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Burgundaviahey sbalneav03:23
sbalneavHello Burgundavia03:24
cafuegoANyone with netboot iMac experience? I have a series of G3 imacs here that are refusing to boot the kernel tftpd is sending them. (Slightly newer G3 imacs are working fine).03:25
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spaceymoi03:29
spaceyi wish i could go to bed03:29
Burgundaviaspacey: why can you not?03:30
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spaceyfinally03:47
spaceywe'll 03:47
spaceywe were busy03:47
spaceywith it work @ night03:48
spaceynot so funny03:48
spaceygood night03:48
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stormbuntuanyone here use ekiga?04:43
Burgundaviastormbuntu: I have04:44
stormbuntudo you still use it?04:44
Burgundavianot currenlty mostly because i have no voip needs04:44
stormbuntugotcha04:44
stormbuntuty for the honesty04:44
sbalneav104:49
cafuegoHrm.04:52
cafuegois there anything special about PPC Edubuntu kernels compared to standard Edubuntu ones?04:52
Burgundaviathey work on PPC?04:52
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cafuego... without doing a new server install on PPC, that is.04:56
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RichEdmorning08:35
Burgundaviamorning RichEd08:35
RichEdhow's things your side ?08:36
Burgundaviaquite nice08:36
RichEdgood :)08:36
Burgundaviaplanning big changes08:37
RichEdlife changes or a within existing work change 08:38
RichEd?08:38
Burgundavialife, moving, work, everything08:39
RichEdwell best wishes then :)08:43
Burgundaviathanks08:43
Burgundaviaone thing that is not going to be changing is my work with ubuntu08:43
highvoltagemorning RichEd and Burgs08:44
Burgundaviahey highvoltage08:44
RichEdhello highvoltage08:44
highvoltageBurgundavia: good to hear :)08:44
highvoltageogra: just a reminder, I don't have the -users list password (and it seems that there is quite a bit of pending requests)08:54
RichEdhighvoltage: got a minute for me to chat about wiki ?08:55
highvoltageyep08:58
highvoltagestrange, Monday mornings are usually hectic, but everything is quite peaceful here this morning08:59
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RichEdhi pygi09:04
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pygihey RichEd 09:04
RichEdhighvoltage: getting a coffee then -> window09:04
highvoltagepygi: my internet connection this weekend was nearly non-existant (disconnected every 30 seconds or so)09:04
highvoltagepygi: so I spent most of the time away from my computer09:05
pygihighvoltage, heh, don't worry ^_^09:05
highvoltagewhen to the launch of a local python users group instead :)09:05
RichEdpygi: are you around at about lunch time ? for a bit of a presentation chat ?09:05
highvoltages/when/went/09:05
pygiRichEd, what do you  consider lunch time?09:05
pygiI have to go at 11:00 am, will be back, 13:00 PM09:06
pygiRichEd, that fine by you?09:08
pygihighvoltage, ^_^09:08
pygiRichEd, all other time I should be free I guess09:08
RichEd13:00pm = let's reserve 15-20 mins around then : ??? UTC 09:12
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pygiRichEd, o, I forgot we go UTC :)09:13
pygiI won't be here from 9:00 AM to 11:00 AM UTC then :)09:13
pygiRichEd, yes, sure...13:00PM UTC is fine09:13
RichEdDone ... I'll find you here at that time pygi ... thanks09:14
Burgundaviahey pygi09:15
pygihey Burgundavia, how are you?09:15
cbx33hi pygi 09:15
pygihi to you also cbx33 :)09:15
Burgundaviapygi: tired, about to go to sleep09:17
pygiBurgundavia, oh, oki, sleep tight then ^_^09:17
Burgundavianeed to finish a few things first09:18
RichEdhi cbx3309:26
RichEdcbx33: willvdl is back in action today ... can we make a time to meet tomorrow for a 3 way education advocacy ?09:26
cbx33sure09:28
cbx33when?09:28
RichEdcbx33: When I see Will online today, we can confirm.  Around 12:00 UTC good for you ?09:41
highvoltageBurgundavia: someone on my local lug says he can see the entire subscribers list for ubuntu-news09:45
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highvoltagecould you check the settings?09:46
cbx33yeh sounds good09:57
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=== Topic for #edubuntu: Order: http://shipit.edubuntu.org || Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu || http://www.edubuntu.org | Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiki | MEETING: every Wednesday see http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingAgenda | Read before installing: http://www.edubuntu.org/gettingstarted | knot 2 is out !
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cbx33yo jono 10:11
jonohey10:11
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jsgotangcohello everyone10:38
highvoltagehello jsgotangco 10:38
jsgotangcohighvoltage: jonathan!10:39
pygijsgotangco, hey ho10:41
highvoltagejsgotangco: did you see that guy that added an external hard disk to his DS?10:41
highvoltagesome people are just crazy :)10:41
jsgotangcohmmm no...i did run DS Linux before10:42
jsgotangcohighvoltage: but then, the novelty wore off, it doesnt have much use, I just use the DS now for playing10:42
highvoltage:)10:45
jsgotangcohighvoltage: its amazing how nintendo thinks out of the box with these devices that just demolishes the competition even if its not as powerful as the others available10:46
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jsgotangcoi actually brought the DS in paris, but i didnt have much time to play at all obviously10:48
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cbx33someone said there was some kind of event in paris 10-18 of oct11:04
cbx33anyone know what iit is?11:04
jsgotangcoreally?11:05
jsgotangcoparis is exepensiveeee11:05
cbx33spry not paris11:05
cbx33london11:05
jsgotangcoits probably koke's blog entry11:06
cbx33yes11:06
jsgotangcoi met him in sydney ;)11:06
cbx33do you know what the event is?11:06
jsgotangcono11:07
jsgotangcocheck his blog11:07
cbx33doesn't say11:07
jsgotangcocbx33: http://www.mysql.com/news-and-events/european-conferences/11:07
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cbx33aaahhhhhh11:08
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jsgotangcodatabases11:08
jsgotangcoRichEd: ping?11:09
RichEdjsgotangco: pong11:09
jsgotangcoRichEd: would you be avaialble later?11:09
jsgotangcojust a short 1 hour chat or less11:10
jsgotangcoif not we could schedule it later11:11
RichEdjsgotangco: I'm trying to get my internal planning stuff out onto the Web / Wiki site to get things into a public space where activities can be tracked & shared.11:11
jsgotangcowednesday perhaps?11:11
jsgotangcobecause ill be out tomorrow, we have a benefit concert to attend11:11
RichEdjsgotangco: can we do a 5-10 mins head up now, and schedule a slot for wednesday11:11
jsgotangcook we should do it now because im heading for the gym in 30 mins11:12
RichEdbang open a window, and give me a short intro ... it may help me slot stuff into planning11:12
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cbx33RichEd: were you aiming for a meeting in an hour?12:59
cbx33can we make it an hour and a half?01:00
RichEdcbx33: Our plan was for tomorrow when willvdl is back. I'm meeting with pygi today.01:01
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cbx33RichEd: oh sorry01:05
RichEdnp01:05
cbx33I thought you meant today01:06
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ograBurgundavia, where is the note from DapperUpgradeNotes gone that points out that we dont encourage commandline upgrading over the update-manager variant ?01:10
ograthis redirect crap of the wiki docs eats important info ... :(01:10
ogra(and is totally annoying )01:10
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jsgotangcowe dont encourage commandline?01:13
jsgotangcothat's definitely a bug considering we dont give users choice if that's the case ;)01:14
ograthe commandline apt-get dist-upgrade is a fallack and for servers01:14
jsgotangcoyeah i was about to say "how about we server junkies"01:14
jsgotangcohehe01:14
ograbut the original document made very clear that the update.manager is the by far preferred method01:15
jsgotangcowell we should eat our own dogfood01:15
ograthe original doc is gone and redirects me (with 2min delay) to a very common upgrade notres doc01:15
ograthe docs got unusable for me since the redirect ...01:15
jsgotangcotsk01:15
jsgotangcothis wiki transition thing is either good or bad01:16
ogramost of them at least 01:16
ograit takes ages to redirect, i cant give out urls i (and everybody else) knew from the start etc01:16
ograits the worst decision the doc team took imho01:16
ogra(and its not only me who is annoyed by it)01:17
jsgotangcoi didnt get myself involved into this transition at all01:17
jsgotangcoi thought it was disastrous01:17
ograit is01:17
jsgotangcoto say the least01:17
ograi could live with delay and with non working urls ... but missing info isnt acceptable01:17
ograespecially for such important things like upgrades01:18
ogragrrr ....01:19
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jsgotangcoogra: do you reckon its worth packaging these small edubuntu-specific documentation and make it on the default install01:21
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ograguys, i wil be travelling on tursday, but there is a knot3 planned ...01:42
ograso i wont be able to do final testing ...01:42
ograbut the ltsp changes will require a lot tests ....01:43
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willvdlhi all01:43
RichEdhi will01:46
RichEdhow was the holiday / trip ?01:46
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rodarvusogra, I can do the testing for you01:47
ograrodarvus, so you let your hair grow again ? 01:47
rodarvus:)01:47
ograrodarvus, welcome back btw01:48
rodarvusthanks :)01:48
ogrado you have thin client HW to test ? 01:48
rodarvusfeels good to be home again01:48
rodarvusno, can't I test with vmware?01:48
ograthe important parts are the ltsp additions this time01:48
jsgotangcosounder what the hell01:48
ogralike sound, local devices, swap ... and the default dhcpd setup01:49
ograif you can do that with vmware its fine 01:49
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RichEdogra: will and I need to build a LTSP test environment (1) for me to learn and (2) for HP both ideally this week01:49
RichEdif you give us a list, we can go through tests01:49
ograRichEd, well, it might still be flaky... all features were rushed in last week ....01:50
jsgotangcoRichEd: installing the LTSP environment isnt even that hard01:50
jsgotangcoit just installs itself01:50
ogranot sure thats a good demo for HP :)01:50
RichEdjsgotangco: yep. but also so I can get to understand the k12lstp mail list problems :)01:50
ograwell, the testing i talk about is: put in an edubuntu CD, do the default install and boot a thin client ...01:50
jsgotangcoyeah01:50
ograits *not*: set up an ltsp environment from the packages01:51
RichEdogra: we can do the test of knot3 in our test setup01:51
RichEd(local) and install LTS for HP01:51
ograwhat i need tested is if all the installer parts work properly01:52
ograi think i can test on friday again (jammcq/sbalneav should have enough equipment to do the testing in detroit)01:52
ograbut Mithrandir insists on releasing on thursday ...01:52
jsgotangcoi can do a test starting tomorrow01:53
jsgotangcobut only for x8601:53
rodarvushmm, also I only have i38601:54
ograRichEd, ok01:54
ograi'll write a knot3 testplan on the wiki 01:54
ograif only my wlan wouldnt die all 2mins01:54
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rodarvusogra, I think vmware has pxe support, but I can't assure you 100% of this01:55
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ograrodarvus, its not about PXE ... rather the device emulations et02:03
ograc02:03
ograGAH !02:04
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ogra*hung02:05
ogragrmbl ...02:05
ogranot my day today02:05
Petarisogra: haha, I've done that before02:07
PetarisThen I kick myself for not following basic procedure and checking basic hardware connections first02:07
ograright02:08
PetarisTheres been a few times where I have replaced a hdd then booted the machine and thought "what the hell" when it wasn't found, started debugging then realised I forgot to plugin the power to the drive02:09
ograif my wlan would at least stay up for more than 3 mins i could actually do some work ...02:09
ograseems i'm cursed today02:09
Petarisjust run a cable to the switch?02:09
Petarisunless you aren't near one02:09
cbx33afternoon all02:16
cbx33hi ogra 02:16
Petarismorning cbx3302:16
cbx33hi Petaris 02:16
ograi have a wireless connection between the two floors ... my AP isnt movable and there is a diagonal heating pipe in the floor of my office that shields it 02:17
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Petarisahh02:17
ogra<ogra> pitti, i assume you didnt get a chance to look over the SCP MIR ?02:17
ogra<pitti> <pitti> sorry, not at Friday; I plan to do another review session today02:17
ogracbx33, ^^^^02:17
cbx33ogra: cool02:22
cbx33lets hope it gets through02:22
cbx33ogra: I have decisions on artwork, but onyl had low ressers with me02:23
cbx33will build pacakge when I get home02:24
ograi'm fine with doing the package ... just send me the hires versions ...02:27
ograbtw, could you make the black fonts/drawings a bit more transparent ? 02:27
ogra(on the wallpaper)02:27
ograit gets a bit distracting with a lot of icons and text on the desktop ...02:28
ograor color it in a slight brown instead of black ...02:28
cbx33most of them are brown02:31
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cbx33but I will surely sort it out02:31
cbx33Hi Seveas, did those images look ok?02:31
Seveascbx33, didn't have time for it yet, sorry02:33
cbx33oh ok np02:35
ogracbx33, as i told you i need to rework edubuntu-artwork first anyway ...02:36
cbx33ogra: ok sure, I'll send them to you tonight 02:37
cbx33tar ok?02:37
ograSeveas, do you have a table or something for the hex values for the progressbar colors ? 02:37
ograsure, tar is fine02:37
jsgotangcohave to leave early02:46
jsgotangcolong day tomorrow02:46
jsgotangcolater guys02:46
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RichEdhi pygi ... give me a few minutes03:04
pygiRichEd, sure03:05
RichEdping pygi: window ->03:13
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bddebianHowdy03:45
pygihowdy bddebian 03:58
bddebianHeya pygi03:58
bddebianI haven't found anyone to help me yet :-(03:59
pygibddebian, don't worry, as I said03:59
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RichEdping pygi04:17
pygipong RichEd 04:18
RichEdback to window ->04:18
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sbalneavMorning all04:38
bddebianHello sbalneav04:39
ograhey sbalneav 04:39
sbalneavogra: Hey dude, there's a bit of a hiccough in lbmount, if someone unplugs their terminal, with mounted drives, you get a lbmount you can't unmount because the ltspfs mount goes away, and lbmount checks to see if there's a ltspfs mount underneath the bind.04:40
sbalneavSo, I'll look at that today, and send you an update04:40
ogragreat04:40
sbalneavI was playing around with the lltsp in edgy all weekend,things are looking nice.04:41
ograi already noticed that, but found it rather minor ... you can solve it by simply un/replugging in the new session04:41
sbalneavright, but we should do "the right thing" anyway :)04:41
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sbalneavAWESOME04:41
ograyeah04:42
sbalneavso, lemme run down the checklist:04:42
sbalneavlocaldevs: check04:42
sbalneavSCP, check04:42
sbalneavnbd swap check04:42
sbalneavDynamic menus: thats in universe, right?04:42
sbalneavAnd I beleive you had the dhcp-autoconfig thing figured out, yes?04:44
ograyes04:46
ograbut untested yet04:46
ograsadly i'll travel on thursday so getting knot3 tested properly on all arches will be difficult :/04:46
sbalneavWell, I've been testing on i38604:48
ografull installs ? 04:48
sbalneavYep!04:48
ograwow04:48
sbalneavI set up an apt-cacher at home04:48
ograok, i think i should have some premature artwork in tonight, so from tomorrow on the CD should be near the final state ...04:48
sbalneavSo doing the install and the upgrade only takes about 1.5 hours.04:48
ogramodulo bugfixes and artwork updates04:49
ograinstall and upgrade ?04:49
sbalneavYep04:49
ograwhat kind of upgrades ? 04:49
ograoh, you used knot 2 i guess :)04:49
sbalneavapt-get upgrade04:49
ograthats ooooold04:49
sbalneavThat's so 2 weeks ago :)04:50
ograyeah04:50
ogramissing all the features04:50
sbalneavis the next knot out?04:50
sbalneavI'll download it tonight.04:50
sbalneavI'm running edgy ubuntu on my Laptop now!04:50
ograno, as i said its planned for thursday04:50
sbalneavsorry, edgy EDUbuntu, I mean.04:50
ograso i'll have to try to get it going fine until wednesday 04:51
ograand can only pry it doesnt break on thursday04:51
ogra*pray04:51
ograelse we'll have a broken knot release 04:51
sbalneav:(04:51
sbalneavThings have looked good so far.04:51
ograyou havent tested all the changes yet04:52
sbalneavApart from the bump we had with xkeyboard-config.04:52
ograspecifically the dhcpd.conf stuff makes me very edgy04:52
sbalneavAs soon as I get a release in my hands, I'll check that.04:52
sbalneavI've got a box with 2 nicks on it that will do just fine for the test04:53
ograyep04:53
ograany recent laptop should be fine for that ...04:53
ograassuming the wlan card works 04:53
ograi do all my testing stuff on my laptops ...04:54
ograbut i wont bring my ibook to the sprint ... since i fear US customs a bit i'll bring only whats necessary04:54
sbalneavWhat laptop are you bringing then?  The amd64?04:55
ograyep04:55
ograit has a working builtin cdwriter and a spare partition for install tests04:55
sbalneavsexy04:55
ograso i can at least test two arches04:55
ograi still have no idea what to do about upgrades ...04:56
ograthe new ltsp-update-kernels code needs an pdated chroot ...04:56
ograand the location of the kernel images changed04:56
ogra(tftp location)04:57
sbalneavOh? Not in /var/lib/tftpboot/<arch> anymore?04:57
Petarishas anyone tried linneighborhood on an amd64 dapper server?04:57
ograit was never in <arch> thats new04:57
Petaristhe package seems to have no binary04:57
ograit was always /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp04:57
sbalneavahh04:57
sbalneavok04:58
ograand now we have /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/<arch>04:58
ograi wonder how evil it is to just have a postinst script in the ltsp-server package that moves it around ...04:58
highvoltageogra: i'm very lagged so apologies if my responses are slow04:58
highvoltageogra: so knot3 release is thursday?04:58
ograyes, sadly04:58
highvoltagewhen does testing neet to take place? before that, or on release of it?04:59
ograboth04:59
ograbut i can test until wed.04:59
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jammcq_laptopg'morning04:59
highvoltagehow should knot3 be tested?04:59
ograi'll fly to jammcqs ltsp hacker barbecue on thusday very early in the morning05:00
highvoltage(before thursday)05:00
Petarismorning jammcq_laptop 05:00
highvoltagewith daily builds or are there some kind of release candidate?05:00
ograhighvoltage, the default install must finish without errors ...05:00
jammcq_laptophighvoltage: hey jonathon05:00
highvoltagehey jammcq_laptop !05:00
ogratheoretically ltsp should be up and running witrh all features after first reboot05:00
ogranote that we default to having two NICs from now on05:00
highvoltageogra: I can test on wednesday morning05:01
sbalneavHey jammcq!05:01
highvoltagei will rsync during tomorrow05:01
jammcq_laptopI heard this is where all the cool people hang out05:01
ograthe out of the box code wont work if you have only one ...05:01
highvoltageI'll e-mail everyone on the edubuntu-testers team and get them to test with release on thursday05:01
ograjammcq_laptop, now it is, yes ;)05:01
Petarisogra: are local apps still on the back burner for now?05:03
ograyes, thats for edgy+105:03
Petarisok05:03
ogralocal apps kind of need local usersneed 05:03
ogra-need05:03
Petarisahh05:04
ograsbalneav, did you see that i merged vagrants workstation code ? we could theoretically build fat clients :)05:04
PetarisWhat about integration with MS ActiveDir, Novell eDirectory?05:05
pygiogra, we  have fat and thin clients...when can we have moderate clients? ^_^05:05
ograpygi, if we went through the extremes ;)05:05
Petarisman, I just want an average sized client05:05
Petaris;p05:05
pygiPetaris, indeed, moderate one :P05:06
ograPetaris, complain to ajmitch ... he had a SoC project for network auth that should solve it but didnt finish05:06
pygiogra, ah, he didnt finish his SoC project? 05:06
sbalneavogra: Yes, saw vagrant talking about it in #ltsp05:07
Petarisogra: I have AD auth working now through sadms05:08
Petarisand Novell has instructions on their cool solutions pages05:08
Petarisbut having it as part of edubuntu would be a big plush05:08
PetarisIf I see ajmitch I will see how his progress is coming05:09
pygiPetaris, that would mean he hasnt finished his SoC project? :-/05:10
Petarispygi: not to my knowlage at least05:11
pygibleh!05:11
Petarissadms worked pretty well05:12
Petarisbut its only for connecting to AD I believe05:12
Petarishttp://sadms.sourceforge.net/05:12
ograwell, its not even in the archive ... :/05:12
Petarisogra: its hard for me to get a hold of him as I am only here when he is asleep05:14
Petarisand vise/versa05:14
ograyep05:14
ograpygi, he said its there but to rought edged for general use ... 05:15
pygiogra, Mithrandir let him pass the final eval?05:16
ograno idea05:16
ograi dont check others SoC projects05:16
pygiah, ok 05:16
Petaristhe only thing that would be nice to add to sadms is the ability to mount AD homedirs (from the users profile)05:16
Petarisit already supports basic homedir mounting via pam_mount05:17
ograwell, as i siad, first a motu would need to package it05:17
ograthere is no package in the archive05:17
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darth_gimpGretting...06:01
darth_gimplooking through the screen shots, I noticed a wallpaper of the Earth looking like it was drawn in chalk on a chalkboard.06:01
darth_gimpWhere can I get a copy of that without installing Edubuntu on top of my Ubuntu?06:02
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darth_gimpLet me see if this makes more sense...  (been up all night) How can I get a copy of an Edubuntu wallpaper without installing the package?06:04
ograwhich one ? 06:04
darth_gimphttp://www.edubuntu.org/images/tour/desktop.png06:04
ograhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/edubuntu/dapper_art/chalkboard.png06:05
darth_gimpogra, you are the bestest!06:06
darth_gimpOgra.. like the seer? The one with the shards and the planets?06:06
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darth_gimpOr did she spell it Augra... (From the Dark Crystal movie)06:09
ograah, that one ...06:09
ograno, ogra is just an abbreviation of my name ;)06:09
ogra(yes i know that sboring ;) )06:09
darth_gimplol.. you were probably thinking I was off my rocker there ... 06:09
darth_gimpXD06:09
darth_gimpWould you say Edubuntu is better for my 11 year-old daughter than Ubuntu?06:10
ograit has more games ;)06:11
darth_gimplol06:12
darth_gimpI installed the tron game in Ubuntu... Armagetron....06:12
ograapart from that, younger artwork and ltsp in teh server variant (default install) its similar in its app selection ... 06:12
darth_gimpbut there is a newer version and I cannot compile it for the life of me... ahh well06:12
darth_gimpI like the Educa06:13
darth_gimpthat's pretty cool06:13
darth_gimpok gotta run again...06:16
ograciao :)06:16
darth_gimpThanks again....06:16
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sbalneavHey rodarvus!06:26
sbalneavHow's it going?06:26
rodarvushi sbalneav!06:26
rodarvusrecovering :)06:26
sbalneavWere you sick?  Hope you're feeling better!06:26
rodarvushope all is well with you06:26
rodarvusno, my father passed away last wednesday :/06:27
sbalneavOh!06:27
sbalneavMy condolences06:27
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rodarvussbalneav: thanks, appreciated06:27
ogracbx33, did you see the main inclusion queue =06:27
ogra?06:27
cbx33no?06:27
cbx332 secs06:28
ograwell, have a look :)06:28
ograand have a party afterwards ;)06:28
cbx33ooooh SNAP !06:29
cbx33wow that's amazing06:29
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cbx33and you're all invited ;)06:29
ograi'm just waiting for edubuntu-meta to be done on LP, then i'll add it to -desktop06:30
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ograthe usplash stuff is done as well in edubuntu-artwork06:31
ograthe throbber front pic has an odd dashed line ...06:31
cbx33oh...you mean the images I sent?06:32
cbx33of the ones you used?06:32
ograthe ones from your webserver06:34
cbx33ah yes06:34
cbx33I have to fix that06:34
ograi used them as interim06:34
cbx33was a pallette issue06:34
cbx33does it look ok?06:34
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cbx33why didn;t it work when I built it?06:35
cbx33ok06:35
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cbx33I have paid work to do06:35
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HorDchicas para tener una conversacin amigable sobre ubuntu dirijirse hacia #ubuntu-lat gracias que tengan buenas tardes las esperamos :D06:40
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sbalneavheh, trolling for girls in #ubuntu-lat06:48
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cbx33hey Yagisan 06:55
YagisanG'day cbx33 06:56
cbx33howz it going?06:56
Yagisancbx33, not to bad. doing some server reconfiguration now that I've finished beating up on GPL violators this week06:57
cbx33heheh06:57
Yagisancbx33, had one project shut down that was stealing my code. Need to get anotherone shutdown06:58
ogramdz, do you want to approve student-control-panel-completion before i set it to implemented ? it just passed the pitti review and is in main ...06:59
Yagisancbx33, but for now, I'me getting ready to setup ubuntu ltsp under vserver :)06:59
Yagisancbx33, yourself ?06:59
cbx33yeh going good07:01
cbx33I'll bbiab07:01
cbx33dinner07:01
mdzogra: who reviewed it?  there's no review indicated in the status whiteboard07:01
sbalneavBe back after lunch07:01
ogramdz, iwj in the end07:01
mdzogra: please get the review recorded in the status whiteboard, since that's the only audit trail we have07:02
ograand you wanted to take a last look07:02
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cbx33bbl07:32
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=== ..[topic/#edubuntu:ogra] : Order: http://shipit.edubuntu.org || Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu || http://www.edubuntu.org | Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiki | MEETING: every Wednesday see http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingAgenda | Read before installing: http://www.edubuntu.org/gettingstarted | https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuKnot3LTSPTesting
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sbalneavBack again07:56
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cbx33ogra is a .zip ok ;)07:56
cbx33I'm on the dozey machine at the mo07:56
cbx33would be easier :|07:56
ografine07:57
cbx33ok07:57
cbx332 secs07:57
ograsbalneav, see topic :)07:57
ograin case you like to test 07:58
sbalneavOK07:59
sbalneavChecking07:59
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Burgworkscp is love!08:00
Burgworknow I wish advogato worked, so I can blog08:00
sbalneavogra: What's a url for downloading the cd?  I'll ssh into home and kick off a wget08:01
cbx33Burgwork thanks08:04
ograsbalneav, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/current/08:04
ografrom tomorrow on ...08:04
sbalneavogra+1008:04
sbalneavOr maybe ogra^208:04
ograheh, lets see. i suspect a lot to be broken ...08:05
sbalneavah, from tomorrow.   Tomorrow who's time08:05
sbalneavutc?08:05
ograthere were many additions the last days08:05
ograthey are usually built ~1am UTC08:05
ograyou can check http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/08:06
sbalneavk, I'll keep a weather eye on it.08:07
ograbetter than a wetter eye :)08:09
sbalneavWell, if it's WET weather, then one supposes I could do both! :)08:10
ograheh08:12
ograas long as the wetness is caused by weather all is fine ... if the iso looks so bad that your eyes get wet thats bad :)08:13
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capt_kirkGood evening all.  My test lab is running well, with about 50 students using it for production work.  One question - is it possible to limit login on a specific thin client to a specific group?  I know how to do that with PAM access limits on a generic network, but I can't find any documentation about doing it with LTSP thin clients.  Use case: One large LTSP server with all of the school's...08:42
capt_kirk...thin clients.  Some of those clients are in the degree program area and should only be accessible to the degree students.  Other clients in a public area, which should be accessible to both degree and secretarial students.  The question is if I can limit logins on the degree-only clients to the degree group?  Thanks.08:42
Petariscapt_kirk: I would not think so, as technically there is only the one computer08:44
capt_kirkPetaris: that's what I've been thinking, but I was hoping that there was a way in lts.conf to limit access on a per-client basis, similar to the way you can set up each client to have a different xserver setting.08:46
Petarishrm08:46
Petarisnot sure08:46
PetarisI suppose that you may be able to hack something up and have it applied to that single ws, but I've not heard of this being done for user managements08:47
sbalneavcapt_kirk: The problem is, all the stuff that goes on with ltsp happens long before the user logs in.08:49
sbalneavThe way handle this would be through user profiles in Sabayon08:49
capt_kirksbalneav: yeah, that08:49
sbalneavI'm assuming some terminals have "special" things on them? Like a printer, or a bigger monitor?08:50
capt_kirksbalneav: yeah, that's what I was afraid of.  it looks that way from both the documenation and watching the boot process.08:50
capt_kirkit's really more of a distribution of resources issue.  There are a lot more secretarial students than degree students.  I'm working at a college in Tanzania for a year.  In America, if we were supposed to have access to a computer, we would speak up.  But the culture here is that students don't challenge other students.  So, even though the degree students pay a lot more and have more work,...08:52
capt_kirk...they won't tell the secretarial students to get off the computers.08:52
capt_kirkWe've tried to institute policies, but if there is not an instructor right there enforcing the policy, it doesn't work.08:53
capt_kirkSo, to make sure that there are a minimum number of computers available for degree students, I'd like to keep secretarial students off of some of them, while allowing them to get to the rest.08:54
capt_kirkI could do it with time restrictions throught PAM, but I was hoping to do it more like PAM's access restrictions allow you to limit access to specific computers.08:54
sbalneavOne could check the LTSP_CLIENT environment variable, and exit out.08:58
sbalneavI'm just guessing here, but...08:58
capt_kirkSince the server knows the IP address of the thin clients, I was hoping it would be possible to apply access restrictions based on that, even though I knew it was not likely at this point.  (My real hope was that it was an undocumented feature and that when I asked on here, someone would say, "Oh yeah, you just edit /opt/ltsp/..."08:58
capt_kirkThanks.  That's at least a place to start.08:58
capt_kirkogra: are you online now?08:59
sbalneavIf you created a file in /etc/X11/Xsession.d, called "30-kickoff-certain-clients" with the contents:08:59
sbalneavif [ ${LTSP_CLIENT} = "192.168.0.x" ] ; then08:59
sbalneav  exit08:59
sbalneavfi09:00
Burgworktimeoutd09:00
sbalneavThat might be a place to begin pokin09:00
sbalneavwhoops, change that to 09:00
Burgworktimeoutd is a daemon for controlling users time09:00
Burgworkit is in the repos09:00
sbalneav[ ${LTSP_CLIENT} == "192..." -a $USER = "onewedon'twant" ] 09:01
capt_kirkthanks!09:01
sbalneavYou'd really want to set up some kind of group id mapping, etc.09:01
sbalneavThey'll log in, but just get immediately booted off,09:01
capt_kirkgreat.  I'll give it a shot this week.09:02
capt_kirksounds pretty straight forward09:02
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capt_kirkburgwork: thanks.  I'll look into timeoutd, too.09:03
LaserJockhi everybody09:03
sbalneavHey LaserJock 09:03
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LaserJockhi sbalneav 09:07
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HedgeMageheya LaserJock 09:08
LaserJockhi HedgeMage!09:08
HedgeMageHow are you?09:09
LaserJockpretty good09:10
LaserJockhow about yourself?09:10
cbx33hey LJ09:10
HedgeMageVery good.09:10
HedgeMageHi cbx33 :)09:10
HedgeMagecbx33: when might be a good time to get ahold of your wifey?  I wanted to ask her some art-related stuff.09:11
pygihey HedgeMage 09:12
HedgeMagehi pygi :)  Going to mak the meeting, I hope?09:12
pygiHedgeMage, probably not :-/09:12
HedgeMageawww :(09:13
cbx33hey HedgeMage09:15
cbx33umm09:15
cbx33she's next to me now09:15
cbx33I can ask her if you want09:15
cbx33pygi: it got into main ;D09:15
pygicbx33, I know, I know :P09:16
pygiCongrats =)09:16
cbx33heheh09:16
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pygiI know :P09:16
cbx33sorry :(09:17
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pygilol, no need to be sorry :)09:17
HedgeMage:)09:17
LaserJockcbx33!09:19
LaserJockSCP in Main?09:19
cbx33yup :D09:20
LaserJock\o/09:20
pygiHedgeMage, so no meeting for me most likely, stuffed :(09:21
pygialso I dont see mhz, perhaps he'll come tho09:21
LaserJockcbx33: edubuntu-menus is still in NEW :/09:21
cbx33brb09:21
HedgeMageWe'll run with whomever we have, I guess.09:22
pygiHedgeMage, thats a problem we'll have none09:23
pygime and you only again :-/09:23
HedgeMageJoyce can't make the meeting due to work, but she's still working on her bit of the handbook09:23
HedgeMagemhz says his stuff will be finished on time09:24
spaceyhi there09:28
spaceyhow is everything going?09:28
spaceyi was away for a while09:28
capt_kirk'night all.  (From Easter Aftrica, time is more of an estimate09:40
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cbx33phew back09:45
cbx33sorrry HedgeMage my machine crashed09:45
cbx33did you reply?09:45
HedgeMagenp yep... Sept 30th is fine09:47
HedgeMagewe're publishing via lulu so we have lots of flexibility09:48
LaserJockwhen is your doc freeze?09:49
cbx33ok cool09:54
HedgeMageLaserJock: It was *supposed* to be some time ago... some things did not go according to plan09:58
HedgeMage(largely my fault... hubby had to have surgery so I disappeared to take care of him)09:58
LaserJockHedgeMage: oh, sorry about your hubby, hopefully he recovers well09:59
HedgeMageLaserJock: Thanks.  He seems to be doing well so far.10:00
LaserJockit seems docs, as a whole, didn't get a very good start this release10:01
LaserJock4 months isn't long enough10:01
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sbalneav#ubuntu-meeting?10:02
HedgeMageLaserJock: I suggested postponing the print version to edgy+1 but it wasn't met with much approval :/10:02
HedgeMagesbalneav: yep10:03
sbalneavin10:03
LaserJockHedgeMage: well, don't focus on print too much, that can be done at any time10:03
HedgeMageLaserJock: Yeah, that's pretty much my attitude -- content is most important.10:03
LaserJockyeah, I'm very excited to see how this turns out10:04
HedgeMageMe, too10:06
HedgeMageAs hubby's doing better, I'm trying to get as much as I can done10:06
pygiHedgeMage, meeting now or something?10:07
HedgeMagecbx33 mentioned Student Control Panel should be included, though, and I've not even seen it yet... any clue who we might drag in to write something on it?10:07
HedgeMagepygi: yep10:07
LaserJockHedgeMage: I'd guess cbx33 ;-)10:09
HedgeMage :)10:09
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nixternalHedgeMage: i should be freeing up a little time, in which I would like to help as well with this project, as the meaning behind it strong for me, since my daughter uses it as well ;)10:55
HedgeMagenixternal: That would be wonderful!10:56
nixternalright now LaserJock has me working like you wouldn't believe..and he won't even buy me lunch ;(10:56
LaserJockheh10:57
HedgeMagerofl10:58
nixternaloh..there is a guy in one of my LUGs who is a LTSP nut, and has planned on doing some editing on the wiki for it..I will also direct him this way if he is interested as well10:58
HedgeMageCool10:58
cbx33brb...11:02
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nixternalthat guy and LTSP, would it be good to put him in contact with sbalneav since he is the LTSP guru i guess you could say ;)11:04
nixternali guess this guy figured out some tips and tricks with LTSP and Ubuntu/Edubuntu11:05
LaserJocksbalneav, ogra, and #ltsp11:06
LaserJockwhich are kind of all equal11:06
nixternalsweet !11:08
pygiLaserJock, hehe :)11:17
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LaserJockoh, hi Amaranth 11:49
LaserJockI was just trying to see if willowng 0.3 was in the archives11:49
LaserJockbut it seems it's not11:49
Amaranthhey11:49
Amaranthi think it got stuck in binary NEW11:49
Amaranthif you point at launchpad you can snag the debs11:49
LaserJockahhh11:49
LaserJockI didn't think we had a binary NEW11:49
AmaranthLaserJock: That silly KDE config frontend got me lost in limbo. ;)11:50
LaserJocksorry11:50
LaserJockKDE user's around the world will love you though ;-)11:50
AmaranthI'll probably be able to maintain it on my own now that I have the ui files and such.11:50
AmaranthI know enough to modify what's there.11:50
LaserJockwell, don't hesitate to ask if you need help11:51
LaserJockand I think perhaps Robert Day was also interested in a web interface11:51
LaserJockalthough I don't really know his level of expertise11:52
cbx33OMW - man was there a lot of dirt on my CPU heatsink12:01
Amaranthalright well i found a new time killer - GridWars - and it only works on windows so i'll brb12:02
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