[12:16] ogra hey dude [12:16] yeh sorry took this evening off [12:16] nm, i fixed it with "metacity --replace" [12:16] didn't think you'd be back for TB heheh ;) [12:18] ogra any progresson artwork? [12:18] oh and did you say you had done usplash, cos I upgraded today and didn't get it?? [12:19] and another little bit of news - I've been asked to stand for chairman of the Southampton Technical Panel, for school admins/techies - hopefully will put me in a good position for promoting FLOSS [12:19] in talks with RichEd already ;) [12:22] cbx33, see? you are famous, I told you =) [12:22] heh, nah, I've been on the panel for a while [12:22] and the guy who did it last time didn't want to do it this time ;) === jinty [n=jinty@132.Red-83-55-196.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === Burgwork [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu [12:36] ogra dude ;) [12:36] cbx33, hey [12:37] my wlan is dying constantly again here... :/ [12:37] guess you didn't get my messages [12:37] sorry dude [12:37] nope [12:38] hehe 1) sorry I didn't apply for motu this time...I didn't think you'd be back intime, plus I took a night off from work ;) [12:38] 2) did you get anywhere with artwork [12:38] 3) did you say you had done usplash, cos I apt-get upgraded today, but didnt see the new one :S === stormbuntu [n=stormcha@204.78.0.199] has joined #edubuntu [12:38] hmm [12:39] thats weird, i see it here [12:39] i got the old testing screen again [12:39] I'll reinstall tomorrow [12:39] is the file existing ? [12:39] probably i got the alternatives link wrong [12:40] I'll check it out tomorrow morming [12:40] and mail you [12:40] i'll chec as well (need to get the CD done before tomorrow noon [12:40] ) [12:41] yes [12:41] knot 3 eh? [12:41] else we wont have a knot3 [12:41] yes, but i travel on thursday and need to do some preparation before [12:41] cripes === cafuego [n=cafuego@ppp204-136.lns3.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined #edubuntu [12:41] anything I can do? [12:41] nope === TeePOG [n=arno@196.211.231.162] has joined #edubuntu [12:41] hi again [12:41] test tomorrow [12:42] ok [12:42] but if you find probs i wont be able to fix them... [12:42] hehehe [12:42] I'll just LP them [12:42] so if there are blockers we'll have no knot [12:42] its very bad timing [12:43] did you get artwork pacakge done? [12:43] not yet [12:44] why would my Gnome desktop not be able to browse my SMB network shares? [12:44] from KDE, it works [12:45] http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=3163263343187879320&q=genre%3Acomedy [12:45] thought that may amuse people [12:45] !samba [12:45] samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT [12:46] TeePOG, thats for you [12:47] thanks stormbuntu, was AFK getting water :-) [12:47] ;) [12:47] but this server isn't workgroup master... will SWAT still have an effect? [12:48] not sure [12:48] worth a shot thou [12:48] will check, thx [12:48] ya [12:48] just strange that it works on KDE and all [12:49] also edubuntu btw [12:49] did you set it up on KDE? [12:50] nope, it showed me the workgroup's computers, and asked for password when I click on a comp... [12:50] in gnome, it tells me i don't have permission to view the workgroup [12:50] hmmm [12:51] but in KDE you do have permissions? [12:51] weired [12:51] yup [12:51] it's weird [12:51] weird*\ [12:51] snap [12:52] ping TeePOG [12:52] yah [12:52] lol [12:52] is there no equivalent to Smb4k in gnome? [12:52] thas outta my league, ;) [12:52] ok [12:52] what do you do mostly, stormbuntu? [12:53] TeePOG, what do you mean? [12:53] I have been using ubuntu for about 3 weeks now [12:53] lol [12:53] and fell in love [12:54] oh ok... [12:54] thought you were one of the developers :-D [12:55] one of these days, one of these days [01:01] lol indeed [01:01] all of us [01:01] hmm, where'd ogra go [01:02] actually, i *MIGHT* go and work with the Tuxlab guys next year sometime... praying every day === TeePOG will brb -- rebooting === TeePOG [n=arno@196.211.231.162] has joined #edubuntu [01:08] hi === LaserJock is now known as Laser_away === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu [01:16] hi Amaranth [01:17] hey Amaranth [01:17] hey [01:18] I've found myself a major new timewaster [01:18] grid wars :) [01:19] what's that? [01:20] You don't want to know, it'll suck you in. [01:20] It's a clone of a hidden minigame from Project Gotham Racing === TeePOG relishes his ignorance [01:21] http://worldofstuart.excellentcontent.com/grid/wars.htm [01:22] lol ok, will try it later [01:23] if you have a *doze PC available, download Plasma Pong [01:23] it's the most awesome version of that game, EVER [01:24] anyhoo, rebooting, bbl === cbx333 [n=prochat1@84-45-238-195.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #edubuntu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #edubuntu [02:36] Hello === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@201.230.102.19] has joined #edubuntu === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #edubuntu === TeePOG [n=arno@196.211.231.162] has joined #edubuntu [03:45] morning === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu === rjian[O-U-T] [n=rjian_se@203.87.182.102] has joined #edubuntu === rjian[O-U-T] [n=rjian_se@203.87.182.102] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@S0106000b6a5631f9.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu [04:42] Good evening, fellow Edubuntuites [04:46] hi there sbalneav [04:46] hello hello [04:46] although it's more like "Good morning" [04:47] That rather depends upon your longitude :) === TeePOG takes another toke [04:48] yah mon, i'm on a longitude of me own mon [04:48] lol [04:48] naw, working actually === rjian[O-U-T] [n=rjian_se@203.87.182.102] has joined #edubuntu === rjian[O-U-T] [n=rjian_se@203.87.182.102] has joined #edubuntu === raymondtracm [n=tracmyfl@c-24-4-120-218.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu [05:51] dappers ltsp should still work if I chane the ip addresses it allocats in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf right ? the clients boot, but no one can log in anymore :( [05:51] s/chane/change [06:00] Yagisan: you'll need to sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys [06:01] sbalneav, thanks mate. I knew I forgot something. (the wonders of far too little sleep) === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@202.149.56.110] has joined #edubuntu [06:01] nP [06:01] NP, I mean [06:02] on an unrelated note, could you think of a reason why my sound isn't working? [06:02] i get no errors [06:02] sound seems to play [06:02] except nothing comes out of the headphones [06:03] IIRC sound is not supposed to be working on dapper. I've not tried edgy though === raymondtracm [n=tracmyfl@c-24-4-120-218.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has left #edubuntu [] === raymondtracm [n=tracmyfl@c-24-4-120-218.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu [06:08] wth? "sound not supposed to be working"... who decided this? [06:09] TeePOG, everyone that did not have time ti implement it === raymondtracm [n=tracmyfl@c-24-4-120-218.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has left #edubuntu [] === raymondtracm [n=tracmyfl@c-24-4-120-218.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu === raymondtracm [n=tracmyfl@c-24-4-120-218.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has left #edubuntu [] === rjian[O-U-T] [n=rjian_se@203.87.182.102] has joined #edubuntu === Laser_away is now known as LaserJock === rjian[O-U-T] [n=rjian_se@203.87.182.102] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [07:26] hi jsgotangco [07:27] LaserJock: hey [07:27] going to montain view? === TeePOG [n=arno@196.211.231.162] has joined #edubuntu [07:38] morning [07:38] hello [07:42] jsgotangco: I should think so [07:42] jsgotangco: how about you? [07:43] LaserJock: i doubt it [07:43] if i go, i pay for myself [07:43] or have employer pay for it (i think) [07:43] really? [07:43] i need to have some tangible effort on my work by that time [07:44] mhm [07:45] my only concern is what my boss is going to think about me taking off 2 weeks this year just for Ubuntu dev summits === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@201.230.102.19] has joined #edubuntu [07:46] yeah its tricky especially if your work isnt related at all [07:46] mhm [07:46] i have a derivative in the works, currently doing some specs [07:47] cool [07:47] using LP? [07:47] i haven't but i should i think [07:48] we've been using LP a lot for that derivative raphink and I have been working on [07:48] specs, bugs, hopefully soon rosetta [07:48] did you start from a desktop cd or from an alternate one? [07:48] desktop [07:48] Kubuntu [07:49] we're targeting desktop users mostly [07:49] yes [07:49] maybe i should pull edubuntu desktop [07:50] alternate is better for people who know what they're doing, but the desktop cd is flashier [07:50] pretty straightforward to customize too [07:50] what the heck ill pull both [07:53] jsgotangco: so is it an Edubuntu derivative then? === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@202.149.56.110] has joined #edubuntu [07:55] yeah === TeePOG puts up dis hand for a question [08:01] erm... LP? [08:01] launchpad [08:01] specifically http://launchpad.net === HedgeMage [n=HedgeMag@ubuntu/member/hedgemage] has joined #edubuntu [08:15] ah, thanks [08:15] ahhhhh, the wonders of having been up for 24 hours [08:26] Morning from a Suny Cape Town [08:26] hi RichEd [08:26] hi TeePOG : making progress ? [08:27] greetz LaserJock : did you get sorted with the basic menu for the freee ? [08:27] missing zed there : for the freeze [08:27] I uploaded edubuntu-menus to Universe [08:28] we'll probably want to tweak the .menu files [08:28] but it's there anyway [08:28] and what did the basic look like in the end ? [08:29] hmm, hang on a sec [08:30] hey RichEd good morning to you [08:30] hi jsgotangco : wassup in the Pacific regions today ? [08:32] RichEd: heh, well it seems I don't have the source on me :/ [08:32] RichEd: pretty quiet, its mostly doing research for now, did some of my homework though still havent gotten any replies from our contacts, but seems to be mindset has a better model suited to our requirements === RichEd thinks LaserJock may taste bland without any source on him [08:32] heh [08:33] I think it was: calculator, firefox, text editor, oo writer, oo calc [08:33] LaserJock: quick lesson for me ... If I wanted to add a new top level menu onto my Edubuntu Task Bar [ Applications ] [ Places ] [ System ] [ myMenu ] ... [08:33] because that was before I got the "This is the final list" email === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu [08:33] ahh [08:33] And then add items to [ myMenu ] where would I start to read up ? [08:34] well, as far as the menu itself you need to look at the menu spec at freedesktop.org [08:34] but getting it in the panel ... [08:34] that might be gnome-menus [08:35] okay ... thanks ... will dig around on a quiet day :) [08:39] RichEd: at the moment, project is very much in flux, we couldn't think o f a way to approach it, we'll probably do something way different that is acceptable to regina [08:39] RichEd: http://www.gnome.org/learn/admin-guide/latest/menustructure-0.html [08:40] ^^ is a good resource [08:40] Thanks ... Who is regina and why is she fussy ? [08:40] RichEd: Gina [08:41] sorry jsgotangco : I read both of those lines as coming from LaserJock :-! [08:41] Let me read again without a slim timeslice between windows ... give me a minute [08:42] haha [08:43] well, I was hoping to catch ogra waking up before I went to bed [08:43] but it doesn't look like I'm going to make it [08:44] good night edubuntu land [08:45] dream of thin clients and not-too-fat CDs === LaserJock is now known as Laser_away [08:49] jsgotangco: okay ... my head is in the right gear now ... [08:51] jsgotangco: I'd like to help with a chat to biunce around some ideas, and let me qualify that by saying *not* with an Ubuntu agenda, but with a general where to start to show some positive impact with your new role. [08:52] It would need to be a slow sensible chat, when I can have some dedicated time, and not to multi-taks, or get too broad or vague. [08:53] So, if you would like to send me a rambling email with some background: thoughts, concerns, areas of potential, constraints (political, financial, or other) ... [08:53] Then if I could read it on the weekend, we could make some time next week for a skype. [08:54] That's just an offer: No pressure. Take it or leave it. :) [08:58] RichEd: i'll whip one later or tomorrow, since friday is a free time for me, i could do it before the week ends [09:04] jsgotangco: No rush at all. It's a personal interest for me, and not a job item, but I am willing to jump in. === Burgundavia_ [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu [09:05] For example, the circumstances around cbx33 and his possible ICT chairman role have had some good resonance with some of the contacts I have been chatting to. And we now have a real troute forward to get a project going. [09:06] RichEd: ict chairmanship? [09:06] So, if you and I chat, we may find the same w.r.t. Mindset & Sat-Ed, where we can find a realistic exercise to tackle in bite size chunks. Low on promises and PRO, high in results and delivery. [09:06] Stuff that makes real-world people confortable & happy. [09:07] ict chairmanship wow [09:07] Burgundavia: yeah ... cute & paste from above ... looks like you just missed the comment: [09:07] * Burgwork has quit (Remote closed the connection) [09:07] and another little bit of news - I've been asked to stand for chairman of the Southampton Technical Panel, for school admins/techies - hopefully will put me in a good position for promoting FLOSS [09:07] in talks with RichEd already ;) [09:08] As a quick expansion, it is a panel of 5 schools ICT admin staff. [09:08] So recommendations from cbx33 will be across 5 schools, and not just his own. [09:09] So we are working on him creating a project to "assess the impact of open source and how it could fit into the current environment alongside MS" on the basis that Open Source *will* arrive in schools, just a matter of when. [09:10] So he tells the panel, that his school will take the lead in an assessment study. He tells his school that the panel supports the idea that his school takes the lead in an assessment study. [09:11] And bang: it's an official project, sacntioned by the panel, and with an impact on 5 schools IT staff & environments. [09:11] That's just the concept we thrashed out yesterday. [09:12] brilliant its so evil i love it [09:14] The bottom line is that people are afraid of open source. If he can do an impact assessment, and conclude that there is none, and hey Edubuntu can share the server file store and authentication, and proxy. Then he says "come and see for yourselves" in my test lab. [09:15] RichEd: on a serious note, we (me and Gina) talked about doing this before, but since im a developer and she's a broadcast professional, we were a bit stumped [09:15] (parallel eval sort of thing) [09:15] And then they see it live for themselves, and someone says, that actually looks quite a lot like windoze ... (don't shoot me) ... then the thin end of the wedge is in place. [09:17] Last comment: We have a business experience volunteer in the UK who want to talks to schools management around Open Source (Jon Masters' father) ... so he would be the guest speaker at the demo. [09:17] anyways, the next few weeks would be interesting, my current job focuses on 3 areas in the foundation, but 60% of which is for E Media [09:18] jsgotangco: I can guarantee you that there is at least one place where Open Source will do a current job better than an existing OS. We just ned to find the spot to put the wedge in. [09:19] there's no question about it, the question is more on how E Media evolves to a technology driven project [09:20] And we combine the needs as follows: how does eMedia evolve to a technology driven project *priority* and what actual project do you tackle to demonstrate that, with a preference for a projecty that uses an Open Source plaftorm ... with the following important point: [09:21] You may not want to highlight the FOSS or pay it any attention at all up front. It it the platform you normally use, so you just go ahead and use it. After the eMedia result is demonstrated, then you may choose to say, and by the way, it is running on Ubuntu. [09:22] A simple fact of life, not a hard sell. === cafuego [n=cafuego@ppp204-136.lns3.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined #edubuntu [09:25] jsgotangco: make sense ? [09:26] sure, the solution being FOSS doesnt really sell on marketing terms, i mean if the solution we come up fits as FOSS, we've achieved our target [09:26] jsgotangco: "anyways, the next few weeks would be interesting, my current job focuses on 3 areas in the foundation, but 60% of which is for E Media" that's the backgound I'd like in the email ... what's on your plate now ... not what's for dessert later. [09:26] I must get into my email and the wiki pages now ... will be here ... but working :) [09:27] The current stuff in E Media are on unrestricted DVDs so making them run as is on a computer will work, [09:27] TeePOG: ping you still alive ? [09:31] RichEd: pong. no, really.... pong... i forgot my roll-on :-( [09:32] hehe === TeePOG greets everyone === maxamillion [n=max@ip70-179-171-74.dl.dl.cox.net] has joined #edubuntu === maxamillion [n=max@ip70-179-171-74.dl.dl.cox.net] has left #edubuntu [] === jono [n=jono@88-107-5-110.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@84-45-197-14.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #edubuntu === pygi [n=pygi@89-172-206-61.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu [10:31] hey pygi [10:32] hey cbx33 [10:32] howz it going [10:33] sleepy ^_^ [10:33] what about you? [10:41] heheh not too bad [10:41] ping RichEd [10:41] 'lo cbx33 [10:41] news? [10:42] re: meeting with will ? === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #edubuntu [10:43] not seen him around for more than join & disconnect messages with about 2 mins inbetwen the 2 === pygi [n=pygi@89-172-207-109.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu [10:50] once again morning :) === HedgeMage [n=HedgeMag@ubuntu/member/hedgemage] has left #edubuntu [] [10:52] morning pygi mate === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@132.Red-83-55-196.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu [10:57] mornin ogra [10:59] morning ogra [11:00] cbx33, i have a working usplash theme here after installing edubuntu-artwork-usplash ... whre des your alternatives link point to ? [11:00] *does [11:04] I'll just check [11:05] the file is for sure in the package, so the only thing that could be wrong is the alternative ... [11:05] ogra@edubuntu:~$ dpkg -c /var/cache/apt/archives/edubuntu-artwork-usplash_0.1.0-34_i386.deb |grep .so [11:05] -rw-r--r-- root/root 2064992 2006-09-11 18:16 ./usr/lib/usplash/usplash-theme-edubuntu.so [11:06] ... [11:06] ok I'll check it out now [11:06] ogra@edubuntu:~$ ls -l /etc/alternatives/usplash-artwork.so [11:06] lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 42 2006-09-13 00:56 /etc/alternatives/usplash-artwork.so -> /usr/lib/usplash/usplash-theme-edubuntu.so [11:06] thats how the link should look like [11:06] ok [11:06] just checking now [11:08] yeh alternatives is wrong [11:08] how do I update properly :S [11:08] where does it point to ? [11:09] must be a bug in the package ... [11:09] could be [11:09] tell ya what [11:09] (i set the alternative manually during testing) [11:09] ahhh [11:09] if [11:09] so tell me where it points to [11:09] /usr/lib/usplash/edubuntu-splash.so [11:10] hmm ... k [11:10] thats the old file [11:10] and I used to have symlink at that location that pointed back [11:10] creating a neverending loop [11:10] circular resolution ;) [11:10] no, thats right [11:11] so /usr/lib/usplash/edubuntu-usplash.so pointed back to alternatives ? [11:11] thats how alternatives should work ... ubuntu-splash.so should point to /etc/alternatives ... [11:11] oh ok [11:11] i see [11:11] and /etc/alternatives should then point to edubuntu-splash.so [11:11] what about if I remove all the alternatives etc [11:11] and then try reinstalling the packge [11:11] no, dont touch it [11:11] ok [11:11] youre my testcase ;) [11:12] (me tried to avoid the word guineapig :)) [11:12] i need a system where its broen to fix it ;) === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [11:12] *broken ... [11:12] ogra: but I'm not sure it is broken [11:12] ogra: but I'm not sure it is broken [11:12] hmm, easiest would probably be to just rename the .so ... [11:13] I edited a symlink in the /usr/lib/usplash [11:13] well, you said you dont see the splash [11:13] no I don;t [11:13] but it could have been my fault [11:13] right [11:13] hmm [11:13] I didn't touch /etc/alternatives [11:13] but i did touch the one in /uer/lib/usplash [11:14] what do you suggest? [11:14] what did you do with it ? [11:15] sadly the installer is still broken, else i could test with a CD ... [11:15] made it point to the .so in that folder [11:15] no, thats wrong indeed [11:15] I know that now [11:16] Seveas: and I had a discussion and I must have gotten it wrong [11:17] but he said that circular resolution should happen [11:17] that's what threw me [11:17] ogra: i can reinstall with a knot 2 cd [11:18] well, its not really circular [11:18] that would help a lot [11:18] two symlinks pointed directly to each other [11:18] ogra: np dude [11:18] I'll reinstall now [11:18] and test [11:18] i have no knot2 around anymore ... only broken knot3's [11:18] cbx33, you coming to UDS? :) === TeePOG will brb [11:18] does desktop install faster than alternative? [11:19] depends [11:19] .. totally on your CD speed [11:19] it's ok [11:20] but a workstation install would suffice === TeePOG [n=arno@196.211.231.162] has joined #edubuntu [11:21] cbx33, poke, you alive? :) [11:24] pygi: yup I'm here [11:24] I'm goign to try to get to UDS === jsgotangco thinks you should [11:24] nice cbx33 :) [11:24] too bad i dont see myself going this time around :/ [11:25] I heard you're pretty busy [11:25] should be big when it hits [11:25] solidifies the project ;) [11:25] excellent [11:26] I'm hoping this panel chair position will give me some more opportunities [11:27] being involved in a free software / operating system wasn't enough???? [11:27] :D [11:27] heh [11:28] it's a position for chairman of an ICT panel in our city [11:28] I can advise schools ;) [11:28] cbx33, once again I won't be probably :P [11:28] pygi: that sux :( [11:31] cbx33, ah well :) [11:36] why is wiki so slow :P [11:41] wiki is always slow [11:44] cbx33, ah, thats true :-/ [11:47] ogra: is the ltsp build chroot progress indicator getting an upgrade ? [11:47] nope [11:48] sadly i didnt manage to get that done this time ... [11:48] (to many other changes) [11:48] ok [11:48] just enquiring [11:48] ogra, let's hope I can get my keys signed at least on Hungarian conf., so could help you a bit with MOTU-ing [11:48] this way is very bad :-/ [11:48] that'd be cool :) [11:49] I'll be applying for MOTU at next opportunity ;) [11:49] yeah, finding a sponsor for every upload is annoying [11:49] cbx33, and you'll be accepted :) [11:49] ogra, I wrote something for UDS also: [11:49] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperSummitMountainView/Sponsorship?action=subscribe [11:49] ergh :P [11:49] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperSummitMountainView/Sponsorship [11:50] I'm all the way down ^_^ [11:50] pygi: I don;t know if I'll be accepted...LaserJock had some good points [11:50] heh ;) [11:50] cbx33, what good points? :) [11:50] the fact that I havn't actually done huge amounts of pacakging [11:50] pygi, yeah, i see you :) [11:51] just that I need upload rights a lot of the time [11:51] ogra, that stuff any good that I weitten? :) [11:51] sure [11:51] cbx33, ok, lets do more packaging, you willing? :) [11:51] you list a lot :) [11:51] ogra, I can list even more, but decided I'll stop not to crash wiki:) [11:52] heh [11:52] pygi: you done tonnes.....on that wiki page ;) [11:52] pygi: sure we can do more packaging hehehe [11:52] cbx33, ok, tommorow is the day when we start packaging more [11:52] heh [11:52] we can get at least 10 new packages by the time you need to be accepted :) === cbx33 laughs [11:53] I'm not that good [11:53] that's like one a day [11:53] cbx33, that's why I'll be helping :P [11:53] you're great pygi [11:54] heh [11:54] cbx33, and btw. you've done more then I did ;) /comment on your above statement/ [11:55]