=== Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #edubuntu [02:48] Howdy === LaserJock is now known as Laser_away [03:23] hey sbalneav [03:24] Hello Burgundavia [03:25] ANyone with netboot iMac experience? I have a series of G3 imacs here that are refusing to boot the kernel tftpd is sending them. (Slightly newer G3 imacs are working fine). === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #edubuntu === cafuego trips spacey on the way in. [03:29] moi [03:29] i wish i could go to bed [03:30] spacey: why can you not? === Laser_away is now known as LaserJock [03:47] finally [03:47] we'll [03:47] we were busy [03:48] with it work @ night [03:48] not so funny [03:48] good night === LaserJock is now known as Laser_away === stormbuntu [n=stormcha@c-68-80-182-194.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu [04:43] anyone here use ekiga? [04:44] stormbuntu: I have [04:44] do you still use it? [04:44] not currenlty mostly because i have no voip needs [04:44] gotcha [04:44] ty for the honesty [04:49] 1 [04:52] Hrm. [04:52] is there anything special about PPC Edubuntu kernels compared to standard Edubuntu ones? [04:52] they work on PPC? === cafuego just regenerated an initrd for netbooting, but it fails to boot (on /tmp/net-eth0.conf) === cafuego sorted his problem with failing to boot at all (known issue, fixed in 2.6.15-26) but I need a decent initrd, I think. [04:56] ... without doing a new server install on PPC, that is. === caravena [n=caravena@127-55-223-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@202.41.228.162] has joined #edubuntu === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@202.41.228.162] has joined #edubuntu === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@202.41.228.162] has joined #edubuntu === rjian[O-U-T] [n=rjian_se@203.87.182.102] has joined #edubuntu === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@202.41.228.162] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@201.230.103.213] has joined #edubuntu [08:35] morning [08:35] morning RichEd [08:36] how's things your side ? [08:36] quite nice [08:36] good :) [08:37] planning big changes [08:38] life changes or a within existing work change [08:38] ? [08:39] life, moving, work, everything [08:43] well best wishes then :) [08:43] thanks [08:43] one thing that is not going to be changing is my work with ubuntu [08:44] morning RichEd and Burgs [08:44] hey highvoltage [08:44] hello highvoltage [08:44] Burgundavia: good to hear :) [08:54] ogra: just a reminder, I don't have the -users list password (and it seems that there is quite a bit of pending requests) [08:55] highvoltage: got a minute for me to chat about wiki ? [08:58] yep [08:59] strange, Monday mornings are usually hectic, but everything is quite peaceful here this morning === pygi [n=pygi@89-172-199-134.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu [09:04] hi pygi === highvoltage hides under table from pygi [09:04] hey RichEd [09:04] highvoltage: getting a coffee then -> window [09:04] pygi: my internet connection this weekend was nearly non-existant (disconnected every 30 seconds or so) [09:05] pygi: so I spent most of the time away from my computer [09:05] highvoltage, heh, don't worry ^_^ [09:05] when to the launch of a local python users group instead :) [09:05] pygi: are you around at about lunch time ? for a bit of a presentation chat ? [09:05] s/when/went/ [09:05] RichEd, what do you consider lunch time? [09:06] I have to go at 11:00 am, will be back, 13:00 PM [09:08] RichEd, that fine by you? [09:08] highvoltage, ^_^ [09:08] RichEd, all other time I should be free I guess [09:12] 13:00pm = let's reserve 15-20 mins around then : ??? UTC === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@84-45-197-14.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #edubuntu [09:13] RichEd, o, I forgot we go UTC :) [09:13] I won't be here from 9:00 AM to 11:00 AM UTC then :) [09:13] RichEd, yes, sure...13:00PM UTC is fine [09:14] Done ... I'll find you here at that time pygi ... thanks [09:15] hey pygi [09:15] hey Burgundavia, how are you? [09:15] hi pygi [09:15] hi to you also cbx33 :) [09:17] pygi: tired, about to go to sleep [09:17] Burgundavia, oh, oki, sleep tight then ^_^ [09:18] need to finish a few things first [09:26] hi cbx33 [09:26] cbx33: willvdl is back in action today ... can we make a time to meet tomorrow for a 3 way education advocacy ? [09:28] sure [09:28] when? [09:41] cbx33: When I see Will online today, we can confirm. Around 12:00 UTC good for you ? [09:45] Burgundavia: someone on my local lug says he can see the entire subscribers list for ubuntu-news === highvoltage hasn't checked yet [09:46] could you check the settings? [09:57] yeh sounds good === Starting logfile irclogs/edubuntu.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #edubuntu === Topic for #edubuntu: Order: http://shipit.edubuntu.org || Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu || http://www.edubuntu.org | Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiki | MEETING: every Wednesday see http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingAgenda | Read before installing: http://www.edubuntu.org/gettingstarted | knot 2 is out ! === Topic (#edubuntu): set by ogra at Fri Sep 1 17:49:00 2006 === jinty [n=jinty@132.Red-83-55-196.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === jono [n=jono@88-107-5-110.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #edubuntu [10:11] yo jono [10:11] hey === pygi [n=pygi@89-172-199-134.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@201.230.103.213] has joined #edubuntu === rjian[O-U-T] [n=rjian_se@203.87.182.102] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [10:38] hello everyone [10:38] hello jsgotangco [10:39] highvoltage: jonathan! [10:41] jsgotangco, hey ho [10:41] jsgotangco: did you see that guy that added an external hard disk to his DS? [10:41] some people are just crazy :) [10:42] hmmm no...i did run DS Linux before [10:42] highvoltage: but then, the novelty wore off, it doesnt have much use, I just use the DS now for playing [10:45] :) [10:46] highvoltage: its amazing how nintendo thinks out of the box with these devices that just demolishes the competition even if its not as powerful as the others available === highvoltage would rather buy nintendo any day rather than MS or Sony [10:48] i actually brought the DS in paris, but i didnt have much time to play at all obviously === rjian[O-U-T] [n=rjian_se@203.87.182.102] has joined #edubuntu [11:04] someone said there was some kind of event in paris 10-18 of oct [11:04] anyone know what iit is? [11:05] really? [11:05] paris is exepensiveeee [11:05] spry not paris [11:05] london [11:06] its probably koke's blog entry [11:06] yes [11:06] i met him in sydney ;) [11:06] do you know what the event is? [11:07] no [11:07] check his blog [11:07] doesn't say [11:07] cbx33: http://www.mysql.com/news-and-events/european-conferences/ === rjian541 [n=rjian_se@203.87.182.102] has joined #edubuntu [11:08] aaahhhhhh === rjian541 is now known as rjian [11:08] databases [11:09] RichEd: ping? [11:09] jsgotangco: pong [11:09] RichEd: would you be avaialble later? [11:10] just a short 1 hour chat or less [11:11] if not we could schedule it later [11:11] jsgotangco: I'm trying to get my internal planning stuff out onto the Web / Wiki site to get things into a public space where activities can be tracked & shared. [11:11] wednesday perhaps? [11:11] because ill be out tomorrow, we have a benefit concert to attend [11:11] jsgotangco: can we do a 5-10 mins head up now, and schedule a slot for wednesday [11:12] ok we should do it now because im heading for the gym in 30 mins [11:12] bang open a window, and give me a short intro ... it may help me slot stuff into planning === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #edubuntu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [12:59] RichEd: were you aiming for a meeting in an hour? [01:00] can we make it an hour and a half? [01:01] cbx33: Our plan was for tomorrow when willvdl is back. I'm meeting with pygi today. === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #edubuntu [01:05] RichEd: oh sorry [01:05] np [01:06] I thought you meant today === jono [n=jono@88-107-5-110.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #edubuntu [01:10] Burgundavia, where is the note from DapperUpgradeNotes gone that points out that we dont encourage commandline upgrading over the update-manager variant ? [01:10] this redirect crap of the wiki docs eats important info ... :( [01:10] (and is totally annoying ) === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu [01:13] we dont encourage commandline? [01:14] that's definitely a bug considering we dont give users choice if that's the case ;) [01:14] the commandline apt-get dist-upgrade is a fallack and for servers [01:14] yeah i was about to say "how about we server junkies" [01:14] hehe [01:15] but the original document made very clear that the update.manager is the by far preferred method [01:15] well we should eat our own dogfood [01:15] the original doc is gone and redirects me (with 2min delay) to a very common upgrade notres doc [01:15] the docs got unusable for me since the redirect ... [01:15] tsk [01:16] this wiki transition thing is either good or bad [01:16] most of them at least [01:16] it takes ages to redirect, i cant give out urls i (and everybody else) knew from the start etc [01:16] its the worst decision the doc team took imho [01:17] (and its not only me who is annoyed by it) [01:17] i didnt get myself involved into this transition at all [01:17] i thought it was disastrous [01:17] it is [01:17] to say the least [01:17] i could live with delay and with non working urls ... but missing info isnt acceptable [01:18] especially for such important things like upgrades [01:19] grrr .... === ogra curses his flaky wlan [01:21] ogra: do you reckon its worth packaging these small edubuntu-specific documentation and make it on the default install === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@59.144.106.161] has joined #edubuntu [01:42] guys, i wil be travelling on tursday, but there is a knot3 planned ... [01:42] so i wont be able to do final testing ... [01:43] but the ltsp changes will require a lot tests .... === willvdl [n=willvdl@vc-196-207-41-251.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === ogra is looking for volunteers as you might have guessed [01:43] hi all [01:46] hi will [01:46] how was the holiday / trip ? === rodarvus transmutates into a small bush [01:47] ogra, I can do the testing for you [01:47] rodarvus, so you let your hair grow again ? [01:47] :) [01:48] rodarvus, welcome back btw [01:48] thanks :) [01:48] do you have thin client HW to test ? [01:48] feels good to be home again [01:48] no, can't I test with vmware? [01:48] the important parts are the ltsp additions this time [01:48] sounder what the hell [01:49] like sound, local devices, swap ... and the default dhcpd setup [01:49] if you can do that with vmware its fine === ogra has no clue about vmware [01:49] ogra: will and I need to build a LTSP test environment (1) for me to learn and (2) for HP both ideally this week [01:49] if you give us a list, we can go through tests [01:50] RichEd, well, it might still be flaky... all features were rushed in last week .... [01:50] RichEd: installing the LTSP environment isnt even that hard [01:50] it just installs itself [01:50] not sure thats a good demo for HP :) [01:50] jsgotangco: yep. but also so I can get to understand the k12lstp mail list problems :) [01:50] well, the testing i talk about is: put in an edubuntu CD, do the default install and boot a thin client ... [01:50] yeah [01:51] its *not*: set up an ltsp environment from the packages [01:51] ogra: we can do the test of knot3 in our test setup [01:51] (local) and install LTS for HP [01:52] what i need tested is if all the installer parts work properly [01:52] i think i can test on friday again (jammcq/sbalneav should have enough equipment to do the testing in detroit) [01:52] but Mithrandir insists on releasing on thursday ... [01:53] i can do a test starting tomorrow [01:53] but only for x86 [01:54] hmm, also I only have i386 [01:54] RichEd, ok [01:54] i'll write a knot3 testplan on the wiki [01:54] if only my wlan wouldnt die all 2mins === jsgotangco wonders why most of the people he know always seem to have crumbling equipment [01:55] ogra, I think vmware has pxe support, but I can't assure you 100% of this === Petaris [n=Petaris@216.56.37.162] has joined #edubuntu === pygi [n=pygi@89-172-206-17.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === pygi [n=pygi@89-172-206-17.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu [02:03] rodarvus, its not about PXE ... rather the device emulations et [02:03] c [02:04] GAH ! === ogra was hunting a bug where the thin client hug itself for the whole weekend and just found that the little clip of the network cable is broken, so it doesnt stick deep enough in the socket [02:05] *hung [02:05] grmbl ... [02:05] not my day today [02:07] ogra: haha, I've done that before [02:07] Then I kick myself for not following basic procedure and checking basic hardware connections first [02:08] right [02:09] Theres been a few times where I have replaced a hdd then booted the machine and thought "what the hell" when it wasn't found, started debugging then realised I forgot to plugin the power to the drive [02:09] if my wlan would at least stay up for more than 3 mins i could actually do some work ... [02:09] seems i'm cursed today [02:09] just run a cable to the switch? [02:09] unless you aren't near one [02:16] afternoon all [02:16] hi ogra [02:16] morning cbx33 [02:16] hi Petaris [02:17] i have a wireless connection between the two floors ... my AP isnt movable and there is a diagonal heating pipe in the floor of my office that shields it === jsgotangco_ [n=jsg123@125.212.8.216] has joined #edubuntu [02:17] ahh [02:17] pitti, i assume you didnt get a chance to look over the SCP MIR ? [02:17] sorry, not at Friday; I plan to do another review session today [02:17] cbx33, ^^^^ [02:22] ogra: cool [02:22] lets hope it gets through [02:23] ogra: I have decisions on artwork, but onyl had low ressers with me [02:24] will build pacakge when I get home [02:27] i'm fine with doing the package ... just send me the hires versions ... [02:27] btw, could you make the black fonts/drawings a bit more transparent ? [02:27] (on the wallpaper) [02:28] it gets a bit distracting with a lot of icons and text on the desktop ... [02:28] or color it in a slight brown instead of black ... [02:31] most of them are brown === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu [02:31] but I will surely sort it out [02:31] Hi Seveas, did those images look ok? [02:33] cbx33, didn't have time for it yet, sorry [02:35] oh ok np [02:36] cbx33, as i told you i need to rework edubuntu-artwork first anyway ... [02:37] ogra: ok sure, I'll send them to you tonight [02:37] tar ok? [02:37] Seveas, do you have a table or something for the hex values for the progressbar colors ? [02:37] sure, tar is fine [02:46] have to leave early [02:46] long day tomorrow [02:46] later guys === pygi_ [n=pygi@89-172-194-21.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === willvd1 [n=willvdl@vc-196-207-41-251.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === pygi_ is now known as pygi [03:04] hi pygi ... give me a few minutes [03:05] RichEd, sure [03:13] ping pygi: window -> === bddebian [n=bdefrees@mail.ottens.com] has joined #edubuntu [03:45] Howdy [03:58] howdy bddebian [03:58] Heya pygi [03:59] I haven't found anyone to help me yet :-( [03:59] bddebian, don't worry, as I said === RichEd-1 [n=richard@dsl-165-222-126.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [04:17] ping pygi [04:18] pong RichEd [04:18] back to window -> === jinty [n=jinty@132.Red-83-55-196.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@mail.legalaid.mb.ca] has joined #edubuntu [04:38] Morning all [04:39] Hello sbalneav [04:39] hey sbalneav [04:40] ogra: Hey dude, there's a bit of a hiccough in lbmount, if someone unplugs their terminal, with mounted drives, you get a lbmount you can't unmount because the ltspfs mount goes away, and lbmount checks to see if there's a ltspfs mount underneath the bind. [04:40] So, I'll look at that today, and send you an update [04:40] great [04:41] I was playing around with the lltsp in edgy all weekend,things are looking nice. [04:41] i already noticed that, but found it rather minor ... you can solve it by simply un/replugging in the new session [04:41] right, but we should do "the right thing" anyway :) === ogra just added student-control-panel to the edubuntu desktop seed :)))))) [04:41] AWESOME [04:42] yeah [04:42] so, lemme run down the checklist: [04:42] localdevs: check [04:42] SCP, check [04:42] nbd swap check [04:42] Dynamic menus: thats in universe, right? [04:44] And I beleive you had the dhcp-autoconfig thing figured out, yes? [04:46] yes [04:46] but untested yet [04:46] sadly i'll travel on thursday so getting knot3 tested properly on all arches will be difficult :/ [04:48] Well, I've been testing on i386 [04:48] full installs ? [04:48] Yep! [04:48] wow [04:48] I set up an apt-cacher at home [04:48] ok, i think i should have some premature artwork in tonight, so from tomorrow on the CD should be near the final state ... [04:48] So doing the install and the upgrade only takes about 1.5 hours. [04:49] modulo bugfixes and artwork updates [04:49] install and upgrade ? [04:49] Yep [04:49] what kind of upgrades ? [04:49] oh, you used knot 2 i guess :) [04:49] apt-get upgrade [04:49] thats ooooold [04:50] That's so 2 weeks ago :) [04:50] yeah [04:50] missing all the features [04:50] is the next knot out? [04:50] I'll download it tonight. [04:50] I'm running edgy ubuntu on my Laptop now! [04:50] no, as i said its planned for thursday [04:50] sorry, edgy EDUbuntu, I mean. [04:51] so i'll have to try to get it going fine until wednesday [04:51] and can only pry it doesnt break on thursday [04:51] *pray [04:51] else we'll have a broken knot release [04:51] :( [04:51] Things have looked good so far. [04:52] you havent tested all the changes yet [04:52] Apart from the bump we had with xkeyboard-config. [04:52] specifically the dhcpd.conf stuff makes me very edgy [04:52] As soon as I get a release in my hands, I'll check that. [04:53] I've got a box with 2 nicks on it that will do just fine for the test [04:53] yep [04:53] any recent laptop should be fine for that ... [04:53] assuming the wlan card works [04:54] i do all my testing stuff on my laptops ... [04:54] but i wont bring my ibook to the sprint ... since i fear US customs a bit i'll bring only whats necessary [04:55] What laptop are you bringing then? The amd64? [04:55] yep [04:55] it has a working builtin cdwriter and a spare partition for install tests [04:55] sexy [04:55] so i can at least test two arches [04:56] i still have no idea what to do about upgrades ... [04:56] the new ltsp-update-kernels code needs an pdated chroot ... [04:56] and the location of the kernel images changed [04:57] (tftp location) [04:57] Oh? Not in /var/lib/tftpboot/ anymore? [04:57] has anyone tried linneighborhood on an amd64 dapper server? [04:57] it was never in thats new [04:57] the package seems to have no binary [04:57] it was always /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp [04:57] ahh [04:58] ok [04:58] and now we have /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/ [04:58] i wonder how evil it is to just have a postinst script in the ltsp-server package that moves it around ... [04:58] ogra: i'm very lagged so apologies if my responses are slow [04:58] ogra: so knot3 release is thursday? [04:58] yes, sadly [04:59] when does testing neet to take place? before that, or on release of it? [04:59] both [04:59] but i can test until wed. === jammcq_laptop [n=jam@70.91.230.209] has joined #edubuntu [04:59] g'morning [04:59] how should knot3 be tested? [05:00] i'll fly to jammcqs ltsp hacker barbecue on thusday very early in the morning [05:00] (before thursday) [05:00] morning jammcq_laptop [05:00] with daily builds or are there some kind of release candidate? [05:00] highvoltage, the default install must finish without errors ... [05:00] highvoltage: hey jonathon [05:00] hey jammcq_laptop ! [05:00] theoretically ltsp should be up and running witrh all features after first reboot [05:00] note that we default to having two NICs from now on [05:01] ogra: I can test on wednesday morning [05:01] Hey jammcq! [05:01] i will rsync during tomorrow [05:01] I heard this is where all the cool people hang out [05:01] the out of the box code wont work if you have only one ... [05:01] I'll e-mail everyone on the edubuntu-testers team and get them to test with release on thursday [05:01] jammcq_laptop, now it is, yes ;) [05:03] ogra: are local apps still on the back burner for now? [05:03] yes, thats for edgy+1 [05:03] ok [05:03] local apps kind of need local usersneed [05:03] -need [05:04] ahh [05:04] sbalneav, did you see that i merged vagrants workstation code ? we could theoretically build fat clients :) [05:05] What about integration with MS ActiveDir, Novell eDirectory? [05:05] ogra, we have fat and thin clients...when can we have moderate clients? ^_^ [05:05] pygi, if we went through the extremes ;) [05:05] man, I just want an average sized client [05:05] ;p [05:06] Petaris, indeed, moderate one :P [05:06] Petaris, complain to ajmitch ... he had a SoC project for network auth that should solve it but didnt finish [05:06] ogra, ah, he didnt finish his SoC project? [05:07] ogra: Yes, saw vagrant talking about it in #ltsp [05:08] ogra: I have AD auth working now through sadms [05:08] and Novell has instructions on their cool solutions pages [05:08] but having it as part of edubuntu would be a big plush [05:09] If I see ajmitch I will see how his progress is coming [05:10] Petaris, that would mean he hasnt finished his SoC project? :-/ [05:11] pygi: not to my knowlage at least [05:11] bleh! [05:12] sadms worked pretty well [05:12] but its only for connecting to AD I believe [05:12] http://sadms.sourceforge.net/ [05:12] well, its not even in the archive ... :/ [05:14] ogra: its hard for me to get a hold of him as I am only here when he is asleep [05:14] and vise/versa [05:14] yep [05:15] pygi, he said its there but to rought edged for general use ... [05:16] ogra, Mithrandir let him pass the final eval? [05:16] no idea [05:16] i dont check others SoC projects [05:16] ah, ok [05:16] the only thing that would be nice to add to sadms is the ability to mount AD homedirs (from the users profile) [05:17] it already supports basic homedir mounting via pam_mount [05:17] well, as i siad, first a motu would need to package it [05:17] there is no package in the archive === pygi hopes he'll finally be able to make someone sign his keys at conf. in Hungary, so he can become the MOTU and help a bit more === darth_gimp [n=lds_jedi@S010600111a3f762b.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu [06:01] Gretting... [06:01] looking through the screen shots, I noticed a wallpaper of the Earth looking like it was drawn in chalk on a chalkboard. [06:02] Where can I get a copy of that without installing Edubuntu on top of my Ubuntu? === ogra_ [n=ogra@p548ACE68.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [06:04] Let me see if this makes more sense... (been up all night) How can I get a copy of an Edubuntu wallpaper without installing the package? [06:04] which one ? [06:04] http://www.edubuntu.org/images/tour/desktop.png [06:05] http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/edubuntu/dapper_art/chalkboard.png [06:06] ogra, you are the bestest! [06:06] Ogra.. like the seer? The one with the shards and the planets? === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [06:09]