[12:45] <grexk> morning everyone
[12:46] <Fujitsu> Morning.
[12:49] <grexk> aga ni js
[12:53] <jsgotangco> grexk: working from home
[12:53] <grexk> hehee
[12:54] <jsgotangco> grexk: have to make a school run in a few minutes see you in half an hour
[12:54] <grexk> ok
[12:59] <huats_> i am cross posting with #ubuntu-desktop... but may be this a the right place to ask for some help
[12:59] <huats_> sorry to bother all of you... but I am a newbie, and I want to help... Right now i try to package a python soft.... but I don't see where to start. I mean, I've use dh_make to create the first septs. But I am not really sure how to make my Makefile...
[12:59] <Fujitsu> The upstream version should already have an installation mechanism...
[01:03] <zul> ajmitch: around?
[01:06] <ajmitch> no
[01:34] <ryanakca> erm... What do I add to debian/control for a LGPL (I usually copy paste when it's GPL from the packaging guide)
[01:45] <welshbyte> ryanakca: you mean debian/copyright?
[01:45] <ryanakca> yes, oops
[01:45] <ryanakca> typo
[01:47] <welshbyte> there's probably an LGPL summary similar to the GPL one somewhere, i doubt it's very different
[01:48] <welshbyte> g'night
[02:12] <bddebian> Heya gang
[02:32] <Fujitsu> Hi imbrandon.
[03:48] <bddebian> Heya Hobbsee
[03:49] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee
[03:49] <Hobbsee> hey bddebian
[03:49] <Hobbsee> hey imbrandon
[03:51] <Hobbsee> lol
[03:52] <ryanakca> what is REVU on anywais? dialup?!?!?
[03:52] <Hobbsee> usually
[03:52] <imbrandon> heh dinner time bbiab
[03:52] <Hobbsee> it only updates every 5 min, iirc
[03:52] <Hobbsee> hey seth
[03:52] <crimsun> are you making fun of my 28.8 kbps dialup?
[03:52] <ryanakca> imbrandon: heh... lucky you... still uploading
[03:53] <ryanakca> crimsun: as a matter o'fact I am :P
[03:53] <ryanakca> lol
[03:53] <bddebian> heh
[03:53] <crimsun> yeah, well, see if I pay any attention to you.
[03:53] <ryanakca> fine! I will :P
[03:53] <ryanakca> lol
[03:53] <crimsun> ;p
[03:53] <seth> hi hi Hobbsee
[03:53] <ryanakca> "Uploading via ftp kde-icons-crystal-diamond_2.0.orig.tar.gz: " has been running for the past three minutes
[03:54] <ryanakca> and yes... I complain a lot :D
[03:54] <crimsun> yeah, well, don't even start. It takes me 30 minutes to download 5 megs.
[03:54] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: you are uploading it to revu, right?   and it's likely that your upload speed is slow
[03:54] <Hobbsee> it's fast when i upload from imbrandon's machine
[03:55] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: yeah... but you aren't sending 20mb, eh?
[03:55] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: well, yeah.  not usually.
[03:55] <ryanakca> most of the time, upload to revu is fast
[03:55] <Hobbsee> needless to say, i didnt do it over my connection
[03:56] <Fujitsu> Gah.
[03:56] <Fujitsu> This ash211 character is going around assigning all my ubuntu-universe-sponsors bugs to MOTU.
[03:56] <crimsun> beat the crikey out of him/her.
[03:57] <crimsun> (pardon the violence)
[03:57] <ryanakca> lol
[03:57] <crimsun> sorry, simplying being near checkinstall makes me very upset.
[03:57] <crimsun> (and destroys my grammar)
[03:58] <Hobbsee> hmmm?
[03:58] <Hobbsee> crimsun: and why are you near it?
[03:58] <bddebian> heh
[03:58] <Fujitsu> Haha.
[03:58] <crimsun> someone in #ubuntu wondered why a checkinstalled gtk theme wasn't working.
[03:58] <Hobbsee> crimsun: hah.  right.
[03:58] <Hobbsee> that's still more evil :P
[03:59] <Hobbsee> checkinstall *sometimes* works, after all.
[03:59] <Hobbsee> oh, speaking of which.  what's a good console-based download accelerator?
[03:59] <ryanakca> why do you need checkinstall for a GTK theme? I used to be able to just drag and drop the link on the install button... back in the days of un-enlightenment... *cough*
[03:59] <Hobbsee> apparently there are lots better alternatives than prozilla
[03:59] <crimsun> ryanakca: people LOVE crack.
[03:59] <ryanakca> CGET I think is one...
[03:59] <imbrandon> wget ?
[04:00] <jsgotangco> lol
[04:00] <imbrandon> and a good connection ;)
[04:00] <ryanakca> lol
[04:00] <ryanakca> typo
[04:00] <Hobbsee> wget doesnt do threading
[04:00] <ajmitch> hi
[04:00] <imbrandon> most server dont allow more than one connection from a single ip anyhow so it dosent matter much
[04:01] <imbrandon> s/server/servers
[04:01] <ryanakca> just a second... I'll find you some... FF extension supports lots of them
[04:01] <imbrandon> ff == console based ? hehe
[04:01] <ryanakca> imbrandon: no
[04:01] <imbrandon> ryanakca, [20:59]  <Hobbsee> oh, speaking of which.  what's a good console-based download accelerator?
[04:02] <imbrandon> heya ajmitch
[04:02] <ryanakca> imbrandon: but it CAN use console based download accelerators...
[04:02] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: bigpond does.  where do you think i get my ISO's from?
[04:02] <ryanakca> just like it can use KDE based ones (KGET)
[04:02] <ryanakca> (If I'm being ignorant, feel free to point it out)
[04:03] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: cURL
[04:03] <imbrandon> heh i still fail to see how firefox comes into the picture but that may be my ignorance while i wait for my noodles to cook
[04:03] <Hobbsee> right
[04:04] <ryanakca> imbrandon: FlashGot, a FF extension can use console-based download accelerators. And yes, FF isn't console based
[04:04] <ryanakca> http://www.flashgot.net/whats
[04:04] <imbrandon> ryanakca, ok and ? ( my point was where did firefox even come into the convo hehe )
[04:04] <imbrandon> ff dosent do much good over ssh ;)
[04:05] <imbrandon> unless you forward an xsession or soemthing but then i think its still borked iirc becosue ff starts locacly anyhow, but thats a ff bug
[04:05] <ryanakca> imbrandon: she asked about download managers. I knew of a FF extension that supported a pile of them, so I said wait a second, I'll go get the list of download accelerators... some of them are console based, others no
[04:06] <ryanakca> imbrandon: have you been around checkinstall as well? It looks like it has the same effects on you as on crimsun
[04:06] <imbrandon> i HATE checkinstall
[04:06] <imbrandon> yes
[04:06] <ryanakca> bad grammar... checkinstall = ick
[04:06] <ajmitch> ryanakca: please refrain from using profanity in this channel
[04:06] <ryanakca> lol
[04:07] <imbrandon> wb LaserJock
[04:07] <LaserJock> *grumble*did somebody say "checkinstall"*grumble*
[04:07] <imbrandon> hrm ..... what to have with my noodles ....
[04:07] <LaserJock> ;-)
[04:07] <ryanakca> ajmitch: what? checkinstall is the bestest...
[04:07] <ryanakca>  (sorry for the profanity, and the obvious sarcasm)
[04:07] <ryanakca> yay, kick?
[04:07] <LaserJock> haha
[04:07] <imbrandon> hahah i was just lookign for the op button
[04:07] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:08] <ryanakca> imbrandon: hey!
[04:08] <imbrandon> i dident know if i was on the access list in here also , was just checking
[04:08] <imbrandon> heh
[04:08] <ryanakca> you guys need to get a script that ops kicks deops in a second...
[04:08] <ryanakca> lol
[04:08] <LaserJock> I must confess, <the evil that can not be named> was my first experince with source packages
[04:08] <ajmitch> ryanakca: Hobbsee probably has one
[04:09] <imbrandon> ryanakca, i do but i just wanted to check and i was being lazy no not msg chanserv access blah blah blah
[04:09] <ryanakca> I know seveas has one... but it's for XC**t...
[04:09] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: i dont, Seveas does.
[04:09] <Hobbsee> imbrandon's writing one for konvi :)
[04:09] <micahcowan> Is there information somewhere on why exactly checkinstall sucks? I was under the impression that it was preferable to vanilla make install (haven't used checkinstall yet)
[04:09] <imbrandon> ryanakca, i've been working on a python port of his chanserv.py for konv
[04:09] <Seveas> I tried looking at konversation
[04:10] <Seveas> it hurt too much
[04:10] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:10] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:10] <Seveas> stupid dcop mess
[04:10] <Hobbsee> micahcowan: only slightly.
[04:10] <ryanakca> well well... since I have all the MOTU awake... anybody mind looking at this iconset? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3094
[04:10] <imbrandon> konv will use python , perl , bash , what ever, as long as you can dcop from it
[04:10] <Hobbsee> Seveas: wants to
[04:10] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: it's based on that one we were talking about in kubuntu-devel the other day
[04:10] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: oooh, the icons that mysteriously vanished a day later?
[04:11] <micahcowan> Does checkinstall tend to break or something? Or is it just in comparison to having a real .deb to install?
[04:11] <ryanakca> yes... they vanished again... he had release 3, I told myself I'd download them in the morning... they were gone...
[04:11] <Seveas> micahcowan, chances of breakage aren't unrealistic
[04:12] <imbrandon> micahcowan, both really, checkinstall is ok for YOUR OWN INSTALL but dont EVER EVER EVER EVER distribute a checkinstall deb
[04:12] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: debhelper needs a versioned dep of >=5, not 4
[04:12] <ajmitch> imbrandon: 'ok for your own install' is stretching the truth a bit
[04:13] <Seveas> ajmitch, well, it beats 'sudo make install'
[04:13] <ajmitch> Seveas: by a slim margin
[04:13] <imbrandon> ajmitch, ok less evil than ........ well not ok still but better than making and distubing one
[04:13] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: mind sticking that in as a comment please? I'm going to bed...
[04:14] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: kk, changed it to "Build-Depends: cdbs, debhelper (>= 5.0.7)" and "Section: kde"
[04:14] <Hobbsee> yep
[04:15] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: did you check another icon package to get all the other info?
[04:15] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: I based that debian/ on kde-icons-crystal's debian/
[04:15] <Hobbsee> cool :)
[04:15] <ryanakca> except I used cdbs instead of that evil debhelper
[04:16] <micahcowan> imbrandon, thanks for the info. I wasn't planning on it. :-)
[04:18] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:18] <Hobbsee> why?
[04:18] <Hobbsee> what's it done to you?
[04:18] <ajmitch> it's kde, need to ask any more?
[04:19] <fowlduck> it keeps on saying my battery is low
[04:19] <fowlduck> it's at 90-some percent
[04:19] <ryanakca> because it starts up on a desktop, despite the fact that I close it every time I log in...
[04:19] <fowlduck> and today it put me into hibernation
[04:19] <imbrandon> ryanakca, your not running the latest version then ;)
[04:19] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: pbuilder build installs and works fine...
[04:19] <fowlduck> when my battery wasn't low
[04:19] <ryanakca> imbrandon: I upgraded yesterday...
[04:19] <imbrandon> ryanakca, then file a bug, as it isnt supose to and has been fixed
[04:20] <Hobbsee> fowlduck: ah yes, it likes that.
[04:20] <fowlduck> Hobbsee: are there known issues with the power right now?
[04:20] <ryanakca> G'night all
[04:20] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: ther'es a .desktop for it in the /usr/share/autostart
[04:20] <Hobbsee> fowlduck: yeah.  that it randomly gives messages
[04:20] <fowlduck> Hobbsee: oh, good, it's not just me
[04:20] <fowlduck> Hobbsee: is there a way to kill that gracefully?
[04:21] <Hobbsee> fowlduck: exit it?
[04:22] <fowlduck> Hobbsee: well, I suppose that's easy enough
[04:24] <imbrandon> ahh noodles done, hrm what else , choices choices
[04:25] <Plug> (topic refers to REVU day in the past)
[04:28] <Hobbsee> hehe, true that
[04:31] <Fujitsu> Anybody feel like reviewing http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3084?
[04:39] <Plug> (and, sorry to pester, but no-one has ever reviewed http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3080 - *sob*)
[04:45] <ajmitch> poor Plug
[04:45] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: when is main freeze for knot 3? I need to get a couple of fixes in
[04:46] <Fujitsu> Wednesday, I believe.
[04:46] <LaserJock> I just counted 140 packages on revu :/
[04:46] <ajmitch> Plug: why are you restarting avahi-daemon in postinst? :)
[04:46] <Fujitsu> `As noted on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule, the feature
[04:46] <Fujitsu> freeze for Edgy is this Thursday, 7th September. It will take effect at
[04:46] <Fujitsu> the start of the Ubuntu development team meeting, which is at 23:00 UTC.'
[04:46] <Plug> erm-oops.
[04:46] <Fujitsu> Oops.
[04:46] <Fujitsu> Yes.
[04:46] <Fujitsu> Wrong one.
[04:46] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: that's feature freeze
[04:47] <Fujitsu> Noted.
[04:47] <Fujitsu> I copied from the wrong one...
[04:47] <Plug> Me too! :)
[04:47] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[04:47] <Fujitsu> Here we go.
[04:48] <ajmitch> Plug: also build-dep on debhelper >= 5.0.0 is appreciated
[04:48] <Plug> ajmitch: you're too good to me
[04:48] <Fujitsu> Feature freeze from `tomorrow morning', says Tollef, sent 16 hours ago.
[04:48] <Fujitsu> *Main freeze
[04:48] <Fujitsu> I'm stuffing everything up now :(
[04:48] <Plug> This now requires me to $HOME to fix
[04:48] <ajmitch> heh
[04:48] <ajmitch> otherwise we'll just have people live with a broken f-spot for awhile
[04:49] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: about 16 hours from when i asked last night
[04:49] <Hobbsee> so you've got today, but not much longer
[05:05] <Hobbsee> oh dammit.
[05:06] <Hobbsee> checksum mismatch, and i already removed the dir.
[05:08] <Fujitsu> Hahah.
[05:08] <zakame> hi all
[05:08] <Hobbsee> hey zakame
[05:13] <Fujitsu> Hi zakame.
[05:20] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: does zhicon build?
[05:20] <Fujitsu> zhcon, you mean?
[05:20] <Fujitsu> Yes, it does.
[05:20] <Hobbsee> yeah that
[05:20] <Fujitsu> I've ensured they all build, after the gaphor debacle..
[05:21] <StevenK> Fujitsu: You mean you didn't want Hobbsee disemboweling you?
[05:21] <Fujitsu> Er, yes.
[05:21] <Fujitsu> Or anybody else :P
[05:21] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: hehe.  i only thought of it, as i'd looked at that before.
[05:22] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: got a debdiff between latest debian and ubuntu please?
[05:22] <Fujitsu> OK, wait a sec.
[05:22] <Toadstool> evening everybody
[05:22] <Hobbsee> hey Toadstool
[05:22] <Toadstool> hi Hobbsee
[05:23] <Fujitsu> I thought that between Ubuntu and Ubuntu was preferred, except for new upstream versions.
[05:23] <Fujitsu> Hi Toadstool.
[05:23] <Toadstool> heya Fujitsu
[05:23] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: both are good :)
[05:23] <StevenK> Fujitsu: Then you have upstream changes in the debdiff
[05:23] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: in fact, with the requestmerge script, both are given.
[05:23] <Hobbsee> which you then have to comment, but it's sitll better than doing it manually
[05:23] <StevenK> I prefer Debian -> Ubuntu, since that should smaller and only contain the Ubuntu changes.
[05:24] <Hobbsee> true that
[05:24] <StevenK> Should be, damn it all.
[05:24] <Fujitsu> There are a couple of .po changes. Should I obliterate them?
[05:24] <StevenK> Depends.
[05:25] <Fujitsu> Hm.
[05:25] <Fujitsu> The Debian ones are newer.
[05:25] <Fujitsu> So I'll remove the Ubuntu ones.
[05:25] <Hobbsee> yeah.
[05:25] <StevenK> Compare strings too, not just dates.
[05:26] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, no, should I make it do so?
[05:26] <Fujitsu> Debian hasn't released a new version.
[05:26] <StevenK> I've been waiting for Debian to do it, because it means less work for us.
[05:27] <Fujitsu> OK, Ubuntu's .po seems to have better strings...
[05:27] <Hobbsee> true that
[05:27] <Fujitsu> StevenK, yeah..
[05:27] <Hobbsee> there's a new upstream version too, it seems.
[05:27] <Fujitsu> The Debian bug was filed more than a month ago.
[05:27] <Hobbsee> been sitting in debian's bugtracker for 12 days.
[05:28] <Fujitsu> Why do the .po changes appear, anyway?
[05:28] <Fujitsu> They're not noted in the changelog anywhere..
[05:28] <LaserJock> scigraphica?
[05:29] <StevenK> ajmitch: Patches welcome.
[05:29] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: sciegraphica is a big pain in the butt
[05:29] <ajmitch> StevenK: patches require effort
[05:30] <ajmitch> reminds me that I have to an upload tonight - closes 6 debian bugs, 1 of which should be RC :)
[05:30] <StevenK> Heh
[05:31] <ajmitch> & upload f-spot to debian again to close the RC bug there
[05:31] <LaserJock> StevenK: me too :/
[05:31] <Fujitsu> Attached, Hobbsee.
[05:31] <StevenK> Fujitsu: What did you attach Hobbsee to?
[05:31] <Fujitsu> Ha. Ha.
[05:32] <StevenK> s/\,/./
[05:32] <Toadstool> I wish I could update my packages but my parents switched off my dev box :/
[05:32] <Fujitsu> :O
[05:32] <Fujitsu> How dare they?
[05:32] <Toadstool> and it's I dont't know how many thousands miles from here :p
[05:33] <Fujitsu> Why are you not at your dev box?
[05:33] <imbrandon> heh call them and tell em to turn it back on
[05:33] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, not everyone sits at their build box ;)
[05:33] <crimsun> he's in USA (southern california?); his box is in ... France?
[05:33] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[05:33] <Toadstool> crimsun: yep
[05:33] <Fujitsu> Why are you in the US?
[05:33] <Toadstool> Fujitsu: work
[05:33] <Toadstool> well, internship
[05:33] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[05:35] <imbrandon> sshable power switches ;)
[05:35] <Toadstool> hehe
[05:36] <imbrandon> or just a phone call to the NoC ( parrents in this case )
[05:36] <imbrandon> hehe
[05:36] <StevenK> imbrandon: Our UPSes here have a web interface.
[05:36] <ajmitch> Toadstool: yet for me it seems that the only time my main box crashes is when I'm out of the country
[05:36] <Toadstool> ajmitch: yeah :/
[05:36] <Hobbsee> Toadstool: heh, smart.
[05:36] <Toadstool> I'm gonna call them right now, must be 5 am over there :p
[05:37] <imbrandon> StevenK, yea , our power strips we used were telenet-able but not very secure
[05:37] <imbrandon> so it was off most of the time
[05:38] <imbrandon> i think there might have been a web interface too but there was someone 24/7 in the colo room so it wasent a big deal just to call them
[05:38] <imbrandon> and only a 45min trip if absolutely needed
[05:38] <imbrandon> ( dead hardware )
[05:39] <Hobbsee> ooh, a whole lot of text @ me
[05:40] <Fujitsu> ?
[05:40] <imbrandon> on irc for 7+ days , that has to be a record for me
[05:40] <StevenK> Hrm.
[05:40] <Toadstool> at least I was smart enough to move all my vital things (IRC, mails, jabber, IRC, IRC, ...) on the server I rent in Paris
[05:40] <StevenK> My irssi has been running since August the 17th.
[05:41] <imbrandon> StevenK, hehe , i have bip connected
[05:41] <Toadstool> I should set up a buildd or a few pbuilders on it too...
[05:41] <imbrandon> i thought about setting up a dac like system on my fileserver bit falcon is just too easy to go though all that trubble
[05:42] <imbrandon> s/bit/but
[05:42] <imbrandon> would be nice to upload the source to my local file server though and have it just build on 3 arches hehe
[05:43] <ajmitch> hm, irssi running since june
[05:43] <imbrandon> wow
[05:43] <imbrandon> heh
[05:43] <imbrandon> imbrandon has been online since 09/05/2006 07:46:25 PM.
[05:43] <ajmitch> it's not an on edgy box
[05:43] <zakame> hmm
[05:43] <ajmitch> sarge is good for some things still :)
[05:44] <imbrandon> hehe
[05:44] <imbrandon> plus irssi you can upgrade without quitting/restarting it
[05:44] <imbrandon> forgot the command but i seen it in the man
[05:45] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: building zhcon now, thanks.
[05:45] <Fujitsu> Thank you :)
[05:46] <Hobbsee> i had to remember to use your diff instaed of mine :P
[05:47] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: you building anythign on voyager atm?
[05:48] <Fujitsu> I think that any possible positive view of translations I might have had before has just been destroyed by this yudit merge.
[05:48] <imbrandon> yup kde4base and amarok
[05:48] <imbrandon> why?
[05:48] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: you need a fast box to build on :)
[05:48] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: hah!
[05:48] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: right...i just looked at how hard it was running
[05:48] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: i know :P
[05:49] <imbrandon> heh my box build pretty fast but we both seem to be awake and build at the same time alot of the times
[05:49] <imbrandon> yea it helps having a full apt-mirror on the lan
[05:49] <Fujitsu> Stupid 20000 lines of .po diff, which is entirely reformatting of the file.
[05:50] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: hehe, yeah.  and it's almsot freeze time, too.
[05:50] <imbrandon> knot freeze, no biggie
[05:51] <Fujitsu> There isn't a sane .po differ around, is there?
[05:53] <StevenK> diff with relevant -C option
[05:53] <StevenK> ?
[05:54] <Fujitsu> I mean, the .po changes in yudit are just reformattings of the .po, like splitting long lines.
[05:54] <Fujitsu> Is there a way to ascertain that other than checking manually?
[05:55] <StevenK> Fujitsu: Not that I can think of.
[05:55] <Fujitsu> Darn.
[05:57] <Toadstool> Fujitsu: maybe msgcmp in intltool...
[05:57] <Toadstool> never used it though
[06:01] <Hobbsee> carthik: did you see my latest response on -bugsquad?
[06:01] <Toadstool> there's an #u-bugsquad chan?
[06:02] <carthik> Thanks Hobbsee
[06:02] <ajmitch> probably a -bugsquad list which I'm not on
[06:02] <Hobbsee> Toadstool: no, i meant the mailing list, sorry
[06:02] <ajmitch> since I'm not special enough :)
[06:02] <carthik> Toadstool, that was a mailing list she was talking about :)
[06:02] <Toadstool> oh
[06:02] <Toadstool> ajmitch: hehe
[06:03] <carthik> Hobbsee, I will try to find some alternative... gnuplot is the tricky thing...
[06:03] <Hobbsee> carthik: true that.  i'd ask, anyway
[06:05] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: probably not.  you're already in -qa
[06:06] <Toadstool> ajmitch: it's just a bunch of weirdos wandering around malone with no real purpose, look there's Hobbsee, me, ... :p
[06:06] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:06] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: I mean the list
[06:06] <ajmitch> not the team
[06:06] <Hobbsee> ah
[06:06] <ajmitch> whether it'll be another list that I subscribe to & ignore
[06:07] <Toadstool> :)
[06:07] <carthik> ajmitch, there have a grand total of ....4.... threads so far... :)
[06:07] <carthik> allow me my exaggeration... but that is close to the truth, probably
[06:08] <Toadstool> alright, low traffic, I should subscribe too
[06:08] <Hobbsee> yeah, i was suprised to see anything from it
[06:08] <Fujitsu> As was I.
[06:10] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: zhcon uploaded
[06:10] <Fujitsu> Thanks :)
[06:11] <ajmitch> carthik: ah, very important for me to subscribe then
[06:11] <Toadstool> hmm, for packages which are in sid but not in edgy, I just have to ask for a "sync", right?
[06:11] <Hobbsee> Toadstool: yep
[06:11] <Toadstool> ok
[06:11] <Hobbsee> use the requestsync script
[06:12] <Toadstool> I have my own mail template ;)
[06:12] <Toadstool> Gloubiboulga: hey \o/
[06:12] <Hobbsee> that works too
[06:12] <Hobbsee> hey Gloubiboulga
[06:12] <Gloubiboulga> hey Toadstool :)
[06:12] <Gloubiboulga> hi Hobbsee
[06:12] <imbrandon> ahhh finaly, i "fixed" Hobbsee's edgybuild script ;)
[06:13] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: how so?
[06:13] <StevenK> imbrandon: nice 19 ?
[06:13] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: it's using ccache now or something?
[06:13] <Hobbsee> haha
[06:13] <freeflying_> Hobbsee: zhcon? which version?
[06:13] <imbrandon> StevenK, http://pastebin.ca/167610
[06:13] <imbrandon> hehe
[06:13] <Hobbsee> freeflying_: the one on the merge page
[06:14] <crimsun> Fujitsu: #55700 is verified build- and installable?
[06:14] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: w.u.c/DeveloperResources
[06:14] <StevenK> Hah
[06:14] <Hobbsee> bug 55700
[06:14] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 55700 in scigraphica "apt-get build-dep scigraphica fails" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/55700
[06:14] <Hobbsee> i've never seen that message
[06:14] <Hobbsee> clearlyi dont watch it
[06:14] <StevenK> imbrandon: I have a pdebuild wrapper for that sort of thing
[06:15] <StevenK> ... But why would you replace python2.4-numeric with python-dev?!
[06:15] <Fujitsu> crimsun, I've installed, built, and used it. It works :)
[06:15] <Fujitsu> Oops.
[06:15] <StevenK> python-numeric is different and special.
[06:15] <Fujitsu> What?
[06:15] <Fujitsu> I didn't...
[06:15] <Fujitsu> I think the comment I left was wrong.
[06:16] <StevenK> Oh right, then I won't kill you.
[06:16] <Fujitsu> Er, yeah, I'm not that silly.
[06:16] <Fujitsu> But if I do do something wrong, feel free to kill me in any way you want.
[06:16] <crimsun> you meant s/2\.4//
[06:16] <Fujitsu> Yes.
[06:16] <Fujitsu> Oops >_<
[06:17] <freeflying_> wengophone is broken, unmet libraw1394-5
[06:18] <Fujitsu> crimsun, I note when you merged xzoom last (for edgy), you kept changes to the Makefile to fix Xorg 7.1 building, when it built fine anyway.
[06:19] <crimsun> Fujitsu: sure, override 'em
[06:19] <Fujitsu> I thought so.
[06:19] <Fujitsu> That was on one of my notes to check :)
[06:19] <Fujitsu> They're slowly being reduced...
[06:22] <imbrandon> StevenK, heh i should nice 19 it, hehe, i was trying to play UO today and then "someone" started to build hehe
[06:22] <StevenK> Hah
[06:22] <Fujitsu> You also changed a build-dep from xutils to imake... Is that also OK to override?
[06:23] <Fujitsu> I can't see why that would have been done..
[06:23] <StevenK> imbrandon: Even nice 19 will affect you, I suspect.
[06:23] <imbrandon> StevenK, yea and i dont use this for musch else but irc and building anyhow so no biggie ;)
[06:23] <imbrandon> plus nice 19 would effect my builds too
[06:23] <imbrandon> ;/
[06:24] <crimsun> Fujitsu: it's ok to override now, yes.
[06:24] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: xutils is part of imake now?  or the other way around?
[06:24] <StevenK> if [ $USER = "hobbsee" ] ; then CMD="nice 19 " ; fi
[06:25] <crimsun> at the time we hadn't synced with Debian's X.Org xutils-dev
[06:25] <StevenK> $CMD pbuilder ...
[06:25] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[06:25] <Fujitsu> OK, thanks.
[06:25] <StevenK> imbrandon: I shouldn't give you ideas.
[06:25] <imbrandon> hehehe
[06:25] <Hobbsee> crimsun: can you do me a favour please?
[06:25] <Hobbsee> StevenK: yes, you shouldnt.  remember that i'll see you next week
[06:25] <crimsun> Hobbsee: depends on the favour.
[06:25] <StevenK> Hobbsee: :-P
[06:25] <Hobbsee> crimsun: can you upload http://buntudot.org/people/~hobbsee/kdenetwork.debdiff for me please?
[06:25] <crimsun> Hobbsee: sure, sec.
[06:26] <imbrandon> hah i hadent even thought about $USER heheh , but i'll be nice ;)
[06:27] <Hobbsee> otherwise i really would have to start using StevenK's machine - and figure it out first.
[06:27] <imbrandon> heh
[06:28] <StevenK> Hobbsee: I've shown you how, I can do it again..
[06:28] <imbrandon> BTW if someone would be nice to give my ssh/pbuilder access on a ppc i would be gratefull ;)
[06:29] <imbrandon> s/my/me
[06:29] <imbrandon> mine is toooooo dog slow to build on and in OSX 3/4 of the time
[06:29] <imbrandon> StevenK, you can use those to build ?
[06:29] <seth> any MOTU care to peek at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3092 for a second? It's not a new package, and I'm the maintainer... just a new upstream version
[06:30] <StevenK> imbrandon: Sure.
[06:30] <imbrandon> StevenK, as in something that wont go into the archive
[06:30] <imbrandon> wow
[06:30] <imbrandon> i thought about sf.net's build farm but those arent linux on the ppc's
[06:30] <Hobbsee> seth: arent you a MOTU yourself?
[06:30] <seth> Hobbsee, have never taken the time to apply
[06:30] <Hobbsee> ah
[06:31] <seth> I'm on ubuntu-members and kubuntu-team, maintain half a dozen packages, but y'know
[06:31] <seth> you can only fit so much into each day :)
[06:31] <imbrandon> ;)
[06:31] <seth> plus why do more work when I can steal unsuspecting MOTUs to do it *runs*
[06:31] <seth> nah, I probably should apply sometime
[06:31] <seth> just so busy :(
[06:32] <Fujitsu> Thankyou for all the uploads, crimsun :)
[06:32] <Hobbsee> looks sane to me
[06:32] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:32] <seth> of course it's sane, I did it
[06:32] <seth> jk
[06:32] <Hobbsee> :P
[06:32] <imbrandon> dget http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/md5deep-0609111330/md5deep_1.12-0ubuntu1.dsc
[06:32] <imbrandon> gah
[06:32] <StevenK> imbrandon: Sure. You may need to bug the DSA to install build deps into a chroot, but sure.
[06:33] <seth> dget: command not found
[06:33] <seth> ;)
[06:33] <imbrandon> seth install dget its a god send, anyhow i'll poke it up here in a minute ( assuming it builds fine , but i'm sure you checked that )
[06:33] <imbrandon> StevenK, wow i dident know that, that would be awesom
[06:33] <seth> yeah, I was being silly since you tried to dget from IRC
[06:34] <StevenK> imbrandon: You need to be a DD.
[06:34] <imbrandon> ohh heh
[06:34] <imbrandon> StevenK, ouch ok nvm, i havent went down that road yet
[06:34] <seth> imbrandon, yeah, it builds fine and installs, checked in a shiny-clean pbuilder
[06:34] <imbrandon> StevenK, been thinking about it but i konw nothing of debian politics and prefer to keep it that way as much as possible ;)
[06:38] <seth> so Hobbsee, I guess you weren't successful in escaping the clutches of ubuntu-motu eh
[06:38] <seth> it's okay, there's still hope
[06:38] <seth> we can run away together
[06:38] <Hobbsee> seth: hehe
[06:39] <Hobbsee> seth: it does seem a bit odd that you taught me how to package, yet you're asking someone like myself to review your stuff :P
[06:39] <ajmitch> dodgy characters
[06:41] <StevenK> Oh yeah.
[06:42] <seth> Hobbsee, well, 'tis protocol :P
[06:42] <imbrandon> seth, done and done
[06:42] <seth> cheers brandon
[06:42] <StevenK> ajmitch: We need to get out our walking frames and complain about these young whippersnappers.
[06:42] <imbrandon> ( both "archived" too on revu just FYI )
[06:42] <StevenK> Me more so, being a DD since 2001.
[06:42] <Hobbsee> lol
[06:43] <imbrandon> StevenK, lol
[06:43] <imbrandon> StevenK, well mentor me into becoming a DD ;)
[06:44] <StevenK> A?
[06:44] <StevenK> Try fifteen or so?
[06:44] <seth> Hobbsee, the reason I didn't apply for MOTU last semester is because I would feel obligated to put in more time than I currently have to give... I wouldn't want to feel like I was short-changing the people that approved me
[06:44] <Hobbsee> seth: that's a point
[06:44] <seth> so I take care of the packages I maintain and give support on #kubuntu... maybe someday that will change a bit
[06:45] <seth> so I totally found out that Joshua Gay, the guy who edits rms's books, is in my Data Structures class
[06:46] <crimsun> It's not unreasonable to hope that approved ubuntu-dev members contribute consistently, but as we're volunteers, it's understandable that "real life" gets in the way.
[06:47] <seth> plus, my key isn't signed anyways
[06:47] <Hobbsee> seth: mine is, yet it seems to say it isnt. go figure.
[06:47] <seth> ah, so that's how it's done
[06:47] <seth> yes, my key is... signed... too
[06:47] <seth> but it just doesn't look like it
[06:48] <seth> ;)
[06:48] <Fujitsu> Hm.
[06:48] <imbrandon> lol
[06:48] <Fujitsu> With crimsun's approval of the cheetah sync, it shows that the description and summary have changed, when they're identical.
[06:48] <Toadstool> crimsun: this is exactly what's happening to me right now, things have been a little messed by my moving to the USA
[06:49] <crimsun> Fujitsu: read more closely.
[06:49] <crimsun> (full stop versus hyphen)
[06:49] <Fujitsu> Oh.
[06:49] <Fujitsu> Yes, oops.
[06:49] <Toadstool> have to buy a new laptop first and then I'm back to work :p
[06:49] <Fujitsu> Thanks for picking that up :)
[06:50] <crimsun> np, my job as "sponsor"
[06:52] <Toadstool> blah... got to go. My renter wants his computer back :/
[06:52] <Toadstool> cya
[06:53] <Fujitsu> Bye.
[06:55] <trappist> is it possible to build just one binary package out of a source package that wants to build many packages?
[06:55] <StevenK> trappist: In certain situations, yes.
[06:55] <trappist> for example, I just want kwallet out of kdeutils
[06:58] <Fujitsu> toursst went from native to non-native versioning, and had Ubuntu changes. I'll have to just bump the old version number to 0.0.3ubuntu2, won't I?
[06:59] <imbrandon> i think your missing a -0 in there
[06:59] <crimsun> yes, those are lovely.
[07:00] <Fujitsu> Same with carpaltunnel, which I did a while ago.
[07:00] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, no.
[07:00] <StevenK> WAH
[07:00] <StevenK> I have *big* problems with people doing that.
[07:00] <StevenK> If it's native, *LEAVE* it native.
[07:00] <Fujitsu> It was 0.0.3, became 0.0.3ubuntu1, then Debian released 0.0.3-0.1
[07:00] <StevenK> Fujitsu: 0.0.3-0.1 is also wrong
[07:01] <Fujitsu> StevenK, I know.
[07:01] <LaserJock> argg, that's a native package?
[07:01] <imbrandon> then ours should be 0.0.3-0.1ubuntu1 in the worst case iirc
[07:01] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, no.
[07:01] <StevenK> imbrandon: But you can't.
[07:01] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, that doesn't work.
[07:01] <StevenK> imbrandon: 0.0.3ubunut1 > 0.0.3-0.1
[07:01] <Fujitsu> It has to be 0.0.3ubuntuX, until we get a new upstream version.
[07:01] <imbrandon> ohh yea, that bits ass
[07:01] <imbrandon> bites
[07:02] <imbrandon> wth did someone put 3ubuntu1 and not 3-0ubuntu1 ?
[07:02] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, no.
[07:02] <StevenK> Because -0ubuntu1 is wrong.
[07:03] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, It should have been 3ubuntu1
[07:03] <imbrandon> for native yea but not a non native
[07:04] <imbrandon> gah its just a mess
[07:04] <LaserJock> is it native or not?
[07:04] <crimsun> it is a native source package, but the versioning is fubar now.
[07:04] <imbrandon> becouse of a nmu ?
[07:05] <StevenK> The version is wrong for a NMU, though.
[07:05] <StevenK> It ought to be 0.0.3.1, not 0.0.3-0.1
[07:05] <imbrandon> thats what i thought
[07:05] <imbrandon> navive nmu shoudl be .1 .2 etc
[07:05] <imbrandon> afaik
[07:05] <imbrandon> native* gah
[07:06] <imbrandon> would it not be better to poke debian to fix the version to 0.0.3.2 and reupload THEN sync ?
[07:06] <imbrandon> dunno , just a thought
[07:07] <imbrandon> as 3.2 would be correct AND superceed 0.3-0.1
[07:07] <imbrandon> and fix our problems
[07:07] <Fujitsu> I've got to run off home now...
[07:07] <Fujitsu> I'll be back later!
[07:07] <seth> bye Fujitsu
[07:08] <imbrandon> StevenK, is that somethign a nmu can do ? ( reupload to fix versioning ? )
[07:10] <StevenK> Yes. However, it might be an uphill battle.
[07:10] <StevenK> An NMU just to fix versioning since it affects Ubuntu is likely to be met with hositility.
[07:10] <ajmitch> everything is met with hostility there..
[07:11] <imbrandon> ahh yea it seems so, wish that wasent true
[07:11] <ajmitch> except some things more so than others
[07:13] <imbrandon> i still dont get why (some of ) debian is so against ubuntu , but thats not realy a debate for in here , also dpkg's response to ubuntu on oftc is kinda stupid too ( ubuntu is an african word for "i cant configure debian" )
[07:19] <imbrandon> haha that sudo joke is now a tshirt, i got to get one
[07:19] <imbrandon> http://xkcd.com/store/
[07:34] <imbrandon> man i need to go back to school ...
[07:35] <whiprush> imbrandon: I just started
[07:35] <whiprush> post-bachelor
[07:35] <imbrandon> heya whiprush, cool
[07:35] <whiprush> kind of weird
[07:35] <imbrandon> heh yea, i dunno how i would look pushing 30 going back
[07:35] <whiprush> <-- 31
[07:36] <imbrandon> but i think it will be worth it, heh yea i'm 29 this year
[07:36] <whiprush> screw what people think, bettering yourself is always a good investment. that's my theory
[07:36] <imbrandon> true
[07:56] <Fujitsu> What!? ubuntu-universe-sponsors isn't allowed to be up to date with my merges!
[08:01] <imbrandon> your gonna give crimsuns poor 28.8k modem a workout arent you
[08:02] <Fujitsu> Ey, I'm on 28.8k too.
[08:43] <AnAnt> this package needs a second advocate: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3086 . Anyone ?
[09:39] <dholbach> good morning
[09:41] <Hobbsee> hey dholbach!
[09:42] <dholbach> hi Hobbsee
[10:12] <Sp4rKy_> hi
[10:13] <Sp4rKy_> i'm trying add a messsage at preinst with debconf
[10:13] <Sp4rKy_> but when i try a dpkg -i, i've get :
[10:35] <Sp4rKy__> http://pastebin.ca/167729 <== what's wrong here ?
[11:00] <Plug> ok
[11:01] <Plug> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3095
[11:01] <Plug> Now does not restart avahi-daemon! :)
[12:23] <\sh> moins
[12:24] <Fujitsu> Morning, \sh.
[12:37] <\sh> guys, what's wrong with this code in debian/rules:
[12:37] <\sh> ifeq (, $(ARCH))
[12:37] <\sh> ARCH += $(DEB_BUILD_ARCH)
[12:37] <\sh> endif
[12:37] <\sh> ifeq ($(ARCH),x86_64)
[12:37] <\sh> CONFFLAGS += --enable-win64
[12:37] <\sh> endif
[12:38] <\sh> I want to check if the build arch is x86_64 and then I want to set CONFFLAGS
[12:38] <tseng> look at the mono source package in debian
[12:38] <tseng> it does this exactly
[12:38] <tseng> (in ubuntu we remove the if)
[12:39] <tseng> hang on
[12:39] <tseng> ifeq ($(DEB_BUILD_ARCH), amd64) confflags += --with-tls=__thread
[12:39] <tseng> else confflags += --with-tls=pthread
[12:39] <tseng> endif
[12:39] <tseng> add spaces
[12:39] <tseng> line breaks
[12:39] <tseng> they got lost
[12:40] <\sh> hmmm...so we have different arch strings for amd64, emt64 etc? because standard is always x86_64, isn't it
[12:40] <tseng> no
[12:40] <tseng> its amd64
[12:42] <\sh> ok...
[12:44] <\sh> thx a lo
[12:44] <\sh> t
[12:48] <StevenK> \sh: DEB_BUILD_ARCH can be checked with dpkg-architecture, and can be seen in _<arch>.deb
[01:33] <AnAnt> ping crimsun
[01:35] <shawarma> MoM is still running, right?
[01:35] <AnAnt> what's that ?
[01:36] <shawarma> Merge-o-Matic
[01:36] <AnAnt> dunno about it
[01:36] <shawarma> No, I kind of guessed. :-D
[01:39] <Fujitsu> shawarma, it was running a few hours ago...
[01:39] <Fujitsu> I don't see why it wouldn't be.
[01:40] <shawarma> Fujitsu: Any idea why python-scipy is not in there?
[01:41] <Fujitsu> shawarma, I was looking at syncing that just a couple of days back.
[01:41] <Fujitsu> shawarma, it's because it's got no Ubuntu changes.
[01:41] <Fujitsu> It just needs a straight sync.
[01:41] <Fujitsu> Like several thousand other packages.
[01:42] <Fujitsu> My list of science packages lists it as being out of date:
[01:42] <Fujitsu> http://people.ubuntu.com.au/~fujitsu/science/science.html
[01:43] <Fujitsu> You're wanting to request a sync, I presume?
[01:45] <shawarma> Fujitsu: Well, yes, but it appears there's already a bug about it.
[01:46] <shawarma> bug #57070
[01:46] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57070 in python-scipy-core "Please update to latest version" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57070
[01:46] <AnAnt> Fujitsu: what sync do you mean ? sync the ubuntu repos with REVU approved packages ?
[01:46] <Fujitsu> AnAnt, syncing Ubuntu packages from Debian.
[01:46] <Fujitsu> shawarma, ah yes. That's why I was looking to sync it.
[01:47] <AnAnt> Fujitsu: ok, I got an approved package (it's archived), but it isn't in the Ubuntu repos yet, should I ask someone to upload it to repos or what ?
[01:48] <Fujitsu> AnAnt, which package?
[01:48] <AnAnt> Fujitsu: kchmviewer
[01:48] <AnAnt> btw, what version of python is in Edgy ? 2.4 or 2.5 ?
[01:49] <Fujitsu> AnAnt, 2.5 is there, but 2.4 is the default.
[01:49] <slomo> does anybody know a workaround for the ugly fonts in firefox/epiphany after a clean edgy install? ;)
[01:49] <AnAnt> k
[01:49] <Fujitsu> AnAnt, kchmviewer is still sitting in NEW, it needs to be dealt with by one of the archive admins. Shouldn't be too far off.
[01:49] <AnAnt> Fujitsu: do you know about python ?
[01:49] <Fujitsu> AnAnt, what about it?
[01:50] <AnAnt> Fujitsu: I need a way to detect what version is there in configure script
[01:50] <Fujitsu> Why do you need to know that?
[01:50] <AnAnt> Fujitsu: originally the author had this "-lpython"
[01:50] <AnAnt> Fujitsu: that fails on Ubuntu
[01:50] <Fujitsu> Are you Build-Depending on python-dev?
[01:50] <AnAnt> Fujitsu: so I fixed it to  "-lpython2.4"
[01:50] <AnAnt> Fujitsu: yes
[01:51] <AnAnt> Fujitsu: but I was wondering if there is a better way that this fix I done
[01:51] <Fujitsu> I don't know...
[01:52] <AnAnt> k
[01:52] <Fujitsu> shawarma, we also need a new python-numpy for python-scipy to build..
[01:55] <shawarma> Fujitsu: Sounds great. :-)
[01:55] <Fujitsu> shawarma, I'm merging that now.
[01:56] <shawarma> Fujitsu: That's also just a sync now
[01:57] <shawarma> http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/p/python-numpy/python-numpy_1.0b1-1/changelog says that the changes doko made to our version have been merged into the Debian version.
[01:57] <Fujitsu> No.
[01:57] <Fujitsu> Not all the changes.
[01:57] <Fujitsu> There are two changes that haven't been taken up by Debian.
[01:57] <shawarma> Fujitsu: Oh, right.
[01:59] <AnAnt> Fujitsu: I don't understand what you meant by "kchmviewer is still sitting in NEW, it needs to be dealt with by one of the archive admins." ?
[01:59] <AnAnt> Fujitsu: dealt for what exactly ?
[02:00] <Fujitsu> AnAnt, it needs to be manually added to universe by one of the archive admins. It's been uploaded, but it's a new package so needs some extra stuff done to it.
[02:00] <AnAnt> oh
[02:01] <AnAnt> what you mean by new package ?
[02:01] <AnAnt> there is a package in Ubuntu called kchmviewer, it is just an update
[02:02] <Fujitsu> Well, the binary packages are waiting, I'm not sure exactly of the process they are meant to go through.
[02:02] <AnAnt> oh
[02:04] <AnAnt> is Edgy supposed to be out in beginning or end of October ?
[02:05] <Fujitsu> AnAnt, 26th, I think.
[02:06] <AnAnt> k
[02:14] <AnAnt> what does "pkg-not-in-package-test" mean ?
[03:22] <Kagou> ping imbrandon
[04:07] <\sh> guys if anyone has time please have a look at http://librarian.launchpad.net/4228669/buildlog_ubuntu-edgy-amd64.wine_0.9.20-0ubuntu3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[04:07] <\sh> there is a problem with unicode...on amd64
[04:22] <slomo> hm, is pbuilder in edgy broken
[04:22] <slomo> or at least debootstrap?
[04:24] <Kagou> slomo: i'v got no problem with pbuilder today
[04:24] <slomo> when creating a new chroot?
[04:25] <slomo> i get "W: Failure trying to run: chroot /var/cache/pbuilder/build/5346/. mount -t proc proc /proc" on each try, no matter whether it is edgy or a sid chroot
[04:26] <Kagou> not tested this. i can if you want
[04:27] <slomo> please do :)
[04:29] <Kagou> let's go
[04:36] <Kagou> slomo: doing a "sudo pbuilder create --distribution dapper" works fine here
[04:37] <slomo> Kagou: hrm, ok thanks :(
[04:37] <Kagou> slomo: your welcome
[05:08] <bddebian> Heya gang
[07:03] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[07:08] <LaserJock> hi bddebian
[07:13] <AnAnt> ping ajmitch
[07:13] <AnAnt> bddebian: thanks for the advocation
[07:13] <AnAnt> again
[07:14] <bddebian> NP :-)
[07:14] <zul> AnAnt: ajmitch is probably asleep
[07:14] <AnAnt> is there anyone else to clear an upload ?
[07:15] <AnAnt> I need to clear an incomplete upload of elinks-full
[07:15] <AnAnt> anyone ?
[07:17] <AnAnt> ping crimsun
[07:17] <AnAnt> ping lionelp
[07:18] <AnAnt> ping siretart
[07:20] <AnAnt> where's everyone ?
[07:21] <AnAnt> ping LaserJock
[07:21] <LaserJock> yeah
[07:21] <AnAnt> LaserJock: can you clear an incomplete upload ?
[07:21] <LaserJock> nope
[07:22] <AnAnt> LaserJock: who can ?
[07:22] <LaserJock> raphink: need some REVU help
[07:22] <AnAnt> ping raphink
[07:22] <raphink> yes yes
[07:22] <raphink> I'm a bit busy right now
[07:23] <raphink> what has to be removed?
[07:23] <AnAnt> raphink: elinks-full
[07:23] <raphink> done
[07:23] <AnAnt> raphink: thanks
[08:38] <AnAnt> ping bddebian
[08:42] <bddebian> AnAnt: I ran away :-)
[08:42] <AnAnt> ok
[08:43] <bddebian> AnAnt: Whatcha need?
[08:43] <bddebian> A review of elinks?
[08:43] <AnAnt> bddebian: how did you guess ?
[08:43] <AnAnt> elinks-full though
[08:43] <AnAnt> not elinks
[08:44] <bddebian> OK, let me see if I can get to my machine at home
[08:44] <AnAnt> if you read lionelp's review on elinks, you'd understand why I did that
[08:46] <AnAnt> k
[08:46] <AnAnt> who else can I trick to review another package ?
[08:46] <AnAnt> btw, anyone from France here ?
[08:47] <bddebian> AnAnt: I can tell you right away that you need to remove all the autoconf generated files if possible
[08:48] <AnAnt> it's in the orig
[08:48] <AnAnt> how would I do that ?
[08:50] <AnAnt> btw, you'll find a manpage warning
[08:50] <AnAnt> but I dunno how to fix it
[08:51] <bddebian> The manpage?
[08:51] <AnAnt> yeah
[08:52] <LaserJock> oh my gosh
[08:53] <LaserJock> !!!
[08:53] <AnAnt> ?
[08:53] <LaserJock> UDS Mountain View!!!
[08:53] <bddebian> ?
[08:54] <LaserJock> the next dev summit is at Google Headquaters
[08:54] <AnAnt> that rhymes with Mountain Dew
[08:54] <zul> LaserJock: yeah...sign up today :)
[08:54] <AnAnt> what is that ?
[08:54] <LaserJock> which is a 4 hr drive
[08:54] <LaserJock> wahooo
[08:55] <zul> LaserJock: i take it you are going?
[08:55] <LaserJock> I was pretty sure it was going to be west coast
[08:55] <LaserJock> but I thought LA or San Diego
[08:55] <AnAnt> I thought it was google not wahoo
[08:55] <bddebian> San Diego would be better
[08:55] <LaserJock> I actually wasn't going to go
[08:55] <LaserJock> but I might change my mind now
[08:55] <LaserJock> as I wouldn't need to fly
[08:56] <AnAnt> guess what, I searched for UDS Mountain View on Google and didn't find anything relevant on the first page
[08:59] <AnAnt> well got to sleep
[08:59] <AnAnt> LaserJock: can't I trick you to second a package ?
[09:01] <LaserJock> perhaps
[09:01] <bddebian> AnAnt: Did you look at the manpage to see if there was some weirdness in that file?
[09:01] <AnAnt> LaserJock: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3086
[09:02] <AnAnt> bddebian: what is "weirdness" ? I only written a man page once, and that was after using some help2man converter
[09:04] <bddebian> AnAnt: Well I think it tells you what part of the document has an issue:  p 16, 0.8i, div `an-div', 0.2i
[09:04] <bddebian> In case you don't notice, I'm not a manpage expert either :-)
[09:05] <AnAnt> I thought it was line 994
[09:09] <LaserJock> hmm, I wonder if maybe I don't need sponsorship
[09:11] <AnAnt> ok, really got to sleep
[10:23] <superm1> Could someone tell me how to add my screenshot for a package into the revu upload?
[10:24] <superm1> I was following the Ubuntu packaging guide, and it didn't detail anything about such a thing
[10:28] <fbond> superm1, screenshot for what?
[10:28] <fbond> .debs typically don't have screenshots associated with them
[10:28] <fbond> (as far as I am aware, anyway)
[10:28] <superm1> Well crimsun mentioned to take a screenshot of my package when I finished it
[10:29] <superm1> and was ready to upload it
[10:29] <superm1> he also wanted a pbuilder log to go with it
[10:29] <LaserJock> superm1: that should go in the bug report
[10:29] <LaserJock> not on revu
[10:30] <superm1> OK, so general process.  Its uploading to revu, and there are bugs already open related to updating this package.  Should I just attach to one of those bugs on launchpad then, or open a new one indicating that its on revu now?
[10:31] <LaserJock> this is a bug fix or a merge?
[10:31] <superm1> its a new merge
[10:31] <superm1> its for mythtv
[10:31] <superm1> to bring it up to 0.20
[10:31] <LaserJock> comment on the existing bug report
[10:31] <superm1> but the source is to sync from a newer debian repository
[10:31] <superm1> Ok
[10:32] <crimsun> superm1: those attachments are revelant to LP bug reports, not REVU.
[10:32] <superm1> Ah okay.
[10:32] <superm1> was a bit confused
[10:33] <superm1> So once its actually up on REVU and I attach a screenshot/pbuilder log to the bug, do I need to ask an admin to look at it?  Or what exactly is next?
[10:34] <crimsun> sorry, just got called away to a meeting. If imbrandon needs my backing for TB, I've worked with him on various packages (konversation and apt-mirror come to mind immediately), and he has my +1.
[10:35] <imbrandon> wrong chan crimsun
[10:35] <imbrandon> hehe
[10:35] <bddebian> Oh shix, is there a meeting?
[10:36] <ajmitch> bddebian: just TB
[10:36] <bddebian> Just the TB?
[10:36] <ajmitch> that is what I said
[10:37] <imbrandon> yea i';m going for main and could use some cheers ;)
[10:37] <LaserJock> superm1: probably ping crimsun or another MOTU to have a look
[10:37] <LaserJock> Main?
[10:37] <bddebian> Main?
[10:37] <ajmitch> LaserJock: core-dev
[10:37] <bddebian> We gonna lose another one to main? :-)
[10:37] <LaserJock> ajmitch: full of answers today aren't you? ;-)
[10:38] <bddebian> Bah
[10:38] <superm1> Okay, well then later on tonight I'll be here again to have you guys take a look at it.  thanks :)
[10:38] <ajmitch> bye
[10:39] <LaserJock> oh, it's been going fo 40 min?
[10:40] <hub> so the next ubuntu dev summit is in bushistan
[10:40] <LaserJock> hardly
[10:40] <LaserJock> too close to San Fransisco
[10:41] <hub> san francisco is bushistan
[10:41] <LaserJock> hah
[10:41] <LaserJock> I really don't think the majority of SF would agree ;-)
[10:41] <bddebian> And I really don't care
[10:41] <hub> who is their president?
[10:42] <hub> but whatever
[10:42] <LaserJock> the mayor of SF
[10:42] <ogra> there is a major for science fiction ?
[10:43] <hub> ogra: LOL
[10:43] <LaserJock> isn't that what Trekies do in college
[10:43] <ogra> :)
[10:51] <Plug> Excellent morning news.  ajmitch's last two fixes on board, I have a http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3099 ready
[10:55] <phanatic> good evening
[10:55] <Plug> morning :)
[10:55] <phanatic> morning Plug :)
[11:03] <ajmitch> morning Plug
[11:04] <Plug> hey
[11:06] <ajmitch> imbrandon: well done,
[11:07] <ryanakca> anybody feel like reviewing an iconset? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3098
[11:08] <imbrandon> ajmitch, thanks
[11:09] <imbrandon> man that was a grilling
[11:09] <ajmitch> that was nothing ;)
[11:11] <Adri2000> is there another revu day planned before universe feature freeze ?
[11:13] <ajmitch> Adri2000: we can arrange one
[11:13] <Adri2000> it would be great
[11:15] <Adri2000> ajmitch: can you confirm that new packages can't be added after September 28th ?
[11:15] <Adri2000> if it's right, just 2 weeks remaining
[11:18] <ajmitch> as far as I'm aware, that is true
[11:18] <ajmitch> however there may be some few exceptions made
[11:18] <ajmitch> I don't know if this has been discussed yet
[11:19] <Plug> Christian Marrilat sure is fast.
[11:26] <bddebian> Congrats imbrandon, now go take a nap :-)
[11:27] <LaserJock> heh
[11:29] <Lathiat> haha
[11:32] <imbrandon> thanks bddebian hehe
[11:32] <imbrandon> sleep well, i wont be far behind, i'll need to nap soon
[11:32] <imbrandon> ( in my OWN bed though hehehe )
[11:36] <superm1> Guys I added the myth packages to REVU, with dput about 40 minutes ago, but they aren't showing up on the page.
[11:36] <superm1> is there something else to it?
[11:36] <beligum> Hi all, I have a problem packaging ScreenKast for edgy: it depends on libdts-dev (available according the website), but while building, pbuilder doesn't find it
[11:37] <LaserJock> beligum: what repository?
[11:37] <ajmitch> superm1: you need to be in the launchpad group & the keyring on revu, which an admin needs to sync
[11:37] <beligum> universe
[11:37] <superm1> I joined the group before uploading
[11:37] <LaserJock> beligum: and do you have universe in your pbuilder?
[11:37] <superm1> can I have an admin sync it then?
[11:38] <ajmitch> superm1: I'm doing that now
[11:38] <superm1> Ok, cool thanks
[11:38] <beligum> good question, adjust /etc/pbuilderrc ?
[11:39] <imbrandon> beligum, yea there should be something like
[11:39] <imbrandon> MIRRORSITE=http://192.168.1.5/ubuntu
[11:39] <imbrandon> OTHERMIRROR="deb http://192.168.1.5/ubuntu edgy universe multiverse"
[11:39] <imbrandon> ( not that ip obviously )
[11:39] <imbrandon> thats MY local mirror ;)
[11:39] <beligum> just looking at COMPONENTS, that too?
[11:39] <imbrandon> COMPONENTS="main restricted universe multiverse"
[11:40] <beligum> ah, ok, mine is commented out
[11:45] <Nafallo> no need for OTHERMIRROR with COMPONENTS support
[11:46] <beligum> thanks, it works
[11:46] <superm1> ajmitch, after you sync, will I need to re-upload to revu, or will the packages just show up since I've been synced in?
[11:46] <ryanakca> Can someone review this iconset please? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3098
[11:49] <ajmitch> superm1: they'll show up in a minute or so
[11:49] <superm1> Ok great
[11:52] <beligum> what's the difference between universe and multiverse ?
[11:52] <beligum> (sorry for asking)
[11:53] <phanatic> beligum: multiverse has non-free packages
[11:54] <beligum> oh, I thought that was restricted
[11:54] <Burgwork> beligum, both are not supported by canonical and multiverse has stuff that has troublesome licenses
[11:54] <Burgwork> restricted and main are supported by canonical, restrcited is also stuff that was troublesome licenses
[11:54] <beligum> I see
[11:55] <Burgwork> beligum, you a debian user?
[11:55] <beligum> no, kubuntu
[11:55] <beligum> but didn't know that
[11:55] <Burgwork> ubuntu.com/components (I think)
[11:56] <Plug> What is keeping MythTV in multiverse?
[11:56] <Burgwork> Plug, dependencies of non-free stuff, at a guess (I have not looked at it)
[11:58] <beligum> hmmm, pbuilder takes aaaages
[11:58] <beligum> is there a way to speed it up after a succesful build?
[11:59] <Nafallo> ccache
[11:59] <beligum> (I need to tweak the debian/control file)
[11:59] <superm1> Looks like the dependency that would make it multiverse is liblame
[11:59] <superm1> I think everything else is main/universe
[11:59] <beligum> ccache ?
[12:00] <Nafallo> Description: Compiler results cacher, for fast recompiles
[12:01] <beligum> I know, but how can I use it while packaging?
[12:02] <Nafallo> integrate it with pbuilder
[12:02] <Nafallo> my devel-laptop is dead atm, so I haven't got my conf handy.
[12:03] <ajmitch> Nafallo: and I was about to tell you to put the config on the wiki :)
[12:03] <Nafallo> ajmitch: :-)
[12:09] <huats> does anybody can give me a few hints to build a .deb package starting from a python soft ?