=== spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [n=scott@syndicate.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nictuku [n=yves@ubuntu/member/nictuku] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:22] shell script pros: Looking for a trick to make a script process lines from a command as they come in. easy enough with a while read line pipe or otherwise. I want a timeout though. If the while loop doesn't exit within 30 seconds, I want it to break out. [12:23] Various ideas have popped up: fork sleep 30 && kill $$. That sucks. ;) === jono [n=jono@88-107-5-110.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lisi [n=Breezy@p54A3BEDE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lisi [n=Breezy@p54A3BEDE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:32] wasabi__: man read maybe [12:35] wasabi__: help read rather, but finally I don't think it'll help you, sorry === Jones_ [n=john@ool-4575ac6f.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@186.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:38] The one thing that doesn't work on my system is video. Something wrong relating to libxv1 I believe. flash plugin works with youtube etc. But videos don't work. mplayer/vlc/totem all included. If I do, mplayer -fs -vo x11 -zoom; it plays. But I can't just click on a video and play it, totem just shows a black screen.(the audio works fine on all players) [12:39] Are there any bugs relating to this for edgy? I couldn't find any...I wanted to make sure before I file a bug report. [12:39] I'm not really sure what to say on the bug report, just that video doesn't work I guess? I don't know exactly what the problem is. [12:39] what does xvinfo say? [12:39] I did apt-get build-dep libxv1; apt-get source libxv1; and I recompiled it from orig, but still doesn't work. [12:40] what error do you get when usin mplayer? [12:40] xav: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/Uknu2r25.html [12:41] http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/F7g6AU40.html (mplayer error) [12:41] I tried to play $HOME/Examples/Experience\ ubuntu.ogg [12:42] Doesn't work in Totem/vlc/mplayer. [12:43] did you try xv with another video? [12:43] yes, I tried an mpeg-1 video, and xvid(ogm) video. === grexk [n=grexk@124.107.72.45] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:44] morning everyone === treitter [n=treitter@adsl-75-22-179-141.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:48] how does the kernel versioning work? (ie, in linux-image-2.6.15-26.46, what are the numbers "26" and "46" for, exactly?) [12:48] in which place is it morning? === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:48] xav, Australia. [12:48] I'm thinking it might be because I dist-upgraded from dapper to edgy a couple days ago. And I should have just done a clean edgy install. So maybe I'll format when knot3 comes on in a few days, and if the problem is still there I'll file a bug. [12:49] xav, Philippines [12:49] ah yep [12:49] ok :) === geser [n=michael@dialin107041.justdsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:51] Jones_: that would be odd [12:51] treitter: 2.6.15 is the upstream kernel version number, 26 is the Ubuntu ABI, 46 is the number of revisions ubuntu has made since the 2.6.15 package === o_cee [n=oscar@c83-249-74-48.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:51] jdong: great! Thanks [12:51] treitter: 26 is changed every time a kernel change is made that would break binary compatability [12:51] xav: Well I can't figure it out. I don't know what is wrong with libxv1 [12:52] jdong: is this documented somewhere? I had no luck finding it on my own [12:52] treitter: I'm not sure if it's documented somewhere; good question [12:52] treitter: http://kernel.org/git/?p=linux/kernel/git/bcollins/ubuntu-dapper.git [12:52] Jones_: are you sure the problem is with libxv1 ? [12:52] that's a live browser of what goes into Dapper's kernel [12:53] treitter: in reality it's A LOT more than just a 2.6.15 kernel ;) [12:53] xav: no [12:57] jdong: so I hear :) === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-79f690e8d70a14d0] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:57] jdong: do the numbers start at 1? (ie, was the first 2.6.15 kernel 2.6.15-1.1?) [12:58] treitter: yep. [12:58] jdong: cool, thanks [12:59] jdong: is the git repo you pointed me to documentation, or an actual kernel? [12:59] jdong: it'd have to be worth it to install git to check it out :) [12:59] treitter: it's the git branch; I find the changelog really informative [12:59] treitter: there is documentation on the wiki for checking out git branches of ubuntu kernels [01:00] xav: What else could it be do you think? === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@d54C0F01A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:05] Jones_: the driver [01:06] I'll reboot into vesa and see how that does. === jelmer [n=jelmer@a62-251-123-16.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:08] Jones_: I didn't think that worked, but I've no clue [01:10] xav: hmm, yea things work in vesa [01:10] They're kind of slow/choppy when I play video and resize things [01:10] I wonder what is wrong with x.org's ati driver [01:12] ah, didn't know xv was possible with vesa === grexk [n=grexk@124.107.72.45] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === grexk [n=grexk@124.107.72.45] has joined #ubuntu-devel === didymo [n=ashley@CPE-61-9-197-223.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === roico [n=roico@bzq-88-154-231-32.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:25] is the common customization spec going to be implemented till edgy? === o_cee [n=oscar@c83-249-74-48.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:34] roico: I suspect you mean "by edgy" :p [01:34] well yeah, english is not my native, sorry... =\ [01:34] oh, meh, whoever registered that can't spell customisations :p === robertj [n=robertj@66-168-213-135.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:35] by the status, it would appear that it will be at least partially implemented for edgy === d1sc0rd [n=colin@dsl-241-83.zhonka.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:36] didn't we pass the feature freeze? [01:36] yes, and it hasn't been marked as deferred [01:36] whats deferred? [01:36] put away until later [01:37] though it wasn't mentioned in the FF meeting [01:37] anybody using ndiswrapper on edgy in here [01:38] Keybuk, licensing of tcl files. Know anything abou tthat? [01:38] Burgwork: uhh? [01:38] -v [01:39] Keybuk, I have some code here that I need to attach the GPL to [01:39] err? [01:39] -v [01:39] -v [01:39] -v [01:39] :p [01:39] re [01:40] I'd quite like to attach the GPL to the Windows source code ... doesn't mean I can [01:40] Keybuk: heh [01:40] right, this is code my company wrote [01:40] ok, so they own it [01:41] my new job as "Open Source Community Manager" at Userful means I get to cleanup the code to get it read to actually have code to build a community around [01:41] Keybuk: http://www.reactos.org/xhtml/en/index.html [01:41] sivang, indded === Jones_ [n=john@ool-4575ac6f.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:42] so I have a bunch of .tcl files. Do I need to append the "this is under the GPL" to all of them? [01:42] ok... [01:42] have you read the GPL? :p [01:42] yes, and this http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-howto.html [01:42] Burgwork: join the debian-legal mailing list [01:42] Jones_, I value my eyes and brain [01:43] Burgwork: quite nice to see something like that going on. [01:43] ok === o_cee [n=oscar@c83-249-74-48.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:43] sivang, trying hard to make sure it is code thrown over the wall [01:43] Burgwork: that kinda tells you the answer :p [01:43] Keybuk, in this instance, each tcl file is considered source? [01:45] I wouldsay so [01:45] ok, thank you [01:45] let me buy you a drink at the next develops summit === Burgwork goes off, grumbling about tcl and openacs [01:47] Burgwork: ;-) === o_cee [n=oscar@c83-249-74-48.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong_ [n=jdong@d192-24-235-141.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === treitter [n=treitter@adsl-75-22-179-138.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kaleo [i=boucault@arkana.iiens.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong_ [n=jdong@d192-24-235-141.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:11] ack, is dbus misbehaving with permissions for anyone else? [02:12] Heya === treitter [n=treitter@adsl-75-22-179-141.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=rudi@p508D87EA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === grexk is now known as grexk[BeeZ] === shackan [n=shackan@85-18-14-13.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:37] mjg59, ping === grexk[BeeZ] [n=grexk@124.107.72.45] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [02:40] Seveas: Hi [02:42] mjg59, would it be possible to add one more field to struct usplash_theme? I'd want a char* name in there, which can be used by a frontend I want to develop for edgy+1 but like to test on edgy systems -- I'll provide patches for the 4 existing themes [02:42] Seveas: Wurgh. [02:43] mjg59, an often asked question is how to switch between themes, so I thought: who not make it easy and learn some gtk along the way ;) === grexk [n=grexk@124.107.72.45] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:45] Heh. [02:45] Ok [02:45] Put it in the themes first [02:45] Actually, no, that's difficult [02:46] yeah [02:46] Put it in the .h but don't use it in the client [02:47] That way it won't care about the format of the themes changing [02:47] Providing the char* is at the end === jsgotangco_ [n=jsg123@210.4.11.66] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mbiebl [n=michael@dslb-084-056-226-069.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman_ [i=gman@nat/sun/x-c09f83398ca74c48] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-46f2b8e3bcd6e471] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chenluchuan [n=clcxxxx@220.231.40.162] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shenki [n=shenki@ppp70-187.lns3.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === johanbr [n=j@d154-20-236-61.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === grexk [n=grexk@124.107.72.45] has joined #ubuntu-devel === human_blip [n=mike@220.157.65.29] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi [n=wasabi@ubuntu/member/wasabi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robertj [n=robertj@68-117-221-30.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === amazingbill [n=bill@67.170.6.222] has joined #ubuntu-devel === administrator [i=jadaz87@unaffiliated/joejaxx] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === poningru [n=poningru@ip70-171-62-28.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === johanbr [n=j@d154-20-137-254.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:34] Can someone tell me when makedepend and imake will be gone? [04:35] they've been obsolete for the past couple months but removing them removes damn near everything on my system [04:36] They'll be gone when the packages which depend on them have been fixed. [04:37] how vague [04:37] If there are dependencies on them, that implies that they're not obsolete [04:37] anyway I have to test this new via driver and see if it kills my system, i'll reboot too. [04:37] mjg59: they don't seem to be in the repos, says synaptic === grexk [n=grexk@124.107.72.45] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [04:39] What bluefoxicy says is accurate. They're sitting on my system too. [04:39] driver check. [04:40] Oh [04:40] Because you still have transitional packages installed [04:41] apt is poor at dealing with that situation [04:41] It does that. === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:42] Which are the transitional packages? === bluefoxicy [n=bluefox@c-68-33-112-13.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:43] Works. [04:43] oh crap. everything that touches my disk is now getting IO errors. [04:43] uh oh! [04:44] wasabi, 'dpkg --list | grep transitional' [04:44] wasabi@kyoto:~$ ls [04:44] bash: /bin/ls: Input/output error === Fujitsu runs away from wasabi, as his system starts to combust. [04:44] Yeah I probably won't be here long. [04:44] Heh gtk icons are disappearing all over [04:45] bbl. =( [04:46] :( [04:46] Good luck! === mayday_jay [n=maydayja@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi [n=wasabi@ubuntu/member/wasabi] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:48] somehow it is now fixed. =/ that's scarey === johanbr [n=j@d154-20-236-61.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:59] https://launchpad.net/bugs/59997 - this has to win some sort of prize for the most amusingly misdirected bug [04:59] Malone bug 59997 in xen-3.0 "[edgy] xen fails to run" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] [04:59] Oh, that's interesting [04:59] I just got mail telling me it had been filed against usplash [04:59] mjg59: I reassigned already === wasabi [n=wasabi@ubuntu/member/wasabi] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:00] since he also filed bug 59998 which I closed as duplicate [05:00] Malone bug 59998 in xen-3.0 "[edgy] xen fails to run" [Untriaged,Rejected] http://launchpad.net/bugs/59998 [05:00] ajmitch: I kiss you === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.6.29.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:04] oh crap. my system is doing this io error stuff over and over again [05:04] might be new kernel === jamadagni [n=jamadagn@59.92.59.105] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:08] hello is mithrandir here? === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:12] jamadagni: It's 05:12 his time [05:14] mjg59: freeze cant be in place yet then :P [05:16] which is good. i want to test this fix to see that it really works, before getting a sponsor. === wasabi [n=ubuntu@c-67-166-172-239.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:17] Heh. Corruptex XFS. Big time. [05:18] wasabi: I did that [05:18] Oh? [05:18] 32->64 bit OS change, destroyed it [05:19] I thought XFS was arch neutral [05:19] allegedly [05:19] ahh fuck. I just repaired it in a 64bit livecd. [05:19] well, it is [05:19] I have probably just destroyed it [05:19] wasabi: haha [05:19] yes [05:19] I'm sorry, but.. yes [05:19] if you have a dirty log [05:19] god damnit. [05:19] and you use it in a 64bit sytem [05:19] it eats it [05:19] it just moved a shit ton of inodes to lost+found [05:19] yes, and even those are screwed [05:20] Well, I'll be mightily disappointed if so [05:20] well, that's exactly what happened to me [05:20] and the data was all gone [05:21] there's data THERE [05:21] but it's not the same data you had before === bluefoxicy [n=bluefox@c-68-33-112-13.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:21] Probably going to mount empty, with nothing except a lost+found [05:21] yep [05:22] there's lots of stuff in lost and found [05:22] but files aren't the same data [05:22] this is fixed in the latest XFS releases [05:22] right [05:22] don't use glxinfo. [05:22] I lost 1.4tb of data === bluefoxicy notes. [05:23] how can i run xfs_repair twice and have it fix things both times. [05:23] bah === jamadagni [n=jamadagn@59.92.59.105] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [05:24] wasabi: I know you want to make sure for yourself [05:24] but your data is toast [05:25] restore from backups (you have backups right?) [05:25] I keep my Big FIles on a seperate partition. [05:25] Which, hopefully, isn't fucked up. [05:25] unless you mounted it, it should be fine [05:25] There was some important stuff on /. We'll see. [05:26] My other partition is 800GB. No way to back it up. [05:26] yeah, that's my problem [05:27] this is why i now use LVM and make a snapshot daily [05:27] I'm getting close to giving up on XFS. [05:27] Lots of people seem to have trouble with XFS, like Martin Krafft: http://blog.madduck.net/geek/2006.08.09-through-with-xfs [05:27] prevents against accidental deletion and fs screwups [05:27] I like it a lot, but it's screwed up in various ways 3 times now. [05:28] XFS is a very large speed win for my large array with large files, so I stick with it, however for regular usage, it's not worth the hassle [05:28] Well, the LVM idea sounds good. Do a LVM snapshot + xfs_repair once a day... if xfs_repair finds ANYTHING, copy new files off and revert. [05:29] well, a snapshot isn't going to be clean unless you unmount, snapshot, remount [05:29] Yeah. That's fine, for my big data drive. [05:29] All movies. [05:31] Hmm. THere are files left. === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@221.221.151.215] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:32] try playing them, they will be jumpy and corrupted === mayday_jay [n=maydayja@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Tonio__ [n=tonio@179.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:49] So... any suggestions on a better / fs? Guess I could just go back to ext3 like everybody else. [05:50] I use XFS still on my large array [05:50] however I just use ext3 on most things [05:50] it Just Works [05:54] Well, since I'm reformatting, I mine as well install a 64 bit OS this time. === nixternal [n=nixterna@71.194.189.213] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:03] Kamion: ping? === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RnB-Tunes [n=RnB-Tune@p54982F75.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:17] http://www.RnB-Tunes.dl.am << new RnB, Hip Hop, Dancehall Tracks!!! free Download... CHECK IT!!!! === mode/#ubuntu-devel [+o Hobbsee] by ChanServ === mode/#ubuntu-devel [+b *!*@p54982F75.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] by Hobbsee === RnB-Tunes was kicked off #ubuntu-devel by Hobbsee (Hobbsee) === mode/#ubuntu-devel [-o Hobbsee] by ChanServ === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua_@122.0.231.224] has joined #ubuntu-devel === FliesLikeABrick [n=Ryan@about/rpi/rawdor] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mneptok [i=mneptok@mneptok.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:31] shake 'em on down! === holycow [n=a@mail.wjsgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nags [n=nags@125.16.129.16] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jvw_ [i=jeroen@220pc220.sshunet.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=sebi@ppp-82-135-82-91.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-120-239-162.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kristog [n=ballio@energ63.energ.polimi.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:22] morning guys === mneptok farts [07:23] hey sexy. [07:30] hi fabbione [07:30] hi Hobbsee === Kagou [n=Kagou@84.5.167.198] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:37] good morning === roico [n=roico@bzq-88-154-231-32.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:45] morning === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-120-239-162.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dieman [n=dieman@3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419716939937510582097.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Norgz [n=eroux@maisel-gw.enst-bretagne.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:33] Riddell: there seems to be some qt4 uninstallability issues in the kubuntu world today, but they don't seem to affect -desktop installability. Just a heads-up. === carlos [n=carlos@120.Red-88-16-37.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-devel === johanbr_ [n=j@d154-20-236-61.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Spads [n=spacehob@host-87-74-19-213.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lbm [n=lbm@82.192.173.92] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marilize [n=marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:59] Good morning [08:59] morning pitti, marilize [09:00] Burgundavia: encountered your name earlier when looking through open GNOME Foundation tickets :) === marilize hugs pitti and Burgundavia [09:01] mneptok: cool. If you process it quickly I will buy you alcohol in Boston [09:02] pitti: wasn't bug-buddy supposed to be disabled by apport? [09:02] Burgundavia: i'm not on the Membership Committee [09:03] (sorry) === Kagou [n=Kagou@84.5.167.198] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:03] HiddenWolf: no, until we have proper debug symbols, seb128 wants b-b to be enabled by default [09:03] mneptok: oh, too bad === pitti hugs marilize and Burgundavia, good morning! [09:04] good morning [09:04] pitti: can apport back into bug-buddy by default? It seems insane to me to maintain a seperate UI [09:04] pitti: ah. that bug that I asked about yesterday was bugbuddy then. :) [09:04] Burgundavia: how do you mean? [09:05] Burgundavia: in the long term we want apport only, but for that we need the possibility to produce good backtraces (to win something over b-b) and easy upstream bug forwarding [09:06] pitti: it me, carrying deltas from upstream is a little nuts, unless the work justifies it. Would it not be easier to modify bug-buddy and thus have less code of our own laying around? [09:06] as an aside, a ubuntu-dbg thing could be nice. I've had three things crash on me this week and I have no decent data to send back [09:06] er, maybe more an ubuntu-desktop-dbg [09:08] it seems that every distro builds it delta with upstream slowly, without a concerted effort to truly reduce it === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:Mithrandir] : Ubuntu Development (not support, even with edgy) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | 6.06.1 released | Main frozen for knot 3 === Burgundavia wanders off on his "each in their own silo" rant again [09:11] Burgundavia: (re /EdgyEft/Knot3): thanks; I didn't know it was a -marketing thing now; nobody told me. :-) [09:12] Mithrandir: no worries. Marketing didn't really exist last cycle and given that nixternal and myself did the Knot2 and we are active in both teams, it really didn't matter === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pygi [n=pygi@89-172-193-197.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@221.221.151.215] has joined #ubuntu-devel === giftnudel [n=mb@p54A935FC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === philwyett [n=philip@80-195-142-67.cable.ubr02.wiga.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@87.65.107.194] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@221.221.151.215] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zyg1 [n=zyga@cerber.sentivision.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:32] aah, hal 0.5.8 [09:33] pitti: what's so cool about it? :) [09:33] morning all [09:34] Treenaks: I didn't yet wade through the detailled changelog, since it's not for edgy anyway [09:34] Treenaks: but it's nice that there finally is a new stable release [09:34] pitti: hi [09:35] hi freeflying|away === mneptok is being kept awake by caffiene and X playing *really* loud [09:36] pitti: PolicyKit, crack or not? [09:36] "when he was waking up beside the bed he found clumps of hair. the last paulene wouldn't cooperate. she wasn't what you'd call living, really. but she was still awake. johnny hit and run paulene!" === pygi_ [n=pygi@89-172-231-79.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B0E2E.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:38] Burgundavia: optional in this release [09:39] mneptok: do we want to know what kind of stories you're reading? [09:39] good morning === xav [n=xav@AFontenayssB-152-1-15-145.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:39] pitti: and +1? [09:39] morning dholbach [09:40] hi Burgundavia [09:41] Treenaks: listening to seminal American punk band X [09:42] morning dholbach [09:43] Burgundavia: +1 to what? [09:43] pitti: I'm trying reproduce the bug you mentioned [09:43] hi pygi_ [09:43] pitti: sorry, edgy+1, what are the plans? [09:44] Burgundavia: oh, no concrete plans so far, but I guess we'll need PolicyKit anyway for gnome-system-tools [09:44] Burgundavia: so, I'll take a look at it [09:44] right [09:44] pitti: ok, just wondering [09:44] right now the g-s-t implementation is less than ideal === glatzor [n=sebi@ppp-82-135-82-91.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:55] Hobbsee: yes? === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@mailhost.newtec.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:56] Kamion: why are you requiring people from ubuntu-dev to approve sync requests, when the package was last synced from unstable anyway? [09:56] Kamion: ie, there are no ubuntu changes, due to the version number? [09:56] Hobbsee: syncs aren't always harmless - I'd like somebody to check for major compatibility problems, etc. [09:56] even if there are no Ubuntu changes to discard [09:56] oh, and i'm seeing why you're requiring lists of changes - i've seen some very crazy stuff try to be put through. [09:56] Kamion: right, okay [09:57] Hobbsee: sometimes I do the check myself and don't bother asking, if it's trivial and I'm not too overworked === Hobbsee dies. [09:57] Kamion: yeah, fair enough [09:57] dies? [09:57] playing nethack? :) [09:57] who's Matthew Revell on irc? [09:57] Hi Sarah, [09:57] Any chance I could interview you, for the Fridge, about your new Kubuntu role? [09:57] i just read my email :P [09:58] Hobbsee, he is mattrevelle ( in #ubuntu-fridge and of LR fame ;P ) [09:58] imbrandon: ahh right... === mbiebl [n=michael@dslb-084-056-246-230.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:59] imbrandon: i think i finished building on your machine for a little bit :P [09:59] heh [09:59] i've still got it chugging away ;) [10:00] imbrandon: if you dont want me to build on your machine, it would be nice if you'd warn me when, and for how long, you know :P === pygi [n=pygi@89-172-231-79.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:00] imbrandon: rather than just having a go at me in -motu [10:01] hahaha okies ;) === Spads [n=spacehob@217.205.109.249] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko [n=doko@smile.swt.cs.tu-berlin.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:01] was no big deal, i was realy just teasin you, sorry if you dident take it that way ;) [10:01] Hobbsee, ^^ [10:02] ok [10:03] Kamion: A give-back of d-i failed the same way, BTW. Something sketchy in udeb publishing or something? [10:04] Kamion: console-setup still asks questions for me. [10:04] Kamion: do you want a DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer trace? [10:05] Mithrandir: yes please. [10:06] infinity: hmm, will investigate, thanks [10:06] Kamion, added info to https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/console-setup/+bug/59883 [10:06] Malone bug 59883 in console-setup "Asks questions on installation" [Medium,Confirmed] [10:07] Mithrandir: what I want to know is how come console-setup/layout isn't seen === zyga_ [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:07] Mithrandir: as in, isn't already marked as seen [10:07] since you obviously have /etc/default/console-setup there already [10:08] Mithrandir: ... oh. I see the problem. There are some places where we bypass the layout question but don't mark it as seen ... [10:08] ok, I'll sort this out later [10:08] ok [10:09] I'll keep the system "broken" for now so we can try reproducing with a later version [10:09] this is post-knot material anyway [10:09] good morning === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-b13551bdd2935a87] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko [n=doko@smile.swt.cs.tu-berlin.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan [n=shackan@85-18-14-13.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@p54A6704F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === quail [n=quail@unaffiliated/quaillinux/x-000001] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@221.221.163.246] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@221.221.163.246] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono [n=jono@88-107-5-110.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:39] infinity: could you check whether libconsole is already installed in those chroots, please? [10:39] infinity: (re debian-installer build) [10:39] infinity: and if not, why not? :) it's in base ... [10:42] Kamion: is this d-i build something we'd want for knot, by any chance? [10:43] Mithrandir: considering bug 59938, yes [10:43] Malone bug 59938 in debian-installer "edgy alternate installer: No kernel modules were found" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/59938 [10:43] the word "mandatory" comes to mind [10:43] Kamion: indeed. [10:44] just alternate, or do you need live too? [10:44] it builds fine in my debootstrap+build-essential chroot ... [10:44] Mithrandir: when is knot-3 planned? [10:44] Mithrandir: d-i doesn't block the live CDs, if that's what you mean [10:44] fabbione: Thursday [10:45] Mithrandir: ok thanks. === fabbione goes to buy some empty CD's [10:45] actually [10:45] i also need to rsync edgy images === Rico [n=rjh@chaffinch.netcraft.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sanso [n=sanso@194.120.17.61] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lmanul [n=manu@dan75-4-82-239-58-38.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nikusan [n=dan@d58-108-102-24.dsl.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:17] what was the md bug someone mentionned yesterday ? === giftnudel [n=mb@p54A935FC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tortoise_ [n=tortoise@194.164.140.64] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:30] hey sabdfl [11:31] sabdfl: http://www.cnn.com/TECH/ [11:32] pitti, you have a sec for me' [11:32] ? [11:32] pygi: hi; sure [11:33] pitti, any chance libburn, libisofs, and cdrskin can be packaged & put into universe before the freeze if we release them on September, 26? [11:35] pygi: yes, if packaging doesn't take too long [11:35] pygi: universe freeze is Sept 28 [11:35] pitti, well, I know :P Release was supposed to be on October, 1 but I moved it 'cause of the freeze [11:35] mneptok: "...local language versions would curry favor with the government." [11:36] pitti, I'd really like that we get it in edgy [11:36] mmmm .... curry [11:37] pygi: that would indeed be nice [11:38] pitti, so we can promote it to main in edgy+1 or +2 at least ^_^ === fschoep [n=franksch@adsl-dc-35cb8.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:40] Riddell: hi, around? === Rico [n=rjh@chaffinch.netcraft.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:41] carlos: havent seen him around yet today [11:41] Hobbsee: ok, thanks === geser [n=michael@dialin110233.justdsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:44] uhhh === mneptok blinks at a very odd support ticket [11:46] Mithrandir: ping [11:46] fschoep: pong [11:46] OK, good morning [11:46] Where's the Knot3 freeze at? [11:47] ? [11:47] carlos: is there any chance of searching for a particular msgid in Rosetta? [11:47] carlos: gnome-applets has 985 strings, and I just need to fix one particular string [11:47] Mithrandir: I thought you were coordinating the "freeze" of packages for Knot 3? [11:48] fschoep: yes, but a "where" question doesn't make any kind of sense. [11:48] Mithrandir: I meant to ask what the current status was - "where it's at" [11:49] Mithrandir: sorry for the confusion [11:49] pitti: not yet, we are going to implement such feature [11:49] pitti: danilos will work on it [11:49] fschoep: we're frozen and I at least am testing the live images. You're welcome to help out. [11:49] carlos: or any way to display more than 10 strings? [11:49] Riddell: you might want to start testing the kubuntu desktop images. [11:49] ogra: you might want to start testing too [11:50] pitti: change batch=SIZE_YOU_WANT [11:50] Mithrandir: OK, I see - testing like in downloading and running the CD? [11:50] pitti: but I should warn you that if you put there an high number, launchpad/rosetta will give you a timeout [11:50] fschoep: yes. [11:50] I can do that [11:50] The link is probably somewhere obvious, right? [11:51] carlos: thanks, batch=100 seems to work fine === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:51] fschoep: cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current [11:52] I see, thanks - I'll give it a spin [11:53] pitti: you are welcome [11:54] pitti: another thing to do that is download a .po file and look for the string there [11:54] carlos: I did, but how does that help me? [11:54] carlos: you mean fixing the .po and uploading it? [11:54] you can find the msgid that way and later, yes, you can upload it fixed [11:55] is the easier workaround for that use case until the search feature is implemented === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:00] Mithrandir, later this evening, i have to help with a move and need to prepare stuff for my travel ... [12:00] ogra: ok. === giftnudel [n=mb@p54A935FC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:00] but i have made up a testing plan for the community, hopefully someone uses it :) [12:00] ciao ... === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:04] Gloubiboulga: you might want to get Xubuntu testing started. Note that we need a new alternate cd first, so just live for now. [12:04] Kamion: how's the d-i bugfix coming along? [12:06] dholbach: gnome-settings-daemon fails to start on the live cd because of a timeout. I've discussed this before with Seb and I think we need to increase the timeout. [12:08] Mithrandir: I need to take a look at it - I'm not aware of the problem yet. === LarstiQ [n=larstiq@cust.7.157.adsl.cistron.nl] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [12:12] Mithrandir: need that information from infinity, really :( [12:13] but looks like he's gone to bed [12:13] Mithrandir: which kind of timeout was that? or do you have any stray bits of info that help me looking for the failure? === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:14] oh, hmm, maybe it's a console-tools-udeb packaging bug [12:14] dholbach: I don't have the exact message here, but it's an error which happens when gnome-settings-daemon uses too long to start. [12:15] Mithrandir: ok, I understand the problem, working on it [12:15] dholbach: actually, the problem is probably that gnome uses dbus to activate g-s-d and dbus takes too long. [12:17] carlos: you pinged? [12:17] Riddell: hi, yes [12:17] Riddell: https://launchpad.net/bugs/60049 [12:17] Malone bug 60049 in kde-i18n "Import of translations for KDE's desktop-* failed" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] [12:18] Riddell: seems like upstream doesn't include the .po files with the .desktop translations because they release the .desktop files including such translations [12:19] Riddell: so Rosetta has 0 translations for them while upstream has most of them full translated. [12:20] hmm, tricky part is how to include the desktop-*.po files in an upload [12:22] Riddell: either as new packages or merging two tarballs.... [12:23] Riddell: would that be too difficult? [12:23] noting the version as the snapshot date [12:23]