[12:13] <jdong> ack, got some free time :)
[12:19] <Hawkwind> nixternal: Seems you have a fan club!
[12:19] <nixternal> that is me
[12:19] <nixternal> haha
[12:19] <nixternal> im doing screen shots for Edgy and the Knot 3 release
[12:20] <Hawkwind> Ahhh, didn't think it was really you
[12:20] <Hawkwind> Hah
[12:22] <jdong> imbrandon: congrats on core-dev status :)
[12:22] <jdong> this means I can pester you for backports source change uploads :)
[12:22] <imbrandon> lol
[12:23] <imbrandon> jdong, you should really go through the motions for MOTU ( would help with backports alot )
[12:23] <jdong> imbrandon: grr, are you turning into ogra now :P
[12:23] <jdong> imbrandon: backport me some free time, and I'll do it :)
[12:23] <imbrandon> lol see its true ;)
[12:24] <imbrandon> heh
[12:25] <jdong> now would you look at that... someone wants a newer blender
[12:25] <jdong> now, if I were MOTU, I'd have to do that...
[12:26] <jdong> but now, I just flip open a Ubuntu bug ticket and wait for ogra to do the work :P
[12:26] <imbrandon> umm not realy as we're deep into uvf and feature freeze and knot freeze ;)
[12:26] <imbrandon> really*
[12:27] <ajmitch> imbrandon: it's been demoted to universe
[12:27] <jdong> imbrandon: ogra already said he intended on shoving it through :)
[12:27] <jdong> as universe
[12:27] <imbrandon> ohh blender isnt main anymore ?
[12:27] <jdong> nope
[12:27] <imbrandon> ahhh ok nvm
[12:27] <ajmitch> no longer, apparantly
[12:27] <imbrandon> lol
[12:27] <jdong> not in edubuntu anymore, going back to universe
[12:27] <ajmitch> but it requires a newer ffmpeg
[12:27] <ajmitch> which is too often a hassle to update, I heard :)
[12:28] <jdong> but seriously, when I get more time (and learn a bit more of the MOTU trade), I'll consider applying
[12:28] <imbrandon> yea i tried it once LONG ago
[12:28] <crimsun> congrats, imbrandon 
[12:29] <imbrandon> crimsun, thanks ( and thanks for the +1 )
[12:30] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: Big congrats man, you certainly deserve it
[12:30] <imbrandon> ;)
[12:30] <ajmitch> more so than many of us :)
[12:30] <imbrandon> nah
[12:31] <imbrandon> i was suprised i got it after he brought up i was only a motu for a month though heh, i was sweating then
[12:31] <imbrandon> wow
[12:31] <ajmitch> but I've always been a bit slow
[12:32] <imbrandon> SOMEDAY i'll start my DD trek , but that will be quite a while i am guessing 
[12:32] <toma> next month
[12:33] <imbrandon> lol if i get that job maybe ( as atleaste 2 DD's work there lol )
[12:33] <imbrandon> but i doubt it
[12:33] <ajmitch> hopefully you will
[12:34] <imbrandon> heh yea , i was totaly suprised at the response i got , hopefully it works out as good as it has so far
[12:34] <imbrandon> then soon i will be speaking fluent spanish ;)
[12:34] <nixternal> anyone know where the "data" file is stored for the hwdb-kde?  i need to blow it out and force the hwdb to start from scratch for screenies
[12:34] <imbrandon> hwdb.ubuntu.com ?
[12:34] <toma> nixternal: .hwdb
[12:35] <toma> nixternal: ~
[12:35] <nixternal> haha toma, right as you said it i seen it
[12:35] <nixternal> and passed it up
[12:35] <nixternal> ty
[12:35] <toma> yw
[12:35] <crimsun> yes, it certainly is
[12:35] <imbrandon> yup
[12:36] <imbrandon> it was used reciently in the kernel stuff iirc
[12:36] <jdong> what, to make yourselves feel good? ;)
[12:36] <jdong> well, if my kernel doesn't boot, I can't really use hwdb to report it, can I?
[12:36] <jdong> :P
[12:36] <imbrandon> yourselvs? spoken like an outsider ;)
[12:36] <jdong> imbrandon: I kind of am an outsider ;-)
[12:36] <crimsun> hwdb integrates into all sorts of troubleshooting tools
[12:37] <crimsun> specifically I'm using it to seed audio troubleshooting
[12:37] <jdong> crimsun: I take it you guys have some better way of looking at hwdb than the web frontend previously linked?
[12:38] <crimsun> if better implies public, that may not be the case
[12:38] <jdong> and since you guys say it's useful, I'll hwdb my 2nd laptop right now :)
[12:38] <jdong> crimsun: not necessarily public
[12:42] <jdong> yay!
[12:42] <jdong> +8GB RAM in ubuntuforums database server
[12:42] <jdong> maybe now there won't be 200 timed out queries per second :)
[12:47] <imbrandon> nixternal, ping
[12:47] <nixternal> wasabi?
[12:47] <imbrandon> the kdelibs -0ubutnu11 is now in the archive ( the un-purple one )
[12:47] <hads> I read on the kubuntu-devel list that there are some Xinerama patches which may be responsible for windows not opening on the screen containing the mouse. Is this a known bug/feature that someone is working on or wants any testing done?
[12:47] <imbrandon> for knot 3
[12:47] <nixternal> ya..i just grabbed it...umf
[12:47] <nixternal> umf umf
[12:47] <nixternal> it is hot
[12:48] <jdong> nixternal: how about some upstart mention in Knot3 release notes?
[12:48] <hads> I must say I do like the new colours.
[12:48] <imbrandon> hads, not sure 
[12:48] <nixternal> link me and i will be happy to
[12:48] <imbrandon> nixternal, upstart.ubuntu.com
[12:49] <kwwii> hads: glad to hear it :-)
[12:49] <nixternal> thanks
[12:49] <jdong> imbrandon: whoa! that actually exists!
[12:49] <hads> imbrandon: This is the mail I was refering to; https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2006-August/001273.html
[12:49] <imbrandon> jdong, you think i would fib ?
[12:49] <hads> It mentions someone named Seli
[12:50] <kwwii> Seli is a kde guy
[12:50] <imbrandon> hads, ok , seli is probably poking them then
[12:50] <Tonio_> kwwii: usplash works correctly here :)
[12:50] <imbrandon> actualy it looks like Riddell is handling it
[12:51] <jdong> so... you guys say that if I log out and back in right now, my KDE will unpurplize itself?
[12:51] <kwwii> Tonio_: good to hear it, needs some work though
[12:51] <imbrandon> jdong, no just the konqui middle
[12:51] <jdong> oh
[12:52] <jdong> ooh, pretty :)
[12:52] <jdong> actually, just different
[12:52] <jdong> which keeps my short attention span happy
[12:53] <jdong> like a random scheme generator :)
[12:54] <imbrandon> omg no, that would make me sooo mad ( as i normaly highly customize my theme after release ) and i'm sure others do too
[12:55] <jdong> imbrandon: then I guess you're not the one who uploaded the konversation that overwrote my freenode with ubuntu :)
[12:55] <crimsun> consistent colour themes? overrated!
[12:55] <imbrandon> brb , i think i am gonna reboot to test the new usplash 
[12:55] <imbrandon> jdong,  yes i am
[12:55] <imbrandon> ;)
[12:55] <jdong> :)
[12:55] <Tonio_> _Sime_: ping ?
[12:57] <imbrandon> jdong, my current desktop ( edgy ) http://federation.imbrandon.com/for-jdong.png ( suprised it looks an awefull lot like kwii's screen shots hehe )
[12:57] <imbrandon> lol , little late
[12:58] <imbrandon> s/kwii's/kwwii's
[01:00] <Lathiat> got enough channels?
[01:01] <kwwii> good to see that people appreciate our work on the oxygen icons :-)
[01:01] <kwwii> you should check them out weekly, of course as we are in constant development
[01:02] <imbrandon> kwwii, yea i've just been lazy, i should do a fresh checkout
[01:02] <imbrandon> but yea i love them
[01:03] <imbrandon> Lathiat, thats only freenode heh
[01:03] <Lathiat> heh
[01:03] <Lathiat> well i have 36 windows in irssi
[01:03] <Lathiat> guess i cant talk ;)
[01:04] <imbrandon> well i prune mine now and then, i use 90% or more of them regularly
[01:04] <Lathiat> well 25 now
[01:04] <Lathiat> i just cleaned up
[01:04] <Lathiat> haha yeh me too
[01:04] <imbrandon> atleaste to lurk/read
[01:04] <Lathiat> 25 that i just cant leave
[01:04] <imbrandon> probably only 15 i "talk" in any ammount of time at all
[01:05] <hads> Aha, I think I found the patches they are talking about; http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/xinerama/
[01:12] <jdong> whose genius idea is it to run cron jobs on battery power?
[01:13] <imbrandon> cron jobs run when they are sceduled
[01:14] <kwwii> why is it, when I mouse over the powermanger is shows me an empty box?
[01:15] <jdong> imbrandon: hmph... well, they should be battery aware :)
[01:16] <hads> OK, so the patch appears to work correctly - you set a XineramaPlacementScreen value in your kwinrc and it works as advertised but there doesn't appear to be any way to get the original 'follow mouse' behaviour. I'll follow it up with Seli.
[01:17] <Riddell> crivvens, I missed tech board
[01:17] <Riddell> sorry imbrandon 
[01:17] <Riddell> but well done on getting in
[01:18] <imbrandon> Riddell, hehe thanks , np i seemd to have slid by ;)
[01:19] <imbrandon> i probably hilighted you 5 times though hehe
[01:19] <imbrandon> tis almost naptime for me though for a few hours, stayed up for the TB 
[01:20] <imbrandon> but i'm making one last blog entry for the day ( seems flash 9 on linux isnt vaporware and the screenshots from adobe are on Ubuntu no less , heh )
[01:21] <imbrandon> maybe they will release it with some gpl compatable lic , heh doubtfull
[01:21] <kwwii> Riddell: Why aren't the top window corners rounded in knot3?
[01:22] <kwwii> feel free to answer honestly :-)
[01:22] <imbrandon> hehe
[01:22] <jdong> imbrandon: ha. gpl compatible license... we'd be lucky to get binaries that'll work in edgy :)
[01:22] <jdong> kwwii: nothing looks rounded here :-/
[01:22] <jdong> to put it bluntly :P
[01:23] <imbrandon> jdong, as i said it looks like ubuntu is there "refrence" platform from the screenshots 
[01:23] <jdong> imbrandon: let's hope so....
[01:23] <jdong> imbrandon: and lets hope our edgy dbus doesn't somehow break this one, too
[01:23] <jdong> as it breaks everything else :P
[01:23] <imbrandon> jdong, http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/
[01:23] <jdong> imbrandon: saw that
[01:25] <hads> I spoke too soon, after reading more carefully it depends on your focus policy and you can override it by ActiveMouseScreen in kwinrc. Yay :)
[01:25] <kwwii>  http://bootsplash.org/snapshot3.png
[01:25] <kwwii> that is how kubuntu looks in knot3
[01:26] <imbrandon> kwwii, cept your tabs on konversation are still at the bottom ;)
[01:26] <Tonio_> kwwii: I don't have the rounded stuff here :)
[01:26] <kwwii> EXCEPT FOR THE ROUNDED WINDOW CORNERS
[01:26] <Tonio_> kwwii: LOL :) okay
[01:26] <kwwii> Riddell: !!!
[01:27] <imbrandon> wow that does look nice kwwii
[01:27] <imbrandon> ( the roundness )
[01:27] <Tonio_> imbrandon: yep, love that too :)
[01:27] <imbrandon> and the gradient
[01:27] <hads> Thanks for the pointers people, I'll leave you in peace.
[01:29] <jdong> Riddell: my window borders are a bit rough around the edges, too....
[01:29] <Riddell> kwwii: tell me what the rounded windows key is and I'll upload it
[01:29] <Riddell> but as I've said, I'm not a big fan of them
[01:30] <Riddell> kwwii: the window shading looks completely different
[01:30] <kwwii> Riddell: I guess I can change it and give you a diff?
[01:30] <Riddell> kwwii: sure
[01:30] <kwwii> Riddell: do you like the new gradient or not?
[01:30] <imbrandon> kmail is in kdepim right ?
[01:30] <kwwii> Riddell: don't worry, it is ok to hate it :-)
[01:30] <Riddell> kwwii: what I have is different from what is in the screenshot you just posted
[01:31] <kwwii> ahhhh....shit
[01:31] <kwwii> I gave you the wrong pic
[01:31] <kwwii> that is the first time in my life that that has happened
[01:32] <kwwii> damn it
[01:32] <kwwii> sorry
[01:34] <Riddell> well I go to bed in 5 minutes so best hurry :)
[01:35] <kwwii> http://bootsplash.org/KnotImages_plus.tar.gz
[01:35] <kwwii> has the correct one
[01:35] <kwwii> sleep well
[01:35] <kwwii> see you
[01:36] <imbrandon> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/60153
[01:36] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 60153 in kdepim "kmail crash when selecting messages " [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  
[01:36] <imbrandon> can anyone confim ( or try to confirm that )
[01:36] <imbrandon> i tried to add as much info as possible
[01:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://kubuntu.no-ip.org/ no more brown color :)
[01:41] <Tonio_> kwwii: don't you mind if I use kubuntu new stuff on the blog even if edgy isn't out ?
[01:44] <Riddell> lovely, now all you need is a hackergotchi
[01:44] <kwwii> Tonio_: of course not, feel free to post whatever you want
[01:44] <Riddell> kwwii: rounded corners and window shade uploaded
[01:44] <kwwii> Riddell: thanks a lot, sorry to keep you up
[01:44] <kwwii> and sorry for the mistake
[01:44] <kwwii> stupid of me
[01:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have one
[01:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://planetemu.net/php/vbulletin/image.php?u=2&dateline=1137797106
[01:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: I used this one for 8 years now, but I may change a bit if I wanna blog serious stuff concerning kubuntu.......
[01:47] <Riddell> Tonio_: that really doesn't look like how I remember you
[01:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: lol :)
[01:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: true, this is why I think about something more serious :)
[01:48] <Riddell> something less bovine maybe
[01:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: probably yes... more like with my face on it ;)
[01:49] <Tonio_> Hackergotchis are created from a standard original digital or digitised photograph and get transformed into the final product using image manipulation programs like the GIMP or Adobe Photoshop.
[01:50] <Tonio_> hum, didn't knew hackergotchi were always supposed to use a real photo as a base
[01:55] <imbrandon> Tonio_, looks nice man ( although a tip , i get a few thousand hits a day from planet , so if you plan to aggragete it to the planet i wouldent keep it on your no-ip.org cable modem )
[01:56] <imbrandon> actualy about 1.5 hits are comming from planet and 700 or so a day from other places 
[01:56] <imbrandon> s/1.5/1.5k
[01:57] <Tonio_> imbrandon: it is a 100MB/s server :)
[01:58] <Tonio_> imbrandon: the same than for my website http://planetemu.net
[01:58] <ajmitch> except that it's hosted on my home DSL :)
[01:59] <Tonio_> imbrandon: so as the serveur currently received about 1 million http request a day, planet will not kill it :)
[02:00] <Tonio_> imbrandon: this kind of server is only 30 a month in france... :)
[02:00] <Tonio_> ajmitch: same problem here, I can't stand my face on photos !
[02:03] <imbrandon> ajmitch, if you get a no-ip host ( or domain ) i can host it for ya free ( wondeltn add that much badwidth )
[02:03] <imbrandon> Tonio_, ahhh ok most no-ip addresses are on home lines
[02:03] <Tonio_> ajmitch: I can also host you if needed
[02:04] <Tonio_> imbrandon: yes I know, but well.... I don't want to buy a domain just for this...
[02:04] <imbrandon> ;)
[02:04] <imbrandon> Tonio_, true , ok bbiab food time
[02:04] <Tonio_> imbrandon: I will look into a better free domain somehow
[02:36] <bddebian> Hello
[02:40] <Hawkwind> Hey there bddebian
[02:40] <bddebian> Howdy Hawkwind
[02:40] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: You around by chance ?
[02:43] <imbrandon> was just heading off to bed? what can i do for ay
[02:43] <imbrandon> ya*
[02:43] <imbrandon> heya bddebian
[02:44] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: Ah nevermind.  I'll catch ya tomorrow.  It's about a bug
[02:44] <imbrandon> hehe ok, i'll be back in about ~6 hours maybe 7 ;)
[02:44] <imbrandon> you can email me the info and i'll look when i wake
[02:44] <imbrandon> imbrandon@kubuntu.org
[02:44] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: Ok.  If I'm still here we'll talk.  If not, definitely tomorrow sometime
[02:44] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: Ah ok.  I'll email ya, thanks
[02:46] <bddebian> Hi imbrandon
[02:47] <imbrandon> gnight all
[02:48] <bddebian> Gnight imbrandon :-)
[02:58] <freeflying> imbrandon: congrats 
[03:04] <Hobbsee> hey all
[03:08] <freeflying> Hobbsee: heya
[03:08] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: congratulations
[03:08] <Hobbsee> hey freeflying 
[03:35] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: excellent!  if you go for core dev, then i dont have to.  then i cant get grilled by mdz again.
[03:39] <Hobbsee> Uptime: 43 minutes
[03:39] <Hobbsee> right, g-p-m is borkign on me
[04:01] <yuriy> Hobbsee: bug #60167 sounds different from bug #30842 to me
[04:01] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 60167 in meta-kde "Unable to send files to the trash" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60167
[04:01] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 30842 in meta-kde "Trash not emptying on kubuntu !" [Medium,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/30842
[04:02] <Hobbsee> yuriy: it does?
[04:02] <yuriy> well, just read the title (and the description, but it doesn't deviate from the title)
[04:02] <Hobbsee> yuriy: oops
[04:02] <Hobbsee> i suspect it's the same issue, but you're right.
[04:03] <yuriy> it could be the same issue i agree
[04:03] <Hobbsee> fixed
[04:05] <Hobbsee> well, unduped and responded to, anyway
[04:33] <yuriy> Hobbsee: looks like you were right
[04:33] <Hobbsee> yuriy: about?
[04:33] <Hobbsee> yuriy: permissions issue?
[04:33] <yuriy> bug #60167 dupe
[04:33] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 60167 in meta-kde "Unable to send files to the trash" [Untriaged,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60167
[04:33] <Hobbsee> ah right
[07:06] <seaLne> is there anything that cdbs does about CFLAGS that a normal dh package dosen't?
[08:50] <kwwii> moin
[08:51] <Jucato> hi kwwii! :)
[08:51] <kwwii> howdy Jucato
[08:52] <seaLne> self inflicted or medical?
[08:52] <kwwii> well, I think I ate something bad, so kinda half-half
[08:52] <seaLne> ah, not good
[08:52] <Jucato> :(
[08:53] <seaLne> has anyone noticed nfs mounted fs incredably slow sometimes under edgy?
[08:53] <Burgundavia> kubuntu is changing back to blue?
[08:53] <Burgundavia> will this be done for knot3?
[08:54] <nixternal> yup
[08:54] <Burgundavia> is it already done?
[08:54] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyEft/Knot3/Kubuntu
[08:54] <nixternal> yup
[08:54] <Jucato> ehhehe.. is that why kwwii's sick?
[08:54] <nixternal> he better not be, he has work to churn out ;)
[08:54] <Jucato> * kwwii is ill :-(
[08:55] <nixternal> kwwii, this current color scheme however, it pretty awesome..i like the color a little better i must say
[08:55] <Jucato> people in the forums are going to have a festival about this :)
[08:55] <Jucato> a harmonic blend of purple (one camp) and blue (another camp) :D
[08:55] <nixternal> yup..and it is sweet
[08:56] <Jucato> and kool :)
[08:56] <kwwii> nixternal: good to hear...I kinda expected that reaction from many people
[08:57] <nixternal> im loving it
[08:57] <nixternal> haha kwwii, don't you love it when plans "come together" like that ;)
[08:57] <Jucato> kwwii: which reaction? the "I hate purple" reacton?
[08:57] <Jucato> s/reacton/reaction
[08:57] <nixternal> the purple was hot
[08:57] <Jucato> it was.. sexy :)
[08:57] <Burgundavia> purple was cool and unique
[08:57] <nixternal> at first i was like ewww no..then it changed on that day when i did my apt-get upgrade
[08:57] <Jucato> unfortunatley, not many shared our opinions..
[08:58] <nixternal> it is still purple
[08:58] <kwwii> Jucato: well, it was a bit too much for some people
[08:58] <nixternal> just a much cooler purple
[08:58] <kwwii> so I put it in first, then to improve it with this one
[08:58] <kwwii> hehe, enough evil-plan- telling
[08:58] <Jucato> kwwii: both are pretty awesome :)
[08:58] <Jucato> heh :)
[08:59] <kwwii> pukes, takes a bath and then back to bed
[08:59] <Jucato> :(
[08:59] <Jucato> nixternal: if I just update Edgy now, I'll be on Knot 3, right?
[08:59] <nixternal> pretty much yes
[09:00] <seaLne> nixternal: what changed? i don't really see any difference, is it still Kubuntu O2?
[09:00] <nixternal> well..there are some new default-settings that just came out
[09:01] <nixternal> seaLne: color scheme, wallpaper, and back to the original konqi background
[09:01] <nixternal> the purple is a tad bit "darker" or "bluer" maybe
[09:01] <nixternal> it is a nice shade however
[09:01] <Jucato> bluish purple :)
[09:02] <Jucato> purple-ish blue :)
[09:02] <nixternal> ya, one of those ;)
[09:02] <seaLne> ah right so i probably can't really see any difference then? :)
[09:02] <Jucato> seaLne: appearance-wise, you will
[09:02] <Jucato> or should
[09:02] <nixternal> you should notice the color difference right away
[09:02] <seaLne> i switched colours to keramak then mack to Kubuntu O2 and it still looks the same hmm
[09:03] <Jucato> can't wait for Knot 3 to be officially released, so I can update my gallery again :)
[09:03] <Jucato> seaLne: have you updated?
[09:03] <seaLne> did about an hour ago
[09:03] <Jucato> hm...
[09:03] <Jucato> that would be strange...
[09:04] <Jucato> er... actually now would probably be the perfect time to install VMWare Server :P
[09:05] <seaLne> i have -34 weird
[09:07] <seaLne> maybe i'd need to restart for it to notice the diff
[09:07] <Jucato> seaLne: probably restart KDE or X
[09:08] <seaLne> yeah, i'll probably do that later
[09:16] <nixternal> g'nite!
[09:16] <Jucato> night nixternal! :)
[12:30] <_Sime_> is this thing working?
[12:33] <Jucato> when is Knot 3 supposed to be out?
[12:36] <seaLne> tommorow probably
[12:36] <Jucato> ah.
[12:37] <seaLne> good to check if it works as if it dosen't knot3 won't either :)
[12:37] <Jucato> heh
[12:55] <Riddell> Jucato: yes, please let me know if it works for you
[12:55] <Riddell> actually the live CD installer seems broken
[12:55] <insanekane> does anyone know whether Kubuntu will install/work on a SATA drive ?
[12:55] <Jucato> Riddell: sure thing. downloading the ISO right now
[12:55] <Riddell> insanekane: don't see why not
[12:56] <insanekane> Riddell: ok, ... a friend is buying a new machine ... he wanted to know whether kubuntu would work on it
[12:56] <insanekane> Riddell: it seems the shop told him "Linux doesnt have a driver for it"
[12:57] <Riddell> take a live CD into the shop and find out
[12:58] <seaLne> insanekane: yep works fine on sata
[01:00] <abattoir> Riddell: need anything in the DVD tested? i could do that...
[01:00] <insanekane> seaLne: k ... i told him so 
[01:01] <seaLne> but if he is physically seeing the laptop aswell to check things work with a live cd as Riddell suggested
[01:01] <Jucato> take a live CD and let them be amazed!! :)
[01:08] <Tonio_> hi everyone
[01:08] <Jucato> hi Tonio_! :)
[01:08] <Tonio_> _Sime_: ping ?
[01:08] <Jucato> Hobbsee! :)
[01:08] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato 
[01:09] <Hobbsee> i think my connection to here lapsed or something
[01:55] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: thanks for keeping your /var/cache/apt/archives - it just saved me from going crazy :P
[01:56] <mornfall> there's no snapshot service for ubuntu?
[01:56] <mornfall> (ala snapshot.debian.net)
[01:57] <Hobbsee> mornfall: there might be, which i dont know about
[02:44] <kwwii_> baoh
[02:44] <kwwii_> what a day
[02:44] <Hobbsee> hey kwwii_ 
[02:44] <Jucato> how are you feeling?
[02:44] <kwwii_> a bit better
[02:44] <Hobbsee> kwwii_: ooh!  the usplash looks gorgeous!
[02:44] <kwwii_> Hobbsee: but the logo is a bit too big, or?
[02:45] <Jucato> rawr! 1 more hour before the download finishes... :(
[02:45] <kwwii_> Hobbsee: actually, just because of you, I have been working on the idea with the lights shinging though
[02:45] <Riddell> usplash does look lovely, gfxboot is quit poor against it
[02:45] <Hobbsee> kwwii_: no, not really - maybe the progress bar is a little small.  *shrugs*
[02:45] <kwwii_> s/though/through
[02:45] <Hobbsee> kwwii_: ooh :)
[02:45] <kwwii_> that is the diffference when you have 8x more colors
[02:47] <kwwii_> my other computer has been rendering logos with light shinging through them for 15 hours :-)
[02:47] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:50] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:50] <Jucato> I'm installing it on VMWare this time though... :)
[02:50] <Hobbsee> heh
[02:51] <kwwii_> Jucato: if you get that running, could you take some screenshots?
[02:51] <Jucato> kwwii_: sure.just like I did for Knot 2 (sans kdm, usplash, and splash screen...)
[02:52] <kwwii_> Jucato: well, the ksplash still has an old bg in it - something else I missed :-(
[02:53] <Jucato> kwwii_: huh? but the screenshot in the Knot 3 page...?
[02:53] <kwwii_> Riddell: we can point the ksplash bg to /usr/share/wallpapers/ as well, or?
[02:53] <Jucato> er.. sorry my mistake....
[02:53] <kwwii_> Jucato: which knot3 page? 
[02:53] <Jucato> I was looking at the login screen :D
[02:53] <kwwii_> :-)
[02:55] <Jucato> kwwii_: maybe ksplash and kdm could keep their own copies of the bg, since they're supposed to themes (and therefore independent of what's in /usr/share/wallpapers, right?)
[02:55] <Riddell> kwwii_: yes, I'll fix that
[02:58] <kwwii_> Jucato: well, if you change the wallpaper on your desktop, it will not change those bgs....but at first, when you start your system, everything has the same bg, which is nice
[02:58] <Jucato> ah yes... sounds reasonable :)
[02:59] <kwwii_> I have also thought about using the wallpaper in  the usplash as well...gotta test it first though
[02:59] <Jucato> hm...
[03:07] <kwwii_> hehe, can you say color-banding? forget that idea
[03:07] <jdong> the kubuntu splash is yellow-ish white with grey fuzz
[03:07] <kwwii_> ouch
[03:08] <jdong> :-/
[03:08] <kwwii_> now that sounds like a bug
[03:08] <jdong> yes, it is
[03:08] <Jucato> ...
[03:08] <jdong> I'm gonna launchpad it soon
[03:08] <jdong> but from the last time I tried to poke mjg59 about it, he didn't seem to care
[03:08] <Jucato> hm.... sounds like what a squashed bug on your monitor would look like...
[03:10] <jdong> yeah, lol
[03:10] <jdong> i think it's because usplash is still stuck in 16 color mode
[03:18] <kwwii_> sooooo....anyone have an comments/critc/good-ideas for the CD covers?
[03:18] <kwwii_> I am thinking about using the kde3 gear or something like it, instead of the gear-with-the-planet image used now on the front
[03:19] <Riddell> naked dragons!
[03:19] <Riddell> oh wait, done that
[03:19] <Hobbsee> uh....
[03:19] <Hobbsee> lol
[03:19] <Jucato> lol
[03:19] <kwwii_> lol
[03:19] <Jucato> naked ducks then :D
[03:19] <kwwii_> that would be kinda cool
[03:19] <Hobbsee> Riddell: and before you suggest it, NO!
[03:19] <kwwii_> konqi and the female version in exactly the same pose as the naked people
[03:20] <Hobbsee> Jucato: clothed ducks could be more weird
[03:20] <Jucato> heh
[03:20] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i know you've jested about me modeling before, for some weird reason
[03:20] <Jucato> Konqi and Kate (Konqi's gf)
[03:20] <kwwii_> the nice things about dragons is that people do not expect them to be clothed
[03:20] <Jucato> Hobbsee: yes, but Dapper = refined, which would mean he/she/it would probably be clothed :P
[03:21] <kwwii_> in fact, I've no idea how to determine beetween a naked female dragon and naked male dragon
[03:21] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:22] <rouzic> Hi Hobbsee, Riddell :)
[03:22] <Hobbsee> hey rouzic 
[03:22] <jdong> kwwii_: simple... you hand them ........
[03:22] <Riddell> we could just use the photo of Tonio_ and sebas and kwwii_ naked in bed together
[03:22] <rouzic> one problem in a macbook and Knot2
[03:22] <Jucato> kwwii_: I think Kate would be wearing a dress and has some lipstick on...
[03:22] <Jucato> lol
[03:23] <kwwii_> or we could make a new pic with all the major kubuntu devs naked in a row
[03:23] <rouzic> Hobsee: The wiki does not work in the Knot2 in my MacBook
[03:23] <kwwii_> erm, maybe that would not be a good selling point
[03:23] <rouzic> wifi*
[03:23] <Hobbsee> kwwii_: you first :P
[03:23] <Hobbsee> kwwii_: hah
[03:23] <Jucato> hm... or naked and holding hands like in the Ubuntu website :D
[03:24] <jdong> rouzic: don't macbooks use atheros cards?
[03:24] <kwwii_> I can see myself explaining that to my wife
[03:24] <Riddell> kwwii_: using the kde 3.0 gear may well be the best idea :)
[03:24] <Hobbsee> hmmm...pornographic cd's....
[03:24] <Hobbsee> i dont think that'd be a great idae.
[03:24] <Hobbsee> *idea
[03:24] <kwwii_> Riddell: yeah, I think so, just gotta dig it up
[03:24] <Hobbsee> Riddell: heh. based on the options, yeah :P
[03:25] <rouzic> Yes, but Kubuntu Knot2 does not recognize me the network(net) "ath0" and in the command iwconfig does not appear.
[03:25] <Jucato> or... the 3D Kubuntu logo...
[03:26] <kwwii_> Jucato: I guess that considering the 2d nature of the rest of the cover (which will not be changed this time around) it might be better to use the official 2d logo
[03:26] <Jucato> ah
[03:26] <Jucato> I was looking at the Dapper CD cover lol :)
[03:27] <rouzic> Also there are problems on having used the Spanish language since on having formed the programs it(he,she) shows problems with the places
[03:27] <Jucato> yay 30 mins to Knot 3 goodness :P
[03:28] <Riddell> Jucato: what happens in 30 minutes?
[03:28] <Jucato> ISO will be finished downloading. so I can test out the Live CD :P
[03:28] <Jucato> Knot 3 will be using the Sept 13 build right?
[03:28] <Riddell> nope, although that's the current candidate
[03:29] <Jucato> oh heh :)
[03:29] <Riddell> you'll need this file to replace /usr/lib/ubiquity/ubiquity/frontend-kde-ui.py  http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kde-ui.py
[03:31] <Jucato> I just replace frontend-kde-ui.py with kde-ui.py when I run the Live CD, right?
[03:31] <Riddell> /usr/lib/ubiquity/ubiquity/frontend/kde-ui.py
[03:31] <Riddell> yes
[03:32] <Jucato> ah ok. will do :)
[04:04] <seaLne> thats a pity i don't think the greenphone is worth "$695 USD + shipping/handling and applicable taxes" to me
[04:06] <Riddell> pricey
[04:07] <abattoir> especially when it doesnt have wifi :(
[04:12] <mornfall> it's not a consumer device, mind you
[04:12] <Jucato> it's a hacker's/geek's mobile toy... 
[04:25] <beligum> I thought it did have wifi?
[04:33] <Jucato> kwwii_: saw what you meant about the splash screen still being the old purple/yellow one :)
[04:45] <Hobbsee> night all
[04:47] <beligum> If I use dput with an already uploaded (and improved) package, will it 'upgrade' an existing one automatically?
[04:47] <beligum> (in revu)
[04:52] <jdong> aah kdelibs4, kde4libs..... what are all these kdelibs 4? ;)
[04:52] <Jucato> isn't kde4libs for KDE4?
[04:52] <jdong> yes
[04:52] <jdong> but kdelibs4 is 4 kde3
[04:53] <jdong> :)
[04:53] <Jucato> ah :)
[04:53] <Jucato> confusing, ain't it? :P
[04:53] <jdong> I love it
[04:53] <jdong> classic ubuntu
[04:53] <jdong> just like the usplash package naming convention :)
[04:53] <Jucato> lol
[04:53] <jdong> today is windows maintenance day at my house.... :-/
[04:54] <jdong> the least fun day of the month
[04:54] <Lathiat> updates day?
[04:54] <jdong> updates, defragging,virus/spyware checking.... you name it
[04:54] <jdong> almost screwed myself over on the updates part....
[05:02] <Lathiat> funny thing is im runnign windows on a machine at the moment
[05:02] <Lathiat> and i dont run antispyware or anything
[05:03] <Lathiat> and its not a problem :)
[05:03] <Lathiat> it sjust idiot users & internet explorer ;p
[05:03] <Lathiat> every so oftne i run i to double check but it never finds any more than a tracking cookie or some crap
[05:07] <Jucato> bug 13497 still in Sep 13 build of Edgy Desktop CD
[05:07] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 13497 in kdebase "Locked password on live CD interferes with screen lock" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/13497
[05:10] <seaLne> isn't the screensaver off on the live cd?
[05:10] <Jucato> the option to lock the session is still there though. and it still locks the session...
[05:10] <seaLne> ah
[05:11] <Jucato> let me check if the screensaver is off by default.
[05:14] <seaLne> should i still have the "broken monitor" coloured background while kde was starting? kdm had the new one
[05:14] <Jucato> there's a new usplash
[05:15] <seaLne> nafaik
[05:15] <Jucato> as of the Sep 13 build, there is.
[05:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: it is not sebas in the bed, but aseigo :)
[05:16] <Jucato> heh
[05:16] <Tonio_> but yes this was a fun moment :)
[05:17] <Tonio_> seaLne: riddell was talking about this photo :
[05:17] <Jucato> heh..
[05:17] <seaLne> spycam.ubuntu.com?
[05:17] <Jucato> from the KDE developers meeting (forgot the name of that event...)
[05:18] <seaLne> akademy?
[05:18] <seaLne> Tonio_: so which photo?
[05:18] <Tonio_> http://tonio.homelinux.org/tmp/1.jpg
[05:18] <Jucato> nope not that one...
[05:18] <Tonio_> from the usd paris
[05:18] <seaLne> ah
[05:18] <Jucato> ah there.usd paris. (I thought it was a KDE event :P)
[05:19] <seaLne> how could you mistake the 2 in that photo its pretty clear :)
[05:19] <seaLne> sebas i think
[05:20] <Jucato> ah
[05:20] <Tonio_> Jucato: sebas
[05:20] <Tonio_> he got a kick in the face which broke his glass...
[05:20] <Jucato> heh... poor guy. at least he was a hero for a night :)
[05:21] <Tonio_> Jucato: yup :)
[05:21] <seaLne> Tonio_: who else is in that photo i don't recognise the other 2
[05:21] <Tonio_> seaLne: Aaron Seigo on the left, me in the center and Ken on the right
[05:22] <seaLne> ah
[05:22] <Jucato> aseigo, Tonio_, and kwwii_  (in IRC)
[05:23] <Jucato> aseigo seems to be the only one not having fun with whatever's on his screen :)
[05:24] <Tonio_> Jucato: but he was
[05:24] <Jucato> heh
[05:24] <Tonio_> just he was probably concentrated for the photo I assume :)
[05:24] <Jucato> yeah, but not so evident in that picture. or he was having too much fun :)
[05:26] <Tonio_> Jucato: nobody, just the flash was differed
[05:26] <Jucato> aah..
[05:26] <Jucato> heh :P
[05:27] <Tonio_> I don't know the english term for this
[05:27] <beligum> after re-packaging libinstrudeo with "sudo pbuilder build libinstrudeo_0.1.3.dsc", I don't have a *_source.changes, why's that ?
[05:27] <Tonio_> how do you call that ? to take a photo "in 10 seconds"
[05:27] <Jucato> delay, I think...
[05:28] <seaLne> yeah or on a timer
[05:28] <Tonio_> beligum: in /var/cache/pbuilder/result ?
[05:28] <beligum> yes
[05:28] <Tonio_> beligum: you should get one......
[05:29] <Jucato> anyway, about that bug... is there any other way that lock session might be activated automatically/accidentally on the Live CD?
[05:29] <Tonio_> beligum: in any case you repackage the source with debuild -S to recreate the changes file
[05:29] <beligum> aaah, I did a "dpkg-source -b <directory>" instead
[05:30] <beligum> so the correct actions to do (when something changed) is: debuild -S && sudo pbuilder build *.dsc  ?
[05:31] <seaLne> well the .dsc will be the directory below the source
[05:31] <Tonio_> beligum: yup
[05:32] <Tonio_> beligum: just debuild -S should suffice
[05:32] <seaLne> -S -sa to include source for when you want to upload to revu etc
[05:36] <jdong|laptop> wow, they sure don't fix bugs like they used to :P
[05:36] <jdong|laptop> yes, let's just mark it as conflicts: libdbus1-2.....
[05:36] <Jucato> jdong|laptop: which bug?
[05:36] <Jucato> oh
[05:36] <jdong|laptop> that'll just uninstall half of my system when I go to dist-upgrade :)
[05:37] <jdong|laptop> but hot damn, vmware-player "works" now :)
[05:37] <jdong|laptop> just you happen to lose a few non-critical apps, like openoffice....
[05:37] <Jucato> lol
[05:37] <jdong|laptop> half of the gtk apps in universe....
[05:38] <beligum> grrr, I always get a "secret key not available" error (gpg key is set up correctly, though)
[05:38] <seaLne> is the email set to the one for your key?
[05:39] <beligum> yes
[05:42] <beligum> hmm, is there a way to change my gpg key uid?
[05:42] <beligum> I'd like to switch from "Bram Biesbrouck (beligum) <b@beligum.org>" to "Bram Biesbrouck <b@beligum.org>"
[05:42] <Tonio_> kwwii_: where can I find a new kubuntu logo without any background please ? :)
[05:45] <Tonio_> Jucato: could be nice indeed
[05:46] <Jucato> yeah. except Riddell doesn't want to have one, at least officially and by default. heh :P
[05:46] <Tonio_> Jucato: ah...
[05:52] <kwwii_> Tonio_: how big?
[05:52] <seaLne> beligum: you can edit the key
[05:52] <Tonio_> kwwii_: don't mind I can resize :)
[05:53] <kwwii_> hehe, I only have a smaller one on my website already
[05:53] <beligum> seaLne: great, I've been googling and man'ing, but can't seem to find the command to change the owner name
[05:53] <kwwii_> wdith=201 px
[05:53] <seaLne> beligum: i can never remember, right click on your key in kgpg and select edit in terminal
[05:54] <seaLne> think that should allow it
[05:56] <beligum> seaLne: don't have kgpg (and apt-get is broken on kdelibs4c2a)
[05:57] <seaLne> gpg --edit-key 0xEEED70F3 <- replace with your keyid
[05:58] <seaLne> maybe need to adduid then delete the old one
[05:59] <beligum> Can I use 'change the ownertrust' command ?
[05:59] <seaLne> not sure
[05:59] <seaLne> take a backup of ~/.gnupg first before playing is probably a good idea
[06:00] <beligum> ok
[06:01] <Tonio_> kwwii_: hum, got one, forget this ;)
[06:01] <kwwii_> Tonio_: http://bootsplash.org/test-edgy.png
[06:02] <Tonio_> kwwii_: this one's better, thanks :)
[06:06] <beligum> why is kdelibs4c2a dependency broken?
[06:07] <bddebian> Howdy
[06:08] <seaLne> lo
[06:08] <bddebian> Heya seaLne
[06:10] <beligum> seaLne, what would happen if I edit secring.gpg and pubring.gpg manually ?
[06:11] <seaLne> you'll break it probably :)
[06:16] <beligum> :)
[06:17] <beligum> great, remove and add worked, thanks
[06:18] <jdong|laptop> hey! guess what I learned just a few minutes ago!
[06:18] <jdong|laptop> Firefox tends to segfault when your CFLAGS is over 150 characters long :)
[06:20] <seaLne> what do you have in CFLAGS? :)
[06:20] <jdong|laptop> seaLne: do you want to know?
[06:21] <jdong|laptop> seaLne: do you REALLY want to know?
[06:21] <jdong|laptop> seaLne: do you REALLY REALLY REALLY want to know? ;)
[06:21] <seaLne> not especially but it sounds like an awfull lot :)
[06:22] <jdong|laptop> -g0 -DTT_CONFIG_OPTION_BYTECODE_INTERPRETER -pipe -O2 -march=nocona -fweb -funswitch-loops -funroll-all-loops -funit-at-a-time -fsched2-use-traces -fsched2-use-superblocks -fsched-stalled-insns=12 -frename-registers -fprefetch-loop-arrays -fpeel-loops -fomit-frame-pointer -fmerge-all-constants -finline-limit=32768 -finline-functions -ffunction-sections -ffast-math -fdata-sections -fbranch-target-load-optimize2
[06:22] <jdong|laptop> -fvisibility-inlines-hidden -fabi-version=0 -fpermissive -fno-enforce-eh-specs -mfpmath=sse,387
[06:22] <jdong|laptop> MUAHAHA
[06:22] <jdong|laptop> OMG I FEEL SO GENTOO!!!!
[06:22] <jdong|laptop> the best part -- I can't believe it compiled :)
[06:26] <bddebian> ack my eyes
[06:27] <kwwii_> wow, you can build it like that, and the dekstop is purple, pretty much like gentoo
[06:28] <jdong|laptop> lol
[06:28] <jdong|laptop> well, that was fun
[06:29] <jdong|laptop> now, to build a REAL firefox for me to actually USE....
[06:29] <jdong|laptop> -pipe -O2 -march=nocona -mfpmath=sse
[06:29] <jdong|laptop> that's better :)
[06:29] <seaLne> ln -s konqueror firefox
[06:35] <jdong|laptop> there, done building
[06:35] <jdong|laptop> let's see if that one crashes :)
[06:35] <seaLne> my solution was quicker ;)
[06:35] <jdong|laptop> whoo! 3.01s rendering time on scragz!
[06:36] <jdong|laptop> down from 3.81s
[06:37] <jdong|laptop> O_O
[06:37] <jdong|laptop> I'm gonna go cry now
[06:37] <jdong|laptop> 1.64s
[06:38] <jdong|laptop> waaah... where's my conroe extreme? :(
[06:39] <seaLne> for $3000 i'd expect a dual quad core with 16Gb :)
[06:43] <jdong|laptop> lol
[06:43] <jdong|laptop> man, this brings back memories of last april fools
[06:43] <jdong|laptop> my friend's just discovered Gentoo
[06:44] <jdong|laptop> and he's in the "going crazy over gentoo" phase
[06:44] <jdong|laptop> so we caught him just as he was gonna do a gentoo install
[06:44] <jdong|laptop> he headed out for a while, and we took over his computer
[06:44] <jdong|laptop> we replaced /usr/bin/emerge with a prank script that would print out randomly generated "gcc-like" output
[06:44] <jdong|laptop> forever
[06:44] <jdong|laptop> he came back, did an emerge kde
[06:45] <jdong|laptop> and it was like 4 days later when he told me that "emerge was still running" :D
[06:51] <seaLne> lol
[06:52] <rouzic> When is out the Knot3?
[06:54] <seaLne> probably tommorow
[06:57] <rouzic> ok, thanks
[07:19] <seaLne> anyone know if i need to mention in debian/copyright if the program uses ssl?
[07:21] <Riddell> seaLne: hmm, touchy subject
[07:22] <Riddell> seaLne: no, but if it's GPL and links against libssl it may have to be looked at
[07:22] <seaLne> if its bsd is that ok?
[07:22] <Riddell> seaLne: that's fine yes
[07:24] <seaLne> ta
[07:25] <jdong|laptop> nixternal: the new usplash should get mention in release notes, too
[07:25] <jdong|laptop> nixternal: IIRC knot2 came with the 16-color business card
[07:25] <nixternal> why do i still have the "test" usplash?
[07:26] <jdong|laptop> nixternal: update-initramfs -u?
[07:27] <jdong|laptop> apparently dpkg-reconfigure usplash is bogus; it doesn't actually generate a new initramfs even though it claims to do so :)
[07:27] <nixternal> well...if it doesn't do it by default, then i usually don't add it..this way we don't have to do a tutorial on how to show the new usplash
[07:27] <jdong|laptop> nixternal: fresh installs of knot3 will, as will the livecd
[07:28] <nixternal> alrighty then...lemme work on this other task, then i will go ahead and get that done as well
[07:28] <nixternal> i need info on a couple of topics in the release notes as well
[07:28] <jdong|laptop> k, no hurry
[07:51] <kwwii_> hehe, imagemagick takes more than an hour to make the animation
[07:51] <kwwii_> :-(
[07:52] <kwwii_> my son just came home and said he saw Kubuntu CDs bundled with an EasyLinux magazine :-)
[07:54] <imbrandon> kwwii_, sweet hehe
[07:54] <imbrandon> moins all
[07:54] <kwwii_> moin imbrandon
[07:54] <Hawkwind> Hey there imbrandon
[07:56] <imbrandon> Hawkwind, got your mail , after mt dew and a smoke i'll get to it ;)
[07:57] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: Thanks.  I greatly appreciate it.  I figured you could atleast get it to the right person to look at if nothing else
[07:58] <imbrandon> ;) well i just changed mail clients so its re-downloading a TON of mail headers from the imap server atm
[07:58] <imbrandon> so it might be an hour or two but i'll poke it ;)
[07:59] <Hawkwind> No rush at all.  Just whenever you have the time
[08:04] <jdong> currently, playing with getting wget to appreciate 3.5GB ISO's :P
[08:05] <imbrandon> wow old release, if your gonna grab them grab torrents ( and get 10.2.4 heh )
[08:06] <jdong> imbrandon: 10.2.4 seems to have too much "broken" for my tastes... but I'll give it some consideration :)
[08:07] <jdong> imbrandon: should I go down the KDE or GNOME road with OpenSuse?
[08:07] <imbrandon> well i thought you said playing with it not using it
[08:07] <imbrandon> i use kde reguardless of the distro
[08:07] <imbrandon> you probably want to get opinions somewhere other than a #kubuntu room though
[08:07] <imbrandon> like #suse ;)
[08:08] <jdong> hehehe, probably :)
[08:08] <jdong> and no, I'm not gonna switch to suse
[08:08] <jdong> yet
[08:08] <jdong> btw, you think it's ok to walk into #suse with ubuntu stamped all over me?
[08:09] <imbrandon> dont see why not
[08:09] <imbrandon> we dont cut you off talking about suse too much in kubuntu ;)
[08:09] <imbrandon> traitor
[08:10] <jdong> lol :)
[08:10] <jdong> I just got two responses
[08:10] <jdong> kde and gnome :)
[08:11] <imbrandon> did you expect otherwise? thats like asking if you should use vi,nano,or emacsOS
[08:11] <imbrandon> ;)
[08:13] <jdong> imbrandon: are you sure 10.2.4 is functional?
[08:13] <imbrandon> i have it on my laptop but i havent booted into it more than 1 or 2 times for about 3 minutes, i only use other distros to check out how something works or to grab some code
[08:14] <imbrandon> so i'm probably not the one to ask
[08:14] <jdong> imbrandon: those are roughly my goals for checking out suse, too
[08:14] <jdong> k, I'll 10.2.4 it
[08:15] <imbrandon> and honestly unless you have a slow connection netinstall it
[08:15] <imbrandon> beats downloading 3.5 gig as you will only need about 1.3 of it
[08:15] <imbrandon> ( for kde )
[08:16] <imbrandon> i got a net install done in about 1.5 hours
[08:16] <imbrandon> not too bad
[08:17] <jdong> over wifi, I don't think I'll netinstall it :)
[08:18] <jdong> besides, I might permanently put this on some computer
[08:18] <jdong> I have so many *buntu's that it's not pleasing my distro junkiness
[08:35] <GNUrante> hi
[09:02] <imbrandon> hello GNUrante
[09:07] <beligum> Hi all, I adapted the libinstrudeo package at REVU according to the previous comments
[09:07] <beligum> could someone take a look? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3047
[09:07] <GNUrante> hellp imbrandon
[09:09] <imbrandon> beligum, would be good to ask in MOTU ;)
[09:09] <imbrandon> GNUrante, with ?
[09:09] <beligum> ok, thx, sorry
[09:09] <Riddell> beligum: there's no .orig.tar.gz
[09:09] <imbrandon> heya Riddell ;)
[09:09] <Riddell> beligum: asking here is fine if it's KDE related (or even if it's not)
[09:10] <imbrandon> yes its fine , i just thought he would get more of a response ;)
[09:10] <beligum> well, it's the backend to ScreenKast, so it's definately KDE-related
[09:10] <imbrandon> ( to clairify )
[09:10] <beligum> hmmm, why no orig.tar.gz? should that be created automatically ?
[09:11] <imbrandon> beligum, if you built with debuild -S -sa  yes
[09:11] <Riddell> beligum: the upstream authors will release a .tar.gz, you should rename that to package_0.123.orig.tar.gz
[09:11] <imbrandon> err no
[09:11] <beligum> I have, but on another machine, that's why
[09:11] <Riddell> beligum: then when you build the package it'll get a .diff against it
[09:11] <beligum> I'm the upstream-author ;)
[09:11] <imbrandon> yea what Riddell said, ignore me, i read that wrong
[09:12] <Riddell> beligum: same rules apply though :)
[09:12] <Riddell> beligum: you should version the package name to match the SONAME version, libinstrudeo1 and you should have a -dev pacakge with the .h files 
[09:16] <beligum> ok
[09:16] <beligum> hmm, why's the soname libinstrudeo1 ?
[09:16] <Riddell> I don't know if it is, you will have set that
[09:16] <Riddell> objdump will tell you
[09:22] <beligum> hmmm, just tried objdump -p libinstrudeo...
[09:22] <beligum> got libinstrudeo-0.1.3.so as soname, is this possible?
[09:23] <Riddell> sounds sane, so the package should be libinstrudeo0
[09:23] <Riddell> assuming you have binary compatibility
[09:24] <beligum> not yet, using -version linker flag for the moment
[09:24] <Riddell> if there's no binary compatibility you should probably not make the .so file and only make a static .a file
[09:25] <Riddell> but ask around what the best practice is for that
[09:25] <beligum> allright
[09:28] <beligum> is there a possibility to upload a total revision of the previously uploaded version?
[09:28] <beligum> (deleted the originally uploaded one)
[09:29] <Riddell> beligum: sure, that happens by default on revu
[09:29] <Riddell> make sure you have a .dsc, .diff and .orig in the .changes files
[09:33] <beligum> it's just that the files on revu are different then my .changes, .dsc, tar.gz files
[09:34] <Riddell> beligum: then upload and you'll overwrite them :)
[09:34] <Riddell> beligum: but you say you have a .tar.gz, you need a .orig.tar.gz and .diff.gz
[09:34] <beligum> ah, forgot to click on upload link, stupid me, sorry
[09:37] <beligum> Ridell: so basically, I should keep my build-dir intact (stupid question, yeah), change soname to libinstrudeo0 (or make static), include the orig.tar.gz and create a -dev package?
[09:38] <Riddell> beligum: yes
[09:38] <beligum> is including the headers the only diff between regular and -dev ?
[09:39] <beligum> Can you take a look at the debian-dir at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3105 ?
[09:39] <beligum> just want to make sure that allright
[10:12] <nixternal> Riddell: you happen to check out an email i sent you this morning?
[10:14] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyEft/Knot3/Kubuntu is coming along..im going to work inthe new splash...the Hibernate section and the Gamma section need work
[10:17] <danimo> hi
[10:18] <danimo> what's the pakage to install a system in a chroot?
[10:19] <seaLne> debootstrap
[10:20] <Hawkwind> Awwwww....the login screen isn't as purple as it once was :(
[10:20] <danimo> ah, rifht
[10:20] <imbrandon> heh
[10:20] <seaLne> but it also dosen't look like your monitor is broken anymore
[10:20] <imbrandon> danimo, dchroot is also a nice thing to use along with debootstrap/chroot
[10:20] <Hawkwind> seaLne: Hah, good point
[10:21] <seaLne> see actually looking at it on a faulty monitor! :)
[10:23] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: What is the expected date of Knot3 ?
[10:23] <danimo> what's udeb?
[10:24] <jdong|laptop> are we there yet? ;)
[10:24] <nixternal> jdong: the usplash still don't get it
[10:24] <jdong|laptop> nixternal: weird :-/
[10:24] <imbrandon> Hawkwind, tomarrow sometime
[10:24] <nixternal> it is still the testing one
[10:24] <imbrandon> brb phone
[10:25] <jdong|laptop> nixternal: i'm not sure how exactly I got my dist-ugraded box to show it....
[10:25] <jdong|laptop> nixternal: but my freshly installed kubuntu box sports it :)
[10:25] <imbrandon> nixternal, i still get the testing one too but the new one is out, its just not working for everyone for somereson
[10:25] <nixternal> see, in the past, the testing usplash stayed until the very end
[10:25] <nixternal> ahh imbrandon
[10:25] <nixternal> gotcha
[10:26] <imbrandon> nixternal, no the new one is in its just broke for some resolutions it seems 
[10:26] <imbrandon> but a new install or new cd it will work
[10:26] <imbrandon> OOTB
[10:27] <nixternal> go figure
[10:27] <imbrandon> ohhh iTunes 7 is out, me boots the lappy into osx
[10:28] <nixternal> haha
[10:28] <jdong|laptop> heh, hey imbrandon, why don't you head to #osx :P
[10:28] <imbrandon> figured it would be relaed after the apple confrence yesterday
[10:28] <imbrandon> jdong i'm IN #mackosx and ##apple ;)
[10:28] <jdong|laptop> lol
[10:28] <jdong|laptop> figures
[10:29] <imbrandon> that and it pertains to amarok stuff ;) so shush ( just teasin )
[10:29] <jdong|laptop> hehe.... riiiight :)
[10:29] <imbrandon> nixternal, 7 wont work in cxoffice ( only 4.9 works , not even 6.4 )
[10:29] <imbrandon> heh
[10:30] <nixternal> interesting
[10:30] <nixternal> Amarok works for me
[10:31] <nixternal> iTunes is bloated crap
[10:32] <imbrandon> hahah right after you said you was gonna install it, classic
[10:32] <nixternal> hehe ya
[10:32] <nixternal> i don't even have crossover office, i was just pokin' some fun
[10:32] <imbrandon> for that matter kde is bloated compared to fluxbox, but i like it , i dont buy a 3ghz machione to run a console 
[10:32] <imbrandon> ;)
[10:33] <nixternal> i do
[10:33] <nixternal> ;)
[10:33] <nixternal> wait
[10:33] <jdong|laptop> lol
[10:33] <danimo> imbrandon: did you read lubos analysis?
[10:33] <nixternal> i don't have a 3ghz machine
[10:33] <imbrandon> danimo, nope , link ?
[10:33] <imbrandon> nixternal, well mine is 2.98 close enoguh
[10:33] <danimo> imbrandon: http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/memory/
[10:34] <imbrandon> danimo, nice , i'll look at it here in a sec
[10:34] <imbrandon> looks thourough [sic] 
[10:35] <jdong|laptop> danimo: as much as I like what it says, I don't think it's 100% true/accurate
[10:35] <jdong|laptop> namely, KDE here does use slightly more RAM than GNOME on average
[10:35] <jdong|laptop> not that I care about it in any way
[10:35] <jdong|laptop> just saying
[10:36] <danimo> jdong|laptop: it depends on a lot of things, although lubos tried to use self-compiled packages
[10:36] <imbrandon> jdong not on my machines
[10:36] <danimo> jdong|laptop: plus he used gnome 2.16
[10:36] <danimo> jdong|laptop: which probably uses more memory than 2.14
[10:36] <jdong|laptop> danimo: likewise; edgy :)
[10:36] <danimo> jdong|laptop: it's of course a synthetic thing
[10:36] <danimo> but it's not a gnome vs. kde thing
[10:37] <jdong|laptop> again, I'm not gonna contest what he says; I'm just saying what I see is slightly different
[10:37] <jdong|laptop> I'm not the one to start any gnome vs kde wars either
[10:37] <jdong|laptop> heck I switch between the two on a hourly basis :P
[10:37] <imbrandon> i'm sorry jdong|laptop
[10:37] <danimo> it shows that kde and gnome have an advantage for loading the most common libs (gtk/qt) on de loading
[10:37] <danimo> and the benefit of reusing libs in general
[10:37] <imbrandon> yea
[10:38] <imbrandon> i see that 
[10:38] <imbrandon> same thing osx does
[10:38] <imbrandon> osx actualy has a very small memory foot print , i was suprised
[10:38] <jdong|laptop> lol, all the time you save running fluxbox goes down the drain as soon as you try to launch gedit or firefox :)
[10:38] <imbrandon> jdong exactly and most people dont realize that
[10:39] <jdong|laptop> imbrandon: don't worry, I fight system-monitor-freaks at the forums on a daily basis :(
[10:39] <jdong|laptop> it's unbelievable how much people complain about "memory usage"
[10:39] <jdong|laptop> and then you ask them why it bothers them
[10:39] <jdong|laptop> and they can't give me a better answer than "look at my numbers!"
[10:39] <imbrandon> heh specialy when ram is one of the cheapest things to buy
[10:40] <jdong|laptop> heck those people weren't even experiencing thrashing or any signs of RAM overuse
[10:40] <imbrandon> low ram useages to me is wasted computer
[10:40] <jdong|laptop> they're just obsessive-compulsive
[10:40] <imbrandon> i fully intend on putting 8gb of ram in my next system ( next month )
[10:41] <imbrandon> and i dont think thats overkill at all considering what i do everyday
[10:41] <jdong|laptop> whoo!
[10:41] <jdong|laptop> I can see how that's justified
[10:41] <jdong|laptop> I'd personally trade a slower processor for more RAM
[10:42] <imbrandon> my next system will be a coreduo with 4gb ram at the LEASTE , my current system is amd64 3400+ and 2gb and i max out the ram/cpu regularly for long peroids
[10:42] <jdong|laptop> yeah, you definitely need a core 2 duo of some sort
[10:43] <jdong|laptop> have you considered the mac pro?
[10:43] <imbrandon> the main thing to me isnt reduce the ram useage in ways that cut features ( not i'm all for reducing it if you can keep the EXACT same functionality but that dosent me3an chanign the WM or apps i use )
[10:43] <imbrandon> jdong i have a few mac's ;) 
[10:43] <imbrandon> jdong and it will mostlikely be a desktop mac pro i get
[10:44] <imbrandon> 90% or better probably
[10:44] <jdong|laptop> the mac pro is surprisingly a bargain if you're looking to buy that high-end
[10:44] <imbrandon> apple has always been worth the money for the quality you get to me
[10:45] <jdong|laptop> agreed
[10:45] <jdong|laptop> but then settled on a cheaper Acer core duo :)
[10:46] <jdong|laptop> but then again, I'm just restless :P
[10:46] <imbrandon> but all in all i'm not the target audance either and i try to keep that in mind
[10:47] <imbrandon> most people shouldent have less than 512 mb ram but 2gb is about right
[10:47] <imbrandon> 4gig to 8gig is over kill atm for a day to day desktop
[10:47] <imbrandon> for the "target audiance"
[10:48] <jdong> agreed
[10:48] <imbrandon> so in that same token my ibook happly runs kde and all my day to day apps with 640mb ram
[10:48] <jdong> 512 nowadays is a bare-bones minimum
[10:48] <imbrandon> i just dont compile on it
[10:49] <imbrandon> or try to run openoffice
[10:49] <imbrandon> ;)
[10:49] <jdong> imbrandon: my robotics team is happy developing using Kubuntu on p3m 700MHz with 256MB RAM :)
[10:49] <jdong> and they use OOo, Firefox... Azureus (!)
[10:49] <jdong> and lightweight compiling
[10:49] <jdong> I have made the mistake of trying to get firefox to compile on one of those
[10:49] <jdong> bad idea
[10:49] <imbrandon> heh i use ff and azureus on the lappy just not oo.o ( koffice or neooffice )
[10:50] <jdong> hey, speaking of that, I'm SURE you want to try my firefox build from earlier today!
[10:50] <jdong> lol
[10:50] <imbrandon> heh copiling ff is only for ricers, the binarys work fine on millions of systems
[10:50] <jdong> lol, I was just having fun
[10:50] <imbrandon> compileing
[10:50] <jdong> I found these ABSURD cflags from some 3rd party gentoo wiki
[10:50] <jdong> and I just wanted to see if they'd work
[10:51] <jdong> surprisingly, the thing built
[10:51] <imbrandon> compile safari to be faster and i'll be hapy
[10:51] <imbrandon> happy
[10:51] <jdong> but the binaries segfaulted on every other page :)
[10:51] <jdong> but recompiling FF on my core duo did get me a 10% rendering boost
[10:51] <jdong> too bad it does the exact opposite on AMD systems
[10:52] <imbrandon> considering rendering is less than 1 second on 90% of pages client side ( the time is spent server side ) 10% is nothing
[10:52] <jdong> yeah, that's true
[10:53] <imbrandon> jdong, my amd does sse3 just fine
[10:53] <jdong> imbrandon: yes, but it doesn't do it any faster than it'd do 387 FPU calls
[10:53] <jdong> i.e. -mfpmath=
[10:53] <jdong> on a64's you get better performance when set to 387
[10:53] <jdong> on intels you get a siginificant performance boost setting it to sse
[10:53] <imbrandon> and? that dosent matter for 99.9999999999999999 % of the apps out there including ff
[10:54] <jdong> umm, video encoders...
[10:54] <jdong> guess that's in the 0.0000000001%?
[10:54] <imbrandon> how much video encoding does firefox do ?
[10:54] <imbrandon> silly
[10:54] <jdong> I'm not saying firefox
[10:54] <jdong> I'm saying other stuff
[10:54] <jdong> like mencoder/ffmpeg
[10:54] <jdong> the current optimizations really have an intel bias to them
[10:55] <imbrandon> name one thing besides viedo encoding ( that is handled by gpu's mostly now a days anyhow ) that everyday people will do ?
[10:55] <jdong> video encoding is handled by the GPU?
[10:55] <jdong> how do you convert your dvd's to personal media player compatible mpeg4?
[10:55] <imbrandon> most video cards have native mpeg encoding yes
[10:55] <jdong> the last time I checked, mencoder still used my CPU :-/
[10:55] <DaSkreech> Argh where is the KDM Trunk?
[10:56] <jdong> as does lame/oggenc
[10:56] <jdong> and I could appreciate a 10% boost there....
[10:56] <imbrandon> my 386 can use lame/oggecn ;)
[10:56] <jdong> yes, but I do appreciate the performance boost from a cflag or two on multi-hour jobs
[10:57] <jdong> it makes as much difference as shelling out $50 more bucks for a slightly faster CPU
[10:57] <jdong> and if that comes with just recompiling, I'd take my free performance boost :)
[10:57] <imbrandon> ricer , we're talking EVERY DAY USE
[10:57] <jdong> I'm not a big fan of CFLAGS or those types of optimization....
[10:57] <jdong> don't call me a rice
[10:57] <jdong> ricer*
[10:57] <imbrandon> dude your talking just like one man ;)
[10:57] <jdong> but there are a FEW packages that'd benefit from another look in terms of optimization
[10:58] <imbrandon> 10% on ff rendering isnt one of them though
[10:58] <jdong> dude, I'm not blindly apt-building my entire system with -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer whatnot :)
[10:58] <imbrandon> heh
[10:58] <jdong> imbrandon: 10% is enough to feel when navigating back/forward
[10:58] <jdong> or large tables
[10:58] <jdong> isn't not much
[10:58] <jdong> but it's still noticeable
[10:58] <imbrandon> i know man i'm giving you hell trying to play devils advocate here, you have to thing about your grandma here
[10:59] <jdong> imbrandon: I would not tell my grandma to recompile firefox :)
[10:59] <imbrandon> 10% isnt NOTHING when its less than a second
[10:59] <jdong> and I would not suggest recompiling ubuntu's firefox with SSE :)
[10:59] <imbrandon> you THINK it is
[10:59] <jdong> imbrandon: I'm talking about pages that take 4-5 seconds to render
[10:59] <jdong> large tables
[10:59] <jdong> where just viewing them cached back/forward takes 5 seconds
[10:59] <jdong> 10% is noticeable
[10:59] <imbrandon> i've NEVER seen a page that takes longer than one second client side
[10:59] <jdong> and it's not placebo effect
[11:00] <imbrandon> more time is spent in the tcp stack then rendering
[11:00] <jdong> imbrandon: ubuntuforums, I regularly view with 300 or so threads per screen
[11:00] <imbrandon> you telling me you can notice times less than a second ?
[11:00] <jdong> yes, I do notice it
[11:00] <jdong> half a second is noticeable
[11:00] <imbrandon> how ? 
[11:00] <jdong> and appreciable in a 3 hour moderating session
[11:00] <jdong> when majority of the time is spent waiting for pages to load
[11:00] <imbrandon> not half a second , 1/10th of a second
[11:01] <jdong> on a 5 second page, that's .5 seconds
[11:01] <imbrandon> jdong, thats server side bud
[11:01] <jdong> no, it's not
[11:01] <jdong> I open up 25 links in new tabs
[11:01] <jdong> firefox hangs momentarily when it renders
[11:01] <jdong> that's not server side
[11:01] <jdong> that's my CPU at 50%
[11:01] <jdong> that's client side lag
[11:01] <imbrandon> like i said i have NEVER seen a page that takes longer than 1 second to render cleint side, put a profiler on it from a page from your hdd
[11:02] <imbrandon> tcp and other things come into play when that "hang" happens, thats not it "rendering"
[11:02] <jdong> I will when I have time, but I don't think my CPU is donating cycles to help the server :)
[11:02] <jdong> though that would be helpful as canonical is not donating cycles :)
[11:03] <imbrandon> heh 
[11:03] <jdong> and when that initial 500-thread page takes 25 minutes to render, that IS server side :)
[11:03] <jdong> when I rapid-fire middle click on all the threads, and firefox does its little hangs, and my CPU is maxed out
[11:03] <jdong> I doubt that's server side
[11:03] <jdong> in all reality i shouldn't be using firefox for this work
[11:03] <jdong> especially after ubuntu put pango/cairo on
[11:04] <jdong> konq feels better at it
[11:04] <jdong> as does dillo, if it supported the forums a bit better
[11:04] <nixternal> imbrandon: if you could please, fill me in on the "Hibernate" and "Gamma" stuff for Knot 3 if you have any details I can add to the release notes
[11:04] <nixternal> brb
[11:04] <imbrandon> nixternal, lure would be the better one to ask, i have little or no info on the hibernate stuff ( or Riddell possibly )
[11:05] <imbrandon> and gamma i have no clue what your even talking about
[11:05] <jdong> nixternal: what about suspend/hibernate? the buttons are now on the logout page
[11:05] <jdong> and they're handled the same dbus way as guidance-power-manager/gnome-power-manager
[11:05] <mornfall> night
[11:06] <jdong> I'm kinda puzzled about the gamma thing, too... the applet looks the same since I switched to edgy
[11:06] <nixternal> ya same here
[11:06] <nixternal> no matter what i do, i can't get them to equal out
[11:06] <nixternal> and i know in windows and the adobe gamma thing, getting them to equal out was a breeze
[11:07] <nixternal> thx imbrandon, i will fire him an email quickly
[11:08] <nixternal> wait..so the hibernate stuff is just the addition to the logout popup?
[11:08] <nixternal> nm
[11:08] <nixternal> i just saw your 2nd line..i so gotta fix my highlight colors
[11:09] <jdong> nixternal: correct, hibernate just is about the logout dialog
[11:09] <nixternal> cool...that is an easy write up
[11:09] <nixternal> i swore i had seen a blog post int he past about the gamma thing
[11:12] <nixternal> how was the hibernation done in the past?
[11:12] <nixternal> i can't remember dapper ;)
[11:12] <nixternal> or breezy or anything else for that matter
[11:15] <jdong> klaptopdaemon had it on its right-click menu
[11:15] <jdong> as does guidance-power-manager
[11:15] <jdong> but since dapper, GNOME sported it on the logout dialog
[11:15] <jdong> now KDE has it too :)
[11:17] <nixternal> ya i knew gnome had it
[11:18] <nixternal> i never use any of that stuff..so i don't pay close attention
[11:18] <nixternal> i turn my computer on, and it stays on until the power goes out
[11:19] <jdong> lol, that's my desktop too
[11:19] <jdong> too bad it doesn't work for longer than 3 hours 20 minutes on my laptop :)
[11:19] <kwwii_> someone tell me why in the hell kubuntu only has speedcrunch as a callculator?
[11:19] <kwwii_> I mean, what iin the hell?
[11:20] <jdong> kwwii_: what's wrong with speedcrunch?
[11:21] <jdong> and katapult's calculator for that matter
[11:21] <yuriy> speedcrunch is not much of a calculator
[11:21] <kwwii_> jdong: um, let me think...there is no reason to include it?
[11:21] <kwwii_> it does not even have buttons
[11:21] <kwwii_> what is it for? to make newbies hate us?
[11:21] <jdong> what's kde's usual calculator? kcalculator or kalculator or kalkulator or something?
[11:22] <kwwii_> I am used to seeing kcalc
[11:22] <jdong> ah, kcalc
[11:22] <jdong> :)
[11:23] <GNUrante> Hi
[11:25] <kwwii_> ahhh, the edgy version has buttons
[11:25] <nixternal> lol
[11:25] <jdong> wait, the dapper one had no buttons??
[11:25] <bddebian> Hello GNUrante
[11:25] <nixternal> correct
[11:25] <nixternal> the dapper version was horrid
[11:25] <GNUrante> hello bddebian
[11:26] <GNUrante> wlassistant don't work in edgy.. it need a fix!
[11:26] <jdong> pull up a terminal, type sudo iwconfig..... ;)
[11:27] <GNUrante> PS: why kubuntu don't use knetworkmanager? wlassistant is not the best
[11:27] <jdong> GNUrante: networkmanager is still flaky
[11:27] <jdong> on certain wireless drivers
[11:27] <jdong> it leads to hangs and kernel panics
[11:27] <jdong> and sometimes does not associate or DHCP
[11:30] <GNUrante> jdong: mmm kubuntu need a good wireless manager!
[11:30] <nixternal> everyone, check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyEft/Knot3/Kubuntu and tell me how it looks ok layout wise..i am wondering about the bottom portion where the "HIbernate" stuff starts really
[11:30] <jdong> yes, it does
[11:33] <imbrandon> nixternal, your logout screen is missing the suspend button ( i suspect the computer your using dosent support it probably )
[11:33] <imbrandon> ( the screen shot )
[11:33] <nixternal> probably not...can you get me a 1024x768 screeny with it?
[11:33] <nixternal> i did it in vmware thats why
[11:33] <jdong> nixternal: "Guidance Power Manager setup as well, insuring minimal ", s/insuring/ensuring/
[11:33] <imbrandon> haha omg i would have to change my whole theme
[11:34] <imbrandon> i'm not using /ant/ of the defaults nixternal
[11:34] <imbrandon> any too
[11:34] <nixternal> insuring is correct, ensuring isn't a word that i know of
[11:34] <jdong> nixternal: also, if you can manage it, a screenshot of g-p-m with the battery/CPU popup tooltip would be better
[11:34] <nixternal> that was so knot 2 ;)
[11:34] <nixternal> hehe
[11:35] <jdong> :)
[11:35] <jdong> lol
[11:35] <nixternal> actually...has it changed from knot 2?
[11:35] <jdong> that was IMO the coolest part of gpm
[11:35] <jdong> it's less buggy :)
[11:35] <nixternal> if so i will grab one with my lappy tonight and get it there
[11:35] <nixternal> image wise has it changed?
[11:35] <jdong> better icons
[11:35] <jdong> slightly
[11:35] <nixternal> ok..i will do that tonight then..thanks
[11:36] <nixternal> OK, added 
[11:36] <imbrandon> ohh itumes 7 automaticly gets my album art, i've soooo been waiting for that
[11:36] <nixternal> amarok does to, with a little force of course
[11:37] <nixternal> force of course sounds a little to much like horse of course
[11:37] <nixternal> and we all know what that is
[11:37] <nixternal> Mr. Ed!!!
[11:37] <nixternal> WILBURRRRR!
[11:37] <kwwii_> imbrandon: it probably does that right after sending the RIAA an email
[11:37] <nixternal> hahahahahhahaha
[11:37] <nixternal> roflmfao
[11:37] <nixternal> gahahaha
[11:37] <nixternal> pwnd
[11:37] <jdong> you took your medications, nixternal?
[11:38] <nixternal> that was funny, i dun car hooo u r
[11:38] <nixternal> </redkneck voice>
[11:39] <Hawkwind> nixternal: The page looks very nice IMO.  Lots of good info there
[11:39] <nixternal> thx Hawkwind
[11:40] <imbrandon> kwwii_, hahaha
[11:40] <imbrandon> wow movies and ipod games on itunes now too, and major ui improvements
[11:40] <imbrandon> wow, this is nice
[11:40] <Hawkwind> So everything is going back to the KDE blue, or is the purple staying ?
[11:40] <jdong> imbrandon: ooh! Windows media player 11! look at the pretty theme!
[11:40] <jdong> and look at vista!
[11:40] <jdong> shiny window borders!
[11:41] <nixternal> doh
[11:41] <imbrandon> ;)
[11:41] <jdong> oh fine, you're allowed to ogle your proprietary apps and I'm not? ;)
[11:42] <imbrandon> not windows, leaste mine are still *nix apps ;)
[11:42] <imbrandon> hehe
[11:43] <kwwii_> Hawkwind: the blue-purple version will probably be final
[11:43] <jdong> pfft *nix apps :)
[11:45] <jdong> yay! proper kdm shutdowns at the upstart level!
[11:46] <jdong> imbrandon: and oh yeah, I gave up on OpenSUSE about 15 minutes after my initial login
[11:46] <jdong> imbrandon: that's about how long I sat waiting for the updater to respond to me
[11:47] <imbrandon> lol
[11:48] <jdong> just unbelievable
[11:48] <jdong> I hope SLED10 is not that awful about its updater
[11:49] <jdong> I went on the mirrors and manually fetched the RPMs to update the updater(s), seeing if that would help
[11:49] <jdong> no good
[11:49] <jdong> most of the lag is (gasp) client side
[11:49] <jdong> spent in the zen updater mono code....
[11:49] <jdong> chews up 100% CPU for 15 minutes straight, 400MB or so RAM usage, and no results
[11:49] <jdong> I have bitched about yum before, but this is absurd :)
[11:50] <imbrandon> gnight kwwii_
[11:51] <danimo> kwwii_: splash?
[11:53] <jdong> hey, is there a vice-versa counterpart to the gtk2-qt engine?
[11:53] <jdong> is that coming to a qt4 near me?
[11:54] <danimo> jdong: one that themes kde according to the gtk style?
[11:54] <jdong> danimo: right; so you can use KDE stuff inside GNOME and have it blend in
[11:55] <danimo> jdong: well, I think it's up the gnome guys :)
[11:55] <danimo> jdong: technically it's not a problem I think
[11:55] <jdong> come on, that's a QT problem :)
[11:55] <danimo> it might be a pita though
[11:55] <GNUrante> good night! 
[11:55] <jdong> I've heard rumors that QT4 will have a GTK rendering backend
[11:55] <jdong> is that true?
[11:55] <danimo> jdong: well, all Qt 4.2 provides is a ClearLook stuff
[11:55] <danimo> no
[11:55] <jdong> k
[11:56] <danimo> only a clearlooks theme
[11:56] <jdong> ah, I see
[11:56] <jdong> more of the redhat metatheme approach
[11:56] <jdong> heh, I guess
[11:56] <danimo> everyone can write a metatheme
[11:56] <trappist> if I upload a fixy patch to, say, kde-guidance, is there somebody I should assign the bug to?
[11:56] <danimo> it's not like Qt was badly documented
[11:56] <_Sime_> trappist: to me.
[11:57] <trappist> _Sime_: done, thanks
[11:57] <danimo> I'm just not sure if it's possible to style Qt apps with the GTK style API as good as it works vice versa
[11:57] <trappist> _Sime_: bug 60309
[11:57] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 60309 in kde-guidance "kde-guidance displayconfig fails to load if laptop-detect is not installed" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60309
[11:58] <_Sime_> trappist: isn't this more of a packaging problem? (i.e. a missing dependancy?)
[11:58] <trappist> _Sime_: that's one approach
[11:58] <kwwii_> danimo: splash?
[11:58] <trappist> _Sime_: but maybe it shouldn't depend on it
[11:58] <danimo> kwwii_: you said you uploaded an animation
[11:58] <kwwii_> danimo: if you are reffering to the ksplash, the bg still needs to be changed
[11:58] <kwwii_> ahhhh
[11:58] <trappist> _Sime_: I don't have the python kung fu to be able to tell how much it's really counting on it
[11:59] <kwwii_> it is 70% uploaded
[11:59] <kwwii_> and in mov format
[11:59] <danimo> kwwii_: what is it?
[11:59] <kwwii_> so it does not work so well in linux
[11:59] <kwwii_> danimo: an animation with the kubuntu logo
[11:59] <kwwii_> light shining through it
[11:59] <kwwii_> although ti takes 14 hours to render it
[11:59] <kwwii_> so it might end up being something for the future
[12:01] <kwwii_> http://bootsplash.org/kubundu1309-fjpg75.mov
[12:02] <kwwii_> note that the video is at 1200x800 pixels but only 4.5 seconds long :-)
[12:07] <jeroenvrp> ok I want to go to edy
[12:07] <jeroenvrp> edgy
[12:08] <jeroenvrp> I remember that I have to do a dist-upgrade and a aselect update?
[12:09] <Hawkwind> Just change 'dapper' to 'edgy' in your sources.list and do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:09] <Hawkwind> But be forewarned, it's meant to be broken so things will break and it's not stable yet
[12:10] <jeroenvrp> Hawkwind: a not an aselect
[12:10] <Hawkwind> Huh ?
[12:10] <jeroenvrp> like between breezy and dapper
[12:11] <jeroenvrp> oh forget it