[12:11] I try your simple suggestion [12:11] and if it will be released in oct., I'm not afraid at all === Viper550 [n=Viper550@d57-121-167.home.cgocable.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:14] jeroenvrp: watch out... dist-upgrades aren't 100% clean yet [12:15] and release in late october is no guarantee of current stability :) [12:15] I hope you don't intend on saving any documents with openoffice [12:15] :) [12:15] jdong: why/ [12:15] there's still bugs here and there [12:16] ok, but I used dapper for 5 months, whil ein production [12:16] and it takes a few dist-upgrade / apt-get -f install / apt-get install kubuntu-desktop cycles to pull everything in [12:16] and whats uo whi ooo [12:16] up with OOo [12:16] saving a document causes it to crash [12:16] jdong: ok [12:16] because it's yet to be recompiled against dbus 0.92 [12:16] jdong: mmm [12:16] yeah, not a pretty one :( [12:16] allthough I use koffice more [12:16] found that out the hard way the first time :( [12:17] otherwise, edgy feels pretty good right now [12:17] it should treat you well [12:17] and when will it be compiled [12:17] jeroenvrp: no ETA [12:17] it seems like it's not a priority [12:17] oh I will try it [12:17] when OOo 2.0.4 is uploaded, they'll build it properly [12:17] http://bootsplash.org/kubundu1309-fjpg75.ogg [12:17] someone test that and see if it works on your machine [12:18] anyway, I used something with alselect when I updated from breezy to dapper-alpha in january === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:18] jeroenvrp: huh? you mean dselect-upgrade? [12:18] oooh [12:18] jes thats the one [12:18] sorry [12:18] it's not much better than dist-upgrade [12:18] you can run them in alternation until everything gets pulled in [12:18] so just using bot to be sure? [12:19] bith [12:19] if you end up with any kept back packages, do an "apt-get install PACKAGENAME" manually for each one [12:19] both [12:19] yes, and manually install any kept back packages [12:19] jdong: oh I know those one [12:19] s [12:19] jeroenvrp: yeah, but this time I had around 50 of them :) [12:19] usually I have like 3 [12:19] with dapper I had that very often [12:19] jdong: thats not fne [12:19] anyhow, [12:19] I will try it [12:19] I feeling bored [12:19] and I'm not sure if your first reboot will work... upstart might not reboot properly [12:20] if it doesn't, sync and hit the reset button :) [12:20] jdong: I'm creative [12:20] good luck man [12:20] thanks === claydoh [n=clay@216-220-236-117.midmaine.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:21] le me first uninstall the manual compiled checkinstall packages === kwwii_ is off to bed now...night all === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=clay@216-220-236-117.midmaine.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === danimo [n=danimo@kde/danimo] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:53] heya [01:55] morning danimo === danimo is back on a freshly installed edgy [01:55] the background is now much more agreeable :) [01:56] :) [01:56] does usplash work for you? [01:56] Riddell: minicli locks up X here from time to time [01:56] Riddell: well, sort of [01:56] Riddell: my grub installation is hosed [01:56] Riddell: is there a debian/kubuntu way of reinstalled grub? [01:57] Riddell: that is, adding kernels, external OSes, etc [01:57] danimo: not especially [01:57] Riddell: argl [01:57] Riddell: usplash works for me when using a vga switch [02:01] Riddell: but it really feels fast, which is nice [02:01] Riddell: can you send me your menu.lst? [02:01] danimo, you should be able to "regerate" a generic source.list by "sudo update-grub" [02:02] danimo: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/menu.lst [02:02] it wont reinstall grub but it will make a current menu.lst with the installed kernels [02:03] imbrandon: I know, grub is there [02:03] imbrandon: but the menu.lst is not from kubuntu [02:03] ahh yea you will need Riddell's then and then possible regerate it ( so it gets your current kernel ) [02:03] Riddell: download stalls [02:04] works for me [02:04] imbrandon: is there a regenerate command? [02:04] sudo update-grub [02:04] is the regerate command [02:05] but it needs the defaults from the top of the file of a {k}ubuntu menu.list [02:05] to work right === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mbiebl [n=michael@dslb-084-057-228-055.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:06] Howdy === danimo goes checking [02:06] danimo, should look something like http://pastebin.ca/169549 if it works [02:07] heya bddebian [02:07] Heya imbrandon === Riddell spots imbrandon on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuDeveloperSummitMountainView/Sponsorship [02:10] hehe [02:10] yup [02:10] imbrandon: you do mean menu.lst and not sources.list, right ;-) [02:10] jdong, yea [02:10] just checking [02:11] Riddell, hopefully they poke me in ;) === imbrandon dosent see Riddell on the list though [02:11] I wonder what other kubuntu types we should try and get sponsorship for === jdong wants to go for forum-ubuntu integration [02:11] but my health really can't take it right now :( === jdong goes back to his depressed state, and reaches for painkillers [02:12] hrm *thinks* [02:12] brb one sec [02:13] what about tonio sime ummm [02:13] Riddell, ^ === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:14] they both were sponsored last time, you don't usually get sponsored twice in a row [02:14] hobbsee will still be at uni afaik [02:15] ahh dident know that [02:15] actually tonio wasn't sponsored [02:15] since he's from paris [02:15] ;) [02:16] heh we really do have a small kore ( yea a pun ) team , i just realized HOW small it is [02:16] lol === seth [n=seth@ubuntu/member/sethkinast] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:17] with as much stuff as nixternal sticks his nose into he should come too ( for the k-docteam ) maybe, i dunno how much of that would be covered at a dev summit though [02:17] imbrandon: it's knot that bad considering all the non-kore support we get around here :) [02:17] imbrandon: and I'm sure you mean the doK team [02:17] lol [02:19] wow Seveas is on the list too this time, i just noticed that [02:19] hm? [02:19] so Riddell since you were sponsored last time even though you work for canonical you probably wont be this time ? [02:20] Seveas, the dev summit list [02:20] I wasn't sponsored last time, maybe better luck now [02:20] yea i mean i dident see you on the list last time , but i never looked at it that close as i pretty much knew i wasent gonna get to make it [02:20] this time i probably can even if not sponsored but it will be hard [02:21] ( real hard heh ) === RichJ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:24] imbrandon: canonical people are always sponsored [02:25] ahh ok [02:25] i was wondering heheh === RichJ is now known as nixternal_ === danimo [n=danimo@kde/danimo] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:27] re [02:27] Riddell: works like a charm [02:27] danimo, FYI [19:06] danimo, should look something like http://pastebin.ca/169549 if it works [02:27] Riddell: but please, please: disable those cheapish drop shadows [02:27] you bolted before i got it out [02:27] tnx [02:28] and why was the konq intro screen patch reverted? [02:28] we're gonna do it not soooooo purpleish [02:28] imbrandon: yes, I saw [02:28] some but not totaly like before [02:29] infact i should get that ready for when the feeze is over [02:29] imbrandon: prolly more like the current kdm theme [02:29] danimo: which drop shadows? [02:29] for menus [02:29] yea mostly only css changes this time instead of images ( that way too if can be easly reverted if someone dosent use the default theme ) [02:30] wow i liked those [02:30] ( the menu drops ) [02:30] imbrandon: they are very, very broken [02:30] imbrandon: and that looks poor [02:30] imbrandon: because it's a fake shadow [02:30] I saw it, the search box got dropped. nice! [02:30] hrm dosent seem to be here but that could be just me [02:31] imbrandon: do you have them enabled? [02:32] http://federation.imbrandon.com/danimo.png [02:32] yea see [02:32] imbrandon: anyway, lots of artifacts in the shadows if you open submenus [02:33] yea i dont have some problems some people do it seems , thats why i said with a grain of salt that it works for me heh [02:33] anyhow its food time, be back in ~20 minutes [02:34] imbrandon: it's a problem for anyone, but maybe it's rare or subtle enough to remain unseen for many [02:34] anyway, bedtime here [02:35] bye! [02:42] alright, time to sleep now that I have 5 hours worth of pain relief [02:42] good night, everyone! [02:42] g'nite [02:42] gnight jdong [02:49] morning all [02:51] mornin' freeflying! [02:51] :) [02:51] hi freeflying [02:51] hey Riddell [02:52] hey Riddell, you want to let Mithrandr know about the Knot 3 release page? or should I drop him a quick ping? it isn't complete yet..i have a couple more things to add tonight when i get home [02:53] heya freeflying [02:53] nixternal_: he knows about it [02:53] imbrandon: hi [02:55] groovy [02:56] kde4 in edgy now, cool :) [02:57] did kde 4 build? [02:57] whoa..speaking of kde4..walking into the uni tonight..i walk past this class..and i hear a british accent..and then i hear "konqi" [02:57] i stop for a second and try to listen in..the class is working on some konqi stuff in kde4 and were talking bits and bytes [02:58] nixternal_: any idea who it was? [02:58] it was a c++ class actually working on kde4 code [02:58] no Riddell, but the class gets out when mine does..when i break here..i am going to go and find out if possible [02:59] nixternal, cool [02:59] i want to know why im not in that class ;) [02:59] nixternal, find out the distro they use in class too ( kubuntu ;P ) [02:59] ok..that guy is a new instructor here... [02:59] Fedora Core [02:59] take it next semester [02:59] i am ;) [03:00] that is why i booted up a kubuntu cd here...i can't use fedora any more [03:00] it is so horrid [03:00] i had it installed a few days if it wasent so dam slow it would be nice, it "looks" nice [03:01] lol [03:01] it is "clean" [03:01] but... [03:01] clean isnt the word i would use [03:01] it isn't home, if you know what i mean [03:01] it is like staying in a hotel...it is ok, but it isn't perfect ;) === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:03] hi Hobbsee [03:04] heh you havent been to my house, i rather like hotels better , nothing is "broke" [03:04] heya Hobbsee [03:04] hiya Hobbsee! [03:04] something breaks here i have to fix it, something breaks in the hotel i call the front desk ;) [03:04] hehehe [03:04] hey Riddell [03:04] hey imbrandon === Hobbsee dealt with pointers and the like today. the idea of crashing people's computers is fun!!! :P [03:04] imbrandon: ROFL [03:04] i hear you there [03:04] hey nixternal_ [03:05] my old house was the same [03:05] ok...break time..let me go find this feller who was hacking kde4 === imbrandon hugs c# , no pointers ( well not easily ) [03:05] imbrandon: jabber.org down? [03:05] heh [03:05] Hobbsee, i think so, i cant log in [03:05] imbrandon: c# is banned from this channel [03:05] just happened a few minutes ago [03:05] it seems to me that pointers are effectively symlinks. so i dont see how that's hard [03:05] imbrandon: ah right [03:06] Riddell: hehe, dont like c#? [03:06] Riddell, awwww but there IS c# qt stuff going on [03:06] ;) [03:06] there's also qt bindings in non-proprietry languages too [03:07] c# is ecma ask miguel hehe [03:07] oooh...i better not say the class i am in right now then === nixternal_ is in c# for .CRAP [03:07] hahah yea i forgot your in the c# calss atm nixternal_ [03:07] lol [03:07] class* [03:08] ok i'll give you c# isnt perfect but its TONS better then the truely propiatary java that so many love [03:08] c# is atleaste ecma and java is well sun microsystems [03:09] it is pretty cool actually [03:09] imbrandon: write my assignment for me now that you're in core. kthnksbye! === imbrandon shuts up before Riddell /kicks him === mode/#kubuntu-devel [+o Hobbsee] by ChanServ [03:09] we are playing with Ruby tonight...that is pretty sweet as well [03:09] lol [03:09] Hobbsee, die irl kthxbye ;) [03:09] Hobbsee: stop! === mode/#kubuntu-devel [-o Hobbsee] by ChanServ [03:09] awww... [03:09] should i go hide in a corner? [03:10] lol === Hobbsee has obviously spent too much time policing #ubuntu-offtopic [03:10] -offtopic is policed? [03:10] imbrandon: you just wait. when i do, i'll make sure that i die all over you :P [03:10] heh a bit ( when Hobbsee is there ) [03:10] Riddell: well...yes. [03:10] imbrandon: i dont do it, most of the time [03:10] and / or DBO [03:10] and ompaul, thoreaputic, etc [03:11] madpilot [03:11] not just me! [03:11] imbrandon: you going to the conference, then? [03:11] hehe well .... [03:11] yes well. just i get the blame. [03:11] Hobbsee, gonna try my dardest to make it [03:11] nice [03:11] darndest? [03:11] heh === ryanakca [n=ryan@unaffiliated/ryanakca] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:12] i put in for sponsorship, i have no idea when they review those [03:12] probably not for a cupple of weeks [03:12] we need more KDEish people there , heh [03:13] well KDEish developer people [03:13] heh, go for it === imbrandon looks at Hobbsee , so /you/ gonna try to go? === Hobbsee looks away [03:13] skip class for a week [03:13] i'm sure you dont want me there [03:14] as long as you dont /kick me irl it will be all good ;) [03:14] Hobbsee: we do [03:14] serouisly , why not? a week shouldent be terrible to catch up on the uni [03:14] on at* [03:15] it's a few days before exams are due to start, and you know how silly i am :P [03:15] you can study at night in the hotel room ;) [03:15] imbrandon: what's this concept of "study" that you speak of? [03:15] hahaha === Hobbsee has a maths assignment due in 10 hours, and is sittign and chatting on irc. [03:16] see, wouldent be much diffrent ;) [03:16] heh [03:16] just that i'd be silly and crazy in real life, instead of over irc :P [03:17] as long as work was getting done i'm sure your not the /only/ crazy type dev ;) [03:17] s/crazy/weird or something/ [03:17] :P === imbrandon rembers pictures of undergarments on someones head in paris [03:19] i think you can be assured that i *wouldnt* do something like that. [03:19] hahah i would hope not === imbrandon go's to rummage through some LP bug reports to find something to do [03:20] oh yeah, i had a bug i was going to point you at. [03:20] wonder what it was [03:21] heh [03:22] imbrandon: https://launchpad.net/bugs/59189 i think [03:22] Malone bug 59189 in amarok "Please compile with Creative Nomad support through libnjb" [Wishlist,Confirmed] [03:22] yea i was just looking at that [03:23] also https://launchpad.net/bugs/58175 should be looked at - not sure if it's in our packages or not [03:23] Malone bug 58175 in kdebase "Kate hangs on spellcheck" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] [03:23] at least my touchpad isnt on crack today [03:23] but libnjp and libmtp are in universe atm ( for microsoft and nomad amarok support ) [03:23] njb* [03:23] yes, that's the problem [03:24] well, you're core-dev now. Make the MIRs happen. [03:24] i guess i could do some main inclusion reports if they dont rely on anything else [03:24] hehe yea crimsun i was just thinking the same thing heh [03:24] yes, yay! i dont have to think about going for core now - i can get imbrandon to upload all of my stuff. and Riddell :P [03:25] lol, no you still do /someday/ ;) [03:25] oh darned keybuk. [03:26] imbrandon: fix https://launchpad.net/bugs/59456 please [03:26] Malone bug 59456 in libksba "Please sync libksba (main) from unstable (main)" [Untriaged,Rejected] [03:26] it's straight from unstable, for crying out loud. it would have been autosynced, normally, anyway. [03:27] did you test build it ? [03:27] whats ksba anyhow [03:28] imbrandon: yes of course i did. [03:28] imbrandon: it's just that it's in main, and i didnt realise [03:28] i dont know, i need it for something else. [03:29] look in ~/TODO/libkbsa to find out what i needed it for. === Hobbsee is reminded of a spec she was doing with mithrandir [03:32] Hobbsee, done [03:32] imbrandon: thanks [03:33] ah, main's still frozen [03:34] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52670 needs fixing too [03:34] Malone bug 52670 in mozilla-thunderbird "Thunderbird uses konqueror as web browser" [Wishlist,Confirmed] [03:34] Riddell, not that i mind but alot of people are recomending my repo for amarok over the kubuntu.org one becosue they miss that they need the -backports enabled , could you make that bold or something on the amarok 1.4.3 page ? === haggai [n=halls@i-83-67-59-194.freedom2surf.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ryanakca [n=ryan@unaffiliated/ryanakca] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:36] imbrandon: doe [03:36] done [03:37] Riddell, cool thanks [03:37] hehe [03:37] i just keep seeing my name hilighted in #kubuntu and noticed it the last 2 days and forgot to ask [03:38] thats one good thing about having your irc nick in the url i guess ;) [03:40] argh dammit. i know why i'm in a crap mood - i forgot to eat anything again. bad Hobbsee! === imbrandon hands Hobbsee a cracker ( with honey on top , good sugar ) [03:41] :) === Hobbsee found some bread rolls last night, and is quietly munching on them in the library [03:42] Hobbsee: hey, have you gotten around to reviewing that iconset? I uploaded one with the fixed you told me in irc... didn't see any comments on REVU though :S [03:42] ryanakca: sorry, no i didnt. [03:42] Hobbsee: kk, whenever you get a chance, before September 28th... please :) === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@221.221.163.246] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:43] ryanakca: remind me next week? [03:43] Hobbsee: kk === Hobbsee only has one more day of uni before break [03:44] well, midsemester break, so i can catch up on all the uni work that i've missed. [03:44] danimo: want to come to the ubuntu conference? [03:44] then i can look at the conference, i guess [03:48] jdong, see my command on 60109 [03:48] bug 60109 [03:48] Malone bug 60109 in dapper-backports "blender update 2.42a" [Wishlist,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/60109 [03:48] errm jdong isnt here ...... [03:48] nvm [03:51] nixternal_: we should also have oem-config and accessibility profiles in knot 3 review [03:51] roger that! [03:51] although I havn't actually tested them yet :) [03:51] ya..the accessibility...that is pretty cool [03:51] i played with accessibility really quick [03:51] it didn't crash [03:52] bah. no fun. it's way more fun if it crashes [03:52] hehe [03:52] hrm Riddell wasent there an easy way to check that something has main only deps from the cli ? [03:52] or crimsun ^^ ( i think you told me once before ) [03:53] don't think so [03:53] hum okies , i'll do it that hard way ;) [03:55] nixternal_: does that mean we'll actually get to upload the docs soon? [03:55] i am guessing so Riddell [03:55] i have been a comitting fool this week [03:57] night Riddell [03:58] ahhhh Riddell i think i found out why ipodslave is still in the queue [03:58] imbrandon: why? [03:58] we dident do #3 ( will have to wait till after knot 3 ) on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuMainInclusionQueue [03:59] shouldn't matter [03:59] i was just re-reading it as i was doing libnjb [04:00] imbrandon: one of these days, when it slows down for more than 5 minutes, you are going to run me through a quick class to get me up to speed on the "dev" stuff around here...now that I am finally knocking the rust off [04:00] ;) [04:00] nixternal hehe ok [04:00] Riddell, ok so it will still get approved/rejected without adding it ( say when i do libnjb i dont have to add it to amarok right away ? ) === imbrandon notes that thanksfully all libnjb's {build-}deps are already in main [04:02] imbrandon: correct [04:03] ok cool, i was just interpreting that wrong then [04:11] Riddell, oh wow , hey [04:12] Riddell, libnjb is already approved , i just went to do it and someone else has already and pitti approved it ( but its still in universe ) [04:12] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportLibnjb [04:12] does that mean i just need to build and upload it ? ( after knot of course ) [04:12] s/knot/knot3 [04:13] snot3 [04:19] ( two months ago at that, looks like someone was planning to do it and droped the ball ) [04:19] building in pbuilder with it now to test [04:19] yeah, it was talked about a while ago [04:20] cool well that takes care of half of it, the libmtp is only on debian mentors ( but its botched up , so i might fix/repackage it and upload to universe then get a MIR ) [04:20] thats the only two libs that ppl seem to scream about and takes care of 99.9999% of mp3 devices [04:21] ipod , microsoft ( any playfor sure device ) , and creative ( nomads ) [04:21] i have tested 5 different mp3 players with Kubuntu Edgy recently..and all of them have worked with no problems [04:22] one is nothing more than a freakin' usb mem stick [04:22] s/playfor\ sure\ device/playforsure\ devices/g [04:22] hehe [04:22] right [04:22] yea 90% or more work with the way ipods work [04:22] or as a normal mass storage usb device [04:23] the other 20% are 15% creative and 5% MS [04:23] ya, which is weird..as i have this crap one that says it is "open" but when you plug it in, to linux or windows, it is recognized as an ipod [04:23] hehe [04:23] but that 20% screams loud ;) [04:23] the creative one had an issue in dapper, but works in edgy [04:24] why someone would have ms ones are beyond me ;) [04:24] i have a sansa , that works fine. shows up as an usb disk [04:24] yea but not OOTB ( libnjb is was in universe ) [04:24] its also a plays for sure thing [04:24] yea that falls under [21:22] or as a normal mass storage usb device [04:24] but the "true" MS ones use MTP [04:25] an embraced and extended PTP by MS [04:25] heh === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm120.omega23.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel === goldenear [n=goldenea@vol75-4-82-225-33-186.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:57] hmm, konqueror on edgy live cd shows weird colors. [04:58] purple ? [05:00] robotgeek, if you mean purple and blue then its the incomplete theme ( it got removed a day or so ago ) [05:03] imbrandon: ah okay, purple mostly with i think one image being blue [05:03] i'm using knot2 [05:03] robotgeek, yup thats it [05:03] yea if you update it will change [05:03] back to normal [05:04] but its just an incomplete theme is all [05:04] nah, i'm on a live cd :) [05:04] no real biggie [05:04] if you goto the help browser its the exact opsite [05:04] heh === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua_@122.0.229.226] has joined #kubuntu-devel === DaSkreech [n=skreech@port0002-abm-adsl.cwjamaica.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:17] NIght all [06:18] night DaSkreech [06:18] HI Hobbsee. How's it Hanging? [06:19]