| phanatic | huats: take a python soft package as an example :) | 12:09 |
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| imbrandon | ajmitch, where is the wiki page for it, i can add my ccache config | 12:12 |
| imbrandon | err pbuilder config for ccache | 12:12 |
| ajmitch | PbuilderHowto | 12:13 |
| imbrandon | beligum, basicly short version, you make the ccachedir ( change it to the correct owner for pbuilder ) and add the following lines to pbuilderrc ... | 12:13 |
| imbrandon | export CCACHE_SIZE="2G" | 12:13 |
| imbrandon | export CCACHE_DIR="/var/cache/pbuilder/ccache" | 12:13 |
| imbrandon | export PATH="/usr/lib/ccache:${PATH}" | 12:13 |
| imbrandon | EXTRAPACKAGES=ccache | 12:13 |
| imbrandon | BINDMOUNTS="${CCACHE_DIR}" | 12:13 |
| imbrandon | thats about it | 12:13 |
| beligum | nice | 12:14 |
| beligum | thanks | 12:14 |
| ajmitch | correct owner is usually 1234 | 12:14 |
| Nafallo | hmm | 12:14 |
| Nafallo | I think I mangle CC and friends aswell :-) | 12:14 |
| ajmitch | Nafallo: shouldn't need to | 12:15 |
| imbrandon | you can ( with a hook ) i've seen in some howto's but it dosent seem nessesary | 12:15 |
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| imbrandon | here is the full howto i followed to get pbuilder and ccache and distcc working nicely togather ..... http://edseek.com/~jasonb/articles/pbuilder_backports/advpbuilder.html | 12:16 |
| imbrandon | Nafallo, ajmitch, beligum ^^ | 12:16 |
| Nafallo | ooh | 12:16 |
| Nafallo | distcc... | 12:16 |
| imbrandon | distcc is more of a hack than ccache but it works | 12:16 |
| ajmitch | distcc is mainly useless since most packages need mangling to use make -j | 12:16 |
| Nafallo | maybe it's worth linking my girlfriends new computer in... ;-) | 12:16 |
| ajmitch | many don't work at all | 12:16 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch, it handles that | 12:16 |
| imbrandon | it hacks the makeopts , like i said more of a hack | 12:17 |
| hub | icescream | 12:17 |
| imbrandon | with some sed magic | 12:17 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: yes, but some packages will just fail | 12:17 |
| xopher | When duploading a package, do I, or someone need to do something for it to appear on the repo? | 12:17 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch, yea alot will actualy, thats why i stoped using it for the most part ( except kde{base,libs} | 12:17 |
| ajmitch | I've had to fix makefile.am bugginess in packages I maintain for that | 12:17 |
| imbrandon | ) | 12:17 |
| ajmitch | xopher: yes, it needs to be reviewed | 12:18 |
| ajmitch | you need to upload to REVU, and to do that you need to be in the launchpad group | 12:18 |
| ajmitch | and ask a REVU admin to sync the keyring | 12:18 |
| ajmitch | (REVU being revu.tauware.de) | 12:18 |
| xopher | ajmitch, then its cool I guess | 12:19 |
| ajmitch | xopher: has your package shown up on revu yet? | 12:19 |
| xopher | Im not uploading to revu.. | 12:19 |
| ajmitch | ok, where are you uploading to? | 12:19 |
| xopher | Im uploading to quinns compiz repository | 12:19 |
| ajmitch | I see. | 12:20 |
| ajmitch | then the question isn't so relevant :) | 12:20 |
| xopher | ;) | 12:20 |
| xopher | thanks anyway | 12:20 |
| beligum | I've some questions regarding the errors lintian gives me when compiling my dll: | 12:21 |
| beligum | shlib-with-non-pic-code | 12:21 |
| beligum | non-dev-pkg-with-shlib-symlink | 12:21 |
| beligum | no-shlibs-control-file | 12:21 |
| beligum | postinst-must-call-ldconfig | 12:21 |
| beligum | that's it | 12:21 |
| beligum | -fPIC is present though.. (using libtool) | 12:22 |
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| dallingham | Sorry for the noob-ish question, but could someone point me to the right place to seek some help on the vpnc client? I've tried ubuntuforums.org, but I almost never get a response to a question there. | 01:00 |
| crimsun | #ubuntu | 01:01 |
| sladen | dallingham: or perhaps, the upstream vpnc community directly | 01:01 |
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| dallingham | Thanks. | 01:02 |
| beligum | is using the -release linker flag, instead of -version-info seriously wrong ? | 01:09 |
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| huats_ | I am trying to build my first package using cdbs (and it is also my first package using pbuilder).... I have an error : running install_egg_info | 01:25 |
| huats_ | Writing /tmp/buildd/telepathy-irc-0.1/debian/telepathy-irc/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/telepathy_irc-0.0.0-py2.5.egg-info | 01:25 |
| huats_ | error: /tmp/buildd/telepathy-irc-0.1/debian/telepathy-irc/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/telepathy_irc-0.0.0-py2.5.egg-info: No such file or directory | 01:25 |
| huats_ | does anybody has an idea, what I an do about it ? | 01:25 |
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| TheMuso | imbrandon: Congrats on main upload rights. | 02:07 |
| Fujitsu | Wow. Congratulations, imbrandon :) | 02:07 |
| imbrandon | Fujitsu, TheMuso thanks ;) | 02:10 |
| TheMuso | Welcome. | 02:10 |
| TheMuso | That was quick. | 02:10 |
| imbrandon | hehe ;) | 02:10 |
| imbrandon | not the interview though ( 1+ hour ) | 02:10 |
| imbrandon | lol | 02:10 |
| TheMuso | I'll bet you were put on the spot. | 02:10 |
| imbrandon | hehe a bit, not REAL bad, no more than was expected actualy | 02:11 |
| imbrandon | but i was still nervious | 02:11 |
| TheMuso | imbrandon: YOu going to the next dev summit? | 02:11 |
| TheMuso | I'll bet. | 02:11 |
| imbrandon | yea , rumors it will be in SF ( west coast usa ) | 02:11 |
| TheMuso | Its already been announced. | 02:11 |
| imbrandon | but not confirmed etc etc etc | 02:11 |
| imbrandon | oh it has ? | 02:12 |
| imbrandon | wow i missed that | 02:12 |
| imbrandon | heh | 02:12 |
| TheMuso | -dev-announce | 02:12 |
| Fujitsu | Mountain View. | 02:12 |
| imbrandon | home on google ;) | 02:12 |
| imbrandon | s/on/of | 02:12 |
| crimsun | well, it will be at google hq, so... | 02:12 |
| zul | 02:13 | |
| imbrandon | yea i will probably get to make it this time ( but OTOH i just applied at a company in EU and its looking good so far so who knows i might have to fly back "home" sooner than expected ) | 02:13 |
| TheMuso | Good luck with that | 02:13 |
| zul | imbrandon: congrats btw | 02:14 |
| imbrandon | zul, thanks | 02:14 |
| imbrandon | ok food time brb ( more cheesy noodles ) | 02:15 |
| imbrandon | actualy then i think i'm gonna take a nap, see yall in a few hours | 02:15 |
| imbrandon | been a long day heheh | 02:15 |
| TheMuso | cya | 02:15 |
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| imbrandon | hrm it seems i'm not on the devel announce list, figures i'm on all the others | 02:15 |
| Fujitsu | The entire meeting was devoted to that promotion. That's quite impressive :)_ | 02:17 |
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| Fujitsu | Are any syncs going to be processed at any point? | 02:30 |
| Fujitsu | It's been ages since any have been done... | 02:31 |
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| bddebian | Heya gang | 02:36 |
| Fujitsu | Hey. | 02:37 |
| bddebian | Howdy Fujitsu | 02:39 |
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| imbrandon | gnight all | 02:47 |
| Fujitsu | Bye, main-capable imbrandon :)_ | 02:47 |
| Fujitsu | *:) | 02:47 |
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| Hobbsee | hey all | 03:04 |
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| zul | hey Hobbsee | 03:05 |
| bddebian | Hi Hobbsee | 03:05 |
| Hobbsee | hey zul, bddebian :) | 03:05 |
| bluefoxicy | patch released #99855: fix for the Lorena Bobbit Virus | 03:07 |
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| bluefoxicy | Corrects issue allowing malicious code to resize hard drive to the size of a 3.5 inch floppy | 03:07 |
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| Hobbsee | oh cool, they announced the summit stuff | 03:14 |
| ajmitch | Hobbsee: yep | 03:15 |
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| ajmitch | hopefully I can just drop the knot 3 iso onto this usb stick once released, and have a fully working system | 03:17 |
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| Toadstool | heya everybody | 05:35 |
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| Fujitsu | Hi Toadstool. | 05:48 |
| Toadstool | hey Fujitsu | 05:53 |
| Toadstool | er, got to go :/ | 05:53 |
| Fujitsu | Bye. | 05:55 |
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| amachu | hi every one | 06:43 |
| amachu | am new to MOTU | 06:43 |
| amachu | need a mentor and guidance | 06:43 |
| amachu | #join drupal-india | 06:44 |
| LaserJock | amachu: you might want to take a look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Mentors | 06:52 |
| LaserJock | and the Ubuntu Packaging Guide | 06:53 |
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| dholbach | HAPPY HUG DAY! | 09:08 |
| === zakame hugs dholbach | ||
| jsgotangco | yay | 09:09 |
| dholbach | hey zakame | 09:09 |
| dholbach | imbrandon: congratulations! | 09:18 |
| zakame | imbrandon: congrats fresh core-dev! :D | 09:22 |
| superm1 | So considering I've got my packages up at REVU for myththemes and myth-tv, what kind of bribes or asking are needed to get a MOTU to look at them? ;) | 09:23 |
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| Plug | Is mythplugins there also? | 09:34 |
| Plug | or are you talking source packages? | 09:34 |
| Plug | (I thought there were three) | 09:34 |
| superm1 | mythplugins won't be up until christian finishes his. I have one I personally assembled, but I think I'm better off sticking with his since everything else is syncing to him | 09:41 |
| superm1 | but the themes and the main mythtv source packages are both up | 09:42 |
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| Plug | right | 09:42 |
| superm1 | so is it jumping the gun to get someone to look at this at least until the plugins are finished up? | 09:43 |
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| seaLne | which part of dh_install deals with .install files? | 10:09 |
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| Fujitsu | The entirety of it, seaLne? | 10:10 |
| seaLne | hm | 10:10 |
| seaLne | without .install files i get no errors but also no files, with them dh_install -s fails trying to cp the files | 10:10 |
| seaLne | dh_install -s | 10:13 |
| seaLne | cp: cannot stat `.//usr/bin/aimage': No such file or directory | 10:13 |
| seaLne | dh_install: command returned error code 256 | 10:13 |
| seaLne | seems like it is looking in the wrong place? | 10:13 |
| seaLne | the files are in debian/tmp | 10:18 |
| seaLne | any suggestions? | 10:18 |
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| xerxas | Hi everyone | 10:29 |
| xerxas | If there is an ITP for a debian package, can I try to package it for ubuntu ? | 10:30 |
| dholbach | xerxas: sure, we "don't care" about ITPs | 10:31 |
| xerxas | ok | 10:31 |
| dholbach | it's just good if you work together with the debian maintainer and merge with him | 10:31 |
| xerxas | dholbach, I want to try to package tangerine, a daap server written in mono | 10:31 |
| seaLne | if it was only recently filed it might be nice to wait abit? | 10:31 |
| xerxas | I have not find any package of it | 10:31 |
| xerxas | http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/being_packaged.en.html says it's being packaged for 108 days | 10:32 |
| shawarma | seaLne: Add debian/tmp to your paths.. | 10:32 |
| zakame | you ping the ITPer | 10:32 |
| xerxas | do I have to take care of some special stuff for mono programs ? | 10:32 |
| shawarma | seaLne: See the dh_install man page. | 10:32 |
| xerxas | add some dependency ... ? | 10:32 |
| seaLne | shawarma: /me looks thanks | 10:32 |
| xerxas | Package: wnpp; Maintainer for wnpp is wnpp@debian.org. | 10:33 |
| xerxas | Reported by: Lennart Poettering <mzqrooht@0pointer.de>; Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 16:33:11 UTC. | 10:33 |
| xerxas | Owned by: Jack Bates <ms419@freezone.co.uk>. | 10:33 |
| xerxas | who should I ping ? | 10:33 |
| xerxas | Lennart ? or Jack Bates ? | 10:33 |
| xerxas | Reported by is the RFP ? | 10:33 |
| xerxas | Jack Bates have done the ITP ? | 10:33 |
| slomo_ | xerxas: tangerine is already packaged and uploaded to debian | 10:37 |
| slomo_ | xerxas: if that's the one you mean... tseng did it | 10:37 |
| xerxas | slomo_, ok | 10:37 |
| xerxas | it's not in ubuntu though | 10:38 |
| xerxas | right ? | 10:38 |
| xerxas | not in edgy | 10:38 |
| slomo_ | will be synced once it's from NEW in debian | 10:38 |
| zakame | xerxas: both | 10:38 |
| xerxas | ok | 10:38 |
| xerxas | zakame, both what ? | 10:38 |
| zakame | I mean ping obth to see what's up | 10:38 |
| zakame | *both | 10:38 |
| xerxas | zakame, ok | 10:38 |
| zakame | sticky keyb | 10:38 |
| xerxas | whatever, I don't need to apprently | 10:38 |
| xerxas | as tangerine will come soon in edgy | 10:38 |
| zakame | ah, well | 10:39 |
| seaLne | shawarma: sorry i'm still a bit confused afflib.install has lines like /usr/bin/aimage which is what i see in other packages, is that not correct? | 10:42 |
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| shawarma | seaLne: No. Prepend debian/tmp | 10:43 |
| shawarma | seaLne: In which package have you seen absolute paths in a .install file? | 10:44 |
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| seaLne | hmm | 10:46 |
| seaLne | ok it looks like i was mis remembering | 10:47 |
| seaLne | shawarma: thanks, i guess my memory is broken | 10:50 |
| seaLne | if upstream includes word docs is it ok to install then in the doc dir? | 10:51 |
| seaLne | it feels wrong but the info they have is quite usefull | 10:52 |
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| seaLne | would buildeping on antiword and converting them be bad? | 11:07 |
| Fujitsu | Probably... | 11:08 |
| seaLne | Fujitsu: so just ignore them? | 11:09 |
| Fujitsu | I think so. | 11:09 |
| seaLne | k | 11:09 |
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| Mithrandir | what's William Alexander Grant's IRC nick? | 11:24 |
| Lathiat | 'fujitsu' i think | 11:25 |
| Mithrandir | Fujitsu: hi, saw your toursst upload. The version number you used there seems to be wrong. | 11:26 |
| Fujitsu | Mithrandir, hi.. No, it's right. | 11:26 |
| Fujitsu | It needs to be that. | 11:26 |
| Fujitsu | As 0.0.3ubuntu1 > 0.0.3-0.1. | 11:26 |
| Fujitsu | It was discussed here. | 11:27 |
| Mithrandir | 0.0.3ubuntu1 < 0.0.3-1, though | 11:27 |
| Lathiat | but then you eat into the debian version? | 11:27 |
| Fujitsu | Is it? | 11:27 |
| Mithrandir | uh, sorry, 0.0.3ubuntu1 > 0.0.3-1 | 11:28 |
| Mithrandir | which means we can't ever sync 0.0.3 versions again. | 11:28 |
| Fujitsu | Mithrandir, that's what happens when Debian adds a -0.1. There was no other way. | 11:28 |
| Lathiat | oh, i get it, hrm | 11:29 |
| Mithrandir | Fujitsu: what's wrong with 0.0.3-0.1ubuntu1 ? | 11:29 |
| Fujitsu | Isn't 0.0.3ubuntu1 > 0.0.3-0.1ubuntu1? | 11:29 |
| Mithrandir | yes, and? | 11:30 |
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| Fujitsu | 0.0.3ubuntu1 already existed. | 11:30 |
| Fujitsu | So 0.0.3-0.1ubuntu1 would have been less than the existing version. | 11:30 |
| Mithrandir | oh, true. | 11:30 |
| Fujitsu | Debian had a native package, then made a non-native-NMU. | 11:30 |
| Fujitsu | It's the same with carpaltunnel. | 11:30 |
| Fujitsu | (also mine) | 11:31 |
| Fujitsu | It should have been 0.0.3.1 when Debian uploaded it, not 0.0.3-0.1. | 11:31 |
| Mithrandir | you should note that in the changelog, though. "NMU version means a merge is required" isn't very self-explanatory. | 11:31 |
| Mithrandir | no, it shouldn't. Version numbering of native packages is undefined. | 11:31 |
| Fujitsu | That's pretty silly... | 11:32 |
| Fujitsu | But yes, the changelog could probably have been more verbose. | 11:32 |
| Fujitsu | Sorry. | 11:32 |
| Mithrandir | *shrug*; native packages should be rare anyway. | 11:32 |
| Hobbsee | Mithrandir: "screwed versioning" also works. | 11:32 |
| Hobbsee | Mithrandir: or "fake-syncing due to bad versioning. no ubuntu changes" | 11:32 |
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| Fujitsu | Shouldn't there be a policy regarding NMUs on native packages? | 11:34 |
| Mithrandir | Fujitsu: maybe | 11:34 |
| Mithrandir | but there isn't. | 11:34 |
| thom | Fujitsu: "don't screw up your numbering"? | 11:34 |
| Hobbsee | thom: yeah, well. if we shot those who screwed it in the first place.... | 11:35 |
| Fujitsu | thom, haha. | 11:35 |
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| Fujitsu | I hoped I hadn't made a nasty mistake >_< | 11:35 |
| seaLne | does help2man create strangely formated manpages? | 11:39 |
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| Fujitsu | seaLne, check? | 11:42 |
| seaLne | well they look a bit weird | 11:42 |
| Fujitsu | Probably, then. | 11:42 |
| seaLne | :) | 11:43 |
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| Fujitsu | Anything using CDBS' kde.mk doesn't need dh_iconcache explicitly, right? | 12:54 |
| seaLne | anyone know what the correct way to deal with point 6 in /usr/share/doc/libssl-dev/copyright for a package using ssl copyright file? | 01:00 |
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| dholbach | Fujitsu: yes | 01:26 |
| dholbach | Fujitsu: if it's not a custom cdbs in debian/ | 01:26 |
| Fujitsu | dholbach, I thought so, after reading kde.mk. | 01:26 |
| Fujitsu | Thanks :) | 01:26 |
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| siretart | Hobbsee: you pinged me some time ago about xine | 02:03 |
| siretart | Hobbsee: I finally managed to remerge the debian package, which should contain some lp bugs. are you interested to test/review my branch? | 02:04 |
| siretart | I still don't have internet at home, so I can only access an quite outdated edgy mirror | 02:04 |
| Hobbsee | siretart: heya. yes. | 02:04 |
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| siretart | Hobbsee: https://launchpad.net/people/siretart/+branch/xine-lib/xine-lib.ubuntu-main+repacked1.1.1.2 | 02:06 |
| siretart | Hobbsee: it contains a debian/rules rule for creating the orig.tar.gz | 02:06 |
| Hobbsee | siretart: cool. i'm not sure i'd find much use for it though - i'm not the one who gets most of the bugs. | 02:06 |
| siretart | Hobbsee: yes, xine-lib has a lot of strange bugs. the debian bts is also full of it, and I spend weeks with triaging them. thats why I wasn't too active in ubuntu land lately | 02:07 |
| Hobbsee | siretart: fair enough | 02:07 |
| === Hobbsee gets her touchpad in semi working order, thanks to StevenK | ||
| siretart | Hobbsee: all my work on the debian side is in that branch. so I'd be really happy if we could base further work on that branch | 02:07 |
| tseng | StevenK: stop touching her pad | 02:07 |
| tseng | or something | 02:07 |
| === StevenK pleads innocence. | ||
| siretart | hrhr | 02:08 |
| === Hobbsee smacks tseng | ||
| tseng | :( | 02:08 |
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| Hobbsee | siretart: it's your choice, i expect? | 02:08 |
| siretart | Hobbsee: err, what choice? | 02:08 |
| Hobbsee | siretart: ie, it'd be your choice to make your changes in debian, then just keep syncing to ubuntu? | 02:09 |
| Hobbsee | if you're the debian maintainer, of course | 02:09 |
| siretart | Hobbsee: I do maintain xine-lib in debian. siggi (the man in the maintainer field) is pretty mia | 02:09 |
| StevenK | Hah. Pretty MIA | 02:10 |
| StevenK | Siggi grabbed xine and co and then basically dropped off the net | 02:10 |
| ajmitch | hi | 02:10 |
| === StevenK waves to ajmitch | ||
| siretart | Hobbsee: we cannot just sync xine from debian, because we need to strip off ffmpeg, libfaad and libmad from the package, which is a real PITA | 02:10 |
| siretart | StevenK: you know siggi? | 02:10 |
| Hobbsee | ahhh... | 02:10 |
| StevenK | siretart: Spoken to him a few times | 02:10 |
| === siretart waves to ajmitch as well | ||
| Hobbsee | hey ajmitch | 02:10 |
| StevenK | siretart: As Hobbsee had found out, I know most of the active DDs | 02:11 |
| StevenK | s/had/has/ | 02:11 |
| siretart | StevenK: he answered one or two bugmails in the last 6 months, so he seems to be somewhat reachable via email | 02:11 |
| siretart | StevenK: but he hasn't uploaded anything the last 3 or 4 years (!) | 02:11 |
| StevenK | Muaha | 02:12 |
| StevenK | Sounds like him | 02:12 |
| siretart | and xine-lib was in a really bad shape. so I started to work on that | 02:12 |
| siretart | now I'm waiting for DAM approval. I think if I don't see any serious activity from him until then, I'll point the maintainer field to my @debian.org adress (if I become approved, that is) | 02:13 |
| === StevenK tries to resist the temptation to show siretart his NM page | ||
| siretart | StevenK: GRRR! :) | 02:17 |
| StevenK | siretart: You saw it? | 02:18 |
| siretart | StevenK: how much did you need to pay? ;) | 02:18 |
| StevenK | Hah! Nothing. | 02:18 |
| StevenK | I spoke to elmo about it, it was basically luck on my part. | 02:18 |
| siretart | one week from application to account creation isn't too bad :) | 02:18 |
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| StevenK | I had joeyh as my advocate and tbm as my AM, and I managed to hit DAM approval a few days before elmo went and created accounts for a few people. | 02:19 |
| siretart | currently Ganneff seems to be very busy with NEW, cdrkit and other duties to review some NMs.. | 02:20 |
| StevenK | Hah, back in my day, Ganneff wasn't even a DD. | 02:21 |
| === StevenK chuckles | ||
| siretart | Hobbsee: I've just noticed that I missed a build dependency on libdts. please pull your branch | 02:21 |
| Hobbsee | siretart: i havent touched it yet, i've been dealing with a rogue touchpad | 02:22 |
| Mithrandir | StevenK: you're one of the people who actually got an advocate. Some of us even predate that. | 02:22 |
| StevenK | Mithrandir: Hush | 02:22 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 02:22 |
| siretart | StevenK: I have the impression that elmo doesn't look at the NMs any longer, but relies on Ganneff's review, and only creates accounts in a batch. | 02:22 |
| StevenK | Mithrandir: Herbert even pre-dated NM | 02:23 |
| StevenK | siretart: I suspect so. | 02:23 |
| siretart | my impression may be wrong of course. but as NM you don't see behind the curtains.. | 02:23 |
| siretart | Hobbsee: ah, ok | 02:23 |
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| Hobbsee | realist: not everyone can upload | 02:34 |
| Hobbsee | only masters of the universe, and core devs, can upload to the universe. | 02:35 |
| Hobbsee | anyone else needs to get sponsored by someone in one of the above two teams | 02:35 |
| siretart | Hobbsee: -ECHAN ;) | 02:35 |
| Hobbsee | siretart: hmm? | 02:35 |
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| Fujitsu | Hobbsee, that was in #-devel. | 02:36 |
| Fujitsu | Ah. | 02:36 |
| siretart | ah | 02:36 |
| siretart | never mind | 02:36 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: yes, i then said "lets' take this to -motu" | 02:36 |
| Hobbsee | :P | 02:36 |
| realist | I still don't follow the QA procedures then | 02:36 |
| Fujitsu | Hobbsee, hence the `Ah.' | 02:36 |
| Hobbsee | realist: well, people like Fujitsu cant upload - they can write patches, etc, and we can look at them and upload them if they're good, or reject them if they're bad. | 02:36 |
| Fujitsu | realist, if anybody could upload to universe, my current tasks would be done a whole lot more quickly :) | 02:36 |
| realist | Once someone becomes a MOTU, they can modify any code, package it, and upload? | 02:37 |
| Hobbsee | realist: well, yes. within universe | 02:37 |
| Fujitsu | realist, in universe, not main or restricted. | 02:37 |
| siretart | Fujitsu: + multiverse | 02:37 |
| Hobbsee | realist: it's not easy to get MOTU though | 02:37 |
| Fujitsu | siretart, true. | 02:37 |
| Hobbsee | siretart: oh we can get to multiverse as well can we? cool | 02:37 |
| siretart | sure. universe and multiverse share upload permissions | 02:37 |
| Hobbsee | realist: and most people who get MOTU wont screw up | 02:37 |
| realist | So how many MOTU are looking after how many packages I wonder? | 02:37 |
| Hobbsee | ah right | 02:37 |
| Fujitsu | Hobbsee, it is fortunately not easy. Or universe would be full of crap, and I'd be a MOTU :P | 02:37 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: hehe | 02:38 |
| realist | How can _every_ MOTU, be familiar with the codebase of _every_ package? | 02:38 |
| Fujitsu | realist, they're not. | 02:38 |
| Hobbsee | they're not | 02:38 |
| Hobbsee | so most of the time they only modify what they know | 02:38 |
| realist | Precisely | 02:38 |
| siretart | realist: see the -changes list for an impression who touches what package. | 02:38 |
| ogra | realist, https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-dev says we have 53 motus | 02:38 |
| Fujitsu | For example, Hobbsee touches k.* | 02:38 |
| siretart | realist: in theory, everyone can touch almost every package, but in practice everyone has his 'pet' packages | 02:38 |
| siretart | realist: and the whole universe wouldn't work if we hadn't many reliable mantainers of the packages in debian | 02:39 |
| realist | So for example, if someone who _wrote_ the upstream codebase, and was packaging .debs, would you check their code before you merged their changes to universe? | 02:39 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: i touch some gnome stuff too - but am very careful, as i dont know that codebase - so do packaging-specific simple stuff, but that'sa bout it | 02:39 |
| Fujitsu | Yeah. | 02:39 |
| Hobbsee | realist: of course. unless they were a MOTU as well, of course | 02:39 |
| AnAnt | what is k.* | 02:39 |
| Hobbsee | or a DD, where we'd sync/merge their package from debian | 02:39 |
| Fujitsu | AnAnt, anything starting with k. | 02:39 |
| Hobbsee | AnAnt: kubuntu related stuff. | 02:39 |
| AnAnt | Hobbsee: does that include kchmviewer ? | 02:40 |
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| Hobbsee | AnAnt: i've uploaded that before, yeah | 02:40 |
| realist | ogra: that seems a suprisingly small amount of developers | 02:40 |
| Hobbsee | i think | 02:40 |
| AnAnt | Hobbsee: ok cool, it is archived now, awaiting upload I think, can u do that ? | 02:40 |
| realist | Hobbsee: I was thinking more along the lines of a DD | 02:40 |
| Hobbsee | AnAnt: it's on REVU? | 02:40 |
| ogra | realist, it is ... thats why we need to be careful about ubuntu specific changes | 02:40 |
| realist | I'm currently debating where to invest my time | 02:40 |
| Hobbsee | must have been something else i updated then. | 02:41 |
| AnAnt | Hobbsee: yeah, for a week or 2 now | 02:41 |
| realist | Weather to maintain Debian, or Ubuntu | 02:41 |
| AnAnt | Hobbsee: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3003 | 02:41 |
| AnAnt | Hobbsee: it's 2.6 | 02:41 |
| siretart | realist: what packages to you maintain? | 02:41 |
| AnAnt | Hobbsee: last thing you done (as far as I know) was 2.5 | 02:42 |
| ogra | realist, but the freedom you hve in ubuntu vs debian is unpayable if you want to implement features that require you touching more than one package ... | 02:42 |
| realist | Personally, I like the Ubuntu philosphy | 02:42 |
| Hobbsee | AnAnt: i'd guess that's sittign in NEW | 02:42 |
| Fujitsu | Hobbsee, it is. | 02:42 |
| AnAnt | Hobbsee: well, it got 2 advocates, and I don't understand yet what *NEW* means | 02:42 |
| Nafallo | some, like siretart and slomo, maintains both debian and ubuntu :-) | 02:42 |
| realist | ogra, siretart; my focus is on security patches | 02:42 |
| Hobbsee | AnAnt: means it's sitting on https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+queue and no admin has done anything about it yet. | 02:43 |
| Hobbsee | AnAnt: things take AGES to get thru NEW, usually. | 02:43 |
| zul | Hobbsee: or if you ask nicely | 02:43 |
| Fujitsu | Yeah, unfortunately. | 02:43 |
| Nafallo | security is another deal, that has to go throw a mailing-list with reviewers :-) | 02:43 |
| realist | siretart: I'm not maintaining any packages (publicly) at this stage | 02:43 |
| Hobbsee | zul: or that :P | 02:43 |
| zul | Hobbsee: begging and pleading also works | 02:43 |
| frandavid100 | could someone take a look at those packages and maybe upload them to revu? http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=15423&d=1157626360 http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=15424&d=1157626430 | 02:43 |
| AnAnt | Hobbsee: meaning that u r not admin ? | 02:44 |
| realist | Nafallo: I would eventually like to be on the review panel | 02:44 |
| siretart | realist: there are security teams on both debian and ubuntu. I don't know how much they work together, but I could imagine it would be a good idea | 02:44 |
| Hobbsee | AnAnt: indeed. | 02:44 |
| Hobbsee | zul: hehe, true | 02:44 |
| AnAnt | Hobbsee: i see | 02:44 |
| Fujitsu | AnAnt, there are only 4. | 02:44 |
| AnAnt | oh | 02:44 |
| realist | siretart: I would like to help facilitate that | 02:45 |
| Nafallo | realist: pitti should be who to talk to about security, he is after all the security manager for ubuntu :-) | 02:45 |
| AnAnt | but I can't see it in that queue URL | 02:45 |
| Fujitsu | AnAnt, it's there. | 02:45 |
| Fujitsu | Filter by kchmviewer. | 02:45 |
| Fujitsu | Ooh. | 02:46 |
| Fujitsu | It's not there anymore. | 02:46 |
| realist | Nafallo: hence why I initially brought the topic up in -devel, rather than here | 02:46 |
| Nafallo | :-) | 02:47 |
| Hobbsee | frandavid100: cclcfox has no man page. | 02:47 |
| Hobbsee | realist: feel free to take it back there | 02:47 |
| Fujitsu | Ooh. | 02:47 |
| frandavid100 | that means it can't be uploaded? | 02:47 |
| Nafallo | realist: if you would have said your main area where security he would probably have jumped right at you ;-) | 02:47 |
| Fujitsu | Anyone feel like looking at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3084? | 02:47 |
| realist | Nafallo: how do you mean, "jumped right at you"? | 02:48 |
| realist | Basically I'm watching vulnerability reports like a hawk, and often patch my code before a fixed package has been released | 02:49 |
| Nafallo | realist: ehrm, would probably have started talking to you right away :-). | 02:49 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: looks good to me | 02:49 |
| Nafallo | if he's not busy with something that is... | 02:49 |
| realist | That's okay, I'll send them an e-mail when I'm more organised | 02:50 |
| Nafallo | nice :-). | 02:50 |
| Fujitsu | Thankyou, Hobbsee :) | 02:50 |
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| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: were you going to implement bddebian's request? | 02:50 |
| Nafallo | realist: you probably want to sign up with security-review@lists.ubuntu.com at some point :-) | 02:50 |
| Fujitsu | Hobbsee, should they actually be in -data? | 02:51 |
| realist | Nafallo: I probably already am | 02:51 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: i dont know. i would suspect so, if bddebian's mentoined it | 02:51 |
| realist | Actually, no - it's security-announce | 02:51 |
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| Nafallo | realist: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityUpdateProcedures is good reading as well :-) | 02:53 |
| realist | I should also contact Martin and Moritz from Debian | 02:53 |
| realist | I'm sure Martin Pitt is already in contact with them | 02:54 |
| realist | (Not entirely sure on the status of Debian/Ubuntu collaboration) | 02:54 |
| realist | Presumption on my behalf that for security fixes, it would be active | 02:54 |
| realist | Hobbsee, Nafallo; thanks for your direction. | 02:55 |
| Nafallo | np | 02:56 |
| siretart | realist: pitti is IIRC also a member of the debian security team. at least he was a candidate for that | 02:56 |
| Nafallo | I think he forwards patches after fixing them in Ubuntu at the very least. | 02:56 |
| siretart | realist: I think you should ask him directly | 02:56 |
| realist | siretart: don't worry, I intend to | 02:57 |
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| Amaranth | Whoa, that went up fast. My launchpad karma is 220655 | 03:07 |
| Amaranth | haha, seb128 has 9 million | 03:08 |
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| VolkA | hi | 03:20 |
| Fujitsu | Hi, VolkA. | 03:21 |
| VolkA | i have a question regarding the "zeroc-ice" packages. they are version 3.0.1 in edgy, in debian etch there are already 3.1 packages. could someone tell me if they are gone to be included in the edgy release? | 03:22 |
| VolkA | (i'm trying to decide wether to install a server with edgy or etch) | 03:23 |
| realist | VolkA: edgy is frozen AFAIK | 03:24 |
| ajmitch | universe isn't frozen yet | 03:25 |
| ajmitch | so there's still a chance | 03:25 |
| ajmitch | they have to be manually synced (or merged) though | 03:25 |
| === ajmitch will let another motu followup on that | ||
| ajmitch | I'm off ot bed | 03:26 |
| ajmitch | s/ot/to/ | 03:26 |
| VolkA | cool ... | 03:26 |
| Hobbsee | night ajmitch | 03:26 |
| VolkA | is there something i can do to help? | 03:26 |
| VolkA | good night | 03:26 |
| realist | Feel free to build, package, and test it | 03:26 |
| realist | Then pester an MOTU :-) | 03:27 |
| VolkA | ok, i'm going to upgrade to edgy and see if the packages from debian work ... | 03:27 |
| VolkA | i think the 3.0.1 packages are also just copied from debian | 03:28 |
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| Nafallo | yepp, lookes like it... | 03:29 |
| realist | VolkA: you might just want to try it from an edgy chroot | 03:33 |
| realist | Should only take 10 mins to set one up, rather than upgrading your entire existing set-up | 03:33 |
| VolkA | yep, but i wantet to try edgy anyway :-) | 03:34 |
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| xopher | Can I build edgy packages using dapper if mu pbuilder chroot image is using edgy repos? (Just making sure ) | 04:03 |
| geser | yes | 04:03 |
| realist | Isn't that the whole idea? | 04:05 |
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| Adri2000 | nobody available to check a package on revu ? | 04:16 |
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| hub | Adri2000: which one | 04:29 |
| Adri2000 | hub: djplay : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3071 | 04:30 |
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| Adri2000 | hub: thank you for the review ! | 04:38 |
| Adri2000 | i know the problem of the big diff.gz, but i don't know what is the best way to fix it | 04:40 |
| jonh_wendell | Hi folks. Is there any change of a package at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Documentation be part of edgy? | 04:41 |
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| Nafallo | :-O | 04:47 |
| Nafallo | what a big tree :-P | 04:47 |
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| beligum | Hi all, I have a problem when doing a sudo pbuilder build mylib.dsc : | 05:00 |
| beligum | Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info. | 05:00 |
| beligum | is this bad, or should I ignore it? | 05:02 |
| trappist | beligum: can you sudo anything else? | 05:03 |
| beligum | yep | 05:03 |
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| siretart | is universe frozen as well? | 05:42 |
| ogra | siretart, in sept 28th afaik ... | 05:43 |
| ogra | the schedule should tell you | 05:43 |
| Nafallo | maybe the whole publisher is frozen atm? | 05:44 |
| siretart | ogra: I've just uploaded libdts to edgy, got the accepted mail, but it didn't appear yet on edgy-changes (as opposed to whats in that accepted mail) | 05:45 |
| ogra | i have the same prob with edubuntu-meta it seems | 05:46 |
| ogra | siretart, see -devel | 05:47 |
| VolkA | re | 05:51 |
| VolkA | i just tested the new zeroc ice 3.1 packages from debian - they work fine - is there a chance they will be included? | 05:52 |
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| VolkA | is there someone i could ask for it, or mail info on the packages i tested? | 05:57 |
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| Nafallo | VolkA: have people here answer now would be better ;-) | 06:00 |
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| VolkA | yes - so i have upgraded to the current edgy and installed all packages and dependencies from the metapackage zeroc-ice_3.1.0-2_all.deb | 06:05 |
| VolkA | i had to fix the python first to get ice-python to install, but the packages themselves seam to work just fine | 06:06 |
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| bddebian | Heya gang | 06:07 |
| Nafallo | bddebian: hi! now help VolkA request a sync of zeroc-ice :-) | 06:08 |
| bddebian | Hello Nafallo | 06:09 |
| Nafallo | :-) | 06:10 |
| VolkA | ok, i'll post again ... | 06:11 |
| VolkA | <VolkA> yes - so i have upgraded to the current edgy and installed all packages and dependencies from the metapackage zeroc-ice_3.1.0-2_all.deb | 06:11 |
| VolkA | <VolkA> i had to fix the python first to get ice-python to install, but the packages themselves seam to work just fine | 06:11 |
| VolkA | the zeroc-ice from etch ... | 06:11 |
| Nafallo | bddebian: I have no idea of the current procedures in doing syncs from Debian, so if you would like to tell us, that would be great :-) | 06:12 |
| bddebian | zeroc-ice-python is on the merges list | 06:12 |
| VolkA | yes, it depends on python2.3, which seams to be broken at the moment | 06:12 |
| Nafallo | why is it there? right not it's a build1 in edgy :-) | 06:13 |
| Nafallo | and zeroc-ice is a plain sync atm. no ubuntu or build what so ever :-) | 06:13 |
| bddebian | Why can't zeroc-ice-python be a sync now? | 06:14 |
| Nafallo | but then again... | 06:15 |
| Nafallo | my devel-system is still without power :-/ | 06:15 |
| bddebian | Can we still request syncs? | 06:17 |
| Nafallo | I have no idea :-) | 06:17 |
| Nafallo | I would guess, since the UUVF still haven't gone into action. or has it? | 06:17 |
| bddebian | Not sure | 06:18 |
| bddebian | Hah, I'm not on the Top Contributors list anymore.. :-) | 06:18 |
| bddebian | Hmm, can't meet build dep for slice2py. Trying to update my pbuilder now.. | 06:20 |
| bddebian | Nafallo / VolkA: We need a newer version of slice2py in Edgy it appears | 06:23 |
| VolkA | why, where's the error? | 06:23 |
| bddebian | Pbuilding zeroc-ice-python | 06:25 |
| bddebian | -> Considering slice2py (>= 3.1.0) | 06:25 |
| bddebian | Tried versions: 3.0.1-4 | 06:25 |
| bddebian | -> Does not satisfy version, not trying | 06:25 |
| bddebian | E: Could not satisfy build-dependency. | 06:25 |
| bddebian | E: pbuilder-satisfydepends failed. | 06:25 |
| VolkA | hm, the etch package is slice2py_3.1.0-2_i386.deb | 06:26 |
| VolkA | seams to work | 06:27 |
| bddebian | Not according to packages.ubuntu.com | 06:27 |
| bddebian | Hmm | 06:27 |
| VolkA | would a complete list of packages i copied from the etch repository help? | 06:28 |
| bddebian | Are you running Edgy currently? | 06:28 |
| VolkA | ye | 06:28 |
| VolkA | s | 06:28 |
| bddebian | What does apt-cache madison slice2py yeild? | 06:28 |
| VolkA | just updated, and then installed the ice packages | 06:29 |
| VolkA | slice2py | 3.0.1-4 | http://de.archive.ubuntu.com edgy/universe Packages | 06:29 |
| VolkA | zeroc-ice | 3.0.1-4 | http://de.archive.ubuntu.com edgy/universe Sources | 06:29 |
| bddebian | Exactly | 06:30 |
| VolkA | but i didn't use apt for ice - just downloaded the debs and used dpkg -i to see if it works | 06:30 |
| bddebian | Downloaded from where? | 06:30 |
| Nafallo | apt-cache policy would have been better then :-P | 06:30 |
| VolkA | packages.debian.org | 06:30 |
| bddebian | Gah | 06:30 |
| VolkA | :-) i think so, but i didn't know how to do it - so this was fast and seamed to work :-) | 06:31 |
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| bddebian | OK, I'm trying to build zeroc-ice source package from Debian now, give me a few | 06:34 |
| Nafallo | the proper way would have involved a local repo and rebuilding everything you dpkg -i'd :-) | 06:35 |
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| VolkA | ok ;-) | 06:35 |
| beligum | I changed my uid for my GPG key (deleted the comment), but now I can't upload to REVU anymore, can somenbody help me? | 06:36 |
| sladen | beligum: siretart ^^ | 06:39 |
| beligum | hmm, he's not here | 06:40 |
| beligum | Can I try something else, like deleting and re-uploading my key ? | 06:40 |
| sladen | beligum: no, but he does have scrollback | 06:40 |
| sladen | beligum: you should be able to change UIDs fine. An upload will just recombine it with the existing key | 06:41 |
| sladen | beligum: you'll need to revoke it | 06:41 |
| beligum | sladen: I revoked it, but then deleted it | 06:42 |
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| beligum | (have a backup though) | 06:42 |
| beligum | Problem is, when I upload to revu, I immediately get an email: Signer has no upload rights at all to this distribution. | 06:43 |
| beligum | Excuse my impatience, I'll wait for siretart | 06:44 |
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| sladen | siretart: is REVU incorrectly using a uid, rather than the key-id to authorise uploads? | 06:52 |
| sladen | siretart: that might explain why it was failing on my key aswell (where the registered uid is /not/ the first one) | 06:52 |
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| mr_pouit | sladen, but I think you can specify one per default when you edit your key (i don't remember exactly how ^^) | 06:54 |
| sladen | mr_pouit: since GPG 2.8.something, you can | 06:55 |
| mr_pouit | ah, ok | 06:57 |
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| AnAnt | bddebian: hide | 07:05 |
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| AnAnt | bddebian: you got any idea how to fix that manpage problem ? | 07:06 |
| AnAnt | bddebian: and what did you mean by "Is the header in debian/copyright enough?" | 07:07 |
| bddebian | AnAnt: I was poking through the manpage yesterday and it seems that most of them are just that the lines are too long. If you do man -l ./foo.5 it will tell you what lines fail and you can just move part of the line to the next line | 07:07 |
| bddebian | AnAnt: It doesn't have the FSF address and stuff in there. I don't know if it's required, I don't do licenses stuff | 07:07 |
| AnAnt | bddebian: what *stuff* ? | 07:08 |
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| bddebian | AnAnt: Look at the header on this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Reviewing?action=show&redirect=MOTUReviewingGuide | 07:10 |
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| bddebian | Damn this freakin' zeroc-ice is taking forever | 07:15 |
| VolkA | you mean building it? or does it make problems? | 07:16 |
| bddebian | No building :) | 07:17 |
| VolkA | yep, all c++ ... reallly slows it down :) | 07:17 |
| AnAnt | yeah, that's why I hate C++ | 07:17 |
| AnAnt | slow compile & slow run | 07:17 |
| VolkA | :-) at runtime it's ok ... | 07:19 |
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| sebest | hi , i uploaded a package with dput on REVU and i don't see it appearing on the revu.tauware.de homepage | 07:33 |
| sebest | the package is php5-eaccelerator | 07:33 |
| sebest | could anyone tell me what is wrong with my upload? | 07:34 |
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| LaserJock | sebest: eaccelerator? | 07:36 |
| sebest | LaserJock, yes? | 07:36 |
| LaserJock | sebest: are you in the ubuntu-universe-contributors LP team? | 07:37 |
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| sebest | LaserJock, no i'm not | 07:41 |
| sebest | i contribute packages from time to time | 07:41 |
| LaserJock | sebest: ok, join that LP team | 07:41 |
| LaserJock | REVU's authentication is run through that now | 07:41 |
| sebest | LaserJock, i joined | 07:43 |
| sebest | i thought the auth was with the gpg key | 07:43 |
| LaserJock | well, it now looks at the gpg key for your LP id | 07:43 |
| sebest | LaserJock, should i reupload it? | 07:45 |
| LaserJock | sebest: hmm, I think it takes time to sync the keys | 07:45 |
| LaserJock | siretart: ping? | 07:45 |
| LaserJock | lets see if a REVU admin is awake | 07:45 |
| sebest | ok | 07:46 |
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| xerxas | Hi | 07:48 |
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| LaserJock | sebest: :/ it seems nobody is awake presently | 07:52 |
| xerxas | I want make a package with cdbs and /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/python-distutils.mk | 07:52 |
| sebest | LaserJock, thanx, i'll come back asking later on | 07:52 |
| xerxas | it's the first time I use cdbs , can I use dh-make to debianze the directory ? | 07:52 |
| LaserJock | sebest: yeah, and if I spot one I'll have them clear it out, etc. | 07:52 |
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| sebest | LaserJock, thank you | 07:53 |
| LaserJock | xerxas: yeah, I think when you run dh_make it gives you a cdbs option | 07:53 |
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| xerxas | how should I name a directory tha I'll dh_make with revision 37 on a bzr repository ? | 07:57 |
| xerxas | LaserJock: thanks | 07:58 |
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| siretart | hey | 08:20 |
| siretart | sladen: sort of, but a bit different | 08:20 |
| siretart | sladen: revu uses username/pw pairs, which are stored in the database | 08:20 |
| siretart | sladen: the username is taken from the Changed-By: field of accepted uploads | 08:21 |
| siretart | sladen: the password recovery encrypts against that username, which is supposed to be part of the gpg file | 08:22 |
| bddebian | VolkA: Sync request for zeroc-ice and zeroc-ice-python submitted. | 08:23 |
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| LaserJock | sladen: heah! | 08:26 |
| LaserJock | grr | 08:26 |
| LaserJock | siretart I meant | 08:26 |
| LaserJock | siretart: could you sync the revu keys and remove eaccelerator from incoming? | 08:27 |
| siretart | a sec | 08:28 |
| LaserJock | siretart: np, it's for sebest | 08:28 |
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| fowlduck | hey, whoever cares, it looks like guidance-power-manager works now | 08:33 |
| fowlduck | it's not randomly spewing crap at me | 08:33 |
| fowlduck | it's still terrible in judging how much time is left though, it says i have 16 hours of battery, woohoo! | 08:34 |
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| huats_ | I have added my ssh key to launchpad, do I have to wait a bit (like with openpgp keys) before I can push with bzr ? | 08:38 |
| LaserJock | perhaps | 08:40 |
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| siretart | LaserJock: keyring synced | 08:40 |
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| LaserJock | sebest: ^^ | 08:40 |
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| huats_ | Ok I don't know what's wrong. I want to push a branch on launchpad but bzr push keeps tell me that "0 revision(s) pushed." It is a bit OT, but it is quite related to ubuntu... | 08:45 |
| VolkA | bddebian: thanks, thats great! | 08:46 |
| huats_ | and it creates a file sftp: in my rep | 08:46 |
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| iGama | Hello | 08:48 |
| iGama | just have 1 question... | 08:49 |
| sladen | iGama: ...then ask it | 08:50 |
| sladen | :) | 08:50 |
| iGama | i wanna submit a proposol of a package ( im writing it :p ) | 08:50 |
| iGama | its not a new software | 08:50 |
| iGama | its a myspell dictionary | 08:50 |
| iGama | of a language thats not in the repositorys | 08:50 |
| iGama | its found in the debian unstable repos, | 08:51 |
| iGama | s, where do i do the sugestion ? in the MOTU/Packages/Candidates? | 08:51 |
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| LaserJock | iGama: if it's already in sid then it would just need be synced | 08:52 |
| LaserJock | first verified that it builds, etc. in edgy | 08:52 |
| iGama | yep | 08:52 |
| iGama | im using it | 08:52 |
| iGama | instaled that .deb | 08:52 |
| iGama | its the myspell-pt-pt, and other pt_PT dictionaries like aspell and that | 08:53 |
| iGama | dont know if its in sid also :s | 08:53 |
| iGama | have to check | 08:53 |
| iGama | LaserJock, yes tha package is in sid | 08:57 |
| LaserJock | iGama: I guess you could file a bug for a sync then, explaining everything | 08:57 |
| iGama | ok | 08:58 |
| iGama | thanks :) | 08:58 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, i think me and you are the only ones not asking for travel sponsors hehe | 09:03 |
| LaserJock | maybe that means we'll get in ;-) | 09:03 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 09:03 |
| imbrandon | i could probably swing it even if not , but i dont know for sure | 09:04 |
| LaserJock | "these guys are cheap, we'll let them come" ;-) | 09:04 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 09:04 |
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| imbrandon | well if i wasnt in the US or if it was outside the US it would be diffrent but i can get a round trip ticket for like $300, thats not too bad | 09:05 |
| imbrandon | ( to mt view ) | 09:05 |
| imbrandon | OR i could spend the weekend before and after driving to/from but that might be a pita LOL | 09:06 |
| imbrandon | heh you and burger ( and some others i'm missing ) JUST came from google too lol | 09:07 |
| sladen | imbrandon: driving to/from where? | 09:07 |
| imbrandon | sladen, Kansas City to Mt view Cali | 09:07 |
| imbrandon | dev summit | 09:08 |
| sladen | imbrandon: oooh, can you just click your heels three times :) | 09:08 |
| imbrandon | hehehe | 09:08 |
| imbrandon | only what 1200 miles ;) | 09:08 |
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| iGama | LaserJock, thanks, just submitted the bug :) | 09:18 |
| LaserJock | cool | 09:19 |
| AnAnt | LaserJock: can I trick you to review a package ? | 09:19 |
| LaserJock | not today I'm afraid :( | 09:19 |
| AnAnt | k | 09:19 |
| LaserJock | I have to write the Edgy version of the Ubuntu Packaging Guide toda :/ | 09:19 |
| superm1 | Laserjokc, When's a good time to come on to find a MOTU with time for reviews? | 09:20 |
| AnAnt | superm1: after Edgy is released maybe ? | 09:20 |
| superm1 | haha | 09:20 |
| LaserJock | hard to say really | 09:20 |
| LaserJock | I don't think right now is great though | 09:21 |
| LaserJock | time zone issues are always difficult | 09:21 |
| superm1 | yea I can see that | 09:21 |
| superm1 | are most the MOTUs in EU, or US or where? | 09:21 |
| LaserJock | EU I should think | 09:21 |
| LaserJock | and australiaish | 09:22 |
| superm1 | okay so night time US time would probably be better luck to find more MOTUs in the channel then | 09:22 |
| superm1 | that works | 09:22 |
| LaserJock | there are a few of us American/Canadia types | 09:22 |
| superm1 | I'll check back in later tonight | 09:22 |
| LaserJock | I know it's hard guys | 09:23 |
| LaserJock | but we are doing as much as we can | 09:23 |
| bddebian | Bah, speak for yourself ;-P | 09:23 |
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| LaserJock | ah, I wondered when he would surface | 09:23 |
| AnAnt | yup | 09:23 |
| LaserJock | punish him with a revu | 09:23 |
| superm1 | I'm sure there is so much more going on for you guys then we even want to know about, so I'm greatful for the time you give us :) | 09:23 |
| AnAnt | I thought he wouldn't surface since I entered | 09:24 |
| LaserJock | well, IMO, we aren't doing so great with REVUing | 09:24 |
| LaserJock | but I'm not sure how to make it better | 09:24 |
| AnAnt | LaserJock: I think you guys are doing great, especially that you have a real life to handle | 09:25 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 09:25 |
| LaserJock | I'm trying to get some research done | 09:25 |
| LaserJock | write the packaging guide | 09:25 |
| LaserJock | fix some bugs | 09:25 |
| LaserJock | do some other writing | 09:25 |
| LaserJock | etc. | 09:25 |
| LaserJock | and I can hardly keep up with my email :-) | 09:25 |
| AnAnt | kchmviewer is on the repos ! | 09:26 |
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| AnAnt | ??? | 09:29 |
| AnAnt | that link is not working: http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/kde/kchmviewer-nokde | 09:29 |
| AnAnt | who should I report that to ? | 09:29 |
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| LaserJock | AnAnt: what do you mean? | 09:30 |
| AnAnt | LaserJock: what do I mean by what ? | 09:30 |
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| LaserJock | what's not working? | 09:31 |
| geser | the URL he mentioned | 09:31 |
| AnAnt | exactly | 09:31 |
| geser | gives a 404 | 09:31 |
| AnAnt | I searched in packages.ubuntu.com for kchmviewer-nokde | 09:31 |
| AnAnt | so it gave me that link | 09:31 |
| AnAnt | now if I click it , it says that it doesn't exist (ie. 404) | 09:31 |
| LaserJock | is that a new package? do you know? | 09:32 |
| AnAnt | yup | 09:32 |
| AnAnt | and it only got in today | 09:32 |
| LaserJock | then it probably needs some time to sync | 09:32 |
| AnAnt | k | 09:33 |
| huats__ | I'd like to put a branch for bzr on launchpad... I want to add it inside the telepathy team... bzr push --create-prefix sftp://christophe-sauthier@bazaar.launchpad.net/~telepathy/telepathy-irc/ubuntu with christophe-sauthier my id and telepathy-irc is a project created inside launchpad.... It is correct ? | 09:33 |
| LaserJock | are you a member of telepathy LP team? | 09:34 |
| huats__ | LaserJock: Yep | 09:34 |
| LaserJock | I think that's right then | 09:35 |
| huats__ | this command tell me as a result : "0 revision(s) pushed." and it creates a rep sftp: | 09:35 |
| bddebian | AnAnt: Is it sitting in the NEW queue? | 09:36 |
| LaserJock | huats__: I think that might be ok | 09:36 |
| LaserJock | huats__: try branching from http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~telepathy/telepathy-irc/ubuntu | 09:36 |
| huats__ | LaserJock: so I don't know what's is wrong | 09:36 |
| AnAnt | bddebian: gimme the link for NEW queue pls | 09:36 |
| LaserJock | http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+queue | 09:36 |
| huats__ | LaserJock: you mean bzr branch ? | 09:36 |
| LaserJock | huats__: yeah | 09:37 |
| bddebian | AnAnt: LaserJock just did :) | 09:37 |
| huats__ | LaserJock: bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~telepathy/telepathy-irc/ubuntu/ | 09:37 |
| AnAnt | k | 09:37 |
| LaserJock | huats__: hmm | 09:38 |
| AnAnt | bddebian: nope, not there | 09:39 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: and from memory too ;-) | 09:39 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: You are a STUD man :-) | 09:39 |
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| LaserJock | I guess that's what I get for being a raging Ubuntu-holic | 09:39 |
| LaserJock | I can do the NEW queue URL from memory | 09:40 |
| LaserJock | but I have a hard time telling you my phone number | 09:40 |
| bddebian | heh | 09:40 |
| LaserJock | it's true too, that's the sad part | 09:41 |
| LaserJock | I hate my phone number | 09:41 |
| LaserJock | I've had it for 3 years and still have to think about it | 09:41 |
| AnAnt | ?! | 09:42 |
| LaserJock | I can do the one I had before that one fine | 09:42 |
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| AnAnt | guys, what exactly is XGL ? | 09:43 |
| sladen | AnAnt: bling | 09:44 |
| Nafallo | AnAnt: GL-driven XServer from SUSE | 09:44 |
| AnAnt | what is bling ? | 09:44 |
| Nafallo | sladen: I love your proposal about UDS and just responded with my thoughts to sounder :-) | 09:44 |
| superm1 | a temporary workaround until the big proprietary driver vendors support Aiglx | 09:44 |
| Nafallo | AnAnt: eyecandy :-) | 09:44 |
| LaserJock | nasty eyecandy | 09:45 |
| LaserJock | can't for the life of me figure out why somebody would want to run their box like that | 09:45 |
| AnAnt | is it true that if I use XGL, then it will take off some load from the CPU ? | 09:45 |
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| AnAnt | LaserJock: neither do I, but some guy told me that it uses GPU instead of CPU | 09:45 |
| Nafallo | will, it _will_ render more stuff on the GFX-card, so theoretically. | 09:46 |
| Nafallo | s/i/e/ | 09:46 |
| LaserJock | sure, to break your apps and funky things with your windws | 09:46 |
| AnAnt | LaserJock: huh ? | 09:46 |
| LaserJock | I'm all for eyecandy that works | 09:46 |
| superm1 | if your going to set it up, be ready for daily breakage from the quinn repos | 09:47 |
| AnAnt | bddebian: I got bad news for you | 09:47 |
| LaserJock | I've seen too many "App X doesn't work anymore" bugs because of XGL | 09:47 |
| LaserJock | it's great for testing out new features and X development | 09:47 |
| Nafallo | AnAnt: that will make him happy, bddebian likes bad news ;-) | 09:47 |
| AnAnt | LaserJock: ok, you gave me a good reason not to care about XGL | 09:48 |
| LaserJock | well | 09:48 |
| LaserJock | I sound a bit harsh and like an old grumpy guy | 09:48 |
| Nafallo | LaserJock: lol | 09:48 |
| LaserJock | but XGL isn't going to make your machine *more* stable, I'll put it that way | 09:49 |
| Nafallo | :-) | 09:49 |
| bddebian | AnAnt: Whassat? | 09:49 |
| AnAnt | bddebian: i reuploaded elinks-full | 09:50 |
| superm1 | it does wonders though to make vista fan boys drop their mouths at the cool things it can do | 09:50 |
| AnAnt | I only fixed the copyright thing | 09:50 |
| bddebian | AnAnt: Well WTF? :-) | 09:50 |
| AnAnt | superm1: like what ? | 09:50 |
| LaserJock | superm1: tbh I'd rather show them a "Just Works" system, but I know what you mean | 09:50 |
| superm1 | I showed a friend of mine watching a video on the edge of the cube | 09:51 |
| superm1 | and he was pretty amazed at just that | 09:51 |
| AnAnt | I don't understand what's nice about that | 09:51 |
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| Nafallo | AnAnt: it just looks kewl :-) | 09:52 |
| superm1 | its not at all for a functional purpose, its just to look cool | 09:52 |
| AnAnt | k | 09:52 |
| superm1 | yea | 09:52 |
| superm1 | and when your waiting for a compile to go, who wouldn't want to wobble a window around ;)? | 09:52 |
| AnAnt | prolly it will be nice in games or some 3D CAD/modelling software ? | 09:52 |
| LaserJock | I think it's basically a "proof-of-concept" thing | 09:53 |
| superm1 | IMO, that's why AIGLX is the end solution, It's already in edgy and metacity has support to use it | 09:54 |
| AnAnt | oh, like going to the moon | 09:54 |
| superm1 | I don't follow that comment? | 09:55 |
| LaserJock | you send people to the moon to say "I went to the moon", not because you doing much of anything functional there | 09:56 |
| imbrandon | ... | 09:56 |
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| AnAnt | it has to do with cold war | 09:56 |
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| superm1 | oh.... yea makes sense | 09:56 |
| AnAnt | doh ! | 09:56 |
| AnAnt | kchmviewer now dissappeared from packages.ubuntu.com | 09:57 |
| AnAnt | I think it must be some sync'ing as bddebian said | 09:57 |
| LaserJock | so this is "We came make windows wobble and videos play on a cube" | 09:57 |
| AnAnt | oops, wrong search | 09:58 |
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| zul | i think most people perfer systems that work over eye candy | 10:01 |
| AnAnt | is getting a package in Debian a lengthy process like in Ubuntu ? | 10:01 |
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| LaserJock | AnAnt: depends, sometimes it is faster, sometimes it is slower | 10:02 |
| LaserJock | it sort of depends on who you know | 10:02 |
| LaserJock | and can get to sponsor you | 10:02 |
| bddebian | AnAnt: If you did them right the first time it wouldn't take so long.. ;-P | 10:02 |
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| superm1 | haha | 10:02 |
| LaserJock | it's true though | 10:02 |
| LaserJock | wrt to Debian | 10:02 |
| LaserJock | my first package took quite a while to get into Ubuntu | 10:03 |
| zul | heh...there is no debian cabal | 10:03 |
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| LaserJock | but once it was it only took 2 days to get into Debian | 10:03 |
| superm1 | speaking of which, bddebian, would you have a moment to look over the myth package I have on REVU? | 10:04 |
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| Nafallo | lol | 10:05 |
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| Nafallo | :-) | 10:05 |
| bddebian | Who is back in action? :) | 10:06 |
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| AnAnt | which action ? REVU'ing or ducking ? | 10:06 |
| bddebian | superm1: Have you spoken with slomo_ by any chance? | 10:06 |
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| superm1 | No I haven't | 10:07 |
| superm1 | I just got the package in yesterday, and haven't found a MOTU to look at it initially yet | 10:08 |
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| phanatic | good evening | 10:08 |
| bddebian | Well slomo_ works on/with the Multimedia team | 10:08 |
| bddebian | Heya phanatic | 10:09 |
| bddebian | superm1: And I don't know if he wanted to use the Debian Multimedia packages for a reason? | 10:09 |
| phanatic | hey bddebian :) | 10:09 |
| superm1 | Well these were synced from debian-multimedia | 10:09 |
| superm1 | with an ubuntu patch ontop | 10:09 |
| superm1 | and tested in an edgy pbuilder by me | 10:09 |
| Nafallo | bddebian: I was more into your humor :-) | 10:09 |
| superm1 | crimsun had said that was the best way to go | 10:09 |
| bddebian | superm1: Doesn't deb-mult-media just have .19? | 10:10 |
| bddebian | Nafallo: Ah.. ;-) | 10:10 |
| superm1 | Christian just got them up to 0.20 1.5 days ago | 10:10 |
| superm1 | and he got plugins packages that I'm gonna throw in a pbuilder later today too | 10:10 |
| bddebian | Ah, and you built from that? | 10:10 |
| superm1 | yes | 10:10 |
| bddebian | Cool, OK | 10:10 |
| superm1 | I added a patch for gnome-screensaver | 10:10 |
| superm1 | instead of xscreensaver | 10:10 |
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| superm1 | elsewise, they are the same | 10:11 |
| Nafallo | superm1: should you really do instead of? Xubuntu uses xss IIRC. | 10:11 |
| superm1 | well I know all the other media players ubuntu universe has have patches for gnome-screensaver | 10:11 |
| superm1 | totem,vlc,xine,mplayer | 10:11 |
| superm1 | so I figured it was fitting to add | 10:12 |
| Nafallo | totem _is_ gnome, so shouldn't need xss, vlc xine and mplayer should really be both... | 10:12 |
| Nafallo | that's in my world ofcourse... don't know how in sync with MOTU that is atm ;-) | 10:13 |
| Nafallo | I'm just being logical here :-P | 10:13 |
| superm1 | haha, well its always possible to change the patch to see what screensaver daemon is running | 10:13 |
| superm1 | and work from that | 10:13 |
| superm1 | I tend to forget there is a world outside of ordinary ubuntu - kubuntu and xubuntu and all | 10:14 |
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| Nafallo | :-) | 10:14 |
| bddebian | Gah, I haven't used screen in soo long. How do you detach from a screen? | 10:15 |
| tseng | ivoks: ping | 10:15 |
| ivoks | tseng: pong | 10:15 |
| zul | control a, control d | 10:15 |
| bddebian | Thx zul | 10:16 |
| tseng | ivoks: looking for your alps touchpad loge | 10:16 |
| tseng | love | 10:16 |
| AnAnt | any free REVUer here ? | 10:16 |
| ivoks | tseng: sure... | 10:16 |
| tseng | ivoks: was there a url? | 10:16 |
| tseng | my touchpad is kinda slow on a new dell | 10:16 |
| tseng | the nipple is super fast | 10:16 |
| bddebian | Uhm | 10:16 |
| Nafallo | lol, I read that right after all :-P | 10:16 |
| AnAnt | what nipple ? | 10:16 |
| tseng | ... | 10:17 |
| ivoks | tseng: i don't have an url; alps works since breezy out of the box | 10:17 |
| superm1 | in the keyboard | 10:17 |
| tseng | the one that is used for cursors? | 10:17 |
| bddebian | None of my nipples work for cursors? | 10:17 |
| tseng | sigh | 10:17 |
| ivoks | tseng: but you can speed it up | 10:17 |
| tseng | not in the mood | 10:17 |
| superm1 | haha.. | 10:17 |
| tseng | ivoks: not in gnome i cant | 10:17 |
| tseng | settings have no effect | 10:17 |
| ivoks | tseng: in xorg.conf | 10:17 |
| AnAnt | oh | 10:17 |
| tseng | ivoks: ok | 10:17 |
| tseng | ivoks: synaptics manpage? | 10:17 |
| tseng | will look later | 10:17 |
| ivoks | tseng: http://web.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/ | 10:18 |
| ivoks | grrr | 10:18 |
| ivoks | README.alps :) | 10:18 |
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| tseng | ok thanks | 10:19 |
| AnAnt | is anyone here able to disable Touch-to-Click in the virtual console for ALPS touchpads ? | 10:19 |
| ivoks | tseng: /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/README.alps | 10:19 |
| tseng | ok | 10:19 |
| ivoks | tseng: I think it's AccelFactor or MinSpeed | 10:19 |
| tseng | ok | 10:19 |
| ivoks | anybody knows who is admin of se.archive.ubuntu.com? | 10:26 |
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| bddebian | Egads I forgot that MythTV is 14Mb :-( | 11:03 |
| LaserJock | bah | 11:03 |
| LaserJock | I did a python2.4 -> python changin in gcompris yesterday | 11:04 |
| LaserJock | the source is 72MB | 11:04 |
| superm1 | yea it did take forever for me to upload that source package on my 256kbits upload here | 11:04 |
| LaserJock | it took forever on my 1.3GHz pbuilder machine | 11:04 |
| bddebian | heh | 11:05 |
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| Sp4rKy | hi guys | 11:06 |
| Sp4rKy | i need some help with debconf | 11:07 |
| Sp4rKy | i'm creating a preinst file which call debconf for ask something to end-user | 11:07 |
| Sp4rKy | but when i try install my package with dpkg -i , i get an error 10 from preinst script ... | 11:08 |
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| sistpoty | hi folks | 11:35 |
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