[12:47] <Gargoyle> I made my first wiki page
[12:47] <Gargoyle> MySQLVirtualEmail
[12:48] <LaserJock> \o/
[12:48] <Gargoyle> I tried to keep it short and link to existing pages where possible.
[12:48] <Gargoyle> any feedback and comments would be much appriciated
[01:14] <Burgwork> Gargoyle, email the -doc and ask for feedback
[01:14] <Gargoyle> will do, just going to make a diagram for DB overview
[09:52] <mpt> glatzor, which union?
[09:53] <glatzor> mpt: the one that fights for your rights!
[09:53] <Madpilot> International Brotherhood of Nominal Ubuntu-docteam Members Who Aren't Doing Much Docteam Work? That's my current union
[09:54] <mpt> glatzor, I thought they all did that
[09:54] <mpt> ah
[09:55] <Madpilot> I should be more polite about unions, I'm still on the executive of our local of CUPE :)
[09:55] <glatzor> mpt: No, not here in Germany. There are some quite strange unions here around. Especially the Christian ones.
[09:55] <Madpilot> Christian unions? wha?
[09:56] <mpt> glatzor, I couldn't tell whether it was a serious political exhortation, or some sort of movie reference :-)
[09:56] <mpt> Perhaps "Join *a* union"
[10:58] <Plug> mpt: join the supermarket distribution staff union, perhaps
[06:33] <nixternal> jjesse: ping a ling
[06:43] <jjesse> nixternal: pong
[06:44] <nixternal> hey..i found some more people interested in helping out with Kubuntu docs...remember the guys who were talking about a new "Kubuntu Support TEam"?
[06:44] <jjesse> yeah?
[06:44] <nixternal> they are interested in helping out..i provided them will all the info they need to get the repos local, and to learn docbook and what not
[06:44] <jjesse> awesome
[06:44] <jjesse> more power to them
[06:44] <nixternal> im telling people that they can just fire me plain text and i will work it in if it fits as well
[06:44] <jjesse> is there a launchpad team yet?
[06:44] <nixternal> no, just a wiki page for them
[06:45] <jjesse> ok, how do i join ?
[06:45] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuSupportTeam
[06:45] <nixternal> i added my name on the bottom as a Doc Team PoC you should do the same..that way there they have 2 of us to hit up
[06:45] <jsgotangco> lol i read that as KubuntuSportsTeam
[06:46] <nixternal> hahah
[06:46] <nixternal> we need one of those too
[06:46] <nixternal> Kubuntu Softball Team
[06:46] <jjesse> grin i would play
[06:46] <nixternal> that would be quite comical to add that to a wiki page and see if anyone picks up on it
[06:47] <jsgotangco> there is a gnome world cup
[06:47] <nixternal> we would own gnome ;)
[06:47] <Burgwork> nixternal, you can only dream...
[06:47] <nixternal> haha
[06:47] <jsgotangco> yeah 
[06:47] <jjesse> hands down kubunu would whip ubuntu ;)
[06:47] <nixternal> jjesse is a pro baller, im the "Big Hurt" of the team
[06:48] <jjesse> how do you make a link on the wiki to a sub page?
[06:48] <jjesse> my team won the church softball league this year
[06:48] <nixternal> [:blah/blah: here you go] 
[06:48] <nixternal> or [:blah/blah:] 
[06:48] <nixternal> or
[06:48] <nixternal> blah/blah
[06:48] <jsgotangco> Burgwork: i need your opinion on this statement
[06:49] <Burgwork> jsgotangco, shoot
[06:49] <jsgotangco> SECTION 8. Right to Derivatives and the Control and Modification of Software 
[06:49] <jsgotangco> Government shall obtain full rights and control over derivatives, modifications and
[06:49] <jsgotangco> customizations done by government on software that it uses and adopts, provided that
[06:49] <jsgotangco> government does not use said modified software nor its derivatives for commercial purposes. 
[06:51] <jsgotangco> do i hear you laughing so hard now
[06:51] <Burgwork> is that from that new bill for OSS in your country?
[06:51] <jsgotangco> yeah
[06:52] <jsgotangco> doesn't make any sense huh
[06:52] <Burgwork> I read that as the gov't owns you
[06:52] <jsgotangco> yep
[06:52] <Burgwork> and now they own your code too
[06:52] <jsgotangco> yep
[06:52] <jjesse> i read that as wow
[06:52] <jsgotangco> completely against section 5 of GPLv2
[06:52] <Burgwork> lawmakers really don't get open source, even when they try
[06:52] <jsgotangco> so i said screw you im not supporting your bill
[06:53] <nixternal> how can the government not use it for something other than "commercial purposes"...we all knwo they are about money and commercialising ;)
[06:53] <jsgotangco> i told them use PD or else the world will have you as the new FOSS laughing stock
[06:53] <jsgotangco> only because of that dumb section 8 of the draft
[06:53] <Burgwork> yes, PD is best
[06:53] <jsgotangco> you want the final draft of the bill?
[06:53] <Burgwork> it is, after all, being produced with the "people's money"
[06:54] <Burgwork> sure, email it to me
[06:54] <jsgotangco> everything is fine except section 8 which says "all your base are belong to us"
[06:54] <nixternal> hahaha
[06:56] <jsgotangco> Burgwork: i've forwarded it to you, feel free to pass it to anyone interested
[06:57] <jsgotangco> im not really happy that the primary reasons for the bill is "cost"
[06:57] <Burgwork> hmm
[06:58] <jsgotangco> it makes some sense to have it amend the existing patent law
[06:59] <jjesse> hello LaserJock
[07:01] <jsgotangco> alright im gonna sleep i had my dose of fun tonight
[07:08] <LaserJock> hi jjesse 
[07:44] <Gerrit_> hi
[07:44] <LaserJock> hi
[07:47] <philbull> Hi guys
[07:48] <jjesse> hello philbull
[07:49] <philbull> hey jjesse
[07:49] <philbull> how do we get sfw into ubuntu-docs?
[07:49] <philbull> it's just about ready
[07:52] <LaserJock> is it in the doc team repo?
[07:52] <philbull> yep
[07:53] <philbull> just one last patch before DSF
[07:55] <philbull> https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/ubuntu/switching/C/
[07:56] <Burgwork> last thing we need is a change to the make file to buidl it
[07:57] <jjesse> spend more time tweaking and ready as well :)
[07:57] <jjesse> it does look great philbull
[07:58] <trappist> docteam.ubuntu.com doesn't get a legit cert?
[07:58] <jjesse> now we need to tweak for kubuntu for edgy +1 maybe
[07:58] <philbull> :)
[08:00] <philbull> we're frozen for Knot 3 now, aren't we?
[08:00] <jjesse> btw you've done a great job philbull
[08:00] <philbull> thanks jjesse, couldnt have done it without you + nixternal
[08:00] <Burgwork> philbull, pretty much
[08:00] <jjesse> philbull: the docs aren't going itno the knots that i am aware of
[08:01] <jjesse> so you can commit
[08:01] <philbull> but what needs to be modified to get SFW to build?
[08:01] <philbull> as Burgwork said, is it a nasty makefile job?
[08:02] <jjesse> just a make file change
[08:02] <jjesse> located at trunk/ubuntu/makefile if i recall correctly
[08:03] <jjesse> create something to build sfw and then change the make all command to include SFW
[08:03] <philbull> https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/ubuntu/Makefile
[08:03] <philbull> how do docs get built?
[08:04] <LaserJock> for what?
[08:04] <jjesse> from the make file 
[08:04] <LaserJock> for the packages it's in debian/
[08:04] <jjesse> along w/ the stylesheets and html they get packaged into a ubuntu-docs packages
[08:04] <philbull> say we copy the makefile bits for the server guide...
[08:05] <philbull> ...can we just replace 'SERVER' with 'SFW'?
[08:06] <trappist> the kubuntu release notes say that gdm only allows shutdown/restart without logging out first if you use gnome, and that kdm only allows it with kde.  That doesn't seem to be the case.  I have logout/shutdown options in kde though I'm using gdm.  can anyone confirm?
[08:08] <jjesse> hold on virtual machines restarting
[08:10] <LaserJock> trappist: I think so
[08:13] <trappist> LaserJock: you think so it's wrong?
[08:14] <jjesse> i have in order "End Current Session" "Turn off Computer", "Restart Computer", "Hibernate" in edgy
[08:17] <trappist> do they work?
[08:18] <jjesse> yes they do
[08:20] <trappist> awesome, thanks
[08:20] <jjesse> are you going to change the doc then?
[08:21] <trappist> that was the plan - did I miss a freeze?
[08:21] <jjesse> nope
[08:21] <jjesse> doc freeze is gcomming
[08:21] <trappist> good deal
[08:28] <trappist> who is james troup and where can I get his gpg pubkey?  I'm on a new machine and my svn password is no longer cached, and I'm not on the same box where I imported the key to begin with (so I can access my password in email)
[08:28] <Burgwork> hmm
[08:28] <Burgwork> you know your svn password is stored in plaintext on that old machine
[08:28] <Burgwork> you can simply copy the config into
[08:28] <jjesse> where is it stored?  in the .svn some place?
[08:29] <trappist> well the new machine is pretty well history :)
[08:29] <Burgwork> somewhere in the home dir
[08:29] <Burgwork> did you lose your key as well?
[08:29] <trappist> I should be able to look at the keychain on my other box and find it there...
[08:29] <jjesse> grin that's the problem i'm having w/ my svn as well
[08:29] <Burgwork> take your private key, export it and burn it onto a cd and hide it in your cd collection
[08:30] <LaserJock> mhm
[08:30] <trappist> I've got my private key well cared for
[08:30] <LaserJock> and don't leave it in the back window of you car on a hot day ;-)
[08:30] <trappist> just have to find james' pubkey
[08:30] <Burgwork> look on lp
[08:31] <trappist> good call
[08:32] <trappist> doesn't seem to be there
[08:36] <trappist> ok got it
[08:36] <jjesse> where did you get it from/
[08:37] <trappist> apparently I already had it, and kmail was just sucking.  worked fine on the command line.
[08:37] <trappist> or, I didn't need it to begin with
[08:39] <trappist> his pubkey id is AB2A91F5 (for posterity)
[09:35] <Gerrit_> cu
[09:47] <nixternal> jjesse: that patch, what is it for?
[09:55] <jjesse> installation.xml for SFW
[09:56] <nixternal> kubuntu side or ubuntu side?
[09:56] <jjesse> ubuntu was any work done on kubuntu side of things?
[09:56] <nixternal> im guessing ubuntu, as the kubuntu side is rather naked ;)
[09:56] <nixternal> heh, we have talked about it..i had no clue though until recently that we were doing an Ubuntu version and a Kubuntu version
[09:57] <jjesse> well we will have to do one eventually
[09:57] <jjesse> but probablly for edgy +1
[09:57] <jjesse> as i don't know if we have time to get it done before doc freeze?
[09:59] <nixternal> done ;)
[10:39] <ompaul> Burgwork, can you cast your mind back a while, do you remember something about hda1 (in this case) showing up as removable drives on the desktop - I can't seem to even find pointers to it
[10:40] <ompaul> where ubuntu was installed in hdb
[10:40] <Burgwork> ompaul, well there is a bug that the mounted parititions are showing up on the desktop
[10:41] <ompaul> thats the one
[10:41] <ompaul> okay that is a better phrase for it :)
[10:41] <Burgwork> they are also showing up twice, currently
[10:41] <ompaul> ooch