[12:09] <firesuite_> no prob, had same question yesterday :)
[12:10] <stephen> I am new to linux how do I enable RAID support in UBUNTU?
[12:13] <Raul12> can i play avi with real player ???
[12:14] <sui> Raul12: there are other players for avifiles
[12:14] <Raul12> what r theeeey
[12:14] <sui> Raul12: take a look at mplayer, gmplayer, kmplayer, xine-ui
[12:14] <Raul12> i tried amarok but failed
[12:15] <sui> Raul12: amarok is an audio-player
[12:15] <sui> Raul12: not for videos
[12:15] <Raul12> but i even cant play mp3 with that
[12:15] <sui> Raul12: theres an ubuntuguide onine
[12:15] <sui> Raul12: you said so, yes
[12:15] <firesuite_> anyone know why firefox terminates when i go to yahoo.com ???
[12:15] <sui> Raul12: i suppose you have to reinstall the codecs
[12:16] <Raul12> ok i will do that
[12:16] <Raul12> thanks
[12:16] <sui> firesuite_: theres no answer without error
[12:16] <firesuite_> no error message just terminates :(
[12:17] <sui> firesuite_: i don't have to change my answer ;)
[12:17] <Raul12> are their any defragmenting software for linux
[12:17] <Raul12> or ubuntu
[12:18] <MattyMatt> what is "save and quit" in vi?
[12:18] <sui> Raul12: you don't need extra software. fsck is all you need
[12:18] <firesuite_> hehe i know sui.. whats a good browser for dapper?
[12:18] <sui> MattyMatt: :wq
[12:18] <MattyMatt> ah : forgot the :
[12:18] <sui> firesuite_: I prefer konqueror
[12:18] <firesuite_> fair i'll try it some more
[12:18] <Raul12> where do i get fsck
[12:19] <sui> firesuite_: i think it's one of the most famous software for linux
[12:19] <sui> Raul12: its already on your system
[12:19] <Raul12> yea i found it
[12:19] <Raul12> thx sui
[12:21] <Raul12> ok guys thanks 4 all the help i am loggin out 4 2day but will be back 2morrow :)
[12:21] <Raul12> ;)
[12:22] <draik> Why is it that in winxp, if I attempt to copy a DVD, I have to leave my system alone until it's done or else there are issues, MAJOR lags, etc... but in kubuntu, I can copy a DVD, play music, be on Konversation and run a few widgets and still keep my processor under 40%?
[12:23] <switch> i am having some trouble with unraring something, what is the CLI i thought it was : unrar-free -x filename.rar but this is not working
[12:23] <sui> draik: linux is designed for those cases
[12:23] <crimsun> switch: no. unrar.
[12:23] <draik> sui, whatever it is, I'm happy :)
[12:24] <sui> fine
[12:25] <switch> crimsun: i have unrar-free
[12:25] <crimsun> switch: unrar-free can't handle the newer rars; you need unrar for that.
[12:26] <switch> crimsun: ok thanks
[12:28] <milco> Player-x ?
[12:28] <milco> was the one who told me to turn of the 'minimize zoom' effect right?
[12:31] <sui> so, gn8 everyone
[12:31] <milco> thanks a lot player-x for comming up with this solution
[12:32] <milco> looks like its working, not 100% sure - time will tell (10min :P)
[12:34] <switch> crimsun: thank i have it working now
[12:38] <ltbarcly> hiya
[12:38] <highneko> gl screensavers aren't working for me. At first only 40% of my screen would display the screensaver, but then I read something on google saying installing rss-glx would help. After installing that I don't see any screensaver! Please help.
[12:38] <ltbarcly> I'm using kubuntu with fglrx and it is dog slow
[12:38] <ltbarcly> does anyone know of any way to determine whether or not fglrx driver is working properly?
[12:41] <StrudelNinja> Hi. I installed flash for firefox and I'm not getting any sound
[12:42] <firesuite_> does anyone else have trouble opening yahoo.com in firefox??
[12:42] <highneko> firesuite_: Why not use google?!
[12:42] <firesuite_> i do but i use yahoo mail as well
[12:42] <highneko> I'll check
[12:42] <daniloc> me not
[12:43] <firesuite_> yahoo.com causes firefox to close with no error message
[12:43] <highneko> I had no problems with it just now.
[12:44] <firesuite_> is it worth downloading the debugging tools? its 112mb and i have no idea who to use them
[12:46] <StrudelNinja> Anyone? No one on the ubuntu forums helped at all
[12:47] <highneko> StrudelNinja: Change your distro. ;)
[12:47] <StrudelNinja> huh
[12:48] <highneko> StrudelNinja: It was a joke. x_x
[12:48] <StrudelNinja> oh
[12:48] <StrudelNinja> lol
[12:48] <StrudelNinja> I've had that told to me before
[12:49] <StrudelNinja> Sometimes I feel like getting windows again...
[12:49] <daniloc> why?
[12:49] <StrudelNinja> little things like this worked
[12:50] <StrudelNinja> that, and I don't understand doing things in the command line
[12:50] <daniloc> !seen asset
[12:50] <ubotu> I last saw asset (n=tessa@adsl-68-124-17-239.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) 2d 3h 14m 30s ago, quiting: Remote closed the connection
[12:50] <StrudelNinja> that, and I miss playing games
[12:51] <daniloc> what games ?
[12:51] <Sanne> StrudelNinja: http://www.linux-gamers.net/ :)
[12:52] <StrudelNinja> Day of Defeat and bf2
[12:52] <StrudelNinja> I installed steam in wine but I'm an idiot with linux, and it definitely doesn't work
[12:53] <StrudelNinja> and I still haven't gotten things like my side mouse buttons working after having kubuntu for 2 months
[12:54] <StrudelNinja> and then a couple nights ago I was doing something and all my fonts in KDE apps are screwed up, but no one could help there so I have to squint when I check my mail
[12:54] <highneko> StrudelNinja: You'll get used to it. I got my extra keyboard buttons working, but not mouse yet. Try googleing for "wine <gametitle>"
[12:55] <StrudelNinja> I did, I did what several different results said to do with no luck
[12:55] <StrudelNinja> that's my big problem. I find solutions that don't work for me
[12:56] <highneko> StrudelNinja: Maby you have an old version of wine or something?
[12:57] <StrudelNinja> No idea, I got it maybe two weeks ago. I wouldn't have any idea how to check
[12:57] <linuxkid2> hey, can someone help me with something, no one on the forums will answer. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=254135
[12:59] <Marci> moin
[01:00] <StrudelNinja> linuxkid2: they hate us Joshes
[01:00] <Marci> hey
[01:00] <linuxkid2> why, I don't know.
[01:00] <linuxkid2> I've always got good help here.
[01:00] <draik> !k9copy
[01:00] <ubotu> A good alternative to running DVDShrink with wine is k9copy; for Dapper it's available in Universe, and for Breezy it's available at this repository: deb http://repos.knio.it/ breezy main contrib non-free
[01:00] <highneko> What distributions use rpm files?
[01:00] <draik> Red Hat
[01:00] <highneko> mandrake I should try.
[01:00] <highneko> obviously!
[01:01] <linuxkid2> Red Hat, Mandriva, SuSE
[01:01] <draik> Anyone here know the #channel for k9copy help?
[01:01] <highneko> I knew of those. Any more? Thank you.
[01:01] <linuxkid2> PCLinuxOS I think
[01:01] <highneko> linuxkid2: What package format's your favorite?
[01:02] <StrudelNinja> I haven't had any problem I've put in here or the forums fixed in a couple weeks, I've just sort of given up
[01:02] <Marci> #fussball
[01:02] <linuxkid2> I've only used deb and MyDSL, deb is better.
[01:02] <linuxkid2> never done RPM, but heard only bad stories about it.
[01:03] <highneko> Yea, I'm used to rpm. I should keep trying this deb thing.
[01:03] <draik> Marci, what is that to? Nobody there
[01:03] <Marci> sry, wanted to join this chan
[01:03] <Marci> but I forgot the /join
[01:03] <Marci> ^^
[01:03] <linuxkid2> highneko: it's pretty simple. Adept aint so hot, but it's better than KPackage.
[01:04] <linuxkid2> highneko: I use aptitude myself mostly.
[01:04] <draik> !dvd
[01:04] <ubotu> See http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html. Libdvdcss can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[01:04] <draik> is there another app for copying DVDs?
[01:04] <draik> k9Copy failed me
[01:05] <linuxkid2> hey, can someone help me with something, no one on the forums will answer. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=254135
[01:05] <Marci> hey
[01:06] <kiwiMark|iBook> Hey all
[01:06] <Marzzi> hey
[01:06] <kiwiMark|iBook> I have a friend who's decided to install Linux, but is still making decisions on which distribution.
[01:06] <kiwiMark|iBook> I know next to zero about linux, so:
[01:06] <kiwiMark|iBook> "ubuntu partitions the hard drive for you.. would it be safe to assube kubuntu does as well? "
[01:07] <linuxkid2> yes
[01:07] <highneko> It does kinda. Use gogole, and find pictures of the intallation process. I did that.
[01:07] <linuxkid2> the program that installs ubuntu and kubuntu is almost the same.
[01:08] <linuxkid2> if you want dual boot or separate home directory, you have to do it manually.
[01:08] <highneko> kiwiMark|iBook: The new kubuntu has a nice gui installer. I would read about it first tho just incase.
[01:08] <linuxkid2> directory=partition
[01:09] <linuxkid2> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=254135 anybody looking at this?
[01:09] <daniloc> how to install newest 1.5.0.6 firefox on linux
[01:10] <daniloc> !firefox
[01:10] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[01:11] <linuxkid2> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=254135 anybody looking at this?
[01:12] <Sanne> linuxkid2: I'm sure if somebody knew, you would have been answered. You might have more luck at http://kubuntuforums.net, since this seems to be a kde issue.
[01:12] <linuxkid2> K. This has been a big mystery.
[01:14] <Sanne> linuxkid2: yeah, those things can be pretty frustrating.
[01:15] <highneko> So people actually use gnome?!
[01:16] <Sanne> highneko: lots do, so what?
[01:17] <linuxkid2> Sanne: Is the KubuntuForums.net an official Canonical support site or just a side thing?
[01:19] <Sanne> linuxkid2: it's linked from http://www.kubuntu.org/support.php, so I guess it's official, or at least it is 'known'.
[01:19] <linuxkid2> ok
[01:24] <draik> APT-GET help... I keep getting this error
[01:24] <draik> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[01:24] <draik>   k9copy: Depends: kdelibs4 (>= 4:3.3.2-6.2) but it is not installable
[01:24] <draik>           Depends: libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.3.4) but it is not installable
[01:24] <draik> E: Broken packages
[01:25] <draik> I tried to install kdelibs4, but it says that it was replaced with kdelibs4c2a and that is already installed and the latest version
[01:29] <mirf> guys
[01:29] <mirf> hi!
[01:29] <mirf> for some reason when boot kubuntu live cd
[01:30] <mirf> there is something wrong with my network connection, I get my IP assigned by DHCP no problems but cannot load anything from the internet
[01:31] <mirf> this is only happening after I installed XP though
[01:31] <LeeJunFan> mirf: try ping www.yahoo.com and see what IP address it says.
[01:31] <notech> if you can ping by ip address but not by domain then it didn't pick up the dns
[01:31] <mirf> I tried to ping google.com and got nothing iirc
[01:31] <LeeJunFan> mirf: what IP address did it give you?
[01:32] <LeeJunFan> for google
[01:32] <mirf> no idea, not sure I got one
[01:32] <LeeJunFan> try again. if you get 1.1.1.1 then you have a problem with router firmware.
[01:32] <LeeJunFan> I've seen it quite a few times.
[01:33] <mirf> when I ran kubuntu for the 1st time I got the internet no problems
[01:33] <LeeJunFan> Apparently some routers (don't know why) don't like linux.
[01:33] <mirf> my router is a linux box
[01:33] <LeeJunFan> mirf: ah, okay.
[01:33] <notech> a google ip is 72.14.207.99, try to ping that and google.com
[01:33] <benkong2> hello all
[01:33] <mirf> k I will try in a mo
[01:34] <benkong2> I think I just borked my fresh kubuntu install trying to add kde 3.5.4
[01:34] <benkong2> anyone familiar with a dependency problem with wlassistant and kdelibs-bin
[01:35] <LeeJunFan> mirf: once you get it booted up open a konsole and type 'ip route show' to see that you have a default gateway set to that of your router, and 'cat /etc/resolv.conf' to make sure namserver lines are set to what they should be.
[01:35] <Marzzi> hey
[01:35] <mirf> LeeJunFan,thanks man
[01:35] <mirf> I'll be back soo
[01:35] <mirf> n
[01:36] <LeeJunFan> good luck.
[01:36] <mirf> thanks
[01:42] <linuxkid2> Sanne: Weird. KubuntuForums.net runs on Windows ISS 6
[01:42] <linuxkid2> Sanne: Weird. KubuntuForums.net runs on Windows IIS 6
[01:42] <linuxkid2> Darn keyboard
[01:42] <Sanne> linuxkid2: iss lol :)
[01:43] <linuxkid2> Why would a linux forum run on windows servers?
[01:43] <Sanne> no idea
[01:43] <notech> may be hosted for them
[01:44] <linuxkid2> probably. should have paid closer attention to the hosting companies system.
[01:45] <linuxkid2> what's the command for tracing packet routes?
[01:45] <stoops> traceroute?
[01:45] <linuxkid2> I tried that.
[01:45] <notech> tracert maybe?
[01:46] <linuxkid2> tracert is dos/windows. might work
[01:46] <linuxkid2> still no go
[01:46] <linuxkid2> !trace > linuxkid2
[01:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about trace - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:47] <notech> try locate bin/trace
[01:47] <linuxkid2> !route > linuxkid2
[01:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about route - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:47] <jmichaelx> this may be offtopic, or maybe not. i have a bank of three computers in one area of my home.... one running kubuntu dapper, another mepis 6.0 and the other xubuntu. the kubuntu box and the mepis box have wireless NICs... the xubuntu box does not. would there be anypossible way that the xubuntu box could access the internet via one of the other two PCs, so that i do not have to string an...
[01:47] <jmichaelx> ...ethernet cable across the house?
[01:48] <linuxkid2> I think there's bridging software available.
[01:48] <linuxkid2> PS: That's not of topic.
[01:49] <larson9999> linux rocks!
[01:49] <linuxkid2> glad you think so
[01:49] <linuxkid2> me too :-)
[01:49] <Sanne> can't say anything against it either :)
[01:50] <linuxkid2> !tracepath > linuxkid2
[01:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tracepath - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:50] <linuxkid2> jmichaelx: ya still there?
[01:50] <Sanne> linuxkid2: if you're registered at freenode, you can /msg the bot: /msg ubotu my_question
[01:51] <linuxkid2> I'm not registered :/
[01:51] <firesuite_> hi does anyone else on here use Klamav ?
[01:51] <linuxkid2> Why do you need an antivirus?
[01:51] <Sanne> linuxkid2: maybe it works even so, just try :)
[01:52] <jmichaelx> linuxkid2: yeah, i am back, sorry
[01:52] <firesuite_> the Klamav update package will not run using the wizard, it says no acceptable C compiler in $path, any ideas?
[01:53] <linuxkid2> Sanne: hey, it worked!
[01:53] <Marzzi> hey
[01:53] <jmichaelx> bridging software, huh? would i need to install another NIC in of the two PCs that have wireless access?
[01:53] <Sanne> linuxkid2: woot
[01:53] <linuxkid2> probably
[01:53] <jmichaelx> sounds like a project....
[01:54] <jmichaelx> :-D
[01:54] <linuxkid2> jmichaelx: is this what your trying to do? modem=>wlan-router=>wireless-pc=>wired-pc
[01:55] <jmichaelx> linuxkid2: yup, that is it , basically
[01:55] <bubu1uk> firesuite: i got same error with Klamav
[01:56] <linuxkid2> jmichaelx: you will need a wireless and a wired NIC in one of the wireless computers. And bridging/routing/gateway software.
[01:56] <draik> is there another app that replaces k9copy?
[01:56] <bubu1uk> firesuite: i think u might need c compiler installed. it might need some other package, dunno, didn't play with it
[01:57] <jmichaelx> linuxkid2: ok, i will have to somehow look into this. the two wireless PCs both have ethernet NICs that are not being used
[01:57] <linuxkid2> that's good
[01:57] <linuxkid2> now, all you need is software to handle the communications part.
[01:57] <linuxkid2> which, I don't know. :(
[01:58] <jmichaelx> well, i still appreciate the input. i will try to poke around on the forums. surely others have tried this
[01:58] <linuxkid2> I know that I've wanted to know.
[01:58] <linuxkid2> Never actually needed to though
[01:59] <jmichaelx> sound like a person could even make a wireless laptop into a wired access point :-P
[01:59] <firesuite_> so do you guys on here leave irc running all day ?
[01:59] <jmichaelx> yeah, i am not sure i really NEED to, but i want to know how. i have way to many PCs going for just one guy
[01:59] <claydoh> a lot do, others like me lurk :)
[02:00] <abattoir> firesuite_: try installing build-essential
[02:00] <linuxkid2> I've heard stuff using ad-hoc and wired computers as access points. but the other way around, that I've not actually seen.
[02:00] <jmichaelx> too*
[02:00] <firesuite_> abattoir, is it any good.. i like to run things from the console cuz i need to learn this stuff :)
[02:00] <claydoh> there are *never* too many pc's for just one guy :)
[02:00] <jmichaelx> LOL
[02:00] <linuxkid2> here here
[02:01] <claydoh> unless you are my wife, that is. then 1 is too many
[02:01] <jmichaelx> i am glad to know that i am not alone:-d
[02:01] <abattoir> firesuite_: it is a meta-package which installs the packages necessary for compiling basic software manually, and hence installs gcc, which is a C compiler, among other things
[02:01] <abattoir> !info build-essential
[02:01] <ubotu> build-essential: informational list of build-essential packages. In component main, is optional. Version 11.1 (dapper), package size 6 kB, installed size 48 kB
[02:01] <abattoir> !build-essential
[02:01] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[02:01] <abattoir> firesuite_:
[02:01] <abattoir> firesuite_: ^^^
[02:02] <jmichaelx> well, i am not married, otherwise i am sure that at least a few of my 6 PCs and 2 laptops would have to go.....
[02:02] <abattoir> firesuite_: install that, and that error message'd go :)
[02:02] <firesuite_> i see.. im taking a look right now.. i been a windows tech supp for 10 years.. gotta learn linux finally :)
[02:02] <linuxkid2> Hey, just curiose, who uses konqueror, firefox/mozilla, or opera?
[02:02] <Marzzi> hey
[02:03] <jmichaelx> linuxkid2: i use all of the above
[02:03] <firesuite_> linuxkid - i use firefox now i fixed it
[02:03] <nnn0> i use them :)
[02:03] <linuxkid2> never actually used opera. konq and firefox, swiftfox actually.
[02:03] <linuxkid2> nnn0: what do you use then, lynx?
[02:03] <nnn0> h
[02:04] <jmichaelx> opera is proprietary and all, but it is small and fast, and i still like it
[02:04] <nnn0> i said i USE them
[02:04] <_bender_> Ohh browser talk
[02:04] <claydoh> mostly FF, but Konq a bit more lately
[02:04] <_bender_> Prefer Opera here also
[02:04] <nnn0> ff, opera and konq
[02:04] <_bender_> Konq is a bit flakey at times imo when it comes to rendering some web pages
[02:04] <nnn0> at least at this machine - it's plain kubuntu
[02:04] <linuxkid2> nnn0: gotcha, sorry
[02:04] <nnn0> np
[02:04] <nnn0> nw i mean
[02:04] <nnn0> :)
[02:05] <linuxkid2> konq sucks at super-ajax stuff like Gmail and Writely. besides that, it's good.
[02:05] <jmichaelx> i am using firefox & chatzilla at the moment
[02:05] <nnn0> ff has been abit unstable, but when ff crash i switch to opera, when opera crash i go back to ff etc :D
[02:05] <_bender_> jmichaelx: how is Chatzilla compared to Konver?
[02:06] <linuxkid2> Opera does have the most out-of-the-box features.
[02:06] <bubu1uk> and how is it compared to KVirc?
[02:06] <nnn0> i use most ff when developing though - i love the extensions, like web developer and firebug etc
[02:06] <jmichaelx> i have various uses for each browser lol..... i use opera and its 'wand' to store the passwords for all of my financial stuff
[02:06] <linuxkid2> I tried chatzilla, on windows machine. honestly I prefer Irssi.
[02:06] <_bender_> ah
[02:06] <linuxkid2> I use Konversation mostly
[02:07] <nnn0> i'm in Konversation now, but i use mostly xchat
[02:07] <jmichaelx> _bender_: i am not sure.... this is only the second time i have used chatzilla. seems a little less responsive than konversation or xchat
[02:07] <linuxkid2> jmichaelx: You could use a special KDE wallet and konqueror too.
[02:07] <_bender_> Ah kk, thinking of giving it a go (been sticking mostly to Kubuntu default appies)
[02:07] <jmichaelx> linuxkid2: i didn't even know that
[02:08] <linuxkid2> Just an alternative. I don't know how, but you can use special wallets.
[02:08] <jmichaelx> i was running damn small linux-not on an old PC last night, and used chatzilla in seamonkey for the first time
[02:08] <bubu1uk> firefox stores passwords too, doesn't it?
[02:08] <jmichaelx> bubu1uk: yes
[02:09] <linuxkid2> bubu1uk: ff passwords are in cleartext, I think.
[02:09] <bubu1uk> lol, i think for storing them is personal preference. everyone uses what he likes
[02:09] <linuxkid2> if not, they are easily find-outable.
[02:09] <linuxkid2> bubu1uk: still, unencrypted passwords are bad.
[02:09] <jmichaelx> the reason i use opera for  that is that when others are here, they seem to stick with firefox, and well, i like the wand thing
[02:10] <bubu1uk> true, that's why i used wallet too.
[02:10] <linuxkid2> I'm still wiping up a website mess from cleartext passwords
[02:10] <jmichaelx> yeah, using those browsers to remember passwords is dangerous, but i do it due to cases of intense laziness and forgetfulness
[02:11] <linuxkid2> usually if you have strong log in and wallet/wand passwords you should be ok.
[02:12] <linuxkid2> besides konqueror, mozilla and opera, what other browsers are there?
[02:12] <jmichaelx> lynks... dillo...
[02:12] <bubu1uk> there is some other mozilla based
[02:12] <bubu1uk> i think seamonkey.
[02:12] <bubu1uk> not sure
[02:12] <jmichaelx> seamonkey is just mozilla suite, renamed
[02:12] <linuxkid2> yeah, like epiphany. but those fall under "mozilla" in my opinion
[02:12] <bubu1uk> ahh, didnt know that
[02:13] <linuxkid2> Mozilla foundation basically killed Mozilla suite, and SeaMonkey sprang from the ashes.
[02:13] <jmichaelx> seamonkey = resurrected netscape
[02:13] <linuxkid2> mmmhm
[02:13] <linuxkid2> If I were on a Mac, I'd use Camino.
[02:13] <linuxkid2> That's another Mozilla isn't it?
[02:14] <jmichaelx> however, seamonkey is nice, imo
[02:14] <bubu1uk> hmm, give it a search on adept. "browser" keyword
[02:14] <bubu1uk> plenty of them
[02:14] <linuxkid2> Tried it once. Pain installing extensions and themes.
[02:14] <jmichaelx> some claim that seamonkey is easier on resources than ff, although i am not sure how that can be.
[02:14] <linuxkid2> I'm ok, Just want to talk.
[02:15] <linuxkid2> yeah, doesn't make sense
[02:15] <linuxkid2> seamonkey = ff + t-bird + chatzilla
[02:15] <linuxkid2> how that uses less RAM than ff i don't know.
[02:16] <jmichaelx> my question exactly
[02:16] <linuxkid2> forgot nvu. that's in seamonkey too.
[02:17] <linuxkid2> I use swiftfox. ever tried that?
[02:17] <jmichaelx> swiftfox is great.... except for the fact that it always asks to be default browser
[02:17] <jmichaelx> lol
[02:17] <jmichaelx> swiftfox really is awesome
[02:18] <linuxkid2> I told it to stop asking and it quite.
[02:18] <linuxkid2> quit
[02:18] <jmichaelx> ahhhh
[02:18] <jmichaelx> i have tried to tell it to stop that, maybe i need to try again. not a big issue, though
[02:18] <linuxkid2> Wish that there was a QT/KDE version of ff or gecko.
[02:19] <flaccid_> whats FF made from again?
[02:19] <linuxkid2> Regular FF is GTK+XUL.
[02:19] <flaccid_> i mean for UI widgets
[02:19] <flaccid_> ah yeah
[02:19] <jmichaelx> i wish that konqueror could just use all of the mozilla plugins and extensions.... if it would do that , i would just stick with it
[02:19] <linuxkid2> On Linux. Windows uses native widgets.
[02:19] <flaccid_> it works well for gtk+
[02:20] <linuxkid2> You can't use XUL extensions and themes in the like of K-Meleon, Camino, and Epiphany.
[02:20] <linuxkid2> Only XUL+Gecko browsers do that.
[02:20] <linuxkid2> Firefox & SeaMonkey
[02:20] <flaccid_> i just use opera, firefox and konqueror
[02:21] <linuxkid2> Haven't touched Opera yet, but SwiftFox and Konqueror fit the bill.
[02:21] <flaccid> linuxkid2: what requirements do you have?
[02:21] <jmichaelx> in damn small linux, there is a text only browser.... i forget what it is called. talk about lightening fast, lol
[02:22] <linuxkid2> Oh, I have a DSL CD. netrick maybe?
[02:22] <bubu1uk> jmichaelx: links?
[02:22] <jmichaelx> netrik, that's it
[02:22] <jmichaelx> i like it
[02:22] <linuxkid2> no, it aint links or lynx
[02:22] <jmichaelx> it's netrik
[02:22] <linuxkid2> Everything in DSL is FAST FAST FAST.
[02:22] <bubu1uk> yup
[02:23] <draik> DSL, the OS or the internet?
[02:23] <linuxkid2> flaccid: GMail, Writely, Google, Wikipedia. basic stuff.
[02:23] <bubu1uk> Damn small linux
[02:23] <linuxkid2> draik. OS
[02:23] <draik> oic
[02:23] <draik> I wanted to try it out once, but didn't get a chance
[02:23] <jmichaelx> i love DSL.... and i downloaded the RC of DSL-N last night and made a dsl-n CD on a CD/RW.... it really rocks. can't wait until the stable version comes out
[02:24] <linuxkid2> If you've got a spare USB-key. It's sweet to take on the road.
[02:24] <jmichaelx> i have had DSL on a USB stick for months...
[02:24] <draik> DSL like kubuntu?
[02:24] <bubu1uk> draik: u can even download version that runs inside win or linux
[02:24] <linuxkid2> no, mure like Xubuntu but even more stripped down.
[02:24] <draik> stable?
[02:24] <jmichaelx> way more stripped down
[02:24] <bubu1uk> fits on 50 MB
[02:25] <linuxkid2> the Qemu version is so slow. u need like 2.3 GHz to get an decent speed.
[02:25] <bubu1uk> true, but i got it. lol
[02:25] <flaccid> linuxkid2: i guess any modern desktop browser will suit
[02:25] <bubu1uk> and dont really use it much that way
[02:25] <mythril> is there any simple way to share my wireless connection with people who are wired in to my laptop?
[02:25] <linuxkid2> we just had someone asking about htat.
[02:25] <jmichaelx> i wonder what fluxbuntu will be like.... i am thinking it may be a little like DSL-N..... maybe a little larger, but same ide
[02:26] <jmichaelx> idea*
[02:26] <linuxkid2> oh, yeah, jmichaelx
[02:26] <bubu1uk> but if u got no chance to install/boot cd it is usefull
[02:26] <draik> but don't you also need a computer that can boot from USB?
[02:26] <linuxkid2> Qemu is a good little VM>
[02:26] <jmichaelx> mythril: i was asking a similar question a while ago
[02:26] <linuxkid2> yeah. most from like 2002 onward will do that.
[02:27] <linuxkid2> draik yeah. most from like 2002 onward will do that.
[02:27] <bubu1uk> not mine laptop. :(
[02:27] <draik> right
[02:27] <jmichaelx> draik: with DSL, you can make a boot floppy that will make the PC boot te USB drive.... providing your PC still has a floppy drive
[02:27] <mythril> jmichaelx: did you get an answer?
[02:27] <draik> my laptop won't... it's ~2000
[02:27] <linuxkid2> just hit and miss, really. make a boot floppy too just in case.
[02:27] <draik> my desktop I put together can... it's only about 3 years old.. coming up soon
[02:27] <bubu1uk> or put it on mini cd
[02:28] <jmichaelx> mythril: well, i do not know how to do it, but.... i understand that with bridging software, it is possible.... you would need to look around in the forums
[02:28] <linuxkid2> and use USB for data and MyDSL extensions. That's what I did. SWEET.
[02:28] <bubu1uk> linuxkid2: yup
[02:29] <jmichaelx> myDSL extensions are so great
[02:30] <linuxkid2> Just curios. why are we talking about DSL on the Kubuntu channel? There's a DSL channel on this server somewhere.
[02:30] <draik> DSL seems like my next project... get it, install it on my USB... what's a good size USB for DSL? I have a 256mb and a 1GB.
[02:30] <linuxkid2> draik: 25 will do. it'll hold the system with another 200MB to go for data.
[02:31] <draik> linuxkid, 25MB??? Really??? That name REALLY fits
[02:31] <linuxkid2> no, 50
[02:31] <jmichaelx> a 10 65MB USB stick is more than enough for DSL
[02:31] <jmichaelx> $10
[02:32] <linuxkid2> depends on the files you want to carry with the systeml
[02:32] <jmichaelx> staples here in town has been selling 64MB usb sticks for $9.99
[02:32] <linuxkid2> On the DSL and Puppy websites, they have plans for mini-pc's that run entirely on either IDE CompactFlash or USB
[02:33] <jmichaelx> you may even be able to find cheaper ones
[02:33] <draik> sweet
[02:33] <jmichaelx> linuxkid2: i think those are already reality
[02:33] <linuxkid2> plans for building your own. you can buy them too. pre-built.
[02:33] <linuxkid2> blueprints I should have said.
[02:33] <draik> building your own what?
[02:34] <jmichaelx> linuxkid2: but...they are too expensive pre-built--- a 'damn small machine' is like $375
[02:34] <linuxkid2> yeah. nuts.
[02:34] <draik> Is there an alternative to k9copy? I keep getting issues when I ask it to write to my desktop
[02:34] <linuxkid2> If you ever need to build web-kiosks/thin clients. DSL should be great.
[02:35] <linuxkid2> No idea. No DVD burner on my system so haven't bothered.
[02:35] <jmichaelx> i like my old P3s and P2s...... i have had a few given to me, and purchased a few for $25 - $35
[02:35] <linuxkid2> My machine I have right now is P3 450Mhz, 319MB RAM, 13GM HD.
[02:35] <linuxkid2> Gift from neighbor.
[02:36] <notech> xdvdshrink
[02:36] <jmichaelx> linuxkid2: that is an awesome machine, in my opinion....
[02:36] <bubu1uk> i got one with amd 2 ghz and 512 ram for 20
[02:36] <linuxkid2> Dollars...?
[02:36] <jmichaelx> WTF?
[02:36] <notech> could just be not enough free space to write it to the desktop
[02:36] <jmichaelx> how did you do that?
[02:37] <bubu1uk> my friend allways buys new ones. that one was too old. lol
[02:37] <jmichaelx> brb, gonna switch to konversation
[02:37] <bubu1uk> not for me. my best server.
[02:37] <linuxkid2> I got an old P1 32MB RAM at garage sale for $20
[02:37] <bubu1uk> i have it in british pounds.
[02:37] <bubu1uk> but still cheap
[02:37] <jmichaelx> linuxkid2: you have linux running on it??
[02:37] <linuxkid2> Puppy
[02:38] <jmichaelx> SWEET
[02:38] <draik> notech, it's not on my desktop but on my 3rd HDD... it's 80GB... but has about 59GB available
[02:38] <linuxkid2> Has more programs than DSL, honestly
[02:38] <jmichaelx> i use my old machines more than my newer ones
[02:39] <draik> notech, do you recommend of a place for xdvdshrink?
[02:39] <jmichaelx> i have a P1 with 64MB that i may try to get going with DSL or puppy tonight
[02:39] <linuxkid2> I just wish I had more processing power. My mom's computer is P3 Coppermine/Celeron 800Mhz. I've got more than twice it's memory though.
[02:39] <notech> draik: dunno if kubuntu has it or not. could google for its site
[02:39] <linuxkid2> try searching packages.ubuntu.com
[02:40] <draik> just googled for it
[02:40] <draik> WHOA!!!
[02:40] <draik> where does k3b save it's images for burning?
[02:40] <draik> I have 1% left
[02:40] <draik> HDD space
[02:41] <linuxkid2> hey, just really curiose, could I point K3b at /dev/hdc, by cd-rom, and have it access the file like an ISO image?
[02:41] <linuxkid2> If I had a working burner :/
[02:41] <draik> yup
[02:41] <draik> should work that way
[02:41] <linuxkid2> couldn't you do that, draik?
[02:41] <abattoir> draik: /tmp...
[02:42] <abattoir> draik: you can go change it in Settings->Configure K3b-Misc
[02:42] <jmichaelx> Sysinfo for 'kubuntu2': Linux 2.6.15-26-686 running KDE 3.5.4, CPU: PentiumIII(Katmai) at 498 MHz (998 bogomips), , RAM: 372/376MB, 110 proc's, 23.56h up
[02:42] <jmichaelx> ok that is what i was after lol
[02:43] <linuxkid2> jmichaelx: did you clone my PC or something? That's practically what I have?
[02:43] <jmichaelx> LOL
[02:43] <jmichaelx> Sysinfo for 'kubuntu2': Linux 2.6.15-26-686 running KDE 3.5.4, CPU: PentiumIII(Katmai) at 498 MHz (998 bogomips), , RAM: 372/376MB, 109 proc's, 23.57h up
[02:43] <jmichaelx> ok that second time was an accident, sorry
[02:43] <linuxkid2> what'd you type to get that output?
[02:44] <jmichaelx> linuxkid2: just type'/sysinfo'
[02:44] <surgy> hi
[02:44] <abattoir> linuxkid2: /sysinfo... but pls. dont keep spamming :)
[02:44] <linuxkid2> Sysinfo for 'josh-desktop': Linux 2.6.15-26-386 running KDE 3.5.2, CPU: PentiumIII(Katmai) at 449 MHz (899 bogomips), , RAM: 310/313MB, 93 proc's, 2.22h up
[02:44] <draik> I have no clue as to where I have any space left
[02:44] <jmichaelx> abattoir: i am sorry, i did not intend to do sysinfo twice like i did
[02:44] <draik> abattoir, I have 100% use... 0 available
[02:44] <abattoir> draik: 'df' in a konsole should help you with that
[02:45] <abattoir> draik: then try deleting some stuff :P
[02:45] <jmichaelx> linuxkid2: i think you have an awesome system....
[02:45] <abattoir> jmichaelx: its ok :)
[02:45] <draik> from where? I have no idea where the items that I was burning today went off to
[02:45] <surgy> can someone help me with a few minor things i need to know how to set up?
[02:45] <surgy> first off i need to set up my video card
[02:45] <linuxkid2> I bought an IDE Zip100 drive at the DI a couple of weeks ago. should try installing that.
[02:46] <abattoir> draik: see, if you are burning a local file, k3b uses /tmp/kde-<username>
[02:46] <draik> I deleted everything that I could from /tmp
[02:46] <draik> that didn't do anything
[02:46] <surgy> anyone?
[02:46] <abattoir> draik: was that the reason your HDD usage went to 100%?
[02:46] <linuxkid2> anyone have a favorite coding editor? I'm thinking of either KATE, Vim, or Emacs/XEmacs.
[02:46] <draik> I was burning DVDs
[02:46] <abattoir> draik: what was the usage before that?
[02:46] <draik> using k3b
[02:47] <abattoir> surgy: what video card?
[02:47] <draik> about 3.9GB available
[02:47] <surgy> abattoir radeon 9250
[02:47] <jmichaelx> i have had issues with K3b... i don't even try to use it anymore
[02:47] <abattoir> draik: come on, an avg. DVD is 4.7G, please try to have atleast that much space left....
[02:47] <abattoir> !ati > surgy
[02:48] <linuxkid2> Anyone? Kate, Vim, or EMACS?
[02:48] <draik> I was using my 3rd HDD
[02:48] <draik> which also won't boot
[02:48] <surgy> lol
[02:48] <surgy> ubotu is awsome!
[02:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about is awsome! - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:48] <surgy> thanks abattoir
[02:48] <linuxkid2> lol
[02:48] <deeo__> linuxkid2: i use vim and kdevelop, anjuta and monodevelop, too.
[02:48] <bubu1uk> poor ubotu
[02:49] <bubu1uk> bit confused
[02:49] <draik> Now I have to find out where all those files were going off to
[02:49] <bubu1uk> draik: how much space is /tmp taking?
[02:49] <linuxkid2> k. I still have trouble with VIM. to many commands to bend my mind around. I'm too young to have ever used things like WordPerfect.
[02:49] <surgy> how do i change my clock from 24 hour time to 12 hour time?
[02:49] <jmichaelx> probably the main thing that i have had trouble doing since switching to linux, is ripping CDs to MP3s....... and i know i am a bad bad linux user for not using ogg
[02:50] <draik> 28.0 KB
[02:50] <linuxkid2> draik: any idea of the file type or extension that would have been made?
[02:50] <bubu1uk> draik: and home?
[02:50] <jmichaelx> i rip CDs right now with GRIP, and it works fine, but is mighty slow
[02:51] <draik> nope. I just did a straight copy from what I have on my 2nd HDD
[02:51] <abattoir> jmichaelx: let me show you the simplest way to rip cds... ever
[02:51] <deeo__> d.d.
[02:51] <deeo__> hehe
[02:51] <abattoir> jmichaelx: i assume you have lame installed?
[02:51] <jmichaelx> abattoir: yes
[02:51] <surgy> dont i have to open the universal and multiversal repos?
[02:51] <linuxkid2> The defualt KAudioCreator works for me, but I use ogg and don't have a portable Mp3 player.
[02:51] <surgy> if so how?
[02:51] <abattoir> jmichaelx: put a cd in, and in konqueror type audiocd:/
[02:51] <draik> abattoir, home is 14.5GB
[02:52] <abattoir> draik: ok, free up around 5GB there... your computer perfomance might also increase when you have more space :)
[02:52] <bubu1uk> draik: check files in home dir, what is taking there so much space
[02:52] <abattoir> draik: btw is /home and /tmp in diff. partitions?
[02:52] <abattoir> jmichaelx: does audiocd:/ work?
[02:53] <draik> nope, same partition
[02:53] <abattoir> jmichaelx: or does it complain?
[02:53] <jmichaelx> abattoir: just grabbed a CD
[02:53] <abattoir> jmichaelx: aah ok
[02:53] <bubu1uk> draik: dont forget to check hidden files as well
[02:53] <bubu1uk> not sure if k3b doesnt use it's own folder in home dir
[02:54] <jmichaelx> abattoir: no, it did not complain. AWESOME
[02:54] <linuxkid2> Hey, that reminds me. I have this strange problem playing CDs. Using KsCD or XMMS, things play ok untill about 2 thirds through a track and then it stops.
[02:54] <jmichaelx> abattoir: do i just copy those MP3 files to another folder?
[02:54] <abattoir> jmichaelx: all you have to do is copy the mp3/ogg folder to wherever you want it
[02:54] <abattoir> jmichaelx: yes
[02:54] <jmichaelx> abattoir: that is the most awesome thing i have seen in ages
[02:54] <abattoir> jmichaelx: you can finetune the settings in Kcontrol/systemsettings
[02:55] <abattoir> jmichaelx: and copying might not be as fast as copying from a cd... because it is ripping too... but it isnt bad either
[02:55] <linuxkid2> anyone know what the command to launch the KDE Control Center is. Not the Kubuntu System Settings panel, KDE Control Center.
[02:55] <draik> what exactly am I looking for?
[02:55] <abattoir> linuxkid2: kcontrol
[02:55] <linuxkid2> duh *:|
[02:55] <jmichaelx> abattoir: all i can say is thanks for showing me this. i can't believe i had not seen this before
[02:55] <bubu1uk> draik: get rid of stuff u dont need. and free up space
[02:56] <draik> What would happen if I were to copy my partition to my 3rd HDD and then copy it back when I partition it with more space?
[02:56] <naegling23> is it possible to share a folder over my network.....with a windows pc?
[02:56] <linuxkid2> yeah, but it's a pain. :(
[02:57] <bubu1uk> naegling23: yes, with samba
[02:57] <abattoir> jmichaelx: the thing is there are a no. of brilliant features like this... but no one knows about them...
[02:57] <bubu1uk> abattoir: true
[02:57] <abattoir> jmichaelx: i wanted to put this up in the wiki... but currently i'm not at home, and have no cds w/ me
[02:57] <jmichaelx> abattoir: that feature is brilliant without a doubt!
[02:57] <linuxkid2> we should all read up on the KIO-Slaves portion of the Konqueror manual.
[02:57] <abattoir> jmichaelx: maybe you could help me when you are free and grab a few screenshots ;)
[02:57] <jmichaelx> abattoir: i would like to try to do that
[02:58] <raul> hi
[02:58] <abattoir> jmichaelx: hmm, i have to go now though, i'll see if you are there when i get back... and i'll ping you, thanks :)
[02:58] <jmichaelx> abattoir: i will try to get back with you on that and maybe try to get it done through a few evenings this week
[02:58] <jmichaelx> abattoir: thanks to you , too
[02:58] <bubu1uk> oh, btw, how do i run swat to configure samba in konqueror?
[02:59] <surgy> can some one help me in pm please?
[02:59] <bubu1uk> surgy: and problem is?
[02:59] <naegling23> so I can share a folder under linux using samba, but basically, it wont be easy
[03:00] <surgy> when i entered "sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)" i get the error "E: Couldn't find package linux-restricted-modules"
[03:00] <bubu1uk> naegling23: thing that wont be easy is to setup samba
[03:00] <naegling23> yea, I was hoping for like click on folder and share, if its too tough to set up, it really isnt worth it
[03:00] <deeo__> eh
[03:00] <deeo__> why isn't it easy
[03:00] <naegling23> second computer is going to kubuntu soon enough anyway
[03:01] <draik> well, I got 1% back... but I can't figure out what is happening
[03:01] <deeo__> install 'samba' with adept, and open control centre
[03:01] <bubu1uk> naegling23: setup FtP, it's easier. lol
[03:01] <deeo__> click 'sharing', 'file sharing', and set it up
[03:01] <deeo__> point + click = easy
[03:01] <surgy> bubuluk: can you help?
[03:01] <bubu1uk> just checking, wait surgy
[03:01] <surgy> k thnx
[03:01] <deeo__> bubu1uk: why would you use swat when you can use control centre?
[03:02] <draik> is there a way of finding out the location where things have gone today?
[03:02] <naegling23> hey deeo, is samba difficult to set up, or is it just a package install?
[03:03] <deeo__> just install samba with adept
[03:03] <deeo__> go to system settings -> sharing -> file sharing
[03:03] <deeo__> click Administrator Mode
[03:03] <deeo__> then click 'enable sharing' and add dirs you want to share
[03:03] <deeo__> to do that, you click the Add button.
[03:04] <deeo__> you can add accounts in the users and groups section of System Settings, and set restrictions as to who can access what
[03:04] <bubu1uk> surgy: what happenes when u put full name of package?
[03:04] <naegling23> will samba also let my windows pc print off of the printer connected to my linux pc?
[03:04] <bubu1uk> surgy: when u add version number manually
[03:05] <surgy> bubuluk: your assuming that i know the full name of the package....... im new to ubuntu and linux too, i only have newbie level experience in fedora
[03:05] <draik> abattoir, can I copy everything to my 3rd partition and then copy it back? or will that mess up the GRUB?
[03:05] <deeo__> naegling23: you can set that up sure
[03:05] <deeo__> should already be able to
[03:05] <bubu1uk> naegling23: samba basically works as normal shares in windows
[03:05] <deeo__> should have, (by default,) /tmp/ and /var/lib/samba/printers
[03:06] <bubu1uk> surgy: heh, grown on fedora too. lol
[03:06] <surgy> bubuluk: lol, thats why i wanted a pm, so it doesnt flood or get garbled
[03:06] <naegling23> wow, ill have to see how well this works, im taking it I'll have to install the windows ext3 drivers too
[03:09] <hussam> anyone else here using edgy is seeing this bug? https://launchpad.net/bugs/59843
[03:09] <bubu1uk> surgy: strange, that command works for me
[03:09] <surgy> you guys at canonicle should get endorsed by the movie "Happy Feet"
[03:09] <bubu1uk> surgy: try it with -s option
[03:09] <surgy> bubuluk: i suspect it has something to do withmy repositories
[03:09] <bubu1uk> might be
[03:10] <surgy> bubuluk: can you type the whole comand as it whould look with the s option?
[03:10] <bubu1uk> surgy: sudo apt-get -s install linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[03:11] <surgy> same error
[03:11] <bubu1uk> surgy: check /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:11] <surgy> i dont have either unvivers or multiverse
[03:12] <bubu1uk> surgy: i think this might be in those repositories
[03:12] <bubu1uk> i mean universe
[03:12] <Coffeeman1> ok I have the source code for a program how do I compile it?
[03:12] <bubu1uk> or multiverse, dunno
[03:12] <surgy> what the fuck....
[03:13] <bubu1uk> surgy: btw, u can use adept as package manager with gui.
[03:13] <jmichaelx> surgy: watch it, there...
[03:13] <surgy> i type the comand and it says permision denied
[03:13] <surgy> so i su and my root pw wont work
[03:13] <bubu1uk> with sudo?
[03:13] <linuxkid2> draik: there's a program called gdmap that displays files as boxes, of varying size. It's good for finding big fat files.
[03:13] <surgy> jmichaelx: sorry
[03:13] <jmichaelx> surgy: it's ok :-P
[03:14] <surgy> sudo: /etc/apt/sources.list: command not found
[03:14] <jmichaelx> surgy: you need to learn about sudo in k/x/ubuntu
[03:14] <bubu1uk> surgy:  lol. it's file. cd /etc/apt
[03:14] <bubu1uk> and ls
[03:14] <jmichaelx> "sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list"
[03:14] <bubu1uk> or that. lol
[03:15] <surgy> bash: cd: /etc/apt/sources.list: Not a directory
[03:15] <bubu1uk> surgy: sources.list is file. like fedora-base.repo in fedora.
[03:15] <bubu1uk> txt file
[03:16] <bubu1uk> surgy: type what jmichaelx wrote
[03:16] <mobad> hi
[03:16] <surgy> so i should cd /etc/apt/
[03:16] <bubu1uk> yup
[03:16] <surgy> and then gedit sources.list
[03:16] <mobad> im having some problems with my newly installed kubuntu
[03:16] <bubu1uk> yup
[03:16] <mobad> it cant seem to get any other packages
[03:17] <bubu1uk> actually u might need sudo gedit sources.list
[03:17] <surgy> bash: gedit: command not found
[03:17] <bubu1uk> use nano
[03:17] <bubu1uk> gedit is gnome editor
[03:17] <pamela> try kwrite if you're on kubuntu] 
[03:17] <pamela> hey I'm having a weird problem with sound... I'm asking for help in #alsa but they seem stuck :'( is this an okay place to ask?
[03:18] <mobad> LOL i have NO sources
[03:18] <surgy> ok how do i take away the comment marksd?
[03:18] <bubu1uk> surgy: u using nano?
[03:18] <surgy> yea
[03:19] <mobad> were can i find a source list?
[03:19] <bubu1uk> ok just uncomment those repos that u want to use . basically nano works as normal txt editor. move with arrow keys. del deletes
[03:19] <surgy> bubuluk: yes
[03:19] <surgy> ok kewl
[03:19] <bubu1uk> mobad: /etc/apt
[03:20] <surgy> alt+o to write?
[03:20] <jmichaelx> mobad: there is a deal called easysource, or something like that. can anyone tell mobad where to find that?
[03:20] <bubu1uk> surgy: ctrl + x and enter to confirm save
[03:20] <talljon84> If a user somehow deleted a whole bunch of packages, is there an easy way for me to tell Kubuntu to reinstall all base packages?
[03:21] <surgy> error saving sources.list access denied
[03:21] <bubu1uk> talljon84: lol, user with root rights?
[03:21] <ubuntu> How do I create a ghost image to another HDD?
[03:21] <talljon84> bubu1uk: yes... damn kdesu command
[03:22] <bubu1uk> ah, sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:22] <deeo__> talljon84: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[03:22] <draik> I am on the live CD and want to ghost my primary partiton for kubuntu to my 3rd HDD so that I can bring it back on a bigger HDD
[03:23] <deeo__> draik: you can just copy it all over.
[03:23] <deeo__> draik: then install grub on the new hd
[03:23] <draik> I had an issue doing that
[03:23] <draik> some file in my /dev couldn't be copied
[03:23] <deeo__> or /proc, right?
[03:24] <deeo__> easy fix: don't try to copy those ones
[03:24] <bubu1uk> deeo__: lol
[03:24] <talljon84> deeo_: thanks. lemme try that
[03:24] <mobad> ohh wierd the sources in sources.list were commented out
[03:24] <tmac> hey
[03:24] <tmac> can someone help me out lol
[03:24] <mobad> i fixed it
[03:24] <deeo__> just go to the dev directory and type MAKEDEV general; MAKEDEV std; MAKEDEV local
[03:25] <tmac> has anyone here been able to successfully load XGL onto their kubuntu?
[03:25] <Galathalion> im havin some problems with konqueror. it wont brows sertain sites very well.. anyone?
[03:25] <surgy> ok so i opened the repos and it still kind find the package
[03:25] <tmac> Galathalion: is it just shutting down on certain sites?
[03:25] <bubu1uk> surgy: hmm, that's strange
[03:25] <draik> Could not read /media/hda6/dev/agpgart
[03:26] <deeo__> draik
[03:26] <draik> That's the error I get when I try to copy from my /dev folder to my 3rd HDD
[03:26] <deeo__> did you read what i typed to you
[03:26] <deeo__> please read what i type
[03:26] <Galathalion> tmac: its not shtting down, just get alot of error messeges
[03:26] <surgy> unless im typing something wrong
[03:26] <deeo__> communication hard when no read what type
[03:26] <_tmac_> oh
[03:26] <bubu1uk> surgy: not ur not
[03:26] <_tmac_> I'm having a weird issue with FireFox
[03:26] <surgy> E: Couldn't find package linux-restricted-modules
[03:26] <bubu1uk> hold a sec
[03:26] <_tmac_> whenever I load certain pages, after the page is done loading FFox closes
[03:27] <Galathalion> hmm strange
[03:27] <draik> sorry, missed it...
[03:27] <_tmac_> yeah I was thinking maybe it's the same thing
[03:27] <bubu1uk> surgy: sudo apt-get update
[03:27] <_tmac_> I haven't been able to figure it out yet though
[03:27] <bubu1uk> and then what u wanted to install
[03:27] <draik> ok, so I open up konsole and type MAKEDEV general in my /dev folder?
[03:27] <deeo__> general, std, AND local.
[03:27] <draik> ok
[03:27] <_tmac_> has anyone here managed to set up XGL on kubuntu?
[03:27] <surgy> bubuluk i did that before the repos were added
[03:28] <bubu1uk> surgy: apt needs to reload sourcel
[03:28] <surgy> bubuluk: will there be anything different?
[03:28] <_tmac_> I found a guide online but it really doesn't make any sense
[03:28] <surgy> oh ok
[03:28] <bubu1uk> basicaly those new ones
[03:29] <mobad> damn...
[03:29] <bubu1uk> surgy: worked?
[03:29] <brandon_> does naybody know how to get rid of the kde settings wizard?
[03:29] <surgy> ok i did it again after the sudo apt-get update and got the same error E: Couldn't find package linux-restricted-modules
[03:29] <mobad> do i need to restart to get the package managet to reconize changes to sources.list?
[03:30] <mobad> *manager
[03:30] <bubu1uk> surgy: u have adept installed?
[03:30] <bubu1uk> mobad: nope
[03:30] <surgy> bubuluk what is this "adept" is that the gui for apt-get?
[03:30] <bubu1uk> mobad: just update
[03:30] <surgy> if so then yes
[03:30] <bubu1uk> surgy: yes it it
[03:30] <_tmac_> ya
[03:31] <_tmac_> it's a really nice tool :)
[03:31] <bubu1uk> _tmac_: i like to use it too. ;)
[03:31] <surgy> comes instaled in the defualt package then and ive allready used it to get vlc
[03:31] <_tmac_> it's almost like cheating :D
[03:31] <bubu1uk> lol
[03:31] <mobad> ahhh i got it working thanks!
[03:31] <surgy> bubuluk: so why did you ask abnout it?
[03:31] <_tmac_> anyone here using XGL on kubuntu?
[03:32] <bubu1uk> surgy: use adept, there u can manage repositories, so u can check if ur repos r switched on
[03:32] <_tmac_> or at least know how I can set it up :|
[03:32] <deeo__> _tmac_: the kde window manager XGL bit doesn't work.
[03:32] <deeo__> so... its not really worth your time to setup.
[03:32] <_tmac_> ack :x
[03:32] <_tmac_> hmm
[03:32] <_tmac_> well that explains why I couldn't get it working maybe
[03:32] <deeo__> actually, it hasn't been written
[03:32] <bubu1uk> surgy: didnt know it comes as default. i think i needed to install it. synaptic comes as default as i know
[03:33] <_tmac_> I was reading a guide online, but it wasn't working
[03:33] <deeo__> yeah, me either.
[03:33] <_tmac_> the guide was written for KDE and Gnome
[03:33] <deeo__> i'm pretty sure its just broken.
[03:33] <_tmac_> ah
[03:33] <deeo__> you may try grabbing it from source
[03:33] <deeo__> i haven't tried that, but i also couldn't find
[03:33] <_tmac_> I almost had something come up but then I just screwed up the entire system
[03:33] <deeo__> EXTD=
[03:33] <deeo__> EXTT0=
[03:33] <deeo__> EXTT1=
[03:33] <naegling23> I have xgl running on kde, I used automatix bleeder
[03:34] <_tmac_> oh really?
[03:34] <_tmac_> where can I get that?A
[03:34] <_tmac_> -A
[03:34] <naegling23> the only problem is when I try to change my desktop settings, it crashes
[03:34] <_tmac_> :/
[03:34] <naegling23> just google automatix bleeder, you should be able to find the repositories
[03:34] <bubu1uk> surgy: playin with adept?
[03:34] <surgy> ok i did a search in adept and it brought up about a dozen "linux-restricted-modules"
[03:35] <_tmac_> ok and then I just stick that in my sources.list and it should come up in adept right?
[03:35] <naegling23> yea
[03:35] <bubu1uk> surgy: in konsole type uname -r and u'll know which to choose
[03:35] <_tmac_> ah ok
[03:35] <_tmac_> thanks I'll check it out
[03:35] <naegling23> it just installs
[03:35] <surgy> bubuluk: that doesnt make sense
[03:35] <_tmac_> also -- does anyone else have a problem with FireFox on kubuntu? i'm running KDE on dapper
[03:36] <_tmac_> if i go to some websites, for example weather.yahoo.com, my browser just closes
[03:36] <naegling23> but when you run it, you cant really do much under system settings without it crashing
[03:36] <_tmac_> ah
[03:36] <_tmac_> can you disable it though?
[03:36] <surgy> im not even running adept in konsole
[03:36] <_tmac_> to change your settings
[03:36] <bubu1uk> surgy: well, dont understand either if apt(adept) gives u u can install them and apt-get installl didnt
[03:37] <naegling23> when you log in, you pick between xgl or kde or gnome if you wanted to
[03:37] <_tmac_> ooh
[03:37] <bubu1uk> surgy: open console then
[03:37] <_tmac_> so it's a separate session then
[03:37] <naegling23> well, gnome if you installed it
[03:37] <naegling23> yea
[03:37] <surgy> open
[03:37] <naegling23> Im too much of a noob to explain it correctly though
[03:37] <_tmac_> i downloaded ubuntu and then i installed kde
[03:37] <_tmac_> this is only my 4th day using linux
[03:37] <_tmac_> lol
[03:37] <bubu1uk> open/start, whatever u call it
[03:37] <bubu1uk> lol
[03:38] <naegling23> I think xgl runs a lot more stable on gnome
[03:38] <_tmac_> up til now I've just been googling information on how to do everything
[03:38] <_tmac_> ya
[03:38] <_tmac_> I'll just use gnome for it then
[03:38] <surgy> .....
[03:38] <surgy> now what
[03:38] <naegling23> thats what I would recommend
[03:38] <bubu1uk> uname -r
[03:38] <_tmac_> The only thing I don't like about gnome is that it has a severe lack of options and customization
[03:38] <surgy> this is why linux sucks and isnt more popular
[03:38] <bubu1uk> what u get?
[03:38] <surgy> an open konsole
[03:39] <bubu1uk> it doesnt surgy
[03:39] <_tmac_> but on the other hand, i might just be missing out on some dialog boxes or something
[03:39] <surgy> bubuluk: i know its awsome
[03:39] <naegling23> you can customize, its just not as easy as kde, and you might need to install some stuff
[03:39] <flaccid> does anybody have liveice going ??
[03:39] <surgy> bubuluk: im just frustrated
[03:39] <_tmac_> that's probably why
[03:39] <bubu1uk> i've been many times
[03:39] <_tmac_> i found KDE easier to cusomize, but there were some aspects of gnome I liked better
[03:39] <surgy> bubuluk: i mean seriously why isnt there an rpm for the ati driver? just double click reboot installed?
[03:40] <_tmac_> don't feel bad surgy, I destroyed my linux beyond repair 3 times in 4 days! I actually installed ubuntu 3 times lol
[03:40] <bubu1uk> surgy: cuz kubuntu is debian based, no rpms here. lol
[03:40] <naegling23> hey tmac, thats the same way I started out...a lot of, hey, I shouldnt do that!
[03:40] <surgy> ok i just want to get glxgears above 500 fps so i can load blender and hit the sack
[03:40] <_tmac_> hahaha
[03:40] <_tmac_> yeah
[03:40] <_tmac_> I was editing some files manually in gedit/vim
[03:40] <_tmac_> that i had to sudo edit
[03:41] <surgy> bubuluk: lol oh yeah, well change every rpm with a deb
[03:41] <draik> deeo__,
[03:41] <draik> ubuntu@ubuntu:/media/hda6/dev$ sudo MAKEDEV general
[03:41] <draik> /sbin/MAKEDEV: don't know how to make device "general"
[03:41] <_tmac_> so I'm not surprised that i screwed something up
[03:41] <naegling23> hey everyone, I have a question....
[03:41] <_tmac_> ya
[03:41] <_tmac_> ?
[03:41] <naegling23> when I sudo dpkg --configure -a, I get two files that give me errors
[03:42] <naegling23> but they are for a program that is installed and running
[03:42] <surgy> .,.,
[03:42] <surgy> i opened the konsole, now what.
[03:42] <bubu1uk> surgy: type command uname -r
[03:42] <naegling23> when I use adept, it gets annoying because it gives me an error message, and sometimes crashes after the program is installed
[03:42] <bubu1uk> u get kernel version
[03:43] <surgy> yea
[03:43] <bubu1uk> surgy: something like 2.6.15.....-386
[03:43] <_tmac_> aren't you supposd to use dpkg for installing deb packages?
[03:43] <bubu1uk> what u get?
[03:43] <surgy> now just match that to my adept findings and get the right one?
[03:43] <bubu1uk> yes,
[03:43] <surgy> 2.6 kernal with amd lol duh
[03:43] <surgy> 2.6.15-23-amd64-generic
[03:43] <TehUni> i have a 3 monitor setup. Currently i'm using xinerama and it's sloooow. Would it be possible to use twinview for the first 2 monitors, then a seperate X session for the 3rd? The 3rd monitor is for my XP VM, so it doesnt matter if i cant move the windows around
[03:43] <naegling23> yea, that command fixes adept when it breaks, I have no idea what it really means, or does, but it fixes stuff
[03:43] <_tmac_> oh
[03:44] <_tmac_> all I know is that dpkg is used to install .deb packages
[03:44] <_tmac_> that's what I was using to try and get XGL on here
[03:44] <bubu1uk> surgy: what was that package called?
[03:44] <naegling23> for the heads up tmac, im only about 4 weeks into this linux stuff
[03:44] <_tmac_> i'm 4 days
[03:44] <_tmac_> with our powers combined
[03:44] <_tmac_> we may be able to figure something out.
[03:44] <_tmac_> lol
[03:44] <naegling23> we know nothing
[03:45] <_tmac_> hahahaha
[03:45] <_tmac_> what did you say that thing was called again-- for the XGL ??? something bleeder
[03:45] <surgy> bubuluk: linux-restricted-modules
[03:46] <_tmac_> this is really irritating is there a hotkey i can use to switch desktops on KDE? besides the mousewheel on the desktop?
[03:46] <jmichaelx> automatixbleeder
[03:46] <_tmac_> thanks michael
[03:46] <jmichaelx> np
[03:47] <_tmac_> is everyone here running KDE?
[03:47] <_tmac_> i mean the chan name is >k<ubuntu but i didn't want to make any assumtions
[03:47] <jmichaelx> right now i am in damn small linux running fluxbox :-D
[03:47] <_tmac_> ah
[03:47] <bubu1uk> surgy: ahh, that's why it didnt work with command u gave with apt-get
[03:47] <_tmac_> for whatever reason my firefox just automatically closes if i go to certain websites
[03:47] <jmichaelx> but i am a PC right next to me running kubuntu
[03:48] <jmichaelx> _tmac_: such as?
[03:48] <bubu1uk> surgy: there is no package named 2.6.15-23-amd64-generic
[03:48] <surgy> oh and i was wandering(this is a question for any of you cyber law freaks) if it is "open source" and under the GNU then does that technichly mean that only the source has to be free? IE cedega or does that mean the whole program has to be free IE Debian core 2.6?
[03:48] <_tmac_> weather.yahoo.com is one of them lol
[03:48] <_tmac_> i was trying to configure my gdesklet for weather and i couldn't get it to work
[03:48] <jmichaelx> lemme look in firefox and kubuntu
[03:48] <_tmac_> so i tried getting the manual URL for it and it crashed
[03:48] <_tmac_> ok
[03:48] <surgy> bubuluk: so what your telling me is that , since i chose the 64 bit adition of kubuntu i wont be able to get radeon driver or fglrx working?
[03:49] <bubu1uk> surgy: dunno, not big hardware geek. lol. does any of those u have listed fit to ur amd? k7 or something?
[03:50] <surgy> umm
[03:50] <flaccid> !mpg123
[03:50] <ubotu> mpg123: MPEG layer 1/2/3 audio player. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 0.59r-21 (dapper), package size 93 kB, installed size 284 kB (Only available for i386 alpha powerpc m68k arm sparc hppa)
[03:50] <surgy> bubuluk: is an athlon64 3200+ count as a K7 ? lol
[03:51] <TehUni> yup
[03:51] <jmichaelx> _tmac_: i dunno, this PC had no problem with weather.yahoo.com
[03:51] <_tmac_> that's so weird, why would it just close randomly?
[03:51] <_tmac_> it doesn't close until the page is done loading completely
[03:51] <bubu1uk> surgy: i dont know.
[03:51] <TehUni> bubu1uk: if you're trying to figure out which kernel for your a64 then yea, k7.
[03:52] <jmichaelx> _tmac_: i wonder if there is something on that page that is using flash, or something else your PC does not have installed
[03:52] <bubu1uk> TehUni: not me, but surgy. lol. i have this problem sorted. lol
[03:52] <surgy> bubuluk: lol its allready installed, man i feal stupid, and there is a 2.6 amd64 one
[03:52] <jmichaelx> _tmac_: do you have the most recent firefox from the repos?
[03:53] <TehUni> i have a 3 monitor setup. Currently i'm using xinerama and it's sloooow. Would it be possible to use twinview for the first 2 monitors, then a seperate X session for the 3rd? The 3rd monitor is for my XP VM, so it doesnt matter if i cant move the windows around
[03:53] <naegling23> flash shouldnt cause firefox to crash though, it just wont do anything
[03:53] <bubu1uk> surgy: i dont have that in my repos. but i might have not same repos cuz am on i386 system
[03:53] <surgy> bubuluk: or it is filtered into "compatable deb packages"
[03:54] <jmichaelx> naegling23: yeah, that is true.... unless maybe the page is requiring flash 9 , which is not the case
[03:54] <jmichaelx> i have no idea why that page would crash for him
[03:54] <bubu1uk> surgy: no idea
[03:54] <bubu1uk> lol
[03:54] <bubu1uk> so u have it installed now?
[03:55] <_tmac_> jmichaelx: i would assume i have the latest I'm pretty sure i've updated a few times
[03:55] <_tmac_> jmichaelx: what's the command again, to update? apt-get update?
[03:55] <bubu1uk> tmac: yes
[03:55] <_tmac_> would that update all my installed software
[03:55] <bubu1uk> tmac: nope
[03:55] <_tmac_> ah ok
[03:55] <bubu1uk> use apt-get update
[03:55] <bubu1uk> and then apt-get upgrade
[03:55] <_tmac_> and that'll do everything?
[03:56] <bubu1uk> yes,
[03:56] <jmichaelx> _tmac_: yep
[03:56] <_tmac_> cool :)
[03:56] <_tmac_> i'm setting up a bunch of other junk right now
[03:56] <_tmac_> i'm pretty sure i've run both of those commands before though
[03:56] <_tmac_> I'll check it out when this thing here is done
[03:56] <bubu1uk> update is only to update list/database from repos
[03:56] <talljon84> If a computer has an Audigy card but no sound is being produced, what would you suggest as a first couple steps to troubleshoot the problem?
[03:57] <bubu1uk> throw it out of window?
[03:57] <bubu1uk> :p
[03:57] <jmichaelx> make sure the window is open , first... sudo apt-get install windows-open
[03:57] <bubu1uk> surgy: did u managed to install those modules?
[03:58] <jmichaelx> ok, i am sorry about that. one too many beers tonight
[03:58] <bubu1uk> jmichaelx: lol
[03:59] <surgy> rebooting
[03:59] <_tmac_> is it possible to set a hotkey for desktops in KDE
[03:59] <surgy> brb
[03:59] <bubu1uk> ok, it's bed time. got to work in morning. 3 am here. gonna be dead at work again.
[03:59] <bubu1uk> surgy: best luck then.
[03:59] <bubu1uk> l8ters
[04:00] <alex_> can anyone tell me where the C header files are located in dapper?
[04:01] <naegling23> wow, heres another problem, trying to access my disk and filesystem, I get an error, with possible diagnostics:  An error occured druing the last upgrade, or third party modules are lying around???? so uh????
[04:01] <shadowr3d> Hello Everyone I'm Just Happy Because I Got My Sound To Work On Xp YAY.
[04:01] <_tmac_> windows xp?
[04:01] <shadowr3d> Yeah
[04:02] <_tmac_> doesn't xp come with default drivers that do everything
[04:02] <surgy> hi
[04:02] <shadowr3d> Yeah but they didnt work so i had to erase my hard drive and reinstall xp and kubuntu and viola
[04:02] <surgy> ok i thought i knew how to test with glxgears
[04:03] <surgy> but how do i do it again so that it displays my fps?
[04:03] <shadowr3d> Took a long time
[04:03] <surgy> and what is the newest version of opengl? isnt it 1,4?
[04:03] <_tmac_> naegling23:  you said you had a lot of crashes with automatix bleeder right? are you using ATI or NVidia card?
[04:03] <naegling23> no, im not running xgl
[04:03] <naegling23> right now
[04:04] <_tmac_> oh
[04:04] <_tmac_> but when you did
[04:04] <surgy> anyone?
[04:04] <_tmac_> what video card are you using
[04:04] <naegling23> oh, im sorry, i thought you were trying to answer my question
[04:04] <naegling23> nvidea
[04:04] <shadowr3d> An Ati
[04:04] <surgy> ubotu ati
[04:04] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:04] <_tmac_> oh
[04:04] <_tmac_> hmm
[04:04] <_tmac_> opengl.org should have the latest version listed, too, btw for whoever was asking
[04:04] <_tmac_> ya I got my drivers on now
[04:04] <shadowr3d> ubotu xp
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[04:05] <shadowr3d> cool
[04:05] <shadowr3d> ubotu is like a bot that answers quetions
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[04:07] <kilrae> ubotu windows
[04:07] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. Also see http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 - !equivalents - http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm
[04:08] <Hawkwind> shadowr3d: Please stop playing with the bot
[04:08] <shadowr3d> ok
[04:08] <mobad> where can i find the latest automatix? or the best automated installer?
[04:08] <shadowr3d> hehe
[04:08] <shadowr3d> sorry
[04:08] <shadowr3d> ubotu automatix
[04:08] <ubotu> automatix is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://www.getautomatix.com/ ; For help with and discussion of automatix please join #automatix.
[04:08] <mobad> ok thx
[04:08] <surgy> can anyone help me?
[04:08] <surgy> with glxgears?
[04:08] <shadowr3d> sure
[04:09] <shadowr3d> actually
[04:09] <surgy> how do i make it output my fps?
[04:09] <shadowr3d> i dunno im a little above newbie
[04:10] <draik> Hawkwind... I know you have the answer..
[04:10] <draik> I am trying to backup everything on my HDD to my 3rd HDD
[04:10] <highneko> How do I install wine?! I found this http://www.winehq.com/site/download-deb but can't find Synaptic.
[04:10] <surgy> ./././.
[04:10] <draik> I am on the Live CD (Kubuntu)
[04:10] <Hawkwind> surgy: glxgears -display
[04:10] <surgy> thnx
[04:10] <Hawkwind> !wine
[04:10] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[04:11] <Hawkwind> highneko: Also talk to the guys in #WineHQ as they are experts
[04:11] <draik> I tried to copy everything from my primary HDD to my 3rd, but only folders were being copied, not the actual files within them
[04:11] <surgy> it still didnt output my fps
[04:11] <highneko> Hawkwind: Ok thnx.
[04:11] <draik> Hawkwind, what do you suggest I do to copy everything to my 3rd HDD
[04:11] <_tmac_> !xgl
[04:11] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[04:12] <Hawkwind> draik: cp -a /old/path /new/path
[04:12] <draik> I am trying     sudo cp /media/hda6 /media/hdb1/tmp/Backup          but I get an error that it's omitting the folder
[04:12] <draik> ok
[04:12] <draik> thank you
[04:13] <_tmac_> lol that yahoo site still makes my firefox crash
[04:15] <draik> Thank you Hawkwind... that seems to be doing the trick
[04:18] <calvin> 1
[04:22] <MattyMatt> Where is the setting for the animation of tooltips on the taskbar?
[04:25] <shadowr3d> !wine
[04:25] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[04:27] <draik> Hawkwind, is there a way of seeing the progress?
[04:28] <we6jbo_> I can count to 10 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
[04:28] <mobad> ... o.O
[04:28] <draik> ... ummmm.... o...k
[04:29] <draik> bot?
[04:29] <we6jbo_> robot going to dinner brb
[04:30] <Nickname> hi all...i downloaded and burned the iso but when it boots It boots to Caldara doctor dos is that normal?
[04:30] <mobad> ahhhhhhh he must be Adam Sandlers "Gay Robot"!
[04:31] <draik> mobadass, Adam Sandler has a gaybot?
[04:31] <Nickname> Anyone?
[04:31] <Mobadass> No, he made a audio skit about a gay robot
[04:31] <draik> sorry, that's what I meant
[04:31] <draik> What album?
[04:32] <Mobadass> Not sure but search on your favourite P2P program for "gay robot" and it should find it.
[04:32] <draik> kew
[04:33] <draik> I'm doing a ghost image to my other HDD ATM, so I will once I get back on to my full version of kubuntu... rather than this Live CD
[04:33] <draik> I never had a lag on this desktop with the Live CD until now
[04:33] <shadowr3d> ubotu xine
[04:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xine - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:33] <draik> and everything seems to be in order
[04:33] <shadowr3d> ubotu apt
[04:33] <ubotu> apt is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto  -  Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[04:34] <Mobadass> I just installed Kubuntu today (after having Xubuntu for a while :/ didn't like it)
[04:34] <Zeergon> Im getting caldera dr-dos on boot is that normal?
[04:34] <draik> Sysinfo for 'ubuntu': Linux 2.6.15-23-386 running KDE 3.5.2, CPU: Intel(R)Pentium(R)4CPU3.20GHz at 3218 MHz (6437 bogomips), , RAM: 2912/3035MB, 106 proc's, 1.21h up
[04:34] <draik> Sysinfo for 'ubuntu': Linux 2.6.15-23-386 running KDE 3.5.2, CPU: Intel(R)Pentium(R)4CPU3.20GHz at 3218 MHz (6437 bogomips), , RAM: 2913/3035MB, 107 proc's, 1.21h up
[04:34] <draik> ugh
[04:34] <draik> bad lag
[04:34] <surgy> hey guys
[04:34] <draik> didn't mean to /sysinfo twice
[04:34] <surgy> whats the defualt boot loader of kubuntu?
[04:34] <shadowr3d> Mobadass how is xubuntu?
[04:34] <surgy> Sysinfo for 'derek': Linux 2.6.15-26-amd64-generic running KDE 3.5.2, CPU: AMDAthlon643200+ at 2199 MHz (4410 bogomips), , RAM: 311/500MB, 89 proc's, 34.33min up
[04:34] <Mobadass> Well i REALLY hate xfce.
[04:34] <shadowr3d> ubotu whats the default boot loader of kubuntu
[04:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about whats the default boot loader of kubuntu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:34] <shadowr3d> whats xfc
[04:35] <shadowr3d> xfce*
[04:35] <draik> xfce is a lighter version of KDE and GNOME
[04:35] <surgy> ubotu how do i change my boot order
[04:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about how do i change my boot order - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:35] <shadowr3d> i dont get it
[04:35] <surgy> i want windows to be the defualt boot if no key is pressed
[04:35] <shadowr3d> ubotu xfce
[04:35] <Mobadass> ubotu efce
[04:35] <ubotu> Xubuntu is Ubuntu with XFCE, for more info, see http://www.xubuntu.org. To install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[04:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about efce - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:36] <surgy> ubotu grub
[04:36] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[04:36] <shadowr3d> www.winehq.com
[04:36] <shadowr3d> woops
[04:36] <shadowr3d> wrong channel
[04:36] <surgy> ubotu kubuntu grub
[04:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kubuntu grub - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:37] <draik> ubotu grub
[04:37] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[04:38] <alexicon> yes i have grub trouble too :P
[04:38] <alexicon> i reformated my kubuntu parition and lost grub with it
[04:38] <draik> click on the first link
[04:38] <alexicon> thanks ubotu >_>
[04:38] <draik> you can get it back
[04:38] <alexicon> kk
[04:38] <sseleman> how does one enable dapper-backports?
[04:39] <draik> careful who you ask... some don't like it at all
[04:39] <sseleman> well supposedly I must do that to install amarok 1.4.3
[04:39] <draik> How long does it take to backup 22GB?
[04:39] <Mobadass> cooool someone from vancouver!
[04:40] <surgy> anyone: how whould i configure the defualt boot loader to load windows by defualt if no key is pressed?
[04:40] <alexicon> move it to the top of the list surgy
[04:40] <alexicon> in the grub.conf or menu.conf whatever its called now
[04:40] <draik> surgy, configure your grub...     kdesu kate /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:40] <alexicon> menu.lst indeed
[04:41] <draik> and under the default boot, choose the boot from your winxp partition
[04:41] <surgy> draik: what is this "kdesu kate" command?
[04:41] <draik> KDE SuperUser   K Advanced Text Editor
[04:42] <sseleman> draid any idea on the backports, or are you one of those who should not be asked?  :P
[04:42] <draik> if you want the really long form...
[04:42] <sseleman> *draik
[04:42] <surgy> umm I386 programs wont run under amd64 distros right,,,,,,
[04:42] <draik> I don't know, I'm just saying that there are some that are opposed to it... as I saw the previous weekend
[04:42] <draik> ^^sseleman
[04:42] <sseleman> ah
[04:43] <draik> consider it my disclaimer, but just know that you might not get an answer on that topic
[04:43] <Zeergon> so when the LIVE CD loads what am I suppoded to see?  Im getting DOS at the moment...
[04:43] <draik> sseleman, try here    http://www.google.com/linux
[04:43] <Mobadass> damn the internet is going slow
[04:43] <shadowr3d> ubotu desktop
[04:43] <ubotu> The available desktop environments in Ubuntu are Gnome (ubuntu-desktop), KDE (kubuntu-desktop), XCFE (xubuntu-desktop), IceWM, Fluxbox, WindowMaker (wmaker), FVWM  and others.
[04:44] <draik> It's funny how I used to read WindowMaker as WidowMaker... I just thought that was a little messed up
[04:45] <Mobadass> lol
[04:45] <dein> you forgot CLI ubotu
[04:45] <sh4d3z> what is the comm to refresh the kde desktop?
[04:45] <draik> Mobadass, I don't know about the net, but my desktop sure it
[04:45] <draik> *sure is
[04:45] <Mobadass> lol
[04:45] <Mobadass> im getting lik 20k
[04:45] <surgy> ok i dont undertsna
[04:45] <dein> ctrl+alt+backspace?
[04:46] <sh4d3z> ahh thanx!
[04:46] <surgy> draik: what exactly do i need to do to my grub file in order to make windows my defualt boot?
[04:46] <draik> I'm backing up 22GB ATM... that's probably why its so slow
[04:46] <draik> surgy, what is your partition for winxp?
[04:46] <highneko> Where's winecfg? It's not in my /home/user/.wine/
[04:47] <surgy> draik windows partition id (hd0,0)
[04:47] <highneko> !wine
[04:47] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[04:48] <surgy> draik: help?
[04:48] <draik> surgy, when listed... you have 3 Kubuntu boot options and then winxp?
[04:49] <draik> sorry, I have a lag
[04:49] <surgy> draik: make that 5 kubuntu if you add my updated roll backs and then windows
[04:49] <kilrae> [22:48]  <-- sh4d3z has left this server (Remote closed the connection).
[04:49] <kilrae> meanie
[04:49] <draik> so you have 5 Kubuntu plus winxp, which makes winxp your sixth?
[04:50] <shadowr3d> how do i install wine using adept
[04:50] <surgy> draik: correct
[04:50] <shadowr3d> anyone able to take me step by step
[04:50] <kilrae> ubotu internet explorer
[04:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about internet explorer - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:51] <draik> ok
[04:51] <surgy> shadowr3d: apt-get install wine
[04:51] <mr_daemon> Heyo I have a problem. the audiocd:/ kioslave keeps querying what seems to be a rather crappy cddb server, which keeps identifying my CDs wrong... is there a way to change the cddb server used by KDE in general, or just edit the darned tracks myself...?
[04:51] <shadowr3d> o...k
[04:51] <draik> so then your "Default" should be set to 5
[04:51] <surgy> draik: please explain?
[04:52] <draik> surgy, when you look at your menu.lst, you will see that around Line 14 you have       default 0
[04:52] <draik> correct?
[04:52] <draik> correct/
[04:52] <draik> correct?
[04:52] <surgy> hold
[04:52] <shadowr3d> when i did apt-get install wine i got this
[04:52] <shadowr3d> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[04:52] <shadowr3d> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[04:52] <draik> sorry, I was lagging... not sure if   "correct?" went through
[04:52] <surgy> lol
[04:52] <surgy> ok its set to 0
[04:53] <draik> Ok
[04:53] <draik> set it to 5
[04:53] <shadowr3d> any able to help
[04:53] <draik> default  5
[04:53] <surgy> but if windows is the 6th down then why whould i set defualt to 0?
[04:53] <shadowr3d> nevermind
[04:53] <surgy> i mean 5*
[04:53] <shadowr3d> ill go to winhq
[04:53] <shadowr3d> duh
[04:53] <shadowr3d> #winehq
[04:53] <draik> shadowr3d
[04:53] <rory> Hey all, I have a quick question, when i go to System Settings > Display, i get the error "the module Display could not be loaded"
[04:53] <alexicon> can a boot partition be as small as 7mb?
[04:53] <draik> try this...
[04:53] <rory> when i run kcmshell displayconfig i get this:
[04:53] <draik> sudo apt-get install wine
[04:53] <surgy> shadowr3d: try sudo apt-get install wine
[04:53] <shadowr3d> ok
[04:54] <draik> lol
[04:54] <draik> WOOHOOO
[04:54] <draik> no more lag
[04:54] <rory> well i get a bunch of python errors, i won't pollute the channel with pasting it right now
[04:54] <rory> but any ideas?
[04:54] <surgy> draik: why should i set defualt to 5 when the windows is 6 in the list?
[04:54] <shadowr3d> now i got this
[04:54] <shadowr3d> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[04:54] <shadowr3d> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[04:54] <surgy> close adept and try again
[04:54] <draik> Because in all digital sense, 0 is a number... 0 is first
[04:54] <surgy> try it in konsole without adept running
[04:54] <surgy> draik: duh lol
[04:55] <surgy> draik: next on the agenda, blender is only in an I386 distro, does that mean it wont work on my kubuntu 64?
[04:55] <draik> That I wouldn't know
[04:55] <draik> sorry :(
[04:56] <rory> so anyone out there have any idea why i'm getting the "module display could not be loaded" in system settings
[04:59] <draik> shadowr3d, did you get it installed?
[04:59] <alexicon> i seem to have a 7mb parition of unallocated space
[04:59] <alexicon> is that big enough for a boot partition?
[04:59] <shadowr3d> no
[04:59] <alexicon> ok
[04:59] <shadowr3d> sadly no
[04:59] <draik> what's your error?
[04:59] <shadowr3d> um i cant use synaptic
[05:00] <shadowr3d> well i can open it
[05:00] <shadowr3d> but then what
[05:00] <surgy> ok whats the kseru ksudu giberish that i need to edit the grub.conf in a gui again?
[05:00] <surgy> draik: you know this i know you do :)
[05:00] <draik> surgy,        kdesu kate /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:01] <surgy> draik: many thnx
[05:01] <rory> ok, sorry to pollute, but here's the error i get from system settings:
[05:01] <rory> Traceback (most recent call last):
[05:01] <rory>   File "<string>", line 8, in kcontrol_bridge_create_displayconfig
[05:01] <rory>   File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/displayconfig.py", line 1677, in create_displayconfig
[05:01] <rory>     return DisplayApp(parent, name)
[05:01] <draik> shadowr3d, in synaptic just scroll ALL the way down to the "W" and find WINE on the list
[05:01] <rory>   File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/displayconfig.py", line 443, in __init__
[05:01] <rory>     self.xsetup = XSetup(self.xconfigpath)
[05:01] <Hawkwind> !paste
[05:01] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[05:01] <draik> click on it and select "reinstall"
[05:01] <rory>   File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/displayconfigabstraction.py", line 156, in __init__
[05:01] <rory>     xorg_unused_device_sections.remove(device_section)
[05:01] <rory> ValueError: list.remove(x): x not in list
[05:01] <rory> error: *** runFunction failure
[05:01] <rory> any ideas would be much appreciated
[05:01] <Hawkwind> rory: Please don't paste here
[05:01] <rory> ah, cool, i'll use that from now on
[05:02] <shadowr3d> draik its not there
[05:02] <shadowr3d> i dont know how to use the repositries
[05:03] <we6jbo_> I have a question
[05:03] <we6jbo_> I know I had a question but I can't remember what that question was
[05:03] <Mobadass> LOL
[05:06] <Mobadass> are there any IRC bots with GUI's for Linux?
[05:06] <ironfroggy> if i have a cups driver setup and working properly from kprint, why might firefox say its printing to it, i can see the print job in the queue, and it says it prints successfully according to kjobviewer, but the printer never responds.
[05:06] <ironfroggy> nothing gives any indication of error, except the lack of response from the printer, which the software seems unaware of, so where do i look?
[05:07] <shadowr3d> ubotu distro
[05:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about distro - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:07] <Mobadass> :P i have to try this
[05:07] <Mobadass> ubotu sex
[05:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sex - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:08] <Mobadass> xD
[05:08] <firesuite_> lol
[05:08] <shadowr3d> o my gosh
[05:09] <seth> don't abuse the bot, please.
[05:09] <Mobadass> heh sorry but i jsut had to try it
[05:09] <shadowr3d> can anyone help me install wine
[05:09] <shadowr3d> please
[05:09] <Mobadass> whats wrong with it?
[05:09] <shadowr3d> using synaptic or adept
[05:09] <shadowr3d> not sudo apt-get install wine
[05:10] <Mobadass> just search for wine and intall
[05:10] <shadowr3d> i tried that
[05:10] <draik> shadowr3d, try this...          sudo apt-cache search wine
[05:11] <shadowr3d> i got nothing
[05:11] <Hawkwind> shadowr3d: deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt dapper main
[05:11] <Hawkwind> shadowr3d: Add that line to your /etc/apt/sources.list file
[05:11] <shadowr3d> how
[05:11] <Hawkwind> shadowr3d: Then do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install wine
[05:11] <Hawkwind> shadowr3d: By editing the file
[05:12] <Hawkwind> shadowr3d: kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:12] <shadowr3d> could you walk me through
[05:12] <Hawkwind> I just did
[05:12] <Mobadass> or just ue automatix to install wine
[05:12] <shadowr3d> what do i do first and where
[05:12] <neddiW> ubotu adept
[05:12] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[05:12] <Hawkwind> shadowr3d: kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:12] <Hawkwind> shadowr3d: Then add that line I gave you to the bottom of the file
[05:12] <shadowr3d> wait
[05:12] <shadowr3d> where do i add that
[05:12] <Hawkwind> Mobadass: If he doesn't have sources setup it won't install
[05:13] <Hawkwind> shadowr3d: I just told you
[05:13] <Mobadass> ok
[05:13] <shadowr3d> konsole?
[05:13] <Hawkwind> shadowr3d: In a terminal type:  kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:13] <Hawkwind> shadowr3d: Yes
[05:13] <shadowr3d> o
[05:14] <shadowr3d> now what
[05:14] <Hawkwind> shadowr3d: Did you add the line to the file ?
[05:15] <shadowr3d> which one...sorry for the trouble
[05:15] <draik> Hawkwind, what is the purpose to    &&
[05:15] <Hawkwind> deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt dapper main
[05:15] <shadowr3d> the whole thing
[05:15] <Hawkwind> draik: It means when the first command is done, then run the one after the &&
[05:16] <Hawkwind> shadowr3d: Yes
[05:16] <Azmodan> Hi.  I need an advice.  My printer died and I'm looking to buy a new one.  Which would you suggest that is not too expensive (student budget) and compatible with K/Ubuntu?
[05:16] <doppelganger_> hey guys, i need help reaal quick
[05:16] <Hawkwind> shadowr3d: Just as I typed it
[05:16] <shadowr3d> ok
[05:16] <draik> Hawkwind, as opposed to a single   &   ?
[05:16] <doppelganger_> i've just updated compiz, now i can't see any of the titlebars of my windows to move them around
[05:16] <doppelganger_> any ideas?
[05:16] <Hawkwind> draik: A & runs things in the background
[05:16] <shadowr3d> now what
[05:16] <Hawkwind> shadowr3d: Did you save the file ?
[05:16] <doppelganger_> i've asked in #xgl with no response yet
[05:16] <shadowr3d> no how
[05:16] <draik> Thank you Hawkwind
[05:16] <Hawkwind> Azmodan: I have an Epson Stylus Photo R220 that I got for $80
[05:16] <Hawkwind> shadowr3d: Click on 'Save'
[05:17] <Hawkwind> doppelganger_: #Ubuntu-XGL
[05:17] <shadowr3d> ok
[05:17] <shadowr3d> now what
[05:17] <Hawkwind> shadowr3d: You saved it ?
[05:17] <shadowr3d> yes
[05:17] <Hawkwind> shadowr3d: Close that window then
[05:17] <shadowr3d> i clicked on the floppy thing
[05:17] <Azmodan> Hawkwind: No compatibility problems?
[05:17] <shadowr3d> ok
[05:17] <Hawkwind> shadowr3d: Then in a terminal type this:    sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install wine
[05:17] <Hawkwind> Azmodan: None
[05:17] <shadowr3d> ok
[05:17] <dr_willis_> Egads! not the floppy thing!
[05:17] <dr_willis_> :)
[05:17] <Azmodan> Hawkwind: Great.  I'll look it up.  Thanks
[05:18] <Hawkwind> Azmodan: It prints on CD/DVD as well.  You can do it in Linux, but it can be tricky
[05:18] <shadowr3d> i got this
[05:18] <shadowr3d> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[05:18] <shadowr3d> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[05:18] <tekian_> As weird as this sounds, is there anyway to uninstall kubuntu after installing ubuntu-desktop?
[05:18] <Hawkwind> shadowr3d: Do you have adept open ?
[05:18] <shadowr3d> yeah
[05:18] <Hawkwind> shadowr3d: Close it
[05:18] <shadowr3d> o
[05:18] <Azmodan> I don't need it for CD/DVDs anyway.  Or even photos.
[05:18] <Hawkwind> shadowr3d: You can't have adept open when doing apt-get from a terminal
[05:18] <draik> tekian_, I am not sure, but I think that if you uninstall kubuntu-dektop, it should do the trick for you
[05:19] <shadowr3d> oooooooooooooo
[05:19] <Hawkwind> Azmodan: It's a very good printer IMO
[05:19] <shadowr3d> everytime i did that i had either adept or synaptic open no wonder
[05:19] <dr_willis_> tekian_,  basicially you select/uninstall all the related packatges.. no simple way to do it
[05:19] <shadowr3d> I Reccomend Hawkwind
[05:19] <tekian_> Thats what I was afraid of =)
[05:19] <shadowr3d> I Reccomend Hawkwind
[05:19] <shadowr3d> I Reccomend Hawkwind
[05:19] <shadowr3d> I Reccomend Hawkwind
[05:19] <shadowr3d> I Reccomend Hawkwind
[05:19] <shadowr3d> I Reccomend Hawkwind
[05:19] <shadowr3d> I Reccomend Hawkwind
[05:19] <LoRez> Warning: `shadowr3d' seems to be spamming, please discontinue or kicks/kills/klines will be issued.
[05:20] <shadowr3d> ok
[05:20] <shadowr3d> sorry
[05:20] <Hawkwind> shadowr3d: Please don't do that again
[05:20] <shadowr3d> ok
[05:20] <Azmodan> Hawkwind: Cool.  My last one was an epson too but the colours weren't that good with Linux. It was a CX4600.
[05:20] <Hawkwind> shadowr3d: Flooding like that can and will get you kicked from the channel
[05:20] <shadowr3d> thanks a lot man
[05:20] <shadowr3d> yeah
[05:20] <__mikem> Is LoRez a bot that fires off a warning
[05:20] <Kadran> hi
[05:20] <shadowr3d> hank You
[05:20] <shadowr3d> Thank You*
[05:20] <Kadran> i keep seeing this error message,
[05:20] <Kadran> Couldn't connect DCOP signal.
[05:20] <Kadran> Won't receive any status notifications!
[05:21] <Kadran> any help ?
[05:21] <shadowr3d> now it installed is it any where
[05:21] <shadowr3d> what do i do now
[05:22] <shadowr3d> it installed?
[05:22] <shadowr3d> it finishe
[05:22] <Hawkwind> shadowr3d: From a terminal type:  wine  but you should join #WineHQ and ask the experts
[05:22] <shadowr3d> finished*
[05:22] <shadowr3d> k
[05:22] <Kadran> hi Hawkwind, how are you?
[05:22] <Hawkwind> Kadran: Doing well...and yourself ?
[05:23] <Kadran> Hawkwind: i am fine, thanks
[05:23] <Kadran> i keep seeing this error message i don't know what to do with it
[05:23] <Kadran> Couldn't connect DCOP signal.
[05:23] <Kadran> Won't receive any status notifications!
[05:23] <shadowr3d> Thank You Hawkwind I thank you a lot
[05:23] <shadowr3d> Its here yaaaay
[05:24] <shadowr3d> now goodnight
[05:24] <Hawkwind> shadowr3d: Good night
[05:24] <shadowr3d> i really do reccomend you
[05:24] <shadowr3d> bye everyone
[05:33] <Kr4t05> Could someone help me with my xawtv problem.
[05:33] <Kr4t05> ?
[05:33] <Kr4t05> Here's a pastebin of the console error.
[05:33] <__mikem> Whats your xawtv problem
[05:34] <Kr4t05> __mikem: http://pastebin.ca/166643
[05:34] <__mikem> first of all, don't use XFree86, use x.org
[05:34] <Kr4t05> __mikem: I am.
[05:34] <Kr4t05> __mikem: I thought...
[05:34] <amicrawler> were do i get win32codecs for ubuntu?
[05:35] <__mikem> according to that error you are not, second of all, was xawtv launched from an x session
[05:35] <Kr4t05> !w32codecs > ami
[05:35] <Kr4t05> !w32codecs > amicrawler
[05:35] <ironfroggy> are there no cups experts around? maybe someone who has successfully gotten firefox to use a cups printer?
[05:35] <Kr4t05> __mikem: yeah
[05:36] <__mikem> Okay, then I don't know what to tell you having never used it
[05:36] <__mikem> sorry
[05:36] <draik> What is the point of the /dev folder?
[05:36] <draik> I have files there that won't copy
[05:36] <dr_willis_> all the time ironfroggy
[05:37] <larson9999> Kr4t05: i know your problem.  at least it looks like the one i just had for myself.  you need to call xawtv with dga disabled
[05:37] <draik> permission denied, even under sudo
[05:37] <Kr4t05> larson9999: right on.
[05:37] <__mikem> draik, I would't play around with the /dev folder if I were you, thats where discriptors for your devices are stored
[05:37] <Hawkwind> draik: /dev is where all you links to your hda, hdb, cdrom and so on
[05:37] <__mikem> you could seriously screw things up in there
[05:37] <draik> and if I can't copy them?
[05:37] <__mikem> you can't copy them because they are refferences to hardware
[05:38] <Hawkwind> draik: You shouldn't be copying them
[05:38] <draik> I just want to copy them for backup, but there are quite a few things that won't copy over
[05:38] <ironfroggy> dr_willis_: im having weird trouple. all indications are that the pages are printing just fine. except that the printer doesnt do squat.
[05:38] <Hawkwind> draik: You can't
[05:38] <ironfroggy> dr_willis_: works if i print from anything else, however.
[05:38] <__mikem> draik are you SERIOUS?
[05:38] <dr_willis_> ironfroggy,  check the cups logs.
[05:38] <larson9999> Kr4t05: did that work then?
[05:38] <draik> so what do I do when I try to bring back my backup and those files are missing?
[05:38] <dr_willis_> ironfroggy,   and be sure ya dont have somthing set weird in firefox for its printing settings. :p
[05:39] <Kr4t05> draik: they won't. Linux detects your hardware and repopulates /dev with each boot.
[05:39] <ironfroggy> dr_willis_: cups logs says the job is successful.
[05:39] <larson9999> i'm bringing windows into my rotation
[05:39] <draik> so I don't have to worry about it at all?
[05:40] <ironfroggy> dr_willis_: and i dont even see anything in firefox settings about printing
[05:40] <__mikem> no you don't, personally I think you should pick up a nice thick O'Rielly Book on linux and enjoy draik
[05:40] <draik> I have Linux Pocket Guide
[05:40] <draik> from O'REILLY
[05:40] <dr_willis_>  ironfroggy  nope. they started using cups by default and that eliminated most all the needed settings.
[05:41] <__mikem> Obviously it isn't doing you a lot of good
[05:41] <Kr4t05> Bah... ><
[05:41] <larson9999> the unix programming environment?
[05:41] <dr_willis_> i cant recall ever seeing a issue like that ironfroggy
[05:41] <draik> just got it
[05:41] <__mikem> Did you try reading it?
[05:41] <draik> been switching between that book and Beginning Ubuntu Linux
[05:41] <ironfroggy> dr_willis_: i have no idea where to look, when everything seems to be saying there is no problem.
[05:41] <ironfroggy> my not-quick fix is to print to file and then print that.
[05:41] <draik> so I should leave it alone?
[05:41] <ironfroggy> but how tedious for a small file.
[05:42] <draik> Just continue with the rest of my backup
[05:42] <dr_willis_> print to a ps file.
[05:42] <__mikem> You should try NOT to touch /dev until you have some idea what you are doing
[05:42] <draik> and when I do my restore, it will be fine
[05:42] <draik> ?
[05:42] <__mikem> yes
[05:42] <draik> thank you
[05:42] <draik> I will do that now
[05:42] <draik> Thank you
[05:42] <dr_willis_> try some other browsers.. see if they have similer issue
[05:42] <Kr4t05> This model of the of webcam must be very rare. ><
[05:42] <dr_willis_> try mozilla, or netscape (ick) :P perhaps.
[05:42] <draik> what about /proc   ?
[05:43] <__mikem> oh jeese
[05:43] <Hawkwind> draik: Ignore it
[05:43] <draik> ok
[05:43] <__mikem> /proc just has links to currently running processes
[05:43] <Hawkwind> draik: Things you should worry about backing up are: /etc /home and if you have a /boot partition
[05:43] <draik> got those
[05:43] <Kr4t05> I can't seem to get spca5xx to detect it, nor xawtv, or any other tool I can think of.
[05:43] <Hawkwind> draik: Or if you have other partitions/directories where you keep your own personal important files
[05:43] <draik> that's all
[05:44] <Hawkwind> draik: That's all
[05:44] <draik> then I guess I'm done
[05:44] <Kr4t05> ...
[05:44] <Kr4t05> Oi...
[05:44] <__mikem> I can't take it anymore, that guy was a moron
[05:44] <__mikem> sorry
[05:44] <Kr4t05> Some people are just not supposed to use computers. Ever.
[05:44] <Hawkwind> __mikem: No need to call users names
[05:44] <__mikem> I just couldn't hold it in any longer
[05:44] <Mobadass> lol
[05:45] <Hawkwind> He's trying to make a backup of a drive before he puts a new one in so he really was just trying to be cautious
[05:45] <__mikem> DId he ever whitness any files being saved to /dev, probably not. There for, WHY IN GODS NAME WOULD HE WANT TO BACK IT UP?
[05:46] <Hawkwind> __mikem: He's new, give him a break please
[05:46] <Mobadass> his pron stash?
[05:46] <labkom> sdf
[05:46] <__mikem> lol
[05:46] <labkom> asf
[05:46] <__mikem> oh jeese
[05:46] <Hawkwind> __mikem: Not everyone knows it all, so please relax
[05:46] <__mikem> labkom, please refrain from spamming
[05:46] <Mobadass> lol I'm a linux n00b
[05:46] <Kr4t05> __mikem: Yeah, everyones a newbie once.
[05:46] <Kr4t05> !n00b
[05:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about n00b - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:47] <Mobadass> xD
[05:47] <__mikem> I was to, but when someone said leave somoething alone, I left it alone
[05:47] <Kr4t05> I rephrase...
[05:47] <Kr4t05> !noob
[05:47] <ubotu> Words like noob, jfgi, stfu or rtfm are not welcome in this channel. Period.
[05:47] <Mobadass> what is jfgi or rtfm?
[05:48] <__mikem> RTFM stands for "Read the F***ing Manuel"
[05:48] <Kr4t05> RTFM - Read the Effing Manual.
[05:48] <__mikem> I don't know what jfgi means though
[05:48] <Mobadass> ohh lol
[05:48] <Mobadass> heh i always do that
[05:48] <halfbloodprince> i've downloaded 562MB of the 699MB iso, and bitcomet tells me that i've only completed 56%
[05:48] <halfbloodprince> wtf
[05:48] <enzo_> Just Effing Google It
[05:48] <Mobadass> lol
[05:48] <__mikem> oh
[05:49] <halfbloodprince> is this a bug in bitcomet?
[05:49] <Mobadass> http://justf***inggoogleit.com
[05:49] <enzo_> http://www.justgoogleit.com   works too
[05:49] <Kr4t05> halfbloodprince: some of the peices are re-downloaded due to file corruptions.
[05:49] <Mobadass> yup
[05:50] <amicrawler> where do i get help for wmv9  codecs  to play on my system with out the delay
[05:50] <halfbloodprince> Kr4t05: Ah.. thanks.. so I've actually only completed 56% of my download?
[05:50] <Nickname> hello all
[05:50] <Kr4t05> halfbloodprince: yep.
[05:50] <halfbloodprince> Kr4t05: Oh. Okay.. thanks :)
[05:51] <zeergon> I downloaded and burned the iso but it boots as Caldera DR-DOS....is that normal?!
[05:52] <labkom> we
[05:52] <Hawkwind> zeergon: Huh ?
[05:52] <labkom> #solo
[05:52] <_tmac_> brb gotta pee
[05:52] <Kr4t05> labkom: don't spam.
[05:52] <Hawkwind> _tmac_: We really don't need to know that
[05:52] <zeergon> i dl'ed the kubunto live CD and burned it with nero.....
[05:52] <zeergon> and changed the bios to boot from disc...
[05:53] <zeergon> but it boots as Calder DR-DOS..
[05:53] <dr_willis_> !upgrade
[05:53] <ubotu> Upgrading to Ubuntu 5.10 breezy -> http://help.ubuntu.com/community/BreezyUpgrade  Upgrading to Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper -> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DapperUpgrades  Note: gksudo "update-manager -d" always updates to the latest development version.
[05:53] <Hawkwind> zeergon: Hah, sounds like you downloaded the wrong thing or grabbed the wrong CD
[05:53] <Kr4t05> Ow...
[05:54] <flaccid> are there any icecast server knowledgeable people here atm?
[05:54] <Kr4t05> My knee is going to be stiff in the morning. ><
[05:54] <zeergon> no man...i promise I DLed the right thing...
[05:54] <Kr4t05> flaccid: I have limited experience with *cast servers.
[05:54] <zeergon> but I'll try again...
[05:54] <Hawkwind> zeergon: Maybe you grabbed a CD that already had something on it as Caldera hasn't been around for years
[05:55] <flaccid> Kr4t05: i set up the server, but i get a 404 when going to access it
[05:55] <zeergon> hmm..
[05:55] <zeergon> I'll try again..
[05:55] <zeergon> BRB
[05:55] <dr_willis_> Caldera had the installer with Tetris while you waited! :)
[05:55] <Kr4t05> flaccid: behind a firewall/router?
[05:55] <dr_willis_> or wasit solitare
[05:55] <Hawkwind> Solitaire
[05:55] <flaccid> Kr4t05: i doubt i'd get a 404 if it was blocked
[05:56] <Kr4t05> flaccid: Are you using the right port?
[05:56] <Hawkwind> flaccid: How are you trying to access it ?
[05:56] <Hawkwind> flaccid: If you're trying to access through an audio player then yes you will get a 404 if it's blocked
[05:56] <Kr4t05> domainname.net:8000/listen.pls
[05:56] <flaccid> hmm
[05:56] <Kr4t05> (Shoutcast format) :)
[05:56] <flaccid> ok guys thanks i check a few things
[05:57] <Kr4t05> Bah
[05:57] <Kr4t05> 6 minutes...
[05:57] <amicrawler> where do i get help for wmv9  codecs  to play on my system with out the delay
[05:57] <Kr4t05> Why do I have to wait for stupid Window?
[05:57] <flaccid> Hawkwind: are you saying that if a source client is not connected it returns 404 ?
[05:58] <dr_willis_> amicrawler,  dare we ask 'what delay' ?
[05:59] <Mobadass> whats a remote administration program for linux that you can control your normal xserver
[06:00] <satafterh> anyone installed XGl and if you have what do you think of it
[06:00] <amicrawler> well i play wmv9 files  and i get very chopy video feed
[06:01] <amicrawler> but reg 1080p  avi it is very nice
[06:01] <Kr4t05> Mobadass: It's on the tip of my tongue. ><
[06:01] <Mobadass> i know there is VNC and NX and RDP
[06:01] <amicrawler> dr-wills any clue
[06:01] <Kr4t05> Mobadass: VNC was where I was heading. :)
[06:02] <Mobadass> k
[06:02] <Kr4t05> Sorry, mate. Otherwise, I'm fresh out.
[06:02] <dr_willis_> amicrawler,  whenever i get a .wmv - i normally delete it. :)
[06:02] <amicrawler> ok very funny
[06:02] <Mobadass> but all the ones ive tried cant use your normal xserver they have to make a new one
[06:02] <dr_willis_> amicrawler,  sounds like some  screwy codec issue. since other vidoes work fine
[06:02] <dr_willis_> amicrawler,  try them in other players - i perfer vlc
[06:03] <amicrawler> i don't know were to get ligal hd files
[06:03] <amicrawler> there all mv4 or mov files not mp4 or avi dvix
[06:04] <amicrawler> humm hd for tv is only 1mb
[06:05] <amicrawler> 1080p is 2mb
[06:05] <dr_willis_> i get video and convert it to watch on my PSP. :P so i dont worry about it too much
[06:06] <amicrawler> i install  satllites  frakly it sucks
[06:06] <amicrawler> they claim 1080i
[06:06] <amicrawler> but it is not
[06:06] <amicrawler> more like 1080  1/2
[06:06] <dr_willis_> means very little to me.. I cant evne rember the last time i watched a real tv. :P
[06:07] <Kr4t05> Woah...
[06:07] <Kr4t05> VMWare is pretty neat.
[06:07] <josef> hai everybody
[06:08] <josef> do somebody know a website about gambas
[06:08] <amicrawler> dishnetwork sucks and  directv sucks
[06:09] <nnn0> google :)
[06:09] <amicrawler> there 1080i res  is not relly 1080i
[06:09] <fdoving> josef: http://gambas.sourceforge.net/
[06:11] <josef> fdoving thanks for the link
[06:12] <fdoving> you're welcome.
[06:12] <fdoving> have to go to work. bye.
[06:21] <m5m> hey all, anyone installed kubuntu via bootcamp on a macbook?
[06:21] <Kyral> ..you don't need Bootcamp
[06:22] <Kyral> Macbook == x86 == normal PC
[06:23] <m5m> Kyral: so just use gparted or whatever to resize the osX if you don't want to wipe it ?
[06:23] <helter> hey does anybody know how to disable cursor blinking in eclipse IDE?
[06:23] <Kyral> prolly but resizing is sketchy regardless
[06:23] <m5m> sketchy as you're doing it or sketchy in the long run?
[06:24] <Kyral> as in you will prolly destroy the data
[06:25] <m5m> people partition HDs all the time without losing data, unless you make a mistake there shouldn't be any significant risk
[06:25] <Kyral> yah well I consider ANY repartitioning job to have a significant risk
[06:25] <Kyral> (Better safe than wiped)
[06:25] <m5m> safe == backed up
[06:26] <Kyral> bingo
[06:26] <Kr4t05> Kyral: I've resized my ext3 partition several times. :)
[06:26] <Kr4t05> I remove the journal, resize and ext2, then restore it. :)
[06:26] <Kyral> ext3 is happy as long as you don't change its START position
[06:26] <red> i have this theme that is supposed to show stats and system performance but when applied it doesnt work
[06:26] <red> i got the theme from
[06:26] <dr_willis_> a 'theme' ? tht does that?
[06:27] <red> i dunno if it does or not
[06:27] <red> the preview showed it did
[06:27] <dr_willis_> or the guys screen shot showed his desktop. and also someed some extra tools  he had. running.
[06:28] <dr_willis_> I dont see how any theme would be doing that..
[06:28] <dr_willis_> unless he made some Karamba applets to go with it.
[06:28] <Mobadass> O M G automatix takes a LONG time
[06:28] <red> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=40695
[06:28] <red> i want it too look similar to that
[06:28] <red> so i guess i have to find the progs that are runnin with it
[06:29] <Kyral> Oyah thats SuperKaramba
[06:29] <red> how do i get that
[06:29] <dr_willis_> with the package manager tool :P
[06:29] <red> adept manager
[06:29] <red> kewl
[06:29] <dr_willis_> like everything else.
[06:29] <red> works for me
[06:29] <red> thanks
[06:30] <red> is that similiar to nhc (notebook hardware controller) for windows
[06:30] <red> seems like it would be
[06:32] <ubuntu> Hello
[06:32] <ubuntu> Can qtparted merge partitions?
[06:32] <dr_willis_> hmm.. ya mean take 2 partitions with data on them and combine them?
[06:33] <ubuntu> no data on them, but yes
[06:33] <ubuntu> I have 2 partitions that I want to merge
[06:33] <dr_willis_> If theres NO data on them... then.. why dont ya just delete them and remake a big partition. :
[06:33] <dr_willis_> :)
[06:33] <dr_willis_> or delete 1 , and resize the other..
[06:33] <dr_willis_> same effect.
[06:34] <ubuntu> resize them how?
[06:34] <dr_willis_> delete one, then slide the size slider on the remaining. I think is how the gui works..
[06:34] <ubuntu> kew
[06:34] <ubuntu> I will try that now
[06:34] <dr_willis_> or delte them both.. and make a new partition in the bigger scombined pace.
[06:34] <dr_willis_> which makes MUCH more sence
[06:35] <dr_willis_> 0_o
[06:35] <dr_willis_> the impornt part of your statement is they are both 'no data on them' :)
[06:35] <nnn0> :)
[06:35] <dr_willis_> nnn0,  or am i confused here.. Heh heh.
[06:36] <nnn0> yeah with data on them it's kind of a pain
[06:36] <dr_willis_> ya know - the more i use gnome... the more i realize how badly it sucks
[06:36] <dr_willis_> :)
[06:36] <nnn0> eheheh
[06:36] <dr_willis_> I figured id  give it a good TRY.. and egads.. its missing basic things..
[06:37] <dr_willis_> like how the *#&@&@ do you MOVE files -
[06:37] <dr_willis_> i can copy them.. but dont see no way to tell it to move. other then that lame cut/paste method
[06:37] <Mobadass> mv
[06:37] <dr_willis_> same with making a link to a diretory. :P
[06:37] <nnn0> use the cli :)
[06:37] <dr_willis_> :P
[06:37] <Mobadass> :P
[06:38] <dr_willis_> both gnome and kde need to work on their naming-scheme for things.. :P
[06:38] <dr_willis_> its ksudo, but its gksu (or is it backwards)
[06:38] <dr_willis_> and network-manager is.. somthing k* under kde,, and nm-applet under gnome.. :)
[06:39] <nnn0> there alot of better wm's out there, maybe not with all the bells and whistles of kde and gnome, but more efficient in every aspect
[06:40] <dr_willis_> Ive used most all of them. :P
[06:40] <nnn0> you tried wmii ? :)
[06:40] <dr_willis_> its not so much the window manager.. its the File managers that are lame
[06:40] <nnn0> use mc then :)
[06:40] <dr_willis_> wmii was annoying in how it decided to use some sort of meta-filesystem for its settings... I dident see he point of that.
[06:41] <dr_willis_> I do tend to use mc..
[06:41] <dr_willis_> silly gnometerminal  likes to take F10 away from me! :P the bums!
[06:41] <nnn0> that's not a buf, it's a feature :)
[06:41] <nnn0> bug even
[06:41] <dr_willis_> I consider it a Brain-fart
[06:41] <nnn0> :)
[06:41] <dr_willis_> gotta love  'its differetn just to be different!'
[06:42] <nnn0> i love wmii
[06:42] <dr_willis_> Been using Matchbox lately :)
[06:42] <dr_willis_>  KDE_3.5.4_on_SUSE_Linux_10.1.tar.bz2   - got somthign to play with on vmware for the next day or so. :P
[06:42] <dr_willis_> vmware is so handy.
[06:43] <dr_willis_> I need to track down  the 'wmx' and 'wmx2' window manager..  they aint been updated in years
[06:43] <nnn0> vmware is cool
[06:43] <nnn0> :)
[06:44] <dr_willis_> off to  http://www.plig.net/xwinman/   to see what else is new
[06:44] <dr_willis_> Karmen: A simple window manager with a clean look. It doesn't need a config file and has no library dependencies other than Xlib.
[06:45] <dr_willis_> WWM: The Weird Window Manager is rather basic and hasn't been updated for a long time.
[06:46] <nnn0> :)
[06:46] <nnn0> nothing beats the cli though
[06:47] <dr_willis_> use 'twin' on the console for a Text based window manager
[06:47] <dr_willis_> :P
[06:47] <Mobadass> :/ how can u make the krfb invitations last for longer than an hour?
[06:50] <nnn0> :)
[06:51] <nnn0> cool
[06:52] <nnn0> :)
[07:00] <halfbloodprince> does anyone here have libfreetype6 installed?
[07:01] <crimsun> most everyone should.
[07:01] <halfbloodprince> crimsun: do you have it installed?
[07:01] <newcomer> en todo caso...donde pongo la resolucion al kdm?
[07:02] <newcomer> Hello !
[07:02] <crimsun> halfbloodprince: yes, why?
[07:02] <mobad_> o.O
[07:02] <newcomer> i got a trouble with kdm..
[07:02] <halfbloodprince> crimsun: does it make a significant difference to the rendering of fonts
[07:02] <InteliWasp> what is the lateist kernel for dapper?
[07:02] <newcomer> and i wish know .. where i put the resolution to kdm?
[07:02] <crimsun> InteliWasp: 2.6.15-26.47
[07:03] <crimsun> halfbloodprince: different to what?
[07:04] <halfbloodprince> crimsun: different to the rendering of fonts if libfreetype6 is not installed
[07:04] <halfbloodprince> is rendering of fonts significantly better with libfreetype6 installed?
[07:05] <crimsun> halfbloodprince: removing libfreetype6 removes just about every gui app I have installed
[07:05] <crimsun> so yes, it makes significant difference here
[07:05] <halfbloodprince> crimsun: i thought libfreetype6 was optional :\
[07:06] <InteliWasp> thanks crimsun
[07:07] <halfbloodprince> ?
[07:09] <halfbloodprince> isn't it optional?
[07:09] <crimsun> no.
[07:10] <halfbloodprince> okay..
[07:10] <crimsun> just above everything needs it nowadays.
[07:11] <Sa_aD> Hi All
[07:12] <Sa_aD> please i want to know hot to install KMESS ?
[07:12] <crimsun> libfreetype6-dev -> libfontconfig1-dev -> Qt3/GTK+/etc. -> etc.
[07:12] <halfbloodprince> okay..
[07:13] <crimsun> IOW, those packages won't compile without libfreetype6 being present, which means with it Qt[34] /GTK+ 2.0 are uninstallable
[07:13] <crimsun> s/with it/without it/
[07:14] <Sa_aD> any answer ?
[07:15] <crimsun> Sa_aD: use Adept/apt-get/aptitude/dselect
 Sorry ?
[07:16] <crimsun> Sa_aD: use Adept to install 'kmess'
 what do u mean by Adept ?
[07:19] <Sa_aD> 
[07:19] <crimsun> http://www.kubuntu.org/images/adept-screenshot.png
[07:19] <Royal> hi all... this is the first time I've installed kubuntu
 thanks a lot i`ll check it :)
 i can not see KMESS on the list i try this befor
[07:22] <halfbloodprince> anyone tried yahoo messenger for linux ?
 i found it thanks :)
[07:27] <josef> hai does everybody know to install java in adept
[07:28] <firephoto> josef: you need to install j2re1.4   it's in the multiverse repo so you'll need to uncomment that if you haven't already.
[07:29] <josef> I changed already in the repo
[07:30] <firephoto> you need to 'fetch updates' then and it should show up
[07:30] <josef> ok thanks firephoto
[07:32] <halfbloodprince> has anyone used yahoo messenger for linux? http://messenger.yahoo.com/messenger/download/unix.html#debian
[07:33] <nnn0> why would they
[07:33] <nnn0> :)
[07:33] <mythril> is there a way to disable networking setup during boot?
[07:35] <mobad_> oh...i love masturbating
[07:35] <nnn0> :)
[07:35] <mobad_> fuck me for blow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[07:35] <nnn0> hm
[07:35] <halfbloodprince> nnn0: what do you mean?
[07:35] <nnn0> i use linux, but i wouldn't dream of using yahoo :)
[07:36] <halfbloodprince> why's that
[07:36] <firephoto> halfbloodprince: it's just as feature lacking as the 3rd party linux clients. i'd just use kopete (or gaim i suppose)
[07:36] <halfbloodprince> ah..
[07:36] <mobad_> fuck me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
[07:36] <halfbloodprince> someone block this guy
[07:36] <link_36p> Anyone know how to fix the package system when it wont let you remove something that ont let apt-get work?
[07:37] <mobad_> i'm jerking off now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[07:37] <DBO> !ops
[07:37] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatric, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, or gnomefreak
[07:37] <mobad_> oh..there my cum is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[07:37] <nnn0> :)
[07:37] <mobad_> touch me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[07:37] <nnn0> lovely
[07:37] <mobad_> lick it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
[07:37] <mobad_> i'm drinking mz
[07:37] <mythril> is there a way to disable networking setup during boot?
[07:37] <link_36p> anyways
[07:37] <link_36p> anyways
[07:37] <link_36p> Anyone know how to fix the package system when it wont let you remove something that ont let apt-get work?
[07:39] <flaccid> !libshout
[07:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libshout - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:40] <flaccid> !libshout2
[07:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libshout2 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:41] <halfbloodprince> !freetype
[07:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about freetype - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:42] <imbrandon> !fonts
[07:42] <ubotu> Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto
[07:42] <ubotu> No fonts in flash? Install msttcorefonts, gsfonts, and gsfonts-x11 , No fonts in mplayer? see !mplayer
[07:44] <halfbloodprince> or, if you can get windows fonts on a cd, just copy them to the kubuntu fonts folder
[07:46] <empcrono> say does any one know how to congure a cable modem
[07:46] <empcrono> configure
[07:47] <nnn0> no idea
[07:47] <nnn0> everything is just ethernet on my side
[07:47] <InteliWasp> how do i recreate the xorg.conf file?
[07:47] <empcrono> im trying to change ports and stuff
[07:48] <LeeJunFan> InteliWasp: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:48] <LeeJunFan> InteliWasp: if you want it to be easy dpkg-reconfigure -p critical xserver-xorg
[07:48] <_rince_> mrgn
[07:48] <Nickname> hello all...
[07:49] <empcrono> hello
[07:49] <Nickname> got the lve cd workin but Kubuntu wont recognize my wireless adapter...
[07:49] <Nickname> any ideas
[07:49] <empcrono> dang it all everytime i put the ip in for the router it doesnt work
[07:50] <empcrono> you know in the browser it times out
[07:51] <zeergon> ping
[07:52] <empcrono> my ping is low
[07:52] <empcrono> im just trying to change ports
[07:53] <empcrono> so that torrents will download and decient speeds
[07:54] <empcrono> how do you tell whats on what port?
[07:58] <empcrono> you know when you put in the ip to the router your uising and it lets you config stuff?
[07:58] <empcrono> in the browser
[07:59] <iTek> hey guys.
[07:59] <iTek> i have a question.
[07:59] <empcrono> kk?
[07:59] <iTek> has anyone in here been able to get Dual Monitors working with Kubuntu?
[07:59] <iTek> with NVIDIA
[07:59] <empcrono> wow wasnt expecting that hold on one sec
[07:59] <iTek> k
[08:01] <empcrono> how do you have it set up?
[08:02] <empcrono> are you trying to have two separate monitors or like one desktop spanning two
[08:03] <iTek> yes.  Dual View.
[08:03] <iTek> see, i can't get my drivers installed to work with Kubuntu.
[08:03] <iTek> i downloaded them frmo nVidia.
[08:03] <iTek> and once they are installed, it freezes at login screen and X doesn't work anymore.
[08:04] <iTek> have to re-install distro.
[08:04] <empcrono> ouch
[08:04] <empcrono> what model
[08:06] <iTek> erm.  GeForce 6200
[08:06] <iTek> 256mb
[08:06] <empcrono> try this
[08:06] <empcrono> http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Latest_Nvidia_Breezy
[08:06] <empcrono> if you need help with it ask
[08:07] <gogeta> hi
[08:08] <gogeta> kde seems very unstable on my frends pc
[08:08] <gogeta> kwin single 11
[08:10] <ace_> what ways can a person not be able to veiw a windows network even if they have samba
[08:16] <ace_> what ways can a person not be able to veiw a windows network even if they have samba
[08:18] <royal> hi all
[08:19] <royal> um hey I was just running kubuntu for the first time a few minutes ago and I was wondering, what is the program that is the equivilant to windows explorer?
[08:19] <Jucato> Konqueror
[08:19] <royal> I thought that was the IE/Firefox equivient... or is it both?
[08:19] <Jucato> It's KDE's web browser, file manager, file viewer/previewer, etc.
[08:19] <Jucato> it's that, and more
[08:19] <royal> ah I see
[08:20] <ace_> what ways can a person not be able to veiw a windows network even if they have samba
[08:20] <royal> I didn't attempt anything like this but a quick question. is there a way I can acess my windows files from kubuntu? (running livecd)
[08:21] <gyaresu> royal: just read or write as well?
[08:21] <royal> write as well
[08:21] <Jucato> (read only, not recommended to write)
[08:21] <royal> (probably just read but write woudl be nice to know too)
[08:22] <helter>  can somebody help me? I'm trying to work out how to turn off cursor blinking in the eclipse IDE editor. I really like eclipse, but I cant stand blinking cursors.
[08:22] <gyaresu> royal: there should be an entry in /etc/fstab already...
[08:22] <royal> oh.
[08:22] <gyaresu> royal: if so then just "sudo mount /dev/hda1" or whatever it is"
[08:23] <gyaresu> from a terminal >> cat /etc/fstab
[08:23] <royal> ok.
[08:23] <gyaresu> royal: look for something like: /dev/hda1 /media/xp rw,ntfs,blah
[08:24] <ace_> im a noob :P so i kinda need help with geting samba to work and how to run it
[08:24] <royal> ok
[08:24] <gyaresu> ace: try smb4k it's a great UI for samba under KDE...
[08:25] <ace_> ui?
[08:25] <royal> also, how do I enable Ident on the IRC client? (tried to get into #YTMND on efnet, but they +B people with no ident)
[08:25] <gyaresu> ace_: user interface
[08:25] <ace_> ah
[08:25] <gyaresu> royal: sorry. don't know. i imagine there is something under the prefs...
[08:26] <royal> heh not only am I noob at linux, but I also have to be the pathfinder. see I'm doing this for the class (computer repair and maintanance class), and I suggested we also do a linux install somewhere along the line to suppliment a windows install howto.
[08:27] <gyaresu> royal: well it sure has gotten a lot easier than the even 12 months ago...
[08:27] <royal> thats good :)
[08:27] <gyaresu> royal: ubuntu with automatix is every n00bs dream.
[08:28] <royal> uh huh
[08:31] <alexicon> anyone know of any good tools for xkb?
[08:31] <alexicon> got some funny laptop keys i want to map..
[08:32] <royal> its somthing I'll look further into when I finish the other computer I'm working on. I have an "old" 9310S  gateway that i'll permantently install Kubuntu on for school
[08:37] <royal> like I said earlier, I'm the pathfinder for this operation. heh most of the people in the class couldn't even get thier computers to turn on without my help
[08:48] <royal> btw another question: if you install a new type of motherboard (like say you have an intel 945 board, and you want to get a conroe, so you upgrade to a 975 board), would you have to reinstall or run a repair install or somthing like that of kubuntu?
[08:49] <ubuntu-user1336> exit
[08:50] <royal> I know you have to repair install or if you have a recovery partition you have to use that when you swap out motherboards with windows (its a pain in the ass)
[08:52] <feet> hello. trying to watch flash videos. have it all set up, with sound going thru aoss. but i notice the sound starts lagging after a while. is there a way to work around this? thanks
[08:52] <cima> how to install gcc in kubuntu?
[08:52] <cima> or c compiler in kubuntu?
[08:52] <Jucato> cima: install the package "build-essential" and it will install gcc along with other stuff that you would need to compile
[08:54] <royal> if you install a new type of motherboard (like say you have an intel 945 board, and you want to get a conroe, so you upgrade to a 975 board), would you have to reinstall or run a repair install or somthing like that of kubuntu? I know you have to repair install or if you have a recovery partition you have to use that when you swap out motherboards with windows (its a pain in the ass)
[08:55] <flaccid> is there a switch to update a package with dpkg or do i just use dpkg -i ?
[08:56] <feet> you could do that, or sudo apt-get install <nameofpackage> and it will get the latest from the repos, even if it is already installed..
[08:58] <flaccid> feet: does it have access to the weekly opera builds now
[08:58] <flaccid> ?
[08:58] <feet> dont know
[08:58] <flaccid> no it doesnt
[08:58] <flaccid> so this has to be installed by dpkg
[08:59] <feet> if you constantly like updating using the weekly builds, why not make a mini repository in your local hard disk
[08:59] <feet> and download the debs in there
[09:00] <feet> save em there, rather
[09:00] <flaccid> true
[09:00] <flaccid> however i believe the url is dynamic ie. http://snapshot.opera.com/unix/Weekly-419/intel-linux/
[09:01] <feet> well i think dpkg -i works, over writes whatever is already there
[09:02] <feet> does get to be a pain when youre updating the package as regularly as you seem to want
[09:04] <cima> jucato : thank you
[09:04] <cima> jucato : i'm forget
[09:04] <Jucato> cima: no problem :)
[09:06] <cima> am i need to install driver for my laptop in kubuntu?
[09:06] <NeoSaki> Hey Jucato, whats the command for copying/moving directories from term, I seem to have forgotten >_>
[09:07] <Jucato> NeoSaki: copy is cp, move is mv
[09:07] <NeoSaki> for a full directory?
[09:07] <royal> if you install a new type of motherboard (like say you have an intel 945 board, and you want to get a conroe, so you upgrade to a 975 board), would you have to reinstall or run a repair install or somthing like that of kubuntu? I know you have to repair install or if you have a recovery partition you have to use that when you swap out motherboards with windows (its a pain in the ass)
[09:07] <royal> does anyone know at all?
[09:07] <Jucato> probably no one who's online right now?
[09:08] <NeoSaki> I would say that you need to recompile your kernel
[09:08] <NeoSaki> with the new processor drivers(if you can find it for the conroe)
[09:08] <NeoSaki> and look at the mobo site as they will normally have the drivers for the mobo
[09:09] <Jucato> er.... no need to recompile the kernel...
[09:09] <NeoSaki> Its a suggestion
[09:09] <Jucato> :)
[09:09] <NeoSaki> <--recompiles with major hardware updates
[09:09] <NeoSaki> Makes it smooth, like peanut butter
[09:09] <Jucato> ouch...
[09:10] <royal> so whats the steps to do that?
[09:11] <Jucato> royal: not necessary to compile kernels.. only if you want/need to and if you know how to
[09:11] <NeoSaki> >_> Erm...yeah don't need to
[09:11] <royal> oh ok
[09:11] <royal> so in other words you dont really need to do anything?
[09:11] <NeoSaki> You can seriously mess up your comp if you don't know how
[09:12] <royal> ok I won't try that then. so if you don't have to do that, you don't need to do anything else then?
[09:13] <royal> (it sounds great... now if only creative had linux drivers for xfi
[09:15] <NeoSaki> royal: have you looked for possible 3rd party drivers for it?
[09:16] <royal> nope
[09:16] <royal> hmmm
[09:17] <royal> this is really a learning experience for me I think :)
[09:17] <NeoSaki> its all good
[09:17] <NeoSaki> Kubuntu gives you a learning curve
[09:18] <NeoSaki> I learned on Mandrake and Slackware >_>
[09:18] <royal> which is good, cause sometimes when you go to class you feel like your just going there to get a grade on waht you already know as opposed to actually learning somthing
[09:21] <royal> know what I mean?
[09:22] <royal> btw one last final question... am I right to assume that the procedure to install is first boot into kubuntu off the cd, then install it from there? (as opposed to window's system of install THEN boot)
[09:22] <saki> yeah
[09:22] <royal> wow thats neat!
[09:23] <saki> Hey Jucato, you know anything about ATI All-in-Wonder cards and tv-tuner programs for linux?
[09:23] <Jucato> er... sorry, nope...
[09:23] <saki> oh well
[09:23] <royal> ok I got to go. cya, you been a great help
[09:23] <saki> later man
[09:24] <NeoSaki> How about just TV-Tuner apps in gen?
[09:25] <NeoSaki> :( Oh well, I'll go find a wiki
[09:25] <NeoSaki> ^^
[09:30] <k31th> Guys, I have postfix setup with amavis & spamassasin... however my spam gets sent to the user as wel as my spam mailbox ! how can i stop this
[09:32] <ace_> so how do i get smb4k to see a windows server
[09:46] <saki> hrm
[09:47] <saki> konverse seems to not be liking something >_>
[09:47] <Jucato> ??
[09:48] <NeoSaki> it keeps crashing, konverse, which seems to be bringing down xorg too
[09:48] <jfdbmi> How do I install firefox browser, I am new user
[09:48] <Jucato> jfdbmi: new installation?
[09:49] <NeoSaki> kicker ->system -> adept
[09:49] <NeoSaki> type your pass
[09:49] <NeoSaki> then search for firefox
[09:49] <grothesk> jfdbmi: 'sudo apt-get install firefox
[09:49] <jfdbmi> I tried opening adept but it is not opening
[09:49] <[niceday] > sudo apt-get install firefox
[09:50] <NeoSaki> adept isn't opening?
[09:50] <NeoSaki> :O
[09:51] <jfdbmi> why is that adept is not opening?
[09:51] <riri> hi imbrandon
[09:51] <NeoSaki> what system are you running?
[09:52] <riri> i compiled kde4 on dapper
[09:52] <intelikey> jfdbmi sudo hosed or another package manager front end is open ?
[09:52] <Jucato> (or the dialog box asking for the password is hidden...)
[09:52] <riri> i tried to do it on edgy but kdebase didn't passed : joystick.h problem
[09:52] <jfdbmi> so what do I do
[09:53] <intelikey> start testing things to see which it is
[09:53] <Jucato> jfdbmi: also check if there's an open dialog box that is asking for your password
[09:53] <jfdbmi> I have not installed another pkg mngr
[09:53] <NeoSaki> i didn't realize KDE4 was out?
[09:53] <NeoSaki> I thought only KDE 3.5.4 was
[09:53] <Jucato> NeoSaki: it isn't
[09:53] <jfdbmi> If I do alt+tab I should know if another dialog box is open right?
[09:54] <Jucato> jfdbmi: yes, or just look at your taskbar
[09:54] <jfdbmi> I checked no other dialog box is open askin for pwd
[09:54] <Jucato> NeoSaki: they're actually talking about the first development snapshot of KDE 4, called Krash, which is actually KDE 3.80.1 (iirc...)
[09:55] <Jucato> jfdbmi: press Alt+F2 and type in "kdesu adept" (without the quotes)
[09:55] <riri> better compiled kde4 on dapper
[09:55] <riri> but kde4 is only squeleton
[09:56] <riri> i do compiled since 15 days
[09:59] <intelikey> i absolutely can not tolerate trying to install from the liveCD !
[09:59] <Jucato> ...
[09:59] <jfdbmi> adept opened and I clicked on fetch updates. Headers are downloading
[10:00] <Jucato> jfdbmi: you can then look for "firefox", right-click on it, select "Requrest Install", click Preview Changes to double-check, then click on Apply Changes
[10:01] <intelikey> requrest install ???
[10:01] <Jucato> intelikey: or install package...
[10:01] <Jucato> intelikey: last I remember, the option is "Request Install"
[10:01] <intelikey> what language was that ?
[10:02] <intelikey> oh typo... nm
[10:02] <Jucato> just checked, it's Request Install...
[10:02] <Jucato> err.. sorry about that.. didn't realize my typo :)
[10:02] <Jucato> ugh! ubuntuforums is down again?!
[10:02] <intelikey> sorry i wasn't trying to be a wise guy, just didn't notice that all it was was an extra key
[10:05] (jfdbmi/#kubuntu) yes in the search box
[10:05] (Jucato/#kubuntu) jfdbmi: and?
[10:06] (jfdbmi/#kubuntu) there is no firefox for install
[10:06] (Jucato/#kubuntu) ah
[10:06] <Jucato> jfdbmi: ok, go to the Adept menu and click on Manage Repositories
[10:06] <jfdbmi> can I just download the .deb file from somewhere?
[10:06] <intelikey> !repos
[10:06] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[10:06] <NeoSaki> did you have him updat?
[10:06] <NeoSaki> update*
[10:07] <Jucato> intelikey: unfortunately, those pages only describe how to enable the universe and multiverse repos... it all works on the presumption that the main and restricted repos are enabled by default...
[10:07] <jfdbmi> I did that and I have to wait for headers I just want the firefox browser
[10:08] <intelikey> Jucato even !easysource  ?
[10:08] <Jucato> jfdbmi: in order for you to be able to "see" and install Firefox, you need to have the proper repository enabled and then Fetch Updates to update it
[10:08] <Jucato> intelikey: there's no "easysource" in the !repos response
[10:09] <Jucato> intelikey: and I think there's a problem with source-o-matic when it comes to getting the latest KDE and Amarok repos
[10:09] <NeoSaki> so you need him to enable the normal repositories?
[10:09] <Jucato> NeoSaki: yes
[10:09] <intelikey> the link ^ mentions  !easysource
[10:09] <NeoSaki> easy
[10:09] <Jucato> intelikey: ah. ok my bad. but to someone who doesn't know how to use the bot... !easysource is pretty cryptic don't you think?
[10:10] <NeoSaki> he's in adept, correct?
[10:10] <intelikey> can be,   yeppers
[10:10] <Jucato> NeoSaki: afaik, yes. (why don't you talk to him directly :D )
[10:10] <Jucato> oooh.. the great jono :)
[10:11] <jono> hey :)
[10:11] <Jucato> all hail jono!!
[10:11] <Jucato> :D
[10:11] <NeoSaki> jfdbmi check your pms
[10:11] <jono> Jucato, :P
[10:12] <Jucato> NeoSaki: better give the instructions in the main channel. for everyone to see and learn from
[10:12] <Jucato> :)
[10:12] <NeoSaki> oh
[10:12] <NeoSaki> ight
[10:12] <Jucato> :P
[10:13] <NeoSaki> click Adept -> Manage Repositories
[10:14] <NeoSaki> in the add bar I'm gonna need you to type the following
[10:14] <NeoSaki> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper main
[10:14] <NeoSaki> I hope he is
[10:14] <NeoSaki> >_>
[10:14] <Jucato> NeoSaki: that line is already in the sources.list
[10:15] <Jucato> it just needs to be enabled. not added...
[10:15] <NeoSaki> ight
[10:15] <NeoSaki> right click on it enable
[10:15] <NeoSaki> do the same for the rest of them that are not enabled
[10:16] <NeoSaki> i  thought you guys had said that he didn't have them
[10:16] <Jucato> I said not enabled.
[10:16] <jfdbmi> yes the deb http://archive.ubuntu,com/ubuntu is already in the list and it is enabled
[10:16] <NeoSaki> I miss read, I'm sorry, I'm sorry
[10:16] <intelikey> i think you are talking to a spook
[10:16] <Jucato> NeoSaki: lol no need to be sorry
[10:17] <Jucato> we all make mistakes. :)
[10:17] <Jucato> heck I didn't even see my typo until intelikey so kindly pointed it out :D
[10:17] <NeoSaki> jfdbmi, are all of them enabled?
[10:17] <jfdbmi> the main and restricted is enabled
[10:18] <intelikey> i only point out the ones that make me chuckel and the ones i can't figure out....
[10:18] <Jucato> intelikey: heh :)
[10:18] <NeoSaki> hrm
[10:18] <NeoSaki> when you find firefox
[10:18] <NeoSaki> which version are you installing
[10:19] <NeoSaki> mozilla-firefox or just firefox?
[10:19] <jfdbmi> I have http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu is the URL correct?
[10:19] <Jucato> mozilla-firefox does not exist anymore in Dapper. it's just a dummy package (AFAIK)
[10:19] <Jucato> jfdbmi: yes
[10:19] <Jucato> for Indonesia (or is it India?)
[10:19] <intelikey> if the "in" server responds
[10:20] <jfdbmi> doesn't anyone know If I can just download a deb file instead of struggling with the adept
[10:20] <Jucato> jfdbmi: no. because if you do that, you'll be struggling with your whole computer instead of just Adept
[10:20] <jfdbmi> How am I to know whether it is India or Indonesia?
[10:20] <jfdbmi> I see
[10:20] <jfdbmi> that
[10:21] <Jucato> jfdbmi: err... nvm that (whether it's India or Indonesia)
[10:21] <chx> is it possible to define smaller desktops than the resolution of the screen ? I am eyeing the 30" Dell
[10:21] <jfdbmi> is a good advice then
[10:21] <intelikey> jfdbmi yes you can just dl the .deb  and then dl the next .deb that that one depended on.  and the next and the next and the next....   if you want to go that route.   but fixing your /etc/apt/souces.list  by hand would be easier.
[10:21] <Jucato> jfdbmi: anyway, all you need to do is to enable the proper repositories (actually, the ones that have "main restricted" would be enough), then click on Apply (at the bottom) then Fetch Updates
[10:22] <[niceday] > jfdbmi > i didn't get it. Did you make an apt-get install firefox ? and what did that return ?
[10:22] <jfdbmi> the headers are not downloading from the URL I have which is http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper main restricted
[10:22] <Jucato> jfdbmi: ok, then remove the "in."
[10:22] <NeoSaki> ^^
[10:22] <Jucato> NeoSaki: what happened, you went silent for a moment :)
[10:22] <intelikey> venella
[10:23] <NeoSaki> i'm compiling a few items to get my AiW working
[10:24] <Jucato> ah
[10:24] <NeoSaki> its being a real fun project >_>
[10:24] <Netcad> is there anything wrong with grub and reiserfs?
[10:24] <jfdbmi> I can't be here and there at the same time pl give me time to try out the instructions
[10:25] <intelikey> echo "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper main restricted universe multiverse" | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update
[10:25] <Jucato> jfdbmi: you can just scroll up for the instructions you missed
[10:25] <NeoSaki> ? So lost
[10:25] <intelikey> there's a one liner that will fix it....
[10:25] <jfdbmi> I removed the 'in' now I have http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[10:25] <Jucato> jfdbmi: try to Fetch Updates again
[10:26] <jfdbmi> and I clicked apply and then I clicked FU
[10:26] <Jucato> intelikey: I presume you are going to explain each of those commands, which would only add another level of complexity and confusion to an already confused jfdbmi...
[10:26] <jfdbmi> It was fetching headers
[10:27] <jfdbmi> should I do a search firefox
[10:27] <Jucato> jfdbmi: yes
[10:27] <jfdbmi> what there still isn't any firefox for me to install :(
[10:28] <jfdbmi> the headers are not downloading for some reason
[10:28] <Netcad> VFS: Cannot open root device "hda1" or unknown-block(0,0) <--- what could cause this?
[10:28] <Jucato> probably a proxy problem (more than I could handle, I'm afraid...)
[10:28] <intelikey> Jucato no i wasn't going to explain anything.   that was a one line shell command string.   if copied and pasted into a terminal  it should fix apt (repos)   but it would make a one line sources.list   rather than appending.      a guy that wants an 'easy way out'  gets an easy way out...
[10:29] <jfdbmi> thanks for all the effort
[10:29] <jfdbmi> I am leaving now, see ya later
[10:29] <Jucato> intelikey: I guess that depends on what an "easy way out" is for the one asking
[10:30] <intelikey> Jucato also notice i wasn't prepending his nick,  didn't want him be confused...
[10:30] <Jucato> intelikey: yep :)
[10:32] <NeoSaki> well avview works
[10:32] <NeoSaki> now if I could figure out why my AiW won't install properly >_>
[10:32] <intelikey> but honestly,  i'm not sure it's not his network.   i couldn't ping him while he was here.  generally a network that tight can interfear with things.  possably upstreem firewalled
[10:33] <NeoSaki> true, probably had an off the shelf router without setting it up
[10:33] <NeoSaki> or was on a shared connection with a paranoid freak of nature
[10:33] <NeoSaki> >_>
[10:33] <intelikey> or iron curton net
[10:34] <NeoSaki> how hard is it to update x.org?
[10:35] <intelikey> apt-get update
[10:35] <intelikey> apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:35] <intelikey> that hard ^
[10:35] <NeoSaki> ooo
[10:35] <NeoSaki> ight
[10:36] <NeoSaki> think they have xorg7.1?
[10:36] <intelikey> not in the repos
[10:36] <intelikey> you'd have to roll your own
[10:36] <NeoSaki> meh
[10:36] <Jucato> NeoSaki: Dapper uses only 7.0
[10:36] <Jucato> Edgy has 7.1
[10:37] <NeoSaki> >_>
[10:37] <NeoSaki> mine says it has 6.8?
[10:37] <Jucato> er?
[10:37] <NeoSaki> i dunno
[10:37] <intelikey> X Window System Version 7.0.0
[10:37] <intelikey> mine
[10:38] <NeoSaki> erm
[10:38] <NeoSaki> maybe it is 7?
[10:38] <NeoSaki> then why isn't my tv capture working?
[10:38] <intelikey> you did    Xorg -version
[10:38] <intelikey> ?
[10:38] <aseigo> jono: ping
[10:38] <Jucato> oooh aseigo :)
[10:39] <Jucato> all hail aseigo!!
[10:39] <aseigo> hey =) how you are doing?
[10:40] <Jucato> hehe doing fine. missed your wednesday Plasma blog. ehehe :)
[10:40] <intelikey> and it peves me off that they dropped one dash.   --version has always been *nix standard  but xorg requires one dash  not zero and not two, exactly one.   dumb jackasses.
[10:40] <jono> aseigo, pong!
[10:40] <aseigo> johey: hey dude =)
[10:40] <aseigo> er, jono ^
[10:40] <MDCore> hey all... I switched back to my kubuntu dual boot after a couple of weeks of windows use. Kopete won't login to MSN... is there a problem that I should know of ?
[10:41] <aseigo> jono: you're alive and i'm alive ... at the same time.. ;)
[10:41] <jono> aseigo, not too bad, given the circumstances
[10:41] <Jucato> heh :)
[10:41] <aseigo> jono: indeed. pondering if you know what your sched looks like this week?
[10:41] <jono> aseigo, can we talk tomorrow, I have to cremate our puppy today :(
[10:42] <Jucato> oh... Banger...
[10:42] <Jucato> :(
[10:42] <intelikey> roast dog ?
[10:43] <Jucato> tsk tsk...
[10:43] <aseigo> jono: oh, shitty. dog, that is, not waiting until tomorrow
[10:43] <NeoSaki> intelikey: yeah, I did that
[10:43] <aseigo> johey: yeah, certainly.. ping me, or i'll ping you.. or whatever.. condolences on the pet
[10:43] <jono> intelikey, piss off
[10:44] <Jucato> jono: condolences from me, too. just read it in your blog
[10:44] <intelikey> jono did you just sware at me ?
[10:44] <jono> thanks Jucato
[10:44] <jono> intelikey, yes
[10:44] <intelikey> oh,  ok
[10:44] <Jucato> O_O
[10:44] <jono> intelikey, I think cheap jokes right not isnt particularly nice
[10:45] <jono> intelikey, particularly given what my family is going through
[10:46] <Jucato> intelikey: drop by Planet Ubuntu and check it out if you want
[10:47] <intelikey> yeah.  i think people that place more value on animal live than they do on human life are pond scum....  so maybe we're even jono...  idk     (and no i'm not trying to be nice, grow up a little bit chump)
[10:48] <halfbloodprince> i have a favour to ask.. can anyone send me a screenshot of the network settings dialog box? (kmenu -> system settings -> network settings)
[10:48] <Jucato> intelikey: don't generalize too much
[10:48] <jono> intelikey, do you have *any* compassion?
[10:48] <Jucato> intelikey: and it's on a case to case basis.
[10:48] <NeoSaki> halfbloodprince hold up
[10:49] <DeadS0ul> any of you able to get on msn atm?
[10:49] <Jucato> NeoSaki: heh, "hold up" in our country is synonymous to a "stick up"/mugging :D
[10:49] <NeoSaki> where you at, Jucato?
[10:49] <intelikey> sure jono.   but a dog dying doesn't rate any.  human tragity is altogather different.
[10:49] <Jucato> DeadS0ul: seems to be no problem here
[10:49] <Jucato> NeoSaki: philippines
[10:50] <NeoSaki> ahh
[10:50] <Jucato> intelikey: some people consider their pets to be part of the family and have emotional attachments to them
[10:50] <DeadS0ul> what're you using?
[10:50] <Jucato> intelikey: just because you don't feel that way doesn't mean that other people should feel the same way as you do
[10:50] <Jucato> DeadS0ul: Kopete
[10:50] <DeadS0ul> =\
[10:50] <aseigo> intelikey: dude, i don't think anyone said anything about human life vs animal life
[10:51] <DeadS0ul> wonder why kmess and koepte aren't letting me on =(
[10:51] <halfbloodprince> yo Jucato, what's up? :)
[10:51] <Jucato> hi halfbloodprince! :)
[10:51] <aseigo> intelikey: some people do, however, have a level of compassion that allows them to care about their animal partners
[10:52] <aseigo> intelikey: that's a good thing from a mental health perspective, actually
[10:52] <Jucato> intelikey: and some people should have a level of tact when dealing with other people's preferences, specially when it's pretty emotional
[10:52] <aseigo> intelikey: whilst poking sticks at someone who's lost a good friend isn't
[10:52] <Jucato> NeoSaki: I don't know how much longer halfbloodprince can keep holding up :)
[10:53] <Jucato> it's pretty strenuous :)
[10:53] <NeoSaki> halfbloodprince: http://www.gops-clan.com/snapshot.png
[10:53] <lupine_85> halfbloodprince: you still need that screenshot?
[10:53] <lupine_85> in admin mode or normal?
[10:53] <NeoSaki> er..
[10:53] <NeoSaki> snapshot1.png
[10:53] <NeoSaki> halfbloodprince: http://www.gops-clan.com/snapshot1.png
[10:54] <halfbloodprince> thanks man
[10:54] <NeoSaki> np
[10:54] <NeoSaki> tell me if you need more, sorry it took so long, realized i didn't have kftpgrabber installed >_>
[10:54] <intelikey> aseigo you finished ?
[10:55] <aseigo> intelikey: as a matter of fact, yes. =)
[10:55] <jono> aseigo, don't waste your breath
[10:55] <Jucato> wb jono
[10:55] <jono> hey Jucato
[10:55] <halfbloodprince> where do i set my default gateway? under 'routes'?
[10:55] <lupine_85> halfbloodprince: yes
[10:56] <halfbloodprince> lupine_85: thanks
[10:56] <grothesk> Which plugin do I need for sending pictures from gwenview by email?
[10:56] <halfbloodprince> man, i've downloaded like 600mb+ and bitcomet still says 62%
[10:56] <halfbloodprince> i think it's redownloading stuff
[10:56] <lupine_85> bittorrent is a pain like that
[10:57] <aseigo> grothesk: it's not under Plugins -> Images for you?
[10:57] <grothesk> aseigo: No. It's missing.
[10:57] <aseigo> halfbloodprince: could it be that you've downloaded lots of partial chunks?
[10:57] <Jucato> aseigo: for some odd reason, Kubuntu doesn't include the gwenview plugins by default...
[10:57] <halfbloodprince> aseigo: i guess it must be that
[10:58] <aseigo> halfbloodprince: if you were running ktorrent you could see quite easily ;)
[10:58] <halfbloodprince> it's going to be another day till i download the whole thing
[10:58] <Jucato> er... let me correct that. Kubuntu doesn't install it by default...
[10:59] <lupine_85> might have been faster to flutter your eyelashes at some other Ubuntuer in your country and got them to send you a CD :(
[10:59] <grothesk> Oh. Excuse me. I can send local pictures. I was just trying to send a remote picture. ;-)
[10:59] <NeoSaki> nice to see ATI is officially supporting x86_64 linux
[11:00] <aseigo> Jucato: perhaps it's kipi
[11:00] <halfbloodprince> lupine: i don't know anyone else in my country who uses ubuntu
[11:00] <lupine_85> India?
[11:00] <halfbloodprince> yeah
[11:01] <Jucato> aseigo: yeah I think so too
[11:01] <lupine_85> a bit difficult, I guess :(
[11:01] <lupine_85> (I'm in the UK)
[11:01] <aseigo> grothesk: try apt-get install'ing kipi-plugins
[11:01] <halfbloodprince> well, it's just going to be another day.. by the time I wake up tomorrow, it should all be done :D
[11:01] <grothesk> aseigo: Sorry, I figured it out already.
[11:01] <aseigo> ha!
[11:02] <grothesk>  <grothesk> Oh. Excuse me. I can send local pictures. I was just trying to send a remote picture. ;-)
[11:02] <halfbloodprince> i'm so bored of this windows crap.. all the WGA and SP2 crap.. it's like aaaarrgghh
[11:03] <halfbloodprince> i really think more manufacturers should have PCs pre-installed with Linux.. linux comes with so much stuff..
[11:03] <NeoSaki> halfbloodprince you can get pcs with linux on them
[11:03] <lupine_85> Microsoft gives huge OEM discounts to PC manufacturers who use Windows :(
[11:04] <halfbloodprince> :(
[11:04] <NeoSaki> ^-^ But self installing it makes it so much more entertaining
[11:04] <grizzly> is there a way to hibernate without needing the password?
[11:04] <NeoSaki> lupine_85 so? linux is FREE
[11:04] <Jucato> not to mention more educational
[11:04] <NeoSaki> whats better than FREE?
[11:04] <NeoSaki> lol
[11:04] <NeoSaki> I wish Adobe would start supporting linux
[11:04] <Jucato> hm.. free AND easy :)
[11:04] <Jucato> j/k
[11:04] <lupine_85> NeoSaki: if you ship even some PCs with linux, you lose those discounts... for all your other PCs
[11:05] <halfbloodprince> adobe apps are the only reason i'm dual booting
[11:05] <NeoSaki> same here
[11:05] <NeoSaki> oh, and games
[11:05] <lupine_85> so if you sell a fair number of Windows PCs as well, you could end up losing plenty of money
[11:05] <halfbloodprince> i dont play many games
[11:05] <NeoSaki> cuz only 4-5 of my games play on linux
[11:05] <NeoSaki> WoW doesn't :(
[11:05] <NeoSaki> WoW is my kryptonite
[11:05] <Jucato> NeoSaki: some people have been able to play WoW...
[11:05] <DeadS0ul1`> same here =(
[11:05] <Jucato> but I guess using Cedega?
[11:06] <grothesk> Huh? WoW ist said to run fine under wine.
[11:06] <DeadS0ul1`> i play WoW too much
[11:06] <NeoSaki> Jucato: meh, I wouldn't wanna chance it >_>
[11:06] <Jucato> none of the games I play run in Linux. lol
[11:06] <feet> umm, how can i fix this: The KDE panel (kicker) could not load the main panel due to a problem with your installation!?
[11:06] <Jucato> i mean the MMORPG ones...
[11:06] <NeoSaki> I have to either download a special installer or tweak with it abit
[11:06] <lupine_85> Ultima runs :)
[11:06] <Jucato> feet: it says that everytime you try to login?
[11:06] <lupine_85> what else do you need, MMORPG-wise?!
[11:07] <feet> and every time i run kicker manually
[11:07] <Jucato> lupine_85: heh, I play the Asian ones... :P
[11:07] <NeoSaki> Maple Story?
[11:07] <NeoSaki> Ragnarok?
[11:07] <Jucato> feet: but otherwise kicker runs without problems?
[11:07] <halfbloodprince> Ragnarok is huge over here
[11:07] <feet> i dont know
[11:07] <feet> its not there!!
[11:07] <Jucato> yeah Ragnarok Online
[11:07] <DeadS0ul1`> rangarok is for girls
[11:07] <Jucato> DeadS0ul1`: hmph
[11:07] <Jucato> :)
[11:08] <voicu> #romania
[11:08] <voicu> oups
[11:08] <NeoSaki> I got bored with RO
[11:08] <DeadS0ul1`> i hope wow releases previews for hunters soon
[11:09] <Jucato> aseigo: yep. kipi-plugins... not installed by default :)
[11:09] <lupine_85> New warhammer online MMORPG up soon, apparently
[11:09] <NeoSaki> Same with CoH, CoV, EvE, SL, MS, and that future one from Codemasters
[11:09] <Jucato> er.. anyone who can help feet?
[11:09] <DeadS0ul1`> you think warhammer will be better than WoW?
[11:09] <NeoSaki> I suggest reinstall
[11:09] <Jucato> (ouch...)
[11:09] <NeoSaki> or possibly uninstall the kicker and reinstall it >_>
[11:10] <Jucato> feet: is this a new installation of Kubuntu? did you encounter any problems when you installed?
[11:10] <NeoSaki> I don't know if kicker is seperate from kde or not though
[11:10] <feet> its part of kdebase
[11:10] <feet> i dont really want to get rid of that and install it again
[11:10] <Jucato> NeoSaki: it's a separate program but part of kdebase like feet said
[11:10] <halfbloodprince> what about Spore
[11:11] <NeoSaki> I'm so getting Spore
[11:11] <NeoSaki> for my DS PC and X360
[11:11] <NeoSaki> its like Joygasmic Fun
[11:11] <halfbloodprince> heh
[11:11] <NeoSaki> I hope they get the Live enabled on it
[11:11] <NeoSaki> so that your save games will transfer when you connect to the net
[11:11] <feet> Jucato: it isnt new. i just happened to restart X and then when i logged back in, WHAM, it wouldnt work
[11:11] <chx> I read http://www.alwins-world.de/programs/kdesvn/kdesvn_dok/kdesvn-kio.html but it's not clear -- is there a ksvn kio slave which lets me _write_ to the repository?
[11:12] <cox377> whats the difference between unix and linux?
[11:12] <lupine_85> cox377: unix is expensive :)
[11:12] <feet> lol
[11:12] <NeoSaki> unix is geared more towards corp and linux is a more of a home version
[11:12] <NeoSaki> plus linux is free
[11:12] <chx> cox377: what's the difference between a lamer and a user who searches?
[11:12] <lupine_85> Our Uni has SunOS 5.? and it costs them a small fortune
[11:12] <chx> (sorry)
[11:12] <NeoSaki> ooo harsh
[11:13] <lupine_85> Once you're on the CLI, you simply can't tell the difference though
[11:13] <Jucato> feet: what happened before you restarted X? did you install something or modify something?
[11:14] <feet> not so far as i am aware. tho i did notice the applets inserter was empty
[11:15] <feet> the folks in #kde recommended reinstalling the kicker package. but i dont think that will do much
[11:16] <Jucato> feet: have you tried it?
[11:16] <feet> am going to
[11:16] <feet> looking for the package on da site
[11:16] <Jucato> feet: it's "kicker"
[11:16] <feet> i know
[11:16] <feet> but my connection isnt the fastest
[11:16] <cox377> chx ; )
[11:16] <Jucato> feet: sudo apt-get install --reinstall kicker
[11:17] <DeadS0ul1`> crap i dunno what I did to my mixer settings, I don' thave any sound atm
[11:17] <NeoSaki> :|
[11:17] <feet> ok
[11:17] <NeoSaki> My arsehole gene was kicking in
[11:17] <cox377> neosaki: is the platform similar though?
[11:17] <NeoSaki> must...resist...
[11:18] <MetaMorfoziS> jreggelt mindenkinek
[11:18] <Jucato> heh...
[11:18] <Jucato> we all must resist...
[11:18] <NeoSaki> cox377 whatchu mean?
[11:19] <lupine_85> linux is a unix feel-a-like, in that they're both POSIX-compliant
[11:19] <lupine_85> beyond that, it depends on what version of linux you're comparing against what version of unix
[11:19] <lupine_85> google has many comparative essays :)
[11:20] <NeoSaki> what NTSC standard is america using?
[11:20] <intelikey> Jucato ttfn
[11:20] <feet> jucato: it worked, but my applets inserter is still empty
[11:21] <feet> lol
[11:21] <Jucato> guess he left too...
[11:21] <voicu> How can I stop KDE from adding other window managers' programs in its menu?
[11:22] <voicu> and vice versa...
[11:22] <tk> NeoSaki: NTSC-M which barely any different than NTSC-J
[11:23] <intelikey> voicu /etc/menu*  might have answers on that, but why do you want to restrict the use of an app to only wm ?
[11:24] <dsas> could anyone tell me what package kinfocenter belongs to?
[11:24] <voicu> Because I want to use KDE, Gnome and XFCE at the same time and the menus would become really crowded with programs that do the same thing.
[11:25] <NeoSaki> tk, Thanks
[11:26] <aseigo> dsas: kcontrol
[11:26] <dsas> aseigo: Cool, thanks.
[11:26] <aseigo> voicu: that's a per-.desktop file thing
[11:26] <cox377> neosaki: lol... i'm currently looking for employment, and when it requires unix experience i'm wondering how much my small experience with linux could count towards thats
[11:26] <aseigo> voicu: they need to have either OnlyShowIn= or NotShowIn= entries
[11:27] <aseigo> voicu: those restrict where they are shown... alternatively in your .menu files you can specify that the Catgories= must contain KDE or GNOME or whatever
[11:27] <NeoSaki> cox377: hrm...a little bit, if you're familiar with the terminal commands
[11:28] <voicu> ok, thanks aseigo
[11:28] <intelikey> dsas dpkg -S /path/filename   will answer those questions for you in the future
[11:28] <dsas> intelikey: I don't have kde installed, just doing some bug triaging.
[11:28] <dsas> intelikey: Thanks for the tip though :)
[11:29] <intelikey> np
[11:29] <cox377> neosaki: getting there, i think it's a non starter now, if I ever got into the interview it maybe become very interesting when asking me questions about it
[11:29] <NeoSaki>  cox377 would be interesting
[11:29] <NeoSaki> brb
[11:29] <NeoSaki> gotta reboot xorg
[11:30] <tk> cox377: working in a terminal is the best way to learn it, if you know how to do things that way, and know some server admin type stuff from terminal, that would useually cover "unix exp" I would think...
[11:30] <intelikey> i thought you only boot an os...
[11:30] <Healot> hehe
[11:30] <Healot> restart the X server i guess
[11:30] <intelikey> yeah i guess
[11:30] <quique> hi
[11:30] <Healot> Illl reboot my car :)
[11:31] <intelikey> lol
[11:31] <intelikey> sentiments
[11:31] <tk> If it wasnt for the hardware damage it might cause I'd "re-boot" windows all day for being such a buggy POS. (I still love my laptop though)
[11:32] <cox377> tk: cheers for that, i think a year down the line i may reach that point, but i;ve only been on it for a few months. Cheers anyway
[11:32] <Healot> does the updated CD image of DApper contains all the updates minus the security updates?
[11:33] <Healot> damn, GPRS is scarce
[11:34] <CVirus> Healot: WTF .. are you really inside your car ?
[11:35] <CVirus> Healot: I thought GPRS prices are very high !
[11:35] <Healot> me? it's cheap here...
[11:35] <Healot> I am on a bus btw )
[11:35] <CVirus> Healot: and whats the speed ?
[11:36] <Healot> twice the dial-up
[11:36] <intelikey> your not sitting in your car giggeling at how skinny you are are you ?
[11:36] <lupine_85> 3G++
[11:36] <Healot> iI could get higher speed if I have an EDGE capable-phone
[11:37] <CVirus> Healot: where do you live ?
[11:37] <Healot> me, Malaysia
[11:37] <lupine_85> Wilayah Persekutuan ?
[11:38] <CVirus> Healot: isnt Malaysia the country with the greatest number of muslims ?
[11:38] <NeoSaki> starting to piss me off
[11:39] <Healot> no
[11:39] <intelikey> that's what i got on your ip, but thought you might have been tor'ing it though
[11:39] <Healot> in percentage it's indonesia
[11:39] <Healot> well, in numbers too
[11:39] <CVirus> ah yeah right
[11:39] <CVirus> indonesia
[11:39] <halfbloodprince> what difference does the number of muslims make?
[11:39] <NeoSaki> guess I'm going todo something extreme
[11:39] <Healot> halfbloodprince: i have no idea :)
[11:40] <NeoSaki> muslims scare CVirus
[11:40] <CVirus> nah
[11:40] <cox377> lol
[11:40] <lupine_85> mmmmmmmmmmmmm persecution
[11:40] <CVirus> I were a muslim myself
[11:40] <NeoSaki> he pees his pants when he sees a group
[11:40] <halfbloodprince> heh
[11:40] <NeoSaki> CVirus, where you from?
[11:40] <CVirus> NeoSaki: I already live in a muslim community
[11:40] <CVirus> NeoSaki: Egypt !
[11:40] <halfbloodprince> brb guys
[11:40] <CVirus> no longer a muslim though
[11:41] <NeoSaki> ^^
[11:41] <NeoSaki> XVampireX! Emo!
[11:41] <NeoSaki> :O
[11:41] <Healot> don't get emo
[11:41] <Healot> get penguined instead
[11:41] <intelikey> yeah
[11:42] <lupine_85> emo penguin?
[11:42] <Healot> yeah
[11:42] <NeoSaki> hey intelikey, which source do i need to recompile the kernel on here?
[11:42] <lupine_85> !linux-source-2.6.25
[11:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about linux-source-2.6.25 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:42] <lupine_85> !linux-source-2.6.15
[11:42] <intelikey> linux-source
[11:42] <ubotu> linux-source-2.6.15: Linux kernel source for version 2.6.15 with Ubuntu patches. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.15-26.46 (dapper), package size 43476 kB, installed size 43612 kB
[11:42] <NeoSaki> yeah just figured that out xD
[11:43] <CVirus> Healot: how much do you pay for this GPRS service ... is it per KB ?
[11:43] <NeoSaki> i was scrolling through the list on Synaptic, and it had like four or five wierd ones, then moved the page down right after asking xD
[11:43] <intelikey> linux-source  is a meta package that should get you the latest
[11:43] <Healot> CVirus: unlimited access
[11:43] <CVirus> Healot: WTF :-S
[11:44] <CVirus> Healot: its per KB in here
[11:44] <intelikey> err latest *buntu kernel for dapper that is
[11:44] <Healot> pro-rated at RM 99 ~= USD 25
[11:44] <NeoSaki> tis cool tis cool
[11:44] <NeoSaki> just gotta compile it to include a couple updated drivers that kubuntu doesn't seem to like >_>
[11:44] <tk> CVirus: you can often get unlimited packages if you pay the price for em... I don't believ ethey are very cheap in the US yet though
[11:44] <Healot> i guess telco wars make customers happy
[11:45] <intelikey> NeoSaki you could use kernel-source  if you wanted a 2.4 kernel   :)
[11:45] <lupine_85> no point though, as I don't have a laptop
[11:45] <NeoSaki> intelikey: meh, I'm good, I like the updated USB
[11:45] <CVirus> Healot: we dont have telco wars here ... there is a committee that controls the prices .. and companies arent allowed to drop below certain prices
[11:45] <lupine_85> (at least, not one worth bothering about!)
[11:45] <Healot> it literally a cold war here
[11:46] <intelikey> don't you just hate it when a war gets cold....
[11:46] <NeoSaki> now where did it install/download those sources to >_>
[11:46] <Healot> but mobile phones are cheap here I guess, customers are growing...
[11:46] <CVirus> NeoSaki: /usr/src/
[11:46] <NeoSaki> nope
[11:47] <NeoSaki> not there
[11:47] <lupine_85>  /usr/src/(some-tarball)
[11:47] <lupine_85> it just dumps the compressed file down
[11:47] <intelikey> NeoSaki should be a tar archive in /usr/src
[11:47] <lupine_85> dpkg -L linux-source-2.6.15 if it's not there
[11:47] <NeoSaki> got it
[11:48] <NeoSaki> i guess it didn't download it the first time ?
[11:48] <NeoSaki> oh well
[11:49] <voicu> maybe it has to copy some headers or something
[11:50] <voicu> anyway it's just an abstraction in case anyone would need someday to set up a source tarball :P
[11:50] <intelikey> dpkg -L linux-source
[11:50] <intelikey> lol   ok.
[11:50] <voicu> yep, look, there's the copyright file
[11:51] <NeoSaki> is there anyway to gain root in the gui?
[11:51] <CVirus> NeoSaki: what GUI ?
[11:51] <intelikey> kdesu app
[11:51] <CVirus> ah right
[11:51] <intelikey> kdesu konqueror
[11:52] <NeoSaki> thx intelikey
[11:52] <intelikey> kdesu klipper    ???   that should be interesting...
[11:56] <hussam> on Edgy, how often does the adept thingy in the systray automatically check for updates?
[11:56] <intelikey> isn't that configurable ?   or do you mean the default setting ?
[11:57] <hussam> intelikey, default
[11:57] <intelikey> default is daily  iirc
[11:57] <danimarquez> hi, anyone can help me on how to configure an AverTv on Ubuntu?
[11:57] <hussam> intelikey, how do I configure it?
[11:58] <jprenaud> hi all
[11:58] <intelikey> hussam idk.   right click on the updater icon maybe ?
[11:59] <hussam> intelikey, it just says 'about adept..' and 'close' , it's ok
[12:00] <kuzmaster> hey all
[12:00] <hussam> another small annoyance. the power manager icon the systray has a blank tooltip when I hover the mouse over it.
[12:00] <intelikey> hussam with in adept check there,   i'v only been there one time.  i don't recall how.
[12:00] <intelikey> within
[12:01] <intelikey> leaving.
[12:07] <danimarquez> anyone knows about AverMedia on a Ubuntu?
[12:09] <Healot> not me, what's an Avermedia?
[12:09] <danimarquez> i have a tv-tunner, called AverTv USB 2.0
[12:09] <danimarquez> and no way to make it work with Ubuntu...
[12:09] <danimarquez> u know anything about tv-tunners?
[12:09] <Healot> hum.
[12:10] <Healot> i saw the TV tuner compat list but i didn't see any about AverTV
[12:10] <danimarquez> ah... there are some that are not compatible?
[12:12] <Healot> since many TV tuner are proprietary, only a few have good GNU/linux support
[12:12] <hussam> the most supported tv cards are ones that use saa7134 chips
[12:13] <danimarquez> ah... and how can i know if my card uses this chips?
[12:13] <Healot> lspci -v
[12:13] <danimarquez> but when i put something like gmesg o something like this, i see my tuner there
[12:13] <Healot> see if it says so from the output
[12:14] <danimarquez> ok, 1 sec
[12:14] <hussam> if it is video4linux compatible and the correct driver is loaded, it will work under tvtime
[12:14] <Healot> !wifi
[12:14] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[12:15] <danimarquez> ouff. how can i read all what comes after lspci -v?
[12:15] <danimarquez> some important point to make attention not to read all?
[12:15] <Healot> wikis are damn hard to search around
[12:15] <Healot> too geeky to search
[12:16] <aes52> erm can anyone advise me on howto install kubuntu with lvm ?
[12:18] <danimarquez> maalesh
[12:18] <danimarquez> !avertv
[12:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about avertv - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:19] <danimarquez> !tv
[12:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tv - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:19] <NeoSaki> damn, compiling the kernel didnt do a whole lot, though i did manage to clear about 40 unused drivers out
[12:19] <danimarquez> !nothing at all
[12:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nothing at all - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:19] <NeoSaki> well I was going to help him
[12:23] <drpepper> hey
[12:23] <NeoSaki> hoy
[12:23] <drpepper> i have a problem if anyone feels like helping
[12:23] <drpepper> :p
[12:24] <NeoSaki> whats your problem and we'll see if we can help :P
[12:24] <drpepper> i installed kubuntu
[12:24] <NeoSaki> :O
[12:24] <NeoSaki> Omg
[12:24] <drpepper> and want some nice themes
[12:24] <NeoSaki> you screwed up!
[12:24] <drpepper> etc
[12:24] <drpepper> nah it works
[12:24] <NeoSaki> just kidding
[12:24] <drpepper> :p
[12:24] <NeoSaki> kde-look.org
[12:24] <drpepper> yeah
[12:24] <drpepper> so im tryign to install a theme manager
[12:24] <drpepper> and i get this error
[12:24] <drpepper> doing a ./configure
[12:25] <NeoSaki> you have to install the dev kit
[12:25] <NeoSaki> kde-develop
[12:25] <NeoSaki> :D
[12:25] <drpepper> but i havent given u the error
[12:25] <NeoSaki> using apt-get, adept, synaptic or what not
[12:25] <drpepper> lets see if your blind brilliance pays off
[12:25] <NeoSaki> do you have the kde-develop installed?
[12:25] <drpepper> apt-get says it cant find kde-develop
[12:26] <NeoSaki> meh
[12:26] <NeoSaki> use adept
[12:26] <NeoSaki> the gui makes it so much nicer
[12:27] <NeoSaki> plus you picking the packages is easier with it
[12:28] <drpepper> cant find it there either
[12:28] <NeoSaki> ?
[12:28] <NeoSaki> did you fetch updates
[12:29] <NeoSaki> oh its kde-devel
[12:29] <NeoSaki> meh
[12:30] <drpepper> ok gonna give that a go
[12:31] <drpepper> ah bolox
[12:31] <NeoSaki> bolox?
[12:31] <drpepper> adept didnt close properly
[12:31] <drpepper> now the directory is locked
[12:31] <NeoSaki> >_>
[12:31] <drpepper> got a handy way to kill it?
[12:32] <drpepper> kill adept didnt work
[12:32] <NeoSaki> erm...? right click -> close
[12:32] <NeoSaki> or is the proggy locked?
[12:32] <drpepper> it closed
[12:32] <drpepper> it wasnt updating
[12:32] <drpepper> when i tried fetch
[12:33] <drpepper> because im behind a proxy
[12:33] <NeoSaki> damn proxies
[12:33] <NeoSaki> how can anyone live with them?!
[12:33] <drpepper> its work
[12:34] <drpepper> and i get a 100Mbit line by going through it
[12:34] <drpepper> :)
[12:34] <NeoSaki> so?
[12:34] <NeoSaki> you still have bottlenecks
[12:34] <drpepper> true that
[12:34] <NeoSaki> and your home comp is still stuck at whatever its normal net speed it
[12:34] <NeoSaki> is*
[12:34] <drpepper> but i can get stuff from my bsd box in holland at 10MB/s
[12:34] <drpepper> and then put it on an external
[12:35] <drpepper> :p
[12:35] <NeoSaki> anywho
[12:35] <drpepper> ah well lets not bickert
[12:35] <drpepper> gdman
[12:35] <NeoSaki> gdman?
[12:35] <drpepper> good man
[12:35] <NeoSaki> oh
[12:35] <NeoSaki> ight
[12:35] <drpepper> root@bebop:~# apt-get install kde-devel
[12:35] <drpepper> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[12:35] <drpepper> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[12:35] <NeoSaki> adept would be
[12:35] <drpepper> thats why i dont think adept closed
[12:36] <NeoSaki> I suggest reboot ^^
[12:36] <NeoSaki> then use adept
[12:36] <drpepper> :(
[12:36] <tk> drpepper: sudo killall -9 apt-get and sudo killall -9 dpkg
[12:37] <NeoSaki> damn you tk! I was trying to get him back for the proxy
[12:37] <NeoSaki> -.-
[12:37] <tk> proxy? (i just got back :P)
[12:37] <NeoSaki> he was arguing with me about him using a proxy
[12:38] <lupine_85> rm  /var/lib/dpkg/lock would work if adept died
[12:38] <lupine_85> no need to reboot unless the kernel dies - this is linux! :)
[12:38] <tk> drpepper: and you may wanna try sudo killall -9 adept (if adept is stuck in an open state despite the GUI being gone)
[12:38] <tk> or that works I suppose too :P
[12:38] <drpepper> root@bebop:~# apt-get install kde-devel
[12:38] <drpepper> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[12:38] <drpepper> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[12:39] <drpepper> ok
[12:39] <drpepper> thanks
[12:39] <drpepper> thats a shit load of stuff
[12:39] <drpepper> gonna take some time
[12:39] <_JuDgEn_> go open rules, i wish we had that kind of programms in sweden
[12:39] <drpepper> thnx
[12:41] <NeoSaki> whats you talking about Jedgen_?
[12:41] <NeoSaki> anyone know a good alternative to the normal kicker
[12:41] <_JuDgEn_> NeoSaki: the south african tv-show
[12:41] <_JuDgEn_> about open source
[12:41] <NeoSaki> oh
[12:41] <NeoSaki> ^^
[12:42] <matus_> hallo
[12:42] <matus_> i've got a prob with mic settings in kubuntu. the recordings are *very* silent
[12:42] <matus_> any ideas?
[12:43] <drpepper> did you plug in the mic?
[12:43] <_JuDgEn_> does anyone have a working kdetv?
[12:43] <Ash-Fox> I'm suprised that Kerry doesn't come with kubuntu by default
[12:43] <matus_> drpepper: tes :)
[12:43] <bele> Is it really stable - Kerry I mean?
[12:43] <matus_> yes
[12:44] <Ash-Fox> bele, yes. It's in the repositories etc. But it just isn't installed by default
[12:45] <NeoSaki> matus have you checked your mic volumes?
[12:45] <beregos> all i get is a black screen in kdetv.....
[12:45] <Ash-Fox> Theres also a neat kioslave, that adds beagle: to konqueror etc
[12:45] <bele> matus_: did you try to adjust mic input level with kmix...?
[12:46] <beregos> bleeding annoying
[12:46] <NeoSaki> and are you sure its plugged into mic socket of your sound card
[12:46] <drpepper> NeoSaki: i tried that one alreadyt
[12:46] <drpepper> :p
[12:46] <NeoSaki> beregos: what tuner card you using
[12:46] <NeoSaki> what you talking about drpepper?
[12:46] <drpepper> the idea that he had not plugged it in
[12:47] <beregos> NeoSaki: BT878
[12:47] <NeoSaki> no i was asking if he had it in the right port
[12:47] <beregos> NeoSaki: works flawlessly in kopete
[12:47] <NeoSaki> beregos: so its a usb?
[12:47] <hussam> I want to report a bug in launchpad but I can't seem to figure out the package name. It's the power manager in the systray
[12:47] <hussam> on edgy
[12:47] <hussam> anyone knows what package contains that?
[12:47] <beregos> NeoSaki: no its a standard pci hauppage BT878
[12:47] <NeoSaki> drpepper: did the develop kit work for you?
[12:47] <abattoir> hussam: what's the bug?
[12:47] <abattoir> hussam: and are you running up-to-date edgy?
[12:48] <abattoir> hussam: btw, #ubuntu+1 is actually the right place for it....
[12:48] <abattoir> hussam: anyways, what's the bug?
[12:48] <matus_> NeoSaki: yes, all is 100%
[12:48] <hussam> abattoir, yes, just did a dist-upgrade. that bug is that when I hover over it, I get a blank white tooltip
[12:48] <abattoir> hussam: are you on a desktop?
[12:49] <hussam> abattoir, yes
[12:49] <NeoSaki> beregos: just checking so dont get angry, but is your vid card the one selected by kdetv?
[12:49] <drpepper> NeoSaki: It did indeed
[12:49] <NeoSaki> matus_: So it's recording but sounds bad?
[12:49] <NeoSaki> drpepper: :P told ya
[12:49] <abattoir> hussam: ok, from what i understand, it is intended for only laptops, and will soon be ensured that it is only *installed* in laptops...
[12:50] <abattoir> hussam: so expect it to be removed soon
[12:50] <NeoSaki> hey abattoir
[12:50] <abattoir> hi NeoSaki... but i dont remember who you are :P
[12:50] <abattoir> NeoSaki: used a different nick before?
[12:50] <hussam> abattoir, when it's removed, I can still hibernate from logout menu, correct?
[12:50] <drpepper> NeoSaki: thnx
[12:51] <NeoSaki> abattoir: yeah Sakirious
[12:51] <abattoir> hussam: i think so yes...
[12:51] <matus_> NeoSaki: yes, it's silent
[12:51] <beregos> NeoSaki: this is my first time using kdetv, what file should i edit? also /dev/video and /dev/video0 isnt connected according to bash.
[12:51] <abattoir> NeoSaki: i dont think i remember that either :P
[12:51] <NeoSaki> matus_: So you cannot hear anything at all?
[12:51] <beregos> NeoSaki: though as i said kopete can watch tv but not change channels ofcourse
[12:52] <matus_> NeoSaki: i can hear something, but *very* silently
[12:52] <NeoSaki> beregos: settings ->configure
[12:52] <NeoSaki> erm cancel that
[12:52] <NeoSaki> thinking of another program xD
[12:53] <NeoSaki> beregos: under the video menu what does it say at the bottom
[12:53] <NeoSaki> matus_: what type of mic are you using?
[12:53] <beregos> video menu? where?
[12:53] <NeoSaki> 4th menu at the top of the main screen
[12:54] <beregos> in kdetv?
[12:54] <NeoSaki> yeah
[12:54] <beregos> all i get when i start kdetv is a black fullscreen
[12:54] <beregos> and have to logoff to quit it
[12:54] <NeoSaki> i see
[12:54] <NeoSaki> did you install from the repository?
[12:55] <beregos> i googled for it as usual, and it seems that many has this problem. But there are no answers how to fix it
[12:55] <beregos> NeoSaki: yes
[12:55] <matus_> NeoSaki: external headphones with mic
[12:55] <NeoSaki> matus_: does it have a mute button on it?
[12:55] <beregos> NeoSaki: and the same problem appears in breezy
[12:56] <matus_> NeoSaki: nope
[12:56] <NeoSaki> matus_: Do you happen to have another computer to test your mic out on?
[12:56] <NeoSaki> say one with windows or mac osx?
[12:56] <matus_> NeoSaki: yes, it works flawelessly
[12:57] <NeoSaki> how many sound cards do you have installed in your computer?
[12:57] <matus_> NeoSaki: yes, it works flawlessly
[12:57] <matus_> NeoSaki: 1
[12:57] <NeoSaki> ight...hrm...so its got to do with kmixer...
[12:57] <matus_> NeoSaki: 0000:00:1b.0 0403: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 04)
[12:58] <NeoSaki> hey abattoir, you there?
[12:58] <beregos> matus_: just pull everything in kmixer to top just to test
[12:58] <matus_> NeoSaki: knixer has all 100% up
[12:58] <beregos> ok
[12:58] <matus_> NeoSaki: all unmuted
[12:58] <beregos> and nothing is muted?
[12:58] <matus_> beregos: yes
[12:59] <matus_> beregos: nothing is muted
[12:59] <beregos> both input, output and have first of all checked the switches so you have the right one enabled
[01:00] <beregos> try all mic options if nothing else helps
[01:01] <matus_> beregos: tried
[01:02] <matus_> beregos: the worst thing is, tat it works on win :(
[01:02] <willie_> can anyone help with a plug-in for .wma files on Firefox?
[01:03] <NeoSaki> beregos: have you tried using xawtv?
[01:03] <NeoSaki> willie_: whatchu need?
[01:04] <matus_> NeoSaki: beregos has left this server
[01:04] <lupine_85> !w32codecs
[01:04] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:04] <matus_> NeoSaki: here are snapshots of my mixer:
[01:04] <willie_> n00b I set up with kubuntu needs to get embedded .wma sounds from a fav website - I dunno sos I never bother with .wma
[01:04] <matus_> NeoSaki: http://matus.shake.org/mic_prob/
[01:04] <lupine_85> that with mplayer will do the trick
[01:05] <lupine_85> !mozillaplugin-mplayer
[01:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mozillaplugin-mplayer - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:05] <lupine_85> !mozilla-mplayer
[01:05] <ubotu> mozilla-mplayer: MPlayer-Plugin for Mozilla. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 3.17-1ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 421 kB, installed size 1500 kB
[01:06] <willie_> thanks folks :-)
[01:08] <judgen> hehe xawtv did the same as kdetv
[01:08] <judgen> all black screen
[01:09] <judgen> im wondering if it has something to do with the video options
[01:09] <judgen> im forcing scaling and videooverlay instead of opengloverlay
[01:10] <judgen> might be something with qt though
[01:11] <judgen> no ideas?
[01:13] <beregos> haha neverball rules =)
[01:13] <beregos> i didnt stand a chanche when the edges was removed though hehe
[01:14] <NeoSaki> linux hates my vid card >_>
[01:14] <beregos> NeoSaki got any ideas why all the tv apps produce a black screen instead of the app itself?
[01:14] <beregos> NeoSaki what card?
[01:15] <NeoSaki> ATI All In Wonder 9700 Pro
[01:15] <beregos> why does it hate it?
[01:15] <NeoSaki> it won't let me use its TV-Tuner
[01:15] <beregos> aaah
[01:16] <beregos> it doesnt?
[01:16] <NeoSaki> >_> All I wanna do is watch TV on my desktop
[01:16] <NeoSaki> nope
[01:16] <beregos> even beos has tvtuner support for some ati cards
[01:16] <beregos> have you checked around on google?
[01:16] <NeoSaki> well I mean there is "support" but the drivers aren't being too friendly
[01:17] <beregos> ill be right back just have to reboot
[01:24] <NeoSaki> hey abattoir, how do you access the xorg setup on here, the normal xorgconfig isn't working
[01:24] <abattoir> NeoSaki: 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[01:25] <NeoSaki> abattoir: thanks
[01:34] <aes52> guys I want to install ubuntu + lvm on a physical partition, should I just use the livecd, make the logical volume(s) i want, then run the installer?
[01:37] <binary2k2> aes52: if you want LVM, it's better to use the alterate CD, i'm not even sure the Live CD installer can setup LVM
[01:37] <pavi> my usb drive is mounted as read only:((
[01:39] <fildo> any of use running compiz here?
[01:40] <saki> compiz?
[01:48] <chx> is there any way to find out the maximal resolution of my super-duper obscure (Google find 109 pages at all) video card?
[01:50] <lupine_85> chx: almost completely dependent on the amount of video RAM you have
[01:51] <NeoSaki> whats the easiest way to update xorg to v 7.1 and download all the ati drivers?
[01:51] <NeoSaki> and gatos stuff
[01:51] <chx> sorry. my question was wrong. This card has an LFH-60 connector with a splitter to two DVI connectors. The question is rather: how can i find out whether I have a dual link capable card or not?
[01:54] <kingheaven> who uses kubuntu for ppc ?
[01:54] <aes52> does the kubuntu installer support LVM ?
[02:01] <philipp> what is ppc
[02:01] <tsdgeos> lol
[02:01] <KingHeaven> powerpc
[02:01] <tsdgeos> KingHeaven: Riddell (kubuntu main devel) has a ppc around
[02:02] <KingHeaven> does kubuntu for ppc have a java sdk?
[02:04] <Riddell> aes52: alternate CD does
[02:04] <Riddell> KingHeaven: packages.ubuntu.com
[02:05] <KingHeaven> thank u very much
[02:05] <NeoSaki> this is making me wanna stab myself to relieve the pressure
[02:06] <scanwinder> i just installed the 64-bit version of kubuntu dapper and, ive noticed that its using up about 440Mb or RAM when all ive got open is mozilla firefox, anyone know why it would be using so much? ive barley done anything to it since it was installed
[02:07] <scanwinder> the system only has 512Mb of RAM so its 440Mb is quite significant
[02:07] <scanwinder> given that 64Mb is shared for the graphics card
[02:07] <lupine_85> scanwinder: a large chunk will be buffer
[02:07] <scanwinder> ah
[02:07] <lupine_85> that's nothing to worry about - linux will automagically drop it if the RAM is needed for anything else
[02:08] <scanwinder> its just generally running slow, i thought that may be source of the problem but perhaps its something else
[02:08] <NeoSaki> automagically lol
[02:08] <lupine_85> I've got 512MB RAM as well, and it runs fast here. What speed is your CPU? (and have you got your graphics card set up properly?)
[02:09] <Raul12> where can i get linux liabaries with description and their download
[02:09] <scanwinder> i dont have graphics card set up yet. the processor is amd athlon 64 3600+ X2
[02:09] <lupine_85> Raul12: adept
[02:09] <scanwinder> ive got system monitor open:P
[02:10] <lupine_85> you can tell if it's buffer by looking at the middle bar - dark green is buffer
[02:10] <scanwinder> middle bar where?
[02:10] <lupine_85> of the system monitor
[02:11] <Raul12> if i want to add new liabries to the existing one where do i get all information about them
[02:11] <lupine_85> Raul12: adept :)
[02:11] <scanwinder> im looking under physical memory in the system monitor and the middle bar is red
[02:11] <Raul12> ok i try searching it on net adept
[02:11] <lupine_85> KInfoCenter?
[02:12] <lupine_85> Raul12: Big K->System->Adept
[02:12] <Raul12> y
[02:12] <lupine_85> !adept
[02:12] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[02:12] <Raul12> no i want to a add new liabries from dling it from net
[02:12] <lupine_85> Raul12: which one?
[02:13] <Raul12> developer or codec liabries
[02:13] <Raul12> from net
[02:13] <scanwinder> the middle bar's green in kinfocenter
[02:13] <scanwinder> disk cache 37%
[02:13] <Raul12> so where do i get information on net for them
[02:13] <lupine_85> most libraries are available in adept. Any that aren't in adept, you need to google for
[02:13] <Raul12> ok
[02:14] <lupine_85> scanwinder: sounds about right. My "free physical memory" is 7%; 32% disc cache
[02:14] <scanwinder> im just noticing that apps are taking a long time to open and such
[02:14] <scanwinder> ok
[02:14] <scanwinder> any ideas why its slow then?
[02:14] <lupine_85> my processor is only a 2500+ ... so it must be something to do with the graphics
[02:14] <scanwinder> ok, ill set up the graphics card
[02:14] <lupine_85> nVidia or ATi? Or something obscure? ;)
[02:14] <scanwinder> nvidia:P
[02:15] <Raul12> will the liabries is externally installed can be deceted by "adept"
[02:15] <lupine_85> !nvidia
[02:15] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:15] <lupine_85> Raul12: not unless it comes as a .deb file
[02:15] <scanwinder> ive only set up ati in linux before - nvidia is apparently much better in linux
[02:15] <lupine_85> (and it probably won't)
[02:15] <scanwinder> should be fun
[02:15] <lupine_85> much easier :)
[02:15] <Raul12> if it doesnt come with .deb file how do i remove it after ward ??
[02:15] <lupine_85> generally, you can't
[02:16] <scanwinder> i dont get why no ati drivers work and just keep working, they just randomly crap out on me
[02:16] <lupine_85> checkinstall might help you for application software, but I wouldn't trust it with libraries
[02:16] <Raul12> then if it causing some error then what ?
[02:16] <lupine_85> ATi are useless :)
[02:16] <lupine_85> Raul12: this is why it's generally best to install from adept
[02:16] <lupine_85> playing with libraries is a good way to break your system
[02:16] <Raul12> but sometimes all the liabries are not avaiable from their
[02:17] <lupine_85> name a library
[02:17] <whizz> fsck says: "Inode <something> is in use, but has dtime set. Fix<y>?" can i safely press "y" ?
[02:17] <scanwinder> now hopefully the drivers will be on the unmetered download site:P
[02:17] <lupine_85> whizz: erm. is your drive mounted?
[02:17] <Raul12> i dont know but one of my friend told me about these error
[02:18] <Raul12> so i am concerned 4 future
[02:18] <lupine_85> almost all programs you'll ever come across will have their libraries in adept
[02:18] <lupine_85> if not, then you either find an alternative, or bite the bullet
[02:19] <mikki> i need some help with flash, i want to play a flash game, and i have installed flash, but it still dosnt work
[02:19] <lupine_85> making backups of /lib and /usr/lib is one way to be slightly safer
[02:19] <whizz> lupine_85: no
[02:19] <Raul12> ok
[02:19] <lupine_85> mikki: only flash <= 7 is supported in linux....
[02:19] <lupine_85> whizz: should be safe then.
[02:20] <lupine_85> if unsure, it's normally safe to go with the defaults :)
[02:20] <mikki> ok
[02:20] <whizz> ok
[02:20] <scanwinder> yeah flash runs like crap in linux
[02:20] <scanwinder> really annoys me!
[02:21] <lupine_85> blame it on Macromedia :)
[02:21] <scanwinder> i ended up running the latest flash through wine
[02:21] <scanwinder> thats how desparate i got
[02:21] <maltron> hi - can anyone help me change the default LANG setting to en_AU?  At the moment it's en_AU.UTF-8 and I think that utf-8 is causing me problems.
[02:21] <whizz> lupine_85: i pressed y, now fsck ask about the same inode: Inode <something> has imagic flag set. Clear<y>?
[02:22] <lupine_85> that one I don't know about.
[02:22] <lupine_85> Default is yes, though
[02:23] <Raul12> when i run fsck it tell the disk is mounted unsafe to carry on
[02:23] <Raul12> but i am on desktop
[02:23] <lupine_85> Raul12: don't run fsck on a mounted disc
[02:23] <scanwinder> apparently the next version of flash will work for linux and it will be less dodgey than flash 7 is on it
[02:23] <Raul12> so how i unmount n continue with my desktop
[02:24] <lupine_85> since the disc you're trying to fsck is likely the one your desktop is on... you don't
[02:24] <Raul12> so i have to unmount my working disk
[02:24] <lupine_85> fsck will automaticvally run if it need to on startup
[02:24] <Raul12> n wait 4 it 2 over
[02:24] <onkeltuca> hi
[02:25] <Raul12> can i know what fsck do defragment ???
[02:25] <onkeltuca> does anybody read?
[02:26] <lupine_85> ...it's the FileSystem ChecKer. There's no need to defrag on linux
[02:26] <Raul12> why that so
[02:26] <Raul12> we delete on linux
[02:26] <lupine_85> because linux uses ext2/ext3/reiserfs
[02:27] <Raul12> r they better than ntfs or fat ??
[02:27] <lupine_85> much
[02:27] <Raul12> thanks lupin
[02:28] <kristina> can't download files in kopete (from icq) what to do? need i a plug in or something?
[02:29] <kristina> the download button isn't enable
[02:29] <kristina> please help me
[02:29] <kristina> :-(
[02:30] <onkeltuca> does anybody know how to deal with broadcom devices
[02:31] <lupine_85> onkeltuca: you can use the native driver or ndiswrapper
[02:31] <onkeltuca> i tried thatthis night
[02:31] <lupine_85> the native one needs some firmware: http://www.lupine.me.uk/bcm43xx
[02:31] <onkeltuca> doesnt work
[02:31] <lupine_85> (the .tar.gz file)
[02:31] <onkeltuca> but thx
[02:31] <lupine_85> so you've tried the native+firmware route?
[02:32] <onkeltuca> yes
[02:32] <lupine_85> then your next step is to try ndiswrapper
[02:32] <onkeltuca> o took these bwc... files
[02:32] <lupine_85> !ndiswrapper
[02:32] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[02:32] <onkeltuca> and tried to wrapp it
[02:32] <lupine_85> it runs your windows drivers in linux and generally works
[02:32] <lupine_85> I've never installed it though, so can't really help you further :(
[02:33] <Raul12> which download button kristina ?
[02:33] <onkeltuca> thx a loti will retry
[02:33] <onkeltuca> well i use an acer laptop
[02:34] <onkeltuca> si i alos left the wlan card activated in windows ten reboot
[02:34] <tyler_d> how would I install an older version of xorg-driver-fglrx? where would I find it?
[02:34] <onkeltuca> but the wln buttons doesnt work..
[02:34] <lupine_85> tyler_d: apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx=<version>
[02:34] <tyler_d> lupine_85: beautiful.. let me try it
[02:35] <kristina> to download a file with kopete
[02:35] <kristina> in kopete the download
[02:35] <Raul12> reinstall it
[02:36] <tyler_d> version not found?
[02:36] <lupine_85> then that particular version doesn't exist
[02:36] <_philipp> tyler, use an interface like synaptic and the you can choose the version
[02:36] <lupine_85> make sure the version string is in the same format as the current one
[02:36] <ejder_> hi everybody, can someone help me pls,
[02:36] <lupine_85> or use adept :)
[02:37] <tyler_d> lupine_85: I will look... 2 secs
[02:37] <ejder_> it's about installing nvidia drivers
[02:37] <Sa_aD> Hi
[02:37] <ejder_> hi
[02:37] <Sa_aD> Please any one free for help ?
[02:37] <Sa_aD> i just have one quesion
[02:37] <Raul12> any way to convert .rpm into .deb and is it safe ?
[02:37] <ejder_> ask it
[02:38] <lupine_85> !alien
[02:38] <ubotu> rpm is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous).
[02:38] <lupine_85> app software is generally safe
[02:38] <lupine_85> libraries and core utils, kernels etc... less so
[02:38] <Sa_aD> i want to make the font size biger in IRC clint :$
[02:39] <Raul12> hmmm
[02:39] <ejder_> can someone please, tell me what's wrong with nvidia-glx driver, when i choose it on adpet (or with apt-get) after restarting X server there's no trace about it, just like if i didn't installed. And my screen got crazy
[02:39] <Sa_aD> ?
[02:40] <lupine_85> ejder_: you need to enable the driver?
[02:40] <onkeltuca> which card do you have?
[02:40] <ejder_> i did
[02:40] <ejder_> with nvidia-xconfig
[02:40] <Sa_aD> i want to make the font size biger in IRC clint :$
[02:40] <lupine_85> well if your screen went crazy, *something* happened :)
[02:40] <ejder_> FX 5600
[02:40] <aes52> can anyone tell me if the ubuntu installer includes LVM support?
[02:40] <lupine_85> are you sure your card is supported?
[02:40] <ejder_> for the card on AMD athlon
[02:41] <lupine_85> aes52: the alt install cd, yes
[02:41] <ejder_> and i have my kernel-k7 installed
[02:41] <lupine_85> not the silly LiveCD thing
[02:41] <aes52> lupine_85 why's that?
[02:41] <aes52> so I need some alternate CD ?
[02:41] <ejder_> yes it is on the list of supported device
[02:41] <aes52> is there documentation for that?
[02:41] <onkeltuca> nvidia has linuxdrivers
[02:42] <Sa_aD> Any answer ?
[02:42] <onkeltuca> just dl and install
[02:42] <Raul12> i have nvidia FX 5200 but i cant intsall it
[02:42] <tyler_d> ejder: sounds like you are having the same problem as me... the latest driver xglr ruins your framerate with the k7 modules
[02:42] <ejder_> i i know, but it didnt recognize my second monitor
[02:42] <ejder_> so its why i need nvidia propritary drivers
[02:42] <lupine_85> aes52: because they haven't gotten around to coding it into the graphical installer yet, I'd imagine
[02:43] <eeos> hi abattoir
[02:43] <ejder_> i didnt know about framerate, i just need my second display to be accessible
[02:43] <abattoir> eeos: hi
[02:43] <Sa_aD> i want to make the font size biger in IRC clint :$ 
[02:43] <eeos> how are you?
[02:43] <Jucato> abattoir's customer... :)
[02:43] <ejder_> and on system configuration, no way to configure it
[02:43] <aes52> lupine_85 couldn't I just create the logical volume in a terminal with the LIVECD then install onto the logical volume ?
[02:43] <onkeltuca> actually nvidia has good support http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html
[02:43] <abattoir> eeos: i havent received your payment... shall i charge your paypal account?
[02:44] <abattoir> eeos: :P
[02:44] <ejder_> tx for links onkeltuca
[02:44] <lupine_85> aes52: you might be able to
[02:44] <eeos> abattoir :P
[02:44] <abattoir> eeos: i'm fine... how about you?
[02:44] <lupine_85> I've never tried it, so can't say for sure
[02:44] <eeos> abattoir Had a good weekend
[02:44] <abattoir> eeos: that's nice :)
[02:44] <ejder_> i'm lookin at it right now
[02:44] <aes52> did you use the alternate cd lupine_85?
[02:44] <lupine_85> as long as they show up as "normal" partitions, I'd imagine it'd be fine
[02:44] <_philipp> font-size: in the konversation menu: settings=>configure=> fonts=> choose
[02:44] <lupine_85> yep :)
[02:44] <aes52> how did you find it?
[02:44] <eeos> abattoir (centre of italy here)
[02:44] <lupine_85> easy
[02:45] <aes52> is there any documentation for it anywhere?
[02:45] <lupine_85> it's an ncurses interface, so not as pretty, but you get much more control if you need it
[02:45] <lupine_85> aes52: on the wiki I think
[02:45] <aes52> ok thanks lupine_85
[02:45] <lupine_85> you don't really need it though - it's mostly self-explnatory
[02:45] <onkeltuca> no worries
[02:45] <aes52> do you use kubuntu lupine_85?
[02:46] <Sa_aD> Hey !
[02:46] <eeos> abattoir I am trying to upgrade my chroot to edgy eft
[02:46] <aes52> presumably there exists a 'kubuntu alternate cd' too
[02:46] <lupine_85> yes
[02:46] <abattoir> eeos: your 32-bit one?
[02:46] <Sa_aD> i asked a question is it hard to answer :(
[02:46] <eeos> abattoir do you think i will be able to run all last packages inside a chroot?
[02:46] <eeos> abattoir yes
[02:46] <lupine_85> !patience
[02:46] <ubotu> The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[02:46] <aes52> which irc client Sa_aD?
[02:47] <abattoir> eeos: yes, i think you should be able to... cant think of reason why not
[02:47] <Sa_aD> Konversation
[02:47] <eeos> abattoir i'd like to try also kde 4
[02:47] <lupine_85> ...Settings, maybe...
[02:47] <der0b> Hey folks, is there some way to remove the KDE GTK theme config section in kcontrol?
[02:47] <aes52> type into google: font increase + Konversation ???
[02:47] <abattoir> eeos: sure, if you really *need* it, why not?
[02:47] <lupine_85> it's a pretty self-explantary UI, TBH
[02:48] <lupine_85> erm -a+o
[02:48] <eeos> abattoir don't need it just curious
[02:48] <_philipp> Sa_aD: I ALREADY ANSWERED
[02:48] <abattoir> eeos: well, it looks exactly like the current 3.x releases...
[02:48] <aes52> lupine_85 how do you find kde over gnome?
[02:48] <lupine_85> nicer on the eyes
[02:48] <_philipp> Sa_aD look above
[02:48] <abattoir> eeos: and is highly unstable
[02:48] <aes52> what browser do you use?
[02:49] <lupine_85> firefox mostly :)
[02:49] <_philipp> #if you dont have a menu press ctrl+m
[02:49] <lupine_85> Konq. is OK
[02:49] <eeos> abattoir have you had a go at it?
[02:49] <abattoir> eeos: nope, dont need it for now
[02:49] <tyler_d> ok, I'm not the brightest of sorts but I have installed the k7 package and with the xorg-driver-x... my frame rate is ruined? anyone know or have any ideas??
[02:49] <eeos> abattoir i thought they were goign to change the menu substantially
[02:50] <abattoir> eeos: yes, the work is just getting started :)
[02:50] <lupine_85> tyler_d: if you change your kernel, you need to install the appropriate linux-restricted-drivers
[02:50] <eeos> abattoir ah!
[02:50] <abattoir> eeos: there are still atleast 5~6 months before the release
[02:50] <lupine_85> presumably, you're using a binary driver for nVidia/ATi?
[02:50] <eeos> abattoir btw, i have not been able to solve the problem with kaffeine
[02:50] <tyler_d>  lupine_85: thats with teh appropriate driver
[02:51] <eeos> abattoir i would like to participate into the testing phase of the new release
[02:51] <abattoir> eeos: ah, i thought you said it worked afterwards.... or was it someone else?
[02:51] <eeos> abattoir as developer i ma real crap
[02:51] <sui> hi all together
[02:51] <eeos> abattoir s/ma/am
[02:51] <abattoir> eeos: that's nice, you could install edgy, and report bugs to LP
[02:51] <eeos> abattoir yes i am going to do a bit of it
[02:51] <abattoir> eeos: also hanging out at #kubuntu-devel might be a good idea
[02:52] <eeos> abattoir did not know about it
[02:52] <eeos> abattoir just entered the room
[02:52] <abattoir> yes, i noticed :)
[02:52] <scanwinder> the computer is still running slow, installing nvidia drivers didnt seem to help much
[02:53] <eeos> abattoir updating to edgy eft now, i will et you know
[02:53] <abattoir> eeos: ok :)
[02:53] <Sa_aD> ????
[02:53] <eeos> abattoir goign to close konversatio so that i have a bit more bandwith
[02:53] <eeos> abattoir see you later
[02:53] <scanwinder> anyone got any ideas? a new kubuntu installation on a fast computer but, its running fairly slow, apps are taking forever to open and such
[02:53] <abattoir> eeos: ok
[02:55] <Raul12> increase swap space scan
[02:56] <Raul12> whats ur ram
[02:56] <scanwinder> 512Mb
[02:57] <scanwinder> actually i just noticed its saying the clock speed is 1004mhz, which is way wrong, its a athlon 64 3600+ X2 processor:P
[02:57] <scanwinder> ill go look in bios
[02:57] <steini> scanwinder: I've 512MB too....it's not the best to run KDE with a lot of apps...but it's fast enough
[02:57] <scanwinder> its a new system i think maybe i need to look in the bios and see why the clock speed sucks
[02:58] <scanwinder> bye - ill be back if its not that
[02:59] <sui> steini: 512 MB is enough for newer KDE-versions
[02:59] <ubuntu_> ciao ce qualcuno che puo aiutarmi?
[02:59] <ubuntu_> vi prego
[03:00] <onkeltuca> how to add other sessintypes to KDM
[03:00] <onkeltuca> ?
[03:00] <onkeltuca> i installed fluxbox
[03:01] <ubuntu_> AIUTO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[03:01] <steini> sui: yes...of course :)
[03:02] <steini> sui: but it uses a lot of swap too :)
[03:02] <sui> steini: my system uses 106/512 RAM and no swap
[03:02] <michaelvs> Si ubuntu_, io forse posso aiuto.
[03:03] <michaelvs> Che cose tua problema?
[03:03] <steini> sui: hehe then you've a lucky person *g
[03:04] <sui> steini: no, just using mpd for listening music and connectin via ssh on a server to chat ;)
[03:05] <steini> sui: hehe but the you don't need KDE....with OpenBox and a lot of xterms the memory usage will not go over ~64MB *g
[03:06] <sui> steini: sure, but i like kde much more than openbox. i love K-apps like konqueror, kile, kontact, gwenview, kaudiocreator....
[03:07] <steini> sui: konqueror is the real KDE killer-App...like Emacs....konqueror can do anything :p
[03:08] <sui> steini: yes, and with all those kio-slaves it rocks
[03:09] <steini> btw. why is the sysinfo:/ salve missing in Kubuntu?
[03:12] <Jucato> steini: it's something from SUSE only... but it's been suggested to be packaged in Debian, so we will probably have that soon...
[03:13] <steini> Jucato: well I've seen that sysinfo:/ stuff on a laptop on our local LUG...I'm not sure if that was a Suse...probaly :)
[03:14] <sui> !kde
[03:14] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the K Desktop Environment. To install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE for other ways to get KDE
[03:14] <sui> is there a howto, how to upgrade to kde-3.5.4
[03:15] <sui> ?
[03:15] <Jucato> sui: yes there is
[03:16] <sui> Jucato: do you have a link for me? (yes, i can look for myself)
[03:16] <Jucato> but unless you're prepared to work around some minor annoyances... I'd recommend staying with KDE 3.5.3
[03:16] <sui> Jucato: with 6.06 kde 3.5.2 is shipped
[03:17] <Jucato> sui: yes. and both KDE 3.5.3 and 3.5.4 were made available later after that
[03:17] <Jucato> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-354.php <--- for KDE 3.5.4
[03:17] <sui> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-354.php
[03:18] <sui> sry... mauspointer was over the wrong window :)
[03:18] <Jucato> :)
[03:18] <Jucato> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-353.php <--- for 3.5.3
[03:18] <Jucato> again, I'd recommend going with KDE 3.5.3 in the meantime...
[03:18] <sui> Jucato: why?
[03:19] <steini> sui: hehe....denglish is cool :p
[03:19] <sui> 3.5.4 ist stable isn't it?
[03:19] <Jucato> sui: KDE 3.5.4 on Dapper has a few... um... annoying bugs. still usable
[03:19] <sui> s/ist/is/
[03:19] <dimsuz> Jucato: what are they?
[03:20] <Jucato> 1) KPersonalizer starting up every time you login
[03:20] <dimsuz> Jucato: hm. not a case here :)
[03:20] <Jucato> 2) System Settings crashes if you go to the Command Shortcuts tab in Keyboard shortcuts
[03:21] <dimsuz> 2) didn't check :)
[03:21] <Jucato> dimsuz: most of the time, KPersonalizer gets installed during the update to KDE 3.5.4.  if it didn't, then you're lucky
[03:21] <sui> Jucato: hm, with my thinkpad i have some annoying bugs with kmix at startup
[03:21] <Jucato> sui: probably not related to KDE 3.5.4?
[03:21] <dimsuz> Jucato: it seems it didn't :)
[03:22] <Jucato> 3) some problems with HAL (sometimes)
[03:22] <dimsuz> Jucato: 3) definetly :)
[03:22] <Jucato> 4) settings for Power Savings always reverts to "enabled" and "30 minutes:
[03:22] <sui> Jucato: using mpd volume raises to maximum when kde starts. after pressing the volume-button of my thinkpad volume lowers zu 0%
[03:22] <dimsuz> I'd s/sometimes/almost always/
[03:22] <eeos> hi there. i need to compare 2 directories on my local computer, see what are the differences and then upgrade one of the 2 directories so that it mirrors the other
[03:22] <eeos> anyone with a clue?
[03:23] <Jucato> dimsuz: I had to say sometimes because, like KPersonalizer, some people didn't have problems with it
[03:23] <pitreo> ciao
[03:24] <dhq> hey there
[03:24] <dhq> i get this error cannont connect to xserver what do i do
[03:24] <dimsuz> dhq: do "xhost +"
[03:24] <dimsuz> as a user
[03:25] <ketsugi> After adding a filetype handler, I've been getting this error from some KDE apps (Konqueror and Kate, so far): "Could not find mime type: application/octet-stream"
[03:25] <ketsugi> Any idea how I can rectify this?
[03:25] <dhq> dimsuz: access control disabled, clients can connect from any host
[03:26] <dimsuz> dhq: yes. now try to launch the app that caused an error again
[03:26] <dhq> when i start kdm i get the error
[03:26] <dhq> dimsuz:  when i start kdm i get the error
[03:29] <dhq> dimsuz:  when i start kdm i get the error
[03:31] <sui> << away, learning
[03:35] <dhq> i get this error cannont connect to xserver what do i do
[03:37] <timy> does anyone could tell me, which distro is faster: ubuntu or debian? (for desktop machine)
[03:42] <michaelvs> timy: I think the answer to your question is more a matter of which one is slimmed down.  If you want your sytem to be faster, scale back what you run.
[03:42] <michaelvs> You can do that with either ubunto or debian.
[03:44] <sebdraven> reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[03:47] <timy> ok, thx
[03:51] <Stardog_> is it common that kubuntu is unstable when it comes to network?
[03:51] <michaelvs> stardog: no.  It should be fine.
[03:51] <kompressor> No kubuntu is quite stable when it comes to network
[03:51] <michaelvs> Do you mean it crashes on the network?
[03:51] <|lostbyte|> Stardog_, No problems here..
[03:52] <Stardog_> michaelvs: I mean that i have to reboot my computer at least 5 times before i can get a stable line surfing on the net... while my XPbox works fine :/ what can possible by the error?
[03:52] <kompressor> Which version of kubuntu are you using?
[03:53] <Stardog_> kompressor: dapper
[03:53] <michaelvs> stardog, that certainly isn't typical.  If you're used to unix/linux I would suggest you try everything first without running X, to see if that is your problem.
[03:54] <Stardog_> michaelvs: do you know of a command in terminal to reinstall x?
[03:55] <KaiHanari> Stardog_, are you looking to rebuild the config file or completely reinstall?
[03:56] <Stardog_> if its possible... a complete reinstall without loosing anything personal.... Im asking 'cause my knowledge of this is limited :)
[03:56] <michaelvs> It sounds to me like that solution might be more technical than you want to pursue.  Instead of reinstalling X I would suggest booting without running X.  However it is one of those things where if you have to ask, it is probably more difficult than you want to do.
[03:56] <michaelvs> Are you on ethernet or wireless?
[03:56] <Stardog_> ethernet
[03:57] <KaiHanari> Stardog_, sudo apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xorg
[03:57] <michaelvs> stardog, laptop or desktop?
[03:57] <Stardog_> desktop
[03:57] <sui> wth, kmail uses nearly 100% cpu-time
[03:57] <KaiHanari> then sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:57] <ninHer> hi all
[03:57] <michaelvs> stardog, and your ocmputer just hangs, or does it just not access the network nicely?
[03:58] <BluesKaj> howdy all
[03:58] <Stardog_> michaelvs: the last alternative.....
[03:59] <michaelvs> OK, that clears things up quite a bit: so your computer runs, but it isn't accessing the network properly.  chances are that the problem relates to incorrectly configured network settings.
[03:59] <rod> Hi, I have kubuntu installed on my shiney new LG xnote laptop, but can't get the laptops speaker working...  when I try mpg321 i get sound via the headphone jack, but nothing on the laptop speakers.  I've checked the alsamixer levels and they seem fine, any ideas?
[03:59] <rod> thanks
[04:00] <michaelvs> Do you use dhcp (does the computer get settings automatically) or have you set your network up manually?
[04:00] <highneko> !mplayer
[04:00] <ubotu> mplayer is a media player. Enable multiverse repo and type sudo apt-get install mplayer for more info please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer  To compile it from source see:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer/Compile  Also see !codecs
[04:00] <ubotu> For Codecs try !codecs Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MplayerInstallHowto for installation tips.
[04:00] <sui> how can i tell kmail it shall only look into folder /Mail, not my home $HOME?
[04:01] <sui> ... on an imapserver
[04:01] <Stardog_> michaelvs:  uhm... haven't been touching those configurings at all... and it worked fine in the beginning... its lately that this has been buggy
[04:01] <BluesKaj> rod , it check the digital sound setting in the mixer , try it on then off depending on the souncard
[04:02] <p0w4h> Why isn't aMSN in Adept Manager??
[04:02] <lupine_85> because it's nowhere near as good as Kopete? ;)
[04:03] <p0w4h> bukakke :)
[04:03] <lupine_85> only german
[04:03] <p0w4h> let's give it a try
[04:03] <BluesKaj> p0w4h, there's a tarball (tar.gz) aMSN
[04:03] <rod> BluesKaj, which one is the digital sound setting?  And do u mean just mute it?
[04:03] <p0w4h> not in adept :(
[04:04] <BluesKaj> no mute , rod
[04:05] <BluesKaj> rod, look in switches tab
[04:05] <michaelvs> stardog, I would suggest that you revisit your network settings.  from the menu, System, Admin, Network.  Deactivate and reactivate your settings to see if improves things.  If you aren't on DHCP then confirm your name server hasn't changed.  If what I've described doesn't make sense, let me know and I'll try to make it more clear and give some additional background.
[04:06] <rod> BluesKaj, the switches tab? I'm just using the alsamixer console app, how do I access this?
[04:07] <Stardog_> michaelvs: ill try that
[04:08] <BluesKaj> rod, click on the speaker icon, you'll see the mixer button , click onit
[04:10] <Blaat> hi, i have this fat partition wich i cant seem to write to as a normal user, it is configured in fstab as rw,user,auto. what am i doing wrong?
[04:11] <ubu> hallo
[04:11] <Blaat> hi
[04:11] <Jucato> can anyone confirm if the problem with connecting to MSN is just with Kopete or with MSN itself?
[04:11] <lupine_85> Blaat: try setting uid=(your uid) in the fstab
[04:12] <Blaat> uid is just my username?
[04:12] <BluesKaj> Kopete sucks!
[04:12] <Blaat> (sorry, im linux noob :P)
[04:12] <Jucato> BluesKaj: I didn't ask whether it sux or not. thank you
[04:12] <Jucato> oh I forgot to say: :P
[04:13] <BluesKaj> Jucato, just funnin ya, i had a tuff time with kopete , soit sucks for me :)
[04:13] <Stardog_> michaelvs: thanks for advice... uhm... turned it on and of... Im on dhcp but i guess i have to wait and see for next boot, or some other day if its still buddy :p
[04:13] <arejaytee> same thing here Jucato
[04:13] <michaelvs> stardog, the change should be immediate.  You shouldn't ahve to wait for the next boot.
[04:14] <Jucato> I wonder if people using aMSN or using MSN Messenger on Windows are having the same problem...
[04:14] <Blaat> aMSN works fine for me, it can connect to msn like normally on windows...
[04:14] <BluesKaj> i managed to get aMSN to work after 2 or 3 tries
[04:14] <Jucato> lupine_85: I was connected to, until I restarted...
[04:14] <lupine_85> Kopete 0.11.1 on KDE 3.5.2
[04:15] <Stardog_> michaelvs: uhm... its working fine now actually...
[04:15] <Jucato> hmm....
[04:15] <michaelvs> stardog, especially if you're on dhcp, the next step is to make sure that you got an address right.  The technique for doing this is almost the same as what you would do in XP, if that is what you're more familiar with.  You open a command line prompt, and type 'sudo ifconfig'.  You can then see if you got an address ok.  (I'm sure there is a more gui way to do that but I'm not sure.)
[04:16] <michaelvs> stardog, just saw your last message.  I would guess tha the adapter configuration has somehow changed.  Do you know how to confirm that the adapter is set to automatically come up during the boot?
[04:16] <Stardog_> michaelvs: uhm... no :p
[04:17] <sui> okay guys, thanks for your help, but kubuntu is not my distribution i prefer to use :)
[04:17] <Jucato> ...
[04:17] <sui> see you in #gentoo :)
[04:17] <Stardog_> loll
[04:18] <lupine_85> erm, MSN, rather :p
[04:18] <Jucato> hm.. probably a new Kopete version problem...
[04:19] <Jucato> anyone on Kopete 0.12.2?
[04:20] <BluesKaj> one can install aMSN with the right repositories, http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[04:21] <Stardog_> !cups
[04:21] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[04:22] <michaelvs> stardog, if you look at your network settings again, look at the settings for your ethernet adaptor.  In it there should be something about bringing the interface up at book time.  I'm at work right now and can't check for myself on my hope box because I've got a resource hog app running on it right now (windows in vmware, ironically)
[04:24] <sui> BYE
[04:24] <sui> sry, caps ;)
[04:25] <StR> Hi all
[04:25] <StR> anyone having problems connecting to MSN?
[04:25] <surfacing> hello
[04:27] <surfacing> I've extracted Superkaramba.tar.gz and now i've to config and install it, but when i type ./configure && make && make install there comes an error message: "checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables"
[04:28] <kilrae> sudo?
[04:28] <arejaytee> whats the widget bar called in kde?
[04:28] <kilrae> why not just install with adept?
[04:28] <arejaytee> for quick launch or whatever like macs
[04:28] <kilrae> a panel?
[04:29] <kilrae> or do you mean a mac dock clone?
[04:29] <arejaytee> yeah
[04:29] <Jucato> kxdocker
[04:29] <kilrae> there are also superkaramba ones as well
[04:29] <kilrae> i had horrible luck with kxdocker the last time i tried it
[04:30] <kilrae> of course karamba hogs your system too
[04:30] <surfacing> is there anybody who is able to help me?
[04:30] <Bazzi> surfacing: install the build-essential package
[04:30] <Jucato> surfacing: you can install superkaramba from the repositories
[04:30] <Jucato> no need to compile
[04:31] <surfacing> repositories? where can i find it?
[04:31] <lupine_85> !superkaramba
[04:31] <ubotu> superkaramba is an application that gives you interactive eye-candy on your desktop. To get themes for it, head over to http://kde-look.org
[04:31] <arejaytee> hrmm currently using conky, might give superkaramba a try also
[04:31] <lupine_85> !info superkaramba
[04:31] <Jucato> surfacing: using Adept. it's in the universe repos
[04:31] <ubotu> superkaramba: a program based on karamba improving the eyecandy of KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu8 (dapper), package size 504 kB, installed size 1376 kB
[04:32] <Jucato> surfacing: to enable the universe repository, follow this guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[04:32] <surfacing> k i'll try it
[04:33] <BluesKaj> StR, I just installed aMSN in 2 mins ...are you having probs connecting ?
[04:33] <kilrae> je suis is connected to msn
[04:34] <StR> BluesKaj: yes.. connecting
[04:34] <StR> BluesKaj: it worked ok, 2 days ago
[04:35] <realpower2107> hallo!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[04:35] <BluesKaj> it balked at connecting for me too , but then it worked, StR
[04:35] <realpower2107> any germans here????
[04:35] <BluesKaj> !de
[04:35] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[04:36] <ziza> what tool should i use to configure my start-up scripts?
[04:38] <llxcamxll> ok, is it normal to be having issues playing dvd's?
[04:38] <eeos> back
[04:39] <Stardog_> !no
[04:39] <ubotu> Hvis du vil diskutere Ubuntu paa norsk, venligst gaa til #ubuntu-no. Takk!
[04:39] <BluesKaj> yeah llxcamxll , unless you have the codec pkg ...it's available seperately at the automatix site, but be careful
[04:40] <llxcamxll> hmm, why that?
[04:40] <BluesKaj> due to licencing copyrights etc , the commercial dvds won't play without the codec pkg
[04:41] <llxcamxll> ahh ok
[04:42] <BluesKaj> I'd google for codec pkgs on ubuntu , maybe there 's anew repository the has them
[04:44] <trappist> llxcamxll: sudo sh /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh
[04:45] <trappist> BluesKaj: it's not a codec.  commercial dvds are encrypted.
[04:46] <BluesKaj> sorry about the confusion , but if he finds the right pkgs the encryption will be defeated , they came with a codec pkg in my experience
[04:47] <trappist> he needs libdvdcss - the easiest way to install it is to run sudo sh /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh
[04:48] <BluesKaj> thx trappist, now i remember :
[04:49] <BluesKaj> ):)
[04:49] <BluesKaj> old guy with bad selective memory
[04:50] <Jucato> sounds like one of my hard drives...
[04:50] <lupine_85> 4.3GB!
[04:51] <lupine_85> (have a 2.5GB which works, but I'm not using it)
[04:53] <lupine_85> Jucato: Only the EL
[04:53] <lupine_85> the ST is less resistant to high-humidity environments ;)
[04:53] <Jucato> :D
[04:53] <chrismir> woohoo.. welcome a gentoo->kubuntu convert. I finally got kubuntu installed and I'm happy with it (sofar ;-) )
[04:53] <nomi> hi all
[04:53] <Jucato> how ironic... someone just left Kubuntu for Gentoo a while ago... :)
[04:53] <Jucato> welcome chrismir! :D
[04:54] <chrismir> I bet that happens all the time
[04:54] <chrismir> thx!
[04:57] <redubuntu> alguien m puede ayudar al montaje de un segundo disco duro con el ubuntu 6.0.6
[04:57] <magical_trevsky> !es
[04:57] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[05:00] <milco> !compile
[05:00] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[05:01] <milco> how do i apt-get the kernel source for 6.06?
[05:02] <Jucato> milco: make sure that you have the "deb-src" repositories enabled (usually dapper and dapper-security)
[05:03] <milco> i have those enabled, but what are the package names?
[05:03] <Jucato> milco: then make a directory (because it will download in the current directory) and cd into it. then "apt-get source <package_name>"
[05:03] <milco> i only see kernel 2.4 stuff
[05:04] <Jucato> milco: if i'm not mistaken, it's linux-image-$(uname -r)
[05:04] <lupine_85> not linux-image-`uname -r` then? ;)
[05:04] <Jucato> lupine_85: heh.. the same thing
[05:04] <milco> =)
[05:04] <lupine_85> yep :)
[05:05] <milco> that makes sense guys
[05:05] <lupine_85> but mine is 1 character shorter ;)
[05:05] <Jucato> I just think that ` can be easily misread as '
[05:05] <lupine_85> true
[05:05] <Jucato> :p
[05:05] <milco> yeah, people use single quotes a lot when backquotes should be ...
[05:05] <Jucato> because not many people are used to using backquotes at all...
[05:06] <lupine_85> they`re so handy :)
[05:06] <milco> are they're? :P
[05:06] <lupine_85> cafe` ?
[05:06] <Jucato> and?
[05:07] <lupine_85> (alright, somewhat pointless with utf-8 and decent keyboards, I guess ;) )
[05:07] <Jucato> :)
[05:07] <lupine_85> personal_preferences++
[05:07] <Ashanty_Granpa> hello, good morning guys
[05:08] <JohnFlux> I just setup a printer
[05:08] <Jucato> hi
[05:08] <JohnFlux> but I can't see it in open office
[05:08] <JohnFlux> what could be the reason for that?
[05:08] <JohnFlux> it's setup in cups
[05:09] <lupine_85> JohnFlux: I believe you need to restart OpenOffice to get it to see any new printers
[05:11] <scanwinder> i was on earlier about my computer running slow in kubuntu(fresh install). someone suggested installing graphics card drivers which i have now done and, its still really slow at launching applications and stuff, anyone have any ideas? in kinfocenter, i notice it says the cpu clock speed is 1004mhz. My processor is a Athlon 64 3600+ X2, its clock speed should be around 2Ghz
[05:12] <JohnFlux> lupine_85: sweet
[05:12] <JohnFlux> it worked :-)
[05:14] <Dr_Willis> scanwinder,  perhaps the power saving stuff is enabled so its throttled back the cpu.
[05:14] <BluesKaj> scanwinder, I 'm running the Athlon 3200+ and have no speed probs
[05:14] <scanwinder> how do i disable the power saving stuff?
[05:14] <scanwinder> i cant find any such options in the bios
[05:14] <scanwinder> could it be a jumper or something?
[05:15] <BluesKaj> the apps in kubuntu are slower at launching than windows , trhere's no doubt about that
[05:15] <Jucato> really?
[05:15] <scanwinder> i just find it interesting that in kinfocenter it says the processor clock speed is 1004Mhz
[05:15] <BluesKaj> yup, on my machine , especially stuff that requires pws
[05:15] <scanwinder> does power saving cut back the clock speed?
[05:15] <Sikon> I installed GIMP on Kubuntu 6.06 and every time I try to quit it, it hangs and the toolbox window goes grey
[05:16] <Jucato> BluesKaj: pws = passwords?
[05:16] <BluesKaj> yup
[05:16] <BluesKaj> synaptic and adept and kate
[05:16] <LeeJunFan> BluesKaj: I've experienced neither of those problems in years of running kubuntu - not to say it's not happening, but I can't imagine why.
[05:16] <Dr_Willis> Sikon,  you sure you are  not just closing the IMAGE window. and then need to clolse the toolbox window?  can you still get to  the toolbox menu items?
[05:16] <Jucato> BluesKaj: well, probably the reason is that those apps have to use kdesu first rather than launching directly
[05:17] <Sikon> Dr_Willis> I close the image window first, then try to close the toolbox window and it hangs
[05:17] <LeeJunFan> yeah, but they should launch as fast as normal after the password has been entered.
[05:17] <milco> anyone ever install ivtv on kubuntu?
[05:17] <BluesKaj> LeeJunFan, the lil icon seems to take forever sometimes,  lauch the prog
[05:17] <redubuntu> espaol
[05:17] <Jucato> BluesKaj: notice the difference between launching normal kate and kdesu kate
[05:17] <Jucato> !es
[05:17] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[05:17] <Dr_Willis> Sikon,  odd.. its working fine for me here. Hmm
[05:17] <milco> 'make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.15-26-386/build: Onbekend bestand of map.  Gestopt'
[05:17] <BluesKaj> normal katev ?
[05:18] <milco> make says that it cannot find the folder build... -gestop=stop
[05:18] <Dr_Willis> Sikon,  try closing the toolbox window first? try runnin git from a shell. see if any error messages show up
[05:18] <lupine_85> scanwinder: that's power management stuff
[05:18] <Sikon> git?
[05:18] <Dr_Willis> running IT
[05:18] <Jucato> BluesKaj: yes.. try launching Kate normally, and compare it with launching Kate with kdesu. launching kate normally is definitely faster
[05:18] <scanwinder> lupine_85: in the operating system or bios?
[05:18] <Sikon> hmm, weird - if I open and immediately close it, it closes fine
[05:18] <lupine_85> milco: sudo apt-get install linux-header-`uname -r`
[05:19] <lupine_85> scanwinder: in the OS
[05:19] <lupine_85> when not under heavy load, it slows the CPU down
[05:19] <scanwinder> where do i get into power management in kubuntu?
[05:19] <lupine_85> good for laptops
[05:19] <lupine_85> now that I don't know :(
[05:19] <lupine_85> the feature is called frequency scaling - maybe google can help
[05:20] <BluesKaj> yeah , from the kicker , it's much faster
[05:20] <Jucato> scanwinder: in System Settings try to look for Power Management (you can try typing it in the search bar)
[05:20] <Sikon> however
[05:20] <Sikon> if I close the layers window and then the toolbox window, it does hang
[05:20] <Jucato> BluesKaj: because the app is launched directly. running that app with kdesu is different, so it's slower
[05:21] <Sikon> always
[05:21] <Sikon> actually, it hangs regardless of whether I try to close the toolbox window
[05:22] <Sikon> it outputs this on the console when I close the layers window:
[05:22] <Sikon> *** glibc detected *** corrupted double-linked list: 0xb7796358 ***
[05:22] <Sikon> gimp-2.2: terminated: Aborted
[05:22] <milco> lupine_85: cheers m8, i was in the right direction huh? :)
[05:22] <lupine_85> close :)
[05:24] <BluesKaj> no editing priveleges in kate without using kdesu tho , Jucato
[05:24] <mrj> hrllo
[05:24] <mrj> hello
[05:24] <mrj> how are u people :)
[05:24] <BluesKaj> hi mrj
[05:24] <Jucato> BluesKaj: no root editing priviliges. but Kate isn't only used for editing root stuff :)
[05:24] <scanwinder> ok ive got frequency scaling off now, things are a bit faster but they're still not instant, ive seen windows systems with slower hardware do stuff quicker
[05:25] <scanwinder> any have any other ideas?
[05:25] <mrj> i have an question here
[05:25] <scanwinder> ubuntu/kubuntu's supposed to be fairly fast - well not compared to like gentoo
[05:25] <BluesKaj> i use it mainly to edit the repositories, cuz that's about all i know hoew to do in kate :) , Jucato
[05:25] <mrj> so my wireless card is Broadcom BC4310 and i have managet to get it work on kubuntu, but the speet is.... hm it is below 30 Kb/s
[05:26] <Dr_Willis> I never found gentoo to be noticeably faster then ubuntu
[05:26] <Jucato> BluesKaj: ehehe. :)
[05:26] <scanwinder> im finding it right now:P
[05:26] <Dr_Willis> You could install the 686 kernel , or perhaps some other more specific to your hardware kenrel
[05:26] <scanwinder> there's an idea..i might try that
[05:26] <dutchie> hi chaps .... could someone give me a source to a recent kopete update ?
[05:26] <scanwinder> i would still expect it to run faster than it is without that tho
[05:27] <Dr_Willis> benchmark it.. prove it.. :) verify it..
[05:27] <dutchie> someone gave me the link a few days ago but I stupidly lost the URL
[05:27] <Dr_Willis> file a bug.
[05:27] <Sikon> on a fresh copy of Ubuntu 6.06.1 running under VMware, the layers window isn't even open by default, and when I do open and close it, I have no problem closing GIMP
[05:27] <mrj> could someone give me a tip
[05:27] <scanwinder> what benchmark app should i use?
[05:27] <mrj> tipp :)
[05:27] <mrj> why is my wireless so slow
[05:28] <mrj> it is supposed to be IEEE 802.11 bg
[05:28] <mrj> and should support 54 MB/s
[05:28] <gan|y|med> hi
[05:28] <mrj> as my router supports it too i can not understand why am i having a slow connection
[05:29] <MattyMatt> i've just rebooted with all my drives attached. is there a quick way to auto detect & populate fstab & mtab?
[05:29] <Sikon> there's one more problem: when I'm running Xgl, CPU-intensive operations slow down display operations
[05:29] <scanwinder> im using -amd64-k8 kernel, that should be right for athlon64 3600+ X2 yeah?
[05:30] <Dr_Willis> no clue :P
[05:30] <MattyMatt> scanwinder: yeah
[05:30] <Dr_Willis> Im too poor for fancy things like that
[05:30] <Dr_Willis> :)
[05:30] <Sikon> actually, AMD64 systems are pretty cheap
[05:30] <Dr_Willis> Im still paying off my last systems :P
[05:30] <Sikon> although if "X2" means dual-core, it's probably expensive
[05:31] <MattyMatt> core2 6300 isn't too pricey either.
[05:31] <Dr_Willis> I got a amd64 2.5 ghz box now
[05:31] <scanwinder> its not that pricy
[05:31] <BluesKaj> yup, paid 600cdn for my compaq-presario sr1734x
[05:31] <scanwinder> it cost like $150 AUD
[05:31] <Sikon> how much is this in USD?
[05:32] <Sikon> or euros
[05:32] <Dr_Willis> Pesos!
[05:32] <BluesKaj> what cdn ?
[05:32] <scanwinder> um like a little under $100
[05:32] <scanwinder> USD
[05:32] <BluesKaj> for the cpu ?
[05:32] <scanwinder> ya
[05:32] <BluesKaj> or for the whole box ?
[05:32] <BluesKaj> ok
[05:32] <Dr_Willis> seen those AMD 1750 cpus with a system for like $150 us. :P
[05:32] <Sikon> hmm, indeed, this is rather cheap for a CPU
[05:32] <Dr_Willis> but thats not much of a cpu.
[05:33] <Sikon> (I think)
[05:33] <MattyMatt> s939 x2 have been scarce lately
[05:33] <BluesKaj> 2ghz 64bit is a nice cpu ...works well
[05:33] <Sikon> I, for one, don't get that dual-core trend
[05:33] <BluesKaj> stays cool , no need for silly noisy fans
[05:33] <scanwinder> oh no its actually like $120
[05:33] <scanwinder> USD
[05:33] <Dr_Willis> actually linux at least makes good use of the extra cores and other  nice bits. :P
[05:34] <Dr_Willis> I wonder how well vmware supports the extra cores.. Id hope they use them to the fullest it can.
[05:34] <scanwinder> heh, the exchange rate used to be like half when converting to USD
[05:34] <MattyMatt> you need to enable SMD support in the kernel (no idea how)
[05:34] <Sikon> isn't it enabled in Ubuntu by default?
[05:34] <scanwinder> whats smd?
[05:34] <MattyMatt> nfi
[05:34] <BluesKaj> the kubuntu 64bit distro was a disappointment for me so I switched to the 32bit and it runs all programs nicely so far
[05:35] <Sikon> I didn't even try it
[05:35] <BluesKaj> don't bother Sikon
[05:35] <Sikon> I'm running the 32-bit edition on an Athlon 64 2800+
[05:35] <samuele_> Hi Everybody
[05:35] <samuele_> i'm italian
[05:35] <MattyMatt> SMP I meant. Symmetrical Multi Processor.  in other words support for dual core
[05:35] <Healot> it is dissapointing, only noobs can't work out 64-bit distros :)
[05:35] <BluesKaj> right Sikon, stick with that
[05:36] <scanwinder> anyway i must sleep now, gotta go2 school at 7:30 and its 11:30 at the moment
[05:36] <scanwinder> cya
[05:36] <Hawkwind> All you have to do is install an SMP kernel.  It's already built into it
[05:36] <Sikon> I know what SMP means, but isn't it enabled by default?
[05:36] <BluesKaj> some progs just won't run Healot
[05:36] <samuele_> i'm looking for someone who will help me with kubuntu...and excuse me for my english ehgehe
[05:36] <BluesKaj> noobs or not
[05:37] <Healot> there are always ways to work thing out
[05:37] <Sikon> I do use Windows XP x64 Edition, though, and I find it more reliable than the 32-bit one
[05:37] <allee> Hi, when adding amarok-stable from kubuntu.org to sources.list, aptitude complains: amarok: Depends: libvisual-0.4-0 (>= 0.4.0) which is a virtual package
[05:37] <v3ctor> !it
[05:37] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[05:37] <allee> and apt-get: libvisual-0.4-0 (>= 0.4.0) but it is not installable
[05:37] <samuele_> grazie ubotu
[05:37] <Healot> for people who aren't willing to learn, I can't say much to them
[05:37] <Sikon> !windows
[05:37] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. Also see http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 - !equivalents - http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm
[05:37] <Sikon> LOL
[05:37] <allee> what's the correct workaround to update amarok
[05:38] <Sikon> can't you just download the libvisual deb?
[05:38] <BluesKaj> Sikon, my pc came with 64bit edition
[05:38] <Sikon> bypassing APT
[05:38] <Healot> !amaraok
[05:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about amaraok - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:38] <Sikon> !amarok
[05:38] <ubotu> amarok is an audio player for Linux with an intuitive interface. The latest version is 1.4.3 and packages are available for Kubuntu at www.kubuntu.org
[05:38] <Healot> !amarok
[05:38] <Jucato> allee: do you have dapper-backports enabled?
[05:38] <Sikon> meh, I will never buy a computer that is shipped with Windows
[05:38] <BluesKaj> amarok 1.4.3 is stuck in dependency limbo !
[05:39] <allee> Jucato: no, just added kde-stable, koffice-stable, amarok-stalbe.  No problem with 1st two
[05:39] <Sikon> !xgl
[05:39] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[05:39] <Jucato> allee: you need dapper-backports enabled for Amarok 1.4.3. It's in the instructions for it on Kubuntu.org
[05:40] <BluesKaj> Sikon, ever heard of reformatting ? :)
[05:40] <allee> Jucato: oh, me hides in shame.
[05:40] <Sikon> I WILL NEVER GIVE A PENNY TO MICROSOFT
[05:40] <allee> Jucato: thx.
[05:40] <Jucato> allee: no need to. you got those repos from source-o-matic?
[05:40] <BluesKaj> yeah sure
[05:40] <Sikon> it isn't about reformatting, of course I delete preinstalled copies of Windows
[05:40] <Sikon> and "rescue" partitions
[05:41] <Sikon> and give away the keys to random people
[05:41] <gan|y|med> gimp users here (i have tried #gimp!) - could you help me out (we can meet in a chat, so that we do not pollute the channel)???
[05:41] <allee> Jucato: no.  Just looked what's new in kubuntu.org/packages
[05:41] <Jucato> ah.. :)
[05:41] <Sikon> gan|y|med> I use GIMP on Kubuntu
[05:41] <allee> Jucato: I had assumed that they are self contained
[05:41] <Jucato> allee: not for this release, though
[05:41] <BluesKaj> oh aren't we the dedicated clean linux purist eh , Sikon :)
[05:41] <Dr_Willis> Heh - checking out KDE 3.5.4 - on Suse 10, with vmware. :P
[05:42] <Sikon> no, I just use pirated Windows :)
[05:42] <Dr_Willis> vmware is nifty .
[05:42] <allee> Jucato: Are there plans to fix the deps?  Adding right libvisual to amarok-stable?
[05:42] <Jucato> Dr_Willis: SUSE is surprisingly fast on that VMWare image...
[05:42] <BluesKaj> don't we all , sooner or later ?
[05:42] <BluesKaj> bbiab , chores to do
[05:42] <gan|y|med> is the an ubuntu package for SeaMonkey?
[05:43] <gan|y|med> Sikon: yes, thx
[05:43] <Jucato> allee: probably not, since it's already in dapper-backports...
[05:43] <gan|y|med> Sikon:  have a layer, slightly devreased opacity, light yellow. over it is a transparent one with dask yellow, sprayed lines. i wanna blur this layer, but everytime i use gaussion blur the layer becomes extremely dark... why this?
[05:43] <gan|y|med> r
[05:43] <Sikon> aargh
[05:43] <Dr_Willis> Jucato,  yea.. i was suprized at that as well.. its.. well.. useable on this syttem!
[05:43] <DaSkreech> Sikon: Try VRMS? :)
[05:43] <gan|y|med> a
[05:43] <Jucato> :)
[05:43] <Dr_Willis> Jucato,  wonder how useable it would be if i did a real install.
[05:43] <Sikon> I'm not really an experienced GIMP users
[05:44] <Jucato> Dr_Willis: heh... I'm not sure... I don't have 5 CD's to spare just to find out :D
[05:44] <gan|y|med> anybody else???
[05:44] <Hawkwind> gan|y|med: Not that I am aware, no seamonkey for Kubuntu
[05:44] <Jucato> gan|y|med: AFAIK, no...
[05:44] <DaSkreech> gan|y|med: No Seamonkey. It's shameful it is
[05:44] <Hawkwind> Dr_Willis: Where did you get the SuSe 10.1 ISO ?
[05:44] <Jucato> Hawkwind: from one of the KDE devs
[05:44] <Sikon> gan|y|med> doesn't SeaMonkey have an official binary like Firefox does?
[05:44] <Dr_Willis> Hawkwind,  i got the vmware/kde/suse image off some web site.
[05:44] <Hawkwind> Dr_Willis: I'd like to try it to check out the new menu stuff
[05:44] <Dr_Willis> yea what Jucato  said. :P
[05:45] <gan|y|med> yes, just asking. you know - better stick to what is official
[05:45] <Hawkwind> Jucato: How can I obtain it ?
[05:45] <Jucato> Hawkwind: err.. SUSE 10.1, not 10.2
[05:45] <Dr_Willis> what new menu stuff? :P im just looking around and aint noticed much differance yet.
[05:45] <gan|y|med> and there might be automagic updates :)
[05:45] <Jucato> Hawkwind: the kickoff menu will be in 10.2
[05:45] <allee> Jucato: well, I not sure backports is a good idea,  but lemme try first.  See you on #kubuntu-devel ;)
[05:45] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Ah.....well how can I obtain the 10.1 ISO ?
[05:45] <Sikon> meh, I use the official Firefox and Thunderbird builds because they have those cool logos :)
[05:46] <Jucato> Hawkwind: ISO? that's 5 CD's (or 1 DVD)
[05:46] <lupine_85> Hawkwind: you need to sell your soul to the big pointy-horned dude first
[05:46] <lupine_85> OpenSuSE--
[05:46] <Jucato> Hawkwind: vmware image is from here: http://developer.kde.org/~binner/vmware/
[05:46] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Whatever I need to install it in vmware :P
[05:46] <dhq> hey all
[05:46] <DaSkreech> lupine_85: PHB?
[05:46] <DaSkreech> hi dhq
[05:46] <Dr_Willis> i got a vmware IMAGE file. :)     http://developer.kde.org/~binner/vmware/
[05:47] <Dr_Willis> dident have to isntall.
[05:47] <Jucato> allee: I think the reason libvisual is in dapper-backports because Amarok 1.4.2 is in dapper-backports, and the use the same version of libvisual, AFAIK
[05:47] <Sikon> I have VMWare workstation, if you need any image files, I can upload them somewhere
[05:47] <milco> i got a http://www.hellion.org.uk/public_key.asc i would like to add to my allow list of apt-get
[05:47] <milco> how can i do this?
[05:47] <dhq> thanx for all your help i got kubuntu runnung when it was all screwed and now working A ok  without a fresh install thankx to all and ofcourse to me
[05:47] <DaSkreech> dhq: Go me!!
[05:47] <Dr_Willis> i need to track down a windows95 vmware image.. easier then installing. the cd's i got.
[05:47] <DaSkreech> ;-)
[05:47] <Dr_Willis> lol
[05:48] <Hawkwind> lupine_85: Jucato: Thank you both for the link
[05:48] <dhq> DaSkreech: thanx :)
[05:48] <Jucato> Hawkwind: it was Dr_Willis who gave the other link :)
[05:48] <lupine_85> hmm. does the vmware player in the repos have kernel module sources?
[05:48] <allee> Jucato: thx for the info
[05:48] <dhq> Dr_Willis: Jucato :)
[05:48] <Dr_Willis> I installed the vmware server. :P and it had to compile the module
[05:48] <Healot> !build > Dr_Willis
[05:49] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Hah, so it was.  Thanks Dr_Willis
[05:49] <Jucato> Dr_Willis: yeah... then I ran into a message that I need to renew something in order to be able to make new VMWare images...
[05:49] <Dr_Willis> Healot,  since i allready got it isntalled.. :P  i knew how to build it.
[05:49] <Jucato> to this day, I  still don't know what happened... I just removed it...
[05:49] <Dr_Willis> Jucato,  the server lets you make images.. they want you to fill out some forms to get a serial #
[05:49] <Dr_Willis> not sure why they bother.
[05:50] <Jucato> Dr_Willis: but I did that the first time...
[05:54] <surfacing> Hi, where can i find the things which i've installed from adapt?
[05:55] <Sikon> depends
[05:55] <Sikon> what did you install?
[05:55] <Jucato> surfacing: what did you install?
[05:55] <Jucato> :)
[05:55] <surfacing> Firefox and Superkaramba
[05:55] <Sikon> Firefox is under "Internet" in the main menu
[05:55] <surfacing> nope -.-
[05:56] <dhq> during boot my dhcp server fails
[05:56] <Jucato> surfacing: in the K Menu. if programs you installed don't automatically appear in K Menu, enter this command in Konsole "kbuildsycoca --incremental" (ignore error messages)
[05:56] <Stardog_> just log in and out... and then the icon will apear there
[05:57] <dhq> sudo /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server restart                                  {failed}
[05:57] <lupine_85> bah. ./vmware-configure.pl: "The kernel defined by this directory of header files does not have the same address space size as your running kernel"
[05:57] <Stardog_> i dont know the kde version of kill all ...panel
[05:57] <Jucato> Stardog_: the command I gave was so that you won't have to do that
[05:57] <Jucato> Stardog_: "dcop kicker kicker restart" would be better instead of just killing it...
[05:57] <lupine_85> I remember having this issue the last time i installed vmware-player, and there was a patch to get it to compile... anyone know where it is?
[05:58] <surfacing> i try login/out see ya in a few minutes
[05:58] <Stardog_> Jucato: hehehe... haha... just used to gnome... :p
[05:58] <Jucato> :)
[05:58] <Sikon> surfacing> and SuperKaramba should be in Utilities
[05:58] <Jucato> sigh... he didn't even try what I said...
[05:59] <surfacing> ok firefox works
[05:59] <dhq> during boot my dhcp server fails
[05:59] <Jucato> surfacing: next time, you might want to try out the command I gave, so you wouldn't have to log out
[06:00] <draik> Jucato, I listen to you... but only when it's in english and it makes sense
[06:00] <surfacing> Jucato:  this one with the error message?
[06:00] <Stardog_> does anyone know of a "reinstall-command" for cups?
[06:00] <Jucato> surfacing: yes. the one that I told you to ignore the error messages
[06:00] <Stardog_> or the printer UI
[06:01] <Jucato> surfacing: "kbuildsycoca --incremental"
[06:03] <Sikon> hmm, SuperKaramba sounds fun
[06:03] <Sikon> except for one thing
[06:03] <Jucato> it is fun! :)
[06:03] <Sikon> Show Desktop hides all widgets
[06:03] <Jucato> Sikon: really? that doesn't happen with me...
[06:03] <highneko> I've never intalled a deb file before. How's this done?!
[06:04] <Sikon> well, I have Xgl
[06:04] <Jucato> aah
[06:04] <Sikon> and Compiz
[06:04] <draik> sudo dpkg -i filenme.deb
[06:04] <draik> highneko ^^
[06:04] <Vliegendehuiskat> anyone in here having trouble with amarok?
[06:05] <Kiruwa> I am :)
[06:05] <Jucato> Vliegendehuiskat: what kind of problem?
[06:05] <Vliegendehuiskat> well somethings seems to be breaking it
[06:05] <Vliegendehuiskat> in the pakage manager
[06:06] <Kiruwa> although I suspect you meant to ask "has nyone here solved a problem with amarok recently?" :)
[06:06] <Vliegendehuiskat> could be to?
[06:06] <Vliegendehuiskat> has there been an update or something?
[06:06] <Vliegendehuiskat> than I know I can get an older version
[06:06] <Jucato> Vliegendehuiskat: what are you trying to do with Amarok?
[06:06] <Vegeta^> Where or how can I disable systembip in KDE?
[06:06] <Vliegendehuiskat> installing it :p
[06:06] <Vliegendehuiskat> through adept
[06:06] <Jucato> Vliegendehuiskat: what version are you trying to install?
[06:06] <jess> 
[06:07] <Jucato> Vliegendehuiskat: btw, if you're using Kubuntu, it's already installed
[06:07] <Vliegendehuiskat> 2:1.4.3-0ubuntu1~dapper1
[06:07] <Vliegendehuiskat> yes i know
[06:07] <Vliegendehuiskat> but that update broke it
[06:07] <Kiruwa> I had to play with it to get mp3 support working...
[06:07] <Jucato> Vliegendehuiskat: you have to enable dapper-backports
[06:07] <Vliegendehuiskat> so i'm trying to reinstall
[06:07] <Stardog_> does anyone know of a "reinstall-command" for cups?
[06:07] <Vliegendehuiskat> are on
[06:07] <Kiruwa> (just worked, btw)
[06:08] <Kiruwa> woot... and amarok is correctly playing a random file out of my 38,000 track collection :)
[06:09] <Jucato> Vliegendehuiskat: hm.. that's strange indeed. at least, not normal...
[06:09] <Kiruwa> had to install libxine-extracodecs, amarok-engines, amarok-xine, and gstreamer0.8-mad (some combination of those worked) :)
[06:09] <lupine_85> found it: http://ftp.cvut.cz/vmware/vmware-any-any-update104.tar.gz
[06:09] <Jucato> Kiruwa: actually, only libxine-extracodecs was needed.
[06:10] <Healot__> :-
[06:11] <Vliegendehuiskat> hm
[06:11] <Vliegendehuiskat> dammn
[06:11] <Vliegendehuiskat> somehow my backports line in sources.list is fucked up
[06:11] <Jucato> Vliegendehuiskat: that could be the /root of the problem
[06:11] <Jucato> omg! did I just type /root???
[06:12] <Vliegendehuiskat> dunno
[06:12] <Vliegendehuiskat> trying it now
[06:12] <Kiruwa> lol
[06:12] <Jucato> :)
[06:12] <draik> This is the error I get when booting:   Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!
[06:12] <draik> anyone know what would cause that?
[06:12] <Vliegendehuiskat> but I don't get it that file can't be changed right out of the way
[06:13] <Jucato> Vliegendehuiskat: what can't be changed right out of the way?
[06:13] <Dr_Willis> its majorly confused draik  about somthing.
[06:13] <Vliegendehuiskat> it can't be changed
[06:13] <Dr_Willis> perhaps grub/kernel is looking for the wrong root, or initrd, or other files
[06:13] <draik> Dr_Willis, what should I be looking for?
[06:13] <Vliegendehuiskat> seems to got corrupted or something
[06:13] <Vliegendehuiskat> I can't read anything of it anymore
[06:13] <Healot__> draik: read us the line before that :-
[06:13] <Jucato> Vliegendehuiskat: what file can't be changed?
[06:13] <Stardog_> does anyone know of a "reinstall-command" for cups?
[06:13] <lupine_85> maybe try passing init=/sbin/init as a kernel parameter?
[06:13] <Stardog_> or the printer UI
[06:14] <Vliegendehuiskat> source.list can be changed
[06:14] <draik> Healot__ ok, one sec
[06:14] <Vliegendehuiskat> but it can't change on its own will
[06:14] <lupine_85> Stardog_: apt-get install --reinstall <appropriate-package> ?
[06:14] <Jucato> Vliegendehuiskat: of course it can't. It's a file owned by root.
[06:14] <Vliegendehuiskat> yup
[06:14] <Vliegendehuiskat> but it did go corrupt
[06:14] <draik> First off, I resized my partition from 20GB to 120GB
[06:15] <draik> Here is the issue I got...
[06:15] <Jucato> Vliegendehuiskat: did you use something like automatix or easyubuntu or source-o-matic?
[06:15] <lupine_85> :/
[06:15] <draik> mount: Mounting /proc on /root/proc failed: No such file or directory
[06:15] <mentro> Vliegendehuiskat, explain why you think you think your sources.list is corrupt
[06:15] <draik> usb 1-1: device not accepting address 2, error -71
[06:15] <draik> run-init: /sbin/init: error 2
[06:16] <giardino> hello. do someone remember the name of the prog that do effects on ubuntu..... like u move your desktop  in a 3d way... like a box and more things like that?
[06:16] <draik> Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!
[06:16] <draik> That's all the error
[06:16] <Vliegendehuiskat> mentro, because its all blur of text
[06:16] <Vliegendehuiskat> it makes no sense anymore
[06:16] <Vliegendehuiskat> thats why i think that is
[06:16] <Jucato> Vliegendehuiskat: can you pastebin the contents? (use pastebin)
[06:16] <Jucato> !pastebin
[06:16] <Dr_Willis> giardino,  you mean the XGL system thats being worked on?
[06:16] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[06:16] <lupine_85> !xgl > giardino
[06:17] <draik> Dr_Willis Healot That's my issue
[06:17] <mentro> Vliegendehuiskat, rebuild it then
[06:17] <Vliegendehuiskat> rebuilding it
[06:17] <Vliegendehuiskat> sorry to late for pastebin
[06:17] <Healot> how did you resize the partitions?
[06:17] <Vliegendehuiskat> but i know how that could've happend
[06:17] <Dr_Willis> mount: Mounting /proc on /root/proc failed: No such file or directory  ----- >its not finding where to put ' / '       or / is currupted
[06:17] <Vliegendehuiskat> my kate crashed shortly after pushing save on that file
[06:18] <draik> Dr_Willis's method... I deleted the partitions and then made it one huge partition
[06:18] <Jucato> Vliegendehuiskat: probably.
[06:18] <mentro> Vliegendehuiskat, maybe your editor left a sources.list~ file as backup, go check
[06:18] <draik> Dr_Willis, is there a way to fix /?
[06:18] <Vliegendehuiskat> yup it did :p
[06:18] <Dr_Willis> draik,  removing a partition will 'reorder' the drives from grubs point of view..  hd1,0 and hd1,1 just became hd1,0 (for example)
[06:18] <mentro> Vliegendehuiskat, there you go
[06:19] <Dr_Willis> boot a live cd.. fix the grub entry.. or use the 'e' to edit the grub line and put in the right place for / to be
[06:19] <draik> Dr_Willis, right. I kept it that way
[06:19] <draik> I kept the hda5 for swap and hda6 for /
[06:19] <Dr_Willis> if grub was looking for hd1,1 befor. its now wanting hd0,1
[06:19] <Dr_Willis> grub 'names' the drives differently then hda, hdb and so on.
[06:19] <draik> it will load GRUB
[06:20] <Dr_Willis> whatever partition it sees first becomes hd0
[06:20] <Dr_Willis> and ive learned my grub-fu the long hard way. :P with lots of reading
[06:21] <Dr_Willis> what does 'sudo fdisk -l'  show now?
[06:21] <Vliegendehuiskat> fixed
[06:21] <draik> fsck 1.38 (30-Jun-2005)
[06:22] <Dr_Willis> root            (hd1,0)
[06:22] <Dr_Willis> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-23-386 root=/dev/hdc1 ro nosplash nofb
[06:22] <Dr_Willis>  that root (hd1,0) (my example) may need to be changed.. and the root=/dev/whatever may also need to be changed.
[06:22] <Dr_Willis> You can change these on the fly from the GRUB boot menu 'hit e' to edit the lines
[06:23] <Vliegendehuiskat> thanx all i'm out again
[06:24] <draik> Dr_Willis, what should I be looking for in fdisk?
[06:25] <Healot> your soul, draik, hehe
[06:25] <draik> Healot :)  sold it long time ago
[06:25] <Dr_Willis> draik,  see where the drives are numbered at now
[06:25] <draik> I have 3 HDD
[06:25] <Dr_Willis> and then check the grub menus to be sure they are pointing to the right places
[06:26] <Dr_Willis> i got 6 hdd's on this box. :P
[06:26] <Dr_Willis> your point is? :P
[06:26] <mentro> i got 1 hd and a floppy
[06:26] <draik> Dr_Willis, I don't see any hd0, hd1, hd2 anywhere
[06:26] <Healot> you geek, Dr_Willis :)
[06:27] <Dr_Willis> draik,  ok.. rember this... GRUB 'enumerates/names/calls' the drives Totally differently then how Linux does.. you Must  understand the mapping. of what drive becomes what in grub.
[06:27] <Dr_Willis> THis is the core of your problem.
[06:27] <draik> ok
[06:27] <Dr_Willis> If you removed 'hdb' from linux box.. hd2 THEN becomes hd1
[06:27] <draik> so open /boot/grub/device.map ?
[06:28] <Dr_Willis> by removeing a partition, hd0,1 (for example) would become hd0,0
[06:28] <Dr_Willis> check whats in device.map it should show what it thinks the mappings are.
[06:28] <draik> well, I just resized everything, and kept partitions where they belong
[06:28] <Dr_Willis> you said you merged 2 partitions
[06:29] <cho> hi..my ubuntu dapper doesn't play sound since today
[06:29] <cho> until yesterday it worked perfectly
[06:30] <cho> any idea ?
[06:30] <DexterF> hi
[06:30] <draik> What I did was shorten hda1 (which is winxp) and then the unknown I left alone while I deleted my other partition... which I then created as 3GB swap (was 2GB) and now 120GB / (was 20GB)
[06:30] <draik> (hd0)	/dev/hda
[06:30] <draik> (hd1)	/dev/hdb
[06:30] <draik> (hda2)	/dev/sda
[06:31] <Dr_Willis> if you created a new partition , that moved the others 'back' one position.
[06:31] <Dr_Willis> where is your / supposed to be at?
[06:31] <draik> I kept hda5 as swap and hda6 as /
[06:31] <draik> hda6
[06:32] <cho> [AO OSS]  audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy
[06:32] <cho> [AO SDL]  Samplerate: 44100Hz Channels: Stereo Format s16le
[06:32] <cho> [AO SDL]  Unable to open audio: No available audio device
[06:32] <cho> ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:819:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
[06:32] <cho> [AO ESD]  esd_open_sound failed: Connection reset by peer
[06:32] <cho> mcop warning: user defined signal handler found for SIG_PIPE, overriding
[06:32] <Dr_Willis> so hdb and sda are just data drives?
[06:32] <DexterF> talked a friend into giving kub a shot, now he's stuck at wifi: netgear 511, china version. can someone tell for sure if that card works via ndiswrapper?
[06:32] <draik> yup
[06:32] <Healot> !paste > cho
[06:32] <Jucato> cho: are you using Ubuntu or Kubuntu?
[06:32] <lupine_85> DexterF: it should do
[06:32] <draik> hdb should also be bootable Kubuntu, but it won't... so I just use it as storage
[06:32] <cho> Jucato: kubuntu
[06:33] <Dr_Willis> draik,  so your  root            (hd0,0)      line is most likely incorrect.  not the kernel= line.
[06:33] <Dr_Willis> draik,  now check what order hda is in with 'sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda'
[06:34] <draik> hda1 HPFS/NTFS
[06:34] <lupine_85> DexterF: you could have v2 or v3 they're both referenced here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessCardsSupported
[06:34] <draik> hda2 W95 Ext'd (LBA)
[06:35] <draik> hda5 Linux swap / Solaris
[06:35] <draik> hda6 Linux
[06:35] <draik> hda1 is boot
[06:35] <Dr_Willis> hda1 cant be boot... since its a ntfs partition
[06:36] <Dr_Willis> or ya mean root. :P
[06:36] <draik> change it to hda6?
[06:36] <draik> nope, it's got    *      under   'Boot'
[06:36] <Healot> i apologize once again, I am not in love :)
[06:36] <Dr_Willis> draik,  so i THINK you need ------------->   root            (hd0,5)
[06:37] <Dr_Willis> draik,  kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-23-386 root=/dev/hda6
[06:37] <Dr_Willis> in the future - its much easier to just allocate a whole hard drive for linux. :P
[06:37] <Jucato> heh
[06:38] <Dr_Willis> and just use primary partitions. :P
[06:38] <draik> how do I change that?
[06:39] <draik> I can't properly view /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-26-686
[06:40] <Dr_Willis> You edit your grub menus
[06:40] <Dr_Willis> the /boot/grub/menu.lst - OR edit the grub command line at boot time
[06:40] <milco> what is the hotplug folder on kubuntu?
[06:40] <draik> I have my /boot/grub/menu.lst open
[06:40] <Dr_Willis> and you just need to worry about the  hd(X,X) stuff, dont chante the other things
[06:40] <Jucato> hotplug folder? media:/ ??
[06:40] <draik> what do I change?
[06:41] <Dr_Willis> find the first kernel entry.. what does it have for root and kernel=
[06:41] <Dr_Willis> also for a start.. find
[06:42] <StR> I can not connect to  MSN with kopete... anyone else with the same problem?
[06:42] <draik> kernel		/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-26-686 root=/dev/hda6 ro quiet splash
[06:42] <lupine_85> StR: lots of people seem to be having that problem,
[06:42] <Dr_Willis> hiddenmenu   and Comment it out with #hidemenu  so you will see the menu entries at boot p.
[06:42] <lupine_85> what version of Kopete are you using?
[06:43] <StR> lupine_85: what about you?
[06:43] <sorush20> hi guys what is a good utility for shredding data/
[06:43] <Dr_Willis> draik,  so that line looks fine.. and above it you got a   ---> root  ( ) line.
[06:43] <lupine_85> I can connect fine
[06:43] <lupine_85> sorush20: wipe
[06:44] <milco> hotplug
[06:44] <draik> yup
[06:44] <sorush20> I just think I commited credit card fraud.. for 5.99
[06:44] <Dr_Willis> :)
[06:44] <lupine_85> lol
[06:44] <lupine_85> the horror
[06:44] <milco> what is the hotplug folder on kubuntu?
[06:44] <draik> root (hd0,5)
[06:45] <Dr_Willis> draik,  did you add or remove a partition?  i forget now.
[06:45] <Dr_Willis> i would guess ya want a hd0,4, or hd0,6
[06:45] <draik> neither really, just resize
[06:45] <Dr_Willis> you shrunk what down?
[06:45] <draik> hda1
[06:46] <Dr_Willis> and you expanded hda2 ?
[06:46] <draik> before  |-------------hda1------------------|-----hda5-----|-------hda6------------------|
[06:46] <draik> after  |------hda1----------|--------hda5--------|-----------------hda6------------------|
[06:47] <draik> I don't see any hda2, hda3 or hda4
[06:47] <Dr_Willis> where did  hda2 W95 Ext'd (LBA) come from then you mentioned earlier>?
[06:47] <draik> fdisk -l
[06:48] <Dr_Willis> You can have 4 praimary partitions. hda1 through hda4, hda5 and 6 are  logical partitions inside an  extended partition..
[06:48] <Dr_Willis> My GUESS is that you need to use  root (hd0,4) or 3, or 6,
[06:48] <draik> I still don't see any hda3 or 4
[06:49] <Dr_Willis> increase the menu timeout in that grub menu   ------>   timeout         35
[06:49] <Dr_Willis> and UNhide the thing.    ---->   #hiddenmenu
[06:50] <Dr_Willis>  then when ya reboot.. look at what command line/root optons its using and edit them (hit the E key.
[06:50] <Dr_Willis>  and try changing the root (hd0,X) numbers till ya find one that works. :P then when it boots edit the grub config to make it permenet
[06:50] <kepa13> hola
[06:50] <kepa13> hi
[06:50] <kepa13> probe kubuntu
[06:51] <kepa13> hi marina
[06:51] <draik> hda1 = hd0,0   correct?
[06:51] <draik> so then hda6 = hd0,5    right?
[06:51] <kepa13> arrivedrci
[06:51] <Jucato> yep
[06:51] <kepa13> hi jacki
[06:52] <Dr_Willis> draik,  im not sure if grub numbers swap or not.. I normally got my swap after everything
[06:53] <draik> ok, so when I reboot and I see my GRUB, I press ESC? or E?
[06:53] <jacky_> bonsoir
[06:53] <Dr_Willis> if you disable that idiotic "hide menu' feautre you dont need to hit escape. :P
[06:53] <Dr_Willis> E = edit
[06:53] <draik> so it will do it for me... ok
[06:53] <jacky_> parler vous franais
[06:53] <draik> so I just hit E
[06:53] <BluesKaj> !.fr
[06:53] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[06:53] <Dr_Willis> then edit the lines.. then hit 'b' to boot it.
[06:54] <Dr_Willis> or enter. :P
[06:54] <draik> perfect
[06:54] <draik> will do that now
[06:54] <draik> Thank you Dr_Willis
[06:58] <Dr_Willis> which is what i would of done in the first place. :P     but im special.
[07:00] <redubuntu> espaol
[07:00] <BluesKaj> !es
[07:00] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[07:02] <milco> wohoooooooooo i made it :) [17187307.416000]  ivtv0: Initialized WinTV PVR 150, card #0
[07:02] <Dr_Willis> http://www.ulteo.com/main/wiki/      - gotta love a 'new' disrto that dont even state whats so new about it. :)
[07:03] <Dr_Willis> and the wiki is totally open for anyone to post anything. :P
[07:04] <Jucato> Dr_Willis: so is our wiki, btw
[07:04] <Jucato> all you need is to register
[07:04] <Dr_Willis> Jucato,  ya dont even need to register on theirs. :P
[07:04] <Jucato> ah I see....
[07:04] <Dr_Willis> which suprised me.. on the FAQ page.. which was blank.. i put ' Ok.. so what is it" :)
[07:05] <Dr_Willis> perhaps someone will spend 10 min and put some real INFO on their site
[07:05] <BluesKaj> Hawkwind, is that you in the ulteo forums ?
[07:05] <Jucato> Hawkwind: ...
[07:06] <lupine_85> seems fairly comprehensive - it's an easy-for-computer-illiterates Linux distro
[07:06] <BluesKaj> yup, looks like it's the Hawkwind we all know :)
[07:06] <Jucato> yes he is
[07:06] <Dr_Willis> i just heard mention of ulteo  and cant find any real info on it.. yet.
[07:06] <Jucato> btw, Ulteo is based on Kubuntu.
[07:06] <Dr_Willis> still looking
[07:06] <ubuntu_> #kubuntu-fr
[07:06] <BluesKaj> have u tried the distro , Jucato ?
[07:06] <Dr_Willis> its a fork of a fork of a fork!
[07:06] <Jucato> BluesKaj: nope. not yet
[07:06] <Jucato> Dr_Willis: err... kubuntu is not a fork
[07:07] <Dr_Willis> its a spork!
[07:07] <Dr_Willis> :P
[07:07] <milco> ive got a tv card installed using a ivtv driver, its all setup well :)
[07:07] <BluesKaj> http://www.ulteo.com/main/forums/viewforum.php?f=2&sid=da571f86bb6470ade5692c4626f3e33e
[07:07] <Jucato> Kubuntu is still Ubuntu using a different desktop
[07:07] <milco> but what do i need to actually watch tv now, can anyone recommend me a good 'tv' client?
[07:07] <BluesKaj> kde
[07:07] <Jucato> BluesKaj: yep. that's him
[07:08] <milco> they should have called it gubuntu :+
[07:08] <BluesKaj> tvtime , as long as yer not using tvwonder pro , like m
[07:08] <BluesKaj> me
[07:08] <Jucato> milco: for historical reasons, it wasn't
[07:08] <Hawkwind> BluesKaj: Hah yeah just slightly that's me.
[07:08] <Dr_Willis> did Mepis ever convert over and start using ubuntu stuff yet?
[07:08] <Hawkwind> Dr_Willis: Yes
[07:08] <Gazza> hello again :)
[07:09] <BluesKaj> hey Hawkwind, what's diff between kubuntu and Ulteo ?
[07:09] <Hawkwind> BluesKaj: Ulteo isn't released yet
[07:09] <Dr_Willis> Hawkwind, mepis had a few neat things that ubuntu/kubuntu should.. borrow. :P
[07:09] <Jucato> Dr_Willis: it has.. for almost a few months
[07:09] <BluesKaj> yeah ok , Hawkwind, but my question still stands ?
[07:09] <Hawkwind> Dr_Willis: I've never once looked at Mepis.  What do you think they should 'borrow' ?
[07:09] <Gazza> another question: which anti-virus software is recommended for kubuntu, and, how do i install it?
[07:09] <Jucato> Dr_Willis: it free open source software... everyone could borrow... but MEPIS doesn't release it's source code for free...
[07:10] <BluesKaj> milco, try TVTime
[07:10] <Jucato> well, not the way Ubuntu does...
[07:10] <Hawkwind> BluesKaj: Ulteo is based on Kubuntu, and will have some really kewl stuff that no other distro has
[07:10] <halfbloodprince> hey, people!
[07:10] <Dr_Willis> Hawkwind,  their installer from the live cd. was very well done..and they had a few tools that configured the multi-headed displays nicely
[07:10] <milco> Jucato: i dont mind actually to be honest, i mean - i got a kgb-untu here :P
[07:10] <milco> :D
[07:10] <Dr_Willis> Hawkwind,  other then that.. it was trash :P lol
[07:10] <Hawkwind> BluesKaj: That's all I can say unfortunately as I'm not allowed to give out more information
[07:10] <Hawkwind> Dr_Willis: Nice.  I'd love to see a distro configure TwinView during the initial install.  That would be awesome
[07:10] <Dr_Willis> Yea. more  'sound and fury - signifing nothing' :P
[07:10] <Jucato> Dr_Willis: compared to how old Ubiquity is, I wouldn't be surprised that they're installer is better  in some ways
[07:11] <BluesKaj> sounds like it might be fun
[07:11] <lupine_85> Hawkwind: are all the cool GUI tools going to be GPL? Or is that restricted too? :)
[07:11] <Dr_Willis> Ya would think by now - there would be some decent live cd installers out.
[07:11] <Hawkwind> lupine_85: That I don't know, though I'd assume GPL
[07:11] <Gazza> would anybody know which anti-virus software to recommend..?
[07:12] <halfbloodprince> hello there my werewolf friend
[07:12] <lupine_85> that's a fair number of acronyms ;)
[07:12] <Dr_Willis> ubuntu/kubuntu had smarter people in the IRC rooms then the Mepis rooms. :P
[07:12] <lupine_85> hi halfbloodprince
[07:12] <halfbloodprince> how's it going?
[07:12] <lupine_85> http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/wlan-magick
[07:12] <lupine_85> ok
[07:12] <lupine_85> playing with vmware right now
[07:12] <halfbloodprince> ah
[07:12] <BluesKaj> you guys use antivirus in kubuntu ?
[07:12] <BluesKaj> !antivirus
[07:12] <ubotu> antivirus is something you don't really need on Linux, unless you serve windows clients. ClamAV and aegis are decent linux virusscanners. Also see !linuxvirus
[07:12] <Dr_Willis> BluesKaj,  nope. :P
[07:13] <lupine_85> BlueSkaj: I've got clamav on my SMTP server... that's it really
[07:13] <Gazza> wow! i didn't know that :)
[07:13] <lupine_85> don't AVG have a linux client?
[07:13] <Gazza> does this mean that spyware, is also a thing of the past?
[07:13] <halfbloodprince> lupine_85: My kubuntu iso download is done 77%, so in a few hours, it'll be done 100%. Yay! I'll tell you guys before I start the installation for any last minute tips and all
[07:13] <surgy> hey guys
[07:13] <lupine_85> JavaScript spyware might work
[07:13] <_bender_> Hey all
[07:13] <lupine_85> most other spyware - BHOs, etc - won't
[07:13] <_bender_> And thought AVG had a linux client?
[07:14] <_bender_> Saw it on their site a day ago
[07:14] <Gazza> avg free?
[07:14] <_bender_> Yah
[07:14] <_bender_> I think so atleast
[07:14] <mentro> avg is sloow
[07:14] <_bender_> Yep free
[07:14] <mentro> :)
[07:15] <_bender_> and eh I like AVG :-p
[07:15] <surgy> anyone have a goo p2p software they whould recomend?
[07:15] <_bender_> boo it's only got them in RPM format
[07:15] <halfbloodprince> is that amule thing good?
[07:15] <dhq> at boot my dhcp server fails
[07:15] <dhq> sudo /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server restart                                  {failed}
[07:15] <mentro> i havent fscked around with av since the dawn of time really, just for my xp gamebox and that's it
[07:16] <_bender_> Same pretty much, I use AVG on XP but don't see much of a reason on Kubuntu
[07:16] <mentro> _bender_, yep
[07:16] <Gazza> how do i install .rpm extensions?
[07:16] <halfbloodprince> there are no adware/spyware threats on kubuntu?
[07:16] <lupine_85> not yet, really
[07:16] <Gazza> well then i take my question back :)
[07:17] <lupine_85> best to be prepared, though  - it'll show up eventually
[07:17] <_bender_> Common sense+avoiging bad appies
[07:17] <lupine_85> at that point, we'll know Kubuntu has truly matured :)
[07:17] <Gazza> heh :)
[07:17] <halfbloodprince> lupine_85: what do you use for antivirus/spyware
[07:17] <_bender_> Yah preparation is good
[07:17] <lupine_85> just ClamAV on my SMTP server
[07:17] <_bender_> But think common sense=best defense sometimes :p
[07:17] <lupine_85> common sense elsewhere :)
[07:18] <Gazza> do torrent files work with linux?
[07:18] <_bender_> lol
[07:18] <mentro> the best av so far is fdisk
[07:18] <algabone> Gazza: use alein
[07:18] <mentro> Gazza, yep they do
[07:18] <Gazza> alein?
[07:18] <algabone> Gazza: alien, sorry
[07:18] <Gazza> lol
[07:19] <DaSkreech> StR: my friend can't connect to MSN with MSN so....
[07:19] <algabone> Gazza: :D. you can use it for install rpm or to convert rpm to deb
[07:19] <enzo_> as I boot into recovery mode, I get this error...          run-init: /sbin/init: error 2         any clues?
[07:19] <mentro> Gazza, if you're on kubuntu, ktorrent is there
[07:19] <halfbloodprince> i'm so happy kubuntu's installer fits in one cd
[07:19] <_bender_> Yah Kubuntu is great :D
[07:19] <algabone> Gazza: did you tried apt-get install alien ?
[07:19] <halfbloodprince> the f***ing suse linux installer was 5 cds
[07:19] <_bender_> Lest it doesn't BSOD on me again...><
[07:20] <Gazza> mentro: so it is :)
[07:20] <lupine_85> halfbloodprince: lol
[07:21] <Gazza> can you get alien through adept?
[07:21] <halfbloodprince> seriously man.. i can't even think of downloading 5 cds worth of stuff on my 64k connection
[07:21] <halfbloodprince> i had to buy the cds
[07:21] <lupine_85> Gazza: yes
[07:21] <halfbloodprince> and then i wasn't happy with suse, so i removed it anyway
[07:21] <lupine_85> !info adept
[07:21] <ubotu> adept: package manager for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 3752 kB, installed size 10988 kB
[07:21] <lupine_85> erm
[07:21] <lupine_85> !info alien
[07:21] <ubotu> alien: install non-native packages with dpkg. In component main, is optional. Version 8.64 (dapper), package size 101 kB, installed size 276 kB
[07:21] <Gazza> i like this operating system L
[07:21] <lupine_85> yes, SuSE is nasty :(
[07:21] <halfbloodprince> have you tried it lupine?
[07:22] <Vegeta^> When installing a printer driver from Add Printer Wizard, durnig the Printer Model Selection, I get an error when I choose a model, which is something like "Unable to load the req. driver: Unab. to create the Foomatic driver [<name>] . Either that does not exist or u do not hav permission to perform that operation". How do I gain permission on this install? :S
[07:22] <_bender_> Ubotu: If you install an appy with dbpkg does it get indexed into Adept or does uninstalling=manual mumbo jumbo?
[07:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about If you install an appy with dbpkg does it get indexed into Adept or does uninstalling=manual mumbo jumbo? - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:22] <Pio_> pio, can you please change your nick?
[07:22] <_bender_> lol
[07:22] <lupine_85> _bender_: it gets added to the DB
[07:23] <lupine_85> so you can see it in adept, etc
[07:23] <_bender_> ah kk :p
[07:23] <_bender_> ah nice
[07:23] <halfbloodprince> lupine_85: how would you rate your experiences with SuSE
[07:23] <_bender_> Since wasn't sure about that
[07:23] <lupine_85> -10 out of 10
[07:23] <halfbloodprince> haha
[07:23] <halfbloodprince> how do you think kubuntu is better than suse
[07:24] <surgy> sorry bout that
[07:24] <surgy> had to reset my firewall
[07:24] <lupine_85> just... cleaner
[07:24] <surgy> anyone have any recomendations for a p2p client?
[07:24] <halfbloodprince> it took me like 6 hours to get my internet started in suse
[07:24] <surgy> i was using gtkgneutella on fedora
[07:24] <surgy> but this isnt fedora is it?
[07:25] <halfbloodprince> what's sshd
[07:25] <lupine_85> ssh daemon
[07:25] <osiris> !frostwire > surgy
[07:25] <halfbloodprince> okay..
[07:25] <lupine_85> only lets everyone and his dog login to your machine
[07:25] <Ayabara> I've placed a script in ~/.kde/Autostart that does some xmodmapping to make the media keys on my laptop work. The script doesn't seem to be run though..
[07:25] <halfbloodprince> haha
[07:25] <halfbloodprince> lupine_85: do you have libfreetype6 installed?
[07:26] <parreira> saudaes
[07:27] <deeo> well i hope i don't snafu a paste here again, that was embarrassing
[07:27] <Ayabara> is frostwire better than amule?
[07:27] <deeo> fat hand and small laptop touchpads don't mix
[07:27] <lupine_85> different networks
[07:27] <surgy> osiris: isnt limewire facing criminal punishment though? they did get a sease and desist order
[07:27] <lupine_85> hard to say really
[07:27] <osiris> works for me
[07:28] <surgy> does adept have frostwire?
[07:28] <deeo> lupine_85: ktorrent is great.
[07:28] <deeo> ktorrent is, in fact, the best bittorrent client i have ever used.
[07:28] <osiris> and yes ktorrent is nice.  it even supports ip blacklisting
[07:28] <lupine_85> halfbloodprince: yes I do
[07:28] <Ayabara> I never could get the same speeds with ktorrent that I got with azureus.
[07:29] <osiris> surgy, i think i got a stand alone .deb of it
[07:29] <DaSkreech> Gazza: try Clam?
[07:29] <surgy> how do i make konquerer load my homepage when it first opens?
[07:29] <halfbloodprince> lupine_85: is font quality increased a great deal coz of libfreetype6?
[07:29] <Ayabara> though I liked ktorrent better
[07:29] <deeo> surgy: set your home page as the konq home page in konq settings
[07:29] <lupine_85> halfbloodprince: I never noticed really
[07:29] <lupine_85> don't even remember installing it! :D
[07:29] <dhq> where are all the boot files that boot up  in which text file
[07:29] <deeo> Ayabara: what sorta speeds do you get in azureus?
[07:29] <deeo> and btw, isn't that javacrap?
[07:29] <osiris> yes its javacrap
[07:30] <lupine_85> dhq: /boot/grub/menu.lst ?
[07:30] <jacky_> je n'arrive pas  lancer firefox et thunderbird dans queelle rpertoire faut il aller le chercher
[07:30] <Ayabara> deeo, javacrap indeed.
[07:30] <deeo> well then, for a 250MB footprint i'd hope it'd be fast
[07:30] <lupine_85> !fr
[07:30] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[07:30] <surgy> deeo: i did that but it doesnt load my home page as the start page
[07:30] <lupine_85> jacky_: "sudo apt-get install firefox thunderbird" ?
[07:30] <surgy> also can you not just double click a .deb file and it will install itself?
[07:30] <deeo> surgy: bummer, maybe you need to set your home page as the start page, heh?
[07:30] <Ayabara> deeo, got all the speed my connection had. now I run utorrent under wine (and I'm slightly embarassed over it ;-) )
[07:30] <surgy> deeo: how do i do that?
[07:30] <lupine_85> (assuming s/he's asking what I think s/he is...)
[07:31] <deeo> surgy: not sure
[07:31] <dhq> lupine_85: no like all the sound and blutooth start when i boot rite
[07:31] <Ayabara> can anyone help me with my run-script-at-startup problem?
[07:31] <lupine_85> oh, those. /etc/init.d
[07:31] <lupine_85> symlinked to the appropriate runlevel in /etc/rc?.d
[07:32] <osiris> Ayabara, couldnt you put it in ~/.kde/autostart ? or do you need it outside a particular DM
[07:32] <surgy> can you just double click a .deb and it will run like an executable(isnt that what a .deb is) ?
[07:32] <Ayabara> osiris, I have put it in autostart, but it doesn't work
[07:32] <ErikTheRed> alright question here
[07:33] <deeo> well, i don't doubleclick anything in kde, but sorta, yeah.  it's a document, not a program, but in konqueror it should install regardless.
[07:33] <ErikTheRed> whenever i try to go to the appearance section in System Settings it crashes
[07:33] <osiris> Ayabara, is the script executable ?
[07:33] <gawaine> Hi
[07:33] <Ayabara> osiris, how can I tell? permissions?
[07:33] <chx> how can i edit a PDF file? there is no Illustrator and Acrobat Pro under Linux.
[07:34] <saki> is there anyway to get KDE to scroll RSS on the desktop
[07:34] <osiris> Ayabara, ls ~/.kde/autostart
[07:34] <osiris> is it green ?
[07:34] <saki> like not in another window
[07:34] <Ayabara> osiris, nope
[07:34] <osiris> chmod +x filename
[07:34] <gawaine> I've a problem with ark on kubuntu dapper. Can anyone help me ? If i run "ark" from normal user it crashes with "ERROR: Communication problem with ark. It probably crashed", from root it works
[07:34] <surgy> oh well guess im gonna dump konq down the toilet and get opera
[07:34] <Ayabara> osiris, now it's green :-) , thanks for helping
[07:35] <DaSkreech> lupine_85: I think installing sshd is a good idea by default. Just don't turn it on
[07:35] <osiris> Ayabara, should execute now
[07:35] <deeo> surgy: okay, but it won't work from opera either
[07:35] <lupine_85> ...it was turned on...
[07:35] <DaSkreech> Ayabara: made sure the script was executable
[07:35] <surgy> deeo: what do you mean?
[07:35] <DaSkreech> !frostwire
[07:35] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[07:36] <deeo> surgy: i mean a .deb handler is required to open a .deb.  if you don't have one, konq won't open it.  if you do have one or not, opera will have no clue what to do with it.
[07:37] <deeo> because opera is kinda just a web browser, not a file handler or local system browser.
[07:37] <halfbloodprince> is opera better than ffox in linux?
[07:37] <osiris> matter of opinion
[07:37] <deeo> no teh best are skipstonn
[07:37] <deeo> er dillo, dats da best.
[07:37] <surgy> deeo: i dont know what brought that answer about, but duh lol. i wasnt woried about that, i was wanting google to be my start page, if konq cant do that then konq goes to the can. as far as installing frostwire, i think they are out of bandwidth becuase there webpage wont load
[07:37] <gawaine> is there noone that can help me ?
[07:38] <surgy> halbloodprince: imo ye
[07:38] <DaSkreech> surgy: You can right click to get the install package option
[07:38] <deeo> surgy: ah i guess i confused you with somebody else, sorry :)
[07:38] <surgy> daskreech: can you go into more detail please?
[07:38] <deeo> opera is nice if you like looking at lots of banners.
[07:39] <nnn0> ?
[07:39] <DaSkreech> surgy: Right click the deb. Do you see a Green Check mark?
[07:39] <mentro> surgy, under settings, "save view profile " and click the "include url" in the window that pops up
[07:39] <surgy> opera is also nice if you want a 100% custome browser, and you want all the features packed in like irc and crap
[07:39] <nnn0> it's years ago opera had banners
[07:39] <deeo> ah Kubuntu Package, nice.
[07:39] <DaSkreech> gawaine: What's the problem?
[07:40] <deeo> surgy: ffox does that too
[07:40] <surgy> mento: was allready checked
[07:40] <deeo> and actually, it is a standard (XUL).
[07:40] <deeo> surgy: it's not a 'check', its an action.  click it.  installed, bam.
[07:40] <gawaine> DaSkreech: if I run ark from normal user, it doesn't starts and prints "ERROR: Communication problem with ark, it probably crashed.". From root it works
[07:40] <surgy> daskreech: you know im at the help page right? are you thinking im downloading it from adept?
[07:41] <surgy> deeo: what are you talking about?
[07:41] <dhq> lupine_85: no like all the sound and blutooth start when i boot rite
[07:41] <DaSkreech> surgy: I have no clue where you are :) Do you have Deb on the file system?
[07:41] <ubuntu_> hi , i'm try to install kubuntu, but it wont work. it seem to stall out
[07:41] <DaSkreech> gawaine: That's from the command line?
[07:41] <kepa13> my disc of mp3 no sund
[07:41] <gawaine> DaSkreech: yes
[07:41] <deeo> surgy: are you installing a deb>
[07:41] <surgy> man i got three people holding three conversations with me all about different things and they are getting mixed up lol
[07:41] <kepa13> sorry
[07:42] <lupine_85> dhq: yes. And the scripts in /etc/init.d control that
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[07:42] <surgy> daskreech; yes i have access to DEB on the filesystem
[07:42] <surgy> deeo: trying to download the frostwire deb
[07:42] <DaSkreech> surgy: Ok When you browse to it in konqueror try riight click it and tell me if you get a green Check mark
[07:43] <DaSkreech> gawaine:  No other error?
[07:43] <DaSkreech> ubuntu_: Where does it time out?
[07:43] <gawaine> DaSkreech: no, I tried to remove ark with "apt-get remove --purge ark" and reinstalling it but nothing. I tried to remove the configuration file of ark but nothing
[07:43] <lupine_85> spam--
[07:43] <DaSkreech> kepa13: you are trying to play mp3?
[07:44] <surgy> daskreech: i havnt downloaded it yet, here lets start over...... hello my name is surgy, i have a question, my question is, if i download a .deb package can i just double click it like an rpm or exe and have it install for me? or do i have to use a shell and pass parameters to it.
[07:44] <Gaz> another question:
[07:44] <DaSkreech> gawaine: Can you make a new user and try it with that user to see if it's ark or your user?
[07:44] <ubuntu_> were it say install and go back
[07:44] <gawaine> DaSkreech: yes, wait
[07:44] <Gaz> amarok has no sound when playing radio streams
[07:44] <Dr_Willis> surgy,  best to use the shell.  and even Beetter to find the package in the repos.
[07:44] <DaSkreech> Dr_Willis: http://www.gocomics.com/foxtrot/2006/09/07/
[07:45] <Dr_Willis> I like 'mutts' :P
[07:45] <DaSkreech> surgy: You should be able to right clikc and there should be an option to install package
[07:45] <DaSkreech> however if you don't have the dependeinceis a) installed already b) in /var/cache/apt/archive or c) in the same folder it will fail
[07:46] <surgy> daskreech: so your saying i can right click anywhere and get "install package" if not then i dont have a clue
[07:46] <gawaine> DaSkreech: I made a new user, that I've runned "sux tmpuser && ark". It works
[07:46] <DaSkreech> ubuntu_: You click install and nothing happens?
[07:46] <surgy> im just going to download it from froswire.com and then double click it
[07:46] <DaSkreech> gawaine: So your user has some issues with ark...
[07:46] <ubuntu_> i'm try to install knot 2
[07:47] <DaSkreech> Dr_Willis: Your Wiki commnet earlier made me remember that :)
[07:47] <enzo_> Dr_Willis, still have the same issue
[07:47] <gawaine> DaSkreech: yes but... what ? I don't have any idea of how to solve this problem
[07:47] <enzo_> it was missing a few directories
[07:47] <DaSkreech> ubuntu_: Ah try in #ubuntu+1
[07:47] <enzo_> but they are back on there now
[07:47] <Dr_Willis> Heh...
[07:47] <Dr_Willis> i got to head to work in 10 min...
[07:47] <enzo_> but still have the same issue
[07:47] <surgy> adept cant even find frostwire
[07:48] <surgy> so im guessing its not in the repos
[07:48] <DaSkreech> !frostwire
[07:48] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[07:48] <Dr_Willis> enzo_,  cp -a is not a good thing to be backuing up/restoring a whole partition with.. :P
[07:48] <Dr_Willis> bb in a few,
[07:48] <surgy> and i know this is the wrong room and prolly the wrong server but does anyone know anything about hacking psp?
[07:48] <enzo_> k
[07:48] <Dr_Willis> surgy,  i play videos on mine is all i do. :P
[07:48] <deeo> so long, mintim3.
[07:49] <surgy> daskreech: i allready went there i get an error when i enter that command.
[07:49] <surgy> dr_willis: i wand to downgrade to firmaware 1.5 and emulate snes
[07:49] <DaSkreech> surgy: Eh? what command?
[07:49] <DaSkreech> gawaine: Well you can do some high end debugging I guess
[07:49] <surgy> daskreech one sec
[07:50] <surgy> anyone notice how slow konq is at browsing?
[07:50] <surgy> compared to the other browsers
[07:50] <deeo> nope
[07:50] <deeo> it rates faster
[07:50] <deeo> and more compliant
[07:50] <gawaine> DaSkreech: how ?
[07:50] <deeo> in fact konq is the only browser to pass the acid2 test
[07:50] <deeo> even firefox hasn't managed that, nor opera.
[07:50] <deeo> certainly not IE.
[07:50] <surgy> daskreech mind if i pm you a paste?
[07:50] <DaSkreech> strace if you are comfortable with programming but I suspect not
[07:51] <DaSkreech> surgy: Just use pastebin
[07:51] <heinkel_111> me thinks opeera 9 does actually
[07:51] <halfbloodprince> what's the acid2 test
[07:51] <DaSkreech> !paste
[07:51] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[07:51] <deeo> !acid2
[07:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about acid2 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:51] <surgy> I HATE PASTEBIN!
[07:51] <Dr_Willis> surgy,  good luck there.. you can brick the psp doing that.
[07:51] <deeo> http://www.webstandards.org/action/acid2/
[07:51] <DaSkreech> Fine fine PM me the paste
[07:51] <surgy> dr_willis, i know
[07:51] <deeo> opera9 does, yes
[07:51] <Dr_Willis> surgy,  from what few emulators ive been able to get going.. they dont seem to work fast eniugh on the psp.
[07:52] <surgy> done
[07:52] <DaSkreech> Did you download the deb?
[07:52] <deeo> Prince does. too
[07:52] <surgy> dr_willis: someone needs to port linux onto the psp
[07:52] <Dr_Willis> surgy,  actually what needs to be done - is a total boycott of sony :P
[07:52] <surgy> daskreech: which brings us back to my first question.............
[07:52] <DaSkreech> It's on the same page that I showed you before :-P
[07:53] <surgy> dr_willis: that might work but you have to admit, sony makes nice hardware
[07:53] <Dr_Willis> surgy,  i consider the psp - to be very badly done in many ways. :P
[07:53] <deeo> foxconn does too but nobody buys their stuff :<
[07:53] <surgy> daskreech: yeah, frostwire.com
[07:53] <DaSkreech> And spiderman movies
[07:53] <Dr_Willis> and their decisions for it - cripple it imsensly.
[07:53] <DaSkreech> surgy: Right and you downloaded the Ubuntu deb?
[07:53] <surgy> i click on the debian/ubuntu link and it sends me a binary, opens it and warns me not to save it or it will be corupt
[07:53] <Dr_Willis> When a decent  portable video player comes out that i like.. my psp is going on ebay.
[07:53] <Dr_Willis> :P
[07:54] <DaSkreech> surgy: Save it :)
[07:54] <marten_> hi
[07:54] <deeo> Dr_Willis: i have one, a sierra wireless Voq.
[07:54] <marten_> is there any possibility to update to edgy using ubuntu repositories?
[07:54] <surgy> daskreech whatever man
[07:54] <DaSkreech> !upgrade > marten_
[07:54] <surgy> this sucks
[07:54] <DaSkreech> surgy: So back to my question. Did you downlaod the deb?
[07:55] <deeo> snubbed :<
[07:55] <surgy> i spent 3 hours last night installing my radeon driver
[07:55] <surgy> daskreech: no
[07:55] <marten_> DaSkreech: which repository? just change dapper to edgy?
[07:55] <DaSkreech> marten_: Yup
[07:55] <surgy> 2 hours to get a p2p client
[07:55] <DaSkreech> Ok hold on let me try something
[07:55] <surgy> prolly another 4 hours to get blender
[07:55] <marten_> DaSkreech: ok, thank you... i wanna try kde4 *g*
[07:55] <surgy> hope and pray i get the fps required
[07:55] <surgy> .....................
[07:56] <surgy> sorry but im still reaching for the idea that linux is comparable to windows, and im not touching it yet,,,,,,,
[07:56] <atomic_> http://www.vozartmusic.com/home.html
[07:57] <surgy> !sysinfo
[07:57] <deeo> take it to a bar surgy
[07:57] <ubotu> sysinfo: Simple GTK program that shows some UNIX/Linux system information. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6.1-0ubuntu4 (dapper), package size 93 kB, installed size 508 kB
[07:57] <deeo> no drama queens allowed here :/
[07:57] <surgy> deeo: what?
[07:57] <surgy> oh lol
[07:57] <deeo> in other words, we're here to help, not to console your pathetic whining about your inaptitudes with linux.
[07:57] <surgy> deeo: understood
[07:57] <deeo> sorry, just need to make it clear >3
[07:57] <deeo> <3
[07:58] <surgy> but it whould be nice to hear an explaination as to why certain conveniances havnt reached the linux os
[07:58] <BluesKaj> c'mon deeo, give the guy a break , get off yer linux hihorse ...so know some stuff , don't be jerk !
[07:58] <DaSkreech> surgy: Ok Was hoping the link was direct/ It's not
[07:58] <halfbloodprince> man i cant wait to do my installation
[07:58] <DaSkreech> Right click the link for the Ubuntu deb and download it to your computer
[07:58] <halfbloodprince> my only hope is that kubuntu detects all my hardware properly
[07:59] <surgy> halfbloodprince: yeah thats whats nice about the live cd
[07:59] <surgy> daskreech: thats means?
[07:59] <halfbloodprince> surgy: if the live cd doesn't detect my hardware, then i shouldn't go ahead with the installation/
[07:59] <halfbloodprince> ?
[07:59] <surgy> daskreech: i know the link just leads to the website
[07:59] <DaSkreech> frostwire.com
[08:00] <DaSkreech>  They have a link on the front page that says Ubuntu/Kubuntu
[08:00] <surgy> halfbloodprince: no not necesarily but it gives you a good idea of whats going to not be compatible
[08:00] <DaSkreech> Right click and choose save Target as or whatever  :-)
[08:00] <deeo> but, i am a jerk.  he insulted my love.
[08:00] <surgy> daskreech yeah, thanks for the help man, i gotta take a break though, p2p isnt going to come i accept that, at least not through frostwire. ill prolly just go with torrents
[08:00] <deeo> i can't let something like that just slide past me..
[08:01] <deeo> surgy: which conveniences?
[08:01] <surgy> deeo: lol i didnt mean to offend your "Love" i was simply pointing out my frustrations
[08:02] <deeo> i could probably help point you to the stuff you need for convenience sake
[08:02] <surgy> deeo: executables, and drivers, viable directx wrappers, propper win32 emulation, decent 3d acceleration, eas of use ergonomics.....etc etc
[08:03] <DaSkreech> surgy: Are you sure you just don't want to use Windows? :-)
[08:03] <surgy> deeo: i just think it silly that in the advanced stage that the lin kernal is in it should be able to emulate anything win32 or even win64
[08:04] <milco> im receiving 'checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= 2.0) (libraries) not found. Please check your installation!' while i do have libqt3-mt installed / the headers
[08:04] <milco> any ideas?
[08:04] <nomi> hi all
[08:04] <surgy> daskreech: lol not sure, but possitive, i also love linux but she is being a whore right now and i want to cheat on her with windows from time to time, you know just get my rocks off in some DX9
[08:05] <deeo> surgy: executables, how do you mean?  drivers, there are far less than windows true, but they provide a much broader scope of hardware support each.  directx IS microsoft brand.  win32 does NOT emulate linux programs, so its fair.  (nor does mac).  linux fglrx outperforms win32 detonator, ergonomics.. not sure what you mean
[08:05] <DaSkreech> surgy: No problem as long as you don't try to make Linux Windows or Windows LInux
[08:05] <BluesKaj> and make dvds from DLs :)
[08:05] <deeo> surgy: win32 supports two filesystems: fat32 and ntfs.  how is that Advanced?  linux supports both of those, reiserfs, ext2 ext3, afs, bfs, bsd, xfs, and so on and so on
[08:06] <deeo> surge: and win32 executables, PE, are in fact LESS advanced than linux standard ELF format.
[08:06] <nomi> can any1 tell me how to register i am new :-)
[08:06] <surgy> deeo: drivers are too complicated to install, you cant just double click and whatch it go, and ergonomics, as in nothing feals natural it is all obscure and rough around the edges, and if linux doesnt support win32 then it is debilitated
[08:07] <deeo> surgy: agreed, drivers typically are a chore in linux to install from the graphical aspect, if at all.  the reason is linux is mostly self configuring.  there are cases where it doesn't get it quite right.
[08:07] <surgy> deeo: but why is win32 so popular? becuase it doesnt take 3 hours to run a untextured set of almost 3d gears at 500 fps
[08:08] <surgy> daskreech: agreed, but they should be cros compatible
[08:08] <DaSkreech> surgy: Why?
[08:09] <deeo> surgy: where, for example, ATI drivers must be installed manually, this is due to the fact that ATI restricts redistribution, so ubuntu and kubuntu can't exactly package it or include it; you must download it yourself, and install it.  EVEN THEN the apt system makes that 300% easier for you.  as for glxgears, i don't think you have your drivers setup completely :)  on my system WoW in Wine gives better FPS than native Win32 can, and that
[08:09] <DaSkreech> surgy: It would be that easy if ATI and nVidia wrote proper drivers
[08:09] <alberto> hi everybody
[08:09] <DaSkreech> That's not the fault of Linux  :-)
[08:10] <deeo> surgy: your trouble with the ergonomics is an issue of familiarity.  i feel that way about win32 for those exact reasons.  that comes with time, or, optionally, preferencing.  you could always try Gnome or XFCE.
[08:10] <alberto> is there a channel for kubuntu edgy support or can i just ask here?
[08:10] <deeo> surgy: there's even a desktop environment for linux/X which emulates a windows xp desktop if you prefer
[08:10] <MetaMorfoziS> hi all
[08:10] <BluesKaj> !edgy
[08:10] <ubotu> edgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule
[08:11] <alberto> thx
[08:11] <BluesKaj> np
[08:11] <deeo> surgy: but don't 'install' software, adept it.  click, click, downloaded-installed-configured-done.  no messing around or going to softwarecompany.com, register, check email, click link, go to mirror, agree to eula, click accept, pick location, install program, reboot pc.
[08:11] <surgy> daskreech: agreed, as for"why should linux and windows be cross compat." it is becuase they are not cross compatible that they are direct competitors, and that is not good for the open source comunity. we should not compete with anyone, but rather make ourself meld into something that cant be competed against.
[08:12] <DaSkreech> alberto: try #ubuntu+1
[08:12] <enzo_> Is there a way of seeing the difference between 2 directories?
[08:12] <surgy> deeo: agreed adept is great, but as i stated "what if" adept cant find it? what if i want to play city of villains? what if i want to download a song?
[08:12] <alberto> DaSkreech: thx
[08:12] <enzo_> missing/extra files and or directories and such?
[08:12] <deeo> surgy: tell them that, they're the ones using OSS in their code, not us.  besides that, emulation of win32 requires reverse engineering and many lawsuits.
[08:13] <DaSkreech> surgy: Thats' the point of Gnome
[08:13] <deeo> surgy: again, blame city of villains, or ncsoft, they didn't release a linux version.  download a song with apollon or nicotine.
[08:13] <BluesKaj> linux is anonprofit thing ...well mostly except mandriva and novell, but otherwise it's for DIY types who like to do things for themselves, ..I think :)
[08:13] <DaSkreech> surgy: And for the most part we >can't< just be compatible with all software cause they will sue OSS out of the picture
[08:14] <deeo> and be realistic, OSS is a closed environment.  nobody makes software FOR oss, not companies anyway, the people have to.
[08:14] <surgy> deeo: but making to different ports of every game isnt the answer.....obviously, i mean how long has that been an option? and how many companys have actually done that? granted a few have but comparatively, not many.
[08:14] <DaSkreech> surgy: There are a good deal of good game makers and hardware manufacturers who make Linux compatible stuff and they are pretty good
[08:14] <lupine_85> reverse engineering is legal here for interoperability purposes
[08:14] <lupine_85> europe++ ;)
[08:14] <BluesKaj> DaSkreech, which java for dapper ?
[08:14] <deeo> and 'the people' didnt make city of villains, the people made tuxracer.
[08:14] <lupine_85> still a PITA to do though
[08:14] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: Eh?
[08:14] <deeo> surgy: ID Software did it with ease.
[08:15] <BluesKaj> gonna try axureus
[08:15] <BluesKaj> azureus
[08:15] <DaSkreech> surgy: It's a matter of not porting but doing things Linux aware fro mthe start
[08:15] <lupine_85> surgy: then write a compatibility layer... oh wait, that's already being done...
[08:15] <surgy> daskreech: i agree, but whouldnt it be even better if i got to chose a distro to match my hardware instead of chossing hardware to match the distro?
[08:15] <enzo_> BluesKaj, Azureus is a little "loopy" ... not too stable, from what I've seen
[08:15] <deeo> surgy: that's the point.  if it's so 'easy', then do it yourself.
[08:15] <lupine_85> surgy: then help out with writing some drivers :)
[08:15] <surgy> deeo: i know i am a huge fan of rtcw
[08:16] <spiderworm> hi all, k3bsetup doesnt seem to be actually changing my cd writer's permissions and it gives no error messages.... anyone know how to fix this?
[08:16] <Vegeta^> How can I install a Printer driver in kubuntu? I tried "Printers - System Setting" but it says I don't have permission, even though I login as root.
[08:16] <lupine_85> Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory...
[08:16] <deeo> yeah i play et from time to time too
[08:16] <DaSkreech> surgy: Duh!. Again write to the people who's hardware you like and tell them that you would like to use thier stuff under Linux
[08:16] <surgy> lupine: also a good one
[08:16] <lupine_85> True Combat: Elite is better
[08:16] <deeo> lupine_85: that's ET too though, heh
[08:16] <enzo_> Is there a way of seeing the difference between 2 directories?
[08:16] <lupine_85> I know - it's great :D
[08:16] <surgy> daskreech: ok ill start whining in the right direction lol
[08:17] <BluesKaj> enzo_, i had running a while ago and it seemed to hold on to the trackers better than Ktorrent
[08:17] <deeo> i played TC back when it was on the q3a engine
[08:17] <deeo> surgy: consider how much closed stuff IS supported
[08:17] <elknof1> hey
[08:17] <DaSkreech> surgy: thanks :)
[08:17] <elknof1> hi everybody..
[08:17] <enzo_> BluesKaj, maybe I didn't have something you do... who knows
[08:17] <BluesKaj> but I had re install kubuntu due some foulups that i couldn't fix
[08:17] <DaSkreech> surgy: Beleive ot or not it helps a lot
[08:17] <surgy> deeo: i know i meann in no way to discredit the work that has been done
[08:17] <deeo> surgy: that fancy nforce4 mobo for example, reverse engineered, wine is entirely so, etcetera...
[08:17] <lupine_85> nforce4--
[08:17] <elknof1> hey i been trying to install w32codecs from cipherfunk repo, but something is not working i think...
[08:18] <elknof1> can someone helpme??
[08:18] <lupine_85> cipherfunk?
[08:18] <lupine_85> tried PLF?
[08:18] <elknof1> yeap...deb ftp://cipherfunk.org/pub/packages/ubuntu/ dapper main
[08:18] <deeo> surgy: i recognise that, i'm just pointing out that linux isn't an answer, it is only potential.
[08:18] <surgy> deeo: but you have to admit the comon saying "modern linux can do anything windows can do and most of the time even better" is not accurate
[08:18] <lupine_85> deb http://packages.freecontrib.org/ubuntu/plf/ dapper free non-free
[08:18] <surgy> deeo: agreed
[08:18] <lupine_85> is what I use - works fine
[08:18] <BluesKaj> cypher is an iffy repos at best from my experience
[08:18] <elknof1> do i need key??
[08:19] <deeo> surgy: XGL is beyond win32.  file attributes are beyond win32.  journalling filesystems, adept, amarok even, maybe.
[08:19] <elknof1> BluesKaj, i been trynig, i did add the key, but still cant do it..
[08:19] <TheGateKeeper> elknof1:
[08:19] <TheGateKeeper> wget -c http://www.debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/w/w32codecs/w32codecs_20060611-0.0_i386.deb
[08:19] <TheGateKeeper> sudo dpkg -i w32codecs_20060611-0.0_i386.deb
[08:19] <surgy> deeo: thats all good for the developer, but for the truly end user like my self?
[08:19] <DaSkreech> elknof1: hi
[08:19] <deeo> surgy: agreed.  linux can, on the whole, do a helluva lot more.
[08:19] <lupine_85> deeo: unfortunately, file permissions are on a par now :(
[08:19] <elknof1> DaSkreech, hey hi
[08:20] <BluesKaj> maybe another repos elknof1
[08:20] <deeo> surgy: okay, a journalled filesystem means no filesystem check on bad reboot,
[08:20] <deeo> so no chance to get a coffee.
[08:20] <TheGateKeeper> elknof1: all you need is those 2 commands above ^^^^
[08:20] <surgy> deeo: lol
[08:20] <TheGateKeeper> brb
[08:20] <deeo> XGL means an opengl accelerated desktop.  not useful, but pretty.
[08:20] <zorgluuu> widly off topic time :)
[08:20] <DaSkreech> Though mainly windows wins for Games.
[08:20] <DaSkreech> zorgluuu: ha ha :)
[08:21] <deeo> file attributes are insanely useful, but not really practical for a desktop user unless they search for files a lot, but then linux already has gam for that, or fam.
[08:21] <surgy> deeo: but software......... what is there is what is there and no other choices, other than writing my own, and that is what scares most people away
[08:21] <deeo> surgy: linux is FULL of choices!
[08:21] <DaSkreech> surgy: That's true of all oses
[08:21] <elknof1> TheGateKeeper, hey thanks a lot...
[08:21] <zorgluuu> DaSkreech: i go on hollyday for 4 day and i come back to see this :) seems weird in fct :)
[08:21] <zorgluuu> fact
[08:22] <deeo> surgy: in win32 how do you open a program, start run?  i dont like that bar.  weeeelll tough, it's just windows.
[08:22] <DaSkreech> zorgluuu: Well we were trying to get as much inwhile no one was loking :)
[08:22] <deeo> in linux you can ACTUALLY use a different bar.
[08:22] <zorgluuu> DaSkreech: i knew it :)
[08:22] <deeo> you have your choice of about 20 or 30 window managers, from about as many desktop environment.s
[08:22] <lupine_85> surgy: 20,000 software packages not enough?!
[08:22] <surgy> deeo: i agree its not custome
[08:22] <deeo> you can write your office docs in any of about as many word processors.
[08:22] <surgy> lupine_85: no frostwire.....
[08:22] <deeo> you can instant message with as many IM programs.
[08:22] <lupine_85> only in linux could you get a gem like kteatime
[08:23] <deeo> hell have you seen how many IRC clients there are for linux?
[08:23] <lupine_85> lupine_85: no, but there is a .deb on t'internet for it
[08:23] <lupine_85> erm, surgy, rather
[08:23] <surgy> deeo: lol irc is great
[08:23] <deeo> media players, browsers, syncing daemons, terminals
[08:23] <deeo> toys
[08:23] <deeo> games
[08:23] <aseigo> you're both right.
[08:23] <lupine_85> and you could always submit that .deb to universe or multiverse yourselv
[08:23] <deeo> development tools, including compilers and IDEs..
[08:23] <aseigo> there's a stupid number of great apps available.
[08:23] <aseigo> there's also a number of application gaps.
[08:24] <deeo> point is you don't know 99% of those programs
[08:24] <lupine_85> Linux *is* about doing it yourself. IF you prefer to be spoonfed, windows is for you
[08:24] <aseigo> the former grows, the latter shrinks, but we still have a ways to go =)
[08:24] <deeo> and to do that you'd need to use them AND become familiar with them
[08:24] <aseigo> and yes, a lot of people don't know what all we have.
[08:24] <surgy> lupine_85 i know, but say there wasnt. say i wanted to use a program that is propreitary to windows, that has not yet been ported to linux, yes there is wine and cedega(which are both pains) but what is the real value of those two?
[08:24] <deeo> i haven't used about 85% of them, personally, and i've used linux solely since redrat 5.2
[08:24] <DaSkreech> deeo: You have 20 Desktop Environments?
[08:24] <aseigo> lupine_85: i dunno about that. i think "spoonfeeding" should be an option. though that should also turn on the "limited community support" feature too ;)
[08:24] <deeo> DaSkreech: not all at once
[08:24] <lupine_85> the real value? A few hundred thousand man-hours of work?
[08:25] <lupine_85> (probably more!)
[08:25] <deeo> i have 4 virtual desktops though
[08:25] <DaSkreech> deeo: gimmie the list of those Desktop Environments :)
[08:25] <surgy> lupine_85: and in the end it cannot play empire earth........
[08:25] <chx> wow
[08:26] <aseigo> surgy: the solution is to get more developers targetting kde and linux. in particular by encouraging writing cross platform software (windows -> linux being more important than linux -> windows)
[08:26] <deeo> DaSkreech: adept search it
[08:26] <chx> this channel has the most patient chanelops i ever saw
[08:26] <aseigo> surgy: this is why we are porting kde4's libs to win32 and why trolltech gpl'd qt on windows
[08:26] <deeo> kde, gnome, xfce, windowmaker, icewm, twm, ratpoison, etc etc
[08:26] <surgy> aseigo: but how long has that been tried? the comercial market advantage of supporting linux doesnt exsist.
[08:26] <DaSkreech> aseigo: Though honestly having 2,000 text editorsshouldn't count
[08:27] <aseigo> deeo: no, it's not actually
[08:27] <deeo> how not
[08:27] <aseigo> deeo: a desktop environment provides both application integration as well as desktop, panel and other accoutrements
[08:27] <chx> a DE typically consists of a window manager (such as Metacity or KWin), a file manager (such as Konqueror or Nautilus), a set of themes, and programs and libraries for managing the desktop.
[08:27] <surgy> ok someone wanna prove me wrong?
[08:27] <DaSkreech> surgy: Me meme
[08:27] <surgy> prove me wrong i have a few hours to invest
[08:27] <aseigo> deeo: windowmaker and blackbox+bbtools come close in many ways, but aren't DEs
[08:28] <deeo> aseigo: to what degree, at what point does it become legally a DE
[08:28] <DaSkreech> surgy: What's up?
[08:28] <aseigo> DaSkreech: ha. yeah, indeed. that's why i try and speak of application categories and gaps rather than # of apps
[08:28] <surgy> help me set up wine in such a way that a 12 year old rts game can be played and then send it to me, the game is empire earth.
[08:28] <surgy> if you can do that then i will retract all my banters of windows being superior.
[08:29] <deeo> surgy: what'll you pay for that?
[08:29] <aseigo> surgy: i think there's two things to that ... one is that there are 10s of thousands of developers who stay on windows. many of those could become open source developers if they had decent tools on their platform with which to do so
[08:29] <copter> hi all
[08:29] <surgy> i will even give you full access of my hardware if you wish
[08:29] <deeo> surgy: i could use a little extra cash.
[08:29] <deeo> surgy: no no, a la win32, you have to buy that.
[08:29] <aseigo> surgy: the second is that we're slowly breaking the commercial barrier. sometimes things take time; stopping because it doesn't happen right away can be a bad strategy.
[08:29] <deeo> :/
[08:29] <aseigo> surgy: i mean, if what we're doing is just -wrong- then we could wait forever. the question is: what do we -actually- need to do?
[08:29] <surgy> aseigo: why not do both strategys?
[08:30] <aseigo> surgy: and i think the answer is that we need more userbase to be attractive to more commercial entities
[08:30] <chx> there is a problem with the "we need"
[08:30] <DaSkreech> surgy: Good god. EE is 12 years old?
[08:30] <aseigo> but when google releases google earth; skype releases on linux; etc... these are nice signs
[08:30] <chx> this assumes that somehow we want people to use Linux
[08:30] <surgy> deeo: i want someone to prove it can be done with open source software IE: wine, and you asking for moeny to do it proves my point further that open source cant compete with good old cash.
[08:30] <BluesKaj> there both strategies...mandriva and novell are "commercial entities"
[08:31] <chx> I never wanted to convince my fellows that they should use anything
[08:31] <surgy> daskreech lol
[08:31] <aseigo> surgy: so... every year our user base grows ... that much is true. and with that comes more open source and proprietary apps. which helps expand our user base. goto 10. ;)
[08:31] <lupine_85> Surgy: if it's 12 years old then I think you might have more luck with dosemu!
[08:31] <surgy> daskreech i might be wrong didnt it come out in 94 or 95 though lol?
[08:31] <aseigo> chx: correct. and many of us do.
[08:31] <chx> I just make myself an example and if anyone follows me, good, if not, so be it.
[08:31] <stephan2501> Nelja
[08:31] <chx> this is so with Drupal, Opera and Linux
[08:31] <chx> I have long given up convincing anyone
[08:32] <DaSkreech> surgy: BTW I think there is a walkthrough on EE on the wine site
[08:32] <aseigo> chx: which is great =) i wouldn't want you to change that way of going about things. likewise i am taking a separate path.
[08:32] <BluesKaj> so be it? ...ya sound like some religious promoter
[08:32] <surgy> aseigo: but can you atribute all of that to the comunity growing or is some of that growth the simple growth in the use of computers?
[08:32] <nelja> Solnyschko! ich schreibe an dich in deinem Fenster oder auf deinen Namen. Kannst du das sehrn?
[08:32] <deeo> surgy: fine, i accept it.  can't compete.  if i can charge for it, i will.
[08:32] <surgy> daskreech: they say it runs like garbage on the wine site
[08:32] <aseigo> chx: i think there is a real difference between trying to "sell" people on it and growing the ecosystem
[08:32] <stephan2501> Ne, kann ich nicht, ich versuche dasselbe zu Dir.
[08:33] <chx> BluesKaj: rather I speak like someone who has a very limited selection of English phrases
[08:33] <surgy> deeo: then why do you support the community?
[08:33] <deeo> surgy: because i wanna
[08:33] <surgy> lol
[08:33] <deeo> and they're good to me
[08:33] <aseigo> chx: i believe the latter naturally creates a greater userbase, more applications and generally more clout for us (which is important when it comes to standards bodies, for instance, which in turn is critical in ensuring we don't get locked out of things)
[08:33] <deeo> and i appreciate the work and want to help make it better
[08:33] <surgy> i want to support it to be free and i want it to be common beleafe that all software should be free
[08:33] <deeo> why is linux MY os?  because it does everything I need and more, faster, stabler, and cheaper than win32.
[08:33] <copter> sorry for interuption guys but i have a small problem. can anyone help me?
[08:33] <deeo> safer, too.
[08:34] <BluesKaj> ok chx
[08:34] <lupine_85> copter: sure
[08:34] <aseigo> surgy: are you asking if the user base is growing at the same pace as the general desktop market? e.g. is the market share is remaining the same but the numbers are growing?
[08:34] <lupine_85> well, we can try ;)
[08:34] <deeo> copter: don't ask to ask
[08:34] <chx> copter: no, there is no living soul who could help you, you are beyond salvation. and what's your question, anyways? :)
[08:34] <DaSkreech> surgy: check the cedega site
[08:34] <enzo_> !ask
[08:34] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[08:34] <BluesKaj> copter, ask away , some will be glad to help if he/she can
[08:34] <DaSkreech> !de
[08:34] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[08:34] <onkeltuca> hi folks. my amarok doesnt play anythio
[08:34] <onkeltuca> anything
[08:34] <onkeltuca> but i have sound...
[08:34] <surgy> aseigo: im asking if you atribute the linux comunities growth on linux developement or on market growth? becuase all os markets are swelling not just linux
[08:35] <chx> how does it not play
[08:35] <nelja> Igelchen, ich kann alles sehen und lesen, was du an mich schreibst.
[08:35] <lupine_85> installed libxome-extracodecs ?
[08:35] <aseigo> onkeltuca: have you tried an ogg or just mp3s?
[08:35] <DaSkreech> copter: speak!
[08:35] <lupine_85> erm, libxine
[08:35] <Vegeta^> At http://localhost:631/ when I want to add printer, it asks for User Name and Password, but what is the username and password? It's not te root username and root passowrd, because that doesn't work.
[08:35] <chx> if started from konsole, do you see error messages etc.
[08:35] <onkeltuca> just mp3s
[08:35] <copter> ok, thnx. ive just ssh'ed to some other computer and ive found there that ive forgot to logout (yes, i know... im dumb :/). the question is - can i logout remotely now?
[08:35] <DaSkreech> onkeltuca: !mp3
[08:35] <aseigo> surgy: right.. so is the actual -market share- growing rather than simply maintaining in a growing market ... that is a very hard question to answer given our lack of solid, stable numbers
[08:36] <DaSkreech> !de > nelja
[08:36] <lupine_85> yep, install libxine-extracodecs and all your mp3s will work again
[08:36] <nelja> Wo dort, in deiser doofer Englischer Version? Alle beschimpfen mich wieder.
[08:36] <onkeltuca> ??
[08:36] <DaSkreech> ubotu: Lazy butt get up!
[08:36] <aseigo> surgy: what is interesting is that our user base numbers are not growing uniformly. e.g. there are markets where we are seeing near zero growth, which is to be expected given our specific feature profile
[08:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about Lazy butt get up! - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:36] <DaSkreech> nelja: Try #kubuntu-de
[08:36] <aseigo> surgy: whilst in other markets we're growing rather quickly it seems
[08:37] <DaSkreech> onkeltuca: do you have multiverse?
[08:37] <aseigo> surgy: that's not what one would expect to see if we were simply following market growth ... if we were, growth would be fairly flat across all segments
[08:37] <surgy> aseigo: so therefore you cant really know if your comunity is growing or has stabilized, nor can you know whether your strategy of having the software developers comit to porting there software for you is going to help or has helped
[08:37] <surgy> aseigo, true
[08:37] <aseigo> surgy: additionally, we're growing much faster than the pc market is. but that's not exactly hard to do when you have small numbers
[08:38] <surgy> daskreech you wanted me to check the cedega site?
[08:38] <onkeltuca> ive the standard amarok...but think i have mutliverse repositories
[08:38] <DaSkreech> yeah
[08:38] <aseigo> surgy: i did some extrapolation based on some numbers that were published this year and figure that we're doing at least 1.8 million new paid for installations of kde a year
[08:38] <DaSkreech> They have a better game-runing-situation
[08:38] <aseigo> surgy: we've probably only sustained that level of growth for at most 2 years, however
[08:38] <surgy> aseigo, also the linux comunity may be growing fast but you cant tell how fast untill you have cought up with competitiors, have you done that?
[08:39] <DaSkreech> aseigo: Paid?
[08:39] <copter> so, is it possible?
[08:39] <echo1> Does anyone have any tips on managing two network cards in one machine?  I have my built in IPW2200 and a seperate PCMCIA card.  They both function but when I plug in my PCMCIA card the computer has a tendancy to drop the connection/mess it up.  Its a problem because I'm at school and we have HTTP login
[08:39] <surgy> daskreech cedega doesnt support EE either :)
[08:39] <aseigo> surgy: in any case, it will be very interesting to see what happens with growth over the next 2-3 to see if it levels off (post-small-market effect) or if it continues to grow at the same visible rates (hot-technology effect)
[08:39] <aseigo> DaSkreech: yes. as in "they paid to get kde"
[08:40] <aseigo> DaSkreech: the #s i used were based on paid units from two rather largish regional projects that sell into retail channels
[08:40] <surgy> aseigo: but without the venders i dont see it happening, is the end user growth or vender/market growth?
[08:40] <onkeltuca> do i need extra plug ins for mp3?
[08:40] <surgy> this*
[08:41] <aseigo> copter: logged into a kde session, or a terminal session, or?
[08:41] <copter> terminal
[08:41] <DaSkreech> onkeltuca: Yes
[08:41] <DaSkreech> Libxine-extracodecs
[08:42] <DaSkreech> Look for it in adept
[08:42] <onkeltuca> allright
[08:42] <onkeltuca> thx
[08:42] <aseigo> copter: via ssh then?
[08:42] <copter> nope, tty1
[08:42] <surgy> daskreech: you think you could prove me wrong? think you could make EE work?
[08:43] <surgy> the reason why im using EE as an example is becuase aparently it hits almost ever weak point the xwine and wine wrappers have
[08:43] <copter> aseigo: i logged now again by ssh from another computer and i want to remotely kill that previous tty session
[08:43] <DaSkreech> surgy: I've not looked at it but I think that the #winehq might have some quicker results
[08:43] <aseigo> copter: ps aux | grep tty
[08:43] <surgy> ok
[08:44] <aseigo> copter: find the process that is the shell for that tty and then killl it
[08:44] <surgy> oh i had a question too before i leave
[08:44] <surgy> will blender I386 work on my kubuntu64 install?
[08:44] <aseigo> copter: the process is probably bash, btw
[08:44] <DaSkreech> surgy: or #cedega of course :)
[08:45] <aseigo> surgy: it's happening w/out the vendors now.
[08:45] <surgy> daskreech: of course :)
[08:45] <copter> aseigo: can see only root processes and my grep tty from now
[08:45] <surgy> aseigo: nice i will have to sit back and wait
[08:45] <aseigo> surgy: vendors are slowly coming around to the platform. our user base continues to grow... we slowly reach the tipping point for them. same thing happened with the linux server
[08:45] <heix_> hi
[08:45] <surgy> didnt ibm have linux comercials about 3 or 4 years ago?
[08:45] <DaSkreech> surgy: No You need to whine in their direction :)
[08:45] <surgy> what happened to their support?
[08:45] <heix_> give me please some good sources.list please
[08:46] <aseigo> surgy: sadly for the vendors, the longer they wait the more open source apps that kill their opportunities get written... pdf viewers and distillers being a classic example
[08:46] <aseigo> surgy: yes.. ibm is rather focussed on the server still.. trying to make the desktop go, but they are an enterprise company and the only segment we show poorer in than the enterprise is the "average knowledge home user"
[08:47] <surgy> aseigo: maybe "catylist" will be next out the door
[08:47] <DaSkreech> aseigo: Adobe never cared about PDF viewers on anythign but Windows :)
[08:47] <heix_> some good sources.list please
[08:47] <DaSkreech> !easysource
[08:47] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[08:47] <DaSkreech> There you go
[08:47] <DaSkreech> aseigo: What's the push behind novell and desktop?
[08:48] <dhq> how do i reconfigure grub
[08:48] <surgy> aseigo: can you answer my question about blender i386 being compatible with my 64bit os please?
[08:48] <halfbloodprince> once Adobe releases it's software for linux, it'll be good bye windows
[08:48] <aseigo> DaSkreech: sorry, don't understand the question exactly. are you asking what are they hoping to achieve? or what is their strategy? or how many resources are they putting into it?
[08:48] <DaSkreech> surgy: I'd say it should be
[08:48] <deeo> surgy: why not run the 64bit binary
[08:48] <aseigo> surgy: no idea =) though 32 bit apps run just fine on mixed 32/64bit OSes, such as linux on amd64
[08:48] <DaSkreech> why don't you geta 64 bit?
[08:49] <surgy> daskreech: ok good i will try it after i kill my self with wine :)
[08:49] <surgy> deeo: there is a 64bit bin?
[08:49] <DaSkreech> surgy: Might want to try cedega first since it's the main focus
[08:49] <deeo> surgy: when running 64bit kubuntu, all software in adept is 64 bit.
[08:49] <BluesKaj> halfbloodprince, what makes you come that conclusion ?
[08:49] <DaSkreech> you can pull the CVS for free I thnk
[08:49] <deeo> surgy: if you can find it there (and blender is there) it IS 64bit.
[08:49] <aseigo> halfbloodprince: either that or adobe will miss the window ... krita, inkscape and scribus are all turning into serious contenders
[08:49] <dhq> DaSkreech: how do i reconfigure grub
[08:49] <dhq> DaSkreech: is there lilo for kubuntu
[08:50] <DaSkreech> I'm sure
[08:50] <surgy> daskreech: im stll waiting on my new visa in the mail my old on exspired, so i cant get it for 4 more days at least
[08:50] <DaSkreech> dhq: You just missed the big grub explanation
[08:50] <DaSkreech> !grub
[08:50] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[08:50] <DaSkreech> There you go
[08:50] <halfbloodprince> aseigo: yeah, gimp and inkscape are excellent programs, and i'm just as comfortable using them as i am photoshop or illustrator... thing is, the problem for me happens when i'm collaborating with other designers who use windows.. the file types are not compatible
[08:50] <copter> aseigo: any other ideas?
[08:50] <aseigo> halfbloodprince: note that i didn't say "gimp" ;)
[08:51] <DaSkreech> surgy: You can grab it for free
[08:51] <surgy> daskreech "you can pull the cvs for free i think" care to elaborate?
[08:51] <surgy> source though right?
[08:51] <DaSkreech> halfbloodprince: We need a OpenArtDocuemnt :)
[08:51] <deeo> c'mon admit that's cool
[08:51] <aseigo> halfbloodprince: i've lost faith in gimp becoming what we need to topple photoshop. it can take out paintshoppro. i think krita is a much more realistic contender for the photoshop throne
[08:51] <DaSkreech> surgy: Yup
[08:51] <halfbloodprince> aseigo: yeah.. heh.. noted.. i'm just saying.. until there is some program which can save a file as PSD properly, then i will be happy
[08:51] <surgy> i hate compiling more than sawing at my foot with a hack saw
[08:51] <deeo> surgy: 99% 64-bit coverage in linux
[08:51] <deeo> sexy
[08:51] <DaSkreech> aseigo: based on what?
[08:52] <aseigo> copter: hm.. ok, just do this then: ps aux | grep bash
[08:52] <aseigo> copter: assuming bash is your login
[08:52] <aseigo> DaSkreech: based on the following:
[08:52] <aseigo> a) it has a more photoshoppy interface
[08:52] <copter> aseigo: yes, checking that...
[08:53] <DaSkreech> surgy: can't kill you to ask them in the channel in any case
[08:53] <halfbloodprince> holy crap.. krita has cmyk support? awesome
[08:53] <aseigo> b) it was designed to support things like multiple colours spaces -from the beginning-, so we have proper colour spaces as req'd for professional editting in krita while they still don't exist in gimp
[08:53] <copter> aseigo: nothing there, only pts logins
[08:53] <aseigo> copter: can you pastebin the output of `ps aux` and i can look at it?
[08:54] <aseigo> c) it's developing at a stupid clip ... things like the clone + perspective video released recently just blow my mind
[08:54] <halfbloodprince> aseigo: is there any way to convert photoshop brushes into the krita brush format? just like you get scripts to convert photoshop brushes to gimp brushes
[08:55] <aseigo> ah, another example for (b) are "filter layers" which are layers that contain a filter... which then updates in real time as you change the layer it's actually applied to
[08:55] <aseigo> copter: ok, that's -like- pastebin, but not really. pastebin.com in future =)
[08:55] <surgy> ok so i open adept(sudo adept) and search "wine" lol come up with libwine but not the actual program for wine
[08:56] <DaSkreech> It's there
[08:56] <DaSkreech> me thinks you don't have universe or multiverse
[08:56] <surgy> then why didnt search pick it up?
[08:56] <copter> aseigo: sorry, not using irc often
[08:56] <aseigo> halfbloodprince: not at this point, no. i expect such conversion tools to arrive once krita becomes more mature. apps tend to develop to maturity first and then get compatibility features.
[08:57] <surgy> daskreech i un commented them both
[08:57] <DaSkreech> And did a fetch updates?
[08:57] <halfbloodprince> hmm.. okay.. certainly looks promising, though
[08:57] <halfbloodprince> brb
[08:57] <aseigo> ditto for illustrator and inkscape
[08:57] <surgy> daskreech walk me through it again? just to make sure?
[08:57] <MetaMorfoziS> can i s et the X default background?
[08:57] <MetaMorfoziS> that is interferes my monitor
[08:57] <DaSkreech> Alt+Space -> adept
[08:57] <surgy> daksreech: your above surgys little newbie head lol
[08:58] <ugo> CIAO
[08:58] <DaSkreech> aseigo: Any heads up On Multi user editing in kate?
[08:58] <ugo> qualche italiano?
[08:58] <DaSkreech> !it
[08:58] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[08:58] <DaSkreech> surgy: Adept menu _> Manage repos
[08:58] <surgy> daskreech what is the directory that the sources.list is in by defualt?
[08:58] <ugo> grazie
[08:58] <osiris>  /etc/apt
[08:59] <surgy> gotcha
[09:00] <surgy> ok which lines should be uncommented? im just dopuble checking
[09:02] <surgy> yeah it says uncoment the following two lines to add software form 'backports'
[09:02] <osiris> what ever repo's you want
[09:02] <osiris> i got lots uncommented, plus a few added from other sites
[09:02] <surgy> they dont have #
[09:02] <surgy> but they are light grey
[09:03] <osiris> pastebin the file
[09:04] <surgy> i cant pastbin or even copy from adept/manage repos
[09:04] <osiris> no, from the sources.list finle
[09:04] <osiris> file
[09:04] <surgy> if you whould kindly give me the defualt directory
[09:04] <BluesKaj> use yer text editor
[09:04] <surgy> i whould if i had the directory
[09:05] <osiris>  /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:05] <surgy> ok kewl
[09:06] <surgy> ok fixed
[09:06] <surgy> opened the backports still no wine
[09:07] <surgy> and i fetched updates
[09:07] <lupine_85> !wine
[09:07] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[09:07] <lupine_85> !iinfo wine
[09:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about iinfo wine - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:07] <lupine_85> !info wine
[09:07] <ubotu> wine: Microsoft Windows Compatibility Layer (Binary Emulator and Library). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.9-0ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 8578 kB, installed size 40460 kB
[09:07] <lupine_85> fuzzy fingers today :)
[09:08] <surgy> lupine_85 i allready knew there website and what it is, but you see its not in my repos, so how am i supposed to get it!!!
[09:08] <lupine_85> that's the point - it is in the repos
[09:08] <surgy> not mine
[09:08] <lupine_85> just add universe to your list of repos
[09:08] <surgy> umm
[09:08] <osiris> surgy, i have a seperate wine repo in my sources.list file
[09:08] <lupine_85> unless you're not using (K)Ubuntu, it's in there
[09:09] <osiris> i think it is the official wine repo off the wine site.
[09:10] <DaSkreech> surgy: Look for the http://jm.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe line
[09:10] <dusty_> Hey guys I am running kubuntu, and whenever i have my speakers switched on and im typing in the console of KDE, and like a system sound is started, it repeats itself and keeps on going sounds awfull (sound is really messy) i can play music fine.. any ideas?
[09:10] <pussfeller> do the voice activated commands in kcmshell really work
[09:10] <DaSkreech> surgy: make sure that's not commented out
[09:10] <lupine_85> dusty_: I would disable arts (it's disabled now!) but that's only a workaround really
[09:10] <dusty_> ok
[09:10] <dusty_> how do i do that?
[09:11] <BluesKaj> DaSkreech, is commented mean # in front ?
[09:11] <dusty_> Also what would I use as an alternative?
[09:11] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: Right that would be commented out
[09:11] <lupine_85> Just System Settings->Multimedia (I think), and untick the "Enable the sound server" box
[09:11] <lupine_85> you don't actually need an alternative - it just sits on top of ALSA
[09:11] <lupine_85> (so you can continue to use ALSA everywhere :) )
[09:11] <surgy> osirus i pasted my sources.list for ya
[09:12] <lupine_85> most things will autodetect
[09:12] <david_> salut
[09:12] <david_> hi
[09:12] <BluesKaj> DaSkreech, ?..confusing answer
[09:12] <surgy> osirus you get that?
[09:12] <lupine_85> # is a comment
[09:12] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: Yes :)
[09:13] <BluesKaj> why do they comment anyway if it impedes the upgrade of fetching of wanted files
[09:14] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: Some of it is legal
[09:15] <surgy> umm?
[09:15] <surgy> osirus?
[09:15] <surgy> osiris?
[09:15] <osiris> yes ?
[09:15] <surgy> did you get that pm?
[09:15] <osiris> ah yes.  my mistake
[09:16] <surgy> np
[09:16] <ryan_> anyone know a good avi converter
[09:16] <surgy> any comments on that one?
[09:16] <coffee> hi all :)
[09:16] <osiris> other than its only part of the whole file ?
[09:17] <surgy> osiris: i opened it in oppen office writer and thats a complete paste
[09:17] <osiris> one moment
[09:18] <osiris> http://rafb.net/paste/results/uDntc777.nln.html
[09:19] <osiris> surgy, that one is mine
[09:20] <osiris> there are a few cumstom things in there that might not be stable on your system, so i advise against just trying to use that list
[09:21] <surgy> osiris lol i whouldnt dare, pmed you
[09:22] <osiris> i'm not upset, but just for future reference, it's not polite to pm people without asking.  just a note
[09:24] <surgy> osiris i know sorry about that
[09:24] <osiris> just trying to save you future grief
[09:24] <surgy> but anyways my sources.list is way shorter than yours
[09:24] <surgy> osiris yeah
[09:24] <surgy> apreciate it
[09:25] <surgy> why is my sources.list so short ?
[09:25] <NthDegree> surgy: it only needs the lines starting with deb or deb-src
[09:25] <osiris> probably cause you never added any new sources to it, other than the default
[09:25] <NthDegree> all the lines with # at the begining are comments
[09:26] <surgy> nthdegree: yeah but compared with osiris's mine is incredibly short and i still cant get wine to show up in adept, and i know its there.....
[09:27] <surgy> osiris: lol duh....
[09:27] <NthDegree> wine isn't in the ubuntu repos is it?
[09:27] <supernix>  /uptime
[09:27] <supernix> Uptime: 12 days, 12 hours and 59 minutes
[09:27] <NthDegree> you need to go on winehq.org
[09:27] <surgy> ok whats the wine repo?
[09:27] <NthDegree> and add their repo
[09:27] <NthDegree> surgy, go look it up
[09:27] <surgy> will do
[09:27] <NthDegree> it's on winehq.org
[09:28] <osiris> surgy, you can grab the repos from my list that you want to use.  get the wine one, and you should be done
[09:30] <grizzly> possible to write a script to hibernate without entering a password?
[09:30] <grizzly> like currently to hibernate I first have to type "sudo hibernate" ; then password.
[09:31] <surgy> thnx osiris
[09:31] <grizzly> or atleast something(probably with kdialog) to prompt for a password
[09:32] <fdoving> grizzly: you can use 'kdesu' instead of sudo to prompt for password.
[09:32] <surgy> osisir what about doomsday games? will that one work out good?
[09:32] <Pointblank> hey all
[09:33] <grizzly> fdoving: hey thanks, that worked!
[09:33] <Pointblank> how do edit the kmenu, like remove programs from it?
[09:33] <osiris> surgy, you can try it, but i think i commented it out, cause the repo was offline
[09:34] <fdoving> Pointblank: rightclick on the kmenu icon and edit.
[09:34] <DaSkreech> NthDegree: It is in the repos
[09:34] <DaSkreech> an old version though
[09:34] <Pointblank> haha yeh it was locked so that menu didnt come up
[09:34] <surgy> osiris did you coment the wine repo?
[09:34] <osiris> yes
[09:34] <osiris> same situation i believe
[09:35] <DaSkreech> deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt dapper main
[09:35] <DaSkreech> surgy: use that line
[09:35] <surgy> ok thnx
[09:36] <surgy> and then apt-get update and i should be good right?
[09:36] <osiris> apt-get update && suod apt-install wine
[09:37] <osiris> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install wine
[09:38] <surgy> Err http://wine.budgetdedicated.com dapper/main Packages
[09:38] <surgy>   404 Not Found
[09:38] <surgy> E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[09:38] <BluesKaj> I get a whole lot of errors when updating the sources list in the cmd line ...to do with GPG errors like this: W: GPG error: http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com dapper Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 40976EAF437D05B5
[09:38] <DaSkreech> can You ping it?
[09:39] <DaSkreech> Ahh you may need a key
[09:39] <surgy> still no wine
[09:39] <surgy> wtf....
[09:40] <osiris> surgy, i just pm'ed a paste directly from wine's website
[09:40] <surgy> ok
[09:40] <BluesKaj> where  DaSkreech ?
[09:41] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: Those came with kubuntu by default?
[09:41] <BluesKaj> i got those from source - o matic
[09:41] <DaSkreech> osiris: Should have asked him first :)
[09:42] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: They have the key on the sourceomatic site
[09:42] <osiris> lol.
[09:44] <BluesKaj> gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv KEY
[09:44] <BluesKaj>       gpg --export --armor KEY | sudo apt-key add -
[09:45] <DaSkreech> Yup
[09:47] <fat_tuesday> hi y'all
[09:48] <DaSkreech> Hello
[09:49] <BluesKaj> DaSkreech, where do i add the receive key lines ...not working , still getting the same errors ?
[09:51] <DaSkreech> Well I think that you need to have a URL or a Key there
[09:51] <Pointblank> is aegis virus scanner any good?
[09:51] <DaSkreech>  The source-o-matic gives you an URL or a Public key?
[09:51] <BluesKaj> neither, just the cmnds i listed
[09:52] <DaSkreech> KEY is not the word KEY
[09:54] <DaSkreech> surgy: have you ttried?
[09:54] <surgy> ?
[09:54] <DaSkreech> ping the winebudget url
[09:54] <ejder_> hi
[09:55] <ejder_> is there any problems with ubuntu.org?
[09:55] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: the gpg key is beneath each repos
[09:57] <phoenix_036> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI  <--- that does not work in Kubuntu?
[09:57] <DaSkreech> Should
[09:58] <phoenix_036> didnt the two times I tried it >< worked when I was on the original Ubuntu dist. tho
[09:59] <DaSkreech> without gedit of course :)
[10:00] <phoenix_036> well what can i write instead? Im a complete newbie
[10:00] <DaSkreech> kdesu kate
[10:02] <BluesKaj> phoenix_036, have you tried , system settings/hardware/display/admin mode/hardware/configure ,then in the dropdown list you'll see the drivers choose "fglrx" ATI Radeon
[10:03] <BluesKaj> bbiab
[10:03] <halfbloodprince> yay by this time tomorrow i should be on linux
[10:04] <DaSkreech> Downloading Linux on a 56k? :-)
[10:04] <fat_tuesday> does anyone know how i can get a persistant home in dapper?
[10:04] <devian> hi
[10:04] <lupine_85> fat_tuesday: the livecd?
[10:04] <halfbloodprince> 64k :p
[10:04] <Kr4t05> Blah...
[10:04] <lupine_85> halfbloodprince: is that ISDN?
[10:04] <fat_tuesday> lupine_58 - yep
[10:05] <lupine_85> over here, it's overpriced :(
[10:05] <fat_tuesday> oops, 85
[10:05] <lupine_85> mmm, I'm not that old ;)
[10:05] <devian> is this the channel for ultra noobs?
[10:05] <fat_tuesday> heh
[10:05] <Kr4t05> !noob > devian
[10:05] <lupine_85> about all you can do really is create a /home on a USB key and mount that on boot
[10:05] <DaSkreech> devian: Yes
[10:05] <Kr4t05> ;)
[10:05] <devian> cause i have some noobistic questions
[10:05] <aseigo> devian: no, only 3rd level noobs
[10:05] <DaSkreech> !noob
[10:05] <ubotu> Words like noob, jfgi, stfu or rtfm are not welcome in this channel. Period.
[10:05] <DaSkreech> !n00b
[10:05] <lupine_85> hmm. how about n00b ?
[10:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about n00b - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:05] <lupine_85> lol
[10:06] <aseigo> boob?
[10:06] <DaSkreech> hahahaha
[10:06] <DaSkreech> I win
[10:06] <halfbloodprince> lupine_85: cable internet
[10:06] <devian> hah
[10:06] <DaSkreech> !ask
[10:06] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[10:06] <devian> k
[10:06] <devian> i just loaded kubuntu...   how do i set up root?
[10:06] <lupine_85> I have ADSL instead  :)
[10:06] <halfbloodprince> ah
[10:06] <DaSkreech> !root
[10:06] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[10:06] <fat_tuesday> thx lupine - i'll give it a try
[10:06] <lupine_85> devian: usually you don't need to - use sudo (console) or kdesu (GUI) on a per-app basis
[10:06] <DaSkreech> devian: read thatpage
[10:07] <mrj> hi people
[10:07] <mrj> i have downlaoded the linux kernel source
[10:07] <devian> k...  reading....   brbr
[10:07] <mrj> but i now need the linux kernel headers
[10:07] <mrj> where can i find them
[10:07] <lupine_85> if you want a root account, just set the password - sudo passwd
[10:07] <lupine_85> it's useful in case you break sudo, if nothing else
[10:08] <halfbloodprince> is there any place where i can see a jpg/png of the kubuntu cd cover?
[10:08] <lupine_85> package linux-header-`uname -r`
[10:08] <mrj> !headers
[10:08] <ubotu> To install the Linux (kernel) headers, open a terminal and: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) To install headers for libraries, you need the accompanying -dev packages
[10:08] <devian> thx lupine
[10:08] <mrj> aber apt-get shows only old kernels
[10:08] <mrj> i need 2.6.17.13
[10:08] <mrj> and with apt-get i can get only 2.6.15.26
[10:09] <lupine_85> mrj: won't happen. Use your kernel source tree directly
[10:09] <mrj> what do you mean
[10:09] <mrj> what should i use
[10:10] <mrj> waht won't happen ?
[10:10] <mrj> lupine_85:
[10:10] <mrj> lupine_85: how ... directly ?
[10:10] <lupine_85> when it asks for kernel headers, enter the path to the kernel sources you used to make your custom kernel
[10:10] <lupine_85> where did you store your kernel sources?
[10:11] <mrj> in /usr/src/
[10:11] <lupine_85> ubuntu can't package every possible configuration permutation for you
[10:11] <lupine_85> you unpacked the source to build your kernel, so you should know where you unpacked it to
[10:11] <mrj> yes
[10:11] <mrj> in /usr/src/
[10:12] <lupine_85> that's what you use then
[10:12] <lupine_85> halfbloodprince: all I can find is a picture of kubuntu 5.10 cd cover
[10:12] <lupine_85> http://jriddell.org/photos/2005-07-12-paul-kubuntu.jpg :)
[10:12] <halfbloodprince> lupine_85: i'm on google image search.. found a few..
[10:12] <halfbloodprince> thanks
[10:12] <halfbloodprince> :)
[10:13] <mrj> lupine_85: what about my kernel headers
[10:13] <lupine_85> mrj: I just explained it to you
[10:13] <mrj> lupine_85: i ve idownloaded the linux kernel source from kernel.org and unpacked it in /usr/src
[10:13] <lupine_85> TBH if you don't know the answer yourself, you should just stick to the default kernel
[10:13] <DaSkreech> lupine_85: What would Jesus Download?
[10:13] <aseigo> porn
[10:14] <lupine_85> hardcore porn, persumably
[10:14] <lupine_85> snap
[10:14] <lupine_85> ;)
[10:14] <aseigo> and mp3s and movies.
[10:14] <lupine_85> probably be a big fan of Dogma
[10:14] <aseigo> jesus would turn dialup into broadband
[10:14] <mrj> lupine_85: and what ws the explanation
[10:14] <BluesKaj> it would be greek to jesus
[10:14] <aseigo> and always have more seeders than leachers on his torrents
[10:14] <lupine_85> [21:12]  <lupine_85> that's what you use then
[10:15] <mrj> lupine_85: could you be more detailed please
[10:15] <mrj> i did not catch it
[10:15] <BluesKaj> Jesus would turn Bill Gates to open source
[10:15] <lupine_85> your kernel headers directory is the same as your kernel source directory
[10:16] <mrj> ah
[10:16] <mrj> you mean they are included ?
[10:16] <mrj> in the downloaded kernel source ?
[10:16] <lupine_85> no, they are the same thing
[10:16] <mrj> ah
[10:16] <mrj> am i stupid
[10:16] <mrj> :)
[10:16] <lupine_85> headers are a pared down version of the sources :)
[10:16] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: Giving IS better than recieving
[10:17] <mrj> that's why i could not find them on the web :)
[10:17] <mrj> i ve be able only to find the sources
[10:17] <mrj> :)
[10:17] <mrj> i was able*
[10:17] <BluesKaj> exactly DaSkreech :)
[10:18] <mrj> lupine_85: then why am i becoming an strange error when i type make menuconfig
[10:18] <mrj> mrj@HPnx6325:/usr/src/linux-2.6.17.13$ sudo make menuconfig
[10:18] <mrj>   HOSTCC  scripts/basic/fixdep
[10:18] <mrj> scripts/basic/fixdep.c:105:23: error: sys/types.h: No such file or directory
[10:18] <mrj> scripts/basic/fixdep.c:106:22: error: sys/stat.h: No such file or directory
[10:18] <mrj> scripts/basic/fixdep.c:107:22: error: sys/mman.h: No such file or directory
[10:18] <lupine_85> !pastebin
[10:18] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[10:18] <devian> ok...  i've used sudo before....  what i'm trying to do is mount a hard drive
[10:19] <BluesKaj> then Bill would give ALL his money away and make windows source code available for free so windows could be fixed properly
[10:19] <lupine_85> presumably, your kernel source directory is broken
[10:19] <mrj> lupine_85:  i got it i will use pastebin in the future
[10:19] <lupine_85> or you could try without the sudo
[10:19] <grizzly> Anyone installed submount here?
[10:20] <devian> lupine:   ok...  i've used sudo before....  what i'm trying to do is mount a hard drive
[10:20] <lupine_85> is it in your fstab?
[10:21] <devian> what and where is fstab?
[10:21] <lupine_85>  /etc/fstab
[10:21] <devian> k
[10:21] <lupine_85> it lets you specify various options for your mountable devices
[10:21] <lupine_85> if it's just a one-off, you can specify it all on the command line
[10:22] <devian> not there
[10:22] <lupine_85> if /etc/fstab doesn't exist, then you're in bigger trouble than you know
[10:22] <devian> i'm trying to look at my xp hard drive
[10:22] <lupine_85> it's created by the installer
[10:22] <lupine_85> ntfs?
[10:22] <DaSkreech> devian: Check in /media
[10:23] <DaSkreech> Sometimes it automounts :)
[10:23] <devian> k
[10:23] <devian> lupine the folder exists,  but that drive i'm interested in mouniting is not there
[10:24] <lupine_85> ok, so sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/<devicefile> /media/<mountpoint>
[10:24] <Alextremo> devian: Alt+space bar.....and write fstab
[10:26] <devian> katapult ?  ok i did it
[10:26] <Alextremo> what did you want mount ?
[10:26] <devian> my xp hard drive
[10:27] <devian> my error is     mount cant find device in fstab or media    'or somethig like that
[10:27] <surgy> well i have some good news and i have some bad news
[10:27] <surgy> and i have some horrible news
[10:28] <surgy> good news, i got cedega
[10:28] <surgy> bad news it wont work
[10:28] <surgy> horrible news i have to downgrade to i386 :(
[10:28] <surgy> seeya in about 3 hours when its done
[10:28] <surgy> bye bye
[10:28] <surgy> oh and i have to go with gnome.....
[10:29] <surgy> IKKKKK!
[10:29] <surgy> ick
[10:29] <surgy> but whateva
[10:29] <surgy> seeya
[10:29] <devian> anyone know of a voice chat channel for beginner ubuntu help?
[10:30] <jason-hoss> Not that I am aware of devian
[10:30] <devian> ok
[10:30] <Kr4t05> *sigh*
[10:31] <jason-hoss> What kind of help are you looking for Devian
[10:31] <red> can anyone recomend a good karamba that especially shows temp
[10:32] <lupine_85_xp> wow, vmware is impressive :)
[10:32] <lupine_85> hehe
[10:33] <red> i want one with the same features that nhc for windows has
[10:33] <red> notebook hardware control
[10:33] <devian> jason-hoss  i've been fooling around with ubuntu, now i'm tring out kubuntu...   i thought it would be easier, but some things are done differently
[10:33] <devian> so it's confusing
[10:34] <devian> i'm a long time windows user and i'm trying to make the jump to linux
[10:34] <VenomousGecko> Yes...Kubuntu uses the same underlying packages, but the interface is different
[10:34] <devian> so there's tons o things that i'm used to being able to do that i need to relearn on linux distros\
[10:35] <devian> right the interface...
[10:35] <VenomousGecko> How long have you been using Linux?
[10:35] <devian> like i' m  trying to hook up my hard drives so i can see them
[10:35] <elia_> somebody help to configure a printer
[10:35] <VenomousGecko> Okay...external or internal HD?
[10:35] <elia_> help me
[10:36] <devian> i'm trying to configure the update manager so i can see stuff lilke vmware
[10:36] <elia_> my system preference does not work
[10:36] <devian> internal;
[10:36] <VenomousGecko> What is the filesystem you are using on the internal HD's?
[10:36] <devian> it's not listed in fstab
[10:36] <VenomousGecko> Windows (NTFS or FAT?)
[10:36] <devian> ext3
[10:36] <devian> oh
[10:36] <devian>  ntfs
[10:37] <VenomousGecko> Okay...so you installed Kubuntu on one HD with fs ext3, right?
[10:37] <devian> i'm using the icon so i can see mouinted/unmounted hdd
[10:37] <VenomousGecko> ...and you want to put a drive in your machine that you are using/used for windows, right?
[10:37] <devian> no, kubunt is sharing a hd with ubuntu...   my xp hd is a seperate one
[10:38] <VenomousGecko> Okay..but the drive you cannot see in Kubuntu is NTFS right?
[10:38] <grizzly> getting a lil make error when compiling submount : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23164 - any solutions plz
[10:38] <devian> yes ntfs
[10:38] <VenomousGecko> Okay, what does your NTFS file look like?
[10:38] <VenomousGecko> Not NTFS
[10:38] <VenomousGecko> sorry...
[10:39] <devian> np
[10:39] <VenomousGecko> "/etc/fstab"
[10:39] <devian> it's not listed in there
[10:39] <VenomousGecko> My mind is elsewhere :P
[10:39] <devian> np  lol;
[10:39] <VenomousGecko> Okay...do you know how to add it in there?
[10:39] <devian> please tell me
[10:39] <grizzly> my kernel is suspend2 patched one btw, cld that make a difference?
[10:40] <VenomousGecko> you want to type the following in one line
[10:40] <VenomousGecko> "/dev/hdx /mnt/windows ntfs defaults 0 0"
[10:40] <elia_> kubuntu
[10:41] <devian> type where?
[10:41] <VenomousGecko> where x in dev\/hdx is the hd partition number
[10:41] <VenomousGecko> in "/etc/fstab"
[10:41] <devian> am i using a command console?
[10:41] <devian> that's what i
[10:41] <devian> mean
[10:42] <VenomousGecko> are you familiar with the editor vi?
[10:42] <devian> i'm a little lost
[10:42] <devian> i've heard mention\
[10:42] <devian> never used it
[10:42] <VenomousGecko> Okay...we will stay away from it then because that is going to be another thing that takes time to learn
[10:42] <devian> k
[10:42] <VenomousGecko> It is a app from the old UNIX days that many people using kubuntu are not familiar with
[10:43] <VenomousGecko> What text editor are you used to?
[10:43] <devian> ya ok
[10:43] <VenomousGecko> Maybe kate or kedit?
[10:43] <devian> in linux?  none really
[10:43] <devian> i mean i'll try anything
[10:43] <devian> what do you suggest?
[10:43] <VenomousGecko> okay, open konsole and type kate
[10:43] <lupine_85> nano is an easy-to-use console editor
[10:43] <VenomousGecko> if your system does not have that, then type kedit
[10:44] <devian> i have it
[10:44] <VenomousGecko> lupine, he is from the Windows camp and might not be used to console based text editors
[10:44] <VenomousGecko> you have kate?
[10:44] <red> im using a karamba, everything works except for the section that is supposed to show temperatures, how do i get that to work
[10:44] <devian> ok i have bothe nano and kate
[10:45] <devian> either is fine with me\
[10:45] <VenomousGecko> Okay...for now use kate
[10:45] <devian> k
[10:45] <VenomousGecko> so at the command prompt type sudo kate "/etc/fstab" without the quotes
[10:46] <devian> done
[10:46] <VenomousGecko> Okay, at the bottom of the file add what I said above
[10:47] <VenomousGecko>  "/dev/hdx /mnt/windows ntfs defaults 0 0"
[10:47] <VenomousGecko> but you must create the directory /mnt/windows before you attempt to mount this file system
[10:47] <VenomousGecko> you can create whatever you want and mount it there, i just chose /mnt/windows
[10:47] <VenomousGecko> feel free to mount anywhere you want however
[10:48] <devian> i don't understand what the next step is
[10:49] <VenomousGecko> So you see the file in kate right
[10:49] <devian> at the bottom of what file?
[10:49] <devian> hmmm
[10:49] <VenomousGecko> and it has information in it like /dev/hd0 / ext3.....
[10:49] <VenomousGecko> looks something like this....
[10:50] <VenomousGecko> # /etc/fstab: static file system information.
[10:50] <VenomousGecko> #
[10:50] <VenomousGecko> # <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
[10:50] <VenomousGecko> proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
[10:50] <VenomousGecko> /dev/hda1       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[10:50] <devian> i'm sorry , i don't see a file...   are just trying to navigate to the fstab foler?
[10:50] <VenomousGecko> Okay...were you in console when you launched kate?
[10:50] <VenomousGecko> or did you pick it from the K menu?
[10:50] <devian> consloe
[10:51] <VenomousGecko> so did you type ....... $ sudo kate /etc/fstab   ?
[10:51] <devian> yes
[10:51] <VenomousGecko> do you see a file loaded into kate
[10:52] <VenomousGecko> should start with # /etc/fstab: static file system information.
[10:52] <devian> ok  i have it now
[10:52] <devian> ty
[10:52] <red> my cynapses karamba doesnt display any temperatures, how do i fix this
[10:52] <VenomousGecko> Okay....add that line at the bottom
[10:52] <VenomousGecko> "/dev/hdx /mnt/windows ntfs defaults 0 0"
[10:53] <VenomousGecko> you will have to change hdx to whatever your hard drive is at on the system
[10:53] <VenomousGecko> such as /dev/hdb1
[10:54] <devian> ok i add the line  /dev/hdx /mnt/windows ntfs defaults 0 0
[10:54] <VenomousGecko> did you use hdx?
[10:54] <devian> now i have to create /mnt/windows?
[10:54] <lupine_85> change the hdx to something appropriate, and the second 0 to a 1
[10:54] <devian> oops
[10:54] <VenomousGecko> You cannot use that.....x...is a variable
[10:55] <VenomousGecko> for example...the first hard drive on my system is hda
[10:55] <VenomousGecko> and the first partition is 0
[10:55] <devian> i believe it's hdc1
[10:55] <devian> for me
[10:55] <VenomousGecko> so linux refers to HD partitions by using this nomenclature..../dev/hda0
[10:55] <VenomousGecko> Okay...
[10:55] <VenomousGecko> so it should read /dev/hdc1
[10:56] <devian> ok so now i have to create a /mt/windows directory>
[10:56] <VenomousGecko> actually for my example 0=1
[10:56] <VenomousGecko> sorry
[10:56] <VenomousGecko> yes
[10:56] <VenomousGecko> so type sudo mkdir /mnt/windows
[10:56] <devian> in console?
[10:56] <VenomousGecko> yes please
[10:57] <devian> done
[10:57] <VenomousGecko> okay...now just type..in the console.... $ sudo mount /mnt/windows
[10:57] <VenomousGecko> if you receive the prompt back...all is well
[10:57] <VenomousGecko> if you dont...there is a problem and paste the error in here please
[10:57] <squirelribby> does anyone know why I can't receive files in Gaim?  I can send just fine....
[10:58] <devian> warning: no final newline at the end of /etc/fstab
[10:58] <devian> got an warning:     warning: no final newline at the end of /etc/fstab
[10:58] <VenomousGecko> okay...open the file back up with sudo kate /etc/fstab
[10:59] <devian> it's open
[10:59] <lupine_85> warnings are ok, but better add it anyway
[10:59] <VenomousGecko> and then at the end of the last line hit enter
[10:59] <VenomousGecko> then you will not see it next time
[10:59] <devian> omg   ok   lol
[10:59] <VenomousGecko> regardless, you should be able to go to /mnt/windows and you will see your files....
[10:59] <devian> [mntent] : warning: no final newline at the end of /etc/fstab
[10:59] <devian> mount: /dev/hdc1 already mounted or /mnt/windows busy
[10:59] <Admiral_Chicago> VenomousGecko, no
[10:59] <devian> mount: according to mtab, /dev/hdc1 is already mounted on /mnt/window
[11:00] <Admiral_Chicago> bad VenomousGecko
[11:00] <VenomousGecko> What?
[11:00] <Admiral_Chicago> open it with kdesu kate in the run command
[11:00] <VenomousGecko> why bad gecko
[11:00] <obf213> hey i have a log off anomaly
[11:00] <VenomousGecko> 6 of one, half dozen of the other....just another way to do it is all
[11:01] <lupine_85> it mounted the first time round
[11:01] <VenomousGecko> it should already be mounted devian
[11:01] <devian> it looks like it
[11:01] <devian> ok
[11:01] <lupine_85> warning != error :)
[11:01] <VenomousGecko> Can you see your files
[11:01] <devian> lemme try to view
[11:01] <VenomousGecko> just use konqueror to browse to /mnt/windows
[11:01] <Admiral_Chicago> VenomousGecko, that messes up stuff in Ubuntu
[11:01] <obf213> whenever i log off, the screen goes black, like it should, and before it goes tot he the whole power down screen it shows my desktop completely black, bu tthe taskbar is there, but its plain not like the customized one i ahve and a window poops up that says cannot talk to klauncher, then the powerdowwn screen comes on and power down starts/resumes
[11:01] <Admiral_Chicago> don't ask me how to explain it, other people can better than me
[11:02] <devian> nope
[11:02] <VenomousGecko> maybe it is not /dev/hdc1
[11:02] <devian> could not enter folder /mt/windows
[11:02] <devian> ok gotcha
[11:02] <VenomousGecko> oh wait
[11:02] <devian> how do i check on that?
[11:02] <VenomousGecko> you could not enter /mnt/windows?
[11:02] <VenomousGecko> what is the error?
[11:03] <devian> that was the message  'coulld not enter folder /mt/windows
[11:03] <VenomousGecko> mt?
[11:04] <VenomousGecko> or does it say mnt and you made a typo in the chat window?
[11:04] <devian> oops   again
[11:04] <devian> brb
[11:05] <devian> mnt
[11:05] <VenomousGecko> okay...been a while since I have done this...
[11:05] <devian> i have the correct folder   /mnt/windows
[11:05] <VenomousGecko> to test this
[11:06] <devian> when i try to open the windows folder it says i don't have enough permissions
[11:06] <lupine_85> do you have privs to enter the folder?
[11:06] <VenomousGecko> type kdesu (as Admiral wants :) ) konqueror at the run command or from the console
[11:06] <devian> noooo
[11:06] <lupine_85> IIRC by default it mounts as root
[11:06] <lupine_85> easily sorted: add appropriate uid and gid flags to fstab
[11:06] <VenomousGecko> You are right lupine
[11:07] <VenomousGecko> forgot about the uid gid
[11:07] <VenomousGecko> thasnks
[11:07] <VenomousGecko> thanks
[11:07] <devian> ok konquore is open
[11:07] <VenomousGecko> try to browse to /mnt/windows
[11:07] <VenomousGecko> just to see if it mounted properly
[11:07] <VenomousGecko> then we can fix the permissions issue
[11:08] <red> how do i get my temp in the karamba to work
[11:08] <red> its the only part that doesnt work
[11:08] <devian> ok  i can browse with kon
[11:08] <VenomousGecko> do you see what you want?
[11:08] <devian> yes ty
[11:08] <VenomousGecko> okay...now, in order to be able to see it when you are running as you
[11:08] <VenomousGecko> you have to add something to fstab
[11:08] <devian> thatnks all
[11:09] <devian> ook
[11:09] <VenomousGecko> NOPE not done yet devian
[11:09] <devian> kkkk
[11:09] <cLuEdArT> afternoon guys
[11:09] <lupine_85> evening :)
[11:09] <cLuEdArT> heh, or evening
[11:10] <VenomousGecko> Under options...you have to change default to uid=1000,gid=1000 assuming you are the only user on this system
[11:10] <VenomousGecko> so uid=1000,gid=1000.....exactly like that, no spaces
[11:10] <devian> options where?
[11:10] <VenomousGecko>  /etc/fstab
[11:10] <obf213> yo anyone know why my shutdown/restart is wierd
[11:10] <VenomousGecko> kdesu kate /etc/fstab
[11:10] <devian> what app am i using?  kate?
[11:11] <VenomousGecko> yes
[11:11] <obf213> i c a black screen with a default toolbar at the botton and a window thqt says cannot talk to k launcher
[11:11] <cLuEdArT> brb
[11:12] <devian> are you talking about editing this line?
[11:12] <devian> '/dev/hdc1       /mnt/windows     ntfs   defaults       0 0
[11:13] <ulisse_> help
[11:13] <lupine_85> changes defaults to defaults,uid=1000,gid=1000
[11:13] <VenomousGecko> yes
[11:13] <VenomousGecko> exactly
[11:13] <devian> ok
[11:13] <lupine_85> you might want to stick user on the end as well
[11:13] <VenomousGecko> really not needed because he does not have noauto on it
[11:13] <VenomousGecko> it will mount automatically on boot
[11:14] <devian> '
[11:14] <lupine_85> true, but might allow him to unmount it as user?
[11:14] <lupine_85> (I forget if that works or not)
[11:14] <devian> now it looks like this      /dev/hdc1       /mnt/windows     ntfs   defaults,uid=1000,gid=1000      0 0
[11:14] <devian> correct?
[11:14] <VenomousGecko> get rid of defaults
[11:14] <lupine_85> doesn't it need to be pass 1 ?
[11:15] <VenomousGecko> I wouldnt because you dont need fsck checking that partition
[11:15] <devian> like this?  /dev/hdc1       /mnt/windows     ntfs   uid=1000,gid=1000      0 0
[11:15] <devian> doesn't work yet
[11:16] <VenomousGecko> as lupine suggested...add "user" to the end so it should look like this uid=1000,gid=1000,user
[11:16] <devian> k
[11:16] <VenomousGecko> this will allow you to mount and unmount the partition if you want
[11:16] <NthDegree> forgot one
[11:16] <VenomousGecko> without going through sudo or kdesu
[11:16] <NthDegree> you want user,noauto
[11:16] <NthDegree> so it doesn't mount at boot
[11:16] <VenomousGecko> he probably wants to mount at boot
[11:16] <VenomousGecko> I would leave noauto OUT
[11:17] <NthDegree> then no need for user
[11:17] <NthDegree> because it would mount it anyway
[11:17] <VenomousGecko> but he might want to umount it at some point
[11:17] <devian> not working
[11:17] <VenomousGecko> as lupine suggested
[11:18] <VenomousGecko> what is the error devian
[11:18] <devian> access rights
[11:18] <devian> don't have em
[11:18] <VenomousGecko> you have to umount first
[11:18] <VenomousGecko> type this as the command line
[11:18] <VenomousGecko> sudo umount /mnt/windows
[11:18] <VenomousGecko> then type...
[11:19] <VenomousGecko> sudo mount /mnt/windows
[11:19] <VenomousGecko> the "remounting" will then use the new options we just entered into /etc/fstab
[11:20] <devian> ok
[11:20] <devian> it works
[11:20] <VenomousGecko> There ya go!
[11:20] <devian> so if i reboot, will it be persistent or do i have to remount this
[11:20] <VenomousGecko> It will be persistent
[11:21] <alex___> does anyone know the location of c header files in dapper?
[11:21] <devian> and what if i disconnect it,  will there be a problem when i reconnect it?
[11:21] <devian> if i pull the xp drive from my box i mean
[11:21] <VenomousGecko> no problem
[11:21] <devian> cool
[11:22] <VenomousGecko> it will just error out if the drive is not there
[11:22] <devian> k
[11:22] <VenomousGecko> but nothing catastrophic.
[11:22] <devian> i'm gonna go look at what we did and think about it
[11:22] <devian> see if i can mount another by myself
[11:22] <devian> thanks all
[11:23] <Varjat_by> Hi! Can you help me? I have Debian DVD with software. How I can to configure Adept to review packages from this DVD to instal software from it?
[11:24] <DaSkreech> Try apt-cdrom
[11:24] <VenomousGecko> You are welcome
[11:25] <Varjat_by> Ok.. :) but may be you know how i cat configure repository? :) It ofitial Kubuntu doct written how to remove cdrom repository.. But nothing about adding cdrom repository..
[11:26] <lupine_85> apt-cdrom add ...
[11:26] <VenomousGecko> okay, see ya all
[11:30] <Varjat_by> Thanks.. But it is strange.. Nobody use Adept?..
[11:31] <JayC> I dont understand where i shold install
[11:31] <Raul12> i am running kbuntu 6.06 draper draker do i upgrade to Kubuntu 6.10 knot 2 is knot 2 is better ????
[11:31] <Raul12> or reinstall it
[11:31] <DaSkreech> Varjat_by: For?
[11:32] <DaSkreech> Raul12: You run 6.06 and be happy
[11:32] <Varjat_by> Sorry :)
[11:32] <Varjat_by> From the begin:
[11:32] <Raul12> i am happy but new know 2 is better they r tellin
[11:32] <Raul12> knot
[11:32] <JayC> I dont understand where i shuld plase the install patch for Macromedia Flash Player 7 ?
[11:33] <Raul12> usr local     jayC
[11:33] <Varjat_by> I want to configure Adept tool to manage sofware instalation process from DVD-disc with Debian.
[11:33] <DaSkreech> Varjat_by: Right apt-cdrom
[11:33] <Varjat_by> How I can do this?
[11:34] <DaSkreech> apt-cdrom add
[11:34] <Raul12> is knot 2 is better than 6.06 ???
[11:34] <DaSkreech> Raul12: You do understand that Knot 2 is barely running software?
[11:34] <DaSkreech> It's all developer friendly stuff
[11:35] <Raul12> yea its in beta
[11:35] <Varjat_by> Ok..
[11:35] <Varjat_by> thanks.
[11:35] <Raul12> hmm
[11:35] <DaSkreech> Varjat_by: try man apt-cdrom :-)
[11:35] <Raul12>  :|
[11:40] <JayC> Raul12: Ok, but how got activ the function in Konqueror browser after the installation?
[11:42] <Gtrebra> anyone that can help a linux noob whit some questions?
[11:42] <cLuEdArT> ask away
[11:43] <DaSkreech> !ask
[11:43] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:44] <cLuEdArT> heh
[11:44] <Gtrebra> Can i view files on a ntfs disk when i boot up a "live" ubuntu?
[11:47] <cLuEdArT> never tried with the LiveCD.  Go ahead and try, the worst thats gonna happen is you'll have to mount that partition.
[11:47] <cLuEdArT> writing to NTFS though, its trickier
[11:49] <Gtrebra> ok so if i want a xp/ubunto setup whit a shared storaged area it has to be fat or cant it be done?
[11:50] <brownie> fat would be easiest and safest
[11:50] <cLuEdArT> yeah, or ext2.  You can get a plugin for windows that will read/write to ext2
[11:50] <cLuEdArT> the only problem with FAT is the size you can address with it
[11:50] <Gtrebra> booted it up now. when i tryed to go to the ntfs partition now. got this msg : error:device /dev/hdc5 is not removable
[11:50] <Gtrebra> error:Coud not execute pmount
[11:50] <cLuEdArT> you can write to ntfs too, you just need to use fuse ntfs-3g
[11:51] <inteliwasp> ok so i was intalling the ATI bianry drivers on my computer, but it does not see my nonitor, and upon reading about it, i need to add modeline commands into the Xorg.conf file, how do i figure out what i need?
[11:53] <cLuEdArT> Gtrebra:  in konsole type:  sudo mount /dev/hdc5 -a
[11:54] <cLuEdArT> i'm not 100% that the livecd would mount that or not
[11:54] <Admiral_Chicago> cLuEdArT, i seem to think it will
[11:54] <Admiral_Chicago> inteliwasp, edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:54] <cLuEdArT> i thought it would too, but was quite sure
[11:55] <Admiral_Chicago> inteliwasp, you'll need to be sudo
[11:55] <cLuEdArT> wan't rather
[11:55] <cLuEdArT> blah, heh
[11:55] <Admiral_Chicago> cLuEdArT, i seem to remember doing it on a liveCD once
[11:55] <cLuEdArT> i know the only thing I tried to mount was my ipod and my thumbdrive
[11:55] <cLuEdArT> and both worked, but both were removable too
[11:56] <josete> buenas
[11:56] <inteliwasp> Admiral_Chicago: is there a way to autodetect the modes?
[11:56] <Admiral_Chicago> cLuEdArT, sudo umount handles unmounting
[11:56] <Raul12> if u install the flash plugin then it will update konqurer  JayC
[11:56] <josete> hello
[11:56] <Admiral_Chicago> inteliwasp, for your monitor?
[11:56] <Raul12> automically
[11:56] <josete> speacspanis?
[11:56] <inteliwasp> Admiral_Chicago: yes, considering it's a laptop...
[11:56] <cLuEdArT> Admiral_Chicago, i realize that.
[11:56] <josete> gay
[11:56] <Admiral_Chicago> Raul12, no he needs to scan for a change in Konqueror before hand
[11:57] <Admiral_Chicago> inteliwasp, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:57] <Admiral_Chicago> is the command
[11:57] <DaSkreech> !es
[11:57] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[11:57] <Admiral_Chicago> run it in a terminas
[11:58] <DaSkreech> Bye bye
[11:58] <Raul12> bye
[11:59] <Admiral_Chicago> inteliwasp, it should auto recognize
[12:04] <DjStiky> Can someone help me with a issue.. When I try to set my WEP key in KDE, it asks me for root password. I never set one. What do I do?
[12:04] <Gtrebra> thx for your help guys will be back tomorrow to try some more gtg now
[12:04] <Admiral_Chicago> DjStiky, its your log in password
[12:04] <DjStiky> it doesnt work
[12:04] <DjStiky> My login password is no good for that
[12:05] <DjStiky> I have 1 user, which is me.. and it belongs to a group with the same name as my username
[12:06] <DjStiky> Some things.. it asks me for a password, my login pass works. But other things ask for root password, and I never set one up during install
[12:06] <DjStiky> never even asked me
[12:06] <Admiral_Chicago> DjStiky, hype sudo...
[12:06] <Admiral_Chicago> err type sudo
[12:06] <Admiral_Chicago> is that what you are doing
[12:06] <DjStiky> sudo for the pass?
[12:06] <Admiral_Chicago> no
[12:07] <DjStiky> ok so in terminal session
[12:07] <Admiral_Chicago> as in type sudo before the command
[12:07] <Admiral_Chicago> DjStiky, correct
[12:07] <DjStiky> I'm using the GUI..that's why. I dont know what the command is to bring the wep configuration window up
[12:08] <DjStiky> I'm really a newbie when it comes to linux. Sorry if it sounds like stupid questions
[12:08] <Admiral_Chicago> DjStiky, its oay
[12:08] <Admiral_Chicago> but no, the only password you set is the log in password
[12:08] <DjStiky> exactly
[12:09] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm
[12:09] <Admiral_Chicago> hold an asuc
[12:09] <DjStiky> so when I go to System Settings most of the features there require me to press the Administration rights button on the bottom
[12:09] <DjStiky> when I press that button, it asks me for root password