[02:48] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:23] <Burgundavia> hey sbalneav
[03:24] <sbalneav> Hello Burgundavia
[03:25] <cafuego> ANyone with netboot iMac experience? I have a series of G3 imacs here that are refusing to boot the kernel tftpd is sending them. (Slightly newer G3 imacs are working fine).
[03:29] <spacey> moi
[03:29] <spacey> i wish i could go to bed
[03:30] <Burgundavia> spacey: why can you not?
[03:47] <spacey> finally
[03:47] <spacey> we'll 
[03:47] <spacey> we were busy
[03:48] <spacey> with it work @ night
[03:48] <spacey> not so funny
[03:48] <spacey> good night
[04:43] <stormbuntu> anyone here use ekiga?
[04:44] <Burgundavia> stormbuntu: I have
[04:44] <stormbuntu> do you still use it?
[04:44] <Burgundavia> not currenlty mostly because i have no voip needs
[04:44] <stormbuntu> gotcha
[04:44] <stormbuntu> ty for the honesty
[04:49] <sbalneav> 1
[04:52] <cafuego> Hrm.
[04:52] <cafuego> is there anything special about PPC Edubuntu kernels compared to standard Edubuntu ones?
[04:52] <Burgundavia> they work on PPC?
[04:56] <cafuego> ... without doing a new server install on PPC, that is.
[08:35] <RichEd> morning
[08:35] <Burgundavia> morning RichEd
[08:36] <RichEd> how's things your side ?
[08:36] <Burgundavia> quite nice
[08:36] <RichEd> good :)
[08:37] <Burgundavia> planning big changes
[08:38] <RichEd> life changes or a within existing work change 
[08:38] <RichEd> ?
[08:39] <Burgundavia> life, moving, work, everything
[08:43] <RichEd> well best wishes then :)
[08:43] <Burgundavia> thanks
[08:43] <Burgundavia> one thing that is not going to be changing is my work with ubuntu
[08:44] <highvoltage> morning RichEd and Burgs
[08:44] <Burgundavia> hey highvoltage
[08:44] <RichEd> hello highvoltage
[08:44] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: good to hear :)
[08:54] <highvoltage> ogra: just a reminder, I don't have the -users list password (and it seems that there is quite a bit of pending requests)
[08:55] <RichEd> highvoltage: got a minute for me to chat about wiki ?
[08:58] <highvoltage> yep
[08:59] <highvoltage> strange, Monday mornings are usually hectic, but everything is quite peaceful here this morning
[09:04] <RichEd> hi pygi
[09:04] <pygi> hey RichEd 
[09:04] <RichEd> highvoltage: getting a coffee then -> window
[09:04] <highvoltage> pygi: my internet connection this weekend was nearly non-existant (disconnected every 30 seconds or so)
[09:05] <highvoltage> pygi: so I spent most of the time away from my computer
[09:05] <pygi> highvoltage, heh, don't worry ^_^
[09:05] <highvoltage> when to the launch of a local python users group instead :)
[09:05] <RichEd> pygi: are you around at about lunch time ? for a bit of a presentation chat ?
[09:05] <highvoltage> s/when/went/
[09:05] <pygi> RichEd, what do you  consider lunch time?
[09:06] <pygi> I have to go at 11:00 am, will be back, 13:00 PM
[09:08] <pygi> RichEd, that fine by you?
[09:08] <pygi> highvoltage, ^_^
[09:08] <pygi> RichEd, all other time I should be free I guess
[09:12] <RichEd> 13:00pm = let's reserve 15-20 mins around then : ??? UTC 
[09:13] <pygi> RichEd, o, I forgot we go UTC :)
[09:13] <pygi> I won't be here from 9:00 AM to 11:00 AM UTC then :)
[09:13] <pygi> RichEd, yes, sure...13:00PM UTC is fine
[09:14] <RichEd> Done ... I'll find you here at that time pygi ... thanks
[09:15] <Burgundavia> hey pygi
[09:15] <pygi> hey Burgundavia, how are you?
[09:15] <cbx33> hi pygi 
[09:15] <pygi> hi to you also cbx33 :)
[09:17] <Burgundavia> pygi: tired, about to go to sleep
[09:17] <pygi> Burgundavia, oh, oki, sleep tight then ^_^
[09:18] <Burgundavia> need to finish a few things first
[09:26] <RichEd> hi cbx33
[09:26] <RichEd> cbx33: willvdl is back in action today ... can we make a time to meet tomorrow for a 3 way education advocacy ?
[09:28] <cbx33> sure
[09:28] <cbx33> when?
[09:41] <RichEd> cbx33: When I see Will online today, we can confirm.  Around 12:00 UTC good for you ?
[09:45] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: someone on my local lug says he can see the entire subscribers list for ubuntu-news
[09:46] <highvoltage> could you check the settings?
[09:57] <cbx33> yeh sounds good
[10:11] <cbx33> yo jono 
[10:11] <jono> hey
[10:38] <jsgotangco> hello everyone
[10:38] <highvoltage> hello jsgotangco 
[10:39] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: jonathan!
[10:41] <pygi> jsgotangco, hey ho
[10:41] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: did you see that guy that added an external hard disk to his DS?
[10:41] <highvoltage> some people are just crazy :)
[10:42] <jsgotangco> hmmm no...i did run DS Linux before
[10:42] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: but then, the novelty wore off, it doesnt have much use, I just use the DS now for playing
[10:45] <highvoltage> :)
[10:46] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: its amazing how nintendo thinks out of the box with these devices that just demolishes the competition even if its not as powerful as the others available
[10:48] <jsgotangco> i actually brought the DS in paris, but i didnt have much time to play at all obviously
[11:04] <cbx33> someone said there was some kind of event in paris 10-18 of oct
[11:04] <cbx33> anyone know what iit is?
[11:05] <jsgotangco> really?
[11:05] <jsgotangco> paris is exepensiveeee
[11:05] <cbx33> spry not paris
[11:05] <cbx33> london
[11:06] <jsgotangco> its probably koke's blog entry
[11:06] <cbx33> yes
[11:06] <jsgotangco> i met him in sydney ;)
[11:06] <cbx33> do you know what the event is?
[11:07] <jsgotangco> no
[11:07] <jsgotangco> check his blog
[11:07] <cbx33> doesn't say
[11:07] <jsgotangco> cbx33: http://www.mysql.com/news-and-events/european-conferences/
[11:08] <cbx33> aaahhhhhh
[11:08] <jsgotangco> databases
[11:09] <jsgotangco> RichEd: ping?
[11:09] <RichEd> jsgotangco: pong
[11:09] <jsgotangco> RichEd: would you be avaialble later?
[11:10] <jsgotangco> just a short 1 hour chat or less
[11:11] <jsgotangco> if not we could schedule it later
[11:11] <RichEd> jsgotangco: I'm trying to get my internal planning stuff out onto the Web / Wiki site to get things into a public space where activities can be tracked & shared.
[11:11] <jsgotangco> wednesday perhaps?
[11:11] <jsgotangco> because ill be out tomorrow, we have a benefit concert to attend
[11:11] <RichEd> jsgotangco: can we do a 5-10 mins head up now, and schedule a slot for wednesday
[11:12] <jsgotangco> ok we should do it now because im heading for the gym in 30 mins
[11:12] <RichEd> bang open a window, and give me a short intro ... it may help me slot stuff into planning
[12:59] <cbx33> RichEd: were you aiming for a meeting in an hour?
[01:00] <cbx33> can we make it an hour and a half?
[01:01] <RichEd> cbx33: Our plan was for tomorrow when willvdl is back. I'm meeting with pygi today.
[01:05] <cbx33> RichEd: oh sorry
[01:05] <RichEd> np
[01:06] <cbx33> I thought you meant today
[01:10] <ogra> Burgundavia, where is the note from DapperUpgradeNotes gone that points out that we dont encourage commandline upgrading over the update-manager variant ?
[01:10] <ogra> this redirect crap of the wiki docs eats important info ... :(
[01:10] <ogra> (and is totally annoying )
[01:13] <jsgotangco> we dont encourage commandline?
[01:14] <jsgotangco> that's definitely a bug considering we dont give users choice if that's the case ;)
[01:14] <ogra> the commandline apt-get dist-upgrade is a fallack and for servers
[01:14] <jsgotangco> yeah i was about to say "how about we server junkies"
[01:14] <jsgotangco> hehe
[01:15] <ogra> but the original document made very clear that the update.manager is the by far preferred method
[01:15] <jsgotangco> well we should eat our own dogfood
[01:15] <ogra> the original doc is gone and redirects me (with 2min delay) to a very common upgrade notres doc
[01:15] <ogra> the docs got unusable for me since the redirect ...
[01:15] <jsgotangco> tsk
[01:16] <jsgotangco> this wiki transition thing is either good or bad
[01:16] <ogra> most of them at least 
[01:16] <ogra> it takes ages to redirect, i cant give out urls i (and everybody else) knew from the start etc
[01:16] <ogra> its the worst decision the doc team took imho
[01:17] <ogra> (and its not only me who is annoyed by it)
[01:17] <jsgotangco> i didnt get myself involved into this transition at all
[01:17] <jsgotangco> i thought it was disastrous
[01:17] <ogra> it is
[01:17] <jsgotangco> to say the least
[01:17] <ogra> i could live with delay and with non working urls ... but missing info isnt acceptable
[01:18] <ogra> especially for such important things like upgrades
[01:19] <ogra> grrr ....
[01:21] <jsgotangco> ogra: do you reckon its worth packaging these small edubuntu-specific documentation and make it on the default install
[01:42] <ogra> guys, i wil be travelling on tursday, but there is a knot3 planned ...
[01:42] <ogra> so i wont be able to do final testing ...
[01:43] <ogra> but the ltsp changes will require a lot tests ....
[01:43] <willvdl> hi all
[01:46] <RichEd> hi will
[01:46] <RichEd> how was the holiday / trip ?
[01:47] <rodarvus> ogra, I can do the testing for you
[01:47] <ogra> rodarvus, so you let your hair grow again ? 
[01:47] <rodarvus> :)
[01:48] <ogra> rodarvus, welcome back btw
[01:48] <rodarvus> thanks :)
[01:48] <ogra> do you have thin client HW to test ? 
[01:48] <rodarvus> feels good to be home again
[01:48] <rodarvus> no, can't I test with vmware?
[01:48] <ogra> the important parts are the ltsp additions this time
[01:48] <jsgotangco> sounder what the hell
[01:49] <ogra> like sound, local devices, swap ... and the default dhcpd setup
[01:49] <ogra> if you can do that with vmware its fine 
[01:49] <RichEd> ogra: will and I need to build a LTSP test environment (1) for me to learn and (2) for HP both ideally this week
[01:49] <RichEd> if you give us a list, we can go through tests
[01:50] <ogra> RichEd, well, it might still be flaky... all features were rushed in last week ....
[01:50] <jsgotangco> RichEd: installing the LTSP environment isnt even that hard
[01:50] <jsgotangco> it just installs itself
[01:50] <ogra> not sure thats a good demo for HP :)
[01:50] <RichEd> jsgotangco: yep. but also so I can get to understand the k12lstp mail list problems :)
[01:50] <ogra> well, the testing i talk about is: put in an edubuntu CD, do the default install and boot a thin client ...
[01:50] <jsgotangco> yeah
[01:51] <ogra> its *not*: set up an ltsp environment from the packages
[01:51] <RichEd> ogra: we can do the test of knot3 in our test setup
[01:51] <RichEd> (local) and install LTS for HP
[01:52] <ogra> what i need tested is if all the installer parts work properly
[01:52] <ogra> i think i can test on friday again (jammcq/sbalneav should have enough equipment to do the testing in detroit)
[01:52] <ogra> but Mithrandir insists on releasing on thursday ...
[01:53] <jsgotangco> i can do a test starting tomorrow
[01:53] <jsgotangco> but only for x86
[01:54] <rodarvus> hmm, also I only have i386
[01:54] <ogra> RichEd, ok
[01:54] <ogra> i'll write a knot3 testplan on the wiki 
[01:54] <ogra> if only my wlan wouldnt die all 2mins
[01:55] <rodarvus> ogra, I think vmware has pxe support, but I can't assure you 100% of this
[02:03] <ogra> rodarvus, its not about PXE ... rather the device emulations et
[02:03] <ogra> c
[02:04] <ogra> GAH !
[02:05] <ogra> *hung
[02:05] <ogra> grmbl ...
[02:05] <ogra> not my day today
[02:07] <Petaris> ogra: haha, I've done that before
[02:07] <Petaris> Then I kick myself for not following basic procedure and checking basic hardware connections first
[02:08] <ogra> right
[02:09] <Petaris> Theres been a few times where I have replaced a hdd then booted the machine and thought "what the hell" when it wasn't found, started debugging then realised I forgot to plugin the power to the drive
[02:09] <ogra> if my wlan would at least stay up for more than 3 mins i could actually do some work ...
[02:09] <ogra> seems i'm cursed today
[02:09] <Petaris> just run a cable to the switch?
[02:09] <Petaris> unless you aren't near one
[02:16] <cbx33> afternoon all
[02:16] <cbx33> hi ogra 
[02:16] <Petaris> morning cbx33
[02:16] <cbx33> hi Petaris 
[02:17] <ogra> i have a wireless connection between the two floors ... my AP isnt movable and there is a diagonal heating pipe in the floor of my office that shields it 
[02:17] <Petaris> ahh
 pitti, i assume you didnt get a chance to look over the SCP MIR ?
 <pitti> sorry, not at Friday; I plan to do another review session today
[02:17] <ogra> cbx33, ^^^^
[02:22] <cbx33> ogra: cool
[02:22] <cbx33> lets hope it gets through
[02:23] <cbx33> ogra: I have decisions on artwork, but onyl had low ressers with me
[02:24] <cbx33> will build pacakge when I get home
[02:27] <ogra> i'm fine with doing the package ... just send me the hires versions ...
[02:27] <ogra> btw, could you make the black fonts/drawings a bit more transparent ? 
[02:27] <ogra> (on the wallpaper)
[02:28] <ogra> it gets a bit distracting with a lot of icons and text on the desktop ...
[02:28] <ogra> or color it in a slight brown instead of black ...
[02:31] <cbx33> most of them are brown
[02:31] <cbx33> but I will surely sort it out
[02:31] <cbx33> Hi Seveas, did those images look ok?
[02:33] <Seveas> cbx33, didn't have time for it yet, sorry
[02:35] <cbx33> oh ok np
[02:36] <ogra> cbx33, as i told you i need to rework edubuntu-artwork first anyway ...
[02:37] <cbx33> ogra: ok sure, I'll send them to you tonight 
[02:37] <cbx33> tar ok?
[02:37] <ogra> Seveas, do you have a table or something for the hex values for the progressbar colors ? 
[02:37] <ogra> sure, tar is fine
[02:46] <jsgotangco> have to leave early
[02:46] <jsgotangco> long day tomorrow
[02:46] <jsgotangco> later guys
[03:04] <RichEd> hi pygi ... give me a few minutes
[03:05] <pygi> RichEd, sure
[03:13] <RichEd> ping pygi: window ->
[03:45] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:58] <pygi> howdy bddebian 
[03:58] <bddebian> Heya pygi
[03:59] <bddebian> I haven't found anyone to help me yet :-(
[03:59] <pygi> bddebian, don't worry, as I said
[04:17] <RichEd> ping pygi
[04:18] <pygi> pong RichEd 
[04:18] <RichEd> back to window ->
[04:38] <sbalneav> Morning all
[04:39] <bddebian> Hello sbalneav
[04:39] <ogra> hey sbalneav 
[04:40] <sbalneav> ogra: Hey dude, there's a bit of a hiccough in lbmount, if someone unplugs their terminal, with mounted drives, you get a lbmount you can't unmount because the ltspfs mount goes away, and lbmount checks to see if there's a ltspfs mount underneath the bind.
[04:40] <sbalneav> So, I'll look at that today, and send you an update
[04:40] <ogra> great
[04:41] <sbalneav> I was playing around with the lltsp in edgy all weekend,things are looking nice.
[04:41] <ogra> i already noticed that, but found it rather minor ... you can solve it by simply un/replugging in the new session
[04:41] <sbalneav> right, but we should do "the right thing" anyway :)
[04:41] <sbalneav> AWESOME
[04:42] <ogra> yeah
[04:42] <sbalneav> so, lemme run down the checklist:
[04:42] <sbalneav> localdevs: check
[04:42] <sbalneav> SCP, check
[04:42] <sbalneav> nbd swap check
[04:42] <sbalneav> Dynamic menus: thats in universe, right?
[04:44] <sbalneav> And I beleive you had the dhcp-autoconfig thing figured out, yes?
[04:46] <ogra> yes
[04:46] <ogra> but untested yet
[04:46] <ogra> sadly i'll travel on thursday so getting knot3 tested properly on all arches will be difficult :/
[04:48] <sbalneav> Well, I've been testing on i386
[04:48] <ogra> full installs ? 
[04:48] <sbalneav> Yep!
[04:48] <ogra> wow
[04:48] <sbalneav> I set up an apt-cacher at home
[04:48] <ogra> ok, i think i should have some premature artwork in tonight, so from tomorrow on the CD should be near the final state ...
[04:48] <sbalneav> So doing the install and the upgrade only takes about 1.5 hours.
[04:49] <ogra> modulo bugfixes and artwork updates
[04:49] <ogra> install and upgrade ?
[04:49] <sbalneav> Yep
[04:49] <ogra> what kind of upgrades ? 
[04:49] <ogra> oh, you used knot 2 i guess :)
[04:49] <sbalneav> apt-get upgrade
[04:49] <ogra> thats ooooold
[04:50] <sbalneav> That's so 2 weeks ago :)
[04:50] <ogra> yeah
[04:50] <ogra> missing all the features
[04:50] <sbalneav> is the next knot out?
[04:50] <sbalneav> I'll download it tonight.
[04:50] <sbalneav> I'm running edgy ubuntu on my Laptop now!
[04:50] <ogra> no, as i said its planned for thursday
[04:50] <sbalneav> sorry, edgy EDUbuntu, I mean.
[04:51] <ogra> so i'll have to try to get it going fine until wednesday 
[04:51] <ogra> and can only pry it doesnt break on thursday
[04:51] <ogra> *pray
[04:51] <ogra> else we'll have a broken knot release 
[04:51] <sbalneav> :(
[04:51] <sbalneav> Things have looked good so far.
[04:52] <ogra> you havent tested all the changes yet
[04:52] <sbalneav> Apart from the bump we had with xkeyboard-config.
[04:52] <ogra> specifically the dhcpd.conf stuff makes me very edgy
[04:52] <sbalneav> As soon as I get a release in my hands, I'll check that.
[04:53] <sbalneav> I've got a box with 2 nicks on it that will do just fine for the test
[04:53] <ogra> yep
[04:53] <ogra> any recent laptop should be fine for that ...
[04:53] <ogra> assuming the wlan card works 
[04:54] <ogra> i do all my testing stuff on my laptops ...
[04:54] <ogra> but i wont bring my ibook to the sprint ... since i fear US customs a bit i'll bring only whats necessary
[04:55] <sbalneav> What laptop are you bringing then?  The amd64?
[04:55] <ogra> yep
[04:55] <ogra> it has a working builtin cdwriter and a spare partition for install tests
[04:55] <sbalneav> sexy
[04:55] <ogra> so i can at least test two arches
[04:56] <ogra> i still have no idea what to do about upgrades ...
[04:56] <ogra> the new ltsp-update-kernels code needs an pdated chroot ...
[04:56] <ogra> and the location of the kernel images changed
[04:57] <ogra> (tftp location)
[04:57] <sbalneav> Oh? Not in /var/lib/tftpboot/<arch> anymore?
[04:57] <Petaris> has anyone tried linneighborhood on an amd64 dapper server?
[04:57] <ogra> it was never in <arch> thats new
[04:57] <Petaris> the package seems to have no binary
[04:57] <ogra> it was always /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp
[04:57] <sbalneav> ahh
[04:58] <sbalneav> ok
[04:58] <ogra> and now we have /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/<arch>
[04:58] <ogra> i wonder how evil it is to just have a postinst script in the ltsp-server package that moves it around ...
[04:58] <highvoltage> ogra: i'm very lagged so apologies if my responses are slow
[04:58] <highvoltage> ogra: so knot3 release is thursday?
[04:58] <ogra> yes, sadly
[04:59] <highvoltage> when does testing neet to take place? before that, or on release of it?
[04:59] <ogra> both
[04:59] <ogra> but i can test until wed.
[04:59] <jammcq_laptop> g'morning
[04:59] <highvoltage> how should knot3 be tested?
[05:00] <ogra> i'll fly to jammcqs ltsp hacker barbecue on thusday very early in the morning
[05:00] <highvoltage> (before thursday)
[05:00] <Petaris> morning jammcq_laptop 
[05:00] <highvoltage> with daily builds or are there some kind of release candidate?
[05:00] <ogra> highvoltage, the default install must finish without errors ...
[05:00] <jammcq_laptop> highvoltage: hey jonathon
[05:00] <highvoltage> hey jammcq_laptop !
[05:00] <ogra> theoretically ltsp should be up and running witrh all features after first reboot
[05:00] <ogra> note that we default to having two NICs from now on
[05:01] <highvoltage> ogra: I can test on wednesday morning
[05:01] <sbalneav> Hey jammcq!
[05:01] <highvoltage> i will rsync during tomorrow
[05:01] <jammcq_laptop> I heard this is where all the cool people hang out
[05:01] <ogra> the out of the box code wont work if you have only one ...
[05:01] <highvoltage> I'll e-mail everyone on the edubuntu-testers team and get them to test with release on thursday
[05:01] <ogra> jammcq_laptop, now it is, yes ;)
[05:03] <Petaris> ogra: are local apps still on the back burner for now?
[05:03] <ogra> yes, thats for edgy+1
[05:03] <Petaris> ok
[05:03] <ogra> local apps kind of need local usersneed 
[05:03] <ogra> -need
[05:04] <Petaris> ahh
[05:04] <ogra> sbalneav, did you see that i merged vagrants workstation code ? we could theoretically build fat clients :)
[05:05] <Petaris> What about integration with MS ActiveDir, Novell eDirectory?
[05:05] <pygi> ogra, we  have fat and thin clients...when can we have moderate clients? ^_^
[05:05] <ogra> pygi, if we went through the extremes ;)
[05:05] <Petaris> man, I just want an average sized client
[05:05] <Petaris> ;p
[05:06] <pygi> Petaris, indeed, moderate one :P
[05:06] <ogra> Petaris, complain to ajmitch ... he had a SoC project for network auth that should solve it but didnt finish
[05:06] <pygi> ogra, ah, he didnt finish his SoC project? 
[05:07] <sbalneav> ogra: Yes, saw vagrant talking about it in #ltsp
[05:08] <Petaris> ogra: I have AD auth working now through sadms
[05:08] <Petaris> and Novell has instructions on their cool solutions pages
[05:08] <Petaris> but having it as part of edubuntu would be a big plush
[05:09] <Petaris> If I see ajmitch I will see how his progress is coming
[05:10] <pygi> Petaris, that would mean he hasnt finished his SoC project? :-/
[05:11] <Petaris> pygi: not to my knowlage at least
[05:11] <pygi> bleh!
[05:12] <Petaris> sadms worked pretty well
[05:12] <Petaris> but its only for connecting to AD I believe
[05:12] <Petaris> http://sadms.sourceforge.net/
[05:12] <ogra> well, its not even in the archive ... :/
[05:14] <Petaris> ogra: its hard for me to get a hold of him as I am only here when he is asleep
[05:14] <Petaris> and vise/versa
[05:14] <ogra> yep
[05:15] <ogra> pygi, he said its there but to rought edged for general use ... 
[05:16] <pygi> ogra, Mithrandir let him pass the final eval?
[05:16] <ogra> no idea
[05:16] <ogra> i dont check others SoC projects
[05:16] <pygi> ah, ok 
[05:16] <Petaris> the only thing that would be nice to add to sadms is the ability to mount AD homedirs (from the users profile)
[05:17] <Petaris> it already supports basic homedir mounting via pam_mount
[05:17] <ogra> well, as i siad, first a motu would need to package it
[05:17] <ogra> there is no package in the archive
[06:01] <darth_gimp> Gretting...
[06:01] <darth_gimp> looking through the screen shots, I noticed a wallpaper of the Earth looking like it was drawn in chalk on a chalkboard.
[06:02] <darth_gimp> Where can I get a copy of that without installing Edubuntu on top of my Ubuntu?
[06:04] <darth_gimp> Let me see if this makes more sense...  (been up all night) How can I get a copy of an Edubuntu wallpaper without installing the package?
[06:04] <ogra> which one ? 
[06:04] <darth_gimp> http://www.edubuntu.org/images/tour/desktop.png
[06:05] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/edubuntu/dapper_art/chalkboard.png
[06:06] <darth_gimp> ogra, you are the bestest!
[06:06] <darth_gimp> Ogra.. like the seer? The one with the shards and the planets?
[06:09] <darth_gimp> Or did she spell it Augra... (From the Dark Crystal movie)
[06:09] <ogra> ah, that one ...
[06:09] <ogra> no, ogra is just an abbreviation of my name ;)
[06:09] <ogra> (yes i know that sboring ;) )
[06:09] <darth_gimp> lol.. you were probably thinking I was off my rocker there ... 
[06:09] <darth_gimp> XD
[06:10] <darth_gimp> Would you say Edubuntu is better for my 11 year-old daughter than Ubuntu?
[06:11] <ogra> it has more games ;)
[06:12] <darth_gimp> lol
[06:12] <darth_gimp> I installed the tron game in Ubuntu... Armagetron....
[06:12] <ogra> apart from that, younger artwork and ltsp in teh server variant (default install) its similar in its app selection ... 
[06:12] <darth_gimp> but there is a newer version and I cannot compile it for the life of me... ahh well
[06:13] <darth_gimp> I like the Educa
[06:13] <darth_gimp> that's pretty cool
[06:16] <darth_gimp> ok gotta run again...
[06:16] <ogra> ciao :)
[06:16] <darth_gimp> Thanks again....
[06:26] <sbalneav> Hey rodarvus!
[06:26] <sbalneav> How's it going?
[06:26] <rodarvus> hi sbalneav!
[06:26] <rodarvus> recovering :)
[06:26] <sbalneav> Were you sick?  Hope you're feeling better!
[06:26] <rodarvus> hope all is well with you
[06:27] <rodarvus> no, my father passed away last wednesday :/
[06:27] <sbalneav> Oh!
[06:27] <sbalneav> My condolences
[06:27] <rodarvus> sbalneav: thanks, appreciated
[06:27] <ogra> cbx33, did you see the main inclusion queue =
[06:27] <ogra> ?
[06:27] <cbx33> no?
[06:28] <cbx33> 2 secs
[06:28] <ogra> well, have a look :)
[06:28] <ogra> and have a party afterwards ;)
[06:29] <cbx33> ooooh SNAP !
[06:29] <cbx33> wow that's amazing
[06:29] <cbx33> and you're all invited ;)
[06:30] <ogra> i'm just waiting for edubuntu-meta to be done on LP, then i'll add it to -desktop
[06:31] <ogra> the usplash stuff is done as well in edubuntu-artwork
[06:31] <ogra> the throbber front pic has an odd dashed line ...
[06:32] <cbx33> oh...you mean the images I sent?
[06:32] <cbx33> of the ones you used?
[06:34] <ogra> the ones from your webserver
[06:34] <cbx33> ah yes
[06:34] <cbx33> I have to fix that
[06:34] <ogra> i used them as interim
[06:34] <cbx33> was a pallette issue
[06:34] <cbx33> does it look ok?
[06:35] <cbx33> why didn;t it work when I built it?
[06:35] <cbx33> ok
[06:35] <cbx33> I have paid work to do
[06:40] <HorD> chicas para tener una conversacin amigable sobre ubuntu dirijirse hacia #ubuntu-lat gracias que tengan buenas tardes las esperamos :D
[06:48] <sbalneav> heh, trolling for girls in #ubuntu-lat
[06:55] <cbx33> hey Yagisan 
[06:56] <Yagisan> G'day cbx33 
[06:56] <cbx33> howz it going?
[06:57] <Yagisan> cbx33, not to bad. doing some server reconfiguration now that I've finished beating up on GPL violators this week
[06:57] <cbx33> heheh
[06:58] <Yagisan> cbx33, had one project shut down that was stealing my code. Need to get anotherone shutdown
[06:59] <ogra> mdz, do you want to approve student-control-panel-completion before i set it to implemented ? it just passed the pitti review and is in main ...
[06:59] <Yagisan> cbx33, but for now, I'me getting ready to setup ubuntu ltsp under vserver :)
[06:59] <Yagisan> cbx33, yourself ?
[07:01] <cbx33> yeh going good
[07:01] <cbx33> I'll bbiab
[07:01] <cbx33> dinner
[07:01] <mdz> ogra: who reviewed it?  there's no review indicated in the status whiteboard
[07:01] <sbalneav> Be back after lunch
[07:01] <ogra> mdz, iwj in the end
[07:02] <mdz> ogra: please get the review recorded in the status whiteboard, since that's the only audit trail we have
[07:02] <ogra> and you wanted to take a last look
[07:32] <cbx33> bbl
[07:56] <sbalneav> Back again
[07:56] <cbx33> ogra is a .zip ok ;)
[07:56] <cbx33> I'm on the dozey machine at the mo
[07:56] <cbx33> would be easier :|
[07:57] <ogra> fine
[07:57] <cbx33> ok
[07:57] <cbx33> 2 secs
[07:57] <ogra> sbalneav, see topic :)
[07:58] <ogra> in case you like to test 
[07:59] <sbalneav> OK
[07:59] <sbalneav> Checking
[08:00] <Burgwork> scp is love!
[08:00] <Burgwork> now I wish advogato worked, so I can blog
[08:01] <sbalneav> ogra: What's a url for downloading the cd?  I'll ssh into home and kick off a wget
[08:04] <cbx33> Burgwork thanks
[08:04] <ogra> sbalneav, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/current/
[08:04] <ogra> from tomorrow on ...
[08:04] <sbalneav> ogra+10
[08:04] <sbalneav> Or maybe ogra^2
[08:05] <ogra> heh, lets see. i suspect a lot to be broken ...
[08:05] <sbalneav> ah, from tomorrow.   Tomorrow who's time
[08:05] <sbalneav> utc?
[08:05] <ogra> there were many additions the last days
[08:05] <ogra> they are usually built ~1am UTC
[08:06] <ogra> you can check http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/
[08:07] <sbalneav> k, I'll keep a weather eye on it.
[08:09] <ogra> better than a wetter eye :)
[08:10] <sbalneav> Well, if it's WET weather, then one supposes I could do both! :)
[08:12] <ogra> heh
[08:13] <ogra> as long as the wetness is caused by weather all is fine ... if the iso looks so bad that your eyes get wet thats bad :)
[08:42] <capt_kirk> Good evening all.  My test lab is running well, with about 50 students using it for production work.  One question - is it possible to limit login on a specific thin client to a specific group?  I know how to do that with PAM access limits on a generic network, but I can't find any documentation about doing it with LTSP thin clients.  Use case: One large LTSP server with all of the school's...
[08:42] <capt_kirk> ...thin clients.  Some of those clients are in the degree program area and should only be accessible to the degree students.  Other clients in a public area, which should be accessible to both degree and secretarial students.  The question is if I can limit logins on the degree-only clients to the degree group?  Thanks.
[08:44] <Petaris> capt_kirk: I would not think so, as technically there is only the one computer
[08:46] <capt_kirk> Petaris: that's what I've been thinking, but I was hoping that there was a way in lts.conf to limit access on a per-client basis, similar to the way you can set up each client to have a different xserver setting.
[08:46] <Petaris> hrm
[08:46] <Petaris> not sure
[08:47] <Petaris> I suppose that you may be able to hack something up and have it applied to that single ws, but I've not heard of this being done for user managements
[08:49] <sbalneav> capt_kirk: The problem is, all the stuff that goes on with ltsp happens long before the user logs in.
[08:49] <sbalneav> The way handle this would be through user profiles in Sabayon
[08:49] <capt_kirk> sbalneav: yeah, that
[08:50] <sbalneav> I'm assuming some terminals have "special" things on them? Like a printer, or a bigger monitor?
[08:50] <capt_kirk> sbalneav: yeah, that's what I was afraid of.  it looks that way from both the documenation and watching the boot process.
[08:52] <capt_kirk> it's really more of a distribution of resources issue.  There are a lot more secretarial students than degree students.  I'm working at a college in Tanzania for a year.  In America, if we were supposed to have access to a computer, we would speak up.  But the culture here is that students don't challenge other students.  So, even though the degree students pay a lot more and have more work,...
[08:52] <capt_kirk> ...they won't tell the secretarial students to get off the computers.
[08:53] <capt_kirk> We've tried to institute policies, but if there is not an instructor right there enforcing the policy, it doesn't work.
[08:54] <capt_kirk> So, to make sure that there are a minimum number of computers available for degree students, I'd like to keep secretarial students off of some of them, while allowing them to get to the rest.
[08:54] <capt_kirk> I could do it with time restrictions throught PAM, but I was hoping to do it more like PAM's access restrictions allow you to limit access to specific computers.
[08:58] <sbalneav> One could check the LTSP_CLIENT environment variable, and exit out.
[08:58] <sbalneav> I'm just guessing here, but...
[08:58] <capt_kirk> Since the server knows the IP address of the thin clients, I was hoping it would be possible to apply access restrictions based on that, even though I knew it was not likely at this point.  (My real hope was that it was an undocumented feature and that when I asked on here, someone would say, "Oh yeah, you just edit /opt/ltsp/..."
[08:58] <capt_kirk> Thanks.  That's at least a place to start.
[08:59] <capt_kirk> ogra: are you online now?
[08:59] <sbalneav> If you created a file in /etc/X11/Xsession.d, called "30-kickoff-certain-clients" with the contents:
[08:59] <sbalneav> if [ ${LTSP_CLIENT} = "192.168.0.x" ] ; then
[08:59] <sbalneav>   exit
[09:00] <sbalneav> fi
[09:00] <Burgwork> timeoutd
[09:00] <sbalneav> That might be a place to begin pokin
[09:00] <sbalneav> whoops, change that to 
[09:00] <Burgwork> timeoutd is a daemon for controlling users time
[09:00] <Burgwork> it is in the repos
[09:01] <sbalneav> [ ${LTSP_CLIENT} == "192..." -a $USER = "onewedon'twant" ] 
[09:01] <capt_kirk> thanks!
[09:01] <sbalneav> You'd really want to set up some kind of group id mapping, etc.
[09:01] <sbalneav> They'll log in, but just get immediately booted off,
[09:02] <capt_kirk> great.  I'll give it a shot this week.
[09:02] <capt_kirk> sounds pretty straight forward
[09:03] <capt_kirk> burgwork: thanks.  I'll look into timeoutd, too.
[09:03] <LaserJock> hi everybody
[09:03] <sbalneav> Hey LaserJock 
[09:07] <LaserJock> hi sbalneav 
[09:08] <HedgeMage> heya LaserJock 
[09:08] <LaserJock> hi HedgeMage!
[09:09] <HedgeMage> How are you?
[09:10] <LaserJock> pretty good
[09:10] <LaserJock> how about yourself?
[09:10] <cbx33> hey LJ
[09:10] <HedgeMage> Very good.
[09:10] <HedgeMage> Hi cbx33 :)
[09:11] <HedgeMage> cbx33: when might be a good time to get ahold of your wifey?  I wanted to ask her some art-related stuff.
[09:12] <pygi> hey HedgeMage 
[09:12] <HedgeMage> hi pygi :)  Going to mak the meeting, I hope?
[09:12] <pygi> HedgeMage, probably not :-/
[09:13] <HedgeMage> awww :(
[09:15] <cbx33> hey HedgeMage
[09:15] <cbx33> umm
[09:15] <cbx33> she's next to me now
[09:15] <cbx33> I can ask her if you want
[09:15] <cbx33> pygi: it got into main ;D
[09:16] <pygi> cbx33, I know, I know :P
[09:16] <pygi> Congrats =)
[09:16] <cbx33> heheh
[09:16] <pygi> I know :P
[09:17] <cbx33> sorry :(
[09:17] <pygi> lol, no need to be sorry :)
[09:17] <HedgeMage> :)
[09:19] <LaserJock> cbx33!
[09:19] <LaserJock> SCP in Main?
[09:20] <cbx33> yup :D
[09:20] <LaserJock> \o/
[09:21] <pygi> HedgeMage, so no meeting for me most likely, stuffed :(
[09:21] <pygi> also I dont see mhz, perhaps he'll come tho
[09:21] <LaserJock> cbx33: edubuntu-menus is still in NEW :/
[09:21] <cbx33> brb
[09:22] <HedgeMage> We'll run with whomever we have, I guess.
[09:23] <pygi> HedgeMage, thats a problem we'll have none
[09:23] <pygi> me and you only again :-/
[09:23] <HedgeMage> Joyce can't make the meeting due to work, but she's still working on her bit of the handbook
[09:24] <HedgeMage> mhz says his stuff will be finished on time
[09:28] <spacey> hi there
[09:28] <spacey> how is everything going?
[09:28] <spacey> i was away for a while
[09:40] <capt_kirk> 'night all.  (From Easter Aftrica, time is more of an estimate
[09:41] <silentkey> heh
[09:45] <cbx33> phew back
[09:45] <cbx33> sorrry HedgeMage my machine crashed
[09:45] <cbx33> did you reply?
[09:47] <HedgeMage> np yep... Sept 30th is fine
[09:48] <HedgeMage> we're publishing via lulu so we have lots of flexibility
[09:49] <LaserJock> when is your doc freeze?
[09:54] <cbx33> ok cool
[09:58] <HedgeMage> LaserJock: It was *supposed* to be some time ago... some things did not go according to plan
[09:58] <HedgeMage> (largely my fault... hubby had to have surgery so I disappeared to take care of him)
[09:59] <LaserJock> HedgeMage: oh, sorry about your hubby, hopefully he recovers well
[10:00] <HedgeMage> LaserJock: Thanks.  He seems to be doing well so far.
[10:01] <LaserJock> it seems docs, as a whole, didn't get a very good start this release
[10:01] <LaserJock> 4 months isn't long enough
[10:02] <sbalneav> #ubuntu-meeting?
[10:02] <HedgeMage> LaserJock: I suggested postponing the print version to edgy+1 but it wasn't met with much approval :/
[10:03] <HedgeMage> sbalneav: yep
[10:03] <sbalneav> in
[10:03] <LaserJock> HedgeMage: well, don't focus on print too much, that can be done at any time
[10:03] <HedgeMage> LaserJock: Yeah, that's pretty much my attitude -- content is most important.
[10:04] <LaserJock> yeah, I'm very excited to see how this turns out
[10:06] <HedgeMage> Me, too
[10:06] <HedgeMage> As hubby's doing better, I'm trying to get as much as I can done
[10:07] <pygi> HedgeMage, meeting now or something?
[10:07] <HedgeMage> cbx33 mentioned Student Control Panel should be included, though, and I've not even seen it yet... any clue who we might drag in to write something on it?
[10:07] <HedgeMage> pygi: yep
[10:09] <LaserJock> HedgeMage: I'd guess cbx33 ;-)
[10:09] <HedgeMage>  :)
[10:55] <nixternal> HedgeMage: i should be freeing up a little time, in which I would like to help as well with this project, as the meaning behind it strong for me, since my daughter uses it as well ;)
[10:56] <HedgeMage> nixternal: That would be wonderful!
[10:56] <nixternal> right now LaserJock has me working like you wouldn't believe..and he won't even buy me lunch ;(
[10:57] <LaserJock> heh
[10:58] <HedgeMage> rofl
[10:58] <nixternal> oh..there is a guy in one of my LUGs who is a LTSP nut, and has planned on doing some editing on the wiki for it..I will also direct him this way if he is interested as well
[10:58] <HedgeMage> Cool
[11:02] <cbx33> brb...
[11:04] <nixternal> that guy and LTSP, would it be good to put him in contact with sbalneav since he is the LTSP guru i guess you could say ;)
[11:05] <nixternal> i guess this guy figured out some tips and tricks with LTSP and Ubuntu/Edubuntu
[11:06] <LaserJock> sbalneav, ogra, and #ltsp
[11:06] <LaserJock> which are kind of all equal
[11:08] <nixternal> sweet !
[11:17] <pygi> LaserJock, hehe :)
[11:49] <LaserJock> oh, hi Amaranth 
[11:49] <LaserJock> I was just trying to see if willowng 0.3 was in the archives
[11:49] <LaserJock> but it seems it's not
[11:49] <Amaranth> hey
[11:49] <Amaranth> i think it got stuck in binary NEW
[11:49] <Amaranth> if you point at launchpad you can snag the debs
[11:49] <LaserJock> ahhh
[11:49] <LaserJock> I didn't think we had a binary NEW
[11:50] <Amaranth> LaserJock: That silly KDE config frontend got me lost in limbo. ;)
[11:50] <LaserJock> sorry
[11:50] <LaserJock> KDE user's around the world will love you though ;-)
[11:50] <Amaranth> I'll probably be able to maintain it on my own now that I have the ui files and such.
[11:50] <Amaranth> I know enough to modify what's there.
[11:51] <LaserJock> well, don't hesitate to ask if you need help
[11:51] <LaserJock> and I think perhaps Robert Day was also interested in a web interface
[11:52] <LaserJock> although I don't really know his level of expertise
[12:01] <cbx33> OMW - man was there a lot of dirt on my CPU heatsink
[12:02] <Amaranth> alright well i found a new time killer - GridWars - and it only works on windows so i'll brb