[12:11] <jeroenvrp> I try your simple suggestion
[12:11] <jeroenvrp> and if it will be released in oct., I'm not afraid at all
[12:14] <jdong> jeroenvrp: watch out... dist-upgrades aren't 100% clean yet
[12:15] <jdong> and release in late october is no guarantee of current stability :)
[12:15] <jdong> I hope you don't intend on saving any documents with openoffice
[12:15] <jdong> :)
[12:15] <jeroenvrp> jdong: why/
[12:15] <jdong> there's still bugs here and there
[12:16] <jeroenvrp> ok, but I used dapper for 5 months, whil ein production
[12:16] <jdong> and it takes a few dist-upgrade / apt-get -f install / apt-get install kubuntu-desktop cycles to pull everything in
[12:16] <jeroenvrp> and whats uo whi ooo
[12:16] <jeroenvrp> up with OOo
[12:16] <jdong> saving a document causes it to crash
[12:16] <jeroenvrp> jdong: ok
[12:16] <jdong> because it's yet to be recompiled against dbus 0.92
[12:16] <jeroenvrp> jdong: mmm
[12:16] <jdong> yeah, not a pretty one :(
[12:16] <jeroenvrp> allthough I use koffice more
[12:16] <jdong> found that out the hard way the first time :(
[12:17] <jdong> otherwise, edgy feels pretty good right now
[12:17] <jdong> it should treat you well
[12:17] <jeroenvrp> and when will it be compiled
[12:17] <jdong> jeroenvrp: no ETA
[12:17] <jdong> it seems like it's not a priority
[12:17] <jeroenvrp> oh I will try it
[12:17] <jdong> when OOo 2.0.4 is uploaded, they'll build it properly
[12:17] <kwwii_> http://bootsplash.org/kubundu1309-fjpg75.ogg
[12:17] <kwwii_> someone test that and see if it works on your machine
[12:18] <jeroenvrp> anyway, I used something with alselect when I updated from breezy to dapper-alpha in january
[12:18] <jdong> jeroenvrp: huh? you mean dselect-upgrade?
[12:18] <jeroenvrp> oooh
[12:18] <jeroenvrp> jes thats the one
[12:18] <jeroenvrp> sorry
[12:18] <jdong> it's not much better than dist-upgrade
[12:18] <jdong> you can run them in alternation until everything gets pulled in
[12:18] <jeroenvrp> so just using bot to be sure?
[12:19] <jeroenvrp> bith
[12:19] <jdong> if you end up with any kept back packages, do an "apt-get install PACKAGENAME" manually for each one
[12:19] <jeroenvrp> both
[12:19] <jdong> yes, and manually install any kept back packages
[12:19] <jeroenvrp> jdong: oh I know those one
[12:19] <jeroenvrp> s
[12:19] <jdong> jeroenvrp: yeah, but this time I had around 50 of them :)
[12:19] <jdong> usually I have like 3
[12:19] <jeroenvrp> with dapper I had that very often
[12:19] <jeroenvrp> jdong: thats not fne
[12:19] <jeroenvrp> anyhow, 
[12:19] <jeroenvrp> I will try it
[12:19] <jeroenvrp> I feeling bored
[12:19] <jdong> and I'm not sure if your first reboot will work... upstart might not reboot properly
[12:20] <jdong> if it doesn't, sync and hit the reset button :)
[12:20] <jeroenvrp> jdong: I'm creative
[12:20] <jdong> good luck man
[12:20] <jeroenvrp> thanks
[12:21] <jeroenvrp> le me first uninstall the manual compiled checkinstall packages
[01:53] <danimo> heya
[01:55] <Riddell> morning danimo 
[01:55] <danimo> the background is now much more agreeable :)
[01:56] <Riddell> :)
[01:56] <Riddell> does usplash work for you?
[01:56] <danimo> Riddell: minicli locks up X here from time to time
[01:56] <danimo> Riddell: well, sort of
[01:56] <danimo> Riddell: my grub installation is hosed
[01:56] <danimo> Riddell: is there a debian/kubuntu way of reinstalled grub?
[01:57] <danimo> Riddell: that is, adding kernels, external OSes, etc
[01:57] <Riddell> danimo: not especially
[01:57] <danimo> Riddell: argl
[01:57] <danimo> Riddell: usplash works for me when using a vga switch
[02:01] <danimo> Riddell: but it really feels fast, which is nice
[02:01] <danimo> Riddell: can you send me your menu.lst?
[02:01] <imbrandon> danimo, you should be able to "regerate" a generic source.list by "sudo update-grub"
[02:02] <Riddell> danimo: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/menu.lst
[02:02] <imbrandon> it wont reinstall grub but it will make a current menu.lst with the installed kernels
[02:03] <danimo> imbrandon: I know, grub is there
[02:03] <danimo> imbrandon: but the menu.lst is not from kubuntu
[02:03] <imbrandon> ahh yea you will need Riddell's then and then possible regerate it ( so it gets your current kernel )
[02:03] <danimo> Riddell: download stalls
[02:04] <Riddell> works for me
[02:04] <danimo> imbrandon: is there a regenerate command?
[02:04] <imbrandon> sudo update-grub
[02:04] <imbrandon> is the regerate command
[02:05] <imbrandon> but it needs the defaults from the top of the file of a {k}ubuntu menu.list
[02:05] <imbrandon> to work right
[02:06] <bddebian> Howdy
[02:06] <imbrandon> danimo, should look something like http://pastebin.ca/169549 if it works
[02:07] <imbrandon> heya bddebian
[02:07] <bddebian> Heya imbrandon
[02:10] <imbrandon> hehe
[02:10] <imbrandon> yup
[02:10] <jdong> imbrandon: you do mean menu.lst and not sources.list, right ;-)
[02:10] <imbrandon> jdong, yea
[02:10] <jdong> just checking
[02:11] <imbrandon> Riddell, hopefully they poke me in ;)
[02:11] <Riddell> I wonder what other kubuntu types we should try and get sponsorship for
[02:11] <jdong> but my health really can't take it right now :(
[02:12] <imbrandon> hrm *thinks* 
[02:12] <imbrandon> brb one sec 
[02:13] <imbrandon> what about tonio sime ummm
[02:13] <imbrandon> Riddell, ^
[02:14] <Riddell> they both were sponsored last time, you don't usually get sponsored twice in a row
[02:14] <imbrandon> hobbsee will still be at uni afaik
[02:15] <imbrandon> ahh dident know that
[02:15] <Riddell> actually tonio wasn't sponsored
[02:15] <Riddell> since he's from paris
[02:15] <imbrandon> ;)
[02:16] <imbrandon> heh we really do have a small kore ( yea a pun ) team , i just realized HOW small it is 
[02:16] <imbrandon> lol
[02:17] <imbrandon> with as much stuff as nixternal sticks his nose into he should come too ( for the k-docteam ) maybe, i dunno how much of that would be covered at a dev summit though
[02:17] <jdong> imbrandon: it's knot that bad considering all the non-kore support we get around here :)
[02:17] <jdong> imbrandon: and I'm sure you mean the doK team
[02:17] <imbrandon> lol
[02:19] <imbrandon> wow Seveas is on the list too this time, i just noticed that
[02:19] <Seveas> hm?
[02:19] <imbrandon> so Riddell since you were sponsored last time even though you work for canonical you probably wont be this time ?
[02:20] <imbrandon> Seveas, the dev summit list
[02:20] <Seveas> I wasn't sponsored last time, maybe better luck now
[02:20] <imbrandon> yea i mean i dident see you on the list last time , but i never looked at it that close as i pretty much knew i wasent gonna get to make it
[02:20] <imbrandon> this time i probably can even if not sponsored but it will be hard
[02:21] <imbrandon> ( real hard heh )
[02:24] <Riddell> imbrandon: canonical people are always sponsored
[02:25] <imbrandon> ahh ok
[02:25] <imbrandon> i was wondering heheh
[02:27] <danimo> re
[02:27] <danimo> Riddell: works like a charm
[02:27] <imbrandon> danimo, FYI [19:06]  <imbrandon> danimo, should look something like http://pastebin.ca/169549 if it works
[02:27] <danimo> Riddell: but please, please: disable those cheapish drop shadows
[02:27] <imbrandon> you bolted before i got it out
[02:27] <danimo> tnx
[02:28] <danimo> and why was the konq intro screen patch reverted?
[02:28] <imbrandon> we're gonna do it not soooooo purpleish
[02:28] <danimo> imbrandon: yes, I saw
[02:28] <imbrandon> some but not totaly like before
[02:29] <imbrandon> infact i should get that ready for when the feeze is over
[02:29] <danimo> imbrandon: prolly more like the current kdm theme
[02:29] <Riddell> danimo: which drop shadows?
[02:29] <danimo> for menus
[02:29] <imbrandon> yea mostly only css changes this time instead of images ( that way too if can be easly reverted if someone dosent use the default theme )
[02:30] <imbrandon> wow i liked those
[02:30] <imbrandon> ( the menu drops )
[02:30] <danimo> imbrandon: they are very, very broken
[02:30] <danimo> imbrandon: and that looks poor
[02:30] <danimo> imbrandon: because it's a fake shadow
[02:30] <danimo> I saw it, the search box got dropped. nice!
[02:30] <imbrandon> hrm dosent seem to be here but that could be just me
[02:31] <danimo> imbrandon: do you have them enabled?
[02:32] <imbrandon> http://federation.imbrandon.com/danimo.png
[02:32] <imbrandon> yea see
[02:32] <danimo> imbrandon: anyway, lots of artifacts in the shadows if you open submenus
[02:33] <imbrandon> yea i dont have some problems some people do it seems , thats why i said with a grain of salt that it works for me heh
[02:33] <imbrandon> anyhow its food time, be back in ~20 minutes
[02:34] <danimo> imbrandon: it's a problem for anyone, but maybe it's rare or subtle enough to remain unseen for many
[02:34] <danimo> anyway, bedtime here
[02:35] <danimo> bye!
[02:42] <jdong> alright, time to sleep now that I have 5 hours worth of pain relief
[02:42] <jdong> good night, everyone!
[02:42] <nixternal_> g'nite
[02:42] <imbrandon> gnight jdong
[02:49] <freeflying> morning all
[02:51] <nixternal_> mornin' freeflying!
[02:51] <freeflying> :)
[02:51] <Riddell> hi freeflying 
[02:51] <freeflying> hey Riddell 
[02:52] <nixternal_> hey Riddell, you want to let Mithrandr know about the Knot 3 release page?  or should I drop him a quick ping?  it isn't complete yet..i have a couple more things to add tonight when i get home
[02:53] <imbrandon> heya freeflying
[02:53] <Riddell> nixternal_: he knows about it
[02:53] <freeflying> imbrandon: hi
[02:55] <nixternal_> groovy
[02:56] <freeflying> kde4 in edgy now, cool  :)
[02:57] <Riddell> did kde 4 build?
[02:57] <nixternal_> whoa..speaking of kde4..walking into the uni tonight..i walk past this class..and i hear a british accent..and then i hear "konqi"
[02:57] <nixternal_> i stop for a second and try to listen in..the class is working on some konqi stuff in kde4 and were talking bits and bytes
[02:58] <Riddell> nixternal_: any idea who it was?
[02:58] <nixternal_> it was a c++ class actually working on kde4 code
[02:58] <nixternal_> no Riddell, but the class gets out when mine does..when i break here..i am going to go and find out if possible
[02:59] <imbrandon> nixternal, cool
[02:59] <nixternal_> i want to know why im not in that class ;)
[02:59] <imbrandon> nixternal, find out the distro they use in class too ( kubuntu ;P )
[02:59] <nixternal_> ok..that guy is a new instructor here...
[02:59] <nixternal_> Fedora Core
[02:59] <imbrandon> take it next semester
[02:59] <nixternal_> i am ;)
[03:00] <nixternal_> that is why i booted up a kubuntu cd here...i can't use fedora any more
[03:00] <nixternal_> it is so horrid
[03:00] <imbrandon> i had it installed a few days if it wasent so dam slow it would be nice, it "looks" nice
[03:01] <nixternal_> lol
[03:01] <nixternal_> it is "clean"
[03:01] <nixternal_> but...
[03:01] <imbrandon> clean isnt the word i would use
[03:01] <nixternal_> it isn't home, if you know what i mean
[03:01] <nixternal_> it is like staying in a hotel...it is ok, but it isn't perfect ;)
[03:03] <Riddell> hi Hobbsee 
[03:04] <imbrandon> heh you havent been to my house, i rather like hotels better , nothing is "broke" 
[03:04] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee
[03:04] <nixternal_> hiya Hobbsee!
[03:04] <imbrandon> something breaks here i have to fix it, something breaks in the hotel i call the front desk ;)
[03:04] <imbrandon> hehehe
[03:04] <Hobbsee> hey Riddell 
[03:04] <Hobbsee> hey imbrandon 
[03:04] <nixternal_> imbrandon: ROFL
[03:04] <nixternal_> i hear you there
[03:04] <Hobbsee> hey nixternal_ 
[03:05] <nixternal_> my old house was the same
[03:05] <nixternal_> ok...break time..let me go find this feller who was hacking kde4
[03:05] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: jabber.org down?
[03:05] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:05] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, i think so, i cant log in
[03:05] <Riddell> imbrandon: c# is banned from this channel
[03:05] <imbrandon> just happened a few minutes ago
[03:05] <Hobbsee> it seems to me that pointers are effectively symlinks.  so i dont see how that's hard
[03:05] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ah right
[03:06] <Hobbsee> Riddell: hehe, dont like c#?
[03:06] <imbrandon> Riddell, awwww but there IS c# qt stuff going on 
[03:06] <imbrandon> ;)
[03:06] <Riddell> there's also qt bindings in non-proprietry languages too
[03:07] <imbrandon> c# is ecma ask miguel hehe
[03:07] <nixternal_> oooh...i better not say the class i am in right now then
[03:07] <imbrandon> hahah yea i forgot your in the c# calss atm nixternal_
[03:07] <imbrandon> lol
[03:07] <imbrandon> class*
[03:08] <imbrandon> ok i'll give you c# isnt perfect but its TONS better then the truely propiatary java that so many love
[03:08] <imbrandon> c# is atleaste ecma and java is well sun microsystems
[03:09] <nixternal_> it is pretty cool actually
[03:09] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: write my assignment for me now that you're in core.  kthnksbye!
[03:09] <nixternal_> we are playing with Ruby tonight...that is pretty sweet as well
[03:09] <nixternal_> lol
[03:09] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, die irl kthxbye ;)
[03:09] <Riddell> Hobbsee: stop!
[03:09] <Hobbsee> awww...
[03:09] <Hobbsee> should i go hide in a corner?
[03:10] <jsgotangco> lol
[03:10] <Riddell> -offtopic is policed?
[03:10] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: you just wait.  when i do, i'll make sure that i die all over you :P
[03:10] <imbrandon> heh a bit ( when Hobbsee is there )
[03:10] <Hobbsee> Riddell: well...yes.
[03:10] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i dont do it, most of the time
[03:10] <imbrandon> and / or DBO
[03:10] <Hobbsee> and ompaul, thoreaputic, etc
[03:11] <Hobbsee> madpilot
[03:11] <Hobbsee> not just me!
[03:11] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: you going to the conference, then?
[03:11] <imbrandon> hehe well ....
[03:11] <Hobbsee> yes well.  just i get the blame.
[03:11] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, gonna try my dardest to make it
[03:11] <Hobbsee> nice
[03:11] <imbrandon> darndest?
[03:11] <imbrandon> heh
[03:12] <imbrandon> i put in for sponsorship, i have no idea when they review those
[03:12] <imbrandon> probably not for a cupple of weeks
[03:12] <imbrandon> we need more KDEish people there , heh
[03:13] <imbrandon> well KDEish developer people
[03:13] <Hobbsee> heh, go for it
[03:13] <imbrandon> skip class for a week
[03:13] <Hobbsee> i'm sure you dont want me there
[03:14] <imbrandon> as long as you dont /kick me irl it will be all good ;)
[03:14] <Riddell> Hobbsee: we do
[03:14] <imbrandon> serouisly , why not? a week shouldent be terrible to catch up on the uni
[03:14] <imbrandon> on at*
[03:15] <Hobbsee> it's a few days before exams are due to start, and you know how silly i am :P
[03:15] <imbrandon> you can study at night in the hotel room ;)
[03:15] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: what's this concept of "study" that you speak of?
[03:15] <imbrandon> hahaha
[03:16] <imbrandon> see, wouldent be much diffrent ;)
[03:16] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:16] <Hobbsee> just that i'd be silly and crazy in real life, instead of over irc :P
[03:17] <imbrandon> as long as work was getting done i'm sure your not the /only/ crazy type dev ;)
[03:17] <Hobbsee> s/crazy/weird or something/
[03:17] <Hobbsee> :P
[03:19] <Hobbsee> i think you can be assured that i *wouldnt* do something like that.
[03:19] <imbrandon> hahah i would hope not
[03:20] <Hobbsee> oh yeah, i had a bug i was going to point you at.
[03:20] <Hobbsee> wonder what it was
[03:21] <imbrandon> heh
[03:22] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: https://launchpad.net/bugs/59189 i think
[03:22] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 59189 in amarok "Please compile with Creative Nomad support through libnjb" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  
[03:22] <imbrandon> yea i was just looking at that
[03:23] <Hobbsee> also https://launchpad.net/bugs/58175 should be looked at - not sure if it's in our packages or not
[03:23] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 58175 in kdebase "Kate hangs on spellcheck" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  
[03:23] <Hobbsee> at least my touchpad isnt on crack today
[03:23] <imbrandon> but libnjp and libmtp are in universe atm ( for microsoft and nomad amarok support )
[03:23] <imbrandon> njb*
[03:23] <Hobbsee> yes, that's the problem
[03:24] <crimsun> well, you're core-dev now. Make the MIRs happen.
[03:24] <imbrandon> i guess i could do some main inclusion reports if they dont rely on anything else
[03:24] <imbrandon> hehe yea crimsun i was just thinking the same thing heh
[03:24] <Hobbsee> yes, yay!  i dont have to think about going for core now - i can get imbrandon to upload all of my stuff.  and Riddell :P
[03:25] <imbrandon> lol, no you still do /someday/ ;)
[03:25] <Hobbsee> oh darned keybuk.
[03:26] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: fix https://launchpad.net/bugs/59456 please
[03:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 59456 in libksba "Please sync libksba (main) from unstable (main)" [Untriaged,Rejected]  
[03:26] <Hobbsee> it's straight from unstable, for crying out loud.  it would have been autosynced, normally, anyway.
[03:27] <imbrandon> did you test build it ?
[03:27] <imbrandon> whats ksba anyhow
[03:28] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yes of course i did.
[03:28] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: it's just that it's in main, and i didnt realise 
[03:28] <Hobbsee> i dont know, i need it for something else.
[03:29] <Hobbsee> look in ~/TODO/libkbsa to find out what i needed it for.
[03:32] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, done
[03:32] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: thanks
[03:33] <Hobbsee> ah, main's still frozen
[03:34] <Hobbsee> https://launchpad.net/bugs/52670 needs fixing too
[03:34] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 52670 in mozilla-thunderbird "Thunderbird uses konqueror as web browser" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  
[03:34] <imbrandon> Riddell, not that i mind but alot of people are recomending my repo for amarok over the kubuntu.org one becosue they miss that they need the -backports enabled , could you make that bold or something on the amarok 1.4.3 page ?
[03:36] <Riddell> imbrandon: doe
[03:36] <Riddell> done
[03:37] <imbrandon> Riddell, cool thanks 
[03:37] <imbrandon> hehe
[03:37] <imbrandon> i just keep seeing my name hilighted in #kubuntu and noticed it the last 2 days and forgot to ask
[03:38] <imbrandon> thats one good thing about having your irc nick in the url i guess ;)
[03:40] <Hobbsee> argh dammit.  i know why i'm in a crap mood - i forgot to eat anything again. bad Hobbsee!
[03:41] <Hobbsee> :)
[03:42] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: hey, have you gotten around to reviewing that iconset? I uploaded one with the fixed you told me in irc... didn't see any comments on REVU though :S
[03:42] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: sorry, no i didnt.
[03:42] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: kk, whenever you get a chance, before September 28th... please :)
[03:43] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: remind me next week?
[03:43] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: kk
[03:44] <Hobbsee> well, midsemester break, so i can catch up on all the uni work that i've missed.
[03:44] <Riddell> danimo: want to come to the ubuntu conference?
[03:44] <Hobbsee> then i can look at the conference, i guess
[03:48] <imbrandon> jdong, see my command on 60109
[03:48] <imbrandon> bug 60109
[03:48] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 60109 in dapper-backports "blender update 2.42a" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60109
[03:48] <imbrandon> errm jdong isnt here ......
[03:48] <imbrandon> nvm
[03:51] <Riddell> nixternal_: we should also have oem-config and accessibility profiles in knot 3 review
[03:51] <nixternal_> roger that!
[03:51] <Riddell> although I havn't actually tested them yet :)
[03:51] <nixternal_> ya..the accessibility...that is pretty cool
[03:51] <nixternal_> i played with accessibility really quick
[03:51] <nixternal_> it didn't crash
[03:52] <Hobbsee> bah.  no fun.  it's way more fun if it crashes
[03:52] <nixternal_> hehe
[03:52] <imbrandon> hrm Riddell wasent there an easy way to check that something has main only deps from the cli ?
[03:52] <imbrandon> or crimsun ^^ ( i think you told me once before )
[03:53] <Riddell> don't think so
[03:53] <imbrandon> hum okies , i'll do it that hard way ;)
[03:55] <Riddell> nixternal_: does that mean we'll actually get to upload the docs soon?
[03:55] <nixternal_> i am guessing so Riddell 
[03:55] <nixternal_> i have been a comitting fool this week
[03:57] <Hobbsee> night Riddell 
[03:58] <imbrandon> ahhhh Riddell i think i found out why ipodslave is still in the queue
[03:58] <Riddell> imbrandon: why?
[03:58] <imbrandon> we dident do #3 ( will have to wait till after knot 3 ) on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuMainInclusionQueue
[03:59] <Riddell> shouldn't matter
[03:59] <imbrandon> i was just re-reading it as i was doing libnjb
[04:00] <nixternal_> imbrandon: one of these days, when it slows down for more than 5 minutes, you are going to run me through a quick class to get me up to speed on the "dev" stuff around here...now that I am finally knocking the rust off
[04:00] <nixternal_> ;)
[04:00] <imbrandon> nixternal hehe ok
[04:00] <imbrandon> Riddell, ok so it will still get approved/rejected without adding it ( say when i do libnjb i dont have to add it to amarok right away ? )
[04:02] <Riddell> imbrandon: correct
[04:03] <imbrandon> ok cool, i was just interpreting that wrong then
[04:11] <imbrandon> Riddell, oh wow , hey 
[04:12] <imbrandon> Riddell, libnjb is already approved , i just went to do it and someone else has already and pitti approved it ( but its still in universe )
[04:12] <imbrandon> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportLibnjb
[04:12] <imbrandon> does that mean i just need to build and upload it ? ( after knot of course )
[04:12] <imbrandon> s/knot/knot3 
[04:13] <nixternal_> snot3
[04:19] <imbrandon> ( two months ago at that, looks like someone was planning to do it and droped the ball )
[04:19] <imbrandon> building in pbuilder with it now to test
[04:19] <Hobbsee> yeah, it was talked about a while ago
[04:20] <imbrandon> cool well that takes care of half of it, the libmtp is only on debian mentors ( but its botched up , so i might fix/repackage it and upload to universe then get a MIR )
[04:20] <imbrandon> thats the only two libs that ppl seem to scream about and takes care of 99.9999% of mp3 devices
[04:21] <imbrandon> ipod , microsoft ( any playfor sure device ) , and creative ( nomads )
[04:21] <nixternal_> i have tested 5 different mp3 players with Kubuntu Edgy recently..and all of them have worked with no problems
[04:22] <nixternal_> one is nothing more than a freakin' usb mem stick
[04:22] <imbrandon> s/playfor\ sure\ device/playforsure\ devices/g
[04:22] <nixternal_> hehe
[04:22] <nixternal_> right
[04:22] <imbrandon> yea 90% or more work with the way ipods work
[04:22] <imbrandon> or as a normal mass storage usb device
[04:23] <imbrandon> the other 20% are 15% creative and 5% MS
[04:23] <nixternal_> ya, which is weird..as i have this crap one that says it is "open" but when you plug it in, to linux or windows, it is recognized as an ipod
[04:23] <nixternal_> hehe
[04:23] <imbrandon> but that 20% screams loud ;)
[04:23] <nixternal_> the creative one had an issue in dapper, but works in edgy
[04:24] <nixternal_> why someone would have ms ones are beyond me ;)
[04:24] <robotgeek> i have a sansa , that works fine. shows up as an usb disk
[04:24] <imbrandon> yea but not OOTB ( libnjb is was in universe ) 
[04:24] <robotgeek> its also a plays for sure thing
[04:24] <imbrandon> yea that falls under [21:22]  <imbrandon> or as a normal mass storage usb device
[04:24] <imbrandon> but the "true" MS ones use MTP
[04:25] <imbrandon> an embraced and extended PTP by MS
[04:25] <imbrandon> heh
[04:57] <robotgeek> hmm, konqueror on edgy live cd shows weird colors. 
[04:58] <imbrandon> purple ?
[05:00] <imbrandon> robotgeek, if you mean purple and blue then its the incomplete theme ( it got removed a day or so ago )
[05:03] <robotgeek> imbrandon: ah okay, purple mostly with i think one image being blue
[05:03] <robotgeek> i'm using knot2
[05:03] <imbrandon> robotgeek, yup thats it
[05:03] <imbrandon> yea if you update it will change
[05:03] <imbrandon> back to normal
[05:04] <imbrandon> but its just an incomplete theme is all
[05:04] <robotgeek> nah, i'm on a live cd :)
[05:04] <imbrandon> no real biggie
[05:04] <imbrandon> if you goto the help browser its the exact opsite
[05:04] <imbrandon> heh
[06:17] <DaSkreech> NIght all
[06:18] <Hobbsee> night DaSkreech 
[06:18] <DaSkreech> HI Hobbsee. How's it Hanging?
[06:19] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: okay, dad's looking at leaving his work though - ouch.
[06:19] <DaSkreech> Whats he do?
[06:19] <Hobbsee> propriatery software - learning management systems
[06:20] <DaSkreech> Ah whats the stated reason for leaving?
[06:20] <Hobbsee> he hasnt said, but i dont think the business is OK
[06:21] <DaSkreech> OH that's rough. So it's not fully voluntary?
[06:22] <Hobbsee> oh hang on, they have said
[06:22] <Hobbsee> business is pretty rough in AU for the past while, and they think he's not selling enough
[06:22] <Hobbsee> probably doesnt help that their base price is heaps higher than everyone else's, you know :P
[06:23] <DaSkreech> Without extra value?
[06:23] <Hobbsee> there might be bits
[06:23] <Hobbsee> i dont know, i tend to keep out of it
[06:24] <DaSkreech> Yeah. As tends to happen
[06:24] <DaSkreech>  My Mom is being asked to leave her job
[06:24] <Hobbsee> he's good at his work - i know that much.  i've seen what he's done in other, similar roles before.  in fact, i think i might have inherited some of it :P
[06:25] <DaSkreech> Then he must Rock!
[06:26] <Hobbsee> he's my dad.  he taught me a whole lot of computing stuff.  of course he rocks!
[06:27] <Hobbsee> :P
[06:28] <DaSkreech> Ha ha :)
[06:29] <ajmitch> heh
[06:48] <nixternal> ok..i know Riddell posted a link earlier for differences with the gamma utlitily and i can't find it
[06:48] <nixternal> this is nuts
[06:49] <nixternal> found it ;)
[07:16] <kwwii_> moin
[07:17] <imbrandon> moins kwwii
[07:18] <imbrandon> ( no i never sleep hehe )
[07:20] <imbrandon> hehe distro meeting today ?
[07:27] <kwwii> yepp, in an hour or so
[07:28] <imbrandon> ahh cool
[07:28] <kwwii> and since I missed the last one at this time, I thought I would get up early
[07:28] <imbrandon> i dunno if i'm supose to goto those yet or not hehe
[07:28] <imbrandon> guess i could go sit in on it atleaste ;)
[07:28] <imbrandon> arent they only for canonical employees / contractors or for all of core-dev or wht ?
[07:29] <imbrandon> s/wht/what
[07:29] <imbrandon> crimsun, ping ( you awake yet ? )
[07:33] <crimsun> I'm awake, but I'm in a meeting current/ly
[07:34] <kwwii> what I do not get is why that messed up planning says "ETC/UTC" when etc andutc are one hour apart
[07:41] <seth|away> good night
[07:42] <seth|away> hi Hobbsee, g'night Hobbsee
[07:43] <Hobbsee> hey seth|away 
[07:43] <imbrandon> hola Hobbsee
[07:43] <Hobbsee> hey imbrandon 
[07:44] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, got 5 minutes ?
[07:45] <imbrandon> hehe
[07:45] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: 5, yes, 
[07:46] <Hobbsee> what's up?
[07:46] <imbrandon> give this a quick eyeball please http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3109
[07:46] <Hobbsee> what is it
[07:46] <imbrandon> libmtp, i packed it up ( but its only the first lib package i've done )
[07:47] <Hobbsee> oh eww, i wouldnt know
[07:47] <imbrandon> heh ok
[07:47] <imbrandon> np
[07:47] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i'm not elite like you :P
[07:47] <imbrandon> i'm pretty sure its right , and revu-tools have been run on it, but i just wanted a second or 3rd eyeball on it since its a lib
[07:47] <imbrandon> lol shush
[07:48] <Hobbsee> nice, revu tools
[07:48] <imbrandon> Riddell will be awake soonish ( for the distro team meeting ) so i'll try to rope him ;)
[07:49] <Hobbsee> yeah, an hour away
[07:49] <imbrandon> hehe yea they can aparently only be run server side ( ajmitch ran them for me )
[07:49] <Hobbsee> i wonder why they dont get run by default
[07:49] <imbrandon> dunno, but i want a "run tools" button ;)
[07:49] <DaSkreech> Welcome back Hobbsee
[07:49] <Hobbsee> hey DaSkreech 
[07:50] <imbrandon> it gives alot of nice output
[07:50] <imbrandon> heh
[07:50] <imbrandon> maybe REVU2 they will run default
[07:51] <crimsun> there's a _lot_ of autocrack in the diff.
[07:51] <crimsun> please kill that.
[07:51] <crimsun> filterdiff(1)
[07:54] <imbrandon> crimsun, is there a normal-ish patern to use with filterdiff ?
[07:54] <crimsun> either -i or -x
[07:54] <crimsun> in this case it's probably more efficient to use -x pattern
[07:55] <imbrandon> ok sorry for being ignorant but i havent seen or used this before, so i do it manualy or in the rules
[07:55] <imbrandon> probably in the rules i'm guessing
[07:55] <crimsun> manually
[07:56] <imbrandon> ahh ok
[07:56] <imbrandon> man filterdiff
[07:56] <imbrandon> gah
[08:06] <imbrandon> ok crimsun i have to be dense , why isnt filterdiff -x 'config.{guess,sub}' libmtp_0.0.18-0ubuntu1.diff > tmp
[08:06] <imbrandon> working , well it works but ummm tmmp isnt filtered
[08:10] <crimsun> imbrandon: use wildcards in the pattern
[08:10] <crimsun> '*/config.*'
[08:11] <imbrandon> oh wow ok
[08:13] <ajmitch> ok, home from work
[08:13] <ajmitch> good to see you found other eyeballs
[08:13] <imbrandon> hehe yea
[08:13] <imbrandon> fixing up the autocruft in the tmp
[08:13] <imbrandon> err diff
[08:13] <imbrandon> will reupload in a sec
[08:13] <DaSkreech> Meeting?
[08:15] <imbrandon> crimsun, ahh after doing that i have to manualy put a new checksum in too ?
[08:16] <imbrandon> ugn then my sig woudlnt be good
[08:16] <imbrandon> hrm ok there has to be a better way 
[08:16] <ajmitch> or you could fix it so that it doesn't trample config.sub, etc
[08:17] <imbrandon> that would probably be the better solution then all these manual edits
[08:17] <ajmitch> it's probably touching/copying them in the clean: target at the moment
[08:17] <DaSkreech> There is a meeting today?
[08:17] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: yes, 45 min away
[08:17] <imbrandon> distro team in 45 min
[08:18] <DaSkreech> Ok I'll see if i can hang around
[08:18] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee imbrandon!
[08:18] <Hobbsee> boo
[08:18] <Jucato> hm... must have seen Hobbsee's shadow or clone then
[08:20] <imbrandon> heya Jucato
[08:21] <DaSkreech> Hi Jucato
[08:21] <crimsun> imbrandon: no, don't manually regen the checksum, that way madness lies
[08:21] <Jucato> hi DaSkreech!
[08:21] <DaSkreech> Jucato of the Beautiful Women!!
[08:21] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: ok, so we won't say hello
[08:21] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: heh.
[08:21] <Jucato> lol
[08:22] <ajmitch> hey!
[08:22] <Hobbsee> hehee
[08:22] <ajmitch> a good thing I'm in NZ :P
[08:22] <Hobbsee> by accident
[08:22] <Hobbsee> i have very long arms
[08:22] <ajmitch> not long enough
[08:22] <DaSkreech> ajmitch: ssh does wonders now :)
[08:22] <Hobbsee> haha
[08:22] <Jucato> heh... NZ isn't that far from AU :)
[08:23] <kwwii> direct sunlight floods my office window...now I remember another reason I don't like mornings
[08:24] <Jucato> kwwii: and the other reason would be? (that you're a vampire?)
[08:24] <Hobbsee> kwwii: hehe - mornings are an unnecessary evil.
[08:24] <kwwii> Jucato: no, that I stay up late cause I work too hard :p
[08:24] <Jucato> heh
[08:25] <kwwii> Hobbsee: no doubt
[08:25] <seaLne> http://behindubuntu.org/interviews/DanielHolbach/
[08:25] <ajmitch> hobbsee left us!
[08:25] <imbrandon> ahhh dh got interviewed ;)
[08:25] <Jucato> noooh
[08:26] <Jucato> and this wasn't put in the Fridge?
[08:28] <seaLne> it will be in a few weeks
[08:28] <seaLne> but to be nice to them i only just published it
[08:28] <Jucato> :)
[08:29] <DaSkreech> http://www.captorials.com/index.php?cmd=showRecording&rec=20
[08:30] <seaLne> at some point probably, currently there are plenty interviews with him and there is also not a shortage of other people working hard
[08:30] <Jucato> yeah. he's probably too known already anyway :)
[08:31] <DaSkreech> He gets loads of mentions
[08:31] <seaLne> whats it like?
[08:31] <DaSkreech> WEll don't they ship em for free?
[08:31] <Jucato> ?
[08:32] <DaSkreech> To anywhere?
[08:32] <danimo> Riddell, kwwii: why do we use small icons btw?
[08:32] <Jucato> I think BitTorrent ships it for free. only an internet connection is requried... :P
[08:32] <danimo> they are quite hard to hit
[08:33] <seaLne> try clicking on them with your mouse instead
[08:33] <DaSkreech> Hmm It shipped here
[08:33] <Jucato> heh
[08:33] <Jucato> DaSkreech: link? :)
[08:34] <DaSkreech> http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Official_Ubuntu_Book
[08:34] <DaSkreech> :-)
[08:35] <kwwii> danimo: small icons where? if it were up to me we would remove all 16x16 icons :p
[08:35] <Jucato> :)
[08:35] <kwwii> so did anyone get the .ogg file to play yesterday?
[08:36] <Jucato> kwwii: haven't gotten around to testing that... (downloading the 20060913.1 build...)
[08:36] <Jucato> on the live cd?
[08:36] <seaLne> or just example content
[08:36] <seaLne> ?
[08:37] <Jucato> i mean, the .ogg file in example-content on the Live CD? :D
[08:37] <kwwii> hehe, nope I meant another one
[08:37] <Jucato> oh...
[08:37] <kwwii> http://bootsplash.org/kubundu1309-fjpg75.ogg
[08:37] <Jucato> O_O
[08:38] <seaLne> 403
[08:38] <Jucato> ditto
[08:38] <DaSkreech> 403 bummer
[08:38] <danimo> kwwii: I am referring to the default toolbar icons size at 22x22
[08:38] <kwwii> sorry, fixed the rights
[08:38] <Jucato> isn't that Medium size?
[08:39] <DaSkreech> Kmplayer :)
[08:39] <kwwii> danimo: good question...I guess because Riddell likes lots of space on his dekstop (and has a 1024x768 resolution)
[08:40] <Jucato> :(
[08:40] <kwwii> Jucato: nope, 32x32 i s normal sized
[08:40] <Jucato> ah
[08:40] <seaLne> kwwii: wxvlc wouldn't play and xine and kaffeine play but no video or sound for me
[08:40] <kwwii> 22x22 is small and 16x16 is just a fscking joke
[08:41] <Jucato> lol
[08:41] <kwwii> seaLne: something like that was what I was afraid of
[08:41] <kwwii> btw. it has no sound, so at least that is not messed up :-)
[08:41] <seaLne> ok i can successfully report i get no sound :)
[08:41] <crimsun> err, sound?
[08:42] <Jucato> mine played once in Konqueror, I think I heard a sound...
[08:42] <crimsun> oh, ok. False alarm/highlight.
[08:42] <Jucato> playing it in Kaffeine..
[08:43] <DaSkreech> It's a 1 meg file?
[08:43] <Jucato> ah ok.. no sound either :)
[08:43] <imbrandon> kwwii, looks sweet
[08:44] <Jucato> very sweet...
[08:45] <DaSkreech> Ahhh very nice :)
[08:45] <DaSkreech> ok that just made some one jump to Kubuntu :)
[08:45] <DaSkreech> Good Job kwwii
[08:46] <Jucato> kwwii: where will it be put? USplash or KSplash?
[08:46] <kwwii> now the question is how to get something like that in the usplash
[08:46] <Jucato> hm...
[08:46] <Jucato> and how would it look like for a boot that lasts around 27 seconds...
[08:46] <Jucato> or more..
[08:47] <kwwii> it has to be slow and subtle enough not to annoy
[08:47] <danimo> kwwii: I tried suse factory a while back, and their icons appear HUGE
[08:48] <kwwii> but slow=lots of frames=lots of pics=lots of disk space
[08:48] <Jucato> yeah...
[08:48] <danimo> kwwii: which looks crowded because they don't reduce the amount of default actions
[08:48] <kwwii> danimo: that proves that ximian gets what they want
[08:48] <danimo> kwwii: but if we go up one scale with our reduced icon set, that's fine
[08:48] <kwwii> danimo: yeah, the best part (for me) about kubuntu is that so much of the crap is removed
[08:48] <danimo> kwwii: stop with ximian already
[08:48] <kwwii> hehe
[08:49] <kwwii> I like ximian
[08:49] <Jucato> :P
[08:49] <danimo> kwwii: first thing you need to do after a suse install: get rid of beagle. its monitor still slows down the system. un-be-liv-able
[08:49] <kwwii> I thought, just this morning, about calling nat on his cell to ask him something
[08:50] <kwwii> danimo: and kill mono in yast from what I have heard (no idea what that is about)
[08:50] <danimo> kwwii: no mono there so far
[08:51] <danimo> kwwii: but the new resolver lib for yast and zenworks (formally red carpet) is a pain in the ass. it takes 3 mins just to get the install package module up
[08:51] <danimo> kwwii: to their defense, they are working on that lib atm
[08:51] <danimo> kwwii: and fortunally, zenworks and yast are two different tools
[08:51] <kwwii> danimo: since I left suse I have not booted it once :-)
[08:52] <danimo> kwwii: so no mono in yast as far as I can tell
[08:52] <kwwii> well, red carpet is probably in mono, or?
[08:52] <danimo> kwwii: had to try it after I got fed up with edgy last week. see how fast I came back :)
[08:52] <danimo> kwwii: yes
[08:52] <danimo> kwwii: and that after being a really happy suse user for years
[08:53] <danimo> anyway, shower, brb
[08:53] <kwwii> some of my ex-colleagues were talking about something along that lines at a party we had
[08:54] <kwwii> now that was a party...suse and ex-suse together..what fun
[09:06] <DaSkreech> Argh
[09:06] <Jucato> ?
[09:06] <DaSkreech> Keep forgetting my Launchpad password
[09:06] <Jucato> heh
[09:08] <nixternal> i can't get the damn accessibility to fire for me
[09:08] <nixternal> i have tried everything
[09:12] <DaSkreech> Hi allee
[09:12] <DaSkreech> kwwii: That reminds me of ##former-mspenguins
[09:13] <allee> DaSkreech: hi
[09:13] <kwwii> lol
[09:13] <DaSkreech> I have no idea what they do in there :-)
[09:13] <kwwii> we have a mailin list and everything
[09:13] <kwwii> parties once a year, etc.
[09:13] <kwwii> and this year we decided to invite the remaining suse people
[09:20] <Jucato> are we going to have Kubuntu stickers this time? :(
[09:21] <kwwii> no idea
[09:21] <DaSkreech> Ok I'm not sure if I can stay up Can someone ask if we are going to get a notification of screenkast on Fridge or as a note for Fridge 3?
[09:27] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyEft/Knot3/Kubuntu  this is as far as I can get tonight..i need sleep...i couldn't get accessibility stuff to work for me, oem-config didn't work for me..other than that...good stuff... abattoir is in the process of getting the latest iso to check the oem-config, since he knows more about it than i do
[09:27] <nixternal> g'nite all
[09:27] <kwwii> night nixternal
[09:28] <abattoir> 'night nixternal
[09:28] <Jucato> night nixternal! :)
[09:29] <DaSkreech> Night nixternal
[09:30] <abattoir> nixternal: nice work too :)
[09:30] <abattoir> kwwii: is metabar going to be themed for edgy too?
[09:31] <kwwii> yes
[09:31] <DaSkreech> metabar?
[09:31] <kwwii> I have a preliminary version
[09:31] <abattoir> kwwii: ok, thanks :)
[09:31] <kwwii> should be done very soon
[09:31] <abattoir> DaSkreech: its a 'side-bar' for konqueror
[09:31] <DaSkreech> Ah of course
[09:31] <Jucato> actually, just one of the side bars... :)
[09:31] <DaSkreech>  I haven't opened that in a while since I found out that mplayer has a command line option :)
[09:32] <kwwii> I personally do not use the side bar at all
[09:32] <DaSkreech> I only used it for the Media player :)
[09:32] <Jucato> lol
[09:32] <abattoir> Jucato: try kmetabar its a bit more useful and attractive :P
[09:32] <DaSkreech> Which  was kinda useful till I found kaffine :-)
[09:32] <DaSkreech> What does the metabar do?
[09:33] <DaSkreech> Ah I need to select a file
[09:33] <Jucato> abattoir: I have tried it, but not really satisfied...
[09:33] <Jucato> specially since it doesn't do anything really when viewing web pages...
[09:34] <DaSkreech> It should work like Mozilla's what's related?
[10:29] <danimo> Riddell: ping?
[10:32] <imbrandon> danimo, he had a late night and early morning , he *possibly* went back to take a nap after the meeting ( i dont know just guessing )
[10:32] <Riddell> danimo: hi
[10:32] <Jucato> hm.. he was just talked in #kubuntu, though :P
[10:32] <danimo> imbrandon: haha :)
[10:33] <imbrandon> ahh, i was only guessing ;)
[10:33] <danimo> Riddell: do we still need the kdecopy packages?
[10:33] <danimo> Riddell: (qt4)
[10:33] <Riddell> danimo: for kde 4 you do
[10:33] <danimo> Riddell: why aren't the qt4 packages at rc1?
[10:33] <danimo> Riddell: I think it's safe to upgrade them at this point
[10:33] <Riddell> danimo: because we don't package unstable libraries
[10:33] <Riddell> hmm, I'm wary
[10:36] <Riddell> an unstable library won't pass UVF exception
[10:37] <danimo> Riddell: well, then we need a meta package
[10:38] <danimo> Riddell: otherwise it is impossible to install applications compiled with libqt4 
[10:38] <danimo> Riddell: which should pose no problems with qt4-kdecopy, since it still is at least backward compatible
[10:38] <imbrandon> yea like katapult heh
[10:38] <imbrandon> i think it was katapult i tried to reinstall
[10:39] <imbrandon> maybe something else but yea
[10:39] <Riddell> katapult is kde 3
[10:39] <imbrandon> maybe hwdb i know it was something the last days
[10:39] <imbrandon> i tried heh
[10:39] <Riddell> adding Provides: to -kdecopy would probably do it
[10:40] <imbrandon> hwdb-client-kde ( i think it was acctualy the more i think about it )
[10:40] <Riddell> yes, that will happen
[10:40] <Riddell> of course most kde developers can live without hwdb and speedcrunch
[10:40] <imbrandon> hehehe
[10:41] <Jucato> speedcrunch...
[10:41] <kwwii> so...once everyone sees Knot3, they should go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Kubuntu-Edgy-Ideas-Feedback and state their opinion
[10:41] <Riddell> nixternal: ^^
[10:41] <Jucato> is the 20061913.1 build going to be used for Knot 3?
[10:42] <Riddell> s/ubuntu.com/kubuntu.org/
[10:42] <Riddell> Jucato: we don't know what will be used for a Knot until we release
[10:42] <Jucato> ah ok
[10:42] <Riddell> Jucato: but all testing and feedback is encouraged
[10:43] <Riddell> kwwii: the ksplash didn't get updated, you might want to note that on the feedback page
[10:44] <Jucato> ok. I'll just be noting in the feedback page that I'm using the daily build Live CD. thanks
[10:44] <kwwii> Riddell: I am one step ahead of you :-)
[10:44] <MrFaber> hi all
[10:44] <Jucato> heh
[10:45] <MrFaber> Does anyone know the reason why dynamic scaling doesn't react on kernel load? It only reacts on app load. Both ondemand and powernowd seems to don't recognize kernel load. If you use loop encryption or emulators with modules the cpu runs always with the lowest frequency until some apps instead of modules uses much.
[10:46] <Jucato> on an unrelated note, bug 13497 is still there, although Lock Screen doesn't happen automatically anymore
[10:46] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 13497 in kdebase "Locked password on live CD interferes with screen lock" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/13497
[11:26] <danimo> _Sime_: ping?
[11:27] <Riddell> Jucato: feedback here is useful for candidates
[11:50] <Tonio_> hello
[11:51] <imbrandon> heya Tonio_
[11:52] <Tonio_> imbrandon: still frozen because of knot3... ?
[11:54] <imbrandon> yup ;(
[11:54] <imbrandon> i think it will be released today though 
[11:54] <imbrandon> sometime
[11:55] <Tonio_> imbrandon: I hope so
[11:56] <imbrandon> Riddell, oh wow i changed that and it STILL lists them as missin ( but not the usr/bin ones now )
[11:56] <imbrandon> hrm .....
[11:57] <imbrandon> i guess it needs to be in the -dev.install too
[12:03] <Ingmar^> hmm, I'm trying to apt-get dist-upgrade to edgy, but unmet dependencies are keeping me stuck halfway
[12:03] <Ingmar^> anyone feel like helping ? :-)
[12:41] <_Sime_> danimo: pong
[12:41] <Riddell> Jucato: did you install the daily CD?
[12:43] <danimo> _Sime_: hi, the powermanager seems to have problems
[12:44] <danimo> _Sime_: it reports battery removal every now and then
[12:46] <_Sime_> danimo: it is better if you mention taht to sebas. He is one behind the powermanager.
[12:46] <danimo> _Sime_: oh, ok, sorry
[12:46] <danimo> sebas: ping?
[12:47] <_Sime_> danimo: no probs
[12:48] <Riddell> danimo: Lure is a good candidate too
[12:48] <Riddell> Lure: going to come to the developers summit?
[12:49] <imbrandon> Riddell, can you poke that one more time ( if your not terribly busy ) i reuploaded and i've hit a brick wall it seems anything i try in -dev.docs != doc/html it ftb  ( all the rest of the issuse i have fixed ) my eyes are going blury looking at this hitting my head on my desk heh
[12:49] <danimo> seems like the media:/ patches now cause some kded module to lock up
[12:49] <Lure> danimo: what is your problem with powermanager? I am working on mult-battery (hope to commit thsi evening) and can do other fixes if needed
[12:50] <danimo> Lure: well, it sometimes reports battery removal at random
[12:50] <imbrandon> Riddell, i tried usr/doc/{libmtp,libmtp-0.0.18,libmtp-dev}/html just FYI
[12:50] <Lure> Riddell: I might, I am actually in US a week before (Florida) and might have some business on west cost next week
[12:50] <imbrandon> they DO end up in the -dev deb, i just dont see HOW now hehe
[12:51] <Lure> Riddell: quite busy though, so I need to get clearence from my company...
[12:51] <imbrandon> ( and they are listed in the missing )
[12:51] <Lure> danimo: are you using edgy version or SVN version?
[12:55] <Lure> danimo: current version also claimed battery as not present in case that some parameter cannot be retreived from HAL - I have changed this in my working version
[12:58] <danimo> LeeJunFan: edgy
[12:58] <danimo> err
[12:58] <danimo> Lure: ^^^
[12:58] <danimo> heya el!
[12:58] <imbrandon> moins el
[01:05] <el> heya danimo and imbrandon 
[01:09] <Riddell> imbrandon: just put it in .install not .docs
[01:14] <Lure> danimo: ok, I will commit new stuff this evening and you may try then with SVN version or wait for Riddell to package it...
[01:17] <danimo> ok
[03:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm working on kde-guidance to split power-manager, since we need to put conflicts packages on it and kpowersave in case people would like to switch
[03:01] <Riddell> bah, kpowersave users
[03:01] <Riddell> but sure, fair enough
[03:02] <kwwii> what does the empty box mean when I mouse-over the powersave icon?
[03:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: on some computers, kpowersave works better than acpi-support or our tools...
[03:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: what is the best process for this, since we'll need main inclusion report ?
[03:02] <kwwii> it is a tool tip with no tip, it seems
[03:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: splitting -> uploading -> write main inclusion report -> changing the feeds ?
[03:02] <kwwii> erm powermanager icon, I mean
[03:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's a bit painfull :)
[03:03] <imbrandon> Tonio_, New binary packages from existing source packages, where the source package is already in main, do not require reports and do not need to be listed here .... quote from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuMainInclusionQueue
[03:03] <Riddell> kwwii: it means you have a bug
[03:04] <imbrandon> Tonio_, also .... If a new source package contains only code which is already in main (e.g., the result of a source package split), it may not need a full report, but it should be listed here with a short explanation
[03:04] <Tonio_> imbrandon: hehe, cool, then only changing the feeds is needed
[03:04] <Riddell> Tonio_: no main inclusion report needed
[03:04] <beligum> pfffff, I officially hate packaging...
[03:04] <imbrandon> so i dunno what one heh
[03:04] <Jucato> kwwii: that no-tip tooltip has been there for a few days I think. I have that, too
[03:05] <imbrandon> ok i'm off to a nap, see yall in a few hours
[03:05] <Jucato> bye imbrandon! sweet dreams :)
[03:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: also, the new autoremove apt functionnality is a pain for people who remove kubuntu-desktop...
[03:05] <jdong|laptop> imbrandon is going?
[03:05] <jdong|laptop> bye, I guess :)
[03:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: like me, since I remove OOo to instlal koffice...
[03:05] <jdong|laptop> Tonio_: yeah, it's made some scary suggestions to me too
[03:06] <Jucato> autoremove is like aptitude trying to be smarter than you. heh
[03:06] <Tonio_> Jucato: hehe ;)
[03:07] <alleeHol> Tonio_: IMHO everything installed by kubuntu-desktop should not be marked auto.  Problem solved ;)
[03:08] <Tonio_> alleeHol: how to perform this ?
[03:09] <alleeHol> Tonio_: heh, I usually use apt-get instead of aptitude when I want to achieve this ;)
[03:09] <alleeHol> mhm..
[03:09] <Tonio_> alleeHol: that should done since it is very easy to remove kubuntu-desktop
[03:09] <Jucato> alleeHol: but autoremove is in apt-get
[03:10] <Tonio_> Jucato: yup, I was talking about apt-get, not aptitude
[03:10] <alleeHol> really?  Times are changing and noone tells me.  Shit!
[03:10] <Jucato> heh
[03:11] <jdong|laptop> shouldn't autoremove really be in aptitude's ballpark?
[03:11] <Tonio_> or maybe the autoremove should be an option, not a default
[03:11] <Jucato> maybe the *-desktop meta-packages shouldn't have their packages marked as auto. but that would be frustrating for those trying to install and would later them... unless they use aptitude
[03:11] <Tonio_> Jucato: in a certain way, that's usefull
[03:12] <Tonio_> Jucato: ubuntu user wants to test kubuntu and remove it afterwards
[03:12] <Tonio_> Jucato: he can do it safelly
[03:12] <Jucato> yes. in that case, autoremove is a good thing
[03:12] <Tonio_> Jucato: that's usefull feature, but shouldn't be a default in my view
[03:12] <jdong|laptop> maybe autoremove should keep its mouth shut except when invoked
[03:12] <Tonio_> jdong|laptop: yes I agree
[03:12] <Jucato> yep
[03:13] <jdong|laptop> looks like we're getting some ACPI loving
[03:14] <Jucato> does anyone know if there are projects/apps that have a single GUI to configure all/most types of internet connections? something like KNet or PCLOS' drakconf
[03:14] <alleeHol> Tonio_: care to try: aptitude nomarkauto '~t^kubuntu-desktop$'   # My edgy system @office is off  
[03:15] <allee> Tonio_: but by default this should be done by the installer
[03:16] <Tonio_> allee: yes, but I have to do this with apt :)
[03:16] <Tonio_> nomarkauto isn't an option for this
[03:16] <allee> oh
[03:16] <raphink> hi
[03:16] <Tonio_> allee: this isn't aptitude stuff, but apt-get stuff now
[03:17] <Tonio_> cool feature, but should stay optionnal in my view
[03:17] <raphink> am I understanding that the trashy aptitude autoremove "I do'nt control my system anymore" thing has been ported to apt ?
[03:17] <Jucato> heh
[03:18] <allee> Tonio_: I think markauto is a nice feature.  Just everything installed by default should not be marked auto.
[03:19] <Tonio_> allee: true
[03:19] <allee> raphink: I disagree ;) ^^
[03:19] <raphink> allee: well I think it can be useful
[03:19] <raphink> when it comes to removing the whole Kubuntu thing and put XUbuntu instead
[03:19] <Tonio_> allee: the problem is that installer should be patched to unmark kubuntu-desktop
[03:19] <raphink> or the contrary
[03:19] <raphink> that's very useful
[03:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: any opinion
[03:19] <Tonio_> ?
[03:19] <raphink> but _not by default_
[03:20] <Tonio_> raphink: that's another option indeed
[03:20] <raphink> to me it's find to mark everything auto because it can be useful to remove the whole ubuntu/kubuntu/xubuntu desktop
[03:20] <raphink>  to make a server or install another flavor
[03:20] <Tonio_> raphink: the first thing is how to disable this
[03:20] <raphink> but it's not fine to make it the default action
[03:20] <Riddell> Tonio_: on what?
[03:20] <raphink> as long as people are told "if you want, you can use autoremove, but that's optional", I'm happy with it
[03:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: autoremove in apt, activated by default
[03:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's very dangerous for people removing kubuntu-desktop
[03:21] <allee> raphink: aptitude can remove all dependencies of kubuntu-desktop.  Using automark for this is not the right way imho
[03:21] <raphink> allee: aptitude is borked 
[03:21] <raphink> :)
[03:21] <raphink> I don't recommend using a package manager that installs things you don't need and remove things without asking you
[03:22] <jdong|laptop> raphink: apt tells me "if you want you can use autoremove" by printing out a 4 page list of packages every time I try to do anything with apt :)
[03:22] <Riddell> Jucato: what's wrong with knet?  (apart from the UI)
[03:22] <raphink> jdong|laptop: I see
[03:22] <raphink> at least you hve the choice jdong|laptop
[03:22] <Riddell> Tonio_: not really my area
[03:22] <beligum> Hi all, I uploaded the revised libinstrudeo library to revu: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3117
[03:22] <Jucato> Riddell: it's unmaintained? 
[03:22] <raphink> I'm ok with the feature this way, apart from the 4 pages thing
[03:22] <jdong|laptop> raphink: yes, but I prefer not to be bugged by autoremove unless I type in apt-get autoremove
[03:22] <raphink> yes
[03:23] <jdong|laptop> raphink: autoremoving had nothing to do with the operation I requested (install foo)
[03:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: I understand but I'm very concerned since it makes it very easy to break the system
[03:23] <raphink> another option might be to divide kubuntu-desktop into more metapackages
[03:23] <Jucato> raphink: aptitude could be set not to install recommends. but by default, it installs recommends as well as depends
[03:23] <Riddell> beligum: still no .orig/.diff
[03:23] <raphink> and install them one by one on install
[03:23] <raphink> so removing kubuntu-desktop wouldn't list as many packages
[03:23] <raphink> but only sub metas
[03:23] <jdong|laptop> umm
[03:23] <jdong|laptop> kubuntu-desktop-first-part, kubuntu-desktop-second-part :D
[03:23] <beligum> it's a different package-name, I figured I shouldn't do that on new ones
[03:23] <Jucato> lol
[03:23] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:23] <Jucato> jdong|laptop: probably not that way :)
[03:23] <Hobbsee> didnt they already do that - with kdenetwork, kdepim, etc
[03:24] <jdong|laptop> Hobbsee: WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE HOW MUCH ITS PRINTING OUT RIGHT NOW?
[03:24] <raphink> jdong|laptop: kubuntu-office, kubuntu-settings, kubunbu-graphics
[03:24] <raphink> etc.
[03:24] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: try to replace OOo by koffice and you'l change your mind........
[03:24] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee! :)
[03:24] <Hobbsee> jdong|laptop: heh, yeah, why not.
[03:24] <Jucato> kubuntu-network, etc
[03:24] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: i've not tried.  i should
[03:24] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato 
[03:24] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: then each apt action prints 30 lines of packages "suggested" to remove
[03:24] <Riddell> Tonio_: what's the problem with doing that?
[03:24] <Jucato> Hobbsee: yes you should...
[03:24] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: ah, fun.
[03:24] <jdong|laptop> Hobbsee: hint. it's about 5 pages long :)
[03:24] <Jucato> Riddell: if you try to remove OOo, it will remove kubuntu-desktop, and everything else...
[03:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: that removes kubuntu-desktop, and then all its depandancies are suggested to be remove
[03:24] <raphink> jdong|laptop: I'm sure you have a small screen ;)
[03:25] <beligum> btw, Ridell, do I upload  a seperate -dev package, or is there a way to include that ?
[03:25] <jdong|laptop> Hobbsee: I prefer to install links2 in peace, without being bugged about what can be autoremoved
[03:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: but not one, with each apt action, until you remove them or reinstall kubuntu-desktop
[03:25] <Tonio_> Riddell:  that's a pain, really
[03:25] <Hobbsee> jdong|laptop: yeah, fair enough
[03:25] <jdong|laptop> it's bothersome
[03:25] <raphink> is this activated only in ubuntu or in debian aswell?
[03:25] <Riddell> Tonio_: openoffice isn't even a depends of kubuntu-desktop any more
[03:25] <jdong|laptop> more obnoxiously bothersome than apport
[03:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: hu ?
[03:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: well OOo is a bad example, but the problem is the same with any default application
[03:26] <Jucato> well, OOo might jsut be an example.
[03:26] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what brings it in then?
[03:26] <Tonio_> remove krita, speedcrunch or any other
[03:26] <Riddell> Hobbsee: it's a Recommends
[03:26] <Jucato> hasn't krita been removed?
[03:26] <Riddell> Jucato: no
[03:26] <jdong|laptop> Jucato: that's not the point
[03:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: replace gwenview by showview for example
[03:26] <Jucato> ah so it was only with Knot 2 :P
[03:27] <Riddell> Tonio_: then don't you need to run autoremove to have everything removed?
[03:27] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ahh.  that *doesnt* help.
[03:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: here is an example :
[03:27] <Riddell> Hobbsee: why not?
[03:27] <Hobbsee> Riddell: arent recommends installed by default now?
[03:27] <freeflying> Riddell: do we need some screenshots in CJK UI for knot3
[03:27] <Hobbsee> or that just means you can remove them if you dont like them
[03:28] <Jucato> Hobbsee: hm... unless you're using aptitude :P
[03:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23434
[03:28] <Hobbsee> Jucato: ahhh...
[03:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: and if you remove that, the autoremove suggestion stays forever
[03:28] <Tonio_> that's the problem
[03:28] <Riddell> Hobbsee: they will be
[03:28] <beligum> Is there a way to create a .diff from two tarballs without unpacking them?
[03:28] <Riddell> freeflying: sure
[03:28] <Riddell> beligum: try tarballs?
[03:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: no you need to run autoremove, but you are prompted for any apt action
[03:29] <freeflying> Riddell: give it whom?
[03:29] <Riddell> freeflying: nixternal 
[03:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: untill you autoremove them or reinstall the software......
[03:29] <freeflying> Riddell: ok,thanks
[03:29] <Riddell> Tonio_: I see, that could get annoying
[03:30] <Jucato> autoremove is the default action for apt in Edgy, right?
[03:30] <beligum> Riddell: what do you mean?
[03:30] <Riddell> beligum: s/try/two/
[03:30] <Riddell> beligum: why do you have two tarballs?
[03:31] <beligum> Riddell: I want to create the .diff from .orig.tar.gz and .tar.gz
[03:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: here is what happens when I wanna install any software and gwenview has already been removed :
[03:31] <Tonio_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23435
[03:31] <Tonio_> that's ugly....
[03:32] <Tonio_> and evil :)
[03:32] <Riddell> beligum: no, you want to have your upstream tar as the .orig.tar.gz, then add your packaging and run debuild -S -sa to create the .diff
[03:32] <Jucato> it's evil... because I couldn't understand it. heh :)
[03:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's why the best option in my view is an easy way to activate/deactivate this functionnality...
[03:33] <jdong|laptop> Tonio_: maybe we should be yelling at mvo about this....
[03:33] <Riddell> Tonio_: best thing would be just not to prompt you on every action
[03:33] <jdong|laptop> from a UI standpoint prompting on every action is just obnoxious
[03:33] <Jucato> a way to leave the auto markings, yet give the user the option to autoremove or not (through a switch probably)
[03:33] <jdong|laptop> Riddell: exactly!
[03:34] <jdong|laptop> apt-get autoremove should be the only command that shows that info
[03:34] <Hobbsee> the way apt-get clean is handled
[03:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes but if once day someone forgot he removed kubuntu-desktop and launches apt-get autoremove, he will crash his system
[03:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's dangerous too
[03:35] <Riddell> Tonio_: doesn't apt-get autoremove tell you what it's going to do then ask for confirmation?
[03:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: let me test......
[03:35] <Riddell> everything else in apt seems to
[03:35] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yeah.
[03:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: it does yes, so you're right
[03:35] <Jucato> and if you choose not to remove kubuntu-desktop?
[03:36] <allee> Try: apt-config dump.  In dapper there aptitude::Keep-Unused-Pattern "^linux-image.*$ | ^linux-restricted-modules.*$";
[03:36] <allee> one could add ~t^kubuntu-desktop$
[03:36] <allee> or use similar apt options (apt automark looks like new in edgy.  found not trace here in dapper)
[03:38] <allee> When during system installation apt-get -o var=noautomark-or-whatever is set.  99% of automark trouble would be fixed
[03:39] <Tonio_> allee: that's an option...
[03:40] <Tonio_> allee: and that would let it possible for gnome users that want to test kubuntu to remove it
[03:41] <allee> Tonio_: I assume ubuntu and xubuntu has the same problem so it would be not so hard to get such a change in
[03:41] <Tonio_> allee: yes, we need to discuss this on ubuntu-devel probably
[03:42] <Tonio_> will do toonight, but at the moment, I have to work on kde-guidance
[03:42] <allee> I they don't know this automark trouble, we need other preseed files on cdrom ;)
[03:50] <jdong|laptop> hey guys...
[03:50] <jdong|laptop> http://cbs5.com/topstories/local_story_256204954.html
[03:50] <jdong|laptop> do you think it's THE hans reiser?
[03:50] <kwwii> does it show a pic? I know hans
[03:50] <jdong|laptop> no, only the wife :(
[03:51] <jdong|laptop> "Hans Reiser, a software developer"
[03:51] <kwwii> hehe, yes, I think that is about him
[03:52] <jdong|laptop> lol
[03:52] <kwwii> his wife was from russia
[03:52] <jdong|laptop> hmm
[03:52] <jdong|laptop> do they live in Oakland?
[03:59] <Jucato> um... OO.o missing in 20060913.1 Desktop CD build?
[04:00] <Riddell> Jucato: known
[04:00] <Jucato> ah ok :)
[04:00] <Jucato> and the lock session still bugged also known, right?
[04:00] <Riddell> yes
[04:01] <Riddell> it's not something I care about too much
[04:01] <Jucato> heh :P
[04:01] <Jucato> well it's not really that critical, considering the session is not locked automatically.
[04:01] <Jucato> just one of those annoying little bugs...
[04:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: I just noticed launchpad integration uses firefox if installed.....
[04:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: shouldn't that use prefered browser instead ?
[04:26] <Riddell> it does
[04:27] <Riddell> should use kfmexec as I remember
[04:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum......
[04:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can confirm my prefered browser is set to konqueror, but firefox launches
[04:28] <Jucato> Tonio_: on Edgy?
[04:28] <Tonio_> Jucato: yes
[04:28] <Jucato> hmm.. let me try :)
[04:28] <Tonio_> Jucato: thanks
[04:31] <Jucato> ugh! I just realized I don't have it installed on vmware just yet... :(
[04:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: tested here : kfmclient openURL http://www.foo.com
[04:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: that works correctly, but not the launchpad integration, always firefox is use whatever is my prefered browser.....
[04:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: what is the package for this ? I'd like to play with it a bit :)
[04:37] <Tonio_> Jucato: can you confirm my issue ?
[04:37] <Jucato> Tonio_: unfortunately, I would have to install it on VMWare to confirm... I'll try on the Live CD first though
[04:37] <Tonio_> Jucato: okay
[04:44] <Riddell> Tonio_: what do you have for /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser ?
[04:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: I don't have this file
[04:45] <Jucato> Tonio_: sorry I couldn't do this right now. my sister needs to use the PC...
[04:45] <Jucato> :(
[04:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: I mean it's empty
[04:46] <Riddell> curious
[04:46] <Riddell> well you can look through the launchpad intergration source, it's not hard to find
[04:46] <danimo> re
[04:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: shouldn't that use kdeglobals:BrowserApplication instead ?
[04:47] <beligum> Riddell: I think I'm finally getting a grasp on the whole packaging process, can you take a look? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3119
[04:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: to match user choice ?
[04:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: will do, thanks
[04:48] <Riddell> beligum: yay!
[04:48] <danimo> Riddell: so what do we do about the qt packages?
[04:48] <Riddell> Tonio_: it should use kfmexec (which uses kdeglobals:BrowserApplication)
[04:48] <danimo> Riddell: can we create a meta-package as I suggested?
[04:48] <Riddell> danimo: wait a couple weeks for qt 4.2 to be out and upload that?
[04:48] <beligum> Riddell: RTFM they say, but sometimes, it takes a while...
[04:48] <danimo> Riddell: until then, edgy will be frozen
[04:48] <Riddell> danimo: alternatively adding Provides to the kdecopy packages should work
[04:49] <danimo> Riddell: could you do that? that'd be awesome
[04:49] <danimo> currently, it conflicts the hell out of kubuntu
[04:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: ./launchpadintegration/urls.py:        command = ['kfmclient', 'openURL', url] 
[04:49] <Tonio_> should work......... I don't understand
[04:49] <Tonio_> the same command used in konsole works here
[04:49] <Tonio_> but not clicking in konq...... doesn't make sense
[04:49] <danimo> anyone else using an intel i915 gfx chipset?
[04:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's very strange......
[04:51] <Tonio_> danimo: I am
[04:51] <danimo> Tonio_: does google earth work for you?
[04:52] <Riddell> Tonio_: sound like you need some debugging statements to find out what it's really running
[04:52] <Tonio_> danimo: SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWLY :)
[04:52] <Tonio_> danimo: is that your issue ?
[04:52] <danimo> Tonio_: well, it worked a lot faster on suse
[04:52] <danimo> Tonio_: I wonder if they had more recent drivers or something
[04:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm playing with urls.py to find out
[04:52] <danimo> Tonio_: and I also remember it being faster on backported drivers for dapper
[04:52] <Tonio_> danimo: yes I don't understand what's the point
[04:52] <danimo> Tonio_: the point of the slowness?
[04:53] <Tonio_> danimo: yes
[04:53] <danimo> me neither
[04:53] <Tonio_> danimo: it is like running on a pentium 1...
[04:53] <danimo> Tonio_: do you know the guy in charge of packaging the driver?
[04:53] <Tonio_> danimo: nope
[04:53] <Tonio_> danimo: note that I tried using the .bin given by google, same issue
[04:54] <Tonio_> danimo: so I assume that's not packaging issue
[04:54] <danimo> Tonio_: also, XGL works like a charm with the suse driver
[04:54] <danimo> Tonio_: no, I mean a too old driver
[04:54] <Tonio_> danimo: for i915 ?
[04:54] <danimo> Tonio_: on edgy effects like cube are slooowww
[04:54] <danimo> Tonio_: yes
[04:54] <Tonio_> danimo: ah.....
[04:54] <danimo> Tonio_: the xglx repo provides updates drivers
[04:54] <danimo> Tonio_: err, Xgl
[04:54] <danimo> Tonio_: you may know it
[04:55] <Tonio_> danimo: probably X upstream is the man top contact no ?
[04:55] <Tonio_> danimo: the driver is part of xorg I assume, so better asking X maintainer I guess
[04:56] <Tonio_> danimo: apt-cache show xserver-xorg-video-i810
[04:56] <Tonio_> we should look if something is wrong with the version or so
[04:57] <Tonio_> 1:1.6.5
[04:58] <Tonio_> danimo: Package: xserver-xorg-video-i810 (fixed: 2:1.4.1.3-1)
[04:58] <Tonio_> urgh ! looks we have a REALLY outdated version
[04:58] <Tonio_> danimo: synch from debian required I think :)
[04:59] <danimo> Tonio_: who can trigger that?
[04:59] <Tonio_> danimo: in fact debian version is outdated too
[04:59] <danimo> args
[04:59] <Tonio_> danimo: searching google for what exists
[04:59] <danimo> Tonio_: why can't we take the one from the xgl repo?
[05:00] <danimo> that one seems up to date?
[05:00] <danimo> s/?//
[05:00] <Tonio_> danimo: we need to get latest upstream and package it I'm affraid
[05:00] <danimo> Tonio_: as I said: it's been done already
[05:00] <Tonio_> danimo: we can yes, and report a bug with the package attached as the solution
[05:01] <Tonio_> danimo: the point including the package looses sync with debian, so we need to prove it closes issues to have it in
[05:01] <danimo> ok
[05:01] <danimo> yes
[05:01] <Tonio_> danimo: can you make the launchpad bug ? I'll confirm it
[05:01] <Tonio_> danimo: I will prepare the ubuntu package if you want
[05:01] <Tonio_> it needs ubuntu porting ;)
[05:03] <bddebian> Howdy
[05:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: the issue is I have gnome-open
[05:03] <danimo> Tonio_: http://www.beerorkid.com/compiz/
[05:03] <danimo> Tonio_: have a look
[05:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: so it is used in the first place........
[05:03] <Tonio_> danimo: okay I am
[05:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: should we look if the current desktop in use is kde instead of matching the binaries with elsif ?
[05:05] <Riddell> silly gnome-open
[05:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: KDE_FULL_SESSION or any other for example
[05:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: well the problem is just that we look at gnome-open before kfmclient :)
[05:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: we should use the binary depending to the desktop manager in use I assume
[05:05] <Tonio_> no ?
[05:05] <Riddell> yeah, no reliable way to test which desktop is running, but KDE_FULL_SESSION is as good as any
[05:06] <danimo> Tonio_: I will test the quinn packages now
[05:06] <danimo> Tonio_: just to make sure the driver really is faster
[05:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: and concerning gnome ? which one can we use ?
[05:06] <Riddell> Tonio_: if you have some time you could look at packaging the Portland betas
[05:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay will look toonigh
[05:06] <Riddell> Tonio_: if KDE_FULL_SESSION isn't there?
[05:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, makes sense indeed ;)
[05:09] <danimo> Tonio_: correction. these packages are only for dapper
[05:09] <Riddell> beligum: getting there, see comments http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3119
[05:09] <danimo> Tonio_: sucks
[05:10] <Riddell> Tonio_: make sure you look if launchpad-integration is kept in bzr before uploading
[05:10] <Riddell> wow, first comments on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyEft/Knot3/Kubuntu/Feedback and it's not even released :)
[05:10] <Riddell> "Awesome work by Ken and the art team, great job to Brandon with
[05:10] <Riddell> +Konversation, Sebas and Riddell with the Power Management, and to Tonio, Toma, Raphink, Sime, fabo, and how could I forget Hobbsee"
[05:10] <Riddell> this guy really likes us :)
[05:11] <beligum> Riddell: thx
[05:12] <Riddell> beligum: by the way libraries are more fiddly to package than applications, so you're starting off with a hard one :)
[05:12] <beligum> Riddell: no kidding ...
[05:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: and knows uss too :)
[05:16] <beligum> Riddell: if I don't have any package change-comments, should I include an empty-entry or leave it out ?
[05:16] <sebas> Hm, the plan is not to use Oxygen, right?
[05:16] <sebas> I'd hate to have KDE4's freshness spoiled.
[05:17] <danimo> Tonio_: what do we do?
[05:19] <Tonio_> danimo: report the bug, I'll prepare the package for ubuntu and comment that the package resolve the issue
[05:19] <Tonio_> danimo: then we'll make a uvf exception request and ping mdz
[05:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: look like there is no gnome env variable that we can use... shit...
[05:20] <danimo> Tonio_: cool
[05:20] <danimo> Tonio_: what component do I report it against?
[05:21] <Tonio_> danimo: xserver-xorg-video-i810
[05:26] <nixternal> bug 60084, would you consider that a wishlist item?
[05:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 60084 in kdepim "KMail should have a menu item in Kubuntu default install" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60084
[05:27] <abattoir> nixternal: the iso is still being downloaded :(
[05:27] <nixternal> jeesh
[05:27] <Riddell> Tonio_: you can look how the openoffice wrapper do it if you really want to, but lack of KDE_FULL_SESSION is fine
[05:27] <Riddell> Tonio_: or port it to portland if you want to be /really/ adventurous :)
[05:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm doing another way, looking if gnome-session is working and kded too
[05:29] <Riddell> Tonio_: kded runs if any kde app is running
[05:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: arf, true......
[05:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: let's do with kde-full-session then :)
[05:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: kdesktop then !
[05:31] <danimo> Tonio_: what's the current driver version?
[05:31] <Tonio_> danimo: 1:1.6.5-0ubuntu3
[05:31] <Tonio_> really outdated......
[05:31] <danimo> Tonio_: no, I mean from upstream
[05:32] <Tonio_> danimo: hum, don't know, let me check
[05:32] <danimo> Tonio_: are you sure it's from pre X7.0 times?
[05:32] <danimo> Tonio_: hard to imagine
[05:34] <Tonio_> danimo: I'm searching for upstream tarball but I don't find it......
[05:34] <danimo> Tonio_: in case of doubt, we should ask in #x.org
[05:34] <danimo> Tonio_: eric or keith
[05:34] <danimo> #xorg?
[05:36] <Riddell> nixternal: yes
[05:37] <Riddell> nixternal: it's a spec I havn't yet written
[05:38] <Tonio_> danimo: let's wait for a response.......
[05:38] <Tonio_> danimo: did you try with compiz package, it that better speed ?
[05:39] <danimo> Tonio_: they don't package the drivers for edgy it seems
[05:41] <Tonio_> danimo: they ?
[05:41] <Tonio_> danimo: ah, that's not an issue, I can port via the source package......
[05:41] <danimo> ok
[05:42] <Tonio_> danimo: just I think it would be nice to find upstream release since mdz will probably reject if we are not using latest one
[05:42] <Tonio_> danimo: we cannot be sure compiz drivers are official ones :)
[05:42] <danimo> Tonio_: try #xorg-devel
[05:44] <Tonio_> danimo: let's wait ;)
[05:44] <danimo> ok
[05:52] <Tonio_> danimo: bad news, we have the latest version........
[05:52] <Tonio_> danimo: can be buggy als........
[05:52] <Tonio_> also
[05:53] <danimo> Tonio_: uh?
[05:53] <danimo> Tonio_: you mean the latest _released_ version?
[05:53] <Tonio_> danimo: yes
[05:54] <Tonio_> danimo: http://xorg.freedesktop.org/releases/individual/driver/
[05:54] <danimo> Tonio_: suse uses some git version
[05:54] <Tonio_> danimo: can you look at suse source package maybe ?
[05:54] <danimo> Tonio_: but let me guess: we won't get an exception for this one?
[05:54] <Tonio_> danimo: maybe there is just a patch to apply
[05:54] <danimo> Tonio_: sure
[05:54] <danimo> Tonio_: I'm sure they package straight from git
[05:54] <Tonio_> danimo: well if it is just a patch, no need to exception
[05:55] <danimo> Tonio_: how good that I have a suse chroot :)
[05:55] <Tonio_> danimo: hehe
[05:55] <Tonio_> danimo: can be a build issue too, maybe rebuilding our driver will give better results if deps have been updated......
[05:56] <danimo> Tonio_: x.org 7.1
[05:57] <danimo> Tonio_: they have a commulated driver package
[05:57] <jdong> oh poo, is it really that time of the month again?
[05:57] <danimo> ?!
[05:58] <danimo> Tonio_: we have 7.0 packages
[05:58] <danimo> Tonio_: but the 7.1 driver can be used witgh 7.0 afaik
[05:59] <beligum> Riddell: is this a good reference for libinstrudeo0? http://libnjb.cvs.sourceforge.net/libnjb/libnjb/debian/rules?view=markup
[05:59] <danimo> Tonio_: why do we still use 7.0?
[06:00] <Riddell> beligum: mostly you need to change the debian/control file and add the .install files, which you can see from the same place for libnjb
[06:00] <beligum> ok
[06:00] <Tonio_> danimo: well could be a solution in that case
[06:01] <Tonio_> danimo: I can package 7.1 driver and check then
[06:01] <Tonio_> danimo: I'm finishing something and we're looking at that together :)
[06:01] <Tonio_> promissed
[06:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: I fixed urls.py
[06:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: wanna look at the debdiff maybe ?
[06:03] <Riddell> Tonio_: sure
[06:04] <danimo> Tonio_: great
[06:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm reporting the bug first and debdiff
[06:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: should I fix tarball directly or provide a patch, as it is native application ?
[06:08] <Tonio_> the point is I don't have access to bzr branch...
[06:09] <beligum> Riddell: should I rename the source-name in debian/control to libinstrudeo0 too, or can I use libinstrudeo here ?
[06:09] <Riddell> beligum: no, keep upstream name for source package
[06:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: debdiff : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23444
[06:11] <Tonio_> works here, but I don't know if I can commit upgrading the version like this
[06:11] <Tonio_> I could have removed the gnome-open and kfmclient testing too
[06:11] <Riddell> Tonio_: looks fine, get mvo to review
[06:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay
[06:12] <Tonio_> danimo: I'm your servant :)
[06:13] <Tonio_> let's try 7.1 package
[06:14] <danimo> Tonio_: yay!
[06:16] <danimo> Tonio_: so what do we do?
[06:19] <jdong> heh a RAMpage :)
[06:19] <jdong> oh forgive me, ktorrent, but you simply don't download fast enough
[06:20] <kwwii> well, one person is dead set against any purple what-so-ever
[06:20] <beligum> Riddell: I guess that the revu-upload-name (libinstrudeo0) is wrong too, then? Should be just libinstrudeo?
[06:21] <kwwii> good thing that one person alone won't change my mind
[06:21] <Riddell> beligum: yes
[06:28] <raphink> Riddell: I just modified your our_theme patch for ksplash-engine-mooding
[06:28] <raphink> s/mooding/moodin/
[06:28] <Riddell> raphink: oh?
[06:29] <Riddell> raphink: what's changed?
[06:29] <raphink> to use a setting in Theme.rc instead of hardcoding the kubuntu theme in the patch
[06:29] <raphink> adding KubuntuStyle = true
[06:29] <raphink> to the Theme.rc 
[06:29] <raphink> allows to use this patch stuff with any other theme
[06:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm gonna try to fix kdm localy and see what about :)
[06:29] <raphink> so this can even be put upstream
[06:29] <Riddell> raphink: ok
[06:30] <raphink> Riddell: I'm going to upload it, and update k-d-s to add KubuntuStyle = true to the Kubuntu ksplash theme
[06:30] <raphink> Riddell: I tested the patch already twice
[06:30] <raphink> but maybe you want to double check
[06:30] <Riddell> raphink: wait for the upload, still knot freeze
[06:30] <raphink> k
[06:30] <Riddell> raphink: a debdiff would be lovely
[06:30] <raphink> alright
[06:31] <raphink> I've also removed the thememoodin.cpp.org file in the diff
[06:31] <raphink> sinc eit's clueless
[06:32] <Riddell> that'll be left over from me patching stuff
[06:33] <raphink> yes
[06:33] <raphink> so I removed it
[06:33] <raphink> :)
[06:33] <raphink> I'll send you the debdiff
[06:40] <raphink> Riddell: sent
[06:41] <raphink> can you check it and let me know?
[06:45] <GNUrante> Hi
[06:45] <bddebian> Hello GNUrante
[06:46] <GNUrante> i'm testing edgy, and wlassistant don't work, because dhclient print this in stderr
[06:46] <GNUrante>  There is already a pid file /var/run/dhclient.pid with pid 134993416
[06:46] <GNUrante> it's a dhclient problem.
[06:47] <GNUrante> wlassistant work fine with simple patch
[06:48] <GNUrante> change wlassistant.cpp with this
[06:48] <GNUrante>                if (dhcp_out.find("::ERR::")>-1 && QString::compare(dhcp_out.right(9),"134993416")==0) {
[06:49] <GNUrante> Note: the very problem is dhclient.
[06:49] <GNUrante> that is all
[06:49] <GNUrante> =)
[06:49] <GNUrante> bddebian: hello! =)
[06:49] <Lure> sebas: ping
[06:50] <Riddell> GNUrante: so dhclient sometimes puts a bogus pid in its lock file?
[06:51] <GNUrante> Riddell: no
[06:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: I've attached a proper patch for bug bug 60426, I let mvo commiting to bzr and the package.
[06:51] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 60426 in launchpad-integration "uses gnome prefs if kde and gnome are installed." [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60426
[06:51] <Tonio_> danimo: ping ?
[06:51] <GNUrante> Riddell: the lock file is clean O_o but show this error
[06:51] <Tonio_> danimo: first thing I'm going to do is a diff from compiz driver package and our
[06:51] <GNUrante> with this pid 134993416
[06:52] <Tonio_> danimo: maybe that's just a very little change....
[06:53] <Riddell> Tonio_: what did you decide to do with it?
[06:53] <Riddell> GNUrante: I'm not understanding, what is dhclient doing wrong?
[06:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: well, seb128 agreed to use GNOME_DESKTOP_SESSION_ID to check if gnome is used...
[06:54] <Tonio_> Riddell:  so here is the patch : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23447
[06:54] <Tonio_> works and is cleaner than using ps
[06:55] <Riddell> Tonio_: cool
[06:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: now mvo to decide :)
[06:55] <Tonio_> okay let's go with that i810 issue.......
[06:56] <Tonio_> and after that I'm gonna code my own paste applet since pastebin sucks and ubuntu-nl is too slow ;)
[06:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: would be nice if we had our own paste.kubuntu.org thing
[06:57] <GNUrante> Riddell:  When launching dhclient... for example "dhclient -q wlan0", if in  /var/run/dhclient*.pid is not presents any pid, then this message is shown " There is already a pid file /var/run/dhclient.pid with pid 134993416" (sorry for my bad english!)
[07:02] <Riddell> GNUrante: I can't recreate that problem
[07:03] <Riddell> GNUrante: but it really needs fixed in dhclient not GUIs
[07:08] <Tonio_> danimo: speed is better in dapper, so can be a bug with the latest version......;
[07:08] <Tonio_> danimo: I'm first trying to rebuild
[07:09] <Tonio_> danimo: did you report the bug ?
[07:09] <GNUrante> Riddell: mmm, ok  PS: my version is [~] >dhclient3 --version
[07:09] <GNUrante> isc-dhclient-V3.0.4
[07:09] <GNUrante> Version: 3.0.4-6ubuntu4
[07:10] <Riddell> GNUrante: not using dhcp3-client? that's the normal one
[07:12] <GNUrante> Package: dhcp3-client
[07:12] <Hawkwind> !no sound-#kubuntu is <reply>If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[07:12] <ubotu> I know nothing about sound-#kubuntu yet
[07:12] <Hawkwind> Seveas: When you're around, please tell us the correct way to edit/change/make a fact for a specific channel
[07:13] <Seveas> Hawkwind, there is NO reason that that factoid should be #kubuntu specific
[07:13] <Seveas> !sound
[07:13] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure alsa is selected by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (Alsa Mixer). If you are still having problems with sound, then look at http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems
[07:13] <Hawkwind> Seveas: The part about File -> blah blah is Gnome specific and confuses users
[07:13] <Seveas> ah, missed that
[07:13] <Hawkwind> That's why we wanted a Kubuntu specific one
[07:13] <Seveas> don't use !no bla is
[07:14] <Seveas> just use !bla-#kubuntu is
[07:14] <Hawkwind> Ah ok.  I was following an example that Hobbsee did the other day.  I'll try it now
[07:14] <Riddell> raphink: patch seems fine
[07:14] <raphink> I've tested it twice Riddell
[07:14] <raphink> it works :)
[07:15] <Seveas> the !no trick is only needed for changing factoids 
[07:15] <raphink> so together with this patch, we have to update k-d-s with new Theme.rc
[07:15] <Hawkwind> Seveas: Got it, thanks :)
[07:16] <raphink> Riddell: when can I upload it?
[07:16] <raphink> I'll upload k-d-s first, so the option will already be there and it won't break anything at all
[07:16] <seaLne> does anyone have a chance to look at http://revu.tauware.de./details.py?upid=3123 ?
[07:17] <bddebian> seaLne: I will after I look at cmph
[07:17] <bddebian> s/look at/finish with/
[07:17] <Riddell> raphink: when Knot 3 is out
[07:17] <raphink> ok
[07:19] <seaLne> bddebian: ta
[07:21] <Tonio_> danimo: still slow, it really looks like the error is in the driver....... I'm trying to downgrade it
[07:23] <danimo> Tonio_: hmm
[07:24] <Tonio_> danimo: tuxracer works correctly here
[07:25] <Tonio_> danimo: maybe that's just googleearth issue.....
[07:25] <Tonio_> danimo: what else would you suggest to test to check performances ?
[07:26] <danimo> Tonio_: yes, for me, too
[07:27] <danimo> Tonio_: glxgears?
[07:27] <danimo> Tonio_: I always get: libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x5b
[07:27] <danimo> Tonio_: not sure if that's the trouble, but it doesn't sound like it
[07:27] <Tonio_> glxgears -printfps
[07:27] <Tonio_> danimo: can you test this ?
[07:27] <Tonio_> yes I do too
[07:27] <danimo> 10805 frames in 5.1 seconds = 2138.356 FPS
[07:28] <Tonio_> danimo: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23448
[07:28] <Tonio_> hu ??????? so much for you ?
[07:28] <Tonio_> wow.......
[07:28] <Tonio_> look at mine !
[07:28] <danimo> yes, sounds bogus
[07:28] <Tonio_> danimo: dualcore proc ?
[07:29] <danimo> 4094 frames in 5.0 seconds = 818.656 FPS
[07:29] <danimo> Tonio_: nope
[07:29] <Tonio_> danimo: ah...
[07:29] <danimo> centrino, single core
[07:29] <Tonio_> danimo: well it looks like normal performances
[07:29] <danimo> Tonio_: ah!
[07:29] <Tonio_> danimo:  ?
[07:29] <danimo> Tonio_: it goes up because the window was hidden behind yakuake
[07:29] <Tonio_> danimo: hehe
[07:29] <danimo> Tonio_: and then the driver doesn't have to draw and hence can compute more
[07:30] <danimo> Tonio_: so the first figure is always wrong
[07:30] <Tonio_> danimo: yup, okay let's compare displaying the window
[07:31] <danimo> Tonio_: ppracer values are also fine
[07:31] <danimo> Tonio_: what does it show you when you enable ftp display?
[07:31] <danimo> fps even
[07:31] <GNUrante> bye all
[07:32] <Tonio_> danimo: to me average value is about 1100 fps
[07:32] <Tonio_> looks normal
[07:32] <Tonio_> let's test tuxracer
[07:34] <Tonio_> danimo: ppracer, with video options set to 1280x800 to be fullscreen, I get about 27 fps on the first race
[07:34] <Tonio_> danimo: looks normal to me....
[07:38] <_Sime_> Tonio_: hi
[07:39] <Tonio_> _Sime_: hey :)
[07:39] <Tonio_> _Sime_: can we take a moment to make a point concerning your media patches ?
[07:39] <_Sime_> go for it.
[07:40] <Tonio_> _Sime_: I think the latest ones are not on the wiki since they have already been commited 3 weeks ago
[07:40] <Tonio_> _Sime_: the patches "pending" are already in kdebase
[07:40] <Tonio_> _Sime_: and the action selection dialog still doesn't appear.....
[07:40] <Tonio_> _Sime_: when did you fix the problem and released latest patches ?
[07:42] <_Sime_> Tonio_: know what I'm going to do. I'm going to "apt-get source kdelibs & kdebase" and look at what's inside.
[07:43] <_Sime_> Tonio_: should I update everything first? or will apt-get source get the latest?
[07:43] <Tonio_> _Sime_: yes, would be nice :)
[07:44] <Tonio_> _Sime_: update is better yes
[07:44] <Tonio_> _Sime_: let me know what about ;)
[07:45] <Lure> _Sime_: apt-get source always takes the latest source
[07:45] <Lure> _Sime_: even if binaries are not even built and published yet
[07:45] <Tonio_> Lure: don't you have to update first ?
[07:45] <Tonio_> Lure: seems than yes
[07:46] <jdong|laptop> Lure: yeah, it even finds me source packages that don't compile... it's great :)
[07:46] <Lure> Tonio_: right, you need to update, but not upgrade
[07:46] <Tonio_> Lure: who said "upgrade" appart from you ? ;)
[07:46] <Tonio_> _Sime_: going to eat, but feel free to ping me :)
[07:46] <Lure> Tonio_: nobody, I just read it that way ;-)
[07:46] <_Sime_> I've requested an upgrade. It is now d/ling and updating.
[07:47] <Tonio_> Lure: hehe
[07:47] <Lure> ;-)
[08:34] <_Sime_> Tonio_: kdelibs looks correct. now kdebase.
[08:35] <danimo> Tonio_: any news?
[08:36] <Tonio_> _Sime_: okay, thanks ;)
[08:36] <Tonio_> danimo: nope.... I must say I cannot reproduce the issue outside of googleearth.....;
[08:36] <Tonio_> I assume the issue is with it...
[08:37] <Tonio_> danimo: if was bugging but fast with old driver and now it is correct but slow...
[08:37] <Tonio_> danimo: I suspect it is googleearth issue with that driver, not a driver issue
[09:05] <_Sime_> Tonio_: ping ping
[09:05] <Tonio_> _Sime_: yup ?
[09:06] <_Sime_> kubuntu_73_nomediaioslave_mounthelper.diff  = kdebase_3.5.4_sime_kio_v2.diff
[09:06] <Tonio_> _Sime_: hu ?
[09:06] <Tonio_> kool ;)
[09:06] <_Sime_> this should be kdebase_3.5.4_sime_kio_v3.diff instead.
[09:06] <Tonio_> _Sime_: let me have a look
[09:07] <_Sime_> replace kubuntu_73... with the kio_v3 patch.
[09:07] <Tonio_> _Sime_: okay, I'm looking cause I'm surprised I must say......
[09:08] <_Sime_> v2 and v3 are very similiar, except for 2 lines.
[09:08] <_Sime_> on one line, or something.
[09:08] <Tonio_> _Sime_: kdelibs_3.5.4_sime_kfilespeedbar.diff
[09:09] <Tonio_> this one is already in no ?
[09:09] <Tonio_> it is said to be pending
[09:09] <_Sime_> wait a sec
[09:10] <_Sime_> yes, that appears to be in kdelibs. :)
[09:10] <Tonio_> _Sime_: 
[09:10] <Tonio_> -+      KURL url( "system:/media/"+name );
[09:10] <Tonio_> ++      KURL url( "media:/"+name );
[09:10] <_Sime_> yes
[09:10] <Tonio_> heh, you're right, That confused me.....
[09:11] <Tonio_> okay I'm preparing the package
[09:11] <Tonio_> _Sime_: ah also, I have a bug here, you'll tell me if that's known ;)
[09:11] <Lure> Tonio_: I will have updated ksmserver patch for kdebase in hour or so - can you merge it in?
[09:11] <_Sime_> what is it?
[09:11] <Tonio_> Lure: sure
[09:12] <Tonio_> _Sime_: when I insert a cd and go to /media
[09:12] <Lure> Tonio_: it will just add lock screen before suspend/hibernate from logout dialog
[09:12] <Tonio_> I can see cdrom0, I'm clicking on it
[09:12] <Tonio_> and then blank screen, nothing
[09:12] <Tonio_> audiocd:/ works, and media:/ scd0 works too
[09:13] <_Sime_> Tonio_: audio cd?
[09:13] <Tonio_> _Sime_: yes
[09:13] <_Sime_> ok, get it.
[09:13] <_Sime_> i get it
[09:14] <Tonio_> _Sime_: URL is set to audiocd:/?device=/dev/scd0
[09:14] <Tonio_> _Sime_: the point is typing this works
[09:14] <Tonio_> but when I double clik on it it doesn't......
[09:14] <Tonio_> as if it wasn't using this url ;)
[09:15] <Tonio_> _Sime_: you seem to reproduce ?
[09:15] <Tonio_> Lure: send me your patches plz :)
[09:15] <Lure> Tonio_: I will, just need to build and test first
[09:16] <Tonio_> Lure: ah okay, let me know I'l prepare the package for end of the freeze
[09:16] <Lure> Tonio_: main is still under embargo, right?
[09:16] <_Sime_> Tonio_: I know what is going on there. I've added that to hte wiki.
[09:16] <Tonio_> Lure: yup
[09:16] <Tonio_> _Sime_: great
[09:16] <Tonio_> _Sime_: I'm syncking the kubuntu_73 patch right now
[09:17] <_Sime_> cool
[09:20] <Tonio_> _Sime_: are you changing the wikipage right now ? cause I want to update the "in edgy" list ;)
[09:21] <_Sime_> i just updated it
[09:21] <Tonio_> _Sime_: okay, same for me :)
[09:22] <Tonio_> _Sime_: konq-plugins/mediarealfolder/media_realfolder.desktop -> do I have to change the package to remove it ? I can do it :)
[09:23] <Tonio_> _Sime_: can you just confirm me that's still required
[09:23] <_Sime_> Tonio_: it should  be removed, yes.
[09:24] <Tonio_> _Sime_: I'm preparing the package too
[09:27] <Tonio_> _Sime_: done, I'll upload as soon as possible
[09:28] <Lure> Tonio_: I still get this file://system error on sidebar - is your old media:/ fix still there?
[09:28] <Tonio_> Lure: yes but I have to remove this again.......
[09:28] <Lure> Tonio_: I can give you patch already, it is not built/tested yet
[09:29] <Tonio_> I removed this from the sidebar but synching with debian had it back
[09:29] <Tonio_> Lure: no need, it is just a .desktop file to remove from a .install file :)
[09:29] <Tonio_> Lure: the point is it needs to be done at every debian sync
[09:30] <Lure> Tonio_: but isn't this due to your patch (dapper fix for system:/home?)
[09:30] <Tonio_> Lure: ah yes, it is
[09:30] <Tonio_> Lure: the point is we have to remove the systementry in konqsidebar
[09:30] <Lure> Tonio_: if we drop that patch, then system:/ should work in sidebar
[09:30] <Tonio_> Lure: yep
[09:31] <Tonio_> Lure: but do we want to drop the patch ?
[09:31] <Lure> Tonio_: we can leave it now with _Sime's patches it should work, or not?
[09:31] <Tonio_> Lure: nope
[09:31] <Tonio_> Lure: my patch is to replace system:/home by ~
[09:31] <Lure> Tonio_: why not?
[09:32] <Tonio_> Lure: because that create issues
[09:32] <Tonio_> browse system:/home and try to rightclick edit with gimp
[09:32] <Tonio_> error message.........
[09:32] <Lure> Tonio_: yes, but _Sime has changed system folder to do the same, so I though it should work for sidembar too
[09:32] <Tonio_> _Sime_: did you change that for system:/home too ?
[09:32] <Lure> Tonio_: try system menu from panel - Home is /home/<username>
[09:33] <Tonio_> Lure: THIS IS MY PATCH !!!!!!
[09:33] <Tonio_> not sime's ;)
[09:33] <Lure> Tonio_: and Storage media is /media/<xxx>
[09:33] <Tonio_> Lure: remove my patch and you'll get the same error
[09:33] <Tonio_> Lure: _Sime_didn't touch this part
[09:33] <Lure> Tonio_: I do not recall you changed media...
[09:33] <Tonio_> Lure: nope
[09:34] <Lure> Tonio_: so who did that if not _Sime? ;-)
[09:34] <Tonio_> kdebase (4:3.5.2-0ubuntu14) dapper; urgency=low
[09:34] <Tonio_>   * Added previously removed kubuntu_54_system_protocol_home_dir.diff  make
[09:34] <Tonio_>     system:/ use /home/foo not system:/home/foo
[09:34] <Tonio_> this is my patch
[09:34] <Tonio_> sime's patch are for media:/ stuff
[09:34] <_Sime_> Tonio_: system:/home/ goes to ~ on dapper. I haven't changed anything there for edgy.
[09:34] <Tonio_> is it that complicated ?
[09:35] <Lure> Tonio_: ok, I though that _Sime changed both for edgy
[09:35] <Tonio_> _Sime_: I know, I did the patch.......; but Lure looks veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery confused ;)
[09:35] <Tonio_> Lure: voila
[09:35] <Tonio_> Lure: I did the patch for dapper
[09:35] <Tonio_> Lure: and the patch works except creates an issue in the konq sidebar
[09:35] <danimo> Tonio_: so no idea?
[09:35] <Tonio_> Lure: so I removed the desktop file from the .install
[09:35] <Lure> Tonio_: so we still need your patch and just drop system from sidebar as we do not understand how to fix
[09:35] <danimo> Tonio_: what about X.org 7.1?
[09:35] <Tonio_> Lure: but when riddell resynched with debian, the file was back
[09:35] <_Sime_> My patch for icons on the desktop finally seems to be getting there.
[09:36] <Tonio_> Lure: so we have to put a not that this needs removal for each update :)
[09:36] <_Sime_> (still working on it)
[09:36] <Tonio_> danimo: didn't check at the moment cause I'm certain this is googleearth issue, not xorg
[09:36] <Tonio_> Lure: I'm changing this in kdebase ;
[09:37] <Tonio_> Lure: can you "locate system.desktop | grep sidebar" please
[09:38] <Tonio_> Lure: it looks like I already removed it
[09:38] <Lure> Tonio_: /home/luka/.kde/share/apps/konqsidebartng/webbrowsing/entries/system.desktop
[09:38] <Lure> Tonio_: is this just my profile then?
[09:38] <Tonio_> Lure: hehe it is profile issue
[09:39] <Lure> (maybe boot in dapper introduced it)
[09:39] <Tonio_> Lure: yes, I removed it from the package
[09:40] <Lure> Tonio_: ok, sorry for bothering you with this
[09:41] <Tonio_> Lure: your servant :) I'm bothering so many people all the time you know :)
[09:42] <Tonio_> Lure, _Sime_:how about my patche for konqueror view misses icon ?
[09:42] <Tonio_> Lure, _Sime_: I know you probably didn't have the time, but it'd be nice to have it in beofre edgy is out :)
[09:42] <_Sime_> Tonio_: I haven't had time to look at it.
[09:42] <Tonio_> _Sime_: of course, don't mind, that's just for "everything else is done" :)
[09:42] <_Sime_> I would like to see that go it though.
[09:43] <Lure> Tonio_: me neither - I need to finish powermanager today on Sat I go for one week vacation
[09:43] <Tonio_> _Sime_: I too but I've done my best, I'm not able to patch for that icon....
[09:43] <Lure> Tonio_: I might look into this today if I am done with powermanager soon
[09:43] <Tonio_> _Sime_: I did the thing for kds and merging the buttons, but I can't do more...... too complicated for me
[09:43] <_Sime_> Riddell doesn't have time?
[09:44] <Tonio_> Lure, _Sime_: for your information, I'm splitting kde-guidance to extract power-manager
[09:44] <Lure> Tonio_: updated ksmserver patch is here: http://lure.homelinux.net/kubuntu/kubuntu_76_ksmserver_suspend.diff
[09:44] <Lure> Tonio_: still need to build and test
[09:44] <Tonio_> that to manage conflicts with kpowersave
[09:44] <Tonio_> Lure: thanks, does this close bugs ?
[09:44] <Riddell> _Sime_: waiting for knot 3 to be released, can't upload anything until then
[09:44] <Lure> Tonio_: no, it just adds lock screen 
[09:44] <jdong|laptop> just a suggestion, I think guidance-power-manager should be splitted out as its own package, so it can be nicely overridden by kpowersave
[09:45] <jdong|laptop> oops, never mind
[09:45] <jdong|laptop> Tonio_ is always one step ahead of me
[09:45] <Lure> Tonio_: we do not conflict with kpowersave ;-)
[09:45] <_Sime_> Riddell: can we get that Detail view - Icon View button thing in konq worked out?
[09:45] <Lure> Tonio_: I have both running ;-)
[09:45] <Tonio_> Lure: isn't that annoying ?
[09:45] <Tonio_> Lure: the problem is it'll not be easy to disable power-manager if you want kpowersave instead
[09:46] <Riddell> _Sime_: well I can't see a way to add it and keep the UI clean
[09:46] <Lure> Tonio_:I think we should have disable feature in powermanager
[09:46] <Tonio_> danimo: do you really think it is driver related issue ? It would be nice to confirm with another application maybe
[09:46] <Lure> Tonio_: quit should ask if automatic startup should be disabled
[09:46] <Tonio_> Lure: I agree, yes
[09:47] <Tonio_> Lure: point, that's better than my solution, you're right
[09:47] <Lure> Tonio_: just not sure where to put enable autostart then... :-(
[09:47] <Tonio_> Lure: the point is how to overwrite /usr/share/autostart thing ?
[09:47] <Lure> Tonio_: exactly
[09:48] <Tonio_> Lure: I have a solution
[09:48] <Tonio_> Lure: kde remembers sessions
[09:48] <Lure> Tonio_: only if you have it configured that way
[09:48] <Tonio_> Lure: kds ;)
[09:48] <Lure> Tonio_: I though that we should use ~/.kde/Autostart instead...
[09:49] <Lure> Tonio_: but I need to talk with sebas (or Riddell)
[09:49] <Tonio_> Lure: yes, the problem is that writting in ~ can only be done via startkde, which is done at every boot......
[09:50] <Tonio_> Lure: here is my idea : configure kds to have power-manager restored
[09:50] <Tonio_> Lure: ah.......; forget it, will not work.....
[09:50] <Tonio_> impossible to disable too since the kds settings are read at every boot.....
[09:51] <Lure> Tonio_: other option is to leave /usr/share/autostart, but powermanager have enabled/disabled in his own rc file
[09:51] <Tonio_> Lure: yes, that another option
[09:51] <Lure> Tonio_: it would just exit if disabled (like it does if another instance is running)
[09:51] <Tonio_> Lure: if you talk to sebas, would be nice to discuss the "battery has been removed" and "battery has been inserted" messages :)
[09:52] <Tonio_> Lure: they potentially give wrong informations when the battery is full
[09:52] <Lure> Tonio_: already fixed here ;-)
[09:52] <beligum> Hello again to all, I think I'm getting pretty close to a final build with libinstrudeo, can someone take a look? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3124
[09:52] <Tonio_> Lure: ah ? cool
[09:52] <Lure> Tonio_: I had to refactor quite some code for multi battery support and did a lot of testing in last evenings... ;-)
[09:53] <Tonio_> beligum: I'm looking
[09:53] <Tonio_> Lure: hehe
[09:53] <beligum> Tonio_: thx
[09:53] <Tonio_> Lure: concerning your patch, is it closing launchpad bugs (for changelog) ?
[09:54] <kwwii> ok, who wants to implement this in Qt?  http://blogs.ubuntu-nl.org/dennis/2006/09/13/more-fun-with-usplash/
[09:54] <Lure> Tonio_: no, just put "Lock screen before suspend/hibernate"
[09:56] <Tonio_> beligum: you added upstream changelog to debian/changelog ?
[09:56] <beligum> Tonio_: damn, yes, that one sneaked in again...
[09:56] <danimo> Tonio_: well, given it worked with other versions of the driver, it probably is
[09:57] <Tonio_> beligum: only include packaging informations there :) also in debian/control, it would be nice adding "development package" for the -dev
[09:57] <Tonio_> beligum: good packaging otherwise.... although you should consider cdbs, really !
[09:58] <Tonio_> danimo: I would say it depends on xorg version + several libs that could have been updated
[09:59] <Tonio_> danimo: this is the problem with binary only application, you cannot be sure they have been compiled with the same libs version
[09:59] <danimo> Tonio_: from my expirience it's only the driver
[09:59] <Tonio_> danimo: that's why I'm not checking on my own...
[09:59] <Tonio_> danimo: yes but the driver has good performances otherwise
[09:59] <danimo> Tonio_: it worked after switching driver and glx libs from the xgl repo
[09:59] <Tonio_> danimo: more than this, even the interface of googleearth is slow
[09:59] <Tonio_> and that's not opengl
[10:00] <Tonio_> danimo: could be a problem with our qt version too
[10:00] <danimo> Tonio_: hmm? google does not use opengl?!
[10:00] <Tonio_> danimo: they do
[10:00] <danimo> yeah
[10:00] <Tonio_> danimo: ah !!!!
[10:00] <danimo> ?!
[10:00] <Tonio_> danimo: changing the driver with xgl ones work ??????? interesting*
[10:00] <danimo> yes
[10:00] <danimo> that's what I did back when being on dapper
[10:01] <Tonio_> danimo: the problem is that they are not officials.......
[10:01] <danimo> yeah, I know
[10:01] <Tonio_> danimo: is there a source package ?
[10:01] <danimo> Tonio_: and it also works on suse
[10:01] <beligum> Tonio_: do I need to include a changelog-entry for every release, even if I can't think of something? :)
[10:01] <Tonio_> I'll try to build a edgy version
[10:01] <Tonio_> install it and bench :)
[10:01] <danimo> Tonio_: great!
[10:02] <Tonio_> danimo: do you have the deb-src somewhere ?
[10:02] <Tonio_> I'll build a deb and we can install and bench
[10:02] <danimo> no
[10:03] <Tonio_> let me check
[10:03] <Tonio_> deb http://xgl.compiz.info dapper main ?
[10:03] <Tonio_> danimo: looks like this
[10:07] <Tonio_> danimo: they use older version : unpacking xserver-xorg-driver-i810_1.5.0.1-0ubuntu2.tar.gz
[10:07] <Tonio_> I'm building this and replacing my driver
[10:08] <Tonio_> then we'll bench again :)
[10:09] <beligum> Riddell, Tonio_ : libinstrudeo_0.1.3-0ubuntu1 should be the final package name, right (version changed to 0.1.3-0ubuntu1)
[10:09] <kwwii> boah, did I do something to deserve everyone ignoring me?
[10:09] <Lure> kwwii: ?
[10:10] <kwwii> carefull the artist is wierding out again
[10:11] <kwwii> I want my usplash maker and I don't wanna use gtk to get it :-9
[10:11] <jdong|laptop> :)
[10:13] <Tonio_> kwwii: kcontrol module for this would be nice :)
[10:14] <Tonio_> kwwii: guidance maybe but I'm not accurate enough in python to do this hehe :)
[10:14] <kwwii> python would be perfect, but you'll also need imagemagick or some other decent image lib
[10:15] <kwwii> re-paletting, etc.
[10:15] <Tonio_> danimo: restarting X, I hope I can come back :)
[10:16] <danimo> looks good?! :)
[10:16] <Tonio_> re
[10:17] <Tonio_> danimo: good point the driver works :)
[10:17] <Tonio_> danimo: nope, googlearth is still like my grandmother............; slooooooooooooooooooooooooooow
[10:17] <danimo> Tonio_: and google earth?
[10:17] <danimo> damn :}
[10:17] <Tonio_> hehe, yes :)
[10:17] <Tonio_> danimo: I think I'm right, this isn't driver issue, but googleearth's
[10:17] <Tonio_> danimo: probably needs recompiling
[10:18] <Tonio_> danimo: the good point is google uses ubuntu, so they'll probably see the issue on edgy ;)
[10:18] <danimo> Tonio_: why does it work with other drivers. or i810 on suse?
[10:19] <Tonio_> danimo: is Xserver the same version ?
[10:19] <danimo> no, suse uses 7.1
[10:19] <Tonio_> danimo: is libogl same version ?
[10:19] <danimo> Tonio_: but they also use the same version of google earth
[10:19] <trappist> bug 14918 is confirmed, high, and has a patch attached, with no new activity for about 4 months, if somebody could take a look.  quick fix.
[10:19] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 14918 in kdebase "kdm is missing dependency on lsb-base" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/14918
[10:19] <Tonio_> danimo: maybe there is an xorg bug that is resolved in 7.1.......
[10:20] <Tonio_> danimo: or maybe we had crappy patch...... dunno in fact
[10:20] <danimo> Tonio_: why isn't edgy edgy with X?
[10:20] <DaSkreech> Tonio_: Does WorldWind still discrimiinate?
[10:20] <Lure> trappist: that is for Tonio_ - he is just preparing kdebase
[10:20] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: you mean ?
[10:20] <DaSkreech> Not work on Linux :)
[10:20] <Tonio_> trappist: let me check this !
[10:20] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: ah !!!!!!!
[10:20] <Tonio_> interesting !
[10:21] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: using mono ?
[10:21] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: windows version uses .net.......;
[10:21] <DaSkreech> Yeah I know
[10:22] <Tonio_> trappist: I can see the bug, but I don't understand, why is dependancy required ? it works no ?
[10:22] <Tonio_> danimo: I don't understand the question :)
[10:23] <Tonio_> danimo: is it "why isn't edgy with 7.1 ?" :)
[10:23] <danimo> yes
[10:23] <Tonio_> danimo: hehe, dunno to be honnest
[10:25] <trappist> Tonio_: it apparently requires stuff in /lib/lsb/init-functions
[10:26] <Tonio_> trappist: yes but how and why ? ;)
[10:26] <Tonio_> I don't see the point in fact
[10:27] <trappist> Tonio_: me neither - I dunno who confirmed it as a problem
[10:28] <Tonio_> trappist: /etc/init.d/kdm stop|start is working here
[10:28] <Tonio_> trappist: and I don't see anything in the scripts code relative to lsb......
[10:28] <Tonio_> tonio@kubuntu:~$ grep lsb /etc/init.d/kdm
[10:28] <Tonio_> tonio@kubuntu:~$ grep functions /etc/init.d/kdm
[10:28] <Tonio_> tonio@kubuntu:~$ grep lib /etc/init.d/kdm
[10:28] <Tonio_> tonio@kubuntu:~$
[10:28] <Tonio_> trappist: does it really needs this ? looks like no
[10:29] <Tonio_> trappist: I'm intented to reject the bug
[10:29] <trappist> Tonio_: me neither, on edgy.  do you have a dapper box handy?  it's an oldish bug
[10:29] <Tonio_> trappist: nope
[10:29] <Tonio_> danimo: we probably have to wait for next googleearth version or next ubuntu version...
[10:30] <danimo> :((
[10:30] <Tonio_> trappist: feel free to reject ;)
[10:30] <trappist> Tonio_: I'm checking on dapper...
[10:30] <Tonio_> trappist: okay
[10:31] <trappist> Tonio_: heh, nothing on dapper either.  I'll reject.
[10:33] <jeroenvrp> how to force apt-get to install all the packages in the repos, even if the installed packages are newer
[10:33] <jeroenvrp> ?
[10:34] <Tonio_> trappist: okay
[10:36] <Tonio_> jeroenvrp: relmove installed ones and reinstall them :)
[10:36] <Tonio_> jeroenvrp: why isn't that possible ?
[10:36] <jeroenvrp> Tonio_: because it seems there are many
[10:37] <Tonio_> jeroenvrp: ah.......
[10:37] <Tonio_> jeroenvrp: I must say I don't have the response
[10:39] <jeroenvrp> Tonio_: well maybe someone else
[10:40] <Tonio_> Lure: do you see 100% battery in power-manager ?
[10:40] <Tonio_> Lure: the popup still displays "battery removed" up to the cpu frequency
[10:40] <Lure> Tonio_: when fully charged, yes
[10:41] <Tonio_> Lure: hum......
[10:41] <Lure> Tonio_: I am just commiting new powermanager - if you want to test/package - great
[10:41] <Tonio_> Lure: sure !
[10:41] <Tonio_> commiting ? to svn you mean ?
[10:42] <Lure> Tonio_: yes
[10:42] <Tonio_> Lure: once done can you give me svn url please ? I'll prepare the package
[10:46] <Lure> Tonio_: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/base/guidance/powermanager/?rev=584428
[10:46] <Lure> danimo: if you want to test it would be great
[10:49] <Tonio_> Lure: packaging and testing :)
[10:50] <Lure> Tonio_: http://lure.homelinux.net/kubuntu/pm-battery-removed.png
[10:50] <Lure> Tonio_: http://lure.homelinux.net/kubuntu/pm-two-charging.png
[10:50] <Lure> Riddell: ^^^
[10:51] <jdong> jeroenvrp: you should probably try pinning the repository with a really high priority, like 999
[10:51] <Tonio_> Lure: hehe, manages several batteries now, cool :)
[10:51] <Lure> Riddell: not sure about the text when charging - I use "HH:MMh to charge" and "HH:MMh remaining" when on batteries
[10:52] <Tonio_> Lure: why displaying if battery2 is not present ?
[10:52] <Tonio_> simply not showing it no ?
[10:52] <Lure> Tonio_: this is just what HAL reports - I think when you add second battery for first time, you will always have it there
[10:53] <Lure> Tonio_: it is reported as present = false
[10:53] <Tonio_> Lure: ah okay
[10:53] <Tonio_> you need to put the second battery once then
[10:54] <Lure> Tonio_: exaclty - I first though it is cleared with reboot, but it isn't, so I suspect ACPI has some nvram somewhere to store this
[10:55] <Tonio_> Lure: yup
[10:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: no uvf exception request required for guidance I assume ?
[10:56] <Ingmar^> kpowersave used to have the ability to control cpu-speed, but on edgy i don't see that in the menu anymore, is there any other way ? or has it been removed ?
[10:57] <Tonio_> Ingmar^: well we are not focussed on kpowersave, since kubuntu is developping its own tool
[10:57] <Tonio_> Ingmar^: so I (not to say we) don't know :)
[10:58] <Tonio_> Ingmar^: as kpowersave isn't officially supported, better ask #kubuntu instead
[10:58] <Ingmar^> thanks Tonio_
[10:58] <Tonio_> Ingmar^: your servant :)
[10:58] <jdong> Ingmar^: kpowersave should control cpu speed fine, as long as modules are loaded
[10:59] <jdong> Ingmar^: you didn't delete any powernowd init scripts, did you ;)
[10:59] <jdong> Ingmar^: and powernowd has become a bit more aggressive at blacklisting certain chipsets
[11:00] <Ingmar^> ;-)
[11:00] <Lure> kwwii: we need another icon for powermanager: no battery (all removed) - any existing icon is not really good fot this state
[11:01] <seaLne> anyone else willing to look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3123 ? and maybe upload?
[11:01] <Lure> jdong: powernowd is deinstalled when (k)powersave is installed - they conflict
[11:02] <Tonio_> Lure: works :)
[11:02] <Tonio_> Lure: okay I'll upload the package when freeze ends
[11:02] <Lure> jdong: but you are right - powersave handles cpu freq mgmt, so it should work
[11:02] <Lure> Tonio_: great - thanks
[11:03] <jdong> Lure: the powernowd binary uninstalls, but the powernowd init scripts are still there.. and they still are responsible for modprobing the right cpufreq modules
[11:03] <Tonio_> Lure: amarok, kdebase, kdeaddons, kde-guidance......
[11:03] <Tonio_> I can't wait for the freeze to end
[11:03] <Ingmar^> jdong: i didn't delete anything, just updated to edgy, i just don't see the option in the kpowersave menu anymore
[11:03] <Ingmar^> and i run a pentium M, so i guess that's about the most widely supported chipset :)
[11:03] <Lure> jdong: powersaved has own scripts and does modprobing too
[11:04] <jdong> Lure: oh, ok, that's right, it does. /me forgot.
[11:04] <jdong> Ingmar^: hmm, my edgy powersave on a coreduo still does it right. hmm...
[11:04] <Ingmar^> so, is there a console command to turn down the cpu speed ?
[11:04] <Lure> Ingmar^: it is - powersave 
[11:04] <Lure> Ingmar^: it can also report capabilities and similar
[11:05] <GNUrante> Hi
[11:05] <Ingmar^> ingmar@ingmar-laptop:~$ powersave -t
[11:05] <Tonio_> Lure: concerning the vaios, I pingued sladen
[11:05] <Lure> Ingmar^: what does "lsmod| grep speedstep_centrino" report on your system?
[11:05] <jeroenvrp> well 
[11:05] <jeroenvrp> I installed edgy
[11:05] <jeroenvrp> great
[11:06] <Ingmar^> Throttling not supported
[11:06] <Ingmar^> meaning i can't do it with my laptop ?
[11:06] <jeroenvrp> but where are the K7-kernels???
[11:06] <Tonio_> Lure: looks like he may not have the time to do it, so I'll reping sooner during edgy+1 dev cycle
[11:06] <Lure> Ingmar^: you do not want throttling!
[11:06] <Tonio_> Lure: unless you can do it yourself of course hehe :)
[11:06] <Lure> Ingmar^: you want freq scaling
[11:06] <Tonio_> Lure: looks pretty easy for someone that understands C code
[11:07] <Ingmar^> ingmar@ingmar-laptop:~$ lsmod| grep speedstep_centrino
[11:07] <Ingmar^> speedstep_centrino      8816  0
[11:07] <Ingmar^> freq_table              5216  1 speedstep_centrino
[11:07] <Ingmar^> processor              27560  2 speedstep_centrino,thermal
[11:07] <Ingmar^> ingmar@ingmar-laptop:~$
[11:07] <Lure> Tonio_: is it kernel patch needed or just hotkey-support?
[11:07] <Ingmar^> sorry for slow responses, i'm lagging alot
[11:07] <Tonio_> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/hotkey-setup/+bug/50692
[11:07] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 50692 in hotkey-setup "New Sony Vaios hotkeys don't work (fn_key polling)" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  
[11:07] <Tonio_> Lure: just hotkey support
[11:08] <Tonio_> Lure: here is attached a gentoo board code that handle the keys for fs and fj series
[11:08] <Ingmar^> ingmar@ingmar-laptop:~$ powersave -l
[11:08] <Ingmar^> Speedstepping is not supported.
[11:08] <Tonio_> Lure: the keycodes just need extraction and inclusion in the laptop-buttons package
[11:08] <Tonio_> Lure: just reading the code should suffice I assume :)
[11:09] <Tonio_> Lure: just read the bug, everything is explained
[11:09] <Lure> Tonio_: I can look into this
[11:09] <Tonio_> Lure: would be very nice ;)
[11:09] <Lure> Ingmar^: cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor
[11:09] <Tonio_> but if I could code, I wouldn't do what I am doing now, so...... ^^
[11:10] <Ingmar^> ingmar@ingmar-laptop:~$ cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor
[11:10] <Ingmar^> performance
[11:10] <Lure> Ingmar^: cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors
[11:10] <Ingmar^> ingmar@ingmar-laptop:~$ cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors
[11:10] <Ingmar^> performance
[11:10] <Lure> Ingmar^: ok, this is the problem - you have only performance mode
[11:11] <Lure> Ingmar^: lsmod | grep cpufreq
[11:12] <Ingmar^> ingmar@ingmar-laptop:~$ lsmod | grep cpufreq
[11:12] <Ingmar^> ingmar@ingmar-laptop:~$
[11:12] <Ingmar^> so basically my chipset got blacklisted ?
[11:12] <Lure> Ingmar^: or drv in cpufreq_stats cpufreq_userspace cpufreq_powersave cpufreq_ondemand cpufreq_conservative ; do sudo modprobe $drv ; done
[11:13] <Lure> Ingmar^: then try lsmod again to see if modules were loaded
[11:13] <Lure> Ingmar^: it may be a script issue...
[11:13] <Ingmar^> ingmar@ingmar-laptop:~$ drv in cpufreq_stats cpufreq_userspace cpufreq_powersave cpufreq_ondemand cpufreq_conservative ; do sudo modprobe $drv ; done
[11:13] <Ingmar^> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `do'
[11:14] <Lure> Ingmar^: sorry - it should start with "for" not "or" (bad paste)
[11:14] <Lure> Ingmar^:  so "for drv in "...
[11:14] <Ingmar^> ah, ok ;)
[11:15] <Ingmar^> ingmar@ingmar-laptop:~$ lsmod | grep cpufreq
[11:15] <Ingmar^> cpufreq_conservative     8008  0
[11:15] <Ingmar^> cpufreq_ondemand        8012  0
[11:15] <Ingmar^> cpufreq_powersave       2048  0
[11:15] <Ingmar^> cpufreq_userspace       4608  0
[11:15] <Ingmar^> cpufreq_stats           6848  0
[11:15] <Ingmar^> freq_table              5216  2 cpufreq_stats,speedstep_centrino
[11:15] <Ingmar^> ingmar@ingmar-laptop:~$
[11:15] <kwwii> is the breakage in kaffeine a know problem?
[11:15] <Lure> Ingmar^: now check powersave again 
[11:15] <Ingmar^> ingmar@ingmar-laptop:~$ cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors
[11:15] <Ingmar^> conservative ondemand powersave userspace performance
[11:15] <Ingmar^> tadaa
[11:15] <Ingmar^> thanks man
[11:15] <Ingmar^> so it's a little bug :-)
[11:16] <Ingmar^> kpowersave menu is still the same
[11:16] <Lure> Ingmar^: you can check /etc/init.d/powersave* script and see if there is some obvious bug in module loading stuff
[11:16] <Lure> Ingmar^: you may need to restart kpowersave - not sure about that
[11:17] <Ingmar^> right
[11:17] <Ingmar^> i restarted that deamon
[11:17] <Ingmar^> restart kpowersave
[11:17] <Ingmar^> and it works
[11:17] <Ingmar^> thanks alot
[11:19] <Lure> Ingmar^: glad it works for you
[11:32] <beligum> Strange question: can I use KDE-widgets and compile on Windows using MingW, or should I stick to QT-strict widgets for that?
[11:32] <Ingmar^> jeroenvrp: pfunk fan ?
[11:32] <jeroenvrp> Ingmar^: yeah
[11:33] <Ingmar^> good taste, if you ask me ;-)
[11:33] <jeroenvrp> thanks
[11:33] <jeroenvrp> anyway
[11:33] <jeroenvrp> how do I get rid of the 'hibernate'-button while I quit KDE?
[11:33] <jeroenvrp> in edgy
 Whenever I put my comp in hibernate (at least on dapper), I end up needing to pull the plug because my system either a) freezes/hangs, or b) doesn't want to startup

[11:36] <jdong|laptop> ryanakca: well, in the end your computer shut off. Hibernate has done its job
[11:37] <kwwii> a very intelligent man once said "you can have some of the thiings, all of times, or...."
[11:37] <kwwii> don't expect it to work and you won't be disappointed
[11:38] <kwwii> :p
[11:38] <Ingmar^> that'sso true ;-)
[11:38] <jeroenvrp> thats why I want get rid of that button
[11:40] <jdong|laptop> :)
[11:40] <jdong|laptop> ryanakca: suspend works fine here on all 3 of my laptops
[11:40] <jdong|laptop> as does hibernate :)
[11:41] <ryanakca> odd... dapper or edgy?
[11:41] <jdong|laptop> more inportantly, ryanakca, give us some hardware specs
[11:41] <jdong|laptop> and both dapper and edgy
[11:41] <jdong|laptop> and breezy
[11:41] <jdong|laptop> and I could ramble off a lot of fedora core releases, too :)
[11:42] <ryanakca> brb... I haven't tested since the most recent kernel upgrade
[11:42] <ryanakca> Sysinfo for 'rkavanagh': Linux 2.6.17-7-386 running KDE 3.5.4, CPU: Pentium III (Coppermine) at 996 MHz (1995 bogomips), HD: 38/186GB, RAM: 350/375MB, 142 proc's, 2.23d up
[11:42] <jdong|laptop> ryanakca: mobo chipset?
[11:43] <ryanakca> it's an IBM NetVista... i810 I think
[11:44] <ryanakca> jdong|laptop: well, the built in video & sound cards say "i810 chipset"... is that mobo or video card? 
[11:44] <Lure> Tonio_: ksmserver patch is ok - tested both suspend/hibernate 
[11:44] <jdong|laptop> ryanakca: typically i1810's are permanently attached to intel motherboards :)
[11:44] <jdong|laptop> ryanakca: but that chipset should be one of the best supported in terms of suspend/resume
[11:46] <ryanakca> jdong|laptop: http://www.dealtime.com/xPF-IBM_NetVista_A40p_6579_6579TAU is what I have, I'll retest it...
[11:56] <ryanakca> jdong|laptop: need I clarify what happened there :)
[11:56] <ryanakca> the old pull the plug trick
[11:57] <jdong|laptop> lol
[11:57] <ryanakca> usb keyboard didn't work, wacom mouse didn't (that I expected), the ps2 mouse that I alwais leave plugged in so my bios stops complaining about a "no pointing device found" didn't, nor did the power on button or sticking a bootable cd into the cdrom drive
[11:58] <ryanakca> I got in, but I couldn't get out...
[11:59] <ryanakca> jdong|laptop: I have a cool iconset if you want to try it out and possibly review it.. 
[11:59] <jdong|laptop> ryanakca: I  don't do much of the reviewing work... nor do I have the authority around here :)
[12:01] <Lure> Tonio_: so this fsfn works for you?
[12:02] <Lure> Tonio_: sladen mentioned /proc/acpi/sony/fn_key, but I do not see this in the code...
[12:08] <Lure> Tonio_: found it - it is /proc/acpi/sony/fnkey