[02:19] <troy_s> seveas ping
[02:20] <Seveas> troy_s, ?
[02:31] <kwwii> hehe
[02:31] <kwwii> sleep well
[02:31] <kwwii> erm, sleep well, everyone who is going to bed with me
[02:31] <kwwii> :p
[04:54] <newz2000> troy_s: ping
[04:54] <troy_s> howdy newz
[04:55] <Burgundavia> newz2000hey
[04:55] <Burgundavia> newz2000: hey, rather
[04:55] <newz2000> Howdy
[04:55] <Burgundavia> did you get my email?
[04:56] <newz2000> Let me look
[04:56] <newz2000> Oh, Corey. :D
[04:56] <newz2000> Yes, I got it.
[04:56] <newz2000> I am working on the reorg. I do want help, but I'm not sure what is appropriate.
[04:57] <Burgundavia> putting some plans on the wiki would be a great start
[04:58] <newz2000> I need to talk to my boss and see what she thinks.
[04:58] <Burgundavia> maybe an email about the general scope, what is outside of it, etc.
[04:59] <newz2000> Let me think on it tonight and talk to Jane tomorrow. At the very least I'll contact you, but I know therea re some areas I will need help with.
[04:59] <Burgundavia> I mean. I am an editor to the website and i don't even know if you are planning to move off moin, etc.
[04:59] <newz2000> We're not moving off of moin
[04:59] <Burgundavia> kind of curtails the enthusiasm, if you know what I mean
[04:59] <newz2000> Keeping moin?
[04:59] <Burgundavia> no, not knowing what is going to happen
[04:59] <Burgundavia> moin is fin
[04:59] <Burgundavia> fine, rather
[05:00] <Burgundavia> nice fruedian slip
[05:00] <newz2000> I see. Yes, well, I can make some announcements about the scope of the project. I think it will be a bit underwhelming.
[05:01] <Burgundavia> well, one of the key things volunteers are good at is doing small, well defined tasks
[05:02] <Burgundavia> hence if you spend some time specing out the project and define small tasks, you can very easily lift almost half of it off your shoulders
[05:02] <newz2000> Yes, you're right.
[05:02] <Burgundavia> plus people really love it when they are part of something larger
[05:03] <Burgundavia> I have really found that leading the UWN
[05:03] <newz2000> I will think of the best way to do this tonight. Thanks for the encouragement
[05:03] <Burgundavia> and not telling long term contributors like myelf annoyed
[05:04] <Burgundavia> that was the stick behind the carrot
[05:04] <Burgundavia> ;)
[05:05] <newz2000> I'm not making so many scary changes. Mostly just trying to bring order. I don't know if that's possible with a wiki though.
[05:05] <newz2000> But I will try.
[05:05] <Burgundavia> wiki as in the ubuntu wiki or wiki as in moin on the ubuntu website?
[05:06] <newz2000> As you know from the doc team, when wikis get big, they can be difficult to navigate. Therefore I want to try and make it easy to get people to their destination.
[05:06] <Burgundavia> yes
[05:07] <Burgundavia> would be nice to have a general plot of the ubuntu website
[05:07] <Burgundavia> showing the directory structure
[05:08] <newz2000> Yes, well, a lot of the content on the www.ubuntu.com website is outdated.
[05:08] <Burgundavia> tell me about it
[05:08] <Burgundavia> could you turn on html parsing on the ubuntu wiki?
[05:08] <newz2000> No, I highly doubt it.
[05:08] <Burgundavia> that would make it easier to develop pages like the front page on the ubuntu wiki and move them over
[05:09] <newz2000> wait, do you mean wiki.ubuntu.com or www.ubuntu.com?
[05:09] <Burgundavia> wiki.ubuntu.com will not take html
[05:09] <Burgundavia> and the frontpage of www is html
[05:09] <newz2000> You're refring to the [[HTML()] ]  macro?
[05:09] <newz2000> ^referring
[05:09] <Burgundavia> probably
[05:10] <newz2000> I don't think it's a good idea. If people could get JS into that site they could possibly do a cross site scripting attack on launchpad.
[05:11] <Burgundavia> but anon editing on the ubuntu is turned off
[05:11] <Burgundavia> I have never seen anybody edit maliciously on the ubuntu wiki
[05:11] <newz2000> Doesn't mean no one wants to, just that they haven't been able to.
[05:11] <Burgundavia> if they wanted to, they probably would have already
[05:12] <newz2000> The launchpad team is ultra-cautious on this matter, and I definately support them in it.
[05:12] <Burgundavia> ok
[05:12] <Burgundavia> hmm, we still need a play wiki however
[05:13] <Burgundavia> because big things like a new front page should be worked out there, not live
[05:13] <newz2000> That could be arranged I think.
[05:14] <newz2000> Would you create a support request? https://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-website/+addticket
[05:15] <newz2000> That way I can ensure it doesn't slip off the todo list and you'll be notified by e-mail when its ready.
[05:15] <Burgundavia> ok, will do
[05:15] <Burgundavia> would this not be better for rt?
[05:16] <BHSPitLappy> hi's
[05:17] <newz2000> Burgundavia: That's fine too
[05:17] <newz2000> rt@ would be better
[05:18] <Burgundavia> hmm, too late
[05:19] <newz2000> No prob.
[05:19] <newz2000> :D It all works out.
[05:21] <newz2000> G'Night all. Thanks for the suggestions Corey.
[05:21] <Burgundavia> no worries, thanks for listening
[05:36] <troy_s> Burgundavia
[05:36] <troy_s> you in?
[05:37] <Burgundavia> troy_s: I am
[05:37] <troy_s> Burgundavia hold tight... i have a link for you.
[08:18] <msikma> What are the colors of Kubuntu going to be again?
[08:19] <Burgundavia> msikma: purple and more purple. You are going to love purple
[08:19] <msikma> violet or magenta?
[08:21] <Burgundavia> no idea, I use GNOME
[08:24] <BHSPitLappy> hi
[08:25] <msikma> Next cycle, we really should try centralizing artwork making efforts.
[08:25] <BHSPitLappy> that sounds ominous
[08:26] <BHSPitLappy> art is such a difficult subject... it's much easier to agree upon good code than good art
[11:02] <lapo> hey bersace
[11:03] <bersace> hi
[11:03] <lapo> looks like your gnome scan interfaces is well accepted in the gnome community congrats
[11:03] <bersace> lapo: thanks
[11:03] <BHSPitLappy> link?
[11:03] <lapo> bersace: let's talk about icons there
[11:04] <bersace> yep
[11:04] <lapo> bersace: if I bother dobey enough perhaps we could have a generic scanner icon
[11:05] <lapo> bersace: I see you are using different icons for various scanner models, I think those one should be optional and if none are found it should fall back to the generic scanner
[11:05] <lapo> icon
[11:05] <lapo> does that sound doable?
[11:05] <bersace> this is the case right now
[11:05] <lapo> cool
[11:05] <bersace> see http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/gnomescan/trunk/libgnomescanui/icons/
[11:05] <bersace> input-scanner is generic
[11:05] <bersace> input-scanner-* is specific
[11:06] <lapo> bersace: if you find a wat to eneralize the icon name somehow something like
[11:07] <lapo> specific scanner model (e.g. epson something) -> generic scanner type (e.g. flatbed scanner) -> generic scanner icon fallback should be cool
[11:09] <andreasn> isn't this icon in the naming-spec these days? http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/*checkout*/gnomescan/trunk/libgnomescanui/icons/rotate-90.png?rev=4
[11:10] <bersace> andreasn: maybe
[11:10] <bersace> but i didn't find a stock_id for that
[11:10] <bersace> so i create a StockItem
[11:10] <bersace> so and provide the icon
[11:10] <bersace> (i made the icon myself)
[11:10] <bersace> andreasn: i read gimp and eog code to see how they did that
[11:11] <bersace> they used their own icons too :(
[11:11] <andreasn> bersace: I think they are in the spec, but for some reason we don't have it in g-i-t yet
[11:11] <bersace> i'll see it later
[11:11] <bersace> ok
[11:11] <andreasn> I'll look into it
[11:11] <bersace> would be nice to have icon *and* stock item
[11:11] <bersace> in libgnome
[11:11] <bersace> or libgnomeui
[11:11] <bersace> or gtk
[02:32] <fschoep> troy_s: ping
[02:35] <kwwii_> moin fschoep
[02:35] <fschoep> kwwii_: Hi
[02:36] <kwwii_> fschoep: does the ubuntu usplash have a black bg or is it a fullscreen colored thing?
[02:36] <fschoep> I think it's colored
[02:36] <fschoep> Haven't seen it yet :)
[02:36] <kwwii_> yeah, I haven't seen the kubuntu either
[02:37] <fschoep> Hmm :)
[02:37] <fschoep> Troublesome.
[02:37] <fschoep> Knot3 is packaged tonight I think
[02:39] <kwwii_> really?
[02:39] <kwwii_> oh shit
[02:39] <kwwii_> I wanted to get some more stuff in
[02:39] <fschoep> Do so quickly, see Tollef's mail to u-dev
[02:39] <fschoep> Ping him on IRC
[02:40] <kwwii_> it will be packaged on wednesday
[02:40] <kwwii_> whew, I was scared
[02:40] <kwwii_> tody is my wedding anniversary (9 years).../me goes to buy flowers for his wife
[02:40] <kwwii_> bbl
[02:41] <fschoep> ..." I am aiming for a freeze of
[02:41] <fschoep> main from tomorrow morning.."
[02:41] <fschoep> kwwii_: congratulations!
[02:44] <kwwii_> fschoep: thanks :-)
[02:44] <kwwii_> fschoep: when Riddel says I have till Wednesday, then I trust him (I guess kubuntu has a slightly diffferent schedule)
[02:45] <fschoep> kwwii_: Kubuntu might have indeed :)
[02:45] <fschoep> kwwii_: they do have a different agenda as far as I know ;)
[02:45] <kwwii_> hehe
[02:45] <kwwii_> yeah, ours agenda is purple, not brown
[02:45] <kwwii_> ;-)
[02:46] <fschoep> ba-dum - kssh
[02:49] <fschoep> kwwii_: Did you see the current Edgy artwork?
[02:49] <fschoep> Like wallpaper and GDM
[02:51] <kwwii_> fschoep: nope, but I looked at a link with a wallpaper in it (with blue in the right top corner)...is that it?
[02:51] <fschoep> Right
[02:51] <fschoep> Say - if you didn't know the backstory
[02:51] <kwwii_> fschoep: do you have pics of the whole thing somewhere
[02:51] <fschoep> What would you think of it?
[02:52] <fschoep> Yes, hold on -
[02:52] <fschoep> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/EdgyArtworkPlan/Produce/Incoming/CurrentDefault
[02:52] <fschoep> It's a bit widescreenish on that link, but the design's intact
[02:53] <kwwii_> while Ilike the use of the blue (before it was too mono-tonal) it is still quite brown to me :-)
[02:53] <fschoep> Hehe
[02:53] <kwwii_> the login splash is nice
[02:54] <fschoep> Thanks on your expert opinion!
[02:54] <kwwii_> ;-)
[02:54] <fschoep> Do you have a page with the current Kubuntu look for Knot3?
[02:54] <kwwii_> I just wish I could see the usplash stuff (both of them)
[02:55] <fschoep> +1 from me
[02:55] <kwwii_> kinda hard to design something this late in the game without being able even see it
[02:55] <fschoep> Like shooting in the dark, literally
[02:55] <kwwii_> it almost seems to me like someone wants to have the same problems as last time
[02:55] <kwwii_> but anyway, enough conspiracy theory
[02:56] <fschoep> :)
[02:56] <kwwii_> buying my wife flowers
[02:56] <fschoep> OK have a good time
[02:56] <kwwii_> see you
[02:56] <fschoep> And dinner tonight eh
[02:56] <kwwii_> :-)
[02:56] <fschoep> see you too
[02:59] <msikma> fschoep: did you get infos from Troy about my usplash work yet?
[02:59] <fschoep> msikma: A bit, but if you can tell me a bit more that'd be nice.
[04:02] <msikma> hi everyeone
[09:05] <msikma> Hello
[09:05] <PingunZ> hey msikma
[09:06] <msikma> Anyone have a link to the Kubuntu logo?
[09:07] <msikma> Man the Ubuntu site is awful
[09:07] <msikma> When I get less stress from work I will try to suggest something to patch it up. I think it's pretty bad.
[09:08] <PingunZ> msikma, its not good, not bad either
[09:08] <PingunZ> the banner need a cleanup :)
[09:08] <msikma> It's pretty terrible I'd say
[09:09] <msikma> The main page is one big lump of clutter and ugly images and bad design practices
[09:09] <msikma> And text
[09:13] <msikma> Anybody around who's actively involved in Kubuntu artwork?
[09:36] <frandavid100> hiya!
[09:36] <frandavid100> I'd like to ask a question
[09:37] <frandavid100> is there a chance to pack a given program to use tango icons even if that's not the default?
[09:37] <frandavid100> I'm thinking gaim, or gimp
[09:51] <msikma> I would like to make a Kubuntu usplash using the new technology that we now have, consistent with the Ubuntu usplash experiments that I've done earlier, but I have no idea about its style/art guidelines
[09:51] <msikma> http://thingmajig.org/tmp/usplash_plus/final/kubuntu_rlsl_0.gif
[09:55] <kwwii_> Seveas: ping?
[09:55] <kwwii_> msikma: hehe, that is purple!
[09:56] <kwwii_> msikma: I guess I could help you with the guidelines
[09:56] <msikma> Perhaps! You're very active in Kubuntu, right?
[09:56] <kwwii_> yeah, you could say that :-)
[09:56] <kwwii_> I am the AIC for kubuntu
[09:57] <kwwii_> and happened to do all the artwork too
[09:57] <msikma> awesome
[09:57] <msikma> so how is that experiment in terms of new Kubuntu art guidelines?
[09:58] <msikma> I didn't want to stick to just one hue so I messed around with it a bit and let it use red as well.
[09:58] <msikma> e.g. Violet --> Magenta
[09:59] <kwwii_> until now it looks like we will be using a light blue (almost cyan) to purple colored bg
[09:59] <kwwii_> and colorscheme, etc.
[10:00] <sladen> msikma: pretty!
[10:01] <msikma> kwwii_: that means I'm right about the hue thing, but it's just that I'm on the wrong side of purple :)
[10:01] <msikma> sladen: thanks
[10:01] <kwwii_> msikma: http://bootsplash.org/newtest5a.png shows you the colors we are using
[10:01] <kwwii_> msikma: exactly
[10:01] <msikma> 403
[10:04] <kwwii_> oops, rights, sorry
[10:04] <kwwii_> fixed
[10:05] <msikma> very nice
[10:06] <kwwii_> that will be included in knot3
[10:06] <msikma> hmm
[10:06] <msikma> http://thingmajig.org/tmp/usplash_plus/final/kubuntu_rlsl_1.gif
[10:06] <msikma> I will need to look into it further
[10:07] <kwwii_> that is pretty close though, you just need to reduce the saturation a bit and increase the lightness
[10:08] <Seveas> kwwii_, pong
[10:08] <kwwii_> Seveas: how big can an animation be? (file size, I assume is the important part)
[10:09] <Seveas> kwwii_, technically unlimited, but please keep in mind that CDs have VERY limited space
[10:09] <kwwii_> Seveas: so read time and such are not important?
[10:10] <Seveas> if you hit read time bottlenecks with animation you must be doing full screen plasma flows
[10:10] <kwwii_> hehe
[10:10] <kwwii_> I have something pretty small in mind, but I need more than 15 frames to do it right
[10:10] <Seveas> you can use as much frames as you want
[10:11] <Seveas> but should use as little as possible
[10:12] <kwwii_> ok, here is my second question: is it possible to read a series of pics and display them as an animation and then once that is through go through them in reverse order?
[10:12] <kwwii_> that would reduce the number of frames needed by half
[10:12] <Seveas> sure
[10:12] <Seveas> that's basically what the pulsating throbber is doing
[10:12] <kwwii_> ok cool...I am going to make a few animations as gif, I'll post them and ping you tomorrow when I am done
[10:13] <kwwii_> basically, I am thinking of doing some volumetric lighting
[10:13] <Seveas> do you know imagemagick a bit?
[10:13] <kwwii_> yepp, pretty well
[10:14] <Seveas> nice, then I'll ail you a list of questions later -- I want to use imagemagick more for automating the artwork building process
[10:15] <kwwii_> cool, I have a lot of experience using imagemagick in scripts
[10:15] <Seveas> rock
[10:16] <kwwii_> I had a set of scripts using imagemagick and batik which rendered the entire artwork for a full suse distro from a few SVGs :-)
[10:16] <kwwii_> I could never have kept up with the work otherwise
[10:34] <msikma> kwwii_: how's this? http://thingmajig.org/tmp/usplash_plus/final/kubuntu_rlsl_2.gif
[10:35] <msikma> (background should be a bit darker though, probably.)
[10:36] <kwwii_> yeah, probably, darker would be better
[10:36] <kwwii_> and slower
[10:36] <msikma> http://thingmajig.org/tmp/usplash_plus/final/kubuntu_rlsl_3.gif slightly darker bg
[10:36] <msikma> I'm not really concerned about the speed, since that can always be programatically changed.
[10:37] <kwwii_> well, as long as you have enough frames
[10:37] <kwwii_> it feels to me like it has too much saturation
[10:37] <msikma> Yeah, but I'd like to wait for seeing it used in a real, working state before changing the resolution.
[10:38] <msikma> perhaps. these are dark tones, though, and less saturated dark tones look extremely boring while the problem isn't as big with light tones.
[10:38] <kwwii_> exactly
[10:38] <kwwii_> the darker tones can be saturated, but the lighter tones not so
[10:39] <msikma> let's see if I can try fixing that
[10:47] <msikma> http://thingmajig.org/tmp/usplash_plus/final/kubuntu_rlsl_5.gif
[10:47] <kwwii_> somehow the lighter violet tones bother me
[10:47] <kwwii_> I like the darker colors
[10:47] <kwwii_> and the very light color
[10:48] <kwwii_> you might try with a colored logo and only shine white light onto it
[10:51] <msikma> hmm, I kind of like the light violet. It's a very peaceful color to me.
[10:51] <msikma> I tried nabbing some colors from that background, but I guess I'll try again
[10:55] <kwwii_> hehe
[10:55] <kwwii_> the colors in that background are funky
[10:55] <kwwii_> it is very colorful, even though you do not get that impression when you look at it
[10:59] <msikma> arrrggh stupid 8 bit per channel color depth
[10:59] <msikma> I want to edit stuff in real time with 32 bit per channel but that disallows me from using a bunch of tools/filters in Photoshop
[11:00] <msikma> so after a bunch of color filters I'm forced to flatten my background and add a gaussian blur to it to take care of the posterize-like effect
[11:01] <msikma> how's this? http://thingmajig.org/tmp/usplash_plus/final/kubuntu_rlsl_6.gif
[11:09] <BHSPitLappy> purdy
[11:10] <BHSPitLappy> a purer shade of blue?
[11:10] <BHSPitLappy> instead of violet?
[11:23] <kwwii_> msikma: that is *much* closer
[11:24] <kwwii_> I guess the idea would be to put that pic on top of the wallpaper used and see how well it matches