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[12:38] <Burgwork> http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/ <-- ubuntu!
[12:39] <Rinchen> ha! That's great
[12:40] <Rinchen> Time for me to run. I'm doing another Ubuntu Presentation in Colorado down in Denver.  ...at Oracle. :-)
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[01:14] <adamant1988> hello all
[01:23] <kostkon> Burgwork, thanks, dude!
[01:35] <Burgwork> NVU 0.80:2.480,000 lines of code, of which 1.606.000 are in C++. <-- boggle!
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[04:02] <rjian> hello people
[04:03] <adamant1988> hello rjian
[04:03] <rjian> hello adamant1988
[04:03] <rjian> Johnlittle: are u there?
[04:04] <adamant1988> no he's not... no one is..
[04:04] <adamant1988> it's just you and me... *maniacal laughter*
[04:04] <rjian> ah ok.. do u know the links of his site?
[04:05] <adamant1988> nope.
[04:05] <rjian> ah ok
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[04:43] <Flannel> info tovidgui
[04:43] <Flannel> ack, sorry
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[05:47] <poningru> whats mathewrevell's nick?
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[09:08] <Burgundavia_> nixternal: can you add something to teh UWN about a Kubuntu changes
[09:08] <Burgundavia_> ?
[09:11] <nixternal> sure
=== nixternal adds that to the todo list
[09:11] <nixternal> i have 3 todos rolling right now..and ummm...2 are Kubuntu, and 1/2 of one is Ubuntu, and then 1/4 of that is personal coding stuff, and then the other 1/4 is god knows what ;)
[09:16] <nixternal> g'nite!
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[02:18] <johnlittle> omg..theres an ubuntu xgl demo..complete with porn..on youtube
[02:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> rofl
[02:53] <ompaul> johnlittle, promote something and someone somewhere will troll it
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[03:01] <elkbuntu> xchat is a sick sick program.. it linkified 'porn..on'
[03:30] <poningru> johnlittle: rofl
[03:31] <poningru> elkbuntu: waah?
[03:31] <poningru> weird
[03:31] <elkbuntu> hover the mouse over where johnlittle said it
[03:33] <poningru> yeah thats just ... too funny
[03:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh, tahts not right :S
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[07:46] <jenda> Burgwork: gah @ meetingtime :(
[07:46] <jenda> I'll try to stay up that long.
[07:58] <Burgwork> jenda, sorry, but there is no other time I could make it
[07:58] <jenda> That's OK
[08:49] <jenda> elkbuntu: ping
[08:50] <jenda> I checked out your surveys, and I seem to have a char-encoding issue.
[09:18] <Burgwork> jenda, did you clear the -marketing queue?
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[09:19] <jenda> Burgwork: yep
[09:19] <jenda> it built up to quite a bit while I was away. Obviously, mathewrevell hasn't much time to spare - I'm not sure who the other mods are... are you?
[09:20] <Burgwork> nope
[09:21] <jenda> jane is the admin, so if you want, you can ask her.
[09:21] <jenda> In fact, I think it could use a few more mods... any volunteers?
[09:22] <jenda> poningru, nixternal, elkbuntu, ompaul... interested?
[09:22] <nixternal> for?
[09:23] <nixternal> mailing list mod?
[09:23] <ompaul> when is the meeting time?
[09:23] <jenda> yep
[09:23] <nixternal> you can add me if you would like
[09:23] <Burgwork> jenda, I emailed elmo about this, he mentioned that there were already 3 mods
[09:23] <Burgwork> ompaul, 1am your time
[09:23] <nixternal> im getting the hang of mailman with Ubuntu Chicaog and both of my LUGs
[09:23] <ompaul> I don't think I can do that - I was with the doc eariler today
[09:23] <ompaul> rest and smarties
[09:23] <Burgwork> sara@tikal26.net <-- third person
[09:24] <nixternal> sara don't even come around any more that i have seen
[09:24] <jenda> Burgwork: there are - sara vasquez (not around much anymore, prolly since _some_ people discouraged her from the Ubuntu Magazine), matthewrevell (busy) and I...
[09:25] <jenda> which makes it boil down to me most of the time, although M.R. took over very nicely when I was in Estonia.
[09:25] <ompaul> here is a crazy idea is it true that the bottom line is really to stop duplication of effort and prevent rebranding of existing projects so as to allow things grow?
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[09:26] <jenda> what do you mean, ompaul?
[09:26] <nixternal> lol
[09:27] <ompaul> jenda to get on with the work we have - and use the resources as effectively as we can
[09:27] <ompaul> we have run into several brick walls revcently
[09:27] <jenda> Is there an example of a recent rebranding which caused effort-loss?
[09:27] <ompaul> both defending where we are
[09:28] <ompaul> effortless :)
[09:28] <ompaul> looking at the whole mag thing
=== jenda actually meant 'effort loss' ;)
[09:28] <jenda> aha
[09:28] <ompaul> at the same time UWN took place
[09:28] <jenda> yes, of course
[09:28] <jenda> it was very different in the basic concept, though - more like the fridge than the UWN
[09:29] <ompaul> then if we look at people saying "marketing is this" and others saying "marketing is that"
[09:29] <ompaul> yeap but it would end up being uwn with more "features needed" and I can say from what I have seen of two UWN editions
[09:29] <ompaul> that the work to produce it is large scale
[09:30] <ompaul> sorry I need to attent to something here
[09:30] <ompaul> brb
[09:33] <ompaul> okay
[09:33] <ompaul> so what I see is that there is a lack of "pre flagging" of what people are going to do
[09:34] <ompaul> or Work being done
[09:34] <jenda> hm
[09:34] <ompaul> so it gets easy also to get into the camel situation -
[09:34] <jenda> >> solution?
[09:34] <ompaul> a horse desigend by committee
[09:34] <ompaul> sorry folks I am under pressure here to get onto something else
[09:35] <ompaul> the solution is this
[09:35] <ompaul> if someone has a new idea they should be channelled to where existing work takes place
[09:35] <jenda> yes
[09:35] <jenda> very so.
[09:35] <ompaul> then if they are finding it hard to engage it might be worth our while
[09:35] <ompaul> looking at some kind of "plug"
[09:36] <jenda> That can be solved by having an always-up-to-date list of MT projects + contact + status.
[09:36] <ompaul> and "socket" arrangelem
[09:36] <ompaul> arrangement
[09:36] <jenda> How about writing that down a bit organisedly and posting to the ML for discussion, ompaul?
[09:36] <ompaul> well right now that is not going to happen
[09:36] <ompaul> I have to run back in an hour or so
[09:37] <jenda> ok
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