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| troy_s | seveas ping | 02:19 |
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| Seveas | troy_s, ? | 02:20 |
| kwwii | hehe | 02:31 |
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| kwwii | sleep well | 02:31 |
| kwwii | erm, sleep well, everyone who is going to bed with me | 02:31 |
| kwwii | :p | 02:31 |
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| newz2000 | troy_s: ping | 04:54 |
| troy_s | howdy newz | 04:54 |
| Burgundavia | newz2000hey | 04:55 |
| Burgundavia | newz2000: hey, rather | 04:55 |
| newz2000 | Howdy | 04:55 |
| Burgundavia | did you get my email? | 04:55 |
| newz2000 | Let me look | 04:56 |
| newz2000 | Oh, Corey. :D | 04:56 |
| newz2000 | Yes, I got it. | 04:56 |
| newz2000 | I am working on the reorg. I do want help, but I'm not sure what is appropriate. | 04:56 |
| Burgundavia | putting some plans on the wiki would be a great start | 04:57 |
| newz2000 | I need to talk to my boss and see what she thinks. | 04:58 |
| Burgundavia | maybe an email about the general scope, what is outside of it, etc. | 04:58 |
| newz2000 | Let me think on it tonight and talk to Jane tomorrow. At the very least I'll contact you, but I know therea re some areas I will need help with. | 04:59 |
| Burgundavia | I mean. I am an editor to the website and i don't even know if you are planning to move off moin, etc. | 04:59 |
| newz2000 | We're not moving off of moin | 04:59 |
| Burgundavia | kind of curtails the enthusiasm, if you know what I mean | 04:59 |
| newz2000 | Keeping moin? | 04:59 |
| Burgundavia | no, not knowing what is going to happen | 04:59 |
| Burgundavia | moin is fin | 04:59 |
| Burgundavia | fine, rather | 04:59 |
| Burgundavia | nice fruedian slip | 05:00 |
| newz2000 | I see. Yes, well, I can make some announcements about the scope of the project. I think it will be a bit underwhelming. | 05:00 |
| Burgundavia | well, one of the key things volunteers are good at is doing small, well defined tasks | 05:01 |
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| Burgundavia | hence if you spend some time specing out the project and define small tasks, you can very easily lift almost half of it off your shoulders | 05:02 |
| newz2000 | Yes, you're right. | 05:02 |
| Burgundavia | plus people really love it when they are part of something larger | 05:02 |
| Burgundavia | I have really found that leading the UWN | 05:03 |
| newz2000 | I will think of the best way to do this tonight. Thanks for the encouragement | 05:03 |
| Burgundavia | and not telling long term contributors like myelf annoyed | 05:03 |
| Burgundavia | that was the stick behind the carrot | 05:04 |
| Burgundavia | ;) | 05:04 |
| newz2000 | I'm not making so many scary changes. Mostly just trying to bring order. I don't know if that's possible with a wiki though. | 05:05 |
| newz2000 | But I will try. | 05:05 |
| Burgundavia | wiki as in the ubuntu wiki or wiki as in moin on the ubuntu website? | 05:05 |
| newz2000 | As you know from the doc team, when wikis get big, they can be difficult to navigate. Therefore I want to try and make it easy to get people to their destination. | 05:06 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 05:06 |
| Burgundavia | would be nice to have a general plot of the ubuntu website | 05:07 |
| Burgundavia | showing the directory structure | 05:07 |
| newz2000 | Yes, well, a lot of the content on the www.ubuntu.com website is outdated. | 05:08 |
| Burgundavia | tell me about it | 05:08 |
| Burgundavia | could you turn on html parsing on the ubuntu wiki? | 05:08 |
| newz2000 | No, I highly doubt it. | 05:08 |
| Burgundavia | that would make it easier to develop pages like the front page on the ubuntu wiki and move them over | 05:08 |
| newz2000 | wait, do you mean wiki.ubuntu.com or www.ubuntu.com? | 05:09 |
| Burgundavia | wiki.ubuntu.com will not take html | 05:09 |
| Burgundavia | and the frontpage of www is html | 05:09 |
| newz2000 | You're refring to the [[HTML()] ] macro? | 05:09 |
| newz2000 | ^referring | 05:09 |
| Burgundavia | probably | 05:09 |
| newz2000 | I don't think it's a good idea. If people could get JS into that site they could possibly do a cross site scripting attack on launchpad. | 05:10 |
| Burgundavia | but anon editing on the ubuntu is turned off | 05:11 |
| Burgundavia | I have never seen anybody edit maliciously on the ubuntu wiki | 05:11 |
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| newz2000 | Doesn't mean no one wants to, just that they haven't been able to. | 05:11 |
| Burgundavia | if they wanted to, they probably would have already | 05:11 |
| newz2000 | The launchpad team is ultra-cautious on this matter, and I definately support them in it. | 05:12 |
| Burgundavia | ok | 05:12 |
| Burgundavia | hmm, we still need a play wiki however | 05:12 |
| Burgundavia | because big things like a new front page should be worked out there, not live | 05:13 |
| newz2000 | That could be arranged I think. | 05:13 |
| newz2000 | Would you create a support request? https://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-website/+addticket | 05:14 |
| newz2000 | That way I can ensure it doesn't slip off the todo list and you'll be notified by e-mail when its ready. | 05:15 |
| Burgundavia | ok, will do | 05:15 |
| Burgundavia | would this not be better for rt? | 05:15 |
| BHSPitLappy | hi's | 05:16 |
| newz2000 | Burgundavia: That's fine too | 05:17 |
| newz2000 | rt@ would be better | 05:17 |
| Burgundavia | hmm, too late | 05:18 |
| newz2000 | No prob. | 05:19 |
| newz2000 | :D It all works out. | 05:19 |
| newz2000 | G'Night all. Thanks for the suggestions Corey. | 05:21 |
| Burgundavia | no worries, thanks for listening | 05:21 |
| troy_s | Burgundavia | 05:36 |
| troy_s | you in? | 05:36 |
| Burgundavia | troy_s: I am | 05:37 |
| troy_s | Burgundavia hold tight... i have a link for you. | 05:37 |
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| msikma | What are the colors of Kubuntu going to be again? | 08:18 |
| Burgundavia | msikma: purple and more purple. You are going to love purple | 08:19 |
| msikma | violet or magenta? | 08:19 |
| Burgundavia | no idea, I use GNOME | 08:21 |
| BHSPitLappy | hi | 08:24 |
| msikma | Next cycle, we really should try centralizing artwork making efforts. | 08:25 |
| BHSPitLappy | that sounds ominous | 08:25 |
| BHSPitLappy | art is such a difficult subject... it's much easier to agree upon good code than good art | 08:26 |
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| lapo | hey bersace | 11:02 |
| bersace | hi | 11:03 |
| lapo | looks like your gnome scan interfaces is well accepted in the gnome community congrats | 11:03 |
| bersace | lapo: thanks | 11:03 |
| BHSPitLappy | link? | 11:03 |
| lapo | bersace: let's talk about icons there | 11:03 |
| bersace | yep | 11:04 |
| lapo | bersace: if I bother dobey enough perhaps we could have a generic scanner icon | 11:04 |
| lapo | bersace: I see you are using different icons for various scanner models, I think those one should be optional and if none are found it should fall back to the generic scanner | 11:05 |
| lapo | icon | 11:05 |
| lapo | does that sound doable? | 11:05 |
| bersace | this is the case right now | 11:05 |
| lapo | cool | 11:05 |
| bersace | see http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/gnomescan/trunk/libgnomescanui/icons/ | 11:05 |
| bersace | input-scanner is generic | 11:05 |
| bersace | input-scanner-* is specific | 11:05 |
| lapo | bersace: if you find a wat to eneralize the icon name somehow something like | 11:06 |
| lapo | specific scanner model (e.g. epson something) -> generic scanner type (e.g. flatbed scanner) -> generic scanner icon fallback should be cool | 11:07 |
| andreasn | isn't this icon in the naming-spec these days? http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/*checkout*/gnomescan/trunk/libgnomescanui/icons/rotate-90.png?rev=4 | 11:09 |
| bersace | andreasn: maybe | 11:10 |
| bersace | but i didn't find a stock_id for that | 11:10 |
| bersace | so i create a StockItem | 11:10 |
| bersace | so and provide the icon | 11:10 |
| bersace | (i made the icon myself) | 11:10 |
| bersace | andreasn: i read gimp and eog code to see how they did that | 11:10 |
| bersace | they used their own icons too :( | 11:11 |
| andreasn | bersace: I think they are in the spec, but for some reason we don't have it in g-i-t yet | 11:11 |
| bersace | i'll see it later | 11:11 |
| bersace | ok | 11:11 |
| andreasn | I'll look into it | 11:11 |
| bersace | would be nice to have icon *and* stock item | 11:11 |
| bersace | in libgnome | 11:11 |
| bersace | or libgnomeui | 11:11 |
| bersace | or gtk | 11:11 |
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| fschoep | troy_s: ping | 02:32 |
| kwwii_ | moin fschoep | 02:35 |
| fschoep | kwwii_: Hi | 02:35 |
| kwwii_ | fschoep: does the ubuntu usplash have a black bg or is it a fullscreen colored thing? | 02:36 |
| fschoep | I think it's colored | 02:36 |
| fschoep | Haven't seen it yet :) | 02:36 |
| kwwii_ | yeah, I haven't seen the kubuntu either | 02:36 |
| fschoep | Hmm :) | 02:37 |
| fschoep | Troublesome. | 02:37 |
| fschoep | Knot3 is packaged tonight I think | 02:37 |
| kwwii_ | really? | 02:39 |
| kwwii_ | oh shit | 02:39 |
| kwwii_ | I wanted to get some more stuff in | 02:39 |
| fschoep | Do so quickly, see Tollef's mail to u-dev | 02:39 |
| fschoep | Ping him on IRC | 02:39 |
| kwwii_ | it will be packaged on wednesday | 02:40 |
| kwwii_ | whew, I was scared | 02:40 |
| kwwii_ | tody is my wedding anniversary (9 years).../me goes to buy flowers for his wife | 02:40 |
| kwwii_ | bbl | 02:40 |
| fschoep | ..." I am aiming for a freeze of | 02:41 |
| fschoep | main from tomorrow morning.." | 02:41 |
| fschoep | kwwii_: congratulations! | 02:41 |
| kwwii_ | fschoep: thanks :-) | 02:44 |
| kwwii_ | fschoep: when Riddel says I have till Wednesday, then I trust him (I guess kubuntu has a slightly diffferent schedule) | 02:44 |
| fschoep | kwwii_: Kubuntu might have indeed :) | 02:45 |
| fschoep | kwwii_: they do have a different agenda as far as I know ;) | 02:45 |
| kwwii_ | hehe | 02:45 |
| kwwii_ | yeah, ours agenda is purple, not brown | 02:45 |
| kwwii_ | ;-) | 02:45 |
| fschoep | ba-dum - kssh | 02:46 |
| fschoep | kwwii_: Did you see the current Edgy artwork? | 02:49 |
| fschoep | Like wallpaper and GDM | 02:49 |
| kwwii_ | fschoep: nope, but I looked at a link with a wallpaper in it (with blue in the right top corner)...is that it? | 02:51 |
| fschoep | Right | 02:51 |
| fschoep | Say - if you didn't know the backstory | 02:51 |
| kwwii_ | fschoep: do you have pics of the whole thing somewhere | 02:51 |
| fschoep | What would you think of it? | 02:51 |
| fschoep | Yes, hold on - | 02:52 |
| fschoep | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/EdgyArtworkPlan/Produce/Incoming/CurrentDefault | 02:52 |
| fschoep | It's a bit widescreenish on that link, but the design's intact | 02:52 |
| kwwii_ | while Ilike the use of the blue (before it was too mono-tonal) it is still quite brown to me :-) | 02:53 |
| fschoep | Hehe | 02:53 |
| kwwii_ | the login splash is nice | 02:53 |
| fschoep | Thanks on your expert opinion! | 02:54 |
| kwwii_ | ;-) | 02:54 |
| fschoep | Do you have a page with the current Kubuntu look for Knot3? | 02:54 |
| kwwii_ | I just wish I could see the usplash stuff (both of them) | 02:54 |
| fschoep | +1 from me | 02:55 |
| kwwii_ | kinda hard to design something this late in the game without being able even see it | 02:55 |
| fschoep | Like shooting in the dark, literally | 02:55 |
| kwwii_ | it almost seems to me like someone wants to have the same problems as last time | 02:55 |
| kwwii_ | but anyway, enough conspiracy theory | 02:55 |
| fschoep | :) | 02:56 |
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| kwwii_ | buying my wife flowers | 02:56 |
| fschoep | OK have a good time | 02:56 |
| kwwii_ | see you | 02:56 |
| fschoep | And dinner tonight eh | 02:56 |
| kwwii_ | :-) | 02:56 |
| fschoep | see you too | 02:56 |
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| msikma | fschoep: did you get infos from Troy about my usplash work yet? | 02:59 |
| fschoep | msikma: A bit, but if you can tell me a bit more that'd be nice. | 02:59 |
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| msikma | hi everyeone | 04:02 |
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| msikma | Hello | 09:05 |
| PingunZ | hey msikma | 09:05 |
| msikma | Anyone have a link to the Kubuntu logo? | 09:06 |
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| msikma | Man the Ubuntu site is awful | 09:07 |
| msikma | When I get less stress from work I will try to suggest something to patch it up. I think it's pretty bad. | 09:07 |
| PingunZ | msikma, its not good, not bad either | 09:08 |
| PingunZ | the banner need a cleanup :) | 09:08 |
| msikma | It's pretty terrible I'd say | 09:08 |
| msikma | The main page is one big lump of clutter and ugly images and bad design practices | 09:09 |
| msikma | And text | 09:09 |
| msikma | Anybody around who's actively involved in Kubuntu artwork? | 09:13 |
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| frandavid100 | hiya! | 09:36 |
| frandavid100 | I'd like to ask a question | 09:36 |
| frandavid100 | is there a chance to pack a given program to use tango icons even if that's not the default? | 09:37 |
| frandavid100 | I'm thinking gaim, or gimp | 09:37 |
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| msikma | I would like to make a Kubuntu usplash using the new technology that we now have, consistent with the Ubuntu usplash experiments that I've done earlier, but I have no idea about its style/art guidelines | 09:51 |
| msikma | http://thingmajig.org/tmp/usplash_plus/final/kubuntu_rlsl_0.gif | 09:51 |
| kwwii_ | Seveas: ping? | 09:55 |
| kwwii_ | msikma: hehe, that is purple! | 09:55 |
| kwwii_ | msikma: I guess I could help you with the guidelines | 09:56 |
| msikma | Perhaps! You're very active in Kubuntu, right? | 09:56 |
| kwwii_ | yeah, you could say that :-) | 09:56 |
| kwwii_ | I am the AIC for kubuntu | 09:56 |
| kwwii_ | and happened to do all the artwork too | 09:57 |
| msikma | awesome | 09:57 |
| msikma | so how is that experiment in terms of new Kubuntu art guidelines? | 09:57 |
| msikma | I didn't want to stick to just one hue so I messed around with it a bit and let it use red as well. | 09:58 |
| msikma | e.g. Violet --> Magenta | 09:58 |
| kwwii_ | until now it looks like we will be using a light blue (almost cyan) to purple colored bg | 09:59 |
| kwwii_ | and colorscheme, etc. | 09:59 |
| sladen | msikma: pretty! | 10:00 |
| msikma | kwwii_: that means I'm right about the hue thing, but it's just that I'm on the wrong side of purple :) | 10:01 |
| msikma | sladen: thanks | 10:01 |
| kwwii_ | msikma: http://bootsplash.org/newtest5a.png shows you the colors we are using | 10:01 |
| kwwii_ | msikma: exactly | 10:01 |
| msikma | 403 | 10:01 |
| kwwii_ | oops, rights, sorry | 10:04 |
| kwwii_ | fixed | 10:04 |
| msikma | very nice | 10:05 |
| kwwii_ | that will be included in knot3 | 10:06 |
| msikma | hmm | 10:06 |
| msikma | http://thingmajig.org/tmp/usplash_plus/final/kubuntu_rlsl_1.gif | 10:06 |
| msikma | I will need to look into it further | 10:06 |
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| kwwii_ | that is pretty close though, you just need to reduce the saturation a bit and increase the lightness | 10:07 |
| Seveas | kwwii_, pong | 10:08 |
| kwwii_ | Seveas: how big can an animation be? (file size, I assume is the important part) | 10:08 |
| Seveas | kwwii_, technically unlimited, but please keep in mind that CDs have VERY limited space | 10:09 |
| kwwii_ | Seveas: so read time and such are not important? | 10:09 |
| Seveas | if you hit read time bottlenecks with animation you must be doing full screen plasma flows | 10:10 |
| kwwii_ | hehe | 10:10 |
| kwwii_ | I have something pretty small in mind, but I need more than 15 frames to do it right | 10:10 |
| Seveas | you can use as much frames as you want | 10:10 |
| Seveas | but should use as little as possible | 10:11 |
| kwwii_ | ok, here is my second question: is it possible to read a series of pics and display them as an animation and then once that is through go through them in reverse order? | 10:12 |
| kwwii_ | that would reduce the number of frames needed by half | 10:12 |
| Seveas | sure | 10:12 |
| Seveas | that's basically what the pulsating throbber is doing | 10:12 |
| kwwii_ | ok cool...I am going to make a few animations as gif, I'll post them and ping you tomorrow when I am done | 10:12 |
| kwwii_ | basically, I am thinking of doing some volumetric lighting | 10:13 |
| Seveas | do you know imagemagick a bit? | 10:13 |
| kwwii_ | yepp, pretty well | 10:13 |
| Seveas | nice, then I'll ail you a list of questions later -- I want to use imagemagick more for automating the artwork building process | 10:14 |
| kwwii_ | cool, I have a lot of experience using imagemagick in scripts | 10:15 |
| Seveas | rock | 10:15 |
| kwwii_ | I had a set of scripts using imagemagick and batik which rendered the entire artwork for a full suse distro from a few SVGs :-) | 10:16 |
| kwwii_ | I could never have kept up with the work otherwise | 10:16 |
| msikma | kwwii_: how's this? http://thingmajig.org/tmp/usplash_plus/final/kubuntu_rlsl_2.gif | 10:34 |
| msikma | (background should be a bit darker though, probably.) | 10:35 |
| kwwii_ | yeah, probably, darker would be better | 10:36 |
| kwwii_ | and slower | 10:36 |
| msikma | http://thingmajig.org/tmp/usplash_plus/final/kubuntu_rlsl_3.gif slightly darker bg | 10:36 |
| msikma | I'm not really concerned about the speed, since that can always be programatically changed. | 10:36 |
| kwwii_ | well, as long as you have enough frames | 10:37 |
| kwwii_ | it feels to me like it has too much saturation | 10:37 |
| msikma | Yeah, but I'd like to wait for seeing it used in a real, working state before changing the resolution. | 10:37 |
| msikma | perhaps. these are dark tones, though, and less saturated dark tones look extremely boring while the problem isn't as big with light tones. | 10:38 |
| kwwii_ | exactly | 10:38 |
| kwwii_ | the darker tones can be saturated, but the lighter tones not so | 10:38 |
| msikma | let's see if I can try fixing that | 10:39 |
| msikma | http://thingmajig.org/tmp/usplash_plus/final/kubuntu_rlsl_5.gif | 10:47 |
| kwwii_ | somehow the lighter violet tones bother me | 10:47 |
| kwwii_ | I like the darker colors | 10:47 |
| kwwii_ | and the very light color | 10:47 |
| kwwii_ | you might try with a colored logo and only shine white light onto it | 10:48 |
| msikma | hmm, I kind of like the light violet. It's a very peaceful color to me. | 10:51 |
| msikma | I tried nabbing some colors from that background, but I guess I'll try again | 10:51 |
| kwwii_ | hehe | 10:55 |
| kwwii_ | the colors in that background are funky | 10:55 |
| kwwii_ | it is very colorful, even though you do not get that impression when you look at it | 10:55 |
| msikma | arrrggh stupid 8 bit per channel color depth | 10:59 |
| msikma | I want to edit stuff in real time with 32 bit per channel but that disallows me from using a bunch of tools/filters in Photoshop | 10:59 |
| msikma | so after a bunch of color filters I'm forced to flatten my background and add a gaussian blur to it to take care of the posterize-like effect | 11:00 |
| msikma | how's this? http://thingmajig.org/tmp/usplash_plus/final/kubuntu_rlsl_6.gif | 11:01 |
| BHSPitLappy | purdy | 11:09 |
| BHSPitLappy | a purer shade of blue? | 11:10 |
| BHSPitLappy | instead of violet? | 11:10 |
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| kwwii_ | msikma: that is *much* closer | 11:23 |
| kwwii_ | I guess the idea would be to put that pic on top of the wallpaper used and see how well it matches | 11:24 |
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