[12:30] <Flannel> why would it be?
[12:30] <Burgundavia> Flannel: there are serious trademark concerns
[12:30] <Burgundavia> it is not an offiical ubuntu project
[12:30] <Flannel> isn't it called something else though?
[12:31] <Burgundavia> there is Icthux, which is KDE
[12:31] <Burgundavia> uce is GNOME
[12:31] <Flannel> Ah, maybe thats what I was confusing
[12:31] <Burgundavia> icthux is the right way to do it, uce is not
[12:32] <Burgundavia> sadly uce has gotten more press
[12:32] <Flannel> right.  I wasnt aware they weren't one and the same
[12:32] <Flannel> that's because the creator made a big hubub in the forums
[12:32] <Burgundavia> and bought advertising on DistroWatch
[12:32] <Flannel> oh?
[12:32] <Flannel> How random
[12:32] <Burgundavia> that is how he got listed so quickly
[12:34] <Flannel> still not sure why it's not just an easyubuntu-ish script that'll christianize (that's like jazzercize) your ubuntu
[12:35] <Flannel> CE... so misleading.  Everytime I see it, I think mobile ;)
[12:52] <ompaul> CE the mark that traders get in .eu for consumer electronics
[12:52] <ompaul> CE the mark that traders get in .eu for consumer electical kit sorry
[12:53] <ompaul> approved
[12:55] <Burgundavia> ompaul: sorry?
[12:56] <ompaul> Burgundavia, as Flannel siad "CE... so misleading."
[12:56] <Burgundavia> ah, yes
[01:11] <johnlittle> http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/articlenews.aspx?type=internetNews&storyID=2006-09-10T223401Z_01_L1391607_RTRIDST_0_OUKIN-UK-AFRICA-OPENSOURCE.XML
[01:11] <johnlittle> Reuters story will have a huge impact
[01:14] <Burgundavia> johnlittle: can you add that to UWN 14?
[01:14] <johnlittle> already in progress
[01:14] <Burgundavia> cool, thanks
[01:15] <Burgundavia> johnlittle: you can ubuntu member yet?
[01:15] <johnlittle> no
[01:15] <Burgundavia> you should
[01:17] <Burgundavia> should I organize a UWN meeting?
[01:18] <johnlittle> for format issues?
[01:21] <Burgundavia> just a general meeting
[01:21] <Burgundavia> talk about format, non-english, new contributers
[01:22] <johnlittle> sounds like a good idea
[01:26] <Burgundavia> when is a good time?
[01:26] <Burgundavia> given we are the two most active conributors, I want us both there
[01:26] <Burgundavia> wednesday, thursday and friday work for me
[01:27] <johnlittle> what time are you thinking?
[01:27] <Burgundavia> anytime between midnight UTC and 5am UTC
[01:28] <johnlittle> Wed or Thur would work for me
[01:29] <Burgundavia> what timezone are you?
[01:29] <johnlittle> central
[01:30] <Burgundavia> right
[01:30] <Burgundavia> Wednesday, at 1am UTC? (that is 6pm for me and 8pm for you)
[01:31] <johnlittle> sounds good
[01:31] <Burgundavia> I will announce it
[01:32] <johnlittle> cool
[02:30] <Burgundavia> woot! my inbox is clear, for the first time is almost a month
[03:45] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, you wanted me earlier?
[04:02] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: just wanted you to edit the template, but you had already gone
[04:04] <elkbuntu> i've already edited the template to put in the menu/contents box
[04:05] <elkbuntu> i presumed that was what you were wanting from the talk i came back to after you'd gone to bed
[04:05] <Burgundavia> right
[04:06] <Burgundavia> I edited it more extensively
[04:07] <elkbuntu> fair enough. you knew what was needed as such
[04:08] <poningru> what are we working on?
[04:09] <Burgundavia> yes
[04:09] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/IssueTemplate <-- we were workiong this, to bring it into line with the latest UWN
[04:10] <Burgundavia> we are also writing on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue14
[04:29] <elkbuntu> meanwhile, did you enjoy your brief visit to -au ;)
[04:33] <Burgundavia> au?
[04:35] <elkbuntu> * Burgundavia (n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia) has joined #ubuntu-au
[04:35] <elkbuntu> * Burgundavia (n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia) has left #ubuntu-au ("Leaving")
[04:35] <elkbuntu> ;)
[04:35] <Burgundavia> oh
[04:36] <Burgundavia> yes, I wondered how many people au had managed to attract
[04:36] <Burgundavia> given au and ca are very similar countiies
[04:36] <elkbuntu> in active times, above 40
[04:36] <Burgundavia> we rarely go above 20
[04:36] <elkbuntu> wow
[04:36] <Burgundavia> but then again, there is no Linux Canada
[04:37] <Burgundavia> is that self organization or did you go out and find people?
[04:37] <elkbuntu> fujitsu and yukicuss basically got it to 20 or so overnight.. then they got sucked back into school and so forth
[04:38] <Burgundavia> how much overlap is there between -au and LA?
[04:39] <elkbuntu> um.. there's a few LA members. LA is quite ubuntu-biased i think but it's still quite a seperate affair
[04:39] <Burgundavia> I almost wonder if it is our proximity to the US
[04:40] <elkbuntu> no, i wouldnt think. however jono was -thinking- about loco mentoring, and New Zealand's loco is a mess at the moment, but that's nothing to do with au. we have 1 nz'er in our midsts because the nz loco is the state it is and he's not much a community person
[04:41] <elkbuntu> ok that was like 2 thoughts in one
[04:42] <elkbuntu> but yeah. the us loco is fairly broken up by state now, so the canada loco should not be that disadvantaged by the proximity
[04:43] <Burgundavia> well, canada is a spread pretty thin
[04:43] <Burgundavia> au is mostly along the coast
[04:43] <Burgundavia> and tbh, I have not been that active is getting people out
[04:44] <elkbuntu> a good handfull are adelaide so south central, and there's perthians also
[04:44] <Burgundavia> having people like jdub and pia in your corner is a always a good thing
[04:45] <elkbuntu> well.. jdub is never -in- the loco channel and just rears his head on the list occasionally. pia is often in the channel, but often idle and even less occasionally pops up on the list
[04:45] <Burgundavia> plus running a loco team is basically a full time job
[04:45] <elkbuntu> tell me about it...
[04:45] <Burgundavia> that they exist and are high profile helps
[04:46] <elkbuntu> who got snared for the canada stickers distribution?
[04:46] <Burgundavia> I currently devote so much to ubuntu in general, it is hard
[04:46] <Burgundavia> me
[04:46] <Burgundavia> are you AU?
[04:46] <elkbuntu> yep
[04:46] <elkbuntu> im going to go check my PO box soon and see if i have ups from the 5 envelopes i got on friday
[04:46] <Burgundavia> no matter how many people are active, it always seems like 90% of the load is carried by 10% of the people
[04:47] <Burgundavia> I got 2 on Friday
[04:47] <elkbuntu> that is usually how things go with n-f-p things
[04:47] <Burgundavia> I expect to get a bunch more tomorrow
[04:47] <elkbuntu> i got 1 on wed, 1 on thur, 5 on fri..
[04:47] <elkbuntu> it's incremental i think ;)
[04:47] <Burgundavia> I need to publicize it more widely
[04:48] <Burgundavia> need a freaking crm
[04:48] <elkbuntu> i put it on our list, and have kept people uptodate with the progress, i think someone put it on the loco wiki page but i havent seen it
[04:48] <elkbuntu> crm?
[04:48] <Burgundavia> customer relations manager
[04:48] <Burgundavia> basically a database of contacts
[04:48] <Burgundavia> we need a simple one, to handle contacts and mailing to those contacts
[04:48] <elkbuntu> yeah.. i need a freaking job to support this freaking addiction ;)
[04:49] <elkbuntu> jono is open for talking mostly i've found
[04:49] <Burgundavia> figured I might play with civicrm
[04:49] <Burgundavia> see if meets our needs
[04:49] <Burgundavia> given I work with a crms all day atwork
[04:49] <elkbuntu> sure
[04:50] <elkbuntu> i suggest at some point having a talk to jono if you havent
[04:50] <Burgundavia> I will
[04:51] <Burgundavia> jono and I, despite having written a book together, have only talked once on the phone
[04:52] <elkbuntu> i know it's -yet another channel- but maybe join the -locoteams channel?
[04:52] <Burgundavia> hmm, thought I was
[04:52] <Burgundavia> must have lost it when i moved from my old install to this one
[04:52] <elkbuntu> easy to do
[04:54] <elkbuntu> anyway, i've got things to do and im sure you do also
[04:54] <Burgundavia> sort of. Need ot finish a cover letter for a new job
[04:55] <elkbuntu> i've got about a dozen of those to do sometime today also
[04:55] <Burgundavia> this is basically "finish the cover letter, they hire me"
[04:55] <elkbuntu> you lucky bastard
[04:55] <Burgundavia> right place, right time
[04:56] <elkbuntu> still, previous statement applies
[04:56] <elkbuntu> i havent had a proper job in years, did delivery work since and ruined a car in the process so :(
[04:57] <Burgundavia> right
[04:57] <elkbuntu> lets just say i really really suck at faking enthusiasm
[04:58] <Burgundavia> so you are currenlty unemployed?
[04:58] <elkbuntu> yep
[04:59] <elkbuntu> anyway, gotta go do some stuff, wont be long
[05:53] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, 9 envelopes today
[05:54] <Burgundavia> wow
[05:55] <elkbuntu> the effect is incremental
[05:55] <elkbuntu> ahahaha. this one's great:
[05:56] <elkbuntu> person's name
[05:56] <elkbuntu> registered linux user #....
[05:56] <elkbuntu> registered ubuntu user #....
[05:56] <elkbuntu> address
[05:56] <elkbuntu> he's seriously addressed it like that
[06:03] <elkbuntu> ok.. make that 10 envelopes.. one had 2 envelopes in it :)
[09:59] <livingdaylight> !seen madpilot
[10:00] <livingdaylight> !seen Madpilot
[05:45] <johnlittle> the effect of the reuters article: http://news.google.com/nwshp?tab=wn&q=Ubuntu&ie=UTF-8&scoring=d
[08:14] <Burgwork> http://edition.cnn.com/ <-- front page of cnn
[08:23] <johnlittle> yep..cnn stories have a very long shelf life too..i still get hits from the one I appeared in 3-4 years ago
[08:24] <Burgwork> ah, cool
[08:24] <Burgwork> too bad CNN is awful with external links
[08:24] <Burgwork> BBC is much better
[08:25] <Burgwork> hmm, nothing ont eh beeb yet
[08:28] <johnlittle> they tend to do their own thing more than they rehash the wires
[08:30] <Burgwork> yes, they do
[08:30] <Burgwork> makes them a better news organization
[08:30] <Burgwork> I think they have the largest organization of reporters in the world
[08:44] <nixternal> Thursday!
[08:45] <nixternal> have you guys been watching CNN Headline News?
[08:45] <nixternal> it has been on there all day long
[08:46] <nixternal> when they do the "Technology" thing they do, they talk very briefly about it
[08:53] <johnlittle> just switched over
[08:58] <nixternal> it is quick, and i mean. 5 to 10 seconds, as "Microsoft does something in Africa, and then something really quick about Cosmonaut and OSS"
[08:59] <nixternal> thats the stint of it
[08:59] <nixternal> they don't say Ubuntu, Canonical, Linux or nothing
[09:08] <johnlittle> Well that sucks but its all good. It gets us on the radar and will lead to more mainstream attention