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| lifeless | Sp4rKy: what do you want to do ? | 12:15 |
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| Sp4rKy | lifeless, mainly, i want added my own package to a LP team | 12:16 |
| Sp4rKy | but packages are not in ubuntu but in a personal repository | 12:16 |
| lifeless | the source for the packages, or the binaries ? | 12:17 |
| Sp4rKy | so i think i can't added them and link them to their maintainers , right ? | 12:17 |
| Sp4rKy | twice | 12:17 |
| lifeless | well I dont understand quite what you are talking about yet | 12:17 |
| Sp4rKy | ok .. | 12:17 |
| Sp4rKy | so, i've create a team on launchpad | 12:17 |
| Sp4rKy | this team provide a repository for E17 | 12:18 |
| lifeless | that will be at sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~TEAMNAME/PRODUCT | 12:18 |
| lifeless | where TEAMNAME is your team name | 12:18 |
| Sp4rKy | i want add the packages which are on this repository on lp , link this with their maintainers | 12:19 |
| Sp4rKy | ok | 12:19 |
| lifeless | and PRODUCT is the e17 product name in launchpad | 12:19 |
| lifeless | whatever that is | 12:19 |
| Sp4rKy | can't i add the package with an other way than bazaar ? | 12:19 |
| lifeless | this is what I dont understand | 12:19 |
| lifeless | packages != bazaar | 12:19 |
| lifeless | when you say 'package' what *precisely* do you mean | 12:20 |
| Sp4rKy | yes i know | 12:20 |
| Sp4rKy | source packages and binary packages | 12:20 |
| lifeless | ok, nothing to do with bazaar directly. Ubuntu uses Bazaar to manage the *source* for the source package | 12:20 |
| Sp4rKy | if it is possible, i want added them to lp without using bazaar, | 12:20 |
| Sp4rKy | lifeless, yes, but can i add my packages without bazaar to lp | 12:21 |
| lifeless | I think you probably need to talk with #ubuntu-motu | 12:21 |
| Sp4rKy | i've done | 12:21 |
| lifeless | because I dont understand what 'add packages to lp' /means/ | 12:21 |
| crimsun | it's unclear what you're attempting to do. | 12:21 |
| Sp4rKy | ok | 12:21 |
| Sp4rKy | i explain again | 12:21 |
| lifeless | give me a URL for instance, that you want to have work which does not today | 12:21 |
| Sp4rKy | (i'm sorry i'm french and my english isn't perfect at all) | 12:22 |
| Sp4rKy | i've a repository at edevelop.org | 12:22 |
| Sp4rKy | this repository contains packages for e17 over ubuntu | 12:22 |
| lifeless | what sort of repository ? | 12:22 |
| lifeless | is it an APT repository ? or a bazaar repository ? | 12:23 |
| Sp4rKy | apt repository | 12:23 |
| Sp4rKy | so i would add packages which are on this repository on lp | 12:23 |
| lifeless | what do you mean by 'add packages to lp' | 12:23 |
| Sp4rKy | like it's done with packages which are on ubuntu repository | 12:23 |
| Sp4rKy | lifeless, if i go on my personal lp page , i can see the list of packages i maintain in Ubuntu | 12:24 |
| Sp4rKy | https://launchpad.net/people/maxenced/+packages | 12:24 |
| lifeless | Sp4rKy: ok. now we are getting somewhere. | 12:24 |
| lifeless | that list is made by launchpad scanning the Ubuntu *distribution* | 12:24 |
| Sp4rKy | i would add the packages i maintain on edevelop repository in the same way | 12:25 |
| lifeless | your repository is not scanned by launchpad | 12:25 |
| Sp4rKy | yes i know | 12:25 |
| lifeless | and cannot be at this point | 12:25 |
| Sp4rKy | ok . | 12:25 |
| Sp4rKy | this is my question :) | 12:25 |
| Sp4rKy | so is there any other way for manage my repository on lp ? | 12:26 |
| lifeless | there is a feature in development called personal package archives | 12:26 |
| lifeless | where launchpad will provide build daemons and host the repository | 12:26 |
| Sp4rKy | k (raphink talked me about that) | 12:26 |
| Sp4rKy | lifeless, i don't need host and build daemon, but just manage package/ maintainers | 12:27 |
| lifeless | you should talk to malcc and cprov | 12:28 |
| lifeless | they are the soyuz folk | 12:28 |
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| Sp4rKy | are they sleeping ? | 12:28 |
| lifeless | I cannot say what they are planning to do or not in the future | 12:28 |
| HaDeS | wenas | 12:28 |
| lifeless | malcc is on uk time | 12:28 |
| Sp4rKy | ok | 12:28 |
| lifeless | cprov on brazilian | 12:28 |
| Sp4rKy | :) | 12:28 |
| Sp4rKy | lifeless, ok, so at this time, there is no way to manage packages with lp ? | 12:29 |
| Sp4rKy | even with bazaar ? | 12:29 |
| lifeless | if by package you mean an apt repository the only way is as a distribution | 12:29 |
| lifeless | bazaar is a VCS - see bazaar-vcs.org | 12:29 |
| Sp4rKy | ok | 12:30 |
| Sp4rKy | i'd seen it | 12:30 |
| Sp4rKy | but don't really understand how i can add my apt repository | 12:30 |
| lifeless | bazaar has nothing to do with apt | 12:32 |
| lifeless | I dont know why you keep bring up bazaar at all. | 12:32 |
| lifeless | its for managing *source code* | 12:32 |
| Sp4rKy | k | 12:32 |
| lifeless | you can use it to manage the *source code* you are making | 12:32 |
| Sp4rKy | so i can't manage my repository with lp at this time | 12:32 |
| lifeless | I've already answered that | 12:32 |
| Sp4rKy | lifeless, this is not the idea, | 12:33 |
| lifeless | sorry, I am getting frustrated here | 12:33 |
| Sp4rKy | :) | 12:33 |
| Sp4rKy | sorry | 12:33 |
| Sp4rKy | raphink, said me i can try using bazaar for manage my package | 12:33 |
| lifeless | Asking the question differently will not change the answers I have to give you | 12:33 |
| Sp4rKy | so i try to get more info :) | 12:33 |
| Sp4rKy | lifeless, i kno | 12:33 |
| Sp4rKy | w | 12:33 |
| Sp4rKy | thx for your help | 12:33 |
| LarstiQ | Sp4rKy: yes, for when you work on the debian/ packaging | 12:33 |
| lifeless | bazaar is great for managing the *source code* for your package, but nothing to do with the +packages stuff in launchpad | 12:33 |
| LarstiQ | _not_ for the result of building a .deb | 12:34 |
| Sp4rKy | lifeless, ok | 12:34 |
| oohlaf | lifeless: who can I contact to change a setting in vcs-import setting for a project on LP? | 12:34 |
| lifeless | oohlaf: ddaa | 12:34 |
| LarstiQ | oohlaf: ddaa | 12:34 |
| lifeless | oohlaf: who is on -users and will read it | 12:34 |
| lifeless | but feel free to nag him here | 12:34 |
| oohlaf | oki | 12:34 |
| oohlaf | he's prob asleep now, he is also on CET right? | 12:35 |
| Sp4rKy | lifeless, i'll wait for personal package archive so ... | 12:35 |
| Sp4rKy | thx again | 12:35 |
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| PenguinOfDoom | How do I search the entire bug database? | 12:41 |
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| PenguinOfDoom | oh, found it | 12:42 |
| PenguinOfDoom | launchpad is quite a maze :P | 12:42 |
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| Fujitsu | Nice. | 02:07 |
| HaDeS_hack | nice | 02:07 |
| lifeless | score! | 02:09 |
| lifeless | mpt: which one ? | 02:10 |
| mpt | lifeless, reported bug 59846 about it | 02:10 |
| lifeless | uhm | 02:10 |
| lifeless | it may not be abug | 02:10 |
| lifeless | what bug were you trying to look at | 02:10 |
| Fujitsu | It's probably marked private... | 02:11 |
| mpt | bug 31287 | 02:11 |
| Fujitsu | Erm. | 02:11 |
| lifeless | yup | 02:11 |
| lifeless | its private | 02:11 |
| Fujitsu | I can't see bug 59846. | 02:11 |
| lifeless | and theres no subscribers | 02:11 |
| Fujitsu | Ah. | 02:11 |
| lifeless | other than spiv | 02:11 |
| Fujitsu | It is private... | 02:11 |
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| lifeless | mpt: the security contact for lp is not subscribed to 31287 | 02:12 |
| mpt | So, that's still a bug | 02:12 |
| mpt | The security contact should still be able to view it, right? | 02:12 |
| lifeless | dunno | 02:12 |
| lifeless | it makes sense to me that the security contact should be able to by default | 02:13 |
| lifeless | but if they are unsubscribed, why should they see it anymore ? | 02:13 |
| mpt | Why shouldn't they? | 02:14 |
| lifeless | I asked first ;) | 02:14 |
| mpt | ok | 02:14 |
| mpt | Because letting them see it any more doesn't disclose it to anyone new | 02:15 |
| lifeless | mmm, too much context switching | 02:15 |
| lifeless | do you need access to this bug ? | 02:15 |
| lifeless | I can subscribe the security contact or whatever you need | 02:15 |
| lifeless | after that I' going back to deep hack mode | 02:15 |
| mpt | I can't remember why I tried to open it, and immediate access isn't the point | 02:16 |
| mpt | but thanks for clarifying the issue, I'll update my bug report | 02:16 |
| mpt | yay for Proxy Errors | 02:20 |
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| Ubugtu | New bug: #59846 in malone "Bug 31287 is mysteriously forbidden" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/59846 | 02:41 |
| mpt | lifeless, are you able to kick staging? | 02:46 |
| lifeless | one sec | 02:46 |
| jamesh | lifeless: you should be able to set the productseries branches for bzr on staging.launchpad.net now, btw | 02:57 |
| lifeless | mpt: there are no processes running on staging | 03:06 |
| lifeless | it looks deliberately shutdown | 03:06 |
| lifeless | mpt: is that better ? | 03:12 |
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| mpt | lifeless, not really, https://staging.launchpad.net/ gives me an Oops :-) | 03:15 |
| lifeless | I'm shutting it back down | 03:16 |
| lifeless | stub should look at this, I'm not aware of specific instructions, but I dont have cycles right now to dig into it either | 03:16 |
| mpt | ok, thanks | 03:17 |
| jamesh | you sure it wasn't in the middle of a DB restore? | 03:25 |
| lifeless | fairly, but not completely | 03:28 |
| lifeless | which is why its shutdown again | 03:28 |
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| jamesh | lifeless: hopefully we'll get another report on product-release-finder today | 04:25 |
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| jamesh | spiv: how was the holiday? | 05:02 |
| spiv | jamesh: fun, despite the stitches in the back of my head :) | 05:05 |
| jamesh | ouch | 05:05 |
| WebMaven | spiv: I noticed you were on the list of contributors to SQLOS. | 05:10 |
| WebMaven | spiv: AYT? | 05:11 |
| spiv | Heh, am I? It's been a while... | 05:12 |
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| SEJeff | Can I close a bug in lp if I am not the maintainer? Some glaring ones that I just commented on like this which I am trying to triage: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/31925 | 05:13 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 31925 in compiz "Please package new upstream version" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed] | 05:13 |
| jamesh | SEJeff: if you click on the package name in the "Affects" table at the top, you can change the status | 05:18 |
| SEJeff | jamesh: thankyou | 05:38 |
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| jamesh | spiv: any progress on getting spiv/launchpad/ddaa's-branch-ui merged? | 05:52 |
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| jamesh | stub: would it be possible to see the log of the staging.lp.net product-release-finder runs done in the last few days? | 06:52 |
| jamesh | I'm interested to see if they succeed yet | 06:52 |
| stub | jamesh: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/private/launchpad-error-reports/ | 07:19 |
| stub | The reports are in jubany's nightly.sh | 07:19 |
| stub | https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/private/launchpad-error-reports/Week-of-Mon-20060904/038384.html | 07:20 |
| jamesh | stub: could you approve my subscription to that list? | 07:21 |
| stub | jamesh: done. You might want to turn off mail delivery or subscribe to only the topics you want. | 07:23 |
| jamesh | thanks | 07:23 |
| jamesh | stub: the last run doesn't appear to have been with the latest code. I guess I'll wait til today's run is done | 07:29 |
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| stub | asuka's nightly.sh is running right now | 07:59 |
| stub | product-release-finder.py has been running for two hours now. Hopefully that is a good sign ;) | 07:59 |
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| jamesh | does sound good | 08:00 |
| jamesh | the speed could probably be improved by scanning multiple tarball repos in parallel | 08:02 |
| jamesh | at the moment it is all in a single thread | 08:02 |
| stub | I would have assumed the bottleneck was downloading | 08:09 |
| jamesh | yep | 08:09 |
| jamesh | and I'm sure we could download stuff from ftp.gnome.org and ftp.debian.org in half the time if done in parallel | 08:10 |
| jamesh | given the bandwidth of the datacentre | 08:10 |
| stub | mmm | 08:11 |
| jamesh | anyway, the fact that it hasn't crapped out yet is a good sign that it'll get all the way through | 08:12 |
| stub | Will it only be the initial run that will be slow? | 08:12 |
| stub | (for some value of slow we don't know yet ;) ) | 08:12 |
| jamesh | if it starts with a clean DB every night, yes | 08:13 |
| jamesh | or maybe not if the datacentre proxy caches the files between runs | 08:13 |
| jamesh | once the production DB has some of this data, the staging runs won't be starting with a clean slate | 08:14 |
| jamesh | so should be faster | 08:14 |
| stub | It sounds like speed is probably not an issue then. Doesn't matter if the initial run takes a week if subsequent runs happen in an hour or less. | 08:19 |
| jamesh | the way to test that would be to do another run on staging without a clean DB | 08:21 |
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| stub | morning. Any chance to play on the new server yet? | 08:21 |
| carlos | morning | 08:22 |
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| SteveA | good morning | 08:33 |
| SteveA | stub: http://www.zope.org/Collectors/Zope3-dev/706 seen it? a minor sessions infrastructure bug. | 08:35 |
| stub | Not seen it. I've never worked out how to drive the collector and only have read access anyway. | 08:36 |
| stub | Doesn't look like a problem worth caring about | 08:37 |
| stub | But I can't comment as far as I can see :-( | 08:38 |
| SteveA | hmm | 08:39 |
| SteveA | ask jim for access sometime | 08:39 |
| SteveA | or, maybe they'll be using launchpad by then ;-) | 08:39 |
| SteveA | stub: what do we do nowadays if someone registers a new product, but they didn't mean to do so? | 08:40 |
| stub | We flag it as inactive | 08:40 |
| stub | I don't know if they can do it themselves or not - probably not. | 08:40 |
| stub | (or else people will go around removing products they don't want to use with Launchpad, but we still want the data displayed as a registry) | 08:41 |
| SteveA | there are no bugs, support requests, translations etc. | 08:41 |
| SteveA | just the product and two series | 08:41 |
| stub | Sure. flag it as inactive. | 08:41 |
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| SteveA | ok, done | 08:42 |
| SteveA | what happens to its name? | 08:42 |
| stub | One day we will have the technology to delete the simple cases, but for the time being just flag 'em as inactive. | 08:42 |
| SteveA | I mean, can another product be registered with the same name? | 08:42 |
| stub | name is still taken, so we can rename them at the same time as flagging them inactive if we need it. | 08:42 |
| stub | Eventually, I think we need some sort of garbage collector. eg. Product x has been inactive for 3 months so we can now safely delete all the translations, bugs, series, branches etc. associated with it. | 08:43 |
| stub | Although even that is scary (trashing branches might be too far) | 08:43 |
| SteveA | hmm, I can't rename it, as I can't get to a URL for it | 08:43 |
| stub | ok. So we need to remember to rename first ;0 | 08:44 |
| stub | What name product? I'll do it on the db | 08:44 |
| SteveA | would you rename the inactive product 'firebird' to 'firebird-inactive' ? | 08:44 |
| stub | Done | 08:44 |
| jamesh | or you could reactivate the old product | 08:45 |
| SteveA | ta | 08:48 |
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| SteveA | jamesh: thanks for mailing about the validate() issue. I replied with a couple of things to think about. | 08:49 |
| stub | jamesh: Can't reactivate via the web as the product page gives a 404 ;) | 08:49 |
| SteveA | I haven't really thought them through , though | 08:49 |
| SteveA | I wonder if either of the other options would be easier to write validate() methods for | 08:49 |
| SteveA | and not make the kind of mistake you describe happening | 08:49 |
| stub | actually, that collector bug is valid. If auth credentials are stored in the session and a user walks away from their terminal for a few hours, then it may be possible to visit some urls (ones that cause a transaction abort) using the old auth and obtain a window where the auth credentials remain valid even though in theory the credentials should have expired. | 08:52 |
| jamesh | SteveA: I am not sure a special "missing value" entry in the data dictionary would reduce OOPS reports -- it might just change them from KeyErrors to other errors caused by not checking if the value was the special "missing value" object | 08:57 |
| SteveA | ok | 08:58 |
| SteveA | so in that case, maybe a standard test for forms can be | 08:58 |
| SteveA | - pass into validate() a non-empty non-full dict | 08:58 |
| SteveA | so a dict that doesn't match | 08:59 |
| SteveA | if not D: | 08:59 |
| SteveA | but that doesn't contain anything the validate() method wants | 08:59 |
| jamesh | it'd be pretty easy to add that to the LaunchpadFormView test harness. | 09:00 |
| jamesh | pass in a dictionary of form values, and have it test each combination of present values against the validate() routine | 09:00 |
| jamesh | point out which combinations result in an exception | 09:00 |
| SteveA | nice | 09:01 |
| jamesh | this would be applicable even with the "missing value" object idea -- just replace entries with missing value instead of deleting them | 09:01 |
| SteveA | well, I'm not sure about the value of putting "missing value" into the dict | 09:04 |
| SteveA | that might just encourage people to test for None rather than consulting field.missing_value | 09:05 |
| SteveA | the point is to make a change that prevents the problem you described happening, which doesn't increase what the review team have to do | 09:05 |
| SteveA | I think a standard test harness would help there | 09:05 |
| SteveA | if there is no API change that would help | 09:05 |
| BjornT | there's one api change that i could think of that would help, not sure if things get easier though. | 09:14 |
| BjornT | instead of having a general validate() function, it could be nice to register separate validate functions for each field tuple you want to validate | 09:15 |
| BjornT | so you could say that i want to validate field A and B, and that validate function would only be called if A and B validated properly by themselves. | 09:16 |
| jamesh | that's an interesting idea | 09:16 |
| jamesh | e.g. @validator('owner', 'product', 'name') def validate_branch_name(self, owner, product, name) | 09:16 |
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| BjornT | yeah, something like that. | 09:17 |
| jamesh | the above syntax would also get rid of the direct dict lookups too | 09:18 |
| SteveA | @validator(*ISchema.names()) def validate_schema(names, in, alphabetical, order): | 09:21 |
| SteveA | stub: call? | 09:24 |
| BjornT | i think it would be more intuitive to have the method parameters in the same order as the appear in @validator(...) | 09:25 |
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| === Topic for #launchpad: Developer meeting: Thu 14 Sep, 1200UTC (wiki:MeetingAgenda) | launchpad-users@lists.canonical.com (wiki:MailingLists) | Channel logs: http://tinyurl.com/72w39 | ||
| === Topic (#launchpad): set by mpt at Fri Sep 8 07:38:50 2006 | ||
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| SteveA | BjornT: yes, and that's why my silly example would work (except I forgot the 'self') | 10:19 |
| SteveA | because interface.names() is sorted | 10:19 |
| SteveA | lifeless: is there meant to be a bzr meeting today? | 10:24 |
| BjornT | SteveA: well, interface.names() isn't sorted, is it? afaik, it simply builds a dict and return the keys, so the output should be completly unsorted. | 10:28 |
| SteveA | i think it is meant to be sorted | 10:30 |
| SteveA | hmm, the interface doesn't say anything abot it | 10:31 |
| SteveA | so, I guess it would need to be sorted() | 10:31 |
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| lifeless | SteveA: AFAIK yes | 10:37 |
| jamesh | stub: product-release-finder is still running? | 10:55 |
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| stub | jamesh: Yes - still running | 10:58 |
| stub | 3% cpu, 245MB | 10:58 |
| jamesh | stub: if the results look good, I guess we should run it in production at least once, so that the runs on staging don't take so long | 11:01 |
| stub | Ok. | 11:02 |
| jamesh | stub: I have a script to add "trunk" product series to all products which currently have no series. Would it be possible to get it run on production at some point? | 11:10 |
| stub | sure. Did we rollout the bug fix to stop it happening yet? | 11:10 |
| jamesh | with the last rollout, all new products should have the default trunk series | 11:11 |
| stub | (I think the query to do that is already around in database/schema/archives from last time we did this) | 11:11 |
| jamesh | (it now gets created in the database/ code rather than the view class for one of the entry points for creating a products) | 11:11 |
| jamesh | I'm just going through the sample data now to make sure it has a product series for each product too | 11:13 |
| jamesh | stub: here is the script I did: https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/ensure-product-series | 11:15 |
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| stub | jamesh: I've run that script on production | 11:32 |
| jamesh | stub: thanks | 11:33 |
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| jamesh | stub: I think I was mistaken about the automatic product series creation fix being in the current rollout. I'll add a note about rerunning the script on the next rollout | 11:38 |
| stub | Please do | 11:38 |
| lifeless | hmm | 11:40 |
| lifeless | annoying that specs require unique urls | 11:40 |
| jamesh | lifeless: perhaps we need "SpecTasks" so you can assign a spec to multiple contexts :) | 11:40 |
| lifeless | bazaar-vs.org/ReleaseRoadmap | 11:41 |
| lifeless | that wants one spec per release attached to it | 11:41 |
| jamesh | just add extra dots to the end of the domain name | 11:42 |
| lifeless | heh | 11:42 |
| lifeless | I've abused it differently | 11:42 |
| jamesh | or http://www.bazaar-vcs.org/ vs. http://www.bazaar-vcs.org:80/ | 11:42 |
| lifeless | but its a nuisance | 11:42 |
| lifeless | Roadmap/../ | 11:43 |
| jamesh | file a bug about getting the constraint relaxed then | 11:43 |
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| lifeless | review meeting in 10 | 12:50 |
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| jamesh | lifeless: btw, the pending-reviews script is taking quite a while these days (last run was 55 minutes) -- we might need to reduce the frequency a bit if it can't be sped up | 12:54 |
| lifeless | jamesh: ok | 12:55 |
| jamesh | since we added the work-in-progress section, the list of branches has increased quite a bit | 12:56 |
| lifeless | yah | 12:56 |
| lifeless | I was wondering about that | 12:56 |
| lifeless | we have viewbzr now | 12:56 |
| lifeless | perhaps for wip a calculated URL on that would be better | 12:56 |
| jamesh | viewbzr being different to bzr webserve? | 12:57 |
| spiv | You'd lose the "this wip has conflicts with rocketfuel" feature, but that's probably not a big deal. | 12:57 |
| SteveA | I'd be happy with wip being analyzed just once a day | 12:58 |
| SteveA | and pending reviews more often | 12:58 |
| SteveA | pending reviews is a very important part of our workflow | 12:58 |
| SteveA | wip is more about seeing how things are going, and looking at um... work in progress | 12:59 |
| lifeless | yup | 12:59 |
| SteveA | so daily is fine | 12:59 |
| lifeless | I was thinking along that direction myself | 12:59 |
| lifeless | jamesh: do you reuse the diff when its already known ? | 12:59 |
| jamesh | lifeless: not currently -- that is another area that'd improve things a lot | 12:59 |
| lifeless | review meeting time | 01:00 |
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| jamesh | although each new launchpad commit implies that most diffs will be recalculated | 01:00 |
| lifeless | yes | 01:00 |
| lifeless | but thats not 12 per day | 01:00 |
| lifeless | or even 24 per day | 01:01 |
| jamesh | I should see about getting that working | 01:01 |
| lifeless | * Next meeting | 01:01 |
| lifeless | * Queue status. | 01:01 |
| BjornT | hi | 01:01 |
| lifeless | hi BjornT | 01:02 |
| lifeless | so, same time, one week ok ? | 01:03 |
| SteveA | yes | 01:03 |
| lifeless | I'm going to remove this from the agenda | 01:03 |
| SteveA | lifeless: what's the agenda? | 01:04 |
| lifeless | and instead have it always the same unless someone explicit adds it as an agenda item | 01:04 |
| lifeless | SteveA: the two lines with ' * ' prefixes | 01:04 |
| SteveA | lifeless: prefix it with "Agenda:" then, so it is clear | 01:04 |
| SteveA | and add a "roll call" perhaps | 01:04 |
| SteveA | I thought you were introducing the items, and getting through them | 01:05 |
| SteveA | and I was looking for the agenda | 01:05 |
| lifeless | ok | 01:05 |
| lifeless | == Agenda == | 01:05 |
| lifeless | * Roll call | 01:05 |
| lifeless | * Next meeting | 01:05 |
| lifeless | * Queue status. | 01:05 |
| lifeless | is whats on the wiki page, so I'll just paste the full thing in future | 01:05 |
| lifeless | spiv: are you here ? | 01:06 |
| spiv | yes | 01:06 |
| lifeless | ok | 01:06 |
| lifeless | so the queue this week | 01:06 |
| lifeless | 5 items | 01:06 |
| lifeless | oldest is 6 days with salgado | 01:07 |
| lifeless | next oldest is 4 days which is just on our target service level considering the weekend | 01:07 |
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| lifeless | jamesh and bjornt both 1 item each | 01:07 |
| lifeless | - except - the queue page https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/pending-reviews/ - does not list the post-merge reviews | 01:07 |
| lifeless | of which there are ~12 | 01:08 |
| lifeless | BjornT, jamesh, spiv please look these up and use the bzr web, or bzr on devpad, to do them | 01:08 |
| lifeless | salgado: are you around ? | 01:09 |
| lifeless | Has anyone done any of the post merge reviews so far? | 01:09 |
| BjornT | i've done one | 01:09 |
| lifeless | was it appropriate to be trivial ? | 01:10 |
| BjornT | yes. it was a one-line change in a test setup, so i think the [trivial] was correct to use there. | 01:11 |
| lifeless | cool. | 01:12 |
| lifeless | jamesh: ? | 01:13 |
| lifeless | I haven't | 01:13 |
| jamesh | I haven't done any of the post-merge reviews in my queue yet | 01:13 |
| SteveA | what's the procedure when you've done a post-merge review? | 01:13 |
| lifeless | email launchpad-reviews as per regular reviews I think | 01:13 |
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| SteveA | for both appropriate merges, and for inappropriate ones? | 01:14 |
| lifeless | SteveA: I think for inappropriate ones there should be some escalation | 01:14 |
| SteveA | idea: mail the reviews list, and add it to the agenda of the dev meeting | 01:15 |
| SteveA | we can have a special section for this | 01:15 |
| lifeless | but I'd start with a review to the list, cc'd to the committer | 01:15 |
| lifeless | adding it to dev agenda sounds fine to me | 01:16 |
| SteveA | lifeless: please write the process on the Pending Reviews page, or somewhere like that | 01:16 |
| lifeless | so: inappropriate merges are raised in the dev meeting agenda as well as the normal review mail being sent | 01:16 |
| lifeless | SteveA: sure | 01:16 |
| SteveA | ta | 01:16 |
| lifeless | ok | 01:17 |
| lifeless | any other business ? | 01:17 |
| SteveA | any phone pre-impl calls happening? | 01:17 |
| SteveA | I had a kinda one with stub today | 01:17 |
| jamesh | there is the "pending-reviews is slow issue", but that was mostly discussed before the meeting | 01:18 |
| SteveA | although it was combined with more general management stuff | 01:18 |
| spiv | I had a call with malcc the week before I went on leave about soyuz testing. | 01:18 |
| spiv | (which wasn't exactly a pre-impl call) | 01:20 |
| lifeless | ok | 01:22 |
| lifeless | any other business ? | 01:23 |
| lifeless | === -5- === | 01:23 |
| lifeless | === -4- === | 01:23 |
| lifeless | === -3- === | 01:23 |
| lifeless | === -2- === | 01:23 |
| lifeless | === -1- === | 01:23 |
| lifeless | meeting closed | 01:23 |
| lifeless | thanks for coming y'akk | 01:24 |
| lifeless | SteveA: so, skype? normal phone ? | 01:27 |
| SteveA | lifeless: let me check with ddaa about delaying his call by 10 mins | 01:28 |
| SteveA | I'd like to have a quick call with you first | 01:28 |
| SteveA | ddaa: ping | 01:28 |
| ddaa | ok | 01:29 |
| SteveA | ddaa: delay by 10-15 mins? | 01:29 |
| ddaa | fine | 01:29 |
| SteveA | ok, thanks | 01:29 |
| SteveA | lifeless: try sip then fall back to POTS? | 01:29 |
| lifeless | normal phone is easiest right now, microphone is not setup | 01:30 |
| SteveA | ok, POTS | 01:30 |
| lifeless | but if you want 3-4 minutes I'll run round and grab it | 01:30 |
| SteveA | /msg me your prefered number | 01:30 |
| lifeless | done | 01:32 |
| ddaa | SteveA: can futher postpone the call by one hour? | 01:41 |
| SteveA | ddaa: sure. what time UTC? | 01:43 |
| ddaa | say, 1300 UTC | 01:44 |
| SteveA | ok | 01:44 |
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| stub | carlos, danilo[out] : Do we need to support updates of POSubmission. Particularly changing POSubmission.person and POSubmission.pomsgset. Also, do we need to support updates of POMsgSet.pofile ? | 02:23 |
| carlos | stub: POSubmission.person, would be useful to fix some bad credit for those translations | 02:26 |
| carlos | stub: the others, I don't think we are going to change it ever | 02:26 |
| stub | So I can enforce POMsgSet.pofile never changing. That makes my life easier ;) | 02:27 |
| carlos | stub: I think so, yes | 02:27 |
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| carlos | stub: do you need anything else? | 02:27 |
| stub | carlos: nope. | 02:28 |
| carlos | ok | 02:28 |
| carlos | later! | 02:28 |
| LarstiQ | SteveA: sorry to keep bothering you, but do you have any more information on the rosetta output copyright assignment? | 02:30 |
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| SteveA | LarstiQ: nothing yet. To make further progress, I need to talk with Mark about it. He's traveling, but back in London next week. | 02:36 |
| LarstiQ | thank you. | 02:37 |
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| WebMaven | AYT? | 03:39 |
| WebMaven | SteveA: AYT? | 03:39 |
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| salgado | stub, around? | 04:06 |
| stub | salgado: yes | 04:07 |
| salgado | stub, I tried to run https://devpad.canonical.com/~andrew/paste/fileWFvar1.html on staging, but it was taking too long and matsubara had to stop it. would it be possible to get it to run faster? | 04:10 |
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| stub | select count(DISTINCT POSubmission.person) FROM validpersonorteamcache,posubmission where posubmission.person = validpersonorteamcache.id; will be faster for the first one | 04:14 |
| stub | similar for the second | 04:14 |
| SteveA | stub: ping for a chat when you have time | 04:14 |
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| stub | SteveA: pong | 04:14 |
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| salgado | stub, cool, thanks a lot | 04:17 |
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| heno | are there any known problems with bzr on LP ATM? | 04:18 |
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| Spads | is there a way for me to subscribe somehow to package build/upload pages such as https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+source/xen-3.0 ? | 04:23 |
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| malcc | Spads: No. Good idea though. If you've time, file a bug on Soyuz suggesting it? | 04:24 |
| Spads | malcc: I'll try | 04:25 |
| salgado | Spads, malcc, I think there's a bug for it already | 04:25 |
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| malcc | salgado: Ah, bug 501 perhaps | 04:26 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 501 in soyuz "Subscribe to packages by email" [Medium,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/501 | 04:26 |
| salgado | yeah, looks like that one | 04:26 |
| Spads | okay, good | 04:26 |
| oohlaf | ddaa: can you help me with https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/launchpad-users/2006-September/000608.html | 04:28 |
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| oohlaf | :) | 04:38 |
| oohlaf | the last update on the old host is a few months back, on the new host is from 2 days ago or something | 04:39 |
| heno | We are having some problems with https://launchpad.net/people/onboard/+branch/onboard/main | 04:48 |
| heno | First it accepted a commit by someone not on the onboard team | 04:48 |
| heno | and now it won't update with a new commit | 04:48 |
| heno | The first one is esp worrying ... | 04:48 |
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| jamesh | heno: are you sure none of the other team members pushed that change? | 04:52 |
| jamesh | and what error are you getting for the "now it won't update with a new commit" problem? | 04:53 |
| heno | jamesh: is was in fact Chris Jones who pushed the change, but from a friends computer. So his name appears differently | 04:54 |
| heno | Chris Scutcher <beast@tecra> is not registered in the team | 04:54 |
| heno | though it came from the same IP | 04:54 |
| jamesh | heno: the name that appears there is the name recorded in the revision | 04:54 |
| jamesh | which isn't directly related to an LP user name | 04:55 |
| heno | jamesh: oh, I see, but he might have committed using a correct login, ok | 04:55 |
| heno | as for the update there was no error (AFAIK), it just hasn't been updated yet | 04:55 |
| ddaa | heno: the published branch has revno 24 | 04:56 |
| jamesh | there is a time delay between changes being uploaded via SFTP and appearing via HTTP | 04:56 |
| ddaa | the listing on launchpad lags a bit behind what is actually published | 04:57 |
| heno | ddaa, jamesh: ok, thanks. That should explain both items :) | 04:57 |
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| oohlaf | ddaa: I notice you updated the host. Cool, thank you | 05:17 |
| ddaa | oohlaf: look at your mail | 05:17 |
| ddaa | the import is still broken and I need your input | 05:17 |
| ddaa | also, please beat the CVS admin with some large, heavy, hard object for me. | 05:18 |
| oohlaf | ddaa: ok, I'll look up that file in their cvs | 05:18 |
| ddaa | you'll see it called yate-gtk2.conf.default | 05:18 |
| oohlaf | ddaa: stupid thing about their cvs is that both old and new host share the same ip | 05:19 |
| oohlaf | it's prob a vhost | 05:19 |
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| ddaa | oohlaf: no trace of the .tabbed file, it's probably a case of CVS repo surgery | 05:22 |
| oohlaf | I'll ask in #yate | 05:22 |
| ddaa | oohlaf: thank you. I do not like to make people jump through hoops, but I need the cvs admins out there to understand how "renaming" breaks their users. | 05:23 |
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| oohlaf | it's better if they just rm and add, and not try to preserve history by moving these ,v files | 05:25 |
| oohlaf | like http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/notes/cvs/renaming-files.html | 05:26 |
| ddaa | *sigh* | 05:27 |
| ddaa | If I become master of the world one day, I'll get all those who post "insightful" documents like that up a wall. | 05:27 |
| oohlaf | hmm, #yate is a bit unresponsive at the moment | 05:29 |
| ddaa | oohlaf: I'm quite sure it's a case of "renaming". Please just remember to whine at the c | 05:30 |
| ddaa | at the cvs admin. | 05:30 |
| ddaa | I'm working on fixing the import now. | 05:30 |
| oohlaf | ok | 05:30 |
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| tortoise_ | Having a problem with this bzr branch: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~onboard/onboard/main | 05:49 |
| ddaa | oohlaf: fixed now, the new stuff should be published within a day | 05:49 |
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| oohlaf | ddaa: ok, thank you, I whined in #yate, but no response yet | 05:50 |
| carlos | will be back in 30 minutes | 05:50 |
| tortoise_ | it doesn't register new revisions properly. The commit message is show but the files arnt updated and are stuck at an old revision | 05:50 |
| ddaa | tortoise_: ? | 05:50 |
| oohlaf | ddaa: I looked at cvs log/status but could not find a trace of .tabbed | 05:51 |
| tortoise_ | ddaa: any ideas? | 05:51 |
| jamesh | tortoise_: there is a delay between the branch being uploaded via SFTP and it being published via HTTP and its revision info being displayed on the website | 05:51 |
| tortoise_ | i've given it a good hour | 05:51 |
| jamesh | tortoise_: heno was just here complaining about that branch, btw :) | 05:51 |
| tortoise_ | jamesh: oh good | 05:51 |
| ddaa | tortoise_: where is the commit message shown, and where are the files not upgraded? | 05:52 |
| jamesh | and the revision list on the website has updated since then (from rev 23 to 24) | 05:52 |
| tortoise_ | yes but the files have not | 05:52 |
| tortoise_ | bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~onboard/onboard/main | 05:52 |
| tortoise_ | gives a very old revision with some files missing too | 05:53 |
| ddaa | here, that gives revision 24 | 05:53 |
| ddaa | dated today | 05:53 |
| ddaa | and well, the files are what is in the branch... | 05:54 |
| jamesh | if there are missing files, is it possible that you didn't "bzr add" them before committing? | 05:54 |
| tortoise_ | the one I get when I branch has the old debian/rules so that's pre 09-02 | 05:54 |
| ddaa | tortoise_: in all likelihood, launchpad just gives what people have put there | 05:55 |
| tortoise_ | My last commit I made by branching from http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~onboard/onboard/main overwriting with the new and missing files, committing and pushing. | 05:55 |
| ddaa | if stuff is outdated, you should check with those people https://launchpad.net/people/onboard | 05:55 |
| ddaa | Ha, you're chris jones | 05:56 |
| ddaa | sorry | 05:56 |
| tortoise_ | ddaa: lol | 05:56 |
| ddaa | tortoise_: I do believe you have a bzr usage problem here, not related to Launchpad. You would get better help on #bv | 05:57 |
| ddaa | on #bzr | 05:57 |
| jamesh | tortoise_: you might want to read http://blogs.gnome.org/view/jamesh/2006/08/17/1 | 05:57 |
| jamesh | tortoise_: it describes a workflow for using shared branches on bazaar.launchpad.net | 05:58 |
| ddaa | tortoise_: your commit only modified one file in the bzr branch | 05:58 |
| ddaa | check with "bzr log -v | less" | 05:59 |
| ddaa | you can also get the log for only one file, for example "bzr log -v onboard/debian/rules | less" | 06:01 |
| tortoise_ | ddaa: It should have added a whole new directory | 06:02 |
| ddaa | sounds like you forgot to "bzr add" | 06:02 |
| ddaa | "bzr status" is useful to run before committing to avoid this sort of mistake | 06:03 |
| tortoise_ | ddaa: ahhh | 06:03 |
| ddaa | if you do you "bzr commit", it will run status and display the output in a text editor where you can type the commit message | 06:03 |
| ddaa | it's very convenient | 06:03 |
| tortoise_ | ddaa: thanks | 06:04 |
| j-a-meinel | tortoise_: Another thing you may want to do is add 'commit=commit --strict' into your aliases. | 06:07 |
| j-a-meinel | Then 'bzr' will abort a commit if it has unknown files. | 06:07 |
| j-a-meinel | (you can override this with 'bzr --no-aliases commit' or with bzr >= 0.10 you can do 'bzr commit --no-strict') | 06:08 |
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| kiko | hey there | 06:19 |
| kiko | how's it going | 06:19 |
| kiko | SteveA? | 06:19 |
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| SteveA | kiko: hey | 06:22 |
| kiko | SteveA, how's it going? | 06:23 |
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| SteveA | kiko: I've had a good day. about to head out. quick call? | 06:23 |
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| elmo | SteveA/kiko: ping? | 07:40 |
| kiko | elmo, pong? | 07:40 |
| teolemon | jordi, i've merged the files for clamwin | 07:42 |
| elmo | kiko: I need to take staging down and borrow some of it's memory. urgently. is that ok? | 07:42 |
| teolemon | and uploaded them on LP | 07:42 |
| kiko | elmo, okay, then. is there an ETA for recovering it? | 07:43 |
| elmo | kiko: as soon as my supplier can ship it, late tuesday/wednesday | 07:43 |
| kiko | elmo, thanks. I'll email the list | 07:44 |
| elmo | it'll go back to the 3Gb/4Gb it use to have (I can't recall which offhand) | 07:45 |
| salgado | elmo, is that the appserver or the db server (or are they both running on the same machine)? | 07:48 |
| elmo | salgado: same machine | 07:48 |
| salgado | can you hold it for a few minutes? (no more than 10) | 07:48 |
| salgado | elmo, ^ | 07:49 |
| salgado | elmo, it's not urgent, so it's no big deal if you can't | 07:50 |
| elmo | salgado: I'm not near the DC yet - that shouldn't be a problem ;-) | 07:51 |
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| ddaa | Good night folks, | 09:16 |
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| nessmuk | I'd like to know how to unsubscribe from launchpad so I don't receive bug reports in my email | 09:18 |
| kiko | nessmuk, are you subscribed to ubuntu-bugs? | 09:19 |
| nessmuk | yes | 09:19 |
| kiko | nessmuk, just unsubscribe from that list, then. | 09:19 |
| nessmuk | oh...I think you mean a mail list. I'm not in one of those, just registered to report bugs on the launchpad page | 09:20 |
| kiko | nessmuk, can you give me an example of a bug which you are receiving bugmail for? | 09:20 |
| nessmuk | https://launchpad.net/bugs/56452 | 09:21 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 56452 in at-spi "Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently" [Unknown,Needs info] | 09:21 |
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| kiko | nessmuk, why don't you just unsubscribe from that bug? | 09:22 |
| nessmuk | can't figure out where to do that....noobie blues! | 09:22 |
| kiko | heh. | 09:22 |
| kiko | there's an "unsubscribe" link on that (admittedly very busy) page | 09:23 |
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| kiko | https://launchpad.net/products/at-spi/+bug/56452/+unsubscribe I believe | 09:24 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 56452 in at-spi "Edgy: at-spi Crashes frequently" [Unknown,Needs info] | 09:24 |
| kiko | or maybe it's https://launchpad.net/products/at-spi/+bug/56452/+subscribe | 09:24 |
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| elmo | ok, staging is going down now | 09:53 |
| elmo | and is back | 10:19 |
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