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[02:31] hehe === kwwii goes to bed now [02:31] sleep well [02:31] erm, sleep well, everyone who is going to bed with me [02:31] :p === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === PseudoPlacebo [n=Placebo@user-12lcr8r.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === kwwii [n=kwwii@p549577EE.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ubuntu-artwork ["Konversation] === PseudoPlacebo [n=Placebo@user-12lcr8r.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === newz2000 [n=matt@12-216-147-124.client.mchsi.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [04:54] troy_s: ping [04:54] howdy newz [04:55] newz2000hey [04:55] newz2000: hey, rather [04:55] Howdy [04:55] did you get my email? [04:56] Let me look [04:56] Oh, Corey. :D [04:56] Yes, I got it. [04:56] I am working on the reorg. I do want help, but I'm not sure what is appropriate. [04:57] putting some plans on the wiki would be a great start [04:58] I need to talk to my boss and see what she thinks. [04:58] maybe an email about the general scope, what is outside of it, etc. [04:59] Let me think on it tonight and talk to Jane tomorrow. At the very least I'll contact you, but I know therea re some areas I will need help with. [04:59] I mean. I am an editor to the website and i don't even know if you are planning to move off moin, etc. [04:59] We're not moving off of moin [04:59] kind of curtails the enthusiasm, if you know what I mean [04:59] Keeping moin? [04:59] no, not knowing what is going to happen [04:59] moin is fin [04:59] fine, rather [05:00] nice fruedian slip [05:00] I see. Yes, well, I can make some announcements about the scope of the project. I think it will be a bit underwhelming. [05:01] well, one of the key things volunteers are good at is doing small, well defined tasks === dinda [n=dinda@cpe-72-181-89-221.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [05:02] hence if you spend some time specing out the project and define small tasks, you can very easily lift almost half of it off your shoulders [05:02] Yes, you're right. [05:02] plus people really love it when they are part of something larger [05:03] I have really found that leading the UWN [05:03] I will think of the best way to do this tonight. Thanks for the encouragement [05:03] and not telling long term contributors like myelf annoyed [05:04] that was the stick behind the carrot [05:04] ;) [05:05] I'm not making so many scary changes. Mostly just trying to bring order. I don't know if that's possible with a wiki though. [05:05] But I will try. [05:05] wiki as in the ubuntu wiki or wiki as in moin on the ubuntu website? [05:06] As you know from the doc team, when wikis get big, they can be difficult to navigate. Therefore I want to try and make it easy to get people to their destination. [05:06] yes [05:07] would be nice to have a general plot of the ubuntu website [05:07] showing the directory structure [05:08] Yes, well, a lot of the content on the www.ubuntu.com website is outdated. [05:08] tell me about it [05:08] could you turn on html parsing on the ubuntu wiki? [05:08] No, I highly doubt it. [05:08] that would make it easier to develop pages like the front page on the ubuntu wiki and move them over [05:09] wait, do you mean wiki.ubuntu.com or www.ubuntu.com? [05:09] wiki.ubuntu.com will not take html [05:09] and the frontpage of www is html [05:09] You're refring to the [[HTML()] ] macro? [05:09] ^referring [05:09] probably [05:10] I don't think it's a good idea. If people could get JS into that site they could possibly do a cross site scripting attack on launchpad. [05:11] but anon editing on the ubuntu is turned off [05:11] I have never seen anybody edit maliciously on the ubuntu wiki === PseudoPlacebo [n=Placebo@user-12lcr8r.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [05:11] Doesn't mean no one wants to, just that they haven't been able to. [05:11] if they wanted to, they probably would have already [05:12] The launchpad team is ultra-cautious on this matter, and I definately support them in it. [05:12] ok [05:12] hmm, we still need a play wiki however [05:13] because big things like a new front page should be worked out there, not live [05:13] That could be arranged I think. [05:14] Would you create a support request? https://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-website/+addticket [05:15] That way I can ensure it doesn't slip off the todo list and you'll be notified by e-mail when its ready. [05:15] ok, will do [05:15] would this not be better for rt? [05:16] hi's [05:17] Burgundavia: That's fine too [05:17] rt@ would be better [05:18] hmm, too late [05:19] No prob. [05:19] :D It all works out. [05:21] G'Night all. Thanks for the suggestions Corey. [05:21] no worries, thanks for listening [05:36] Burgundavia [05:36] you in? [05:37] troy_s: I am [05:37] Burgundavia hold tight... i have a link for you. === msikma [n=msikma@s55933ad4.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === msikma [n=msikma@s55933ad4.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [08:18] What are the colors of Kubuntu going to be again? [08:19] msikma: purple and more purple. You are going to love purple [08:19] violet or magenta? [08:21] no idea, I use GNOME [08:24] hi [08:25] Next cycle, we really should try centralizing artwork making efforts. [08:25] that sounds ominous [08:26] art is such a difficult subject... it's much easier to agree upon good code than good art === msikma makes kubuntu usplash when he gets home === andreasn [n=andreas@h151n2fls33o839.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === klepas [n=klepas@203-213-31-142.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === effraie [n=effraie@jem75-1-82-228-146-152.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-artwork.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === Topic for #ubuntu-artwork: Welcome! =-=-= Most current news and items https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/EdgyArtworkPlan/Produce/Incoming/ =-=-= Start at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork =-=-= Tasks at http://www.launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-art/+specs =-=-= IRC Logs at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ =-=-= === Topic (#ubuntu-artwork): set by troy_s at Tue Sep 5 00:40:15 2006 === effraie [n=effraie@jem75-1-82-228-146-152.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === effraie [n=effraie@jem75-1-82-228-146-152.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === lapo [n=lapo@host102-254-static.189-82-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === bersace [n=bersace@did75-13-82-243-217-90.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [11:02] hey bersace [11:03] hi [11:03] looks like your gnome scan interfaces is well accepted in the gnome community congrats [11:03] lapo: thanks [11:03] link? [11:03] bersace: let's talk about icons there [11:04] yep [11:04] bersace: if I bother dobey enough perhaps we could have a generic scanner icon [11:05] bersace: I see you are using different icons for various scanner models, I think those one should be optional and if none are found it should fall back to the generic scanner [11:05] icon [11:05] does that sound doable? [11:05] this is the case right now [11:05] cool [11:05] see http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/gnomescan/trunk/libgnomescanui/icons/ [11:05] input-scanner is generic [11:05] input-scanner-* is specific [11:06] bersace: if you find a wat to eneralize the icon name somehow something like [11:07] specific scanner model (e.g. epson something) -> generic scanner type (e.g. flatbed scanner) -> generic scanner icon fallback should be cool [11:09] isn't this icon in the naming-spec these days? http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/*checkout*/gnomescan/trunk/libgnomescanui/icons/rotate-90.png?rev=4 [11:10] andreasn: maybe [11:10] but i didn't find a stock_id for that [11:10] so i create a StockItem [11:10] so and provide the icon [11:10] (i made the icon myself) [11:10] andreasn: i read gimp and eog code to see how they did that [11:11] they used their own icons too :( [11:11] bersace: I think they are in the spec, but for some reason we don't have it in g-i-t yet [11:11] i'll see it later [11:11] ok [11:11] I'll look into it [11:11] would be nice to have icon *and* stock item [11:11] in libgnome [11:11] or libgnomeui [11:11] or gtk === dborg_ is now known as dborg === exs [n=exs@81-179-146-201.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === kwwii_ [n=kwwii@p54955AE4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === msikma [n=msikma@213-84-96-177.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === fschoep [n=franksch@adsl-dc-35cb8.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [02:32] troy_s: ping [02:35] moin fschoep [02:35] kwwii_: Hi [02:36] fschoep: does the ubuntu usplash have a black bg or is it a fullscreen colored thing? [02:36] I think it's colored [02:36] Haven't seen it yet :) [02:36] yeah, I haven't seen the kubuntu either [02:37] Hmm :) [02:37] Troublesome. [02:37] Knot3 is packaged tonight I think [02:39] really? [02:39] oh shit [02:39] I wanted to get some more stuff in [02:39] Do so quickly, see Tollef's mail to u-dev [02:39] Ping him on IRC [02:40] it will be packaged on wednesday [02:40] whew, I was scared [02:40] tody is my wedding anniversary (9 years).../me goes to buy flowers for his wife [02:40] bbl [02:41] ..." I am aiming for a freeze of [02:41] main from tomorrow morning.." [02:41] kwwii_: congratulations! [02:44] fschoep: thanks :-) [02:44] fschoep: when Riddel says I have till Wednesday, then I trust him (I guess kubuntu has a slightly diffferent schedule) [02:45] kwwii_: Kubuntu might have indeed :) [02:45] kwwii_: they do have a different agenda as far as I know ;) [02:45] hehe [02:45] yeah, ours agenda is purple, not brown [02:45] ;-) [02:46] ba-dum - kssh [02:49] kwwii_: Did you see the current Edgy artwork? [02:49] Like wallpaper and GDM [02:51] fschoep: nope, but I looked at a link with a wallpaper in it (with blue in the right top corner)...is that it? [02:51] Right [02:51] Say - if you didn't know the backstory [02:51] fschoep: do you have pics of the whole thing somewhere [02:51] What would you think of it? [02:52] Yes, hold on - [02:52] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/EdgyArtworkPlan/Produce/Incoming/CurrentDefault [02:52] It's a bit widescreenish on that link, but the design's intact [02:53] while Ilike the use of the blue (before it was too mono-tonal) it is still quite brown to me :-) [02:53] Hehe [02:53] the login splash is nice [02:54] Thanks on your expert opinion! [02:54] ;-) [02:54] Do you have a page with the current Kubuntu look for Knot3? [02:54] I just wish I could see the usplash stuff (both of them) [02:55] +1 from me [02:55] kinda hard to design something this late in the game without being able even see it [02:55] Like shooting in the dark, literally [02:55] it almost seems to me like someone wants to have the same problems as last time [02:55] but anyway, enough conspiracy theory [02:56] :) === kwwii_ is off shopping, bbl [02:56] buying my wife flowers [02:56] OK have a good time [02:56] see you [02:56] And dinner tonight eh [02:56] :-) [02:56] see you too === PseudoPlacebo [n=Placebo@user-12lcr8r.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [02:59] fschoep: did you get infos from Troy about my usplash work yet? [02:59] msikma: A bit, but if you can tell me a bit more that'd be nice. === effraie [n=effraie@jem75-1-82-228-146-152.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === _ion [i=johan@kiviniemi.name] has left #ubuntu-artwork [":q"] [04:02] hi everyeone === fschoep [n=franksch@adsl-dc-35cb8.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === SS2 [n=SS2@dslb-084-057-047-061.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === klepas is now known as klepas_Zzz === exs [n=exs@81-179-146-201.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === PingunZ [n=kristof@59.180-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === msikma [n=msikma@s55933ad4.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === PseudoPlacebo [n=Placebo@user-12lcr8r.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === bersace [n=bersace@did75-13-82-243-217-90.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [09:05] Hello [09:05] hey msikma [09:06] Anyone have a link to the Kubuntu logo? === effraie [n=effraie@82.228.146.152] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [09:07] Man the Ubuntu site is awful [09:07] When I get less stress from work I will try to suggest something to patch it up. I think it's pretty bad. [09:08] msikma, its not good, not bad either [09:08] the banner need a cleanup :) [09:08] It's pretty terrible I'd say [09:09] The main page is one big lump of clutter and ugly images and bad design practices [09:09] And text [09:13] Anybody around who's actively involved in Kubuntu artwork? === glatzor [n=sebi@ppp-82-135-82-91.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === frandavid100 [n=david@84-123-96-251.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [09:36] hiya! [09:36] I'd like to ask a question [09:37] is there a chance to pack a given program to use tango icons even if that's not the default? [09:37] I'm thinking gaim, or gimp === frandavid100 [n=david@84-123-96-251.onocable.ono.com] has left #ubuntu-artwork [] [09:51] I would like to make a Kubuntu usplash using the new technology that we now have, consistent with the Ubuntu usplash experiments that I've done earlier, but I have no idea about its style/art guidelines [09:51] http://thingmajig.org/tmp/usplash_plus/final/kubuntu_rlsl_0.gif [09:55] Seveas: ping? [09:55] msikma: hehe, that is purple! [09:56] msikma: I guess I could help you with the guidelines [09:56] Perhaps! You're very active in Kubuntu, right? [09:56] yeah, you could say that :-) [09:56] I am the AIC for kubuntu [09:57] and happened to do all the artwork too [09:57] awesome [09:57] so how is that experiment in terms of new Kubuntu art guidelines? [09:58] I didn't want to stick to just one hue so I messed around with it a bit and let it use red as well. [09:58] e.g. Violet --> Magenta [09:59] until now it looks like we will be using a light blue (almost cyan) to purple colored bg [09:59] and colorscheme, etc. [10:00] msikma: pretty! [10:01] kwwii_: that means I'm right about the hue thing, but it's just that I'm on the wrong side of purple :) [10:01] sladen: thanks [10:01] msikma: http://bootsplash.org/newtest5a.png shows you the colors we are using [10:01] msikma: exactly [10:01] 403 [10:04] oops, rights, sorry [10:04] fixed [10:05] very nice [10:06] that will be included in knot3 [10:06] hmm [10:06] http://thingmajig.org/tmp/usplash_plus/final/kubuntu_rlsl_1.gif [10:06] I will need to look into it further === msikma afk for now [10:07] that is pretty close though, you just need to reduce the saturation a bit and increase the lightness [10:08] kwwii_, pong [10:08] Seveas: how big can an animation be? (file size, I assume is the important part) [10:09] kwwii_, technically unlimited, but please keep in mind that CDs have VERY limited space [10:09] Seveas: so read time and such are not important? [10:10] if you hit read time bottlenecks with animation you must be doing full screen plasma flows [10:10] hehe [10:10] I have something pretty small in mind, but I need more than 15 frames to do it right [10:10] you can use as much frames as you want [10:11] but should use as little as possible [10:12] ok, here is my second question: is it possible to read a series of pics and display them as an animation and then once that is through go through them in reverse order? [10:12] that would reduce the number of frames needed by half [10:12] sure [10:12] that's basically what the pulsating throbber is doing [10:12] ok cool...I am going to make a few animations as gif, I'll post them and ping you tomorrow when I am done [10:13] basically, I am thinking of doing some volumetric lighting [10:13] do you know imagemagick a bit? [10:13] yepp, pretty well [10:14] nice, then I'll ail you a list of questions later -- I want to use imagemagick more for automating the artwork building process [10:15] cool, I have a lot of experience using imagemagick in scripts [10:15] rock [10:16] I had a set of scripts using imagemagick and batik which rendered the entire artwork for a full suse distro from a few SVGs :-) [10:16] I could never have kept up with the work otherwise [10:34] kwwii_: how's this? http://thingmajig.org/tmp/usplash_plus/final/kubuntu_rlsl_2.gif [10:35] (background should be a bit darker though, probably.) [10:36] yeah, probably, darker would be better [10:36] and slower [10:36] http://thingmajig.org/tmp/usplash_plus/final/kubuntu_rlsl_3.gif slightly darker bg [10:36] I'm not really concerned about the speed, since that can always be programatically changed. [10:37] well, as long as you have enough frames [10:37] it feels to me like it has too much saturation [10:37] Yeah, but I'd like to wait for seeing it used in a real, working state before changing the resolution. [10:38] perhaps. these are dark tones, though, and less saturated dark tones look extremely boring while the problem isn't as big with light tones. [10:38] exactly [10:38] the darker tones can be saturated, but the lighter tones not so [10:39] let's see if I can try fixing that [10:47] http://thingmajig.org/tmp/usplash_plus/final/kubuntu_rlsl_5.gif [10:47] somehow the lighter violet tones bother me [10:47] I like the darker colors [10:47] and the very light color [10:48] you might try with a colored logo and only shine white light onto it [10:51] hmm, I kind of like the light violet. It's a very peaceful color to me. [10:51] I tried nabbing some colors from that background, but I guess I'll try again [10:55] hehe [10:55] the colors in that background are funky [10:55] it is very colorful, even though you do not get that impression when you look at it [10:59] arrrggh stupid 8 bit per channel color depth [10:59] I want to edit stuff in real time with 32 bit per channel but that disallows me from using a bunch of tools/filters in Photoshop [11:00] so after a bunch of color filters I'm forced to flatten my background and add a gaussian blur to it to take care of the posterize-like effect [11:01] how's this? http://thingmajig.org/tmp/usplash_plus/final/kubuntu_rlsl_6.gif [11:09] purdy [11:10] a purer shade of blue? [11:10] instead of violet? === bersace [n=bersace@did75-13-82-243-217-90.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [11:23] msikma: that is *much* closer [11:24] I guess the idea would be to put that pic on top of the wallpaper used and see how well it matches