[12:09] <phanatic> huats: take a python soft package as an example :)
[12:12] <imbrandon> ajmitch, where is the wiki page for it, i can add my ccache config
[12:12] <imbrandon> err pbuilder config for ccache
[12:13] <ajmitch> PbuilderHowto
[12:13] <imbrandon> beligum, basicly short version, you make the ccachedir ( change it to the correct owner for pbuilder ) and add the following lines to pbuilderrc ...
[12:13] <imbrandon> export CCACHE_SIZE="2G"
[12:13] <imbrandon> export CCACHE_DIR="/var/cache/pbuilder/ccache"
[12:13] <imbrandon> export PATH="/usr/lib/ccache:${PATH}"
[12:13] <imbrandon> EXTRAPACKAGES=ccache
[12:13] <imbrandon> BINDMOUNTS="${CCACHE_DIR}"
[12:13] <imbrandon> thats about it
[12:14] <beligum> nice
[12:14] <beligum> thanks
[12:14] <ajmitch> correct owner is usually 1234
[12:14] <Nafallo> hmm
[12:14] <Nafallo> I think I mangle CC and friends aswell :-)
[12:15] <ajmitch> Nafallo: shouldn't need to
[12:15] <imbrandon> you can ( with a hook ) i've seen in some howto's but it dosent seem nessesary
[12:16] <imbrandon> here is the full howto i followed to get pbuilder and ccache and distcc working nicely togather ..... http://edseek.com/~jasonb/articles/pbuilder_backports/advpbuilder.html
[12:16] <imbrandon> Nafallo, ajmitch, beligum ^^
[12:16] <Nafallo> ooh
[12:16] <Nafallo> distcc...
[12:16] <imbrandon> distcc is more of a hack than ccache but it works
[12:16] <ajmitch> distcc is mainly useless since most packages need mangling to use make -j
[12:16] <Nafallo> maybe it's worth linking my girlfriends new computer in... ;-)
[12:16] <ajmitch> many don't work at all
[12:16] <imbrandon> ajmitch, it handles that
[12:17] <imbrandon> it hacks the makeopts , like i said more of a hack
[12:17] <hub> icescream
[12:17] <imbrandon> with some sed magic
[12:17] <ajmitch> imbrandon: yes, but some packages will just fail
[12:17] <xopher> When duploading a package, do I, or someone need to do something for it to appear on the repo?
[12:17] <imbrandon> ajmitch, yea alot will actualy, thats why i stoped using it for the most part ( except kde{base,libs}
[12:17] <ajmitch> I've had to fix makefile.am bugginess in packages I maintain for that
[12:17] <imbrandon> )
[12:18] <ajmitch> xopher: yes, it needs to be reviewed
[12:18] <ajmitch> you need to upload to REVU, and to do that you need to be in the launchpad group
[12:18] <ajmitch> and ask a REVU admin to sync the keyring
[12:18] <ajmitch> (REVU being revu.tauware.de)
[12:19] <xopher> ajmitch, then its cool I guess
[12:19] <ajmitch> xopher: has your package shown up on revu yet?
[12:19] <xopher> Im not uploading to revu..
[12:19] <ajmitch> ok, where are you uploading to?
[12:19] <xopher> Im uploading to quinns compiz repository
[12:20] <ajmitch> I see.
[12:20] <ajmitch> then the question isn't so relevant :)
[12:20] <xopher> ;)
[12:20] <xopher> thanks anyway
[12:21] <beligum> I've some questions regarding the errors lintian gives me when compiling my dll:
[12:21] <beligum> shlib-with-non-pic-code
[12:21] <beligum> non-dev-pkg-with-shlib-symlink
[12:21] <beligum> no-shlibs-control-file
[12:21] <beligum> postinst-must-call-ldconfig
[12:21] <beligum> that's it
[12:22] <beligum> -fPIC is present though.. (using libtool)
[01:00] <dallingham> Sorry for the noob-ish question, but could someone point me to the right place to seek some help on the vpnc client? I've tried ubuntuforums.org, but I almost never get a response to a question there.
[01:01] <crimsun> #ubuntu
[01:01] <sladen> dallingham: or perhaps, the upstream vpnc community directly
[01:02] <dallingham> Thanks.
[01:09] <beligum> is using the -release linker flag, instead of -version-info seriously wrong ?
[01:25] <huats_> I am trying to build my first package using cdbs (and it is also my first package using pbuilder).... I have an error : running install_egg_info
[01:25] <huats_> Writing /tmp/buildd/telepathy-irc-0.1/debian/telepathy-irc/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/telepathy_irc-0.0.0-py2.5.egg-info
[01:25] <huats_> error: /tmp/buildd/telepathy-irc-0.1/debian/telepathy-irc/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/telepathy_irc-0.0.0-py2.5.egg-info: No such file or directory
[01:25] <huats_> does anybody has an idea, what I an do about it ?
[02:07] <TheMuso> imbrandon: Congrats on main upload rights.
[02:07] <Fujitsu> Wow. Congratulations, imbrandon :)
[02:10] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, TheMuso thanks ;)
[02:10] <TheMuso> Welcome.
[02:10] <TheMuso> That was quick.
[02:10] <imbrandon> hehe ;)
[02:10] <imbrandon> not the interview though ( 1+ hour )
[02:10] <imbrandon> lol
[02:10] <TheMuso> I'll bet you were put on the spot.
[02:11] <imbrandon> hehe a bit, not REAL bad, no more than was expected actualy
[02:11] <imbrandon> but i was still nervious
[02:11] <TheMuso> imbrandon: YOu going to the next dev summit?
[02:11] <TheMuso> I'll bet.
[02:11] <imbrandon> yea , rumors it will be in SF ( west coast usa )
[02:11] <TheMuso> Its already been announced.
[02:11] <imbrandon> but not confirmed etc etc etc
[02:12] <imbrandon> oh it has ?
[02:12] <imbrandon> wow i missed that
[02:12] <imbrandon> heh
[02:12] <TheMuso> -dev-announce
[02:12] <Fujitsu> Mountain View.
[02:12] <imbrandon> home on google ;)
[02:12] <imbrandon> s/on/of
[02:12] <crimsun> well, it will be at google hq, so...
[02:13] <zul> google
[02:13] <imbrandon> yea i will probably get to make it this time ( but OTOH i just applied at a company in EU and its looking good so far so who knows i might have to fly back "home" sooner than expected )
[02:13] <TheMuso> Good luck with that
[02:14] <zul> imbrandon: congrats btw
[02:14] <imbrandon> zul, thanks
[02:15] <imbrandon> ok food time brb ( more cheesy noodles )
[02:15] <imbrandon> actualy then i think i'm gonna take a nap, see yall in a few hours
[02:15] <imbrandon> been a long day heheh
[02:15] <TheMuso> cya
[02:15] <imbrandon> hrm it seems i'm not on the devel announce list, figures i'm on all the others
[02:17] <Fujitsu> The entire meeting was devoted to that promotion. That's quite impressive :)_
[02:30] <Fujitsu> Are any syncs going to be processed at any point?
[02:31] <Fujitsu> It's been ages since any have been done...
[02:36] <bddebian> Heya gang
[02:37] <Fujitsu> Hey.
[02:39] <bddebian> Howdy Fujitsu
[02:47] <imbrandon> gnight all
[02:47] <Fujitsu> Bye, main-capable imbrandon :)_
[02:47] <Fujitsu> *:)
[03:04] <Hobbsee> hey all
[03:05] <zul> hey Hobbsee
[03:05] <bddebian> Hi Hobbsee
[03:05] <Hobbsee> hey zul, bddebian :)
[03:07] <bluefoxicy> patch released #99855:  fix for the Lorena Bobbit Virus
[03:07] <bluefoxicy>  Corrects issue allowing malicious code to resize hard drive to the size of a 3.5 inch floppy
[03:14] <Hobbsee> oh cool, they announced the summit stuff
[03:15] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: yep
[03:17] <ajmitch> hopefully I can just drop the knot 3 iso onto this usb stick once released, and have a fully working system
[05:35] <Toadstool> heya everybody
[05:48] <Fujitsu> Hi Toadstool.
[05:53] <Toadstool> hey Fujitsu
[05:53] <Toadstool> er, got to go :/
[05:55] <Fujitsu> Bye.
[06:43] <amachu> hi every one
[06:43] <amachu> am new to MOTU
[06:43] <amachu> need a mentor and guidance
[06:44] <amachu> #join drupal-india
[06:52] <LaserJock> amachu: you might want to take a look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Mentors
[06:53] <LaserJock> and the Ubuntu Packaging Guide
[09:08] <dholbach> HAPPY HUG DAY!
[09:09] <jsgotangco> yay
[09:09] <dholbach> hey zakame
[09:18] <dholbach> imbrandon: congratulations!
[09:22] <zakame> imbrandon: congrats fresh core-dev! :D
[09:23] <superm1> So considering I've got my packages up  at REVU for myththemes and myth-tv, what kind of bribes or asking are needed to get a MOTU to look at them? ;)
[09:34] <Plug> Is mythplugins there also?
[09:34] <Plug> or are you talking source packages?
[09:34] <Plug> (I thought there were three)
[09:41] <superm1> mythplugins won't be up until christian finishes his.  I have one I personally assembled, but I think I'm better off sticking with his since everything else is syncing to him
[09:42] <superm1> but the themes and the main mythtv source packages are both up
[09:42] <Plug> right
[09:43] <superm1> so is it jumping the gun to get someone to look at this at least until the plugins are finished up?
[10:09] <seaLne> which part of dh_install deals with .install files?
[10:10] <Fujitsu> The entirety of it, seaLne?
[10:10] <seaLne> hm
[10:10] <seaLne> without .install files i get no errors but also no files, with them dh_install -s fails trying to cp the files
[10:13] <seaLne> dh_install -s
[10:13] <seaLne> cp: cannot stat `.//usr/bin/aimage': No such file or directory
[10:13] <seaLne> dh_install: command returned error code 256
[10:13] <seaLne> seems like it is looking in the wrong place?
[10:18] <seaLne> the files are in debian/tmp
[10:18] <seaLne> any suggestions?
[10:29] <xerxas> Hi everyone
[10:30] <xerxas> If there is an ITP for a debian package, can I try to package it for ubuntu ?
[10:31] <dholbach> xerxas: sure, we "don't care" about ITPs
[10:31] <xerxas> ok
[10:31] <dholbach> it's just good if you work together with the debian maintainer and merge with him
[10:31] <xerxas> dholbach,  I want to try to package tangerine, a daap server written in mono
[10:31] <seaLne> if it was only recently filed it might be nice to wait abit?
[10:31] <xerxas> I have not find any package of it
[10:32] <xerxas> http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/being_packaged.en.html says it's being packaged for 108 days
[10:32] <shawarma> seaLne: Add debian/tmp to your paths..
[10:32] <zakame> you ping the ITPer
[10:32] <xerxas> do I have to take care of some special stuff for mono programs ?
[10:32] <shawarma> seaLne: See the dh_install man page.
[10:32] <xerxas> add some dependency ... ?
[10:32] <seaLne> shawarma: /me looks thanks
[10:33] <xerxas> Package: wnpp; Maintainer for wnpp is wnpp@debian.org.
[10:33] <xerxas> Reported by: Lennart Poettering <mzqrooht@0pointer.de>; Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 16:33:11 UTC.
[10:33] <xerxas> Owned by: Jack Bates <ms419@freezone.co.uk>.
[10:33] <xerxas> who should I ping ?
[10:33] <xerxas> Lennart ? or Jack Bates ?
[10:33] <xerxas> Reported by is the RFP ?
[10:33] <xerxas> Jack Bates have done the ITP ?
[10:37] <slomo_> xerxas: tangerine is already packaged and uploaded to debian
[10:37] <slomo_> xerxas: if that's the one you mean... tseng did it
[10:37] <xerxas> slomo_,  ok
[10:38] <xerxas> it's not in ubuntu though
[10:38] <xerxas> right ?
[10:38] <xerxas> not in edgy
[10:38] <slomo_> will be synced once it's from NEW in debian
[10:38] <zakame> xerxas: both
[10:38] <xerxas> ok
[10:38] <xerxas> zakame, both what ?
[10:38] <zakame> I mean ping obth to see what's up
[10:38] <zakame> *both
[10:38] <xerxas> zakame,  ok
[10:38] <zakame> sticky keyb
[10:38] <xerxas> whatever, I don't need to apprently
[10:38] <xerxas> as tangerine will come soon in edgy
[10:39] <zakame> ah, well
[10:42] <seaLne> shawarma: sorry i'm still a bit confused afflib.install has lines like /usr/bin/aimage which is what i see in other packages, is that not correct?
[10:43] <shawarma> seaLne: No. Prepend debian/tmp
[10:44] <shawarma> seaLne: In which package have you seen absolute paths in a .install file?
[10:46] <seaLne> hmm
[10:47] <seaLne> ok it looks like i was mis remembering
[10:50] <seaLne> shawarma: thanks, i guess my memory is broken
[10:51] <seaLne> if upstream includes word docs is it ok to install then in the doc dir?
[10:52] <seaLne> it feels wrong but the info they have is quite usefull
[11:07] <seaLne> would buildeping on antiword and converting them be bad?
[11:08] <Fujitsu> Probably...
[11:09] <seaLne> Fujitsu: so just ignore them?
[11:09] <Fujitsu> I think so.
[11:09] <seaLne> k
[11:24] <Mithrandir> what's William Alexander Grant's IRC nick?
[11:25] <Lathiat> 'fujitsu' i think
[11:26] <Mithrandir> Fujitsu: hi, saw your toursst upload.  The version number you used there seems to be wrong.
[11:26] <Fujitsu> Mithrandir, hi.. No, it's right.
[11:26] <Fujitsu> It needs to be that.
[11:26] <Fujitsu> As 0.0.3ubuntu1 > 0.0.3-0.1.
[11:27] <Fujitsu> It was discussed here.
[11:27] <Mithrandir> 0.0.3ubuntu1 < 0.0.3-1, though
[11:27] <Lathiat> but then you eat into the debian version?
[11:27] <Fujitsu> Is it?
[11:28] <Mithrandir> uh, sorry, 0.0.3ubuntu1 > 0.0.3-1
[11:28] <Mithrandir> which means we can't ever sync 0.0.3 versions again.
[11:28] <Fujitsu> Mithrandir, that's what happens when Debian adds a -0.1. There was no other way.
[11:29] <Lathiat> oh, i get it, hrm
[11:29] <Mithrandir> Fujitsu: what's wrong with 0.0.3-0.1ubuntu1 ?
[11:29] <Fujitsu> Isn't 0.0.3ubuntu1 > 0.0.3-0.1ubuntu1?
[11:30] <Mithrandir> yes, and?
[11:30] <Fujitsu> 0.0.3ubuntu1 already existed.
[11:30] <Fujitsu> So 0.0.3-0.1ubuntu1 would have been less than the existing version.
[11:30] <Mithrandir> oh, true.
[11:30] <Fujitsu> Debian had a native package, then made a non-native-NMU.
[11:30] <Fujitsu> It's the same with carpaltunnel.
[11:31] <Fujitsu> (also mine)
[11:31] <Fujitsu> It should have been 0.0.3.1 when Debian uploaded it, not 0.0.3-0.1.
[11:31] <Mithrandir> you should note that in the changelog, though.   "NMU version means a merge is required" isn't very self-explanatory.
[11:31] <Mithrandir> no, it shouldn't.  Version numbering of native packages is undefined.
[11:32] <Fujitsu> That's pretty silly...
[11:32] <Fujitsu> But yes, the changelog could probably have been more verbose.
[11:32] <Fujitsu> Sorry.
[11:32] <Mithrandir> *shrug*; native packages should be rare anyway.
[11:32] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: "screwed versioning" also works.
[11:32] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: or "fake-syncing due to bad versioning.  no ubuntu changes"
[11:34] <Fujitsu> Shouldn't there be a policy regarding NMUs on native packages?
[11:34] <Mithrandir> Fujitsu: maybe
[11:34] <Mithrandir> but there isn't.
[11:34] <thom> Fujitsu: "don't screw up your numbering"?
[11:35] <Hobbsee> thom: yeah, well.  if we shot those who screwed it in the first place....
[11:35] <Fujitsu> thom, haha.
[11:35] <Fujitsu> I hoped I hadn't made a nasty mistake >_<
[11:39] <seaLne> does help2man create strangely formated manpages?
[11:42] <Fujitsu> seaLne, check?
[11:42] <seaLne> well they look a bit weird
[11:42] <Fujitsu> Probably, then.
[11:43] <seaLne> :)
[12:54] <Fujitsu> Anything using CDBS' kde.mk doesn't need dh_iconcache explicitly, right?
[01:00] <seaLne> anyone know what the correct way to deal with point 6 in /usr/share/doc/libssl-dev/copyright for a package using ssl copyright file?
[01:26] <dholbach> Fujitsu: yes
[01:26] <dholbach> Fujitsu: if it's not a custom cdbs in debian/
[01:26] <Fujitsu> dholbach, I thought so, after reading kde.mk.
[01:26] <Fujitsu> Thanks :)
[02:03] <siretart> Hobbsee: you pinged me some time ago about xine
[02:04] <siretart> Hobbsee: I finally managed to remerge the debian package, which should contain some lp bugs. are you interested to test/review my branch?
[02:04] <siretart> I still don't have internet at home, so I can only access an quite outdated edgy mirror
[02:04] <Hobbsee> siretart: heya.  yes.
[02:06] <siretart> Hobbsee: https://launchpad.net/people/siretart/+branch/xine-lib/xine-lib.ubuntu-main+repacked1.1.1.2
[02:06] <siretart> Hobbsee: it contains a debian/rules rule for creating the orig.tar.gz
[02:06] <Hobbsee> siretart: cool.  i'm not sure i'd find much use for it though - i'm not the one who gets most of the bugs.
[02:07] <siretart> Hobbsee: yes, xine-lib has a lot of strange bugs. the debian bts is also full of it, and I spend weeks with triaging them. thats why I wasn't too active in ubuntu land lately
[02:07] <Hobbsee> siretart: fair enough
[02:07] <siretart> Hobbsee: all my work on the debian side is in that branch. so I'd be really happy if we could base further work on that branch
[02:07] <tseng> StevenK: stop touching her pad
[02:07] <tseng> or something
[02:08] <siretart> hrhr
[02:08] <tseng> :(
[02:08] <Hobbsee> siretart: it's your choice, i expect?
[02:08] <siretart> Hobbsee: err, what choice?
[02:09] <Hobbsee> siretart: ie, it'd be your choice to make your changes in debian, then just keep syncing to ubuntu?
[02:09] <Hobbsee> if you're the debian maintainer, of course
[02:09] <siretart> Hobbsee: I do maintain xine-lib in debian. siggi (the man in the maintainer field) is pretty mia
[02:10] <StevenK> Hah. Pretty MIA
[02:10] <StevenK> Siggi grabbed xine and co and then basically dropped off the net
[02:10] <ajmitch> hi
[02:10] <siretart> Hobbsee: we cannot just sync xine from debian, because we need to strip off ffmpeg, libfaad and libmad from the package, which is a real PITA
[02:10] <siretart> StevenK: you know siggi?
[02:10] <Hobbsee> ahhh...
[02:10] <StevenK> siretart: Spoken to him a few times
[02:10] <Hobbsee> hey ajmitch
[02:11] <StevenK> siretart: As Hobbsee had found out, I know most of the active DDs
[02:11] <StevenK> s/had/has/
[02:11] <siretart> StevenK: he answered one or two bugmails in the last 6 months, so he seems to be somewhat reachable via email
[02:11] <siretart> StevenK: but he hasn't uploaded anything the last 3 or 4 years (!)
[02:12] <StevenK> Muaha
[02:12] <StevenK> Sounds like him
[02:12] <siretart> and xine-lib was in a really bad shape. so I started to work on that
[02:13] <siretart> now I'm waiting for DAM approval. I think if I don't see any serious activity from him until then, I'll point the maintainer field to my @debian.org adress (if I become approved, that is)
[02:17] <siretart> StevenK: GRRR! :)
[02:18] <StevenK> siretart: You saw it?
[02:18] <siretart> StevenK: how much did you need to pay? ;)
[02:18] <StevenK> Hah! Nothing.
[02:18] <StevenK> I spoke to elmo about it, it was basically luck on my part.
[02:18] <siretart> one week from application to account creation isn't too bad :)
[02:19] <StevenK> I had joeyh as my advocate and tbm as my AM, and I managed to hit DAM approval a few days before elmo went and created accounts for a few people.
[02:20] <siretart> currently Ganneff seems to be very busy with NEW, cdrkit and other duties to review some NMs..
[02:21] <StevenK> Hah, back in my day, Ganneff wasn't even a DD.
[02:21] <siretart> Hobbsee: I've just noticed that I missed a build dependency on libdts. please pull your branch
[02:22] <Hobbsee> siretart: i havent touched it yet, i've been dealing with a rogue touchpad
[02:22] <Mithrandir> StevenK: you're one of the people who actually got an advocate.  Some of us even predate that.
[02:22] <StevenK> Mithrandir: Hush
[02:22] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:22] <siretart> StevenK: I have the impression that elmo doesn't look at the NMs any longer, but relies on Ganneff's review, and only creates accounts in a batch.
[02:23] <StevenK> Mithrandir: Herbert even pre-dated NM
[02:23] <StevenK> siretart: I suspect so.
[02:23] <siretart> my impression may be wrong of course. but as NM you don't see behind the curtains..
[02:23] <siretart> Hobbsee: ah, ok
[02:34] <Hobbsee> realist: not everyone can upload
[02:35] <Hobbsee> only masters of the universe, and core devs, can upload to the universe.
[02:35] <Hobbsee> anyone else needs to get sponsored by someone in one of the above two teams
[02:35] <siretart> Hobbsee: -ECHAN ;)
[02:35] <Hobbsee> siretart: hmm?
[02:36] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, that was in #-devel.
[02:36] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[02:36] <siretart> ah
[02:36] <siretart> never mind
[02:36] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: yes, i then said "lets' take this to -motu"
[02:36] <Hobbsee> :P
[02:36] <realist> I still don't follow the QA procedures then
[02:36] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, hence the `Ah.'
[02:36] <Hobbsee> realist: well, people like Fujitsu cant upload - they can write patches, etc, and we can look at them and upload them if they're good, or reject them if they're  bad.
[02:36] <Fujitsu> realist, if anybody could upload to universe, my current tasks would be done a whole lot more quickly :)
[02:37] <realist> Once someone becomes a MOTU, they can modify any code, package it, and upload?
[02:37] <Hobbsee> realist: well, yes.  within universe
[02:37] <Fujitsu> realist, in universe, not main or restricted.
[02:37] <siretart> Fujitsu: + multiverse
[02:37] <Hobbsee> realist: it's not easy to get MOTU though
[02:37] <Fujitsu> siretart, true.
[02:37] <Hobbsee> siretart: oh we can get to multiverse as well can we?  cool
[02:37] <siretart> sure. universe and multiverse share upload permissions
[02:37] <Hobbsee> realist: and most people who get MOTU wont screw up
[02:37] <realist> So how many MOTU are looking after how many packages I wonder?
[02:37] <Hobbsee> ah right
[02:37] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, it is fortunately not easy. Or universe would be full of crap, and I'd be a MOTU :P
[02:38] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: hehe
[02:38] <realist> How can _every_ MOTU, be familiar with the codebase of _every_ package?
[02:38] <Fujitsu> realist, they're not.
[02:38] <Hobbsee> they're not
[02:38] <Hobbsee> so most of the time they only modify what they know
[02:38] <realist> Precisely
[02:38] <siretart> realist: see the -changes list for an impression who touches what package.
[02:38] <ogra> realist, https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-dev says we have 53 motus
[02:38] <Fujitsu> For example, Hobbsee touches k.*
[02:38] <siretart> realist: in theory, everyone can touch almost every package, but in practice everyone has his 'pet' packages
[02:39] <siretart> realist: and the whole universe wouldn't work if we hadn't many reliable mantainers of the packages in debian
[02:39] <realist> So for example, if someone who _wrote_ the upstream codebase, and was packaging .debs, would you check their code before you merged their changes to universe?
[02:39] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: i touch some gnome stuff too - but am very careful, as i dont know that codebase - so do packaging-specific simple stuff, but that'sa bout it
[02:39] <Fujitsu> Yeah.
[02:39] <Hobbsee> realist: of course.  unless they were a MOTU as well, of course
[02:39] <AnAnt> what is k.*
[02:39] <Hobbsee> or a DD, where we'd sync/merge their package from debian
[02:39] <Fujitsu> AnAnt, anything starting with k.
[02:39] <Hobbsee> AnAnt: kubuntu related stuff.
[02:40] <AnAnt> Hobbsee: does that include kchmviewer ?
[02:40] <Hobbsee> AnAnt: i've uploaded that before, yeah
[02:40] <realist> ogra: that seems a suprisingly small amount of developers
[02:40] <Hobbsee> i think
[02:40] <AnAnt> Hobbsee: ok cool, it is archived now, awaiting upload I think, can u do that ?
[02:40] <realist> Hobbsee: I was thinking more along the lines of a DD
[02:40] <Hobbsee> AnAnt: it's on REVU?
[02:40] <ogra> realist, it is ... thats why we need to be careful about ubuntu specific changes
[02:40] <realist> I'm currently debating where to invest my time
[02:41] <Hobbsee> must have been something else i updated then.
[02:41] <AnAnt> Hobbsee: yeah, for a week or 2 now
[02:41] <realist> Weather to maintain Debian, or Ubuntu
[02:41] <AnAnt> Hobbsee: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3003
[02:41] <AnAnt> Hobbsee: it's 2.6
[02:41] <siretart> realist: what packages to you maintain?
[02:42] <AnAnt> Hobbsee: last thing you done (as far as I know) was 2.5
[02:42] <ogra> realist, but the freedom you hve in ubuntu vs debian is unpayable if you want to implement features that require you touching more than one package ...
[02:42] <realist> Personally, I like the Ubuntu philosphy
[02:42] <Hobbsee> AnAnt: i'd guess that's sittign in NEW
[02:42] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, it is.
[02:42] <AnAnt> Hobbsee: well, it got 2 advocates, and I don't understand yet what *NEW* means
[02:42] <Nafallo> some, like siretart and slomo, maintains both debian and ubuntu :-)
[02:42] <realist> ogra, siretart; my focus is on security patches
[02:43] <Hobbsee> AnAnt: means it's sitting on https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+queue and no admin has done anything about it yet.
[02:43] <Hobbsee> AnAnt: things take AGES to get thru NEW, usually.
[02:43] <zul> Hobbsee: or if you ask nicely
[02:43] <Fujitsu> Yeah, unfortunately.
[02:43] <Nafallo> security is another deal, that has to go throw a mailing-list with reviewers :-)
[02:43] <realist> siretart: I'm not maintaining any packages (publicly) at this stage
[02:43] <Hobbsee> zul: or that :P
[02:43] <zul> Hobbsee: begging and pleading also works
[02:43] <frandavid100> could someone take a look at those packages and maybe upload them to revu? http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=15423&d=1157626360 http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=15424&d=1157626430
[02:44] <AnAnt> Hobbsee: meaning that u r not admin ?
[02:44] <realist> Nafallo: I would eventually like to be on the review panel
[02:44] <siretart> realist: there are security teams on both debian and ubuntu. I don't know how much they work together, but I could imagine it would be a good idea
[02:44] <Hobbsee> AnAnt: indeed.
[02:44] <Hobbsee> zul: hehe, true
[02:44] <AnAnt> Hobbsee: i see
[02:44] <Fujitsu> AnAnt, there are only 4.
[02:44] <AnAnt> oh
[02:45] <realist> siretart: I would like to help facilitate that
[02:45] <Nafallo> realist: pitti should be who to talk to about security, he is after all the security manager for ubuntu :-)
[02:45] <AnAnt> but I can't see it in that queue URL
[02:45] <Fujitsu> AnAnt, it's there.
[02:45] <Fujitsu> Filter by kchmviewer.
[02:46] <Fujitsu> Ooh.
[02:46] <Fujitsu> It's not there anymore.
[02:46] <realist> Nafallo: hence why I initially brought the topic up in -devel, rather than here
[02:47] <Nafallo> :-)
[02:47] <Hobbsee> frandavid100: cclcfox has no man page.
[02:47] <Hobbsee> realist: feel free to take it back there
[02:47] <Fujitsu> Ooh.
[02:47] <frandavid100> that means it can't be uploaded?
[02:47] <Nafallo> realist: if you would have said your main area where security he would probably have jumped right at you ;-)
[02:47] <Fujitsu> Anyone feel like looking at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3084?
[02:48] <realist> Nafallo: how do you mean, "jumped right at you"?
[02:49] <realist> Basically I'm watching vulnerability reports like a hawk, and often patch my code before a fixed package has been released
[02:49] <Nafallo> realist: ehrm, would probably have started talking to you right away :-).
[02:49] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: looks good to me
[02:49] <Nafallo> if he's not busy with something that is...
[02:50] <realist> That's okay, I'll send them an e-mail when I'm more organised
[02:50] <Nafallo> nice :-).
[02:50] <Fujitsu> Thankyou, Hobbsee :)
[02:50] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: were you going to implement bddebian's request?
[02:50] <Nafallo> realist: you probably want to sign up with security-review@lists.ubuntu.com at some point :-)
[02:51] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, should they actually be in -data?
[02:51] <realist> Nafallo: I probably already am
[02:51] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: i dont know.  i would suspect so, if bddebian's mentoined it
[02:51] <realist> Actually, no - it's security-announce
[02:53] <Nafallo> realist: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityUpdateProcedures is good reading as well :-)
[02:53] <realist> I should also contact Martin and Moritz from Debian
[02:54] <realist> I'm sure Martin Pitt is already in contact with them
[02:54] <realist> (Not entirely sure on the status of Debian/Ubuntu collaboration)
[02:54] <realist> Presumption on my behalf that for security fixes, it would be active
[02:55] <realist> Hobbsee, Nafallo; thanks for your direction.
[02:56] <Nafallo> np
[02:56] <siretart> realist: pitti is IIRC also a member of the debian security team. at least he was a candidate for that
[02:56] <Nafallo> I think he forwards patches after fixing them in Ubuntu at the very least.
[02:56] <siretart> realist: I think you should ask him directly
[02:57] <realist> siretart: don't worry, I intend to
[03:07] <Amaranth> Whoa, that went up fast. My launchpad karma is 220655
[03:08] <Amaranth> haha, seb128 has 9 million
[03:20] <VolkA> hi
[03:21] <Fujitsu> Hi, VolkA.
[03:22] <VolkA> i have a question regarding the "zeroc-ice" packages. they are version 3.0.1 in edgy, in debian etch there are already 3.1 packages. could someone tell me if they are gone to be included in the edgy release?
[03:23] <VolkA> (i'm trying to decide wether to install a server with edgy or etch)
[03:24] <realist> VolkA: edgy is frozen AFAIK
[03:25] <ajmitch> universe isn't frozen yet
[03:25] <ajmitch> so there's still a chance
[03:25] <ajmitch> they have to be manually synced (or merged) though
[03:26] <ajmitch> I'm off ot bed
[03:26] <ajmitch> s/ot/to/
[03:26] <VolkA> cool ...
[03:26] <Hobbsee> night ajmitch
[03:26] <VolkA> is there something i can do to help?
[03:26] <VolkA> good night
[03:26] <realist> Feel free to build, package, and test it
[03:27] <realist> Then pester an MOTU :-)
[03:27] <VolkA> ok, i'm going to upgrade to edgy and see if the packages from debian work ...
[03:28] <VolkA> i think the 3.0.1 packages are also just copied from debian
[03:29] <Nafallo> yepp, lookes like it...
[03:33] <realist> VolkA: you might just want to try it from an edgy chroot
[03:33] <realist> Should only take 10 mins to set one up, rather than upgrading your entire existing set-up
[03:34] <VolkA> yep, but i wantet to try edgy anyway :-)
[04:03] <xopher> Can I build edgy packages using dapper if mu pbuilder chroot image is using edgy repos? (Just making sure )
[04:03] <geser> yes
[04:05] <realist> Isn't that the whole idea?
[04:16] <Adri2000> nobody available to check a package on revu ?
[04:29] <hub> Adri2000: which one
[04:30] <Adri2000> hub: djplay : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3071
[04:38] <Adri2000> hub: thank you for the review !
[04:40] <Adri2000> i know the problem of the big diff.gz, but i don't know what is the best way to fix it
[04:41] <jonh_wendell> Hi folks. Is there any change of a package at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Documentation be part of edgy?
[04:47] <Nafallo> :-O
[04:47] <Nafallo> what a big tree :-P
[05:00] <beligum> Hi all, I have a problem when doing a sudo pbuilder build mylib.dsc :
[05:00] <beligum> Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info.
[05:02] <beligum> is this bad, or should I ignore it?
[05:03] <trappist> beligum: can you sudo anything else?
[05:03] <beligum> yep
[05:42] <siretart> is universe frozen as well?
[05:43] <ogra> siretart, in sept 28th afaik ...
[05:43] <ogra> the schedule should tell you
[05:44] <Nafallo> maybe the whole publisher is frozen atm?
[05:45] <siretart> ogra: I've just uploaded libdts to edgy, got the accepted mail, but it didn't appear yet on edgy-changes (as opposed to whats in that accepted mail)
[05:46] <ogra> i have the same prob with edubuntu-meta it seems
[05:47] <ogra> siretart, see -devel
[05:51] <VolkA> re
[05:52] <VolkA> i just tested the new zeroc ice 3.1 packages from debian - they work fine - is there a chance they will be included?
[05:57] <VolkA> is there someone i could ask for it, or mail info on the packages i tested?
[06:00] <Nafallo> VolkA: have people here answer now would be better ;-)
[06:05] <VolkA> yes - so i have upgraded to the current edgy and installed all packages and dependencies from the metapackage zeroc-ice_3.1.0-2_all.deb
[06:06] <VolkA> i had to fix the python first to get ice-python to install, but the packages themselves seam to work just fine
[06:07] <bddebian> Heya gang
[06:08] <Nafallo> bddebian: hi! now help VolkA request a sync of zeroc-ice :-)
[06:09] <bddebian> Hello Nafallo
[06:10] <Nafallo> :-)
[06:11] <VolkA> ok, i'll post again ...
 yes - so i have upgraded to the current edgy and installed all packages and dependencies from the metapackage zeroc-ice_3.1.0-2_all.deb
 i had to fix the python first to get ice-python to install, but the packages themselves seam to work just fine
[06:11] <VolkA> the zeroc-ice from etch ...
[06:12] <Nafallo> bddebian: I have no idea of the current procedures in doing syncs from Debian, so if you would like to tell us, that would be great :-)
[06:12] <bddebian> zeroc-ice-python is on the merges list
[06:12] <VolkA> yes, it depends on python2.3, which seams to be broken at the moment
[06:13] <Nafallo> why is it there? right not it's a build1 in edgy :-)
[06:13] <Nafallo> and zeroc-ice is a plain sync atm. no ubuntu or build what so ever :-)
[06:14] <bddebian> Why can't zeroc-ice-python be a sync now?
[06:15] <Nafallo> but then again...
[06:15] <Nafallo> my devel-system is still without power :-/
[06:17] <bddebian> Can we still request syncs?
[06:17] <Nafallo> I have no idea :-)
[06:17] <Nafallo> I would guess, since the UUVF still haven't gone into action. or has it?
[06:18] <bddebian> Not sure
[06:18] <bddebian> Hah, I'm not on the Top Contributors list anymore.. :-)
[06:20] <bddebian> Hmm, can't meet build dep for slice2py.  Trying to update my pbuilder now..
[06:23] <bddebian> Nafallo / VolkA: We need a newer version of slice2py in Edgy it appears
[06:23] <VolkA> why, where's the error?
[06:25] <bddebian> Pbuilding zeroc-ice-python
[06:25] <bddebian>  -> Considering  slice2py (>= 3.1.0)
[06:25] <bddebian>       Tried versions: 3.0.1-4
[06:25] <bddebian>    -> Does not satisfy version, not trying
[06:25] <bddebian> E: Could not satisfy build-dependency.
[06:25] <bddebian> E: pbuilder-satisfydepends failed.
[06:26] <VolkA> hm, the etch package is slice2py_3.1.0-2_i386.deb
[06:27] <VolkA> seams to work
[06:27] <bddebian> Not according to packages.ubuntu.com
[06:27] <bddebian> Hmm
[06:28] <VolkA> would a complete list of packages i copied from the etch repository help?
[06:28] <bddebian> Are you running Edgy currently?
[06:28] <VolkA> ye
[06:28] <VolkA> s
[06:28] <bddebian> What does apt-cache madison slice2py yeild?
[06:29] <VolkA> just updated, and then installed the ice packages
[06:29] <VolkA>   slice2py |    3.0.1-4 | http://de.archive.ubuntu.com edgy/universe Packages
[06:29] <VolkA>  zeroc-ice |    3.0.1-4 | http://de.archive.ubuntu.com edgy/universe Sources
[06:30] <bddebian> Exactly
[06:30] <VolkA> but i didn't use apt for ice - just downloaded the debs and used dpkg -i to see if it works
[06:30] <bddebian> Downloaded from where?
[06:30] <Nafallo> apt-cache policy would have been better then :-P
[06:30] <VolkA> packages.debian.org
[06:30] <bddebian> Gah
[06:31] <VolkA> :-) i think so, but i didn't know how to do it - so this was fast and seamed to work :-)
[06:34] <bddebian> OK, I'm trying to build zeroc-ice source package from Debian now, give me a few
[06:35] <Nafallo> the proper way would have involved a local repo and rebuilding everything you dpkg -i'd :-)
[06:35] <VolkA> ok ;-)
[06:36] <beligum> I changed my uid for my GPG key (deleted the comment), but now I can't upload to REVU anymore, can somenbody help me?
[06:39] <sladen> beligum: siretart ^^
[06:40] <beligum> hmm, he's not here
[06:40] <beligum> Can I try something else, like deleting and re-uploading my key ?
[06:40] <sladen> beligum: no, but he does have scrollback
[06:41] <sladen> beligum: you should be able to change UIDs fine.  An upload will just recombine it with the existing key
[06:41] <sladen> beligum: you'll need to revoke it
[06:42] <beligum> sladen: I revoked it, but then deleted it
[06:42] <beligum> (have a backup though)
[06:43] <beligum> Problem is, when I upload to revu, I immediately get an email: Signer has no upload rights at all to this distribution.
[06:44] <beligum> Excuse my impatience, I'll wait for siretart
[06:52] <sladen> siretart: is REVU incorrectly using a uid, rather than the key-id to authorise uploads?
[06:52] <sladen> siretart: that might explain why it was failing on my key aswell (where the registered uid is /not/ the first one)
[06:54] <mr_pouit> sladen, but I think you can specify one per default when you edit your key (i don't remember exactly how ^^)
[06:55] <sladen> mr_pouit: since GPG 2.8.something, you can
[06:57] <mr_pouit> ah, ok
[07:05] <AnAnt> bddebian: hide
[07:06] <AnAnt> bddebian: you got any idea how to fix that manpage problem ?
[07:07] <AnAnt> bddebian: and what did you mean by "Is the header in debian/copyright enough?"
[07:07] <bddebian> AnAnt: I was poking through the manpage yesterday and it seems that most of them are just that the lines are too long.  If you do man -l ./foo.5 it will tell you what lines fail and you can just move part of the line to the next line
[07:07] <bddebian> AnAnt: It doesn't have the FSF address and stuff in there.  I don't know if it's required, I don't do licenses stuff
[07:08] <AnAnt> bddebian: what *stuff* ?
[07:10] <bddebian> AnAnt: Look at the header on this page:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Reviewing?action=show&redirect=MOTUReviewingGuide
[07:15] <bddebian> Damn this freakin' zeroc-ice is taking forever
[07:16] <VolkA> you mean building it? or does it make problems?
[07:17] <bddebian> No building :)
[07:17] <VolkA> yep, all c++ ... reallly slows it down :)
[07:17] <AnAnt> yeah, that's why I hate C++
[07:17] <AnAnt> slow compile & slow run
[07:19] <VolkA> :-) at runtime it's ok ...
[07:33] <sebest> hi , i uploaded a package with dput on REVU and i don't see it appearing on the revu.tauware.de homepage
[07:33] <sebest> the package is php5-eaccelerator
[07:34] <sebest> could anyone tell me what is wrong with my upload?
[07:36] <LaserJock> sebest: eaccelerator?
[07:36] <sebest> LaserJock, yes?
[07:37] <LaserJock> sebest: are you in the ubuntu-universe-contributors LP team?
[07:41] <sebest> LaserJock, no i'm not
[07:41] <sebest> i contribute packages from time to time
[07:41] <LaserJock> sebest: ok, join that LP team
[07:41] <LaserJock> REVU's authentication is run through that now
[07:43] <sebest> LaserJock, i joined
[07:43] <sebest> i thought the auth was with the gpg key
[07:43] <LaserJock> well, it now looks at the gpg key for your LP id
[07:45] <sebest> LaserJock, should i reupload it?
[07:45] <LaserJock> sebest: hmm, I think it takes time to sync the keys
[07:45] <LaserJock> siretart: ping?
[07:45] <LaserJock> lets see if a REVU admin is awake
[07:46] <sebest> ok
[07:48] <xerxas> Hi
[07:52] <LaserJock> sebest: :/ it seems nobody is awake presently
[07:52] <xerxas> I want make a package with cdbs and /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/python-distutils.mk
[07:52] <sebest> LaserJock, thanx, i'll come back asking later on
[07:52] <xerxas> it's the first time I use cdbs , can I use dh-make to debianze the directory ?
[07:52] <LaserJock> sebest: yeah, and if I spot one I'll have them clear it out, etc.
[07:53] <sebest> LaserJock, thank you
[07:53] <LaserJock> xerxas: yeah, I think when you run dh_make it gives you a cdbs option
[07:57] <xerxas> how should I name a directory tha I'll dh_make with revision 37 on a bzr repository ?
[07:58] <xerxas> LaserJock: thanks
[08:20] <siretart> hey
[08:20] <siretart> sladen: sort of, but a bit different
[08:20] <siretart> sladen: revu uses username/pw pairs, which are stored in the database
[08:21] <siretart> sladen: the username is taken from the Changed-By: field of accepted uploads
[08:22] <siretart> sladen: the password recovery encrypts against that username, which is supposed to be part of the gpg file
[08:23] <bddebian> VolkA: Sync request for zeroc-ice and zeroc-ice-python submitted.
[08:26] <LaserJock> sladen: heah!
[08:26] <LaserJock> grr
[08:26] <LaserJock> siretart I meant
[08:27] <LaserJock> siretart: could you sync the revu keys and remove eaccelerator from incoming?
[08:28] <siretart> a sec
[08:28] <LaserJock> siretart: np, it's for sebest
[08:33] <fowlduck> hey, whoever cares, it looks like guidance-power-manager works now
[08:33] <fowlduck> it's not randomly spewing crap at me
[08:34] <fowlduck> it's still terrible in judging how much time is left though, it says i have 16 hours of battery, woohoo!
[08:38] <huats_> I have added my ssh key to launchpad, do I have to wait a bit (like with openpgp keys) before I can push with bzr ?
[08:40] <LaserJock> perhaps
[08:40] <siretart> LaserJock: keyring synced
[08:40] <LaserJock> sebest: ^^
[08:45] <huats_> Ok I don't know what's wrong. I want to push a branch on launchpad but bzr push  keeps tell me that "0 revision(s) pushed."  It is a bit OT, but it is quite related to ubuntu...
[08:46] <VolkA> bddebian: thanks, thats great!
[08:46] <huats_> and it creates a file sftp: in my rep
[08:48] <iGama> Hello
[08:49] <iGama> just have 1 question...
[08:50] <sladen> iGama: ...then ask it
[08:50] <sladen> :)
[08:50] <iGama> i wanna submit a proposol of a package ( im writing it :p )
[08:50] <iGama> its not a new software
[08:50] <iGama> its a myspell dictionary
[08:50] <iGama> of a language thats not in the repositorys
[08:51] <iGama> its found in the debian unstable repos,
[08:51] <iGama> s, where do i do the sugestion ? in the MOTU/Packages/Candidates?
[08:52] <LaserJock> iGama: if it's already in sid then it would just need be synced
[08:52] <LaserJock> first verified that it builds, etc. in edgy
[08:52] <iGama> yep
[08:52] <iGama> im using it
[08:52] <iGama> instaled that .deb
[08:53] <iGama> its the myspell-pt-pt, and other pt_PT dictionaries like aspell and that
[08:53] <iGama> dont know if its in sid also :s
[08:53] <iGama> have to check
[08:57] <iGama> LaserJock,  yes tha package is in sid
[08:57] <LaserJock> iGama: I guess you could file a bug for a sync then, explaining everything
[08:58] <iGama> ok
[08:58] <iGama> thanks :)
[09:03] <imbrandon> LaserJock, i think me and you are the only ones not asking for travel sponsors hehe
[09:03] <LaserJock> maybe that means we'll get in ;-)
[09:03] <imbrandon> hehe
[09:04] <imbrandon> i could probably swing it even if not , but i dont know for sure
[09:04] <LaserJock> "these guys are cheap, we'll let them come" ;-)
[09:04] <imbrandon> hehe
[09:05] <imbrandon> well if i wasnt in the US or if it was outside the US it would be diffrent but i can get a round trip ticket for like $300, thats not too bad
[09:05] <imbrandon> ( to mt view )
[09:06] <imbrandon> OR i could spend the weekend before and after driving to/from but that might be a pita LOL
[09:07] <imbrandon> heh you and burger ( and some others i'm missing ) JUST came from google too lol
[09:07] <sladen> imbrandon: driving to/from where?
[09:07] <imbrandon> sladen, Kansas  City to Mt view Cali
[09:08] <imbrandon> dev summit
[09:08] <sladen> imbrandon: oooh, can you just click your heels three times :)
[09:08] <imbrandon> hehehe
[09:08] <imbrandon> only what 1200 miles ;)
[09:18] <iGama> LaserJock, thanks, just submitted the bug :)
[09:19] <LaserJock> cool
[09:19] <AnAnt> LaserJock: can I trick you to review a package ?
[09:19] <LaserJock> not today I'm afraid :(
[09:19] <AnAnt> k
[09:19] <LaserJock> I have to write the Edgy version of the Ubuntu Packaging Guide toda :/
[09:20] <superm1> Laserjokc, When's a good time to come on to find a MOTU with time for reviews?
[09:20] <AnAnt> superm1: after Edgy is released maybe ?
[09:20] <superm1> haha
[09:20] <LaserJock> hard to say really
[09:21] <LaserJock> I don't think right now is great though
[09:21] <LaserJock> time zone issues are always difficult
[09:21] <superm1> yea I can see that
[09:21] <superm1> are most the MOTUs in EU, or US or where?
[09:21] <LaserJock> EU I should think
[09:22] <LaserJock> and australiaish
[09:22] <superm1> okay so night time US time would probably be better luck to find more MOTUs in the channel then
[09:22] <superm1> that works
[09:22] <LaserJock> there are a few of us American/Canadia types
[09:22] <superm1> I'll check back in later tonight
[09:23] <LaserJock> I know it's hard guys
[09:23] <LaserJock> but we are doing as much as we can
[09:23] <bddebian> Bah, speak for yourself ;-P
[09:23] <LaserJock> ah, I wondered when he would surface
[09:23] <AnAnt> yup
[09:23] <LaserJock> punish him with a revu
[09:23] <superm1> I'm sure there is so much more going on for you guys then we even want to know about, so I'm greatful for the time you give us :)
[09:24] <AnAnt> I thought he wouldn't surface since I entered
[09:24] <LaserJock> well, IMO, we aren't doing so great with REVUing
[09:24] <LaserJock> but I'm not sure how to make it better
[09:25] <AnAnt> LaserJock: I think you guys are doing great, especially that you have a real life to handle
[09:25] <LaserJock> yeah
[09:25] <LaserJock> I'm trying to get some research done
[09:25] <LaserJock> write the packaging guide
[09:25] <LaserJock> fix some bugs
[09:25] <LaserJock> do some other writing
[09:25] <LaserJock> etc.
[09:25] <LaserJock> and I can hardly keep up with my email :-)
[09:26] <AnAnt> kchmviewer is on the repos !
[09:29] <AnAnt> ???
[09:29] <AnAnt> that link is not working: http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/kde/kchmviewer-nokde
[09:29] <AnAnt> who should I report that to ?
[09:30] <LaserJock> AnAnt: what do you mean?
[09:30] <AnAnt> LaserJock: what do I mean by what ?
[09:31] <LaserJock> what's not working?
[09:31] <geser> the URL he mentioned
[09:31] <AnAnt> exactly
[09:31] <geser> gives a 404
[09:31] <AnAnt> I searched in packages.ubuntu.com for kchmviewer-nokde
[09:31] <AnAnt> so it gave me that link
[09:31] <AnAnt> now if I click it , it says that it doesn't exist (ie. 404)
[09:32] <LaserJock> is that a new package? do you know?
[09:32] <AnAnt> yup
[09:32] <AnAnt> and it only got in today
[09:32] <LaserJock> then it probably needs some time to sync
[09:33] <AnAnt> k
[09:33] <huats__> I'd like to put a branch for bzr on launchpad... I want to add it inside the telepathy team... bzr push --create-prefix sftp://christophe-sauthier@bazaar.launchpad.net/~telepathy/telepathy-irc/ubuntu with christophe-sauthier my id and telepathy-irc is a project created inside launchpad.... It is correct ?
[09:34] <LaserJock> are you a member of telepathy LP team?
[09:34] <huats__> LaserJock: Yep
[09:35] <LaserJock> I think that's right then
[09:35] <huats__> this command tell me as a result : "0 revision(s) pushed." and it creates a rep sftp:
[09:36] <bddebian> AnAnt: Is it sitting in the NEW queue?
[09:36] <LaserJock> huats__: I think that might be ok
[09:36] <LaserJock> huats__: try branching from http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~telepathy/telepathy-irc/ubuntu
[09:36] <huats__> LaserJock: so I don't know what's is wrong
[09:36] <AnAnt> bddebian: gimme the link for NEW queue pls
[09:36] <LaserJock> http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+queue
[09:36] <huats__> LaserJock: you mean bzr branch ?
[09:37] <LaserJock> huats__: yeah
[09:37] <bddebian> AnAnt: LaserJock just did :)
[09:37] <huats__> LaserJock: bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~telepathy/telepathy-irc/ubuntu/
[09:37] <AnAnt> k
[09:38] <LaserJock> huats__: hmm
[09:39] <AnAnt> bddebian: nope, not there
[09:39] <LaserJock> bddebian: and from memory too ;-)
[09:39] <bddebian> LaserJock: You are a STUD man :-)
[09:39] <LaserJock> I guess that's what I get for being a raging Ubuntu-holic
[09:40] <LaserJock> I can do the NEW queue URL from memory
[09:40] <LaserJock> but I have a hard time telling you my phone number
[09:40] <bddebian> heh
[09:41] <LaserJock> it's true too, that's the sad part
[09:41] <LaserJock> I hate my phone number
[09:41] <LaserJock> I've had it for 3 years and still have to think about it
[09:42] <AnAnt> ?!
[09:42] <LaserJock> I can do the one I had before that one fine
[09:43] <AnAnt> guys, what exactly is XGL ?
[09:44] <sladen> AnAnt: bling
[09:44] <Nafallo> AnAnt: GL-driven XServer from SUSE
[09:44] <AnAnt> what is bling ?
[09:44] <Nafallo> sladen: I love your proposal about UDS and just responded with my thoughts to sounder :-)
[09:44] <superm1> a temporary workaround until the big proprietary driver vendors support Aiglx
[09:44] <Nafallo> AnAnt: eyecandy :-)
[09:45] <LaserJock> nasty eyecandy
[09:45] <LaserJock> can't for the life of me figure out why somebody would want to run their box like that
[09:45] <AnAnt> is it true that if I use XGL, then it will take off some load from the CPU ?
[09:45] <AnAnt> LaserJock: neither do I, but some guy told me that it uses GPU instead of CPU
[09:46] <Nafallo> will, it _will_ render more stuff on the GFX-card, so theoretically.
[09:46] <Nafallo> s/i/e/
[09:46] <LaserJock> sure, to break your apps and funky things with your windws
[09:46] <AnAnt> LaserJock: huh ?
[09:46] <LaserJock> I'm all for eyecandy that works
[09:47] <superm1> if your going to set it up, be ready for daily breakage from the quinn repos
[09:47] <AnAnt> bddebian: I got bad news for you
[09:47] <LaserJock> I've seen too many "App X doesn't work anymore" bugs because of XGL
[09:47] <LaserJock> it's great for testing out new features and X development
[09:47] <Nafallo> AnAnt: that will make him happy, bddebian likes bad news ;-)
[09:48] <AnAnt> LaserJock: ok, you gave me a good reason not to care about XGL
[09:48] <LaserJock> well
[09:48] <LaserJock> I sound a bit harsh and like an old grumpy guy
[09:48] <Nafallo> LaserJock: lol
[09:49] <LaserJock> but XGL isn't going to make your machine *more* stable, I'll put it that way
[09:49] <Nafallo> :-)
[09:49] <bddebian> AnAnt: Whassat?
[09:50] <AnAnt> bddebian: i reuploaded elinks-full
[09:50] <superm1> it does wonders though to make vista fan boys drop their mouths at the cool things it can do
[09:50] <AnAnt> I only fixed the copyright thing
[09:50] <bddebian> AnAnt: Well WTF? :-)
[09:50] <AnAnt> superm1: like what ?
[09:50] <LaserJock> superm1: tbh I'd rather show them a "Just Works" system, but I know what you mean
[09:51] <superm1> I showed a friend of mine watching a video on the edge of the cube
[09:51] <superm1> and he was pretty amazed at just that
[09:51] <AnAnt> I don't understand what's nice about that
[09:52] <Nafallo> AnAnt: it just looks kewl :-)
[09:52] <superm1> its not at all for a functional purpose, its just to look cool
[09:52] <AnAnt> k
[09:52] <superm1> yea
[09:52] <superm1> and when your waiting for a compile to go, who wouldn't want to wobble a window around ;)?
[09:52] <AnAnt> prolly it will be nice in games or some 3D CAD/modelling software ?
[09:53] <LaserJock> I think it's basically a "proof-of-concept" thing
[09:54] <superm1> IMO, that's why AIGLX is the end solution,  It's already in edgy and metacity has support to use it
[09:54] <AnAnt> oh, like going to the moon
[09:55] <superm1> I don't follow that comment?
[09:56] <LaserJock> you send people to the moon to say "I went to the moon", not because you doing much of anything functional there
[09:56] <imbrandon> ...
[09:56] <AnAnt> it has to do with cold war
[09:56] <superm1> oh.... yea makes sense
[09:56] <AnAnt> doh !
[09:57] <AnAnt> kchmviewer now dissappeared from packages.ubuntu.com
[09:57] <AnAnt> I think it must be some sync'ing as bddebian said
[09:57] <LaserJock> so this is "We came make windows wobble and videos play on a cube"
[09:58] <AnAnt> oops, wrong search
[10:01] <zul> i think most people perfer systems that work over eye candy
[10:01] <AnAnt> is getting a package in Debian a lengthy process like in Ubuntu ?
[10:02] <LaserJock> AnAnt: depends, sometimes it is faster, sometimes it is slower
[10:02] <LaserJock> it sort of depends on who you know
[10:02] <LaserJock> and can get to sponsor you
[10:02] <bddebian> AnAnt: If you did them right the first time it wouldn't take so long.. ;-P
[10:02] <superm1> haha
[10:02] <LaserJock> it's true though
[10:02] <LaserJock> wrt to Debian
[10:03] <LaserJock> my first package took quite a while to get into Ubuntu
[10:03] <zul> heh...there is no debian cabal
[10:03] <LaserJock> but once it was it only took 2 days to get into Debian
[10:04] <superm1> speaking of which, bddebian, would you have a moment to look over the myth package I have on REVU?
[10:05] <Nafallo> lol
[10:05] <Nafallo> :-)
[10:06] <bddebian> Who is back in action? :)
[10:06] <AnAnt> which action ? REVU'ing or ducking ?
[10:06] <bddebian> superm1: Have you spoken with slomo_ by any chance?
[10:07] <superm1> No I haven't
[10:08] <superm1> I just got the package in yesterday, and haven't found a MOTU to look at it initially yet
[10:08] <phanatic> good evening
[10:08] <bddebian> Well slomo_ works on/with the Multimedia team
[10:09] <bddebian> Heya phanatic
[10:09] <bddebian> superm1: And I don't know if he wanted to use the Debian Multimedia packages for a reason?
[10:09] <phanatic> hey bddebian :)
[10:09] <superm1> Well these were synced from debian-multimedia
[10:09] <superm1> with an ubuntu patch ontop
[10:09] <superm1> and tested in an edgy pbuilder by me
[10:09] <Nafallo> bddebian: I was more into your humor :-)
[10:09] <superm1> crimsun had said that was the best way to go
[10:10] <bddebian> superm1: Doesn't deb-mult-media just have .19?
[10:10] <bddebian> Nafallo: Ah.. ;-)
[10:10] <superm1> Christian just got them up to 0.20 1.5 days ago
[10:10] <superm1> and he got plugins packages that I'm gonna throw in a pbuilder later today too
[10:10] <bddebian> Ah, and you built from that?
[10:10] <superm1> yes
[10:10] <bddebian> Cool, OK
[10:10] <superm1> I added a patch for gnome-screensaver
[10:10] <superm1> instead of xscreensaver
[10:11] <superm1> elsewise, they are the same
[10:11] <Nafallo> superm1: should you really do instead of? Xubuntu uses xss IIRC.
[10:11] <superm1> well I know all the other media players ubuntu universe has have patches for gnome-screensaver
[10:11] <superm1> totem,vlc,xine,mplayer
[10:12] <superm1> so I figured it was fitting to add
[10:12] <Nafallo> totem _is_ gnome, so shouldn't need xss, vlc xine and mplayer should really be both...
[10:13] <Nafallo> that's in my world ofcourse... don't know how in sync with MOTU that is atm ;-)
[10:13] <Nafallo> I'm just being logical here :-P
[10:13] <superm1> haha, well its always possible to change the patch to see what screensaver daemon is running
[10:13] <superm1> and work from that
[10:14] <superm1> I tend to forget there is a world outside of ordinary ubuntu - kubuntu and xubuntu and all
[10:14] <Nafallo> :-)
[10:15] <bddebian> Gah, I haven't used screen in soo long.  How do you detach from a screen?
[10:15] <tseng> ivoks: ping
[10:15] <ivoks> tseng: pong
[10:15] <zul> control a, control d
[10:16] <bddebian> Thx zul
[10:16] <tseng> ivoks: looking for your alps touchpad loge
[10:16] <tseng> love
[10:16] <AnAnt> any free REVUer here ?
[10:16] <ivoks> tseng: sure...
[10:16] <tseng> ivoks: was there a url?
[10:16] <tseng> my touchpad is kinda slow on a new dell
[10:16] <tseng> the nipple is super fast
[10:16] <bddebian> Uhm
[10:16] <Nafallo> lol, I read that right after all :-P
[10:16] <AnAnt> what nipple ?
[10:17] <tseng> ...
[10:17] <ivoks> tseng: i don't have an url; alps works since breezy out of the box
[10:17] <superm1> in the keyboard
[10:17] <tseng> the one that is used for cursors?
[10:17] <bddebian> None of my nipples work for cursors?
[10:17] <tseng> sigh
[10:17] <ivoks> tseng: but you can speed it up
[10:17] <tseng> not in the mood
[10:17] <superm1> haha..
[10:17] <tseng> ivoks: not in gnome i cant
[10:17] <tseng> settings have no effect
[10:17] <ivoks> tseng: in xorg.conf
[10:17] <AnAnt> oh
[10:17] <tseng> ivoks: ok
[10:17] <tseng> ivoks: synaptics manpage?
[10:17] <tseng> will look later
[10:18] <ivoks> tseng: http://web.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/
[10:18] <ivoks> grrr
[10:18] <ivoks> README.alps :)
[10:19] <tseng> ok thanks
[10:19] <AnAnt> is anyone here able to disable Touch-to-Click in the virtual console for ALPS touchpads ?
[10:19] <ivoks> tseng: /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/README.alps
[10:19] <tseng> ok
[10:19] <ivoks> tseng: I think it's AccelFactor or MinSpeed
[10:19] <tseng> ok
[10:26] <ivoks> anybody knows who is admin of se.archive.ubuntu.com?
[11:03] <bddebian> Egads I forgot that MythTV is 14Mb :-(
[11:03] <LaserJock> bah
[11:04] <LaserJock> I did a python2.4 -> python changin in gcompris yesterday
[11:04] <LaserJock> the source is 72MB
[11:04] <superm1> yea it did take forever for me to upload that source package on my 256kbits upload here
[11:04] <LaserJock> it took forever on my 1.3GHz pbuilder machine
[11:05] <bddebian> heh
[11:06] <Sp4rKy> hi guys
[11:07] <Sp4rKy> i need some help with debconf
[11:07] <Sp4rKy> i'm creating a preinst file which call debconf for ask something to end-user
[11:08] <Sp4rKy> but when i try install my package with dpkg -i , i get an error 10 from preinst script ...
[11:35] <sistpoty> hi folks