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=== pips1_ is reading LaserJock's wiki page
pips1_ah, you wrote the UbuntuScientists page! excellent! I had that printed out :)12:16
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LaserJockwell, I worked on it12:19
LaserJockI run MOTU Science12:19
pips1_ic12:21
pips1_you also do documentation...12:21
LaserJockmhm12:21
LaserJockwrote the Ubuntu Packaging Guide12:21
pips1_that's for MOTU's I assume?12:22
LaserJockpeople wanting to become MOTUs12:22
pips1_ah12:22
=== pips1_ goes and looks for it
LaserJockhelp.ubuntu.com12:23
pips1_ah, you also got it onto lulu.com12:23
LaserJockmhm12:24
pips1_looks very concise12:25
LaserJockit's a work in progress ;-)12:25
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pips1_well, it looks like you can read it in little time, but learn what it takes to do packaging... :-)12:27
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pips1_Chapters like How to Deal with Feature Requests, How to deal with suggestions for changing defaults, ... excellent!!12:29
pips1_I really think that concise pointers like this are needed to make it easier for people who want to contribute.12:30
pips1_LaserJock: I only discovered the "previous/up/next" wiki navigation quite recently... was that available since a long time?12:33
LaserJockhmm12:36
=== pips1_ is searching the wiki for how to enable the wiki "previous/up/next" nav
LaserJockI don't think it has it12:37
pips1_??12:37
pips1_so how does that work?12:37
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stormchas3rdoes edubuntu use a diff repo than ubuntu, or is there any alternate repos for edubuntu?12:42
LaserJocknope12:42
LaserJockit's all the same12:42
LaserJockas with Xubuntu and Kubuntu12:42
stormchas3rroger,  i was just checking12:42
pips1_LaserJock, so how is the nice formatting of 'help.ubuntu.com' achieved? I don't want to take up your time... is there a documentation newbie guide, where I could read about this?12:47
LaserJockwell, formating of what exactly?12:47
LaserJockthere are 2 sections12:48
LaserJockone is the shipped docs12:48
LaserJockthose are the 5.10 and 6.06 tabs12:48
LaserJockand the Community tab is the doc wiki12:48
pips1_well, in help.ubuntu.com, you get those nice icons of the note, tip, alerts, etc12:48
LaserJockahh12:48
LaserJockthat's docbook12:48
LaserJockXML12:48
pips1_ok, I understand12:49
LaserJockwe turn it into HTML and pdf12:49
pips1_so people start drafting in the wiki, but often work shifts to docbook ?12:49
LaserJockmuch of it is docbook to start with12:50
pips1_what tools are used to edit docbook?12:50
LaserJockbut the documentation team had a Summer of Code project that produced a wiki->docbook converter12:50
LaserJockvim, emacs, gedit, kwrite :-)12:50
pips1_wow, nice one12:50
LaserJockit's pretty easy to pick up12:51
pips1_they all support the 'docbook' format?! wow12:51
LaserJockit's pretty standard12:51
pips1_I mean, is there highlighting or even autocompletion for docbook syntax?12:52
LaserJockyeah12:53
=== pips1_ googles for emacs docbook support
pips1_what do you use?12:53
LaserJocknxml-mode is good for emacs12:54
LaserJockpretty much all of them at one point or another12:54
pips1_I haven't used text editors much at all12:55
LaserJockbrb12:56
pips1_I can use emacs in a very *basic* way if I have to, but I never really got to grips with vi12:56
pips1_oops12:56
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BDahlHello!12:59
BDahlis anybody around to help me with my printing issues?12:59
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pips1_ah, ubuntu-book.css is the ubuntu-docbook style sheet, i see01:04
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pips1_LaserJock: are most of the documentation "books" written by a single person? is work divided up into chapters always? how often does it happen that several people colaborate on a single chapter? ... from your experience...01:07
stormchas3rBdahl, whats the problem01:07
pips1_Bdahl left already01:07
pygipips1_, not all doc book are written by one person. People do colaborate on one chapter if they think they can work together, and make it better. 01:08
stormchas3rdang01:08
stormchas3rmore minds are better that one01:08
pips1_pygi: do they use collaborative editors (gobby) at all?01:09
pygipips1_, yup ^_^01:09
pips1_or is it more a case of alternating writing / reviewing / re-writing, etc01:09
pygipips1_, depends01:09
pips1_I just had a look at gobby recently. can't wait to try it out for some collaborative writing :-)01:10
Burgworkpips1_, it is very cool01:11
Burgworkthere is going to be a UWN hackfest tonight, so feel free to join in01:11
pygipips1_, what you wanna write ? ^_^01:11
pygiBurgwork, UWN? remind me pls :)01:11
pips1_yeah, ogra mentioned it earlier, what is UWN?01:13
=== stormchas3r is getting jealous, ;)
pygiwhy?01:15
stormchas3ridk, lol01:15
pygiheh01:15
stormchas3ris there a demo gobby channel i can try?01:16
pips1_stormchas3r: let me know if you find one01:16
Burgworkpygi, Ubuntu Weekly News01:16
pygiBurgwork, o, right :)01:16
stormchas3rpips1_, i will01:16
Burgworkstormchas3r, there will be my UWN server up in about 1 hour or so01:16
pips1_ack, I will be in bed, me thinks01:17
stormchas3rhow will we know the host and port?01:17
stormchas3rlol01:17
Burgworkyes, the UWN #14 page will list it01:17
Burgwork#ubuntu-marketing for helping out01:17
stormchas3rpips1_, did you get an error when you run sudo gobby?01:17
stormchas3rgotcha01:17
stormchas3rpygi, i created a lauchpad acct about a week ago01:18
pygistormchas3r, good ^_^01:18
stormchas3r:)01:18
pygipips1_, I'm willing to give you some gobby insights if you wait ^_^01:18
pips1_pygi stop tempting me :-)01:20
stormchas3rgobby is just a collaboration channel?01:20
pips1_gobby is an application01:21
stormchas3rya, i have it running01:21
pips1_right :)01:21
Burgworkgobby is an application that allows real time collaboration01:21
stormchas3rkind of like this01:21
stormchas3rirc01:21
pips1_yeah, but I can edit what you said ;-)01:22
stormchas3ro nice01:22
stormchas3rBurgwork, are we allowed to join the session and watch?01:23
pips1_I'm sure we can01:23
stormchas3rpips1_, nice01:23
stormchas3rpips1_, what time is it over there?01:23
stormchas3rswiss, right?01:23
=== pips1_ wonders if there has been any trolling and such in a gobby session yet
pips1_hehe01:24
stormchas3rlol01:24
Burgworkstormchas3r, of course01:24
stormchas3rgreat01:24
Burgworkpips1_, given I control the session, I can kick people out01:24
pips1_1:24 am01:24
stormchas3rgotcha01:24
pips1_Burgwork: interesting01:24
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stormchas3rhttp://img135.imageshack.us/img135/6152/screenshottn4.png01:25
=== pips1_ goes to find that newsletter for the link
stormchas3ranythoughts how to fix that?01:25
pips1_yeah, I got the same message too01:27
stormchas3rweird01:27
stormchas3r*** WARNING *** Please fix your application to use the native API of Avahi!01:27
stormchas3rack01:27
pygistormchas3r, ignore pls :)01:27
stormchas3rkk01:28
stormchas3rwill do 01:28
pips1_Zeroconf is about discovering devices on your network automatically01:28
pips1_you will propably not need it, I suspect01:28
stormchas3ronly if we were on the same subnet as Burgwork 01:29
stormchas3r;)01:29
stormchas3rpips1_, let me know if you find the info to join the channel01:29
pips1_ok01:30
stormchas3rthat "student control panel" is one amazing tool01:30
pips1_oh, you installed it'01:31
pips1_?01:31
stormchas3ro yea01:31
stormchas3rgetting ready to get a lab up and running in my work01:31
pips1_you are using edgy?!01:32
stormchas3rdapper01:32
stormchas3ry01:32
LaserJockpips1_: sorry was afk01:33
LaserJockpips1_: most docs are sort of "led" by one or 2 people01:33
pips1_stormchas3r:  have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/EditingPolicies01:33
stormchas3rkk01:33
LaserJockbut lots of people contibute01:33
pips1_LaserJock: tx01:34
stormchas3rnice pips1_ 01:34
pips1_stormchas3r: so student control panel is available in dapper?01:34
LaserJockin universe I think01:34
pips1_but that must be the old version, surely...01:35
stormchas3ryes, i searched synaptic for 'student' and it was there01:35
stormchas3ramazing gui01:35
stormchas3rwe use synchoneyes in our schools and this will be a huge benefit01:36
stormchas3rpips1_, here ya go https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StudentControlPanelCompletion?highlight=%28control%29%7C%28student%2901:38
pips1_stormchas3r: thanks01:40
pips1_I know what it want to do, but I can't wait to see it live ;-)01:40
pips1_*wants01:41
LaserJockit's in edgy01:42
pyginew version is much better, mostly thanks to cbx33 ;)01:42
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pips1_is it available in knot-3? from what ogra said, it takes some workarounds to get knot-3 to run...01:43
stormchas3rso it doesnt work in dapper then?01:44
pips1_Burgwork: do you edit UWN *in-place* ?! in the wiki? ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue14?action=edit )01:44
pips1_with gobby, I mean01:45
=== pips1_ still marvels about how this real-time collaborative editing thang will work
stormchas3rpatience my friend01:46
stormchas3r:)01:46
pips1_yeah, just 15 mins to go01:46
stormchas3rlol01:46
=== stormchas3r feels the same
pips1_I'm soooo excited! tatata dada dum dum01:47
pips1_:)01:47
stormchas3rlol01:47
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stormchas3rnice01:48
stormchas3rwelcome chris01:48
Unix_n_Coffeewell thank you01:48
Unix_n_Coffeehow is everyone doing today?01:48
stormchas3runix and cofee, nice mix01:48
=== Unix_n_Coffee got to make our wifes to make the coffee !
stormchas3rlol01:48
stormchas3rcream and sugar please01:49
Unix_n_Coffeeohh its brewing01:49
=== Unix_n_Coffee smells Delicious !! hazelnut ;)
Unix_n_Coffee:)01:49
Unix_n_Coffeeso what brings me in here...01:50
pips1_hehe01:50
stormchas3rneeeeice01:50
Unix_n_Coffee:)01:50
=== Unix_n_Coffee stormchas3r is my buddy everyone
Unix_n_Coffee:)01:50
stormchas3rthis is the edubuntu channel and these guys devote themselves to ubuntu in education01:50
Unix_n_Coffeewow01:50
stormchas3rya01:50
Unix_n_Coffeeis that true guys?01:50
Unix_n_Coffeedont speak for themselves rob01:51
Unix_n_Coffee;)01:51
stormchas3rha01:51
pips1_yup01:51
Unix_n_Coffeepips1 what country?01:51
pips1_ch01:51
pips1_switzerland01:51
Unix_n_Coffeechaina?!01:51
Unix_n_Coffeeswitzerland!01:51
stormchas3rswitz, nice01:51
Unix_n_Coffeeimpressed01:51
Unix_n_Coffee:)01:51
stormchas3rping Unix_n_Coffee 01:51
stormchas3rpips1_, do we know the channel yet?01:52
Unix_n_Coffeepong stormchas3r01:52
pips1_stormchas3r: nope01:52
stormchas3rdoh01:52
Unix_n_Coffeeso rob is this another good friend you met on IRC?01:52
Unix_n_Coffeeeveryone i am chris01:52
Unix_n_Coffee:) im part of opensource!01:53
stormchas3rwho?01:53
Unix_n_Coffeepips1_01:53
pips1_Burgwork is still around, he promised to let us know01:53
stormchas3rjust met him, ;)01:53
stormchas3rkk01:53
Unix_n_Coffeepips1_ where you from?01:53
pips1_ch01:53
pips1_:)01:53
Unix_n_Coffeechina!01:53
pips1_exactly01:54
Unix_n_Coffeeamazing :))01:54
stormchas3rUnix_n_Coffee, there having a newsletter meeting soon, and we are going to use gobby and watch and learn01:54
=== Unix_n_Coffee good morning
Unix_n_Coffeecool01:54
Unix_n_Coffee:) we all net to make a good newspaper article!01:54
Unix_n_Coffee:) or some sort of article01:54
stormchas3rlol01:54
=== Unix_n_Coffee any volunteers ?
Unix_n_Coffee:)01:55
Unix_n_Coffeerob not a lot of people are talking in here!01:55
Unix_n_Coffeecome on people!01:55
stormchas3ri know, there busy01:55
Unix_n_Coffeeohh ok01:55
Unix_n_Coffeeso linux in education01:56
Unix_n_Coffee:)01:56
Unix_n_Coffeei was thinking rob ;) 01:56
Unix_n_Coffeeguess what i was thinking01:56
Unix_n_Coffee... want to take a guess01:56
stormchas3rsure01:57
Unix_n_CoffeeUS is all microosoft basiclly what would bill say about linux taking over! will microsoft be opensource01:57
Unix_n_Coffee;)01:57
stormchas3rthats possible, 01:57
stormchas3rbut i doubt it01:57
stormchas3rbill gates would never go for it01:57
=== Unix_n_Coffee microsoft allowing exe files to run in linux ... that would make my day
stormchas3rlol01:58
Unix_n_Coffee:)01:58
Unix_n_CoffeeI'm fine with my alternatives tho :)01:58
stormchas3rya01:58
stormchas3rBurgwork, any word?01:58
Unix_n_Coffeemy teacher was impressed about that picture made in gimp ;)01:58
Unix_n_Coffeeanyone like to see my teacher and me? :)01:59
pips1_stormchas3r: now you are impatient! ;-)01:59
stormchas3rhahahahaha01:59
Unix_n_Coffeepips1_ hes just a pain to deal with01:59
Unix_n_Coffee;) just kidding sotrm01:59
Unix_n_Coffeestorm*01:59
Unix_n_Coffee:)01:59
Unix_n_Coffeedont slap me now!02:00
stormchas3rouch02:00
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Unix_n_Coffeeor give me a spanky_ ;)02:00
=== stormchas3r slaps Unix_n_Coffee with a "Official Ubuntu Book"
stormchas3rlol02:00
Unix_n_Coffeehaha 02:00
=== Unix_n_Coffee slaps you with a unix book 500 pages
spanky_Hello I know this isn't an edubuntu question directly but I was wondering if any of you know...ah a fun bunch cool02:00
Unix_n_Coffee;) start reading02:01
stormchas3rsup spanky_ 02:01
spanky_you guys do alot of thin client work. I have a server set up which I connect to through XDMCP. Do you know of anyway to forward the audio along with the video? I have the video working perfectly but no sound02:01
=== Unix_n_Coffee spacky_ whats a "fun bunch cool"
spanky_you guys do alot of thin client work. I have a server set up which I connect to through XDMCP. Do you know of anyway to forward the audio along with the video? I have the video working perfectly but no sound02:02
Unix_n_Coffeerob questions ... im clueless02:02
stormchas3rditto that02:02
=== Unix_n_Coffee rob is working on his certification spanky_ ;)
stormchas3rlol02:02
=== Unix_n_Coffee slaps rob! get reading
stormchas3rha02:03
Unix_n_Coffeeunix server in edubuntu 02:03
stormchas3rlol02:03
stormchas3rpips1_, anything?02:03
Unix_n_Coffeeacually spanky_ me and rob here are new :)02:03
stormchas3rya02:03
Unix_n_Coffeewere clueless we only know ubuntu as of now02:04
stormchas3rright02:04
Unix_n_Coffeeand rob suse 10.102:04
Unix_n_Coffee;)02:04
spanky_the server people sent me over here. Said you might have some ideas cause they didn't have a clue02:04
Unix_n_Coffeeslap him for trying that02:04
stormchas3ractually, 9.3 -10.102:04
Burgworkspanky_, on the phone, will help you in a sec02:04
Unix_n_Coffee9.3 wasnt bad rob was impressed02:04
stormchas3rright02:04
spanky_Burgwork: thank you02:04
Unix_n_Coffeevery polite guy :)02:05
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Unix_n_Coffeeso spanky_ you for linux in education?02:05
stormchas3rUnix_n_Coffee, you should install all edubuntu pkg's on your machine02:05
Unix_n_Coffeei should and who has the list of the deb's 02:06
Unix_n_Coffee:|02:06
stormchas3rthere is the universe02:06
stormchas3rthere in*02:06
Unix_n_Coffee;) duo boot since ubuntu isbt taking up a lot02:06
stormchas3rno need to02:06
Unix_n_Coffeealright02:06
bddebianHeya02:06
Unix_n_Coffee:)02:06
Unix_n_Coffeegot the sources?02:06
stormchas3rhey bddebian 02:06
Unix_n_Coffee:)02:06
bddebianHello stormchas3r02:06
stormchas3rsearch synaptic02:07
Unix_n_Coffeehi hbdebian02:07
Unix_n_Coffeeok02:07
stormchas3rfor "edubuntu"02:07
bddebianHeh, hello Unix_n_Coffee.  Nice nick :-)02:07
Unix_n_Coffeeok :)02:07
stormchas3rya it is02:07
Unix_n_Coffeewell thank you its registered ;)02:07
stormchas3rmine is to, i just forget my pw02:08
=== Unix_n_Coffee slaps rob start reading!
stormchas3rlol02:08
Unix_n_Coffeeedubuntu live?02:08
stormchas3rnope02:08
stormchas3rdont install from a disc02:09
Unix_n_Coffeeedubuntu server?02:09
stormchas3rif you want02:09
Unix_n_Coffeeits in the package manager02:09
stormchas3rya02:09
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Unix_n_Coffee:| edubuntu live02:09
Unix_n_Coffeeedubuntu desktop?02:09
stormchas3ri love the gartoon icons in edubuntu02:09
stormchas3rall of it02:09
stormchas3ryou can always remove it02:09
Unix_n_Coffeeok its downloading edubuntu desktop02:10
Unix_n_Coffee:)02:10
stormchas3rnice02:10
Unix_n_Coffeeso this will make me have a dual boot02:10
stormchas3rnope02:10
Unix_n_Coffeelike for ex login screen...02:10
Unix_n_Coffeesession edubuntu?02:10
stormchas3rif u want02:10
Unix_n_Coffeegreat02:10
stormchas3rya02:11
Unix_n_Coffeetalk to you later in edubuntu02:11
Unix_n_Coffee:)02:11
stormchas3r:)02:11
Unix_n_Coffee7 mins02:11
Unix_n_Coffee:)02:11
=== Unix_n_Coffee bored
stormchas3rdo u have add?02:11
stormchas3rlol02:11
Unix_n_Coffeewhats add?02:12
stormchas3rADD02:12
stormchas3rgoogle it02:12
Unix_n_Coffeeok02:12
Unix_n_Coffeei know how to add lol02:12
Unix_n_Coffeebut ok02:12
stormchas3rnot math02:12
Unix_n_Coffeeno lol02:12
Unix_n_Coffeehow could you think that02:12
Unix_n_Coffeerob!!02:13
stormchas3rlol02:13
Unix_n_Coffeehow dare you02:13
Unix_n_Coffeeu add?02:13
stormchas3rnope02:13
Unix_n_Coffeeok then02:13
Unix_n_Coffeewhat makes u think i am add lol02:13
stormchas3ridk.i was kidding02:13
Unix_n_Coffeeok02:13
=== Unix_n_Coffee slaps rob with a 1,000 page unix book!
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stormchas3rouch02:14
Unix_n_Coffeestart reading02:14
Unix_n_Coffeei upped it ;)02:14
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Burgworkguys, you might want to quiet down a little02:14
Unix_n_Coffeeok 02:14
Unix_n_Coffeeill be good02:14
stormchas3rkk02:14
Unix_n_Coffeequite game starting.. now!02:14
Burgworkspanky_, Ubuntu uses LTSP, not XDMCP02:14
Burgworkin order to get sound, you need to flip a bit on your lts.conf02:15
BurgworkSOUND=Yes or True02:15
spanky_ltsp? never heard of it before. All the settings I found in admin-> login window for x11 forwarding were XDMCP02:15
spanky_in etc?02:16
Burgworkright, you need to install the ltsp package02:16
Burgworkand then do that02:16
spanky_on both the client and server side?02:16
Burgworkhttp://edubuntu.org/GettingStarted02:16
Burgworkon the server02:16
Burgworkread that02:16
spanky_ok thanks02:16
Burgworkfinding you the sound page, just as ec02:16
Burgworkhttp://www.edubuntu.org/ThinClientConfig02:17
spanky_not sure if it makes a difference but I am not running the edubuntu distro but the main ubuntu distro02:17
Burgworkit will work exactly the same way02:17
Burgworkyou will just get Ubuntu on the thin clients, not Edubuntu02:17
Burgworkanyway, I need to go home now. I will be back on irc in a flash02:18
pips1_erm, Burgwork, what's your estimated time for the gobby edting?02:20
stormchas3rBurgwork, is gobbly up?02:20
Burgworkabout 45 minutes02:20
stormchas3rkk02:20
Burgworkwe are meeting about the UWN, then editin git02:20
pips1_ack02:20
stormchas3rack?02:20
pips1_I need to go to sleep02:21
stormchas3rsweet dreams02:21
pips1_thanks02:21
pips1_have fun02:21
stormchas3ryou 202:21
pips1_but maybe you want to ease of on all that slapping action ;-)02:21
stormchas3rlol02:22
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spanky_still there burgwork?02:29
spanky_Could you repast the link to the thin client setup docs please?02:30
stormchas3rspanky_, http://www.edubuntu.org/ThinClientConfig02:33
spanky_thank you02:33
stormchas3rspanky_, your welcome02:34
LaserJockjsgotangco: hi02:35
spanky_Any idea if this will work with cygwin for windows clients?02:40
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jsgotangcoLaserJock: hey dude hows it going02:50
LaserJockok02:57
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cafuegohttp://www.cafuego.net/stuff/iMacEdubuntuArraySmall.jpg03:18
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stormbuntuBurgundavia, is it up and running?03:57
Burgundaviastormbuntu: yes, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue1404:00
stormbuntuty04:00
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RichEdhi ... just ducking my head in ... went to bed after 1 and feeling quite shattered tday09:27
RichEdwill have a slow quiet start to the day and check in here later09:28
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willvdlSeems like an interesting meeting last night09:54
cbx33willvdl: indeed it was ;)10:02
willvdlhave you used dotproject before?10:03
Burgundaviawillvdl: some10:03
willvdlquite a "feature rich" beastie innit?10:03
Burgundaviayes10:04
willvdlwhich is the one that mirrors MS Project again? been a while sinced I used it10:04
Burgundaviaplanner10:05
willvdlthat's it.10:05
cbx33I have used it a lot10:05
willvdlplanner?10:05
cbx33willvdl: I'll be installing a dotproject server for us to use tonight10:06
cbx33no dotproject10:06
willvdlah. My site seems to have it in Fantastico. hmmm10:06
cbx33ooooh nice10:06
pygimorning all10:10
willvdlmorning10:10
cbx33willvdl: are you up for using dotproject for ESA then?10:11
willvdlSure. I've used MS Project extensively in the past and these things can help.10:11
cbx33good10:11
willvdlDoes it fo file sharing10:12
willvdldo10:12
cbx33um10:12
cbx33it has document sharing10:13
cbx33but i have never used it myself yet10:13
cbx33willvdl: this is gonna be cool10:13
cbx33brb10:13
willvdlnatch. coffee10:14
cbx33back10:29
willvdlwhere you going to host it?10:34
cbx33i have a server in the states10:34
cbx33i could host it there10:34
willvdlcool. mine is a bit slow10:34
cbx33np10:35
cbx33I hope to have that done tonight10:35
willvdlgroovy. In the mean time I'm going to try and pull together some use cases10:37
cbx33willvdl: you rock dude10:57
willvdlIt's a tricky thing deciding on whether an ubuntu base with educational stuff on top can be "effectively" regarded as edubuntu10:59
willvdlessentially it's the same thing, just customised10:59
willvdlhighvoltage ping11:00
cbx33willvdl: indeed11:05
cbx33but when it starts to get it's own set of developers11:05
willvdlBurgundavia, I think I should chat to you again about case studies soon11:07
cbx33ping RichEd 11:11
RichEdcbx33: pong11:12
cbx33do we have time yet ;)11:13
RichEdLet me send an email a bit later to get the conversation started -> see window11:14
cbx33RichEd: did you see we're goign to trial dotproject a little later11:17
RichEdyep ... am following conversations quietly11:18
pygicbx33, ActiveCollab ^_^11:19
willvdlpygi, looks quite neat11:34
cbx33hmm lemme check11:34
pygiwillvdl, ActiveCollab is very good, and author is very dedicated to even improve it11:35
willvdlnot too sure if I like the task handling though11:35
pygiah, what for you do need collaboration software?11:36
willvdlbut then none of these web-based tools ever handle it well though11:37
willvdlit's certainly very neat.11:39
highvoltagewillvdl: pong11:43
willvdlah. forgotton what I was going to say now11:44
cbx33willvdl: which one do you want to go with11:44
willvdlcbx33, dot project for me I'd say. more chance to explore things like CRM etc.11:44
cbx33willvdl: cool11:45
willvdlhighvoltage, that's it. would you regard the latest tuXlabs as test cases for edubuntu? Even if given a certain context?11:46
highvoltagewillvdl: in a certain context, sure11:46
highvoltagewillvdl: we build mostly on what edubuntu provides us, so we consider the tuxlab stuff derivative work of edubuntu11:47
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juliuxmorning11:49
juliuxis the 20060914.1 is the laste iso for testing11:49
juliuxis the 20060914.1 iso the last test image?11:49
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cbx33i presume so11:50
juliuxok11:50
juliuxi will download it so i can test it in 2h11:51
willvdlhighvoltage, cool.11:52
cbx33willvdl: activeCollab requires PHP5 anyway so I can't test here11:54
cbx33and it's probably not going to work on my server11:54
willvdlah. that settles it then :)11:56
cbx33though it does look nice11:56
cbx33*bah* it looks very spiffy11:56
willvdlat least dotproject got a facelift from it's original "geeklog" looknfeel11:58
cbx33hehe11:58
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STORMCHAS3Rmorning al01:42
STORMCHAS3Rall*01:43
juliuxhi STORMCHAS3R 01:43
=== STORMCHAS3R is starting to setup the edubuntu ltsp test lab!!! :)
cbx33cool01:44
jsgotangconice01:46
STORMCHAS3Rcbx33, what was that command you said yesterday? ltsp-update-keys?01:47
cbx33STORMCHAS3R: yes01:54
STORMCHAS3Rcbx33, how do i run that?01:54
cbx33press Alt+F201:54
STORMCHAS3Rroger01:54
STORMCHAS3Rty01:54
cbx33and you get a command thing01:55
STORMCHAS3Rkk01:55
cbx33type sudo ltsp-update-keys01:55
STORMCHAS3Rrgr01:55
cbx33should work01:55
STORMCHAS3Rty01:55
STORMCHAS3Rbrb01:55
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jsgotangcohmm does anyone remember the plugin i need to play unencrypted DVDs02:21
Petarislibdvdcss or some such?02:27
Petariser, wait02:27
Petarisunencrypted dvds?  No idea02:28
jsgotangcolibdvdcss is the reverse engineered one ;)02:30
Petarisright02:30
Petarisnot sure about the one you are looking for02:30
jsgotangcoyeah must be one of them gstreamer plugins02:31
Petarisand actually I guess its libdvdcss202:31
STORMCHAS3Rjsgotangco, did you search synaptic?02:31
jsgotangcoSTORMCHAS3R: sure ;)02:31
STORMCHAS3Rnice02:31
pygigst-plugins-ugly && gst-plugins-bad && gst-plugins-good02:33
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jsgotangcopygi: what does -good contain?02:33
pygijsgotangco, good codecs, open ones, and properly implemented02:34
jsgotangcohaha this is weird02:35
jsgotangcook goodie, ive just confirmed the DVDs are unencrypted02:37
jsgotangcoRichEd: I think I can just digitise these DVDs for now as a proof of concept that we can make this working on Edubuntu02:38
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cbx33does anyone have an estimate of the number of ubuntu machines in use today02:51
cbx33and also the number of linux machines inuse today as desktop machines not servers02:51
highvoltagehttp://counter.li.org has some estimates on Linux use02:56
cbx33highvoltage: are we getting xubuntu cd's pressed this release?02:56
highvoltagecbx33: I don't think so, best is to ask janimo on #xubuntu02:57
jsgotangcoi doubt it02:57
jsgotangcoheh i have to find a way to digitise these DVDs to ogg or something02:59
highvoltagethe ubuntu cd's? :)02:59
jsgotangcono the educational DVDs of our foundation02:59
jsgotangcoi noticed they are unencrypted so that's a +03:00
jsgotangcoi could probably ask for the master tape and convert it instead of ripping the DVD03:00
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Petarisjsgotangco: What are the DVDs about, just the ubuntu orginization?03:19
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McKenziehi all03:20
McKenzieanyone that know where to find the minimal requirements??? i can't find them in the official site03:21
Petarisminimal requirements for installign edubuntu?03:22
Petarisor for an ltsp client?03:22
McKenziefor live cd03:22
PetarisI'm not sure if there is any03:24
PetarisAnd it really depends what you are going to do with it03:24
PetarisWill it be a stand alnoe workstation, a server, an ltsp server?03:25
McKenziestandalone workstation03:25
Petarisok03:25
Petarisyou probably want at least a 400MHz processor03:26
Petarisand 128 MB RAM03:26
Petaris256 would be better03:26
Petarisat least a 8 MB video card03:27
Petarisat least a 6 GB HDD (if installing)03:27
Petarissound card is optional03:27
McKenziewow... quite low... tnx a lot, i will try it on the old computer :)03:28
Petarisand probably at least a 10 Mb NIC or 56k modem for internet03:28
PetarisMcKenzie: note that it should run on those, but it may be slugish03:29
Petarisand it just depends what you are doing03:29
McKenziei just want to try :)... If it works ok if not no problem... i will use the live cd :)03:30
McKenzieso i don't lose lot of time :)03:31
jsgotangcoPetaris: no...i work in an local foundation, and one of the primary focuses is education...we have a library of self-produced educational shows and we have a project to move them to computers03:32
Petarisjsgotangco: Ahh, ok03:33
PetarisI thought maybe it was an Ubuntu promotional or documentary type thing03:33
PetarisMcKenzie: Ok, have fun03:33
jsgotangcowell its a big boost for Edubuntu when the project succeeds because wee using it as the base platform for education03:34
PetarisMcKenzie: Oh, and the Xubuntu live cd is probably the best (last I played with it anyway)03:34
Petarisjsgotangco: Cool, where abouts are you?03:34
McKenzieok, tnx03:34
jsgotangcoPetaris: ABS-CBN Foundation03:35
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Petarishttp://www.abs-cbnfoundation.com/ that you?03:35
jsgotangcoyes, but our website is really nasty ;)03:36
Petarisyeah, I see that03:36
jsgotangcoi came in to fix those nasty stuff03:37
Petariscool03:37
jsgotangcoin our mother company, you cant surf www at all if youe not using IE ;)03:37
jsgotangcoits a sad reality for now03:37
Petarisahh, I moved everyone here to ff03:38
PetarisIE had too many security issues and lots of ad-ware/spy-ware issues03:38
cbx33yup03:38
cbx33too true03:38
jsgotangcothat good it hurts me as part of the edubuntu project03:38
jsgotangcothat i cant even run linux connected at work03:39
jsgotangcoso i work at home03:39
jsgotangcoheh03:39
PetarisI am running more liux on the backbone here then they realize03:39
PetarisI have 7 servers in the district03:40
jsgotangcomy strategy is become part of the system first then make them realise how inefficient the current structure is03:40
Petarisonly 3 are windows03:40
Petarisjsgotangco: Just show them the validation test results from that page03:40
Petarishaha03:40
jsgotangcobecause im in a delicate position at the moment and some see me as a looming threat03:41
jsgotangcohaha03:41
Petarisyou are a threat03:41
jsgotangcoyou know what i will just grab all the data on the website then dump them to drupal03:41
Petarisa threat to mediocracy03:41
jsgotangcobingo03:41
Petarisa threat to vendor lock-in03:42
jsgotangcoit also helps that i have strong ISO documentation skillz03:42
Petaristhats always handy03:43
jsgotangcoworking on a semicon firm for 8 years made me rigid if not nosy on docs hehe03:43
jsgotangcoand procedures03:43
PetarisI know many a project that could use good documentation, lol03:43
STORMCHAS3Rcbx33, the "ltsp-update-keys" cmd comes up with command not found, any thoughts?04:07
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STORMCHAS3RRichEd, hello04:31
RichEdhis04:31
RichEdhi STORMCHAS3R 04:31
STORMCHAS3Rdid you get my email?04:31
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cbx33STORMCHAS3R: hmmm04:34
cbx33STORMCHAS3R: if you load a terminal window and type ltsp and then press tab what do you get04:35
RichEdSure did ... Thanks ... I have a few more questions which I will send back to you ... and we can see where your kind offer of support could be applied.04:35
STORMCHAS3Rcbx33, on the thin client?04:35
cbx33no04:35
cbx33on the server....althought it shouldn't matter04:35
jsgotangcohey RichEd 04:35
cbx33as the client is the  server04:36
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STORMCHAS3Rlet me try04:36
STORMCHAS3Rcbx33, i get nada04:36
cbx33eh ?04:36
RichEdhey jsgotangco: I was the DVD comment earlier ... I was lurking :)04:36
jsgotangcocheers04:37
RichEdjsgotangco: I presume you mean it was a "M$ format DVD" which you will rip to disk and playback as a file under Ubuntu04:37
jsgotangcoRichEd: nahhh there no such thing as an MS format DVD04:37
jsgotangcojust encrypted and unecrypted ones04:37
STORMCHAS3Rcbx33, i type "ltsp" and hit tab and nothing comes up04:38
jsgotangcosince the DVDs are unecrypted we could easily play them on linux04:38
jsgotangcowithout any encumbrances04:38
cbx33do> locate ltsp04:38
jsgotangcobut thats just an observation and not a milestone for sure04:38
jsgotangcobut its a good start04:38
STORMCHAS3Rcbx33, alot of entries, 04:38
cbx33hehe04:40
cbx33locate ltsp-04:40
RichEdjsgotangco: was thinking just that while I was typing ... but the brain is a bit foggy today :)04:40
STORMCHAS3Rcbx33, thats better04:41
cbx33try sudo ltsp-update-keys04:41
STORMCHAS3Rkk04:42
STORMCHAS3Rlooks like i have ltsp-update-sshkeys04:42
STORMCHAS3Rno -keys04:42
pips1hello everyone04:45
STORMCHAS3Rmorn pips1 04:46
jsgotangcoim gonna sleep04:47
jsgotangcociao04:47
pips1nn jsgotangco04:47
pips1I went to sleep way too late last night myself04:48
STORMCHAS3Rcbx33, ok, i got the keys for edubuntu04:49
STORMCHAS3Ranuthing else?04:49
pygicbx33, poke? :)04:50
cbx33pygi: I'm here04:50
pygigood luck with getting sponsorship, which you'll most probably get ^_^ (unlike me :P)04:51
cbx33y wouldn't you get it?04:52
cbx33that's silly04:52
cbx33you['ve done more than I Mr Pygi04:52
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pygicbx33, stop that I tell ya, and don't call me Mr, that's very funny ^_^04:53
cbx33STORMCHAS3R: that's the name of it....heh...I only wrote th man page  - you'd think I shoud remember04:53
cbx33Yagisan: !!!!04:53
cbx33sorry Mr pygi04:53
STORMCHAS3Rlol04:53
cbx33Yagisan: remember our discussion about the overheating of my PC04:53
cbx33http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/?p=13604:53
cbx33I wonder why.....04:53
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jsgotangcoyuckk that is one ugly fan04:54
pygicbx33, so just...good luck and hopefully you'll enjoy ^_^04:54
cbx33jsgotangco: I didn't choose it....04:54
cbx33heheh...thanks pygi 04:54
STORMCHAS3Rcbx33, i still cannot login on the thin client side :(04:54
cbx33hmm04:54
cbx33ok....tehre is a log file you should check04:54
Yagisancbx33, heh - I was right04:55
STORMCHAS3Rkicks me back to the login screen04:55
cbx33but I can't remember what it is right now04:55
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STORMCHAS3Rcbx33, do I need to do ltsp-update-client?04:58
cbx33don't think so04:59
STORMCHAS3RI dont need to be pushy, i am just trying to get this up and running for the school demo,  is there documentation that could help me?05:01
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bddebianHeya05:03
cbx33STORMCHAS3R: hang on dude05:03
cbx33just booting up a box so I can help you out05:03
pygimorning bddebian 05:03
bddebianHello pygi05:04
STORMCHAS3Rcbx33, i greatly appreciate this05:04
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cbx33stormchas3r: look in /var/log05:11
cbx33do tail auth.log05:11
cbx33and paste into a pastebin05:11
stormchas3rkk h.o05:14
stormchas3rcbx33, http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/2306/screenshotug2.png05:18
stormchas3rsrry pastebin wasnt working05:18
pygistormchas3r, ubuntu-nl.org/paste05:18
pygior something like that :P05:18
stormchas3rty05:18
stormchas3rcbx33, is this img legible?05:20
stormchas3romg05:22
stormchas3rcbx33, i fixed it05:22
cbx33nice one05:22
cbx33what was it?05:22
stormchas3ri had to do a 'ltsp-build-client'05:22
stormchas3rworks flawlessly now05:22
stormchas3rty again for your help05:22
stormchas3rpygi, there ya go, i could write about that, ;)05:23
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pygistormchas3r, hehe, we'll see, lol ^_^05:23
pygiBut you'll surely write something, yes :)05:23
stormchas3rhahha05:24
stormchas3rty05:24
sbalneavMorning all05:24
stormchas3ryou guys rule05:24
pygimorning sbalneav 05:24
bddebianHeya sbalneav05:24
stormchas3rmorn sbalneav 05:24
sbalneavogra's halfway across the atlantic by now :)05:24
pygisbalneav,  ^_^05:25
stormchas3risnt there a way to see the clients desktops on the server?05:25
pygisbalneav, I hope you're collecting ideas for that iscsi stuff since I have no clue about that :)05:25
sbalneavOn his way to where we are.05:25
pygistormchas3r, Student control panel I think ,perhaps not implemented yet05:26
cbx33pygi: nope it's not implemented yet05:26
cbx33will be in edgy +105:26
stormchas3rgotcha05:26
cbx33we just ran clean out of time05:26
stormchas3ri cant wait05:26
sbalneavpygi: Yes, I'll be putting some thought to it over the next couple of days.  Now that I'm away from my Real Life job, and working on my true calling :)05:26
pygisbalneav, nice, just so we have something at least ^_^ You'll be in MV, right?05:27
sbalneavMV?05:27
sbalneavAh, Mountain view05:27
pygisbalneav, the mountain view stuff :P05:27
sbalneavYes, should be.05:27
pygioki, nice05:28
sbalneavSo long as sabdfl wants me back.  Hopefully I'm seen as adding value to the process :)05:28
pygisbalneav, hehe ^_^05:28
pygisbalneav, you're important for this whole "burning devices support on thin clients" :)05:29
pygiAs said, I don't mean implementing this on my own ^_^05:29
sbalneavThat and other things :)05:29
pygiyes :P05:30
pygisbalneav, once you get time, I'd also like to familiarize you a bit with libisofs & libburn api05:30
pygiDon't want you to know nothing about it ^_^05:31
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paoloHi guys! I have a old cliend, it boots, but when it must go and show the graphic login it freezes (apparently). How do I check if it is still active? thank you05:35
stormchas3rRichEd, ty for the reply, i will be replying back to you shortly05:35
RichEdThanks ... I see you dropped your nick caps :)05:36
stormchas3rya, a little loud05:37
stormchas3rwhat other control apps are there else in edubuntu, ie, studentcontrol panel?05:42
stormchas3ri guess i am looking for the app that can lock down a student or session05:46
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stormchas3rpygi, what are the other tools to install to lock or control the sessions?05:55
pygistormchas3r, SCP :P05:55
pygiwhats wrong with scp?05:56
stormchas3rnothing is wrong with it, i just remember there is something else to adminster the sessions05:56
stormchas3rlike to state what the users can use05:57
pygithere are stuff like ControlAula, but I can't guarantee for quality of that05:57
stormchas3rgotcha05:57
pygistormchas3r, I can guarantee for SCP ^_^05:59
stormchas3rnot until edgy comes out right?05:59
pygistormchas3r, right ^_^06:00
stormchas3ri have scp installed, but can only see what precesses are running06:00
pygiscp is in dapper also, but not so good :P06:00
stormchas3ri used something the other day, but cant remember what its name is.  I could limit what the students are able to use and such06:00
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RichEdstormchas3r: check out the tuXlabs cookbook PDF ... they use & have developed a few additional management apps that are not in Edubuntu standard06:10
stormchas3rRichEd, ahhh yes,  thats it, ty06:13
pygiRichEd, ^_^06:15
RichEd:)06:18
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stormchas3rfyi, it was called pessulus06:36
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cbx33ping pygi 06:44
pygipoke cbx33, how may I help you? :)06:44
cbx33pygi, hehehe06:44
pygisankarshan, pessulus? that isn't related to managing clients ^_^06:44
pygistormchas3r, *06:44
pygicbx33, no, really, why the pinging stuff? :)06:45
cbx33pygi, well pessulus is a little related06:45
cbx33as it is integrated into SCP now ;)06:45
sankarshan:)06:45
pygicbx33, I know that, but stormchas3r said he wanna use pessulus instead of scp :)06:45
pygisankarshan, sorry ^_^06:45
cbx33pygi, aobut these sounds06:45
cbx33I'm curious as to your thoughts ;)06:46
stormchas3rlol06:51
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pygistormchas3r, ofcourse it is ^_^06:54
stormchas3rlol06:57
pygistormchas3r, just you laugh ^_^06:59
stormchas3r?06:59
stormchas3rpygi, i was laughing at the face you made07:00
pygi^_^07:00
stormchas3rya that one07:00
stormchas3r;)07:01
LaserJockcbx33: ping?07:26
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=== highvoltage sighs a big sigh of relief
pygihighvoltage, hm? :)07:33
Petarisheh, at least some one can sigh of relief07:33
highvoltagepygi: our local lug committed to a big space at the local futurex/equip/linuxworld/computer faire expo, but didn't haven any funding07:34
highvoltageand we just got confirmation from a company who will fund the space, 10 laptops, PC's, 2MB internet connection, t-shirts, and someother goodies07:34
pygihighvoltage, very nice ^_^07:35
highvoltage^_^07:35
Petariscool07:36
=== LaserJock is going to shoot the next person who uses ^_^ :p
pygihighvoltage, will you present libburn? ^_^07:36
LaserJockdoh07:36
pygiLaserJock, :)07:36
LaserJockI keep thinking you are pointing up or something :-)07:37
highvoltagehehe, I doubt it, we will have two freedom toasters, but they use cdrecord :/07:37
pygiLaserJock, lol :)07:37
pygihighvoltage, heh :'(07:37
pygihighvoltage, next year you shall inform me, then I'll come there and make them use libburn :P By that time libburn should rock even more ^_^07:39
highvoltagepygi: there's still two weeks left ;)07:39
pygihighvoltage, nah, libburn isn't ready for dvd burning without my hacks anyway07:39
pyginext year it will be..07:40
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pygik, I'm about to run now07:41
pygienjoy all07:41
bddebianLater pygi07:42
highvoltagebye py07:42
highvoltageI mean...07:42
highvoltagebye pygi!07:42
cbx33LaserJock, pong07:57
LaserJockcbx33: did you or ogra fix the SCP deps?08:00
cbx33I havn't fixed them08:00
cbx33as I only knew yesterday there was something wrong08:00
LaserJockhmm, I wonder when ogra will be online?08:00
cbx33don;t know08:02
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BurgworkLaserJock, ogra is flying to the us for the LTSP summit08:17
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LaserJockBurgwork: yeah, I just though maybe he was already there08:59
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pygihey ho Amaranth ^_^11:04
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