[12:10] <DonDma> CAN YOU TELL ME HOW CAN I GO SEE THE OTHER ROOMS?
[12:11] <DonDma> CAN YOU TELL ME HOW CAN I  SEE THE OTHER ROOMS?
[12:11] <Hawkwind> DonDma: /msg chanserv list
[12:11] <Hawkwind> DonDma: Stop repeating please and drop the caps too.   Thanks
[12:11] <cgj> bleh
[12:11] <DonDma> Yeah, it was only a mistake, sorry
[12:11] <Hawkwind> DonDma: You can also just type:  /list
[12:11] <cgj> lots of newbies here
[12:12] <aztun> woow a guru has gone
[12:12] <aztun> how sad I feel
[12:12] <heras> yeah, that'll teach those n00bs
[12:12] <admin__> hello!!!
[12:13] <admin__> hello
[12:13] <Hawkwind> admin__: If you are looking for web design help, try something like #Web or #Html or something similar
[12:13] <admin__> i am writing code html
[12:13] <heras> admin__ : http://www.w3schools.com/tags/ref_colornames.asp
[12:14] <ace_> is there a command to put ubuntu to an earlyer point
[12:14] <admin__> ok heras thank you
[12:15] <admin__> i try now
[12:15] <heras> admin__ : np :)
[12:15] <Admiral_Chicago> how can i stop using transparencies in XGL
[12:15] <Hawkwind> ace_: If you have daily backups you could.  But not something like a restore point in Windows
[12:15] <Admiral_Chicago> it's stuck in a mode where i fade stuff in and out
[12:15] <Admiral_Chicago> but i can't type or use the mouse
[12:15] <heinkel_111> well we don't ahve XGL in kubuntu yet for a reason :P
[12:16] <ace_> does ubuntu have a back up file when the os was installed
[12:16] <Hawkwind> Admiral_Chicago: Can't help ya there.  I've never touched XGL.  Have you asked in #Ubuntu-XGL ?
[12:16] <Admiral_Chicago> not yet but i was just curious
[12:17] <Admiral_Chicago> this channel is a little more...responsive than #ubuntu-xgl
[12:17] <Raven301> !dvd
[12:17] <ubotu> See http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html. Libdvdcss can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[12:17] <Hawkwind> Admiral_Chicago: Agreed.  I just don't know the answer for ya unfortunately
[12:17] <Admiral_Chicago> Hawkwind, its cool
[12:17] <Kubuntu> kubuntu rocks!
[12:17] <Kubuntu> nixternal is god!
[12:18] <Kubuntu> smile for a screenshot!
[12:18] <Kubuntu> ;)
[12:18] <Admiral_Chicago> Kubuntu, nixternal is pretty cool
[12:18] <Admiral_Chicago> he is in #ubuntu-chicago all the time, thats our team channel
[12:18] <Kubuntu> i am nixternal...now smile for a screen shot :)
[12:18] <admin__> but i need help about  how give color'text in the page? which element i have to use?
[12:19] <Martijn81> :D :D :D
[12:19] <cannonball> What's generally considered the best way to get wireless pcmcia working if the card's drivers aren't OSS?
[12:19] <Hawkwind> cannonball: ndiswrapper ?
[12:20] <Martijn81> was that good?
[12:20] <heras> admin__ : No clue here. I did a google search om html colout tags. Lots of info there
[12:20] <draik> I don't know what's missing, but I can't get my OpenGL screensaver to work. Any ideas on what I should be looking for?
[12:20] <cannonball> I'm gonna google around for a bit, but here's what I'm up against:  "02:02.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless LAN 2100 3B Mini PCI Adapter (rev 04)"
[12:26] <NthDegree> cannonball: Intel have opensourced a lot of drivers
[12:27] <cannonball> I'll look into that.  So far it looks like ndiswrapper is the way to go though.
[12:29] <linnuxxy> im getting "sudo: timestamp too far in the future" error coz i had changed the clock... how to get over it?
[12:39] <_ShoGo_> when is gonna edgy become stable?
[12:40] <Hawkwind> _ShoGo_: Next month is the due date
[12:41] <_ShoGo_> Hawkwind: and do u know if last flight is more or less stable?
[12:41] <_ShoGo_> I have to format and reinstall so I doubt between installing dapper or edgy flight 2
[12:42] <Hawkwind> _ShoGo_: Some things are, some things aren't.  I'd recommand staying with stable for now unless you're a developer or want things broken
[12:42] <_ShoGo_> well, for sure I'm not a developer
[12:42] <_ShoGo_> hehe
[12:42] <_ShoGo_> i will install dapper then and wait for the upgrade
[12:48] <DexterF> hi
[12:49] <lupine_85> hi
[12:49] <DexterF> talked a friend into trying kubuntu.
[12:49] <DexterF> thing is, I need a user guide for him like: how do I install w32codecs, how do I play dvds etc etc. the obnoxious stuff.
[12:50] <lupine_85> the wiki has that sort of stuff on, IIRC
[12:50] <DexterF> he wanted to try on is own without me interfering so he learns it, we're at the w32codec issue for 45min now
[12:50] <lupine_85> w32codecs is easy enough - just the PLF repos
[12:50] <lupine_85> well, assuming he's not trying it on x86_64
[12:50] <DexterF> that doesn't even mean a thing to *me*
[12:50] <lupine_85> !PLF
[12:50] <DexterF> nono, win32
[12:50] <ubotu> plf is the Penguin Liberation Front, see http://wiki.ubuntu-fr.org/doc/plf - mainly for i386 users with some packages for ppc
[12:51] <lupine_85> good bot
[12:51] <lupine_85> includes libdvdcss and w32codecs, IIRC
[12:51] <lupine_85> strictly illegal in the USA and most of the rest of the uncivilised world, but there you go
[12:52] <heras> er, didn't PLF quit?
[12:52] <lupine_85> still works here
[12:52] <DexterF> yes, I know - nut when I go "hey, try, is simple" - it better is
[12:52] <lupine_85> hehe :)
[12:52] <heras> ok, thought I read something to that effect.
[12:52] <lupine_85> should be fine
[12:52] <DexterF> lupine_85: the point is not adding a repos - he could do that. the point is gathering *which* repos
[12:53] <DexterF> as a a total n00b, how is he supposed to know
[12:53] <lupine_85> deb line is "deb http://packages.freecontrib.org/ubuntu/plf/ dapper free non-free"
[12:54] <lupine_85> the easiest way, of course, is to ask on IRC :)
[12:54] <lupine_85> or search the Wiki
[12:54] <DexterF> ok, semi-legal-windows-codecs is one of the major tripwires, admitted
[12:54] <Dannilion> since we have a weird mix of national and European laws here
[12:55] <lupine_85> TBH, it's unlikely to get one arrested
[12:55] <lupine_85> but no, they aren't legal, strictly speaking
[12:55] <lupine_85> civil rather than criminal offence though, IIRC
[12:57] <heras> DexterF: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[12:58] <DexterF> *I* am here on IRC - he doesn't IRC
[01:00] <jpiccolo> should i download wine from the repos or from there site?
[01:00] <DexterF> I pretended n00b and dig it up on google. tough. really.
[01:00] <DexterF> well, doesn't matter, he gave up. lost another one to bill :)
[01:00] <lupine_85> jpiccolo: always use repos where available
[01:01] <cps1966> he could do mandriva
[01:03] <trpr> DexterF: that sucks. i lost one too. people just want their stuff to work and when its not perfect, they give up.
[01:03] <razorX> hi
[01:03] <DexterF> similar here
[01:03] <lupine_85> well, it's free - how much can you expect? :)
[01:04] <lupine_85> then again, for your average desktop user, windows is free as well
[01:06] <trpr> lack of good ntfs support is a major obstacle..  i suppose i can understand not wanting to switch when you have hundreds of gigs on ntfs partitions
[01:07] <lupine_85> hopefully all these fines will convince MS to change their tune in that respect
[01:08] <heras> NTFS support is getting better
[01:08] <lupine_85> 2.6.17 has some safe write support
[01:08] <trpr> yeah. its all getting better.. really fast i might add
[01:08] <BluesKaj> ok, I have java downloaded and extracted it , and i've managed to open the dir in the terminal ,but I've forgotten the install command
[01:08] <lupine_85> as long as the total file size doesn't change at all! :D
[01:08] <heras> But dual booting is hasle with lots of overhead
[01:10] <cps1966> you could use vista for test dummy
[01:11] <lupine_85> only in the context of gaining a firearms license...
[01:11] <cps1966> pyrotechnis class 5
[01:18] <mike___> i have just installed ububtu ,Whats an easy way to install jre,w32 etc,,Is there a repo I can add to sources?
[01:18] <mike___> Ubuntu^
[01:18] <lupine_85> deb http://packages.freecontrib.org/ubuntu/plf/ dapper free non-free
[01:18] <mike___> cheers
[01:18] <lupine_85> PLF repos will give you w32codecs and libdvdcss
[01:22] <mike___> lupine_85: I like the nuvola theme,,nice
[01:29] <jimmy__> hey new user here and i have a question
[01:29] <DexterF> does PLF have the closed-src macromedia flash?
[01:30] <lupine_85> DexterF: there's an installer for it in the main repos
[01:30] <jimmy__> does anybody know how to install flash player 7
[01:30] <lupine_85> !swf-player
[01:30] <ubotu> swf-player: SWF (Macromedia Flash) player. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.6-0ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 32 kB, installed size 144 kB
[01:30] <DexterF> main? uh huh. happen to knwo the package name? there's quite a few
[01:30] <lupine_85> just install that, and it should do all the hard work for you
[01:31] <lupine_85> erm, main repos (to me) = any Ubuntu repository :)
[01:31] <lupine_85> as in, canonical repos
[01:31] <DexterF> would have suspected it to be non-free, hence not in the main repos
[01:32] <mike___> I cannot find "single click" option?
[01:32] <DexterF> we installed SWF (Macromedia Flash) PLayer, no go, at least in konq
[01:34] <lupine_85> hmm, that might be the Free SWF player
[01:34] <lupine_85> actually, yes it is
[01:34] <DexterF> i knwo a friend added an external repos for that. can't remember tho. google fu!
[01:34] <lupine_85> ok, search in adept for macromedia and see what shows up
[01:34] <lupine_85> !flash
[01:34] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:35] <lupine_85> here we are
[01:36] <lupine_85> install flashplugin-nonfree
[01:36] <cps1966> hell i gave up on dapper cause kdelibs would install
[01:36] <lupine_85> !info flashplugin-nonfree
[01:36] <ubotu> flashplugin-nonfree: Macromedia Flash Player plugin installer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 7.0.63.3ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 16 kB, installed size 136 kB (Only available for i386)
[01:36] <lupine_85> uninstal the other one first
[01:36] <larson9999> i'm waiting for the announcement that they're going to wait until version 10 to release a linux version
[01:36] <lupine_85> hehe
[01:36] <lupine_85> doessn't affect me really
[01:37] <cps1966> yeah it'll be old like before
[01:37] <DexterF> ah, !info :)
[01:37] <DexterF> just found it
[01:37] <DexterF> !info flashplugin
[01:37] <ubotu> Package flashplugin does not exist in any distro I know
[01:38] <DexterF> so that doesn't work...
[01:38] <lupine_85> !info flashplugin-nonfree
[01:38] <ubotu> flashplugin-nonfree: Macromedia Flash Player plugin installer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 7.0.63.3ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 16 kB, installed size 136 kB (Only available for i386)
[01:38] <lupine_85> get the name right :)
[01:38] <larson9999> heck, i only use it for my 5 year old's nickjr and other sites.  wine is improving quick enough that's it's not so bad
[01:39] <excitatory> does anyone know where to get aotuv oggenc debs for dapper?  i've been trying to compile from source, but with no luck..
[01:41] <lupine_85> and to test your brand-new flash, I suggest http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/frosty
[01:41] <lupine_85> and even if you haven't just installed flash - if you live in the UK, you should watch it anyway :D
[01:49] <tj_> ok i need help
[01:49] <tj_> i madde a website that is html
[01:49] <tj_> i added lots of html things but do u no of any advance html wording
[01:50] <tj_> i only no like paragraphs,music,videos
[01:50] <lupine_85> http:///www.jmarshall.com/
[01:50] <lupine_85> IIRC
[01:50] <tj_> i dont know how to like add blogs or forums or anything like advanced
[01:50] <tj_> is that link toi me?
[01:51] <Hawkwind> tj_: Yes
[01:51] <lupine_85> yep
[01:51] <Sanne> tj_: www.htmldog.com and also #css here on freenode
[01:51] <tj_> no hostname specified
[01:51] <Hawkwind> tj_: Also, for web design stuff you might try #Web or #HTML as those channels are geared more towards that stuff too
[01:52] <tj_> ill have to try those thanks
[01:52] <booby103944> hello
[01:52] <booby103944> can anyone tell me why kubuntu is doing this?.......
[01:52] <booby103944> ~$ sudo apt-get install synaptic
[01:52] <booby103944> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[01:52] <booby103944> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[01:53] <Hawkwind> booby103944: Do you have adept open when you do that ?
[01:53] <lupine_85> because you're using another package manager somewhere
[01:53] <lupine_85> oh
[01:53] <lupine_85> !pastebin
[01:53] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[01:53] <BluesKaj> ok, I have java downloaded and extracted it , and i've managed to open the dir in the terminal ,but I've forgotten the install command
[01:53] <rodri> hi, all
[01:53] <lupine_85> if you're not using another package manager, delete the lock file (/var/lib/dpkg/lock) - presumablt, it crasged at some point
[01:53] <lupine_85> erm, presumably and crashed ;)
[01:53] <Sanne> BluesKaj: isn't java in the repositories?
[01:54] <BluesKaj> ./install.sh doesn't work
[01:54] <BluesKaj> no this one is non free
[01:54] <Hawkwind> booby103944: You can't have adept or any other apt-get commands running at the same time
[01:54] <BluesKaj> i need it for azureus
[01:54] <booby103944> thank you
[01:54] <booby103944> ill try it again
[01:54] <BluesKaj> dinnertime ..bbl
[01:55] <mike___> jre available through any repo?
[01:55] <Riddell> multiverse
[01:55] <mike___> mmm cannot find it
[01:55] <trpr> i thought java was added to the repos. its something like sun-j2sdk1.5
[01:56] <Sanne> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java
[01:57] <Sanne> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=sun-java&searchon=names&subword=1&version=dapper&release=all
[01:57] <Sanne> there you go :)
[01:57] <rodri> sun-java5-jdk
[01:57] <rodri> isn't it?
[02:00] <booby103944> anyone use skype on the ubuntu?
[02:00] <cps1966> yes
[02:01] <booby103944> im a noob here, so here goes the questions
[02:02] <booby103944> sudo apt-get install skype
[02:02] <booby103944> doesnt work
[02:03] <booby103944> E: Couldn't find package skype
[02:03] <booby103944> ??
[02:03] <booby103944> cant get gkrellm
[02:03] <booby103944> ether
[02:04] <Hawkwind> booby103944: Skype isn't open source
[02:04] <booby103944> so i cant use it then?
[02:04] <mike___> booby103944: I have just installed it
[02:04] <mike___> goes fine
[02:04] <Hawkwind> booby103944: You can get it from a repo in debian though.  Not always wise to use Debian sources unless you know they are safe, which I have one that is
[02:04] <Hawkwind> booby103944: deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free
[02:05] <Hawkwind> booby103944: You could add that line to your /etc/apt/sources.list file
[02:05] <Hawkwind> booby103944: Then do: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install skype
[02:06] <booby103944> thank you
[02:06] <booby103944> what about gkrellm?
[02:07] <booby103944> its an open source, but i cant seem to apt-get it
[02:07] <Sanne> booby103944: if you want to know if some software is available precompiled for ubuntu, you can search for it at packages.ubuntu.com
[02:07] <booby103944> sudo apt-get install gkrellm
[02:08] <Hawkwind> booby103944: It's in the repos
[02:08] <Sanne> booby103944: you can also find out if you need to enable additional repositories (universe, multiverse...)
[02:08] <Hawkwind> booby103944: apt-cache search gkrellm
[02:08] <booby103944> thanks for the infor guys, sorry im such a noob on this
[02:08] <Hawkwind> !info gkrellm
[02:08] <ubotu> gkrellm: multiple stacked system monitors: 1 process [client] . In component universe, is optional. Version 2.2.7-5ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 388 kB, installed size 948 kB
[02:08] <Sanne> booby103944: no need to apologize, we've all been there sometimes :)
[02:09] <booby103944> thank you guys, for helping... i would love to throw my windows box out the window
[02:09] <Hawkwind> booby103944: Stick around and we'll get you to a point where you can do just that :)
[02:09] <booby103944> sweet
[02:09] <mike___> Ubuntu and multimedia,,,mmmm eerr
[02:11] <Sanne> booby103944: also check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ and https://help.ubuntu.com/ if you like, lots of helpful stuff there.
[02:12] <beemonk> other than gaim, are they any other good msn or aim clients around?
[02:12] <lupine_85> kopete :)
[02:13] <beemonk> hmm didnt really like it :/
[02:13] <lupine_85> aMSN?
[02:13] <lupine_85> never used that though
[02:13] <samiam010203> did you trry kmess?
[02:13] <beemonk> nice but, too much hassle for me to get truetype fonts installed
[02:13] <beemonk> i just switched from xp a week ago so im a noob still
[02:13] <Hawkwind> Gaim is probably the most updated and nicest looking IMO.  There is amsn and others I'm sure
[02:13] <beemonk> setting up tcl/tk and truetype fonts and smoking cannabis is VERY difficult
[02:14] <lupine_85> surely if you're smoking cannabis you don't need truetype fonts?
[02:14] <beemonk> you can get amsn to look very nice but....I've been using windows for 15 years, im handicapped
[02:14] <lupine_85> ;)
[02:14] <beemonk> hahaha
[02:14] <rodri> :D
[02:14] <beemonk> nah i still need true type fonts :(
[02:15] <GStubbs43> Hey does anyone know this?  I have both Gnome and KDE on my computer, is there an automated way to put only kde apps on the KDE menu, and only gnome apps in the gnome menu?
[02:15] <rodri> there are tutorials to set tcl and truetype fonts that are very easy
[02:15] <rodri> and long :(
[02:16] <beemonk> I downloaded Ubuntu....then had problems with gnome and decided to try out KDE....downloaded KDE, had an error with the install config, couldnt fix it, so i just downloaded Kubuntu instead :P
[02:16] <beemonk> robert__
[02:16] <beemonk> errr, rodri
[02:16] <beemonk> i followed them to the T
[02:16] <beemonk> obviously im an idiot :(
[02:17] <booby103944> ok, i guess im below a NooB now..... i dont understand how to install gkrellm
[02:17] <rodri> no, probably you follow the wrong tutorial
[02:17] <nnn0> forget gkrellm, try conky :D
[02:17] <rodri> I use one in spanish that works perfect
[02:18] <beemonk> i'll look back at my attempt in 6 months and laugh at myself
[02:18] <Hawkwind> booby103944: Have you enabled all of your repos ?
[02:18] <beemonk> booby103944
[02:18] <Hawkwind> !info gkrellm
[02:18] <ubotu> gkrellm: multiple stacked system monitors: 1 process [client] . In component universe, is optional. Version 2.2.7-5ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 388 kB, installed size 948 kB
[02:18] <beemonk> I dont know what gkrellm is
[02:18] <Hawkwind> booby103944: It's in multiverse
[02:18] <beemonk> what am i
[02:18] <rodri> you only have to copy/paste the commands
[02:18] <nnn0> !info conky
[02:18] <ubotu> conky: highly configurable system monitor for X based on torsmo. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.3.5-0ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 95 kB, installed size 316 kB
[02:18] <nnn0> ?
[02:18] <Hawkwind> Conky isn't for everyone :P
[02:18] <nnn0> k
[02:18] <nnn0> :)
[02:19] <Hawkwind> I don't particularly care for it myself, though it's not horrible or anything
[02:19] <nnn0> i like the clean design
[02:19] <nnn0> and transparency
[02:19] <Hawkwind> gkrellm is transparent too
[02:19] <nnn0> k
[02:19] <rodri> here is http://www.ubuntu-es.org/node/21285
[02:19] <Hawkwind> Or can be with a theme
[02:20] <booby103944> im going to go reg for this site, and then could some nice soul go in a privite room and talk me through it?
[02:20] <Sanne> wow, sourceforge is really slow again today (trying to go to conky.sourceforge.net so I can have a look)
[02:20] <booby103944> i will name my first born after ya
[02:20] <Hawkwind> booby103944: Just enable your repos and you can install it
[02:20] <Hawkwind> !repos > booby103944
[02:20] <Hawkwind> booby103944: Read the info the bot sent you in pm
[02:21] <booby103944> i will
[02:21] <booby103944> hank you
[02:21] <booby103944> thank***
[02:21] <hiro_p> Hi, everytime i try to compile something i get this message: "make: *** [default]  Error 2" can anybody help me please?
[02:24] <Hawkwind> hiro_p: What are you trying to compile, and is there not a prebuilt package already ?
[02:25] <hiro_p> i'm triying to installl some thinkpad related software
[02:25] <hiro_p> i didnt find any precompiled software
[02:25] <hiro_p> but i always get this error message, no matter what i try to compile
[02:26] <Hawkwind> hiro_p: Have you installed build-essential ?
[02:27] <hiro_p> Hawkwind: yes, i have build-essentials and binutils installed
[02:28] <hiro_p> Hawkwind: the whole error message http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23270
[02:29] <mewshi> hi
[02:29] <mewshi> i'm trying to get my broadcom bcm4318 to work
[02:29] <mewshi> could someone help me?
[02:30] <Hawkwind> hiro_p: Not sure on that one to be honest
[02:30] <Hawkwind> mewshi: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=185174
[02:30] <Hawkwind> mewshi: Have you read that URL ?
[02:32] <hiro_p> Hawkwind: thanks anyway
[02:33] <mewshi> it can't find bcm43xx-fwcutter
[02:35] <Sanne> mewshi: it's in universe
[02:36] <lupine_85> mewshi: generic firmware in http://www.lupine.me.uk/bcm43xx
[02:36] <lupine_85> the tar.gz, NOT the script
[02:36] <Sanne> lupine_85: why should mewshi not use the version from the universe repository?
[02:37] <lupine_85> because the file in question is the firmware itself, not the firmware cutter :)
[02:37] <lupine_85> it might not work,but there's a good chance it will
[02:37] <lupine_85> up to mewshi of cours
[02:37] <lupine_85> ...e
[02:37] <Sanne> lupine_85: oh, ok, thanks for the clarification :)
[02:38] <GStubbs43> How do you change the clock from 24-hr format to 12-hr format?
[02:39] <Sanne> GStubbs43: the clock on the tray of kubuntu panel?
[02:39] <GStubbs43> yup
[02:40] <Sanne> GStubbs43: richt click, Date & Time Firmat
[02:40] <Sanne> Format even
[02:41] <GStubbs43> Where do I go from Date & Time Format?
[02:41] <Sanne> GStubbs43: there should be a tab "Time & Dates"
[02:42] <booby103944> ok, im back.... anyone know why im getting this?
[02:42] <Sanne> GStubbs43: when you are there, you can click on the help button to get the available time format options.
[02:43] <GStubbs43> Thanks Sanne! Sorry for the easy question! :D
[02:43] <booby103944> Error writing /etc/apt/sources.list: Permission denied
[02:43] <Sanne> GStubbs43: you're welcome, and no need to apologize :)
[02:44] <CheeseBurgerMan> booby103944: use sudo (console editor) or kdesu (GUI editor)
[02:44] <booby103944> thank you ill try that
[02:45] <GStubbs43> Oh one other thing, what KDE version does Kubuntu 6.06 use? (by default) Is it 3.4.3?
[02:45] <Hawkwind> booby103944: Something like:  kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:45] <Hawkwind> GStubbs43: 3.5.2
[02:45] <Hawkwind> GStubbs43: Though 3.5.3 was uploaded later that night of release of Dapper
[02:45] <booby103944> OMG i feel like a kid with a new toy!!!
[02:45] <GStubbs43> Thanks Hawkwind
[02:46] <Hawkwind> GStubbs43: No problem
[02:46] <Hawkwind> booby103944: Hah!  I still get that feeling even after using linux for 5 years now
[02:46] <Sanne> GStubbs43: most KDE apps have help->about kde that says the version number of kde you're running.
[02:46] <renatim-br> how do I acces another HD from my ubuntu? how do I mount it? anybody could help me with this one?
[02:48] <earthsound> is there a repository that has a more recent version of kaffeine than 0.7.1?
[02:48] <GStubbs43> Ahh... thanks again Sanne
[02:48] <CheeseBurgerMan> GStubbs43: you can also run kded --version from the console.
[02:48] <Hawkwind> !info kaffeine
[02:48] <ubotu> kaffeine: versatile media player for KDE 3. In component main, is optional. Version 0.7.1-1.3ubuntu10 (dapper), package size 1528 kB, installed size 3748 kB
[02:48] <GStubbs43> and CheeseBurgerMan
[02:48] <GStubbs43> :-D
[02:48] <Sanne> GStubbs43: my pleasure :)
[02:48] <Hawkwind> !info kaffeine edgy
[02:48] <ubotu> kaffeine: versatile media player for KDE 3. In component main, is optional. Version 0.8.1-3ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 2087 kB, installed size 5264 kB
[02:49] <booby103944> ok guys, in the last hour i became fully aware why linux is by far the best OS out there, and thanks to you guys for all the help
[02:49] <Hawkwind> earthsound: Looks like the newer version is in Edgy, but not recommended you upgrade
[02:49] <skryking> heh
[02:49] <booby103944> i will def be helping the Linux groups out
[02:49] <booby103944> can we get a group hug now?
[02:50] <earthsound> Hawkwind: is the version in edgy only available if you're running Edgy? or can I install/run it from dapper?
[02:50] <CheeseBurgerMan> earthsound: you could try to download it from http://packages.ubuntu.com/ and installing it with dpkg -i, but it may have dependency problems.
[02:50] <skryking> i've been running some form of linux since about 94 or 95, and I'm still not convinced its best... :)
[02:51] <CheeseBurgerMan> skryking: but you've obviously not found it to be horrible, since you've been running it for over 10 years. ;)
[02:51] <Hawkwind> earthsound: I wouldn't recommend using versions in Edgy on Dapper.  It can and probably will break things
[02:52] <Sanne> earthsound: if you're adventurous, you could even get the source package from edgy and try to recompile it for your dapper. That way you minimise dependency issues.
[02:52] <skryking> cheeseburgerman, exactly :)
[02:53] <earthsound> Sanne: i suppose that would be the best route
[02:53] <Sanne> earthsound: yep, I think so too.
[02:54] <earthsound> I guess I had a misconception of adept...but I thought that that's what adept did: grabbed packages/sources, compiled them w/ specifics to your install...
[02:54] <earthsound> how far off base is that assumption?
[02:54] <skryking> earthsound, download a copy of vmware-server..its free now...install dapper on it and then test the edgy package on it...that way if it borks it....you don't have to worry about your main OS
[02:55] <earthsound> (I haven't played w/ any linux distros since gentoo a while back...and I'm not used to the watered down yet user friendly point and click interface of adept)
[02:55] <lupine_85> adept installs binary packages
[02:55] <Sanne> earthsound: adept installes binary packages. I don't know if adept can also download source and compile. But the command line too apt can do that.
[02:55] <Sanne> command line tool
[02:55] <earthsound> ah, I guess that's what I'll use then :)
[02:55] <trpr> earthsound: thats more accurate for a distro like gentoo. adept / apt deals primarily in binary packages (although those packages are created from source packages, which are also retrievable)
[02:56] <earthsound> brb...gotta put kids to bed
[02:57] <chozabu> hey, anyone know why there is no wine on the ubuntu64 repos, despite it being manually installable?
[02:57] <chozabu> not complaning, just kinda idily wondering...
[03:03] <Sanne> chozabu: there's no 64bit wine. While the 32bit version is installable, I think it is not an officially supported way of doing things.
[03:03] <larson9999> dang! i dropped my external usb drive with an hd inside and now it won't work.  it only fell the height of the computer tower and the floor is carpeted
[03:04] <lupine_85> glass....
[03:05] <Ertain> Crap.  I forgot how to unlock my pack database.
[03:08] <booby103944> anyone use kweather?
[03:10] <lupine_85> it's generally broken
[03:10] <cps1966> no its not you have to add more than on estation then it works
[03:11] <lupine_85> with only one station in my area, that's not a possibility :(
[03:11] <cps1966> well add another close by
[03:11] <cps1966> and choose yours
[03:13] <CraZy675> I got a 250gig external hdd, i've connected it and i've had mounting /dev/sbd1 forever
[03:13] <cloakable> I'm looking to switch to Kubuntu from Ubuntu. Is there any hidden files and folders in my home directory that can be safely deleted?
[03:13] <CraZy675> is there a way I can format this thing in ext3
[03:14] <CraZy675> its in fat 32 right now
[03:14] <cps1966> qparted can do it
[03:15] <CraZy675> got gparted open
[03:15] <CraZy675> why is it in fat32 and not ntfs?
[03:16] <cps1966> who knows
[03:17] <CraZy675> okay applying
[03:18] <Sanne> night all
[03:21] <CraZy675> ok i partitioned my drive half ext32 half fat32, how do I stop the fat32 partition from auto mounting?
[03:22] <CraZy675> its an external drive
[03:22] <lupine_85> CraZy675: add "noauto" to the fstab
[03:23] <CraZy675> i only want that for fat32
[03:23] <CraZy675> or ntfs
[03:26] <tyler_d> I cannot burn music using rythmplayer??? any ideas?
[03:29] <BluesKaj> k3b
[03:36] <stoic> hello everyone
[03:36] <wayne_> i installed a program but cant seem to find it on my consol or my menus now..... have i done something wrong?  program was kweather
[03:36] <CheeseBurgerMan_> wayne_: I believe it's a kicker applet.
[03:37] <wayne_> ok, not sure what that means
[03:37] <Telroth|School> kweather is a mini-app (applet) that runs in the kicker (taskbar)
[03:38] <saki> Anyone on that has a HP Deskjet F340 aio printer?
[03:38] <CheeseBurgerMan_> Not a problem. :) Right click on your taskbar, go to Add Applet... and then find  Kweather in the list.
[03:38] <Telroth|School> right click on blank space in the taskbar, select "add applet to panel" and then find kweather
[03:38] <Telroth|School> it's at the bottom
[03:38] <Telroth|School> then click "add to panel"
[03:38] <jpiccolo> how can i tell if i have video acceleration?
[03:38] <Telroth|School> jpiccolo, glxgears -info
[03:38] <Telroth|School> run that in a console
[03:39] <Telroth|School> if it reports fps > 50 or so, acceleration is likely
[03:39] <jpiccolo> GL_RENDERER   = GeForce 7900 GT/PCI/SSE2/3DNOW!
[03:39] <jpiccolo> no fps report
[03:39] <wayne_> thank you
[03:39] <Telroth|School> i get ~2000 fps on a nvidia geforce 5200fx
[03:40] <freddirkse> hi all.  anyone know a bit about software raid?  I upgraded my kernal and now my system won't boot...can't see the raid devices...
[03:40] <Telroth|School> jpiccolo, give it a bit, it makes a report every 5 seconds
[03:40] <Darkkish> hola
[03:40] <Darkkish> dhat?
[03:40] <Darkkish> ~2000 fps on a 5200fx?!
[03:40] <jpiccolo> i did, i outputs alot of stuff under GL_extensions
[03:41] <jpiccolo> but no fps report
[03:41] <CraZy675> ok so I got this external hdd partitioned but now it doesn't seem to mount
[03:42] <wayne_> anyone know what the program john is?
[03:42] <Telroth|School> wayne_, "man john"
[03:42] <Telroth|School> jpiccolo, below the stuff under the GL_extentions, it should print fps every 5 seconds
[03:43] <wayne_> thank you
[03:43] <Telroth|School> (at least mine is)
[03:43] <Telroth|School> you might try glxgears -fps
[03:43] <Telroth|School> as i've seen that used
[03:43] <Telroth|School> or glxgears -printfps
[03:44] <jpiccolo> 73488 frames in 5.0 seconds = 14697.570 FPS
[03:44] <jpiccolo> there we go
[03:44] <Telroth|School> :)
[03:44] <jpiccolo> i wonder if my sli is enabled
[03:44] <Telroth|School> you have glx acceleration
[03:44] <Telroth|School> i can't help you there
[03:44] <jpiccolo> yeah
[03:44] <Telroth|School> the lowly 5200fx doesn't have sli for me to play with
[03:45] <Telroth|School> (*saving for 7950GX2*)
[03:45] <jpiccolo> Cedega says i dont have opengl support
[03:45] <Telroth|School> jpiccolo, then you need to google the error message
[03:45] <Telroth|School> i don't have a copy of cedega to mess with
[03:45] <jpiccolo> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 169
[03:46] <Telroth|School> jpiccolo, does your xorg.conf have stuff for a wacom tablet on /dev/wacom in it?
[03:46] <Telroth|School> (brb)
[03:47] <jpiccolo> yes it does
[03:47] <jpiccolo> just take out the whole section?
[03:51] <royal> hi again
[03:51] <Telroth|School> jpiccolo, yes
[03:53] <royal> hi i'm just wondering two things: first off how do I create a Dual boot on this computer (the windows computer) secondly how do I install flight simulator (windows version) onto my linux PC?
[03:53] <saki> royal
[03:53] <royal> yes?
[03:54] <saki> to dual boot you must either a. Setup GRUB to recognize both partitions b. setup LILO
[03:54] <saki> because kubuntu uses grub we'll go with that
[03:55] <royal> k.  (this is just info for later btw... the flight simulator thing I would like to try tonight)
[03:55] <NeoSaki> When you install Kubuntu 6.06, GRUB should automatically be setup to see your Windows partition and setup for it, if not we will have to manually edit it...
[03:55] <NeoSaki> as for Flight Simulator, you will need to install Wine
[03:56] <royal> k
[03:56] <NeoSaki> !wine
[03:56] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[03:57] <earthsound> back
[03:57] <Darkkish> fayth
[03:57] <royal> k
[03:58] <VIC-20> sera
[03:58] <royal> is there a way to install wine from the outside? (like with a jumpdrive)
[03:59] <earthsound> how do I point apt-getto the edgy repository(ies) to grab kaffeine sources from edgy?
[03:59] <earthsound> *apt-get to
[03:59] <StevenX> guys. i have a question. i was using a system that use KDE as the default windows manager. I was able to download and install other window managers, such as xfce, etc.
[03:59] <StevenX> can i not just install the normal ubuntu and download kde for it?
[03:59] <cloakable> Yes
[03:59] <cloakable> You can
[04:00] <StevenX> cloakable: then why does kubuntu exist?
[04:00] <royal> for people that don't know how to do it?
[04:00] <StevenX> oh. ok
[04:00] <StevenX> thank you.
[04:01] <StevenX> ;-)
[04:01] <cloakable> StevenX: Because it makes it easier. You don't need to either have both GNOME and KDE on the same computer, or in the case of the server install, for people who don't have the technical knowledge to setup KDE from the command line
[04:01] <abattoir> StevenX: you can install normal kubuntu and get gnome for it too.. why does ubuntu exist :P
[04:02] <royal> btw is there a way to install wine from the outside? (eg jumpdrive)
[04:02] <NeoSaki> royal: Do you not have a linux computer with net abilities?
[04:02] <abattoir> StevenX: some people prefer their OS to come w/ KDE as the default DE, others GNOME... so it is to cater to both these markets
[04:02] <NeoSaki> royal: you can, but its a bit annoying...
[04:02] <royal> no I just have one internet connection, and the windows computer is using it
[04:03] <Darkkish> i installed a flash player plugin
[04:03] <Darkkish> and now it locks up Firefox
[04:03] <Darkkish> >.<
[04:03] <obf213> my printer doesnt work, it just spews out blank pages
[04:04] <Darkkish> i just want to see a stupid flash thing on my erm... *changes font to small* myspace
[04:04] <Telroth|School> Darkkish, sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree ?
[04:04] <Darkkish> yeah i did that
[04:05] <Darkkish> but it didn't even install anything
[04:05] <Darkkish> well it kinda did
[04:05] <Darkkish> but it didn't appear to work with firefox... or something
[04:06] <Telroth|School> Darkkish, sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla ?
[04:06] <gmgrigsby> hello all
[04:07] <magic-1> hi alls!!!
[04:07] <Darkkish> i don't have that telroth
[04:08] <Telroth|School> Darkkish, multiverse and universe enabled?
[04:08] <obf213> i disabled my wireless and plug in my ethernet and i lost my connect until i enabled my wireless again y is this
[04:09] <obf213> i just hotkeyed the wireless radio off
[04:09] <Gnelg> I am new to Kubuntu and new to kde so forgive my ignorance please, but is there a way to put what would be the same as a shortcut in windows of my Home Folder on the desktop?
[04:10] <Darkkish> Telroth|School,  yes
[04:10] <magic-1> mmm
[04:10] <obf213> plus i set up printer using printer wizard or w/e and all it does is make the pritner spew out blnk pages
[04:10] <obf213> Gnelg: system menu-> home folder
[04:11] <obf213> anyone know about the printer?
[04:11] <Gnelg> obf213, yes I have been attempting to drag and drop that one but it doesn't let me
[04:13] <AWOSDev> I need help with, well, anything.
[04:13] <AWOSDev> A CD of mine is going bad.
[04:13] <AWOSDev> Trying to read it on a M$ computer gives me "Cannot read from the source file or disk"
[04:13] <obf213> Gnelg
[04:14] <obf213> open konquerer
[04:14] <Gnelg> yes?
[04:14] <AWOSDev> dd and cat both say "/dev/hdc: Input/output error"
[04:14] <AWOSDev> How do I make dd or cat 'ignore' the I/O error?
[04:14] <fowlduck-> AWOSDev, try it on another CD-ROM
[04:14] <Gnelg> ok
[04:14] <AWOSDev> Like in the days of yore in DOS
[04:14] <fowlduck-> AWOSDev, -noerror
[04:14] <obf213> Gnelg enter this system:/
[04:14] <AWOSDev> fowlduck-, I already tried it in two other drives
[04:14] <fowlduck-> AWOSDev, iirc
[04:14] <obf213> then you can right click the home icon and copy to desktop
[04:15] <AWOSDev> dd: invalid option -- n
[04:15] <AWOSDev> cat: invalid option -- o
[04:15] <fowlduck-> lol
[04:15] <royal> alright how do you install Wine from the outside?
[04:15] <AWOSDev> cat: unrecognized option '--noerror'
[04:15] <obf213> anyone know how to set up  a printer
[04:16] <fowlduck-> let me look
[04:16] <AWOSDev> At my disc?
[04:16] <obf213> i set up mine but it just spews blank pages
[04:16] <AWOSDev> :)
[04:16] <obf213> or set up a printer/scanner
[04:16] <Telroth|School> obf213, did the test page print correctly?
[04:16] <obf213> i dont kow what correctely is
[04:16] <obf213> it did print some stuf
[04:16] <AWOSDev> obf213, when I first installed Linux it did that too
[04:16] <AWOSDev> obf213, then I realised, I was out of ink :)
[04:16] <fowlduck-> AWOSDev, man dd
[04:17] <Telroth|School> it's a page that has colors in top left, 1-degree radial lines in top right, and printer info in bottom half
[04:17] <AWOSDev> obf213, so the question is: Are you out of ink?
[04:17] <Darkkish> grr
[04:17] <obf213> no, because it printed stuff on the tes
[04:17] <Darkkish> i am having trouble installing flash player -_-
[04:17] <obf213> just soem random text
[04:17] <Telroth|School> Darkkish, i can't think of much to help you with right now
[04:17] <Telroth|School> Darkkish, does flash run fine in konqueror?
[04:17] <Telroth|School> OH
[04:17] <AWOSDev> conv=noerror, ahhh, thanks fowlduck-!
[04:17] <fowlduck-> AWOSDev, dd if=/dev/hdc of=./blah.img noerror
[04:17] <Telroth|School> Darkkish, is it running with artsdsp, but is arts not running ?
[04:18] <renatim-br> I need some help mounting a different HD here.... please!!
[04:18] <obf213> it worked with my windows comp i took th eusb plug it in my laptop and set it up and it just spewed out blank pages
[04:18] <Darkkish> flash doesn't appear in konq
[04:18] <Darkkish> and, freezes firefox
[04:18] <Telroth|School> obf213, have you printed a test page in linux ?
[04:18] <Gnelg> obf213, I did try that also but it copies about a gig of ogg files to the desktop inside the folder, I'm just kind of wanting a pointer to the folder rather than copying it
[04:19] <Telroth|School> Gnelg, right click -> create -> link to url
[04:19] <Telroth|School> click enter
[04:19] <Telroth|School> click enter
[04:19] <Telroth|School> right click-> properties
[04:19] <AWOSDev> fowlduck-, can I make it just give up easily?
[04:19] <Telroth|School> select icon and/or rename to "Home" if you want
[04:19] <AWOSDev> it sits *forever* at 1540096 bytes
[04:19] <AWOSDev> it's still there, even
[04:20] <AWOSDev> Also, when I tried to run fsck on it, it said it couldn't find 'fsck.iso9660'.  It wasn't in apt-cache search either, and Google gave me nothing.
[04:20] <timi> alright so anybody know wht the problem with my printer is?
[04:21] <AWOSDev> I don't know what 'M' to RTM. :)
[04:22] <Telroth|School> timi = obf213?
[04:22] <fowlduck-> AWOSDev, in one terminal do the dd, in another just use watch to watch the image filesize grow
[04:22] <timi> yes
[04:22] <timi> i got disconneced
[04:22] <Telroth|School> timi, kcontrol -> printers -> administrator mode -> enter password -> add -> printer/class -> local printer
[04:22] <fowlduck-> AWOSDev, it runs forever
[04:22] <timi> telroth i did that
[04:22] <AWOSDev> Well, fowlduck-, I'm kind of using ls -ld S2.img but watch works too :P
[04:22] <timi> and i set up  a printer, whenever i send the test page w/ that it is printed some junk
[04:22] <Telroth|School> did you print a test page from that wizard after selecting a driver?
[04:22] <fowlduck-> AWOSDev, otherwise, get a cd resurfacer, if it's that important
[04:23] <timi> junk as in legitamte words
[04:23] <Telroth|School> ah, if it's junk then pick a different driver
[04:23] <NthDegree> AWOSDev, just dd the CD
[04:23] <Darkkish> Telroth|School, it locks up firefox, and doesn't show up in Konq
[04:23] <Telroth|School> my printer had about 10 drivers
[04:23] <timi> like copyright and soome other stuff, when i send a documetn it spews out blank pages
[04:23] <Gnelg> Telroth|School: thanks
[04:23] <Telroth|School> i just tried each one until it worked
[04:23] <Telroth|School> Darkkish, is it running with artsdsp, but is arts not running ?
[04:23] <AWOSDev> NthDegree, um, I am dd'ing it?!
[04:23] <NthDegree> lol
[04:24] <NthDegree> then use error correction on it afterwards :)
[04:24] <earthsound> Darkkish: did you try http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash&P2_Platform=Linux&P3_Browser_Version=Netscape4
[04:24] <AWOSDev> Error correction?  Did I miss something in man dd or what!?
[04:24] <Telroth|School> earthsound, it's the same as what you get with flashplugin-nonfree
[04:25] <Telroth|School> Darkkish, try sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree --reinstall
[04:25] <NthDegree> AWOSDev, burn the image to a CD-RW using K3B in DAO mode a good few times
[04:25] <AWOSDev> NthDegree, I would if it would ever dd it.
[04:25] <timi> Telroth|School ahh so thats wht the test page is supposed to look like thanks
[04:25] <AWOSDev> I have a Konsole full of
[04:25] <timi> yeah i was using i guess the wrong driver
[04:26] <Darkkish> Telroth|School,  artsd is running fine
[04:26] <NthDegree> dd if=/dev/hdc of=cdimage.iso bs=100M
[04:26] <AWOSDev> dd: reading '/dev/hdc': Input/output errror; 3024+0 records in/out. 1.5MB copied, [increasing]  seconds.
[04:26] <NthDegree> hmmmm
[04:26] <AWOSDev> If I do it in blocks of 100M then won't it just error faster?
[04:26] <NthDegree> maybe
[04:26] <NthDegree> i have an idea
[04:26] <Telroth|School> ( Darkkish, i was asking because i know flash would freeze ion konq if i was using artsdsp with artsd disabled)
[04:27] <NthDegree> use K3B to do it (if it will let you)
[04:27] <Darkkish> it isn't freezing in konq
[04:27] <NthDegree> it may do things another way
[04:27] <AWOSDev> K3B?
[04:27] <Telroth|School> AWOSDev, cd burning software
[04:27] <Darkkish> its not apearing at all but konq still loads the page, the flash section just isn't showing
[04:27] <Darkkish> it locks up firefox though
[04:27] <AWOSDev> Why won't it just noerror like I told it to?
[04:27] <Telroth|School> Darkkish, try reinstalling it
[04:27] <NthDegree> K3B comes with Kubuntu
[04:27] <Telroth|School> Darkkish, try sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree --reinstall
[04:27] <Darkkish> i did that
[04:27] <Telroth|School> ok
[04:27] <AWOSDev> I thought K3B was a music CD tool, not data.
[04:27] <Telroth|School> hrm
[04:28] <Telroth|School> AWOSDev, k3b burns data/music to cd/dvds
[04:28] <Darkkish> hmm
[04:28] <Darkkish> now on my page
[04:28] <Telroth|School> it is one of *the* best burning utilities
[04:28] <Darkkish> it says flash still isn't installed
[04:28] <timi> !scanner
[04:28] <ubotu> Scanning software: XSane, the gimp, Kooka. For instructions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ScanningHowTo and to see supported hardware: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsScanners
[04:28] <AWOSDev> Well, um, dd got 16 more records (and it only took ~200 seconds)
[04:28] <Telroth|School> Darkkish, what version of flash is the one on your page?
[04:28] <NthDegree> Darkkish: grab it of the adobe site
[04:28] <AWOSDev> K3B it is!
[04:28] <Telroth|School> remember linux only has flash 7
[04:29] <Telroth|School> flash 8 and flash 9 files don't work
[04:29] <Darkkish> Telroth|School, i think it might be 9 -_-
[04:29] <NthDegree> they'll get around to fixing that
[04:29] <Darkkish> gaj;lrkgja;rlkj :(
[04:29] <Darkkish> get around too it
[04:29] <Darkkish> kinda like google getting around to moving thier stuff out of beta
[04:30] <AWOSDev> LOL why doesn't Google ever unbeta anything anyway?
[04:30] <NthDegree> then they aren't liable
[04:30] <AWOSDev> Ha that's almost funny.
[04:30] <NthDegree> they need not give tech support for anything marked BETA either
[04:30] <AWOSDev> K3b has detected your SONY DRU-710A and has set the burning speed to 48x automatically.
[04:31] <AWOSDev> COOOOOOOL!  It actually knows what it's doing!  That's a first with my CD-R and Linux experience.
[04:31] <AWOSDev> NthDegree, you mean XP?
[04:31] <NthDegree> no
[04:31] <NthDegree> XD :p
[04:31] <Darkkish> XD = Haha
[04:31] <Darkkish> like... >.<
[04:31] <Darkkish> but with a smiley
[04:31] <AWOSDev> Oh, I see it's kind of like a smiley
[04:31] <Telroth|School> NthDegree, they will? because i'd think they'd have upgrade linux to 8 after windows, not upgrade windows to 9
[04:32] <Telroth|School> brb
[04:32] <Darkkish> i don't care what people say
[04:32] <Darkkish> the internet runs better in XP
[04:32] <Darkkish> -_-
[04:33] <AWOSDev> Do I want 'normal copy' or 'clone copy'?
[04:33] <NthDegree> ZOMG how can you say that
[04:33] <AWOSDev> Better, what's the difference?
[04:33] <DaveQB> good Q AWOSDev
[04:33] <NthDegree> AWOSDev to do a normal copy, but from CD to Image File
[04:33] <DaveQB> i have always wondered this
[04:34] <NthDegree> DaveQB: I think Clone Copy is like CloneCD, for doing stuff that needs a near-exact copy
[04:34] <Darkkish> AWOSDev, it works right
[04:34] <AWOSDev> Uh, where's the 'CD to Image File' button?
[04:34] <NthDegree> 1 sec
[04:34] <AWOSDev> nvm
[04:34] <Darkkish> AWOSDev, firefox works better in MS than linux, it doesn't lag because of transperency
[04:34] <DaveQB> NthDegree so normal copy is not iso ?
[04:34] <AWOSDev> I found it
[04:35] <DaveQB> I have notice a 'normal copy' of an audio CD extracts the tracks rather then make an iso
[04:35] <AWOSDev> Darkkish, I was asking the difference between normal and clone, not MS and Linux
[04:35] <Telroth|School> AWOSDev,
[04:35] <Telroth|School> normal copy is like copy & paste
[04:35] <Darkkish> er
[04:35] <Telroth|School> clone copy does a bit-for-bit copy of the disk
[04:35] <Darkkish> that was ment for NthDegree
[04:35] <NthDegree> DaveQB: both modes are iso, but Clone Copy performs an "exact" copy, with massive ECC or anything
[04:35] <Telroth|School> preserving boot loaders and such
[04:35] <DaveQB> hmmmmm
[04:35] <Telroth|School> which is required for linux live-cds and such
[04:35] <NthDegree> Darkkish: uh you're using firefox?
[04:36] <DaveQB> Telroth|School thats somewhat how i thought
[04:36] <NthDegree> Darkkish:  using firefox in KDE is stupid, when konqueror works much better in KDE
[04:36] <AWOSDev> Ugh *every* time I run Firefox I have to restart to get all the memory and handles back
[04:36] <AWOSDev> Yuck!
[04:36] <Darkkish> -_-
[04:36] <Darkkish> wierd
[04:36] <AWOSDev> Now I Konquer the Internet :)
[04:36] <Darkkish> ii'll try konq for a while
[04:36] <Telroth|School> NthDegree, not true. Firefox has much better support of standards than konq
[04:37] <NthDegree> Darkkish: and go on some crack sites that try to exploit your PC too
[04:37] <AWOSDev> I only use Firefox for Flash pages, and I hate Flash so...
[04:37] <Telroth|School> if i need to use gmail i have to load up firefox
[04:37] <Darkkish> NthDegree, thats what noscript is for
[04:37] <NthDegree> then you'll see why it's better on linux
[04:37] <timi> does anyone know how to get a hp printer/scanner to work
[04:37] <NthDegree> Darkkish: noscript doesn't protect you from everything
[04:37] <Telroth|School> timi, have you tried all the drivers?
[04:37] <AWOSDev> timi, uh, the HP Linux Imaging and Printing System?
[04:37] <timi> telroth
[04:37] <timi> yeah i have the printer working
[04:37] <Telroth|School> ok
[04:37] <Darkkish> NthDegree, i'm 100% spyware and virus free, on both of my OS
[04:37] <Telroth|School> just need scannernow?
[04:38] <Telroth|School> * scanner
[04:38] <timi> and for the scanner i need to get hpoj
[04:38] <timi> which i got from adept
[04:38] <DaveQB> are there any scanner/printer/copy all-in-ones that work in Linux ?
[04:38] <NthDegree> Darkkish: that is impossible considering MS recently put spyware in XP
[04:38] <timi> now i dont know how to open hpoj or w/e
[04:38] <Darkkish> it doesn't have spyware from other companies -_-
[04:38] <NthDegree> Darkkish: alias:  Genuine Advantage Notification
[04:38] <AWOSDev> NthDegree, no way!  I didn't hear about that.
[04:38] <Darkkish> yeah yeah yeah
[04:38] <NthDegree> read up on it
[04:38] <Darkkish> i have
[04:38] <Darkkish> its stupid i agree
[04:39] <AWOSDev> Never heard of it.
[04:39] <NthDegree> it contacts MS every time you go on control panel or tries to
[04:39] <timi> for some resaon the descripitns in adept keep changine
[04:39] <AWOSDev> I use Windows XP on only one computer, my laptop, and only then it's literally once or twice a month, to play a Windows game.
[04:39] <NthDegree> AWOSDev: if you have a pirated XP with that on it gives a stupid prompt every 15 minutes and does other things
[04:39] <Darkkish> wow konq works 10000000000000 times better than FF in this
[04:39] <Darkkish> hmm
[04:39] <Darkkish> how well does FF work on gnome?
[04:39] <NeoSaki|Purgator> later guys, work calls
[04:39] <AWOSDev> Darkkish, don't even ask.
[04:40] <Telroth|School> Darkkish, same as in kde
[04:40] <NthDegree> Darkkish: it works a little better but not as well as Konq
[04:40] <AWOSDev> Bye NeoSaki!
[04:40] <Darkkish> boring
[04:40] <Darkkish> i like FF in windows
[04:40] <NthDegree> Darkkish: ephiphany is good in GNOME
[04:40] <Darkkish> it = the best browser
[04:40] <timi> AWOSdev wht is the hp thing your talking about
[04:40] <AWOSDev> Darkkish, I could tell you stories about Gnome that you wouldn't believe.
[04:40] <AWOSDev> timi,
[04:40] <Darkkish> mostly because of its customizability
[04:40] <AWOSDev> !hplip
[04:40] <ubotu> hplip: HP Linux Printing and Imaging System (HPLIP). In component main, is optional. Version 0.9.7-4ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 450 kB, installed size 1980 kB
[04:40] <Darkkish> like what AWOSDev
[04:40] <NthDegree> Darkkish: I disagree there since it has more vulnerabilities than other browsers in Windows
[04:40] <timi> awas dev i have that'
[04:40] <AWOSDev> Darkkish, even on my 1.6GHz / 512MB RAM it runs amazingly slow.
[04:40] <Telroth|School> timi, you're already probably using hplips for printing
[04:41] <timi> is ther a gui for it
[04:41] <Darkkish> in windows?
[04:41] <NthDegree> Darkkish: Opera is the ONLY fully patched browser in Windows
[04:41] <Darkkish> meh] 
[04:41] <Darkkish> i dislike opera
[04:41] <NthDegree> Hobbsee :-D
[04:41] <Telroth|School> NthDegree, ff > opera
[04:41] <Darkkish> i like firefox
[04:41] <Darkkish> you won't change my mind :(
[04:41] <Telroth|School> (in windows)
[04:41] <AWOSDev> timi, have you tried using Kooka?
[04:41] <timi> yeah it doesnt even let me select a scanner
[04:41] <AWOSDev> Opera's not bad, but it's kind of slow (and sucky, IMHO)
[04:41] <Darkkish> same
[04:41] <Darkkish> like  i said
[04:41] <AWOSDev> Darkkish, no in GNOME
[04:41] <Darkkish> oh
[04:41] <Darkkish> well
[04:42] <Darkkish> same as in windows really
[04:42] <Darkkish> anyways i like the customizability of FF
[04:42] <timi> i have downloaded hplip, hpoj , hpoj xo panel- which is supposed to let u see the the lcd of the printer but i dont no how to pen it
[04:42] <Darkkish> you can make it more secure and a nicer experience to use with all of the extensions
[04:42] <DaveQB> timi do you have an all-in-one thats Linux compatible ?
[04:42] <Darkkish> like adblock plus
[04:42] <Darkkish> and fliterset.g.updater
[04:42] <timi> DaveQB according to the wiki yes
[04:42] <AWOSDev> Darkkish, Windows FLIES compared to Gnome.
[04:42] <DaveQB> timi  URL ?
[04:42] <timi> i downloaded wht i needed from adept but  i dont know how to pen it
[04:42] <AWOSDev> I stand by KDE.
[04:43] <timi> !scanner
[04:43] <DaveQB> timi  kubuntu wiki ??
[04:43] <ubotu> Scanning software: XSane, the gimp, Kooka. For instructions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ScanningHowTo and to see supported hardware: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsScanners
[04:43] <Darkkish> KDE is pretty fast
[04:43] <Darkkish> wow myspace sucks
[04:43] <Telroth|School> kde flies
[04:43] <DaveQB> timi cheers
[04:43] <Search4Lancer> how can I change my AIM info in Kopete? I can't find it anywhere
[04:43] <Darkkish> i would seriosuly laugh if myspace permanantly died right now
[04:43] <Darkkish> i like GAIM lol
[04:43] <Telroth|School> kopete > gaim
[04:43] <NthDegree> Darkkish: XFCE is very fast compared to GNOME or KDE but is less functional
[04:43] <Darkkish> meh
[04:43] <timi> yeah i used that wiki DaveQB but i dont know how to open wht i just downloaded from apept
[04:43] <Telroth|School> i hate gtk apps
[04:43] <Telroth|School> i want to tear them all apart
[04:43] <Darkkish> lol
[04:43] <NthDegree> Telroth|School: mainly cause they lag right?
[04:44] <Telroth|School> rebuild them with qt
[04:44] <AWOSDev> * > GTK
[04:44] <Telroth|School> yes
[04:44] <Telroth|School> and the look like crap
[04:44] <Darkkish> lol
[04:44] <AWOSDev> Yes I agree
[04:44] <Darkkish> yeah but this doesn't look like crap
[04:44] <Telroth|School> *they
[04:44] <NthDegree> GTK 2 has been flagged as bloated and slow
[04:44] <AWOSDev> *oops, problem
[04:44] <Telroth|School> kopete ftw
[04:44] <NthDegree> and 1.2 looks worse than QT 2
[04:44] <Darkkish> what multi-network client do you guys suggest
[04:44] <Search4Lancer> well Telroth|School if you think kopete is so great, tell me how to see/change my AIM info
[04:45] <AWOSDev> Problem while reading.  Retrying from sector 768.
[04:45] <DaveQB> kopete does have some short comings to Gaim, but intergrates well
[04:45] <Telroth|School> Search4Lancer, like profile?
[04:45] <DaveQB> and looks prettier :)
[04:45] <NthDegree> Search4Lancer: like Global Profie
[04:45] <NthDegree> Profile*
[04:45] <Search4Lancer> yes..... but for AIM it's called info
[04:45] <Telroth|School> DaveQB, gaim doesn't have a front-end to skype ;)
[04:45] <timi> can someone help me open a program i just downloaded
[04:45] <timi> from adept
[04:45] <Telroth|School> Search4Lancer, you have to edit that on aim i think
[04:46] <DaveQB> Telroth|School  do tell ......
[04:46] <AWOSDev> You know, I've even gone over to plain #Ubuntu and converted a couple of people to Kubuntu.  :)
[04:46] <DaveQB> timi  what was it ?
[04:46] <AWOSDev> I love KDE.
[04:46] <Telroth|School> timi, which <programname>
[04:46] <DaveQB> timi  not in Kmenu ?
[04:46] <timi> hpoj-xojpanel
[04:46] <DaveQB> AWOSDev  really ?? lol
[04:46] <Telroth|School> that doesn't work when typed in command line?
[04:46] <AWOSDev> Yep
[04:46] <DaveQB> timi  tried hpoj<TAB> ?
[04:46] <AWOSDev> He wanted panel transparency and GNOME didn't offer that.
[04:46] <Darkkish> gaim looks prettier than kopete IMO and its easier to use
[04:46] <Search4Lancer> if Kopete wasn't so damn stupid as to not let me have myself on my contact list, I could actually see if I even have any info...
[04:47] <DaveQB> AWOSDev  love ya work ;)
[04:47] <timi> DaveQB
[04:47] <Telroth|School> Search4Lancer, why do you need to be on your own contact list?
[04:47] <AWOSDev> :)
[04:47] <timi> what is hpoj<Tab>
[04:47] <Telroth|School> i can see this particular instance
[04:47] <timi> is that for konsole?
[04:47] <Telroth|School> but overall it's not effective
[04:47] <Telroth|School> timi, yes
[04:47] <NthDegree> AWOSDev: are you a KDE developer by any chance?
[04:47] <Telroth|School> but <TAB> is the tab key
[04:47] <AWOSDev> Not even close.
[04:47] <DaveQB> what they said ^ :)
[04:47] <DaveQB> timi
[04:48] <timi> syntax erra is wht it said
[04:48] <Telroth|School> Darkkish, gaim looks like crap, because it's gtk
[04:48] <NthDegree> GNOME Developer telling the truth? XD
[04:48] <Telroth|School> it does have a few extra features
[04:48] <AWOSDev> I have made, uh, one Linux app, and it segfaulted.
[04:48] <AWOSDev> NthDegree, LOL!
[04:48] <NthDegree> dd
[04:48] <NthDegree> ?
[04:48] <Search4Lancer> Telroth|School, why not? I've had myself on my contact list for years.... it's just convenient. Anyway, I just went to AIM.com, and apparently they have a version for Linux? anyone try that before, know how it is?
[04:48] <NthDegree> because dd segfaults after it does it's job it's funny :)
[04:48] <timi>  hpoj<Tab>
[04:48] <timi> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'
[04:48] <Telroth|School> Search4Lancer, i haven't tried it, but i hate individual clients
[04:48] <DaveQB> timi  you hit the TAB key ?
[04:48] <DaveQB> timi  not enter
[04:49] <AWOSDev> NthDegree, it was a program to read IDE information from the hard drive.  I still don't know why I can't inb.
[04:49] <NthDegree> Search4Lancer: unless you are crazy and want to make linux insecure
[04:49] <Telroth|School> Search4Lancer, i'd end up with about 6 im clients, each loaded with adware which bogs down my system and eats my memory
[04:49] <NthDegree> Search4Lancer: AIM/MSN/Yahoo all contain adware
[04:49] <timi> Dave a whole bunch of stuff came up
[04:49] <DaveQB> anyone used the Yahoo client ?
[04:49] <DaveQB> timi  anything like what your after ?
[04:50] <Darkkish> lol i can't install the yahoo client on my windows computer
[04:50] <Darkkish> er
[04:50] <Darkkish> OS
[04:50] <Darkkish> it looks like it works
[04:50] <Darkkish> but the moment you right click it shuts off with no warning
[04:50] <Darkkish> only does it on this comp
[04:50] <Darkkish> not on others
[04:50] <timi> no
[04:50] <DaveQB> yahoo alient on Linux i mean
[04:50] <timi> i wonder why adpet just doesnt bput things in menu
[04:50] <AWOSDev> timi, Have you tried 'whereis hpoj-xojpanel'?
[04:50] <DaveQB> timi dpkg -L <packagename>
[04:50] <timi> no letme try athat
[04:51] <AWOSDev> Fatal error reading sector 810.
[04:51] <DaveQB> timi  that will list all its files, look for files in a bin file or sbin even
[04:51] <timi> it listed no files
[04:51] <timi> i just got hpoj-xojpanel:
[04:51] <DaveQB> timi wrong package name then
[04:51] <AWOSDev> timi, actually, try sudo dpkg -L <packagename> | grep bin
[04:51] <DaveQB> AWOSDev  i was working up to that ;)
[04:52] <AWOSDev> Yeah but you didn't 'sudo'
[04:52] <DaveQB> I think timi  will have trouble with the packagename
[04:52] <DaveQB> oh yeah
[04:52] <AWOSDev> No, the package name really is 'hpoj-xojpanel'
[04:52] <DaveQB> i use root, i forgot to add that
[04:52] <DaveQB> oh ok
[04:52] <AWOSDev> I just apt-cached search'ed for it
[04:52] <AWOSDev> timi: sudo dpkg -L hpoj-xojpanel | grep bin
[04:52] <DaveQB> oh okee, i was loggin into to home to try myself actually
[04:53] <AWOSDev> Retrying from Sector 832.
[04:53] <AWOSDev> You know, I think this disc is dunzo.
[04:53] <timi> ok its in usr/bin/xojpanel
[04:53] <Telroth|School> AWOSDev, how big is it?
[04:53] <timi> i can just put that into run no?
[04:53] <DaveQB> timi  so run xojpanel
[04:53] <AWOSDev> Uh, ~623MB?
[04:53] <Telroth|School> timi, type "xojpanel"
[04:54] <DaveQB> or even smply xojp<TAB>
[04:54] <DaveQB> that should complete it for you
[04:54] <AWOSDev> No no no no more tabs!
[04:54] <DaveQB> lol
[04:54] <Telroth|School> AWOSDev, bah, that's not worth the effort :P
 <TAB> <TAB> <TAB> <TAB> <TAB> <TAB>
[04:54] <DaveQB> I tab everything
 <TAB> <TAB> <TAB> <TAB> <TAB> <TAB>
[04:54] <Telroth|School> :P
[04:54] <AWOSDev> I type everything by hand
[04:54] <AWOSDev> even IRC nicks
[04:54] <Telroth|School> ctrl+tab, alt+tab...
[04:54] <timi> meh i ran it but nothing happened
[04:54] <Telroth|School> see
[04:55] <AWOSDev> Now I *DO* use Alt+Tab
[04:55] <DaveQB> i am a bad speller :)
[04:55] <Telroth|School> it's people like appolusionist that make me tab
[04:55] <Telroth|School> or BluDog_Anchorite
[04:55] <AWOSDev> :P
[04:55] <AWOSDev> ROFl
[04:55] <timi> ran it in console i got all this failed to open device junk
[04:55] <Telroth|School> or MaterMaravillae
[04:55] <Telroth|School> noaXess_kubuntu even
[04:55] <AWOSDev> timi, it's still loading, wait a minute
[04:55] <Telroth|School> timi, use sudo
[04:56] <AWOSDev> Ignoring read error in sector 833.
[04:56] <BluDog_Anchorite> uh, did someone need something ?
[04:56] <Telroth|School> oh
[04:56] <Telroth|School> sorry BluDog_Anchorite
[04:56] <DaveQB> well my lunch break is up.....
[04:56] <AWOSDev> :P
[04:56] <DaveQB> lol  I was waiting for a bunch of people to wake up
[04:56] <timi> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
[04:56] <AWOSDev> timi, that's normal
[04:56] <AWOSDev> that happens on my computer *all* the time
[04:56] <DaveQB> i get that error all the time, i have no idea
[04:56] <Erich-K> Hello
[04:56] <AWOSDev> I'm thinking it's almost *supposed* to do that
[04:56] <DaveQB> lol
[04:56] <Telroth|School> BluDog_Anchorite, AWOSDev was saying he types iRC nicks in by hand, i was using you as a reason i use tab completion ;)
[04:57] <timi> true but norammly something opens
[04:57] <DaveQB> and if it doesnt AWOSDev  ? you'd be  woried ?
[04:57] <timi> ailed to open device
[04:57] <timi> Failed to open device ""!
[04:57] <AWOSDev> Yeah, I'd probably reconfigure X :P
[04:57] <abattoir> timi, DaveQB, AWOSDev: http://www.linuxfordummies.org/index.php?PHPSESSID=94a045f7057cbba9b48514dbf396d626&topic=581;prev_next=next
[04:57] <Erich-K> When there is a txt file on my desktop, the icon for it is a preview of the text, even if i set an icon, it shows the example. Any way to turn that off?
[04:57] <AWOSDev> Are you calling us dummies?
[04:57] <AWOSDev> :)
[04:57] <abattoir> heh
[04:58] <AWOSDev> Oh, Telroth|School, you were asking how big my disc is.  It's ~620MB
[04:58] <DaveQB> Erich-K Konqueror has a umm animate button that you can try, might effect the desktop
[04:58] <Telroth|School> Erich-K, give me a moment
[04:58] <timi> abbatoir will that make a difference to whether or not the program runs
[04:58] <Telroth|School> Erich-K, i know you can disable it for all of a specific file type
[04:58] <Telroth|School> is it just one file or all of a filetype ?
[04:59] <Erich-K> all txt files
[04:59] <Telroth|School> Erich-K,
[04:59] <abattoir> timi: nope.. it has no effect at all, just an unnecessary output which misleads people
[05:00] <Telroth|School> Erich-K, kcontrol -> desktop -> behavior -> file icons tab -> uncheck "Text Files" -> apply -> close kcontrol
[05:00] <AWOSDev> Telroth|School, why did you want to know how big my disc is?
[05:00] <AWOSDev> Telroth|School does it really make that much of a difference?
[05:00] <Telroth|School> AWOSDev, i wanted to know if it was worth saving if it had a bad sector
[05:00] <Telroth|School> :P
[05:00] <Erich-K> Telroth|School: Ahh, that's it. Thanks alot :)
[05:00] <timi> abbatoir ic so it would help explain why my program isnt opening then would it
[05:00] <AWOSDev> Error @ sector 833
[05:01] <Telroth|School> yw Erich-K
[05:01] <AWOSDev> Telroth|School, it's a commercial disc and I don't want to pay another $30-$50 for a new one.
[05:01] <Telroth|School> timi, it wouldn't
[05:01] <Telroth|School> AWOSDev, oh
[05:01] <abattoir> timi: no as i said it has nothing to do with your program not opening
[05:01] <abattoir> timi: which program?
[05:01] <AWOSDev> Dr_Willis!  The dd master!
[05:01] <Telroth|School> AWOSDev, i thought you were talking about a harddrive
[05:01] <Dr_Willis> Moo
[05:02] <timi> hpoj-xojpanel
[05:02] <Telroth|School> gnight all
[05:03] <AWOSDev> Dr_Willis, I have a bad CD and was wondering if dd can recover it.
[05:04] <abattoir> timi: what command did you use to open it? are there any other messages output?
[05:04] <AWOSDev> K3b reports 'unrecoverable' errors for sectors 810,833,858, and it keeps counting
[05:04] <AWOSDev> it's a commercial CD (for SimCity 4 Deluxe)
[05:04] <AWOSDev> So rather than paying $50 for a new one, is there *any* way to recover the data?
[05:04] <timi> abbattoir: i used xojpanel
[05:04] <Dr_Willis> AWOSDev,  you mean scratches on it?
[05:04] <LeeJunFan> AWOSDev: you might be able to get some files off it but parts of it will be lost forever.
[05:04] <Dr_Willis> $50?    you got ripped off.
[05:05] <AWOSDev> Yes, lots of scratches from what I believe is my Laptop's CD drive
[05:05] <timi> and besides the to error is says failed to opend device twice
[05:05] <Dr_Willis> gee.. how about getting a torrent of it :P and finding a no-cd crack
[05:05] <timi> the second time i think its failed to open device!!
[05:05] <LeeJunFan> I read on /. that using hair gel to "polish" the scratches might work.
[05:05] <AWOSDev> No, I said it would be $50 *NOW*
[05:05] <Tonren> Guys, every time I install kubuntu-desktop it clobbers GNOME.  I can't login anymore and I have to drop into TTY1 to uninstall kubuntu-desktop to be able to login again
[05:05] <Dr_Willis> and an even bigger rip off. :P
[05:05] <AWOSDev> It was $35 on sale when I got it for Xmas...
[05:05] <abattoir> even Brasso works :)
[05:05] <Telroth|Sleep> Tonren, try sudo apt-get install gnome kubuntu-desktop
[05:06] <jpiccolo> i run kubuntu and its fine
[05:06] <jpiccolo> though i dont have gnome installed
[05:06] <AWOSDev> Hair gel?!
[05:06] <LeeJunFan> AWOSDev: yeah.
[05:06] <Tonren> Telroth|Sleep: I don't get it... don't I already have GNOME, or is it a metapackage?
[05:06] <AWOSDev> Well I guess the disc is already dead, it won't hurt it
[05:06] <LeeJunFan> AWOSDev: it's clear and has the right viscosity to stay where you put it.
[05:06] <intelikey> Tonren try not installing kubuntu-desktop on top of ubuntu-desktop.   try kde insted
[05:06] <Telroth|Sleep> Tonren, that tells apt-get to resolve packages so both can be installed at once
[05:06] <AWOSDev> Am I IIRCing that if you like, move or tilt a laptop while it's reading the disc it could scratch it?
[05:07] <Dr_Willis> AWOSDev,  or better.. go buy one of those cd polisher machines.
[05:07] <AWOSDev> Oops, error at 861.
[05:07] <Darkkish> that was odd
[05:07] <Darkkish> anyways as i was saying
[05:07] <Dr_Willis> AWOSDev,  shouldent.. the laptop drive has little 'detents' that hold the cd in
[05:07] <Telroth|Sleep> AWOSDev, what disk is it?
[05:07] <Darkkish> my dads friend jsut called
[05:08] <AWOSDev> SimCity 4 Deluxe
[05:08] <Darkkish> and apernently got a shitload of spyware on his windows system
[05:08] <Darkkish> i mean TONS
[05:08] <LeeJunFan> hair-gel for scratched CD's/DVD's:       http://www.om3ga.co.uk/2006/07/27/scratched-cds-no-problem/
[05:08] <timi> does anybody in here use and hp printer/scanner and want to tell me how they got  it or any of the hp tools from adept to open/work
[05:08] <Telroth|Sleep> AWOSDev, as long as you legitmately bought the CD, i'll suggest bittorrent
[05:08] <AWOSDev> I use an HP printer but not scanner
[05:08] <Dr_Willis> http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3436100/Simcity_4_Deluxe
[05:08] <Dr_Willis> :)
[05:08] <Telroth|Sleep> :)
[05:08] <actinic> sudo nvidia-xconfig or sudo nvidia-glx-config enable <--- which one to enable nvidia driver?
[05:09] <AWOSDev> I'd kind of like to stear clear of the, um, undesireables
[05:09] <Dr_Willis> and i always reccomend the no-cd cracks
[05:09] <Telroth|Sleep> either, though i've tested first
[05:09] <Telroth|Sleep> AWOSDev, you own a copy, i don't really count it as undesireable ;)
[05:09] <Tonren> intelikey: So instead of aptitude install kubuntu-desktop, just aptitude install kde?
[05:09] <intelikey> timi hps 750 here.   had to run kde as root to set it up tho.
[05:09] <Telroth|Sleep> Tonren, yes
[05:09] <intelikey> Tonren yes
[05:09] <Tonren> Also, does anyone know how to get the Ubuntu bootup/shutdown artwork back after installing/uninstalling kubuntu-desktop?
[05:10] <timi> err i c
[05:10] <timi> intelikey do you use hplip or anything hpoj
[05:10] <timi> any kind of gui for the printer scanner
[05:10] <intelikey> hpoj  yes
[05:10] <Dr_Willis> dare i point out that amazon.com has simcity4 deluze for  $20
[05:10] <timi> intelikey how do you open hpoj
[05:11] <timi> because for some reason i cant open hpoj i have it downloaded and everything it jsut does seem to open/work
[05:11] <intelikey> system > printing > hps-750
[05:11] <AWOSDev> That's funny
[05:11] <earthsound> what's the command to run to refresh the k menu after installing a package?
[05:11] <AWOSDev> LeejunFan, that link is very funny
[05:12] <AWOSDev> "I rubbed it in, and it sort of worked. The XBox loaded the CD, and played it, but it was really crackly and noisy. So it kind of worked, but Caleb sounded pissed off and sort of like a monster."
[05:12] <timi> intelikey: system settings?
[05:12] <intelikey> no system   menu
[05:12] <AWOSDev> earthsound, there is no command to refresh like Windows.  It automatically refreshes.  If it isn't in there, you need to add it yourself.
[05:12] <timi> intelikey its not in the system menu
[05:13] <earthsound> AWOSDev: no, I'm sure there is a command to do it, I just forgot what it was :|
[05:13] <LeeJunFan> earthsound: actually there is - kbuildsycoca
[05:13] <timi> could that be my problem
[05:13] <intelikey> i'd have to go to the shop to look at that, timi but i'm pretty sure that's where it is on that box.
[05:13] <earthsound> LeeJunFan: thanks. you'd think that after using it so much that I'd know it by now
[05:13] <intelikey> timi could be.
[05:14] <omar> How everybody
[05:14] <omar> hello
[05:14] <omar> guys can I ask you a quest?
[05:14] <AWOSDev> Yeah, go ahead.
[05:14] <intelikey> timi  sudo update-menu*   and see if you can find it.
[05:14] <omar> look, I have a P4 128 RAM, and my openoffice is too slow
[05:14] <omar> really
[05:15] <Kiongku_> hey anyone knows how to play .dat video files?
[05:15] <AWOSDev> Omar, can I ask you a Q?
[05:15] <omar> just use open with
[05:15] <omar> in the menu
[05:15] <omar> yes sure
[05:15] <AWOSDev> Omar, what is a P4 doing with only 128MB RAM?
[05:15] <omar> pentum
[05:15] <omar> pentium IV
[05:15] <Kiongku_> hmm
[05:15] <AWOSDev> Go upgrade immediately!  A P4 should have bare minimum 512MB.
[05:15] <intelikey> AWOSDev why not ?
[05:16] <timi> !scanners
[05:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about scanners - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:16] <AWOSDev> Yes Omar I know what a P4 is
[05:16] <LeeJunFan> omar: 128M of ram is pretty light to use with KDE and openoffice together.
[05:16] <timi> !scanner
[05:16] <jmichaelx> earlier on some P4 boxes came with only 128MB
[05:16] <ubotu> Scanning software: XSane, the gimp, Kooka. For instructions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ScanningHowTo and to see supported hardware: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsScanners
[05:16] <omar> look , Microsoft office, was pretty fast, I love Linux but my open office is very very slow
[05:16] <intelikey> AWOSDev "A P4 should have bare minimum 512MB."   i call bs.
[05:16] <AWOSDev> I've never seen a *genuine* P4 with only 128MB.  Sure a Celeron maybe but not a genuine P4.
[05:16] <Dr_Willis> You are the first person that ive seen say "microsoft office, and fast" together. :P
[05:16] <LeeJunFan> omar: sad to say openoffice is slower, that's all there is to it, and it's going to be slower than office, espcially at startup time.
[05:17] <omar> he he
[05:17] <omar> I mean faster than openoffice now, pls what to do
[05:17] <Dr_Willis> i tend to use abiword for 99% of my wordprocessing needs
[05:17] <actinic> sudo nvidia-xconfig or sudo nvidia-glx-config enable <--- which one to enable nvidia driver?
[05:17] <AWOSDev> You're wasting the investment in a P4 by only having 128MB, intelikey
[05:17] <earthsound> if you have little RAM, look at other tools besides oo
[05:17] <AWOSDev> Just go grab a Celeron or P2 even
[05:17] <Dr_Willis> there was that  precache or somthing  people were messing with  a year or 2 ago.. :P
[05:17] <omar> look that's why I started talking about my PC, I think that's the problem
[05:18] <jmichaelx> i was probably wrong about that... a lot of P4s shipped with 256MB, not 128
[05:18] <LeeJunFan> Dr_Willis: yeah, but you have to have enough ram to precache it :)
[05:18] <AWOSDev> To be fully honest I use VI for 99% of my word processing needs :)
[05:18] <Dr_Willis> LeeJunFan,  this did somthing with the libs.. not the ram
[05:18] <Kiongku_> just add ram ...
[05:18] <Dr_Willis> LeeJunFan,  i forget what it was called..  but it was supposed to help.
[05:18] <LeeJunFan> Dr_Willis: ah, you mean prelinking
[05:18] <omar> look i wanna know if I can do somthing
[05:18] <Dr_Willis> thats it. :P
[05:18] <earthsound> omar: have you tried KWord?
[05:18] <Dr_Willis> and i alwo heard it can break things. :P
[05:18] <omar> to make my oppenoffice faster
[05:19] <LeeJunFan> Dr_Willis: yeah, I prelinked a bunch of stuff just today.
[05:19] <AWOSDev> Omar, the only thing you can do is buy more RMA.
[05:19] <AWOSDev> *RAM
[05:19] <earthsound> omar: oo is a memory hog; 128MB is not enough to please it
[05:19] <jmichaelx> staples here in town had 256MB SDRAM sticks on sale recently for $29 (after $10 mail-in)
[05:19] <omar> ok , thank you very much
[05:19] <AWOSDev> Oooooooohhh was that PC133?
[05:19] <jmichaelx> 100/133
[05:19] <jmichaelx> yup
[05:19] <omar> I heard about a memory trick for it
[05:19] <AWOSDev> Staples FTW!
[05:20] <earthsound> omar: which components of Open Office do you use most?
[05:20] <omar> BUt I am in Peru, you know shipping is gonna be like 30 bucks more
[05:20] <omar> calc
[05:20] <AWOSDev> I have ~4 computers that need 100 or 133 memory.  I need all in all about 2-3GB for all of them together.
[05:20] <Erich-K> How can i change the shortcut text color?
[05:21] <jpiccolo> anyone here running Cedega?
[05:21] <intelikey> AWOSDev i know oo is a ram hog  but really,  a p4 or k8 or what ever can use 128m better than a p-duce   what's your deal with ram anyway.  i run kde on ubuntu  in a box with a p1 100mhz and 64m ram with no swap.     give me a break!  blah should have minimun of....    sheeze
[05:21] <Dr_Willis> jpiccolo,  i do at times.
[05:21] <jmichaelx> AWOSDev: if you have a staples near you, you should ask them. they had 128MB sticks for $19 (after rebate)
[05:22] <jpiccolo> Dr_Willis, what kernel are you running, and video card?
[05:22] <omar> Calc and presentation, earthsound
[05:22] <Dr_Willis> jpiccolo,  the one thats with ubuntu dapper.. and a nvidia 6800
[05:22] <jmichaelx> i do tend to agree with intelikey
[05:22] <jpiccolo> Dr_Willis, 2.6.15-26-386 ?
[05:23] <earthsound> omar: have you tried Kspread and KPresenter?
[05:23] <Dr_Willis> Linux amd64 2.6.15-26-686 #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu Aug 3 03:13:28 UTC
[05:23] <omar> no yet, I am gonna try,
[05:24] <omar> thenk you, I will let you know
[05:24] <omar> are they here in the List of kubuntu
[05:24] <AWOSDev> A P1/100 with 64M of RAM?  I have that exact machine, I can get Kubuntu on it?!
[05:24] <Erich-K> How can i change the shortcut text color?
[05:24] <jpiccolo> ok kinda the same, i have an nvidia card too, glxgears shows lots of frames, but Cedega OpenGL test fails
[05:24] <AWOSDev> Cool I'll have to try that sometime.
[05:25] <earthsound> part of KOffice...which has a much smaller memory footprint than open office
[05:25] <Dr_Willis> jpiccolo,  you did install the nvidia drivers?
[05:25] <intelikey> AWOSDev no not kubuntu  but ubuntu server and add kde
[05:25] <timi> if something is a qt program
[05:25] <jpiccolo> yeah
[05:25] <jmichaelx> AWOSDev: something like slax popcorn would run on it
[05:25] <timi> then do i need qt designeer installed as well?
[05:25] <abattoir> timi: no
[05:26] <abattoir> timi: its a tool for developers
[05:26] <abattoir> timi: you dont need it unless you plan to write qt stuff...
[05:26] <timi> ok wht do i need to make a qt program run?
[05:26] <Dr_Willis> slax is handy
[05:26] <abattoir> timi: you already have all the stuff
[05:26] <abattoir> timi: kde is a qt-based distro...
[05:26] <jpiccolo> GL_RENDERER   = GeForce 7900 GT/PCI/SSE2/3DNOW!
[05:26] <intelikey> jmichaelx i haven't found a distro yet i could not run on that p1  but you do have to trim some of the fat off of most of them
[05:26] <timi> ok
[05:27] <jmichaelx> intelikey: i am with you on that.... and i have a real affinity for those old boxes, too :-D
[05:27] <intelikey> :)
[05:27] <pibarnas> Could anyone install kubuntu on a amd64, samsung sata hdd?
[05:28] <jpiccolo> NVIDIA 87.62 - is that the latest?
[05:28] <Dr_Willis> pibarnas,  you should be able to.. the sata chipset on the mb may be an issue if having problems
[05:29] <pibarnas> I think it's my case...
[05:29] <jmichaelx> i am using damn small linux-not right now... the latest RC, and i really like it. will be nice for older machines, especially a few more apps are added to the dsl-n repo
[05:30] <intelikey> jmichaelx yeah dsl is a good starter pack  i generally end up turning it into debian tho
[05:30] <jmichaelx> lol
[05:31] <jmichaelx> i love loading into ram. so awesome
[05:32] <intelikey> dsl on a mini-cdrom in the shirt pocket   :)
[05:32] <jmichaelx> definitely
[05:32] <intelikey> never without linux
[05:33] <jmichaelx> i like DSL on usb sticks , too... although i usually use DSL on machines that do not have USB, so i stcik with the mini cd
[05:35] <intelikey> perms got changed on my base dirs...   if that rascal has been here again and didn't leave me a notice....    dad blamed hackers...
[05:37] <intelikey> hmmm looks like it.   changed my timezone too
[05:37] <timi> intelikey under add remove program the printer option was ther and said it was installed but its not on the menu
[05:37] <timi> how do i get it on the menu
[05:38] <intelikey> timi i don't know i never had that issue.   maybe some one else could help you there.
[05:39] <Creedence> hey everyone
[05:40] <NthDegree> Creedence: :)
[05:40] <Creedence> sup?
[05:40] <NthDegree> nm, just trying to get encryption sorted out
[05:40] <Creedence> ahh
[05:41] <NthDegree> it's really annoying when you have to sort out two distro releases
[05:41] <Creedence> I gotta say. I am just coming over for a visit. I am new to Kubuntu. This has to be my 10th install over the past year but it's looking like I finally got it sorted out :)
[05:41] <Creedence> I like to come here and talk it up. I think I am converted :)
[05:42] <NthDegree> lol repeat after me "MS == Sinning" xD
[05:42] <AWOSDev> Well the hair gel, uh, it made error come later...
[05:42] <Creedence> Nth, hahaha
[05:42] <AWOSDev> But still very much error.
[05:42] <AWOSDev> I think I will download it after all.
[05:42] <Creedence> I work all day with XP and it's getting me more and more disinterested
[05:42] <Creedence> my geek-o-meter was running way down :P
[05:43] <NthDegree> i got fed up with phoning india every few weeks to get activation codes
[05:43] <AWOSDev> I got fed up with phoning India period.
[05:43] <AWOSDev> :)
[05:44] <Creedence> I don't even have to bother with that. I have MSDN... but I am fed up. I also like the idea of GPL and the ethics of the Open Source community
[05:44] <AWOSDev> I had MSDN
[05:44] <Creedence> AWOSDev..., don't buy a dell then ...
[05:44] <AWOSDev> but didn't want to pay almost $10K to renew it :O
[05:44] <Creedence> I am lucky?
[05:44] <Creedence> I don't pay, the company does
[05:45] <AWOSDev> Yeah, it's nearly $10K now
[05:45] <AWOSDev> I got a one year off of eBay for $13.00 though :)
[05:45] <Creedence> wow that's a lot
[05:45] <NthDegree> Creedence: GPL software is good for the programmer and good for the community :-)
[05:46] <AWOSDev> Okay guys, can you help me with a KDE-related problem?
[05:46] <NthDegree> sure
[05:46] <Creedence> teehee
[05:46] <intelikey> "good for the programmer"  how ?   it doesn't pay
[05:46] <Creedence> I can try :)
[05:46] <AWOSDev> I'm trying to download the thingy for the disc that's scratched
[05:46] <AWOSDev> it's a torrent
[05:46] <NthDegree> AWOSDev: KTorrent
[05:46] <AWOSDev> But when it tries to open the file it comes up KTorrent caught SIGABRT (signal 6)
[05:46] <Creedence> can't miss with Ktorrnet, that was stupid easy
[05:46] <NthDegree> uh that's b0rked
[05:46] <omar> have somebody knows the line to download and install unrar
[05:47] <Creedence> sorry
[05:47] <abattoir> !info unrar
[05:47] <Creedence> I meant to set up, that could have been read wrong :P
[05:47] <ubotu> unrar: Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version). In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1:3.5.4-0.1 (dapper), package size 84 kB, installed size 216 kB
[05:47] <AWOSDev> omar, sudo apt-get install unrar
[05:47] <NthDegree> omar, sudo apt-get install unrar
[05:47] <abattoir> omar: its in multiverse, so you need to enable that first
[05:47] <abattoir> !multiverse
[05:47] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[05:47] <omar> unable?
[05:47] <AWOSDev> Mmm
[05:47] <abattoir> omar: ^^^if you havent enabled it already
[05:47] <AWOSDev> !easysource
[05:47] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[05:48] <intelikey> !repos
[05:48] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[05:48] <abattoir> omar: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu specifically
[05:48] <AWOSDev> Creedence, can you help me with the crashing part?
[05:48] <Creedence> I beleive you can also use automatix to install archivers no?
[05:48] <Hawkwind> Ickkkkkk @ automatrix
[05:48] <AWOSDev> Or can you recommend another torrent thingy?
[05:48] <abattoir> Hawkwind: maybe its time to change ubotu's response to !repos/multiverse etc. ?
[05:48] <abattoir> Hawkwind: and point it to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[05:48] <intelikey> Hawkwind not me.  give me the universe... but not the world.
[05:49] <Creedence> AWOSDev, you can try Azureus... java based so you need java jre but it works nice too
[05:49] <Hawkwind> abattoir: Paste me exactly what you want for the fact in the other channel and I'll change it
[05:49] <IceKnight> Does anyone know how to make Konversation not launch at login?
[05:49] <AWOSDev> E: Couldn't find package jre
[05:50] <AWOSDev> E: Couldn't find package java
[05:50] <Hawkwind> !java
[05:50] <ubotu> java is an object oriented programming language. To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[05:50] <intelikey> IceKnight services
[05:50] <Hawkwind> AWOSDev: ^^^^^^^^
[05:50] <NthDegree> AWOSDev: not on apt-get
[05:50] <NthDegree> AWOSDev: GO ON SUN WEBSITE
[05:50] <NthDegree> AWOSDev: java.com
[05:50] <Hawkwind> AWOSDev: Or follow the info the bot gave you
[05:50] <Hawkwind> Much easier than going to suns site
[05:50] <AWOSDev> I CTRL+Cd apt-get why?
[05:50] <NthDegree> Hawkwind: uh that's not up to date with sun's site
[05:50] <Healot> if you already downloaded the jdk/jre from Sun's website
[05:50] <intelikey> IceKnight open kconfig  services
[05:51] <AWOSDev> what's wrong with apt-get?
[05:51] <AWOSDev> Blehh
[05:51] <NthDegree> AWOSDev: the apt version is older than getting it off the sun site :)
[05:51] <Healot> it's better to just convert the binary installer in a debian/ubuntu package using make-jpkg (java-package)
[05:51] <Hawkwind> NthDegree: If you follow that info the bot gives it works perfectly
[05:51] <AWOSDev> going on Ubuntu's Web site leaves a bad taste in my mouth
[05:51] <AWOSDev> it takes fo
[05:51] <AWOSDev> r
[05:52] <AWOSDev> ever
[05:52] <AWOSDev> to
[05:52] <AWOSDev> load
[05:52] <NthDegree> Hawkwind: yes on i386 maybe
[05:52] <AWOSDev> I have i386!
[05:52] <Hawkwind> NthDegree: He's on i386
[05:52] <Hawkwind> Hence why he should use it
[05:52] <NthDegree> Hawkwind: and he'd be using old stuff
[05:52] <Hawkwind> NthDegree: Ummm no
[05:53] <NthDegree> uh yeah
[05:53] <Hawkwind> NthDegree: java is in the repos
[05:53] <intelikey> oh that
[05:53] <NthDegree> i know it is
[05:53] <AWOSDev> So can I get it from apt-get or not?!
[05:53] <NthDegree> but it's older than the one on  the website
[05:53] <Hawkwind> AWOSDev: Yes
[05:53] <NthDegree> otherwise there'd be good x86_64 support in the repos too
[05:53] <Hawkwind> NthDegree: So, it's best to stick with the versions that are in the repos for your version of the OS
[05:53] <NthDegree> which there isn't
[05:54] <NthDegree> Hawkwind: don't be stupid, Sun Java can't be patched by the distro vendor
[05:54] <NthDegree> Hawkwind: so therefore only way to be secure is the latest version off their site
[05:54] <intelikey> can't be running old stuff, mussnt mussnt.   if it's older than two days you have to update. and don't argue about it.   that's the rules.
[05:54] <Hawkwind> NthDegree: Having the latest isn't always the best FYI
[05:54] <NthDegree> in the FOSS world that is true
[05:55] <intelikey> that's the rules....
[05:55] <Hawkwind> NthDegree: Majority of everyone here is using the version packaged by Ubuntu, nothing wrong with it at all
[05:55] <Creedence> hey... how do u get a channel list in Konversation
[05:55] <AWOSDev> FOSS?
[05:55] <NthDegree>  /channellist
[05:55] <NthDegree> Free Open Source Software
[05:56] <intelikey> /list    but don't....
[05:56] <IceKnight> intelikey: where is kconfig? Am I looking for an application or a text file?
[05:56] <AWOSDev> Nah, every now and again I use Red Hat 5 and fvwm95 on an old Pentium II every now and again, I like old stuff
[05:56] <intelikey> app
[05:56] <Hawkwind> Creedence: Or you can search for a specific channel by doing: /msg chanserv list *search-term*
[05:56] <AWOSDev> Netscape 3.04 and everything :)
[05:57] <Jobberwacky> isn't old stuff insecure?
[05:57] <Hawkwind> Jobberwacky: Not always, no
[05:57] <AWOSDev> Now where do I get azureur or whatever?
[05:57] <Hawkwind> Jobberwacky: If it was, then the entire would be insecure since every package isn't updated everyday
[05:58] <intelikey> IceKnight maybe it's called settings  or something in the menu  but kcontrol    is the name of the executable  you can alt+f2 kcontrol
[05:58] <intelikey> IceKnight id  i say kconfig   sorry my bad.
[05:58] <AWOSDev> Creedence, where do you get Azureus?
[05:58] <Creedence> i beleive i got it with apt-get
[05:58] <IceKnight> intelikey thanks, I think I found it
[05:59] <Creedence> I had to add some repositories to the sources.list
[05:59] <omar> thank you so much for the UNRAR installer
[05:59] <AWOSDev> I have all of the repos from easysource in there
[05:59] <omar> I really appreciate it
[05:59] <AWOSDev> yw omar
[05:59] <Creedence> so then sudo apt-get install azureus
[05:59] <Dr_Willis> !azureus
[05:59] <ubotu> azureus is a popular bittorent client written in Java, installation instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AzureusHowTo
[05:59] <_ian> how do i make linux visible to my windows compter?
[06:00] <poningru> _ian: what do you mean visible?
[06:00] <Dr_Willis> _ian,  install/confgure samba
[06:00] <intelikey> samba
[06:00] <Creedence> _ian, in what way?
[06:00] <Hawkwind> !repos
[06:00] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[06:00] <Creedence> shareS?
[06:00] <Dr_Willis> !samba
[06:00] <ubotu> samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[06:00] <_ian> i can see my windows pc but my windows pc cant see this linux
[06:00] <intelikey> samba
[06:00] <Dr_Willis> alwo be sure to add a samba password for the linux users with 'sudo smbpasswd -a LINUXUSERNAME'
[06:01] <royal> ok how do I install Wine without internet connection?
[06:01] <Creedence> I think I am off to hit the hay.
[06:01] <Creedence> have a good night everyone
[06:01] <AWOSDev> Ah, Samba.  I'm running this computer right here as an NT4 Domain Controller.  No more outrageous MS license fees!  Yay FOSS!
[06:01] <AWOSDev> G'night Creedence.
[06:01] <Creedence> night
[06:01] <_ian> it says i need root access...... i cant edit anything
[06:01] <intelikey> !sudo
[06:01] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[06:02] <AWOSDev> _ian, sudo
[06:02] <arunkale> hello people
[06:02] <roma> hi all
[06:02] <AWOSDev> sudo vi /etc/samba/smb.conf or whatever
[06:02] <intelikey> nano
[06:02] <jpiccolo> i cant get k3b to write to a dvd-rw
[06:03] <AWOSDev> This happened once before, so do be offended.  jpiccolo, are you using a DVD writer?
[06:03] <AWOSDev> and don't forget about
[06:03] <jpiccolo> haha yeah not that dumb
[06:03] <AWOSDev> !dvd+rw-tools
[06:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dvd+rw-tools - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:03] <AWOSDev> hmm....I thought that's what it was called
[06:03] <arunkale> hi roma
[06:04] <intelikey> !info dvd+rw-tools
[06:04] <ubotu> Package dvdrw-tools does not exist in any distro I know
[06:04] <jpiccolo> in the repos
[06:04] <intelikey> the bot is filtering '+'
[06:04] <AWOSDev> ahhhhh that was SuSE
[06:04] <AWOSDev> sorry
[06:04] <earthsound> !info "dvd+rw-tools"
[06:04] <ubotu> Package dvdrw-tools does not exist in any distro I know
[06:04] <trappist> I accidentally removed all my fonts in kcontrol.  all of em.  all new apps show up with squares instead of letters.  is it possible to restore them?
[06:04] <jpiccolo> i have that package installed
[06:05] <intelikey> !info dvd\+rw-tools
[06:05] <ubotu> Package dvdrw-tools does not exist in any distro I know
[06:05] <Dr_Willis> trappist,  as a user you removed them?
[06:05] <AWOSDev> No, no it is dvd+rw-tools
[06:05] <trappist> Dr_Willis: alas, no
[06:05] <Dr_Willis> trappist,  ICK!
[06:05] <trappist> Dr_Willis: that's what I *thought* I was doing
[06:05] <arunkale> how do i set firefox to be my default browser? i went to edit > preferences, and asked it to check if it was my default browser, and nothing happens
[06:05] <AWOSDev> !info dvd++rw-tools
[06:05] <intelikey> AWOSDev i know that.  the bot is filtering out the +
[06:05] <ubotu> Package dvdrw-tools does not exist in any distro I know
[06:05] <jpiccolo> dvd+rw-tools makes it possible to burn DVD images
[06:05] <jpiccolo> installed
[06:05] <AWOSDev> Grr
[06:06] <Dr_Willis> trappist,  heh - use the console and fire up appitude and perhasp reinstall teh packages
[06:06] <jpiccolo> i am trying to burn a iso to a dvdrw could that be a problem
[06:06] <trappist> Dr_Willis: the files are still there, but they're not in fonts:/, whatever that is
[06:06] <Dr_Willis> but heck - those fonts could of come from several dozen different packages.
[06:06] <Dr_Willis> trappist,  Hmm.. try  making a new user.. see if it works for them?
[06:06] <Dr_Willis> trappist,  thers the deforma commands that rescan the fonts dirs
[06:07] <halfbloodprince> man, i've forgotten my irc password
[06:07] <Dr_Willis> I saw it mentioned in the ubuntu hacks book. :P never used it however.
[06:07] <trappist> Dr_Willis: I'm confident it won't.  I removed the system fonts, not the user fonts
[06:07] <Dr_Willis> let me check that book.. it had a command to force deforma to rescan the fonts
[06:07] <trappist> Dr_Willis: that would be pretty awesome.
[06:07] <intelikey> hehhe #perl   lol
[06:08] <Dr_Willis> sudo dpkg-reconfigure defoma
[06:08] <Dr_Willis> sudo defoma-reconfigure
[06:08] <intelikey> update-fonts-*
[06:08] <trappist> Dr_Willis: oh crap.  it seems the files themselves have gone awol.  but, I'll try that anyway, thanks.
[06:08] <Dr_Willis> 'if your system has enede up in an unclean state  try.. ' the 2nd command i showed. :P
[06:09] <Dr_Willis> trappist,  ICK :P lol
[06:09] <AWOSDev> um, jpiccolo, can you use cdrecord?
[06:09] <trappist> Dr_Willis: I'll try apt-get install --reinstall on some font packs
[06:09] <AWOSDev> !cdrecord
[06:09] <ubotu> cdrecord: command line CD writing tool. In component main, is optional. Version 4:2.01+01a01-4ubuntu6 (dapper), package size 547 kB, installed size 1136 kB
[06:11] <earthsound> jpiccolo: have you ever tried graveman?
[06:11] <earthsound> !graveman
[06:11] <ubotu> graveman: graphical tool to burn dvd and cd, gtk based. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.12-4-2.1ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 690 kB, installed size 2424 kB
[06:11] <jpiccolo> no i havent
[06:12] <jpiccolo> is there a problem burning a iso to a dvdrw
[06:12] <AWOSDev> jpiccolo, not with cdrecord
[06:12] <trappist> Dr_Willis: found the easy way to get most of them: trappist@grasshopper:/usr/share/fonts/truetype$ sudo apt-get install --reinstall ttf-*
[06:12] <AWOSDev> jpiccolo at least not with me
[06:13] <trappist> Dr_Willis: where I'm in a dir full of ttf-* dirs that match package names, so the shell will expand ttf-* to what's in the dir (packages I have installed)
[06:13] <earthsound> jpiccolo: are you getting any errors?
[06:13] <Dr_Willis> heh
[06:13] <jpiccolo> ok i will try that out once i get this burned
[06:13] <earthsound> or just a silent fail?
[06:13] <jpiccolo> i was getting a io error
[06:13] <jpiccolo> but its working with a reg dvd
[06:13] <intelikey> !info '"dvd\\\+rw-tools"'
[06:13] <ubotu> Package dvdrw-tools does not exist in any distro I know
[06:13] <jpiccolo> i have that installed
[06:13] <intelikey> S:
[06:14] <AWOSDev> maybe the bot just needs a little
[06:14] <AWOSDev> !botsnack
[06:14] <ubotu> Yum!
[06:14] <jpiccolo> ha
[06:14] <AWOSDev> !info dvd%2Brw-tools
[06:14] <ubotu> Package dvd2brw-tools does not exist in any distro I know
[06:14] <jpiccolo> my buffer is having a hard time keeping up
[06:14] <intelikey> or a botsmack maybe
[06:15] <AWOSDev> !info dvd%+rw-tools
[06:15] <ubotu> Package dvdrw-tools does not exist in any distro I know
[06:15] <jpiccolo> there is no such thing as defrag in linux right?
[06:15] <AWOSDev> IIRC You can't frag in Linux, so no
[06:15] <Hawkwind> !find tools
[06:15] <ubotu> Found: autotools-dev, bzrtools, cdrtools-doc, console-data, console-tools (and 212 others)
[06:15] <trappist> Dr_Willis: in the unlikely event that you're interested, here's how it went down.  I was installing about 3k new fonts.  then "oh, these are personal fonts, I want system fonts" so I click cancel, then admin mode, then went to delete all the fonts, and since things were moving so slowly I thought it hadn't taken my admin mode click.
[06:15] <AWOSDev> !find more tools
[06:15] <ubotu> Found: xmore, libcarp-assert-more-perl, liblist-moreutils-perl, xlockmore, xlockmore-gl
[06:15] <jpiccolo> dvd/n+rw-tools
[06:15] <Hawkwind> !find dvd-rw
[06:15] <ubotu> Package/file dvd-rw does not exist in dapper
[06:16] <AWOSDev> !find rw-tools
[06:16] <ubotu> Found: dvd+rw-tools
[06:16] <Dr_Willis> :)
[06:16] <AWOSDev> Ha!
[06:16] <Dr_Willis> 3000 fonts?
[06:16] <Dr_Willis> of which 2950 you will never ever use
[06:16] <earthsound> jpiccolo: k3b is another one you could try
[06:16] <trappist> Dr_Willis: probably true.
[06:16] <earthsound> !k3b
[06:16] <ubotu> k3b is a feature-rich and user-friendly burning application for KDE (and, as all KDE applications, works fine on GNOME). For a guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/K3BHowto
[06:16] <jpiccolo> i was using k3b
[06:16] <jpiccolo> thats were i got the error
[06:17] <Hawkwind> Dr_Willis: I've got a URL for 6,970 fonts :P
[06:17] <earthsound> see if this page may help: http://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/linux/DVD+RW/
[06:17] <AWOSDev> I know, I know, Azureus is multiverse
[06:17] <Dr_Willis> Hawkwind,  i collected all my font collections ive managed to collect.. :P onto a single dvd..
[06:17] <AWOSDev> but can you guys help me with it?
[06:17] <jpiccolo> i will look for graveman when my disc is done
[06:17] <wayne_> how can i make this screen see-through?
[06:17] <intelikey> i think i use three fonts
[06:17] <Dr_Willis> whats to help.. installit.. run it.
[06:17] <AWOSDev> running
[06:17] <Dr_Willis> be sure you are using the sun java.. not the gcc one.
[06:17] <AWOSDev> I already apt-got it
[06:17] <Hawkwind> wayne_: Depends on the app if you can or not
[06:18] <AWOSDev> I got sun-java5-[bin/plugin/jre] 
[06:18] <AWOSDev> DEBUG::Wed Sep 13 00:13:52 EDT 2006::org.gudy.azureus2.core3.util.DebugLight::printStackTrace::38:
[06:18] <AWOSDev>   java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Argument cannot be null
[06:18] <Dr_Willis> do a 'java --version'
[06:18] <Dr_Willis> and see what java you are using.. read at --> http://pastebin.com/782784 also for my notes
[06:18] <Dr_Willis> :P
[06:18] <jpiccolo> dont look at the screen, look through the screen
[06:18] <AWOSDev> java version "1.4.2"
[06:18] <Dr_Willis> and the NEXT line says?
[06:18] <Dr_Willis> :)
[06:18] <earthsound> jpiccolo: the URL I pasted has more info on DVD+RW/+R/-R|W than anyone in here.
[06:19] <jpiccolo> ok thanks earthsound
[06:19] <AWOSDev> gij (GNU libgcj) version 4.1.0 (Ubuntu 4.1.0-1ubuntu8)
[06:19] <Dr_Willis> you are NOT using the sun java
[06:19] <Dr_Willis> by default
[06:19] <Dr_Willis> :)
[06:19] <AWOSDev> Okay how do I un-apt-get the GCC one
[06:19] <Dr_Willis> and this is a common problem.. easy to fix.
[06:19] <AWOSDev> what is it's package name
[06:19] <Dr_Willis> that pastebin url - shows what command to use
[06:19] <Dr_Willis> but its so slow.. i cant even read my own notes..
[06:20] <intelikey> i think maybe i don't have any java installed.   (and don't want any)
[06:20] <Dr_Willis> !java
[06:20] <ubotu> java is an object oriented programming language. To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[06:20] <Dr_Willis> That url about midway through tells how to set up the 'alternatives' to java
[06:20] <jpiccolo> <- have to have java for JESS to run
[06:20] <AWOSDev> pastebin.com contacted.  Waiting for reply...
[06:20] <jpiccolo> A.I. programming this semester
[06:21] <AWOSDev> pastebin.com contacted.  Waited for reply for the last 2 minutes but still waiting...
[06:21] <Dr_Willis> AWOSDev,  the !java url will be faster.. :P lol
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[06:21] <Dr_Willis> pastebin.com - needs to invest some $$ in servers
[06:21] <AWOSDev> They want to, didn't you see the top banner the other day
[06:21] <AWOSDev> ?
[06:21] <Dr_Willis> I got so many ads blocked.. i cant recall seeing any banners there.
[06:22] <AWOSDev> I think maybe my Internet is down
[06:22] <AWOSDev> no wait, I'm on IRC...never mind :P
[06:22] <AWOSDev> I can't get the bot's link to come up either
[06:22] <earthsound> sudo update-alternatives --config java
[06:23] <intelikey> i've talked on irc when the net was off line here....
[06:23] <AWOSDev> Ah it finally came up
[06:23] <intelikey> you don't get many answers tho
[06:24] <intelikey> hehhe  my  update-alternatives == /bin/true
[06:24] <wayne_> lmao
[06:24] <AWOSDev> I got 24 lines of
[06:24] <AWOSDev> update-java-alternatives: jdk alternative does not exist: /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/bin/appletviewer
[06:24] <AWOSDev> s/appletviewer/the other 23 apps
[06:25] <AWOSDev> but then it said using '/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/whatever' to provide 'whatever'
[06:25] <AWOSDev> so I guess it worked?
[06:26] <AWOSDev> Am I offline?  Did nobody get that stuff about Java?
[06:26] <intelikey> in fact  update-* == /bin/true
[06:26] <intelikey> yes you are.
[06:26] <intelikey> oh no i am...
[06:26] <AWOSDev> Ah there you are
[06:26] <intelikey> :)
[06:27] <AWOSDev> It's just sitting at the konsole
[06:27] <AWOSDev> *console
[06:27] <AWOSDev> :P
[06:27] <AWOSDev> Azureus won't even crash now :(
[06:28] <AWOSDev> I never thought I'd say this, but WHY won't this thing crash?
[06:28] <intelikey> is azureus supposed to crach ?
[06:28] <AWOSDev> No, but it's better than freezing
[06:28] <SOLITA> CLIC AQUI ---> http://l1.lifogame.com/i/perfil.php?p=Solixa
[06:28] <SOLITA> CLIC AQUI ---> http://l1.lifogame.com/i/perfil.php?p=Solixa
[06:28] <SOLITA> CLIC AQUI ---> http://l1.lifogame.com/i/perfil.php?p=Solixa
[06:28] <AWOSDev> At least crashing I know what the problem is
[06:28] <intelikey> start rm'ing /lib/*  things will crash quick.
[06:29] <AWOSDev> Nah, if I wanted to do that I'd just rm -rf /
[06:29] <AWOSDev> :)
[06:29] <Art_> How do i give admin permission to use th ex-server?
[06:29] <AWOSDev> Okay better question
[06:29] <Art_> the x-server
[06:29] <AWOSDev> Why *IS* this thing freezing?
[06:29] <jpiccolo> what does sudo rm -rf / do?
[06:29] <intelikey> yeah and as soon as it did /lib it would crash with out rming any more.
[06:30] <AWOSDev> jpiccolo, if you're from Windows, format c:
[06:30] <jpiccolo> haha i know
[06:30] <intelikey> jpiccolo it remove most files on the root system
[06:30] <intelikey> but not near all
[06:31] <AWOSDev> Hey it finally loaded!
[06:31] <jpiccolo> but make it pretty much unuseable
[06:31] <intelikey> yeah definitly un-useable
[06:32] <jpiccolo> grr cedega is pissing me off
[06:32] <AWOSDev> It says 'how proficient are you?  Select Beginner if you've never torrented before.  Select Advanced if you know what MTU and no-blocking I/O is'.  Well I know what MTU/NBIO is but I have no clue what torrent is.
[06:33] <AWOSDev> So am I a beginner or advanced?
[06:33] <skryking> AWOSDev, any error messages on the console, or in .xsessions-errors?
[06:33] <AWOSDev> Hmm?
[06:33] <AWOSDev> About what?
[06:33] <AWOSDev> I got stuff about changeLocale
[06:33] <AWOSDev> and X Error: Bad Device
[06:33] <AWOSDev> the normal stuff
[06:33] <omar> hello guys, how can I install koffice, I already got the home/omar/Desktop/koffice-1.5.91.tar.bz2
[06:34] <omar> what's the line
[06:35] <AWOSDev> bunzip2 koffice-1.5.91.tar.bz2
[06:35] <AWOSDev> tar -xf koffice-1.5.91.tar
[06:35] <AWOSDev> cd koffice-1.5.91
[06:35] <AWOSDev> ./configure
[06:35] <AWOSDev> make
[06:35] <earthsound> omar: tar xjvf koffice-1.5.91.tar.bz2
[06:35] <AWOSDev> make install
[06:35] <intelikey> no  just tar xf  koffice-1.5.91.tar.bz2
[06:35] <intelikey> why make it hard
[06:35] <abattoir> omar: it's in the repos, i'd recommend installing from there
[06:36] <abattoir> !info koffice
[06:36] <ubotu> koffice: KDE Office Suite. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.5.0-0ubuntu9 (dapper), package size 23 kB, installed size 76 kB
[06:37] <omar> didn't get you guys
[06:37] <AWOSDev> Yeah it would probably be better to just
[06:37] <AWOSDev> sudo apt-get install koffice
[06:37] <AWOSDev> Yeah, omar, just sudo apt-get install koffice
[06:37] <omar> thanks
[06:37] <AWOSDev> so much easier than all the crap with the tarball
[06:37] <omar> appretiate it
[06:37] <AWOSDev> No problem.  :)
[06:38] <we6jbo> Bling Bling
[06:38] <AWOSDev> Bling Bling?  What did you just get diamonds or something?
[06:38] <wayne_> has anyone gotten tuxbar to work in kubuntu?
[06:38] <jpiccolo> any of you guys have a bluetooth keyboard?
[06:38] <wayne_> if so can you give me some pointewrs
[06:38] <wayne_> pointers
[06:38] <skryking> anyone use ktts with konversation?
[06:39] <AWOSDev> jpiccolo, well all of my keyboards are hardwired PS/2s (well I have an XT but that's beyond the point) so know
[06:39] <we6jbo> I got tuxbox racer but it crashes when I try to play it
[06:39] <AWOSDev> s/know/no
[06:39] <jpiccolo> !ktts
[06:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ktts - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:39] <AWOSDev> ktty I'm assuming
[06:39] <AWOSDev> !ktty
[06:39] <skryking> ktts
[06:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ktty - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:39] <skryking> kde text to speech deamon
[06:39] <jpiccolo> i have a bt keyboard and it double letters all the time
[06:40] <intelikey> skryking what about ktts ?
[06:40] <intelikey> i have used it.
[06:40] <AWOSDev> jpiccolo, I have a laptop keyboard and *it* double letters all the time  :)
[06:40] <skryking> I have it saying the new messages, but I can't figure out how to get it to filter out the < and the > wrapped around the usernames
[06:40] <Ertain> Hello everyone.  I can't seem to print in Gimp.  It keeps saying, "lp: Error - no default destination".  My printer is connected, plus it is recognized (I was able to print out a picture before).  I need Gimp to resize the picture and print it out.
[06:41] <jpiccolo> ouch man, yeah if i dont type for a while, it will like 8 letter stuff
[06:41] <jpiccolo> sucks when i hit BackSpace
[06:41] <intelikey> skryking hmmm never tried to filter out chars... idk.
[06:42] <intelikey> i know what you mean but don't have any adivce.
[06:42] <skryking> intelikey, thanks... its a nice way of "listening to irc channels" without having to look at them
[06:43] <intelikey> indeed
[06:43] <wayne_> how does gimp compair to photoshop?
[06:44] <aseigo> wayne_: not as many features, completely different UI paradigm
[06:44] <aseigo> wayne_: but Free software and has most of what most people need
[06:44] <AWOSDev> GIMP is free and Photoshop can run you $500-$1000.
[06:44] <AWOSDev> Need I say more?  :P
[06:44] <wayne_> lol
[06:44] <aseigo> wayne_: i find the gimp ui to be rather clumsy and the lack of certain features annoying, but it's pretty solid. perfect for doing graphics for websites ...
[06:44] <wayne_> i just want to get away from windows altogether
[06:44] <intelikey> if you can use an external filter  tr  would work.    | tr -d '<>@#$%^&*()/\\[{] }' | ktts      or something like that.
[06:44] <jpiccolo> if you know ps already gimp is a pain in the ass
[06:45] <wayne_> i know OS well
[06:45] <wayne_> PS**
[06:46] <skryking> lol, it just spits out the litteral translation of that string
[06:46] <AWOSDev> aposthrophe greater-than less-than at hash dollar percent
[06:47] <AWOSDev> like that?
[06:47] <intelikey> yeah i know.
[06:47] <skryking> yup
[06:48] <AWOSDev> Does it really say hash or does it say pound?
[06:48] <AWOSDev> for #
[06:48] <we6jbo> that's both a hash mark and a pound sign (#)
[06:48] <intelikey> pound for #   or hash for #    lol
[06:48] <wayne_> 
[06:48] <AWOSDev> I know, I was asking what KTTS says for it :)
[06:49] <skryking> festival voice says hash
[06:49] <wayne_> duelboot
[06:49] <skryking> atleast the mbrola female us english version
[06:49] <AWOSDev> Who's winning?  :D
[06:49] <we6jbo> If you dial 1-800-479-2533 and it will say dial 1 followed by the pound key for english... 2 followed by the pound for spanish etc
[06:50] <AWOSDev> Well on the phone...
[06:50] <AWOSDev> I mean on a car enthusiats forum I'm on one guy's name is 4k#Fe
[06:50] <AWOSDev> (meaning four thousand pounds of iron)
[06:50] <wayne_> does anyone here duel boot windows and ubuntu?
[06:50] <we6jbo> 4k number sign fe?
[06:50] <earthsound> wayne_: you may want to try gimpshop
[06:50] <royal> hi I just downloaded the latest version of wine from Linuxgamers, unziped tar.bz in my home folder, and right now i'm trying to figure out how to install wine from this point?
[06:50] <AWOSDev> Yeah, but Ubuntu usually wins.
[06:51] <intelikey> 4k#Fe lol
[06:51] <AWOSDev> (duel not dual :) )
[06:51] <jpiccolo> theres probably no way to play a game with starforce 4 in linux
[06:51] <earthsound> wayne_: http://plasticbugs.com/?page_id=294
[06:51] <intelikey> two ton  ehh
[06:51] <jpiccolo> royal
[06:51] <AWOSDev> it's on http://www.crownvic.net Crown Victoria forums, if you were wondering
[06:51] <earthsound> wayne_: I dual boot ubuntu and windows
[06:51] <jpiccolo> i have an easier way, just did it mysefl
[06:51] <royal> yes?
[06:51] <royal> preferably it doesn't involve connecting the computer to the net
[06:52] <ironfroggy> are there any cups semi-experts around? ive having some troubleshooting problems.
[06:52] <jpiccolo> oh
[06:52] <we6jbo> I have a question
[06:52] <royal> cause therse only one connection in the house and the win computer is using it
[06:52] <intelikey> state your question
[06:52] <jpiccolo> well you can add   deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt dapper main
[06:53] <royal> (in other words the really big gaming custom machine computer... linux is on the 9310S gateway)
[06:53] <we6jbo> I have two slots in the front of my computer and I was wondering what I could put in them
[06:53] <jpiccolo> to your repo and have adept install if for you
[06:53] <we6jbo> I don't know what they are though
[06:53] <we6jbo> card slots
[06:53] <intelikey> we6jbo that's a dangerous question
[06:53] <jpiccolo> thats how i did it, and got the newest version
[06:53] <royal> the version that has support for direct X 9?
[06:53] <we6jbo> oh can they be hacked?
[06:53] <intelikey> usb stick ?
[06:54] <AWOSDev> we6jbo 9 outta 10 they're for digital camera flash cards.
[06:54] <we6jbo> looks like this [06:54] <we6jbo> ones bigger than the other too
[06:54] <intelikey> we6jbo sudo lshw | less   and see that comes up
[06:54] <jpiccolo> well i dont know, i didnt get that far, the game i was trying to play has starforce4 protection and i dont think that will work regardless
[06:54] <we6jbo> |_____________ --\_______/--
[06:55] <jpiccolo> its 0.9.20
[06:55] <ironfroggy> ANYWAY, i have a case where i can print successful test pages, but certain times i will print and the logs list the job as completing successfully and being sent to the printer without problems, but i get no printing. where can i look for more information on what is going on?
[06:56] <we6jbo> says USB device error?
[06:56] <royal> yeah thats what I meant
[06:57] <AWOSDev> Well my download will be done in two and a half hours
[06:57] <AWOSDev> anway
[06:57] <AWOSDev> It's 1AM here on the East Coast so I think I'll go to bed now.
[06:57] <AWOSDev> G'night all.
[06:57] <jpiccolo> royal, to me thats the easiest way
[06:57] <royal> btw I heard lately some suggested repos to put down, coudl someone get me a list (not kidding) to put down for whern I do hook it up?
[06:58] <royal> to the net that is
[06:58] <Xptical> How do I recover files from a DVD-R when it wasn't closed properly?
[06:58] <jpiccolo> do you have the multiverse and suchs
[06:58] <intelikey> my clock forgot that it's on gmt but im not in that tz,  without tzconfig  what is the best way to change that ?
[06:58] <AWOSDev> we6jbo, good luck on trying to get those ports figured out.
[06:58] <AWOSDev> I still say they're for flash memory cards...
[06:58] <obf213> Anybody in here us hplip
[06:59] <royal> not sure, heard somthing mentioned about it when I asked how to get Mp3 support
[06:59] <intelikey> !repos
[06:59] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[07:00] <intelikey> !easysources
[07:00] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[07:00] <jpiccolo> !dvdisaster
[07:00] <ubotu> dvdisaster: data loss/scratch/aging protection for CD/DVD media. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.64.2-1 (dapper), package size 157 kB, installed size 520 kB
[07:00] <jpiccolo> there Xptical
[07:00] <jpiccolo> best i can think of
[07:01] <royal> I think I will try that
[07:01] <royal> tommorow that is
[07:02] <Xptical> thanks
[07:02] <royal> so to get wine for my install I should add deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt dapper main
[07:02] <jpiccolo> worth a shot
[07:02] <royal> just to reveiw
[07:04] <jpiccolo> royal, go here http://www.winehq.org/site/download-deb
[07:04] <jpiccolo> explains it all
[07:04] <obf213> the last 9 or so packages ive tried to install have had a break
[07:04] <obf213> whats the problem
[07:04] <jpiccolo> very easy
[07:04] <ironfroggy> how can i find what package installed a given file?
[07:04] <royal> ok
[07:04] <obf213> !HP
[07:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about HP - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:05] <jpiccolo> ironfroggy, go to the details button
[07:05] <jpiccolo> then installed files
[07:05] <ironfroggy> no details button. im ssh'ed into a remote box.
[07:06] <jpiccolo> oh, no idea then
[07:06] <ironfroggy> and i dont know what the package is, so how could i get to that button in the first place?
[07:06] <jpiccolo> you dont know what package you installed
[07:06] <Jucato> ironfroggy: try typing "apt:/" in Konqueror
[07:07] <ironfroggy> Jucato: remote box
[07:07] <Jucato> then use file search
[07:07] <jpiccolo> he is sshed
[07:07] <Jucato> oh
[07:07] <Jucato> oops
[07:07] <Jucato> :(
[07:07] <ironfroggy> jpiccolo: no. its a python module, and im trying to find the name of the package that it came from, because i need it locally.
[07:07] <bnilsen> Seeking suggestions before I reinstall Dapper:  Struggling with a hardware problem I loaded Xbuntu and Kbuntu Guis.  Now how do I get rid of them?
[07:08] <jpiccolo> do you know what the name of the file you need is?
[07:08] <ironfroggy> yes
[07:08] <jpiccolo> what is it
[07:08] <pierreth> How can I install Kubuntu Polyester?
[07:08] <obf213> init.d is an initialzing file or somthing
[07:08] <Jucato> !kde-style-polyester
[07:08] <ubotu> kde-style-polyester: The Polyester widget style for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6.5-0ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 117 kB, installed size 440 kB
[07:08] <ironfroggy> ... nevermind. went to grab the name from its __file__ attribute, to see that it was installed from an egg, not a deb.
[07:09] <jpiccolo> ok
[07:09] <pierreth> ubotu: I don't see it in the installer
[07:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about I don't see it in the installer - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:09] <obf213> if anyone here has this http://hplip.sourceforge.net/screenshots.html the hp device manager gui tell me how you got it
[07:10] <Jucato> pierreth: you have to enable the Universe repository
[07:10] <royal> and before I go where can I get a doccumentation on how to enable MP3 support?
[07:10] <Jucato> pierreth:  here's a guide for that: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[07:10] <obf213> !mp3
[07:10] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:11] <obf213> anybody here use an hp printer/scanner ve been trying for the past 2 hrs to get the scanner to work
[07:11] <pierreth> Jucato: the page is empty
[07:11] <obf213> does anyone have this http://hplip.sourceforge.net/screenshots.html
[07:11] <Jucato> pierreth: wait for it to load
[07:11] <jpiccolo> royal, go to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[07:12] <pierreth> Jucato: OK
[07:12] <royal> lol they're both the same url
[07:12] <obf213> anyboyd know how to set up a printer!
[07:12] <Jucato> royal: anyway, the RestrictedFormats page is what you needed
[07:12] <obf213> using hplip or w/e ur supposed to use
[07:13] <cps1966> ! kdelibs4c2a
[07:13] <ubotu> kdelibs4c2a: core libraries for all KDE applications. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu18.1 (dapper), package size 8138 kB, installed size 24336 kB
[07:13] <jpiccolo> oops, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:14] <obf213> !help
[07:14] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[07:14] <cps1966> why is md5sum mismatch
[07:14] <obf213> !help help help
[07:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about help help help - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:14] <MistaED> obf213: afaik the option for hplip is hidden normally unless a hp printer is detected, if it didn't appear you can go to applications > accessories > alacarte menu editor and i think you can tick the display for it in there under system
[07:14] <obf213> i had an hp printer hooked up and set up
[07:14] <MistaED> so then you can go system > administration > hplip
[07:14] <obf213> and hplip would show up
[07:14] <MistaED> oh ok
[07:15] <obf213> i dont have system admininstration either
[07:15] <obf213> why is my menu missing so manythings
[07:15] <MistaED> the scanner doesn't get detected with xsane?
[07:15] <Jucato> MistaED: that menu is for GNOME
[07:15] <obf213> no
[07:15] <MistaED> oh crap, i'm in #kubunu hehe
[07:15] <MistaED> didn't realise, sorry
[07:15] <aseigo> ugh.. alacarte? nah, use kmenuedit or right click on the applications menu =)
[07:15] <Jucato> :D
[07:15] <Jucato> hi aseigo! :)
[07:15] <aseigo> Jucato: yo
[07:15] <obf213> i installed hplip, hpoj, hpeverything evry foo driver, everthing possible
[07:16] <aseigo> obf213: and when you run hplip nothing shows up?
[07:16] <obf213> i set up an hp printer/scanner/copier using the regular setup method.
[07:16] <royal> so how do I get libakode2-mpeg?
[07:16] <obf213> nothing happens
[07:16] <obf213> hplip is not a command it says
[07:16] <obf213> i can search for hplip and i find files
[07:16] <obf213> somehow or another im supposed to get this
[07:16] <MistaED> obf213: the scanner i think is managed by something else, i know kde has a good scanning app which detected a HP scanner on top of a printer
[07:16] <obf213> http://hplip.sourceforge.net/screenshots.html
[07:17] <Jucato> royal: you have to enable the universe repository to get libakode2-mpeg
[07:17] <aseigo> kooka?
[07:17] <MistaED> yes kooka
[07:17] <obf213> kooka doesent detect anything
[07:17] <aseigo> royal: you need to install libakode2-mpeg
[07:17] <obf213> hplip thing is supposed to do all that stuff for you
[07:17] <MistaED> i think this was with suse10 though
[07:17] <jpiccolo> yeah universe repos
[07:17] <Jucato> kooka... reminds me of cookies... :)
[07:17] <aseigo> royal: hint for future ... `apt-cache search libakode` would've told you that =) or typing "libakode" into the search bar in adept
[07:17] <aseigo> ah, yeha. you need universe
[07:17] <obf213> i also instaled hpoj
[07:18] <aseigo> people run *buntu w/out universe? ;)
[07:18] <Jucato> or using Kubuntu's very helpful "apt:/" kio slave :)
[07:18] <jpiccolo> i dont use akode though
[07:18] <obf213> and tried to run its gui which would work
[07:18] <Jucato> aseigo: yep, disabled by default :D
[07:18] <jpiccolo> aseigo, i guess so
[07:18] <Jucato> (like many other things.. :D )
[07:18] <royal> its a bit confusing for a long time windows user... oh well. I gotta get to bed... cold setting in :(
[07:18] <royal> cya
[07:18] <jpiccolo> later
[07:19] <Jucato> royal: yeah. things might look a bit differently when you're feeling ill :(
[07:19] <Jucato> better get some rest first :)
[07:19] <royal> yeah
[07:19] <royal> maybe I should ask again tommorow cause this isn't sinking in
[07:19] <obf213> this is lame. they need to make the next version of kubuntu better so you dont have to spend over 2hrs just trying to get a scanner to work.
[07:20] <Healot> that means your scanner is lame )
[07:20] <cps1966> why am i getting md5sum mismatch for  kdelibs4c2a
[07:21] <obf213> lol i cant get programs to open is the problem
[07:21] <obf213> i jsut get errors and such
[07:21] <Healot> cps1966: download or apt-get the package again
[07:21] <obf213> i download 9million packages and thinks still dont open
[07:21] <cps1966> i have many times even the dvd has bad file
[07:21] <Jucato> cps1966: it also depends from which repository you are getting it. the one from Kubuntu.org is different from the archive.ubuntu.com
[07:22] <Jucato> heh
[07:22] <Healot> obf213: really, whine somewhere else :=>
[07:22] <Jucato> obf213: probably because the hardware was "made for Windows"
[07:23] <cps1966> Healot:  why would install dvd have bad package
[07:23] <obf213> meh.....
[07:23] <Jucato> cps1966: were you able to check the md5sum of the DVD ISO before you burned it?
[07:23] <obf213> !wiki
[07:23] <ubotu> wiki is http://wiki.ubuntu.com - Loads of user-contributed documentation
[07:23] <cps1966> yes
[07:23] <Healot> i don't know, prolly bad DVD-rom drive...
[07:23] <jpiccolo> for me linux is a life style, i choose to use it becuse i was tired of windows, and being a comp sci major i better learn it
[07:24] <Jucato> obf213: you might have better search results in http://help.ubuntu.com/community
[07:24] <cps1966> Healot:  its the same problem with 6.06 and 6.06.1
[07:24] <jpiccolo> is anyone playing fear combat?
[07:25] <Healot> cps1966: it's your DVD-rom drive
[07:25] <Jucato> cps1966: from which md5sum are you comparing kdelibs4c2a to?
[07:25] <cps1966> no its not
[07:25] <cps1966> does the same thing from repositories
[07:27] <jpiccolo> !hostname
[07:27] <ubotu> Use hostname <somehostname> to set the hostname, or to do it permanently: edit /etc/hostname  and /etc/hosts . WARNING! Make sure that /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts match, otherwise sudo may not work properly
[07:28] <cps1966> b47817f26a5273b49081f277874c9429   thats the md5sum i get
[07:28] <jpiccolo> !domain name
[07:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about domain name - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:32] <obf213> the past hour our so every package i download has an error break, but then it says its installeld
[07:32] <obf213> so is it instaled or wht and why is this happendn to every package
[07:32] <Jucato> obf213: maybe there error isn't for the package you are installing?
[07:33] <obf213> im installin one package at a time
[07:33] <Jucato> maybe an error left over from a previous package? *shrugs*
[07:37] <pierreth> Jucato: thank you
[07:38] <jpiccolo> anyone try fear combat in wine?
[07:39] <obf213> what is init.d
[07:39] <Coffeeman1> agh i forgot how to get my comp out of knsole mode its like ctrl shift f6 or something
[07:39] <Coffeeman1> anyone know?
[07:39] <obf213> if something has an init.d can it be run
[07:40] <Healot> Ctrl+Alt+F7 >> for X tty
[07:41] <Jucato> he's gone, though...
[07:41] <obf213> wht does init.d mean
[07:41] <Healot> i guess pressed Ctrl+Alt+Backspace
[07:49] <obf213> !init.d
[07:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about init.d - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:49] <obf213> !init
[07:49] <ubotu> Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a bootfloppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[07:50] <obf213> !bum
[07:50] <ubotu> Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a bootfloppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[07:51] <Jucato> !multiverse > Jucato
[07:52] <obf213> !rc.d
[07:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rc.d - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:52] <Jucato> !multiverse
[07:52] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[07:52] <obf213> !rc
[07:52] <ubotu> rc: an implementation of the AT&T Plan 9 shell. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.7.1-2 (dapper), package size 73 kB, installed size 188 kB
[07:52] <abattoir> !repos
[07:52] <flaccid_> !xgl
[07:52] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[07:53] <flaccid_> interesting
[07:53] <Jucato> obf213: you can also PM ubotu if you're not sure what you're looking for. :)
[07:53] <abattoir> !repos
[07:53] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[07:57] <obf213> o yeah i guess i could pm ubuto
[08:02] <draik> Anyone know how I can get a printout of the packages I have installed? Similar to this list... http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23293
[08:04] <Jucato> draik???
[08:05] <Jucato> draik: with complete details?
[08:05] <draik> yup
[08:06] <Jucato> hm....
[08:06] <Jucato> i'm clueless...
[08:06] <Jucato> :(
[08:07] <abattoir> draik: apt-cache show 3dchess
[08:07] <Jucato> abattoir: for all installed packages....
[08:08] <abattoir> Jucato: well, you can put a script in...
[08:08] <draik> what script?
[08:08] <draik> I want a list of everything installed
[08:08] <abattoir> or rather put it in a script
[08:08] <abattoir> draik: wait a sec...
[08:08] <draik> ok
[08:08] <abattoir> draik: you know there'll be thousands of packages right?
[08:09] <draik> that's fine
[08:09] <abattoir> draik: do you want to 'print' them as in a printer?
[08:09] <abattoir> or do you want it just output to the screen?
[08:09] <draik> I will just add    > /path/filename
[08:09] <draik> screen is fine, but I also want them in a file
[08:09] <alexicon> any of you lot used vmware?
[08:09] <skryking> alexicon, I do
[08:10] <skryking> whatcha need?
[08:10] <alexicon> hrmm
[08:10] <alexicon> is there a walk through bout installing windows with it
[08:10] <abattoir> draik: and you want only 'installed' ones right, not everything in the repos?
[08:10] <alexicon> !vmware
[08:10] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository. Instructions to install VMWare Server can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingVMWare
[08:10] <draik> I was going to upload my previous install's file, but my server has issues
[08:10] <draik> abattoir, that's right
[08:12] <Jucato> ugh... all these questions about VMWare Server before I could register and get a serial number...
[08:12] <abattoir> Jucato: why do you want the server?
[08:12] <abattoir> just use the player
[08:12] <pierreth> does someone was able to install Flash?
[08:13] <abattoir> use qemu to create the images, and play them w/ vmware
[08:13] <Jucato> abattoir: so that I could make VMWare appliances/images...
[08:13] <skryking> server is free, and can create new images
[08:13] <Jucato> abattoir: how about vmware tools?
[08:13] <Jucato> !flash > pierreth
[08:13] <abattoir> Jucato: vmware tools?
[08:13] <Jucato> yes, to make them run faster
[08:14] <skryking> vmware-server is now free from vmware.com
[08:14] <draik> !opengl
[08:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about opengl - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:14] <Jucato> skryking: yeah.. but to get the serial number... I have to register... and the things I have to enter presumes that I'm working in a company or something.. :(
[08:15] <draik> abattoir, anything on those installed packages?
[08:17] <abattoir> draik: wait, my shell scripting skills are a bit rusty... one sec
[08:17] <draik> ok
[08:17] <draik> thx
[08:18] <wry> hey guys.
[08:18] <skryking> make up your own company
[08:18] <skryking> get a hotmail account to recieve the key...
[08:18] <wry> kmail's bein nasty to me!
[08:18] <Jucato> skryking: what do I enter for the "Serial numbers needed (1-100)" field?
[08:19] <skryking> what ever you want, I selected 1 since I only needed one copy
[08:20] <Jucato> aaaah
[08:20] <wry> I can't send mail, but receiving it no probs.
[08:20] <Jucato> wry: using KMail?
[08:21] <wry> Jucato---> I'd rather not, but it's all I gots at the mo, what would you suggest?
[08:22] <Jucato> wry: do you get any error messages/pop-ups when sending mail?
[08:23] <_bender_> Is the MAKE command included by default in Kubuntu...since doesn't seem to think I have it...:\
[08:27] <jpiccolo> i am pretty sure make is running the make file in the dir
[08:27] <wry> jucato--> yup.. (The server responded: "sorry, that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts (#5.7.1)")
[08:27] <Jucato> _bender_: no. you have to install "build-essential" to get everything you need for compiling from source
[08:27] <_bender_> Ahh kk
[08:27] <draik> What's the diff between & and &&?
[08:28] <_bender_> Off to Adept I go, weird though would have thought MAKE would be included by default
[08:28] <_bender_> thx btww
[08:28] <Jucato> _bender_: heh some people think so too. apparently, there's more than meets the eye about it...
[08:29] <_bender_> Hmm wouldn't doubt it, planning to try out this checkinstall with it to see how that works
[08:29] <Jucato> draik: not exactly sure what "&" does in BASH, but "&&" runs the command following it, only after the command preceding it has finished...
[08:29] <Jucato> _bender_: you might have a better experience with checkinstall
[08:29] <draik> Jucato, that's all I know as well
[08:30] <jpiccolo> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otGSpv_k8rY
[08:30] <abattoir> draik: bleh... i'm too hungry to think... basically 'dpkg -l' gives all the installed packages... and you pass each to apt-cache show
[08:30] <abattoir> draik: and then print them or pipe themmm
[08:30] <draik> hmmm
[08:30] <abattoir> draik: if you can wait a bit, i'll churn out a proper script that works
[08:30] <_bender_> hmmm so do I need make and checkinstall or can checkinstall do everything make already does?
[08:30] <abattoir> am hungry now :P
[08:30] <draik> no way of doing that ot all of the installed items?
[08:30] <pascalFR> draik:   & puts the preceeding command in the background
[08:30] <draik> I can wait
[08:31] <abattoir> draik: ok, ill get back to you when i'm done :)
[08:31] <draik> pascalFR, example?
[08:31] <Jucato> _bender_: no. checkinstall doesn't do make for you. it's ./configure, make, then checkinstall
[08:31] <_bender_> ah kk
[08:31] <pascalFR> draik:  &&           command1 && command2     command2 will be executed if command1 returns status code 0
[08:32] <Jucato> draik: ah yes. for example, if you launch a GUI program from Konsole, you won't return to the prompt unless the GUI program exits. if you press Ctrl+C in Konsole (Cancel), the GUI program will also close
[08:33] <Jucato> draik: so in order to prevent that, you would put & after the command, (AFAIK)
[08:33] <pascalFR> draik:   type         sleep 10 && echo coucou &            :)    after entering that  you have the prompt again  but  (sleep 10 && echo coucou)  still runs in the background  and will echo coucou at the konsole in 10 seconds
[08:33] <pascalFR> Jucato: yes this is one usage
[08:33] <draik> won't sleep cause kubuntu to shutdown?
[08:33] <pascalFR> Jucato:  to put a process in the background
[08:34] <Jucato> draik: no
[08:34] <draik> ok, I thought sleep caused it to shutdown
[08:34] <draik> ok
[08:34] <Jucato> er... that's AFAIK
[08:34] <pascalFR> draik: sleep  makes a pause  n seconds
[08:35] <pascalFR> draik:  in my example it is to improve the experience ;)
[08:35] <draik> That it is
[08:35] <pascalFR> draik: coucou will appear magically while you are at the prompt and not immediatly
[08:35] <draik> right, after 10 seconds
[08:36] <pascalFR> yeah
[08:36] <pascalFR> there is also  ||   in shell
[08:36] <draik> hmmm... but now the cursor is under the prompt,  not doing anything
[08:36] <pascalFR> yes just a side effect of beeing in a caracter konsole
[08:36] <Jucato> ...
[08:36] <pascalFR> juste press enter
[08:37] <draik> oic
[08:37] <draik> very cool
[08:37] <draik> thank you
[08:37] <pascalFR> and you will see the backgroud process terminates
[08:37] <draik> yup
[08:37] <draik> [1] +  Done                    sleep 10 && echo coucou
[08:37] <pascalFR> the shell signals background processes
[08:37] <pascalFR> yes
[08:37] <pascalFR> and 1 is the ID of the background process  for this shell
[08:38] <pascalFR> you can control it from the shell
[08:38] <pascalFR> with  fg and bg command  and ctrl-Z
[08:39] <pascalFR> if it last enough time in the background  you can put it in the foreground with  fg %1
[08:39] <pascalFR> then put it again in the back with  crtl-z which interrupt it and give you the shell prompt
[08:39] <pascalFR> and bg which put it in the back again
[08:40] <pascalFR> man bash  will teach you a lot :)
[08:40] <draik> I can tell
[08:40] <draik> Thank you for that lessoon
[08:40] <draik> *lesson
[08:40] <pascalFR> dont hesitate to play with it in a temporary directory
[08:40] <pascalFR> but not under root ! :)
[08:41] <pascalFR> i mean not beeing root user
[08:41] <draik> right
[08:41] <pascalFR> my pleasure
[08:41] <draik> I try to avoid doing anything under root unless necessary
[08:41] <pascalFR> are u student ?
[08:41] <draik> Your pleasure, my treat
[08:41] <draik> I am a student for Linux, teacher for winxp
[08:41] <pascalFR> ho very nice
[08:42] <draik> It's something
[08:42] <pascalFR> so you can speak and share the 2 worlds
[08:42] <draik> very true
[08:42] <draik> but I'd sooner preach about linux than winxp
[08:42] <pascalFR> and unite people :)  ubuntu
[08:42] <jpiccolo> is there going to be a kedgy?
[08:42] <draik> or win for that matter
[08:42] <draik> kedgy, that's a funny name
[08:43] <flaccid_> nebody use icegenerator?
[08:43] <draik> almost sounds like a drunken slur
[08:43] <pascalFR> kedgy ? hum i am not so fluent in english  i m french
[08:43] <draik> K edgy
[08:43] <pascalFR> hooooooooo :)
[08:43] <draik> edgy is the next version of ubuntu
[08:43] <pascalFR> yes i know :)
[08:43] <draik> ok
[08:44] <pascalFR> didnt think of k-edgy :)
[08:44] <draik> oic
[08:44] <draik> :p
[08:44] <jpiccolo> i like kde better than gnome
[08:44] <pascalFR> i'l debug edgy as soon as it is sufficiently stable
[08:44] <draik> I'll USE edgy as soon as it's stable
[08:44] <pascalFR> i like to participate in last debugging work
[08:45] <pascalFR> hihi draik   same here ;)
[08:45] <draik> I have enough issues with Kubuntu and the many things I'm trying to do that I don't need anything unstable
[08:45] <pascalFR> draik: what kind of issues ?
[08:45] <draik> OpenGL won't work
[08:45] <pascalFR> did u feel bug reports ?
[08:45] <draik> k9Copy won't work
[08:46] <gsuveg> as qdvdauthor too
[08:46] <draik> it's not so much as "won't" as it is "doesn't"
[08:46] <pascalFR> did u report ?
[08:46] <draik> nah
[08:46] <pascalFR> humm so dont expect any fix :)
[08:47] <pascalFR> appart accidentally
[08:47] <jpiccolo> is glxgears opengl?
[08:47] <pascalFR> i think so
[08:47] <draik> it was working a few days ago, and now that I had to reinstall everything, I don't know what I'm misisng
[08:47] <draik> *missing
[08:48] <pascalFR> wont or dont work   in computer science  wont make us advance on problems   we need symptoms error msg etc
[08:48] <draik> k9Copy will read the DVD, just not author it
[08:48] <jpiccolo> fear combat almost done, time to see if it works on wine
[08:48] <pascalFR> way to reproduce
[08:48] <draik> when I try to ISO or burn to a DVD
[08:49] <pascalFR> draik: can you as least burn any dvd on your machine   with k3b for example
[08:49] <draik> Yes
[08:49] <draik> I can burn
[08:49] <draik> An error occured while running DVDAuthor: play_cell: Fatal: read failed for 67 sectors at 10099 WARN: Cannot detect pts for VOBU if there is no audio or video WARN: Using SCR instead. ERR: Cannot infer pts for VOBU if there is no audio or video and it is the ERR: first VOBU.
[08:50] <pascalFR> i dont know k9copy  what is the advantage ?
[08:50] <draik> That's the error I get when I try to author a DVD with k9copy
[08:50] <draik> Copy DVDs
[08:50] <draik> DVD movies
[08:50] <pascalFR> seems to be a dvdauthor error
[08:50] <draik> yup
[08:50] <draik> but I don't know where to begin looking
[08:51] <pascalFR> can you play it correctly ?
[08:51] <pascalFR> the original
[08:51] <pascalFR> seems to be a read error
[08:51] <pascalFR> Fatal: read failed for 67 sectors
[08:52] <pascalFR> might be a protected dvd or reader problem
[08:52] <draik> Nope
[08:52] <draik> done this DVD before
[08:53] <draik> I can play it
[08:54] <pascalFR> http://flavor8.com/index.php/2006/04/08/how-to-back-up-your-dvds-in-ubuntu-ii/
[08:55] <draik> Thank you
[08:55] <pascalFR> draik: otherwise  try k3b
[08:55] <draik> k3b won't do DVD movies, only DVD data
[08:57] <pascalFR> i never tried  it has a copy dvd option   you think it only copies data dvd
[08:57] <pascalFR> maybe for patent problems yes
[09:01] <charlie5> hi ... is there any reason not to d/l shockwace plugin that konqeror asks for now and then ?
[09:01] <pascalFR> draik:  dpkg -l dvdauthor ?
[09:02] <charlie5> security or such, for instance
[09:02] <pascalFR> charlie5: there is not shockwave for linux
[09:02] <pascalFR> charlie5: shockwave is activex based
[09:02] <pascalFR> so win only
[09:02] <charlie5> pascalFR: thanks ... so i should ignore konqeror when it asks to d/l it ?
[09:03] <pascalFR> yes charlie5   only  flash works
[09:03] <draik> Version 0.6.11-3
[09:03] <pascalFR> draik: well as i see on http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=59028   the project is not evolving since 02/2005 ...
[09:04] <_tmac_> can someone here help me out with installing nvidia drivers?
[09:04] <_tmac_> !nvidia-glx
[09:04] <ubotu> nvidia-glx: NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org driver. In component restricted, is optional. Version 1.0.8762+2.6.15.11-3 (dapper), package size 3963 kB, installed size 12240 kB
[09:04] <charlie5> um, it asks for 'shockwave flash media' plugin ... is that 'flash' plugin ?
[09:04] <_tmac_> !automatix
[09:04] <ubotu> automatix is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://www.getautomatix.com/ ; For help with and discussion of automatix please join #automatix.
[09:04] <draik> well, that's the version I have
[09:04] <charlie5> _tmac_: i've just done it recently, maybe i can help
[09:04] <pascalFR> charlie5:  it is confusing but as long as u see shockwave u can ignore
[09:04] <_tmac_> actually i've done it 3 times in the past two or three days
[09:05] <_tmac_> and for some reason it doesn't want to work now
[09:05] <_tmac_> when I change my "nv" to "nvidia" in my xorg.conf and reload X it goes crazy
[09:05] <charlie5> pascalFR: ok, great! ... thanks, this has been buggin me for a while :)
[09:05] <_tmac_> and i get a Gui error starting up gdm
[09:07] <charlie5> do you get the nvidia flash screen on boot ?
[09:07] <_tmac_> no
[09:07] <charlie5> what error does startx give ?
[09:07] <_tmac_> "no monitors found"
[09:07] <_tmac_> or something
[09:07] <_tmac_> I don't remember exactly
[09:08] <charlie5> can you paste ?
[09:08] <_tmac_> no
[09:08] <_tmac_> i can't select anything
[09:08] <_tmac_> it's a big blue screen
[09:08] <charlie5> you startx from a terminal ?
[09:08] <_tmac_> no it automatically starts up
[09:09] <_tmac_> it runs gdm start
[09:09] <_tmac_> and crashes
[09:09] <_tmac_> and brings me to terminal
[09:09] <charlie5> can you got to a terminal (ctrl-alt-F1) and login and type startx ?
[09:09] <_tmac_> so i have to kill process
[09:09] <pascalFR> draik: the best seems to report these msg to the author of dvdauthor
[09:09] <_tmac_> and then gdm start again
[09:09] <_tmac_> ifi i do that it crashes though
[09:09] <_tmac_> so I have to re-edit my xorg.conf and switch "nvidia" back to "nv"
[09:09] <_tmac_> or it won't load
[09:09] <draik> I guess
[09:09] <draik> I am looking at   http://k9copy.free.fr/
[09:10] <charlie5> _tmac_: what happens if you hit ctrl-alt-F1 ?
[09:10] <_tmac_> but I know for a fact last time I had it set up i was using the "nvidia" instead of NV, i remember specifially changing it
[09:10] <_tmac_> i'm talking to you on KDE right now
[09:10] <pascalFR> draik: project admin is http://sourceforge.net/users/trckjunky/
[09:10] <_tmac_> if i push ctrl alt f1 i'm assuming I won't be here any longer to continue this conversation
[09:11] <charlie5> _tmac_: have you done a system update lately ?
[09:11] <_tmac_> yes
[09:11] <_tmac_> I just installed a few hours ago and updated
[09:11] <charlie5> ok, there was a brief prob with xorg libs that stuffed up nvidia ... but its fixed now
[09:12] <_tmac_> yeah I know
[09:12] <charlie5> if you have latest package should be ok
[09:12] <pascalFR> draik:  yes begin with k9copy@free.fr  and see what he thinks about the pbme
[09:12] <_tmac_> it was working earlier today
[09:12] <_tmac_> and then I screwed something else up so i decided to reinstall ubuntu completely
[09:12] <_tmac_> after I updated i ran apt-get install nvidia-glx
[09:13] <_tmac_> and edited the xorg.conf to switch "nv" to "nvidia" and add enable composite extension
[09:13] <plugs> hi, how do i share a folder on my network so my windows machine can access it?
[09:13] <charlie5> _tmac_: does the kernel version your loading match the linux-restricted-modules version you have ?
[09:13] <_tmac_> i have no idea
[09:13] <|lostbyte|> Where is it that makes the interface up when a connection is established from the outside ?
[09:14] <_tmac_> how would I check that
[09:14] <|lostbyte|> Automatically.
[09:14] <pascalFR> 9am in france
[09:14] <dein> plugs, ubuntu doesnt do samba shares well, theres alot of editing of files etc
[09:14] <charlie5> _tmac_: when you boot from grub ... check the kernel version ... then use adept to check the version of linux-restricted-modules ... if they don't match, that might be the prob
[09:15] <_tmac_> but how would that even happen?
[09:15] <dein> btw, what kernel do i need to download to get dual core working?
[09:15] <dein> smp?
[09:15] <plugs> dein i just realized since i can view that computer, i dont need to share mine right now so i dont have to worry about it now. thanks for the heads up though when i need to, though =] 
[09:16] <charlie5> if you do a system update, it may install a new kernel version (which does not match the linux-restricted-module version) and automatically update grub to use the new kernel version
[09:16] <dein> np i hues
[09:16] <charlie5> just guessing tho
[09:16] <_tmac_> i'll brb
[09:16] <dein> guess*
[09:17] <plugs> lol whatever
[09:18] <goamind> Hello!
[09:18] <dein> guys, what kernel image would i use?
[09:18] <dein> heya
[09:18] <goamind> I want to install Yahoo mes in ubuntu 6.1...
[09:18] <dein> the i686 one?
[09:18] <goamind> and it asks for some libs that I don't have in the daper
[09:19] <dein> you may have to build them from source goamind
[09:19] <goamind>  ymessenger depends on libssl0.9.6; however:
[09:19] <goamind>   Package libssl0.9.6 is not installed.
[09:19] <dein> btw, why do you want yim?
[09:19] <goamind> ymessenger depends on xlibs (>> 3.3.6); however:
[09:19] <goamind>   Package xlibs is not installed.
[09:19] <goamind> I kinda don't like Gaim
[09:19] <dein> you might wanna try kopete
[09:19] <goamind> what has it more than gaim?
[09:20] <draik> FIGURED IT OUT!!!!
[09:20] <dein> plus yahoo instant messenger on linux is about as featureful as gaim
[09:20] <draik> pascalFR, I got it
[09:20] <skryking> interoperability with kontact suit
[09:20] <dein> so it's kinda useless
[09:20] <goamind> hmmm
[09:20] <goamind> is kopete better?
[09:21] <dein> its really a matter of preference
[09:21] <draik> k9Copy will NOT burn to DVD, you have to create the files and then burn them
[09:21] <draik> ugh
[09:21] <goamind> I dont like the fact that others can't send files through it
[09:21] <dein> through gaim?
[09:22] <dein> kopete has the same problem, and yahoo instant messenger does too if i remember correctly
[09:22] <skryking> is there a kubuntu specific mailing list?
[09:23] <Jucato> skryking: yes. kubuntu-users
[09:23] <Jucato> hold on I'll get a link
[09:23] <draik> Jucato
[09:23] <draik> I got it
[09:23] <draik> it's working
[09:23] <Jucato> draik: nice! :)
[09:23] <draik> k9copy has an issue with burning straight to DVD
[09:24] <Jucato> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users
[09:24] <draik> you have to save the info to your hdd and then burn it to DVD
[09:24] <draik> well, time to shower (I shaved my head)
[09:24] <cps1966> !source-o-matic
[09:24] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[09:24] <draik> TTYL Jucato
[09:25] <draik> if pastelFR comes back, tell him I said Thanks
[09:25] <Jucato> sure
[09:25] <skryking> Jucato: thanks
[09:26] <skryking> I think I finally have the filters for ktts working with konversation...
[09:27] <grexk> !seen Jucato
[09:27] <ubotu> Jucato is on IRC right now!
[09:28] <jpiccolo> is there a command to see how much disk space i have left
[09:28] <grexk> df
[09:29] <skryking> use df -k or df -h to get it in a more readable format, use -l with it if you don't want to wait on remotely mounted disks
[09:30] <Jucato> grexk: heh :)
[09:30] <grexk> du for disk usage
[09:30] <Jucato> jpiccolo: you could also right-click on an empty space in Konqueror (file browser mode) and select Properties
[09:30] <grexk> Jucato: mwaaaaaaaahhh
[09:30] <Jucato> lol
[09:31] <grexk> Jucato: lol
[09:31] <Jucato> or if you want a nice graphical representation, you could install Filelight :)
[09:31] <skryking> filelight is nice
[09:31] <Jucato> very nice... if only it didn't crash everytime you close it...
[09:31] <grexk> qtparted as well
[09:32] <grexk> none so far...
[09:32] <Jucato> hm.. they're both GUI's? :D
[09:32] <skryking> both written in c++?
[09:33] <Jucato> hm.. I think it ends there... :)
[09:33] <grexk> The End
[09:34] <emonkey> hello
[09:34] <grexk> hi
[09:34] <Jucato> hi
[09:34] <emonkey> I've got a huge problem that all my hotkeys doesn't work anymore
[09:34] <emonkey> I've tryed to change some Design settings on kde
[09:35] <emonkey> now every login starts the kde welcome assistent
[09:35] <emonkey> And if I try to open the hotkey dialog in the system settings the programm crashes everey time
[09:35] <emonkey> heres the traceback:
[09:35] <emonkey> http://kubuntu.pastebin.ca/168729
[09:36] <emonkey> Is there a solution for that? Does somebody knows that problem
[09:37] <punkmexic> hello i have just connected via kubuntu for first time..i notice my monitor in a resolution in 800x 600 but i know i can see it in 1200 but it doesnt give me option is there a way to solve it without rebooting cuz im dialup
[09:40] <Kiongku_> try alt+F2 and then run kcontrol emonkey
[09:40] <emonkey> Kiongku_, Alt+F2 doesn't work too
[09:40] <emonkey> but i can start it through the run command in the menue
[09:41] <Kiongku_> ah sorry sorry.. but anyway run it and try
[09:42] <emonkey> Kiongku_, ok it works, i can change some hotkey, but it doesn't work either
[09:43] <Kiongku_> emonkey: .. hmm sorry i'm not really good in those config options :(
[09:43] <Kiongku_> emonkey: may be there's another setting thats wrong..
[09:44] <emonkey> no problem... suspect is too that on every login the login assisten is starting....
[09:45] <Kiongku_> emonkey: does it ask u for country etc.. for starter stuff?
[09:45] <emonkey> Kiongku_, yes every login
[09:46] <Kiongku_> emonkey: well i had this problem too before..
[09:46] <emonkey> so how u have fixed it?
[09:46] <Kiongku_> emonkey: i edited the file that runs at startup
[09:46] <Kiongku_> emonkey: i commented the lines that run the assistant
[09:46] <emonkey> /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc right?
[09:47] <Kiongku_> emonkey: i dunt think so.. it was more like kderc or something
[09:48] <emonkey> ok, that should fix that one problem but I think there's a relation between all this problems... I've got this till a changed some Design things... :(
[09:48] <Kiongku_> emonkey: oh O_O
[09:48] <Jucato>  /usr/bin/startkde I think...
[09:48] <Kiongku_> emonkey: personally i wanted to customise the desktop but rather lazy for it to crash right now lol
[09:49] <Kiongku_> Jucato: yo
[09:49] <Jucato> hi :)
[09:49] <Kiongku_> Jucato: did u ever encounter dat video files?
[09:49] <skryking> well its 2:50 am, I have to get up at 6:30am ... better go to bed
[09:49] <emonkey> oh here's 09:50
[09:50] <emonkey> gn8 skryking
[09:50] <Jucato> Kiongku_: in windows, yeas...
[09:50] <Jucato> yes*
[09:50] <Kiongku_> its 11:50 am here... close to lunch time
[09:50] <Jucato> (almost 4pm here...)
[09:50] <Kiongku_> Jucato: hwo about linux :p?
[09:51] <wry> is there a kaffeine firofx plugin or does the totem xine one do the trick?
[09:51] <Jucato> Kiongku_: let me check. most VCD's I think use something like AVSEQsomething.DAT?
[09:51] <Kiongku_> yah.. but i have it as a stand alone file.. not in a VCD
[09:52] <Jucato> hm...
[09:52] <Jucato> and Kaffeine won't play them?
[09:52] <Kiongku_> Jucato: yah... error
[09:52] <Jucato> let me check...
[09:55] <ninHer> Jucato have you tried vlc for playing everything ?
[09:55] <Jucato> ninHer: nope. never had a need to actually...
[09:55] <Jucato> Kiongku_: error here too. but playing a VCD works fine
[09:56] <ninHer> my particular opinion is that vlc beats kaffeine
[09:56] <ninHer> give it a try
[09:56] <Kiongku_> darn..
[09:56] <Jucato> probably... except that I have had no reason to actually try it.
[09:56] <IRCMonkeyX> hi to all , i have installed ubuntu at my pc at the moment, i have kubuntu cd too now , how can i install kubuntu on ubuntu withoult losing any data ? is it possible ?
[09:56] <Jucato> Kaffeine just works for what I need...
[09:56] <Kiongku_> :\
[09:56] <ninHer> ok, it is up to you
[09:57] <Jucato> actually I do remember having used VLC twice in Breezy
[09:57] <b0uncer> IRCMonkeyX: just install kubuntu-desktop using Synaptic
[09:57] <b0uncer> and perhaps remove ubuntu-desktop and the depending packages if you wish
[09:57] <IRCMonkeyX> b0uncer: i have limited adsl connection, cant i do it from kubuntu cd ?
[09:58] <b0uncer> if you keep both gnome and kde you'll get both apps in both environment's menus, so it's a bit of a mess..but there's a solution for that in the wiki if I'm correct
[09:58] <Jucato> IRCMonkeyX: not if that Kubuntu CD is the Desktop CD
[09:58] <IRCMonkeyX> what about removing ubuntu and installing kubuntu ?
[09:58] <b0uncer> yeah..but installing kubuntu-desktop installs basically kde and some stuff, some of the basic apps are already there so you are not downloading a complete 700 megs anyway
[09:59] <b0uncer> IRCMonkeyX: if you've done the normal installation and your /home is not on a separate partition, you'll lose data
[09:59] <Jucato> true.. probably just 1/3 of the contents of the CD...
[09:59] <Jucato> IRCMonkeyX: you'll probably want to install kubuntu-desktop first before removing ubuntu
[10:00] <IRCMonkeyX> in fact, i dont know exactly the difference between ubuntu and kubuntu, is it only kde desktop ,*
[10:00] <IRCMonkeyX> ?
[10:00] <Jucato> This guide might help in installing KDE: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/kde
[10:01] <b0uncer> IRCMonkeyX: the difference is that they have different desktop environments (KDE vs Gnome), and different sets of apps to do different tasks
[10:01] <b0uncer> like Kaffeine (video player) on Kubuntu, and Totem on Ubuntu
[10:01] <b0uncer> but basically it's just the same. just different apps to do the job
[10:02] <b0uncer> you can think it like this: you've got only one OS (Ubuntu linux) but you can choose how it looks out; check screenshots at www.kde.org and www.gnome.org
[10:03] <IRCMonkeyX> b0uncer: if so, i need to download many new things ? shouldnt i use kubuntu cd instead synaptic ? isnt it better ?
[10:03] <b0uncer> well with Kubuntu cd install you'll get the whole system in one shot. Using synaptic you only download the apps you lack, which is less than the whole cd
[10:04] <Jucato> IRCMonkeyX: you won't be able to do that with the Desktop CD. the Desktop CD will completely overwrite everything
[10:04] <b0uncer> on the other hand, using Kubuntu cd you'll have to format your harddisk, using synaptic you just add software
[10:04] <IRCMonkeyX> i see...
[10:05] <IRCMonkeyX> how can i format the drive where ubuntu is ? is it from terminal ?
[10:05] <b0uncer> the installation does it automatically, but it means you lose everything on your harddisk unless you back it up first
[10:05] <IRCMonkeyX> i mean lets say i dont wanna use ubuntu and kubuntu
[10:06] <IRCMonkeyX> just formatting ubuntu ?
[10:06] <b0uncer> so you mean you just want to get an empty harddisk?
[10:06] <IRCMonkeyX> nope
[10:07] <IRCMonkeyX> i have partitions, dual os, xp and ubuntu
[10:07] <b0uncer> ok
[10:07] <b0uncer> so you want to get rid of ubuntu, so that you'll have only XP and empty space
[10:07] <b0uncer> right?
[10:07] <IRCMonkeyX> i wi will not do it, but i wanna know the way, yes exactly like what you said
[10:08] <_tmac_> well
[10:08] <_tmac_> charlie5: i got it working
[10:08] <_tmac_> i just reinstalled ubuntu, then kubuntu, and then nvidia drivers
[10:08] <b0uncer> then you'll need to have the XP recovery console that's either on the XP install disks or installed on your harddisk
[10:08] <b0uncer> it depends
[10:08] <_tmac_> i donno why it worked when i did it a second time lol
[10:08] <_tmac_> exact same process
[10:08] <_tmac_> "x
[10:08] <_tmac_> :x
[10:08] <b0uncer> then you can just run the recovery console and there run "fixmbr" that recovers the WinXP bootloader
[10:09] <b0uncer> after this you can use the Windows tools to remove the Ubuntu partitions
[10:09] <b0uncer> from the Computer Management -window
[10:09] <charlie5> _tmac_: yeah, it happens :) ... good news it working :D ... i hate that sorta trubble ;)
[10:09] <_tmac_> yeah I dunno
[10:09] <_tmac_> i was really hoping i could do it without reinstalling entirely
[10:09] <b0uncer> if you don't run "fixmbr" from the WinXP recovery console but just remove Ubuntu, you are unable to boot any OS since GRUB gets broken
[10:10] <_tmac_> my grub is broken on my windows drive, that's kinda funny
[10:10] <_tmac_> but it's a different physical drive
[10:10] <_tmac_> I have to fix that, next
[10:10] <_tmac_> lol
[10:10] <IRCMonkeyX> bouncer: i have that bad grub thing
[10:10] <charlie5> _tmac_: reinstalling's a pain in the arse, but it usually cures all ... usually :)
[10:10] <b0uncer> IRCMonkeyX: what's "bad" in it? :)
[10:10] <_tmac_> well
[10:10] <_tmac_> i think reinstalling is easy
[10:10] <_tmac_> i have a live cd for ubuntu
[10:10] <_tmac_> so I just play mahjongg
[10:10] <_tmac_> and it does its thing
[10:11] <_tmac_> lol
[10:11] <b0uncer> haha :)
[10:11] <IRCMonkeyX> grub: i lost my data cause of grub, my windows was ntfs, i couldnt get my data :(
[10:11] <_tmac_> :)
[10:11] <charlie5> _tmac_: yeah, the install is ok ... its the customisation afterwards thats no fun
[10:11] <_tmac_> I can access my NTFS data from my windows hdd
[10:11] <_tmac_> and my windows hdd's grub is also messed up
[10:11] <_tmac_> ya, i know what you mean :x
[10:11] <_tmac_> lol
[10:11] <_tmac_> I have fast internet thoguh so updates are pretty quick
[10:12] <charlie5> yep, fast net helps ... i've just switched from 33k dialup to 521k bband :D
[10:12] <b0uncer> IRCMonkeyX: grub is just a bootloader. It works as far as you don't remove it's files, and if you want to get rid of it, you need to install another bootloader. Getting the XP bootloader back is a matter of a short moment
[10:13] <charlie5> oops 512k
[10:13] <Chousuke> charlie5: heh.
[10:13] <b0uncer> if you press F8 during boot, before Windows starts, you should get the Windows boot prompt, and if that list has "Recovery console" you're fine..or if you have the XP install cds from which you can boot and get the same thing
[10:13] <Chousuke> I don't consider 512 so fast anymore :P
[10:14] <Chousuke> but when I first got from dialup to 256, it felt like the fastest thing ever. :D
[10:14] <b0uncer> even if you managed to break grub, and was unable to boot XP, it's not a problem since you can just use the XP install cds or a boot disk to run fixmbr which gets you out of trouble
[10:14] <b0uncer> claudiu: hi :)
[10:14] <charlie5> Chousuke: :) ... its pure joy compared to the old ;)
[10:14] <b0uncer> Chousuke: me neither after getting a 10MB connection (yes, you read it right)
[10:14] <IRCMonkeyX> bouncer: thank you very much
[10:15] <Chousuke> My current connection can do 5MB/s sometimes, but it needs a good server
[10:15] <b0uncer> IRCMonkeyX: no problem :) if you have more questions, just ask...I'm going to make some tea but will be back in a minute
[10:15] <b0uncer> -->
[10:15] <IRCMonkeyX> :) i will
[10:15] <Chousuke> mostly I just get 600kB-1MB/s
[10:15] <charlie5> what does making a partition active mean ... is that the partition which gets checked 1st for a bootloader ?
[10:15] <Chousuke> which is good enough for me
[10:16] <b0uncer> <--
[10:16] <charlie5> i install kubu to a different partition and made it the active one ... now i think my bootloader is coming from there ?
[10:16] <b0uncer> charlie5: I think it's the thing that tells Windows from which partition to boot from
[10:16] <b0uncer> but I don't think Linux uses that
[10:17] <b0uncer> though I'm not 100% sure so you'll want to check it from somebody else :)
[10:18] <b0uncer> and if you installed Kubuntu, you probably installed grub to MBR so the active partition doesn't matter
[10:18] <charlie5> b0uncer: thanks, i dunno much about bootloaders/partitions ... just enuff to make me very nevous when i play with 'em :)
[10:18] <b0uncer> heh :)
[10:18] <jpiccolo> what would be the file path to a mounted dvd
[10:18] <b0uncer> jpiccolo: probably /media/dvd or /media/cd
[10:19] <jpiccolo> i cant cd to it
[10:19] <b0uncer> it depends but you'll see it if you issue the command "mount" (just that word) in console
[10:19] <b0uncer> mount tells you all the mounted filesystems and where they are mounted
[10:19] <b0uncer> in addition you need read rights in order to cd to the place
[10:20] <jpiccolo> would it be varlock -ed
[10:42] <berkes> mornin'
[10:42] <berkes> does anyone here know how I can find out what port(s) samba uses?
[10:43] <berkes> I want to map the ports in my router to my local smb server, but cannot find any details
[10:43] <Mortice> http://lists.samba.org/archive/samba/2002-January/036471.html
[10:43] <Mortice> top result on a web search.
[10:43] <berkes> netbios?
[10:43] <Mortice> ...yes.
[10:44] <berkes> I grepped that file for smb and samba, but would have never tought to look for netbios :)
[10:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> berkes, it uses standard widnows file sharing ports
[10:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe.
[10:52] <berkes> Kamping_Kaiser: Mortice thanks!
[10:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> berkes, np. gl with it
[10:53] <berkes> gl?
[10:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> good luck
[10:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> but bbl
[10:55] <daniloc> abattoir: bro, there?
[10:56] <daniloc> !seen asset
[10:56] <ubotu> I haven't seen asset recently
[10:56] <daniloc> :(
[10:56] <daniloc> sing for the moment
[11:01] <b0uncer> hey wait a minute where's KDE 3.5.4 I'm having 3.5.2. as said by the "About" dialog?
[11:01] <b0uncer> have I missed something?
[11:02] <Jucato> resurrexit
[11:02] <berkes> not so good luck :(. does anone know if lsof -i tells what potr something uses?
[11:02] <Jucato> nani?
[11:02] <berkes> s/potr/port/
[11:02] <Jucato> wakarimasen...
[11:02] <Jucato> b0uncer: KDE 3.5.4 on Dapper?
[11:03] <b0uncer> Jucato: yeah that's what the topic says
[11:03] <plugs> hi, i'm trying to copy files over a network to my machine. i get this dialog: "Please enter authorization information for: Server: owner Share: C"
[11:03] <Jucato> b0uncer: unless you absolutely need to, I'd suggest upgrading to KDE 3.5.3 instead. KDE 3.5.4 on Dapper is quite buggy..
[11:04] <Jucato> well, just some annoying bugs. but still workable and usable
[11:04] <b0uncer> Jucato: ok..what kind of bugs for example?
[11:04] <b0uncer> but anyway, I'm having 3.5.2 is there anything really "new" in 3, or should I just pass it
[11:06] <plugs> What "authorization information" should i enter when copying my files over a network? it asks for a username and password.
[11:06] <Jucato> bugs in KDE 3.5.4 (on Dapper only): KPersonalizer starting up every login (can be "fixed"), some problems with HAL (removable devices and storage media), System Settings crashing when accessing Command Shortcuts tab in Keyboard Shortcuts, Power Savings resets to Enabled and 30 mins upon restart
[11:06] <b0uncer> ok
[11:07] <b0uncer> so I won't be updating
[11:07] <b0uncer> thanks :)
[11:07] <b0uncer> gotta go, thanks everyone and have a nice day \p
[11:08] <plugs> Anyone? =] 
[11:08] <roconnor> Yesterday I upgraded from Breezy to Dapper on my Thinkpad X40.  Now Fn-F4 no longer suspends-to-ram :(  But I can suspend by using the menu on the battery monitor icon.
[11:09] <bobbin> plugs: that should depend on the other devices in the network and how they are set up.
[11:10] <plugs> bobbin what do you mean?
[11:10] <bobbin> plugs: Have you set each machine up with different logins?
[11:11] <plugs> the machine i want to copy from is a windows machine and doesnt have a password
[11:11] <andrea> ciao a tutti
[11:13] <bobbin> http://www.windowsnetworking.com/articles_tutorials/Migrating-Vista-using-Windows-Easy-Transfer.html
[11:13] <bobbin> http://digg.com/security/Hacking_Into_Almost_Any_Windows_XP_Machine_With_Just_A_Few_Tricks
[11:15] <bobbin> plugs: regarding windows, I don't know. Maybe it's asking you to type your password (like sudo) before trying to reach the other machine.
[11:15] <cox377> is there any know issues with reinstalling windows are a kubuntu install?
[11:16] <plugs> right. well i tried typing my password i use for sudo, and i tried typing my windows username without a password too, so i don't know.
[11:17] <plugs> i'll hassle with it later. it's 2:15 AM here.
[11:17] <bobbin> plugs: does it ask for user/password or just password? (Sleep well.)
[11:17] <plugs> username and password.
[11:17] <bobbin> plugs: did you try "" (no password)?
[11:18] <plugs> not sure what you mean
[11:18] <bobbin> just hit enter/return
[11:18] <bobbin> no user no pass
[11:18] <cox377> Anyone?
[11:18] <plugs> i dont think i tried leaving both empty
[11:18] <bobbin> Sorry I can't help more than that.
[11:18] <plugs> that didn't work
[11:18] <bobbin> :-|
[11:18] <plugs> What a mystery!
[11:19] <bobbin> Good luck!
[11:19] <plugs> Thanks for trying =]  i'm out.
[11:20] <bobbin> bye
[11:22] <cox377> is there any know issues with reinstalling windows after a kubuntu install?
[11:22] <cox377> is there any known issues with reinstalling windows after a kubuntu install?**
[11:23] <frojnd> cox377 if u still have NTFS partition there shouldn't be a problem
[11:23] <cox377> nah
[11:23] <cox377> its had kubuntu for quite a while
[11:23] <gogeta> anyone try looking glass yet
[11:23] <frojnd> just ext3?
[11:24] <cox377> frojnd: yeh, i pop the windows cd in and it tells me
[11:24] <frojnd> cox377
[11:24] <frojnd> fdisk
[11:24] <frojnd> wat it tells?
[11:24] <frojnd> what*
[11:24] <cox377> frojnd: boot cd-rom type: non emulation booting
[11:25] <cox377> frojnd: thats when trying to boot from the windows CD
[11:25] <frojnd> u should learn fdisk
[11:25] <frojnd> and make a fat32 partition
[11:25] <cox377> frojnd: where do i run fdisk?
[11:25] <frojnd> or even NTFS if linux support that
[11:25] <frojnd> conzole
[11:26] <cox377> Ummm
[11:26] <skillet> i am not longer able to login in to kde.. the kpanel keeps crashing. anyone have any idea how what is causing this and how i can attempt to fix it
[11:26] <cox377> frojnd: to delete the etxx partition?
[11:26] <frojnd> well, there is a prob
[11:27] <frojnd> I wasn't making anything like this before..
[11:27] <frojnd> I can just tell u what should u do
[11:27] <frojnd> but commands u wil lhave to learn by yourself or keep looking for help here :S
[11:28] <frojnd> how many partitions do u have?
[11:28] <cox377> frojnd: just 1 partition
[11:28] <frojnd> cox377: http://linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/tutorials/3174/3/
[11:28] <frojnd> :S
[11:29] <cox377> frojnd: you would have thought windows would just boot from cd and delete the partition, it's not even booting the cd
[11:29] <frojnd> couse windows don't know ext3
[11:29] <frojnd> I think..
[11:31] <Trackilizer> I just did a "apt-get install kubunut-desktop" but KDE looks rather boring. Can anyone suggest a few themes or icons one can use?
[11:31] <frojnd> cox377 I wish I could help u with this, but I wasn't doing something like that before..
[11:31] <cox377> frojnd: but just booting from CD wouldn't need to touch the HDD would it, just googling looks like a lot of people have this prob, not specifically linux related
[11:32] <frojnd> cox377 when PC starts keep pressing DELITE
[11:32] <frojnd> and u must set in sector "general or sth" boot form CD
[11:32] <frojnd> from*
[11:33] <cox377> frojnd: yeh man, that's all set up, it looks to CD but just doenst like it
[11:33] <frojnd> hm
[11:34] <frojnd> either CD is scratched or u'll have to delite entire partition where linux are installed
[11:35] <frojnd> and format it into fat32
[11:35] <frojnd> couse fat32 is readable by wins
[11:37] <Trackilizer> Can anyone suggest a few Themes and Icons to make KDE look a little more "interesting" than it looks like when you first install kubuntu.
[11:42] <Healot> try Windows XP or Windows Vista theme?
[11:42] <Trackilizer> Where can i find the Vista theme?
[11:43] <Healot> i don't have any idea, but you can always look at kde-look
[11:44] <Trackilizer> Ok, I'll try that.
[11:47] <inc|freaky> hi all. does anyone use edgy with a ati graphics card? i just cant get it to work :( i need the standard way of kubuntu how to install them. i tried the drivers from ati.com but it doesnt work.
[11:52] <chrismir> How can I add a new locales to my system?
[11:53] <Dannilion> hummm
[11:56] <schrd> chrismir: install kde-i18n-$lang
[11:57] <chrismir> schrd: Thx, but that is not what I meant. I'm trying `sudo locale-gen nl_NL.UTF-8` now, so that php will show the date in dutch format
[11:58] <chrismir> I just can't seem to get apache2 restarted now :(
[11:58] <schrd> chrismir: dpkg-reconfigure locales
[11:59] <chrismir> schrd: That was the first thing I did, but it just regenerates an existing list of locales
[12:00] <chrismir> trying to restart apache now, to test the locale-gen thing, but I get an error on restarting (/etc/init.d/apache2 restart)
[12:00] <chrismir> apache2: Could not determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName
[12:00] <chrismir> httpd (pid 4694?) not running
[12:01] <chrismir> though it is running
[12:03] <schrd> How can I reuse my kicker menu, which I created on our previous terminal server (Debian, KDE 3.3) in Kubuntu dapper? I copied all the KDE kiosk configuration stuff, it works, except for the kicker menu. Anyone got an idea where to look?
[12:03] <schrd> it seems to ignore /etc/xdg/menus/* completely
[12:15] <chrismir> yay... got locale working now: sudo locale-gen nl_NL && sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 force-reload
[12:18] <cox377> whats the best app out there for burning
[12:19] <Jucato> k3b :)
[12:19] <cox377> something to burn iso's etc
[12:19] <cox377> jacato: cheers
[12:30] <berkes|afk> does anyone know where I should look (for) if I want a smb/samba server to be accessible no the www?
[12:33] <franck> right click on your folder --> properties and click on share
[12:33] <franck> you can edit /etc/smb.conf too :o)
[12:34] <franck> sorry the right path is /etc/samba/smb.conf :o)
[12:35] <h3sp4wn> That doesn't make it accessible on the www though (I don't think)
[12:36] <h3sp4wn> To me that implies some sort of web interface to the files
[12:38] <ubuntu> salut
[12:38] <eol> salut ubuntu
[12:39] <ubuntu> salut eol
[12:44] <franck> lut
[12:45] <franck> try "public file server" maybe.
[12:45] <franck> it's a kde Appet
[12:48] <Jucato> anyone know of a guide to share files with XP on VMWare? Complete networking and Samba noob here... :(
[12:49] <_blu3ray> hi was installing vncserver on kubuntu and and got it working.. but connects to console type window.. is it possible to connect to the full gui?
[12:53] <Philipp_> hello all
[12:54] <Philipp_> Im want to install qtparted
[12:54] <Philipp_> but can not find  something to add to the sources.list
[12:54] <Philipp_> can someone help
[12:54] <insanekane> hey ... does anyone know if dapper can be installed on SATA drives ?
[12:55] <Philipp_> where can I get a dapper version of qtparted?
[12:55] <Jucato> !qtparted
[12:55] <ubotu> qtparted: A parted frontend using QT. In component main, is optional. Version 0.4.5-2ubuntu9 (dapper), package size 198 kB, installed size 704 kB
[12:56] <Philipp_> yes I have it in list but its not installable?
[12:56] <Philipp_> its reference by another source
[12:56] <Philipp_> but which source ?
[12:56] <fildo> morning ppl
[12:57] <eol> insanekane: yes.
[12:57] <eol> lo fildo
[12:57] <Philipp_> afaik the package should be in univers
[12:58] <Philipp_> I have such entry in sources list but can not get the software
[01:02] <abattoir> Philipp_: did you 'Fetch Updates' ?
[01:02] <abattoir> or 'sudo apt-get update' ?
[01:06] <Philipp_> yes I did an update
[01:06] <Philipp_> Its referenced by another source
[01:06] <Philipp_> dont know where to get it
[01:06] <Jucato> Philipp_: is the main repository enabled?
[01:06] <abattoir> Philipp_: is that the exact message? if it isnt, could you please paste it, or pastebin your   /etc/apt/sources.list file?
[01:06] <abattoir> !pastebin
[01:06] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[01:10] <felix_e> riddell: koffice-latest does still point to koffice-152. please update. thanks.
[01:11] <Philipp_> okay: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23309
[01:11] <abattoir> felix_e: sorry to butt in, but isnt 1.5.2 the last stable release?
[01:12] <felix_e> abattoir: yes. thats what koffice-stable is for :)
[01:12] <abattoir> Philipp_: hmm, you dont have main anywhere(for dapper)
[01:13] <abattoir> Philipp_: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23310
[01:13] <RogueX> Hello everyone..
[01:14] <claudiu> hi all
[01:14] <RogueX> abattoir: How are you?
[01:14] <abattoir> felix_e: ok, makes sense :P
[01:14] <abattoir> hi RogueX :), i'm fine? you?
[01:15] <RogueX> Is anyone getting a program called "checkinstall" continuely showing up in Adept Update but not resolving???
[01:15] <claudiu> i have an old nac 7600 and i would like to use a pci vga card on it. I just dont know how to accomplish this because the mac does not activate the card when booting
[01:15] <RogueX> abattoir: Good, I have been out a little while.. hence my lack of questions here...  (grin)
[01:16] <claudiu> does anyone here have a knowledge with Macs ?
[01:20] <Philipp_> timeout reaching de.archive.ubuntu.com:80
[01:20] <abattoir> RogueX: hehe, ther have been others though, filling your void :P
[01:21] <RogueX> abattoir: Yea, but with you and the other couple of regulars here things seem to go quite smoothly  :)
[01:23] <abattoir> RogueX: yes, i've been a bit busy too, lately, Jucato is the man now :P
[01:24] <RogueX> abattoir: Cool...  this apt-get update bug is annoying me.. LOL
[01:24] <abattoir> RogueX: what's the bug?
[01:25] <RogueX> abattoir: getting a program called "checkinstall" continuely showing up in Adept Update but not resolving???
[01:25] <grothesk_> Hi!
[01:26] <grothesk_> Can somebody tell me why there ist no update to Firefox 1.5.0.6 available for kubuntu?
[01:29] <Philipp_> abatoir. also with your sources.list I can not get qtparted
[01:29] <Philipp_> how can I get qtparted?
[01:30] <grothesk_> Philipp_: apt-get install qtparted
[01:30] <Philipp_> but qtparted is not downloadable
[01:30] <grothesk_> It is located in main
[01:31] <Philipp_> I needf a source in my sources.list for qtparted , again, it tells me that its there is a reference for it ...
[01:31] <Philipp_> its in database but I can not install
[01:32] <grothesk_> Philipp_: sudo apt-get update
[01:32] <abattoir> RogueX: what about Adept? and apt-get?
[01:32] <grothesk_> I just installed qtparted, Philipp_
[01:32] <abattoir> Philipp_: did you do an apt-get update?
[01:33] <abattoir> Philipp_: a 'sudo apt-get update'
[01:33] <Philipp_> yes I did apt-get update
[01:33] <grothesk_> apt-cache policy qtparted
[01:33] <claudiu> abattoir: do you happen to know some irc channel support for ubuntu on Macs ?
[01:33] <Philipp_> pakeet qtparted has no installation canditae is the answer
[01:34] <Philipp_> candidate^
[01:34] <abattoir> claudiu: not sure on exists... what is the issue?
[01:34] <abattoir> *one
[01:34] <grothesk_> Philipp_: Do you use de.archive?
[01:34] <Philipp_> yes , and t5he server is not available
[01:34] <Philipp_> should I try another archive?
[01:35] <abattoir> Philipp_: aah, then yes, please try another one...
[01:35] <grothesk_> Then delete the "de." in your sources list.
[01:35] <RogueX> abattoir: If I upgrade checkinstall it will uninstall a program called "installwatch"   is that bad? or should I do it?
[01:35] <abattoir> RogueX: well it must be replacing it or something... i dont think its bad...
[01:36] <Philipp_> okay I tried the us archive server, the same
[01:36] <Philipp_> are all servers down?
[01:36] <Philipp_> what is going on?
[01:36] <RogueX> abattoir: ok I did it... so now adept is no longer complaining that I have uninstalled updates... :)
[01:37] <abattoir> wait, i'll see the paste again, maybe something is wrong there
[01:37] <abattoir> Philipp_: well, the links in the sources.list file look good
[01:38] <grothesk_> Philipp_: Just use 'archive', no location in front of it.
[01:38] <abattoir> RogueX: that's good :)
[01:39] <Philipp_> hey , thanks !! using no country codes in sources.list did the trick!
[01:40] <RogueX> abattoir: Thanks.. it was one of those things I wasn't shure about it because updater normally applies them and this on it wouldnt unless I uninstalled the other program first
[01:40] <abattoir> RogueX: i think it was awaiting your confirmation for the removal of that package :)
[01:41] <RogueX> abattoir: I think so too..  but normally thats not what happens on update..
[01:42] <abattoir> RogueX: one of the first thing i do after a fresh install is remove it, so i dont know much :P
[01:43] <claudiu> abattoir: I just got a Mac 7600 and I want to connect a pc monitor to it, but this mac does not have a vga connector. So I wanted to use an old PCI vGA card i had in the house
[01:44] <RogueX> abattoir: what do you remove Adept updater??
[01:44] <claudiu> abattoir: and it does not activate it on boot
[01:49] <escay> i could need a little advice on how to install my scanner. it is a HP DeskJet F380 AllinOne Printer with integrated scanner which is reckognized by sane-find-scanner
[01:54] <abattoir> escay: ok, open up kooka, and it should recognise it...
[01:54] <abattoir> escay: if it doesnt, then i guess we'll have to install some stuff...
[01:54] <abattoir> escay: but just try... K-Menu->Graphics->Kooka
[02:04] <gmalex> hi visik7 :)
[02:17] <rod> hi, i'm running kubuntu on a laptop, and am trying to get sound to work at the moment.  alsa is installed and seems fine and i can play sound via the heaphones, but don't hear anything from the laptops speakers?  i've found a few things that have reccomended trying to turn varuous things on and off but i've had no luck with this yet, any ideas?  thanks
[02:19] <abattoir> rod: basic question, but have you increased the volume levels for all the output 'options' in the mixer ?
[02:19] <gavin> needs help
[02:19] <gavin> sudo update-flashplugin
[02:19] <abattoir> rod: also, if you have windows(or another distribution), does the speaker work there?
[02:19] <gavin> any idea what is this "sudo update-flashplugin". where do I key in t his from?
[02:20] <wayne_> morning all
[02:20] <abattoir> gavin: its a command which fetches and installs the latest version of flash...
[02:20] <rod> abattoir: yes i have increased the volume on every setting i could find (alsa, kmix, and xmms), and yes i dual boot with windows and the sound is fine there.  :-/
[02:20] <abattoir> gavin: you enter it in a terminal Kmenu->System->Konsole
[02:21] <abattoir> rod: which laptop?
[02:21] <abattoir> rod: or rather, the model, make etc.
[02:21] <rod> it's an LG xnote p2
[02:21] <abattoir> rod: were you the one asking about the
[02:21] <abattoir> pipe key yesterday?
[02:21] <rod> yes!  and i sorted that by using xmodmap.  :D
[02:22] <rod> (i now have pipe, sterling, and my at sign in the right (british) place!)
[02:23] <gavin> abattoir : I'm using Ubuntu 6.06
[02:23] <rod> (it's a pretty sweet laptop by the way, or it will be when i get these last few issues sorted out)
[02:23] <gavin> abattoir : is it under Applications>Accessories>Terminal?
[02:25] <MetaMorfoziS> anybody please tell me a godd mirror for central europe for edgy knot 2 (with kde)
[02:26] <gavin> abattoir : thanks for your time.... its lagging...I'm gettin out of here
[02:28] <MetaMorfoziS> anybody please tell me a godd mirror for central europe for edgy knot 2 (with kde)
[02:32] <rod>  hi, i'm running kubuntu on a laptop, and am trying to get sound to work at the moment.  alsa is installed and seems fine and i can play sound via the heaphones, but don't hear anything from the laptops speakers?  i've found a few things that have reccomended trying to turn varuous things on and off but i've had no luck with this yet, any ideas?  thanks
[02:34] <Gerrit_> hi
[02:35] <saxton> hi! I'm having problems setting up a printer to print to a remote ipp server
[02:35] <saxton> I have a server which has a printer attached to it, and two clients - on one of the clients, printing works fine, on the other, printing stopped working after apt-get upgrading
[02:36] <arunkale> hello people
[02:36] <saxton> the first error I got while trying to re-setup printing was "unable to find driver", which was fixed with the cleanup drivers command (I've forgotten the name)
[02:37] <saxton> after doing that, the printer was setup successfully, but now the server doesn't accept jobs from this client
[02:37] <saxton> example error log: http://rafb.net/paste/results/aqlFVj85.html
[02:37] <saxton> the client was setup using the printer wizard in kcontrol
[02:38] <halfbloodprince> can anyone tell me an irc channel where i can get some advice on open source CMSes
[02:38] <saxton> (the error log is on the server side)
[02:39] <saxton> anyone have any ideas how to fix this?
[02:41] <rolando> hey where can i ask somebody about easyjet?
[02:41] <frojnd> why my vi editor doen't wanna save my override?
[02:41] <rod> easyjet?!?!?
[02:41] <frojnd> can anyone help me with this
[02:42] <rolando> rod: tak, you know low cost ariline
[02:42] <rolando> *airline
[02:42] <rod> yeah i know the airline, they're crappy.
[02:42] <rolando> rod but i want to know something
[02:42] <rolando> about credit card
[02:42] <rolando> those morons wont pick up the phone nor answer m emails
[02:43] <rod> sounds like easyjet, ha.
[02:45] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[02:46] <Gerrit_> halfbloodprince: there exists a website http://www.opensourcecms.com/ I don't know whether they have an irc channel
[02:47] <halfbloodprince> Gerrit_: yeah, i'm checking out the web site as we speak.. i just wanted some first-hand tips :)
[02:49] <wayne_> can anyone tell me why i cant see dvdisaster in my menus? i apt-get and installed it from command line
[02:49] <Vegeta^> Why is it that when I close my laptop (not shutting off) and when I open op it again, the screen stays shut down, that is "a pure black screen". How can I solve this?
[02:49] <chavo> halfbloodprince, I used to be on the dev team for e107, it's pretty nice
[02:50] <halfbloodprince> chavo: e107? can you tell me some more?
[02:50] <[GuS] > Hi people!, someone knows to solve keyboard problem with xgl/compiz?
[02:50] <chavo> halfbloodprince, it's there at opensourcecms.com or http://e107.org
[02:50] <xwolf-> i've managed to put Shell number 1 in konsole with transparent scheme. but whenever i open a new shell, with ctrl+alt+n, the scheme is white over black. how do i make the transparent scheme default for all tabs i open in konsole?
[02:51] <halfbloodprince> yeah, checking it out..
[02:51] <[GuS] > i am usign spanish keyboard Genius KB-21e Scroll
[02:51] <saxton> xwolf-: in konsole, click on Settings | Save as Default
[02:52] <egarim> how could i allow my user to manage www pages in /var/www ?
[02:52] <chavo> xwolf-, open up the konsole settings and go to the session tab
[02:52] <chavo> you need to set the deafult for the "Shell" session
[02:52] <lupine_85> xwolf-: in settings somewhere, you can select the default session
[02:52] <lupine_85> snap and crackle ;)
[02:52] <chavo> each session can have a different scheme
[02:53] <pierre___> hi
[02:53] <PiR> i've a question
[02:53] <PiR> about KDE
[02:54] <ahmad> why i have some packages in Adept gray-lighted (Disabled)... and how can enable them?
[02:56] <Gerrit_> halfbloodprince: I'm not using a cms. I coded the things i wanted for my small website on my own. But I heard that drupal is a nice one.
[02:56] <PiR> is it possible to separate the panel ?
[02:56] <Jucato> PiR: it's possible to make a new panel
[02:56] <chavo> PiR, yes you can add more panels
[02:56] <Jucato> right-click on the panel > Add New Panel > Panel
[02:57] <Jucato> place it anywhere you want, in any size you want, and with any applet you need...
[02:57] <Jucato> except the System Tray applet, because "there can only be one"...
[02:58] <PiR> right click : i can add a new applet or application but no panel
[02:58] <PiR> o yes
[02:58] <Jucato> :)
[02:58] <PiR> i've seen
[02:58] <PiR> thanks
[02:58] <chavo> PiR, you can middle click and drag applets from one to the other
[02:59] <halfbloodprince> hey Jucato :)
[02:59] <Jucato> hi halfbloodprince! :)
[02:59] <xwolf-> chavo i did what you said, but shells from number 2 and forward aren't transparent.
[03:00] <halfbloodprince> I'm on Kubuntu :)
[03:00] <Jucato> nice :D
[03:01] <Jucato> xwolf-: in shell #1 (the one with the modified settings/transparencies), did you choose "Save as Default" ?
[03:02] <xwolf-> Jucato yeap.
[03:02] <Jucato> hm...
[03:02] <halfbloodprince> I need a CMS that can let users register and avail of the 'interactive' sections of the website.. also one that is easy to theme.. any ideas?
[03:02] <egarim> if i add my user to www-data group it shoul be allow to edit /var/www correct ? but i still get permission denied
[03:02] <Vegeta^> Why does the laptop screen stays black when I close and then open the lid?
[03:02] <berkes> halfbloodprince: Drupal. completely biased, becuase I develop it to :)
[03:03] <halfbloodprince> berkes: is Drupal easy to theme? I've heard it's hard
[03:03] <berkes> halfbloodprince: define easy. :)
[03:03] <gan|y|med> hi
[03:03] <halfbloodprince> Well, i'm used to creating advanced themes in WordPress.. for magazine sites, etc
[03:04] <berkes> halfbloodprince: Drupal is a framework, Wordpress a blog-tool.
[03:04] <berkes> if wordpress[03:04] <Jucato> joomla?
[03:04] <Jucato> just heard of that one...
[03:05] <Gerrit_> joomla is a fork of mambo, right?
[03:05] <berkes> Jucato: it even harder to theme, since it has most HTML hardcoded in its core
[03:05] <berkes> Gerrit_: it is
[03:05] <xwolf-> Jucato fact: when i open scheme configuration and select the "Transparent, Dark Background" (translation from pt_BR), the checkbox to the right isn't checked.
[03:05] <Jucato> ah
[03:05] <halfbloodprince> so which cms is easy to theme
[03:05] <berkes> halfbloodprince: define easy
[03:06] <halfbloodprince> berkes: easy = I can create my own XHTML/CSS template, and include template tags for various functions
[03:06] <berkes> halfbloodprince: then there is none ;
[03:06] <berkes> :)
[03:07] <Jucato> xwolf-: have you tried restarting Konsole?
[03:07] <halfbloodprince> or at least a cms which has good, easily customisable themes available
[03:07] <berkes> halfbloodprince: you might find some deticated apps (like wordpress for blogging) but certainly not a CMS
[03:07] <xwolf-> Jucato several times.
[03:07] <Jucato> hmm... that's really strange...
[03:09] <halfbloodprince> berkes: okay, i'm willing to settle for a cms which has good, easily customisable themes available..
[03:09] <Jucato> xwolf-: ok let's try it one more time... close konsole and launch it.. go to Settings > Schema > Transparent, Dark Background.
[03:09] <Jucato> xwolf-: then Settings > Save as Default
[03:10] <chavo> that will make it default for the "Linux Console" session, but not the Shell session
[03:10] <chavo> just do what I said
[03:11] <xwolf-> wow. it started transparent. then i clicked "Transparent, Dark Background" and it wasn't transparent anymore lol.
[03:11] <berkes> halfbloodprince: if that was your definition of "easy", there is no such CMS available as OSS.
[03:11] <halfbloodprince> berkes: how is postnuke?
[03:12] <berkes> hahaha
[03:12] <Jucato> chavo: I think the default "New" (Ctrl+Alt+N) is New Shell, not New Linux Console
[03:12] <berkes> that is beyond nineties
[03:12] <chavo> exactly
[03:12] <berkes> halfbloodprince: this is rather OT, so have a look here and let it rest :) http://www.cmsmatrix.org/
[03:13] <halfbloodprince> okay, sorry
[03:13] <xwolf-> Jucato even though clicking dark background got me a white over black lookNfeel, i saved as default. next step?
[03:13] <PiR> what are differences between shell and Linux Console
[03:13] <PiR> ?
[03:13] <Jucato> PiR: I have no idea :D
[03:13] <Vegeta^> How do I configre acpid so that my laptop screen doesn't stay black when I open the lid.
[03:13] <berkes> halfbloodprince: NP
[03:13] <PiR> terminal shell or console, i've never seen difference
[03:13] <Jucato> xwolf-: or try a Schema that is more... noticeable, like Transparent, Light Background? then Save as Default. after that, try launching a new session (Ctrl+Alt+N)
[03:14] <halfbloodprince> I'm not being able to make Firefox my default browser
[03:15] <Jucato> xwolf-: or maybe it's not working because you're starting in a different "mode", but launching a new Shell session when pressing Ctrl+Alt+N... not really sure...
[03:15] <Jucato> halfbloodprince: what do you mean?
[03:16] <xwolf-> Jucato here's what happens. i save light bground as default, then open a new session and it comes white over black
[03:16] <xwolf-> i mean, i think it's not white but gray O_o
[03:16] <halfbloodprince> Jucato: I checked the 'check to see if firefox is the default browser' in edit > preferences
[03:16] <PiR> i've read we can install KDE AND Gnome with choice in the boot of the kernel, is there an interest
[03:16] <PiR> ?
[03:16] <halfbloodprince> but firefox doesn't check.. and if i click the 'check now' button, nothing happens
[03:16] <Jucato> halfbloodprince: well, that doesn't work in Linux :P
[03:17] <Jucato> PiR: not at boot, but at the login screen
[03:17] <halfbloodprince> Jucato: what do i do then
[03:18] <PiR> yes scuze
[03:18] <Jucato> halfbloodprince: in System Settings > KDE Components > Default Applications > Web Browser
[03:18] <PiR> there is an interest ?
[03:18] <halfbloodprince> ah okay, thanks
[03:18] <Jucato> PiR: what do you mean by "there is an interest"?
[03:19] <PiR> an advantage ?
[03:19] <halfbloodprince> Jucato: thanks
[03:19] <PiR> (i'm french and my level in english isn't very good)
[03:21] <zinfacter> how come I can't change any of my shared file settings
[03:22] <Jucato> PiR: btw, have you visited the French Ubuntu/Kubuntu channel?
[03:23] <PiR> yes but there are never nobody
[03:23] <PiR> :(
[03:23] <Jucato> ah
[03:23] <Gerrit_> PiR: the advantage is you can try out both desktop environments. and if other people use your computer there is a chance that everybody can use his favorite environment
[03:24] <PiR> ok thanks
[03:24] <PiR> and for the programmes, are there conflicts ?
[03:24] <Jucato> the disadvantage would be you'd have to do a bit of work to keep your menus clean...
[03:24] <Jucato> PiR: no conflicts.
[03:24] <Jucato> GNOME uses its own libraries, and KDE uses its own
[03:24] <PiR> ^^
[03:25] <Gerrit_> you can even use gnome programs within kde and vice versa
[03:26] <Gerrit_> actually it's only a matter of taste
[03:29] <Glj12> hi
[03:30] <Glj12> hi all
[03:30] <Glj12> anyone around?
[03:30] <Jucato> can anyone point me to a guide in setting up Samba in Kubuntu so that I could share files with XP on VMWare? <---- total Samba/Networking noob...
[03:30] <Glj12> when i try to start up kubuntu, it does all the lines loading [ok] , then after that, it just shows kubuntu logo, and hangs there forever.
[03:30] <Glj12> ideas why, and how to possibly fix this?
[03:31] <Glj12> like, i can boot into recovery mode, it fully loads. but when i type startx it doesn't load it up, it just flashes for a second
[03:32] <Jucato> Glj12: did you recently install something? like NVIDIA drivers? or a kernel upgrade?
[03:32] <wayne_> could someone point me to the right docs on how to ssh into my linux box from a windows box remotely and copy files from/to it?
[03:32] <Glj12> nope
[03:32] <Glj12> thats what sounded weird to me
[03:32] <Glj12> b/c i haven't done anything
[03:33] <Glj12> i was only retrieving packets for a file as usual, nothin special
[03:33] <Glj12> i've been doin that on and off for 2 weeks now
[03:33] <Jucato> Glj12: when you type startx, you'll be thrown back into the command line, but there will be some error messages as well. could you remember what those said?
[03:33] <Glj12> i saw something in digg that said: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-core=1:1.0.2-0ubuntu10
[03:33] <Glj12> sure, actually, let me do it now
[03:33] <Glj12> let me bring the laptop here, h/o
[03:33] <Jucato> Glj12: that was about a broken update a month ago. it has been fixed
[03:35] <Glj12> oh, alright
[03:35] <Glj12> ok, i got the error...
[03:35] <Glj12> fatal server error:
[03:35] <Glj12> no screens found
[03:36] <wayne_> are you using a ATI video card?
[03:36] <Glj12> X10 fatal IO error 104 (Connection Reset by peer) on x server ":0.0" after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining.
[03:37] <Jucato> Glj12: try going through the "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" process. of if you're using the proprietary NVIDIA drivers "sudo nvidia-glx"
[03:37] <Glj12> just type that first line you said?
[03:37] <Glj12> ok
[03:37] <Jucato> yeah "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[03:38] <Glj12> server-xorg is not installed
[03:38] <Jucato> Glj12: it's "xserver-xorg"
[03:38] <Jucato> you forgot the "x"
[03:38] <Glj12> woopsy
[03:38] <Glj12> thanks
[03:39] <Glj12> which server driver?
[03:39] <Glj12> i made it autodetect video
[03:39] <Glj12> vesa?
[03:39] <Jucato> Glj12: what's your video card?
[03:39] <Glj12> um... via
[03:39] <Glj12> its onboard the laptop
[03:39] <Jucato> what was the default option highlighted? (I think it should be via or s3?)
[03:40] <Glj12> before the options of vesa and sis?
[03:40] <Glj12> i had selected auto detect
[03:40] <rod> hi, quick question, when i installed kubuntu there was a nifty tool that could resize partitions, can i get access to this now i have kubuntu installed from my desktop?
[03:40] <Jucato> Glj12: yes, but then in the choice of drivers, there will be an option that's selected by default
[03:40] <abattoir> rod: sure, its called qtparted
[03:41] <Jucato> hi abattoir! :)
[03:41] <rod> excellent, thanks!
[03:41] <abattoir> rod: install it by executing 'sudo apt-get install qtparted'
[03:41] <abattoir> Jucato: hi :)
[03:41] <Glj12> rofl, i just hit esc till it was gone. now its booting up kubuntu
[03:41] <Glj12> LOL
[03:41] <abattoir> Jucato: sorry for leaving like that, my internet connection is being terrible :(
[03:41] <rod> abattoir: yeah thanks, gonna go grab it now!
[03:41] <Jucato> abattoir: heh I'm used to it by now :D
[03:41] <Jucato> j/k
[03:42] <Glj12> was that bad to do that? lol
[03:42] <abattoir> rod: werent you the person who asked about the mac dvi o/p ?
[03:42] <rod> abattoir: no, i was asking about my laptop speaker problem earlier
[03:42] <abattoir> rod: aah yes, you got that figured out?
[03:43] <egarim> how could i add an user and allow him to use only ftp and not ssh ?
[03:43] <egarim> i try with /bin/false for login but i get error also with proftpd
[03:43] <rod> abattoir: na, still no sound.  it's my last issue, then i'll have my laptop as i want it.  i just can't find any useful info now though. :-/
[03:43] <Glj12> Jucato: After hitting esc a lot, and rebooted into regular kubuntu, it works now, yay!!!!! thanks!
[03:44] <Ashanty_Granpa> egarim: what is the difference in ftp and ssh ?????????
[03:44] <wayne_> could someone point me to the right docs on how to ssh into my linux box from a windows box remotely and copy files from/to it?
[03:44] <Glj12> i wonder why it did tha in the first place, oh well
[03:44] <Jucato> Glj12: heh you should have pressed Enter a lot :)
[03:44] <abattoir> rod: what's your 'current' issue then ? :P
[03:44] <Jucato> can anyone point me to a guide in setting up Samba in Kubuntu so that I could share files with XP on VMWare? <---- total Samba/Networking noob...
[03:44] <egarim> Ashanty_Granpa: ftp doesn't need a shell i guess
[03:44] <egarim> anyone could help ?
[03:44] <halfbloodprince> Jucato: I think i found the cms i'm looking for :D
[03:45] <Jucato> halfbloodprince: good for you :D
[03:45] <Glj12> welll, it works now, oh well
[03:45] <Glj12> :P
[03:45] <chavo> wayne_, do a google search for putty, it's a windows ssh client
[03:45] <Glj12> yup
[03:45] <lupine_85> for copying files, you'll want psftp.exe
[03:45] <Gerrit_> wayne_: there is a windows program called winscp. that's a nice client
[03:45] <rod> abattoir:  well the sound thing.  i'm taking a break from it and cutting down the size of my windows partition for the moment.
[03:45] <wayne_> thank you
[03:45] <Glj12> yay wine + putty = fun!
[03:46] <halfbloodprince> Jucato: it's called Typo3
[03:46] <halfbloodprince> and the documentation is brilliantly written
[03:46] <Jucato> halfbloodprince: ah.
[03:47] <rod> abattoir: you didn't have any ideas on my sound problem did ya?
[03:47] <abattoir> rod: i think i was searching, when my i got d/c
[03:47] <abattoir> rod: i'll tell you if i find anything :)
[03:48] <rod> abattoir: cool, thanks i'd really appriciate that, it's bugging the hell out of me!
[03:49] <Glj12> um... one other quick question Jucato
[03:49] <Jucato> Glj12: yep?
[03:49] <Glj12> setting up this laptop with a projector, (having it show up on the projector)
[03:49] <Glj12> anything special i need to know? cause the I.T. guy there had no clue why it didnt work
[03:50] <halfbloodprince> brb
[03:50] <Jucato> err.. sorry. I have no idea.. :(
[03:50] <Glj12> heh, its alright dude
[03:50] <Glj12> no worries, it was just that for my "Informative" speech, i was going to demonstrate how to crack WEP. :P
[03:51] <Jucato> heh
[03:51] <Glj12> i guess i'll pass the laptop around or somethin, heeh
[03:52] <xwolf-> Jucato back with that problem. i managed to put Black Over White as default for all tabs. But when doing the same thing with transparent - dark bground, the first one shows ok, but the others i open, even though in the settings->schema menu is checked that, it shows white over black.
[03:54] <xwolf-> eww.. that was a bad sentence.
[03:54] <PiR> somebody knows a irc channel (or server) with it is about music (guitar) spoken ?
[03:55] <xwolf-> -> new tabs appear white over black, but settings->schema has "transparent, dark background" checked.
[03:55] <PiR> (scuze but i don't know irc)
[03:55] <PiR> (there is a mode 'search')
[03:55] <PiR> ?)
[03:56] <xwolf-> PiR irc channel with music lyrics?
[03:57] <PiR> a channel to meet others musicians and to talk music (instrumental)
[03:57] <Gerrit_> PiR: there is the command /list which list all channels with a description
[03:57] <xwolf-> PiR /list *search*
[03:58] <PiR> thanks
[04:02] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. Now this is diffrent..  saw a website with a 'corner' ad.. a little add in the top right corner in the shape of a triangle advertising things..  Only it was advertising Bras....
[04:03] <Dr_Willis> thought it was a porn at at first
[04:03] <[GuS] > people... sombody solve the problem of the keyboard map in xgl? (Kubuntu)
[04:04] <insparedes> ola a todos
[04:04] <[GuS] > insanekane, for spanish #Kubuntu-es
[04:04] <insparedes> ok
[04:05] <insparedes> im spanish
[04:05] <BonBonTheJon> hola
[04:06] <BonBonTheJon> thats the extent of my spanish
[04:06] <insparedes> sabes mas espaol?
[04:06] <abattoir> !es
[04:06] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[04:09] <NeoSaki|Purgator> HP F340...any help with getting the scanner function to work?
[04:10] <insparedes_> !en
[04:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about en - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:10] <abattoir> NeoSaki: try opening kooka
[04:10] <insparedes_> !es
[04:10] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[04:10] <abattoir> NeoSaki: might be recognized out of the box
[04:10] <insparedes_> !jp
[04:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:11] <santi> hi!!!
[04:11] <insparedes_> hi
[04:12] <santi> i checking my new kubuntu...
[04:12] <insparedes_> i recomended this
[04:12] <insparedes_> add/delete programs ejecute this!
[04:12] <insparedes_> and
[04:13] <santi> yes?
[04:13] <insparedes_> writting your password
[04:13] <insparedes_> and
[04:13] <insparedes_> in kde
[04:13] <insparedes_> click
[04:13] <santi> yes?
[04:13] <insparedes_> an select any suite
[04:14] <santi> where i find KDE???
[04:14] <insparedes_> up
[04:14] <insparedes_> next to shearch
[04:15] <Vegeta^> Where/how do I change the action of the power button?
[04:15] <NeoSaki> hrm it states that i do not have SANE installed, but synaptic says I do...guess I gotta do a manual compile from source >_>
[04:15] <santi> hablas espaol??
[04:15] <insparedes_> si
[04:15] <insparedes_> soy espaol
[04:15] <insparedes_> xD
[04:15] <santi> ok.. yo tb
[04:16] <insparedes_> yo complicandome la vida
[04:16] <santi> vamos a ver estoy chateando en el konversation
[04:16] <insparedes_> si
[04:16] <insparedes_> yo es la primera vez que lo uso
[04:16] <santi> si, la verad que esto es un lio, pero al final me cargue el windows y no me queda otra
[04:16] <insparedes_> pfff que pifiada
[04:17] <insparedes_> yo lo tengo en una particion
[04:17] <santi> oye lo de kde... en kubuntu el entorno es kde...
[04:17] <ploob> Hello. qq connais un gestionnaire ftp comme gftp pr kde ?
[04:17] <insparedes_> ya pero no es eso
[04:17] <insparedes_> mira
[04:17] <insparedes_> metete en donde estaba inicio en la K
[04:17] <santi> yo lo tenia en una particion pero jugando con particiones en windows.. algo pas y el win se suicid...jejeje
[04:17] <BonBonTheJon> ploob: kbear
[04:18] <ploob> ok
[04:18] <santi> si vale.. ya estoy
[04:18] <insparedes_> metete en aadir/eliminar programas
[04:18] <Jucato> er....
[04:18] <Jucato> !es
[04:18] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[04:18] <santi> ok
[04:18] <insparedes_> vamos al es vale
[04:19] <santi> ok... aver si loencuentro
[04:19] <insparedes_> !es
[04:19] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[04:19] <insparedes_> metete en el de kubuntu
[04:19] <santi> but yo can speak english too
[04:19] <zorgluuu> here we go :)
[04:20] <ungamed> is there a way to list system information in the console?
[04:20] <insparedes_> im 11 years old xD
[04:20] <santi> insparedes: re u there?
[04:20] <NeoSaki> !sane
[04:20] <ubotu> sane: scanner graphical frontends. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.14-1 (dapper), package size 103 kB, installed size 324 kB
[04:20] <insparedes_> mmm
[04:21] <insparedes_> !es
[04:21] <zorgluuu> ungamed: what do you mjean by 'list of system information'
[04:21] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[04:21] <insparedes_> in kubuntu es click right
[04:21] <santi> ok you said install aplicat....
[04:21] <insparedes_> ans unirse
[04:22] <ungamed> zorgluuu: I mean like getting the output: This system is running a AMD K6-2 300Mhz with 96 Mb Ram etc..
[04:22] <insparedes_> yes
[04:22] <insparedes_> in any suite
[04:23] <zorgluuu> ungamed: nothing as clear as that but you got plenty of info in /proc
[04:23] <zorgluuu> cat /proc/cpuinfo
[04:23] <insparedes_> ablo mejor espaol xD
[04:23] <zorgluuu> cat /proc/meminfo
[04:23] <insparedes_> me lio menos
[04:23] <ungamed> zorgluuu: aight, thx man
[04:23] <insparedes_> !es
[04:23] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[04:23] <insparedes_> !es
[04:23] <insparedes_> !es
[04:24] <Gerrit_> i'm offline. cu
[04:24] <zorgluuu> insparedes_: can you please talk in english in this channel, or if you prefere spanish all the -es channel are nice too :)
[04:25] <insparedes_> is for santi  he is not in channel kubuntu-es is here
[04:25] <insparedes_> nono
[04:25] <insparedes_> bye
[04:25] <santi> insparedes... yet at kubuntu es... see there
[04:26] <insparedes_> ya lo vi
[04:29] <soulrider> hi everyone =)
[04:30] <soulrider> My Kubuntu D just arrived from Ship It!
[04:30] <Jucato> heh... just a month before Edgy is released :D
[04:30] <Jucato> 6.06 or 6.06.1?
[04:37] <soulrider> lol yea
[04:37] <soulrider> uhm
[04:37] <soulrider> dunno =/
[04:37] <soulrider> let me check
[04:37] <emil_p8> I have a severe Xserver crash on shutdown problem (it seems even the kernel locks, no ssh nor magic keys reboot sequence), appeared after the well-known update. The problem is it did not dissapear after the fixed x-server upgrade. Graphic card ati x700 pro. Anyone with the same problem?
[04:37] <soulrider> 6.06 =(
[04:37] <Jucato> ah...
[04:38] <soulrider> weird, i ordered it after 01 was released
[04:38] <Jucato> maybe they haven't updated the stocks yet when you ordered... or they're trying to send out all the 6.06 CD's first
[04:38] <soulrider> yea, probably
[04:39] <soulrider> ill order edgy for me adn my friend when ti coems out
[04:39] <soulrider> im downloading an Ubuntu eBook right now
[04:39] <Jucato> hmm... what eBook?
[04:39] <noiano> hello
[04:39] <soulrider> uhm
[04:39] <soulrider> let me get the name
[04:40] <noiano> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23322 can anyone of you explain the error?
[04:40] <soulrider> Beggining Ubuntu Linux from Novice to Professional
[04:40] <Jucato> soulrider: isn't that book for sale (not free)?
[04:41] <soulrider> are you trying to compile ?
[04:41] <NeoSaki> Ok, Kook didn't work, and SANE is now compiled/installed
[04:41] <NeoSaki> Kook still doesn't work >_>
[04:41] <abattoir> noiano: you need to install glib
[04:42] <noiano> abattoir the which is the package name? glib only?
[04:43] <sleepynico> #pfsense'
[04:44] <abattoir> !info libglib2.0-0
[04:44] <ubotu> libglib2.0-0: The GLib library of C routines. In component main, is optional. Version 2.10.3-0ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 468 kB, installed size 1020 kB
[04:44] <abattoir> noiano: ^^^ i think its that one
[04:45] <noiano> ok thanks
[04:45] <abattoir> !info libglib2.0-0-dev
[04:45] <ubotu> Package libglib2.0-0-dev does not exist in any distro I know
[04:45] <abattoir> !info libglib2.0-dev
[04:45] <ubotu> libglib2.0-dev: Development files for the GLib library. In component main, is optional. Version 2.10.3-0ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 485 kB, installed size 1948 kB
[04:45] <abattoir> noiano: ^^^ try installing that if it still complains
[04:45] <insparedes_> !INFO EMU
[04:45] <ubotu> Package emu does not exist in any distro I know
[04:46] <NeoSaki> Any help with a HP F340 scanner? HPLIP sees it, just has a I/O problem when trying to communicate
[04:54] <NeoSaki> seems to be the one question there is no answer for >_>
[04:55] <arsenique> dsa
[04:56] <draik> abattoir, did you find the script?
[04:56] <draik> Jucato, how goes it?
[04:56] <Jucato> hi draik! :)
[04:56] <Jucato> back on Dapper :P
[04:56] <abattoir> draik: hmm, give me a few mins. :P
[04:56] <draik> ok
[04:56] <draik> Jucato, I'm finally seeing what I was doing wrong
[04:57] <Jucato> draik: what was it?
[04:57] <Ash-Fox> Something has been really bothering me ever since I switched to kubuntu, the windows key doesn't open KDE's menu, how does one configure that?
[04:58] <draik> k9Copy can't autoburn, even though it has that option
[04:58] <draik> and it hasn't been supported since June 2005
[04:58] <Jucato> eh?
[04:59] <draik> Its funny actually
[04:59] <abattoir> Ash-Fox: afaik it cant be done easily...
[04:59] <draik> k9copy has the option to autoburn once its done, but it does it anyway right after its done reading a DVD anyway
[04:59] <emil_p8> Ash-Fox: Alt+F1. Dont' know of other solution, but in an old MEPIS the win key worked
[04:59] <abattoir> Ash-Fox: that key is used as a binding key...
[04:59] <abattoir> Ash-Fox: which means you can used it in combination w/ other keys(like in amarok)
[05:00] <Jucato> Ash-Fox: try Win+Space
[05:00] <Jucato> (but with Katapult... who needs K Menus? hehehehe)
[05:00] <abattoir> Jucato: what does that do?
[05:00] <abattoir> Jucato: you mean Alt+Space?
[05:00] <Jucato> same as Alt+F1 irc
[05:00] <Ash-Fox> abattoir, it's annoying, most other distros, mandriva, suse, fedora etc. used it
[05:00] <Ash-Fox> windows key + space doesn't work.
[05:01] <Jucato> ah must have mapped it myself...
[05:01] <Jucato> sorry
[05:01] <abattoir> Ash-Fox: i dont know about that, but i think it is somehow used by KDE itself as a binding key...
[05:01] <abattoir> Ash-Fox: maybe Jucato can tell you how he mapped it
[05:01] <Jucato> abattoir: I don't know how to luanch K Menu with only the Win key...
[05:02] <abattoir> Jucato: oh, you meant Win+Space...
[05:02] <Jucato> er.... yes I did... :)
[05:02] <abattoir> Ash-Fox: i used to use the menu key to launch the kmenu
[05:02] <emil_p8> Ash-Fox: if you configure your shortcut scheme in kcontrol (win, kde style, etc,) maybe the win+something will open the menu as in WIndows
[05:02] <abattoir> Ash-Fox: the one on the other side of the spacebar(meant for rt.click menus)
[05:03] <abattoir> i've never really used it for its original purpose
[05:03] <draik> I have been used to win for quite some time. When I first switched to Kubuntu I pressed it maybe a few 10 times before I could remember, THIS WORKS, SO IT CAN'T BE WIN
[05:03] <abattoir> Ash-Fox: should be under Regional...
[05:03] <draik> *THIS OS WORKS
[05:04] <egarim> how could i add an user and allow him to use only ftp and not ssh ?
[05:07] <trappist> egarim: use an ftp server that maintains its own list of users (not system users)
[05:07] <emil_p8> Ash-Fox: regional/accesibility_keyboard shortcuts, set windows scheme and instead of alt F1 it'll be ctrl+esc, as in windows (it wasn't win+something, sorry)
[05:07] <zorgluuu> egarim: or doesnt set any shell for this user
[05:07] <egarim> zorgluuu: alredy try
[05:08] <egarim> but doesn't works
[05:08] <egarim> i try with bin/false
[05:08] <Ash-Fox> emil_p8, yeah, I'm going to still try to figure out how todo this though :P
[05:09] <draik> Ash-Fox, did you find anything... I think I might have your answer
[05:09] <trappist> egarim: I tried it that way but ftp didn't work with the shell set to /bin/false
[05:09] <trappist> with pure-ftpd
[05:09] <trappist> which didn't make any sense to me
[05:09] <emil_p8> Ash-Fox: well, would be nice if the win key alone could do it :-(
[05:10] <menace> Could anyone recommend a nice C++ compiler for kubuntu linux please?
[05:12] <zorgluuu> !build
[05:12] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[05:12] <Ash-Fox> draik, I found some answers, but not theanswer to getting the menu to popup with just the windwos key
[05:12] <zorgluuu> menace: this is g++
[05:12] <Ash-Fox> emil_p8, it can on other distros, so I know it's possible
[05:12] <menace> zorgluuu: could you explain?
[05:13] <emil_p8> Ash-Fox: right, in mepis as i said before
[05:13] <zorgluuu> menace: everybody uses the same c++ compiler on linux, and this is g++
[05:13] <menace> Ok.
[05:13] <h3sp4wn> some people use intel's compiler
[05:13] <menace> What is that C++ compiler's name zorgluuu?
[05:13] <zorgluuu> ok :) 1millions of pro use the intel one :)
[05:14] <zorgluuu> menace: g++ :)
[05:14] <menace> Ah sorry for my ignorance
[05:14] <zorgluuu> ibm got one too :)
[05:14] <zorgluuu> menace: dont be sorry  :)
[05:17] <menace> Which should i get? out of :g++, g++-2.95, g++-3.3, g++-3.4, and g++-4.0
[05:19] <zorgluuu> menace: 4.0 this is the last
[05:19] <menace> ok thank you zorgluuu
[05:19] <zorgluuu> some programm require 3.4 for compatibilities
[05:19] <menace> so i should get both?
[05:20] <zorgluuu> it is unlikly you need 3.4
[05:20] <zorgluuu> so up to you to see
[05:20] <menace> alright
[05:20] <zorgluuu> or you get 4.0 and install 3.3 when you need it
[05:20] <menace> ok
[05:21] <Sikon> how do I make the main menu open with the Windows key? KDE doesn't allow me to select it as a non-modifier key
[05:21] <menace> how do you uninstall programs via the terminal?
[05:22] <Sikon> menace> sudo apt-get remove packagename
[05:22] <menace> ok thanks
[05:22] <freddirkse> hi all.  Anyone have some insight on software raid?
[05:22] <emil_p8> Ash-Fox: i'm gonna try this: http://opensource.weblogsinc.com/2005/05/27/miss-the-win-key-in-linux-use-kde/
[05:22] <NeoSaki> freddirkse: what you need?
[05:23] <freddirkse> NeoSaki: Raid1 setup.  Working fine for a month. I upgraded my kernel from 2.6.12-9 to 2.6.15-26 amd64, and now I can't boot.  get "waiting for root file system" for awhile, then drops to shell because it can't find /dev/md1.  Can't roll back to my old kernel either...seg faults.  Not sure what I did.
[05:24] <h3sp4wn> 2.6.12 is breezy 2.6.15 is dapper
[05:24] <NeoSaki> freddirkse: How'd you update it?
[05:24] <freddirkse> apt-get
[05:24] <MetaMorfoziS> bye all
[05:25] <freddirkse> ubuntu did all it's normal stuff in grub and moving the old kernel and initird...that's why i can't figure out why I can't boot to the old kernel now...
[05:25] <ploob> lu
[05:26] <ploob> Jv l'exploser Kbear
[05:26] <ploob> Il marche pas -_-
[05:26] <ploob> Vous avez pas un bon client ftp :( pr kde
[05:26] <freddirkse> ...it did update the mkinitramfs while updating the kernel also.  could that hose it up?
[05:26] <Sikon> emil_p8> tried that, but the Windows key doesn't open the menu :(
[05:26] <zorgluuu> !fr
[05:26] <abattoir> !fr
[05:26] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[05:26] <abattoir> draik: around?
[05:26] <zorgluuu> me first :)
[05:26] <Sikon> !ru
[05:26] <ubotu> Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke. Russian users please try #ubuntu-ru, there you may get more help
[05:26] <abattoir> zorgluuu: not on my screen :P
[05:27] <ploob> #kubuntu-fr
[05:27] <zorgluuu> :)
[05:27] <qingquan> Hi everybody I'm Chinese
[05:27] <draik> I'm here
[05:27] <draik> abattoir, I'm here
[05:27] <NeoSaki> !mkinitfs
[05:27] <abattoir> draik: dpkg -l | grep ^ii | awk '{ print $2}' > pkglist
[05:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mkinitfs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:27] <abattoir> draik: that will copy all the installed packages list to pkglist
[05:28] <NeoSaki> not sure what exactly mkinitfs does(never used it)
[05:28] <emil_p8> Sikon: tried it also,doesn't work. Maybe kubuntu modifies kde behaviour about modifiers, who knows
[05:28] <draik> That works for me
[05:28] <abattoir> draik: of course you can substitute pkglist w/ whatever you want...
[05:28] <freddirkse> NeoSaki, is mkinitfs for me?
[05:28] <NeoSaki> yeah
[05:28] <Sikon> and I had no trouble using it in GNOME-Ubuntu
[05:28] <Sikon> :(
[05:28] <abattoir> draik: cat pkglist | while read line; do apt-cache show "${line}"; done > showlist
[05:28] <NeoSaki> freddirksei dont know what it does
[05:28] <NeoSaki> freddirkse i dont know what it does
[05:28] <freddirkse> ....k, I'll check on it quick and see...
[05:28] <abattoir> draik: that reads from the first file and sends the show output to the second file 'showlist'
[05:29] <abattoir> draik: hope that does what you want
[05:29] <abattoir> draik: tell me if it works for you
[05:30] <freddirkse> ...quote: "ubuntu doesn't use mkinitfs it uses mkinitramfs"
[05:30] <qingquan> sad
[05:30] <draik> will do
[05:30] <freddirkse> interesting
[05:30] <menace> I just installed g++-4.0, but i cant find it anywhere, i even typed g++ in the terminal, and run command box, but it cant find g++...what have i done wrong?
[05:30] <abattoir> menace: what do you need to do?
[05:30] <menace> open g++
[05:30] <NeoSaki> freddirkse: i ment, the actual software
[05:30] <NeoSaki> I dont know what it actually is
[05:31] <abattoir> menace: you installed it from the repos?
[05:31] <menace> i found it and installed it via adept
[05:31] <menace> just searched for it
[05:31] <emil_p8> Sikon, Ash-Fox: this, however, works: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/redhat-fedora-linux-help/61123-windows-functionality-win-key.html
[05:31] <draik> abattoir, that works, but this is what I was trying to compare it to... http://www.draikunderlord.com/long.list
[05:32] <Ash-Fox> emil_p8, thanks.
[05:33] <Ash-Fox> Not what I was looking for though.
[05:33] <qingquan> hi everyone
[05:33] <abattoir> draik: your server is slow :(
[05:33] <ubuntu> irc://irc.rizon.net/1warez
[05:33] <draik> yeah, been having issues lately
[05:34] <sleepynico> hi all, I'd like to run ubuntu-server in vmware using the ubuntu-server kernel. this setup does not boot (1001 others having the same issue according to google). but noone seems to have a better idea than installing the desktop kernel. The real phun is that ubuntu-server is *supported* both as guest and host os by vmware (who do not provide an answer either). Any thoughts on this?
[05:34] <emil_p8> Ash-Fox: yeah, personnaly won't use it because i like the default function which is like the right mouse click, and i'm getting pretty accustomed to alt F1
[05:35] <abattoir> draik: dont the commands which i gave you do just that?
[05:36] <draik> yup, but not detailed
[05:36] <draik> only the package name
[05:36] <abattoir> draik: doh, run the second command
[05:36] <abattoir> draik: read up properly
[05:36] <draik> *displays only the package name
[05:37] <abattoir> draik: if you needed only package names, i could have given you the command then and there :P
[05:37] <draik> I wanted with detail
[05:38] <draik> I hope cat pkglist | while read line; do apt-cache show "${line}"; done > showlist      will do it just like I had before
[05:38] <Ash-Fox> emil_p8, I use too many different platforms... I get confused very easilly with keybindings.. so :P
[05:38] <Jucato> !repos > Jucato
[05:40] <emil_p8> Ash-Fox: well ctrl+esc works in win also. try changing your scheme to win with win modifier. anyway, before the win key appeared (~1995, methinks) ctrl+esc was the default.
[05:40] <Hawkwind> !repos > Hawkwind
[05:41] <Ash-Fox> What the heck is a meta key?
[05:41] <h3sp4wn> draik: dpkg-query -W --showformat='${Installed-Size;-10} ${status;-25} ${Package}\n' | sort -n (That is what I use to get the package list)
[05:41] <Jucato> Ash-Fox: meta key = modifier key, a key that you press to modify the value of a key. like Shift, Ctrl, Alt
[05:42] <draik> abattoir, PERFECT!!!
[05:42] <abattoir> draik: :)
[05:42] <abattoir> draik: what happened the first time?
[05:43] <draik> first time?
[05:43] <abattoir> draik: yeah, when you said only the list was shown, not the full info
[05:43] <draik> right
[05:43] <abattoir> draik: you didnt run the second command?
[05:43] <draik> it was only a list of the packages
[05:44] <draik> didn't see the 2nd command, sorry
[05:44] <abattoir> draik: ah, ok :)
[05:44] <draik> abattoir, you're the best
[05:44] <draik> Thanks
[05:44] <abattoir> draik: you could put both into a file and call it list.sh or something
[05:44] <draik> yup
[05:44] <abattoir> draik: haha, glad to be of help :)
[05:44] <draik> I added  > filename   so that I can see what I had before that I don't have now
[06:00] <livre> how do I install xmms?
[06:00] <Hawkwind> livre: sudo apt-get install xmms
[06:00] <Hawkwind> !info xmms
[06:00] <ubotu> xmms: Versatile X audio player. In component main, is optional. Version 1.2.10+cvs20050809-4ubuntu5 (dapper), package size 1029 kB, installed size 7256 kB
[06:00] <Hawkwind> livre: Make sure you have all your repos enabled correctly
[06:01] <dhq> how do i setup midi in mu sound device
[06:01] <livre> but do I have to download it first
[06:02] <livre> Hawkwind: or apt-get downloads it for me?
[06:02] <Hawkwind> livre: apt-get downloads it and installs it for you
[06:02] <livre> Hawkwind: it says it can find package
[06:03] <Hawkwind> livre: Have you added all your repos first and done a sudo apt-get update ?
[06:03] <livre> Hawkwind: oh.. I don think so...
[06:03] <Hawkwind> !repos
[06:03] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[06:03] <Hawkwind> livre: Read that URL there, it will help you with setting up your repos correctly
[06:04] <livre> thankyou!!!!
[06:04] <Hawkwind> No problem
[06:05] <arunkale> lupine_85: you around?
[06:06] <arunkale> i downloaded and installed the baghira theme, how do i activate it?
[06:07] <lupine_85> no idea :)
[06:07] <lupine_85> (just got back from the shop)
[06:07] <abattoir> arunkale: which 'part' of the theme?
[06:07] <abattoir> arunkale: there is a windeco, a widget style, a kicker applet etc.
[06:08] <arunkale> abattoir: i downloaded it using adept
[06:08] <abattoir> arunkale: yes, i know
[06:08] <arunkale> so i guess all of it?
[06:09] <Pensacola> when will the new konversation be available for kubuntu?
[06:09] <abattoir> arunkale: go to kcontrol/system settings
[06:09] <arunkale> yeah
[06:09] <abattoir> arunkale: and look for 'Style' and 'Window Decoration'
[06:09] <arunkale> okay
[06:09] <abattoir> arunkale: for the kicker applet rt. click on the kicker->Add applet->Baghira Start menu(i think its called)
[06:10] <jatos> hi
[06:10] <arunkale> okay..
[06:10] <arunkale> thanks
[06:10] <BluesKaj> what's the command for upgrading the kde vers ?
[06:11] <jatos> apt-get upgrade kdebase
[06:11] <jatos> should do it BluesKaj
[06:11] <h3sp4wn> BluesKaj: do you have kde-latest in sources.list ?
[06:13] <Pensacola> how to add it? (I'm following this one too :))
[06:13] <BluesKaj> yes
[06:14] <arunkale> ah doe
[06:14] <arunkale> done
[06:14] <BluesKaj> oops, thot i had  broken pkg in user groups, but now it's ok
[06:14] <arunkale> yay thanks
[06:14] <arunkale> are there better themes than this?
[06:14] <linnuxxy> how can i install kdevelop on 6.06?
[06:14] <h3sp4wn> !info kdevelop3
[06:14] <ubotu> kdevelop3: An IDE for Unix/X11 - development version. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.3.2-0ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 1218 kB, installed size 3896 kB
[06:15] <abattoir> arunkale: you wanted a 'mac osx' theme... it doesnt get better than baghira
[06:16] <arunkale> abattoir: yeah, i dont mind browsing through others as well :)
[06:16] <Ash-Fox> arunkale, could try kde-styles.net or was it .com
[06:16] <abattoir> arunkale: then kde-look.org is the place
[06:18] <BluesKaj> what about this ? .. "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"..  ? for upgrading the kde version ...mine is 3.5.4 ...guess that's the latest one , correct ?
[06:19] <Dr_Willis> that should upgrade to the latest one in the repos
[06:19] <Dr_Willis> theres the kubuntu-testing  repos i think that may have a newer version
[06:19] <AWOSDev> I need help with, uh, anything torrent-related
[06:20] <Dr_Willis> AWOSDev, gee.. how specific. :P
[06:20] <AWOSDev> Azureus is buggy, KTorrent won't run, and I can't find any other programs.
[06:20] <Dr_Willis> why wont ktorrent run?
[06:20] <AWOSDev> terminate called after throwing an instance of 'bt::Error'
[06:20] <AWOSDev> KCrash: Application 'ktorrent' crashing...
[06:21] <AWOSDev> That's all I get on stderr
[06:21] <Dr_Willis> thats interesting
[06:21] <AWOSDev> that's just typing "ktorrent
[06:21] <AWOSDev> " on the command line.
[06:21] <BluesKaj> ktorrent won't run ?...have you tried setting it up in settings /config ktorrent with your browser and destination file for downloads ?
[06:21] <Dr_Willis> You done anything odd with your system? used  automatix? easy ubuntu?
[06:21] <lupine_85> Dr_Willis: are you an engineer...? ;)
[06:21] <michaelvs> awosdev, as far as azureus goes, why not just run it from a directory in your home dir, instead of using the package?  That way you can use the CVS update plugin too.
[06:21] <Dr_Willis> lupine_85,  i have an engineering Degree. :P
[06:21] <lupine_85> thought so
[06:22] <lupine_85> BOFH++ ;)
[06:22] <Dr_Willis> and a Degree in Loveology!
[06:22] <AWOSDev> BluesKaj, Yes and my browser will attempt to open it.
[06:22] <Dr_Willis> lupine_85,  the computer  guys come to me for tech support. :P
[06:22] <AWOSDev> Dr_Willis, no I don't use automatix (and don't even know what that is) and I'm just using regular old Kubuntu 6.06.1.
[06:23] <BluesKaj> Ktorreent balks at some teoorent sites and don't know why , but if you use the sites provided by the search tab
[06:23] <BluesKaj> they should be fine
[06:23] <lupine_85> AWOSDev: could you compile ktorrent from source with debugging symbols enabled?
[06:23] <AWOSDev> Okay I can't even get it to run, so I don't think that's the problem...
[06:24] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. Nifty.. SaxenOS live cd.. can  work as a server. so Other pcs on the network can NET-boot.
[06:24] <lupine_85> involved, I know, but that sounds like a serious issue
[06:24] <AWOSDev> lupine_85, uh...will it take 2 hours like WINE?
[06:24] <lupine_85> I think the devs would be interested
[06:24] <lupine_85> erm, no :)
[06:24] <dhq> is there any sound deamon for skype
[06:24] <lupine_85> more like 5 minutesd
[06:24] <Dr_Willis> AWOSDev,  could cheat and use wine, and utorrent.exe
[06:24] <AWOSDev> Alright I'll go get the sources...
[06:24] <AWOSDev> ...but where are they?
[06:25] <dhq> !podcast
[06:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about podcast - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:25] <AWOSDev> I tried to "sudo apt-get remove ktorrent"
[06:25] <Dr_Willis> hmm. im using ktorrent 1.2 and kde 3.5.2
[06:25] <AWOSDev> The following packages will be REMOVED: ktorrent kubuntu-desktop
[06:25] <AWOSDev> !?
[06:25] <Dr_Willis> Yes.. thats normal
[06:25] <AWOSDev> Is that okay to remove?
[06:25] <lupine_85> kubuntu-desktop is a metapackage
[06:26] <AWOSDev> oh
[06:26] <lupine_85> just reinstall it before you upgrade to edgy
[06:26] <dhq> lupine_85: is edgy safe
[06:26] <lupine_85> not really
[06:26] <lupine_85> unless you're comfortable with dpkg -r
[06:26] <AWOSDev> Edgy?  Not until it's out of beta, thank you very much.
[06:27] <dhq> lupine_85: yes i am ..... when is edgy gonna release
[06:27] <lupine_85> officially at the end of october
[06:27] <lupine_85> it's good fun for playing with
[06:27] <AWOSDev> Is there like a ~/.ktorrent or something?
[06:27] <AWOSDev> It opened once before
[06:28] <hara> hey ppl
[06:28] <AWOSDev> but then it crashed when I clicked alot of buttons at once
[06:28] <AWOSDev> and hasn't stopped SIGABRTing since.
[06:28] <AWOSDev> So I'm thinking it's a config file or something.
[06:28] <hara> i'm trying to build kaffeine from svn sources but ./configure ends with this message:
[06:28] <hara> "
[06:28] <hara> checking for KDE... configure: error:
[06:28] <hara> in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail.
[06:28] <hara> So, check this please and use another prefix!
[06:28] <AWOSDev> apt-get remove and then apt-get install did nothing
[06:28] <lupine_85> no .ktorrent as far as I can see
[06:29] <lupine_85> AWOSDev: you might be better with apt-get remove --purge
[06:29] <hara> what headers and how to install them?
[06:29] <AWOSDev> hara, try
[06:29] <lupine_85> that will remove any config files
[06:29] <AWOSDev> !kde-dev
[06:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kde-dev - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:29] <AWOSDev> !kde-devel
[06:29] <ubotu> kde-devel: the K Desktop Environment development files and modules. In component universe, is extra. Version 5:45ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 7 kB, installed size 40 kB
[06:30] <BluesKaj> can't ktorrent be removed and reinstalled in adept or synaptic ?
[06:30] <hara> AWOSDev:  it ends up with a lot of unmet dependancies
[06:30] <lupine_85> BluesKaj: course it can, but cli is faster
[06:30] <AWOSDev> hara, just, uh, go get them?
[06:31] <lupine_85> why wait 15 seconds to just get the UI started?
[06:31] <AWOSDev> BluesKaj, yeah but I like Konsole better
[06:31] <AWOSDev> and lupine_85 makes a good point about waiting ~25-40 seconds for it to scan all the packages
[06:31] <lupine_85> so if --purge doesn't help, I really think you should mention it to the devs
[06:31] <BluesKaj> yeah but why remove the whole desktop just for one program ? :)
[06:31] <lupine_85> it doesn't :)
[06:31] <lupine_85> it removes one program, and one metapackafge
[06:31] <AWOSDev> No, --purge didn't help
[06:32] <lupine_85> the metapackage would be removed anyway, even in synaptic
[06:32] <hara> AWOSDev: libartsc0-dev: Depends: libartsc0 (= 1.5.2-0ubuntu1) but 1.5.3-0ubuntu0.1 is to be installed and apt-get refuses to install the newer package
[06:32] <BluesKaj> wtf is a metapkg anyway ?
[06:32] <lupine_85> ok, I'd recommend you report it to the devs and try to compile your own from scratch
[06:32] <lupine_85> a package that contains no files, but only depends on other files
[06:32] <AWOSDev> Okay what I'm assuming I need to
[06:32] <lupine_85> erm, on other packages
[06:32] <AWOSDev> is
[06:32] <AWOSDev> sudo apt-get remove --purge ktorrent
[06:32] <AWOSDev> then go get the sources and compile them
[06:32] <AWOSDev> right?
[06:33] <lupine_85> yep
[06:33] <lupine_85> and if it doesn't work from that, I've no idea
[06:33] <lupine_85> is your PC non-standard in any way?
[06:33] <AWOSDev> It's a Compaq Presario 5700N.
[06:33] <AWOSDev> does that answer your question?  :P
[06:33] <lupine_85> Compaq-- ;)
[06:33] <gf> hi guys
[06:33] <AWOSDev> It's not *that* non-standard, it only lacks an AGP port.
[06:33] <gf> kde 3.5.4 available for breezy somewhere?
[06:33] <AWOSDev> and for 1999, that's not too bad
[06:34] <BluesKaj> ok, i removed some stuff from my home dir folder and now when i x - out of ktorrent , it doesn't park in the panel any more . It actually quits ..what libs do i need to reinstall ?
[06:34] <AWOSDev> Hmm...
[06:35] <AWOSDev> "Official packages are not yet available for this maintenance release of Ktorrent for Kubuntu.  Download the updated packages <here>."
[06:35] <BluesKaj> Konversation still parks
[06:35] <linnuxxy> how to run as another user in ubuntu bash shell...as su seems not working to me?
[06:36] <AWOSDev> linnuxxy -- try "su name -s"
[06:36] <AWOSDev> ***rather sudo name -s
[06:37] <AWOSDev> It doesn't crash anymore!
[06:37] <AWOSDev> I fixed Ktorrent!
[06:37] <lupine_85> woo :)
[06:37] <lupine_85> how?
[06:38] <lupine_85> ah, with the "udated packages"?
[06:38] <linnuxxy> AWOSDes : not working!!!!
[06:38] <AWOSDev> I downloaded 2.0.2-1-kubuntu from their Website
[06:38] <AWOSDev> vs the 1.2-0-kubuntu on apt
[06:38] <lupine_85> hehe
[06:39] <AWOSDev> Yay!  It'll take 14 hours at this rate (this is what I get with the Premier Cable Internet package?!) but it works.
[06:40] <AWOSDev> Ah, now 12 hours :P
[06:40] <AWOSDev> Yeah well I have ~5000Kbps
[06:41] <AWOSDev> but it's only got 19.4KB/s
[06:41] <AWOSDev> well not bad for Portugal
[06:41] <linnuxxy> ahmad@linnuxxy:~$ sudo ingres -s
[06:41] <linnuxxy> sudo: ingres: command not found
[06:41] <AWOSDev> Oooh now it's at 33KB/s and it'll be done in 9 hours!  :P
[06:41] <miyako> oh yeah, well I'm getting something like 300 baud right now :-P
[06:42] <lupine_85> portugal++
[06:42] <AWOSDev> linnuxxy, did you try sudo --help?
[06:42] <dhq> my kaffine mplayer crashes when i run mp4
[06:42] <AWOSDev> RTM!
[06:42] <AWOSDev> sudo -u ingres -s
[06:43] <miyako> am I the only one who finds sudo to be a pain and just does sudo su - when they need to be root?
[06:43] <Dace> miyako: sudo -i
[06:43] <AWOSDev> I use sudo -s every now and again
[06:43] <AWOSDev> but Yes.
[06:43] <AWOSDev> On SuSE I ran as root.
[06:44] <AWOSDev> on IRC and everything
[06:44] <AWOSDev> brilliant, I know :X
[06:44] <miyako> well, I only run as root when I need to
[06:44] <miyako> but the thing that gets me is that, for most traditional purposes, one needs to run more than a single command as root
[06:44] <lupine_85> sudo passwd ++
[06:45] <miyako> and sudo makes that more painful than it needs to be in those cases by adding a whole extra 5 letters, if you can the space, that you need to type
[06:45] <h4ch3r> hello
[06:45] <AWOSDev> Yeah it's really annoying to have to be root to umount
[06:46] <AWOSDev> I wish I could, you know, tell it 'well, let everybody umount, and mount, and apt'
[06:46] <dhq> lupine_85: my kaffine mplayer crashes when i run mp4
[06:46] <AWOSDev> That would make life so much easier, but in general, from a security standpoint, that's a Bad Idea(tm)
[06:47] <lupine_85> dhq: no idea, sorry
[06:47] <h4ch3r> 
[06:47] <h4ch3r> ;)
[06:48] <linnuxxy> AWOSDev: it is 'sudo -u ingres -s'
[06:48] <AWOSDev> Yes, that's what I said?!
[06:48] <miyako> I have a problem, I really want one of th new iMacs, so I can dual boot OS X and Linux.  I am completely unable to justify actually getting one for any sort of reason, but I still want one
[06:48] <AWOSDev> miyako, I feel your pain
[06:48] <miyako> even though I know I could get an equivilent machine built myself for much cheaper, I am under the spell of Apple
[06:49] <AWOSDev> I want every kind of computer ever made.
[06:49] <h4ch3r> hello guys
[06:49] <h4ch3r> why does'nt kubuntu comes with koffice instead openoffice?
[06:49] <AWOSDev> I'm only missing a 286, 386, and PowerPC.  (well MIPS, RISC, and Alpha, but those are for later :P )
[06:49] <AWOSDev> h4ch3r, good question and nobody knows the answer.
[06:49] <miyako> I wish I knew how easy (or difficult) it is to dual boot linux and OS X
[06:50] <AWOSDev> miyako, have you tried looking at the
[06:50] <AWOSDev> !wiki
[06:50] <ubotu> wiki is http://wiki.ubuntu.com - Loads of user-contributed documentation
[06:50] <miyako> AWOSDev I googled around,b ut never checked the wiki directly
[06:50] <abattoir> miyako: it takes some effort and learning... but its not very difficult
[06:50] <AWOSDev> Ooh 91K/s and only four hours!
[06:50] <AWOSDev> :)
[06:50] <lupine_85> hehe
[06:51] <h4ch3r> AWOSDev, big help 
[06:51] <h4ch3r> 
[06:51] <miyako> I imagine the most difficult aspect would be getting the partitioning and boot loading configured properly
[06:51] <miyako> although I read mutterings on various blogs of Bootcamp support Linux, but I was never able to find any solid information on that
[06:52] <abattoir> ThomasZ: i think you'd have to make it manually
[06:52] <rouzic> When is out the Knot3?
[06:52] <abattoir> ThomasZ: open Konsole
[06:52] <abattoir> ThomasZ: and use mkreiserfs
[06:52] <ThomasZ> ah, ok
[06:53] <Pensacola> how to get konversation 1.0 in kubuntu?
[06:53] <AWOSDev> Well I'll go play Kgoldrunner until my download's done.  So long!
[06:53] <AWOSDev> Bye!
[06:53] <abattoir> ThomasZ: when it comes to the partitioning stage(in the installer)... make sure it doesnt format the reiserfs partition
[06:53] <AWOSDev> Pensacola, type "sudo apt-get install konversation" from the Konsole.
[06:53] <h4ch3r> acris, getOut
[06:53] <h4ch3r> bye
[06:53] <Pensacola> it installs 0.19 :s
[06:53] <h4ch3r> thanks
[06:54] <abattoir> ThomasZ: and also a note... dont use XFS for your root partition...
[06:54] <ThomasZ> thanks!
[06:54] <miyako> I need to find a good command line program for using IM
[06:54] <hydrogen> Is it possible to install kubuntu from within another linux distro? I have a free partition, but no cd's here, is there something like debootstrap, but for kubuntu?
[06:55] <abattoir> hydrogen: yes, i think it should be possible... w/ a debootstrap
[06:55] <abattoir> and yes.. there is one for kubuntu
[06:55] <hydrogen> abattoir: how do I kubuntuuize it?
[06:55] <hydrogen> abattoir: I know I can run debootstrap to get a debain
[06:55] <abattoir> !info debootstrap
[06:55] <ubotu> debootstrap: Bootstrap a basic Debian system. In component main, is extra. Version 0.3.3.0ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 47 kB, installed size 240 kB
[06:55] <abattoir> hydrogen: i think that gets you a basic ubuntu install
[06:55] <hydrogen> abattoir: that builds a debian install
[06:55] <abattoir> hydrogen: you'd have to install kubuntu-desktop
[06:56] <hydrogen> abattoir: so just update my sources and install it?
[06:57] <abattoir> hydrogen: http://ftp.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/installer-i386/current/doc/manual/en/apcs03.html
[06:57] <miyako> I'm thinking about trying edgy just so I can play with KDE4
[06:57] <abattoir> it is not for dapper
[06:57] <abattoir> hydrogen: but it'd guide you in the right direction
[06:58] <Pensacola> sudo apt-get install konversation installs version 0.19 and not 1.0
[06:58] <maexd> hello togehter i try to install java with adept manager and now the terminal inside adept i cant click with the mouse or use the keyboard what do i have to do?
[06:58] <abattoir> hydrogen: and of course, at the last step, it'd be 'kubuntu-desktop'
[06:59] <abattoir> maexd: please close adept... and run 'sudo apt-get -f install' in a terminal(konsole)
[07:00] <miyako> well, time for lunch
[07:00] <maexd> ok i will do thx abattoir
[07:01] <abattoir> maexd: when you do that, the same thing should come up inside the konsole... just follow the steps, and it should work :)
[07:04] <Pensacola> sudo apt-get install konversation installs version 0.19 and not 1.0 how can I get 1.0?
[07:06] <abattoir> Pensacola: http://konversation.kde.org/wiki/Kubuntu
[07:07] <abattoir> not sure why 1.0 isnt in yet...
[07:07] <Pensacola> ah ok
[07:07] <Pensacola> than don't mind my question :)
[07:07] <Pensacola> if it's not in the repository there's nothing to update :)
[07:17] <Hawkwind> Pensacola: I have a source for 1.0 if you want it
[07:17] <Pensacola> the source is available from the website but I'm having some problems compiling it
[07:17] <Pensacola> I'll wait for the repository update :)
[07:17] <Vegeta^> How do I solve the problem with that when I close my laptop lid and open it again, the screen stays black?
[07:17] <Hawkwind> Pensacola: I have a deb source
[07:17] <Hawkwind> Pensacola: By one of the regulars here who builds for Kubuntu
[07:18] <Pensacola> ow that would be nice
[07:18] <Hawkwind> Pensacola: deb http://imbrandon.com/packages dapper konversation-nightly
[07:18] <sebastian> Hi ! i have a question, does Amarok 1.4.2 & 1.4.3 work fine for you ?
[07:18] <Hawkwind> Pensacola: There ya go.  It's got 1.0 currently
[07:18] <Pensacola> ok thank you very much
[07:18] <sebastian> since there was an update, it crashes everytimne i want to have it fullscreen
[07:18] <lupine_85> sebastian: works ine
[07:18] <Pensacola> I love all the help I get for running kubuntu
[07:18] <Hawkwind> Pensacola: No problem
[07:18] <sebastian> mhm
[07:18] <lupine_85> oh, fullscreen....
[07:18] <lupine_85> 1 second
[07:19] <lupine_85> erm, how do you make amarok full-screen anyway?
[07:20] <sebastian> last consoel message is: amarok: [WARNING!]  Browser is too large, mxcl says castrate the developer: PlaylistBrowser, 253
[07:20] <sebastian> i mean maximize, sorry
[07:20] <lupine_85> hehe, now that's an error message
[07:20] <sebastian> console gives me the above *g*
[07:20] <lupine_85> ok, works well here
[07:20] <lupine_85> what resolution are you running at?
[07:21] <lupine_85> (mine is 1280x1024)
[07:22] <roconnor> Hmm, I'm getting a lot of clicks on when playing mp3s with amaroK
[07:22] <roconnor> It sounds like someone isn't filling their buffer big enough.
[07:23] <roconnor> or maybe some process needs a higher priority?
[07:23] <sebastian> Yes it is 1280x1024 , too
[07:24] <lupine_85> hmm
[07:24] <lupine_85> since it's giving a warning, i'd report a bug
[07:24] <arunkale> can someone tell me why kopete stops transferring files after 2% ?
[07:25] <sebastian> did you install from here, too:
[07:25] <sebastian> #Amarok
[07:25] <sebastian> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-latest/ dapper main
[07:25] <arunkale> i can send files, but i can't receive
[07:25] <lupine_85> does it help if you change the left pane at all?
[07:25] <lupine_85> (e.g. to collection or playlists or whatever)
[07:25] <sebastian> i cant see my "amarok", it crashes because i have maximized it anyway
[07:26] <sebastian> do you know how to delete the user files ? (.amarok somewhere?)
[07:26] <sebastian> maybe my playlist is too large :P
[07:27] <MarcC> anybody know how to edit the OSD that pops up when I use my keyboard's volume control?
[07:28] <arunkale> anyone?
[07:30] <sebastian> mhm it works fine with gaim, give it a try
[07:30] <abattoir> arunkale: works fine w/ msn and jabber too, for me
[07:30] <sebastian> i know that i did never get it working with kopete
[07:30] <arunkale> okay, i'm using gaim
[07:31] <arunkale> also, please tell me some good themes for amarok.. please
[07:31] <arunkale> i love the player, it sounds better than itunes, and all the features are mindblowing.. but i'd really like a good theme
[07:33] <abattoir> arunkale: again, kde-look.org is the place
[07:33] <abattoir> there are so many themes there
[07:33] <arunkale> okay, thanks :)
[07:34] <arunkale> firefox on kubuntu is superfast!
[07:49] <arunkale> in kde-look.org, window decorations, i should look under 'native kde 3.2+' right?
[07:50] <abattoir> arunkale: yes
[07:51] <menace> Is anyone here familiar with g++-4.0?
[07:52] <arunkale> abattoir: how do i install those?
[07:52] <abattoir> arunkale: pls. give me a link...
[07:52] <arunkale> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=32946
[07:52] <abattoir> arunkale: most of the time you'd nee to extract the archive and run './configure' , 'make' and the 'sudo make install'
[07:53] <abattoir> arunkale: if its a popular theme, it might be in the repos
[07:53] <arunkale> is there a way i can search just for themes in adept?
[07:53] <Hawkwind> apt-cache search <package>from the CLI
[07:54] <Hawkwind> So apt-cache search theme or something similar
[07:54] <Ash-Fox> !fonts
[07:54] <ubotu> Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto
[07:54] <ubotu> No fonts in flash? Install msttcorefonts, gsfonts, and gsfonts-x11 , No fonts in mplayer? see !mplayer
[07:54] <abattoir> arunkale: well, you can use the debtags... if you can figure them out, that is :P
[07:54] <Ash-Fox> Blah, I don't lack fonts, I just lack a good font renderer
[07:54] <menace> Can someone here help me with g++ installation?...selected it to install in adept and applyed the changes...but its nowhere to be found
[07:54] <linnuxxy> how to install gmake on dapper?
[07:55] <Hawkwind> !info gmake
[07:55] <ubotu> Package gmake does not exist in any distro I know
[07:55] <Ash-Fox> I bet I have to recompile xorg and the font server to get decent font styles (because oh no! Apple owns a ptaent on pretty font rendering!)
[07:55] <zorgluuu> menace: do 'type g++'
[07:55] <zorgluuu> menace: and do "type gcc"
[07:55] <arunkale> heh
[07:55] <menace> in terminal?
[07:55] <arunkale> i prefer gui
[07:55] <arunkale> adept is my friend
[07:55] <linnuxxy> i need gmake to compile ingres
[07:56] <Azzco> umm I have a question.. I want to add a new user that can extract files form usb devices... what permission would I give such a user from the  system setting user&groups?
[07:56] <arunkale> abattoir: can you recommend a good p2p client?
[07:56] <zorgluuu> menace: yep
[07:56] <abattoir> arunkale: there is bittorent...
[07:56] <abattoir> its not exactly a p2p client
[07:56] <abattoir> but
[07:56] <Ash-Fox> Ayabara, you can even install a later version of kopete, for kubuntu :P
[07:56] <linnuxxy> gmake is used to compile Xerces-C++ too
[07:56] <Ash-Fox> !kopete
[07:56] <abattoir> there is apollon
[07:56] <menace> type g++
[07:56] <menace> bash: type: g++: not found
[07:56] <ubotu> kopete: instant messenger for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu6.2 (dapper), package size 5068 kB, installed size 16980 kB
[07:56] <abattoir> !info apollon
[07:56] <ubotu> apollon: KDE-based interface to the giFT file-sharing system. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.1-2.2ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 445 kB, installed size 1684 kB
[07:56] <menace> thats my error.....
[07:57] <zorgluuu> !info g++
[07:57] <Ash-Fox> Oh blah, the url isn't there, let me find it
[07:57] <ubotu> Package g does not exist in any distro I know
[07:57] <zorgluuu> !info gcc
[07:57] <ubotu> gcc: The GNU C compiler. In component main, is optional. Version 4:4.0.3-1 (dapper), package size 4 kB, installed size 64 kB
[07:57] <darren> Abattoir: There is KTorrent pre installed
[07:57] <abattoir> arunkale: apollon supports FastTrack(Kazaa), Gnutella(limewire) etc.
[07:57] <linnuxxy> i think gmake is in RH things
[07:57] <menace> bash: type: gcc: not found
[07:57] <Ash-Fox> Ayabara, http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kopete/ :)
[07:57] <arunkale> !apollon
[07:57] <ubotu> apollon: KDE-based interface to the giFT file-sharing system. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.1-2.2ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 445 kB, installed size 1684 kB
[07:57] <abattoir> darren: by bittorrent, i meant the technology, rather than the app :P
[07:57] <zorgluuu> menace: well they doesnt seems to be installed :)
[07:57] <zorgluuu> !build
[07:57] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[07:58] <zorgluuu> menace: read this
[07:58] <zorgluuu> !essential
[07:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about essential - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:58] <arunkale> i can search and download files using apollon?
[07:58] <abattoir> !b-e
[07:58] <abattoir> arunkale: sure
[07:58] <Ayabara> Ash-Fox: what version is this? other version numbers than the one in the repo?
[07:58] <trappist> sudo apt-get install build-essential
[07:58] <arunkale> cool :)
[07:58] <abattoir> arunkale: there is also limewire/frostwire if you prefer those
[07:58] <arunkale> i can't believe how fast kubuntu is
[07:59] <darren> neither could i
[07:59] <menace> zorgluuu...i keep getting this error
[07:59] <menace> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[07:59] <menace> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[07:59] <zorgluuu> hehe it is cool, since window stopped coding on its os, linux appears much faster :)
[07:59] <abattoir> !adept crash fix
[07:59] <ubotu> If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this command in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock'
[07:59] <abattoir> zorgluuu: ^^^^
[08:00] <zorgluuu> menace: close adept
[08:00] <menace> ok
[08:00] <abattoir> zorgluuu: sorry
[08:01] <arunkale> will be right back
[08:01] <menace> but cant find it...
[08:01] <Ash-Fox> Ayabara, I believe it's the latest kopete stable
[08:01] <pierreth> Hello, I bought a new dvd reader but I am unable to mount it, what should I do?
[08:01] <menace> just got this error...
[08:01] <menace> g++: no input files
[08:01] <pierreth> I can see the disk on my deskop
[08:02] <Ash-Fox> Ayabara, I use it because it gives me a few more privacy options and works better :)
[08:02] <Azzco> pierreth have you tried from konsole?
[08:02] <pierreth> but i cannot mount it
[08:02] <pierreth> Azzco: no, what command should I use?
[08:02] <fowlduck> what is the address in konqueror to access the startup applications, I tried startup:///
[08:02] <Hawkwind> pierreth: Do you have DVD/CD in the drive, and if so, what kind is it...audio, data or what ?
[08:03] <Ayabara> Ash-Fox: ok. it says kopete3.5.3+kopete0.12.0. I have
[08:03] <Ayabara> 0.12.1
[08:03] <Ash-Fox> pierreth, ~/.kde/Autostart
[08:03] <pierreth> i have dvd rom
[08:03] <Azzco> Uhhmm I still need to ask something...
[08:03] <pierreth> an iso dvd
[08:03] <Ash-Fox> pierreth, I have laptop
[08:04] <octan> hi all..
[08:04] <Ash-Fox> an old laptop.
[08:04] <octan> why isnt my X starting up after idid a apt-get upgrade
[08:04] <Ash-Fox> Ayabara, eh? okay.
[08:04] <octan> i have a nvidia card
[08:04] <pierreth> i am able to mount the drive from the console
[08:05] <Ash-Fox> octan, we don't know.
[08:05] <octan> Ash-Fox: you dont know.. doesnt mean everybody else dosent
[08:05] <Ash-Fox> octan, might want to provide us with a bit more information than that.
[08:05] <Ayabara> Ash-Fox: what I meant is that the version number of the one I got from the repo is higher than the version number from the link you sent me
[08:05] <fowlduck> an unwanted power manager loads on startup for me after login, how do I disable it? (guidance-power-manager)
[08:06] <Ash-Fox> Ayabara, odd, was pretty sure the repo had older.
[08:06] <octan> Ash-Fox:i installed the newest xorgserver ++ alot of ohter office pkgs
[08:06] <pierreth> when i try to unmount, i have this error: umount: not in fstab and you are not root
[08:06] <octan> but kdm isnt starting up.. the screen is only black
[08:07] <dhq> !mysql
[08:07] <ubotu> lamp is a shortcut for Linux-Apache-Mysql-{PHP,Perl,Python}. To setup a LAMP server on Ubuntu, install the packages libapache2-mod-php5, php5-mysql, and mysql-server-5.0. You can also choose 'install a LAMP server' from the server install cd boot menu. See also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP
[08:07] <Ash-Fox> there was one foobared xorgserver update, but the latest isn't foobared...
[08:07] <dhq> is there any cchannel for help in mysql
[08:07] <fowlduck> anyone?
[08:07] <Ash-Fox> dhq, #mysql
[08:07] <Azzco> okay seriusly  I need to make a user that can mount media devices as CDs and cameras... but I don't know what permission I should give such a user.
[08:07] <octan> and alt ctrl f1 or 2 dosent give me a tty
[08:07] <dhq> Ash-Fox: thanx
[08:08] <octan> im on my server with irssi now ;(
[08:08] <gekko`> somehow i don't have any tray-icons anymore. does someone know how to get them back?
[08:08] <Ash-Fox> octan, ctrl + alt + backspace?
[08:08] <Hawkwind> dhq: For future reference, you can search channels easily, example: /msg chanserv list *mysql*  would give you all channels with the word 'mysql' in them
[08:08] <octan> nop
[08:09] <Ash-Fox> octan, you could do add the 'init=/bin/sash' param when booting up, so you could check the logs to see what's going on
[08:09] <Ash-Fox> (I think you had to hit escape when grub is starting, and then e to temporarily edit the boot option)
[08:10] <octan> ok i'll try that
[08:11] <pierreth> ok I edited my fstab, i will reboot to test
[08:11] <octan> ok ithink i see the issue..
[08:11] <octan> it dosent load evdev
[08:11] <octan> wher do i put modules that needs to be loaded?
[08:12] <octan> it looks like it dosent load evdev
[08:12] <Ash-Fox> Ayabara, are you running edgy?
[08:12] <Ayabara> Ash-Fox: dapper
[08:13] <octan> pls
[08:13] <Ash-Fox> hm.. odd
[08:13] <Ash-Fox> Ayabara, do you have backports in your sources?
[08:13] <octan> module.. wher do i add it? i dosent need any parameters
[08:14] <Ayabara> Ash-Fox: I added a little something to get kde 3.5.4. maybe it came from there
[08:14] <Ash-Fox> Ayabara, probably that :)
[08:15] <Ayabara> isn't /notice a standard irc command? can't make it work with kopete, and it is not in the list of commands
[08:15] <Ash-Fox> Yes, it's a standard IRC command
[08:16] <angasule> !vmware
[08:16] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository. Instructions to install VMWare Server can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingVMWare
[08:16] <octan> echo "eVdeV" << /etc/moduLes?
[08:16] <octan> erm
[08:18] <angasule> I tried to install vmware-player using adept (forgot about the license issue) and had to kill it, now adept complains that another program is using the packaging system, can anyone tell me how to fix it?
[08:21] <pierreth> hello, everything is fine now!
[08:22] <pierreth> thank you
[08:26] <octan_> ther is a bug with the new xserver-xorg-core 1:1.0.2-ubuntu10.4
[08:26] <octan_> it dosent do endev
[08:26] <octan_> *EVDEV
[08:27] <oli> hi
[08:27] <octan_> hi
[08:27] <oli> does anybody know what driver should i use for Canon BJC 3000?
[08:27] <octan_> this bug suxz. my mouse works best with evdev
[08:27] <octan_> google
[08:28] <octan_> sane?
[08:28] <kiizeli> hey, whats this meaning?
[08:28] <kiizeli> KCrash: Application 'kate' crashing...
[08:28] <kiizeli> Warning: connect() failed: : No such file or directory
[08:28] <kiizeli> KCrash cannot reach kdeinit, launching directly.
[08:28] <kiizeli> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[08:28] <kiizeli> Xlib: No protocol specified
[08:28] <kiizeli> and im trying to edit sources.list whit kate
[08:28] <octan_> oli, is it a printer?
[08:28] <octan_> scaner?
[08:29] <oli> its a printer
[08:29] <BluesKaj> oli , have done the systems settings/printers/setup ...there should be a list of drivers under the canon mark
[08:29] <oli> ok, thx, i wlii try now :)
[08:30] <BluesKaj> i used to use a BJC5100 and it was listed there
[08:30] <octan_> http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Canon-BJC-3000
[08:30] <oli> i have been here
[08:31] <octan_> oki
[08:31] <oli> ive downloaded gutenprint, but I cant compile it
[08:32] <octan_> did you install the driver?
[08:32] <duckdown> jddjhfd
[08:33] <oli> wait please...
[08:33] <oli> kde is loading driver list
[08:33] <bobobo> can u run  a virtual machine w/ kubuntu
[08:33] <oli> ok there is Canon BJC 3000 driver :) thanx for help
[08:34] <vge> bobobo: you mean something like vmware, sure
[08:35] <oli> test page was printed succesfully :) everything ok :)
[08:38] <llxcamxll> what version of flash should i have??
[08:39] <a> llxcamxll flash 7
[08:40] <Ash-Fox> llxcamxll, the version the site requires.
[08:41] <pierreth> i have no sound
[08:41] <Iinventedkubuntu> llxcamx11, flash 7
[08:41] <angasule> I tried to install vmware-player using adept (forgot about the license issue) and had to kill it, now adept complains that another program is using the packaging system, can anyone tell me how to fix it?
[08:41] <pierreth> i have an ibm 300PL
[08:41] <Iinventedkubuntu> angasule you might have another adept open.
[08:41] <Iinventedkubuntu> or simply log back in and out
[08:42] <Iinventedkubuntu> or if you have the add/remove program that will do the same thing
[08:42] <angasule> linnuxxy: no, there's a lock somewhere, I've rebooted
[08:42] <Iinventedkubuntu> o
[08:42] <lupine_85> Iinventedkubuntu: the lock file is mentioned in the error message
[08:42] <lupine_85>  /var/cache/dpkg/lock or... something
[08:43] <arunkale> umm.. can i use msn messenger and yahoo messenger using wine? and can i use the latest versions?
[08:44] <angasule> lupine_85: /var/lib/dpkg/lock , but that wasn't it, it still complains
[08:44] <miyako> arunkale why not use Gaim?
[08:45] <lupine_85> if that file is deleted, then it shouldn't complain about a lock
[08:45] <angasule> lupine_85: it's saying someone is using the packaging system
[08:45] <lupine_85> in that case, someone is
[08:45] <angasule> lupine_85: if I delete the lock file, then run adept, it complains, and the lock file is back in place
[08:45] <arunkale> miyako: i need to use the features of yahoo messenger like photo sharing, etc..
[08:46] <angasule> lupine_85: I believe the error is related to the vmware-player installation
[08:46] <arunkale> miyako: is it possible to install the latest version of yahoo messenger and use it using wine?
[08:46] <johnwiggity> !packages
[08:46] <ubotu> You can browse and search for Ubuntu packages using !Synaptic, !Adept, apt-cache, the "apt:/" URL in KDE, or online at http://packages.ubuntu.com  -  Ubuntu has about 18000 packages available, so please *search* for an official package before installing things in awkward ways!
[08:47] <miyako> arunkale: I've never bothered, but you might look at the official version of yahoo messenger for Linux, I know it exists- though I'm not sure how up to date it is
[08:47] <arunkale> miyako: the official version is like way old.. and doesn't support photo sharing and stuff
[08:47] <miyako> my gut tells me that an IM client is going to use some things that will give problems under Wine, but you never know until you try I suppose
[08:47] <johnwiggity> !mp3 > Iinventedkubuntu
[08:47] <angasule> cool, fixed it, I had to run dpkg --configure -a
[08:48] <meta_> hi all
[08:48] <johnwiggity> ah yes dpkg --configure -a, whoda thunk it
[08:48] <meta_> i have edgy, and x don't want start with this msg: "could not load font: `fixed`"
[08:48] <meta_> what i need to install?
[08:48] <johnwiggity> i thin there is a room for edgy
[08:49] <Hawkwind> meta_: #Ubuntu+1 is the place for Edgy questions really
[08:49] <abattoir> meta_: #ubuntu+1 is the place
[08:49] <abattoir> meta_: having said that... wait a sec
[08:49] <arunkale> miyako: can i use photoshop cs in wine? and will it be really slow?
[08:49] <miyako> Photoshop CS will not work under wine to the best of my knowledge
[08:50] <miyako> however, Photoshop 7 does work well under Crossover Office
[08:50] <miyako> and there is no substantial slowdown
[08:50] <abattoir> heh, i could've helped him....
[08:50] <Hawkwind> abattoir: Go get him in #Ubuntu+1 then :P
[08:50] <abattoir> Hawkwind: is he there?
[08:50] <abattoir> Hawkwind: i thought he quit
[08:51] <Hawkwind> abattoir: Ah probably not
[08:51] <abattoir> he's not there
[08:52] <meta_> hi all
[08:52] <meta_> i'm again
[08:52] <meta_> i'm crashed
[08:52] <meta_> so how can i start x if it said could not load `fixed` ?
[08:52] <meta_> font
[08:53] <johnwiggity> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:53] <Hawkwind> abattoir: He's back!
[08:53] <abattoir> !info xfonts-base edgy
[08:53] <ubotu> xfonts-base: standard fonts for X. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.0.0-3ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 5985 kB, installed size 8276 kB
[08:54] <abattoir> meta_: 'sudo apt-get install --reinstall xfonts-base' and 'sudo apt-get install xfs' might help you
[08:54] <abattoir> meta_: tell me if it works
[08:55] <meta_> okay i'm workingonit
[08:56] <johnwiggity> abattoir who helps u when u have question. or do you just never need help
[08:56] <abattoir> johnwiggity: the almighty Google :)
[08:56] <Hawkwind> johnwiggity: He never needs help :)
[08:57] <johnwiggity> lol iv e noticed
[08:57] <abattoir> johnwiggity: you almost never are the first person to run across something.... just master the art of googling, and there is almost nothing that cant be found ;)
[08:57] <Hawkwind> Google knows all!
[08:57] <lupine_85> not all
[08:58] <MetaMorfoziS> thankyou abattoir! i'm meta
[08:58] <mrj> people
[08:58] <MetaMorfoziS> it's working
[08:58] <mrj> i have an problem
[08:58] <lupine_85> it doesn't know my shoe size!
[08:58] <mrj> Toolbars and
[08:58] <abattoir> MetaMorfoziS: good :)
[08:58] <mrj> ksysguard: ERROR: DancingBars lost sample ([01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ] , 1)
[08:58] <Hawkwind> lupine_85: It does if you know what to search for :P
[08:58] <mrj> ksysguard does nto shows my temperature
[08:58] <mrj> i have updated some packages with adept
[08:58] <mrj> and then it stoped to show my acpi temperature
[08:59] <mrj> and it used to work nice before that
[08:59] <mrj> any ideas
[09:00] <abattoir> johnwiggity: btw, how did the AIO go? got it installed?
[09:00] <arunkale> how is qemu
[09:01] <abattoir> qemu is good :)
[09:01] <mrj> any help here ?
[09:01] <abattoir> mrj: CPU temp huh?
[09:01] <mrj> yeah
[09:02] <mrj> it showed before
[09:02] <mrj> but the adept wanted to upgrade some stuff
[09:02] <mrj> and ve i just clicked "OK"
[09:02] <mrj> and since then i can not see my temperature
[09:02] <arunkale> abattoir: do applications run alright in qemu, or a bit slow?
[09:02] <mrj> it shows "Error"
[09:02] <angasule> !qemu
[09:02] <ubotu> qemu is an emulator you can use to run another operating system - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo
[09:02] <mrj> and ksysguard says : ksysguard: ERROR: DancingBars lost sample ([01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ] , 1)
[09:03] <mrj> how can i fix that ?
[09:03] <arunkale> thanks
[09:03] <angasule> hmm, the qemu install script mentioned there isn't available, does anyone know of an alternative site or something?
[09:03] <arunkale> abattoir: do you reckon yahoo messenger will work on wine?
[09:04] <abattoir> mrj: try 'cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature' on the command line
[09:04] <abattoir> arunkale: its an emulator, so yes, it'll be slower... and how much slower depends on your setup...
[09:05] <lupine_85> vmware uses virtualisation, so is faster...
[09:05] <abattoir> arunkale: not sure... you could give it a try... or search the wine database
[09:05] <lupine_85> (apparently qemu + kqemu does the same thing)
[09:05] <mrj> abbatoit - taht works
[09:05] <mrj> i can even see the temp
[09:05] <arunkale> qemu loads an entire OS, right?
[09:05] <angasule> lupine_85: yes, it does, and that script allows installing kqemu, which is the reason I want it
[09:05] <mrj> but why the ksysguard does not
[09:05] <lupine_85> Windows XP in vmware-player on a Sempon 2500+ was really slick
[09:05] <arunkale> i mean i have to start xp in qemu, and then do stuff?
[09:05] <lupine_85> well, for windows anyway
[09:05] <lupine_85> arunkale: yes. it loads the whole OS for you
[09:06] <lupine_85> hence 'virtual machine'
[09:06] <abattoir> mrj: i dont know... your sensors work fine... dont use ksysguard so cant be of help there, sorry, maybe ask at #kde ?
[09:06] <arunkale> lupine_85: does wine do the sme thing? or does wine run just the application
[09:06] <lupine_85> wine just runs the app
[09:06] <arunkale> okay..
[09:06] <angasule> bummer, I'd really like qemu
[09:06] <abattoir> arunkale: why do you want yahoo messenger that badly?
[09:07] <abattoir> angasule: then install it :P
[09:07] <arunkale> abattoir: i really need to use the photo sharing function
[09:07] <angasule> abattoir: as I just said, the install script is unavailable
[09:09] <abattoir> angasule: http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/download.html ?
[09:09] <abattoir> dont know what script you refer to
[09:09] <Ayabara> does anyone know how I can give a password in kdebluetooth?
[09:09] <abattoir> Ayabara: you mean a pin ?
[09:10] <Ayabara> abattoir: I think I mean a pin :-)
[09:10] <Ayabara> abattoir: I _do_ mean a pin
[09:10] <abattoir> Ayabara: when a device requests to connect or you pc wants to connect, then automatically a dialog asking for your pin should come up
[09:10] <abattoir> Ayabara: the default is generally 1234
[09:10] <angasule> abattoir: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo
[09:10] <Ayabara> abattoir: I get a "rejected for security reasons" dialog
[09:11] <abattoir> Ayabara: then you might have to edit hcid.conf
[09:11] <abattoir> Ayabara: what is the exact error?
[09:11] <abattoir> Ayabara: sorry, have to go now...
[09:12] <abattoir> Ayabara: try 'man hcid.conf'
[09:12] <Ayabara> abattoir: np. It suddenly seemed to work.
[09:12] <Ayabara> thanks
[09:12] <abattoir> aah ok :)
[09:12] <MetaMorfoziS> what is the replacement of msttcorefonts?
[09:12] <MetaMorfoziS> !msttcorefonts
[09:12] <ubotu> msttcorefonts: Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.2ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 22 kB, installed size 164 kB
[09:12] <MetaMorfoziS> !package msttcorefonts
[09:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about package msttcorefonts - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:12] <MetaMorfoziS> ^^ it said it's not found...
[09:13] <lupine_85> no it didn't
[09:13] <lupine_85> read again
[09:13] <johnwiggity> sweet so you can get microsoft fonts on linux
[09:13] <MetaMorfoziS> it's edgy
[09:13] <johnwiggity> like open office and wat not
[09:13] <lupine_85> sigh
[09:13] <lupine_85> [20:12]  <ubotu> msttcorefonts: Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.2ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 22 kB, installed size 164 kB
[09:13] <lupine_85> multiverse, optional, dapper
[09:13] <MetaMorfoziS> barh
[09:14] <MetaMorfoziS> and for edgy?:D
[09:14] <Ayabara> has anyone tried kmobiletools or know of good similar software for talking with sony ericsson phones?
[09:14] <abattoir> !info msttcorefonts edgy
[09:14] <ubotu> msttcorefonts: Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.2ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 22 kB, installed size 164 kB
[09:14] <abattoir> MetaMorfoziS: ^^^
[09:14] <abattoir> same package
[09:14] <MetaMorfoziS> yes but apt-get said that i can'T translate to english
[09:15] <MetaMorfoziS> it's old or missing...
[09:15] <abattoir> MetaMorfoziS: see if you have the necessary repositories enabled...
[09:15] <abattoir> Ayabara: konq. rocks :D
[09:15] <MetaMorfoziS> i have, i think...:D i enablet
[09:15] <abattoir> MetaMorfoziS: also, you might want to ask edgy-specific stuff on #ubuntu+1 as was suggested earlier
[09:15] <Ash-Fox> Is there I can reload the available fonts without restarting X?
[09:15] <Ayabara> abattoir: it talks with my k800i as if they were old friends :-D
[09:15] <johnwiggity> what does true type do
[09:16] <abattoir> Ayabara: heh lol
[09:16] <abattoir> Ayabara: that's actually bluez-utils doing the trick
[09:16] <abattoir> Ayabara: but then kbluetoothd and bluetooth:/ are what you see :)
[09:17] <abattoir> Ayabara: but konq. still rocks :P
[09:17] <Ayabara> abattoir: ahh. I won't hold it against konq :-)
[09:17] <Ayabara> abattoir: do you use konq as your browser too?
[09:17] <Ayabara> internet browser that is
[09:17] <abattoir> Ayabara: yes
[09:18] <eihnat> anybody managed to install amarok 1.4.3 version? when i try it, adept gives me it breaks install. ver. 1.3.9 will install without problems.
[09:20] <johnwiggity> !opera > johnwiggity
[09:20] <abattoir> johnwiggity: does your printer/scanner work now?
[09:20] <johnwiggity> abattoir: heh
[09:21] <abattoir> eihnat: try 'sudo apt-get install amarok' in a terminal... might be more informative as to what would break
[09:21] <johnwiggity> i dont have a printer/scanner
[09:21] <abattoir> johnwiggity: oh, really... ok, then. :)
[09:23] <FedAgt> can anyone help me install ndiswrapper?
[09:23] <johnwiggity> abattoir: how do you do it
[09:23] <abattoir> johnwiggity: hehe
[09:23] <johnwiggity> i really think your clairvoyant
[09:23] <abattoir> FedAgt: sure
[09:23] <eihnat> how do i get libvisual 0.4?
[09:23] <abattoir> FedAgt: 'sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils' should fetch it
[09:24] <abattoir> eihnat: it should be in the amarok repos on kubuntu.org
[09:24] <FedAgt> abattoir: i need to do it offline sorry
[09:24] <johnwiggity> i wonder if i give myself away so easily
[09:25] <abattoir> FedAgt: ok, go to packages.ubuntu.com
[09:25] <FedAgt> abattoir: ive unpacked it to a folder and run make install but it doesnt install
[09:25] <gerst> I have some problem with my kde.. menus wont start I got this error message .. The KDE panel (kicker) could not load the main panel due to a problem with your installation.
[09:25] <gerst> what can I do about it
[09:25] <gerst> ?
[09:25] <abattoir> FedAgt: did you run ./configure first ?
[09:25] <lupine_85> presumably it's a corrupted config file?
[09:25] <gerst> i`ve tried to delete the whole .kde folder at my home dir
[09:26] <abattoir> gerst: the exact error message might help
[09:26] <gerst> it didnt help
[09:26] <gerst> The KDE panel (kicker) could not load the main panel due to a problem with your installation.
[09:26] <lupine_85> try apt-get install --reinstall kicker and see if that helps
[09:26] <gerst> this is the exact message
[09:26] <FedAgt> abattoir: no, where do i do that?
[09:26] <gerst> I`ll try good tip
[09:26] <abattoir> FedAgt: in the folder where you extracted...
[09:27] <abattoir> FedAgt: run './configure' first, then 'make' then 'make install''
[09:27] <gerst> I got this message...
[09:27] <gerst> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[09:27] <gerst>   kicker: Depends: kdelibs4c2a (>= 4:3.5.3-1) but 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu18 is to be installed
[09:27] <gerst>           Depends: libkonq4 (>= 4:3.5.3-1) but 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu26 is to be installed
[09:27] <gerst> E: Broken packages
[09:27] <FedAgt> abattoir:ok thanks ill try that!, thanks for the help!
[09:27] <abattoir> FedAgt: drop the quotes, ofcourse
[09:27] <abattoir> FedAgt: but wait
[09:27] <FedAgt> abattoir: yeh?
[09:27] <abattoir> FedAgt: do you have the kernel development files?
[09:28] <abattoir> FedAgt: the header files, actually
[09:28] <abattoir> FedAgt: you'd need that to compile ndiswrapper
[09:28] <abattoir> FedAgt: i'd suggest installing ndiswrapper from the repos
[09:28] <abattoir> FedAgt: you'd have to go to packages.ubuntu.com, download it manually
[09:29] <abattoir> FedAgt: and then do 'sudo dpkg -i <filename>.deb' to install it
[09:29] <abattoir> FedAgt: do you understand any of those?
[09:29] <abattoir> or do they sound like gibberish? :P
[09:29] <FedAgt> abattoir: yeh i do =P
[09:30] <abattoir> FedAgt: ok, that's great then :)
[09:30] <FedAgt> abattoir: i think its the header files i need =)
[09:30] <lupine_85> linux-headers-<whatever>
[09:30] <abattoir> FedAgt: trust me.. its a big hassle
[09:31] <alumnos> jkjk
[09:31] <mitchell88> is installation of linux on an emac any differnt than normal
[09:31] <FedAgt> abattoir: to get ndiswrapper working?
[09:31] <abattoir> FedAgt: or maybe not... just try getting the package which linux-headers-<whatever>(as lupine_85 said)
[09:31] <abattoir> points to
[09:31] <FedAgt> abattoir: okies ill do that
[09:31] <abattoir> FedAgt: to compile ndiswrapper manually
[09:31] <gerst> how can I fix broken packages?
[09:32] <lupine_85> abattoir: given that the ubuntu version of ndiswrapper is some 15 revisions behind the current source, it's generally best to roll your own
[09:32] <lupine_85> !info ndiswrapper
[09:32] <ubotu> Package ndiswrapper does not exist in any distro I know
[09:32] <abattoir> FedAgt: remember its a meta package, so downloading it alone, doesnt help
[09:32] <lupine_85> !info ndiswrapper-utils
[09:32] <ubotu> ndiswrapper-utils: Userspace utilities for ndiswrapper. In component main, is optional. Version 1.8-0ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 27 kB, installed size 136 kB
[09:32] <lupine_85> !info ndiswrapper-utils edgy
[09:32] <ubotu> ndiswrapper-utils: Userspace utilities for ndiswrapper. In component main, is optional. Version 1.1-5 (edgy), package size 8 kB, installed size 48 kB
[09:32] <lupine_85> it's something like 1.23 on the website right now
[09:32] <abattoir> lupine_85: yes, but the dep. for the header files sometimes are complicated... to download them all
[09:32] <lupine_85> !info linuz-headers-2.6.15-26-386
[09:32] <ubotu> Package linuz-headers-2.6.15-26-386 does not exist in any distro I know
[09:33] <lupine_85> !info linux-headers-2.6.15-26-386
[09:33] <ubotu> linux-headers-2.6.15-26-386: Linux kernel headers 2.6.15 on 386. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.15-26.46 (dapper), package size 836 kB, installed size 22988 kB
[09:33] <lupine_85> that's no metapackage
[09:33] <lupine_85> abattoir: linux-headers and standard libc are the only deps
[09:34] <Alextremo> Help me ... please
[09:34] <abattoir> lupine_85: hmm.. well, i was wrong i guess(even though i remember it asking for a bunch of deps)
[09:34] <l84wrk> how do i get flash for firefox?
[09:34] <abattoir> !flash
[09:34] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:34] <lupine_85> !flash-nonfree
[09:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about flash-nonfree - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:34] <abattoir> l84wrk: ^^^
[09:34] <lupine_85> meh, it's something like that
[09:34] <lupine_85> !flashinstaller-nonfree
[09:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about flashinstaller-nonfree - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:35] <lupine_85> search for flash in the repos - there's an installer in there
[09:35] <l84wrk> is that in the synaptic
[09:35] <l84wrk> err i guess adpet
[09:35] <abattoir> l84wrk: read the link above... it clearly explains the process :)
[09:35] <abattoir> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[09:35] <l84wrk> ok. thanks.
[09:36] <arunkale> once i install wine from the package manager, do i have to run some winecfg command?
[09:36] <exclude> this is weird, somehow sftp is inaccessible from the "outside" world. could be that I did not set the right ports in my router.
[09:36] <exclude> sftp is ssh, not? aka port 21?
[09:36] <lupine_85> exclude: 22
[09:36] <lupine_85> 21 is telnet IIRC
[09:36] <lupine_85> or FTP
[09:37] <lupine_85> 21 is FTP
[09:37] <exclude> lupine_85: hmm, even stranger, both 22 and 21 are forwarded...
[09:37] <lupine_85> is sshd bound to your external address?
[09:37] <lupine_85> rather than just localhost, say
[09:37] <gerst> how can I fix broken packages?
[09:37] <exclude> lupine_85: afaik yes.
[09:38] <exclude> lemme check that for sure :)
[09:39] <exclude> lupine_85: yes, confirmed: I can log in from remote with SSH, but not with sftp
[09:39] <lupine_85> very strange
[09:41] <WoodwardAve> upgraded to KDE 3.54, kwin has crashed a few times randomly when browsing an intensive website in Firefox - is this a documented bug?
[09:42] <WoodwardAve> using Kubuntu Dapper 6.06.1
[09:43] <Parkotron> Does anyone know if the Amarok 1.4.3 debs will play FLAC files? There was a bug in the 1.4.2 debs.
[09:43] <arunkale> does kubuntu have an inbuilt ftp app?
[09:43] <gerst> open terminal and type ftp :)
[09:43] <abattoir> arunkale: konqueror has ftp support 'inbuilt'
[09:44] <abattoir> arunkale: you can try kbear too
[09:44] <abattoir> !info kbear
[09:44] <ubotu> kbear: graphical ftp client for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.1.1-13ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 2401 kB, installed size 8604 kB
[09:44] <arunkale> should i get kbear or kftpgrabber
[09:44] <SpAwN> !gftp
[09:44] <ubotu> gftp: X/GTK+ FTP client. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.0.18-11ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 44 kB, installed size 76 kB
[09:44] <SpAwN> ^^ i prefer gftp
[09:44] <jpiccolo> how would i set it up my box to be able to be ssh'ed into
[09:44] <gerst> mc has a built in ftp client too
[09:45] <SpAwN> jpiccolo, install openssh-server
[09:45] <SpAwN> i *think*
[09:45] <mrj> hi
[09:45] <mrj> so
[09:45] <mrj> ksysguard is the problem
[09:45] <mrj> or somethign with the packages
[09:45] <mrj> i noticed that : ** (process:19076): CRITICAL **: egg_desktop_entries_add_group: assertion `egg_desktop_entries_lookup_group (entries, group_name) == NULL' failed
[09:46] <mrj> when i tried to apt-get remove ksysguard
[09:46] <mrj> it removed sucessfully but gives this err output
[09:46] <jpiccolo> spawn, ok its install, how would i set it up?
[09:46] <arunkale> kbear or kftpgrabber?
[09:46] <gerst> ... how can I fix broken packages with apt-get ?
[09:46] <mrj> how can i fix my system ?
[09:47] <mrj> i need to know that too
[09:47] <mrj> :)
[09:47] <SpAwN> jpiccolo, probly /etc/init.d/sshd start maby...or got system services and start it
[09:47] <SpAwN> arunkale, like i said i use gftp...the others used to always crash for me
[09:47] <mrj> apt-get upgrade --fix-broken
[09:47] <arunkale> ah
[09:47] <gerst> I never had any problems with packages with ubuntu.. now with kubuntu I have :D
[09:47] <mrj> gerst: apt-get upgrade --fix-broken
[09:48] <jenda> allo
[09:48] <SpAwN> im afk....goog luck all
[09:48] <|GaiJin|> do we have an alternative tio Gdesklets in KDE??
[09:48] <Pensacola> where can I download other login screens?
[09:48] <jenda> What's the Kalternative to gDebi?
[09:48] <gerst> thanks
[09:48] <lupine_85> jenda: dpkg? ;)
[09:49] <lupine_85> in seriousness, I think there's an adept-like program...
[09:49] <jenda> lupine_85: hehe :) I just need the name of the graphical .deb installer for KDE
[09:49] <lupine_85> adept_installer ?
[09:49] <SpAwN> jenda, i think u want adept
[09:49] <lupine_85> (that's the binary name I have here, don't know if it's a separate package or not)
[09:50] <abattoir> |GaiJin|: of course... superkaramba
[09:50] <arunkale> lupine_85: once i install wine using adept, do i need to run some winecfg command?
[09:50] <jenda> SpAwN: thx
[09:50] <lupine_85> arunkale: you can do
[09:50] <jenda> I will blame it on you, if it's wrong :)
[09:50] <lupine_85> if you want to customise the setup
[09:50] <lupine_85> the defaults are sane
[09:51] <arunkale> i dont _have_ to run the command, right?
[09:51] <Lars_G> Are dapper-backports considered safe?
[09:51] <lupine_85> arunkale: no
[09:51] <lupine_85> Lars_G: generally yes
[09:51] <Lars_G> I want amarok 1.4.3 so baddly but it requires some stuff from backports
[09:51] <lupine_85> they're quite well-tested, but no guarantees :)
[09:52] <mrj> lupine_85: can u help me please
[09:52] <h3sp4wn> Lars_G: I would only use them if you had something you actually wanted
[09:52] <Lars_G> lupine_85: any know exceptions (packages) I should be aware of?
[09:52] <lupine_85> mrj: what's the problem?
[09:52] <lupine_85> Lars_G: no
[09:52] <mrj> i get an error message :
[09:52] <mrj> ** (process:20306): CRITICAL **: egg_desktop_entries_add_group: assertion `egg_desktop_entries_lookup_group (entries, group_name) == NULL' failed
[09:52] <Lars_G> perfect, thanks a lot lupine_85 sir
[09:52] <arunkale> thanks lupine_85
[09:52] <lupine_85> I have no idea what that means
[09:52] <mrj> lupine_85: i get that message when i try to install a package with apt-get
[09:52] <lupine_85> np
[09:53] <NthDegree> lmao
[09:53] <lupine_85> mrj: my guess would be a borked apt database, but I don't really know
[09:53] <Lars_G> mrj: ANY package or a specific one?
[09:53] <Lars_G> lupine_85: seems like a failing pre/post install script to me, but I'm not sure
[09:54] <lupine_85> yes, it does sound graphical in nature
[09:54] <lupine_85> in which case dpkg -r <package-name> would solve the problem
[09:55] <arunkale> lupine_85: i installed kftpgrabber from adept.. where can i run it from?
[09:55] <lupine_85> if it's not in the desktop, dpkg -L kftpgrabber (or look at the relevant tab in adept) will give you a list of installed files
[09:56] <lupine_85> find the one most likely to be the binary, and run it from terminal or the run command.. box
[09:56] <arunkale> shouldn't it automatically be added to the k menu?
[09:57] <shantanu> i think i messed up my xorg.conf when i edited it using oowriter
[09:57] <shantanu> X wont start now
[09:57] <lupine_85> erm, yes that would break it
[09:57] <lupine_85> run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg-core
[09:57] <lupine_85> IIRC
[09:58] <shantanu> IIRC?
[09:58] <lupine_85> if I remember correctly
[09:58] <Lars_G> shantanu: If I Recall Correctly
[09:58] <lupine_85> it might actually be a different package
[09:58] <graft> i think dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does it...
[09:58] <shantanu> kk
[09:59] <graft> maybe not... i don't remember for sure either
[09:59] <Lars_G> I better backup my config someday, I've altered my xorg.conf too much to have to rebuild it
[10:00] <arunkale> lupine_85: i ran it from the terminal, but shouldn't it be added to the kmenu automatically? and if it doesn't, is there anyway to add it?
[10:00] <shantanu> well
[10:00] <abattoir> shantanu: or try 'sudo dexconf'
[10:00] <graft> myeh, unless you have four monitors and a tv-out with displaying simultaneously off five different cards, it's not that hard to reconstruct
[10:00] <miyako> you know, I still can't see "IIRC" and not think it has something to do with "IRC" even though I know perfectly well what it actually means
[10:00] <shantanu> abattoir ok
[10:00] <shantanu> then startx>?
[10:00] <abattoir> shantanu: that should get back you default xorg.conf
[10:00] <abattoir> yes
[10:00] <shantanu> fatal IO error
[10:00] <shantanu> :/
[10:00] <graft> ah, fatal IO error
[10:01] <abattoir> shantanu: the exact error message pls.
[10:01] <lupine_85> arunkale: it might just be awaiting a restart of the x server. IF not, you can right-click on the big K and "Menu Editor"....
[10:01] <graft> what's dexconf?
[10:01] <shantanu> fatal IO error 4 "Connection reset by peer"
[10:02] <shantanu> fatal IO error 104 "Connection reset by peer"
[10:02] <graft> um, did it update your xorg.conf?
[10:02] <lupine_85> !debconf
[10:02] <ubotu> debconf is a configuration management system. All packages that support debconf are configured when they are being installed. If you want to change a configuration option later, you can do so using dpkg-reconfigure
[10:02] <D4rkly> wine cant find libntdll.so ?
[10:02] <graft> !dexconf
[10:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dexconf - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:02] <graft> blech
[10:02] <abattoir> graft: debian's x config system
[10:02] <graft> ah, debconf for x
[10:02] <graft> got it
[10:02] <abattoir> heh
[10:02] <shantanu> well..
[10:02] <shantanu> :/
[10:03] <graft> shantanu: did it change your xorg.conf or no?
[10:03] <D4rkly> how can i reconfigure wine ?
[10:03] <abattoir> D4rkly: winecfg ???
[10:04] <shantanu> well.. i was trying to install the ATI drivers according to the HowTo on the Ubuntu forums
[10:04] <shantanu> andafter reboot now it says there is no device!!
[10:04] <abattoir> shantanu: sudo dexconf does nothing?
[10:04] <shantanu> nada
[10:05] <shantanu> thats the error tafter sudo dexconf
[10:06] <abattoir> 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[10:06] <abattoir> shantanu: try that
[10:06] <shantanu> ok
[10:07] <enridima> dov il canale che parla italiano?
[10:07] <tsdgeos> !it
[10:07] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[10:09] <D4rkly> wine: error while loading shared libraries: libntdll.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[10:11] <Diabolic> What program is to be used for downloading photos from a camera in Kubuntu?
[10:11] <insanekane> Diabolic: digikam
[10:14] <Zamboulie> hey
[10:14] <Zamboulie> i need help with something
[10:14] <miyako> Zamboulie and that would be?
[10:14] <razer> which file does kcontrol use to save the configured screen resolution?
[10:15] <Zamboulie> oh ya
[10:15] <Zamboulie> i need help with an audigy 2
[10:15] <Zamboulie> i used to have onboard and now i have an audigy 2
[10:15] <razer> i mean, the active one
[10:16] <wayne_> can onyone point me to forum or something on how o duelboot windows and kubuntu?  please
[10:16] <miyako> hmm, not sure off hand, never used one of those cards and I have no idea how compatable they are
[10:16] <Zamboulie> creative doesn't have linux drivers
[10:19] <Emperor_Norton> erm, kopete keeps crashing
[10:20] <frojnd> does kubunto have any htm viewing programs
[10:20] <frojnd> hzml
[10:20] <h3sp4wn> Zamboulie: audigy2 should work fine with alsa
[10:21] <graft> hzml?
[10:21] <frojnd> html
[10:22] <frojnd> To preview what u wrote..
[10:22] <graft> you mean like a web browser? you want to see it rendered or in code?
[10:22] <arcasa> Hey everyone :)
[10:22] <frojnd> rendered
[10:22] <graft> just open it in konqueror or firefox dude
[10:22] <frojnd> aha
[10:22] <graft> *bonk*
[10:22] <frojnd> :)
[10:22] <frojnd> ;)
[10:22] <arcasa> He wants a codey web browser? It's called Lynx.
[10:22] <DralaFi> How can one have cool window decorations (close, minimise and maximise) like in this picture? http://www.kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=2&id=44730&file1=44730-1.jpg&file2=44730-2.png&file3=&name=Human+KDE
[10:23] <graft> oh i have that window dec... hode on
[10:23] <arcasa> Can anyone tell me how to configure Conky? (I only installed this morning to please, Nothing too technical :P)
[10:23] <arcasa> so*
[10:24] <graft> erm... apparently not on this machine... just poke around kde-look DralaFi, it's on there
[10:24] <DralaFi> graft, i thought it was deKorator, but I can't seem to get that working (selecting it makes the whole kwin titlebar and all the buttons totally dissapear)
[10:25] <Zamboulie> whats that command to get rid of shift+backspace making it restart X
[10:26] <arcasa> How can I disable GUI login? (You can't beat a Terminal Login)
[10:26] <graft> DralaFi: dekorator is just a system that allows you to use a whole bunch of themes
[10:26] <graft> DralaFi: you have to install specific dekorator themes to get it to work properly...
[10:27] <weedar_> arcasa: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=218216
[10:28] <graft> DralaFi: it might be aero glass theme for dekorator that you want
[10:28] <DralaFi> graft, i got the answer from #kde - need to install crystal decorations
[10:29] <DralaFi> aero glass theme for dekorator <--- tried that, dekorator doesn't work, no matter which theme I try
[10:29] <frojnd> strange
[10:29] <frojnd> if I open index.html with konqueror shows only code
[10:30] <pierreth> can i have some help to have sound with my machine?
[10:31] <pierreth> in kinfo, it is written that I have no sound card
[10:31] <pierreth> well, so sound
[10:31] <arcasa> You know some keyboards have like volume control and other useful buttons on.... Are they a Windows only thing or has the Nix Collective found a way around that?
[10:31] <arunkale> lupine_85: OMG FTP is so easy using Konqueror!
[10:31] <arunkale> and so fast!
[10:31] <purple> hi all
[10:31] <arunkale> hi purple
[10:32] <graft> arcasa: you can probably deal with 'em... you just need to munge around with your xorg.conf some
[10:32] <lupine_85> if you think that's good, fish://your-ssh-server
[10:32] <lupine_85> (to arunkale)
[10:32] <purple> cansomebodypaste me a link of kde 3.5.4 repo to install it on my ubuntu box?
[10:32] <pierreth> arcasa: you have to install some applications
[10:32] <arcasa> I'm a noob. I installed Kubuntu this morning.
[10:32] <pierreth> arcasa: hotkeys I think
[10:32] <_bender_> Oh this question is gonna be random but....is the CONFIGURE command included by default with Kubuntu...?
[10:32] <lupine_85> !hotkeys
[10:32] <ubotu> hotkeys: A hotkeys daemon for your Internet/multimedia keyboard in X. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.7.3ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 141 kB, installed size 380 kB
[10:32] <arcasa> Can you name the application?
[10:33] <arunkale> lupine_85: what's that do?
[10:33] <graft> well, there you go...
[10:33] <pierreth> ubotu: did
[10:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about did - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:33] <lupine_85> arunkale: lets you browse any SSH server
[10:33] <arunkale> oh?
[10:33] <lupine_85> very handy
[10:33] <pierreth> i made of try of hotkeys
[10:33] <graft> i wish they'd get rid of ftp entirely
[10:33] <pierreth> I made a try of hotkeys
[10:34] <AV1611> greeting! can anybody help out with SFTP protocol, please...
[10:34] <graft> what's your question, AV1611?
[10:34] <pierreth> But I don't have enough keys, so this is not very useful for me
[10:34] <AV1611> FarSCP plugin is used at Win
[10:34] <lupine_85> Alright! hotkeys works really well
[10:34] <AV1611> but at linux I can't find any suitable tool
[10:34] <AV1611> for that task////
[10:35] <lupine_85> scp:// ?
[10:35] <graft> AV1611: fish:// in konqueror, as we just discussed
[10:35] <AV1611> and what ois the syntax of that command?
[10:35] <Zamboulie> how do i change my password?
[10:35] <graft> AV1611: it's just browsing your machine, like: fish://your-server/path
[10:35] <AV1611> fish://username:passwd@ftp.secureftpserver.org
[10:36] <lupine_85> erm, SSH server
[10:36] <Dace> AV1611: remote:/ -> Add a Network Folder
[10:36] <graft> um, never, ever put your ssh password in a url, eww
[10:36] <AV1611> there's got to be appiled some username and passwd
[10:36] <lupine_85> hehe
[10:36] <graft> that is REALLY REALLY bad security
[10:36] <graft> AV1611: it'll prompt you for it, in a SECURE fashion
[10:36] <pierreth> If I go in kcontrol, it is written: No information about Sound card
[10:37] <lupine_85> oooh, in public as well...
[10:37] <pierreth> how can I know if I have a sound card?
[10:37] <pierreth> I have no volume
[10:37] <graft> pierreth: lspci -v, probably
[10:38] <AV1611> well, thanx, but if there's a way to work with it my MC-like commander?
[10:38] <lupine_85> hmm
[10:38] <AV1611> by MC
[10:39] <AV1611> I mean
[10:39] <AV1611> do you see, straight MC (as well as FAR, TCMD) cannot work with that kind of server
[10:39] <pierreth> graft: I think I have nothing
[10:40] <AV1611> I got SFTP plugin for FAR, ad onmly then I become able to get through to my server...
[10:40] <pierreth> it have an ibm 300PL
[10:40] <graft> pierreth: you don't see like 'multimedia audio controller' or some such?
[10:41] <pierreth> graft: no, not at all
[10:41] <pierreth> graft: I have the plugs on the machine
[10:41] <Martijn81> this is weird, changing the resolution from system settings does not work, and when i reboot i am forced to reconfigure-xserver again. It used to work splended :s
[10:41] <graft> AV1611: so you want sftp working in mc?
[10:41] <pierreth> graft: my speakers are connected
[10:41] <AV1611> yes, that's the main problem I need to resolve
[10:42] <AV1611> as mc is very usable for me
[10:42] <pierreth> graft: I looked inside the machine and it seems to be integrated to the mother board
[10:43] <graft> pierreth: wanna post the output of lspci -v on the pastebin?
[10:43] <pierreth> graft: sure
[10:43] <Martijn81> it doesn' t "preview either", no xgl installed, just vanilla installation, this hardware worked fine in dapper until now. I am lost
[10:43] <DralaFi> is there a kubuntu-specific configuration app to make the framebuffer on bootup have higher res? or is this just an issue of making grub use the proper vga= option?
[10:44] <lupine_85> it's not kubuntu-specific
[10:44] <lupine_85> just vga= ir
[10:44] <lupine_85> it*
[10:45] <DralaFi> thanks :)
[10:45] <pierreth> graft: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23356
[10:45] <graft> AV1611: mc has built-in fish support... hit F9 and it's 'shell link' in the pulldown menu
[10:46] <AV1611> OK, thanx!
[10:47] <AV1611> goodbuy
[10:47] <Martijn81> i'd hope it's only me then, i' ve not touched xorg.conf since installation, besides nvidia driver of course
[10:47] <graft> pierreth: hrm, looks like it doesn't recognize your card at all... are you sure it's seated properly? it's a PCI card or on-board?
[10:48] <pierreth> graft: no, as I said it is integrated to the mother board
[10:48] <graft> hm, anyone know how to get that snazzy boot-splash sequence working?
[10:48] <graft> pierreth, my guess is it's disabled in the bios, then...
[10:48] <pierreth> graft: not a bad idea, i will look
[10:48] <pierreth> graft: thank you
[10:50] <draik> If none of my OpenGL screensavers function/display, what should I be looking for and where?
[10:50] <DralaFi> glx module needs to be loaded
[10:50] <DralaFi> you can try glxinfo
[10:51] <draik> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[10:51] <draik> Xlib: No protocol specified
[10:51] <draik> Error: unable to open display (null)
[10:51] <h3sp4wn> draik: Installed a combination of drivers from nvidia.com and from the repositories
[10:51] <draik> How do I run/install  *.run  files?
[10:51] <lupine_85> sh <file>
[10:51] <DralaFi> sh ./blah.run
[10:51] <h3sp4wn> chmod +x blah.run
[10:51] <lupine_85> assuming they're executables
[10:52] <h3sp4wn> ./blah.run
[10:52] <sorush20> hi guys I'm unable to use amarok-xine with alsa..
[10:52] <cristian> hola a todos , mi ubuntu no apaga , alguien me puede ayudar?
[10:52] <sorush20> I keep getting the message that xine was unable to get the device..
[10:53] <h3sp4wn> draik: You should either use the drivers from the repositories or from nvidia not a combination of both
[10:53] <sorush20> I have spoken to the amarok people but they say that its a distro problem rather than amarok
[10:53] <sorush20> how would I go about fixing this proble.
[10:53] <draik> h3sp4wn, I can't seem to install the driver from nvidia because I'm running X
[10:54] <sorush20> I am using advanced linux sound arch in the system settings - sound and multimedia
[10:54] <draik> I also installed the drivers from the repos already
[10:54] <sorush20> how would I go about fixing this probelm?
[10:54] <purple> i trying to upgrade my existing KDE to 3.5.4 but i get these messages W: GPG error: http://kubuntu.org dapper Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A506E6D4DD4D5088
[10:54] <purple> W: GPG error: http://kubuntu.org dapper Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A506E6D4DD4D5088
[10:54] <purple> can u help?
[10:54] <purple> sorry 4 flooding
[10:54] <purple> ;(
[10:54] <h3sp4wn> draik: Have you run nvidia-glxconfig enable (or whatever the command is)
[10:55] <BluesKaj> sorush20, try the new release available at these repos sites:
[10:55] <BluesKaj> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-latest dapper main
[10:55] <BluesKaj> deb-src http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-latest dapper main
[10:55] <manuel_> hi
[10:55] <purple> thnxx
[10:55] <purple> thnxx BluesKaj
[10:55] <draik> says that nvidia is not a command
[10:56] <draik> errr.. .command not found
[10:56] <lupine_85> nvidia-glx-config iirc
[10:56] <BluesKaj> add them to your sources list and then do the 'sudo apt-get update" command
[10:57] <pierreth> graft: it is enabled
[10:57] <draik> Error: your X configuration has been altered.This script cannot proceed automatically. If you believe that thisnot correct, you can update the md5sum entry executing the followingcommand: md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf | sudo tee /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum otherwise edit manually /etc/X11/xorg.conf to change the Driver section from nv to nvidia.
[10:57] <Martijn81> ok, work again, if people are having the same issue they might NOT wanna skip the Kpersonaliser bacause configuring the resolution will be unpossible from kde otherwise
[10:57] <Martijn81> *works
[10:58] <draik> lupine_85, I did   nvidia-xgl-config       and then it told me that I had to select    enable | disable          I did        nvidia-xgl-config enable         and got that error
[10:58] <sorush20> BluesKaj: you have given me the wron source
[10:58] <sorush20> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/amarok-1.4.3.php
[10:58] <lupine_85> draik: then do what it's told you to do
[10:58] <lupine_85> or edit the file manually
[10:58] <draik> ok
[10:59] <Martijn81> why is this new kpersonaliser introduced anyway? anyone?
[10:59] <BluesKaj> sorush20, try the new release available at these repos sites: sorry sorush20, but you have to copy and paste them into your sources list
[10:59] <cpk2> draik: you should just have to change nv to nvidia
[11:00] <draik> ok
[11:00] <draik> I'm going to do that right now
[11:00] <h3sp4wn> draik: just run md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf | sudo tee /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum
[11:00] <sorush20> BluesKaj: you told me this was the repo eb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-latest dapper main, but amarok suggest this deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-143 dapper main which is it?
[11:00] <h3sp4wn> draik: then re run it
[11:01] <BluesKaj> both !
[11:01] <draik> OK
[11:02] <draik> to restart X do I need to restart the desktop or can I safely do CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE?
[11:02] <BluesKaj> I copied and pasted them from my list ... those sources got me the new amarok and dependencies
[11:02] <lupine_85> draik: ctrl+alt+backspace is fine
[11:02] <draik> Thank you
[11:02] <draik> Thank you lupine_85 h3sp4wn and cpk2
[11:03] <lupine_85> np :)
[11:03] <BluesKaj> sorush20, or try www.imbrandon.com for more info and sources
[11:03] <cpk2> i hope he backed up is xorg.conf
[11:03] <cpk2> his*
[11:05] <NthDegree> !restricted
[11:05] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:05] <sorush20> BluesKaj: that dosent' help
[11:05] <NthDegree> !restricted >Vanique
[11:05] <NthDegree> !restricted > Vanique
[11:05] <sorush20> I am using the same verison as you are but there i snot way that I can use alsa and amarok xine..
[11:06] <sorush20> I keep getting the message that xine was unable to initialise audio driver..
[11:06] <zorglu> q. what is the name of the kde task bar which zoom the icon as in macosx ?
[11:07] <BluesKaj> well , sorush20...it works for me
[11:08] <BluesKaj> duh, check yer drivers then ... it's not amarok
[11:08] <lupine_85> sorush20: probably something else - e.g. artsd - is using the sound hardware
[11:09] <miyako> zorglu: there have been a lot, just google around for some combination o f"linux" "kde" and "dock" and you'll probably find one you like
[11:09] <eve> @find thriller
[11:09] <sorush20> lupine_85: those firefox for gaim use it?
[11:09] <lupine_85> sorush20: what?
[11:10] <sorush20> lupine_85: the artsd
[11:10] <zorglu> miyako: ok thanks
[11:10] <cpk2> sorush20: firefox and gaim can both tie up your sound card but your artsd should be handling more than one output
[11:11] <sorush20> cpk2: what could the problem be? my kubuntu system is set to use alsa but I have two output deviced a usb headphone that I want to use with amarok and a monitor speaker..
[11:11] <lupine_85> sorush20: lots of things use artsd, but in general you can make them use something else
[11:12] <graft> man there should just be a howto for this
[11:12] <graft> 'how to disable artsd, use alsa, and live a better life.'
[11:12] <lupine_85> graft: write one? :)
[11:12] <cpk2> usually in ubuntu the sound "just works"
[11:12] <graft> yeh... probably i should
[11:12] <lupine_85> it's pretty easy though... click... click... click... untick
[11:12] <frojnd> hej guys, I wrote some html code. Where can I preview it?
[11:12] <graft> the problem is, for some reason the KDE guys are STILL stuck on arts, even though they haven't developed it in years
[11:12] <lupine_85> frojnd: what?
[11:13] <graft> and they keep bundling it in and leaving it running... dumb
[11:13] <miyako> frojnd - try just opening it in konqeror or firefox
[11:13] <frojnd> I made my first page in html
[11:13] <lupine_85> IMO, if you want to things playing at the same time, you should have two sound cards ;)
[11:13] <lupine_85> ^ what s/he said^
[11:13] <frojnd> I allready tried, nothing happens, it opens code that I wrote :S
[11:13] <enzo_> OK
[11:13] <graft> frojnd: what'd you edit it with? is it plain text?
[11:13] <enzo_> si I did all of that
[11:13] <Hawkwind> graft: You do realize that arts is being replaced
[11:13] <lupine_85> does it have a .html extension?
[11:14] <enzo_> *so
[11:14] <miyako> frojnd - is it HTML or is it something like PHP?
[11:14] <lupine_85> oooh really?
[11:14] <enzo_> but now I can't log into Kubuntu
[11:14] <frojnd> graft frojnd: what'd you edit it with? is it plain text?
[11:14] <graft> Hawkwind: um, no... when, "kde 4"?
[11:14] <frojnd>  yes
[11:14] <lupine_85> what with?
[11:14] <Hawkwind> graft: In KDE4 yes, but not sure if it might appear *before* that
[11:14] <Hawkwind> lupine_85: I've been told it's being replaced by *solid*
 what with?  ur talking to me?
[11:14] <graft> man... everything good is going to happen in KDE4... it's like waiting for Jesus to arrive
[11:14] <lupine_85> frojnd: no
[11:15] <miyako> I'm really excited about KDE4 - good things are happening
[11:15] <Hawkwind> graft: Hah
[11:15] <lupine_85> graft: he's in south park
[11:15] <enzo_> h3sp4wn, lupine_85, I did what you both told me and now it won't load up
[11:15] <graft> oh yeah, true
[11:15] <sorush20> but I have already set my kubuntu to use alsa through system settings
[11:15] <lupine_85> enzo_: were you the nvidia drivers person?
[11:15] <miyako> graft: except without the people randomly knocking on your door asking if you've heard the "good news"
[11:15] <Hawkwind> lupine_85: Supposedly there is mention of it on the arts(d) home page
[11:15] <zorglu> miyako: apparently the installation of kxdocker went ok... i restarted kde but nothing chnaged. how can i test if it is there and working ?
[11:15] <enzo_> yup
[11:15] <lupine_85> then presumably the driver isn't in properly
[11:16] <lupine_85> what happens when you "sudo modprobe nvidia"?
[11:16] <graft> miyako: um, some linux zealots are pretty zealous
[11:16] <enzo_> I can't log into anything
[11:16] <miyako> zorglu - I'm not sure, I haven't used that one befre.  I don't really have access to KDE right now since I'm at work (running NT4 *shudder*)
[11:16] <lupine_85> enzo_: yes you can
[11:16] <zorglu> miyako: ok :)
[11:16] <lupine_85> you have six virtual terminals to choose from
[11:16] <miyako> graft: true, it reminds me of that quote on bash where the guy says linux users are like the jehova's witnesses of the computer world.  "have you heard about linux?"
[11:17] <enzo_> and none of them respond
[11:17] <enzo_> it freezes
[11:17] <flake> howdy all
[11:17] <lupine_85> in that case, something in the module is flaky
[11:17] <lupine_85> reboot in single-user mode and go back to the old one
[11:17] <miyako> zorglu : if you stick around for a couple of hours I can check when I get home.
[11:17] <graft> i'm all set for KDE to destroy the world, but i dunno... seems like things have been pretty stagnant interface-wise for so many years, i'm skeptical of them pulling off a huge leap forward
[11:18] <lupine_85> Har! "KDE uses aRts to play sounds. aRts bases on your normal Linux sound drivers, either OSS or ALSA (using the OSS emulation)."
[11:18] <graft> talk is cheap
[11:18] <frojnd> or can anyone tell me what's the name of text editor?
[11:18] <lupine_85> kate ?
[11:18] <frojnd> txt
[11:18] <lupine_85> nano ?
[11:18] <frojnd> hm
[11:18] <graft> kate!
[11:18] <flake> vi
[11:18] <enzo_> lupine_85, single user mode?
[11:18] <lupine_85> enzo: also known as recovery mode. it's an option in the boot menu
[11:18] <enzo_> that's what I'm in now
[11:18] <frojnd> I saved my html file like: index.html
[11:18] <enzo_> I'm in under root right now
[11:19] <frojnd> and it doesn't wanna open it like it should
[11:19] <miyako> graft: I'm not sure, I think that progress is being made, but I think things are going to cool off a bit until compiz and XGL or AIGLX become more mature
[11:19] <enzo_> I gave my root password
[11:19] <lupine_85> then run nvidia-glx-config disable
[11:19] <graft> frojnd: sometimes it doesn't like initial spaces or line breaks...
[11:19] <lupine_85> and you should be back to stability
[11:19] <miyako> I really like XGL/Compiz, but I do wish that compiz was integrated into the KDE Kontrol Center, and that I could reasonably run OpenGL applications while running XGL
[11:19] <enzo_> cosays that command not found
[11:19] <miyako> (maya runs like honey that's been setting in the freezer for a week under XGL)
[11:20] <frojnd> graft frojnd: sometimes it doesn't like initial spaces or line breaks...  I know, so I've used <pre> :)
[11:20] <frojnd> ok
[11:20] <frojnd> I am going all over again
[11:20] <graft> frojnd: um, what?
[11:20] <graft> frojnd: you've used <pre>?
[11:21] <graft> frojnd: err, maybe you should pastebin your code... :P
[11:21] <enzo_> lupine_85, it says command not found
[11:22] <lupine_85> well, you used it earlier
[11:22] <lupine_85> well, you called it "nvidia-xgl-config"
[11:22] <enzo_> nvidia-glx-config   is not a command, which is strange because it worked earlier
[11:23] <cpk2> enzo_: if you try tab completing from nv do you get anything?
[11:23] <miyako> try nv then hit tab a couple of times
[11:23] <enzo_> nope
[11:23] <enzo_> nothing
[11:23] <miyako> sometimes I try to use tab completion in every day conversation
[11:24] <cpk2> enzo were you logged in as root when you ran it last time?
[11:24] <graft> you're talking to your mom and you look around for the tab key?
[11:24] <enzo_> I am under roto
[11:24] <enzo_> *root
[11:24] <_Mucki_> hi
[11:25] <miyako> "of course I can explain where I've been... I was<tab><tab>"
[11:25] <_Mucki_> can anyone help me with cifs?
[11:26] <Martijn81> ok i might sound stupid, but where do i report a bug an launchpad, i seriously can' t find it
[11:26] <frojnd> html so qute ;)
[11:27] <enzo_> Is there a way to undo what I did manually?
[11:27] <Trackilizer> I just connected my ipod nano into kubuntu and now i have an ipod icon on my desktop, however how do i put songs onto it and remove them again? i'm looking for something like itunes for kubuntu.
[11:27] <cpk2> enzo_: did you backup your xorg.conf?
[11:27] <enzo_> I only changed one thing
[11:28] <enzo_> nv to nvidia
[11:28] <_Mucki_> i used to mount my samba share with smbfs, it was fine apart from the encoding, thats y i changed to cifs, there the encoding works fine but the file owner is root although i set uid and gid in the fstab, infact i only changed smbfs into cifs
[11:28] <_Mucki_> any1 got an idea?
[11:28] <Martijn81> closed maybe?
[11:28] <lupine_85> yes, just sed "s/nvidia/nv/" -i /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:28] <lupine_85> or there might be a backup somewhere
[11:28] <linnuxxy> the toggle key for keyboard layout not working for me!!! i have to click the indicator in the task bar to change the keyboard layout!!!
[11:28] <lupine_85> check for the backup first :)
[11:29] <little_caesar> where can I get synaptec package manager, since it didn't seem to come w/ kubuntu
[11:29] <little_caesar> I don't like adept
[11:29] <enzo_> yup
[11:29] <enzo_> I made a backup
[11:29] <enzo_> its the original one from the fresh install
[11:30] <enzo_> but cp won't work
[11:30] <cpk2> so just move the backup to xorg.conf and then you will be back to working
[11:30] <graft> little_caesar: just install it, sudo apt-get install synaptic
[11:30] <little_caesar> thanks
[11:30] <enzo_> cp xorg.conf.backup xorg.conf
[11:30] <cpk2> enzo try mv
[11:30] <h3sp4wn> enzo_: Make sure you have dapper-security main restricted (in sources.list)
[11:31] <enzo_> cp: cannot create regular file `xorg.conf': Read-only file system
[11:31] <enzo_> I do have it, yes
[11:31] <lupine_85> hmm
[11:31] <lupine_85> usually the fs gets mounted ro when errors are detected
[11:31] <enzo_> cannot move
[11:31] <enzo_> read only
[11:31] <h3sp4wn> enzo_: Otherwise you will not have the suitable restricted modules for the kernel you are running (i.e nvidia.ko)
[11:31] <lupine_85> did you shut down properly?
[11:31] <enzo_> I did the CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE
[11:32] <enzo_> then I wasn't able to log back in
[11:32] <lupine_85> so you pulled the power?
[11:32] <h3sp4wn> enzo_: But X is now not running ?
[11:32] <enzo_> not running, no
[11:33] <cpk2> enzo_: why couldnt you log back in?
[11:33] <enzo_> no clue
[11:33] <h3sp4wn> enzo_: sudo aptitude search restricted-modules~i
[11:33] <enzo_> doesn't say
[11:33] <Hawkwind> h3sp4wn: Have you had the chance to do a 64Bit build of E17 yet ?
[11:33] <enzo_> aptitude: command not found
[11:34] <cpk2> enzo_:  tab complete apt
[11:34] <lupine_85> the first thing you need to do is get away from the ro filesystem
[11:34] <enzo_> nothing
[11:34] <enzo_> just beeps at me
[11:34] <lupine_85> the easiest way would be to reboot normally and let fsck run, then ctrl+alt+del it
[11:34] <little_caesar> graft: Package synaptic is not available, but is referred to by another package.This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source
[11:34] <graft> little_caesar: um... seems unlikely...
[11:35] <little_caesar> E: Package synaptic has no installation candidate
[11:35] <cpk2> does tab complete even give you options if you try it without anything typed out?
[11:35] <enzo_> nope
[11:35] <enzo_> wait
[11:35] <enzo_> now it does
[11:35] <h3sp4wn> Hawkwind: Not yet - do you need it to be signed ? (I will try and do it tommorow)
[11:35] <enzo_> Display all 390 possibilities? (y or n)
[11:36] <trappist> mine doesn't
[11:36] <enzo_> y
[11:36] <trappist> 390?
[11:36] <cpk2> oh well thats good, 390 isnt very much
[11:36] <graft> little_caesar: did you update recently?
[11:36] <Hawkwind> h3sp4wn: Up to you if you sign them.  If you do, I'll just a copy of the key .asc file to put on SoS with the packages as well
[11:36] <little_caesar> no
[11:36] <little_caesar> graft: maybe I need to add a repo which has it
[11:36] <cpk2> kind of wierd you dont have apt though
[11:36] <graft> little_caesar: well, why don't you update? sudo apt-get update
[11:36] <little_caesar> what are some of the repositories where to get it? all of mine are like security
[11:36] <enzo_> nope, no apt
[11:36] <little_caesar> fine. But I'm on dialup...
[11:36] <enzo_> alias, alsactl and arch
[11:36] <graft> little_caesar: you don't have the main repos?!
[11:37] <little_caesar> I have what it came with
[11:37] <graft> yeah, you do, then... just update
[11:38] <enzo_> what's the command to restart x?
[11:38] <cpk2> i thought you said x wasnt running?
[11:38] <enzo_> its not
[11:38] <enzo_> just thought it might help/work
[11:38] <Hawkwind> To start it, startx
[11:38] <Hawkwind> If it's not running, you can't restart it
[11:38] <little_caesar> "Nothing to update. Good bye!"
[11:38] <enzo_> command not found
[11:38] <little_caesar> to graft
[11:39] <cpk2> i forgot the other command its init-rc touch something or other
[11:39] <little_caesar> well, you know. I wasn't able to get on the internet earlier. A lot of repos are commented out on sources.list
[11:40] <graft> little_caesar: um, what are you using to update? i've never gotten that message
[11:40] <cpk2> ah i think its touch init-rc kdm
[11:40] <little_caesar> I think that's why. Because sources.list says it wasn't able to verify it
[11:40] <little_caesar> and, of course. How can you verify it without the internet?
[11:40] <little_caesar> I have no repos, I think
[11:40] <little_caesar> lol
[11:40] <little_caesar> uncommenting them. Seeing if that helps
[11:40] <graft> well, that would do it
[11:41] <cpk2> enzo_: does "touch init-rc kdm start" work?
[11:41] <little_caesar> when does it verify repos? Every time you open the package manager?
[11:41] <enzo_> nope
[11:41] <enzo_> RO FS
[11:42] <cpk2> !tune2fs
[11:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tune2fs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:42] <cpk2> !fsck
[11:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fsck - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:42] <enzo_> want me to fsck?
[11:42] <cpk2> whats the usage for tune2fs?
[11:42] <little_caesar> lol
[11:42] <enzo_> it can do that
[11:42] <cpk2> might want to
[11:42] <little_caesar> !ubotu
[11:43] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[11:43] <little_caesar> who are you
[11:43] <royal> ok how do you install Wine off of a jump drive? (gateway linux computer has no internet access... only the windows computer has access and i'm using it)
[11:43] <cpk2> its easier if you use tune2fs and set the mount count to 99 then reboot
[11:43] <enzo_> tune2fs -C 99
[11:43] <enzo_> ?
[11:43] <cpk2> i think so
[11:44] <cpk2> cant remember if its c or C
[11:44] <enzo_> -C mount_count
[11:44] <enzo_> -c max_mounts_count
[11:44] <purple> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-354.php
[11:44] <purple> :)
[11:44] <cpk2> yeah you want C
[11:44] <cpk2> and set it to 99 then reboot
[11:44] <cpk2> it should fsck on startup then
[11:44] <enzo_> hmmm
[11:45] <enzo_> all it returned was       tune2fs 1.38 (30-Jun-2005)
[11:45] <cpk2> it probably worked
[11:45] <enzo_> I'm rebooting now
[11:45] <enzo_> recovery mode or regular boot?
[11:46] <cpk2> regular i suppose
[11:46] <enzo_> ok
[11:46] <enzo_> seems to be going through now
[11:46] <enzo_> but it usually fails after the fsck
[11:46] <royal> how do you install Wine off of a jump drive? (gateway linux computer has no internet access... only the windows computer has access and i'm using it) I downloaded the file off of linuxgamers.net and now I want to know how to install it to my Kubuntu PC
[11:47] <cpk2> fails?
[11:47] <enzo_> yeah, after it goes 100% in fsck, it goes back to the blue Kubuntu splash screen (black background) and sits there... frozen
[11:51] <vge> hey, how can i disable mousewheel that changes tabs when i use the weel ower them?
[11:51] <enzo_> does that make sense?
[11:52] <cpk2> enzo_: jst oto a different terminal and i think do "touch init-rc kdm stop"
[11:52] <cpk2> just go to*
[11:53] <enzo_> can't at the moment
[11:53] <cpk2> why not?
[11:53] <enzo_> 85%
[11:53] <cpk2> oh ok
[11:53] <enzo_> .. /dev/hdb1 was not cleanly unmounted, check forced.
[11:53] <cpk2> but fsck doesnt find any bad blocks?
[11:54] <enzo_> well, that's done
[11:54] <pierreth> it is curious, I have a generic icon for my thunderbird window
[11:54] <enzo_> and again, I'm back to the blue kubuntu
[11:54] <pierreth> I have an X
[11:54] <enzo_> that won't go anywhere
[11:54] <pierreth> What could be wrong?
[11:54] <enzo_> doesn't seem to
[11:54] <enzo_> and if I reboot right now, it will do it over again because it wasn't unmounted properly
[11:54] <enzo_> and that just gets irritating after a while
[11:55] <pierreth> In the K menu, I have the good icon
[11:55] <cpk2> go to a different terminal and try that stop command
[11:55] <cpk2> btw you can ctrl c fsck
[11:55] <enzo_> WTF???
[11:55] <pierreth> How can I fix Thunderbird to have the proper icon?
[11:55] <enzo_> I hit CTRL+ALT+DEL and it goes through and rebotos
[11:55] <enzo_> *reboots
[11:55] <cpk2> you can ctrl c fsck
[11:56] <b_52Centos> is there any correspondant of gDesklet
[11:56] <b_52Centos> ?
[11:56] <enzo_> pierreth, right click on the thunderbird and select to edit the item, then click on the icon in the new window and scroll down to Thunderbird...
[11:56] <b_52Centos> in dke ?
[11:56] <enzo_> Ummm...
[11:56] <b_52Centos> kde i mean
[11:56] <pierreth> enzo_: I have the right icon in the menu
[11:56] <enzo_> this time there was no check, but I'm still stuck out of X
[11:57] <pierreth> enzo_: The application itself does not have the good icon
[11:57] <enzo_> C+A+F1 is ok
[11:57] <enzo_> don't know about that, mine works fine
[11:57] <pierreth> enzo_: I have a the generic X Windows icon
[11:58] <enzo_> ok
[11:58] <enzo_> so now I can actually modify files
[11:58] <arunkale> anyone here tried out drupal?
[11:58] <enzo_> no longer ROFS
[11:59] <enzo_> sorry pierreth, can't help you with that... dunno how to change that
[11:59] <cpk2> so get the old xorg.conf in there and hopefully x will work again
[11:59] <pierreth> enzo_: OK, it is weird bug
[12:00] <enzo_> did that right now, and now I'm rebooting
[12:00] <enzo_> I hope I can get X back
[12:00] <enzo_> all of this trouble for OpenGL
[12:00] <enzo_> UGH
[12:00] <enzo_> still not logging into X
[12:00] <lupine_85> does it say why?
[12:01] <cpk2> i think it just locks up before the gui login?
[12:01] <lupine_85> e.g. when s/he runs 'startx'
[12:01] <enzo_> yup
[12:01] <lupine_85> it gives error messages which can be handy
[12:01] <enzo_> Fatal server error:
[12:01] <enzo_> no screens found
[12:02] <enzo_> XIO: fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0"
[12:02] <enzo_> after 0 requests (0 known processes) with 0 events remaining
[12:02] <lupine_85> the important error will be before that
[12:02] <enzo_> that's my error when I go to C+A+F1 and type     startx
[12:03] <lupine_85> ok, check the log
[12:03] <lupine_85>  /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[12:03] <enzo_> right
[12:03] <enzo_> what am I looking for?
[12:03] <cpk2> the error
[12:03] <lupine_85> any error :)
[12:04] <enzo_> well, for starters, I think the big one here is that it says I have an ATI, rather than nVidia Device
[12:04] <halfbloodprince> anyone here used drupal?
[12:05] <lupine_85> well, yes
[12:05] <enzo_> EE No devices detected
[12:05] <lupine_85> in that case install the ATI drivers rather than the nvidia ones
[12:05] <cpk2> haha that might be a problem
[12:05] <cpk2> what does lspci say yo have?
[12:07] <enzo_> VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV36 [GeForce FX 5700LE]  (rev a1)
[12:07] <cpk2> lupine_85: so he doesnt want the ati drivers =P
[12:07] <lupine_85> indeed
[12:08] <lupine_85> ok, what does "sudo modprobe nvidia" say?
[12:09] <enzo_> nothing
[12:09] <enzo_> just returns to the prompt
[12:09] <lupine_85> in that case, you have the nvidia drivers installed OK
[12:09] <enzo_> ok
[12:09] <lupine_85> what does startx say now?