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[01:24] ;--P [01:32] mmm chupa chups === claydoh remembers them from when he lived in Spain [01:32] tasty and dirt cheap [01:32] ok, should be awake in 3 and 1/2 hours from now, good night -> === marseillai [n=mars_@AMarseille-256-1-17-187.w86-219.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _neoncode [n=neoncode@88-107-180-135.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:20] night all === kwwii [n=kwwii@p549577EE.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #kubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:48] Howdy === poningru [n=poningru@ip70-171-62-28.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@ip70-171-62-28.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai [n=mars_@AMarseille-256-1-17-187.w86-219.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lnxkde [n=lnxkde@adsl-72-50-42-108.prtc.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai [n=mars_@AMarseille-256-1-17-187.w86-219.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:28] hi all [04:49] heh. here's teh first logout bug. [04:50] and it's fixed :D === Hobbsee closes it === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@p54A62C15.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@221.221.151.215] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@221.221.151.215] has joined #kubuntu-devel === yuriy [n=yuriy@129.64.153.13] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato [n=jucato@210.5.108.11] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm120.omega23.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm120.omega23.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:28] hey all [08:28] Hobbsee!!! :) [08:29] Jucato!!! :) [08:29] imbrandon: shutdown is still borked. [08:29] imbrandon: i tried it a couple of hours ago [08:32] Hobbsee: doesn't the Live CD have no password for the user "ubuntu"? [08:32] the password is "ubuntu" also [08:32] Jucato: apparently it's ubuntu, i'm not sureabout that [08:33] ah ok. coz when I log out from the Live CD, I don't need to enter a password. but when the session is locked, it doesn't accept any password, blank or "ubuntu"... oh well :) === Lure_ [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee goes off to tell a user that a bug really is fixed. [08:35] hey Lure_ [08:35] Jucato: that's what i found, i was hoping they'd fixed that [08:35] hi Hobbsee [08:35] I'll try again in the Edgy Live CD. that was on Dapper [08:35] (sorry I didn't specify...) === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm120.omega23.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mbiebl [n=michael@dslb-084-056-243-083.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm120.omega23.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm120.omega23.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel === seth [n=seth@ubuntu/member/sethkinast] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm120.omega23.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel === eean [n=ian@adsl-66-143-46-131.dsl.ksc2mo.swbell.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === J-a-r [n=netstar@c83-252-125-31.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm120.omega23.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm120.omega23.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Starting logfile irclogs/kubuntu-devel.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Topic for #kubuntu-devel: Welcome to #kubuntu-devel! | TODO: Gamin fixes at: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuEdgyPackageUpdates | Merges at: http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html | Buglist at https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-team/+packagebugs | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuEdgyKnownProblems === Topic (#kubuntu-devel): set by Tonio_ at Fri Sep 8 13:16:44 2006 === #kubuntu-devel [freenode-info] channel trolls and no channel staff around to help? please check with freenode support: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel === el [n=konversa@port-83-236-238-37.static.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === allee [n=ach@allee.exgal.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === goldenear [n=goldenea@vol75-4-82-225-33-186.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Ingmar^ [n=ingmar@d51A48ECC.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@186.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:31] yo === Huahua [n=hua_@122.0.228.23] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai [n=mars_@AMarseille-256-1-17-187.w86-219.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === J-a-r [n=netstar@c83-252-125-31.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:55] can't upload to edgy's universe now [11:59] why not? [12:21] freeflying: universe freeze is for 09/26 afaik [12:21] hi Riddell [12:21] and freeflying :) === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm120.omega23.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:43] Riddell: concerning bug 59134 [12:43] Malone bug 59134 in kdebase "upstart doesn't obey /etc/default/halt" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/59134 [12:43] Riddell: looking at kdm sources, the command is hardcoded. [12:44] Riddell: should be change the commande directly, or do we need to parse /etc/default/halt ? [12:44] cause is we can hardcode the function, I can yo it, but I can't code the /etc/default/halt parsing [12:45] ./config.def:# define HALT_CMD "/usr/sbin/halt" [12:45] here it is in the sources === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:51] Riddell: done a patch for config.def file and testing === Riddell crosses fingers === kwwii_ [n=kwwii@p54955AE4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:58] Riddell: hehe :) [12:58] yop kwwii_ ! [12:59] moin Tonio_ [01:00] hi Riddell [01:00] kwwii_: fine ? [01:00] Tonio_: yepp, doing very well, you? [01:00] hi kwwii_ [01:00] today is my 9th wedding anniversary [01:00] hum, my little adorable and funky dog is dead yesterday.... [01:01] Tonio_: oh no...sorry to hear that [01:01] I can be your puppy :-) [01:01] kwwii_: that happens, he had an heart attack so he didn't suffer a lot, that's the good point [01:01] kwwii_: congrats for you ;) [01:08] ouch [01:09] my sisters dog died on the weekend [01:12] kwwii_: how are you going to celebrate? [01:12] kwwii_: going in a good restaurant I assume ? [01:12] at least [01:12] Riddell: I was looking at bluez config [01:13] Riddell: hidd is disabled by default, which makes connection to mice and keyboard almost complicated [01:13] Riddell: shouldn't we activate it ? [01:14] Riddell: once activated, you just have to sudo hidd --connect your peripherical once and for all, it'll work at reboot forever [01:14] Tonio_: sounds like we should be it might be a security issue [01:14] hehe, my son is here...so we wil celebrate some other day :-) [01:14] Riddell: as long as we still have to connect it manually once at least, is that security issue ? [01:14] that sounds like it's more than enough security [01:14] Riddell: that's my opinion [01:14] Tonio_: you should ask pitti [01:15] Riddell: will do thanks :) [01:15] Riddell: I am putting together new artwork for knot3....I will give it to you all at once, instead of piece by piece, ok? [01:15] kwwii_: sure [01:21] maybe one of you could fly to germany and take care of my son tonight while we go out? :-) [01:21] send him and a plane to edinburgh, me and sivan will look after him === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm120.omega23.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:22] ;-) [01:29] kwwii_: how about the usplash "background stretched to window" bug ? [01:29] kwwii_: any news on that point ? [01:30] kwwii_: the really strange thing is that it works with other usplash themes provided.... [01:30] kwwii_: I'll try to play with it a bit today [01:32] Riddell: okay, according to pitti activating this looks possible as long as mdz agrees, since it is a feature request ;) [01:32] Riddell: I will also ping doko today concerning python 2.5 and kdedistutils issue [01:49] Riddell: I'm thinking about patching kdebluetooth to allow right-click connect on a hidd peripherical you can see in bluetooth:/ [01:49] Riddell: shouldn't be hard to do and would make connection really easier [01:49] Tonio_: I cannot even find anyone who has the new usplash running [01:50] Tonio_: kinda hard to test, if you know what I mean [01:50] kwwii_: with usplash yes ;) === Jucato_ [n=jucato@124.106.183.81] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:50] kwwii_: but I was wrong, talking about kdm theme, and moodin ;) [01:50] s/usplash/moodin concerning my previous messages...... === Tonio_ is still half sleeping [01:51] Riddell: we talked about that in wiesbaden...can you change that to scale the pic? [01:53] Riddell: : the point is it should be scaled by default, as for the default moodin theme [01:53] Riddell: can be due to your patch then... [01:55] it's on my todo to look at [01:55] Riddell: great ;) [01:55] Riddell: I just noticed there is no "hide button" on kicker anymore [01:55] Riddell: is that wanted stuff ? [01:55] we got rid of it [01:55] Riddell: okay :) [01:56] here are 3 technical improvements for the window deco....what do you think? [01:56] turn off shadowed text in windodeco [01:56] change window border to 3 [01:57] round top corners [01:58] I've not done rounded corners because they're not antialiased and look ugly [01:58] others I don't really have an opinion on [01:59] Riddell: if we pick the right outline color for the window it doesn't look nasty === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jsgotangco_ [n=jsg123@125.212.8.216] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:27] Riddell: testing kdm patched now.... === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato [n=jucato@210.213.193.54] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@186.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:32] Riddell: patch works :) [02:32] Riddell: also we have another way to do it, by patching kdmrc file too, and set alternative command to shutdown instead of changing the default... [02:32] I think changing the default is more clear, but what would you suggest ? [02:32] hey all [02:32] Tonio_: this is for shutdown? [02:32] hey Hobbsee [02:32] Hobbsee: yep, I patched kdm and it works like a charm [02:32] Tonio_: nice :D [02:33] Tonio_: if it works how you've done it lets go with that :) === ryanakca [n=ryan@d226-26-139.home.cgocable.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:33] Tonio_: fancy working out how to change the kdm default background too? [02:33] Riddell: yes, and patching /etc/ files is a policy violation, so better upload a standard source patch :) [02:33] bah. policy only exists to be broken. *g* [02:33] Riddell: I already done that [02:34] Riddell: I set the kdm default background the the kubuntu-wallpaper :) [02:34] groovy [02:34] Riddell: ;) [02:37] Riddell: I did that with kdebase (4:3.5.4-0ubuntu15) upload [02:38] thanks [02:39] Riddell: is knot3 going to be packaged tonight? [02:39] kwwii_: wednesday [02:40] hehe, cool [02:40] oooh knot 3 :) [02:41] hello! [02:41] http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-backports@lists.ubuntu.com/msg01136.html <- here you can see my request got accepted to ubuntu-backports [02:41] but it's not in the repo :p [02:42] Hobbsee: kdebase uploaded so halt issue will be resolved quick [02:42] verwilst: soyuz is still a little broken, with backports, it seems [02:42] Tonio_: nice. i look forward to not calling sudo /sbin/poweroff each time i shut down :) [02:43] Hobbsee: hehe [02:44] Tonio_: mainly because most of the time i forget, so rigth click, logout, remember and kill g-p-m, right click logout again, then remember that that doestn actually work, so find a konsole and sudo /sbin/poweroff [02:44] yay! no more quitting g-p-m to be able to logout/restart/shutdown normally? [02:45] soyuz? [02:45] Jucato: with next kdebase update, it should be okay yes [02:45] nice :) [02:45] who do I ask about the media:/ stuff btw? imbrandon? [02:46] verwilst: build system [02:46] Jucato: er, Tonio_ would be a good one to whinge at :P === Hobbsee hugs Tonio_ [02:47] heh :) [02:47] oh oki :) [02:48] Jucato: _Sime is the man concerning media:/ [02:48] oh thanks === Jucato goes to check LP bugs first... [02:48] audiocd:/ doesn't seem to be working on Edgy... [02:49] ah.... [02:49] debuggers required : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuEdgyKnownProblems [02:49] add your bugs is I missed important ones too [02:49] oh yeah, i was supposed to add to that... [02:49] ok. I'll check if it's been filed first :) [02:50] Hobbsee: which one? audiocd:/ not working? === verwilst [n=verwilst@212.123.1.32] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:52] Jucato: all the ones i was supposed to === eeos [n=eeos@host38-193-dynamic.1-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:52] :) [02:55] https://launchpad.net/bugs/59007 [02:55] Malone bug 59007 in amarok "Install MP3 support not working in Ubuntu" [Untriaged,Confirmed] [02:56] https://launchpad.net/bugs/56206 [02:56] Malone bug 56206 in kdebase "kpersonalizer (the first time wizard) starts every time I start KDE" [Untriaged,Confirmed] [02:56] Jucato: audiocd:/ works here [02:56] aw shucks... [02:56] :( [02:56] Jucato: I'm just ripping a cd to ogg ;) [02:56] Tonio_: heh :) maybe after an update === Hobbsee keeps looking thru her inbox [02:57] Jucato: hum, I don't see any update I would have and you won't ;) [02:57] Hobbsee: that second one is the one you've tried to work on right? [02:57] yeah [02:58] https://launchpad.net/bugs/58552 [02:58] Malone bug 58552 in kubuntu-meta "Mounting Problems in Kubuntu Edgy after the Xserver is restarted" [Untriaged,Confirmed] [02:58] Tonio_: I don't know. I haven't fetched updates for about 5 hours? [02:58] Hobbsee: oh darn! I forgot to close that bug [02:58] hold on I'll reboot into Edgy and confirm if it's been fixed... [02:59] Hobbsee: unsolicited advice: wouldn't it make sense to have some generic way of calling kdesu/gksudo, konsole/gnome-terminal === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato wants to see this discussion first... :) [02:59] eean: true that === Jucato wonders if there's a but coming... [03:01] eean: define generic - ie, across kde, across kde/gnome/xfce/etc, across amarok? [03:02] Hobbsee: well you know, accross the distro [03:02] eean: across kubuntu? there already is. across ubuntu/kubuntu/xubuntu? yeah, i see your point. something apart from sudo. [03:02] doesn't debian/ubuntu already do stuff like that? [03:02] eean: i mean, everything could just call sudo, but they seem not to like doing that. [03:02] with other programs [03:02] how do they do it? === Hobbsee doesnt know [03:03] I dunno, I don't use debian :P. but like gentoo has eselect for picking what java runtime environment to use. [03:04] so hmm yea my /usr/bin/java is a bash script which reads that configuration === Jucato [n=jucato@58.69.26.162] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:04] whoo! === jdong hugs Tonio_ [03:04] https://launchpad.net/bugs/30207 [03:05] Malone bug 30207 in kdebase "media:/ does not handle floppy mounting correctly" [Medium,Confirmed] [03:05] maybe his kdm wil start shutting down right soon :) [03:05] yay klipper and adept_notifier now starts up properly! and I can logout normally, too! :) [03:05] jdong: hehe :) note that the patch isn't perfect actually, I just discovered I also have to patch kcontrol, since the connection manager still propose /sbin/halt by default [03:05] Hobbsee: the unmounting problem still hasn't been solved... :( [03:05] jdong: no impact as long as you don't tweak, but that needs to be fixed too [03:06] :) [03:06] Tonio_: that'll do for a start [03:06] Jucato: that bug report has some upstream stuff that looks useful [03:06] Hobbsee: its just your solution reminded me of klik. which is a horrible bash hack, and your idea is actually a lot better. :) [03:06] Hobbsee: sure, but I'll gonna improve the patch to avoid this kind of problem ;) [03:06] whee! klik! [03:06] eean: heh. which idea was this sorry? [03:06] calm down jdong [03:07] lol [03:07] klik was fun while it lasted [03:07] jdong: klik is a toy, absolutly not of any use ... [03:07] look at citrix, that's something professionnal :) [03:07] Hobbsee: to try one program and then the second if the first isn't in the path [03:07] Tonio_: I know, I know... [03:08] although citrix also has its own issues, but that's something really usable, at least [03:08] eean: ahhh. yes [03:08] Hobbsee: whereas klik did this thing where what they run is dependent on whether they, via bash hacks, determines whether your running kde or gnome [03:09] eean: ewwww.... [03:09] this kcontrol module is a shit........ it should read the default kdm value instead of hardcoding its own one [03:09] :) [03:09] :) [03:09] heh [03:10] Tonio_: rewrite it? :P *ducks* === Jucato also ducks.. just in case of stray bullets... [03:10] Hobbsee: I whish I could do so :) but I can't [03:10] Hobbsee: if you wanna see something horrible, look at klipper code :) [03:10] Hobbsee: we discovered an horrible thing with Riddell [03:10] Tonio_: hah. i'll be right. they didnt build it with yada or checkinstall too, did they? :P [03:10] Tonio_: oh? === jdong kicks his XP box [03:10] Hobbsee: klipper doesn't use .po file for translation [03:11] eh? what does it use then? [03:11] upstream uses a klipperrc.desktop file for config containing all string, so that kde translation system uses it to translate it as a desktop file [03:11] Hobbsee: then the file is installed as klipperrc and contains the full translation for all laguages :) [03:11] Hobbsee: isn't that horrible ? ^^ [03:12] Tonio_: *ouch* [03:12] Tonio_: that's highly evil. [03:12] Hobbsee: yup ;) [03:12] Tonio_: did the k3b stuff (ie, not needing to run as root for all functionality) get fixed? [03:12] Tonio_: ? tha is what we were discussing the other day [03:12] Riddell: yes ;) [03:13] Tonio_: audiocd:/ doesn't work here but media:/hdc (hdc is my cd drive) works exactly like audiocd:/ [03:13] Hobbsee: it is also the reason of the klipper crash we had, since the build system hacks desktop files on the fly, but isn't supposed to hack rc files hehe [03:13] Jucato: yes, I can use both here [03:13] Tonio_: yep. heh [03:13] media:/scd0 and audiocd:/ both are working [03:14] Jucato: I have sata hardware [03:14] ugh... [03:14] grr... === jdong needs a hug === Tonio_ hugs jdong [03:14] note to self: don't run azureus on Windows with 512MB RAM... not ... good.. idea... [03:14] Tonio_: mine isn't SATA, though... [03:15] is it bad for my HD to be at 89 degrees C? [03:15] Hobbsee: concernint k3b, I think it has been resolved, as the need to configure it too [03:15] Hobbsee: everything is supposed to work out of the box afaik [03:15] right, cool === Jucato sighs... === Hobbsee wonders why people expect a non-destructive install [03:21] i mean...isnt that an oxymoron? [03:22] freeze soon, too === eeos [n=eeos@host38-193-dynamic.1-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:28] Hobbsee: what do you mean, non-destructive install? [03:29] jdong: there's a thread on ubuntu-devel - they want to only format certain sections, or just install most things over the top of the current install [03:29] ah [03:29] seems sensible to put /home on a separate partition, and format /, but.... [03:29] anything else... [03:29] Hobbsee: concerning bug 59007, that gnome issue, not kubuntu one :) [03:29] Malone bug 59007 in amarok "Install MP3 support not working in Ubuntu" [Untriaged,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/59007 [03:29] Hobbsee: what about a mode that rm -rf everything but /home, then do an install? [03:29] I was thinking about that too. seems like he installed Amarok on GNOME? [03:29] Hobbsee: mepis supports that [03:29] .desktop file concerning this should be "onlyshowinkde" [03:29] Tonio_: true, but it's an amarok bug. [03:29] Hobbsee: amarok ? [03:29] jdong: ask in the thread or something? [03:30] Tonio_: yes. Amarok on GNOME [03:30] Hobbsee: isn't that simply installing libxine-extracodecs ? [03:30] Tonio_: the install-mp3 script, which is in amarok [03:30] Tonio_: yep [03:30] I don't see the point with amarok [03:30] Hobbsee: ha. mailing list.. you know how much catharsis it took for me to start using IRC? :P [03:30] that's xine relative [03:30] Tonio_: Riddell required us to use amarok batch install for it. also, they dont have kdesu in gnome. [03:30] its only activated with xine yea [03:30] Hobbsee: ah ! isn't the script in adept app-install ? [03:31] I though that was the way to install it [03:31] Tonio_: nope, it's in amarok. iv'e fixed the script twice :D [03:31] stupid adding this in amarok only, since global solution in application installer would be far easier to handle, no ? [03:31] Hobbsee: could get a great backtrace for http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=132851 or find a user who could? [03:31] KDE bug 132851 in knetwork "KResolver raises assert KResolverWorkerBase::acquireResolver(): Assertion `th != 0L' failed" [Crash,New] [03:32] Tonio_: well, different apps require different packages, but that could be sane [03:32] Hobbsee: how to run that script in amarok ? [03:32] Hobbsee: I'll fix [03:32] remove extracodecs Tonio_ [03:32] and try to play an mp3 [03:33] it might work :) [03:33] yeah, that's it [03:33] eean: okay, let's go :) [03:33] eean: i dont have that sort of music shares, etc, available sorry - esp not at this time of night [03:33] ah ! if it works that way, look sane, indeed [03:33] of course, you have to be in GNOME to experience the full bug, right? [03:33] Hobbsee: is the script hacking sources.list to add multiverse stuff ? [03:34] Tonio_: yep [03:34] Jucato: just chmod a-x some stuff :) [03:34] Hobbsee: okay cool :) [03:34] Hobbsee: let's go fixing [03:34] go go go! :) [03:34] I just wonder why gnome guys are using amarok........ there are gtk clones now [03:34] Tonio_: sounds cool, but i dont write python/bash scripting [03:34] Tonio_: hehe, yeah. [03:35] Tonio_: coz Amarok rox? [03:35] Jucato: well gtk clones also rock :) [03:35] heh :) [03:35] Hobbsee: it works with a DAAP server running of your own computer. but I was thinking you might know of some technically component kubuntu users. [03:35] Tonio_: lies! [03:35] eean: not offhand. at this time of night, anyway. [03:35] competent even [03:35] eean: http://www.exaile.org/ [03:35] eean: that's an example [03:35] yea I know Tonio_ [03:35] Tonio_: hehe. careful, we've got an amarok developer on our hands. [03:35] that developer is funny Tonio_ [03:36] he comments on amarok bugs [03:36] and hangs out in #amarok sometimes [03:36] Hobbsee: something cloning a rocking stuff is de facto rocking ;) [03:36] Tonio_: true that [03:36] eean: ah ;) [03:36] eean: how about listen-gnome too [03:36] bmpx developer also comments on our bugs [03:36] looks pretty cool [03:36] I don't understand these people! [03:37] I don't comment on their bugs :) [03:38] eean: hehe, makes sense indeed === claydoh [n=clay@216-220-236-242.midmaine.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:42] Tonio_: btw, I forgot to ask, when I insert a CD, no dialog box pops up, and no Konqueror window/tab opens. All that happens is that an icon appears on the desktop. does that happen there, too? (or just my wacky hardware/system?) [03:42] Jucato: yeah that's known issue [03:42] Jucato: _Sime is working on this [03:43] Jucato: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuEdgyPackageUpdates [03:43] Jucato: in work :) [03:43] Jucato: oups https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-team/+packagebugs sorry [03:43] ah ok. I was beginning to think I was going crazy, since I found out that audiocd:/ works for you :) === bddebian [n=bdefrees@mail.ottens.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:45] Howdy [03:45] hey bddebian [03:46] Hi Hobbsee [03:46] yop bddebian ;) [03:48] Hi Tonio_ [03:51] <_Sime> Tonio_: do you know when a new bunch of KDE packages will be put out for edgy? [03:51] hi _Sime :) [03:52] <_Sime> Hi [03:52] _Sime: in a few hours probably (0ubuntu18) [03:52] _Sime: why ? [03:52] _Sime: patches to apply ? [03:55] <_Sime> Tonio_: well, there are patches on the KubuntuKDEMedia page that need to go into KDE. [03:55] _Sime: kool, I can do the package [03:55] it'll be 0ubuntu19 [03:55] yay! I'm not the only one saying "kool" :) [03:55] _Sime: fixes the pop non appearing issue ? [03:57] <_Sime> Tonio_: yeah yeah. [03:57] _Sime: I have to apply the 2 patches in the pending section right ? [03:57] <_Sime> Tonio_: I don't know if Riddell knows about that list of patches. imbrandom does though. [03:57] <_Sime> Tonio_: yep [03:58] _Sime: okay I'm testing them and uploading if it's okay :) [03:58] <_Sime> Tonio_: I've been working on fixing icons on the KDE desktop too. [03:58] _Sime: you rock ! === _Sime had to fight autohell; that took time. [03:59] <_Sime> Tonio_: I was talking to Kevin, and he brought up some issues about my patches. [03:59] _Sime: great [03:59] <_Sime> Tonio_: "Fast user switching" / multiple sessions has issues. [04:00] _Sime: because of those patches ? [04:00] <_Sime> Tonio_: like, which login gets the CDROM or usb pen when it is inserted... === jdong|laptop [n=jdong@d192-24-235-141.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:04] oh, you guys are gonna get a laugh out of this one [04:04] my neighbor is probably the most Windows-y person you know [04:05] so he had this older computer, with no purpose, and I offered to show him Linux [04:05] I showed him Knoppix (as a competent LiveCD) *duck* [04:05] You showed him a Kernel? [04:05] then installed Fedora for him === bddebian ducks [04:05] he wasn't too crazy about Fedora.... [04:06] so I then installed Ubuntu for him [04:06] and his first reaction was... OMG!! It played a startup sound! [04:06] and he's now just loving Ubuntu.... because it played a freaking startup sound [04:06] O_O [04:06] his hardware is supported by 100% OSS drivers === Jucato wonders about kubuntu-login.ogg again.. [04:06] hehe, sounds like a Windows user :-) [04:06] so in reality Ubuntu and Fedora are quite equivalent for him [04:07] at least in initial feel [04:07] but just because Ubuntu plays a startup sound and Fedora doesn't... he likes Ubuntu better [04:07] heh :) [04:07] which leads me to Jucato's point.... [04:07] where's our sexy new Kubuntu startup sounds? [04:07] I haven't DARED show the guy Edgy's new sound work [04:08] he'll definitely want Edgy then :P [04:08] lol [04:09] hehe === Jucato sadly thinks we won't get new sounds for Kubuntu... :( [04:09] Jucato: if you poke Riddell hard enough, we might :) [04:10] _Sime: it looks like v3 patch in already in [04:10] heh.. I tried poking him about increasing the current login sound's volume a bit. :) [04:10] _Sime: bad news, it doesn't correct the issue here... [04:11] _Sime: I don't understand... [04:12] <_Sime> mmmm... ok [04:12] patch v3 is 09/06, and no changelog in kdebase concerning its update [04:12] but I compared the files, they are the same [04:12] _Sime: is the patch available on the wiki the good version ? [04:13] oups, 06/08 [04:13] _Sime: isn't that a bit old to be the latest patch ? :) [04:14] _Sime: looks like the latest patch isn't on the wiki I think... [04:19] following Hobbsee's recommendations....... === jdong|laptop pokes Riddell with a very long stick === Jucato hopes jdong|laptop won't poke... [04:19] too late... [04:19] :) [04:20] :) [04:20] heh [04:21] you might have to perform the great Riddell summoning ritual === Jucato looks for salt... [04:21] I know he's here.... [04:21] I know he heard me... [04:21] he's ignoring me [04:21] Riddell: jdong|laptop says "ping" [04:21] _Sime: what is the date of the patch ? cause the v3 has been added on 22 Aug according to debian/changelog [04:21] _Sime: sounds a bit old isn't it ? === Jucato wonders what jdong|desktop would say... [04:21] lol, good one, Hobbsee :) [04:22] jdong|laptop: irssi tends to have dodgy support of nick notification [04:22] Riddell: oh, can we have new kubuntu startup sounds? please please please please please please please please? [04:22] hmm? [04:22] please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please [04:22] hehe, there you go [04:22] ;) [04:22] what's wrong with the current one? [04:22] it's lame? [04:22] Riddell: it's very quiet [04:22] Ubuntu has new ones? the current one is very quiet... [04:22] and it's kinda boring. bigger problem is that i'ts quiet [04:23] (and we don't actually have a logout sound, aside from KDE's...) [04:23] and it needs to keep me entertained throughout the startup sequence [04:23] lol [04:23] not announce that my celeron has taken its leisurely 35 seconds.... [04:23] hehe [04:23] *ouch* [04:23] trouble with that is KDE plays the startup sound at the end of the startup sequence [04:23] yes.. very strange, come to think of it... [04:23] Riddell: aw, a bit of autostart loving can fix that :) [04:23] Riddell: what's the intended behaviour? [04:24] Hobbsee: presumably as it is [04:24] by the way kwwii_ handles artwork, I just do what he says [04:24] :) [04:24] Riddell: right, so it's kwwii_ that gets bugged. === jdong|laptop pokes kwwii_ with long stick? === jdong|laptop primes klippy with string of please's [04:25] and we have listened to the suggested startup sounds, and didn't like any of them === Hobbsee shines the mind-control rubix cube in Riddell's face [04:25] what? Riddell just does what I say!? oh, that changes things a bit [04:25] ah, I see [04:25] aw... [04:25] "you will do what i command" :P [04:25] lol [04:25] :p [04:25] oh krap this is bad... i'm lol'ing irl... [04:26] if anyone has a good suggestion for the sounds, please offer them :-) [04:26] we listened to the new sounds and were not too impressed [04:26] in fact, ubuntu is using some of them and now they have complaints about them [04:27] kwwii_: how about increasing the volume of kubunt-login.ogg just a bit? [04:27] right. freeze in 16-18 hours. Tonio_, you seen that? [04:28] Hobbsee: yes I know :) [04:28] Jucato: not sure how to do that...is it a configurable thing or would we have to edit the file and increase the gain somehow? [04:28] Tonio_: cool :) [04:28] Hobbsee: I'm on the amarok script now, looks easy to fix [04:28] kwwii_: probaby edit the file itself. :( [04:28] Tonio_: yeah, it looked sane. just that i didnt know the coding language involved :P [04:29] heh. i found what i was after. http://www.killourboss.com/problem.html [04:29] well, what iv'e been looking for for a while - almost. [04:29] Hobbsee: bash :) [04:29] Tonio_: point. [04:30] Jucato: we could try, but I would hate to mess it up [04:30] Jucato: or, we could ask the peron who made it to change it [04:30] kwwii_: oh well. it was worth a suggestion :) [04:30] kwwii_: why not suggest that Jucato has a try? [04:30] Jucato: it is a good point though, we can still look into that [04:31] Hobbsee: lol. I tried.. ended up messing it :) [04:31] awwww... [04:31] hey Jucato, why don't you try editing it? :-) [04:31] hehe [04:31] the author should really take care of that [04:31] Riddell: do you have the authors email address? [04:32] kwwii_: of what? [04:33] should be in debian/copyright [04:34] but it's years old from kde-look, I don't know if I got a response when I e-mailed him [04:34] Riddell: what is the gtk equivalent to kdialog ? [04:34] gdialog ? ;) [04:35] lol [04:35] zenity, I think... [04:35] this amarok script has been done by someone that doesn't even imagin gnome exists :) [04:36] Tonio_: you mean to say it does? *gasp* [04:36] heh :) [04:37] Tonio_: there isn't one [04:37] Tonio_: oh, the command line app? xdialog [04:38] Riddell: looks like zenity can do the job, I'm just reading at the man and it is okay isn't it ? [04:39] Tonio_: what job? [04:39] zenity seems to be the preferred one [04:39] kdialog equivalent :) [04:40] Tonio_: are you doing install-mp3? [04:40] Riddell: okay, that's for amarok mp3 installer script I try to make gnome compatible..... [04:40] Riddell: yes [04:40] ah hah [04:40] Riddell: the script is pure kde hardcoded stuff :) [04:40] that's just the way I am, hardcoded KDE :) [04:40] instead of 3 things one, like if kde elif gnome else foo [04:41] Riddell: you did that ? ;) [04:41] heh [04:41] Riddell: haha :) [04:41] what will be used instead of Adept Batch? === jdong_ [n=jdong@d192-24-235-141.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:42] Riddell: the sound files for startup, etc. [04:43] Riddell: you forgot a crucial if condition though - the one about if (dm != kde) sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop [04:43] lol [04:43] Riddell: Zenity] doesn't have a yes/no option as of now. [04:43] Riddell: grmpf....... hard to make gnome equivalent it seems [04:44] that's required to add multiverse stuff [04:44] Riddell: echo deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper multiverse >> /etc/apt/sources.list' && apt-get update && [04:45] Riddell: gb ?????????? [04:45] good as any other :) [04:47] Riddell: yes but well... :) === jjesse_ [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:52] night all [04:53] argh.. wasn't able to say goodbye... :( [04:54] night hobbse === jjesse_ [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [04:58] <_Sime> Tonio_: The latest patches don't appear to be in kde... === jjesse_ [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #kubuntu-devel === toma [n=toma@84-53-90-221.wxdsl.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:09] <_Sime> Riddell: are you aware that https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuKDEMedia still has patches that need to be put into KDE? [05:10] _Sime: yep [05:14] _Sime: what would happen if an audio cd is inserted and opens up in Konqueror with /media instead of media:/ ? === _Sime_ [n=konversa@ip54579d1b.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:22] Riddell: is it me or isn't "sudo echo bla > foo" working ? [05:22] Riddell: I get a non autorized message [05:23] hm.. working here... [05:24] Jucato: try > on a file you don't have permissions :) [05:24] oh :) [05:24] lol [05:25] Jucato: for example sudo echo "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper multiverse" >> /etc/apt/sources.list [05:25] that fails here [05:25] I can echo in a script ans sudo the script but that's all I can do here [05:26] confirmed... [05:29] Tonio_: that's not how sudo works [05:29] Tonio_: it's never worked [05:30] Tonio_: echo doesn't need sudo access to stdout [05:30] Tonio_: it's the parent bash (handling the redirection) that needs the escalation [05:30] Tonio_: try using sudo su -c "echo blah > foo" instead === yuriy [n=yuriy@dhcp-129-64-153-13.dorm.brandeis.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:31] <_Sime_> Jucato: Audio CD goes to audio:/, there is no other place in the FS. [05:31] sudo su -c "echo 'deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper multiverse' >> /etc/apt/sources.list" [05:34] rawr... why doesn't my audiocd:/ work... :( [05:34] jdong: I've done via a script, that's the same :) [05:34] :) [05:35] _Sime_: for now, clicking on the Audio CD icon on the desktop opens up media:/ [05:35] Riddell: per our discussion the other day about flash drives being mounted with sync, I've found that FAT32 is not mounted sync, while ext3 is. I've tested with multiple media types. [05:36] Riddell: so therein lies my problem at the library, everyone's FAT32 flash drives are getting fragged becaue they pull them after the unmounting window disappears (like I told them to do), only it's still writing. [05:37] LeeJunFan: curious, have you checked if it's the same in gnome? [05:38] Riddell: no I haven't. I'm going to follow up on it a bit later - I'll let you know what I can find out about it. [05:38] Tonio_: Leo responded to the bugreport directly, can you discuss it directly with him? [05:39] <_Sime_> Jucato: The desktop icons still need work. (TODO) [05:39] ah ok :) [05:42] toma: not now gimme a moment, but yes I'd like to discuss with him [05:42] toma: will do === DaSkreech [n=skreech@196.1.142.242] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:46] hunger: Riddell: the script is ready and should handle kde, gnome or any other DM ;) [06:07] nice! :) [06:07] I included xterm + Xdialog script in case nore kde or gnome is installed [06:07] will be ugly but working === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:08] Tonio_: so it will also install xdialog in KDE, and xterm and xdialog in GNOME? [06:08] Tonio_: could you pastebin it? [06:08] Jucato: no [06:08] Riddell: sure gimme a minute === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@s64-186-37-84.skycon.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:10] Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23138 [06:14] Tonio_: looks good [06:14] Riddell: I'm testing the different combinasons and uploading if it is okay [06:14] Riddell: the code could be better but gnome guys can do it if they want ;) === insanekane [n=kane@202.83.34.198] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:16] Tonio_: it might be worth asking about the progress of the spec that does the same thing for gstreamer, mvo was the man I think [06:17] Riddell: will do === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@186.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mentro [i=nocti@dial.dyn.151.244.surfsterisp.com] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Bye] [06:38] Riddell: the synaptic install command doesn't work... [06:38] Riddell: any idea what is the equivalent of adept_batch ? [06:38] gnome-app-install I think ? [06:38] isn't gnome-app-install = adept_installer ? === Hawkwind [n=SoS@ulteo/community/leader/forum/admin/Hawkwind] has joined #Kubuntu-Devel [06:42] Jucato: I think yes [06:43] Tonio_: ask mvo [06:43] it's synaptic something [06:43] it's synaptic something :) [06:44] Riddell: okay [06:45] synaptic man page should get love I think :) === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rouzic_ [n=rouzic@253.Red-88-10-62.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === doelman [n=doelman@dsl-46015.solcon.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:05] yop raphink [07:06] yop Tonio_ [07:09] _Sime_: ping ? === ZuZuu [n=ZuZubunt@AVelizy-154-1-49-202.w82-124.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lnxkde [n=lnxkde@206.248.117.136] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato [n=jucato@58.69.26.162] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === marseillai [n=mars_@AMarseille-256-1-37-144.w90-0.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jdong_ [n=jdong@d192-24-235-141.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:21] raphink, still around? [07:22] yes seth|away :) [07:23] raphink, I think I need re-approved for REVU since you guys moved to the new Launchpad-based system :) [07:24] I uploaded a package last night and it never showed up [07:24] Tonio: what's ... ? [07:24] seth|away: are you in the ubuntu-universe-contributors group on LP? [07:24] raphink, yes [07:24] let me see [07:25] https://launchpad.net/people/seth [07:25] i'll update the keyring seth|away [07:25] it'll take a few minutes [07:25] thank you raphink :) [07:25] yeah, I just joined, so that's most likely it [07:26] should I reupload, or will it magically appear after you update the gpg keyring [07:26] Tonio_: never mind ;) [07:29] yay raphink, now I have nice gpg output :) [07:30] Is edgy Shipping with SMART? [07:30] seth: :) [07:30] thanks for your time === seth reuploads his package [07:30] seth: no need to reupload [07:31] ah [07:31] it's up already [07:31] okay [07:31] ah, so it is === lnxkde [n=lnxkde@206.248.117.136] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:32] Hi lnxkde [07:33] allee: I was searching for the wikicode to bar text [07:33] allee: works on some wikis but not ubuntu's [07:34] Tonio_: ah, 'k [07:34] never tried this [07:36] allee: ;) === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@s64-186-37-84.skycon.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === DaSkreech [n=skreech@72.27.128.34] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:45] wow... openoffice is pretty useless in edgy, isn't it :P === jdong_ just found the crash-on-save bug [07:45] the... hard way [07:57] fabo: do you have any plans for updated icecc packages? [07:58] on a fresh install of knot2, is anyone else seeing problems where katapult is not enabled by default? [07:58] jjesse_: known issue, fixed too [07:58] ok [07:59] <_Sime_> anyone here know about packaging policies for Python modules? [08:00] _Sime_: a bit [08:00] <_Sime_> Riddell: do you know much about how Debian/Ubuntu handle modules and the incompatible Python ABI? [08:01] <_Sime_> Riddell: are C modules always packaged for 2.3 and 2.4 in one package? [08:01] <_Sime_> Riddell: or do you have multiple versions of the same module for the different python version? [08:01] _Sime_: different binary packages === pascalFR [i=DfTH7rUd@cha92-7-82-230-174-61.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:02] so you have python2.4-foo and python2.3-foo [08:02] <_Sime_> ok [08:02] <_Sime_> We are up to discussing BC and Python versions on the PyKDE list. [08:03] <_Sime_> I want to make things as backwards compat as possible in KDE 4 for Python modules and apps that use binary modules etc. [08:04] <_Sime_> and python-foo points to the current pythonX.Y-foo package? y/n? [08:05] _Sime_: yes [08:05] <_Sime_> ok, I think I understand it enough. [08:06] <_Sime_> the question on the list is should sip maintain BC between KDE versions, or doesn't it matter thanks to the python module ABI changes. === ryanakca [n=ryan@unaffiliated/ryanakca] has joined #kubuntu-devel === sitter [n=me@M3139P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:22] Knot 3 is this week? [08:24] DaSkreech: apparently :) [08:26] that's why I'm hoping nixternal will show up :) [08:26] ya, where is that jerk anyways? [08:26] oh wait, here I am [08:26] heh [08:26] no need to fear, nixternal, is here (physically, obviously not mentally) [08:27] nixternal: will you be able to do us a Knot 3 page? [08:27] knot 3 is thursday, and of course we will be rocking [08:27] you know it Riddell ;) [08:27] i will start it today of course, and it will be rather extravagant [08:28] when is the freeze btw? [08:28] hwdb, hibernate on logout, sime's new gamma page on displayconfig, powermanager changes and kwwii's new artwork when it comes [08:28] don't know when freeze is [08:38] got it...gonna go do some stuff [08:38] bbiab === Tonio___ [n=tonio@186.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:39] nixternal: amarok 1.4.3 [08:39] oh ya..almost forgot about that ;) [08:39] Konversation 1? or was that in Edgy 2 [08:39] actually..no i didn't add it..it is going in this one as well [08:40] good plan [08:40] when did ktorrent 2 go in? [08:40] it might not have === nixternal adds it to the list [08:40] 2.0.1 is in [08:41] new kernel... that deserves mention :) [08:41] ya, and how it breaks my laptop ;) [08:42] qcomicbook got in? [08:42] nixternal: hehe === Ingmar^ [n=ingmar@d51A48ECC.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ryanakca [n=ryan@d226-26-139.home.cgocable.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rouzic [n=rouzic@253.Red-88-10-62.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ryanakca [n=ryan@d226-26-139.home.cgocable.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:14] kwwii_: ping [09:14] where's that new kubuntu logo of yours? [09:15] Riddell: andre sends me a mail yesterday about icecc 0.7.12 [09:16] Riddell: how big? there is http://bootsplash.org/kubuntu.sponsorpage.ken.png [09:16] fabo: any plans for packaging it? the akademy dude needs packages [09:16] Riddell: i prepared it but it seems there's a bug in postint script [09:16] kwwii_: needs a transparent background [09:17] Riddell: ok, I can make one, how big? [09:17] i'll upload it today, keeping the bug on my TODO list [09:17] kwwii_: 200 wide [09:20] Is there a hardware browser in Kubuntu? === ryanakca [n=ryan@d226-26-139.home.cgocable.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:23] DaSkreech: no [09:23] but kde-hal-device-manager is in universe [09:23] ok [09:24] testing for edgy? === sitter is now known as aplg [09:27] Riddell: http://bootsplash.org/kubuntu_logo_201x53.png [09:27] for some reason inkscape would not export it at 200 [09:27] that's fine :) === Parkotron [n=parker@dyn129-100-97-90.bc.uwo.ca] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:42] KDE needs a flower planting app === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neoncode [n=neoncode@unaffiliated/neoncode] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:47] DaSkreech: KFlower-planter [09:48] I've been beaten to it? [09:48] Riddell: sync request for icecc ? [09:49] fabo: once it's in debian of course [09:49] DaSkreech: no, no, *luckily* you still have time [09:49] uploaded, i can do the sync request ;) [09:50] fabo: you rock [09:50] kwwii_: Sweet. one of those totoally ridiculous apps that you love using but has no real value or use [09:50] :) [09:51] DaSkreech: most important is that it starts with a K [09:51] I was trying to think out a good name for it [09:52] Something with Garden [09:52] Any lanaguge spells Garden with a K? :) [09:52] none that I know of [09:52] rosegarden [09:52] ;) [09:53] Well maybe I can get the gwenview lawyers to get GardenView submitted to KDE :) [10:01] I'm sick of those distros releasing with xgl and kde [10:02] like opensuse or mandriva... [10:02] using compiz and kde is currently a nonsense.......... [10:02] Well they have gnome as well [10:02] And it's now all nonesense :) [10:02] It make the Compiz guys realize that KDE is in demand [10:03] DaSkreech: yes but they are implementing compiz on kde, using gnome-window-decorator [10:03] configuration is done via gconf etc.......; [10:03] Yeah I know [10:03] DaSkreech: that results an unthemable desktop..... [10:03] What we really need is to crack the whip and wave a sign pointint out that kwin has compositing support as well as a plugin structure [10:03] why not wait a bit for kde4 simply ? [10:03] are theu so affraid of vista ? [10:03] A bit = a year? [10:04] DaSkreech: and ? ;) [10:04] I've been using a computer without 3D desktop for 10 years ;) [10:04] I get itchy if stuff is out for two months [10:04] Must.... have.... new [10:04] I can wait one more to get something nicelly implemented instead of that nasty hack like opensuse [10:05] Well Suse has always done nasty hacks [10:05] DaSkreech: the problem is so does mandriva [10:11] Well wait for a year then Kubuntu will crush them [10:11] simple :) [10:12] DaSkreech: is there a "gardensKape" app yet? ;) [10:12] nixternal: Brilliant!! [10:12] i will sell it to ya ;) [10:12] YOu can plant flowers and watch them grow and pull out weeds [10:12] it will cost you === DaSkreech wonders if he should introduce bugs into his app ^_^ [10:12] FREE ;) [10:13] can you afford that? ;) [10:13] http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=gardenskape&btnG=Google+Search [10:13] nothing with 'gardensKape' online [10:14] now that is a good name [10:14] ohhhh, yeah baby [10:16] yep Time to fill up that page :) [10:16] hehe === nixternal took a Horticulture course in college [10:17] and when you design anything in the garden, it was called gardenscape, and when you did it for your yard or your land, it was called landscape ;) go figure ;) [10:17] cool You can tell me what makes sense to take note of in flowers and fruits [10:17] Like water and temp etc [10:17] damn [10:17] hehe [10:17] Heehee [10:17] i just stuck my foot in my mouth didn't i? [10:17] hahaha [10:17] Make sure it wasn't fertilized [10:17] Tonio_: transkode package done ? === nixternal takes mental note...."KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT!" [10:17] nixternal: I mean, you took one course in it, why can't you help? [10:17] :p [10:18] i took many courses..i actually have a landscapers certificate ;) [10:18] part of the fun times in the navy i guess [10:18] hehe [10:18] a lanscaper in the navy, that makes sense [10:18] hahaha [10:18] funny thing was..i started the courses on a ship as well [10:19] i remember picking flowers in Gibraltor for the course as a matter of fact [10:19] plants as well [10:19] lol === aplg is now known as apachelogger [10:19] i remember one of them damn monkeys at the top of gibraltor stealing my beer and my shirt i bought at a store there === marseillai [n=mars_@AMarseille-256-1-37-144.w90-0.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:22] fabo: nope, I was just thinking about doing one, but I didn't yet :) === fabo push on TODO [10:23] Tonio_: i'll ping you if i find time to do it before you :) [10:24] fabo: hehe okay :) [10:24] fabo: I prefer spending time to track bugs currently [10:24] like kdeprint that doesn't work for me at least === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jdong sets new GNOME sounds as his KDE ones :) === Ingmar^ [n=ingmar@d51A48ECC.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:52] jdong: the new Ubuntu sounds are nice aren't they? [10:53] nixternal: I LOVE them :) [10:53] i used to have the Microsoft sound thing...but 4 seconds into it, and an old ladies voice would pop up and say "STFU Already!" [10:54] seeing as I hardly ever have to "reboot", the sounds don't matter to me ;) [10:54] I like the KDE logout sound, too.... [10:54] in that it makes fun of the XP bug [10:54] that is the difference between Kubuntu sounds and Microsoft sounds..people don't even realise the sounds in kubuntu, as you never have to reboot it..whereas with a Windows box, it is like someone turned on the "repeat" function of a CD player ;) [10:54] lol [10:55] the MS startup/shutdown sounds are all too obnoxious IMO [10:55] I love it in computer labs when someone accidentally has their speakers on [11:35] Riddell: I think about removing the "ignore cups error messages" patch to kdelibs [11:35] Riddell: it make current kdeprint debugging almost impossible [11:36] Riddell: may I put it in "old patches" folder ? === jdong kicks ubuntuforums database server === jott_ [n=j@unaffiliated/jott] has joined #kubuntu-devel === superstoned [n=supersto@165-234.surfsnel.dsl.internl.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:58] later guys [12:05] http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3093 << new polyester if anyone wants to review, cheers