[01:07] <Tm_T> \o/
[01:07] <Tm_T> I got gprs working in linux :)
[01:19] <kwwii> Chupa Chups logo.The Chupa Chups logo was designed by the surrealist Salvador Dal.
[01:19] <kwwii> never knew that
[01:19] <Tm_T> :o
[01:19] <Tm_T> every day is chance to learn something new :)
[01:23] <kwwii> no shit
[01:23] <Tm_T> sherlock
[01:23] <kwwii> :-)
[01:24] <Tm_T> or, what you think, dr watson?
[01:24] <Tm_T> ;--P
[01:32] <claydoh> mmm chupa chups
[01:32] <claydoh> tasty and  dirt cheap
[01:32] <Tm_T> ok, should be awake in 3 and 1/2 hours from now, good night ->
[02:20] <kwwii> night all
[02:48] <bddebian> Howdy
[04:28] <Hobbsee> hi all
[04:49] <Hobbsee> heh.  here's teh first logout bug.
[04:50] <Hobbsee> and it's fixed :D
[08:28] <Hobbsee> hey all
[08:28] <Jucato> Hobbsee!!! :)
[08:29] <Hobbsee> Jucato!!! :)
[08:29] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: shutdown is still borked.
[08:29] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i tried it a couple of hours ago
[08:32] <Jucato> Hobbsee: doesn't the Live CD have no password for the user "ubuntu"?
[08:32] <imbrandon> the password is "ubuntu" also
[08:32] <Hobbsee> Jucato: apparently it's ubuntu, i'm not sureabout that
[08:33] <Jucato> ah ok. coz when I log out from the Live CD, I don't need to enter a password. but when the session is locked, it doesn't accept any password, blank or "ubuntu"... oh well :)
[08:35] <Hobbsee> hey Lure_ 
[08:35] <Hobbsee> Jucato: that's what i found, i was hoping they'd fixed that
[08:35] <Lure_> hi Hobbsee
[08:35] <Jucato> I'll try again in the Edgy Live CD. that was on Dapper
[08:35] <Jucato> (sorry I didn't specify...)
[11:31] <Tonio_> yo
[11:55] <freeflying> can't upload to edgy's universe now
[11:59] <Riddell> why not?
[12:21] <Tonio_> freeflying: universe freeze is for 09/26 afaik
[12:21] <Tonio_> hi Riddell
[12:21] <Tonio_> and freeflying :)
[12:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: concerning bug 59134
[12:43] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 59134 in kdebase "upstart doesn't obey /etc/default/halt" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/59134
[12:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: looking at kdm sources, the command is hardcoded.
[12:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: should be change the commande directly, or do we need to parse /etc/default/halt ?
[12:44] <Tonio_> cause is we can hardcode the function, I can yo it, but I can't code the /etc/default/halt parsing
[12:45] <Tonio_> ./config.def:# define HALT_CMD  "/usr/sbin/halt"
[12:45] <Tonio_> here it is in the sources
[12:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: done a patch for config.def file and testing
[12:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: hehe :)
[12:58] <Tonio_> yop kwwii_ !
[12:59] <kwwii_> moin Tonio_
[01:00] <kwwii_> hi Riddell
[01:00] <Tonio_> kwwii_: fine ?
[01:00] <kwwii_> Tonio_: yepp, doing very well, you?
[01:00] <Riddell> hi kwwii_ 
[01:00] <kwwii_> today is my 9th wedding anniversary
[01:00] <Tonio_> hum, my little adorable and funky dog is dead yesterday....
[01:01] <kwwii_> Tonio_: oh no...sorry to hear that
[01:01] <kwwii_> I can be your puppy :-)
[01:01] <Tonio_> kwwii_: that happens, he had an heart attack so he didn't suffer a lot, that's the good point
[01:01] <Tonio_> kwwii_: congrats for you ;)
[01:08] <kwwii_> ouch
[01:09] <kwwii_> my sisters dog died on the weekend
[01:12] <Riddell> kwwii_: how are you going to celebrate?
[01:12] <Tonio_> kwwii_: going in a good restaurant I assume ?
[01:12] <Tonio_> at least
[01:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: I was looking at bluez config
[01:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: hidd is disabled by default, which makes connection to mice and keyboard almost complicated
[01:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: shouldn't we activate it ?
[01:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: once activated, you just have to sudo hidd --connect your peripherical once and for all, it'll work at reboot forever
[01:14] <Riddell> Tonio_: sounds like we should be it might be a security issue
[01:14] <kwwii_> hehe, my son is here...so we wil celebrate some other day :-)
[01:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: as long as we still have to connect it manually once at least, is that security issue ?
[01:14] <Riddell> that sounds like it's more than enough security
[01:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's my opinion
[01:14] <Riddell> Tonio_: you should ask pitti
[01:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: will do thanks :)
[01:15] <kwwii_> Riddell: I am putting together new artwork for knot3....I will give it to you all at once, instead of piece by piece, ok?
[01:15] <Riddell> kwwii_: sure
[01:21] <kwwii_> maybe one of you could fly to germany and take care of my son tonight while we go out? :-)
[01:21] <Riddell> send him and a plane to edinburgh, me and sivan will look after him
[01:22] <kwwii_> ;-)
[01:29] <Tonio_> kwwii_: how about the usplash "background stretched to window" bug ?
[01:29] <Tonio_> kwwii_: any news on that point ?
[01:30] <Tonio_> kwwii_: the really strange thing is that it works with other usplash themes provided....
[01:30] <Tonio_> kwwii_: I'll try to play with it a bit today
[01:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay, according to pitti activating this looks possible as long as mdz agrees, since it is a feature request ;)
[01:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: I will also ping doko today concerning python 2.5 and kdedistutils issue
[01:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm thinking about patching kdebluetooth to allow right-click connect on a hidd peripherical you can see in bluetooth:/
[01:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: shouldn't be hard to do and would make connection really easier
[01:49] <kwwii_> Tonio_: I cannot even find anyone who has the new usplash running
[01:50] <kwwii_> Tonio_: kinda hard to test, if you know what I mean
[01:50] <Tonio_> kwwii_: with usplash yes ;)
[01:50] <Tonio_> kwwii_: but I was wrong, talking about kdm theme, and moodin ;)
[01:50] <Tonio_> s/usplash/moodin concerning my previous messages......
[01:51] <kwwii_> Riddell: we talked about that in wiesbaden...can you change that to scale the pic?
[01:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: : the point is it should be scaled by default, as for the default moodin theme
[01:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: can be due to your patch then...
[01:55] <Riddell> it's on my todo to look at
[01:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: great ;)
[01:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: I just noticed there is no "hide button" on kicker anymore
[01:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: is that wanted stuff ?
[01:55] <Riddell> we got rid of it
[01:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay :)
[01:56] <kwwii_> here are 3 technical improvements for the window deco....what do you think?
[01:56] <kwwii_> turn off shadowed text in windodeco
[01:56] <kwwii_> change window border to 3
[01:57] <kwwii_> round top corners
[01:58] <Riddell> I've not done rounded corners because they're not antialiased and look ugly
[01:58] <Riddell> others I don't really have an opinion on 
[01:59] <kwwii_> Riddell: if we pick the right outline color for the window it doesn't look nasty
[02:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: testing kdm patched now....
[02:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: patch works :)
[02:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: also we have another way to do it, by patching kdmrc file too, and set alternative command to shutdown instead of changing the default...
[02:32] <Tonio_> I think changing the default is more clear, but what would you suggest ?
[02:32] <Hobbsee> hey all
[02:32] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: this is for shutdown?
[02:32] <Tonio_> hey Hobbsee
[02:32] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yep, I patched kdm and it works like a charm
[02:32] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: nice :D
[02:33] <Riddell> Tonio_: if it works how you've done it lets go with that :)
[02:33] <Riddell> Tonio_: fancy working out how to change the kdm default background too?
[02:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, and patching /etc/ files is a policy violation, so better upload a standard source patch :)
[02:33] <Hobbsee> bah.  policy only exists to be broken.  *g*
[02:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: I already done that
[02:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: I set the kdm default background the the kubuntu-wallpaper :)
[02:34] <Riddell> groovy
[02:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: ;)
[02:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: I did that with kdebase (4:3.5.4-0ubuntu15) upload
[02:38] <Riddell> thanks
[02:39] <kwwii_> Riddell: is knot3 going to be packaged tonight?
[02:39] <Riddell> kwwii_: wednesday
[02:40] <kwwii_> hehe, cool
[02:40] <Jucato> oooh knot 3 :)
[02:41] <verwilst> hello!
[02:41] <verwilst> http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-backports@lists.ubuntu.com/msg01136.html <- here you can see my request got accepted to ubuntu-backports
[02:41] <verwilst> but it's not in the repo :p
[02:42] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: kdebase uploaded so halt issue will be resolved quick
[02:42] <Hobbsee> verwilst: soyuz is still a little broken, with backports, it seems
[02:42] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: nice.  i look forward to not calling sudo /sbin/poweroff each time i shut down :)
[02:43] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: hehe
[02:44] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: mainly because most of the time i forget, so rigth click, logout, remember and kill g-p-m, right click logout again, then remember that that doestn actually work, so find a konsole and sudo /sbin/poweroff
[02:44] <Jucato> yay! no more quitting g-p-m to be able to logout/restart/shutdown normally?
[02:45] <verwilst> soyuz?
[02:45] <Tonio_> Jucato: with next kdebase update, it should be okay yes
[02:45] <Jucato> nice :)
[02:45] <Jucato> who do I ask about the media:/ stuff btw? imbrandon?
[02:46] <Hobbsee> verwilst: build system
[02:46] <Hobbsee> Jucato: er, Tonio_ would be a good one to whinge at :P
[02:47] <Jucato> heh :)
[02:47] <verwilst> oh oki :)
[02:48] <Tonio_> Jucato: _Sime is the man concerning media:/
[02:48] <Jucato> oh thanks
[02:48] <Jucato> audiocd:/ doesn't seem to be working on Edgy...
[02:49] <Hobbsee> ah....
[02:49] <Tonio_> debuggers required : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuEdgyKnownProblems
[02:49] <Tonio_> add your bugs is I missed important ones too
[02:49] <Hobbsee> oh yeah, i was supposed to add to that...
[02:49] <Jucato> ok. I'll check if it's been filed first :)
[02:50] <Jucato> Hobbsee: which one? audiocd:/ not working?
[02:52] <Hobbsee> Jucato: all the ones i was supposed to
[02:52] <Jucato> :)
[02:55] <Hobbsee> https://launchpad.net/bugs/59007 
[02:55] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 59007 in amarok "Install MP3 support not working in Ubuntu" [Untriaged,Confirmed]  
[02:56] <Hobbsee> https://launchpad.net/bugs/56206
[02:56] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 56206 in kdebase "kpersonalizer (the first time wizard) starts every time I start KDE" [Untriaged,Confirmed]  
[02:56] <Tonio_> Jucato: audiocd:/ works here
[02:56] <Jucato> aw shucks...
[02:56] <Jucato> :(
[02:56] <Tonio_> Jucato: I'm just ripping a cd to ogg ;)
[02:56] <Jucato> Tonio_: heh :) maybe after an update
[02:57] <Tonio_> Jucato: hum, I don't see any update I would have and you won't ;)
[02:57] <Jucato> Hobbsee:  that second one is the one you've tried to work on right?
[02:57] <Hobbsee> yeah
[02:58] <Hobbsee> https://launchpad.net/bugs/58552
[02:58] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 58552 in kubuntu-meta "Mounting Problems in Kubuntu Edgy after the Xserver is restarted" [Untriaged,Confirmed]  
[02:58] <Jucato> Tonio_: I don't know. I haven't fetched updates for about 5 hours?
[02:58] <Jucato> Hobbsee: oh darn! I forgot to close that bug
[02:58] <Jucato> hold on I'll reboot into Edgy and confirm if it's been fixed...
[02:59] <eean> Hobbsee: unsolicited advice: wouldn't it make sense to have some generic way of calling kdesu/gksudo, konsole/gnome-terminal
[02:59] <Hobbsee> eean: true that
[03:01] <Hobbsee> eean: define generic - ie, across kde, across kde/gnome/xfce/etc, across amarok?
[03:02] <eean> Hobbsee: well you know, accross the distro
[03:02] <Hobbsee> eean: across kubuntu?  there already is.  across ubuntu/kubuntu/xubuntu?  yeah, i see your point.  something apart from sudo.
[03:02] <eean> doesn't debian/ubuntu already do stuff like that?
[03:02] <Hobbsee> eean: i mean, everything could just call sudo, but they seem not to like doing that.
[03:02] <eean> with other programs
[03:02] <Hobbsee> how do they do it?
[03:03] <eean> I dunno, I don't use debian :P. but like gentoo has eselect for picking what java runtime environment to use.
[03:04] <eean> so hmm yea my /usr/bin/java is a bash script which reads that configuration
[03:04] <jdong> whoo!
[03:04] <Hobbsee> https://launchpad.net/bugs/30207
[03:05] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 30207 in kdebase "media:/ does not handle floppy mounting correctly" [Medium,Confirmed]  
[03:05] <jdong> maybe his kdm wil start shutting down right soon :)
[03:05] <Jucato> yay klipper and adept_notifier now starts up properly! and I can logout normally, too! :)
[03:05] <Tonio_> jdong: hehe :) note that the patch isn't perfect actually, I just discovered I also have to patch kcontrol, since the connection manager still propose /sbin/halt by default
[03:05] <Jucato> Hobbsee: the unmounting problem still hasn't been solved... :(
[03:05] <Tonio_> jdong: no impact as long as you don't tweak, but that needs to be fixed too
[03:06] <jdong> :)
[03:06] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: that'll do for a start
[03:06] <Hobbsee> Jucato: that bug report has some upstream stuff that looks useful
[03:06] <eean> Hobbsee: its just your solution reminded me of klik. which is a horrible bash hack, and your idea is actually a lot better. :)
[03:06] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: sure, but I'll gonna improve the patch to avoid this kind of problem ;)
[03:06] <jdong> whee! klik!
[03:06] <Hobbsee> eean: heh.  which idea was this sorry?
[03:06] <eean> calm down jdong 
[03:07] <jdong> lol
[03:07] <jdong> klik was fun while it lasted
[03:07] <Tonio_> jdong: klik is a toy, absolutly not of any use ...
[03:07] <Tonio_> look at citrix, that's something professionnal :)
[03:07] <eean> Hobbsee: to try one program and then the second if the first isn't in the path
[03:07] <jdong> Tonio_: I know, I know...
[03:08] <Tonio_> although citrix also has its own issues, but that's something really usable, at least
[03:08] <Hobbsee> eean: ahhh.  yes
[03:08] <eean> Hobbsee: whereas klik did this thing where what they run is dependent on whether they, via bash hacks, determines whether your running kde or gnome
[03:09] <Hobbsee> eean: ewwww....
[03:09] <Tonio_> this kcontrol module is a shit........ it should read the default kdm value instead of hardcoding its own one
[03:09] <jdong> :)
[03:09] <Jucato> :)
[03:09] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:10] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: rewrite it?  :P  *ducks*
[03:10] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I whish I could do so :) but I can't
[03:10] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: if you wanna see something horrible, look at klipper code :)
[03:10] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: we discovered an horrible thing with Riddell
[03:10] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: hah.  i'll be right.  they didnt build it with yada or checkinstall too, did they?  :P
[03:10] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: oh?
[03:10] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: klipper doesn't use .po file for translation
[03:11] <Hobbsee> eh?  what does it use then?
[03:11] <Tonio_> upstream uses a klipperrc.desktop file for config containing all string, so that kde translation system uses it to translate it as a desktop file
[03:11] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: then the file is installed as klipperrc and contains the full translation for all laguages :)
[03:11] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: isn't that horrible ? ^^
[03:12] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: *ouch*
[03:12] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: that's highly evil.
[03:12] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yup ;)
[03:12] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: did the k3b stuff (ie, not needing to run as root for all functionality) get fixed?
[03:12] <Riddell> Tonio_: ? tha is what we were discussing the other day
[03:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes ;)
[03:13] <Jucato> Tonio_: audiocd:/ doesn't work here but media:/hdc (hdc is my cd drive) works exactly like audiocd:/
[03:13] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: it is also the reason of the klipper crash we had, since the build system hacks desktop files on the fly, but isn't supposed to hack rc files hehe
[03:13] <Tonio_> Jucato: yes, I can use both here
[03:13] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: yep.  heh
[03:13] <Tonio_> media:/scd0 and audiocd:/ both are working
[03:14] <Tonio_> Jucato: I have sata hardware
[03:14] <Jucato> ugh...
[03:14] <jdong> grr... 
[03:14] <jdong> note to self: don't run azureus on Windows with 512MB RAM... not ... good.. idea...
[03:14] <Jucato> Tonio_: mine isn't SATA, though...
[03:15] <jdong> is it bad for my HD to be at 89 degrees C?
[03:15] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: concernint k3b, I think it has been resolved, as the need to configure it too
[03:15] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: everything is supposed to work out of the box afaik
[03:15] <Hobbsee> right, cool
[03:21] <Hobbsee> i mean...isnt that an oxymoron?
[03:22] <Hobbsee> freeze soon, too
[03:28] <jdong> Hobbsee: what do you mean, non-destructive install?
[03:29] <Hobbsee> jdong: there's a thread on ubuntu-devel - they want to only format certain sections, or just install most things over the top of the current install
[03:29] <jdong> ah
[03:29] <Hobbsee> seems sensible to put /home on a separate partition, and format /, but....
[03:29] <Hobbsee> anything else...
[03:29] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: concerning bug 59007, that gnome issue, not kubuntu one :)
[03:29] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 59007 in amarok "Install MP3 support not working in Ubuntu" [Untriaged,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/59007
[03:29] <jdong> Hobbsee: what about a mode that rm -rf everything but /home, then do an install?
[03:29] <Jucato> I was thinking about that too. seems like he installed Amarok on GNOME?
[03:29] <jdong> Hobbsee: mepis supports that
[03:29] <Tonio_> .desktop file concerning this should be "onlyshowinkde"
[03:29] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: true, but it's an amarok bug.
[03:29] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: amarok ?
[03:29] <Hobbsee> jdong: ask in the thread or something?
[03:30] <Jucato> Tonio_: yes. Amarok on GNOME
[03:30] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: isn't that simply installing libxine-extracodecs ?
[03:30] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: the install-mp3 script, which is in amarok
[03:30] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: yep
[03:30] <Tonio_> I don't see the point with amarok
[03:30] <jdong> Hobbsee: ha. mailing list.. you know how much catharsis it took for me to start using IRC? :P
[03:30] <Tonio_> that's xine relative
[03:30] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: Riddell required us to use amarok batch install for it.  also, they dont have kdesu in gnome.
[03:30] <eean> its only activated with xine yea
[03:30] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: ah ! isn't the script in adept app-install ?
[03:31] <Tonio_> I though that was the way to install it
[03:31] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: nope, it's in amarok.  iv'e fixed the script twice :D
[03:31] <Tonio_> stupid adding this in amarok only, since global solution in application installer would be far easier to handle, no ?
[03:31] <eean> Hobbsee: could get a great backtrace for http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=132851 or find a user who could?
[03:31] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 132851 in knetwork "KResolver raises assert KResolverWorkerBase::acquireResolver(): Assertion `th != 0L' failed" [Crash,New]  
[03:32] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: well, different apps require different packages, but that could be sane
[03:32] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: how to run that script in amarok ?
[03:32] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I'll fix
[03:32] <eean> remove extracodecs Tonio_ 
[03:32] <eean> and try to play an mp3
[03:33] <eean> it might work :)
[03:33] <Hobbsee> yeah, that's it
[03:33] <Tonio_> eean: okay, let's go :)
[03:33] <Hobbsee> eean: i dont have that sort of music shares, etc, available sorry - esp not at this time of night
[03:33] <Tonio_> ah ! if it works that way, look sane, indeed
[03:33] <Jucato> of course, you have to be in GNOME to experience the full bug, right?
[03:33] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: is the script hacking sources.list to add multiverse stuff ?
[03:34] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: yep
[03:34] <eean> Jucato: just chmod a-x some stuff :)
[03:34] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: okay cool :)
[03:34] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: let's go fixing
[03:34] <Jucato> go go go! :)
[03:34] <Tonio_> I just wonder why gnome guys are using amarok........ there are gtk clones now
[03:34] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: sounds cool, but i dont write python/bash scripting
[03:34] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: hehe, yeah.
[03:35] <Jucato> Tonio_: coz Amarok rox?
[03:35] <Tonio_> Jucato: well gtk clones also rock :)
[03:35] <Jucato> heh :)
[03:35] <eean> Hobbsee: it works with a DAAP server running of your own computer. but I was thinking you might know of some technically component kubuntu users.
[03:35] <eean> Tonio_: lies!
[03:35] <Hobbsee> eean: not offhand.  at this time of night, anyway.
[03:35] <eean> competent even
[03:35] <Tonio_> eean: http://www.exaile.org/
[03:35] <Tonio_> eean: that's an example
[03:35] <eean> yea I know Tonio_ 
[03:35] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: hehe.  careful, we've got an amarok developer on our hands.
[03:35] <eean> that developer is funny Tonio_ 
[03:36] <eean> he comments on amarok bugs
[03:36] <eean> and hangs out in #amarok sometimes
[03:36] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: something cloning a rocking stuff is de facto rocking ;)
[03:36] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: true that
[03:36] <Tonio_> eean: ah ;)
[03:36] <Tonio_> eean: how about listen-gnome too
[03:36] <eean> bmpx developer also comments on our bugs
[03:36] <Tonio_> looks pretty cool
[03:36] <eean> I don't understand these people!
[03:37] <eean> I don't comment on their bugs :)
[03:38] <Tonio_> eean: hehe, makes sense indeed
[03:42] <Jucato> Tonio_: btw, I forgot to ask, when I insert a CD, no dialog box pops up, and no Konqueror window/tab opens. All that happens is that an icon appears on the desktop. does that happen there, too? (or just my wacky hardware/system?)
[03:42] <Tonio_> Jucato: yeah that's known issue
[03:42] <Tonio_> Jucato: _Sime is working on this
[03:43] <Tonio_> Jucato: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuEdgyPackageUpdates
[03:43] <Tonio_> Jucato: in work :)
[03:43] <Tonio_> Jucato: oups https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-team/+packagebugs sorry
[03:43] <Jucato> ah ok. I was beginning to think I was going crazy, since I found out that audiocd:/ works for you :)
[03:45] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:45] <Hobbsee> hey bddebian 
[03:46] <bddebian> Hi Hobbsee
[03:46] <Tonio_> yop bddebian ;)
[03:48] <bddebian> Hi Tonio_
[03:51] <_Sime> Tonio_: do you know when a new bunch of KDE packages will be put out for edgy?
[03:51] <Jucato> hi _Sime :)
[03:52] <_Sime> Hi
[03:52] <Tonio_> _Sime: in a few hours probably (0ubuntu18)
[03:52] <Tonio_> _Sime: why ?
[03:52] <Tonio_> _Sime: patches to apply ?
[03:55] <_Sime> Tonio_: well, there are patches on the KubuntuKDEMedia page that need to go into KDE.
[03:55] <Tonio_> _Sime: kool, I can do the package
[03:55] <Tonio_> it'll be 0ubuntu19
[03:55] <Jucato> yay! I'm not the only one saying "kool" :)
[03:55] <Tonio_> _Sime: fixes the pop non appearing issue ?
[03:57] <_Sime> Tonio_: yeah yeah.
[03:57] <Tonio_> _Sime: I have to apply the 2 patches in the pending section right ?
[03:57] <_Sime> Tonio_: I don't know if Riddell knows about that list of patches. imbrandom does though.
[03:57] <_Sime> Tonio_: yep
[03:58] <Tonio_> _Sime: okay I'm testing them and uploading if it's okay :)
[03:58] <_Sime> Tonio_: I've been working on fixing icons on the KDE desktop too.
[03:58] <Tonio_> _Sime: you rock !
[03:59] <_Sime> Tonio_: I was talking to Kevin, and he brought up some issues about my patches.
[03:59] <Tonio_> _Sime: great
[03:59] <_Sime> Tonio_: "Fast user switching" /  multiple sessions has issues.
[04:00] <Tonio_> _Sime: because of those patches ?
[04:00] <_Sime> Tonio_: like, which login gets the CDROM or usb pen when it is inserted...
[04:04] <jdong|laptop> oh, you guys are gonna get a laugh out of this one
[04:04] <jdong|laptop> my neighbor is probably the most Windows-y person you know
[04:05] <jdong|laptop> so he had this older computer, with no purpose, and I offered to show him Linux
[04:05] <jdong|laptop> I showed him Knoppix (as a competent LiveCD) *duck*
[04:05] <bddebian> You showed him a Kernel?
[04:05] <jdong|laptop> then installed Fedora for him
[04:05] <jdong|laptop> he wasn't too crazy about Fedora....
[04:06] <jdong|laptop> so I then installed Ubuntu for him
[04:06] <jdong|laptop> and his first reaction was... OMG!! It played a startup sound!
[04:06] <jdong|laptop> and he's now just loving Ubuntu.... because it played a freaking startup sound
[04:06] <Jucato> O_O
[04:06] <jdong|laptop> his hardware is supported by 100% OSS drivers
[04:06] <bddebian> hehe, sounds like a Windows user :-)
[04:06] <jdong|laptop> so in reality Ubuntu and Fedora are quite equivalent for him
[04:07] <jdong|laptop> at least in initial feel
[04:07] <jdong|laptop> but just because Ubuntu plays a startup sound and Fedora doesn't... he likes Ubuntu better
[04:07] <Jucato> heh :)
[04:07] <jdong|laptop> which leads me to Jucato's point....
[04:07] <jdong|laptop> where's our sexy new Kubuntu startup sounds?
[04:07] <jdong|laptop> I haven't DARED show the guy Edgy's new sound work
[04:08] <jdong|laptop> he'll definitely want Edgy then :P
[04:08] <Jucato> lol
[04:09] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:09] <Hobbsee> Jucato: if you poke Riddell hard enough, we might :)
[04:10] <Tonio_> _Sime: it looks like v3 patch in already in
[04:10] <Jucato> heh.. I tried poking him about increasing the current login sound's volume a bit. :)
[04:10] <Tonio_> _Sime: bad news, it doesn't correct the issue here...
[04:11] <Tonio_> _Sime: I don't understand...
[04:12] <_Sime> mmmm... ok
[04:12] <Tonio_> patch v3 is 09/06, and no changelog in kdebase concerning its update
[04:12] <Tonio_> but I compared the files, they are the same
[04:12] <Tonio_> _Sime: is the patch available on the wiki the good version ?
[04:13] <Tonio_> oups, 06/08
[04:13] <Tonio_> _Sime: isn't that a bit old to be the latest patch ? :)
[04:14] <Tonio_> _Sime: looks like the latest patch isn't on the wiki I think...
[04:19] <jdong|laptop> following Hobbsee's recommendations.......
[04:19] <Jucato> too late...
[04:19] <Jucato> :)
[04:20] <jdong|laptop> :)
[04:20] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:21] <Hobbsee> you might have to perform the great Riddell summoning ritual
[04:21] <jdong|laptop> I know he's here....
[04:21] <jdong|laptop> I know he heard me...
[04:21] <jdong|laptop> he's ignoring me
[04:21] <Hobbsee> Riddell: jdong|laptop says "ping"
[04:21] <Tonio_> _Sime: what is the date of the patch ? cause the v3 has been added on 22 Aug according to debian/changelog
[04:21] <Tonio_> _Sime: sounds a bit old isn't it ?
[04:21] <jdong|laptop> lol, good one, Hobbsee :)
[04:22] <Hobbsee> jdong|laptop: irssi tends to have dodgy support of nick notification
[04:22] <jdong|laptop> Riddell: oh, can we have new kubuntu startup sounds? please please please please please please please please?
[04:22] <Riddell> hmm?
[04:22] <jdong|laptop> please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please 
[04:22] <Hobbsee> hehe, there you go
[04:22] <jdong|laptop> ;)
[04:22] <Riddell> what's wrong with the current one?
[04:22] <jdong|laptop> it's lame?
[04:22] <Hobbsee> Riddell: it's very quiet
[04:22] <Jucato> Ubuntu has new ones? the current one is very quiet...
[04:22] <Hobbsee> and it's kinda boring.  bigger problem is that i'ts quiet
[04:23] <Jucato> (and we don't actually have a logout sound, aside from KDE's...)
[04:23] <jdong|laptop> and it needs to keep me entertained throughout the startup sequence
[04:23] <Jucato> lol
[04:23] <jdong|laptop> not announce that my celeron has taken its leisurely 35 seconds....
[04:23] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:23] <Hobbsee> *ouch*
[04:23] <Riddell> trouble with that is KDE plays the startup sound at the end of the startup sequence
[04:23] <Jucato> yes.. very strange, come to think of it...
[04:23] <jdong|laptop> Riddell: aw, a bit of autostart loving can fix that :)
[04:23] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what's the intended behaviour?
[04:24] <Riddell> Hobbsee: presumably as it is
[04:24] <Riddell> by the way kwwii_ handles artwork, I just do what he says
[04:24] <jdong|laptop> :)
[04:24] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right, so it's kwwii_ that gets bugged.
[04:25] <Riddell> and we have listened to the suggested startup sounds, and didn't like any of them
[04:25] <kwwii_> what? Riddell just does what I say!? oh, that changes things a bit
[04:25] <jdong|laptop> ah, I see
[04:25] <Jucato> aw...
[04:25] <Hobbsee> "you will do what i command"  :P
[04:25] <Jucato> lol
[04:25] <kwwii_> :p
[04:25] <Jucato> oh krap this is bad... i'm lol'ing irl...
[04:26] <kwwii_> if anyone has a good suggestion for the sounds, please offer them :-)
[04:26] <kwwii_> we listened to the new sounds and were not too impressed
[04:26] <kwwii_> in fact, ubuntu is using some of them and now they have complaints about them
[04:27] <Jucato> kwwii_: how about increasing the volume of kubunt-login.ogg just a bit?
[04:27] <Hobbsee> right.  freeze in 16-18 hours.  Tonio_, you seen that?
[04:28] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yes I know :)
[04:28] <kwwii_> Jucato: not sure how to do that...is it a configurable thing or would we have to edit the file and increase the gain somehow?
[04:28] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: cool :)
[04:28] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I'm on the amarok script now, looks easy to fix
[04:28] <Jucato> kwwii_: probaby edit the file itself. :(
[04:28] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: yeah, it looked sane.  just that i didnt know the coding language involved :P
[04:29] <Hobbsee> heh.  i found what i was after.  http://www.killourboss.com/problem.html
[04:29] <Hobbsee> well, what iv'e been looking for for a while - almost.
[04:29] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: bash :)
[04:29] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: point.
[04:30] <kwwii_> Jucato: we could try, but I would hate to mess it up
[04:30] <kwwii_> Jucato: or, we could ask the peron who made it to change it
[04:30] <Jucato> kwwii_: oh well. it was worth a suggestion :)
[04:30] <Hobbsee> kwwii_: why not suggest that Jucato has a try?
[04:30] <kwwii_> Jucato: it is a good point though, we can still look into that
[04:31] <Jucato> Hobbsee: lol. I tried.. ended up messing it :)
[04:31] <Hobbsee> awwww...
[04:31] <kwwii_> hey Jucato, why don't you try editing it? :-)
[04:31] <kwwii_> hehe
[04:31] <kwwii_> the author should really take care of that
[04:31] <kwwii_> Riddell: do you have the authors email address?
[04:32] <Riddell> kwwii_: of what?
[04:33] <Riddell> should be in debian/copyright
[04:34] <Riddell> but it's years old from kde-look, I don't know if I got a response when I e-mailed him
[04:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: what is the gtk equivalent to kdialog ?
[04:34] <Tonio_> gdialog ? ;)
[04:35] <jdong|laptop> lol
[04:35] <Jucato> zenity, I think...
[04:35] <Tonio_> this amarok script has been done by someone that doesn't even imagin gnome exists :)
[04:36] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: you mean to say it does?  *gasp*
[04:36] <Jucato> heh :)
[04:37] <Riddell> Tonio_: there isn't one
[04:37] <Riddell> Tonio_: oh, the command line app?  xdialog
[04:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: looks like zenity can do the job, I'm just reading at the man and it is okay isn't it ?
[04:39] <Riddell> Tonio_: what job?
[04:39] <Riddell> zenity seems to be the preferred one
[04:39] <Tonio_> kdialog equivalent :)
[04:40] <Riddell> Tonio_: are you doing install-mp3?
[04:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay, that's for amarok mp3 installer script I try to make gnome compatible.....
[04:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes
[04:40] <Riddell> ah hah
[04:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: the script is pure kde hardcoded stuff :)
[04:40] <Riddell> that's just the way I am, hardcoded KDE :)
[04:40] <Tonio_> instead of 3 things one, like if kde elif gnome else foo
[04:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: you did that ? ;)
[04:41] <Jucato> heh
[04:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: haha :)
[04:41] <Jucato> what will be used instead of Adept Batch?
[04:42] <kwwii_> Riddell: the sound files for startup, etc.
[04:43] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you forgot a crucial if condition though - the one about if (dm != kde)  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:43] <Jucato> lol
[04:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: Zenity]  doesn't have a yes/no option as of now.
[04:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: grmpf....... hard to make gnome equivalent it seems
[04:44] <Tonio_> that's required to add multiverse stuff
[04:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: echo deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper multiverse >> /etc/apt/sources.list' && apt-get update &&
[04:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: gb ??????????
[04:45] <Riddell> good as any other :)
[04:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes but well... :)
[04:52] <Hobbsee> night all
[04:53] <Jucato> argh.. wasn't able to say goodbye... :(
[04:54] <jjesse_> night hobbse
[04:58] <_Sime> Tonio_: The latest patches don't appear to be in kde...
[05:09] <_Sime> Riddell: are you aware that https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuKDEMedia still has patches that need to be put into KDE?
[05:10] <Riddell> _Sime: yep
[05:14] <Jucato> _Sime: what would happen if an audio cd is inserted and opens up in Konqueror with /media instead of media:/ ?
[05:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: is it me or isn't "sudo echo bla > foo" working ?
[05:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: I get a non autorized message
[05:23] <Jucato> hm.. working here...
[05:24] <Tonio_> Jucato: try > on a file you don't have permissions :)
[05:24] <Jucato> oh :)
[05:24] <Jucato> lol
[05:25] <Tonio_> Jucato: for example sudo echo "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper multiverse" >> /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:25] <Tonio_> that fails here
[05:25] <Tonio_> I can echo in a script ans sudo the script but that's all I can do here
[05:26] <Jucato> confirmed...
[05:29] <jdong> Tonio_: that's not how sudo works
[05:29] <Riddell> Tonio_: it's never worked
[05:30] <jdong> Tonio_: echo doesn't need sudo access to stdout
[05:30] <jdong> Tonio_: it's the parent bash (handling the redirection) that needs the escalation
[05:30] <jdong> Tonio_: try using sudo su -c "echo blah > foo" instead
[05:31] <_Sime_> Jucato: Audio CD goes to audio:/, there is no other place in the FS.
[05:31] <Jucato> sudo su -c "echo 'deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper multiverse' >> /etc/apt/sources.list"
[05:34] <Jucato> rawr... why doesn't my audiocd:/ work... :(
[05:34] <Tonio_> jdong: I've done via a script, that's the same :)
[05:34] <jdong> :)
[05:35] <Jucato> _Sime_: for now, clicking on the Audio CD icon on the desktop opens up media:/
[05:35] <LeeJunFan> Riddell: per our discussion the other day about flash drives being mounted with sync, I've found that FAT32 is not mounted sync, while ext3 is. I've tested with multiple media types.
[05:36] <LeeJunFan> Riddell: so therein lies my problem at the library, everyone's FAT32 flash drives are getting fragged becaue they pull them after the unmounting window disappears (like I told them to do), only it's still writing.
[05:37] <Riddell> LeeJunFan: curious, have you checked if it's the same in gnome?
[05:38] <LeeJunFan> Riddell: no I haven't. I'm going to follow up on it a bit later - I'll let you know what I can find out about it.
[05:38] <toma> Tonio_: Leo responded to the bugreport directly, can you discuss it directly with him?
[05:39] <_Sime_> Jucato: The desktop icons still need work. (TODO)
[05:39] <Jucato> ah ok :)
[05:42] <Tonio_> toma: not now gimme a moment, but yes I'd like to discuss with him
[05:42] <Tonio_> toma: will do 
[05:46] <DaSkreech> hunger: <M3 ing basket
[06:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: the script is ready and should handle kde, gnome or any other DM ;)
[06:07] <Jucato> nice! :)
[06:07] <Tonio_> I included xterm + Xdialog script in case nore kde or gnome is installed
[06:07] <Tonio_> will be ugly but working
[06:08] <Jucato> Tonio_: so it will also install xdialog in KDE, and xterm and xdialog in GNOME?
[06:08] <Riddell> Tonio_: could you pastebin it?
[06:08] <Tonio_> Jucato: no
[06:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: sure gimme a minute
[06:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23138
[06:14] <Riddell> Tonio_: looks good
[06:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm testing the different combinasons and uploading if it is okay
[06:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: the code could be better but gnome guys can do it if they want ;)
[06:16] <Riddell> Tonio_: it might be worth asking about the progress of the spec that does the same thing for gstreamer, mvo was the man I think
[06:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: will do
[06:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: the synaptic install command doesn't work...
[06:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: any idea what is the equivalent of adept_batch ?
[06:38] <Tonio_> gnome-app-install I think ?
[06:38] <Jucato> isn't gnome-app-install = adept_installer ?
[06:42] <Tonio_> Jucato: I think yes
[06:43] <Riddell> Tonio_: ask mvo
[06:43] <Riddell> it's synaptic something
[06:43] <jdong> it's synaptic something :)
[06:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay
[06:45] <Tonio_> synaptic man page should get love I think :)
[07:05] <Tonio_> yop raphink
[07:06] <raphink> yop Tonio_
[07:09] <Tonio_> _Sime_: ping ?
[07:21] <seth|away> raphink, still around?
[07:22] <raphink> yes seth|away :)
[07:23] <seth|away> raphink, I think I need re-approved for REVU since you guys moved to the new Launchpad-based system :)
[07:24] <seth|away> I uploaded a package last night and it never showed up
[07:24] <allee> Tonio: what's <s> ... </s> ?
[07:24] <raphink> seth|away: are you in the ubuntu-universe-contributors group on LP?
[07:24] <seth|away> raphink, yes
[07:24] <raphink> let me see
[07:25] <seth|away> https://launchpad.net/people/seth
[07:25] <raphink> i'll update the keyring seth|away
[07:25] <raphink> it'll take a few minutes
[07:25] <seth> thank you raphink :)
[07:25] <seth> yeah, I just joined, so that's most likely it
[07:26] <seth> should I reupload, or will it magically appear after you update the gpg keyring
[07:26] <allee> Tonio_: never mind ;)
[07:29] <seth> yay raphink, now I have nice gpg output :)
[07:30] <DaSkreech> Is edgy Shipping with SMART?
[07:30] <raphink> seth:  :)
[07:30] <seth> thanks for your time
[07:30] <raphink> seth: no need to reupload
[07:31] <seth> ah
[07:31] <raphink> it's up already
[07:31] <seth> okay
[07:31] <seth> ah, so it is
[07:32] <DaSkreech> Hi lnxkde
[07:33] <Tonio_> allee: I was searching for the wikicode to bar text
[07:33] <Tonio_> allee: <s> works on some wikis but not ubuntu's
[07:34] <allee> Tonio_: ah, 'k
[07:34] <allee> never tried this
[07:36] <Tonio_> allee: ;)
[07:45] <jdong_> wow... openoffice is pretty useless in edgy, isn't it :P
[07:45] <jdong_> the... hard way
[07:57] <Riddell> fabo: do you have any plans for updated icecc packages?
[07:58] <jjesse_> on a fresh install of knot2, is anyone else seeing problems where katapult is not enabled by default?
[07:58] <Riddell> jjesse_: known issue, fixed too
[07:58] <jjesse_> ok
[07:59] <_Sime_> anyone here know about packaging policies for Python modules?
[08:00] <Riddell> _Sime_: a bit
[08:00] <_Sime_> Riddell: do you know much about how Debian/Ubuntu handle modules and the incompatible Python ABI?
[08:01] <_Sime_> Riddell: are C modules always packaged for 2.3 and 2.4 in one package?
[08:01] <_Sime_> Riddell: or do you have multiple versions of the same module for the different python version?
[08:01] <Riddell> _Sime_: different binary packages
[08:02] <Riddell> so you have python2.4-foo and python2.3-foo
[08:02] <_Sime_> ok
[08:02] <_Sime_> We are up to discussing BC and Python versions on the PyKDE list.
[08:03] <_Sime_> I want to make things as backwards compat as possible in KDE 4 for Python modules and apps that use binary modules etc.
[08:04] <_Sime_> and python-foo points to the current pythonX.Y-foo package? y/n?
[08:05] <Riddell> _Sime_: yes
[08:05] <_Sime_> ok, I think I understand it enough.
[08:06] <_Sime_> the question on the list is should sip maintain BC between KDE versions, or doesn't it matter thanks to the python module ABI changes.
[08:22] <DaSkreech> Knot 3 is this week?
[08:24] <jdong_> DaSkreech: apparently :)
[08:26] <Riddell> that's why I'm hoping nixternal will show up :)
[08:26] <nixternal> ya, where is that jerk anyways?
[08:26] <nixternal> oh wait, here I am
[08:26] <bddebian> heh
[08:26] <nixternal> no need to fear, nixternal, is here (physically, obviously not mentally)
[08:27] <Riddell> nixternal: will you be able to do us a Knot 3 page?
[08:27] <nixternal> knot 3 is thursday, and of course we will be rocking
[08:27] <nixternal> you know it Riddell ;)
[08:27] <nixternal> i will start it today of course, and it will be rather extravagant
[08:28] <nixternal> when is the freeze btw?
[08:28] <Riddell> hwdb, hibernate on logout, sime's new gamma page on displayconfig, powermanager changes and kwwii's new artwork when it comes
[08:28] <Riddell> don't know when freeze is
[08:38] <nixternal> got it...gonna go do some stuff
[08:38] <nixternal> bbiab
[08:39] <Riddell> nixternal: amarok 1.4.3
[08:39] <nixternal> oh ya..almost forgot about that ;)
[08:39] <nixternal> Konversation 1?  or was that in Edgy 2
[08:39] <nixternal> actually..no i didn't add it..it is going in this one as well
[08:40] <Riddell> good plan
[08:40] <Riddell> when did ktorrent 2 go in?
[08:40] <nixternal> it might not have
[08:40] <Riddell> 2.0.1 is in
[08:41] <jdong> new kernel... that deserves mention :)
[08:41] <nixternal> ya, and how it breaks my laptop ;)
[08:42] <DaSkreech> qcomicbook got in?
[08:42] <jdong> nixternal: hehe
[09:14] <Riddell> kwwii_: ping
[09:14] <Riddell> where's that new kubuntu logo of yours?
[09:15] <fabo> Riddell: andre sends me a mail yesterday about icecc 0.7.12
[09:16] <kwwii_> Riddell: how big? there is http://bootsplash.org/kubuntu.sponsorpage.ken.png
[09:16] <Riddell> fabo: any plans for packaging it?  the akademy dude needs packages
[09:16] <fabo> Riddell: i prepared it but it seems there's a bug in postint script
[09:16] <Riddell> kwwii_: needs a transparent background
[09:17] <kwwii_> Riddell: ok, I can make one, how big?
[09:17] <fabo> i'll upload it today, keeping the bug on my TODO list
[09:17] <Riddell> kwwii_: 200 wide
[09:20] <DaSkreech> Is there a hardware browser in Kubuntu?
[09:23] <Riddell> DaSkreech: no
[09:23] <Riddell> but kde-hal-device-manager is in universe
[09:23] <DaSkreech> ok
[09:24] <DaSkreech> testing for edgy?
[09:27] <kwwii_> Riddell: http://bootsplash.org/kubuntu_logo_201x53.png
[09:27] <kwwii_> for some reason inkscape would not export it at 200
[09:27] <Riddell> that's fine :)
[09:42] <DaSkreech> KDE needs a flower planting app
[09:47] <kwwii_> DaSkreech: KFlower-planter
[09:48] <DaSkreech> I've been beaten to it?
[09:48] <fabo> Riddell: sync request for icecc ?
[09:49] <Riddell> fabo: once it's in debian of course
[09:49] <kwwii_> DaSkreech: no, no, *luckily* you still have time
[09:49] <fabo> uploaded, i can do the sync request ;)
[09:50] <Riddell> fabo: you rock
[09:50] <DaSkreech> kwwii_: Sweet. one of those totoally ridiculous apps that you love using but has no real value or use
[09:50] <fabo> :)
[09:51] <kwwii_> DaSkreech: most important is that it starts with a K
[09:51] <DaSkreech> I was trying to think out a good name for it
[09:52] <DaSkreech> Something with Garden
[09:52] <DaSkreech> Any lanaguge spells Garden with a K? :)
[09:52] <kwwii_> none that I know of
[09:52] <fabo> rosegarden
[09:52] <fabo> ;)
[09:53] <DaSkreech> Well maybe I can get the gwenview lawyers to get GardenView submitted to KDE :)
[10:01] <Tonio_> I'm sick of those distros releasing with xgl and kde
[10:02] <Tonio_> like opensuse or mandriva...
[10:02] <Tonio_> using compiz and kde is currently a nonsense..........
[10:02] <DaSkreech> Well they have gnome as well 
[10:02] <DaSkreech> And it's now all nonesense :)
[10:02] <DaSkreech> It make the Compiz guys realize that KDE is in demand
[10:03] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: yes but they are implementing compiz on kde, using gnome-window-decorator
[10:03] <Tonio_> configuration is done via gconf etc.......;
[10:03] <DaSkreech> Yeah I know
[10:03] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: that results an unthemable desktop.....
[10:03] <DaSkreech> What we really need is to crack the whip and wave a sign pointint out that kwin has compositing support as well as a plugin structure
[10:03] <Tonio_> why not wait a bit for kde4 simply ?
[10:03] <Tonio_> are theu so affraid of vista ?
[10:03] <DaSkreech> A bit = a year?
[10:04] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: and ? ;)
[10:04] <Tonio_> I've been using a computer without 3D desktop for 10 years ;)
[10:04] <DaSkreech> I get itchy if stuff is out for two months
[10:04] <DaSkreech> Must.... have.... new
[10:04] <Tonio_> I can wait one more to get something nicelly implemented instead of that nasty hack like opensuse
[10:05] <DaSkreech> Well Suse has always done nasty hacks
[10:05] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: the problem is so does mandriva
[10:11] <DaSkreech> Well wait for a year then Kubuntu will crush them
[10:11] <DaSkreech> simple :)
[10:12] <nixternal> DaSkreech: is there a "gardensKape" app yet? ;)
[10:12] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Brilliant!!
[10:12] <nixternal> i will sell it to ya ;)
[10:12] <DaSkreech> YOu can plant flowers and watch them grow and pull out weeds
[10:12] <nixternal> it will cost you
[10:12] <nixternal> FREE ;)
[10:13] <nixternal> can you afford that? ;)
[10:13] <nixternal> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=gardenskape&btnG=Google+Search
[10:13] <nixternal> nothing with 'gardensKape' online
[10:14] <kwwii_> now that is a good name
[10:14] <kwwii_> ohhhh, yeah baby
[10:16] <DaSkreech> yep Time to fill up that page :)
[10:16] <nixternal> hehe
[10:17] <nixternal> and when you design anything in the garden, it was called gardenscape, and when you did it for your yard or your land, it was called landscape ;) go figure ;)
[10:17] <DaSkreech> cool You can tell me what makes sense to take note of in flowers and fruits
[10:17] <DaSkreech> Like water and temp etc
[10:17] <nixternal> damn
[10:17] <kwwii_> hehe
[10:17] <DaSkreech> Heehee
[10:17] <nixternal> i just stuck my foot in my mouth didn't i?
[10:17] <nixternal> hahaha
[10:17] <DaSkreech> Make sure it wasn't fertilized
[10:17] <fabo> Tonio_: transkode package done ?
[10:17] <kwwii_> nixternal: I mean, you took one course in it, why can't you help?
[10:17] <kwwii_> :p
[10:18] <nixternal> i took many courses..i actually have a landscapers certificate ;)
[10:18] <nixternal> part of the fun times in the navy i guess
[10:18] <kwwii_> hehe
[10:18] <kwwii_> a lanscaper in the navy, that makes sense
[10:18] <nixternal> hahaha
[10:18] <nixternal> funny thing was..i started the courses on a ship as well
[10:19] <nixternal> i remember picking flowers in Gibraltor for the course as a matter of fact
[10:19] <nixternal> plants as well
[10:19] <kwwii_> lol
[10:19] <nixternal> i remember one of them damn monkeys at the top of gibraltor stealing my beer and my shirt i bought at a store there
[10:22] <Tonio_> fabo: nope, I was just thinking about doing one, but I didn't yet :)
[10:23] <fabo> Tonio_: i'll ping you if i find time to do it before you :)
[10:24] <Tonio_> fabo: hehe okay :)
[10:24] <Tonio_> fabo: I prefer spending time to track bugs currently
[10:24] <Tonio_> like kdeprint that doesn't work for me at least
[10:52] <nixternal> jdong: the new Ubuntu sounds are nice aren't they?
[10:53] <jdong> nixternal: I LOVE them :)
[10:53] <nixternal> i used to have the Microsoft sound thing...but 4 seconds into it, and an old ladies voice would pop up and say "STFU Already!"
[10:54] <nixternal> seeing as I hardly ever have to "reboot", the sounds don't matter to me ;)
[10:54] <jdong> I like the KDE logout sound, too....
[10:54] <jdong> in that it makes fun of the XP bug
[10:54] <nixternal> that is the difference between Kubuntu sounds and Microsoft sounds..people don't even realise the sounds in kubuntu, as you never have to reboot it..whereas with a Windows box, it is like someone turned  on the "repeat" function of a CD player ;)
[10:54] <jdong> lol
[10:55] <jdong> the MS startup/shutdown sounds are all too obnoxious IMO
[10:55] <jdong> I love it in computer labs when someone accidentally has their speakers on
[11:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: I think about removing the "ignore cups error messages" patch to kdelibs
[11:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: it make current kdeprint debugging almost impossible
[11:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: may I put it in "old patches" folder ?
[11:58] <DaSkreech> later guys
[12:05] <seth> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3093 << new polyester if anyone wants to review, cheers