[12:16] <cbx33> ogra hey dude
[12:16] <cbx33> yeh sorry took this evening off
[12:16] <TeePOG> nm, i fixed it with "metacity --replace"
[12:16] <cbx33> didn't think you'd be back for TB heheh ;)
[12:18] <cbx33> ogra any progresson artwork?
[12:18] <cbx33> oh and did you say you had done usplash, cos I upgraded today and didn't get it??
[12:19] <cbx33> and another little bit of news - I've been asked to stand for chairman of the Southampton Technical Panel, for school admins/techies - hopefully will put me in a good position for promoting FLOSS
[12:19] <cbx33> in talks with RichEd already ;)
[12:22] <pygi> cbx33, see? you are famous, I told you =)
[12:22] <cbx33> heh, nah, I've been on the panel for a while
[12:22] <cbx33> and the guy who did it last time didn't want to do it this time ;)
[12:36] <cbx33> ogra dude ;)
[12:36] <ogra> cbx33, hey
[12:37] <ogra> my wlan is dying constantly again here... :/
[12:37] <cbx33> guess you didn't get my messages
[12:37] <cbx33> sorry dude
[12:37] <ogra> nope
[12:38] <cbx33> hehe 1) sorry I didn't apply for motu this time...I didn't think you'd be back intime, plus I took a night off from work ;)
[12:38] <cbx33> 2) did you get anywhere with artwork
[12:38] <cbx33> 3) did you say you had done usplash, cos I apt-get upgraded today, but didnt see the new one :S
[12:38] <ogra> hmm
[12:39] <ogra> thats weird, i see it here
[12:39] <cbx33> i got the old testing screen again
[12:39] <cbx33> I'll reinstall tomorrow
[12:39] <ogra> is the file existing ?
[12:39] <ogra> probably i got the alternatives link wrong
[12:40] <cbx33> I'll check it out tomorrow morming
[12:40] <cbx33> and mail you
[12:40] <ogra> i'll chec as well (need to get the CD done before tomorrow noon
[12:40] <ogra> )
[12:41] <cbx33> yes
[12:41] <cbx33> knot 3 eh?
[12:41] <ogra> else we wont have a knot3
[12:41] <ogra> yes, but i travel on thursday and need to do some preparation before 
[12:41] <cbx33> cripes
[12:41] <cbx33> anything I can do?
[12:41] <ogra> nope
[12:41] <TeePOG> hi again
[12:41] <ogra> test tomorrow
[12:42] <cbx33> ok
[12:42] <ogra> but if you find probs i wont be able to fix them... 
[12:42] <cbx33> hehehe
[12:42] <cbx33> I'll just LP them
[12:42] <ogra> so if there are blockers we'll have no knot
[12:42] <ogra> its very bad timing
[12:43] <cbx33> did you get artwork pacakge done?
[12:43] <ogra> not yet
[12:44] <TeePOG> why would my Gnome desktop not be able to browse my SMB network shares?
[12:44] <TeePOG> from KDE, it works
[12:45] <cbx33> http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=3163263343187879320&q=genre%3Acomedy
[12:45] <cbx33> thought that may amuse people
[12:45] <stormbuntu> !samba
[12:45] <ubotu> samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[12:46] <stormbuntu> TeePOG, thats for you
[12:47] <TeePOG> thanks stormbuntu, was AFK getting water :-)
[12:47] <stormbuntu> ;)
[12:47] <TeePOG> but this server isn't workgroup master... will SWAT still have an effect?
[12:48] <stormbuntu> not sure
[12:48] <stormbuntu> worth a shot thou
[12:48] <TeePOG> will check, thx
[12:48] <stormbuntu> ya
[12:48] <TeePOG> just strange that it works on KDE and all
[12:49] <TeePOG> also edubuntu btw
[12:49] <stormbuntu> did you set it up on KDE?
[12:50] <TeePOG> nope, it showed me the workgroup's computers, and asked for password when I click on a comp...
[12:50] <TeePOG> in gnome, it tells me i don't have permission to view the workgroup
[12:50] <stormbuntu> hmmm
[12:51] <stormbuntu> but in KDE you do have permissions?
[12:51] <stormbuntu> weired
[12:51] <TeePOG> yup
[12:51] <TeePOG> it's weird
[12:51] <stormbuntu> weird*\
[12:51] <TeePOG> snap
[12:52] <stormbuntu> ping TeePOG 
[12:52] <TeePOG> yah
[12:52] <stormbuntu> lol
[12:52] <TeePOG> is there no equivalent to Smb4k in gnome?
[12:52] <stormbuntu> thas outta my league, ;)
[12:52] <TeePOG> ok
[12:52] <TeePOG> what do you do mostly, stormbuntu?
[12:53] <stormbuntu> TeePOG, what do you mean?
[12:53] <stormbuntu> I have been using ubuntu for about 3 weeks now
[12:53] <stormbuntu> lol
[12:53] <stormbuntu> and fell in love
[12:54] <TeePOG> oh ok...
[12:54] <TeePOG> thought you were one of the developers :-D
[12:55] <stormbuntu> one of these days, one of these days
[01:01] <TeePOG> lol indeed
[01:01] <TeePOG> all of us
[01:01] <LaserJock> hmm, where'd ogra go
[01:02] <TeePOG> actually, i *MIGHT* go and work with the Tuxlab guys next year sometime... praying every day
[01:08] <TeePOG> hi
[01:16] <TeePOG> hi Amaranth
[01:17] <Burgwork> hey Amaranth 
[01:17] <Amaranth> hey
[01:18] <Amaranth> I've found myself a major new timewaster
[01:18] <Amaranth> grid wars :)
[01:19] <TeePOG> what's that?
[01:20] <Amaranth> You don't want to know, it'll suck you in.
[01:20] <Amaranth> It's a clone of a hidden minigame from Project Gotham Racing
[01:21] <Amaranth> http://worldofstuart.excellentcontent.com/grid/wars.htm
[01:22] <TeePOG> lol ok, will try it later
[01:23] <TeePOG> if you have a *doze PC available, download Plasma Pong
[01:23] <TeePOG> it's the most awesome version of that game, EVER
[01:24] <TeePOG> anyhoo, rebooting, bbl
[02:36] <bddebian> Hello
[03:45] <TeePOG> morning
[04:42] <sbalneav> Good evening, fellow Edubuntuites
[04:46] <TeePOG> hi there sbalneav
[04:46] <sbalneav> hello hello
[04:46] <TeePOG> although it's more like "Good morning"
[04:47] <sbalneav> That rather depends upon your longitude :)
[04:48] <TeePOG> yah mon, i'm on a longitude of me own mon
[04:48] <TeePOG> lol
[04:48] <TeePOG> naw, working actually
[05:51] <Yagisan> dappers ltsp should still work if I chane the ip addresses it allocats in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf right ? the clients boot, but no one can log in anymore :(
[05:51] <Yagisan> s/chane/change
[06:00] <sbalneav> Yagisan: you'll need to sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys
[06:01] <Yagisan> sbalneav, thanks mate. I knew I forgot something. (the wonders of far too little sleep)
[06:01] <sbalneav> nP
[06:01] <sbalneav> NP, I mean
[06:02] <TeePOG> on an unrelated note, could you think of a reason why my sound isn't working?
[06:02] <TeePOG> i get no errors
[06:02] <TeePOG> sound seems to play
[06:02] <TeePOG> except nothing comes out of the headphones
[06:03] <Yagisan> IIRC sound is not supposed to be working on dapper. I've not tried edgy though
[06:08] <TeePOG> wth? "sound not supposed to be working"... who decided this?
[06:09] <Yagisan> TeePOG, everyone that did not have time ti implement it
[07:26] <LaserJock> hi jsgotangco 
[07:27] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: hey
[07:27] <jsgotangco> going to montain view?
[07:38] <TeePOG> morning
[07:38] <jsgotangco> hello
[07:42] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: I should think so
[07:42] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: how about you?
[07:43] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: i doubt it
[07:43] <jsgotangco> if i go, i pay for myself
[07:43] <jsgotangco> or have employer pay for it (i think)
[07:43] <LaserJock> really?
[07:43] <jsgotangco> i need to have some tangible effort on my work by that time
[07:44] <LaserJock> mhm
[07:45] <LaserJock> my only concern is what my boss is going to think about me taking off 2 weeks this year just for Ubuntu dev summits
[07:46] <jsgotangco> yeah its tricky especially if your work isnt related at all
[07:46] <LaserJock> mhm
[07:46] <jsgotangco> i have a derivative in the works, currently doing some specs
[07:47] <LaserJock> cool
[07:47] <LaserJock> using LP?
[07:47] <jsgotangco> i haven't but i should i think
[07:48] <LaserJock> we've been using LP a lot for that derivative raphink and I have been working on
[07:48] <LaserJock> specs, bugs, hopefully soon rosetta
[07:48] <jsgotangco> did you start from a desktop cd or from an alternate one?
[07:48] <LaserJock> desktop
[07:48] <LaserJock> Kubuntu
[07:49] <LaserJock> we're targeting desktop users mostly
[07:49] <jsgotangco> yes
[07:49] <jsgotangco> maybe i should pull edubuntu desktop
[07:50] <LaserJock> alternate is better for people who know what they're doing, but the desktop cd is flashier
[07:50] <LaserJock> pretty straightforward to customize too
[07:50] <jsgotangco> what the heck ill pull both
[07:53] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: so is it an Edubuntu derivative then?
[07:55] <jsgotangco> yeah
[08:01] <TeePOG> erm... LP?
[08:01] <LaserJock> launchpad
[08:01] <LaserJock> specifically http://launchpad.net
[08:15] <TeePOG> ah, thanks
[08:15] <TeePOG> ahhhhh, the wonders of having been up for 24 hours
[08:26] <RichEd> Morning from a Suny Cape Town
[08:26] <LaserJock> hi RichEd 
[08:26] <RichEd> hi TeePOG : making progress ?
[08:27] <RichEd> greetz LaserJock : did you get sorted with the basic menu for the freee ?
[08:27] <RichEd> missing zed there : for the freeze
[08:27] <LaserJock> I uploaded edubuntu-menus to Universe
[08:28] <LaserJock> we'll probably want to tweak the .menu files
[08:28] <LaserJock> but it's there anyway
[08:28] <RichEd> and what did the basic look like in the end ?
[08:29] <LaserJock> hmm, hang on a sec
[08:30] <jsgotangco> hey RichEd good morning to you
[08:30] <RichEd> hi jsgotangco : wassup in the Pacific regions today ?
[08:32] <LaserJock> RichEd: heh, well it seems I don't have the source on me :/
[08:32] <jsgotangco> RichEd: pretty quiet, its mostly doing research for now, did some of my homework though still havent gotten any replies from our contacts, but seems to be mindset has a better model suited to our requirements
[08:32] <LaserJock> heh
[08:33] <LaserJock> I think it was: calculator, firefox, text editor, oo writer, oo calc
[08:33] <RichEd> LaserJock: quick lesson for me ... If I wanted to add a new top level menu onto my Edubuntu Task Bar [ Applications ]  [ Places ]  [ System ]  [ myMenu ]  ...
[08:33] <LaserJock> because that was before I got the "This is the final list" email
[08:33] <LaserJock> ahh
[08:33] <RichEd> And then add items to [ myMenu ]  where would I start to read up ?
[08:34] <LaserJock> well, as far as the menu itself you need to look at the menu spec at freedesktop.org
[08:34] <LaserJock> but getting it in the panel ...
[08:34] <LaserJock> that might be gnome-menus
[08:35] <RichEd> okay ... thanks ... will dig around on a quiet day :)
[08:39] <jsgotangco> RichEd: at the moment, project is very much in flux, we couldn't think o f a way to approach it, we'll probably do something way different that is acceptable to regina
[08:39] <LaserJock> RichEd: http://www.gnome.org/learn/admin-guide/latest/menustructure-0.html
[08:40] <LaserJock> ^^ is a good resource
[08:40] <RichEd> Thanks ... Who is regina and why is she fussy ?
[08:40] <jsgotangco> RichEd: Gina
[08:41] <RichEd> sorry jsgotangco : I read both of those lines as coming from LaserJock :-!
[08:41] <RichEd> Let me read again without a slim timeslice between windows ... give me a minute
[08:42] <LaserJock> haha
[08:43] <LaserJock> well, I was hoping to catch ogra waking up before I went to bed
[08:43] <LaserJock> but it doesn't look like I'm going to make it
[08:44] <LaserJock> good night edubuntu land
[08:45] <LaserJock> dream of thin clients and not-too-fat CDs
[08:49] <RichEd> jsgotangco: okay ... my head is in the right gear now ... 
[08:51] <RichEd> jsgotangco: I'd like to help with a chat to biunce around some ideas, and let me qualify that by saying *not* with an Ubuntu agenda, but with a general where to start to show some positive impact with your new role.
[08:52] <RichEd> It would need to be a slow sensible chat, when I can have some dedicated time, and not to multi-taks, or get too broad or vague.
[08:53] <RichEd> So, if you would like to send me a rambling email with some background: thoughts, concerns, areas of potential, constraints (political, financial, or other) ...
[08:53] <RichEd> Then if I could read it on the weekend, we could make some time next week for a skype.
[08:54] <RichEd> That's just an offer: No pressure. Take it or leave it. :)
[08:58] <jsgotangco> RichEd: i'll whip one later or tomorrow, since friday is a free time for me, i could do it before the week ends
[09:04] <RichEd> jsgotangco: No rush at all. It's a personal interest for me, and not a job item, but I am willing to jump in.
[09:05] <RichEd> For example, the circumstances around cbx33 and his possible ICT chairman role have had some good resonance with some of the contacts I have been chatting to. And we now have a real troute forward to get a project going.
[09:06] <Burgundavia_> RichEd: ict chairmanship?
[09:06] <RichEd> So, if you and I chat, we may find the same w.r.t. Mindset & Sat-Ed, where we can find a realistic exercise to tackle in bite size chunks. Low on promises and PRO, high in results and delivery.
[09:06] <RichEd> Stuff that makes real-world people confortable & happy.
[09:07] <jsgotangco> ict chairmanship wow
[09:07] <RichEd> Burgundavia: yeah ... cute & paste from above ... looks like you just missed the comment:
[09:07] <RichEd> * Burgwork has quit (Remote closed the connection)
 and another little bit of news - I've been asked to stand for chairman of the Southampton Technical Panel, for school admins/techies - hopefully will put me in a good position for promoting FLOSS
 in talks with RichEd already ;)
[09:08] <RichEd> As a quick expansion, it is a panel of 5 schools ICT admin staff.
[09:08] <RichEd> So recommendations from cbx33 will be across 5 schools, and not just his own.
[09:09] <RichEd> So we are working on him creating a project to "assess the impact of open source and how it could fit into the current environment alongside MS" on the basis that Open Source *will* arrive in schools, just a matter of when.
[09:10] <RichEd> So he tells the panel, that his school will take the lead in an assessment study. He tells his school that the panel supports the idea that his school takes the lead in an assessment study.
[09:11] <RichEd> And bang: it's an official project, sacntioned by the panel, and with an impact on 5 schools IT staff & environments.
[09:11] <RichEd> That's just the concept we thrashed out yesterday.
[09:12] <jsgotangco> brilliant its so evil i love it
[09:14] <RichEd> The bottom line is that people are afraid of open source. If he can do an impact assessment, and conclude that there is none, and hey Edubuntu can share the server file store and authentication, and proxy. Then he says "come and see for yourselves" in my test lab.
[09:15] <jsgotangco> RichEd: on a serious note, we (me and Gina) talked about doing this before, but since im a developer and she's a broadcast professional, we were a bit stumped
[09:15] <jsgotangco> (parallel eval sort of thing)
[09:15] <RichEd> And then they see it live for themselves, and someone says, that actually looks quite a lot like windoze ... (don't shoot me) ... then the thin end of the wedge is in place.
[09:17] <RichEd> Last comment: We have a business experience volunteer in the UK who want to talks to schools management around Open Source (Jon Masters' father) ... so he would be the guest speaker at the demo.
[09:17] <jsgotangco> anyways, the next few weeks would be interesting, my current job focuses on 3 areas in the foundation, but 60% of which is for E Media
[09:18] <RichEd> jsgotangco: I can guarantee you that there is at least one place where Open Source will do a current job better than an existing OS. We just ned to find the spot to put the wedge in.
[09:19] <jsgotangco> there's no question about it, the question is more on how E Media evolves to a technology driven project
[09:20] <RichEd> And we combine the needs as follows: how does eMedia evolve to a technology driven project *priority* and what actual project do you tackle to demonstrate that, with a preference for a projecty that uses an Open Source plaftorm ... with the following important point:
[09:21] <RichEd> You may not want to highlight the FOSS or pay it any attention at all up front. It it the platform you normally use, so you just go ahead and use it. After the eMedia result is demonstrated, then you may choose to say, and by the way, it is running on Ubuntu.
[09:22] <RichEd> A simple fact of life, not a hard sell.
[09:25] <RichEd> jsgotangco: make sense ?
[09:26] <jsgotangco> sure, the solution being FOSS doesnt really sell on marketing terms, i mean if the solution we come up fits as FOSS, we've achieved our target
[09:26] <RichEd> jsgotangco: "anyways, the next few weeks would be interesting, my current job focuses on 3 areas in the foundation, but 60% of which is for E Media" that's the backgound I'd like in the email ... what's on your plate now ... not what's for dessert later.
[09:26] <RichEd> I must get into my email and the wiki pages now ... will be here ... but working :)
[09:27] <jsgotangco> The current stuff in  E Media are on unrestricted DVDs so making them run as is on a computer will work, 
[09:27] <RichEd> TeePOG: ping you still alive ?
[09:31] <TeePOG> RichEd: pong. no, really.... pong... i forgot my roll-on :-(
[09:32] <TeePOG> hehe
[10:31] <cbx33> hey pygi 
[10:32] <pygi> hey cbx33 
[10:32] <cbx33> howz it going
[10:33] <pygi> sleepy ^_^
[10:33] <pygi> what about you?
[10:41] <cbx33> heheh not too bad
[10:41] <cbx33> ping RichEd 
[10:41] <RichEd> 'lo cbx33 
[10:41] <cbx33> news?
[10:42] <RichEd> re: meeting with will ?
[10:43] <RichEd> not seen him around for more than join & disconnect messages with about 2 mins inbetwen the 2
[10:50] <pygi> once again morning :)
[10:52] <TeePOG> morning pygi mate
[10:57] <cbx33> mornin ogra 
[10:59] <TeePOG> morning ogra
[11:00] <ogra> cbx33, i have a working usplash theme here after installing edubuntu-artwork-usplash ... whre des your alternatives link point to ?
[11:00] <ogra> *does
[11:04] <cbx33> I'll just check
[11:05] <ogra> the file is for sure in the package, so the only thing that could be wrong is the alternative ...
[11:05] <ogra> ogra@edubuntu:~$ dpkg -c /var/cache/apt/archives/edubuntu-artwork-usplash_0.1.0-34_i386.deb |grep .so
[11:05] <ogra> -rw-r--r-- root/root   2064992 2006-09-11 18:16 ./usr/lib/usplash/usplash-theme-edubuntu.so
[11:06] <ogra> ...
[11:06] <cbx33> ok I'll check it out now
[11:06] <ogra> ogra@edubuntu:~$ ls -l /etc/alternatives/usplash-artwork.so 
[11:06] <ogra> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 42 2006-09-13 00:56 /etc/alternatives/usplash-artwork.so -> /usr/lib/usplash/usplash-theme-edubuntu.so
[11:06] <ogra> thats how the link should look like
[11:06] <cbx33> ok
[11:06] <cbx33> just checking now
[11:08] <cbx33> yeh alternatives is wrong
[11:08] <cbx33> how do I update properly :S
[11:08] <ogra> where does it point to ? 
[11:09] <ogra> must be a bug in the package ... 
[11:09] <cbx33> could be 
[11:09] <cbx33> tell ya what
[11:09] <ogra> (i set the alternative manually during testing)
[11:09] <cbx33> ahhh
[11:09] <cbx33> if
[11:09] <ogra> so tell me where it points to
[11:09] <cbx33>  /usr/lib/usplash/edubuntu-splash.so
[11:10] <ogra> hmm ... k
[11:10] <ogra> thats the old file
[11:10] <cbx33> and I used to have symlink at that location that pointed back
[11:10] <cbx33> creating a neverending loop
[11:10] <cbx33> circular resolution ;)
[11:10] <ogra> no, thats right
[11:11] <cbx33> so /usr/lib/usplash/edubuntu-usplash.so pointed back to alternatives ?
[11:11] <ogra> thats how alternatives should work ... ubuntu-splash.so should point to /etc/alternatives  ...
[11:11] <cbx33> oh ok
[11:11] <cbx33> i see
[11:11] <ogra> and /etc/alternatives should then point to edubuntu-splash.so
[11:11] <cbx33> what about if I remove all the alternatives etc
[11:11] <cbx33> and then try reinstalling the packge
[11:11] <ogra> no, dont touch it
[11:11] <cbx33> ok
[11:11] <ogra> youre my testcase ;)
[11:12] <ogra> (me tried to avoid the word guineapig :))
[11:12] <ogra> i need a system where its broen to fix it ;)
[11:12] <ogra> *broken ...
[11:12] <cbx33> ogra: but I'm not sure it is broken
[11:12] <cbx33> ogra: but I'm not sure it is broken
[11:12] <ogra> hmm, easiest would probably be to just rename the .so ...
[11:13] <cbx33> I edited a symlink in the /usr/lib/usplash
[11:13] <ogra> well, you said you dont see the splash
[11:13] <cbx33> no I don;t
[11:13] <cbx33> but it could have been my fault
[11:13] <ogra> right
[11:13] <ogra> hmm
[11:13] <cbx33> I didn't touch /etc/alternatives
[11:13] <cbx33> but i did touch the one in /uer/lib/usplash
[11:14] <cbx33> what do you suggest?
[11:14] <ogra> what did you do with it ? 
[11:15] <ogra> sadly the installer is still broken, else i could test with a CD ...
[11:15] <cbx33> made it point to the .so in that folder
[11:15] <ogra> no, thats wrong indeed
[11:15] <cbx33> I know that now
[11:16] <cbx33> Seveas: and I had a discussion and I must have gotten it wrong
[11:17] <cbx33> but he said that circular resolution should happen
[11:17] <cbx33> that's what threw me
[11:17] <cbx33> ogra: i can reinstall with a knot 2 cd
[11:18] <ogra> well, its not really circular 
[11:18] <ogra> that would help a lot
[11:18] <cbx33> two symlinks pointed directly to each other
[11:18] <cbx33> ogra: np dude
[11:18] <cbx33> I'll reinstall now
[11:18] <cbx33> and test
[11:18] <ogra> i have no knot2 around anymore ... only broken knot3's
[11:18] <pygi> cbx33, you coming to UDS? :)
[11:18] <cbx33> does desktop install faster than alternative?
[11:19] <ogra> depends 
[11:19] <ogra> .. totally on your CD speed 
[11:19] <cbx33> it's ok
[11:20] <ogra> but a workstation install would suffice
[11:21] <pygi> cbx33, poke, you alive? :)
[11:24] <cbx33> pygi: yup I'm here
[11:24] <cbx33> I'm goign to try to get to UDS
[11:24] <pygi> nice cbx33 :)
[11:24] <jsgotangco> too bad i dont see myself going this time around :/
[11:25] <cbx33> I heard you're pretty busy
[11:25] <jsgotangco> should be big when it hits
[11:25] <jsgotangco> solidifies the project ;)
[11:25] <cbx33> excellent
[11:26] <cbx33> I'm hoping this panel chair position will give me some more opportunities
[11:27] <jsgotangco> being involved in a free software / operating system wasn't enough????
[11:27] <jsgotangco> :D
[11:27] <cbx33> heh
[11:28] <cbx33> it's a position for chairman of an ICT panel in our city
[11:28] <cbx33> I can advise schools ;)
[11:28] <pygi> cbx33, once again I won't be probably :P
[11:28] <cbx33> pygi: that sux :(
[11:31] <pygi> cbx33, ah well :)
[11:36] <pygi> why is wiki so slow :P
[11:41] <cbx33> wiki is always slow
[11:44] <pygi> cbx33, ah, thats true :-/
[11:47] <cbx33> ogra: is the ltsp build chroot progress indicator getting an upgrade ?
[11:47] <ogra> nope
[11:48] <ogra> sadly i didnt manage to get that done this time ...
[11:48] <ogra> (to many other changes)
[11:48] <cbx33> ok
[11:48] <cbx33> just enquiring
[11:48] <pygi> ogra, let's hope I can get my keys signed at least on Hungarian conf., so could help you a bit with MOTU-ing
[11:48] <pygi> this way is very bad :-/
[11:48] <ogra> that'd be cool :)
[11:49] <cbx33> I'll be applying for MOTU at next opportunity ;)
[11:49] <ogra> yeah, finding a sponsor for every upload is annoying
[11:49] <pygi> cbx33, and you'll be accepted :)
[11:49] <pygi> ogra, I wrote something for UDS also:
[11:49] <pygi> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperSummitMountainView/Sponsorship?action=subscribe
[11:49] <pygi> ergh :P
[11:49] <pygi> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperSummitMountainView/Sponsorship
[11:50] <pygi> I'm all the way down ^_^
[11:50] <cbx33> pygi: I don;t know if I'll be accepted...LaserJock had some good points
[11:50] <cbx33> heh ;)
[11:50] <pygi> cbx33, what good points? :)
[11:50] <cbx33> the fact that I havn't actually done huge amounts of pacakging
[11:50] <ogra> pygi, yeah, i see you :)
[11:51] <cbx33> just that I need upload rights a lot of the time
[11:51] <pygi> ogra, that stuff any good that I weitten? :)
[11:51] <ogra> sure
[11:51] <pygi> cbx33, ok, lets do more packaging, you willing? :)
[11:51] <ogra> you list a lot :)
[11:51] <pygi> ogra, I can list even more, but decided I'll stop not to crash wiki:)
[11:52] <ogra> heh
[11:52] <cbx33> pygi: you done tonnes.....on that wiki page ;)
[11:52] <cbx33> pygi: sure we can do more packaging hehehe
[11:52] <pygi> cbx33, ok, tommorow is the day when we start packaging more
[11:52] <cbx33> heh
[11:52] <pygi> we can get at least 10 new packages by the time you need to be accepted :)
[11:53] <cbx33> I'm not that good
[11:53] <cbx33> that's like one a day
[11:53] <pygi> cbx33, that's why I'll be helping :P
[11:53] <cbx33> you're great pygi 
[11:54] <pygi> heh
[11:54] <pygi> cbx33, and btw. you've done more then I did ;) /comment on your above statement/
[11:55] <cbx33> *bah* - trouble with me is I do loads of little bits that I forget about
[11:55] <cbx33> heh
[11:59] <ogra> hmm, we have a lot of space on the CDs ...
[11:59] <cbx33> 0.o
[11:59] <cbx33> where di all the space some from?
[11:59] <ogra> i dropped the linux-headers packages and gcc ...
[11:59] <ogra> gcc needs to come back ...
[11:59] <cbx33> ahhhh
[12:00] <ogra> but the headers arent urgently needed imho
[12:00] <ogra> we have ~20M 
[12:00] <cbx33> wow
[12:00] <ogra> gcc will take 8 i think
[12:00] <cbx33> that's still 12
[12:00] <ogra> so we still have some spare space
[12:00] <ogra> well, dont forget the langpacks
[12:00] <ogra> currently there is only en
[12:01] <cbx33> ahhh
[12:01] <cbx33> what did we have on the last cd ?
[12:01] <ogra> but even with adding two or three langs we'll be able to add ephy
[12:01] <cbx33> when is the meeting today
[12:01] <cbx33> ?
[12:01] <cbx33> I'm working on the minutes
[12:01] <cbx33> I'll have them done soon :(
[12:01] <ogra> 20:00 UTC
[12:02] <jsgotangco> crap ill try to attend
[12:05] <pygi> ogra, if we have space, epiphany is good go I think
[12:06] <vinze> highvoltage?
[12:07] <highvoltage> yes?
[12:08] <vinze> Jani of Xubuntu has asked for volunteers to run the Xubuntu website
[12:08] <vinze> Me and someone else have volunteered but we cannot do anything right now 
[12:08] <vinze> Jani said we had to contact you
[12:10] <highvoltage> vinze: ah, yes
[12:13] <ogra> oh shit ...
[12:15] <cbx33> ogra: that's not like you
[12:15] <cbx33> what's up
[12:15] <ogra> we have the first easyubuntu user in edubuntu :/
[12:15] <cbx33> my machine is still installing
[12:15] <cbx33> ogra: ??
[12:15] <pygi> ogra, o joy, where, what?!
[12:15] <ogra> on the ML
[12:15] <cbx33> ah1
[12:15] <cbx33> heh
[12:15] <pygi> o joy, really
[12:26] <cbx33> ogra: still installing ;)
[12:37] <cbx33> ogra: upgrading
[12:37] <cbx33> I'll let you know if it works soon
[12:37] <cbx33> 291Mb to download
[12:52] <ogra> cbx33, stop
[12:53] <ogra> i'm uploading the artwork packages to people atm... just use these two
[01:02] <ogra> cbx33, just grab the -35 packages from http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/
[01:08] <RichEd> !seen willvdl
[01:08] <ubotu> I last saw willvdl (n=willvdl@vc-196-207-37-219.3g.vodacom.co.za) 19h 40m 58s ago, quiting: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
[01:18] <cbx33> well ogra it's already doing it now ;)
[01:20] <cbx33> plkus Ineed an up to date version anyway
[01:23] <cbx33> ogra: pacakge is still broken
[01:24] <cbx33> yikes that's a bad bug
[01:24] <cbx33> if I switch to a VTT it screws my display
[01:28] <ogra> cbx33, did you test the fixed package i asked you for ? 
[01:28] <cbx33> just getting them now
[01:28] <ogra> if you have the broken one i'm not sure thats easily fixable
[01:28] <cbx33> shoud I apt-get remove the other ones?
[01:29] <ogra> thats why i asked you to stop the upgrade and uses these instead
[01:29] <ogra> no
[01:29] <cbx33> ah...
[01:29] <ogra> wont help the alternative
[01:29] <cbx33> I'll reinstall.....
[01:29] <cbx33> only took 2 hours
[01:29] <ogra> please test them first
[01:29] <pygi> cbx33, 2 hours to install? that's so weird :-/
[01:29] <cbx33> ok
[01:29] <cbx33> yeh
[01:30] <ogra> pygi, for a knot2 install with all upgrades ? 
[01:30] <pygi> ogra, yes, it's still weird :P
[01:32] <cbx33> ogra: it works
[01:32] <cbx33> but there is a bug in X or something
[01:32] <cbx33> when ever X drops to a vtt, I get flashing display
[01:33] <cbx33> brb
[01:33] <cbx33> i have the new usplash
[01:33] <cbx33> brb
[01:33] <ogra> ok
[01:34] <ogra> cbx33, so there were no errors in either of the two package during installing them ? 
[03:01] <cbx33> ogra: doesnt seem to be
[03:01] <ogra> great
[03:01] <ogra> i uploaded with the higher grade as default wallpaper and the new gnome-splash as well 
[03:02] <jsgotangco> hey guys
[03:02] <ogra> so we'll need gdm and ldm done and i need to do a bunch of theme structure changes (gnome themes support default wallpapers now)
[03:06] <ogra> RichEd, do you have any dates for the edulinux thing in poland ? 
[03:39] <RichEd> no dates confirmed ogra ... they are waiting for a response from Minerva ...
[03:41] <willvdl> ping high,
[03:41] <willvdl> highvoltage, ping rather
[03:41] <highvoltage> willvdl: pong
[03:43] <willvdl> erm, seeing a pvt window?
[03:43] <highvoltage> yep
[03:44] <highvoltage> willvdl: I'm identified, I'm sure you should be able to read my messages?
[03:44] <willvdl> yip
[03:51] <Petaris> Hi Yagisan
[03:51] <Yagisan> G'day Petaris 
[03:52] <Petaris> Anyone know of a good music notation program for kids that will run well on ltsp?
[03:52] <Petaris> a drag and drop interface and the ability to play the notes back is important aswell
[04:02] <Yagisan> I can't think of any off the top of my head.
[04:03] <Petaris> hrm
[04:04] <Petaris> We have a win software that does it but it doesn't work well on linux
[04:15] <RichEd> Damn adsl resets :(
[04:15] <RichEd> ogra: did you reply to my no dates confirmed ?
[04:15] <RichEd> ogra: when do you leave for the hack-fest ?
[04:16] <ogra> tomorrow  ~6
[04:16] <cbx33> ogra: hi
[04:17] <willvdl> RichEd, seems Telkom is also experiencing problems
[04:18] <cbx33> ogra: usplash = broken system :(
[04:18] <cbx33> you know that black screen I told you about
[04:18] <ogra> cbx33, with the -35 package ? 
[04:19] <cbx33> yes
[04:19] <cbx33> I got the shutdown one
[04:19] <cbx33> once I had upgraded
[04:19] <ogra> damned 
[04:19] <ogra> i wont be able to fix that anymore
[04:19] <cbx33> but now it's broken
[04:19] <ogra> and the CD just explodes to 60MB oversizedness
[04:19] <cbx33> sorry ogra, I was teaching...
[04:20] <ogra> so no knot3 then :(
[04:20] <cbx33> damn it
[04:21] <cbx33> how the heck did you get it working
[04:21] <cbx33> must be an error in usplash-dev
[04:21] <ogra> it works just fine here 
[04:22] <ogra> in ltsp as well as on the laptop
[04:22] <cbx33> hmm
[04:22] <ogra> but thats not my problem now
[04:22] <cbx33> did you buikld with the current usplash-dev
[04:22] <ogra> need to care for other stuff and ne
[04:22] <RichEd> willvdl: it's the usual once every 24 hour resets ... sometimes it comes back up clean, sometimes the DNS servers are unavailable for 3-4 minutes and it screws things up. mail recovers well, Xtalk needs a forced reconnect.
[04:22] <ogra> ed to pack my bags
[04:22] <cbx33> sorry ogra 
[04:23] <RichEd> Sometmes I don't even notice a thing .. other days it's a b!tch
[04:23] <cbx33> when I had the shutdown one I wrongly assumed it work...then the bell went and I had to go teach
[04:24] <ogra> and that was a plain install without -34 inbetween at any time ? 
[04:24] <cbx33> no
[04:24] <cbx33> that was with the 34 install
[04:24] <cbx33> I shall try again without the 34 install
[04:24] <cbx33> a little later
[04:24] <ogra> thats what i asked you for ...
[04:24] <cbx33> my laptop is gonna die ;)
[04:24] <cbx33> I know but remember when you said stop, I had already upgraded
[04:24] <ogra> only test the -35 packages from people
[04:25] <cbx33> and you said test it anyway
[04:25] <ogra> they should as well fix it for you
[04:25] <ogra> its odd that they didnt
[04:25] <cbx33> well, they didn;t fix it
[04:25] <cbx33> but I will try just the 35's later on
[04:25] <cbx33> I'm sorry I screwed it up
[04:25] <ogra> where does the alternative point to now ? 
[04:25] <cbx33> hmmm just checking
[04:26] <ogra> it should just connect ubuntu-splash.so with edubuntu-splash.so again
[04:26] <cbx33> ok I'll check
[04:26] <cbx33> am just loggin into gnome
[04:26] <ogra> i reverted that silly renaming ... no idea why that was done in ubuntu
[04:27] <cbx33> it points to the right place
[04:27] <ogra> ok
[04:27] <ogra> and the file is also there ?
[04:27] <pygi> highvolt1ge, !!!
[04:28] <cbx33> yup it's there
[04:28] <cbx33>  /usr/lib/usplash/edubuntu-splash/so
[04:28] <cbx33>  /usr/lib/usplash/edubuntu-splash.so
[04:28] <ogra>  /so ?
[04:28] <ogra> ah
[04:28] <ogra> ok, then it should be fine 
[04:28] <ogra> try running update-initramfs -u again 
[04:28] <cbx33> ok
[04:28] <cbx33> am doing
[04:29] <cbx33> maybe it's this laptop doesn't like....no that doesn't make sense
[04:29] <cbx33> I have had usplash on here before
[04:29] <cbx33> maybe one of the dev updates broke it on this laptop
[04:29] <ogra> dev updates ? 
[04:29] <cbx33> usplash-dev
[04:29] <ogra> that shouldnt be installed on a fresh install
[04:30] <cbx33> ogra: nope that didnt fix
[04:30] <cbx33> i'll try jus the fresh install with your updates later
[04:30] <cbx33> and I'll mail you results
[04:30] <cbx33> you be around for the meeting
[04:31] <ogra> no idea yet
[04:31] <ogra> i'm hours behind with my stuff
[04:33] <juliux> hi all
[04:33] <cbx33> sorry dude
[04:33] <pygi> ogra, any chance I can help with something?
[04:34] <ogra> unliekely
[04:34] <ogra> you could get me some time machine :)
[04:35] <ogra> my prob is that i had no opportunity to test anything yet due to general installer breakages 
[04:35] <ogra> now we are 60M oversized
[04:35] <ogra> (suddenly)
[04:36] <pygi> ogra, I thought we had extra space this morning :-/
[04:36] <jsgotangco> ugghhhhhh
[04:36] <ogra> that means i wont have a new CD before 18-19 UTC
[04:36] <pygi> damn
[04:36] <ogra> i havent packed my bags for next week yet, and i fly out tomorrow very early 
[04:36] <jsgotangco> are you having a holiday?
[04:36] <ogra> and wont be able to work on the CDs before friday again 
[04:36] <ogra> no
[04:37] <ogra> jsgotangco, i'm flying to a ltsp sprint 
[04:37] <jsgotangco> pygi: ive said that to myself since january 2005
[04:37] <jsgotangco> gahhh
[04:37] <ogra> unfortunately i missed that we have knot3 planned for tomorrow
[04:37] <jsgotangco> yeah
[04:37] <pygi> jsgotangco, my problem is that there is no way I can get my gpg keys signed before hungarian conf. :-/
[04:38] <pygi> The packaging stuff is really not a problem
[04:38] <ogra> pygi, unfortunately in this situation nobody can help me, not even a motu ... it needs to be a main guy who is familiar with seeds, metapackages and CD building
[04:39] <pygi> ogra, perhaps, but this wouldn't happen if you didn't have to bother with other stuff
[04:39] <ogra> i dint bother with any universe stuff this time ...
[04:40] <ogra> 90% of my work in edgy was ltsp
[04:40] <ogra> and 8% CD building and probably 2% artwork, SCP, willowng
[04:41] <jsgotangco> its just bad timing
[04:41] <ogra> yes
[04:41] <ogra> if i had the next 24h to sort everything it would be fine 
[04:41] <pygi> ogra, hopefully we'll be able to merge me in into that ltsp stuff someday somehow ^_^
[04:41] <ogra> if something avoids that ubuntu releases tomorrow and it gets postponed to friday, we still have a chance
[04:42] <pygi> ogra, can't we by any chance request postponing?
[04:42] <ogra> no
[04:42] <pygi> aha,ok
[04:42] <ogra> my prob is that i couldnt test anything yet .. 
[04:43] <ogra> so even if the installer works again, i dont know how ltsp will behave, if something from edubuntu-desktop or -server is broken ...
[04:43] <ogra> every fix for them takes several hours until we can have a new CD to test
[04:44] <ogra> i.e. a meta fix would mean to update the seeds ... then wait 30 min until the change is on LP then build a new meta ... upload that, wait 2h until thats built ... 
[04:45] <ogra> then build CDs, download/rsync them and start testing 
[04:45] <ogra> so thats ~3-4h for every small fix
[04:45] <ogra> its not a timing issue as jsgotangco said, but rather a speed issue with the infrastructure 
[04:45] <jsgotangco> it does take a while for them to build considering wee building to 3 architectures at least
[04:46] <ogra> i think for edgy+1 i'll set up my own CD build environment so i can buold/fix until everything is fine and then onyl use LP for the last bit
[04:47] <ogra> but thats indeed not the prupose of LP
[04:47] <pygi> ogra, post-edgy we'll have to talk a bit ... you'll have to inform me bit more so I can help you hacking LTSP
[04:48] <pygi> best would be if we could discuss it on conf. along with that burning devices support on thin clients
[04:48] <ogra> yep
[04:48] <ogra> did you list that on the sponsoring table ?
[04:49] <pygi> ogra, I haven't listed burning support on thin clients, no
[04:49] <pygi> I can do so ^-^
[04:49] <ogra> do it, then i can refer to it ;)
[04:51] <pygi> ogra, under interests, right? I cant put it under affliances yet :P
[04:51] <ogra> sure
[04:52] <ogra> who else should do it apart from you :)
[04:52] <pygi> ogra, you & sbalnev (or whatever) :P
[04:52] <pygi> I don't think on implementing it on my own ^_^
[04:53] <ogra> pfft, we dont know the code as good as you
[04:53] <pygi> ogra, I don't know iscsi not a bit :P
[04:53] <pygi> I don't know iscsi not even a bit*
[04:53] <jsgotangco> later guys
[04:54] <pygi> later jsgotangco :)
[04:54] <jsgotangco> enjoy your wednesday while it lasts
[04:54] <jsgotangco> ;)
[04:54] <pygi> ogra, and I'm willing to give instructions ^_^
[04:55] <IceGuest_5> hi all
[04:55] <IceGuest_5> anyone here knows where I can go for mac support
[04:56] <ogra> with edubuntu ? 
[04:56] <ogra> or general ubuntu ? 
[04:56] <IceGuest_5> ubuntu
[04:56] <ogra> in #ubuntu then
[04:56] <IceGuest_5> I setup ubuntu on a Ibook
[04:57] <IceGuest_5> aand I am having a problem logining
[04:57] <IceGuest_5> login in 
[04:58] <IceGuest_5> something about bonobo-activation -server
[04:58] <IceGuest_5> and the date is old on the laptop
[04:58] <ogra> right, thats a known bug, set the clock right ...
[04:58] <IceGuest_5> I was just in ubuntu
[04:58] <IceGuest_5> how do I do that
[04:58] <IceGuest_5> for the clock
[05:06] <pygi> ogra, o btw., we must have specs for discussion there before the summit, right? 
[05:11] <ogra> pygi, there is plenty of time between release and the conf to add empty specs 
[05:12] <pygi> ogra, aha, ok, thanks
[05:12] <ogra> we should have an empty spec that roughly outlines what should happen with it
[05:12] <ogra> the details will be discussed at he BOF
[05:12] <pygi> ok, that shouldn't be too hard then
[05:19] <TeePOG> evening
[05:20] <STORMCHAS3R> TeePOG, morning
[05:21] <TeePOG> hi STORMCHAS3R
[05:21] <STORMCHAS3R> wassssusp
[05:21] <TeePOG> can anyone please tell me what the command is to choose which desktop manager runs over ltsp?
[05:21] <TeePOG> not much STORMCHAS3R, you?
[05:22] <STORMCHAS3R> same ol,   just trying to learn about edubuntu and ltsp
[05:22] <STORMCHAS3R> brb,  teachers a whining about microsoft problems
[05:22] <TeePOG> yah, me too... it's really good, when it's a happy installation
[05:22] <TeePOG> sure
[05:23] <ogra> TeePOG, sudo dpkg-reconfigure x-session-manager
[05:23] <ogra> edgy will fix that, it already has a session selector in the login manager
[05:23] <TeePOG> thanks ogra
[05:24] <STORMCHAS3R> TeePOG, ouch
[05:24] <TeePOG> btw ogra... is edgy stable enough for a server yet?
[05:24] <ogra> STORMCHAS3R, there is one ... feel free to particiapte ... pygi leads it
[05:24] <STORMCHAS3R> ogra, on the edubuntu site?
[05:24] <ogra> TeePOG, well, it stil has bugs ... but for testing and personal usage its fine 
[05:24] <STORMCHAS3R> nice
[05:25] <ogra> dont use it in proiduction environments yet
[05:25] <STORMCHAS3R> cookbook ogra ?
[05:25] <pips1> ogra: does the ubuntu distro build system have a name?
[05:25] <TeePOG> thanks ogra
[05:25] <ogra> i'll be on a ltsp hackfest in detroit the next 5 days where i hope to fix the remaining bugs 
[05:25] <ogra> pips1, launchpad
[05:26] <pips1> ta
[05:26] <TeePOG> btw ogra: has anyone gotten sound working in dapper yet? some update or fix?
[05:26] <pygi> STORMCHAS3R, if you are willing, please say so ^_^ It was called edubuntu cookbook for dapper, yes...now we call it Edubuntu Handbook ^_^
[05:26] <ogra> STORMCHAS3R, yes
[05:26] <pygi> TeePOG, you are also willing to help :)
[05:26] <pygi> you are also welcome to help*
[05:26] <ogra> TeePOG, doesnt it work for you ? 
[05:26] <STORMCHAS3R> pygi, willing to?
[05:26] <TeePOG> pygi: as soon as i've slept... plus i'm moving house tomorrow
[05:26] <ogra> you need to set SOUND=True in lts.conf
[05:26] <pygi> TeePOG, no worries :)
[05:27] <pygi> STORMCHAS3R, to help writing book ^_^
[05:27] <TeePOG> no ogra... i tried in gnome and KDE... and this was local on the server, not over ltsp
[05:27] <STORMCHAS3R> I would love to help
[05:27] <STORMCHAS3R> who do i need to talk to ?
[05:27] <ogra> TeePOG, then its an alsa bug in ubuntu  ... 
[05:27] <pygi> STORMCHAS3R, oki, feel free to mail me (mario dot danic at gmail dot com) and tell me what are you familiar with, and what are you interested in writing about
[05:27] <pygi> STORMCHAS3R, to me :)
[05:27] <TeePOG> STORMCHAS3R: create a launchpad account
[05:27] <ogra> in ltsp it should work right away with the SOUND=True
[05:28] <STORMCHAS3R> great
[05:28] <pips1> ogra: is there a "canonical" ;-) unit testing framework used for ubuntu-specific apps?
[05:28] <pygi> STORMCHAS3R, so mail with above info pls ^_^
[05:28] <pygi> STORMCHAS3R, then you'll get assignments, we're short on time ;)
[05:28] <ogra> pips1, not that i know of, but sfllaw would be the better person to ask (he's QA)
[05:29] <pips1> ta2
[05:29] <TeePOG> ogra: should i use a different sound server then?
[05:29] <STORMCHAS3R> great
[05:29] <STORMCHAS3R> sending shortly
[05:29] <ogra> TeePOG, on a normal desktop gstreamer is used in gnome ... dunno what kde uses ... in ltsp esd is used
[05:30] <pygi> STORMCHAS3R, thanks :)
[05:30] <ogra> gstreamer writes directly to alsa afaik
[05:30] <TeePOG> nm ogra, sound is not essential... it would be nice thugh
[05:30] <TeePOG> what about arts?
[05:30] <ogra> well, it should work out of the box
[05:30] <ogra> at least on a standard workstation 
[05:31] <ogra> arts is likely what kde uses
[05:31] <TeePOG> well, whatever it is, it's not working on my kubuntu-desktop OR my default edubuntu-desktop
[05:32] <ogra> wait until crimsun gets here again .. he's the alsa guy
[05:32] <TeePOG> i'll rather return another day... waayyyy too tired
[05:33] <STORMCHAS3R> pygi, mario sent
[05:34] <pygi> STORMCHAS3R, thanks, will hopefully read it today
[05:34] <TeePOG> oh ffs... "/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: x-session-manager is not installed"
[05:34] <TeePOG> what? i just used it yesterday
[05:34] <ogra> that cant be
[05:34] <TeePOG> so say i
[05:34] <ogra> err
[05:34] <ogra> sorry, my fault
[05:35] <TeePOG> must it be run from local server? i'm on an ltsp host atm
[05:35] <ogra> update-alternatives --config x-session-manager
[05:35] <ogra> i always mix that up
[05:35] <TeePOG> ahhhhh ok
[05:35] <TeePOG> no worries
[05:35] <ogra> and i havent slept much more than you :)
[05:35] <TeePOG> we're getting old before or time
[05:35] <ogra> well ..
[05:35] <ogra> i'm already old :)
[05:38] <Laser_away> ogra: thanks :-)
[05:38] <ogra> welcome :)
[05:53] <STORMCHAS3R> im sure this is a odd ?, but does anything need to be installed on the thin-client for it to boot to the lts?
[05:54] <ogra> nope
[05:54] <ogra> it boots via net from the server 
[05:54] <ogra> but it needs to be PXE capable
[05:55] <STORMCHAS3R> rgr, so it pulls dhcp from the lts, and boots from a PXE net card
[05:55] <ogra> PXE pulls the ip and info where to get its kernel from dhcp
[05:56] <STORMCHAS3R> sweet, i am in the process of setting this up to test out
[06:05] <RichEd> cbx33: willvdl and I spoke on the phone earlier. He is up to speed with what needs to be done, and understands the requirement. We can try to meet tomorrow to set up a schedule.
[06:07] <bddebian> Howdy
[06:08] <pygi> howdy bddebian :)
[06:08] <bddebian> Hi pygi
[06:08] <pygi> how's you?
[06:09] <bddebian> OK, thanks. You?
[06:11] <pygi> good, thanks
[06:11] <pygi> kinda busy as always
[06:34] <cbx33> RichEd ok
[06:35] <mhz> hi all
[06:39] <bddebian> Hello mhz
[06:40] <mhz> bddebian: hi
[06:40] <cbx33> ogra just gonna start the reformat now ;)
[06:40] <cbx33> then I'll grab those packages and upgrade ;)
[06:46] <Burgwork> somebody pinged me?
[07:00] <STORMCHAS3R> Ok, if a P3 does not have a PXE net card in there, what are the other choices?  Install a new PXE able net card, or?
[07:07] <ogra> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPBootingClientsWithoutPxe
[07:08] <STORMCHAS3R> ty ogra 
[07:13] <STORMCHAS3R> I read the tuxlabs cookbook, and I am curious how one achieves the wizzy server?
[07:19] <highvoltage> STORMCHAS3R: it's a seperate box
[07:19] <LaserJock> ogra: does the latest saybayon fix bug #38410
[07:19] <highvoltage> STORMCHAS3R: you can get the iso at http://www.wizzy.org.za
[07:21] <STORMCHAS3R> highvoltage, ty
[07:24] <LaserJock> did tuxpaint recently get promoted to main?
[07:25] <highvoltage> I think it's been in there since breezy :)
[07:25] <STORMCHAS3R> ty
[07:25] <highvoltage> (or at least, I think it has since it's been in edubuntu since then)
[07:25] <highvoltage> LaserJock: how are you doing?
[07:25] <LaserJock> there is a tuxpaint bug assigned to MOTU
[07:26] <LaserJock> which I thought was odd since it's a Main package
[07:26] <LaserJock> highvoltage: oh, fine
[07:26] <highvoltage> probably a mistake someone made
[07:26] <LaserJock> highvoltage: got edubuntu-menus uploaded at least
[07:26] <highvoltage> people are used to all the cool stuff being in universe ;)
[07:26] <LaserJock> mhm
[07:26] <highvoltage> oh nice
[07:28] <highvoltage> I wish I had more time this weekto play with it, I think I'll only have some space to breath again Sunday
[07:28] <highvoltage> our team has doubled in size the last two months and still we can't keep up :)
[07:28] <EmxBA> hi folks ;)
[07:29] <highvoltage> hi Em	
[07:29] <LaserJock> highvoltage: yeah, I was wondering if you'd be able to make the next dev summit with all the work you are doing
[07:29] <highvoltage> hi EmxBA, how are things your side of the world?
[07:29] <highvoltage> LaserJock: I won't :(
[07:30] <highvoltage> I don't know how much time I'll be able to commit to ubuntu besides doing work on our tuxlab derivative
[07:30] <EmxBA> highvoltage: uh, let me write it....
[07:30] <highvoltage> so it wouldn't be right of me to attend
[07:30] <highvoltage> I hope that I get time sorted out next year
[07:30] <EmxBA> pygi: :) hello ;)
[07:31] <highvoltage> the last 3 years have been very strange 
[07:31] <EmxBA> ubuntu-hr.org is cool ;) btw, how do you got it hosted in africa? :) i want to make ubuntu-bs.org 
[07:31] <highvoltage> EmxBA: bs?
[07:31] <EmxBA> bosnia, highvoltage
[07:31] <pygi> hello highvoltage, E
[07:31] <pygi> EmxBA*
[07:31] <EmxBA> highvoltage: uh, school started few weeks ago ;) and I'm curently translating Ubuntu Guide 
[07:32] <LaserJock> highvoltage: we'll miss you for sure, but I understand
[07:33] <highvoltage> LaserJock: I'm glad to hear that. I thought that some might have some resentment toward me for not being as involved as I say I would
[07:33] <EmxBA> pygi: do you contribute to ubuntu-hr.org?
[07:33] <highvoltage> I'm kind of over that though, I know that I'd be able to get back into it within the next six months, I'll do whatever it takes
[07:34] <pygi>  EmxBA, yes, one of its founders
[07:34] <pygi> highvoltage, whats wrong with ubuntu-hr?
[07:34] <LaserJock> highvoltage: no resentment for sure, I think everybody knows how it goes. I've got a few projects I'm working on myself
[07:36] <pygi> highvoltage, whats happening?!
[07:38] <EmxBA> pygi: ...
[07:38] <EmxBA> who i need to talk to about ubuntu-bs?
[07:41] <highvoltage> pygi: nothing's wgong with it :)
[07:41] <highvoltage> LaserJock: cool
[07:42] <highvoltage> EmxBA: I suppose you want to start a loco team around it too? perhaps you should speak to community council then
[07:47] <EmxBA> highvoltage: there isubuntu-l10n-bs on launchpad....
[07:48] <EmxBA> ...but i think that we should do the same thing like ubuntu-hr, open ubuntu-bs.org which would be hosted in island of man and there would also be a repository, highvoltage
[07:50] <ogra> LaserJock, we still dont have default profiles ...
[07:50] <LaserJock> grrr
[07:50] <LaserJock> that really is a weird thing
[07:50] <LaserJock> could we just ship a default profile?
[07:51] <LaserJock> is that enough? or do we need code?
[07:52] <ogra> users need to be added to the default profile :/
[07:53] <cbx33> hi ogra
[07:53] <cbx33> just about to test uspalsh
[07:53] <LaserJock> ogra: yucky :(
[07:54] <ogra> cbx33, fine, but as i said its to late to change it anyway
[07:54] <ogra> i'm just building the last CD i can today
[07:55] <cbx33> yes i know
[07:55] <EmxBA> ey
[07:55] <EmxBA> i have a question ;)
[07:55] <ogra> (andp pray that its below 700 meg)
[07:56] <EmxBA> i'm upgrading my ubuntu every day, so that means i don't have to install edgy when it's released?
[07:56] <cbx33> ogra where did the extra come from
[07:56] <ogra> fonts
[07:56] <cbx33> :(
[07:57] <ogra> they slipped in during the merge of the new recommends handling
[07:57] <ogra> but i'm not sure i dropped enough
[08:00] <STORMCHAS3R> in the /etc/dhcpd/dhcpd.conf, i am not sure what to edit for the dhcp server
[08:00] <ogra> see the gettingstarted doc from the channel topic
[08:01] <ogra> ok, everybody cross your fingers ... CD build is done ... waiting for the publisher
[08:01] <ogra> YA
[08:01] <ogra> Y
[08:01] <ogra> edgy-install-i386.iso          13-Sep-2006 18:54  698M 
[08:01] <ogra> PHEW !
[08:01] <LaserJock> \o/
[08:01] <ogra> TESTING !!!
[08:04] <cbx33> ogra uspalsh didn't work
[08:04] <cbx33> i'l download and test the new one now
[08:06] <cbx33> ogra i did a fresh install - and applied those debs
[08:06] <cbx33> but t still didn't work
[08:07] <cbx33> brb - berooting 
[08:11] <cbx33> ogra, getting cd now ;)
[08:12] <cbx33> ah....it feels good to be back on ubuntu
[08:39] <STORMCHAS3R> I can boot to the ltsp and get the "edubuntu" login screen, but after i log in, it brings me back to the login screen,  not sure what the ish is?
[08:50] <Srecko> yo
[08:50] <Srecko> I have question
[08:50] <Srecko> does edubuntu teach you how to use linux itself too?
[08:50] <EmxBA> Srecko: i can help you on croatian ;)
[08:50] <Srecko> whoa
[08:51] <EmxBA> Srecko: no , you must learn, Edubuntu doesn't come with howtos for compiling/surfing/editing/configuring and etc...what do you mean exactly? usage in schools?
[08:51] <LaserJock> Srecko: not in the sense of having programs to teach you linux, but you will certainly learn linux by using it
[08:51] <Srecko> ok
[08:51] <Srecko> I thought so
[08:52] <Srecko> But is it easier to start with it than with ubuntu or kubuntu?
[08:52] <LaserJock> not really
[08:52] <LaserJock> they are all about the same
[08:52] <LaserJock> "learning linux" is a pretty vague term too
[08:52] <EmxBA> Srecko: edubuntu is better if you are stundet 
[08:52] <Srecko> as a student, will I have any reasons to use it instead of (k)ubuntu
[08:52] <Srecko> ok, cool
[08:53] <EmxBA> Srecko: yap ;)
[08:53] <Srecko> why? :D
[08:53] <EmxBA> Srecko: i can help you on croatian if you want ;) really
[08:53] <Srecko> nah
[08:53] <Srecko> it's the same either way ;)
[08:53] <pygi> Srecko, you again :PPP
[08:53] <LaserJock> Srecko: well, what are you a student of and at what level?
[08:53] <pygi> Srecko, prestani gnjaviti ljude molio bih :)
[08:53] <EmxBA> :) pygi
[08:53] <pygi> LaserJock, he's not student :)
[08:53] <Srecko> nikog ja ne gnjavim
[08:53] <EmxBA> Srecko: i bosanca i hrvata nadje na #edubuntu :)
[08:54] <pygi> this is english channel, pls :)
[08:54] <Srecko> gnjavljenje  =  pitanje: "Kakav burek volis"
[08:54] <LaserJock> so it's a Croatian takeover of #edubuntu :-)
[08:54] <Srecko> stoga...
[08:54] <EmxBA> pygi: ok ;)
[08:54] <Srecko> hehee
[08:54] <EmxBA> LaserJock: :)
[08:54] <pygi> Srecko, english pls, thank you
[08:54] <Srecko> kk
[08:54] <pygi> LaserJock, EmxBA is from Bosnia
[08:54] <EmxBA> BA stands for Bosnia, pygi ;)
[08:55] <EmxBA> pygi: oh, i've asked you about ubuntu-hr.org and you haven't answered me..what do I need to do to open such a website hosted on canonical servers in island of man ? :)
[08:55] <pygi> Srecko, so now, how can we help you? :)
[08:55] <pygi> EmxBA, we host on our own server
[08:55] <pygi> EmxBA, for Isle of man, search wiki :P
[08:55] <Srecko> So, how exactly is it better for students (there's no live cd)
[08:56] <EmxBA> pygi: whois information says that it's hosted on isle of man ;)
[08:56] <Srecko> (... included in shipment at shipit so i couldnt actually see)
[08:56] <pygi> EmxBA, o really? just the domain ^_^
[08:56] <EmxBA> Registrant City:Douglas, Isle of Man, pygi
[08:56] <pygi> EmxBA, well yes, the domain :P
[08:56] <pygi> Srecko, pm -- window pls
[08:56] <EmxBA> ah, that's exactly what i want, the domain should be in isle of man ;) and server would be mine
[08:57] <pygi> EmxBA, I forgot who to contact :P Elmo perhaps ^_^
[08:57] <EmxBA> Elmo?
[08:57] <pygi> just ignore me, I'll find who is it :P
[08:57] <pygi> LaserJock, what happened with highvoltage today? I wasnt here, but he was talking something strange?
[08:58] <LaserJock> I don't think so
[08:58] <pygi> LaserJock, hm, k
[08:58] <LaserJock> he's busy with work and was hoping people weren't mad at him because he hasn't had much time for Edubuntu
[08:58] <pygi> ah, ofcourse no one is mad
[09:00] <pygi> Srecko, so how exactly can we help you?
[09:00] <Srecko> pm, you bloody idiot
[09:00] <Srecko> you told me to switch to pm, and now...
[09:00] <pygi> Srecko, I did switch to pm, you haven't registered you know
[09:00] <pygi> and stop insulting
[09:01] <Srecko> oh shit
[09:01] <EmxBA> LOL. 
[09:02] <EmxBA> ah, you apologises, Srecko? :)
[09:03] <EmxBA> ccc. use english. from now. forever.
[09:09] <EmxBA> :) 
[09:37] <Petaris> later all
[09:44] <stormbuntu> so how come i cant login to ltsp? when i try to it kicks me bak to the login page.  I checked the logs and it said something about gconf server not started.  I checked and i didnt see a gconf server to start, any thoughts?
[09:45] <pygi> stormbuntu, gconf server?!
[09:45] <pygi> stormbuntu, ltsp-update-keys?
[09:45] <pygi> if I remember correctly :P
[09:46] <stormbuntu> maybe thats it,  i set up at work, hoping to show "the bobs" the benefits of a thin client,  anamzing stuff
[09:49] <LaserJock> half?
[09:49] <ogra> yeh
[09:49] <LaserJock> half unsuccesful? or only half done?
[09:49] <LaserJock> :-)
[09:50] <ogra> well
[09:50] <ogra> all the ltsp settings didnt apply, apparently edubuntu-artwork -35 wasnt built
[09:51] <LaserJock> :(
[09:51] <ogra> apparently the lts.conf isnt installed
[09:51] <ogra> sound comes out of the client for login but not for RB
[09:51] <ogra> nautilus is not able to start at all
[09:51] <LaserJock> ogra: do you make the .isos on your own machine or on a Canonical machine?
[09:52] <LaserJock> or does LP do that?
[09:52] <ogra> and xchat gnome is the worst app i've ever seen
[09:52] <LaserJock> :-)
[09:52] <highvoltage> :(
[09:52] <ogra> it doesnt put my name in front of lines i type as long as nobody else spoke
[09:52] <ogra> thats so weird
[09:52] <highvoltage> geez
[09:53] <ogra> i discovered a bug in the autosetup code for the dhcpd stuff in ltsp
[09:53] <ogra> (missed the "auto ethX" silly me)
[09:53] <ogra> somehow the fuse module isnt loaded, so localdev doesnt work out of the box
[09:54] <ogra> even though ltspfsd has code to add it to /etc/modules
[09:54] <LaserJock> is this going to be Knot3?
[09:54] <ogra> well, i have no opportunity to test more
[09:54] <ogra> the install works fine
[09:54] <ogra> i'll set up a known issues page with all the workarounds
[09:54] <ogra> then it shouold be fine
[09:54] <pips1_> ogra: when are you off for the sprint?
[09:54] <LaserJock> good thing it isn't October yet :-)
[09:55] <ogra> pips1_: 6am tomorrow starts my quest 
[09:55] <ogra> i'm curious if they even let me into the country :)
[09:55] <LaserJock> is that the LTSP sprint?
[09:55] <ogra> yep
[09:55] <ogra> in detroit
[09:55] <ogra> aned my first visit to the US
[09:56] <ogra> big test for the UDS :)
[09:56] <ogra> knot3 -> its way further than i thought we could get it today ...
[09:56] <LaserJock> good
[09:56] <ogra> brb, rebooting to my usual system
[09:57] <pips1_> hmm, they have quite strict regulations for the hand baggage now, don't they
[09:57] <LaserJock> cbx33 & AliasVegas !
[09:58] <LaserJock> pips1_: I think they are a little less strict but yeah
[09:59] <highvoltage> two minutes until edubuntu meeting?
[09:59] <LaserJock> !
[09:59] <pips1_> 1 min
[09:59] <LaserJock> I forgot
[09:59] <pygi> hey highvoltage :)
[09:59] <LaserJock> where was the ogra countdown?
[09:59] <cbx33> hi LaserJock 
[09:59] <LaserJock> must have been too busy testing
[09:59] <highvoltage> hey pygi 
[09:59] <cbx33> ogra is still packing I guess
[09:59] <pips1_> oh yeah, poor ogra
[09:59] <cbx33> Hey guys...welcome sharkybaby 
[09:59] <highvoltage> ogra.announce()
[09:59] <cbx33> my brother in law ;)
[09:59] <pips1_> highvoltage hehe
[10:00] <LaserJock> cbx33: hmm, seems like a conspiricy
[10:00] <pips1_> UBUNTU MEETING STARTING
[10:00] <cbx33> we're taing you over
[10:00] <LaserJock> mhm
[10:00] <cbx33> whoops taking ;)
[10:00] <sharkybaby> lol
[10:01] <cbx33> three people from one ADSL connection
[10:01] <pips1_> three?!
[10:01] <cbx33> yup
[10:03] <cbx33> pips1_, me sharkybaby and AliasVegas 
[10:04] <sharkybaby> :)
[10:04] <pips1_> ic
[10:05] <maxamillion> highvoltage: you around?
[10:05] <highvoltage> maxamillion: yep
[10:05] <sbalneav> Afternoon all
[10:05] <highvoltage> sbalneav: please join us on #ubuntu-meeting
[10:06] <highvoltage> sbalneav: hi :)
[10:06] <maxamillion> highvoltage: my name is adam miller, i am one of the two who volunteered to take over responsibilties for xubuntu.org and i heard through the mailing lists that you had already done a rewrite of the site just never got around to publishing, is that true?
[10:06] <sbalneav> Oh, ok
[10:07] <highvoltage> maxamillion: yep, I have a sql database that you can just use with dupal 4.7.x
[10:38] <ogra> known issues added
[10:39] <RichEd> ogra; socks and clean underwear packed ?
[10:39] <ogra> nope
[10:39] <ogra> nothing packed at all yet
[10:39] <ogra> will do so now
[10:39] <rodarvus> last-minute-man :)
[10:39] <highvoltage> RichEd: ogra isn't really into clothes when traveling :)
[10:39] <RichEd> make sure you allow extra time at airports ... getting worse every day especially today ++
[10:39] <ogra> (had a discussion in -devel and finished the known issues)
[10:39] <cbx33> he travels naked?
[10:40] <LaserJock> well
[10:40] <ogra> RichEd, 2h check in time is planned
[10:40] <LaserJock> I could tell you a story about Paris
[10:40] <ogra> haha
[10:40] <LaserJock> but as this is an educational channel I won't ;-)
[10:40] <highvoltage> cbx33: well, he did arrive in pars with no pants on :)
[10:40] <highvoltage> and everyone just accepted it as normal
[10:40] <ogra> not true !
[10:40] <highvoltage> it was quite funny
[10:40] <RichEd> I was told on monday that TelAviv is now 5 hours check in time.
[10:40] <LaserJock> hahahaha
[10:40] <ogra> i had pants on
[10:40] <cbx33> highvoltage, I believe you
[10:40] <ogra> !
[10:40] <highvoltage> yes true! as LaserJock is my witness!
[10:40] <ogra> bah
[10:40] <LaserJock> and half the hotel
[10:40] <highvoltage> hie hie
[10:41] <LaserJock> we love you ogra 
[10:41] <ogra> they were quite short though .. that i admit :)
[10:41] <ogra> :))
[10:41] <LaserJock> I've seen speedos with more to them ;-)
[10:41] <sharkybaby> lol
[10:41] <rodarvus> dude, ogra's pants on paris were smaller than some of my underwears :D
[10:42] <ogra> haha
[10:42] <cbx33> heheh
[10:42] <sharkybaby> :):)
[10:42] <cbx33> ogra, you werent.....wearing a thong were you?
[10:42] <LaserJock> anyway ....
[10:42] <ogra> i dont wear thongs 
[10:42] <cbx33> if it had the ubuntu logo on it, it get's my vote ;)
[10:42] <sharkybaby> hehe
[10:42] <sharkybaby> :)
[10:42] <highvoltage> oh no, what have we one!
[10:42] <LaserJock> cbx33: ewwww
[10:43] <highvoltage> *done
[10:44] <pips1_> LaserJock re speedos LOL
[10:44] <RichEd> Or as they say in a recent TV advert here : banana hammocks
[10:45] <LaserJock> please make it stop ;-)
[10:45] <pips1_> ohhhh
[10:45] <pips1_> this is too much
[10:46] <pips1_> ROFL
[10:46] <cbx33> pips1_, must be shy
[10:49] <pips1_> ogra: you done packing yet?
[10:49] <ogra> nope
[10:49] <pips1_> go on!
[10:49] <ogra> but i'll go afk now and start with that ... (afetr another coffee)
[10:50] <cbx33> nn ogra 
[10:53] <stormbuntu> pygi, was taking about ltsp-update-keys,  what does this command actually do?
[10:56] <cbx33> stormbuntu, do man ltsp-update-keys
[10:56] <stormbuntu> kk
[10:56] <stormbuntu> no manual entry
[10:57] <stormbuntu> will that help me with loggin into the ltsp?
[10:57] <stormbuntu> I am getting kicked back to the login screen
[10:58] <cbx33> stormchas3r, you should run it
[10:58] <cbx33> it could help
[10:58] <cbx33> there should be a man page
[10:59] <cbx33> after all I wrote it ;)
[10:59] <stormchas3r> lol
[10:59] <stormchas3r> kk, ill have to do it tomorrow when i get back to work
[11:00] <cbx33> ;)
[11:00] <cbx33> highvoltage, did you manage to changet that pass yet?
[11:00] <cbx33> ;)
[11:01] <stormchas3r> cbx33, so do you think that could be the issue?  I can get to the loging screen, enter un and pw, then goes right back to the login screen
[11:01] <cbx33> yes
[11:01] <stormchas3r> ty
[11:01] <cbx33> it could be the issue
[11:02] <stormchas3r> wow, another school shooting!!! what is wrong with this world?  ;)
[11:17] <stormchas3r> hello pygi 
[11:18] <pygi> hello stormchas3r :)
[11:19] <pygi> I've pass over your mail, I'll try to reply tommorow
[11:19] <stormchas3r> kk
[11:21] <stormchas3r> its cool, 
[11:24] <stormchas3r> pygi, so is it possible that i could help?
[11:24] <pygi> stormchas3r, there are always ways to help, in one way or another, for everyone ^_^
[11:25] <stormchas3r> nice
[11:29] <LaserJock> RichEd: wonderful stuff
[11:29] <LaserJock> in fact I wish we could totally revolutionize Ubuntu
[11:29] <LaserJock> no more Kubuntu, Edubuntu, Xubuntu's all over the place
[11:29] <RichEd> Thanks ... it's bringing some good stuff into focus. 
[11:30] <RichEd> LaserJock: we'll get there ...
[11:30] <LaserJock> just user solutions
[11:30] <LaserJock> people usually couldn't care less what the product is specifically
[11:30] <LaserJock> they just want to do what they want
[11:31] <LaserJock> and since it comes from the same repo anyway
[11:31] <LaserJock> what would be wonderful, in the end, is to have customizable, solution based .isos 
[11:40] <mhz> hi all
[11:40] <mhz> RichEd: semi-good news
[11:41] <mhz> We got about 6 diff courses regarding Linux and Programming, and the SysAdmin ones are LPI approved.
[11:41] <mhz> and we have 3 LAm countries already with those courses running/available
[11:41] <mhz> Puerto Rico, Colombia and Venezuela.
[11:42] <mhz> Argentina, Brazil and Chile are the next 3 to join
[11:42] <mhz> the good thing is that any student will have same standards no matter which country he goes to
[11:42] <mhz> or studies from
[11:43] <mhz> now, for the Chile case, I have been having some meetings to get the infrastructure for the institute
[11:43] <mhz> (small detail :D )
[11:44] <mhz> RichEd: did you read my emails about SEN and Bett shows in UK?
[11:44] <RichEd> that's great mdz : building momentum
[11:44] <RichEd> when did you send them ?
[11:45] <mhz> Once we get the infrastructure, we'll be in conditions to host weekly Edubuntu shows/demos/trainings for teachers
[11:45] <mhz> hmm, prob. last friday
[11:46] <LaserJock> you guys rock
[11:46] <mhz> RichEd: Subject: 	Some events in UK for Ubuntu/Edubuntu?
[11:46] <mhz> Date: 	Thu, 07 Sep 2006 19:58:14 -0400
[11:46] <mhz> RichEd: SEN -> 
[11:46] <mhz> http://www.teachernet.gov.uk/wholeschool/sen/
[11:46] <mhz> BETT ->
[11:46] <mhz> http://www.bettshow.com/bett/show_home1.asp
[11:47] <RichEd> let me check ...
[11:47] <mhz> RichEd: for SEN, I guess the A11Y Team SHOULD pay a visit to the show
[11:47] <mhz> and hopefully Edubuntu UK people should get to both events
[11:48] <mhz> tomorrow I 'll know if FONADIS (National Funding for Disability) Director will attend SEN
[11:49] <RichEd> yep ... got the mails ... jono and pete and i are talking about BETT
[11:49] <mhz> RichEd: Jolanta Polk, Commercial Section and Education of
[11:49] <mhz> British Embassy Santiago (www.britemb.cl) insisted that Canonical (if it is a UK company) should contact her
[11:49] <RichEd> don't think we will have a stand ... we'll send a team to talk to stand holder companies ... phase 1
[11:50] <RichEd> She's in the mail I see ... do you have an email address for her ?
[11:51] <mhz> because she's doing seminars and tours on regular basis here in Chile, and if I had contacted 2 weeks earlier, I would have been showing and demoing Edubuntu/Ubuntu sponsored by UK Embassy.
[11:52] <mhz> (they organized a 2 weeks tour in Chile in 3 very important/strategic Regions, until last week)
[11:52] <mhz> RichEd: I pasted her email via PM
[11:54] <RichEd> Thanks ... I see it now.
[11:54] <mhz> LaserJock: LaserJock feels utterly useless to Edubuntu <---- Why you say that?
[11:55] <RichEd> It's coming up to pumpkin time on a long day ... so I must be heading off to the land of zzz's.
[11:56] <mhz> RichEd: if anything happens regarding SEN and BETT and *Buntu, please let me know
[11:56] <RichEd> will keep you in the loop.
[11:56] <mhz> thx
[11:56] <mhz> sleep well and regards to Jane
[11:56] <mhz> RichEd: oghhh
[11:56] <mhz> sorry
[11:56] <mhz> last thing
[11:57] <RichEd> okay ... very last :)
[11:57] <mhz> RichEd: I requested a small amount of material from shipit
[11:57] <mhz> "speacial" area
[11:57] <mhz> Will we still get some merchandising material for LoCo's?
[11:58] <RichEd> I'll get you the link now
[11:59] <mhz> highvoltage: hi mon...just in case you get to see this... Translation of Edubuntu.org into Spanish is 95% ready
[11:59] <mhz> RichEd: I requested such material on the <body> of the ship it field, but I have no idea if Jane actually reads every special request ;)
[12:00] <RichEd> there is a specuial page ... trying to find it now
[12:01] <LaserJock> mhz: I said that because you guys have sooo much you are doing in the educational world
[12:01] <LaserJock> it's awesome
[12:02] <RichEd> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAtConferences
[12:02] <mhz> RichEd: in case you are looking it up...hmmm, I used the 'special request' page from shipit, where I am asked to specify why I am requesting special number of CDs
[12:02] <pips1_> yeah, mhz, sounds like you are very busy, great news!
[12:02] <RichEd> LaserJock: you are loved and wanted ... and valuable to us dude.
[12:02] <mhz> LaserJock: well, more than 'doing' .... 'trying to do it' :D
[12:03] <mhz> LaserJock: and the menu thing is gonna be great!
[12:03] <LaserJock> well, I just wish I had time for more
[12:03] <mhz> pips1_: busy bee, indeed but still unemployed hehehe
[12:03] <RichEd> g'night
[12:03] <RichEd> al
[12:03] <pips1_> cu RichEd
[12:03] <RichEd> and all
[12:03] <pips1_> mhz: hmm
[12:03] <mhz> LaserJock: and I whish I had internet at home :)
[12:04] <LaserJock> cya RichEd, great stuff t the meeting
[12:04] <LaserJock> mhz: definately
[12:04] <LaserJock> s/t/at/
[12:04] <mhz> meeting?
[12:04] <mhz> oh yeah!
[12:04] <mhz> Wed!!!
[12:04] <RichEd> thanks LaserJock : just crystallising existing effort ... standing on the shoulders of giants ... Newton and al of that
[12:04] <LaserJock> ;-)
[12:04] <mhz> hehehe
[12:04] <mhz> nn
[12:04] <pips1_> LaserJock: I just read what you said earlier, about end users don't care what the name/technology of it is, as long as they can do what they want. I couldn't agree more. 
[12:05] <mhz> pips1_: yeah, me too
[12:05] <mhz> or three ;)
[12:05] <LaserJock> sure
[12:05] <mhz> oops, time for me to get off line again :(
[12:05] <mhz> sorry, too short..
[12:05] <mhz> too late
[12:05] <RichEd> To throw in a last thought ... seeing as janeW is busy buying a new car ... 
[12:06] <RichEd> 5 years ago, cars used gas, we didn't care how much
[12:06] <mhz> pips1_: there wont be more RichEd if he does not go off line
[12:06] <mhz> pips1_: there wont be more RichEd if he does not go off line:)
[12:06] <RichEd> now we care about the environment, in some ways
[12:06] <mhz> true
[12:06] <LaserJock> RichEd: true, I'll throw in my wife story too
[12:07] <RichEd> so, the average person will not use open source becuase it represents choice and freedom
[12:07] <mhz> hence, WE MUST not forget about old hardware machines with ubuntu
[12:07] <LaserJock> my wife's laptop has both Ubuntu, Kubuntu, and Windows XP on it
[12:07] <LaserJock> and I use Opera and FireFox
[12:07] <RichEd> but, the average person willbe proud to tell their friends (after the fact) that their software represents choice and freedom
[12:07] <LaserJock> but 9 out of 10 time my wife doesn't know what I'm using unless here bookmarks aren't there
[12:07] <RichEd> it is not a deal breaker or maker ... but it is a warm and fuzzy
[12:08] <LaserJock> as long as she can get to the content she wants, she doesn't care what OS or even what browser it is
[12:08] <mhz> LaserJock: yup, so does my wife...
[12:08] <pips1_> RichEd: I think I got you :)
[12:09] <RichEd> yes ... agreed LaserJock ... but when you remind her it is open source, she may tell a friend ...
[12:09] <mhz> BUT she does care about using new software on older machines
[12:09] <LaserJock> but the OSS education is after she can get where she wants to go
[12:09] <RichEd> if she used windows ... she will feel no need to mention it
[12:09] <RichEd> yep .... -> but, the average person willbe proud to tell their friends (after the fact) <- 
[12:09] <mhz> oops
[12:09] <mhz> gotta run
[12:10] <LaserJock> and if we focus on the product rather then the solution we are providing (which OSS is a part of)
[12:10] <mhz> bye all!
[12:10] <pips1_> mhz: cu
[12:10] <LaserJock> cya
[12:10] <RichEd> it's not a key factor ... but it is reaching awareness
[12:10] <RichEd> thanks
[12:10] <LaserJock> cya RichEd, tell JaneW hello
[12:11] <pips1_> yes, greetings to JaneW 
[12:11] <RichEd> she's long asleep by now .. will tell her in the morning from both of you :)
[12:11] <RichEd> tx
[12:11] <pips1_> LaserJock: what time zone are you in?
[12:12] <LaserJock> UT-7
[12:12] <LaserJock> UTC
[12:12] <pips1_> oh, i'm UTC+2
[12:12] <LaserJock> mhm