[12:09] huats: take a python soft package as an example :) [12:12] ajmitch, where is the wiki page for it, i can add my ccache config [12:12] err pbuilder config for ccache [12:13] PbuilderHowto [12:13] beligum, basicly short version, you make the ccachedir ( change it to the correct owner for pbuilder ) and add the following lines to pbuilderrc ... [12:13] export CCACHE_SIZE="2G" [12:13] export CCACHE_DIR="/var/cache/pbuilder/ccache" [12:13] export PATH="/usr/lib/ccache:${PATH}" [12:13] EXTRAPACKAGES=ccache [12:13] BINDMOUNTS="${CCACHE_DIR}" [12:13] thats about it [12:14] nice [12:14] thanks [12:14] correct owner is usually 1234 [12:14] hmm [12:14] I think I mangle CC and friends aswell :-) [12:15] Nafallo: shouldn't need to [12:15] you can ( with a hook ) i've seen in some howto's but it dosent seem nessesary === lbm [n=lbm@82.192.173.92] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:16] here is the full howto i followed to get pbuilder and ccache and distcc working nicely togather ..... http://edseek.com/~jasonb/articles/pbuilder_backports/advpbuilder.html [12:16] Nafallo, ajmitch, beligum ^^ [12:16] ooh [12:16] distcc... [12:16] distcc is more of a hack than ccache but it works [12:16] distcc is mainly useless since most packages need mangling to use make -j [12:16] maybe it's worth linking my girlfriends new computer in... ;-) [12:16] many don't work at all [12:16] ajmitch, it handles that [12:17] it hacks the makeopts , like i said more of a hack [12:17] icescream [12:17] with some sed magic [12:17] imbrandon: yes, but some packages will just fail [12:17] When duploading a package, do I, or someone need to do something for it to appear on the repo? [12:17] ajmitch, yea alot will actualy, thats why i stoped using it for the most part ( except kde{base,libs} [12:17] I've had to fix makefile.am bugginess in packages I maintain for that [12:17] ) [12:18] xopher: yes, it needs to be reviewed [12:18] you need to upload to REVU, and to do that you need to be in the launchpad group [12:18] and ask a REVU admin to sync the keyring [12:18] (REVU being revu.tauware.de) [12:19] ajmitch, then its cool I guess [12:19] xopher: has your package shown up on revu yet? [12:19] Im not uploading to revu.. [12:19] ok, where are you uploading to? [12:19] Im uploading to quinns compiz repository [12:20] I see. [12:20] then the question isn't so relevant :) [12:20] ;) [12:20] thanks anyway [12:21] I've some questions regarding the errors lintian gives me when compiling my dll: [12:21] shlib-with-non-pic-code [12:21] non-dev-pkg-with-shlib-symlink [12:21] no-shlibs-control-file [12:21] postinst-must-call-ldconfig [12:21] that's it [12:22] -fPIC is present though.. (using libtool) === jinty [n=jinty@132.Red-83-55-196.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === huats_ [n=chris@huats.reponses.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio_ [n=tonio@179.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dallingham [n=dona@c-67-190-27-78.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:00] Sorry for the noob-ish question, but could someone point me to the right place to seek some help on the vpnc client? I've tried ubuntuforums.org, but I almost never get a response to a question there. [01:01] #ubuntu [01:01] dallingham: or perhaps, the upstream vpnc community directly === ctd_ [i=ctd@2001:388:c152:6:0:0:0:65] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:02] Thanks. [01:09] is using the -release linker flag, instead of -version-info seriously wrong ? === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dallingham [n=dona@c-67-190-27-78.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === huats_ [n=chris@huats.reponses.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ctd_ [i=ctd@2001:388:c152:6:0:0:0:65] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:25] I am trying to build my first package using cdbs (and it is also my first package using pbuilder).... I have an error : running install_egg_info [01:25] Writing /tmp/buildd/telepathy-irc-0.1/debian/telepathy-irc/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/telepathy_irc-0.0.0-py2.5.egg-info [01:25] error: /tmp/buildd/telepathy-irc-0.1/debian/telepathy-irc/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/telepathy_irc-0.0.0-py2.5.egg-info: No such file or directory [01:25] does anybody has an idea, what I an do about it ? === grexk [n=grexk@124.107.72.42] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nictuku [n=yves@ubuntu/member/nictuku] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@203.23.49.35] has joined #ubuntu-motu === FliesLikeALap [n=Ryan@corenet-1507.dynamic.rpi.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:07] imbrandon: Congrats on main upload rights. [02:07] Wow. Congratulations, imbrandon :) [02:10] Fujitsu, TheMuso thanks ;) [02:10] Welcome. [02:10] That was quick. [02:10] hehe ;) [02:10] not the interview though ( 1+ hour ) [02:10] lol [02:10] I'll bet you were put on the spot. [02:11] hehe a bit, not REAL bad, no more than was expected actualy [02:11] but i was still nervious [02:11] imbrandon: YOu going to the next dev summit? [02:11] I'll bet. [02:11] yea , rumors it will be in SF ( west coast usa ) [02:11] Its already been announced. [02:11] but not confirmed etc etc etc [02:12] oh it has ? [02:12] wow i missed that [02:12] heh [02:12] -dev-announce [02:12] Mountain View. [02:12] home on google ;) [02:12] s/on/of [02:12] well, it will be at google hq, so... [02:13] google [02:13] yea i will probably get to make it this time ( but OTOH i just applied at a company in EU and its looking good so far so who knows i might have to fly back "home" sooner than expected ) [02:13] Good luck with that [02:14] imbrandon: congrats btw [02:14] zul, thanks [02:15] ok food time brb ( more cheesy noodles ) [02:15] actualy then i think i'm gonna take a nap, see yall in a few hours [02:15] been a long day heheh [02:15] cya === TheMuso heads out. [02:15] hrm it seems i'm not on the devel announce list, figures i'm on all the others [02:17] The entire meeting was devoted to that promotion. That's quite impressive :)_ === ceruno [n=mfcabrer@xue.unalmed.edu.co] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:30] Are any syncs going to be processed at any point? [02:31] It's been ages since any have been done... === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:36] Heya gang [02:37] Hey. [02:39] Howdy Fujitsu === theCore [n=alex@modemcable106.200-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:47] gnight all [02:47] Bye, main-capable imbrandon :)_ [02:47] *:) === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-66-110.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:04] hey all === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:05] hey Hobbsee [03:05] Hi Hobbsee [03:05] hey zul, bddebian :) [03:07] patch released #99855: fix for the Lorena Bobbit Virus === insomniak [i=insomnia@c207.134.18-233.clta.globetrotter.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === insomniak [i=insomnia@c207.134.18-233.clta.globetrotter.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [03:07] Corrects issue allowing malicious code to resize hard drive to the size of a 3.5 inch floppy === bluefoxicy ducks [03:14] oh cool, they announced the summit stuff [03:15] Hobbsee: yep === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:17] hopefully I can just drop the knot 3 iso onto this usb stick once released, and have a fully working system === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fowlduck- [n=duck@68-190-90-101.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nexu [n=nexu@2001:888:10:284:0:e7:ad:d1c7] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fowlduck- [n=duck@68-190-90-101.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nictuku [n=yves@ubuntu/member/nictuku] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mayday_jay [n=maydayja@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:35] heya everybody === ctd [i=ctd@2001:388:c152:6:0:0:0:65] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:48] Hi Toadstool. [05:53] hey Fujitsu [05:53] er, got to go :/ [05:55] Bye. === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-74.ip.rixbredband.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === amachu [n=amachu@125.22.67.26] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:43] hi every one [06:43] am new to MOTU [06:43] need a mentor and guidance [06:44] #join drupal-india [06:52] amachu: you might want to take a look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Mentors [06:53] and the Ubuntu Packaging Guide === kristog [n=ballio@energ63.energ.polimi.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lfittl [n=lfittl@193.170.41.114] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kagou [n=Kagou@84.5.149.242] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Zdra [n=zdra@195.225-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === kyral_ [n=kyral@128.153.219.112] has joined #ubuntu-motu === shenki [n=Joel@pulteney-pix.border.net.adelaide.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Burgundavia_ [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B1EF9.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:08] HAPPY HUG DAY! === zakame hugs dholbach [09:09] yay [09:09] hey zakame [09:18] imbrandon: congratulations! [09:22] imbrandon: congrats fresh core-dev! :D [09:23] So considering I've got my packages up at REVU for myththemes and myth-tv, what kind of bribes or asking are needed to get a MOTU to look at them? ;) === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:34] Is mythplugins there also? [09:34] or are you talking source packages? [09:34] (I thought there were three) [09:41] mythplugins won't be up until christian finishes his. I have one I personally assembled, but I think I'm better off sticking with his since everything else is syncing to him [09:42] but the themes and the main mythtv source packages are both up === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:42] right [09:43] so is it jumping the gun to get someone to look at this at least until the plugins are finished up? === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lloydinho [n=andreas@130.225.237.11] has joined #ubuntu-motu === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:09] which part of dh_install deals with .install files? === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:10] The entirety of it, seaLne? [10:10] hm [10:10] without .install files i get no errors but also no files, with them dh_install -s fails trying to cp the files [10:13] dh_install -s [10:13] cp: cannot stat `.//usr/bin/aimage': No such file or directory [10:13] dh_install: command returned error code 256 [10:13] seems like it is looking in the wrong place? [10:18] the files are in debian/tmp [10:18] any suggestions? === Sp4rKy [n=max@ubuntu/member/sp4rky] has joined #ubuntu-motu === vud1 [n=vud1@unaffilitated/vud1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === xerxas [n=R67894@AGrenoble-257-1-104-22.w90-9.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:29] Hi everyone [10:30] If there is an ITP for a debian package, can I try to package it for ubuntu ? [10:31] xerxas: sure, we "don't care" about ITPs [10:31] ok [10:31] it's just good if you work together with the debian maintainer and merge with him [10:31] dholbach, I want to try to package tangerine, a daap server written in mono [10:31] if it was only recently filed it might be nice to wait abit? [10:31] I have not find any package of it [10:32] http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/being_packaged.en.html says it's being packaged for 108 days [10:32] seaLne: Add debian/tmp to your paths.. [10:32] you ping the ITPer [10:32] do I have to take care of some special stuff for mono programs ? [10:32] seaLne: See the dh_install man page. [10:32] add some dependency ... ? [10:32] shawarma: /me looks thanks [10:33] Package: wnpp; Maintainer for wnpp is wnpp@debian.org. [10:33] Reported by: Lennart Poettering ; Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 16:33:11 UTC. [10:33] Owned by: Jack Bates . [10:33] who should I ping ? [10:33] Lennart ? or Jack Bates ? [10:33] Reported by is the RFP ? [10:33] Jack Bates have done the ITP ? [10:37] xerxas: tangerine is already packaged and uploaded to debian [10:37] xerxas: if that's the one you mean... tseng did it [10:37] slomo_, ok [10:38] it's not in ubuntu though [10:38] right ? [10:38] not in edgy [10:38] will be synced once it's from NEW in debian [10:38] xerxas: both [10:38] ok [10:38] zakame, both what ? [10:38] I mean ping obth to see what's up [10:38] *both [10:38] zakame, ok [10:38] sticky keyb [10:38] whatever, I don't need to apprently [10:38] as tangerine will come soon in edgy [10:39] ah, well [10:42] shawarma: sorry i'm still a bit confused afflib.install has lines like /usr/bin/aimage which is what i see in other packages, is that not correct? === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:43] seaLne: No. Prepend debian/tmp [10:44] seaLne: In which package have you seen absolute paths in a .install file? === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@221.221.163.246] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:46] hmm [10:47] ok it looks like i was mis remembering [10:50] shawarma: thanks, i guess my memory is broken [10:51] if upstream includes word docs is it ok to install then in the doc dir? [10:52] it feels wrong but the info they have is quite usefull === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jinty [n=jinty@132.Red-83-55-196.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === geser [n=michael@dialin110077.justdsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === kyral_ [n=kyral@128.153.219.112] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:07] would buildeping on antiword and converting them be bad? [11:08] Probably... [11:09] Fujitsu: so just ignore them? [11:09] I think so. [11:09] k === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === vud1 is now known as vud0 === xerxas_ [n=R67894@AGrenoble-257-1-8-119.w86-193.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Arbiter [n=arbiter@unaffiliated/arbiter] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:24] what's William Alexander Grant's IRC nick? [11:25] 'fujitsu' i think [11:26] Fujitsu: hi, saw your toursst upload. The version number you used there seems to be wrong. [11:26] Mithrandir, hi.. No, it's right. [11:26] It needs to be that. [11:26] As 0.0.3ubuntu1 > 0.0.3-0.1. [11:27] It was discussed here. [11:27] 0.0.3ubuntu1 < 0.0.3-1, though [11:27] but then you eat into the debian version? [11:27] Is it? [11:28] uh, sorry, 0.0.3ubuntu1 > 0.0.3-1 [11:28] which means we can't ever sync 0.0.3 versions again. [11:28] Mithrandir, that's what happens when Debian adds a -0.1. There was no other way. [11:29] oh, i get it, hrm [11:29] Fujitsu: what's wrong with 0.0.3-0.1ubuntu1 ? [11:29] Isn't 0.0.3ubuntu1 > 0.0.3-0.1ubuntu1? [11:30] yes, and? === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:30] 0.0.3ubuntu1 already existed. [11:30] So 0.0.3-0.1ubuntu1 would have been less than the existing version. [11:30] oh, true. [11:30] Debian had a native package, then made a non-native-NMU. [11:30] It's the same with carpaltunnel. [11:31] (also mine) [11:31] It should have been 0.0.3.1 when Debian uploaded it, not 0.0.3-0.1. [11:31] you should note that in the changelog, though. "NMU version means a merge is required" isn't very self-explanatory. [11:31] no, it shouldn't. Version numbering of native packages is undefined. [11:32] That's pretty silly... [11:32] But yes, the changelog could probably have been more verbose. [11:32] Sorry. [11:32] *shrug*; native packages should be rare anyway. [11:32] Mithrandir: "screwed versioning" also works. [11:32] Mithrandir: or "fake-syncing due to bad versioning. no ubuntu changes" === Hobbsee has done a few of those. [11:34] Shouldn't there be a policy regarding NMUs on native packages? [11:34] Fujitsu: maybe [11:34] but there isn't. [11:34] Fujitsu: "don't screw up your numbering"? [11:35] thom: yeah, well. if we shot those who screwed it in the first place.... [11:35] thom, haha. === vud0 is now known as vud1 === Fujitsu 's heart rate returns to normal... [11:35] I hoped I hadn't made a nasty mistake >_< [11:39] does help2man create strangely formated manpages? === Nafallo [n=nafallo@ubuntu/member/nafallo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:42] seaLne, check? [11:42] well they look a bit weird [11:42] Probably, then. [11:43] :) === bersace [n=bersace@did75-13-82-243-217-90.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === vud1 [n=vud1@unaffilitated/vud1] has left #ubuntu-motu ["chapo] === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio_ [n=tonio@179.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Adri2000 [n=Adri2000@unaffiliated/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tortoise_ [n=tortoise@194.164.140.64] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bersace [n=bersace@did75-13-82-243-217-90.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Arbiter [n=arbiter@unaffiliated/arbiter] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mr_pouit [n=mr_pouit@lns-bzn-49f-81-56-214-84.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === kagou [n=kagou@84.6.192.191] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:54] Anything using CDBS' kde.mk doesn't need dh_iconcache explicitly, right? [01:00] anyone know what the correct way to deal with point 6 in /usr/share/doc/libssl-dev/copyright for a package using ssl copyright file? === tortoise_ [n=tortoise@194.164.140.64] has joined #ubuntu-motu === xerxas [n=R67894@AGrenoble-257-1-8-119.w86-193.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === kagou_ [n=kagou@84.7.195.58] has joined #ubuntu-motu === plugwash [i=plugwash@p10link.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === abelcheung_ [n=abelcheu@221.126.146.179] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:26] Fujitsu: yes [01:26] Fujitsu: if it's not a custom cdbs in debian/ [01:26] dholbach, I thought so, after reading kde.mk. [01:26] Thanks :) === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tortoise_ [n=tortoise@194.164.140.64] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tortoise_ [n=tortoise@194.164.140.64] has joined #ubuntu-motu === \sh_ [n=shermann@server3.servereyes.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herzi [n=herzi@kiwi.mediascape.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === janm [n=jmalonzo@29.182.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:03] Hobbsee: you pinged me some time ago about xine [02:04] Hobbsee: I finally managed to remerge the debian package, which should contain some lp bugs. are you interested to test/review my branch? [02:04] I still don't have internet at home, so I can only access an quite outdated edgy mirror [02:04] siretart: heya. yes. === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:06] Hobbsee: https://launchpad.net/people/siretart/+branch/xine-lib/xine-lib.ubuntu-main+repacked1.1.1.2 [02:06] Hobbsee: it contains a debian/rules rule for creating the orig.tar.gz [02:06] siretart: cool. i'm not sure i'd find much use for it though - i'm not the one who gets most of the bugs. [02:07] Hobbsee: yes, xine-lib has a lot of strange bugs. the debian bts is also full of it, and I spend weeks with triaging them. thats why I wasn't too active in ubuntu land lately [02:07] siretart: fair enough === Hobbsee gets her touchpad in semi working order, thanks to StevenK [02:07] Hobbsee: all my work on the debian side is in that branch. so I'd be really happy if we could base further work on that branch [02:07] StevenK: stop touching her pad [02:07] or something === StevenK pleads innocence. [02:08] hrhr === Hobbsee smacks tseng [02:08] :( === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:08] siretart: it's your choice, i expect? [02:08] Hobbsee: err, what choice? [02:09] siretart: ie, it'd be your choice to make your changes in debian, then just keep syncing to ubuntu? [02:09] if you're the debian maintainer, of course [02:09] Hobbsee: I do maintain xine-lib in debian. siggi (the man in the maintainer field) is pretty mia [02:10] Hah. Pretty MIA [02:10] Siggi grabbed xine and co and then basically dropped off the net [02:10] hi === StevenK waves to ajmitch [02:10] Hobbsee: we cannot just sync xine from debian, because we need to strip off ffmpeg, libfaad and libmad from the package, which is a real PITA [02:10] StevenK: you know siggi? [02:10] ahhh... [02:10] siretart: Spoken to him a few times === siretart waves to ajmitch as well [02:10] hey ajmitch [02:11] siretart: As Hobbsee had found out, I know most of the active DDs [02:11] s/had/has/ [02:11] StevenK: he answered one or two bugmails in the last 6 months, so he seems to be somewhat reachable via email [02:11] StevenK: but he hasn't uploaded anything the last 3 or 4 years (!) [02:12] Muaha [02:12] Sounds like him [02:12] and xine-lib was in a really bad shape. so I started to work on that [02:13] now I'm waiting for DAM approval. I think if I don't see any serious activity from him until then, I'll point the maintainer field to my @debian.org adress (if I become approved, that is) === StevenK tries to resist the temptation to show siretart his NM page [02:17] StevenK: GRRR! :) [02:18] siretart: You saw it? [02:18] StevenK: how much did you need to pay? ;) [02:18] Hah! Nothing. [02:18] I spoke to elmo about it, it was basically luck on my part. [02:18] one week from application to account creation isn't too bad :) === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:19] I had joeyh as my advocate and tbm as my AM, and I managed to hit DAM approval a few days before elmo went and created accounts for a few people. [02:20] currently Ganneff seems to be very busy with NEW, cdrkit and other duties to review some NMs.. [02:21] Hah, back in my day, Ganneff wasn't even a DD. === StevenK chuckles [02:21] Hobbsee: I've just noticed that I missed a build dependency on libdts. please pull your branch [02:22] siretart: i havent touched it yet, i've been dealing with a rogue touchpad [02:22] StevenK: you're one of the people who actually got an advocate. Some of us even predate that. [02:22] Mithrandir: Hush [02:22] hehe [02:22] StevenK: I have the impression that elmo doesn't look at the NMs any longer, but relies on Ganneff's review, and only creates accounts in a batch. [02:23] Mithrandir: Herbert even pre-dated NM [02:23] siretart: I suspect so. [02:23] my impression may be wrong of course. but as NM you don't see behind the curtains.. [02:23] Hobbsee: ah, ok === AnAnt [n=anant@62.139.225.200] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:34] realist: not everyone can upload [02:35] only masters of the universe, and core devs, can upload to the universe. [02:35] anyone else needs to get sponsored by someone in one of the above two teams [02:35] Hobbsee: -ECHAN ;) [02:35] siretart: hmm? === frandavid100 [n=david@84-123-96-251.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:36] Hobbsee, that was in #-devel. [02:36] Ah. [02:36] ah [02:36] never mind [02:36] Fujitsu: yes, i then said "lets' take this to -motu" [02:36] :P [02:36] I still don't follow the QA procedures then [02:36] Hobbsee, hence the `Ah.' [02:36] realist: well, people like Fujitsu cant upload - they can write patches, etc, and we can look at them and upload them if they're good, or reject them if they're bad. [02:36] realist, if anybody could upload to universe, my current tasks would be done a whole lot more quickly :) [02:37] Once someone becomes a MOTU, they can modify any code, package it, and upload? [02:37] realist: well, yes. within universe [02:37] realist, in universe, not main or restricted. [02:37] Fujitsu: + multiverse [02:37] realist: it's not easy to get MOTU though [02:37] siretart, true. [02:37] siretart: oh we can get to multiverse as well can we? cool [02:37] sure. universe and multiverse share upload permissions [02:37] realist: and most people who get MOTU wont screw up [02:37] So how many MOTU are looking after how many packages I wonder? [02:37] ah right [02:37] Hobbsee, it is fortunately not easy. Or universe would be full of crap, and I'd be a MOTU :P [02:38] Fujitsu: hehe [02:38] How can _every_ MOTU, be familiar with the codebase of _every_ package? [02:38] realist, they're not. [02:38] they're not [02:38] so most of the time they only modify what they know [02:38] Precisely [02:38] realist: see the -changes list for an impression who touches what package. [02:38] realist, https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-dev says we have 53 motus [02:38] For example, Hobbsee touches k.* [02:38] realist: in theory, everyone can touch almost every package, but in practice everyone has his 'pet' packages [02:39] realist: and the whole universe wouldn't work if we hadn't many reliable mantainers of the packages in debian [02:39] So for example, if someone who _wrote_ the upstream codebase, and was packaging .debs, would you check their code before you merged their changes to universe? [02:39] Fujitsu: i touch some gnome stuff too - but am very careful, as i dont know that codebase - so do packaging-specific simple stuff, but that'sa bout it [02:39] Yeah. [02:39] realist: of course. unless they were a MOTU as well, of course [02:39] what is k.* [02:39] or a DD, where we'd sync/merge their package from debian [02:39] AnAnt, anything starting with k. [02:39] AnAnt: kubuntu related stuff. [02:40] Hobbsee: does that include kchmviewer ? === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-250-59-127.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:40] AnAnt: i've uploaded that before, yeah [02:40] ogra: that seems a suprisingly small amount of developers [02:40] i think [02:40] Hobbsee: ok cool, it is archived now, awaiting upload I think, can u do that ? [02:40] Hobbsee: I was thinking more along the lines of a DD [02:40] AnAnt: it's on REVU? [02:40] realist, it is ... thats why we need to be careful about ubuntu specific changes [02:40] I'm currently debating where to invest my time [02:41] must have been something else i updated then. [02:41] Hobbsee: yeah, for a week or 2 now [02:41] Weather to maintain Debian, or Ubuntu [02:41] Hobbsee: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3003 [02:41] Hobbsee: it's 2.6 [02:41] realist: what packages to you maintain? [02:42] Hobbsee: last thing you done (as far as I know) was 2.5 [02:42] realist, but the freedom you hve in ubuntu vs debian is unpayable if you want to implement features that require you touching more than one package ... [02:42] Personally, I like the Ubuntu philosphy [02:42] AnAnt: i'd guess that's sittign in NEW [02:42] Hobbsee, it is. [02:42] Hobbsee: well, it got 2 advocates, and I don't understand yet what *NEW* means [02:42] some, like siretart and slomo, maintains both debian and ubuntu :-) [02:42] ogra, siretart; my focus is on security patches [02:43] AnAnt: means it's sitting on https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+queue and no admin has done anything about it yet. [02:43] AnAnt: things take AGES to get thru NEW, usually. [02:43] Hobbsee: or if you ask nicely [02:43] Yeah, unfortunately. [02:43] security is another deal, that has to go throw a mailing-list with reviewers :-) [02:43] siretart: I'm not maintaining any packages (publicly) at this stage [02:43] zul: or that :P [02:43] Hobbsee: begging and pleading also works [02:43] could someone take a look at those packages and maybe upload them to revu? http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=15423&d=1157626360 http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=15424&d=1157626430 [02:44] Hobbsee: meaning that u r not admin ? [02:44] Nafallo: I would eventually like to be on the review panel [02:44] realist: there are security teams on both debian and ubuntu. I don't know how much they work together, but I could imagine it would be a good idea [02:44] AnAnt: indeed. [02:44] zul: hehe, true [02:44] Hobbsee: i see [02:44] AnAnt, there are only 4. [02:44] oh [02:45] siretart: I would like to help facilitate that [02:45] realist: pitti should be who to talk to about security, he is after all the security manager for ubuntu :-) [02:45] but I can't see it in that queue URL [02:45] AnAnt, it's there. [02:45] Filter by kchmviewer. [02:46] Ooh. [02:46]