[12:10] <enzo_> same error
[12:10] <enzo_> dpkg -reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:10] <enzo_> ?
[12:10] <lupine_85> probably best
[12:10] <h3sp4wn> try installing nvidia-xconfig
[12:10] <lupine_85> I don't get what's up with these drivers recently
[12:11] <h3sp4wn> it has never failed for me (in my brief stint of using nvidia)
[12:11] <enzo_> do I want nv or nvidia X server driver?
[12:11] <lupine_85> try nvidia first
[12:11] <lupine_85> if that doesn't work, nv
[12:11] <Anna> Is there a German here who can tell me what combination of keys I have to press to get the @ symbol and [] ? I'm getting tired of switching keyboard layout every time...
[12:11] <cpk2> is ati not the hassle it used to be now?
[12:11] <lupine_85> tried #ubuntu-de ?
[12:11] <lupine_85> cpk2: never used ATI
[12:12] <Anna> oh, didn't know there's a ubuntu-de, thanks
[12:12] <cpk2> yeah but h3sp4wn said he hardly uses nvidia so i was curious
[12:12] <h3sp4wn> I am using ati 9250 now (free drivers - don't want a tainted kernel really)
[12:12] <enzo_> h3sp4wn, IT WORKS!!!
[12:12] <lotusleaf> cpk2: probably not as good as nvidia IMO but since the news of AMD acquiring ATI, it should be interesting to see what progresses in the next year
[12:13] <h3sp4wn> enzo_: What did nvidia-xconfig ?
[12:13] <lupine_85> bwahahaha
[12:13] <lupine_85> yes, if AMD get ATi in order, I will be most happy
[12:13] <royal> how do you install Wine off of a jump drive? (gateway linux computer has no internet access... only the windows computer has access and i'm using it)
[12:13] <h3sp4wn> Next machine will probably use intel onboard graphics
[12:13] <lotusleaf> royal: #winehq
[12:13] <cpk2> i've always understood nvidia to be for the gamer and ati to have all those tv out doohickies and whatnot
[12:14] <cpk2> and tv ins
[12:14] <enzo_> ok
[12:14] <royal> k
[12:14] <enzo_> so everything is installed, but not the way I had it
[12:14] <cpk2> well enzo_ that took way longer than it had to i guess hehe
[12:14] <enzo_> no wonder, I'm under root
[12:15] <DralaFi> anyone have the intel 915GM chipset with onboard intel grafix card? any way to increase video memory?
[12:15] <enzo_> well worth the knowledge, I'll say that much
[12:15] <h3sp4wn> DralaFi: The bios
[12:15] <DralaFi> i get no options in the bios
[12:15] <h3sp4wn> No then
[12:15] <DralaFi> it's supposed to be some sort of dynamic shared mem
[12:16] <DralaFi> afaik the windows driver can alloc 8MB to 128MB of system ram as needed.
[12:16] <h3sp4wn> Are you using the free drivers (with the cvs mesa ?)
[12:16] <DralaFi> however it seems in kubuntu, I only ever get 8MB from the card
[12:17] <DralaFi> h3sp4wn, I have no idea. How would I go about checking?
[12:18] <h3sp4wn> DralaFi: Can you specify the amount of video memory explicitly in sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:18] <DralaFi> using I810 driver
[12:19] <draik> Feels good to be back
[12:20] <draik> AND THE SCREENSAVER WORKS!!!!!!!!!!
[12:20] <h3sp4wn> DralaFi: glxinfo | grep direct
[12:20] <draik> h3sp4wn, your advice/suggestion was perfect
[12:20] <DralaFi> can i run that reconfigure xserver-xorg while x is running?
[12:21] <draik> cpk2, lupine_85, thank you for your help
[12:21] <lupine_85> yes, but it won't take effect 'til you restart X
[12:21] <lupine_85> np :)
[12:21] <DralaFi> thanks
[12:21] <draik> lupine_85, maybe not for you, but for me it was
[12:21] <coreymon77> guys
[12:21] <coreymon77> hi
[12:22] <coreymon77> ive tried everything that was said on the sound wiki page on the ubuntu website
[12:22] <coreymon77> nothing has worked
[12:22] <coreymon77> can someone please help me
[12:22] <DralaFi> h3sp4wn, I set VideoRam        65536 but not sure it is doing anything about it
[12:23] <srdjant> h3sp4wn: direct rendering: Yes
[12:24] <coreymon77> can anyone help me please?
[12:24] <DralaFi> coreymon77, what's the problem/
[12:25] <coreymon77> my sound wont work
[12:25] <coreymon77> ive tried everything on the ubuntu wiki site
[12:25] <coreymon77> nothing has worked
[12:25] <jpiccolo> what kind of sound card?
[12:25] <coreymon77> i want sound
[12:25] <DralaFi> so when you use sound, what happens?
[12:25] <coreymon77> sblive
[12:25] <coreymon77> nothing
[12:26] <DralaFi> lsmod | grep emu10k
[12:26] <coreymon77> i have the basic sblive card that comes with dell computers
[12:26] <coreymon77> do i need root for that?
[12:26] <Hawkwind> No
[12:27] <coreymon77> okay
[12:27] <coreymon77> it gave me a bunch of text
[12:27] <coreymon77> now what
[12:27] <Hawkwind> Put it into pastebin
[12:27] <coreymon77> should it work now?
[12:28] <Galathalion> whats a pastebin?
[12:28] <Hawkwind> !paste
[12:28] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[12:28] <DralaFi> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pastebin
[12:29] <Galathalion> i c
[12:29] <DralaTop> ok i'm going to test the gfx memory
[12:29] <DralaTop> also don't i need to tell kernel  mem=<actual size - memory i want for gfx>  ?
[12:30] <coreymon77> okay
[12:30] <coreymon77> its there
[12:30] <DralaTop> coreymon77: you need to paste in here the URL of the paste results
[12:30] <h3sp4wn> DralaFi: I don't think so - I thought that intel graphics were not supported well until edgy (because the free drivers were in and working properly then)
[12:30] <coreymon77> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23379
[12:31] <DralaTop> well i'm totally not sure about this graphics issue...
[12:32] <coreymon77> so?
[12:32] <coreymon77> any clue?
[12:32] <DralaTop> coreymon77: sound should be ok. make sure you unmute all the sound channels and turn up the sound
[12:32] <coreymon77> do you mean
[12:32] <coreymon77> go into kmix
[12:32] <DralaFi> yes
[12:33] <coreymon77> and turn every single dial up?
[12:33] <DralaFi> yes
[12:33] <coreymon77> every dial in the output and input tabs
[12:33] <DralaFi> but also make sure its unmuted
[12:34] <coreymon77> and press the green button
[12:34] <coreymon77> s
[12:34] <coreymon77> in both  tabs
[12:34] <DralaFi> they should be bright green, not dark green
[12:34] <coreymon77> on the output tab
[12:34] <DralaTop> brb
[12:34] <coreymon77> i mean the input tab
[12:34] <coreymon77> there are red buttons too
[12:35] <coreymon77> should i make those bright too?
[12:35] <DralaFi> red = record
[12:35] <DralaFi> not needed
[12:35] <coreymon77> so just turn all the dials up and make sure all green buttons are light
[12:35] <DralaFi> yes
[12:36] <coreymon77> what about on the switches tab
[12:36] <coreymon77> there are yellow and red lights
[12:36] <coreymon77> no dials
[12:37] <coreymon77> should i touch those?
[12:37] <DralaFi> not required
[12:37] <coreymon77> there is a switch that says sblive analog/digital with a yello light on top
[12:37] <coreymon77> turn that on?
[12:38] <DralaFi> no idea
[12:38] <DralaFi> can try
[12:40] <coreymon77> YES!!!!
[12:40] <coreymon77> YES!!!!
[12:40] <coreymon77> YES!!!!
[12:40] <coreymon77> YES!!!!
[12:40] <coreymon77> i have been trying for weeks to get that working
[12:40] <cpk2> no?
[12:40] <coreymon77> thanks alot!
[12:40] <PrinceKid> Hello, i've just now installed Kubuntu. I need a good firewall, any idea ?
[12:40] <Hawkwind> !firewall
[12:40] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed with iptables (in the command line) or firestarter (gui, can also setup connection sharing)
[12:40] <h3sp4wn> PrinceKid: Why do you need a firewall ?
[12:41] <coreymon77> ya
[12:41] <coreymon77> this is linux
[12:41] <cpk2> PrinceKid: you shouldnt need firewall or av
[12:41] <lupine_85> lol
[12:41] <cpk2> unless maybe you are a mail server you might need av to scan mail going through you
[12:41] <coreymon77> its not lioke windoxe where everyhting you do bogs down your comp with viruses and spyware
[12:41] <lupine_85> PrinceKid: if you want a firewall, you'd use iptables
[12:42] <lupine_85> however, ubuntu starts no services by default, so there's not much point
[12:42] <DralaFi> yes but some people run services
[12:42] <PrinceKid> i'm beginner in using Linux.
[12:42] <lotusleaf> and some services run people!
[12:43] <DralaFi> what about hostile *outgoing* connections?
[12:43] <cpk2> lotusleaf: O.o
[12:43] <h3sp4wn> Why would there be hostile outgoing connections ?
[12:43] <DralaFi> trojans, viruses, worms
[12:43] <PrinceKid> So, i don't need firewall to protect my pc ? ...
[12:44] <cpk2> how in the hell would you have a trojan and not notice it
[12:44] <lotusleaf> DralaFi: don't install random .deb files from random websites
[12:44] <lupine_85> DralaFL: there aren't that many for Ubuntu
[12:44] <lupine_85>  /linux
[12:44] <DralaFi> cpk2, rootkit
[12:44] <lupine_85> the occasional rootkit... it's not a big deal
[12:44] <Vanique> ojaciee
[12:44] <lupine_85> unless you're a complete idiot, of course ;)
[12:45] <h3sp4wn> How could a rootkit be installed if your system is upto date - and you don't run X as root - it is highly unlikely
[12:45] <lupine_85> h3sp4wn: .deb files are installed as root...
[12:45] <lupine_85> so malicious .deb files are the most likely route
[12:45] <h3sp4wn> lupine_85: I don't install random .deb files
[12:46] <lupine_85> indeed, but (playing the devil's advocate here), what if someone hax0rs the ubuntu archive servers? ;)
[12:46] <speedghost> selam
[12:46] <speedghost> trk varm
[12:46] <lupine_85> "oooh, there's an update for X..."
[12:46] <cpk2> lets hope you dont use apt-get that day
[12:47] <lupine_85> I'm with h3sp4wn in that it's not really an issue
[12:47] <h3sp4wn> lupine_85: And re adds a new checksum for the dapper archive ? I think it would be noticed before that happened
[12:47] <lupine_85> just something to keep in the back of your mind
[12:47] <lupine_85> I agree, it's unlikely
[12:47] <lotusleaf> there are plenty of unofficial repos
[12:48] <lotusleaf> and many newbies don't know the difference
[12:48] <DralaFi> its easy to have buffer overflows in programs
[12:48] <cpk2> i dont think even the plf could have something that bad happen to them
[12:49] <DralaFi> very easy
[12:49] <Creedence> afternoon everyone....
[12:49] <DralaFi> even talk of insecure wifi drivers in the linux kernel...
[12:49] <lupine_85> DralaFi: yes, but buffer overflows are only relevant if the service is running (which by default they aren't)
[12:49] <DralaFi> kernel is running
[12:50] <DralaFi> what if you have a buffer overflow in the kernel in net/tcp/* code?
[12:50] <lupine_85> and as for insecure wlan drivers - that's cross-platform, and TBH there's not much that can be done atm. We can just be thankful that there aren't any easy exploits around
[12:50] <DralaFi> whoops... you just get a random tcp packet that's crafted with a payload and whoops
[12:50] <lupine_85> DralaFi: the linux tcp stack is well-written
[12:50] <DralaFi> i know
[12:50] <DralaFi> just used as an example :)
[12:50] <lupine_85> any vulnerabilities like that are fixed *very quickly*
[12:51] <lupine_85> too quickly for them to become useful to /some random hacker/
[12:51] <lupine_85> TBH, it could be argued that the firewall is more likely to be exploitable than anything else on a standard ubuntu install
[12:51] <DralaFi> yes but why does my kubuntu use an older kernel?
[12:52] <lupine_85> it doesn't matter
[12:52] <lupine_85> seriously, it doesn't mater
[12:52] <DralaFi> you really need multi-tier security
[12:52] <lupine_85> people still use 2.2.x and it's perfectly secure
[12:52] <DralaFi> yes but for a different reason?
[12:52] <DralaFi> 2.2.x doesn't have new code
[12:52] <Mater> [01:01]  <lupine_85> seriously, it doesn't mater
[12:52] <DralaFi> new code = potential vulnerabilities
[12:53] <lupine_85> so you complain when you get new code, and complain when you get old code...
[12:53] <lupine_85> what's left?
[12:53] <lupine_85> no system is unhackable, in theory
[12:53] <Vanique> NthDegree: alive ?
[12:54] <lupine_85> in practice, a standard ubuntu install is as secure as it needs to be, given the current computer world situation
[12:54] <dcode> is there documentation for netbooting kubuntu installation on ppc?
[12:54] <NthDegree> yes
[12:54] <dcode> all I see on kubuntu.com is for user guides
[12:55] <dcode> can anyone tell me where I can find the documentation for netbooting kubuntu installation?
[12:55] <Vanique> give me tha link to your blog man
[12:55] <Vanique> i lost it
[12:55] <sorush20> but when I try to install the libfam0 package most of other packages are removed for some reason including adept
[12:57] <Telroth_Plushie|> kilrae, doesn't count if it's not 1) turned on nor 2) connected to the internet
[12:57] <kilrae> shucks
[12:57] <dcode> kilrae: it does count if someone can steal the computer
[12:58] <kilrae> how about an empty case?
[12:58] <NthDegree> LMFAO
[12:58] <dcode> umm....well then it can't rightly compute much
[12:58] <dcode> but you could make it your honey pot
[12:58] <dcode> :D
[12:58] <kilrae> i'll string some abacus beads through it
[12:58] <dcode> lol
[12:58] <kilrae> it's actually a liquor cabinet
[12:58] <dcode> bonus
[12:59] <kilrae> i store small bottles in the drive bays
[12:59] <chris449> hi, my wireless card doesnt' work. It's a belkin 802.11g F5D7000, and is supposed to work on the madwifi drivers. atm it's disabled because it causes ubuntu boot to hang on "configuring network devices" if enabled. The suggestion on the madwifi site is to reinstall linux-restriced-modules. But this would mean deleting the nvidia drivers in the process, and i'm using xgl. what should i do to get my wireless working?
[01:00] <grout_> does automatix work with kubuntu or just ubuntu?
[01:00] <lupine_85> automatix doesn't work with anything ;)
[01:01] <grout_> well does easy ubuntu work with kubuntu?
[01:01] <Telroth_Plushie|> grout_, ubuntu is the same as kubuntu, except for the default packages
[01:01] <Telroth_Plushie|> they work find together
[01:01] <Telroth_Plushie|> *fine
[01:01] <grout_> ok thanks
[01:02] <Telroth_Plushie|> kubuntu has KDE packages installed, ubuntu has gnome installed
[01:02] <Telroth_Plushie|> other than that, they are the same
[01:03] <imbrandon> heya sorush20 ;)
[01:03] <sorush20> imbrandon: i'm there..
[01:04] <sorush20> hi so why does installation of libfam0 try to remove a hell of a lot of other packages including adept etc.. ?
[01:04] <sorush20> that is compeletely dumb
[01:04] <imbrandon> grout_, yes easyubuntu support kubuntu
[01:04] <imbrandon> sorush20, it shouldent
[01:05] <imbrandon> sorush20, just install the -dev packages the other will get installed when you install the amarok deb if needed
[01:05] <obf213> !root > obf213
[01:05] <imbrandon> sorush20, want the fast track to compile it with the options you want ?
[01:05] <imbrandon> ( i can cut alot of the steps out for you )
[01:06] <obf213> i am confused about root. i tried to set up my pritner using the local host it asked my the root user and password, being as i have one user i enterd my username and password and it said i dont have priveledges
[01:06] <obf213> do i have to set up some other account?
[01:06] <sorush20> imbrandon: yes it possible.. I'm just trying to contrib back by a back trace for my problem..
[01:06] <imbrandon> obf213, it askes you hte user password
[01:06] <sorush20> here is what I get
[01:06] <sorush20> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23382
[01:07] <sorush20> the same for the fam package
[01:07] <imbrandon> no no
[01:07] <imbrandon> dont do that
[01:07] <imbrandon> i said libfam0
[01:08] <imbrandon> what is your probelm for a backtrace ?
[01:08] <sorush20> imbrandon: see for your self http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23383
[01:08] <imbrandon> ok dont do that either then
[01:09] <sorush20> just that crossfade with a usb device gives xine can not find driver on song change.. alsa
[01:09] <obf213> do you have to set up a cups account somehow?
[01:09] <imbrandon> meet me in #imbrandon , i'll help you compile it the correct way to fix that
[01:09] <Telroth_Plushie|> obf213, no
[01:09] <imbrandon> obf213, no
[01:10] <obf213> i guess you have to now
[01:10] <swamptu> i was messing with xgl/compiz and now i get "KDEInit could not launch 'cgwd'.:" at startup.....how do i make that go away?
[01:11] <Telroth_Plushie|> obf213, no, you don't
[01:12] <obf213> im trying to delete a printerl it asks me for a my user name and password for CUPS ast localhost.631
[01:12] <obf213> i put in my user name and passowerd, adn it just prompts me again.
[01:14] <Telroth_Plushie|> obf213, did you click the "adminstrator mode" button at the bottom ?
[01:14] <obf213> its a web interface
[01:14] <obf213> it must be different then
[01:15] <Creedence> obf213 I think you need to be root to run CUPS from localhost:631
[01:16] <Creedence> try going to system settings -> printers
[01:16] <Creedence> then you will have the admin button
[01:16] <tpelton> hi all
[01:16] <tpelton> wondering if anyone knows
[01:16] <Creedence> hey there
[01:16] <tpelton> when i install linux-k7-smp kernel
[01:16] <tpelton> then nvidia-glx
[01:16] <tpelton> driver only works
[01:17] <tpelton> with one of the two bootable kernels
[01:17] <jpiccolo> i would i see what is keeping me from unmounting a cd
[01:17] <tpelton> the "earlier" one
[01:17] <jpiccolo> how*
[01:17] <tpelton> any thoughts ?
[01:17] <tpelton> seems like it only installs the modules
[01:17] <tpelton> for one of the kernels
[01:19] <tpelton> any thoughts ?
[01:20] <naegling23> has anyone had any luck with libmtp?
[01:20] <tpelton> anyone have any thoughts on nvidia-glx and multiple kernels ?
[01:21] <Creedence> tpelton, I have to be honest... I can't get it to work on one kernal!
[01:21] <cpk2> you can have as many kernels as you want
[01:21] <tpelton> creedence, ok ... drat
[01:21] <tpelton> yeah
[01:21] <tpelton> i install linux-k7-smp
[01:21] <cpk2> its actually better to have about 2 other ones besides the one you are using
[01:21] <cpk2> just incase something bad happens
[01:21] <tpelton> this brings down (2) kernels
[01:21] <tpelton> so far, so good
[01:22] <tpelton> but nvidia-glx
[01:22] <tpelton> only works for one of them
[01:22] <tpelton> the "earlier" one
[01:22] <tpelton> i want to run the "older" one, because presumable, it has patches
[01:23] <excitatory> i don't suppose anyone know where to get an aotuv oggenc deb?  i'm having a very hard time compiling it myself.
[01:24] <tpelton> argh ... i can't find anything about this issue on the 'net or on forums
[01:24] <tpelton> kind of annoying
[01:24] <tpelton> oh well
[01:26] <obf213> wht does it mean when something cant open pidfile
[01:26] <obf213> can't open or create /var/run/hplip/hpiod.pid: No such file or directory io/hpiod/hpiod.cpp 195
[01:27] <obf213> what does that mean
[01:27] <host-one> 
[01:28] <tpelton> .pid files are usually files that store the process if of something
[01:28] <obf213> ok.
[01:28] <obf213> so i typed in a command and it send that error
[01:28] <BonBonTheJon> what command
[01:28] <obf213> and i checked that file is missing, any ideas as to how i get it, if adept says i have the packet
[01:28] <obf213> hpiod
[01:28] <tpelton> so for instance, a "thing" can store it's own pid when it starts, and then "kill" itself with the pid
[01:29] <obf213> tpelton, so would the /var/run/ file exist it the printer was on or something
[01:30] <Feclar> Hi, I am trying to install Kubuntu however during the install process I can not load the X server (even in safe video mode) because it is out of sync, and I can not edit xorg.conf because its on a Cd
[01:33] <swamptu> are you using alternate install cd or livecd?
[01:34] <swamptu> if you are using livecd try using the alternate install cd
[01:35] <Feclar> livecd
[01:35] <Feclar> k
[01:35] <Feclar> thanks
[01:41] <grout__> i got a folder shared in windows on my network. how can I access it through kubuntu?
[01:42] <Hawkwind> grout__: Samba is one way
[01:42] <trappist> and all other ways use samba :)
[01:42] <Hawkwind> Heh true
[01:42] <grout__> how do i use samba?
[01:43] <trappist> I just install smbfs and make an entry for the share in /etc/fstab, but I'm pretty sure there's a nice gui way to do it
[01:43] <coreymon77> whats a good kubuntu program for converting mp3 to wav?
[01:44] <DralaFi> mpg123, mplayer, xmms with disk output plugin  etc
[01:44] <DralaFi> nite nite
[01:44] <grout__> anyone know of a gui way to use samba?
[01:44] <trappist> coreymon77: maybe mp3-decoder foo.mp3 --wav foo.wav
[01:45] <grout__> anyone know of a nice gui way to use samba?
[01:45] <trappist> grout__: if they didn't know 60 seconds ago, they probably don't now.  try poking around in the menu a bit, or wait a while longer and ask again
[01:46] <apol> grout__: smb4k worked just fine
[01:46] <apol> there is a long time ago since I used samba for last time
[01:46] <steveire> http://scipy.org/Installing_SciPy/Linux <<< Is it just me or do the atlas packages mentioned near the bottom of that page not exist?
[01:47] <grout__> thanks
[01:47] <coreymon77> no worries
[01:47] <coreymon77> i found something on apt
[01:47] <coreymon77> soundkonverter
[01:47] <apol> steveire: have you updated?
[01:47] <steveire> yes.
[01:48] <steveire> there are packages with similar names.
[01:48] <apol> op
[01:49] <wanderson> algue ta usando o edgy?
[01:49] <steveire> apol: op?
[01:50] <apol> steveire: ok
[01:50] <apol> steveire: I can find them all
[01:50] <apol> :S
[01:50] <apol> !pt
[01:50] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[01:50] <steveire> really?
[01:50] <apol> yes
[01:50] <apol> the atlas-* ones at least
[01:51] <apol> perhaps you need to include universe
[01:51] <wanderson> blz, desculpe
[01:51] <steveire> atlas-sse3-dev <<< I have atlas3-sse-dev and atlas3-sse2-dev, but not that one
[01:51] <apol> yes that's true
[01:52] <apol> but sse2 might be good enough for you
[01:52] <danny500> How do I play a .rar music type?
[01:52] <apol> danny500: .rar is not a music type
[01:52] <danny500> what is it?
[01:52] <steveire> ah, so you can't find them all, but you can find packages with similar names?
[01:52] <apol> danny500: youre right
[01:52] <danny500> ???
[01:52] <apol> !rar
[01:52] <ubotu> rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free
[01:53] <apol> which similar names? what do you mean?
[01:53] <coreymon77> why not just use the linux version of winrar
[01:53] <danny500> I'm downloading a music soundtrack and it's in the .rar file type.
[01:54] <apol> look at it
[01:54] <apol> !rar
[01:54] <ubotu> rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free
[01:54] <danny500> ok thanks
[01:54] <apol> its a compression format
[01:54] <apol> theyre all packed in
[01:54] <danny500> how do I unpack it?
[01:55] <Hawkwind> danny500: Use unrar
[01:56] <oscar_> where the fuck is here???
[01:56] <[GuS] > oscar_, ?
[01:56] <Riddell> !language
[01:56] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[01:56] <oscar_> Is somebody otside???
[01:56] <oscar_> Anyway, nodoby is talking
[01:56] <obf213> i keep getting this  error when i try to set up my printer
[01:56] <obf213> Unable to create the Foomatic driver [HP-PSC_1510,hpijs] . Either that driver does not exist, or you don't have the required
[01:56] <oscar_> I don't see any "fmily" chating
[01:57] <obf213> i have hpijs installed
[01:57] <Kr4t05> oscar_: try using a vowel or two, and we might be able to understand you.
[01:58] <Riddell> obf213: dapper or edgy?
[01:58] <danny500> watch your language,I'm 3 years old and I don't like your poop mouf. lol
[01:58] <danny500> hahahahahahaha
[01:58] <oscar_> Yeah right
[01:58] <oscar_> Mustta be a genious
[01:58] <jmichaelx> i am wanting to increase the resolution on my monitor  to 1280 x 1024, but in the display systems settings, the highest i can select is 1024 x 768.... do i need to reconfigure xserver-xorg to fix this?
[01:58] <danny500> genious all the way
[01:58] <danny500> no really I'm 17
[01:58] <oscar_> Did i asked you??
[01:59] <danny500> Watch your language you motherfuck!
[01:59] <danny500> lol
[01:59] <Hawkwind> danny500: Please stop
[01:59] <danny500> ok sorry
[01:59] <oscar_> Guess who's talking about the manners
[01:59] <Kr4t05> /mode #kubuntu +m
[01:59] <jmichaelx> you guys are aiming to get banned, if you don't quit that
[01:59] <Kr4t05> oscar_, too. :)
[02:00] <oscar_> Wow, nice chat
[02:00] <Riddell> jmichaelx: means your monitor has only reported it can do 1024, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg may help
[02:00] <Hawkwind> Ash-Fox: Hah!  That bites when it's something so simple like that
[02:01] <jmichaelx> ty Riddell
[02:01] <oscar_> SO simple
[02:01] <BluesKaj> jmichaelx, perhaps a video driver upgrade is in order if yer running an intel MOBO ...we ahd a guy here yesterday with that very problem
[02:01] <oscar_> THat's why WIndows ROcks
[02:01] <Kr4t05> Troll.
[02:01] <oscar_> Win XP
[02:01] <Ash-Fox> Hawkwind, yeah, and the best thing was, iwconfig kept telling me there were no errors at all. Including with passwords, so.. :P
[02:01] <Kr4t05> Flame bait.
[02:01] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: i have an old ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage Pro AGP 1X/ 2X (rev 5c)
[02:02] <Kr4t05> Man, I love that handy /ignore command. :)
[02:02] <oscar_> Me too, how can i ignore you???
[02:02] <coreymon77> oscar
[02:02] <coreymon77> get out of this channel
[02:02] <coreymon77> now
[02:02] <BluesKaj> frglx  driver , jmichaelx
[02:02] <BluesKaj> ?
[02:02] <oscar_> I won't
[02:03] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: you think that is the driver i may need? i would like to be more sure about it before i try...
[02:03] <coreymon77> somebody kick him for saying that
[02:03] <coreymon77> this is a kubuntu linux channel
[02:03] <jmichaelx> i poked around a little bit in the forums, but have not yet seen anything
[02:03] <coreymon77> not an i love windows channel
[02:03] <Ash-Fox> There are windows channels on freenode?
[02:03] <CVirus> who cares
[02:03] <draik> yea
[02:03] <coreymon77> i mean windoze
[02:03] <Kr4t05> coreymon77: Unfortunately, he's well in his right to blab about Windows, as long as he isn't hurting anyone.
[02:04] <oscar_> Nobody is talking about I LOVE KUBUNTU
[02:04] <sorush20> imbrandon: it dosen't work sorry..
[02:04] <sorush20> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23388
[02:04] <coreymon77> so
[02:04] <coreymon77> its still a linux channel
[02:04] <coreymon77> meh
[02:04] <coreymon77> ill just ignore him
[02:04] <oscar_> Please
[02:04] <draik> Wait wait wait... WAIT... this isn't Windoze Lovers Anonymous... Darn
[02:04] <coreymon77> lol
[02:04] <_blu3ray> i connect to kubuntu from real vnc ver 4 thru the remote desktop sharing but load goes wild and whole sytem gets laggy
[02:04] <oscar_> That's the only thing u can talk
[02:04] <BluesKaj> go into systems settings/display/adminmode/hardware/config and the drop down list may have driver listed for your ATI card
[02:05] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: i'll give it a look
[02:05] <Ash-Fox> _blu3ray, why don't you just stick with.. vnc only.
[02:06] <_blu3ray> is there a problem with default desktop sahring?
[02:06] <_blu3ray> sharing
[02:06] <draik> We're starting a wave... sweet!!!
[02:06] <_blu3ray> i have a 3 gig cpu with 1 gig mem
[02:06] <oscar_> Goodbye honeymon
[02:06] <_blu3ray> and can barly open a terminal window
[02:07] <oscar_> Now, coreymon has shown his low tolerance attitude
[02:07] <coreymon77> everyone do the wave!
[02:07] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: i do not see frglx on the list...
[02:07] <draik> Neolithium, you're going to have fun with Kubuntu
[02:07] <sorush20> I keep getting an error when I try to install libfam-dev package I get a brocken package
[02:07] <Neolithium> Definately :)
[02:07] <_blu3ray> xorg and krfb take up all cpu just by connecting
[02:07] <draik> If you ever need help with something, you can be sure at least one person will be here to help you
[02:08] <Neolithium> I started with FC5, after I realised that kinda sucked, went through gentoo, Mandriva, Suse, Slackware, FreeBSD....and all in the last 2 weeks.
[02:08] <BluesKaj> jmichaelx, there's a generic ATI driver you DL atheir site for Linux
[02:08] <draik> I am on my 3rd install of Kubuntu
[02:08] <BluesKaj> if want to try it
[02:08] <draik> #1 was FUBAR when I was playing with all options at once
[02:08] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: does that differ from the ati driver that k/ubuntu installs?
[02:08] <Ash-Fox> playing with all the options at once? what options?
[02:08] <Neolithium> I noticed, when I first tried it; there was lots less system lag
[02:09] <draik> #2 I messed up while backing up for more HDD space (20GB to 120GB)
[02:09] <BluesKaj> yes jmichaelx, i think it is
[02:09] <Neolithium> SUSE, no matter what, kinda was a little slow; even though I disabled tons of services that I didn't use; pulled all useless programs off....
[02:09] <oscar_> COreymoon needs a life
[02:09] <jmichaelx> hmmm
[02:09] <kutan> Which package should I download so I can play AVI on Kaffeine?
[02:09] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: i am scared of borking this system....   lemme look at the ATI site...
[02:10] <Neolithium> Yast definately sucks, It's been admitted it's still basically a beta program.  the bulk of suse users still use SMART
[02:10] <kutan> Anyone?
[02:10] <lupine_85> apt-rpm + adept might have made SuSE more usable
[02:10] <Neolithium> Novell is aiming to have it fixed up nicely by 10.3 or so....
[02:10] <draik> kutan, 'apt-cache search' is your friend... but I'll look right now
[02:10] <BluesKaj> I was searching for one for my ATI xpress 200 but the best one is the fglrx
[02:10] <Neolithium> Not to mention, JESUS was Kubuntu a quick install
[02:11] <lupine_85> I left before I got round to it :)
[02:11] <coreymon77> who?\
[02:11] <Neolithium> Plus it recognized ALL of my hardware. Even my MMC card
[02:11] <Neolithium> er, card reader
[02:11] <kutan> Thanks draik, cause I'm about to go to bed and I want to put somethin on for someone
[02:11] <draik> do you have the w32codecs?
[02:11] <kutan> uh
[02:11] <kutan> Suppose not
[02:11] <draik> try that
[02:12] <draik> !mp3
[02:12] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:12] <draik> kutan: restricted formats, first link
[02:13] <Neolithium> If you have the backports enabled on sources, you should be able to search and install win32
[02:13] <Riddell> !
[02:14] <Riddell> Neolithium: w32codecs isn't in any ubuntu archive
[02:14] <coreymon77> and was then told nice one by someone
[02:14] <Riddell> coreymon77: that's unhelpful
[02:14] <Neolithium> Riddell, didn't they used to be in backports?
[02:14] <coreymon77> i know
[02:14] <coreymon77> but it was fun
[02:14] <Neolithium> maybe that was somewhere else I saw that....
[02:14] <Riddell> Neolithium: no
[02:14] <draik> kutan, did you go to that link?
[02:14] <BluesKaj> some ppl are happy with windows , they're just not as adventurous as ppl who migrate from windows to linux :)
[02:15] <draik> scroll down and follow the instructions for windows codecs
[02:15] <Neolithium> Oh wait, now I remember
[02:15] <Neolithium> Here's the instructions for whoever needs it:
[02:15] <Neolithium> wget -c http://packages.freecontrib.org/ubuntu/plf/pool/dapper/non-free/w32codecs_20060611-1plf1_i386.deb
[02:15] <Neolithium> sudo dpkg -i w32codecs_20060611-1plf1_i386.deb
[02:15] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: i am thinking this video card may be too old for the propietary driver...
[02:15] <Ash-Fox> I'm unhappy with windows, I couldn't even get decent graphics acceleration on it :(
[02:16] <coreymon77> ash-fox: then go to the windows channel and laugh at them
[02:16] <Ash-Fox> What windows channel?
[02:17] <h3sp4wn> coreymon77: You do realise that most of the people in that channel also (maybe even mostly) use unix
[02:17] <coreymon77> ##windows
[02:17] <coreymon77> thats why someone said nice one
[02:17] <Neolithium> Insulting doesn't help promote Linux though; makes us look petty
[02:17] <coreymon77> im gonna go do it again
[02:18] <BluesKaj> well the frglx driver is a very wide ranging one. It covers alot of ATI cards
[02:18] <coreymon77> does anyone want to watch
[02:18] <draik> Neolithium, that's a nice way to put it
[02:18] <coreymon77> im telling them they should use kubuntu
[02:18] <kutan> Mmkay done, thanks a bunch draik. :\
[02:18] <kutan> See ya all
[02:19] <Neolithium> Well, it is true. Most people fear linux from the outdated idea that it's not user friendly and only command line.  to be honest, it took me a while to try it out, but then, I got hooked.  I swear someone put telepathic herioin in the MD5 sums
[02:19] <coreymon77> anyone
[02:19] <coreymon77> last call
[02:19] <h3sp4wn> jmichaelx: If you can get 3d acceleration with 'radeon' instead of fglrx then it is best to do so
[02:19] <BluesKaj> i looked in my ATI driver list but didn't see your card list , jmichaelx..so i don't know what else to tell you...maybe one of our more knowledgable ppl here can help ! :)
[02:19] <draik> last call for what?
[02:20] <coreymon77> watching me do funny stuff in the windoze channel then leave the cahnnel quickly
[02:20] <seth> coreymon77, that's not a good way to represent kubuntu
[02:20] <draik> nope
[02:20] <draik> use another name :p
[02:20] <seth> please take your off-topic chat to another channel, not the support channel
[02:20] <seth> thanks
[02:21] <Neolithium> Many a forum I've been in on discussion where windows users say that microsoft has massive amounts of revenue from software sales; but they end up being silent when we make them realize that the ONLY thing keeping MS afloat, is it's volume licensing with manufacturers.
[02:21] <draik> not your name, I meant the OS
[02:21] <BluesKaj> ahh... h3sp4wn to the rescue :)
[02:21] <h3sp4wn> jmichaelx: you need to do sudo aptitude purge fglrx~i  first
[02:21] <h3sp4wn> jmichaelx: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (select radeon (or ati which should load radeon by a wrapper))
[02:22] <BluesKaj> h3sp4wn , i don't think he's using that driver
[02:22] <coreymon77> okay
[02:22] <h3sp4wn> < jmichaelx> BluesKaj: i am thinking this video card may be too old for the propietary driver... (so I am helping him try the other one)
[02:22] <coreymon77> im doing it now
[02:22] <draik> coreymon77 doing what???
[02:22] <BluesKaj> good h3sp4wn  :)
[02:23] <coreymon77> playing around in the channel
[02:24] <coreymon77> anyone want to watch
[02:24] <Neolithium> No; that's just...pitiful, really
[02:24] <seth> coreymon77, last chance to take your off-topic chat to another channel, please. Thank you.
[02:24] <jmichaelx> i will give them a try, h3sp4wn,,, although the card ia already using 'ati'
[02:24] <Neolithium> Almost as dumb as running into a Fedora channel and saying their distro sucks. It's just disrespectful, petty, and....well, for lack of a better term, childish
[02:25] <h3sp4wn> jmichaelx: If you have any part of fglrx installed then it will stop 3d working with ati or radeon
[02:26] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: i have not tried to install fglrx at any time
[02:27] <h3sp4wn> jmichaelx: lspci -nn | grep ATI (run that)
[02:27] <jmichaelx> i just changed the resolution setting in xserver-xorg, so i am going to restart...
[02:27] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: ok, will do
[02:27] <h3sp4wn> jmichaelx: I should be able to tell you from the chipset whether you need fglrx or not (unless its an obscure one)
[02:27] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: ok, it said nothing when i entered that command
[02:28] <jmichaelx> Sysinfo for 'kubuntu2': Linux 2.6.15-26-686 running KDE 3.5.4, CPU: PentiumIII(Katmai) at 498 MHz (998 bogomips), , RAM: 345/376MB, 107 proc's, 1.4d up
[02:28] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: i don't know if that was what you wanted or not
[02:28] <draik> 500MHz???
[02:28] <jmichaelx> yup
[02:28] <draik> how's it run?
[02:28] <h3sp4wn> jmichaelx: lspci -nn (run that and tell me the line with vga controller in it)
[02:28] <jmichaelx> kubuntu dapper runs great on this PC
[02:29] <Neolithium> It's linux dude. Specializes in lower end systems :)  completely ROCKS on the higher end :)
[02:29] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: how do i know which line that is?
[02:30] <Neolithium> It should say VGA, etc; monitor related stuff
[02:30] <h3sp4wn> it will contain vga or VGA
[02:30] <draik> Neolithium, I am have a REALLY FUN TIME with my set up
[02:30] <BluesKaj> yeah , my AMD 3200+ 2ghz cpu & 1Gig RAM runs it very nicely for a midrange pc
[02:30] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: nothing mentions VGA
[02:31] <h3sp4wn> jmichaelx: pastebin the full output (if you can be bothered)
[02:31] <Neolithium> draik, I'm still waiting to build my franken box...once I get the cash; I just turned my averatec laptop for now, into my linux box. And thanks to Kubuntu; it's running GREAT
[02:31] <tony_> hey THC
[02:31] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: it's me bothering you ! lol i will be happy to paste-bin the output
[02:31] <draik> Neolithium, I wasn't sure what I was trying to say... either "I am having.." or "I have..."
[02:32] <tony_> anyone know how to make fonts look better in kubuntu? Isn't there some kind of program for that?
[02:32] <Neolithium> draik, Both work :)
[02:32] <draik> except for the grammar
[02:32] <draik> Neolithium, I spent $2300 USD on the desktop I have now
[02:32] <Neolithium> draik, Bah, I gave up grammar when I dropped out of High School ;)
[02:32] <coreymon77> !botsnack
[02:32] <ubotu> Yum!
[02:33] <draik> we can feed ubotu???
[02:33] <coreymon77> yup
[02:33] <draik> sweet
[02:33] <lupine_85> !bot3coursemeal
[02:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bot3coursemeal - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:33] <lupine_85> bah
[02:33] <coreymon77> that doesnt work
[02:33] <draik> !botsnack
[02:33] <ubotu> Yum!
[02:33] <seth> please don't abuse the bot
[02:33] <coreymon77> stop
[02:33] <seth> feel free to /msg it if you want to play :)
[02:33] <coreymon77> you are gonna make ubotu fat
[02:33] <draik> Just feeding it is abusing?
[02:34] <draik> fatbot???
[02:34] <seth> it spams the channel, draik
[02:34] <draik> oic, sorry seth
[02:34] <Neolithium> draik, That's nice man :)  I'm just on disability since I was discharged from the Army; so once I save a few cheques; the computer is gonna pwn all :)
[02:34] <seth> no worries
[02:34] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23391
[02:34] <Frederick> folks how do I set kubuntu to have the option to create a zip when I right click a file?
[02:35] <draik> Neolithium, my desktop was originally my class final in college... biuld the ultimate desktop, but it has to be the ultimate for your needs
[02:35] <draik> so I went with Gaming and just well rounded fast
[02:35] <draik> Sysinfo for 'Lair': Linux 2.6.15-26-686 running KDE 3.5.4, CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.20GHz at 3216 MHz (6432 bogomips), HD: 295/535GB, RAM: 3012/3031MB, 106 proc's, 2.18h up
[02:35] <Neolithium> Daaaaamn, that's nice :)
[02:35] <jmichaelx> draik: that is quite the machine....
[02:35] <h3sp4wn> jmichaelx: that output is strange are you sure you ran it with -nn not -n (try just lspci if that does not work)
[02:36] <Neolithium> I'm still bare minimum cause of my laptop restrictions
[02:36] <draik> WTF??? Since when did I switch to 3.5.4???
[02:36] <coreymon77> go to the channel #debian-bots to play with all of the debian distro bots
[02:36] <Neolithium> probably the last upgrade
[02:36] <draik> Thank you jmichaelx... and it's 3 years old
[02:36] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: it was nn
[02:36] <draik> took me about 3 months to complete... using all my paychecks for parts
[02:37] <Neolithium> That's the best box....home built
[02:37] <draik> mosdef
[02:37] <h3sp4wn> jmichaelx: Maybe the version I am using is newer (from edgy) - just run lspci with no arguments - tell me the line with ati in it
[02:37] <draik> Neolithium, I have LinuxJournal magazines sent to my house... there was an issue to building the best desktop, server, etc
[02:37] <draik> I was pretty close
[02:37] <draik> for the desktop
[02:37] <Neolithium> Sweet :)
[02:38] <BluesKaj> gamerz ...that all those fast powerful macines are good for ...except as servers may be :)
[02:38] <draik> Next on my list is going from 256MB to 512MB or even 1GB video
[02:38] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage Pro AGP 1X/2X (rev 5c)
[02:39] <leser> hi @ll
[02:39] <draik> Speaking of RAM, I have 4GB, dual-channel, but I think that I have a bad bank or something because it only registers 3GB
[02:39] <jmichaelx> * likes older systems with moderate amounts of EAM
[02:39] <jmichaelx> RAM*
[02:39] <grout> how can i get xmms to prompt me for a password on .htaccess sites?
[02:39] <h3sp4wn> jmichaelx: I would try forcing  - Driver          "radeon"
[02:40] <Neolithium> I was going to upgrade my ram; but there's no point since my swap is still untouched.  My other box that I want to build; will have the need, but not this one
[02:40] <draik> jmichaelx, I have a bunch of old RAM sitting here on my desk...
[02:40] <h3sp4wn> jmichaelx: That card is far too old for fglrx
[02:40] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: ok, i am nervous about this, but i'll give it a try....
[02:40] <jmichaelx> draik: can i buy it?
[02:40] <jmichaelx> :-D
[02:40] <draik> How about I just give it to you... I have no use for it
[02:40] <h3sp4wn> jmichaelx: make a backup first and then if it doesn't work just copy it back
[02:40] <draik> I just pulled them from the systems in my graveyard
[02:40] <jmichaelx> draik: i'll take all the SDRAM i can get,,,
[02:41] <draik> graveyard = my backyard full of gutted computers
[02:41] <jmichaelx> or DDR
[02:41] <Neolithium> *laughs* I already got dibs on a friends' computer who calls it useless. Little do they know, I only want their cool case; the rest is trash
[02:41] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: i could also just reconfigure xserver-xorg , could i not?
[02:41] <jmichaelx> draik: you need my address? :-D
[02:42] <jmichaelx> am i still connected?
[02:42] <cod> jmichaelx, is the card not working at all?
[02:42] <Neolithium> God I ///hate/// when people download torrents and don't seed after they have the file....
[02:43] <draik> On the side I have my own business... repairing PCs... one dude had a PC that everyone said was as good as a cadaver/paperweight... That this is up and running as good as his newer winxp desktop. He thinks I'm $DEITY...
[02:43] <jmichaelx> cod: it is at this point
[02:43] <cod> jmichaelx, lemme guess... no 3d?
[02:43] <draik> sorry jmichaelx, in between a few things...
[02:44] <jmichaelx> hey i have one more issue.... every once in a while a proggy tries to load on this OC called 'HTTP cache cleaner'... but it never loads and i cannot get it to quit. what is this?
[02:44] <jmichaelx> PC*
[02:44] <h3sp4wn> jmichaelx: Are you sure that direct rendering is not working ?
[02:45] <Neolithium> Why would you need a cache cleaning program? Most Linux browsers can do that from the preferences or options menu....
[02:45] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: i am going to reboot, as i changed the resolution in xserver-xorg.... after i restart i will change the driver, so i am only changing one thing at a time...
[02:45] <Neolithium> You can even set them to clear the cache when you exit the browser
[02:45] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: i don't think it is...
[02:46] <jmichaelx> Neolithium: i have not installed any cach cleaning proggies...
[02:46] <BluesKaj> heh, i was running debian on an old 233mhz 128mbram , with 6gig HDD for a while ... a bit slow but fun just the same :)
[02:46] <Neolithium> Hmmmm, I'd just enable it auto on your browser, then you shouldn't have any freezing problems...
[02:47] <jmichaelx> weird
[02:50] <grout> how can i make apps start at startup?
[02:50] <obf213> im getting this error
[02:50] <obf213> Unable to create the Foomatic driver [HP-PSC_1510,hpijs] . Either that driver does not exist, or you don't have the required, and i have hpjis installed
[02:50] <obf213> in dapper
[02:50] <trappist> grout: put a script or a .desktop file in ~/.kde/Autostart
[02:52] <CVirus> Ash-Fox: kprinter
[02:52] <Ash-Fox> I don't want it, but if I remove it, I can't keep some base meta packages
[02:52] <Ash-Fox> Which screws things up when you do a distro update. :/
[02:53] <BluesKaj> obf213, what printer ?
[02:53] <obf213> BluesKaj its an HP PSC 1510
[02:53] <wry> Hey dudes. i'm havin trouble extracting a rar file
[02:53] <Ash-Fox> !unrar
[02:53] <ubotu> rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free
[02:53] <CVirus> wry: sudo apt-get install unrar
[02:53] <wry> I've installed unrar-free, but ark still don't like it
[02:54] <lupine_85> unrar-free doesn't work with many newer archives
[02:54] <Neolithium> wry, you can find stuff at the ubuntu page, or if you want, install winrar for linux (free) at http://www.rarlab.com
[02:54] <lupine_85> free but not Free :(
[02:54] <obf213> BluesKaj yesterday i had HP drivers now it cant seem to find them
[02:55] <wry> what's the dif btween free and Free?
[02:55] <Neolithium> I haven't had a problem with anything from RARlab
[02:55] <lupine_85> free is as in beer, Free is as in freedom
[02:55] <BluesKaj> yeah HP printer drivers seem to be faulty ...I fooled around for 3 mos before i could get my network (windows) printer to work
[02:55] <trappist> wry: the 'unrar' package should work
[02:55] <stahnma> #exit
[02:55] <trappist> wry: I don't know if ark handles it, but "unrar x filename.rar" ought to do it
[02:56] <CVirus> wry: ark handles it dont worry
[02:56] <trappist> there you go
[02:56] <CVirus> wry: just sudo apt-get install unrar
[02:56] <BluesKaj> you prolly already committed your printer drivers for the system
[02:57] <obf213> BluesKaj now no drivers slash printrs are even showing for me to choose drivers for after i reinstalled hpjis
[02:57] <Ash-Fox> You know... If I script anymore stuff in /etc/networks/interface, it will become selfaware.
[02:57] <obf213> hpijs*
[02:57] <BluesKaj> made the hpijs the default driver
[02:57] <Ash-Fox> Ubuntu really needs a decent network interface manager :P
[02:57] <obf213> BluesKaj, are you saying because i reinstalled it i need to some how make it the default driver?
[02:58] <wry> Before I came here the unrar package was claimin that it would either break another process or the server was down, and yeah I'd removed non free.
[02:58] <BluesKaj> no, it already is
[02:58] <wry> I guess it was just down... thanks for your magic touch guys!
[02:59] <BluesKaj> now you may have to remove the printer completely a la windows and reinstall
[02:59] <obf213> BluesKaj, this is local
[02:59] <obf213> straightusb
[02:59] <BluesKaj> yup, no difference
[02:59] <obf213> i didnt install anything with windows
[03:00] <BluesKaj> no I'm saying you may have to reinstall just like one would in windows
[03:00] <obf213> ah
[03:01] <BluesKaj> remove the drivers ...that's what I did to make mine work
[03:01] <obf213> hrm yesterday i had the drivers
[03:02] <obf213> ill fiddle arouand somemore
[03:03] <lupine_85> System Settings->Networking works here :)
[03:03] <BluesKaj> evryone usually finds a way to make it work ...when you do, please share your experince with us here
[03:04] <wry> what's the go with wine these days? I've installed it on each of the disto's I've tried recently (before settling with Kubuntu.. I think). Ubuntu, and mepis that is.
[03:05] <wry> Nothin seems to happen and theres no obvious way to config it... once upon a time it had a gui setup interface. So whats the go now?
[03:06] <lupine_85> wry: winecfg
[03:06] <lupine_85> installed with wine
[03:06] <wry> cheers lupine
[03:07] <lupine_85> np
[03:07] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: i installed the radeon driver... but thus far , i am not sure if anything has changed. should i try to reconfigure x again to see if i can now change the resolution?
[03:07] <obf213> any ideasa as to wht i did to kde print to have no printers show up from me to choose from?
[03:08] <BluesKaj> yeah , whynot , jmichaelx
[03:08] <jmichaelx> k
[03:10] <shadowhywind> hay question for you all, i need to update my alsa, any ideas on how to upgrade
[03:10] <shadowhywind> if i just compiled my own version of alsa would that break anything?
[03:12] <shadowhywind> any ideas?
[03:12] <BluesKaj> dunno , i just use system settings /systen services /adminmode
[03:12] <jmichaelx> ok, i will restart again.... brb
[03:16] <terwilliger> anybody know why I can't upgrade amarok on dapper? What gets broken?
[03:16] <draik> your feelings?
[03:19] <BluesKaj> amarok update and the dependencies can be found at www.imbrandon.com
[03:21] <BluesKaj> he was kind enuff to help me get the upgrade to amarok 1.4.3 yesterday
[03:21] <BluesKaj> he has some repos that you copy and paste to the sources list on that site
[03:23] <obf213> yeah so i rebooted and the kde wizard still showed no drivers
[03:23] <BluesKaj> try system settings
[03:24] <obf213> ??
[03:25] <terwilliger> BluesKaj: thanks! I'll check there
[03:25] <obf213> i go system setting->printers->administartion mode->add new printers->it finds the pritner on usb->select printer(run into problem because it no longer loads list)
[03:26] <BluesKaj> weird
[03:27] <coreymon77> who owns the ubugtu bot?
[03:27] <obf213> all i did was reinstall the hp drivers list because at first it showed me the lsit i selected the printer but it couoldnt load driver, now there is no list at all
[03:30] <ceruleantiger> hi, I was just wondering, is there any way to import all of my settings, skins, etc... to another kde box?
[03:30] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: ok, i have radeon installed.... still cannot increase the resolution. do i have any other options?
[03:31] <ceruleantiger> I just set up a new computer, and it will be a real pain to configure everything to exactly my old computer... (I had tons of custom keybindings, skins, etc... all set through kde apps)
[03:31] <yuriy> kformula in kword beta -- :(
[03:32] <coreymon77> anyone know who ubugtus owner is>
[03:32] <Eeyore_Jr> i have a big problem
[03:32] <Eeyore_Jr> i just used adept manager to remove libxin something thinking it was related to xine
[03:32] <Eeyore_Jr> it appears to be removing konq, kdm, etc.
[03:32] <labkom> what your problem
[03:32] <Eeyore_Jr> it stopped at kdm prompting with a yes/no, so i think i can kill adept
[03:32] <Eeyore_Jr> how do i recover?, as it appears it removed adept
[03:32] <labkom> helooo.........................
[03:33] <ceruleantiger> hi labkom
[03:33] <lupine_85> Eeyore_Jr: in a terminal you want to sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[03:33] <lupine_85> that'll bring all the packages back
[03:33] <labkom> i am sory i can't understand...i don't know
[03:34] <lupine_85> ceruleantiger: copying your entire ~ might do it
[03:34] <Eeyore_Jr> should i kill adept manager or leave it hanging?
[03:35] <tony_> my system won't go any louder. can someone help? kmixer is maxed and i have a 5.1 creative system
[03:35] <Admiral_Chicago> tony_, did you check alsamxer?
[03:35] <Admiral_Chicago> alsamixer*
[03:35] <tony_> how do i do that?
[03:35] <labkom> not yet
[03:36] <Admiral_Chicago> in your konsole, type alsamixer
[03:36] <Eeyore_Jr> labkom: ack, already did
[03:36] <Admiral_Chicago> brb
[03:36] <labkom> i don't know
[03:36] <Eeyore_Jr> anyhow, looks like your suggestion is working
[03:37] <labkom> not yet
[03:37] <labkom> I am sory, i can't help u
[03:38] <labkom> hello rynakca
[03:38] <ceruleantiger> when you do scp, is there any way to tell it to skip the file it's currently downloading?
[03:39] <Eeyore_Jr> well, i am operating again :-)
[03:46] <rcmn> >
[03:47] <ceruleantiger> you know, copying the .kde folder worked! It worked!!! thanks a lot lupine_85
[03:47] <ceruleantiger> that just saved me like a week of config time :)
[03:48] <obf213> has anyone in her setup their pritner over the local host
[03:49] <obf213> since kdeprint just stopped working on me that they only way i think i can do it
[03:50] <Erich-K> Does anyone know if there is a foobar for linux?
[03:53] <BluesKaj> never understood what foobar is ...thot it was a  mp3 player :)
[03:55] <Erich-K> It plays loads of different sound files
[03:57] <Riddell> sangers: why?
[03:57] <soulrider> hi everyone
[03:57] <BluesKaj> sangers, you'll regret it
[03:57] <sangers> Maybe sarge will be  less buggy for me
[03:58] <obf213> anybody used the local host to set up their printer, and know how the whole passwrood thing is supposed to work
[03:59] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: you out there?
[03:59] <obf213> i keep on failing authentication for some reason
[03:59] <jamadagni> hello
[03:59] <jamadagni> can anyone help me here with local repos?
[04:00] <jmichaelx> hey BluesKaj, i found something interesting...... in Xorg.0.log, i see that it says 'insufficent memory' several times in reference to 1280x1024 resoltuion.... would that be how much memory my PC has? or how much video RAM?
[04:01] <firesuite> is there a tutorial anywhere on how to obtain root ?
[04:01] <__mikem> sudo passwd root
[04:01] <BluesKaj> prolly video
[04:01] <firesuite> easy as that huh :)
[04:01] <__mikem> yess
[04:01] <BluesKaj> http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic ..repositories here
[04:02] <firesuite> thanks man
[04:02] <__mikem> firesuite why do you need root access?
[04:02] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: i wonder how i would adjest the video ram? is there a limit to how much i can allot for video?
[04:02] <BluesKaj> sorry jmichaelx, dunno :(
[04:02] <firesuite> i dont, i just want to know it because i should :)
[04:03] <firesuite> i wont be silly with it promise
[04:03] <__mikem> ok, just remember sudo is your friend, su is not
[04:04] <firesuite> yea thanks.. i seemed to remember needing it to install quake 3 some time ago. could be wrong though..
[04:04] <__mikem> its posible
[04:07] <garface> im having trouble installing the latest nvidia drivers for amd64, went to thier site and downloaded driver, but when i went to install it an error occured, any ideas?
[04:13] <jmichaelx> does anyone know how to adjust the video RAM??
[04:14] <JFreakCapo> hello everybody, anybody can suggest to me some app to burn DVDs please...
[04:14] <draik> JFreakCapo, I'm using k9Copy with k3b
[04:15] <draik> I'm actually using it right now
[04:15] <draik> it runs really well for DVD backup
[04:15] <Hawkwind> JFreakCapo: Depends on the type of DVD actually
[04:15] <draik> true
[04:15] <JFreakCapo> thks i gonna try it
[04:15] <draik> movies, k9copy
[04:15] <draik> data, k3b
[04:15] <Hawkwind> JFreakCapo: If you mean movie DVD's, then k9copy.  If want data, k3b
[04:16] <Hawkwind> JFreakCapo: Be forewarned, k9copy doesn't just direct copy DVD's though.  It shrinks them down from a dual layer sized DVD to fit onto a single layer DVD then it burns it
[04:16] <pierreth> remember, I told you about a bug in Thunderbird with an icon...
[04:16] <JFreakCapo> in my repositories don't have k9copy do you have a repository ?
[04:16] <draik> Hawkwind, you can avoid that if you want to
[04:16] <Hawkwind> !info k9copy
[04:16] <ubotu> k9copy: DVD backup tool for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.2-0ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 288 kB, installed size 1060 kB
[04:16] <pierreth> Well, for no reason, the icon is now back
[04:17] <Hawkwind> draik: Sure you can, but that was what it was meant for
[04:17] <pierreth> no restart of the application
[04:17] <draik> It won't do it for me though, that's what I'm saying
[04:17] <Hawkwind> JFreakCapo: It's in universe so you need to enable it
[04:17] <Hawkwind> draik: Won't do what ?
[04:17] <JFreakCapo> ahh ok, thks
[04:17] <draik> shrink the DL to SL
[04:17] <pierreth> the bug is just gone
[04:17] <pierreth> graft: ?
[04:17] <Hawkwind> draik: Wow, that's the reason it was made and it works perfectly here
[04:18] <draik> I have issues with it and dvdauthor
[04:18] <draik> I can't have autoburn enabled or else it doesn't work
[04:18] <draik> but that's fine
[04:18] <draik> I guess I like it the way it is now
[04:20] <wayne__> what is the cpmmand to change the restricted software?
[04:20] <wayne__> command
[04:20] <intelikey> about half the time when i start kde x doesn't have a keyboard.  that is to say the keyboard is not read by kde or any app started in kde...   it's an (AT) keyboard and xorg.conf says { Driver          "kbd" --   Option          "XkbRules"      "xorg" --  Option          "XkbModel"      "pc104" --  Option          "XkbLayout"     "us" } so it must be a bug  ?
[04:21] <garface> what does it mean when i try to use glxgears to test my 3d acceleration and i get this error,  Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual
[04:22] <jmichaelx> intelikey: would you happen to know how to change the amount of video RAM?
[04:22] <garface> nope
[04:22] <firesuite> ive heard mixed reports about Automatix, would anyone here recommend installing this thing?
[04:23] <intelikey> jmichaelx sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:23] <jmichaelx> ok thnx
 i have installed k9copy but isn't in my menu, where is ?
[04:23] <patrick_> How can i make Umlauts and ess-tests on linux?
[04:24] <Healot> set your keyboard to German or install German language support
[04:24] <Healot> I guess either way works
[04:25] <wayne__> what is the command ti edit my repository
[04:25] <intelikey> wayne__ sudo apt-setup   ?
[04:25] <intelikey> no sudo apt-config
 have i to check the option "burn with k3b" to burn the dvd or leave unchek ?
[04:28] <intelikey> i thought it was setup.... wayne__ anyway you can edit by hand if you know how.  sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:28] <intelikey> !repos > wayne__
[04:29] <patrick_> i set my layout to german
[04:29] <patrick_> now how to i make the Umlaut?
[04:30] <intelikey> aptconf - Debconf infrastructure for setting up apt sources
[04:30] <thomas_> Grub question, am I supposed to be able to use the cp command inside the grub prompt?  I made a floppy with grub, but can't cp the files to the new /boot partition...  can anybody help me with this?
[04:30] <intelikey> aptitude-doc-fr - French manual for aptitude, a terminal-based apt frontend
[04:30] <intelikey> aptsh - apt interactive shell
[04:30] <obf213> abattoir: i just got it all set up
[04:31] <abattoir> obf213: what did you do?
[04:31] <abattoir> obf213: as i said earlier, i'd expect it to work out of the box
[04:31] <obf213> yeah it shoulda. i dunno wht the problemo was
[04:31] <intelikey> apt-howto - example-based guide to APT
[04:31] <obf213> i jsut had to reinstall like 90million packages but its all good
[04:32] <abattoir> obf213: anyways, as long as it works :)
[04:32] <abattoir> ...its good
[04:39] <BigIron> What is the best window manager?
[04:39] <Creedence> kde
[04:39] <lupine_85> compiz :)
[04:39] <robotgeek> BigIron: wrong channel to ask question :)
[04:40] <BigIron> In its self ,with no other packages?
[04:40] <intelikey> ok i've isolated the problem.   it's in the auto-login process  it seems that if a kde session is started while another tty is in focus, that x never grabs the keyboard input.   it doesn't affect sessions started while the tty running x is in focus.
[04:41] <intelikey> best ???    ! start a wm war.
[04:42] <obf213> how do i find out howmuch of my hdd is used up?
[04:42] <robotgeek> obf213: df -kh
[04:42] <omar> Hi everybody
[04:42] <intelikey> kh ?
[04:43] <intelikey> isn't that contridictory ?
[04:43] <obf213> it worked
[04:43] <omar> do you know, what can I do?. I have a web cam, but I don't have the drivers
[04:43] <omar> is a little one, Deluxe
[04:43] <intelikey> h=human readable    k=in units of 1k
[04:43] <omar> what can i do in order to use it?
[04:44] <Admiral_Chicago> is there a mathmatica equivelent ofr linux?
[04:44] <intelikey> i have no idea what "mathmatica" is,  anything like bc ?
[04:45] <Admiral_Chicago> look it up. its real cool
[04:46] <BigIron> I have lost the ablity to configure my log in window
[04:46] <intelikey> no thinks, i'm not interested.  and i don't do windows.
[04:46] <omar> Hey guys pls, I gotta a real cute girl who wanna share video
[04:46] <omar> how to configure my web cam
[04:47] <thomas_> Grub question, am I supposed to be able to use the cp command inside the grub prompt?  I made a floppy with grub, but can't cp the files to the new /boot partition...  can anybody help me with this?
[04:47] <draik> LOL
[04:47] <Healot> hehe
[04:47] <robotgeek> lol
[04:47] <BigIron> I thought another package may restore it so I can change it.
[04:47] <Admiral_Chicago> intelikey, i don't do windows eithre thats why I want a FOSS altrenatiwe
[04:47] <Admiral_Chicago> ROFL
[04:47] <abattoir> omar: we are jealous, so we wont help you out :-\
[04:47] <beemonk> lol
[04:47] <casey_> funny, yet totally true..
[04:47] <omar> hehe
[04:47] <abattoir> !webcam
[04:47] <ubotu> webcam is now easy to install on Linux; instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[04:47] <omar> I will give you the mail
[04:48] <abattoir> omar: ^^^ read those first
[04:48] <abattoir> omar: no thanks :), was just kidding
[04:48] <flaccid_> !sound
[04:48] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure alsa is selected by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (Alsa Mixer). If you are still having problems with sound, then look at http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems
[04:48] <intelikey> well i'm not jealous.  i just don't know anything about vidio cameras
[04:48] <casey_> same.
[04:48] <flaccid_>  If you're having problems with sound, first ensure alsa is selected by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (Alsa Mixer). <------ i don't believe this exists
[04:48] <omar> I will read, and be back, thanks
[04:49] <abattoir> flaccid_: i think this entry is gnome-oriented... let me check it out...
[04:49] <flaccid_> thanks abattoir
[04:49] <omar> by the way, what's the best office for linux
[04:49] <warpzone> hey guys, any word when ktorrent 2.02 is going to hit the repos?
[04:49] <omar> koffice doesn't open everything
[04:50] <draik> Whoa! Creedence, tht's a messed up story... Goes to show that you should pay attention and do your homework!!!
[04:50] <Galathalion> can somebody please help me install flashplayer in mozilla?
[04:50] <flaccid_> !flash
[04:50] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:50] <draik> !flash
[04:50] <warpzone> galathalion: have you checked the unoffical stater guide?
[04:50] <robotgeek> how about the official help?
[04:51] <draik> robotgeek, I didn't know there was any
[04:51] <warpzone> galathalion: i just follow their instructions to the letter, works every time
[04:51] <warpzone> though until 9 comes out, its pretty disappointing
[04:51] <draik> yup
[04:51] <robotgeek> draik: Kmenu -> Help
[04:51] <abattoir> flaccid_: try alsamixer in the command line
[04:52] <Galathalion> ok ill try
[04:52] <Galathalion> thanks
[04:52] <warpzone> if you're addicted to flash stuff may need to do FF in wine :( :( but I've never used wine so dunno how well that works
[04:52] <draik> robotgeek, I try !<keyword> or google
[04:52] <omar> I don't like flash since is not open
[04:52] <flaccid_> abattoir: there is no device selecting function i can eee
[04:52] <flaccid_> abattoir: can we update the bot entry to be kubuntu friendly
[04:53] <abattoir> flaccid_: yes, work is proceeding on that front... i'll add this to that list
[04:53] <flaccid_> legend abattoir
[04:53] <abattoir> flaccid_: w.r.t kmix, i think a combobox shows up when you have more than one device
[04:53] <abattoir> flaccid_: so you can choose b/w the devices that you want to control
[04:53] <abattoir> huh? :P
[04:54] <flaccid_> just saying that you are a legend
[04:54] <intelikey> speeking of "alsamixer"  i'm missing a device node in /dev/snd/  i think.  my alsamixer wont open.
[04:54] <flaccid_> but you can select the hardware device, not alsa?
[04:54] <Creed205> http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/09/13/montreal.shooting/index.html
[04:54] <intelikey> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[04:54] <Creed205> night all
[04:54] <Creed205> I gotta get to bed
[04:54] <Galathalion> didnt help much :<
[04:54] <warpzone> adios
[04:54] <intelikey> howto make the missing device ?
[04:54] <abattoir> flaccid_: it is alsa by default...
[04:54] <flaccid_> how to use dpkg or similar to list files provided by an installed package?
[04:54] <flaccid_> abattoir: sweet
[04:54] <abattoir> flaccid_: check kcontrol->Sound and audio for more info
[04:55] <intelikey> flaccid_ dpkg -L package
[04:55] <abattoir> ...'Sound and Multimedia' rather
[04:55] <Galathalion> i downloaded the macromedia flash-thingy and installed it but it still dont work
[04:55] <flaccid_> thanks y0
[04:55] <intelikey>            howto make the missing device ?
[04:56] <flaccid_> abattoir: yeah but thats kde sound system only
[04:56] <abattoir> flaccid_: click on the Hardware tab
[04:56] <warpzone> Galathalion: not work how? its only flash 7 so most you'll get is some vid, no sound
[04:56] <flaccid_> abattoir: yeah but thats if you have the kde sound system on
[04:56] <Galathalion> warpzone: mozilla says i dont have it installed
[04:57] <flaccid_> i turn it off coz there is no need for it
[04:57] <abattoir> flaccid_: it is alsa by default, i'm pretty sure of that... what problems are you having?
[04:57] <flaccid_> no problems abattoir :)
[04:57] <warpzone> galathalion: which guide did you follow?
[04:57] <Healot> !info firefox
[04:57] <ubotu> firefox: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.5-0ubuntu6.06.1 (dapper), package size 7730 kB, installed size 22912 kB
[04:57] <BluesKaj> ok Im at the dir i want to install ...forgotten the install command ! doh
[04:58] <abattoir> BluesKaj:  a deb?
[04:58] <Healot> 1.5.05?
[04:58] <flaccid_> i guess there is no native alsa admin frontend in kde yet
[04:58] <Galathalion> warpzone: http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash
[04:58] <BluesKaj> tar gz2
[04:58] <Galathalion> :>
[04:58] <Healot> hum always slow in updating official repos :)
[04:58] <abattoir> BluesKaj: ./configure first, then make and sudo make install
[04:58] <BluesKaj> already extracted to it's dir
[04:58] <abattoir> BluesKaj: unless it has something like install.sh(like the last time)
[04:58] <intelikey> "firefox: lightweight web browser"  heh  i checked on installing ff and apt said "need to get 93m of archives"  lol
[04:58] <warpzone> galathalion: ooo man no screw that, here's how to use the ones from the repository:
[04:59] <abattoir> BluesKaj: see if there is a file called 'configure'
[04:59] <BluesKaj> no, tried that
[04:59] <BluesKaj> ok  abattoir , hang on
[04:59] <warpzone> galathalion: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper
[05:00] <Healot>  is distributing livdvdcss2 outside US or EU legal?
[05:00] <warpzone> look for flash, it'll have instructions to follow
[05:00] <Galathalion> warpzone: thank you
[05:00] <Healot> libdvdcss2
[05:00] <abattoir> Healot: i guess it depends on the country
[05:00] <warpzone> Galathalion: not a prob man, im just recently started so i have a lot of probs as well :-P
[05:00] <Dr_Willis> I agree with abattoir
[05:00] <BluesKaj> no i don't see one abattoir..it's quicktime4linux-2.2
[05:01] <Healot> well; my country has no clear law on software reverse-engineering;
[05:01] <BluesKaj> maybe in adept
[05:01] <abattoir> BluesKaj: there generally is an INSTALL or a README file... see what it says
[05:01] <Galathalion> warpzone: dudette, if u dont mind :>
[05:01] <BluesKaj> too many files
[05:02] <Dr_Willis> the dcss stuff was only part reverse engineering. or so i recall.
[05:02] <warpzone> galathalion: ooo linux chick, well mad props :-P just got my gf switched over
[05:03] <flaccid_> does anyone here use an icecast source client that captures the live audio from the soundcard eg. ices0 ices2 darkice etc. ??
[05:03] <Galathalion> warpzone: sweet.. :D
[05:03] <robotgeek> flaccid_: streamtuner/streamripper
[05:04] <flaccid_> robotgeek: w0a cool i havnt heard of that one
[05:04] <intelikey> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device     ---   anyone ?
[05:04] <Galathalion> warpzone: found out i allredy got the plugin, but when i wrote sudo update-flashplugin i got automatic installation failed due to network problems or upstream changes :<<
[05:05] <flaccid_> robotgeek: they are not source clients
[05:05] <warpzone>  galathalion: ooo man don't know anything about that :( :(
[05:05] <intelikey> i think it's sound card specific maybe ?    like modprobe should have made the device when it inserted the module for my sound card, but didn't  ?
[05:05] <BluesKaj> abattoir, heres the readme  :   http://pastebin.ca/169681
[05:06] <Galathalion> warpzone: ok.. thanks anyways
[05:06] <warpzone> galthalion: try starting from scratch again? maybe remove the stuff you got from adobe
[05:06] <Healot> is re-mastering of ubuntu iso allowed? i mean adding some packages with unclear licensing/legal status like dvdcss?
[05:06] <warpzone> galathalion: np, sorry i cant be more help
[05:06] <omar> halle again
[05:06] <BluesKaj> shhhh Healot... it ain't legal , but it can be done :)
[05:06] <omar> the pages you gave me are fine, but they are not for the brand of my web cam
[05:06] <abattoir> BluesKaj: do you have libmpeg3 too ?
[05:07] <omar> is there another way to install it
[05:07] <Galathalion> warpzone: its ok :>
[05:07] <abattoir> Healot: i think its allowed
[05:07] <Galathalion> warpzone: nice of u to sow interest
[05:07] <warpzone> :)
[05:07] <BluesKaj> dunno , thot it was included
[05:07] <abattoir> BluesKaj: you'd need that too
[05:07] <BluesKaj> ok
[05:07] <robotgeek> flaccid_: meaning?
[05:07] <abattoir> BluesKaj: as the file says, they should reside next to each other in the same folder
[05:07] <Healot> well, as long as i don't do it in the US or EU?
[05:08] <intelikey> Healot no    re-read the gnu-gpl   you can't add propritary software to gnu without them providing permission.
[05:08] <Healot> aha
[05:08] <flaccid_> robotgeek: i was looking for source clients, not a browser and a ripper
[05:08] <abattoir> BluesKaj: as the file says, run 'make' in the mpeg dir. then comeback to this dir and run 'make'
[05:08] <Healot> yeah; GPL... but keeping it separate like the ubuntu official did is okay huh?
[05:09] <robotgeek> flaccid_: meaning, you want to setup a server?
[05:09] <abattoir> BluesKaj: and then 'make util'
[05:09] <draik> k3b won't burn 4.5GB on a 4.7GB DVD. How can I let it go over the "barrier"?
[05:09] <intelikey> the reason being, every thing that falls under the gun-gpl has to be open source.   if you add pps it becomes oss according to the gpl
[05:10] <intelikey> and that without permission will lead to coart cases.
[05:10] <BluesKaj> hang on abattoir , i'm looking for the libmpeg3
[05:10] <flaccid_> robotgeek: a source client is the process that sends your stream/broadcast to the icecast server
[05:11] <intelikey> as long as you can keep it totally seperate from the gnu-gpl  and under the propriters terms. then you're kewl
[05:11] <Healot> intelikey: what will happen if Fraun - the MPEG patent holder ask for licensing fee...?
[05:11] <robotgeek> flaccid_: okay, and how does that help?
[05:12] <Healot> should we stop distributing some like libxine-extracodecs?
[05:12] <intelikey> like i said in the last post. "under the propriters terms."
[05:12] <robotgeek> flaccid_: i mean, what purpose does it serve, actually
[05:12] <intelikey> Healot probably should.
[05:12] <Healot> but I can always keep a personal copy of this remastered CD right; hehe
[05:13] <intelikey> for youre own use. yes.
[05:13] <flaccid_> robotgeek: it provides the icecast server with the stream source
[05:14] <Healot> i don't really  like the Fed chasing me :)
[05:14] <robotgeek> okay, i am not exactly sure how all that works, sorry flaccid_
[05:14] <draik> anyone here getting 404 on the updates from  http://packages.freecontrib.org dapper/non-free Packages
[05:14] <draik> ?
[05:14] <Dr_Willis> ive never even seen a 4.7 gb dvd..  they a new thing out?
[05:14] <intelikey> Healot who does?
[05:14] <Healot> no one; hehe
[05:14] <abattoir> Dr_Willis: heh, are yo j/k  ?
[05:14] <abattoir> *you
[05:14] <beemonk> Dr_Willis : thats what im using dot dot dot
[05:14] <flaccid_> heh
[05:15] <flaccid_> how can i add OSS support to my system ?
[05:15] <Dr_Willis> all mine are 4.4 gb as far as i kn.w
[05:15] <BluesKaj> abattoir, libmpeg3-1 is available in adept
[05:15] <draik> 4.5<4.7, but I can't seem to burn... or even let it go over the barrier
[05:15] <Healot> I guess I can give the CD copies to friends only, as long as I make no profit out of it
[05:15] <flaccid_> !oss
[05:15] <intelikey> flaccid_ prolly modprobe snd-oss
[05:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about oss - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:15] <BluesKaj> not installed
[05:15] <Dr_Willis> or is that just the 'actual size of the stuff ya can put on. vs what the disk says' :P
[05:15] <abattoir> BluesKaj: but from what i understand, you need the source to build the quick time stuff
[05:15] <Trae> aww man
[05:16] <Dr_Willis> or have i been shorting myself out of a few 100mb on each disk since i use k3b.
[05:16] <draik> Dr_Willis, true
[05:16] <abattoir> BluesKaj: why do you need that quick time stuff btw?
[05:16] <Trae> my laptop Volume keys don't work like they did in Gnome
[05:16] <Dr_Willis> or is everyone ELSE confused. :P
[05:16] <Trae> :(
[05:16] <flaccid_> intelikey: returns FATAL: Module snd_oss not found
[05:16] <intelikey> flaccid_ so i got the name wrong.   search for it.
[05:16] <BluesKaj> dunno, thot it would be nice to have since so much video is being done in it recently \
[05:17] <Trae> on my HP laptop, in gnome, I pressed the -(volume)+  keys and/or the Mute key... and it would pop up an on-screen display and adjust sound as necessary
[05:17] <intelikey> it's there
[05:17] <draik> Dr_Willis, no way to overburn an extra 100MB?
[05:17] <Trae> (in Ubuntu)
[05:17] <abattoir> BluesKaj: get w32codecs, it has qt support too
[05:17] <Trae> that seems either broken or not implemented in Kubuntu
[05:17] <abattoir> *QT
[05:17] <Dr_Willis> draik,  ive never even noticed or seen the sizes beng over 4.4 gb. even under windows..
[05:17] <BluesKaj> yeah got em
[05:17] <royal> ok where can I get the deb file that enables mp3 support? (I can't acess the internet, but just give the repo list anyway)
[05:17] <flaccid_> intelikey: search where
[05:17] <Dr_Willis> draik,  i always thouhg it was silly rounding of the #'s as to why they differ.
[05:17] <abattoir> Trae: that has been fixed w/ the upcoming release
[05:17] <Trae> abattoir: ahhh sweet
[05:17] <Trae> abattoir: nm then
[05:18] <Trae> ;)
[05:18] <draik> I just want to burn this DVD. I've done it before, but not letting me now
[05:18] <Trae> abattoir: edgy right?
[05:18] <abattoir> Trae: i think for now, you can try changing your keyboard model in kcontrol
[05:18] <abattoir> Trae: yes
[05:18] <Dr_Willis> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD_recordable
[05:18] <Trae> abattoir: cool.. thanks for the heads up.
[05:18] <BluesKaj> abattoir, it getting late ...I'll try  again tomorrow ...getting tired now :)
[05:18] <intelikey> flaccid_ maybe snd-seq-oss  or  snd-pcm-oss
[05:18] <Dr_Willis> A DVD advertised as 4.7 GB may seem to hold less than that because manufacturers quote the capacity of a writable DVD disc using decimal prefixes rather than the binary prefixes used by some software.
[05:18] <BluesKaj> nite folks
[05:18] <flaccid_> intelikey: would it be from lsmod?
[05:18] <abattoir> Trae: Kcontrol->Regional and Acc..->Keyboard Layout->Keyboard Model
[05:18] <abattoir> BluesKaj: ok, good night
[05:19] <Dr_Willis> This can be confusing. While a 4.7 GB DVD can store 4.7 billion bytes [4,700,000,000 bytes  1000 b/kB = 4,700,000 kB  1000 kB/MB = 4,700 MB  1000 MB/GB = 4.7 GB] , using binary prefixes the same capacity is roughly 4.38 GiB
[05:19] <royal> where can I get the deb file that enables mp3 support? (I can't acess the internet, but just give the repo list anyway plus a download for the deb file)
[05:19] <flaccid_> intelikey: i have these from lsmod: | snd_pcm_oss            56448  0 | snd_mixer_oss          20544  3 snd_pcm_oss
[05:19] <abattoir> royal: libxine-extracodecs
[05:19] <abattoir> royal: search in packages.ubuntu.com
[05:19] <intelikey> or flaccid_ then you have oss support
[05:19] <draik> just read that Dr_Willis... no way of fitting it then, huh?
[05:20] <Dr_Willis> draik,  i dont think its EVER been possible.. :P you may be confused..
[05:20] <abattoir> royal: and get libmad0 too
[05:20] <flaccid_> intelikey: is there any physical way to test it?
[05:20] <abattoir> royal: also make sure you download the necessary dependencies
[05:20] <Dr_Willis> k3b is using the 'binary prefix' method I think.
[05:21] <draik> I have the copies at a friend's house.. they play...
[05:21] <draik> how can k9Copy shrink the DVD?
[05:21] <draik> Maybe I didn't do it right
[05:21] <Dr_Willis> you refering to a Video DVD?
[05:21] <draik> yup
[05:21] <intelikey> flaccid_ you do know that  lsmod==list modules   rmmod==remove module   insmod==insert module    and modprobe does all the above.
[05:21] <intelikey> err testing oss  hmmmmm
[05:21] <Dr_Willis> a comercial video dvd can be dual layer.
[05:21] <intelikey> let me see
[05:21] <draik> this is single
[05:21] <Dr_Willis> prove it. :P
[05:22] <royal> where?
[05:22] <Dr_Willis> dd it to a file. heh.
[05:22] <flaccid_> yeah
[05:22] <draik> dd?
[05:22] <Kyral> dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/path/to/iso
[05:22] <royal> these are all mpeg files? I thought Mpeg was a movie file?
[05:22] <intelikey> flaccid_ i don't know.  you'll have to get a guier roo to answer that one.
[05:23] <flaccid_> thanks for your help intelikey
[05:23] <intelikey> np
[05:23] <richie_> ubuntu/linux noobe here. need to know how to access su in terminal. ubuntu just doesnt seem to like it. is there a different command or something?
[05:24] <Kyral> !root
[05:24] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[05:24] <abattoir> richie_: try sudo instead
[05:24] <richie_> thanks
[05:24] <abattoir> richie_: there is no root user account by default in ubuntu...
[05:24] <flaccid_> i thought there was just no password on the root account
[05:24] <abattoir> richie_: instead, the normal user gains root privs. using sudo(and supplying the normal user's password)
[05:25] <Dr_Willis> logging in as root directly is disabled by default.
[05:25] <intelikey> richie_ the root password is locked in a default *buntu system.   if you don't like that you can change it.  but they will scold me for telling you how.
[05:25] <abattoir> yes, my mistake.. there is a root a/c but locked.
[05:25] <Dr_Willis> and if you knew enough linux.. you would know - how to do it.. :P
[05:25] <richie_> lol its cool. i should be able to use sudo...
[05:25] <Dr_Willis> untill you gain the exp to do so.. heh.. stick with sudo
[05:26] <robotgeek> sudo make me a sandwich
[05:27] <intelikey> Dr_Willis that assumes the inquisitor is unfamilear with linux in general  not just new to sudo...
[05:27] <Dr_Willis> No one expects the spanish inquisition!
[05:27] <Dr_Willis> :)
[05:28] <intelikey> maybe a linux one ?
[05:31] <intelikey> so does anyone know what might point me in the right dirrection to fix this  "alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device"  ?
[05:32] <ironfroggy> is it possible to use run Windows programs as X Clients connecting to a remote X server?
[05:32] <Dr_Willis> sounds like its looking for the wrong /dev/ device.. or your sound card modules are not loaded right.
[05:32] <Trae> I'd like to get Yakuake to start at start-up when I log in to KDE... how would I go about that?
[05:33] <Dr_Willis> ironfroggy,  not that i have ever seen
[05:33] <Dr_Willis> ironfroggy,  vnc is handy for a similer task however -  it shares the whole desktop.
[05:33] <robotgeek> Trae: the easiest way is to use session manager
[05:33] <ironfroggy> hmm.. im looking into a setup where i would run games on a seperate box but with remote windows onto my linux boxes.
[05:34] <Trae> robotgeek: where is that located please?
[05:34] <ironfroggy> wine, im learning, doesnt work for _anything_ i try
[05:34] <intelikey> Dr_Willis yes it's looking for a control device in /dev/snd/   the dir is empty  i made it but modprobe didn't put anything in it when it inserted my soundcard module
[05:34] <draik> Goodnight everyone. I'm outta here.
[05:34] <robotgeek> Trae: System Setings -> User i think. you can check for directions in the Desktop Guide, System -> help
[05:35] <Dr_Willis> if modprobe dident put the stuff in there. Hmm.. you sure you loaded the right module?
[05:35] <intelikey> Dr_Willis yes sound works fine.   just cant use alsamixer to control it
[05:35] <ironfroggy> i havent gotten a single game to run on wine, but none of the install programs have had so much as a hiccup.
[05:35] <Trae> Don't seem to have a "System Settings"
[05:36] <Trae> oh
[05:36] <Trae> sorry
[05:36] <Dr_Willis> intelikey,  thats... odd
[05:37] <intelikey> Dr_Willis could i get you to msg me the output of   ls -l /dev/snd     i'll see if your devices are compatable
[05:37] <Dr_Willis> intelikey,  i got a lot of devices in thee.. got me a Audigy 2zs sound card.
[05:37] <intelikey> no
[05:38] <intelikey> flood protection is still on.
[05:38] <Dr_Willis> lol
[05:39] <intelikey> ok try it
[05:39] <omar> guys how to uninstall koffice
[05:41] <intelikey> ok  "controlC0" is first and "timer" is last ?
[05:41] <robotgeek> omar: from adept?
[05:41] <omar> is not there really
[05:41] <Dr_Willis> intelikey,  i got the expansion bay. and more inputs and outputs then I know what to do with - on this card. :P
[05:42] <robotgeek> omar: dpkg -l | grep koffice, and paste in pastebin
[05:42] <Dr_Willis> timer is the last entry.
[05:42] <Dr_Willis> odd how the  116,  0   #'s dont follow in a row.
[05:43] <intelikey> yeah  i'm testing the primaries 116 0    116 1      and 116 33     that should be all this card has
[05:43] <Dr_Willis> thats rather.. hard core. :P
[05:43] <Dr_Willis> lol
[05:44] <intelikey> yeah   so ?
[05:44] <intelikey> :)
[05:44] <omar> robotgeek: I's not working
[05:45] <robotgeek> omar: are you sure you have koffice installed?
[05:46] <omar> I am using it, but i need to open some files and I t can specially presenter
[05:48] <robotgeek> omar: you must definetly have it installed, try looking harder.
[05:49] <omar> you are right, I wrote this sudo apt-get remove koffice
[05:49] <omar> and it told me that koffice is not installed
[05:49] <omar> that's weird 'cos I am using it
[05:49] <Homer> is koffice as good as openoffice
[05:49] <Homer> never used it before
[05:49] <omar> is not good for me
[05:50] <omar> 'cos I have some old files
[05:50] <omar> and it cannot open 'em
[05:50] <omar> however openoffice is too slow fo my machine, I really need another office
[05:50] <omar> which one is better?
[05:51] <firesuite> anyone use automatix?
[05:52] <robotgeek> you might try http://kubuntu.org/announcements/koffice-16beta1.php Koffice 1.6 beta1 omar
[05:52] <omar> I use easyubuntu
[05:52] <omar> almost the same
[05:52] <omar> that's mine
[05:52] <robotgeek> !automatix
[05:52] <ubotu> automatix is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://www.getautomatix.com/ ; For help with and discussion of automatix please join #automatix.
[05:52] <omar> I download it some days ago
[05:55] <intelikey> ooops modem reset
[05:55] <intelikey> Dr_Willis you'll be pleased to know that fixed it.
[05:55] <intelikey> ty.
[05:56] <Dr_Willis> The Humanity!
[05:56] <Dr_Willis> how did you break it in the first place?
[05:56] <Dr_Willis> :P
[05:56] <intelikey> i installed ubuntu
[05:56] <intelikey> :)
[05:56] <Dr_Willis> You dident RTFM did ya! ;P
[05:57] <Dr_Willis> Would you like your plums pickled?  - Pickled Plums a Favorite in Japan.
[05:57] <intelikey> actually i installed ubuntu hoary  on /dev/sda with no swap then upgraded to dapper in one step ....(the list goes on)... and now it's fixed.
[05:58] <Dr_Willis> Ive herad of a lot of upgrade/nosound afterwards issues
[05:58] <intelikey> well it's no secret that hoary didn't do sound really well.  lots of sound issues there.
[05:59] <Dr_Willis> Ive rarely had sound issues.. other then a few quirks here and there.
[05:59] <Dr_Willis> then there was the time when my 'cutting edge' audigy card wasent supported fully. :)
[06:01] <intelikey> it's an old ess 1688 audio drive   with ide comb  thus i keep it around as long as i can   three ide cables is cool for an eight drive box
[06:02] <richie> hey running an installing for some drivers and its asking me a question i have no idea about can any one help the question is.
[06:03] <robotgeek> richie: what drivers? what is it asking
[06:03] <richie> What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running
[06:03] <richie> kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] 
[06:03] <richie> What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running
[06:03] <robotgeek> richie: loks like wireless drivers, you need kernel headers
[06:03] <richie> kernal
[06:04] <intelikey> sudo apt-get install linux-headers
[06:04] <intelikey> then try it.
[06:04] <richie> cool thanks
[06:04] <robotgeek> richie, sudo apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[06:04] <intelikey> robotgeek the meta package will get the proper version   no ?
[06:05] <robotgeek> intelikey: the meta does not show up for me in apt-cache, strange
[06:05] <richie> im actually using vmware and having a whole lot of trouble getting the vmware tools running properly
[06:06] <intelikey> robotgeek oh its  linux-headers-[3,6] 86
[06:06] <intelikey> i shorted it  sorry.
[06:07] <robotgeek> intelikey: heh, i am on powerpc :)
[06:07] <royal> ok for mp3 support what repositories should I add or enable?
[06:07] <richie> what is power pc?
[06:07] <robotgeek> royal: universe, see /msg ubotu mp3
[06:08] <intelikey> richie mac
[06:08] <richie> cool
[06:08] <robotgeek> richie: different kind of processors, mostly 'old' apples
[06:08] <Trae> I've downloaded this theme: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=26392  How do I install it?
[06:08] <intelikey> linux-headers-386 - Linux kernel headers on 386
[06:08] <intelikey> linux-headers-686 - Linux kernel headers on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV
[06:08] <intelikey> linux-headers-k7 - Linux kernel headers on AMD K7
[06:09] <intelikey> but i see nothing for mac or k8
[06:09] <robotgeek> intelikey: it would probably not show up for you
[06:09] <robotgeek> architecture based, right
[06:10] <royal> I enabled all the Repositories btw that were disabled after setup
[06:10] <intelikey> robotgeek i'd think the kernel headers would.   they could be used to cross compile stuff....
[06:10] <robotgeek> royal: see the desktop guide, System -> Help, it tell how to install mp3/codecs
[06:10] <royal> ok
[06:11] <royal> tommorow I will put the computer on the internet for the first time since it had windows (it used to be the pC I was using, before I custom built the one I'm using now)
[06:11] <Trae> crap, gmail doesn't like konq
[06:11] <intelikey> the binary kernels are installable...
[06:11] <robotgeek> Trae: unfortunately, you can spoof it with safari's /firefox identification
[06:12] <robotgeek> Trae: Tools -> Browser Identification
[06:12] <royal> so i'm asking if theres any suggested repositories I should add
[06:12] <royal> before I shut it down and swamp out hDDs to install another distro on it
[06:12] <robotgeek> royal: sure, add universe multiverse
[06:12] <royal> to which ones?
[06:12] <royal> all of them?
[06:13] <intelikey> errrr actually i lied, the binary kernels arent visable in my repos... guess you hit it robotgeek
[06:13] <robotgeek> royal: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[06:14] <intelikey> ok i'm went #
[06:14] <Trae> robotgeek: k.... (that is lame huh?)
[06:15] <robotgeek> Trae: yeah, send email to google. might help, since whatever they are doing is artificial
[06:15] <DaSkreech> What the heck is Gam server for?
[06:15] <Trae> robotgeek: k
[06:15] <robotgeek> DaSkreech: i think , the mouse
[06:16] <DaSkreech> robotgeek: How come I can kil it then?
[06:18] <Trae> robotgeek: you wouldn't know how to install a theme would you?
[06:18] <Trae> heh
[06:18] <Dr_Willis> depends on the theme
[06:18] <Trae> robotgeek: you seem to know all else ;)
[06:18] <Dr_Willis> and what kind of theme it is.
[06:18] <Trae> "Thinking about blue (grey)"
[06:18] <DaSkreech> Trae: Instructions are normally in the theme
[06:18] <Trae> is the name of it.
[06:19] <Trae> hmm
[06:19] <inc|freaky> hi all. im trying to get the ATI driver to work, but it keeps saying something like: (EE) module ABI major version (0) doesn't match the server's version (1) ... can someone help me?
[06:19] <DaSkreech> Find a README or an install
[06:19] <Trae> this one doesn't seem to have either of those
[06:19] <DaSkreech> Trae: Yeah I know :0
[06:19] <Dr_Willis> I would guess the kernel version/driver version/module versions are not the same inc|freaky
[06:19] <Trae> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=26392
[06:19] <Trae> I thought you used to be able to drag and drop install themes in KDE?
[06:20] <inc|freaky> Dr_Willis: i need a solution ;)
[06:20] <Trae> I seem to recall it having that feature before gnome
[06:20] <Dr_Willis> You can.. but if they are compressed/archived - often the archive contains Several themes, or variants.
[06:20] <Trae> heh
[06:20] <Dr_Willis> so you may need to uncompress the file
[06:20] <Dr_Willis> Plus ive seen themes that are just plainly put together wrongly.
[06:20] <Trae> Dr_Willis: nod, could be the case too.
[06:21] <Trae> could some poor soul try that one theme out to see if it should work?
[06:21] <Dr_Willis> The  ubuntu repos have several dozen+ kde themes you can install as well
[06:21] <Trae> Dr_Willis: oooh
[06:21] <DaSkreech> Dr_Willis: Under what?
[06:21] <Trae> Dr_Willis: what should I apt-get install?
[06:21] <Trae> ;)
[06:21] <Dr_Willis> search for themes. :P
[06:22] <Dr_Willis> theres dozens of them for things.
[06:22] <Dr_Willis> I tend to just use that 'Plastik' theme
[06:22] <Trae> kdeartwork I think
[06:22] <Dr_Willis> there are specific THEME packages as well.
[06:22] <Trae> DaSkreech: yeah apt-get install kdeartwork
[06:23] <Trae> DaSkreech: you may need Universe / Multiverse and stuff in (but you probably know that ;)
[06:23] <Dr_Willis> using the 'smoothblend' theme/decorations right now :P
[06:24] <Dr_Willis> rember that themes are normally made of 3 parts.. ya got the "window decoration" the "widget/button look/effects" then the Icons. :P
[06:24] <Dr_Willis> then ya got the wallpaper/other stuff.
[06:24] <Dr_Willis> heh
[06:25] <DaSkreech> And sounds
[06:25] <DaSkreech> *ducks*
[06:25] <DaSkreech> Ok next question
[06:25] <Trae> root@exultate:~# apt-cache search smoothblend
[06:25] <Trae> root@exultate:~#
[06:26] <Trae> (I get tired of sudo foo... so I do:  sudo su - )
[06:26] <Trae> *chuckle*
[06:26] <DaSkreech>  can you setup Linux to shutdown based on a UPS's power level?
[06:26] <Dr_Willis> Yes you can.
[06:26] <Trae> and no I don't run as root :P
[06:26] <Homer> Dr_Willis, plus aren't many themes now cross desktop?
[06:26] <Homer> eg they theme GTK+ and Qt
[06:27] <Dr_Willis> Homer,  the way they seem to be getting organised. (from what i have seen) is that theres /usr/share/themes diretories
[06:27] <Dr_Willis> and for a speficic 'theme name' (say bubba for example) there will be a subdir in /usr/share/themes/bubba/gtk /usr/share/themes/qt/ /usr/share/theme/fluxbox
[06:28] <Dr_Willis> and so on.
[06:28] <Dr_Willis> they seem to be getting s LOT better organized
[06:28] <DaSkreech> Dr_Willis: That's atta me?
[06:28] <Dr_Willis> but still its often confusing.
[06:28] <Dr_Willis> DaSkreech,  google man :P its doable.
[06:28] <Dr_Willis> That "Ubuntu Hacks" book mentioned 3 different server/daemons to do it.
[06:29] <DaSkreech> OK Next level Of knowledge does it matter which UPS I'm using?
[06:29] <Dr_Willis> yes it matters. :P
[06:29] <DaSkreech> Hmm Sounds useful
[06:29] <DaSkreech> OK good
[06:30] <Kiongku> hey ppl.. know how to add a scanner with parallel port?
[06:31] <skryking> Kiongku: I think it can be done with sane
[06:31] <Kiongku> skryking: is sane a driver or app?
[06:31] <skryking> both
[06:32] <skryking> not sure if it exists on kubuntu...haven't checked
[06:32] <Trae> DaSkreech: can you try a theme for me to see if it's broken or if it'll install please?  http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=26392
[06:32] <Kiongku> ah? how about kooka?
[06:32] <Kiongku> skryking: sane is nto installed by default
[06:32] <skryking> haven't tried it....might have to dig out my old parallel scanner to give it a try
[06:33] <skryking> Kiongku: http://www.sane-project.org/
[06:34] <skryking> it seems to be available if I type sane in adept
[06:34] <Dr_Willis> parallel - ick! :P
[06:36] <Kiongku> how can i check if the scanner is detected by the system?
[06:36] <Dr_Willis> dmesg, perhaps?
[06:38] <Kiongku> hmm
[06:40] <bimberi> Kiongku: what happens if you run Apps -> Graphics -> XSane with it plugged in?
[06:40] <Kiongku> bimberi: does not have xsane.. wait going to fetch it in repos
[06:41] <bimberi> Kiongku: sorry ignore me, that was a gnome-ish question :/
[06:42] <Kiongku> bimberi: ah lol
[06:44] <DaSkreech> Trae: 409 Bytes?
[06:44] <Trae> hah
[06:44] <Trae> that's cool
[06:44] <Trae> I was in xmoto and konversations OSD popped up
[06:45] <Trae> hmmm sec
[06:45] <Trae> 408.0kb
[06:45] <Trae> is what I got
[06:46] <Trae> man... hate to cut and run but I'm flippin' tired!
[06:46] <Trae> DaSkreech: catch you tomorrow
[06:46] <DaSkreech> Trae: Aight
[06:46] <Trae> night
[06:47] <unix_infidel> man i knew i should've just created an archive of my old dapper install instead of just doing a new one :(
[06:47] <punkmexic> hi
[06:47] <punkmexic> anyone alive?
[06:47] <DaSkreech> unix_infidel is grab him
[06:47] <unix_infidel> yay for 4 hours of cp-ing config files and then reconfiguring apps :(
[06:47] <skryking> depends... I've had 1.5 hours sleep in the last 48 hours... don't think I'm alive at this point
[06:47] <punkmexic> i made a hack about swappinness in ubuntu..now i think it will use more of my ram swappinnes was set to 60 and i put it to 10...can that damage my 512 MB RAM? or toast it?
[06:47] <jpiccolo> on the live cd can i change fstab?
[06:48] <unix_infidel> punkmexic: the general rule is to use 1x-2x the physical memory.
[06:48] <unix_infidel> punkmexic: no, adding less swap does not hurt your physical memory.
[06:49] <unix_infidel> only makes memory management more constricted.
[06:49] <abattoir> jpiccolo: the fstab of the livecd or the fstab from an installed system?
[06:49] <skryking> swappiness effects how the virtual memory manager deals with swapping out unused memory
[06:50] <punkmexic> if the general rules is to use 1x-2x then how much i must use ?
[06:50] <abattoir> punkmexic: around 1 GB
[06:50] <abattoir>  2*512 == 1024 ~ GB
[06:51] <abattoir> 2*512=1024 :P
[06:51] <abattoir> doh, screw it
[06:51] <jpiccolo> on the live cd, i am trying to move files on a hard drive, but the hard drive wont mount
[06:51] <punkmexic> abattoir: i have 512 ram..
[06:51] <punkmexic> my swappinness was 60
[06:51] <punkmexic> i dont know what that means
[06:51] <punkmexic> i reduced to 10
[06:51] <punkmexic> and now is faster
[06:52] <punkmexic> but how much will it be good to do it
[06:52] <punkmexic> u say 1 gb but i dont understand that
[06:52] <abattoir> punkmexic: yes, it is generally recommended to have twice the amount of ram as swap(as was said)
[06:52] <skryking> it means it not swap out as much unused pages to allow more cache
[06:52] <abattoir> since you have 512MB, around 1GB is recommended
[06:52] <skryking> swappiness has nothing to do with how much swap space you have
[06:53] <abattoir> jpiccolo: try mounting it manually
[06:53] <jpiccolo> it was saying its not in fstab
[06:53] <skryking> punkmexic: http://gentoo-wiki.com/FAQ_Linux_Memory_Management#Swappiness_.282.6_kernels.29  good faq about swappiness
[06:54] <punkmexic> thanx skryking
[06:54] <skryking> jpiccolo: mount -t filesystemtype /dev/hda1 /mountpoint
[06:54] <jpiccolo> ok where should i mount it to, / doest seem to be working
[06:55] <skryking> replace hda1 with what ever filesystem you are trying to mount
[06:55] <skryking> make a mount point some where else like /mnt/slash or what ever
[06:55] <jpiccolo> can i on the live cd
[06:55] <jpiccolo> i am booted up with the live cd
[06:55] <DaSkreech> jpiccolo: try under /mnt
[06:56] <skryking> jpiccolo: yeah you can
[06:56] <DaSkreech> Make some folder there
[06:57] <ace> i am having problems with geting juk media player to play mp3 files
[06:57] <DaSkreech> ace: can it play ogg files?
[06:57] <ace> i think so
[06:58] <jpiccolo> freaking awesome, thanks guys
[06:58] <punkmexic> can someone give me a command to play mp3s in my amarok?
[06:58] <punkmexic> to install correct libraries
[06:58] <punkmexic> someone told me about xine codecs..but they cant being downloaded
[06:58] <punkmexic> with adept or terminal i cant download them
[06:59] <skryking> http://www.kubuntu.org/faq.php#mp3s
[06:59] <jpiccolo> ok can i take the cd out when booted up with the live cd
[06:59] <skryking> no
[07:00] <skryking> the cd is mounted as /
[07:01] <jpiccolo> live cd has usb support, right?
[07:06] <halfbloodprince> hello people
[07:07] <insanekane> hello halfbloodprince
[07:08] <halfbloodprince> hey insanekane, how's it going?
[07:08] <insanekane> halfbloodprince: its ok
[07:09] <insanekane> halfbloodprince: you ?
[07:09] <halfbloodprince> i'm alright
[07:10] <obf213> so when are they coming out with the nxt harry potter anyways halfbloodprince
[07:10] <halfbloodprince> 2007
[07:10] <halfbloodprince> july
[07:10] <insanekane> didnt you hear ? Harry potter is evil
[07:10] <halfbloodprince> you a fan?
[07:10] <insanekane> at least RMS thinks so
[07:10] <halfbloodprince> hehe, i dont know about evil, but i think he's stupid
[07:10] <obf213> not really
[07:11] <sabaal> Please verify: I am not crazy, and there is in fact something wrong with kde-look.org.
[07:11] <obf213> i mean it came out such a long time ago
[07:11] <sabaal> *Crosses fingers.*
[07:11] <halfbloodprince> not stupid per se, just too thickheaded
[07:11] <obf213> sabaal your crazy
[07:11] <halfbloodprince> sabaal: wht do you mean by something wrong?
[07:11] <halfbloodprince> the look? or something else
[07:12] <obf213> sabaal it is 100% the same
[07:12] <sabaal> halfbloodprince: Can't seem to get to the site at all. It down, or is my browser messed up?
[07:12] <obf213> its your browser
[07:12] <sabaal> Lovely.
[07:12] <insanekane> sabaal: kde-look works fine
[07:12] <sabaal> *Kicks computer.*
[07:12] <skryking> sabaal: looks ok to me
[07:12] <halfbloodprince> it's working fine
[07:12] <halfbloodprince> although i dont like a lot of the themes there :(
[07:12] <obf213> wait guys it looks even better than ok it looks amazing.
[07:13] <obf213> to bad sabaal your missin' out
[07:13] <halfbloodprince> hahaha
[07:13] <sabaal> obf213: Yeah, I know. I've got some clipart there I've got to check in on. :\
[07:14] <obf213> o i c. i dont understand why i t would work
[07:14] <obf213> is ur browser not working at all
[07:14] <obf213> konqi or firefox
[07:14] <sabaal> No, every other site works fine. On both browsers.
[07:14] <obf213> o
[07:14] <sabaal> But no kde-look.
[07:14] <sabaal> *Cries.*
[07:15] <skryking> clean out your cache file
[07:16] <sabaal> skryking: Alright, I'll give that a try...
[07:18] <halfbloodprince> did it work?
[07:19] <sabaal> *Sigh.* Nope. Neither browser. Konqueror's giving me a "timeout on server", and Firefox just keeps pretending to load something.
[07:20] <punkmexic> is it normal to have lots of repeated instances of lots of programs in kubuntu in the processtable?
[07:20] <punkmexic> i see like 9 times mor than in a normal windowsxp session
[07:21] <sabaal> punkmexic: I've never met a Linux distro that didn't give me, like, 400 of the same app or two. Doesn't seem to affect performance.
[07:21] <sabaal> Im'a say it's alright. :P
[07:21] <sabaal> I wonder if I should gripe to my ISP about this kde-look thing...
[07:26] <jpiccolo> what tools do i need to write to ntfs
[07:27] <skryking> jpiccolo: windows :P
[07:27] <jpiccolo> not an option
[07:27] <jpiccolo> he
[07:27] <sabaal> Then there's not much need for ntfs, now is there? :P
[07:27] <skryking> then why use ntfs if your not using windows?
[07:28] <skryking> punkmexic: which application?
[07:28] <jpiccolo> i have an old hd thats ntfs
[07:28] <punkmexic> > getty
[07:28] <punkmexic> [23:22]  <punkmexic> hald-addon-store
[07:28] <punkmexic> [23:22]  <punkmexic> kiohttp
[07:28] <punkmexic> these one skryking
[07:29] <punkmexic> i need a mirror to download   libxine-extracodecs
[07:29] <punkmexic> cuz i cant download them from terminal
[07:29] <punkmexic> or adept
[07:29] <punkmexic> i see them in adept
[07:29] <punkmexic> but i cant download them
[07:29] <punkmexic> or maybe someone could give me an alternative repository?
[07:29] <obf213> my computer doesnt restart anymore
[07:29] <seth> http://packages.ubuntu.com/libxine-extracodecs
[07:29] <obf213> wht did i do it just shuts itselfoff
[07:30] <seth> punkmexic, specifically, http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/download.pl?arch=i386&file=pool%2Fmultiverse%2Fx%2Fxine-extracodecs%2Flibxine-extracodecs_1.1.1%2Bubuntu1-2_i386.deb&md5sum=5512ee45d3d0c9dd30f2588512729aa8&arch=i386&type=main
[07:30] <punkmexic> seth:
[07:31] <punkmexic> i have 48 hours trying to learn how to find these .deb packages in packages.ubuntu.com but i dont know how to i only find source code
[07:31] <punkmexic> teach me
[07:31] <jin> anyone know how to change the permission of a specific directory from root to user?
[07:31] <seth> punkmexic, see for example this page: http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/libs/libxine-extracodecs
[07:31] <sabaal> jin: Gonna have to be root to do it.
[07:31] <seth> then where it says "Download libxine-extracodecs"
[07:31] <seth> punkmexic, click i386
[07:31] <ironfroggy> is there any way such that when firefox downloads something to a file, which is on a remote store, that i could get it to invoke an external command to perform that download
[07:32] <sabaal> jin: Run "kdesu konqueror", then change it through settings as normal.
[07:32] <ironfroggy> basically, im wanting to avoid downloading just to upload to the remote store.
[07:32] <sabaal> jin: Or properties, or whatever.
[07:32] <ironfroggy> and would rather use a script to trigger a download directly to that box.
[07:33] <skryking> I wish zfs was ported to linux already
[07:33] <unix_infidel> use it with a virtual server.
[07:33] <ironfroggy> what good is it
[07:33] <sabaal> I wish I knew what zfs was. :P
[07:33] <unix_infidel> !zfs
[07:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about zfs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:33] <unix_infidel> its just a file system developed by sun microsystems.
[07:34] <skryking> suns new filesystem
[07:34] <jin> anyone know how to change the permission of a specific directory from root to user?
[07:34] <unix_infidel> supposed to be really good, and overcomes a lot of limitations by standard FS
[07:34] <seth> jin, with terminal or without?
[07:34] <sabaal> Limitations? Like what?
[07:34] <jin> with terminal
[07:34] <skryking> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/
[07:35] <seth> jin, "sudo chown -R yourname: thedir/"
[07:35] <seth> replace yourname with your username
[07:35] <seth> make sure to include the colon
[07:35] <jin> oo ok. thanx
[07:35] <jin> ok2
[07:36] <ironfroggy> even if zfs was on lnux, it wont be all tha useful until applications take advantage of some of its more interesting features.
[07:36] <skryking> true
[07:36] <unix_infidel> skryking: the only reason for zfs is a server. and if you need it that bad on linux, run it with a guest OS.
[07:37] <ironfroggy> and even then, zfs just doesnt go far enough
[07:37] <skryking> not so much that I need it as I'm interested in tearing through the code to see how its implemented
[07:37] <ironfroggy> we really need to get away from filesystems completely.
[07:37] <unix_infidel> ironfroggy: ??
[07:37] <ironfroggy> file systems suck.
[07:37] <skryking> ironfroggy?
[07:37] <skryking> lol
[07:37] <ironfroggy> files and directories are incredably limiting
[07:37] <sabaal> The alternative?
[07:38] <unix_infidel> ironfroggy: as opposed to cybernetic containers?
[07:38] <unix_infidel> not binary, but physiochemical signals :P?
[07:38] <ironfroggy> sabaal: something
[07:38] <skryking> live perpetual objects instead of files
[07:38] <sabaal> Quadrinary?
[07:38] <ironfroggy> either perpetual objects or a dynamic-relative-DB
[07:38] <punkmexic> how does kubuntu stability gets if if i add xfce, fluxbox and icewm
[07:39] <seth> punkmexic, KDE is not affected by your installation of other WMs
[07:39] <punkmexic> is it affected or get aad
[07:39] <punkmexic> bad
[07:39] <seth> while I cannot speak for the stability of the other WMs, none of them will in any way affect each other
[07:39] <punkmexic> will i have trouble with kde kicker and other wms?
[07:40] <punkmexic> will i neeed special commands
[07:40] <ironfroggy> unless they include system("rm -fr /") in their code somewhere
[07:41] <sabaal> Alright, I'm off to collect more problems for you guys to solve for me. :P
[07:41] <skryking> i prefer the old dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/hda bs=512
[07:49] <lwrot> 
[07:49] <jin> dd is used to create an iso from a cd right?
[07:50] <skryking> dd is used to make binary copies of whatever is in the if= parameter to whatever is in the of= parameter
[07:50] <GullyFoyle> the livecd wont recognize either my soundcard or my network card
[07:51] <ironfroggy> is there a way to specify that if one network interface is available to use it exclusively over the other?
[07:52] <jin> so? can we used dd to create an iso from a cd?
[07:52] <ironfroggy> i want to have my wireless connection avoided so long as my wired connection remains.
[07:52] <skryking> jin: yes
[07:52] <skryking> I believe
[07:52] <ironfroggy> ISO is slightly more than a raw disc image, isnt it?
[07:52] <jin> hoo ok. but how?
[07:52] <skryking> ironfroggy: yeah
[07:52] <ironfroggy> includes things like CD label?
[07:53] <ironfroggy> which means a dd from a CD wont be an "iso" is that sense.
[07:53] <skryking> dd if=/dev/hdc of=cdrom.iso
[07:53] <skryking> dd will get the label
[07:53] <ironfroggy> ah, because the label is stored within the image itself.
[07:53] <skryking> or do you mean the graphic label
[07:53] <ironfroggy> no i meant the name
[07:53] <skryking> yeah it would be in the image
[07:54] <skryking> replace /dev/hdc with whatever device your cd is on
[07:54] <skryking> I think that works
[07:54] <jin> oow ok. thanx
[07:55] <ironfroggy> is OO.o Database compatible with Access/Jet?
[07:56] <punkmexic> any logitech quickcam messenger  webcam tutorial?
[07:56] <|lostbyte|> Good Morning, Kubuntuer's :)
[08:02] <skreech_> Is there a dcop signal I can send to kate to get it to save all?
[08:02] <ironfroggy> probably. have you looked through its interfaces?
[08:03] <skreech_> ironfroggy: How?
[08:03] <ironfroggy> kdcop is an easytway to browse through dcop stuff.
[08:03] <skreech_> KDE is dead
[08:04] <skreech_> The mouse moves but doesn't interact with anything The keyboard is dead and kwin died
[08:05] <skreech_> I have a set of notes in kate I Need to save
[08:05] <ironfroggy> ah, i see, and you are trying to ssh in or something to trigger a save?
[08:06] <skryking> skreech_: I'm looking at it
[08:06] <skreech_> ironfroggy: No I'm on another terminal
[08:07] <skreech_> I can do things like Alt+Ctrl+V to pop up Klipper or Alt+Ctrl+F<n>
[08:07] <skreech_> Though I think the klipper thing is what is messing with the mouse
[08:07] <skreech_> skryking: THanks :)
[08:08] <ironfroggy> well just explore dcop with tab competion if you cant get a working X session
[08:08] <ironfroggy> dcop kate<tab> <enter> will give you a list of things available from kate through dcop
[08:09] <skreech_> Couldn't attach to DCOP server!!
[08:10] <skryking> would close all documents force a save?
[08:10] <skreech_> I can't :)
[08:11] <skryking> I don't see a dcop method to save file in kate
[08:12] <skreech_> Ah well
[08:12] <skreech_>  Alt+Ctrl+Esc
[08:12] <skreech_> Sure Hope I remember those people's names :-(
[08:12] <cvt> i got a virus from a link and now konqueror doesn't work. how can this be?
[08:13] <skryking> you got a virus?
[08:13] <cvt> yes
[08:13] <skryking> interesting...
[08:13] <skryking> send a copy of it to me :)
[08:13] <jin> how do u know its a virus?
[08:13] <cvt> ok...
[08:13] <DaSkreech> It said Virus.exe :)
[08:14] <skryking> I've been trying to catch a virus on my linux box for a while... I did manage to give wine a virus once though
[08:14] <punkmexic> ANYONE know repositories for came, cameramonitor, easycam2 , camorama, gqcam, ov511-source  , spca5xx-source'???
[08:14] <jin> ah? ur using linux right? then how can an exe is activated in linux other than windows?
[08:15] <skryking> could associate it with wine
[08:15] <cvt> skryking,  the problem is i can't retieve the link b/c konqueror is broken
[08:15] <cvt> i'll keep trying to get to my logs to find it somehow
[08:15] <cvt> how can i access my logs without konqueror?
[08:16] <IceKnight> cvt: the old way -- use the terminal. Everything has to be somewhere.
[08:16] <skryking> go look in .kde/share/apps/konqueror
[08:16] <DaSkreech> !info easycam2
[08:16] <ubotu> Package easycam2 does not exist in any distro I know
[08:17] <skryking> anyone ever try getting solaris 10 to work inside vmware workstation?
[08:18] <cvt> skryking,  how to i open the log without konqueror--i don't know how?
[08:20] <Jucato> cvt: what log are you looking for?
[08:20] <cvt> chatlog
[08:20] <Jucato> from Konversation?
[08:20] <DaSkreech> vi?
[08:20] <cvt> xchat
[08:21] <Jucato> hm... well, first you have to locate where XChat keeps its logs. then you can simply open them in Kate
[08:21] <cvt> it was posted in an irc channel when i was using xchat
[08:21] <cvt> ~/.xchat2/
[08:21] <Jucato> cvt: then just open the log file in Kate. it's just a text file anyway
[08:25] <cvt> the url didn't look like this but  this is one that appears to have a similar effect:
[08:25] <cvt> ..../!\ malicious link detected /!\ http://strippers.on.nimp.org
[08:26] <cvt> the url i had did not say that or have a picture
[08:30] <DaSkreech> Someone was mentioning a 6.06.2?
[08:31] <DaSkreech> I wasn't aware they had plans of that sort
[08:32] <jin> cvt: have u found the virus yet?
[08:34] <kellor> hi...can someone tell me of a command that prints the kernel version
[08:34] <kellor> please
[08:34] <Jucato> uname -r
[08:35] <kellor> thanks
[08:36] <InteliWasp> what do i need to do to get my mouse forward/back buttons to work?
[08:37] <DaSkreech> !logitech
[08:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about logitech - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:38] <DaSkreech> Damn :)
[08:39] <cvt> my pc just froze because of that virus
[08:39] <arunkale> how do i play wmv files?
[08:40] <DaSkreech> !w32codecs
[08:40] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:40] <keldon> hi all
[08:40] <keldon> I'm a semi-newbie
[08:40] <keldon> just wanted to ask about installing jdk
[08:40] <DaSkreech> !java
[08:40] <ubotu> java is an object oriented programming language. To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[08:41] <arunkale> DaSkreech: i have installed w32codecs
[08:41] <keldon> thanks
[08:41] <DaSkreech> arunkale: MIght be a DRMed wmv?
[08:41] <arunkale> not likely
[08:42] <keldon> also another thing, I installed firefox using Adept, and although I created my own shortcut icon, does't adept handle this automaticall
[08:42] <keldon> y
[08:42] <DaSkreech> keldon: Should
[08:43] <Jucato> keldon: the system doesn't put icons on the desktop by default
[08:44] <DaSkreech> keldon: Wait on the Desktop or the start menu?
[08:44] <keldon> the start menu
[08:44] <arunkale> DaSkreech: I should play it using Kaffeine, right?
[08:44] <DaSkreech> arunkale: Yup
[08:45] <InteliWasp> !mouse
[08:45] <ubotu> Enabling extra mouse buttons: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManyButtonsMouseHowto  - Enabling serial mouse: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialMouseHowto
[08:45] <Jucato> keldon: ah that one, sometimes K Menu is bugged that way. but it will be added eventually (usually when you log out), but to refresh the menu manually, run this command "kbuildsycoca --incremental" and ignore the error messages
[08:45] <NuTuKubuntu> hello
[08:46] <cvt> ./!\ Malicious link detected ./!\. http://nig.gr/105g   /!\ Malicious link detected /!\
[08:46] <arunkale> DaSkreech: the error when i try to play wmv files using kaffeine is 'A problem occur while loading a library or a decoder: wmvdmod.dll'
[08:46] <DaSkreech> Well it's finding the dll it seems
[08:47] <arunkale> so what do i do?
[08:48] <arunkale> Should I get Xine or mplayer or something
[08:48] <keldon> ok thanks
[08:48] <DaSkreech> Well you are using the Xine engine
[08:48] <kellor> does the make command not exist in ubuntu?
[08:48] <Jucato> kellor: not by default
[08:48] <Jucato> install "build-essential"
[08:48] <kellor> whatis it's equiv?
[08:48] <cvt> who was helping me with that virus?
[08:48] <DaSkreech> kellor: Install build-essential
[08:48] <chrisoverly> Hello I need some help
[08:49] <NuTuKubuntu> I have a question regarding linix programs.  I have a friend who was using a really nice flow chart / diagram program.  I cannot remember what it is called.  Is there a popular choice for a "Visio" linux alternative
[08:49] <DaSkreech> chrisoverly: Ask
[08:49] <jin> anyone know how to start an proftpd, i was shutting the ftp server using the command ftpshut and now i just cant seem to start the proftpd
[08:49] <InteliWasp> oh crap... adept won't start...
[08:50] <chrisoverly> How do I install programs on linux sounds like a dumb question I know lol
[08:50] <kellor> so if i was following a walk through that says "make install" I should type build-essential?
[08:50] <Jucato> NuTuKubuntu: you could try installing Kivio. but I think OpenOffice.org Drawing is installed by default, too
[08:50] <NuTuKubuntu> chrisoverly:  sudo apt-get install programnamehere
[08:50] <kellor> trying to use ndiswrapper...
[08:50] <InteliWasp> kivio is installed by default
[08:50] <bimberi_> NuTuKubuntu: kivio is one, dia is another (although it's gtk)
[08:50] <DaSkreech> chrisoverly: Open Adept
[08:51] <chrisoverly> well I installed something called wine but can not find it where would it be
[08:51] <kellor> trying to get an old desktop online using a usb wireless adapter
[08:51] <NuTuKubuntu> the one my buddy was using was on a mac.  He said its open source and available for linux too.  I want to say it was freeform or something simmilar
[08:51] <Jucato> kellor: no. installing build-essential will install the packages you need to compile. you will then be able to use "make" and "make install"
[08:51] <DaSkreech> chrisoverly: wine is pretty much a command line app
[08:52] <chrisoverly> oh ok lol
[08:52] <chrisoverly> guess thats not going to work for me lol
[08:52] <chrisoverly> I like GUI
[08:52] <chrisoverly> lol
[08:52] <kellor> i see
[08:52] <bimberi_> NuTuKubuntu: there's freemind, it's a mind mapping tool
[08:52] <DaSkreech> chrisoverly: It's not that bad :)
[08:52] <chrisoverly> when my firefox gets done installing where will it go???//
[08:52] <kellor> but since that box is not online and my only net connection is this XP laptop I'm SOL...(?)
[08:52] <Jucato> chrisoverly: well, it's the only alternative you have. but you can also right-click on an .exe file and choose Open With then type in "wine". but some programs would work if you start it from the comand line
[08:53] <DaSkreech> chrisoverly: Check in the Internet section of the start menu
[08:53] <kellor> command line is fun after a while
[08:53] <kellor> like driving a stick-shift...
[08:54] <kellor> once you learn you don't go back :)
[08:54] <chrisoverly> linux is all new to me thanks so much
[08:54] <NuTuKubuntu> bimberi_:  THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   freemind, that is it.  I need it for a college class.
[08:54] <NuTuKubuntu> thanks
[08:54] <bimberi_> NuTuKubuntu: np :)
[08:54] <DaSkreech> freemind pretty much rocks
[08:55] <bimberi_> that it does :)
[08:55] <jin> anyone know how to start proftpd, i was shutting the ftp server using the command ftpshut and now i just cant seem to start the proftpd
[08:55] <InteliWasp> how do i force a proccess to restart, namely the adept notifier
[08:55] <NuTuKubuntu> yeah, I am a senior getting my BS in Computer Engineering and we have a huge final project that I need to do some documentation on, and my friend was showing it to me and It looked perfect
[08:56] <kellor> so with out installing build essential I can't make install, right?
[08:56] <keldon> ok, I followed the instructions on help.ubuntu.com, added the multitude repository, but when I tried "sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jdk", it said that it couldn't find the package
[08:57] <DaSkreech> kellor: Right
[08:57] <kellor> damn...
[08:57] <DaSkreech> keldon: You may want to try multiverse
[08:57] <Jucato> kellor: yes
[08:57] <DaSkreech> kellor: It's not that hard :)
[08:57] <Jucato> catch-22..
[08:57] <DaSkreech> kellor: Ah wait no net?
[08:58] <DaSkreech> You have Internet on this computer?
[08:58] <kellor> nope...well only a slow wireless on my XP laptop
[08:58] <bimberi_> NuTuKubuntu: if you need to print from it, make sure you check its printing capabilities before you commit to using it
[08:58] <DaSkreech>  But no network access to the other computer?
[08:58] <kellor> just dumpstered an old dell desktop...
[08:58] <kellor> DaSkreech: right
[08:58] <keldon> lol, sorry typo, but I did add multiverse
[08:59] <keldon> i have a net connection
[08:59] <kellor> using a home made parabolic antenna to get free wifi from a bank a block down the street
[08:59] <kellor> 11 Mbps :)
[09:00] <kellor> any ideas
[09:00] <Jucato> keldon: after you added multiverse, did you "sudo apt-get update" first before trying to install?
[09:00] <kellor> ?
[09:00] <keldon> no, let me try that
[09:00] <tchung> hi
[09:00] <jin> keldon: y dont u just download them from "sun.java.com" n install them manually
[09:00] <DaSkreech> kellor: You need drivers >_<
[09:00] <tchung> I need to extract a .tar file
[09:00] <tchung> how would you do it?
[09:01] <DaSkreech> jin: cause apt-get is way easier?
[09:01] <kellor> BTW is there a command that will tell me if the machine has usb 2.0?
[09:01] <Jucato> no to mention safer...
[09:01] <DaSkreech> tar -xzvf tar.gz
[09:01] <DaSkreech> Oh wait. tar?
[09:01] <tchung> it is just a .tar
[09:01] <tchung> yea
[09:01] <DaSkreech> tar -xvf tar.tar
[09:01] <tchung> ta
[09:01] <Jucato> or just use Ark...
[09:01] <DaSkreech> heehee
[09:01] <Jucato> :p
[09:02] <jin> DaSkreech: but i exp some trouble when installing them from apt-get
[09:02] <DaSkreech> jin: Did you update-alternatives java?
[09:02] <jin> yup
[09:02] <Jucato> jin: what problems did you run into?
[09:02] <jin> yet i cant seem to get the env var for my java
[09:03] <tchung> it works.. Thx
[09:03] <jin> jucato: that java is used to run my server (jboss n other stuff)
[09:04] <Jucato> ah
[09:04] <keldon> jin: I did download jdk, but it's something that is supported so it would be nice to use the automatic installation
[09:04] <tchung> tchung, tchung
[09:04] <keldon> well i've installed jdk manually now since I already downloaded it
[09:05] <keldon> only it installs in the directory you was in when you ran it, so now I have jdk on my desktop
[09:06] <jin> keldon: then its up to u. but for me its much more convinient to intall them manually, especially if u want to start a server using java base
[09:06] <tchung> how to send a whisper? anyone?
[09:06] <jin> keldon: then whats the problem?
[09:06] <DaSkreech> In IRC?
[09:06] <Jucato> anyone here knows how to setup Samba in Kubuntu so I could share with XP on VMWare? networking/samba noob here...
[09:06] <DaSkreech> !samba
[09:06] <ubotu> samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[09:07] <tchung> yes in IRC
[09:07] <keldon> jin: well there is no problem now, but it has installed to my desktop
[09:07] <keldon> so when i get back i'll have to sort that out
[09:07] <Jucato> DaSkreech: would those work for VMWare too?
[09:07] <keldon> but you guys have been great, thanks for your help
[09:08] <keldon> gtg bye
[09:11] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Why not?
[09:11] <tchung> how to whisper in IRC? anyone?
[09:11] <DaSkreech> tchung: First of all you should mostly speak in the main channel
[09:11] <DaSkreech>  To help others aswell as not pester one person
[09:11] <tchung> DaSkreech: How to do something like that?
[09:11] <Jucato> DaSkreech: heh, I don't know. that's the "networking/samba noob here" part of my question )
[09:11] <DaSkreech> Second you should ask if you can PM someone before you do it
[09:12] <DaSkreech> tchung: then to speak to somone you type /pm person message
[09:22] <jin> anyone know how to start proftpd?
[09:24] <Peloto> im tring to instal gstreamer0.8-mad_0.8.8-1ubuntu4_i386.deb
[09:25] <Peloto> so I can play mp3's but when I double click it on my decktop it tells me it isnt in my PATH
[09:25] <Admiral_Chicago> Peloto, do it from the command line
[09:25] <Peloto> what's that mean?
[09:25] <Admiral_Chicago> open up konsole
[09:25] <Jucato> Peloto: you don't need to install gstreamer to play MP3 in Kubuntu
[09:25] <Peloto> ok
[09:25] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: he will need libxine-extracodecs
[09:25] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato, i know that
[09:25] <Admiral_Chicago> but i figured i'd educate him
[09:26] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: oh sorry :)
[09:26] <Admiral_Chicago> on command like
[09:26] <Jucato> carry on :)
[09:26] <Admiral_Chicago> line*
[09:26] <Peloto> yes please
[09:26] <Peloto> I like the line
[09:26] <Admiral_Chicago> Peloto, open up console
[09:26] <Peloto> done
[09:26] <Admiral_Chicago> type cd /home/user/Desktop
[09:26] <Peloto> cd'ed into my decktop
[09:26] <Peloto> done
[09:26] <Admiral_Chicago> Peloto, good
[09:27] <Admiral_Chicago> sudo dpkg -i gstreamer0.8-mad_0.8.8-1ubuntu4_i386.deb
[09:27] <Admiral_Chicago> that is how you install a .deb in Kubuntu
[09:27] <Peloto>  dpkg -i
[09:27] <Admiral_Chicago> to install the library you need, the command is "sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs"
[09:27] <Peloto> many many thanks
[09:28] <Admiral_Chicago> no problem
[09:28] <Peloto> that wont work for me...alas the box is not online...
[09:28] <Peloto> can I download it and transfer it via flash drive?
[09:28] <Jucato> Peloto: libxine-extracodecs is in multiverse. or you could download it from packages.ubuntu.com
[09:29] <DaSkreech> Peloto: Yes :)
[09:30] <Peloto> excellent...
[09:30] <Jucato> DaSkreech: thanks for the links to samba from ubotu. unfortunately it presumes that I already know how to setup a network, or that there's already an existing one...
[09:30] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Well doesn't VMware have fake interfaces?
[09:31] <Jucato> DaSkreech: heh... I guess I have to make clear the "networking/samba noob" part :)
[09:31] <Jucato> :P
[09:31] <josef> hello
[09:32] <Jucato> hi josef
[09:32] <josef> hey jucato
[09:32] <josef> jucato how are you
[09:32] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato, i don't like the documentation for SAMBA
[09:32] <Admiral_Chicago> too complicated
[09:32] <Jucato> josef:
[09:32] <Admiral_Chicago> there is a GUI tool but that is relatively obscure too
[09:32] <Jucato> josef: I'm fine. thanks :)
[09:32] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: heh... I have -50% knowledge about networking, much less samba...
[09:33] <josef> jucato i have a question for you...
[09:33] <kellor> thats better
[09:33] <DaSkreech> Admiral_Chicago: It's on Linux of course it's complicated :)
[09:33] <DaSkreech> !ask
[09:33] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[09:34] <Jucato> anyone here knows how to setup Samba in Kubuntu so I could share with XP on VMWare? total and absolute networking/samba noob here...
[09:34] <josef> ok i looking for a program that can play sony playstation does anybody know it
[09:34] <kellor> so as I said earlier...im trying to get an old dell online....running breezy...my only way of getting online is via a usb wireless adapter...
[09:34] <Jucato> josef: PS 1? ePSXe.
[09:34] <josef> jucato PS1
[09:34] <Jucato> josef: there's a guide in the forums on how to install it. no official guide from Ubuntu
[09:35] <Jucato> hi jono! :)
[09:35] <jono> hey Jucato :)
[09:35] <kellor> need to get ndiswrapper on it but I can't make install it...
[09:35] <kellor> and I can't install build essential wih out being online...
[09:35] <kellor> any ideas?
[09:36] <josef> jucato i will search in the forums
[09:36] <Jucato> jono: advanced happy birthday! (in case I forget on sunday) :D
[09:38] <kellor> no luck, eh
[09:38] <jono> Jucato, thanks! :)
[09:38] <Jucato> kellor: there is a way... but you'd probably have to download the Alternate Install CD...
[09:38] <kellor> alternate install cd, huh
[09:38] <kellor> tell me more...please
[09:39] <Jucato> kellor: basically, you can use the Alternate Install CD as an offline repository. and it contains build-essential. so you could use it to install build-essential without an internet connection
[09:39] <kellor> i see
[09:39] <Jucato> the downside is, you have download another CD size image...
[09:39] <DaSkreech> kellor: You can download the debs somewhere and install them
[09:40] <DaSkreech> Or do that thing that Jucato said
[09:40] <DaSkreech> hi chrisoverly
[09:40] <Jucato> DaSkreech: problem would be dependencies..
[09:40] <chrisoverly> how do I install flashplayer
[09:40] <kellor> excellent...
[09:40] <chrisoverly> I downloaded it just dont know how to install it
[09:40] <DaSkreech> Jucato: And being a pain in the buttocks
[09:40] <DaSkreech> !flash
[09:40] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:40] <chrisoverly> I have to do it through command prompt
[09:40] <Jucato> yeah that too....
[09:41] <Jucato> chrisoverly: install the package "flashplugin-nonfree" from the multiverse repos
[09:41] <chrisoverly> where is that at?
[09:41] <Jucato> !repos
[09:41] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[09:41] <kellor> well thanks again for the info...I appreiciate it VERY much
[09:41] <kellor> goodnight!
[09:41] <Jucato> follow that guide ^^
[09:42] <chrisoverly> can some one help me
[09:42] <Jucato> chrisoverly: have you tried following that guide?
[09:43] <chrisoverly> how do I Navigate to a directory.
[09:43] <Jucato> it tells you how to enable the multiverse repository so that you could install Flash (flashplugin-nonfree)
[09:44] <chrisoverly> HOW DO I NAVIGATE TO A DIRECTORY
[09:44] <Jucato> "cd <directory_name>"
[09:44] <chrisoverly> thanks
[09:44] <chrisoverly> same as dos
[09:46] <arunkale> Jucato: After I install Wine, is it supposed to show up in the kmenu?
[09:46] <Jucato> arunkale:  nope.
[09:46] <Jucato> since it's more of a command line program
[09:46] <arunkale> okay
[09:47] <Jucato> arunkale: you use it with "wine <windows executable>"
[09:47] <arunkale> ah yeah, i know that part
[09:48] <arunkale> Jucato: I can only eject my cd rom by right clicking the cd icon in media:/ and selecting eject.. if i press the button on the cd rom drive, nothing happens
[09:49] <charlie5> hi ... i'm trying to install bband ... the service gets activated tonight at midnight, but in the meantime i'm trying to setup the linux side ... will i need to change anything in my /etc/hosts' file or 'system settings/network settings' ?
[09:49] <Jucato> arunkale: have you closed everything that has accessed the CD? (like Konqueror?)
[09:49] <arunkale> Jucato: yes
[09:50] <Jucato> arunkale: you can also eject from the command line with "eject /media/mount_point_of_cdrom"  or "eject /dev/hdc" (or which ever /dev your cdrom is using)
[09:50] <arunkale> okay..
[09:50] <Jucato> but I don't know why it's not working in the first place
[09:56] <arunkale> how do i change the single click behavior to double click
[09:56] <Jucato> arunkale: System Settings > Mouse.
[09:56] <Jucato> select Double click to open files and folders
[09:57] <arunkale> okay, cool
[09:57] <arunkale> thanks
[09:57] <arunkale> thanks for being so helpful!
[09:57] <Jucato> :P
[09:57] <Jucato> no problem
[09:59] <arunkale> how do i get internet explorer for linux? is it available in adept? this is just for development purposes
[09:59] <Admiral_Chicago> IEs4 i think its called
[09:59] <Jucato> ies4linux
[10:00] <Admiral_Chicago> thats it, it works pretty well from what i've heard
[10:00] <Jucato> http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/index-en.html
[10:00] <arunkale> it's not in adept
[10:00] <arunkale> thanks
[10:01] <arunkale> Jucato: i tried to run the yahoo messenger installer using wine, the installer runs, but it says that i need at least internet explorer 5 to run the program.. will installing ies4linux fix this?
[10:01] <Jucato> arunkale: don't like Kopete?
[10:01] <arunkale> Kopete is not good with yahoo
[10:02] <arunkale> plus i need to use features such as photo sharing and stuff
[10:02] <Jucato> ah
[10:02] <abattoir> !info lame
[10:02] <arunkale> heh tatanka.com
[10:03] <ubotu> lame: LAME Ain't an MP3 Encoder. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 3.96.1-1 (dapper), package size 222 kB, installed size 620 kB
[10:03] <abattoir> Jucato: ^^
[10:03] <Jucato> heh
[10:03] <Jucato> !info liblame0
[10:03] <ubotu> liblame0: LAME Ain't an MP3 Encoder. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 3.96.1-1 (dapper), package size 147 kB, installed size 376 kB
[10:03] <Jucato> abattoir: ^^
[10:03] <abattoir> tit for tat eh?
[10:03] <abattoir> :P
[10:03] <abattoir> one is probably a dep. of the other
[10:10] <arunkale> once a program is installed in wine, how do i run it
[10:10] <Admiral_Chicago> arunkale, you run wine from the command line
[10:10] <Admiral_Chicago> check out the man page
[10:11] <arunkale> ok cool
[10:11] <arunkale> ooh yeah with the double slashes
[10:16] <molily> hi
[10:16] <arunkale> is xchat better than konversation?
[10:16] <arunkale> hi molily
[10:16] <Jucato> hm... probably when it comes to transparencies? :)
[10:16] <arunkale> what do you mean Jucato
[10:17] <Jucato> xchat has transparencies (you can make the window transparent). Konversation doesn't have that
[10:17] <arunkale> you can make the window transparent even without xgl?
[10:18] <Jucato> arunkale: yeah I think so
[10:18] <Jucato> just like Konsole
[10:18] <Jucato> not "true" transparency, though
[10:18] <arunkale> i've heard kubuntu edgy is going to be awesome
[10:19] <abattoir> arunkale: want true transparency?
[10:19] <abattoir> arunkale: your window can be made transparent right now :)
[10:19] <arunkale> abattoir: how?
[10:20] <abattoir> arunkale: click on the icon on the window decoration(top left corner, next to the title)
[10:20] <abattoir> go to configure window behaviour
[10:20] <abattoir> click on Translucency
[10:20] <molily> can anyone show me a standard grub.conf for kubuntu? the installer crashed because i already had grub installed (i'd like to have gentoo and kubuntu on different partitions). the boot partition has the kernel and the init ramdisk image, but i don't know how to boot them.
[10:20] <Jucato> abattoir: that would only work if composite is enabled in xorg.conf
[10:20] <abattoir> Jucato: yes
[10:20] <arunkale> abattoir: it says translucency support is new and might cause problems
[10:21] <abattoir> Jucato: which is the next step :)
[10:21] <Jucato> abattoir: I also don't recommend it
[10:21] <Jucato> kompmgr is buggy... personal experience..
[10:21] <abattoir> arunkale: say ok, you can always disable it if it doesnt work for you
[10:21] <Jucato> but probably only on KDE 3.5.4...
[10:21] <arunkale> anyone used amule?
[10:22] <abattoir> Jucato: i've been using it ever since KDE 3.4.x something(iirc), but whatever you say ;)
[10:22] <Jucato> abattoir: I used it in 3.4.3 and 3.5. but this has been the buggiest...
[10:23] <molily> whats wrong with this line? the kernel says it cannot find the boot partition. kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.15-26-386 root=/dev/hda4
[10:24] <eeos> Does anyone know what is a scalable serif font that is on all Linux distrbution?
[10:24] <eeos> and what is a MS Windows scalable serif font that is installed by default?
[10:24] <eeos> ah! Hi all, by the way!
[10:25] <Riddell> Deja Vu
[10:25] <Riddell> Times New Roman
[10:27] <eeos> ta!
[10:27] <eeos> Riddell Deja Vu is on all the liux distributions by defaut?
[10:28] <eeos> Riddell and it is fully scalable (80%, 88% blah, blah)?
[10:28] <batang_lb> where can i find the games in linux
[10:28] <abattoir> !games
[10:28] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php
[10:28] <abattoir> batang_lb: ^^ that should get you started
[10:28] <abattoir> batang_lb: you can also browse in adept for games
[10:29] <arunkale> i can move between windows just by scrolling my middle mouse button.. that's like wow
[10:30] <drpepper> arunkale: how?
[10:30] <arunkale> scroll mouse
[10:30] <drpepper> ah i can too
[10:30] <abattoir> arunkale: if you have multiple desktops(which is on by default), you could set it up so that scrolling on the desktop switches between the various desktops :)
[10:30] <arunkale> awesome
[10:31] <batang_lb> thanks abattoir. i'll try that.
[10:31] <arunkale> apparently i can do both
[10:31] <Jucato> or you can set KDE to move windows to different desktops by "throwing"/dragging them to the sides of the screen...
[10:31] <arunkale> if i hover my cursor over the desktop buttons
[10:32] <Riddell> eeos: all within the last 6 months, use Bitstream Vera for compatibility with older ones
[10:32] <arunkale> the antialiasing for fonts could be slightly better in kubuntu..
[10:33] <arunkale> some letters  appear distorted sometimes.. such as the lower part of 's'
[10:33] <ubuntu> hi there
[10:33] <arunkale> hi
[10:34] <arunkale> any way i can fine tune the anti aliasing? what exactly is 'hinting'?
[10:35] <ninHer> hi all
[10:35] <fragske> im trying to compile nvidia drivers but it says i need to install my systems libc files? but i'm not really sure after which package i have to go look for?
[10:38] <arunkale> hi ninHer
[10:38] <ninHer> hi arunkale
[10:38] <arunkale> how are you?
[10:38] <arunkale> btw, does anyone here run any program using wine?
[10:38] <abattoir> arunkale: sure.. System settings/Kcontrol->Appearance...->Fonts
[10:38] <jamadagni> arunkale
[10:38] <jamadagni> yeah i do
[10:39] <arunkale> okay.. is there any way i can change that dull grey colour and the fonts for windows apps?
[10:39] <molily> can someone please give me a standard grub.conf for kubuntu?
[10:39] <Jucato> fragske: you need to install "build-essential" to install all those packages that would be needed for compiling/building
[10:40] <eeos> Riddell thanks a lot for your suggestions!
[10:41] <fragske> aha thanks!
[10:41] <molily> whats wrong with this one? http://nopaste.php-q.net/239584
[10:42] <molily> i have a boot partition at /dev/hda1 and kubuntu resides on /dev/hda4
[10:45] <|GaiJin|> molily: you say you have kubuntu on hda4??
[10:46] <|GaiJin|> then I belive: root (hd0,3)
[10:46] <|GaiJin|> ehm
[10:47] <|GaiJin|> my mistake
[10:47] <molily> i thought root refers to the boot partition where the kernel lies?
[10:47] <|GaiJin|> I misunderstood
[10:47] <Jucato> the root line refers to where /boot is, root= refers to what partition will be used as root, IIRC
[10:49] <drpepper> heres a question for ya
[10:50] <drpepper> how come in gnome the taskbar shows windows open per desktop
[10:50] <drpepper> and in KDE it shows ALL open program for ALL desktops
[10:50] <|GaiJin|> you can't configure that??
[10:50] <Jucato> well, maybe because that's how GNOME does things and how KDE does things?
[10:51] <Jucato> by default...
[10:51] <molily> the kernel is booting, but it says it can't find the root partition. the kubuntu installer crashed, maybe kubuntu isn't installed correctly? how can i see if the partition is bootable?
[10:52] <DaSkreech> drpepper: Right Clik -> Konfigure -> Tascbar -> Show Windows from all Desctops
[10:52] <drpepper> DaSkreech the thing is that im now using KDE and only want whats in each desktop to appear in teh taskbar
[10:53] <DaSkreech> drpepper: Follow what I just said
[10:53] <arunkale> in the configure option for antialiasing fonts, what exactly does 'hinting' do
[10:54] <drpepper> ah DaSkreech i got it
[10:54] <drpepper> thnx
[10:55] <|GaiJin|> what is the command to open a program as root??
[10:55] <das-q> |GaiJin|: sudo <cmd>
[10:56] <|GaiJin|> I was thinking of making an icon htat opened Kate with root user by the click of a button
[10:56] <das-q> |GaiJin|: why would you open kate with root permission?
[10:57] <grizzly> |GaiJin|: kdesu kate should do it
[10:57] <|GaiJin|> oki... thanks
[10:58] <molily> hm, i'll try to install kubuntu again.
[11:00] <fragske> im back :)
[11:01] <fragske> i managed to compile my nvidia driver
[11:01] <tobeco> does any one know a good howto for setting up dns-server
[11:01] <fragske> but still can't start X
[11:01] <fragske> (EE) Failed to load module "glx" (a required submodule could not be loaded, 0)
[11:01] <fragske> does that mean i still have to install nvidia-glx ?
[11:01] <fragske> even if i ran the nvidia installer?
[11:03] <neil> I have GTk GUI I am useing a toggle button to indicate a program state, does anyone know how to make it ignore being clicked?
[11:04] <das-q> fragske: I don't know if it's the right thing to do for when you used the nvidia-installer, but usually you would install it like this: "sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx", but checkout the forum's to be sure
[11:04] <fragske> yeah that's what i need to know
[11:04] <fragske> im pretty sure i never had to do that when using gentoo
[11:04] <fragske> i think it's part of the installer
[11:05] <das-q> fragske: I've used the "automatix"-script for nvidia-driver-installation, it's been quite some time since I last installed it by hand
[11:10] <cvt> can i get abiword to always open without border space formatting?
[11:13] <arunkale> i really need a portal type cms.. to create a community.. anyone have any recommendations? an easily skinnable one? or one with good themes available?
[11:20] <neil> I have GTk GUI I am useing a toggle button to indicate a program state, does anyone know how to make it ignore being clicked?
[11:21] <berre> hoi
[11:22] <cvt> is spyware very plausible on linux?
[11:25] <aseigo> neil: i'd ask in a gtk channel rather than a kde-centric distro channel =)
[11:25] <aseigo> cvt: plausible, sure
[11:26] <Skrot_> Hi. How is support for the Core 2 Duo processor in Kubuntu?
[11:29] <cvt> aseigo,  ever since i clicked a malicious link i've been seeing strange behaviors on my browsers
[11:29] <cvt> are there any spyware or virus scanners on linux; do i need a firewall?
[11:30] <Skrot_> There are virus scanners, but I doubt you need a firewall unless you run a lot of servers on the computer
[11:31] <Skrot_> What sort of strange behaviour do you experience?
[11:31] <aseigo> there aren't any viruses out in the wild that i know of for linux; a firewall can't hurt as an extra line of defence (and linux comes with one by default)... i'd be surprised if you've gotten malware, but would be a nice sign we're getting more attention ;) are you using firefox?
[11:36] <neil> aseigo: I have but no-one has answered, there isn't any traffic there at all.
[11:36] <josef> does somebody knows yahoo messenger for kubuntu or not
[11:37] <cvt>        Skrot_ , window shapes are random, minimizing and maximizing evokes strange shapes and sizes, always freezing when i go to close.
[11:37] <cvt> etc
[11:38] <cvt> aseigo,  yes. also, konqueror
[11:39] <konrad1207> helo all
[11:41] <konrad1207> does anybody know how to configure virtual terminals
[11:41] <konrad1207> which file
[11:41] <konrad1207> edit
[11:41] <konrad1207> ?
[11:44] <halfbloodprince> umm.. i installed yahoo messenger using wine, it installed properly
[11:45] <halfbloodprince> i'm trying to run it from the terminal using $ wine "C:\\Program Files\\Yahoo!\\Common\\Yshortcut.exe" and it gives me this error: bash: !\\Common\\Yshortcut.exe: event not found
[11:45] <halfbloodprince> any ideas?
[11:46] <fragske> isn't yahoo messenger on the same protocol as jabber?
[11:47] <emonkey> fragske, googletalk is the same protocol
[11:48] <fragske> ah
[11:48] <fragske> don't really know as I don't use yahoo messenger
[11:48] <halfbloodprince> why does it give a bash: error
[11:49] <emonkey> me neither
[11:49] <abattoir> halfbloodprince: not sure, but are double slashes necessary?
[11:49] <halfbloodprince> i think so
[11:49] <fragske> heh
[11:49] <fragske> i never used double slashes voor wine
[11:49] <fragske> try it without double clashes
[11:49] <fragske> slashes
[11:50] <halfbloodprince> it gives me an error even with single slashes
[11:50] <fragske> normally there should be a .wine folder in your home directory
[11:50] <halfbloodprince> yeah there is
[11:50] <fragske> well go there
[11:51] <halfbloodprince> fragske: how do you run programs
[11:51] <fragske> cd /home/prince/.wine/drive_c/
[11:51] <fragske> there is your program files folder aswell
[11:51] <fragske> open it
[11:51] <halfbloodprince> yeah
[11:51] <fragske> go to yahoo
[11:51] <halfbloodprince> yeah
[11:51] <fragske> and try in the yahoo dir
[11:51] <halfbloodprince> just double clicking on the file?
[11:51] <fragske> wine Yshortcut.exe
[11:51] <fragske> ah
[11:51] <fragske> right click and open with wine
[11:55] <halfbloodprince> fragske: the yshortcut.exe appears to be in the Yahoo!/common directory
[11:56] <halfbloodprince> and when i try to access this directory from the terminal it gives that error
[11:57] <fragske> then i don't have an idea what that the problem could be sorry =/
[11:57] <fragske> but isn't there a linux alternative for yahoomessenger?
[11:58] <cvt> skype
[11:58] <emonkey> fragske, kopete
[11:58] <halfbloodprince> i tried running it by right clicking/opening with wine.. and it goes to the taskbar, and the hourglass rotates for a while, and it just disappears
[11:59] <fragske> you could try crossover office
[11:59] <fragske> but that's not free, but if you look hard enough :)
[12:00] <fragske> anyways, gonna try to get nvidia working agian
[12:05] <halfbloodprince> i guess wine doesn't support yahoo messenger 7
[12:05] <halfbloodprince> how do i uninstall it?
[12:06] <main2x> wine?
[12:06] <tchung> gaim?
[12:07] <CVirus> LOL
[12:07] <aseigo> kopete
[12:07] <halfbloodprince> how do i uninstall something i've installed in wine?
[12:07] <main2x> yeah yeah.. my penis
[12:07] <main2x> halfbloodprince, you should have a wine folder in you personal folder ... which on its term
[12:07] <main2x> contains the install data
[12:07] <CVirus> main2x: whats with it ?
[12:07] <main2x> ~/wine or something..
[12:07] <aseigo> main2x: your penis does yahoo messenger? wow.
[12:07] <main2x> aseigo, my messenger only does girls ;) sry
[12:08] <halfbloodprince> it's .wine
[12:08] <halfbloodprince> it is at home/username/.wine/
[12:08] <main2x> yeah, and in there - you have a folder containing ur installation stuff
[12:08] <halfbloodprince> what do i do there
[12:08] <main2x> what folders you got there?
[12:08] <halfbloodprince> Program Files
[12:08] <halfbloodprince> windows
[12:09] <main2x> delete yahoo from the program files folder
[12:09] <pointy_> aseigo: both kinds exists :p
[12:10] <halfbloodprince> that's it?
[12:10] <halfbloodprince> i just have to delete it? nothin else?
[12:11] <main2x> halfbloodprince, what is in windows?..
[12:11] <main2x> nothin..
[12:11] <main2x> but i mean the windowsfolder..
[12:11] <eeos> does anybody know if the package SFLphone - 0.7.0 is in the edgy eft repository and where it is?
[12:12] <main2x> have you checked with adept...
[12:12] <main2x> if its in multivers
[12:12] <main2x> ?
[12:13] <eeos> main2x is not in dapper, and i am installing edgy in a chroot so adept is not there yet
[12:15] <halfbloodprince> main2x: windows folder has normal windows files
[12:15] <main2x> halfbloodprince, then thats clean
[12:15] <main2x> so there's nothin left i guess =) thats nice
[12:16] <halfbloodprince> but yahoo still shows up in kmenu > wine > program files > yahoo
[12:16] <mindspin> Today I tested my wireless on a t40, the network seemed to be found, but I get this syslog entry:http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23432
[12:16] <mindspin> so I had no connection at all...
[12:17] <pointy_> okay, I seem to have some problems with updating my system - I don't understand why I don't get the latest Konversation (1.0). my sources and various apt-cache output can be seen here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23431
[12:17] <pointy_> halfbloodprince: just open the menu editor and remove it :)
[12:19] <halfbloodprince> pointy_: thanks
[12:19] <pointwood> np
[12:21] <main2x> halfbloodprince, dont use wine
[12:21] <main2x> only for photoshop or dreamweaver if you really need it
[12:21] <main2x> :P
[12:22] <TheFuzzball> is there a way to install
[12:22] <TheFuzzball> 
[12:22] <TheFuzzball> Guidance Power Manager
[12:22] <TheFuzzball> in Dapper?
[12:22] <TheFuzzball> Guidance Power Manager
[12:22] <octan_> hi all
[12:23] <halfbloodprince> main2x: i need to use the photo sharing feature in yahoo
[12:23] <main2x> photo sharing?
[12:23] <octan_> is ther a 64 bit version of kubuntu?
[12:23] <main2x> halfbloodprince, use kopete / amsn or something..
[12:24] <octan_> amsn is great
[12:24] <octan_> betther than kopete is you only need msn
[12:24] <octan_> blah,... 64 bit guys
[12:25] <octan_> is there one
[12:25] <main2x> i got a .deb file (for ubuntu) which i would like to install
[12:25] <octan_> so?
[12:25] <main2x> how do i use a local .deb file with apt?
[12:25] <octan_> dpkg -i file.deb
[12:25] <octan_> thats how to install
[12:26] <main2x> ok cool.. didnt know the debianpackagemanager yet..
[12:26] <TheFuzzball> does anyone have a .deb file for the Guidence Power Manager for Dapper?
[12:26] <main2x> is apt using this in the backend?
[12:31] <emonkey> main2x, yes it does
[12:31] <emonkey> as far as i know
[12:43] <main2x> i would like to install the latest videolan from with the dependency's (which are shown within the same 'tree')
[12:43] <main2x> http://nightlies.videolan.org/build/dapper-i386/vlc/0.8.5.final.1/
[12:44] <main2x> what is the proper way to do this?
[12:44] <main2x> ive downloaded 'vlc_0.8.5.final.1-0ubuntu2_i386.deb' with the other dependencies in one folder on my local HD
[12:45] <main2x> how do i install this package in such way that it picks the dependency's from the same folder?
[12:49] <shantanu> how do i find out what my viewport manager is?
[12:52] <Pensacola> how can I reconfigure my kernel? the ubuntu help site seems to be down
[12:52] <Pensacola> I need to remove usplash
[12:52] <Pensacola> upower I mean
[12:55] <stefano> ciao a tutti
[12:57] <octan_> is ther any bugs with the 64 bit version?
[01:09] <scorpion007> Hi, does anyone know how to turn up midi volume? It plays very quiet compared to everything else
[01:13] <main2x> scorpion007, try #alsa as well
[01:13] <main2x> i got a broken package, i removed vlc with adept but it was still running
[01:13] <main2x> now my package is broken, i cant reinstall it - or remove it
[01:13] <main2x> what should i do? :'(
[01:14] <eeos> main2x could explain exactly which package and what did you do?
[01:16] <main2x> eeos, well vlc 0.8.4 was installed but i wanned to install 0.8.5 from the nightlies.videolan.org server
[01:16] <eeos> what did you do?
[01:16] <main2x> so i tought, lets remove 0.8.4
[01:17] <main2x> so i started adept, selected it - and said 'request removal'
[01:17] <main2x> then applied the 'changes'
[01:17] <main2x> it looked like everything went well, so i added nightlies.videolan.org to my sources.list
[01:17] <Fade> hrmn.
[01:17] <main2x> looked for vlc in adept, selected it - request install - apply
[01:18] <main2x> but now it says 'BREAK (install)' on all videolan packages :( :( :(
[01:18] <Fade> I'm tracking edgy, and wondering what happened to the setting that allowed you to <modkey>-<tab> through running programs.
[01:19] <main2x> is it possible to use something to cleanout vlc totally?
[01:19] <Fade> anybody know where it has gone? :)
[01:19] <eeos> main2x yes
[01:19] <eeos> main2x wait
[01:19] <main2x> ok, rb (need a drink - going crazy here)
[01:22] -NichSrev:#kubuntu- Somebody have sent you an message, to read it type: /server read 1
[01:23] -NichSrev:#kubuntu- Somebody have sent you an message, to read it type: /server read 1
[01:23] <gan|y|med> hi
[01:23] <gan|y|med> i wanna have page numbering in ooo, but the fist page should not be numbered. how do i do that?
[01:23] <Ash-Fox> Don't do that.
[01:24] <Ash-Fox> Someone is trying to trick you with -NichSrev:#kubuntu- Somebody have sent you an message, to read it type: /server read 1 <- they're trying to make you quit.
[01:24] <Ash-Fox> !ops
[01:24] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatric, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak or Hawkwind
[01:24] -NichSrev:#kubuntu- Somebody have sent you an message, to read it type: /server read 1
[01:24] <Ash-Fox> main2x, ignore -NichSrev:#kubuntu- Somebody have sent you an message, to read it type: /server read 1
[01:25] <Ash-Fox> he's trying to trick you to disconnect.
 main2x, ignore -NichSrev:#kubuntu- Somebody have sent you an message, to read it type: /server read 1
[01:25] <main2x> what the hell is this...
[01:25] <Ash-Fox> !kops
[01:25] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatric, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak or Hawkwind
[01:25] <main2x> eeos, sorry something went wrong
[01:25] <eeos> main2x do not worry
[01:26] <Ash-Fox> imbrandon, thanks :)
[01:26] <main2x> eeos, i do worry about vlc :( (a lot, more then a lot)
[01:26] <main2x> eeos, i tought that you had send me a message..
[01:26] <kbrooks> Hi :P
[01:27] <eeos> main2x sudo dpkg --configure -a
[01:27] <Ash-Fox> Hello kbrooks.
[01:27] <eeos> main2x yes, tried but do not worry
[01:27] <kbrooks> I don't intend to advertise here, or anything like that
[01:27] <kbrooks> brb
[01:27] <main2x> eeos, done
[01:27] <main2x> gave no output
[01:28] <eeos> main2x ah!
[01:28] <eeos> try dpkg -l '*vlc*'
[01:28] <eeos> main2x and tell me the status of the vlc packages
[01:29] <main2x> http://pastebin.ca/170103
[01:29] <main2x> ^^ its installed without deps, thats how it looks like?
[01:29] <gan|y|med> can nobody help me with ooo writer?
[01:30] <eeos> main2x now sudo dpkg purge name of the package, one by one or all in a long line
[01:30] <main2x> eeos, geen=none in dutch, and 'geen beschrijving' is no description :P
[01:31] <main2x> all the missing ones from the list right?
[01:32] <eeos> main2x all the ones that are marked un in the list
[01:34] <main2x> eeos, done that
[01:34] <eeos> main2x ok, now check again with adept they should have been purged
[01:35] <main2x> the ones which where not installed returned 'will be ignored, because its not installed'
[01:35] <main2x> and i should be able to reinstall vlc now?
[01:35] <eeos> main2x yes
[01:36] <main2x> if i select vlc and then request install 'BREAK (install)'
[01:37] <superposi> nass
[01:37] <eeos> main2x could you please dpkg -l again?
[01:37] <eeos> main2x sorry, dpkg -l *vlc*
[01:38] <main2x> done - none of them are installed
[01:39] <eeos> could you please show me the output?
[01:40] <main2x> eeos, i hardly dare to tell you what went wrong.. :X
[01:40] <eeos> main2x did you discover?
[01:40] <main2x> ive made a copy/paste error, the repos i added to my sources.list was 'breezy'
[01:41] <main2x> :| *beat me with a bat*
[01:41] <main2x> copy pasting 'deb http://nightlies.videolan.org/build/dapper-i386 /' went a bit weird..
[01:41] <eeos> main2x you fully deserve it :D :D :D :D
[01:42] <main2x> i expected a name instead of a / on the end or the / to be connected i386/ ..
[01:42] <main2x> the packages are fixed now, but one thing is sure - i learned a lot =)
[01:42] <main2x> and wasted your valuable time
[01:42] <main2x> sorry eeos
[01:42] <eeos> main2x do not woryy it happens :D
[01:42] <eeos> main2x talk to you later, I need some food
[01:43] <main2x> ok, enjoy your food :)
[01:45] <kOpter> Yello :) I've got a question.
[01:45] <kOpter> I've just installed a clear ubuntu, and now I wanted to apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[01:45] <main2x> k0pter, sup?
[01:46] <kOpter> And then I get: The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[01:46] <kOpter>   kubuntu-desktop: Depends: language-selector-qt but it is not going to be installed
[01:46] <kOpter> E: Broken packages
[01:46] <kOpter> Googling got me people with the same problems, but now answers.. I seems to me that a package is just really broken
[01:46] <main2x> auch
[01:47] <kOpter> I've also found it in the kubuntu bug-tracker.. but that doesn't help me much either :)
[01:48] <main2x> what is the status of the track report?
[01:48] <kamallo> hi everybody
[01:48] <Kiongku> hi anyone knows how to mount an ntfs drive?
[01:50] <kOpter> Main2x> Don't know.. i've seem to have closed it.. I think it was just a report of the error, dating about 3 weeks ago
[01:50] <psb154> kiongku, man fstab that should help.
[01:54] <sorush20> http://gimp.org/tutorials/Smart_Sharpening/ this tutorial is really out of date..
[01:55] <kamallo> Does anybody know where to find md5 sums for kubuntu-6.06.1-dvd-i386.iso? Mirror sites only have 6.06 versions, I downloaded it from bittorrent... Thank you.
[01:55] <sorush20> wrong channel
[01:56] <Riddell> kamallo: http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/kubuntu/releases/6.06.1/release/MD5SUMS
[01:57] <kamallo> Thank you but that is 6.06 not 6.06.1
[01:57] <kamallo> teven if the path says that
[01:58] <kamallo> just controlled inside the files
[02:00] <Riddell> kamallo: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/kubuntu/releases/6.06.1/release.1/MD5SUMS
[02:01] <kamallo> thank you, that one is good :)
[02:03] <kamallo> what is that "edgy" release?
[02:03] <kamallo> is that stable?
[02:09] <kamallo> thank you, bye
[02:10] <angasule> !wolfenstein
[02:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wolfenstein - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:11] <Kiongku> !anything
[02:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about anything - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:12] <angasule> hmm, really, there are no games :/
[02:13] <psb154> angasule, are you looking for linux games?
[02:13] <angasule> psb154: yeah
[02:13] <psb154> angasule, do you have a good graphics card?
[02:13] <mikki> how do i change the dispay driver?
[02:13] <angasule> the kubuntu repos seem to have almost nothing available
[02:14] <psb154> angasule, have you tried UT2004? or PlaneShift?
[02:14] <angasule> psb154: yeah, I'm not a newbie, just wondering where the games are :) got a GF 4 Ti 4200, doom 3 runs just fine, although oblivion probably wouldn't heh
[02:14] <cima> why i can't use apt get?
[02:15] <angasule> psb154: eeh, free games :)
[02:15] <mikki> how do i change the dispay driver?
[02:15] <angasule> cima: be more specific, what error do you get? what command did you use?
[02:16] <psb154> angasule, I use www.linuxgames.com to get free games.
[02:16] <angasule> psb154: you don't use repos?
[02:17] <psb154> angasule, not sure what you mean.
[02:17] <angasule> psb154: repositories, for kubuntu, do you just download the source or what?
[02:18] <egarim> how could i remove a package and all his dependency ?
[02:18] <cima_> i want to upgrade
[02:18] <cima_> update
[02:19] <psb154> angasule, normally, for me, all I do is untar the downloads, don't have to compile them. I have spent a lot of time paying PlaneShift lately.
[02:20] <angasule> cima_: what error do you get?
[02:20] <angasule> psb154: oh, ok
[02:20] <cima_> i could not connect
[02:21] <cima_> connection timed out
[02:31] <Blaat_> hello, can someone help me with installing neverwinter nights? I used some graphical installer to do it, but when i try to run it(#sh nwn) it says acces denied ./nwmain, i tried to install it manually using biowares instructions, but this gives me the same result, the permissions for the nwn directory are set to read+write and execute for every user...
[02:35] <Blaat_> hello, can someone help me with installing neverwinter nights? I used some graphical installer to do it, but when i try to run it(#sh nwn) it says acces denied ./nwmain, i tried to install it manually using biowares instructions, but this gives me the same result, the permissions for the nwn directory are set to read+write and execute for every user... am i doing something wrong?
[02:42] <ivens> a
[02:45] <mikki> how do i change the resolution on my display ?
[02:45] <Jucato> mikki: System Settings > Display
[02:46] <mikki> that just gives me one option 640x480
[02:47] <Jucato> mikki: what video card are you using? perhaps the proper resolution was not detected during installation?
[02:47] <mikki> NVIDIA GeForce Go 7200
[02:48] <mikki> but this just happend i have had more resolution
[02:49] <flaccid> how can i undelete a file i just deleted from ext2 partition? omg i can't believe i deleted this file
[02:49] <Jucato> mikki: in System Settings > Display > Hardware tab, check if you're using the "nv" driver and your monitor has been detected properly
[02:49] <Jucato> flaccid: if you deleted from the command line, you're quite out of luck...
[02:49] <zinfacter> Hey, for some reason I can't play mp3s, they show up in amaroK but when played they don't work
[02:50] <Jucato> zinfacter: Kubuntu doesn't come with out of the box support for MP3's. you need to install the proper codec, called "libxine-extracodecs"
[02:50] <mikki> Graphics card: VESA driver, driver: vesa
[02:50] <zinfacter> how do i get that? and is install easy?
[02:50] <Jucato> zinfacter: libxine-extracodecs is in the multiverse section. you need to enable that section
[02:50] <Jucato> !repos > zinfacter
[02:50] <Jucato> follow that link
[02:51] <zinfacter> ok
[02:51] <Jucato> mikki: click on the Administrator mode and configure the graphics card driver and set it to "nv"
[02:52] <mikki> i dont have any options there
[02:52] <Jucato> zinfacter: once you have enabled "multiverse", you can install libxine-extracodecs like you would install any other program, either in Adept or in the command line
[02:52] <Jucato> mikki: no options where?
[02:52] <flaccid> Jucato: i've read its possible on ext2 but not ext3
[02:53] <Jucato> mikki: near the bottom, there's an "Administrator Mode..." button, click on that then on the Configure button of the Graphics card
[02:53] <Jucato> flaccid: I heard about that, too. but I'm not sure how it can be done from the command line
[02:54] <flaccid> i guess i'm lazy to google this again
[02:54] <Jucato> :(
[02:54] <octan_> do i need other repos for kubuntu 64 bit version?
[02:55] <mikki> ok but i cant se my graphic card
[02:55] <Jucato> mikki: use "nv" which is the open source nvidia driver for Linux
[02:56] <Jucato> or you can install a non-free (proprietary) nvidia driver, but will require you to make some extra steps and installations
[02:56] <Jucato> the advantage is that you will have 3rd hardware acceleration with the proprietary nvidia driver.
[02:57] <beligum> Did any of you see Trolltech's Greenphone? Great phone, price on the other hand...
[02:58] <Jucato> beligum: heh... it's a developer's/geek's toy. :)
[02:58] <beligum> yeah, I know, but still
[02:58] <Jucato> beligum: how's screenkast coming along?
[02:58] <beligum> I officially hate packaging
[02:58] <Jucato> :P
[02:58] <mikki> ok, done that, but still dont got any higher resolution
[02:59] <mikki> do i need to reboot ?
[02:59] <Jucato> mikki: can you now set a higher resolution?
[02:59] <Jucato> no need to reboot
[02:59] <Jucato> you just have to restart X (by pressing Ctrl+Alt+Backspace. but save/close everything else first)
[02:59] <xwolf-> can anyone recommend me a good downloader?
[02:59] <xwolf-> not CLI, please.
[02:59] <Jucato> KGet :P
[03:00] <beligum> Jucato, are you a experienced packager?
[03:00] <Jucato> beligum: not even a novice packager...
[03:00] <xwolf-> Jucato does kget comply with firefox's flashgot?
[03:00] <Jucato> xwolf-: yes
[03:00] <Jucato> let me double check
[03:00] <xwolf-> great, thank you.
[03:01] <xwolf-> checking too :>
[03:01] <vhogemann> Hi
[03:01] <vhogemann> Anybody here has an Acer Travelmate notebook?
[03:01] <Jucato> xwolf-: yes it works
[03:01] <Jucato> I have it here in FF
[03:01] <xwolf-> good. thanks again
[03:01] <beligum> Jucato, is it too late to look for an external packager?
[03:02] <Jucato> beligum: for Edgy, I'm not sure. but anyway universe freeze comes at a much later stage than main freeze
[03:03] <beligum> when is the Edgy release planned ?
[03:03] <xwolf-> Edgy Eel? :P
[03:03] <Jucato> Edgy Eft. I think Oct. 26
[03:03] <Jucato> if all goes as planned, that is...
[03:03] <beligum> k
[03:10] <ThomasZ> hi, network question.  My wireless is auto-initialized as eth1. Which I didn't configure (in /etc/network/options).  And its wrong since I need ndiswrapper.   How do I stop kubuntu auto-adding that interface??
[03:10] <seth|away> ThomasZ, you can try /etc/iftab and make sure it's not initializing there
[03:11] <ThomasZ> seth|away: ah! it is!  I never heard of that file before...
[03:12] <matlec> are there any plans for a standardized wlan configuration in edgy?
[03:13] <vhogemann> I found that networkmanager configure my both cards, wired and wireless, correctly
[03:13] <matlec> for wpa also=
[03:14] <vhogemann> ThomasZ, try installing network-manager and kdenetworkmanager
[03:14] <vhogemann> ThomasZ, its the best interface for wifi configuration that I ever found under Linux
[03:14] <ThomasZ> ugh, and the whole of gnome comes along.. :(
[03:15] <matlec> then why is this not included in a default install?
[03:15] <lupine_85> if the interface is showing up, you shouldn't need to use ndiswrapper!
[03:15] <vhogemann> ThomasZ, it doesnt deppends on gnome or gtk libs
[03:15] <sredna> Hi
[03:16] <vhogemann> Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.4-1), libdbus-1-2 (>= 0.60), libdbus-glib-1-2 (>= 0.60), libgcrypt11 (>= 1.2.2), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.10.0), libgpg-error0 (>= 1.1), libhal1 (>= 0.5), libiw28 (>= 27+28pre13), libnl1-pre6, libnm-util0, iproute, ifupdown, dhcdbd (>= 1.10-0ubuntu2), lsb-base (>= 2.0-6), wpasupplicant
[03:16] <ThomasZ> lupine_85: thas the point; it uses some driver from the kernel and the driver tells me it can't find any hardware (so why is it loaded!!) and now ndiswrapper doesn't do anything anymore :(
[03:16] <vhogemann> ThomasZ, no gnome here
[03:16] <ThomasZ> vhogemann: 'network-manager' ?
[03:17] <lupine_85> if the driver isn't using the hardware, ndiswrapper can
[03:17] <ThomasZ> vhogemann: ah, the 'depends' doesn't show that indeed.  Doing an 'aptitude install' gives me packages like libgconf2-4 libgnomecanvas2-common etc
[03:17] <lupine_85> incidentally, the networking tab in System Settings does a pretty good job
[03:17] <lupine_85> now I must go
[03:17] <vhogemann> ThomasZ, apt-get wont give you that
[03:18] <Aircobra> hi
[03:18] <vhogemann> ThomasZ, I think aptitude defaults on network-manager-gnome... when what you really want is kdenetworkmanager
[03:18] <ThomasZ> lupine_85: tried it :)  No luck
[03:18] <malkavian> hello all.... ahh... on kubuntu i must manual install mp3 codecs?
[03:18] <ThomasZ> vhogemann: ugh, indeed.
[03:19] <Aircobra> malkavian: yes
[03:19] <vhogemann> ThomasZ, aptitude is nice... but you cant trust it always
[03:22] <Jucato> malkavian: yes. install "libxine-extracodecs" from the "multiverse" repositories. to enable multiverse follow this link
[03:22] <Jucato> !repos
[03:22] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[03:23] <b0uncer> hello everyone
[03:28] <tchung> hi
[03:31] <ThomasZ> hmm. Anyone can tell me how to disable the function at startup where it asks for the rootpwd or ctrl-d on an error? I want the bug to be silently ignored.
[03:32] <ThomasZ> (since its a bug in mount, not my fault)
[03:33] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[03:35] <wayne__> how do i get and load a driver for my nic card on my laptop with ubuntu
[03:36] <wayne__> my wireless works, just not the lan
[03:38] <tchung> maybe you should ask your questions at #ubuntu
[03:41] <wayne__> im using kubuntu
[03:43] <b0uncer> wayne_ what's the chipset your nic uses
[03:44] <wayne__> intel
[03:44] <wayne__> its a dell e1505 laptop
[03:45] <b0uncer> try 'modprobe eepro100' or 'modprobe e100' on the console, if those would work
[03:45] <b0uncer> I have no idea, just googled :)
[03:46] <XVampireX> Hey, Can I check somewhere in /proc what my type of ram is?
[03:53] <ThomasZ> XVampireX: try reading your /var/log/messages. It has your boot log and IIRC there it goes over your memory stuff.
[03:53] <XVampireX> thanks
[03:54] <ThomasZ> Anyone know why lsmod output is so long?  Or in other words; who loads all those modules and how do I stop it ?
[03:54] <b0uncer> ThomasZ: your operating system, it seems
[03:55] <b0uncer> probably init scripts do most of that
[03:55] <XVampireX> Nothing there
[03:56] <ThomasZ> well, I checked and can't find anything. Its not suppost to load those on boot, I expect modules to only get loaded when I add them to /etc/modules
[03:59] <Trae> Who would you guys consider be one of the best "
[03:59] <Trae> err...
[03:59] <Trae> best "KDE" themer?
[04:00] <Jucato> ?
[04:00] <Trae> Better question, can you provide me a screenshot of what you consider a "sexy" KDE desktop?
[04:01] <chrismir> look around on http://www.kde-look.org/
[04:02] <NthDegree> Trae 1 sec
[04:03] <NthDegree> http://img165.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot1rx2.png
[04:03] <NthDegree> my KDE desktop
[04:06] <b0uncer> hey do you guys know if Sony E002 mp3 player works on Linux? It says it requires SonicStage, but then again claims to be able to "play mp3 directly", whatever it means...
[04:06] <b0uncer> anybody have experience?
[04:06] <b0uncer> it's a regular usb stick -look-a-like flash player, but I don't know if it works as a mass storage player
[04:07] <matlec> b0uncer: does it have a somewhat weird directory structure?
[04:07] <vhogemann> b0uncer, you have one... or are you planning to buy one?
[04:08] <b0uncer> vhogemann: I bought one, but it's meant to be a gift so I can't test with it..it's packaged already
[04:08] <b0uncer> I'm not sure about the dir structure
[04:08] <matlec> I own a similar model which is definitely incompatible with linux
[04:08] <b0uncer> the guy who sold it claimed it's just "drag and drop" player, but the package itself gives a different illusion..
[04:08] <b0uncer> oh man
[04:09] <b0uncer> then it's going to be a troublemaker
[04:09] <Trae> NthDegree: yeah, that's the sort of look I'm trying to avoid... things like the .....................................   on the seperator bars annoy the crap out of me
[04:09] <matlec> it seems so :-(
[04:09] <b0uncer> matlec: any hopes to get it run on Linux, no?
[04:09] <b0uncer> sonicstage through wine is not an option :P
[04:09] <matlec> for my model at least: no
[04:09] <Trae> everyone single "theme" or "style" seems to be based on the same widget set
[04:10] <matlec> though my model doesn't accept mp3 files
[04:10] <matlec> so maybe there is hope for you :-)
[04:10] <Trae> This is the conflict I always have trying to use KDE.  KDE is flexible, you can do anything and it makese sense.   But every single "style" or theme is just fugly
[04:11] <vhogemann> b0uncer, I think that you're out of luck
[04:11] <Trae> in the end I give up some freedom and go back to a prettier Gnome desktop.
[04:11] <Trae> Trying to get something that doesn't suck.
[04:11] <Admiral_Chicago> b0uncer, i don't know is it a newer gen sony player?
[04:12] <ThomasZ> Trae: I think functionality is more important then looks. If you feel different, then I do think that gnome is for you.
[04:12] <Trae> ThomasZ: heh
[04:12] <Trae> but why can't I have my cake and eat it too? :)
[04:12] <ThomasZ> Trae: its is a known 'problem' that the kde look is too crowded and not clean enough.
[04:12] <matlec> Trae: same widget set? this is called consistency :-)
[04:12] <Trae> ThomasZ: yeah... :/
[04:12] <Admiral_Chicago> my brother had a player and he needed Sonic Stage for it and that thing freaking sucked
[04:13] <ThomasZ> Trae: it takes work and people that know what to look for.  You should help out ;)
[04:13] <Trae> ThomasZ: you are THE first person I've ever met that would admit to it and not go on about "OMG, KDE ROXX)Rz you suck!!! go back to gnome!"
[04:13] <b0uncer> Admiral_Chicago: me neither... http://reviews.cnet.com/Sony_NW_E002_512MB_blue/4507-6490_7-31988576.html says it's specs
[04:13] <Trae> ThomasZ: *chuckle*
[04:13] <oliver> hi ...
[04:13] <Trae> yeah.... I suppose... I know what good looks are, just not how to do it.
[04:14] <Admiral_Chicago> b0uncer, whatever OS it works under...just don't rip stuff to ATRAC
[04:14] <Admiral_Chicago> that format blows
[04:14] <Trae> not on a theme... even GTK themes are a nightmare to work with.
[04:14] <chrismir> Hmm.. why can't I find enemy territory in adept?
[04:14] <Trae> it's the underlying gtk stuff that is better than the qt stuff IMHO (in some areas)
[04:14] <matlec> Admiral_Chicago: actually Atrac has good compression, but it sucks due to drm ;-)
[04:14] <Trae> but then again, there are some butt ugly GTK themes
[04:14] <Admiral_Chicago> matlec, that and you can't change the format to save your life
[04:15] <oliver> i have a little problem running a script in cron.hourly, can you help
[04:15] <matlec> Admiral_Chicago: right
[04:15] <Acidic32> http://217.155.41.189/ <-- http://217.155.41.189/~daniel/snapshots <-- my snapshots of me desktop :P
[04:15] <Trae> so perhaps you can't condem the toolkit itself
[04:15] <ThomasZ> Trae: I've been with kde for a looong time, I know whats wrong with it :)
[04:15] <Trae> ThomasZ: nod... I used it for 3 years... but bailed around 2001 or 2002
[04:15] <Admiral_Chicago> matlec, we ripped CDs that we OWNED and couldn't import it into iTunes
[04:15] <matlec> ThomasZ: maybe you could join the usability team
[04:16] <Admiral_Chicago> that sucked it was a few gigs of music
[04:16] <matlec> Admiral_Chicago: lol, I really hate drm
[04:16] <ThomasZ> Trae: the problem you describe (the head-in-the-sand) is not a kde-specific problem. Most people are that way.
[04:16] <Trae> ThomasZ: got a ss of your desktop?  Perhaps you might have something I could at least live with :)
[04:16] <Admiral_Chicago> matlec, ogg is the best
[04:16] <ThomasZ> matlec: my kde bussines card says I'm on the HCI workgroup ;)
[04:17] <matlec> ThomasZ: ;-) lol
[04:17] <ThomasZ> Trae: well, I reinstalled my machine today. I'm far from happy with it so far ;)
[04:17] <matlec> ThomasZ: so Z stands for Zander? ;-)
[04:17] <Trae> http://occy.net/tmp/screenshots/ss-SEP092006.png
[04:17] <ThomasZ> matlec: yap
[04:17] <Trae> that's a fairly recent gnome desktop
[04:17] <Trae> (it sorta sucks though IMHO)
[04:18] <Trae> http://occy.net/tmp/screenshots/ss-AUG222006.png  this one is a little bit better, but still not quite exciting.
[04:18] <b0uncer> I hate this, again a good mp3 player except for the goddamn software
[04:18] <b0uncer> apple's ipod shuffle is just a similar case, except it works under linux too
[04:18] <b0uncer> creative zen would work except it needs a battery and that sucks :/
[04:18] <ThomasZ> Trae: some things in kubuntu are sweet. Like rounded corners and little attention points like that.
[04:19] <Trae> ThomasZ: nod... and the ability to change colors to styles
[04:19] <chrismir> Anyone can tell me how to install enemy territory? Do I need to add some repository for it, or do I install it by hand?
[04:19] <Trae> those are great points that Gnome would do well to pay attention to.
[04:19] <Trae> I've screamed for years about configurability with gnome, but noone will listen
[04:19] <Trae> and every month or two... I try and use KDE
[04:19] <Trae> heh
[04:20] <Trae> and enjoy it for it's flexibility...
[04:20] <Trae> but end up leaving cause it's not very pretty
[04:20] <ThomasZ> Trae: yeah, all kde themes are code based. So they scale with font and colors.  But its hard to get a coder that knows his graphics ;)
[04:20] <Trae> if I could just tweak it just enough ....
[04:20] <Trae> ;)
[04:20] <Trae> ThomasZ: how can I remove those silly dots?
[04:20] <Trae> on sec, let me ss
[04:22] <ThomasZ> Trae: in kde4 there is a 'lock toolbars' right mouse button menu (well, I think its unlock since locked is the default) so toolbar handles are no more in kde4
[04:22] <Admiral_Chicago> b0uncer, i had trouble with a zen too
[04:23] <Jucato> (or you could just choose to hide the "Applet Handles"...)
[04:23] <Admiral_Chicago> !info enemy territory
[04:23] <ubotu> Package enemy does not exist in dapper
[04:23] <Admiral_Chicago> !info enemyterritory
[04:23] <ubotu> Package enemyterritory does not exist in any distro I know
[04:23] <Admiral_Chicago> chrismir, probably download it somewhere else
[04:24] <chrismir> !info et
[04:24] <ubotu> Package et does not exist in any distro I know
[04:24] <chrismir> mkay
[04:24] <Admiral_Chicago> what is the name of the package i need to install so i can compile from source?
[04:24] <chrismir> other distros do gave it. atleast gentoo and suse
[04:24] <chrismir> gave = have
[04:24] <Admiral_Chicago> its like build tools or something
[04:24] <Admiral_Chicago> chrismir, what does it do
[04:25] <chrismir> oh, you don't know it? its a game
[04:25] <Admiral_Chicago> never heard of it
[04:25] <vhogemann> Admiral_Chicago, build-essential
[04:26] <vhogemann> Admiral_Chicago, aptitude install build-essential --with-recommends
[04:26] <matlec> ThomasZ: btw: what do you think about the step list for kassistantdialog? should I extend it to accept svg art or discard it at all?
[04:26] <Trae> ThomasZ: http://occy.net/tmp/screenshots/kde-ss-09-14-2006.png
[04:26] <Jucato> vhogemann: aptitude's default action is --with-recommends already, IIRC...
[04:27] <Admiral_Chicago> i really don't like that you can't compile from source in ubuntu when it is first installed
[04:27] <Admiral_Chicago> vhogemann, thanks
[04:27] <vhogemann> Admiral_Chicago, you can use apt-build
[04:27] <Admiral_Chicago> i understand apt-get is a great package manager
[04:27] <vhogemann> Admiral_Chicago, apt-build works more or less like Gentoo's emerge
[04:28] <matlec> Trae: those dots indicate that the widget is not fixed in size
[04:28] <Admiral_Chicago> but i'd like better feedback from the konsole
[04:28] <Admiral_Chicago> vhogemann, i mean if i do ./configure
[04:28] <Admiral_Chicago> or folllow the INSTALL file in a source fil
[04:28] <Admiral_Chicago> file*
[04:28] <Trae> matlec: that is the case of course, I don't dispute that... I simply contend it is icky!
[04:29] <matlec> Trae: :-) right
[04:29] <Trae> hehe
[04:29] <Jucato> Trae: it also depends on the settings of the widget style and the widget style you are using. I think some styles don't have that
[04:29] <vhogemann> Admiral_Chicago, well... the "Debian way" is to download the source packages, and let dpkg-buildpackage do the dirt work for you
[04:29] <Admiral_Chicago> they don't typically say "use apt-build" because make, make install, and ./configure should be universal
[04:29] <beast> Trae: try the QtCurve style
[04:29] <Trae> Jucato: nod...
[04:29] <Admiral_Chicago> vhogemann, but the linux way has been DIY for a long time
[04:29] <Trae> beast: heh, that style, IIRC, was a "beast"
[04:29] <Trae> beast: hehe, sorry, couldn't resist
[04:29] <beast> ;)
[04:29] <vhogemann> Admiral_Chicago, not LINUX... GNU way
[04:29] <Jucato> Trae: I'm presuming that's Plastik or one of it's variants (Lipstik or Polyester)
[04:30] <Trae> lipstick
[04:30] <vhogemann> Admiral_Chicago, Linux is just the kernel... the build chain is all GNU
[04:30] <Jucato> ah. I guessed so :)
[04:30] <Admiral_Chicago> ah foiled by the GNU vs Linux thing again
[04:30] <vhogemann> Admiral_Chicago, eheheh
[04:30] <Admiral_Chicago> vhogemann, oh i know but there is a string of GNU / Linux users that get mad if you call it straight Linux
[04:31] <vhogemann> Admiral_Chicago, *BSD has ./configure && make && make install too
[04:31] <Trae> it seemed to look the best out of all...
[04:31] <Admiral_Chicago> vhogemann, ah
[04:31] <vhogemann> ;-D
[04:31] <matlec> Trae: but actually this is not a kde issue
[04:31] <Admiral_Chicago> okay well I need to go to eat breakfast and eat
[04:31] <h3sp4wn> vhogemann: BSD doesn't have that for gnu stuff
[04:31] <Admiral_Chicago> goodbye
[04:31] <ThomasZ> Trae: those dots are part of the style. Easy to remove if you want to alter some code.  Naturally you can find a widget style that doesn't have it as well ;)
[04:32] <h3sp4wn> vhogemann: bsd make doesn't work with most gnu programs
[04:32] <Trae> ThomasZ: "easy to remove"  Why am I hesitant to believe that statement
[04:32] <Trae> ThomasZ: ;)
[04:32] <vhogemann> h3sp4wn, well... probably you can install gnu make to work things out
[04:33] <ThomasZ> Trae: heh. I'm sure if you want you can find a hacker that can work an hour or 2 to remove it.  Not sure who you can convince to do that, but since its open source anyone can do that.
[04:33] <h3sp4wn> vhogemann: You can but you have to use gmake instead of make
[04:33] <Trae> ThomasZ: anyway to get rid of the "frame" of a window....
[04:33] <Trae> ThomasZ: yeah... *sigh*
[04:34] <vhogemann> h3sp4wn, so... ./configure && gmake && gmake install
[04:34] <vhogemann> h3sp4wn, happy? :-D
[04:34] <vhogemann> Heheheh
[04:34] <ThomasZ> Trae: I see your point and I agree partially. This is the short term solution :)   The alternativ is that people should see those dots as otherwise they won't know you can drag it.
[04:34] <Trae> Most would agree, in the GTK world, that Ubuntulooks or Clearlooks is the best GTK theme around at present.   What would you guys consider the best KDE style?
[04:34] <ThomasZ> Trae: the frame of a window can be made 'tiny' in the window decoration.
[04:35] <chrisoverly> i am new to linux... and have a question
[04:35] <chrisoverly> i downloaded tux racer and extracted its two folders
[04:35] <Jucato> I still love Plastik for all it's worth
[04:35] <Jucato> :P
[04:35] <chrisoverly> i am trying to install it
[04:35] <Trae> Jucato: heh
[04:35] <Trae> Jucato: it is not without merrit, I'll give you that.
[04:35] <chrisoverly> i tried running it in a command, but it wouldn't work
[04:36] <Jucato> heh
[04:36] <Parkotron> Trae: Definately Plastik.
[04:36] <vhogemann> chrisoverly, ubuntu has a package for tuxracer... you dont need to download it manually
[04:36] <Trae> chrisoverly: get xmoto!
[04:36] <Trae> chrisoverly: it is a great time waster.
[04:36] <ThomasZ> matlec: I would make the steps very different (so svg preferred) and very simple. So I'm quite unsure if they should be above, I rather liked the idea of them being left.
[04:36] <Parkotron> You can remove the frame and titlebar of a window using the Alt+F3 window menu.
[04:37] <psb154> chrisoverly, try sudo apt-get install planetpenguin-racer
[04:37] <chrisoverly> k
[04:37] <ThomasZ> matlec: and I really don't see the use of all the features you added. basically, the design was fine for me before.
[04:37] <vhogemann> chrisoverly, or just go to you "K" menu and click on "add/remove programs"
[04:38] <chrisoverly> could'nt find package
[04:38] <chrisoverly> i also tried the one they had on their site
[04:38] <chrisoverly> sudo apt-get install tux-racer
[04:38] <Trae> You guys have definately provided some kind and helpful feedback
[04:38] <matlec> ThomasZ: the new features are developed with the use case mentioned by thomas in mind
[04:38] <Trae> Without being defensive.
[04:38] <Trae> Very professional
[04:38] <chrisoverly> the problem is that it is not on the add remove programs list
[04:38] <Parkotron> !repos
[04:38] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[04:39] <matlec> ThomasZ: the setAppropriate way was quite fine if we had a simple assistant
[04:39] <Trae> that's the sort of advocacy we need all around.
[04:39] <Jucato> !tuxracer-extras
[04:39] <ubotu> tuxracer-extras: dummy transition package for tuxracer -> ppracer transition. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5-2 (dapper), package size 4 kB, installed size 40 kB
[04:39] <matlec> ThomasZ: regarding the steplist... I'm almost convinced that it's no good idea to have a list of steps above the dialog
[04:40] <Jucato> chrisoverly: you could try looking for it in Adept Manager (K Menu > System)
[04:40] <matlec> ThomasZ: this could cause problems on lower resolutions and mobile devices
[04:40] <ThomasZ> matlec: I'm convinced that setappriate is enough. Since if the thing is not simple anymore, you are doing something wrong anywa.
[04:40] <chrisoverly> i already searched for it
[04:40] <chrisoverly> i just added a new repository... gonna try that
[04:41] <matlec> ThomasZ: well.. it's enough for many use cases
[04:41] <ThomasZ> matlec: well, design for the norm and adapt to the others :)   Having it left is better as most screens are wider then thay are high.
[04:41] <Jucato> try tuxracer-extras
[04:41] <vhogemann> chrisoverly, you're right... tux racer doesn't apper under Adept... sorry
[04:41] <chrisoverly> its ok
[04:41] <ThomasZ> matlec: as a friend of mine used to say, make the good easy and the hard possible.
[04:42] <chrisoverly> i just added the commercial repository... gonna see if that works
[04:42] <Jucato> chrisoverly: err... why the commercial repository?
[04:42] <chrisoverly> dont know
[04:42] <ThomasZ> matlec: the stupid (a more than 10 page wizard) doesn't even have to be possible without severe hacks.
[04:42] <matlec> ThomasZ: I agree partially
[04:43] <Jucato> chrisoverly: it won't be there. it seems that tuxracer is now known as planetpenguin-racer
[04:43] <matlec> ThomasZ: it's not stupid to have assistants with more than 10 pages
[04:43] <Jucato> !planetpenguin-racer
[04:43] <ubotu> planetpenguin-racer: another 3D racing game featuring Tux, the Linux penguin. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.1-5ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 242 kB, installed size 700 kB
[04:43] <ThomasZ> matlec: your users will disagree with that point ;)
[04:43] <matlec> matlec: I agree when you think of 10 steps :-)
[04:44] <matlec> ThomasZ: oops
[04:44] <matlec> ;-)
[04:44] <matlec> ThomasZ: I'm thinking of having 10 pages where maybe only 5 of them get displayed
[04:45] <matlec> ThomasZ: what are you thinking about the more simple idea of just allowing groups of pages?
[04:46] <ThomasZ> matlec: btw, the api is inspired by an API that I have created some years ago and the idea of 'appropriate' works very nicely and I don't see any reason why it would not scale.
[04:47] <ThomasZ> matlec: we used the wizard for an application that had various wizards of various levels of complexity
[04:48] <ThomasZ> which is also where i found that you should avoid any wizard with more than 4 pages.
[04:48] <matlec> ThomasZ: the problem I see with the current api is that it doesn't product clean code in cases with high complexity
[04:49] <matlec> ThomasZ: product=produce
[04:50] <Trae> bbiab
[04:52] <ThomasZ> matlec: sure, and thats not really a bad thing IMO.  It can produce quite easy to read code for most usecases. And I hope we agree that that is what we optimize for.
[04:52] <matlec> ThomasZ: we agree in that case :-)
[04:53] <matlec> ThomasZ: and I agree that the overhead maybe is slightly too big for simple use cases when we use paths
[04:56] <matlec> ThomasZ: so the grouping of pages could be a compromise
[04:57] <matlec> ThomasZ: simple use cases would result in simple code and complex use cases would cause more readable code
[04:57] <ThomasZ> matlec: so, very sorry to say, but I don't see any reason to change the wizard and especially not with the added complexities you make.
[04:57] <ThomasZ> matlec: grouping of pages may give simpler code, but its a lot harder to understand.
[04:59] <matlec> ThomasZ: is grouping really that complicated?
[04:59] <ThomasZ> matlec: you should ask yourself if its more complicated then not grouping. If the answer is yes, then you should ask if its absolutely needed. I think its not.
[04:59] <ThomasZ> matlec: listen to Einstein.  Make it as simple as you can, but no simpler than that.
[05:01] <matlec> ThomasZ: of course it adds complexity... but referring to Einstein: I think the assistant is simpler than it should be
[05:02] <matlec> ThomasZ: but I got your opinion :-)
[05:03] <ThomasZ> anyway, I'm happy with my kubuntu now. It mostly bahaves like I want it.
[05:03] <ThomasZ> So, thanks.
[05:08] <nuxil> how can i install kde 3.5.4 ?
[05:08] <nuxil> id ther a repo for it?
[05:09] <nuxil> i just installed kubuntu amd64 bit version
[05:09] <highneko> I just installed Kubuntu, and I can't play mp3s!
[05:09] <xwolf-> highneko !mp3
[05:09] <highneko> !mp3
[05:09] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:10] <nuxil> !kde4
[05:10] <ubotu> For information on KDE 4 (not to be released for quite some time yet), see: http://www.canllaith.org/svn-features/kde4.html. Also worth checking are: appeal/phonon/plasma/solid.kde.org
[05:10] <nuxil> !kde3.5.4
[05:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kde3.5.4 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:10] <nuxil> blah
[05:10] <highneko> Shouldn't it work tho?
[05:10] <xwolf-> highneko mp3 is a restricted format.
[05:10] <PatrickBic> !kde3
[05:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kde3 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:11] <Hawkwind> nuxil: deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-latest dapper main
[05:11] <nuxil> this but suxz
[05:11] <nuxil> Hawkwind, ok thxz
[05:11] <vhogemann> wich KDE version is planned for Edgy?
[05:11] <Hawkwind> nuxil: Add that to your /etc/apt/sources.list  and then do a sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[05:11] <Hawkwind> vhogemann: 3.5.4
[05:11] <nuxil> yea i know that stuff
[05:12] <Hawkwind> nuxil: Was just making sure :)
[05:12] <nuxil> :)
[05:12] <Gerrit_> hi folks
[05:12] <vhogemann> Hawkwind, thnx
[05:12] <Hawkwind> highneko: Have you followed the restricted formats page yet ?
[05:12] <highneko> No, I was just wondering if everyone has to do this.
[05:12] <_ian> i might change my hard drive to a larger one since im using a very old 20gb drive on this laptop....it has kubuntu and winxp on it... i really had a hard time twweaking kubuntu to work properly on this system is there a way to mirror the drive/ so that i wouldnt have to do all the things i did when i installed...?
[05:13] <Hawkwind> highneko: Pretty much yes.  Ubuntu doesn't allow the playback of certain formats by default to many laws around the world
[05:14] <Hawkwind> _ian: Once you get the new drive in, you can copy the entire contents the Kubuntu stuff over to it, sure
[05:14] <_ian> well im on a laptop//... so one drive can only fit
[05:14] <highneko> Hawkwind: Ok, thnx.
[05:14] <PatrickBic> _ian: usb connector?
[05:14] <PatrickBic> i mean.. external usb case
[05:15] <nuxil> Hawkwind, looks like i need a GPG key
[05:15] <nuxil> Reading package lists... Done
[05:15] <nuxil> W: GPG error: http://kubuntu.org dapper Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A506E6D4DD4D5088
[05:15] <nuxil> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[05:15] <Hawkwind> nuxil: Yes, you need Riddell's key.  Let me see if I can find his key somewhere
[05:15] <nuxil> thats what i did
[05:15] <nuxil> ok
[05:15] <nuxil> i'll wait
[05:15] <nuxil> i dont know where to look for it
[05:15] <Hawkwind> nuxil: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv A506E6D4DD4D5088 && gpg --export --armor A506E6D4DD4D5088 | sudo apt-key add -
[05:16] <_ian> i dont have one....and i am not willing to spend that much just to copy my drive for one use only...
[05:16] <nuxil> :D thank you
[05:16] <PatrickBic> 20euro for the usb case
[05:16] <highneko> !mplayer
[05:16] <ubotu> mplayer is a media player. Enable multiverse repo and type sudo apt-get install mplayer for more info please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer  To compile it from source see:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer/Compile
[05:16] <ubotu> For Codecs try !codecs Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MplayerInstallHowto for installation tips.
[05:16] <Gerrit_> I have a printing problem. Is anybody willing to help me?
[05:16] <Hawkwind> nuxil: You're welcome
[05:17] <_ian> well... i dont have much... i guess il have to do it all over again thnx
[05:20] <PatrickBic> is there a separate channel for (k)ubuntu amd64?
[05:22] <Dr_Willis> PatrickBic,  i doubt it.
[05:22] <PatrickBic> hmm so i ask here: (because not all software like adobe reader and such stuff is available for amd64) is it worth the switch?
[05:23] <Dr_Willis> I dont think it is.
[05:23] <Gerrit_> cu
[05:23] <Dr_Willis> if you need those apps.
[05:23] <Dr_Willis> however if you are programing and doing other things that will benifit from 64bit-goodness and dont care for acrobat. or games, or flash.. then its worth it
[05:24] <PatrickBic> i am doing a shitload of programming ;)
[05:24] <PatrickBic> and i dont play games at all
[05:24] <Dr_Willis> Guess you got to decide if its worth it for you then.
[05:24] <PatrickBic> but i want flash
[05:24] <Dr_Willis> programing what however.
[05:24] <PatrickBic> no way to get flash working?
[05:24] <reon> hi
[05:24] <PatrickBic> hi
[05:24] <Dr_Willis> Flash and other 32bit things can be made to work i hear..  but never tried it.. some sort of 32bit chroot
[05:24] <reon> anyone here try sabayon ?
[05:25] <Dr_Willis> I tend to disable flash :) even under32 bit
[05:25] <PatrickBic> Dr_Willis, how come?
[05:26] <Dr_Willis> ive not seen many sites that benifit from flash. :P
[05:27] <Dr_Willis> and those that demand its use - i tend to avoide
[05:27] <charlie5> hi, do i need to change any network stuff, when switching to bband ?
[05:28] <reon> Dr_Willis, do you need 64bit ?
[05:29] <highneko> Where's the list of repositories? I need to uncomment the universe thing.
[05:31] <highneko> Nvm, found it /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:31] <Blaat_> can someone help me with a venerwinternights problem?
[05:33] <DexterF> i'm getting a little p!ssed here. trying to run vmware-tools in a kub 6.06 vm
[05:33] <DexterF> I had to manually install make
[05:33] <DexterF> I had to manually install gcc
[05:34] <DexterF> and now it doesn't find the bloody kernel headers. I installed a package: kernel-headers. no go. I installed kernel src 2.6.15, pointed it there.
[05:34] <DexterF> no go. what else?
[05:34] <Dr_Willis> reon,  nope - i dont need it.. most people dont.. unless they got 4+gb of ram.. or are doing some heavy processing
[05:34] <Dr_Willis> DexterF,  and we care why?
[05:34] <riri> you should sudo apt-get install build-essential
[05:34] <Dr_Willis> build-essential gets most of those packages
[05:35] <Dr_Willis> 'work smarter not harder'
[05:35] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. i found a ubuntu vmware image that had the tools allready installed I think.
[05:36] <DexterF> Dr_Willis: oh, no problem, I will just recommend people something else, fine with me, I use Slackware. I only installed kub for support needs
[05:36] <Dr_Willis> DexterF,  go ahead..  have fun.
[05:37] <DexterF> riri: i thought apt-get is not favored anymore but aptitude for soem reason?
[05:37] <riri> i like apt-get
[05:37] <Dr_Willis> apitude seems to be the 'everyone reccomends it. but it still needs work' kind of thing.
[05:37] <riri> then i know what i am doing
[05:37] <DexterF> whatever
[05:38] <riri> adept is not bad either
[05:38] <riri> you know the flavor or those tools depends on own taste
[05:38] <Dr_Willis> adept is weird in some ways.. the way they can filter things is nifty. but itss a little odd in the gui/layout
[05:39] <Dr_Willis> that reminds me - i still need to track down a vmware windows95 image.. or go through the win95 install! ick.
[05:39] <Dr_Willis> Can Qemu images work with vmware?
[05:40] <Dr_Willis> I have a vic-20 :P
[05:40] <Mythbusters> lol
[05:40] <abattoir> Dr_Willis: afaik, yes
[05:41] <riri> dr: you can use vmware too
[05:41] <riri> just make the image with it
[05:42] <riri> you can have a free licence from vmware
[05:43] <Dr_Willis> abattoir,  cool. that will save me an hr or 2.. if i can find the qemu image i made
[05:44] <Dr_Willis> i got a qemu win95 image somewhere.. wantint to try it in vmware.
[05:44] <riri> with vmware you use the vmware tools which improved greatly display
[05:45] <Dr_Willis> testing out reactos with vmware at the moment. :P
[05:45] <Dr_Willis> I have a few windows apps  that i need to use (untill i can find a decent linux replacement)
[05:45] <Dr_Willis> dang things are .net apps which sucks.
[05:46] <Dr_Willis> wonder how well reactos can handle .net and codecs/players/video converters
[05:47] <egonw> moin all, where can I file RFP for (K)ubuntu?
[05:48] <abattoir> egonw:  a request for proposal?
[05:48] <egonw> sorry... debian slang... request for packaging
[05:48] <abattoir> heh, ok :P
[05:49] <h3sp4wn> Dr_Willis: Can mono not just run .NET apps with no problems ?
[05:50] <Dr_Willis> h3sp4wn,  i aint ever figured out how to do that..  the stuff i want to run are some PSP video converter front ends that then run the various ffmpeg.exe and other tweked binaries.
[05:51] <Dr_Willis> so it would have to be a combo of wine+.net
[05:51] <Dr_Willis> Heck i can barely get the .NET stuff to work under REAL windows. :) they keep screwing up.
[05:51] <Dr_Willis> Yea - im not too impressed with .net so far you can say
[05:51] <Pensacola> how can I change the login screen?
[05:52] <BluesKaj> hey abattoir, I copied the libmpeg3-1 folder to my home dir where the quicktime folder resides ..I tried to follow the instructions in the readme , but the make command in the dir didn't work ..."
[05:52] <BluesKaj> libmpeg3-1$ make
[05:52] <BluesKaj> make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
[05:52] <xwolf-> i installed xplanet, but don't know how to use it :X
[05:52] <h3sp4wn> Dr_Willis: I am not impressed with it (wouldn't use it for love nor money but the new gnome uses it extensively)
[05:52] <xwolf-> how do i open an X window?
[05:53] <abattoir> BluesKaj: can you give me the link to the readme file again?
[05:53] <inteliwasp> g
[05:54] <xwolf-> nevermind.
[05:54] <Dr_Willis> h3sp4wn,  yea.. i havent researched it much yet.. so cant really tell if its trash or treasure.
[05:54] <Dr_Willis> h3sp4wn,  but windows handles it so badly.. its scary
[05:56] <Trae> anyone here soley use Konq?
[05:57] <Trae> http://occy.net/tmp/screenshots/borked-digg-konq.png
[05:57] <Admiral_Chicago> Trae, not I sir but I know a guy who does
[05:57] <egonw> same here
[05:57] <Trae> Admiral_Chicago: you use Firefox typically?
[05:58] <egonw> Trae: same overlap here, I meant
[05:58] <Trae> egonw: ahh
[05:59] <BluesKaj> abattoir, http://pastebin.ca/170399
[06:02] <abattoir> BluesKaj: does the libmpeg3 folder have its own readme?
[06:03] <BluesKaj> lemme check , abattoir
[06:03] <Admiral_Chicago> Trae, Exclusively
[06:05] <abattoir> Trae: i use konq exclusively... why do you ask?
[06:05] <BluesKaj> abattoir, afraid not
[06:05] <highneko> Is there a way to reboot and boot windows? In SUSE I had an option when I logout. Anyone know?
[06:05] <Trae> abattoir: http://occy.net/tmp/screenshots/borked-digg-konq.png  stuff like this would drive me bat-poop insane
[06:06] <abattoir> Trae: have you tried changing the browser id?
[06:06] <Trae> yes
[06:06] <Trae> as, gmail won't work if you don't
[06:07] <abattoir> Trae: but the screenshot doesnt seem to suggest that(if you've taken it i.e.)
[06:07] <Trae> abattoir: I took it
[06:11] <Hawkwind> Trae: Are you talking about the overlapping of images and text ?
[06:11] <Trae> yes
[06:11] <Hawkwind> Trae: It happens in firefox too actually
[06:11] <Admiral_Chicago> Hawkwind, not for me...
[06:11] <abattoir> Trae: yes, you're right, changing the id doesnt help either
[06:11] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm on 2.0 Beta though
[06:11] <abattoir> Trae: might want to file a bug
[06:12] <Hawkwind> It depends on your font settings
[06:12] <Hawkwind> abattoir: I don't think it's a bug though
[06:12] <Trae> yeah, not for me tierh
[06:12] <Trae> Hawkwind: I use default font settings
[06:12] <Trae> I don't mess with my browsers font settings
[06:12] <Hawkwind> It happens in flock, galeon, mozilla and opera too
[06:12] <Trae> that's one of the biggest no-no's.... leave your browser fonts set as default
[06:13] <abattoir> Hawkwind: just checked under firefox(2.0b) seems fine there... the CSS is not being rendered properly... i guess
[06:13] <abattoir> but havent seen similar behaviour elsewhere...
[06:13] <Trae> css not rendering properly.... that's a new one.
[06:13] <abattoir> *noticed, rather than seen
[06:13] <Hawkwind> abattoir: I'm using 1.5.0.5 here in Dapper
[06:13] <Trae> :)
[06:13] <Admiral_Chicago> 2.0 on Edgy
[06:14] <Hawkwind> Let me fire up edgy and see what it looks like in 2.0b1
[06:15] <abattoir> it loads faster on konq. though :P
[06:16] <Hawkwind> It is actually rendering correctly in Opera and mozilla today
[06:16] <marco__> c' nessuno?
[06:17] <abattoir> !it
[06:17] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[06:17] <marco__> ok, hi
[06:17] <Hawkwind> Yep.  Renders incorrectly in konqueror and firefox 1.5.0.5 but renders fine in firefox 2.0b1
[06:17] <BluesKaj> isn't FF 2.0 still an unstable development browser ?
[06:17] <abattoir> marco__: hi :)
[06:17] <Hawkwind> BluesKaj: Yes, that's why it's in Edgy
[06:17] <Admiral_Chicago> BluesKaj, kinda
[06:17] <marco__> hi abatoir
[06:17] <Admiral_Chicago> its almost in Beta
[06:18] <Admiral_Chicago> er RCs
[06:18] <BluesKaj> is it aavilable for dapper?
[06:18] <Hawkwind> BluesKaj: No
[06:18] <Hawkwind> BluesKaj: Not in .deb format anyways
[06:18] <h3sp4wn> BluesKaj: You can just get the binaries from mozilla.org if you want
[06:18] <Hawkwind> abattoir: It renders wrong in Edgy's konqueror too
[06:18] <Admiral_Chicago> Hawkwind, you can compile from source
[06:18] <abattoir> Hawkwind: i did mean edgy's konq.
[06:18] <BluesKaj> I'll wait for the official stable release :)
[06:18] <Hawkwind> Admiral_Chicago: I know, hence why I said not in .deb format :P
[06:19] <marco__> hi brian
[06:19] <Hawkwind> Most people don't like to build things from source on a deb based distro.  Kinda defeats the purpose
[06:19] <h3sp4wn> I suppose the edgy/debian-experimental source could be backported to dapper
[06:19] <Admiral_Chicago> Hawkwind, good call
[06:19] <highneko> Is there a way to reboot and boot windows? In SUSE I had an option when I logout. Anyone know?
[06:19] <marco__> can i make a question?
[06:19] <Admiral_Chicago> Hawkwind, i started using Fedora Core so I compile stuff all the time
[06:19] <Admiral_Chicago> no package manager there
[06:20] <h3sp4wn> Admiral_Chicago: What about yum ?
[06:20] <Hawkwind> Admiral_Chicago: Fedora has 2 package managers
[06:20] <Admiral_Chicago> marco__, yes
[06:20] <Hawkwind> Admiral_Chicago: It has yum and apt-get actually
[06:20] <marco__> ok thank
[06:20] <Admiral_Chicago> Hawkwind h3sp4wn really, oh well i just compiled from source
[06:20] <Hawkwind> Has had them both since day one of its initial release
[06:20] <BluesKaj> highneko, how did you boot into ubuntu ?
[06:20] <abattoir> and you can have adept on it too, if you want :)
[06:20] <marco__> what i install an antivirus with kubuntu?
[06:20] <Admiral_Chicago> i only used FC4 for like 3 months
[06:20] <h3sp4wn> I think you can have smart on fedora core
[06:20] <Hawkwind> Admiral_Chicago: If you want to compile from source you don't use a deb/rpm based distro.  Use something like Arch or Gentoo
[06:20] <Admiral_Chicago> marco__, you do not need one
[06:21] <Admiral_Chicago> kubuntu is much much much safer than windows
[06:21] <marco__> why?
[06:21] <Hawkwind> You can have smart on pretty much any distro, including Fedora
[06:21] <Hawkwind> marco__: You only need an anti-virus program if you are running a mail server that Windows users use
[06:21] <octan> hi there all..
[06:22] <marco__> i don't understand!
[06:22] <octan> i need some help.. i cant get my nvidia card to work..
[06:23] <Hawkwind> marco__: Do you run a mail server at all ?
[06:23] <octan> i get some errors from dmesg
[06:23] <octan> [  271.803117]  nvidia: disagrees about version of symbol boot_cpu_data
[06:23] <octan> [  271.803203]  nvidia: Unknown symbol boot_cpu_data
[06:23] <Admiral_Chicago> marco__, kubuntu does not need anti virus
[06:23] <marco__> no no... but i have fear than virus!
[06:23] <marco__> it's ok...
[06:24] <Admiral_Chicago> marco__, don't have fear, kubuntu is very safe from viruses
[06:24] <marco__> ok, thank's!!
[06:24] <octan> can anyone help me?
[06:24] <Dr_Willis> 'linux in general' is very safe from viruses.
[06:25] <octan> sudo modprobe nvidia also gives me error
[06:25] <marco__> thanks
[06:25] <octan> FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.15-26-amd64-generic/volatile/nvidia.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
[06:25] <marco__> byez
[06:25] <Admiral_Chicago> i think i'll install AVG just for laughs
[06:26] <BluesKaj> for linux?
[06:26] <Hawkwind> Yes for linux
[06:26] <BluesKaj> why bother
[06:26] <octan> help me pls
[06:26] <Hawkwind> BluesKaj: Why not ?
[06:26] <octan> !nvidia
[06:26] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:26] <Admiral_Chicago> BluesKaj, yes they have an rpm on their page
[06:26] <arunkale> hey, how do i install a .deb file
[06:26] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm going to have to alien it but whatever
[06:27] <Dr_Willis> !install
[06:27] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[06:27] <Dr_Willis> Hmm not that factoid.. lets see
[06:27] <Dr_Willis> !apt-get
[06:27] <ubotu> apt is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto  -  Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[06:27] <abattoir> arunkale: 'sudo apt-get install <path to file>'
[06:27] <Hawkwind> arunkale: sudo dpkg -i file.deb
[06:27] <abattoir> ugh...
[06:27] <BluesKaj> rpm..? oh yer gonna use alien ..."shrug " have fun :)
[06:27] <arunkale> ah okay, thanks
[06:27] <arunkale> i already have the file on my computer
[06:27] <abattoir> arunkale: it's what Hawkwind said
[06:27] <arunkale> thanks :)
[06:27] <arunkale> yeah got it
[06:27] <abattoir> !sound
[06:27] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure alsa is selected by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (Alsa Mixer). If you are still having problems with sound, then look at http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems
[06:28] <Admiral_Chicago> arunkale, sudo dpkg -i <package>.deb
[06:28] <abattoir> Hawkwind: ^^^^ that needs to be modified
[06:28] <highneko> BluesKaj: I boot into ubunt with grub.
[06:28] <arunkale> thanks
[06:28] <Hawkwind> abattoir: To what exactly ?
[06:29] <BluesKaj> ok, highneko, windows shoulbe in the grub bootlist
[06:29] <highneko> Yes, it si.
[06:29] <highneko> is*
[06:29] <abattoir> Hawkwind: i think the first bit is Gnome-specific(File->Change Device doesnt exist in kmix)
[06:29] <BluesKaj> so what's the prob ?
[06:29] <Hawkwind> abattoir: You can edit facts too ya know :P
[06:29] <highneko> That's not what I want. On my old SUSE installation there way an option, when I press logout in the start mentu thing, there was an option to restart and startup windows or something else.
[06:30] <highneko> It would shutdown and automatically boot windows.
[06:30] <arunkale> argh dependency issues
[06:30] <arunkale> wanted to install GyachI
[06:30] <BluesKaj>  yeah I remember that , but i don't miss it
[06:31] <BluesKaj> suse has yast and smart ..and the repos suck so i dumped it
[06:32] <highneko> BluesKaj: Yes, I don't like it wither. I miss this restart to windows option tho.
[06:32] <Dr_Willis> highneko,  ive seen that in some other disrtos as well.
[06:32] <Dr_Willis> basicially i think its altering the menu.lst file befor it reboots
[06:33] <BluesKaj> there may be a way to do what you want highneko,but i don't know how ...sorry :( ....maybe some one else can help
[06:33] <Dr_Willis> some scripting  and  perhaps a suid wrapper binary :P
[06:34] <Dr_Willis> and changing what the kdm/gdm  things run.
[06:34] <arunkale> man, i'm close to pulling my hair out.. i can't find a proper cms
[06:35] <octan> !nvidia
[06:35] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:37] <Vegeta> I'm suddenly unable to get into the operating system kubuntu, it boots just fine, but after all the boot loadings it stops, and screen is like the boot screen but without any text, and stays like that. Does anyone know why?
[06:38] <okto> highneko: you can have it in kcontrol--system adm--login manager--shutdown-misc-grub
[06:38] <psb154> Vegeta, have you updated recently? The xorg update could be the problem.
[06:39] <Vegeta> Actually, I updated the suspend function (i think).
[06:39] <Vegeta> psb154: It worked fine yesterday, but today when I start it, the problem occured.
[06:39] <okto> highneko: and when you click kmenu---shutdown you have teh option to choose from your grub menu
[06:40] <psb154> Vegeta, is this the first reboot since your update?
[06:40] <Vegeta> psb154: Yea I think so.
[06:41] <psb154> Vegeta, some changes will not be noticed until a reboot.
[06:41] <Vegeta> psb154: So how do I fix this?
[06:42] <psb154> Vegeta, you can reboot, and hit escape during boot up and select safe mode.
[06:42] <Vegeta> I can acces that
[06:42] <Vegeta> I'm there.
[06:42] <Vegeta> I can login and all that.
[06:42] <psb154> Vegeta, can you browse your /var/log/messages
[06:42] <Vegeta> ok
[06:44] <highneko> okto: Ok, I did it. I still have to test it now tho. Thanks alot. ;)
[06:44] <Vegeta> psb154: I can't acces it... :S
[06:45] <psb154> Vegeta you are logged in as root right now?
[06:45] <obf213> i need help making my computer rstart again
[06:45] <Vegeta> ahh wait
[06:45] <obf213> it doesnt restart anymore, and when i shut down it shuts down in like 2 seconds, it jus says stopping kdm, will now halt
[06:45] <Vegeta> It's not a folder, I had to open it in nano
[06:46] <psb154> Vegeta its a text file
[06:46] <Vegeta> psb154: Yea I know, what do I look for now?
[06:46] <psb154> Vegeta starting from the bottom, the latest entries...
[06:47] <psb154> browse up and see if you see an error
[06:47] <BluesKaj> How do i add a device, that isn't being auto detected, like a TVTuner card to the harware list ?
[06:49] <Vegeta> psb154: Hmm... It's a bit hard, how do I know what of those are errors. I can't find a place where it says "error".
[06:49] <obf213> anyone know why my computer wont restart, i checked my runlevel config it looks normal, it doesnt do usplash on shutdown for some reason, and doesnt seem to shut donw any of the services
[06:50] <obf213> it only shuts down kdm then halts, so shutdown literally takes a second, but it doesnt restart
[06:50] <BluesKaj> the driver for the TV Wonder Pro Card is listed ,but kubuntu doesn't see the PCI card !
[06:50] <psb154> Vegeta might be easier to: grep "error" /var/log/messages
[06:50] <sdlnxgk> has anyone upgraded to this verys of Amarok 1.4.3
[06:51] <sdlnxgk> I get a break (upgrade) when trying
[06:51] <BluesKaj> yup sdlnxgk, you can find the proper repos and dependencies at www.imbrandon.com
[06:52] <BluesKaj> yeah adept and synaptic don't work for 1.4.3
[06:53] <Vegeta> psb154: It says "error" not found
[06:55] <psb154> Vegeta ok. How about using apt to try to fix the problem them since we cant detect it our selves... I'll just do some man-ing to see what might help.
[06:55] <oliver> Please could someone tell me how to execute a .jar file
[06:55] <sdlnxgk> BluesKaj thanks for the tip
[06:56] <Vegeta> psb154: How can that fix the problem? WDo I need to get a speciel package?
[06:57] <psb154> Vegeta, since it probably caused the problem I would hope that it could fix what it has done, by at least undoing something.
[06:57] <obf213> aight anyone know why my comp doesnt restart, and it shuts down in like 2 seconds
[06:57] <obf213> it no longer goes throught the whole stopping processes, it just stops kdm then shuts down
[06:57] <obf213> and wont restart
[06:58] <Vegeta> psb154: I have the ubuntu installation cd, can I use that to reinstall/repair (even possible?)? Will that even help?
[06:58] <psb154> Vegeta, you are grasping at straws, I can't even see the straws :-)
[06:58] <BluesKaj> np sdlnxgk
[06:59] <psb154> Vegeta what graphics card are you using?
[06:59] <Vegeta> intel-something
[06:59] <psb154> Vegeta, is it a laptop?
[06:59] <Vegeta> Yea
[07:00] <psb154> Vegeta would you try the xorg fix that fixed my problem?
[07:00] <Vegeta> psb154: What is "xorg fix"?
[07:01] <psb154> Vegeta, the following but since we are not sure xorg is the problem it is a bit of a gamble:
[07:01] <psb154> sudo apt-get install "xserver-xorg-core=1:1.0.2-0ubuntu10"
[07:01] <lagrange> hi, how do you disable a laptop touchpad? already tried ksynaptics with no success
[07:01] <psb154> Vegeta think about it first though...
[07:01] <Vegeta> psb154: hmm... what will it do?
[07:02] <cpk2> hmm is nichsrev an actual freenode service?
[07:02] <Vegeta> psb154: Is it possible to recover the system to a time where it was functional? Or is this only a windows feature?
[07:02] <psb154> Vegeta, quite. I uninstalled an xorg update that I agreed to, from the apt update process.
[07:03] <BluesKaj> Vegeta, ithink that's a windows registry backup thing ...no registry in linux
[07:04] <cpk2> Vegeta: save backups of your conf files, if something goes wrong replace those
[07:05] <Vegeta> Is it possible to reinstall ubuntu, without the loss of the files in the /home partition? (It's a seperate partition from the /).
[07:06] <cpk2> Vegeta: what did you break?
[07:06] <psb154> Vegeta, you could tar cvfz yourHomeDir.tar.gz /home/yourHomeDir
[07:07] <aseigo> Vegeta: of course. selec the manual partition option in the installer and just don't mark /home for formatting
[07:07] <Vegeta> Ok I'll try that, and just in case I'll use that "tar cvfz" too.
[07:07] <abattoir> !no sound-#kubuntu is <reply>If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[07:07] <ubotu> I know nothing about sound-#kubuntu yet
[07:07] <abattoir> heh
[07:08] <abattoir> Hawkwind: syntax right?
[07:08] <psb154> Vegeta you could try the xorg fix first then since you going to kill the OS anyway.
[07:08] <obf213> hey why does my computer no longer restart/shut down anything but kdm
[07:08] <obf213> is there something wrong if my computer doesnt shut down alsa and all that stuff, just shuts down kdm then halts
[07:09] <Vegeta> ok psb154
[07:09] <abattoir> !no, sound-#kubuntu is <reply>If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[07:10] <ubotu> I know nothing about sound-#kubuntu yet
[07:10] <gan|y|med> hi
[07:10] <gan|y|med>  i wanna add individual page numbers, e.g. page 2 being numbered "I" (first directory page), and the rest just normal, starting from 3. i have added a manual break, but everytime i delete the "2" all numbers disappear...
[07:10] <gan|y|med> how?
[07:12] <abattoir> gan|y|med: sorry, but where is this? in kword? or oo Writer?
[07:13] <gan|y|med> ooo
[07:13] <gan|y|med> sry
[07:14] <gan|y|med> a change of page 2 affects all other pages (except 1) though there is a break
[07:14] <Hawkwind> !sound-#kubuntu is <reply>If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[07:14] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Hawkwind
[07:14] <Hawkwind> !sound
[07:14] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[07:14] <Hawkwind> abattoir:  :P
[07:15] <abattoir> Hawkwind: nice :)
[07:15] <Vegeta> hmm.. Where will an USB Flash Memory  location be? I can't find it under /media
[07:16] <abattoir> gan|y|med: i think #openoffice.org would be more helpful
[07:16] <gan|y|med> there i am. and no, it is not...
[07:17] <psb154> Vegeta, I'll plug mine in... hang on.
[07:17] <aseigo> Vegeta: shows up under /media here....
[07:17] <aseigo> Vegeta: try typing media:/ into a konqi window
[07:17] <aseigo> Vegeta: or are you not getting any popup when you plug it in? if you're in kde you should be getting something popping up at you when you plug it in
[07:17] <psb154> aseigo, vegeta is running in safe mode
[07:17] <aseigo> ah...
[07:18] <Vegeta> Nop can't seem to find it. I'm still runing in a recovery mode
[07:18] <aseigo> then you probably need to mount i yourself
[07:18] <psb154> will he have to add an entry in his fstab and create a directory?
[07:18] <aseigo> and it'll be /dev/sd<something>
[07:18] <aseigo> psb154: no, you can mount it directly
[07:18] <aseigo> mount /dev/sda /some/path
[07:18] <Vegeta> It does find the drive but then keeps loading or something..?
[07:19] <psb154> but he will still need a mount point no?
[07:19] <aseigo> yes.. but a mount point is just any directory you want in unix
[07:19] <aseigo> you can mount it over your home dir if you really want ;)
[07:19] <psb154> oooo
[07:19] <aseigo> "shit. where's my $HOME gone?!"
[07:19] <aseigo> hehe
[07:20] <Vegeta> haha
[07:20] <psb154> :}
[07:20] <aseigo> then i looked a bit closer at the mount statement i'd used and umount'd my way to happiness
[07:21] <royal> hi I was finally able to run my gateway on the internet for the first time today and ran updates
[07:21] <royal> now would that give me the ability to play MP3s now that I'm fully updated?
[07:21] <Vegeta> aseigo: When I do the mount /dev/sda it says that I need to give a filesystemtype, what is it in this case?
[07:21] <Hawkwind> !mp3
[07:21] <abattoir> royal: did you enable universe and multiverse?
[07:21] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:22] <abattoir> !repos
[07:22] <royal> yeah
[07:22] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[07:22] <Hawkwind> royal: You'll want to add the right repos and follow the restricted formats page
[07:22] <abattoir> royal: aah, ok, try installing 'libxine-extracodecs' from adept
[07:22] <royal> k
[07:22] <abattoir> royal: or 'sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs' if you prefer the cli
[07:22] <aseigo> Vegeta: yeah.. you can try -t auto or if you know what it is (likely vfat) then specify it with -t
[07:23] <aseigo> Vegeta: e.g. mount -t vfat /dev/sda /some/path
[07:23] <Vegeta> aseigo: doesn't work, it says it's something else..
[07:24] <aseigo> well, maybe the usb key isn't /dev/sda ;)
[07:24] <Vegeta> DOH :P
[07:24] <octan> hi all i need some help
[07:24] <octan> i have no sound
[07:24] <octan> !sound
[07:24] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[07:25] <abattoir> octan: was it working before?
[07:25] <octan> well yes,, but i have a clean install of kubuntu amd64 now'
[07:25] <Vegeta> aseigo: ARGH screw the USB storage!! I'll just reinstall, and hope that the files in /home dir remains..! =|
[07:25] <abattoir> octan: make sure the mixer's channels are all unmuted
[07:26] <octan> i'll checl
[07:26] <octan> current mixer is blank
[07:26] <octan> i have nothing in kmix
[07:26] <abattoir> octan: try alsamixer in the command line
[07:26] <octan> its all empty
[07:26] <abattoir> in konsole
[07:27] <octan> error
[07:27] <octan> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[07:27] <octan> right.. now what do i do?
[07:28] <abattoir> octan: one sec
[07:28] <abattoir> octan: try running 'asoundconf'
[07:29] <octan> with what? i need some option with that
[07:29] <octan> nuxil@Nuxil:~$ asoundconf list
[07:29] <octan> Names of available sound cards:
[07:29] <octan> CK8S
[07:29] <octan> UART
[07:30] <octan> asoundconf set-default-card CK8S ??
[07:30] <abattoir> octan: are you sure that's your card?
[07:31] <octan> no
[07:31] <abattoir> also check if the module for your card is loaded
[07:31] <octan> i dont know what module that is sorry
[07:31] <abattoir> octan: what sound card?
[07:31] <octan> i dont know.. it intergrert on my mobo
[07:32] <octan> my mob is something epox i think  with nvidia 3 chip set
[07:32] <abattoir> octan: 'lspci -v | grep Multimedia' might help
[07:32] <octan> 0000:00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation nForce3 250Gb AC'97 Audio Controller (rev a1)
[07:32] <abattoir> octan: it didnt work out of the box?
[07:32] <abattoir> octan: or did you do something?
[07:33] <octan> as i sayd this is a clean install.. i just finished the install 20 min ago.
[07:33] <octan> never had sound in this install
[07:33] <octan> but i had sound with kubuntu i386 versiom
[07:33] <Infecto> hey, how to check the curent version of the system ?
[07:34] <octan> this is 64 bit version
[07:34] <abattoir> Infecto: 'lsb_release -a' ??
[07:35] <abattoir> octan: try 'sudo modprobe snd-intel8x0'
[07:35] <b0uncer> good evening again :)
[07:35] <Infecto> abattoir: clous :) abattoir is some where write knot 3 2 1 ?
[07:35] <abattoir> Infecto: clous ?
[07:35] <octan> abattoir, that dident help
[07:35] <abattoir> Infecto: knot 3 is not out yet, afaik
[07:35] <abattoir> should be out soon though
[07:36] <abattoir> octan: what do you mean... was the module loaded(or was it already loaded) ??
[07:36] <Fille-laptop> Hi
[07:36] <octan> well i typed that command and nothing happend
[07:36] <Infecto> close :) abattoir i made mistake
[07:36] <Fille-laptop> Has anyone of you been able to unpack .rar files in Kubuntu
[07:37] <octan> i also did alsamixer after that .. same error
[07:37] <Fille-laptop> I'm havin a weeeee bit hard to do so
[07:37] <Fille-laptop> I've installed both 7-zip and unrar-free
[07:37] <abattoir> Fille-laptop: try installing 'unrar'
[07:37] <abattoir> Fille-laptop: does the unrar command work?
[07:37] <Fille-laptop> but when I give the command 7-z x filename.rar it says FAIL
[07:37] <Fille-laptop> I've tried the unrar-free x filename.rar command
[07:38] <Fille-laptop> same thing
[07:38] <Fille-laptop> FAIL
[07:38] <octan> im loosing my mind here.. i need sound up and running
[07:38] <octan> !sound
[07:38] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[07:38] <b0uncer> Fille-laptop: at least one "free" unrar program for Linux couldn't open some of my rar packets
[07:38] <b0uncer> so you probably need to try and look for some other program
[07:39] <Fille-laptop> but shouldn't 7-zip be able to handle them all?
[07:39] <abattoir> octan: its a normal snd-intel8x0 module... i dont know why it isn't being loaded automatically... or why it doesnt work at all
[07:39] <ninix> Hi all
[07:39] <octan> abattoir lsmod shows it
[07:39] <reader> hi
[07:39] <Fille-laptop> wich other rar-unpacking-programs do you guys recommend I get then?
[07:40] <ninix> im just trying to install Kubuntu on my desktop pc.. and the Live-CD try to load and after few times i got no X display but only a black screen
[07:40] <b0uncer> Fille-laptop: I don't think any zip program has anything to do with rar
[07:40] <Fille-laptop> ...k 0_o
[07:41] <Fille-laptop> so I have to use Windows to extract rar-files?
[07:41] <robotgeek> Fille-laptop: no, u can install unrar from multiverse
[07:41] <b0uncer> no, google for linux unrar
[07:41] <b0uncer> if the unrar doesn't work you installed
[07:42] <mojosound> ninix:  I have had to burn at slower speeds in order to get things to burn correctly.  Perhaps the cd did not burn correctly?
[07:43] <ninix> mojosound:  if i have done the Check For CD Defects and 0 error found.. is it supposed to be ok? or u want i reburn it slower ?
[07:43] <octan> OMG this is anotying....
[07:44] <mojosound> ninix:  Try burning a new cd at the slowest speed.  I have had the most success this way.
[07:44] <ninix> mojosound:  big thx.
[07:44] <ninix> later
[07:47] <octan> abattoir, got any ideas?
[07:47] <magnus_> Hi. Where is that nifty sources.list generator? I need to generate a list to make mp3 supported etc
[07:48] <b0uncer> magnus_: it's in the wiki I think
[07:48] <abattoir> octan: hmm, i'm not really an expert on this... i'll look for you though
[07:48] <h3sp4wn> !easysource
[07:48] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[07:48] <b0uncer> but you don't need that for mp3
[07:48] <b0uncer> just enable multiverse and universe
[07:48] <h3sp4wn> Hl
[07:48] <h3sp4wn> You should only need 3 lines in sources.list
[07:49] <h3sp4wn> (unless you wanted newer kde or amarok)
[07:49] <arunkale> My music sounds much better on XMMS than Amarok, although Amarok has these cool features
[07:50] <h3sp4wn> xmms doesn't work at all well with my soundcard
[07:50] <arunkale> i'm torn
[07:50] <arunkale> xmms gives me crystal clear sound
[07:50] <abattoir> octan: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=248321
[07:51] <h3sp4wn> arunkale: Are you using oss drivers ? or alsa ?
[07:51] <abattoir> octan: maybe the card doesnt work well on amd64?
[07:51] <abattoir> arunkale: you mean to say the sound in xmms is not 'clear' ?
[07:51] <abattoir> arunkale: it has noise?
[07:52] <octan> abattoir, that makes no sence.. this is a 64 bit mobo.
[07:52] <h3sp4wn> xmms sounds really good with oss drivers (but not with alsa) in my experience
[07:52] <octan> and the sound cars is intergrert
[07:52] <arunkale> abattoir: the sound in xmms is fantastic is wht i'm saying.. awesome.. better than amarok on my machine
[07:52] <octan> abattoir, you didnt help :P you only gave me a link you ppl that have problems too :P
[07:52] <abattoir> octan: i meant the amd64 version of Ubuntu/Kubuntu
[07:53] <arunkale> but amarok has all these cool features.. like the lyrics and cover manager and artist bio and stuff
[07:53] <arunkale> so i'm a bit torn
[07:53] <abattoir> octan: i'm sorry then, i'll stop looking.
[07:56] <draik> anyone know what happened with the freecontrib in the repos? I get 404
[08:00] <slow-motion> hallo
[08:00] <dhq> i want to run visual basic is there any software avail in kubuntu packages
[08:00] <trappist> dhq: I never did get vb working in wine
[08:01] <b0uncer> why won't all wmv videos play, I just get sound?
[08:01] <dhq> trappist: i guess there is a vb client for kubuntu
[08:01] <b0uncer> I've got one pretty old video and I've played newer files..so it shouldn't be because of any new codec
[08:01] <dhq> Hawkwind: is there a vb client
[08:01] <b0uncer> vlc, gstreamer, xine, mplayer...all the same
[08:02] <b0uncer> and another is where I get video (3gp) but no sound
[08:02] <trappist> dhq: what is a vb client?
[08:02] <dhq> well i dont know
[08:02] <trappist> dhq: vb is a language - also a compiler for that language
[08:02] <dhq> trappist: let me google and see
[08:03] <dhq> :)
[08:03] <trappist> dhq: can you be more specific about what you need
[08:03] <Mo-Z> !codecs
[08:03] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:03] <dhq> trappist: well i want to create vb apps etc
[08:03] <pradeepto> dhq: look up for Gambas
[08:03] <trappist> dhq: short answer: not in linux
[08:04] <trappist> vb.net, in mono, but I don't know of a vb compiler for linux
[08:04] <pradeepto> trappist: Gambas or something like that actually exists.
[08:04] <soulrider> does anyone know of a prgoram i can use to switch desktops
[08:05] <soulrider> witha  cool 3d effect? :P
[08:05] <trappist> pradeepto: gambas is a basic compiler, but not vb
[08:05] <pradeepto> oh ok
[08:06] <pradeepto> soulrider: 3ddesktop - "Three-dimensional" desktop switcher
[08:06] <dhq> !gambas
[08:06] <ubotu> gambas: Visual development environment for the Gambas programming language. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.13-2 (dapper), package size 964 kB, installed size 2256 kB
[08:06] <steveire> Is it possible to make mp3s with KAudioCreator?
[08:06] <romedog> hello all
[08:06] <pradeepto> soulrider: apt-get for that ^^^
[08:06] <soulrider> k, ill try
[08:07] <romedog> wondering if someone can assist in getting my soundcard to work on a ibm thinkpad
[08:07] <abattoir> steveire: sure
[08:07] <abattoir> steveire: you mean rip it from a cd?
[08:07] <soulrider> has anyone see the thing to swtch desktops in vista?
[08:07] <steveire> abattoir: Yeah, I didn't see anything on RestrictFormats or CDRipping pages about it.
[08:07] <soulrider> it looks quite nice, but its redmond :P
[08:07] <abattoir> steveire: there is an easier (and cooler) method too, if that's what you want
[08:07] <romedog> I have searched the docs and I have tried to do what they say but it does not work
[08:08] <steveire> abattoir: Do go on.
[08:08] <abattoir> steveire: CDRipping for Kubuntu should be up shortly :)
[08:08] <abattoir> steveire: open up konqueror
[08:08] <abattoir> steveire: and type audiocd:/
[08:08] <abattoir> steveire: if you want mp3, make sure you have 'lame' installed
[08:08] <abattoir> !info lame
[08:08] <ubotu> lame: LAME Ain't an MP3 Encoder. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 3.96.1-1 (dapper), package size 222 kB, installed size 620 kB
[08:08] <abattoir> steveire: ^^^
[08:08] <steveire> thankies
[08:09] <soulrider> can i trigger 3ddesk witha  keybind or something ?
[08:09] <abattoir> steveire: in konq. (w/ audiocd:/)    you should see an MP3 folder
[08:09] <abattoir> steveire: just copy that folder and paste it wherever you want....
[08:09] <abattoir> steveire: that's all :)
[08:10] <steveire> Open 'error:/?error=11&e...=#locate:audiocd./'?
[08:10] <abattoir> steveire: if you want to finetune the settings, go to Kcontrol/System Settings->Sound and Multimedia->Audio CDs
[08:11] <abattoir> steveire: did you put the audiocd in? is it mounted?
[08:11] <abattoir> steveire: its audiocd:/
[08:11] <abattoir> make sure you enter that properly
[08:11] <dhq> !kbasic
[08:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kbasic - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:11] <dhq> trappist: kbasic is like vb i guess
[08:12] <romedog> anyone can point me in direction of installing a soundcard on an Ibm thinkpad
[08:12] <steveire> nice :)
[08:12] <jpiccolo> why can i not copy to a partition that i mounted while booted on the live cd
[08:12] <steveire> I don't need lame-extras?
[08:12] <octan> abattoir, i installed a nforce driver.. now i can see my card in alsamixer
[08:12] <octan> abattoir, but i cant get sound
[08:12] <abattoir> octan: and it works?
[08:13] <octan> kmix is still empty
[08:13] <octan> no i dont have it working
[08:13] <octan> but atlest alamixer finds the card now
[08:13] <abattoir> hmm... sorry, not sure i can help you then.
[08:13] <octan> what was the command you gave me
[08:13] <octan> lsaconfig?
[08:14] <romedog> octan how can you tell if the card has been detected
[08:14] <steveire> abattoir: This is horribly slow. ~20kbbs
[08:14] <octan> romedog, cuz alsamixer telle me the name of the card
[08:14] <octan> and it looks right
[08:14] <abattoir> steveire: yes, because it is also ripping simultaneously
[08:15] <romedog> ok
[08:15] <Werzi2001> hi@ll
[08:15] <steveire> simultaneously to what?
[08:15] <Werzi2001> my X is groken (like in the "title" of this channel)... but i can't update again... there are no updates .(
[08:15] <Werzi2001> can anyone help me? :(
[08:15] <romedog> can anyone point me to a link to recompiling the kernel with sound modules
[08:15] <octan> oki .. aplay /usr/share/sounds/k3b_success1.wav
[08:16] <octan> gives me sound
[08:16] <Mo-Z> !repo
[08:16] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[08:16] <abattoir> steveire: 1) the wav is being encoded into mp3 and 2) it then copies that file to wherever you want it... so it is normal that it is slow
[08:16] <octan> but my kmixer is not working
[08:16] <Werzi2001> i have dapper-updates enabled...
[08:17] <steveire> I get you. I could rip to ogg with better speed, but it would be false economy because I'd spend equivalent time converting to mp3?
[08:17] <egonw> hi all... I just backported cmake 2.4.3 to dapper... anyway I can share this with the world?
[08:17] <Werzi2001> hm... i have everything enabled :)
[08:18] <steveire> here's a good one: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=52053889
[08:19] <Ayabara> what app can I use to join avi files?
[08:21] <osiris> i think its avimerge
[08:26] <Werzi2001> re
[08:27] <Werzi2001> does nobody know how to fix my X problem?
[08:27] <Skrot> Hi. Whats the easiest way to install ATI-drivers? I tried easyubutnu, and it downloads the ATI packages and installs it. I've set the driver to "fglrx" in xorg.conf but I haven't got Direct Rendering?
[08:29] <Werzi2001> i have dapper-updates enabled... but there are no further updates :(
[08:29] <draik> I seem to be misunderstanding my kernel version... when I typed my password and logged in, I was "welcomed" to 3.5.2. As I do /sysinfo, it says that I have 3.5.4. What am I missing here?
[08:30] <b0uncer> Werzi2001: yeah you've now got the Ultimately Best And Most Pure OS Ever
[08:30] <b0uncer> that's why there are no updates anymore
[08:30] <b0uncer> never
[08:30] <abattoir> draik: kernel version or KDE version?
[08:30] <b0uncer> ;) ..or not
[08:30] <draik> KDE, sorry
[08:30] <soulrider> does anyone know where i can get Imlib2 ?
[08:30] <Werzi2001> but my X is broken... and the theme (of this channel) says that a further update would fix it :(
[08:30] <soulrider> i need it for kompos aparently
[08:30] <abattoir> draik: must have been and old splash/login screen
[08:31] <abattoir> draik: Help->About KDE should show the right version
[08:31] <draik> abattoir, it happened just after I entered my password and hit Enter to log in
[08:31] <Frederick> hi folks doesnt the image magick libs distributed in ubuntu have debug info?
[08:31] <soulrider> !info Imlib2
[08:31] <ubotu> Package imlib2 does not exist in any distro I know
[08:31] <DaSkreech> soulrider: Ahhh Kompose needs hardware rendering :)
[08:31] <abattoir> draik: as i said, must have been an old splash screen
[08:31] <draik> 3.5.4
[08:31] <draik> ok
[08:31] <abattoir> draik: then that's what you have :)
[08:31] <Lrd_Sivanicon> How do i turn TTY9(alt+ctrl+f9) so that it makes another GUI login or xserver.  I dont know what you would call that.
[08:32] <draik> Weren't there issues with 3.5.4?
[08:32] <soulrider> DaSkreech: im sure i can run it :P
[08:32] <b0uncer> yeah
[08:32] <b0uncer> there were
[08:32] <b0uncer> some small bugs
[08:33] <Mo-Z> !java
[08:33] <ubotu> java is an object oriented programming language. To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[08:33] <draik> any in particular?
[08:33] <Werzi2001> does nobody have the some problem i have?
[08:33] <DaSkreech> soulrider: Yeah but it would be much niceerwith hardware rendering :)
[08:33] <b0uncer> draik: some crashes when you tried to open some settings in control center etc.
[08:33] <b0uncer> nothing "big"
[08:33] <Mo-Z> Werzi2001:  what prob?
[08:33] <draik> b0uncer, but all that is fixed now, right?
[08:33] <Werzi2001> my X is broken (following error):
[08:33] <b0uncer> no I don't think it is
[08:33] <b0uncer> not yesterday at least
[08:34] <b0uncer> that's why I run 3.5.2
[08:34] <Werzi2001> nvidia: disagrees about version of symbol boot_cpu_data
[08:34] <draik> That's why I didn't upgrade... but somehow it did
[08:34] <Werzi2001> nvidia: Unknown symbol boot_cpu_data
[08:34] <b0uncer> "it did" ?
[08:34] <Werzi2001> i cannot start X (with nvidia... just vesa)
[08:35] <DaSkreech> Driver issue?
[08:35] <Mo-Z> Werzi2001: well.. i had prob with X after upgrade.. but nuttin' like that... try reinstalling your distro
[08:35] <Werzi2001> i just installed an update of the kernel...
[08:35] <Werzi2001> reinstalling the whole distro??? :(
[08:35] <Raul12> how do i reinstall grub it was lost when i reinstall windows ?
[08:36] <b0uncer> Werzi2001: you sure know you have to install the nvidia drivers every time you upgrade your kernel?
[08:36] <b0uncer> at least that was the case in the past
[08:36] <Mo-Z> Werzi2001:  Why not? I had to do it today..... had problems with cups
[08:36] <b0uncer> every kernel upgrade would break nvidia drivers
[08:36] <Raul12> pls any1
[08:36] <Werzi2001> is it possible to downgrade the kernel?
[08:36] <b0uncer> Raul12: use grub-install ..I'm not sure about the usage, read google
[08:36] <Werzi2001> to the lattest version i had...
[08:36] <b0uncer> Werzi2001: you still had to reinstall the driver imo
[08:36] <Lrd_Sivanicon> Mo-Z: i dont think a distro reinstall is the way to be handling problems that can probably be fixed
[08:37] <b0uncer> yeah...well unless you're using Windows
[08:37] <DaSkreech> Werzi2001: Yup
[08:37] <b0uncer> if you do, then you have to reinstall at times
[08:37] <DaSkreech> Just select it on Boot
[08:37] <Mo-Z> Lrd_Sivanicon:  but its the easiest way :D
[08:37] <Raul12> so how do i go in shell mode from kbuntu startup disk
[08:37] <Werzi2001> DaSkreech: how?
[08:37] <b0uncer> Mo-Z: then use a live-cd instead :)
[08:37] <Raul12> to install grub
[08:38] <DaSkreech> Werzi2001: Don't you get a grub screen on Boot?
[08:38] <h3sp4wn> Raul12: from the desktop cd ? or alternative ?
[08:38] <Mo-Z> b0uncer: well, the world is "open"
[08:38] <Werzi2001> yes
[08:38] <Werzi2001> i do
[08:38] <Raul12> means the kbuntu installation disk ?
[08:38] <Werzi2001> but there is no older kernel on my disk...
[08:38] <Werzi2001> and i dont know which it was
[08:39] <Raul12> but as long i remember their no option for rescue
[08:39] <DaSkreech> YOu can apt-get install it
[08:39] <Raul12> on disk
[08:39] <Lrd_Sivanicon> ANyone know how to make an additional xserver sorta like the TTY consoles?
[08:39] <b0uncer> Mo-Z: yeah but if you're planning to reinstall every once in a while, it's better to use a live-cd that you don't have to reinstall
[08:39] <b0uncer> in my opinion :)
[08:39] <draik> !source-o-matic
[08:39] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[08:39] <Werzi2001> hm... how do i know which i need?
[08:39] <b0uncer> anyway have a good night, I'll have to go..
[08:39] <Lrd_Sivanicon> Or is that worthless?
[08:39] <DaSkreech> Lrd_Sivanicon: Look into Xnest :)
[08:39] <Lrd_Sivanicon> daskreech: alright
[08:39] <Werzi2001> at the momen i have: 2.6.15-26-k7
[08:39] <DaSkreech> Lrd_Sivanicon: or you can just log in as a new user
[08:40] <Raul12> how do i reinstall my grub from kbuntu disk ??
[08:40] <DaSkreech> Werzi2001: You can apt-get install linux-kernel-k7=versionnumber
[08:40] <DaSkreech> !grub
[08:40] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[08:40] <DaSkreech> Raul12: There you go
[08:40] <Lrd_Sivanicon> daskreech: well i suppose i can just use the multiple workspaces but i need to remote into windows servers and like fullscreen so id like to just alt ctrl f? whatever
[08:40] <Raul12> ok
[08:41] <h3sp4wn> Lrd_Sivanicon: You can start X:1 on another vt if you want
[08:41] <Raul12> thanks
[08:41] <Raul12> ubotu
[08:41] <Raul12> n daskreech
[08:41] <Lrd_Sivanicon> h3sp4wn: so would that allow me to just do alt ctrl f? to switch to it?
[08:42] <h3sp4wn> Lrd_Sivanicon: Or use xserver-xephyr (xnest is depreciated and doesn't allow acceleration)
[08:42] <Lrd_Sivanicon> h3sp4wn: thanks ill look into it
[08:42] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: When did this happen?
[08:42] <Werzi2001> i'll try a bit... thx for your help
[08:43] <Skrot> Hi. I've intalled ATI drivers according to the Wiki, but the kernel module fglrx can't be loaded.. any ideas?
[08:43] <Bergie> hi there. can anyone give me some information how to compress wav files in audacity to MP3? i need the lame library, but can find it only for windows and mac
[08:43] <h3sp4wn> DaSkreech: Ages ago i.e before dapper at least
[08:43] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: Honestly?
[08:43] <h3sp4wn> DaSkreech: aptitude show xnest (and you get Use of the Xephyr X server instead of Xnest is recommended. )
[08:44] <txukie> hi all
[08:44] <txukie> ive got a little problem hope someone can give me a hand
[08:44] <DaSkreech> Doesn't dapper ship wiht xnest?
[08:44] <DaSkreech> !ask
[08:44] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[08:44] <txukie> i cant play wma files using listen
[08:45] <txukie> even though i can play them using totem
[08:45] <DaSkreech> txukie: Have you installed w32codecs
[08:45] <txukie> yeah
[08:45] <txukie> i have
[08:46] <txukie> both totem and listen use gstreamer
[08:46] <Lrd_Sivanicon> Got another quickie here, i made the bin folder in my home directory and my .bash_profile says that if that exits to add it to the $PATH but it dont work when i log in through gnome but works on the console TTYs
[08:46] <h3sp4wn> DaSkreech: No idea I don't think it is by default (but before I install something i do aptitude show whatever - and take any advice in there - which in this case was don't use xnest
[08:48] <DaSkreech> !away > gmalex
[08:48] <gmalex> sorry
[08:48] <txukie> nobody?
[08:48] <DaSkreech> No problem
[08:49] <DaSkreech> txukie: Never used listen :)
[08:49] <DaSkreech> !info listen
[08:49] <ubotu> Package listen does not exist in any distro I know
[08:49] <txukie> it does from unofficial repos
[08:50] <DaSkreech> Whats it do?
[08:50] <txukie> its a music player
[08:50] <txukie> http://listengnome.free.fr/
[08:51] <txukie> a bit like amarok but using gtk
[08:51] <DaSkreech> Ah ok
[08:51] <txukie> quite nice
[08:52] <Bergie> hi there. can anyone give me some information how to compress wav files in audacity to MP3? i need the lame library, but can find it only for windows and mac
[08:53] <Skrot> Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.15/linux-headers-2.6.15-26_2.6.15-26.47_i386.deb  403 Forbidden -- hum..
[08:54] <zorgluuu> Skrot: tried a apt-get update before ?
[08:54] <Skrot> yes
[08:54] <Skrot> try the url in a browser
[08:54] <Skrot> can you download the .deb?
[08:54] <zorgluuu> nope
[08:55] <Skrot> exactly :)
[08:55] <txukie> try another repo then ;)
[08:55] <DaSkreech> !info lame > Bergie
[08:55] <ubotu> lame: LAME Ain't an MP3 Encoder. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 3.96.1-1 (dapper), package size 222 kB, installed size 620 kB
[08:57] <draik> Am I able to build a server with Kubuntu? I want it to hold my website files and also have it to save files for others (like a temp holding spot and/or hosting)
[08:57] <DaSkreech> draik: sure
[08:57] <Bergie> where can i get lame from if its not in the repositories?
[08:57] <h3sp4wn> !info lame
[08:57] <ubotu> lame: LAME Ain't an MP3 Encoder. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 3.96.1-1 (dapper), package size 222 kB, installed size 620 kB
[08:57] <draik> DaSkreech, how would I go about doing that?
[08:58] <draik> where is a good place to begin my search?
[08:58] <h3sp4wn> draik: Install from the alternative cd and select server install
[08:58] <draik> alternative CD?
[08:58] <draik> never heard of it
[08:58] <DaSkreech> Bergie: It's in teh multiverse repositories
[08:58] <h3sp4wn> draik: used to be called the install cd
[08:59] <draik> oic
[08:59] <txukie> draik: do u want to have an user interface?
[08:59] <txukie> because the server install doesnt install any X
[08:59] <Bergie> i have all repositories enabled, do you perhaps know of anaother repository i should add?
[08:59] <draik> user interface for who? Me yes. Others... maybe just to upload through FTP
[08:59] <txukie> just install an apache and proftpd
[08:59] <draik> I can add X though, right?
[09:00] <txukie> from the server install? yes
[09:00] <cpk2> Bergie: we have told you about 4 times waht repo lame is in
[09:00] <txukie> but there isnt really any point in doing so
[09:00] <draik> please explain txukie
[09:01] <txukie> the server install is meant for servers and therefore doesnt install any desktop environment
[09:01] <txukie> basically u install and find a terminal and thats it
[09:01] <txukie> from there u can install what u want, even kde or gnome or whatever
[09:01] <draik> My idea is to have a hosting server, with Kubuntu
[09:01] <txukie> but for doing that u might as well install normal kubuntu
[09:01] <cpk2> draik: have you looked into apache?
[09:02] <txukie> well what u need then is apache
[09:02] <txukie> and proftpd
[09:02] <draik> haven't looked into anything... I didn't know what to search for
[09:02] <cpk2> draik: there is a wiki page on setting up apache/LAMP
[09:02] <draik> !apache
[09:02] <ubotu> lamp is a shortcut for Linux-Apache-Mysql-{PHP,Perl,Python}. To setup a LAMP server on Ubuntu, install the packages libapache2-mod-php5, php5-mysql, and mysql-server-5.0. You can also choose 'install a LAMP server' from the server install cd boot menu. See also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP
[09:03] <txukie> theres loads of info about apache
[09:03] <draik> very good
[09:03] <txukie> and how to set it up on a ubuntu install
[09:03] <cpk2> theres tons of stuff there that you can waste your time with on apache =P
[09:03] <draik> Are they a pain to maintain?
[09:03] <txukie> depending on ur web content u might wanna check as well php and mysql
[09:04] <txukie> depends
[09:04] <draik> it's really basic stuff... pix, hyperlinks, nothing special really
[09:04] <txukie> on what u wanna do
[09:04] <cpk2> i've found apach to be really simple
[09:04] <txukie> u have to make sure its well configured though
[09:04] <draik> cpk2, do you have one running?
[09:04] <txukie> dont get surprises in security
[09:04] <draik> configured, how?
[09:05] <txukie> basically make sure the rights are well configured
[09:05] <cpk2> they should already be configured correctly
[09:06] <cpk2> basically dont put something important in the apache folder
[09:06] <txukie> not necessarily the files he's gonna open to th world
[09:06] <cpk2> or link anything important to it
[09:06] <txukie> how many times have i found files .inc with info on connection to a mysql database
[09:06] <draik> what would go in the apache folder?
[09:06] <cpk2> stuff you want to share
[09:07] <txukie> your webpage
[09:07] <cpk2> its actually just the apache/var
[09:07] <draik> oic
[09:07] <txukie> is it under /var/www like under debian?
[09:07] <cpk2> yeah tahts it
[09:07] <cpk2> but you can link to it too so you dont need directories physically in it
[09:08] <txukie> yeah actually u should do that always
[09:08] <draik> do what always?
[09:08] <txukie> because otherwise people unfamiliar with apache will end up copying stuff with root privileges
[09:08] <txukie> ok draik imagine u wanna share an mp3 file
[09:08] <draik> ok
[09:09] <txukie> which is under /home/draik/myincredibletune.mp3
[09:09] <draik> ok
[09:09] <txukie> so instead of copying that file into /var/www
[09:09] <txukie> as root actually
[09:10] <txukie> u wanna link that file to /var/www/mytune.mp3
[09:10] <txukie> with the ln command
[09:10] <draik> to clear this us... /var/www is where my web files are, correct?
[09:10] <txukie> yeah
[09:10] <draik> ok
[09:10] <txukie> by default
[09:10] <txukie> they are there
[09:10] <draik> sudo ln ~/myincredibletune.mp3 /var/www/myincredibletune.mp3        correct?
[09:11] <txukie> yeah
[09:11] <txukie> and then u wanna give it the good rights
[09:11] <draik> would I do a simple       ln          or         ln -s      ?
[09:11] <txukie> so people from outside can read it
[09:11] <draik> good rights?
[09:11] <txukie> ln -s
[09:11] <draik> ok
[09:11] <txukie> yeah
[09:12] <inam> !language
[09:12] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[09:12] <txukie> u know about file rights
[09:12] <inam> !language-pack
[09:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about language-pack - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:12] <draik> yes I do
[09:12] <draik> rwx (owner) rwx (groups) rwx (world/others)
[09:12] <inam> !language pack
[09:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about language pack - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:12] <draik> correct?
[09:12] <txukie> yep
[09:12] <draik> ok
[09:12] <txukie> well the world needs to read that file
[09:12] <txukie> but not to write obviously
[09:13] <txukie> and that applies to almost all on the net
[09:13] <draik> so, I can do      chmod 775 filename      ?
[09:13] <txukie> except if u wanna set up a folder where users can upload their stuff
[09:13] <txukie> why u wana run an mp3 file?
[09:13] <draik> r-x = 101 (binary) = 5    that's my understanding
[09:14] <cpk2> they just need to read it though
[09:14] <cpk2> they dont need to execute it from you
[09:14] <cpk2> they just need to read it to pull it off your box
[09:15] <txukie> 664 should do
[09:15] <draik> 6?
[09:15] <txukie> read write
[09:15] <zorgluuu> 6 = 4 + 2 = rw-
[09:15] <draik> true, I don't need to execute anything from there since it's only a link
[09:15] <zorgluuu> the numbers are in octal
[09:15] <txukie> its not because its a link
[09:15] <draik> right
[09:15] <zorgluuu> r = 4, w = 2, x = 1
[09:16] <txukie> its because u cant execute an mp3 file
[09:16] <draik> I understand the numbering, but not the reason...
[09:16] <draik> nevermind
[09:16] <draik> got it
[09:16] <txukie> lol
[09:16] <cpk2> draik: also, you dont want random people executing random things on your box
[09:16] <txukie> its ok
[09:16] <draik> but for everything else I can do 666?
[09:16] <txukie> no
[09:16] <draik> sorry, 665
[09:16] <txukie> if u allow people to write on ur stuff
[09:16] <draik> ugh
[09:16] <draik> 664
[09:17] <txukie> they will overwrite ur data and change it
[09:17] <draik> hmmm
[09:17] <txukie> yeah thats it
[09:17] <txukie> 664
[09:17] <draik> If I want to allow users, what would I do for their files? 777?
[09:17] <zorgluuu> you can use letters too :)
[09:17] <cpk2> see all the fun you can have with apache?
[09:17] <txukie> no
[09:17] <draik> cpk2, yup. I'm gonna have fun with this
[09:18] <txukie> 777 makes no sense on a web server
[09:18] <draik> ok
[09:18] <draik> so no 777
[09:18] <draik> got it
[09:18] <txukie> set up a folder for them to play with with 666
[09:18] <cpk2> then you can set up user authentication for people who want to upload and make sure everything is nice and secure
[09:18] <draik> 666 their folders... ok
[09:18] <txukie> so they can write stuff on it
[09:19] <cpk2> you basically never want to allow execute
[09:19] <draik> ok
[09:19] <txukie> and if u wanna get complicated u can make them login against an ldap server and have each their own files with their own rights
[09:19] <txukie> so they dont delete each others stuff
[09:19] <txukie> :D
[09:19] <cpk2> lol
[09:19] <draik> txukie, that's what I have in mind
[09:19] <zorgluuu> in short, if your box contains sensitive data, find some experienced people to secure it :)
[09:19] <draik> ok
[09:20] <draik> nothing sensitive
[09:20] <txukie> draik: i think u complicate urself too much for beginning
[09:20] <draik> just simple hosting and such
[09:20] <inam> hi all... im trying to switch between 2 languages (under system settings -> regional)... is there a short cut key for doing the same ?
[09:20] <imanol_> is anybody outhere
[09:20] <txukie> an ldap is no trivial stuff
[09:20] <draik> I just want to get everything straight
[09:20] <draik> txukie and cpk2, thank you both very much for explaining apache for me
[09:21] <Martijn81> ehm-> 403 Forbidden http://security.ubuntu.com dapper-security/main linux-image-2.6.15-26-386 2.6.15-26.47
[09:21] <txukie> no problem
[09:21] <h3sp4wn> what about changing to 474 put whoever needs to upload into the group its owned by and chown it to www
[09:21] <crimsun> Martijn81: that's correct.
[09:22] <Martijn81> crimsun: oh, ok then :)
[09:22] <crimsun> 26.47 is broken; 26.48 addresses that.
[09:22] <txukie> h3sp4wn: u chown the www to www user u mean?
[09:23] <txukie> and give the root full privileges?
[09:23] <txukie> i mean
[09:23] <txukie> the www user group
[09:23] <h3sp4wn> create a group like webusers
[09:23] <txukie> apache install creates a webuser yeah
[09:24] <txukie> if you give full group privileges to the web user they would be able to change ur html code
[09:24] <draik> would I be able to do this install with the Kubuntu 6.06 i386 install CD?
[09:24] <cpk2> yes
[09:25] <txukie> yeah
[09:25] <cpk2> go to the wiki and search for lamp that will give you everything you possibly need to start up
[09:25] <draik> how do I select the apache server?
[09:25] <txukie> just use adept to install good packages
[09:25] <draik> right, sorry, forgot about the wiki page
[09:26] <cpk2> not sure what the difference is between apache and apache2 though
[09:26] <txukie> server version
[09:26] <h3sp4wn> tukie: www would not be in the group
[09:26] <smokingman81> hello there! 1 question: i'd like to buy a graphic pad, do you know one working under linux?
[09:27] <h3sp4wn> tukie: and with 474 permissions www would have read only access
[09:27] <txukie> i think u can use apache2
[09:27] <txukie> i thought u meant chowning the folder to user www and group www
[09:28] <cpk2> smokingman81: you mean a tablet pad?
[09:28] <smokingman81> yes
[09:29] <cpk2> smokingman81: i think this is what you are looking for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TabletSetup?highlight=%28tablet%29
[09:30] <smokingman81> thanks!:)
[09:31] <h3sp4wn> tukie: I said create a group called webusers (or whateveryoulike)
[09:32] <txukie> but what group owns the folder?
[09:32] <h3sp4wn> webusers which contains whichever usersnames need to be able to write to the dir (simple permissions thats all)
[09:33] <txukie> but if u add www to that group then they can write
[09:34] <h3sp4wn> Why would www be in that group ?
[09:34] <h3sp4wn> That would be stupid may as well just have 777 permissions on everything
[09:34] <txukie> well i dont see the point on ur webusers group then
[09:35] <txukie> i think im a bit lost :D
[09:35] <cpk2> webusers owns www right?
[09:35] <h3sp4wn> Whatever the document root is is owned by www
[09:36] <h3sp4wn> with 474 permissions - and whatever group needs write access as the group
[09:36] <txukie> i think the group has to be root
[09:36] <txukie> simple as that
[09:37] <txukie> ok i get that
[09:37] <cpk2> why?
[09:37] <txukie> so the group webusers what is it good for?
[09:38] <h3sp4wn> You put people in that group i.e yourusername who need write access to that directory
[09:38] <txukie> oh ok
[09:38] <txukie> i know why i didnt understand u now ur name is misleading ;)
[09:39] <jpiccolo> is there something closer to photoshop than gimp?
[09:39] <txukie> i think u wanna name it webadmins :)
[09:39] <txukie> jpiccolo: gimp-shop
[09:39] <Lrd_Sivanicon> h3sp4wn: i cant find anything on xserver-xephyr
[09:39] <malkavian> hi, i have small noobish quest... what i must do to run gcc form console on kubuntu? i have installed gcc packages with adept, what now?
[09:40] <jpiccolo> !gimp-shop
[09:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gimp-shop - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:40] <h3sp4wn> !info xserver-xephyr
[09:40] <ubotu> xserver-xephyr: Nested X server. In component universe, is optional. Version 6.6.1-0ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 438 kB, installed size 944 kB
[09:40] <gan|y|med> hi
[09:41] <Lrd_Sivanicon> h3sp4wn: lol thats nice to know but so is how to use it or set it up of that effect
[09:41] <h3sp4wn> Lrd_Sivanicon: /usr/bin/Xephyr :1 -ac -screen 1024x768 (you can start on in the current screen like that)
[09:41] <h3sp4wn> Lrd_Sivanicon: There is a full screen switch but I don't remember it
[09:41] <gan|y|med> could anybody please look at this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23461
[09:42] <gan|y|med> i get the following error: Warning: Cannot use a scalar value as an array in...
[09:42] <gan|y|med> i don't know where the scalar value comes from
[09:42] <gan|y|med> hups, wrong channel, i am sorry
[09:43] <cpk2> lol
[09:43] <ninix> i got a black screen with the Live CD :S
[09:43] <ninix> (i tryed also to reburn it at 8x) no success
[09:43] <cpk2> dont use the live cd?
[09:44] <cpk2> did you check the cd for errors?
[09:44] <txukie> ninix: use the alternate cd
[09:44] <ninix> i NEED the live cd
[09:44] <ninix> cause my raid0 is not supported with the alternate cd
[09:44] <txukie> no u dont
[09:44] <ninix> cpk2: all checksum are ok
[09:44] <txukie> u using edgy?
[09:44] <ninix> dapper
[09:45] <txukie> run in failsafe mode
[09:45] <ninix> gonna try
[09:48] <ninix> seem to work ! /me dance
[09:48] <kraut> what do i need, th reinstall the nvidia modul, when adept installed therefore a new kernel?
[09:49] <kraut> when i startx, then i'll get a message, that there are unknown symbols in nvidia.ko
[09:50] <Hawkwind> kraut: Just reinstall the nvidia-glx package IIRC
[09:50] <Hawkwind> !nvidia > kraut
[09:50] <|lostbyte|> Good evening friends.
[09:50] <riri_> hi
[09:50] <txukie> hi
[09:50] <kraut> Hawkwind: hmm, then it's broken
[09:50] <kraut> i did :/
[09:50] <txukie> congrats ninix
[09:51] <|lostbyte|> riri_, txukie hi :)
[09:52] <h3sp4wn> kraut: just boot the old kernel for the time being -
[09:52] <riri_> is knot 3 out ?
[09:52] <txukie> think it is
[09:52] <kraut> h3sp4wn: yes, let's try another thing and then i have a look for the old kernel
[09:52] <riri_> it should be
[09:52] <h3sp4wn> kraut: I think there is a broken dapper-security kernel which would have no restricted-modules with it
[09:52] <aseigo> https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/tab-consistency
[09:53] <riri_> txukie : do you know where ?
[09:53] <txukie> i wish /etc/issue wud give me the knot version
[09:53] <kraut> h3sp4wn: that could be the point
[09:54] <riri_> dein gruss got
[09:55] <Al> oi oi
[09:55] <Al> Can someone suggest a gaim-a-like for KDE? thanks.
[09:55] <txukie> riri_: search here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/
[09:55] <txukie> Al: kopete
[09:55] <Al> ty
[09:56] <kraut> h3sp4wn: i updated the staff with the actuall dapper repositority and it works now
[09:56] <Al> oh it's installed :x
[09:56] <kraut> h3sp4wn: so the new kernel was crap
[09:56] <txukie> riri_: apparently knot3 images are not out yet
[09:56] <txukie> last image is knot2
[09:56] <txukie> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/edgy/knot-2/
[09:56] <riri_> yes
[09:57] <riri_> thanks
[09:57] <riri_> i used it for 15 days
[09:57] <h3sp4wn> kraut: I think they are in the process of fixing it at the moment - (from ubuntu+1 20:21 < crimsun> there are slightly more pressing issues, like a dapper-security kernel.)
[09:58] <riri_> txukie bon app
[09:59] <kraut> h3sp4wn: yes, for example it overwrite my grub menu.lst
[10:01] <h3sp4wn> kraut: It deleted the old kernels from it ?
[10:01] <kraut> h3sp4wn: no, but i had some staff at # defoptions and it was away.
[10:02] <h3sp4wn> That should not happen (although anything inside the debian automagic kernel stuff I would expect to be overwritten when update-grub is run)
[10:04] <kraut> h3sp4wn: i know, but not at that section
[10:04] <kraut> things like that shouldn't happen :/
[10:06] <Acidic32> whats a good .iso burner?
[10:06] <|lostbyte|> Acidic32, k3b
[10:06] <Admiral_Chicago> Acidic32, K3B
[10:07] <Acidic32> ok
[10:08] <BluesKaj> devede23
[10:08] <Acidic32> im using Xubuntu actually LOL
[10:08] <Acidic32> but got KDE installed aswell
[10:08] <Acidic32> lol
[10:09] <Acidic32> i used to run XFCE with FreeBSD, so i got used to the way it works :p
[10:09] <Acidic32> and less bloated than kde, me thinks :)
[10:09] <BluesKaj> devede23 will convert avi files to mpeg or dvd or iso, whatever you need then it auto links to k3b to burn the file
[10:10] <Acidic32> cool
[10:10] <BluesKaj> yup, works well
[10:11] <BluesKaj> just watch the enron collapse documentary "The smartest guys in the room " durned to dvd from avi on my HTdvdplayer
[10:11] <BluesKaj> watched
[10:11] <Acidic32> da.one.and.only.mrmoss.net :P
[10:11] <Hawkwind> BluesKaj: devede23 ?
[10:11] <BluesKaj> yes
[10:11] <Hawkwind> BluesKaj: Got a link for it ?
[10:11] <BluesKaj> lemme look
[10:12] <Hawkwind> So it's similar to tovid I'd assume
[10:13] <Hawkwind> BluesKaj: http://www.rastersoft.com/programas/devede.html
[10:13] <Hawkwind> BluesKaj: Heh, found it :)
[10:16] <BluesKaj> http://rastersoft.com/programas/devede.html
[10:16] <BluesKaj> ok :)
[10:16] <BluesKaj> there's an english page
[10:17] <BluesKaj> tovid is less stable ..devede23 lets K3b do the burning , it merely converts the videp K3b refuses to copy
[10:17] <BluesKaj> video
[10:18] <BluesKaj> if you try K3b directly it won't work ...devede23 strips any protection out
[10:18] <BluesKaj> basically a converter , but a much needed one
[10:20] <BluesKaj> tovid only works 50% of the time in my experience and fails alot that's why i don't use anything but  +RW media for burning stuff downloaded from torrent sites etc
[10:22] <burns2> ae.. voltei...
[10:23] <BluesKaj> !it
[10:23] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[10:27] <pavle> t
[10:27] <txukie> riri_: merci
[10:27] <rylasasin> ah there we go
[10:27] <rylasasin> glad to have dumped winblowz
[10:27] <rylasasin> (actually I just switched from my winblowz computer with has a lot of high end hardware to my used gateway... but still.)
[10:28] <pavle> whats "winblowz" like some hacker language
[10:29] <Chousuke> pavle: ?
[10:29] <rylasasin> windows
[10:29] <octan> which repo do i find lame?
[10:29] <octan> !lame
[10:29] <ubotu> lame: LAME Ain't an MP3 Encoder. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 3.96.1-1 (dapper), package size 222 kB, installed size 620 kB
[10:29] <rylasasin> how do I change the size of my desktop now?
[10:30] <trappist> could someone on dapper tell me what "grep lsb /etc/init.d/kdm" says?
[10:30] <rylasasin> nm
[10:30] <txukie> its just a friendly nickname
[10:31] <Hawkwind> trappist: I get nothing back from that
[10:31] <trappist> Hawkwind: on dapper, right?
[10:31] <txukie> neither i do in edgy
[10:31] <Hawkwind> trappist: Correct.
[10:31] <Hawkwind> trappist: Nor in Edgy either
[10:31] <trappist> Hawkwind: awesome, thanks
[10:31] <obf213> if flash sound just stop working how do i get it back
[10:31] <Hawkwind> trappist: No problem
[10:31] <obf213> do i have to restart the computer
[10:32] <obf213> or is there a way to shut down alsa and restart it
[10:32] <txukie> obf213: restart arts
[10:32] <obf213> txukie
[10:32] <obf213> what is arts?
[10:32] <txukie> the sound backend for kde
[10:32] <octan> hey.. i need lame MP3 encoding library for my mythtv installation.. else i wount configure.. where do i get lame?
[10:33] <Hawkwind> octan: The bot told you just a minute ago
[10:33] <Hawkwind> octan: It's in multiverse
[10:33] <ketsugi> Where can I find a link to Kubuntu's update manager?
[10:33] <obf213> err ok, txukie how do  i restart
[10:33] <octan> Hawkwind, that means jack to me.. can you give me a multiverse repo?
[10:33] <obf213> !arts
[10:33] <ubotu> arts: sound system from the official KDE release. In component main, is optional. Version 1.5.2-0ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 5 kB, installed size 36 kB
[10:33] <Hawkwind> !multiverse > octan
[10:34] <Hawkwind> !repos > octan
[10:34] <obf213> txukie, any clue how i restart arts or w/e
[10:34] <Hawkwind> octan: Read the info the bot gave you and setup all your repos correctly
[10:34] <root___> how can i get kubuntu do an interactive startup, i.e.ask before starting each service?
[10:35] <octan> Hawkwind, what kid of stupid configuration method is that for add in simle lines.. i do it in kate
[10:35] <obf213> anybody know how i can restart arts
[10:36] <Hawkwind> octan: You can manually edit the file too using your favorite editor if you want.  That info just tells you the basics
[10:36] <txukie> artsd
[10:36] <DaSkreech> Anyone have a few years of bash admin experince to explain what a line of bash does?
[10:36] <octan> Hawkwind, well i gives me no address for a multiverse repo
[10:37] <octan> only deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu dapper-commercial main
[10:37] <obf213> txukie it says something about there are already artsd register objects
[10:37] <Hawkwind> octan: Add 'multiverse' to your repos that have main universe already
[10:37] <obf213> rror: Can't add object reference (probably artsd is already running).
[10:37] <obf213>        If you are sure it is not already running, remove the relevant files:
[10:37] <DaSkreech> svrmgrl << 0xff
[10:37] <txukie> i dont remember
[10:37] <DaSkreech> What does that do?
[10:37] <txukie> som,ething like artsd restart
[10:37] <cvt> how regain the ability to open log files in firefox?
[10:41] <BluesKaj> do i have to save each session at logoff in order to keep my screensaver and othe program settings every time i decide to shut the pc down ? For some reson my screensaver and some other settings are disappearing when i log back on in the morning
[10:45] <BluesKaj> DaSkreech, is there a command that saves all my changes so they will still appear the next logon ?
[10:45] <octan> Hawkwind, ok thank you :) got it
[10:45] <BluesKaj> anyone ?
[10:46] <txukie> DaSkreech: give those lines of bash
[10:46] <Hawkwind> octan: No problem
[10:46] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: Yeah
[10:46] <DaSkreech> svrmgrl << 0xff
[10:46] <octan> BluesKaj yes
[10:46] <Acidic32> BluesKaj: i thought KDE saved auto on gracefull shutdown..
[10:47] <Acidic32> mine did..
[10:47] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: That shouldn't affect the screensaver though
[10:47] <DaSkreech>  what settings are changing
[10:47] <warpzone> I sometime have that same prob, seems sometimes settings dont seem to save
[10:47] <DaSkreech> txukie: You know some bash?
[10:47] <BluesKaj> scrnsaver has to be reset every session
[10:47] <txukie> svrmrgl is a variable i guess
[10:47] <DaSkreech> txukie: no a command
[10:47] <txukie> never heard of it
[10:48] <Jonty> Hmm. Does anyone know of time-shifting stream software for Linux?
[10:48] <DaSkreech> Doesn't matter what does the last part do?
[10:48] <txukie> DaSkreech: im more experienced in ksh really
[10:48] <txukie> addition
[10:49] <DaSkreech> ok well whathappens when you pipe in a hex number?
[10:49] <txukie> 0xff adds an hexadecimal value of ff
[10:49] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: reset?
[10:49] <txukie> 256
[10:50] <txukie> well depends on the command really
[10:50] <txukie> i dont know what that commands does
[10:50] <DaSkreech> txukie: Well it starts a subshell which manages a server
[10:51] <txukie> is this oracle based?
[10:51] <DaSkreech> Yup
[10:51] <txukie> funny ive never used it myself and i work with oracle everyday lol
[10:51] <DaSkreech> I'm trying to start up a slew of databses from the command line without having to interact with the subshell
[10:52] <txukie> its deprecated it seems
[10:52] <Eeyore_Jr> hi.  i would like to use bluefish editor on kubuntu, but cannot install kubuntu.  this means i will have to use the live cd.  will i be required to download bluefish editor every time i want to use it after booting from the live cd or is there a way to write to a usb drive
[10:52] <DaSkreech> Yeah trust me I'm using it :)
[10:52] <txukie> so is it like sqlplus?
[10:52] <BluesKaj> yeah, i hve to go into system settings/desktop/scsaver
[10:53] <cpk2> >=|
[10:53] <cpk2> freaking modprobe and ndiswrapper
[10:53] <DaSkreech> txukie: Kinda in terms of the subshell
[10:53] <cpk2> iwconfig always seems to ignore
[10:53] <cpk2> me
[10:53] <txukie> DaSkreech: i think it gives an interrupt signal
[10:53] <DaSkreech>  But as itstands now if thecomputer reboots for some perverse reason someone still has to manullay startp the databases
[10:54] <Eeyore_Jr> is there a vmware for kubuntu ?
[10:54] <txukie> wot server is it running on?
[10:54] <Eeyore_Jr> open source
[10:54] <DaSkreech> as in hardqware or which Oracle?
[10:55] <txukie> DaSkreech: as in os
[10:55] <BluesKaj> does anyone have quicktime installed in dapper ?
[10:55] <txukie> Eeyore_Jr: yeah there is one
[10:55] <txukie> Eeyore_Jr: go to vmware page
[10:55] <Eeyore_Jr> know the name?  i need to launch kubuntu from windows or live cd and preserve program installations
[10:55] <spiderworm> anyone here use knetworkmanager?
[10:56] <BluesKaj> install kubuntu on aseperate partition
[10:56] <txukie> Eeyore_Jr: vmware workstation
[10:57] <txukie> spiderworm: i do
[10:57] <Eeyore_Jr> BluesKaj: not an option for me
[10:57] <soulrider> does anyone know if i get a dual core processor if im gonna have to reinstall kubuntu? because of the architecture or something =/
[10:57] <spiderworm> txukie: have you updated that package recently or your kernel?
[10:57] <txukie> soulrider: no
[10:57] <Admiral_Chicago> soulrider, probably
[10:57] <Admiral_Chicago> really?
[10:57] <Admiral_Chicago> i thought you had to...
[10:57] <DaSkreech> txukie: Red hat 2
[10:57] <Admiral_Chicago> oh well
[10:57] <MetaMorfoziS> k3b
[10:57] <soulrider> =/
[10:57] <soulrider> well
[10:57] <MetaMorfoziS> sry no to there
[10:57] <soulrider> my dad said he might be buying me a dual core :P
[10:58] <soulrider> yesterday i ahda  prgoramming contest and got second place =)
[10:58] <DaSkreech> soulrider: Just install a SMP kernel
[10:58] <Admiral_Chicago> soulrider, awesome
[10:58] <soulrider> yea
[10:58] <Ingmar^> powersave used to have the ability to control cpu-speed, but on edgy i don't see that in the menu anymore, is there any other way ? or has it been removed ?
[10:58] <soulrider> i only took one semester of programming
[10:58] <txukie> Admiral_Chicago: u have smp in kernels
[10:58] <soulrider> and anyone in college could sign up =)
[10:59] <Ingmar^> kpowersave, that is
[10:59] <Admiral_Chicago> txukie, is that a question?
[10:59] <txukie> DaSkreech: you can lift servers open init
[10:59] <Admiral_Chicago> i have no idea
[10:59] <txukie> Admiral_Chicago: no
[10:59] <spiderworm> txukie: i updated my packages today which included both a knetworkmanager update and a kernel update, now knetworkmanager no longer shows any networks
[11:00] <txukie> check your file /etc/network/interfaces
[11:00] <spiderworm> txukie: its not in there
[11:00] <spiderworm> txukie: it is detecting my wireless card and using it still
[11:00] <txukie> it needs to be
[11:00] <spiderworm> txukie: what? they changed it?
[11:01] <naegling23> arrrrgggg is there any way to save the audio delay in mplayer, its driving me crazy
[11:01] <spiderworm> txukie: before it was that the wireless device shouldnt be in there
[11:01] <spiderworm> txukie: now you're telling me to put it in there?
[11:04] <Prm753> Hi, I have a question about partitioning
[11:04] <Prm753> With the kubuntu installer
[11:04] <spiderworm> Prm753: whats your question
[11:04] <DaSkreech> txukie: eh? :)
[11:05] <Prm753> I am installing a Linux distro that is based on kubuntu. The installation program has the kubuntu logo on it. I have made it to step 5 of 6 on the installation process
[11:05] <Prm753> Do you follow so far?
[11:05] <Jonty> yes
[11:06] <sdlnxgk> !flash
[11:06] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:06] <vhogemann> !bluetooth
[11:06] <ubotu> For instructions on how to set up bluetooth, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup
[11:06] <vhogemann> !Acer
[11:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about Acer - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:07] <DaSkreech> !fishing
[11:07] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops
[11:07] <Prm753> So, I have selected to resize my partition, which has Windows XP on it
[11:07] <Prm753> My question is, which way to I slide the blame slider
[11:07] <Prm753> do*
[11:09] <txukie> spiderworm: sorry i was busy
[11:10] <spiderworm> np
[11:10] <Frederick> folks where is the char map for kubuntu?
[11:10] <txukie> if u dont have the file it needs to be created
[11:11] <vhogemann> !TravelMate
[11:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about TravelMate - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:11] <banym> my configurator for kdm doesn`t work is it a known bug ore something else
[11:11] <spiderworm> txukie: i have the file, its just that with the previous version of knetworkmanager i was supposed to REMOVE the wireless card entry from /etc/network/interfaces, so i did
[11:12] <naegling23> how can I get mplayer to sync audio and video
[11:12] <txukie> not remove it
[11:12] <spiderworm> txukie: but you're telling me im supposed to put it back in so im a little confused i guess
[11:12] <txukie> just not configure it
[11:12] <txukie> oh sorry maybe im saying silly things
[11:12] <spiderworm> txukie: what would be an example of keeping the device in there without configuring it?
[11:12] <txukie> actually that was an old version
[11:12] <spiderworm> txukie: not doing auto on it?
[11:13] <txukie> so is the device not showing at all in knetworkmanager?
[11:13] <spiderworm> the device shows, but not any networks
[11:13] <txukie> ok
[11:13] <txukie> what does iwlist tells u?
[11:13] <spiderworm> i can of course connect to networks without knetworkmanager
[11:14] <spiderworm> txukie: im telling you its not something like that :) im in range and capable of connecting via the command line
[11:14] <spiderworm> to prove it, will connect via irc on that computer :D
[11:14] <txukie> spiderworm: maybe its a bit silly but you have checked you havent turned off the wireless detection in knetworkmanager have you?
[11:15] <spiderworm> will double check
[11:15] <spiderworm> no i havent done that
[11:15] <spider-worm> here i am
[11:15] <unix_infidel> anyone here have ob3 dot files that have similar functionality to flux?
[11:16] <unix_infidel> the default dot files are really unusable.
[11:16] <txukie> was knetworkmanager recently upgraded?
[11:16] <spider-worm> txukie: so I take it then that you're running the updated knetworkmanager package and the updated kernel?
[11:16] <spider-worm> aha there we go
[11:16] <spider-worm> yes, today both my knetworkmanager and my kernel packages were upgraded
[11:16] <txukie> im running edgy
[11:16] <spider-worm> ooh
[11:17] <spider-worm> fancy :D
[11:17] <txukie> try downgrading knetworkmanager
[11:17] <spider-worm> yeah, will do
[11:17] <rylasasin> um guys for some strange reason my sound won't work when I plugged in the headphones
[11:17] <rylasasin> nm
[11:17] <txukie> and/or using old kernel
[11:18] <unix_infidel> anyone for the ob3 question?
[11:18] <rylasasin> sounds on a webpage won't play though
[11:18] <shegman> yeah. what is ob3?
[11:18] <txukie> !ob3
[11:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ob3 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:20] <unix_infidel> heh ob3 is a wm that ships with just the basics in Kubuntu
[11:20] <shegman> ok
[11:20] <unix_infidel> i'm wondering if anyone here who transitioned from flux has some dot files that gave them the same functionality.
[11:20] <txukie> from fluxbox to ob3 window manager?
[11:21] <unix_infidel> yes.
[11:21] <txukie> not me
[11:21] <txukie> sorry
[11:21] <txukie> ive used fluxbox but not ob3
[11:22] <txukie> never heard of ob3 in fact
[11:22] <unix_infidel> openbox?
[11:22] <txukie> oh ok
[11:22] <txukie> no never used it
[11:23] <unix_infidel> !openbox
[11:23] <ubotu> openbox is a lightweight window manager. For instructions and more information see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Openbox. To replace metacity with Openbox please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Replace_Metacity_with_Openbox_in_gnome
[11:24] <txukie> yeah ive heard of it
[11:24] <DaSkreech> txukie: It's called a here document :)
[11:24] <WorldBFree> does kubuntu use the apt-get command?
[11:24] <txukie> it is based in blackbox
[11:24] <WorldBFree> im looking to switch, but i really like debian
[11:24] <txukie> WorldBFree: yes it does
[11:24] <txukie> DaSkreech: ok thanks
[11:25] <h3sp4wn> WorldBFree: It can or use aptitude (I think aptitude works better - and that is definately the recommended way in debian)
[11:25] <WorldBFree> what makes aptitude better?
[11:25] <Admiral_Chicago> is knot 3 out fet?
[11:26] <txukie> WorldBFree: dependency mnagement
[11:26] <octan> !jail
[11:26] <ubotu> jail: Just Another ICMP Logger. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:1.6-4 (dapper), package size 16 kB, installed size 136 kB
[11:26] <octan> !jailer
[11:26] <ubotu> jailer: Builds and maintains chrooted environments. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4-8 (dapper), package size 11 kB, installed size 116 kB
[11:26] <Admiral_Chicago> yet*
[11:26] <WorldBFree> txukie, does aptitude use very similar repositories?
[11:26] <h3sp4wn> WorldBFree: regular expressions and dependancy management - you can do regular expressions with apt-cache / dpkg and | but its more complicated
[11:26] <octan> !wiki jailer
[11:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wiki jailer - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:27] <h3sp4wn> WorldBFree: oh yes and awk
[11:27] <octan> blah
[11:27] <h3sp4wn> !info jailer
[11:27] <ubotu> jailer: Builds and maintains chrooted environments. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4-8 (dapper), package size 11 kB, installed size 116 kB
[11:27] <txukie> WorldBFree: it uses the same repos as apt-get
[11:27] <octan> no.. i need more info
[11:28] <WorldBFree> how does the aptitude command work?
[11:28] <txukie> as apt-get
[11:28] <txukie> aptitude install foo
[11:28] <txukie> aptitude update
[11:28] <txukie> aptitude dist-upgrade
[11:28] <octan> how do i jail firefox with flash & java to 32 bit ?
[11:28] <txukie> and so on
[11:30] <WorldBFree> does kubuntu also support all major media formats for playback such as wmv and wma?
[11:30] <octan> no & yes
[11:30] <txukie> WorldBFree: i wouldnt call wma mayor but yeah it does support them, not out of the box of course
[11:30] <octan> you need to add some repos to get the codecs
[11:31] <WorldBFree> txukie, i dont use them but a lot of embedded videos on the internet do and stuff and its a pain when they dont laod
[11:31] <WorldBFree> *load
[11:31] <txukie> yeah i know
[11:31] <octan> hey help me :P
[11:31] <txukie> sorry octan no 64 bits in here
[11:32] <octan> i just need to know how to jail em to 32 bit
[11:32] <octan> i know thers some app | command to do so,,
[11:32] <octan> i just dont know it :P
[11:33] <txukie> can u not use chroot?
[11:33] <octan> i dont know
[11:33] <bodly> octan: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575
[11:33] <Admiral_Chicago> chmod?
[11:33] <humbert> is it normal i cannot access microsoft website with konqueror ?
[11:33] <humbert> www.microsoft.fr
[11:34] <octan> bodly, thank you
[11:34] <txukie> lol it crashes my konqueror
[11:34] <WorldBFree> has anybody experimented with kde 4.  do you like the changes?
[11:34] <humbert> konqueror bugs on this adress ;-)
[11:34] <D4m4ge> hi
[11:34] <bodly> i had a 32 bit chroot for a while, but i deleted it to reclaim the space
[11:35] <txukie> im using edgy so i guess its normal
[11:35] <D4m4ge> good evening
[11:35] <D4m4ge> I am looking for a good torrent client for kde
[11:35] <D4m4ge> ktorrent does not work fine tonight, i dont know why...
[11:36] <txukie> octan: have u tried method described here http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=62685&highlight=chroot+64+bits
[11:36] <Ingmar^> D4m4ge: it's not a torrent client for kde, but Torrent does a great job under wine, it's a personal preference ofcourse
[11:36] <cpk2> you could try azureus as well
[11:36] <txukie> sorry nevermind that link
[11:37] <octan> txukie, i have tryed 0 methods
[11:37] <D4m4ge> azureurs does not launch, it crashes, maybe due to my java VM version....dunno
[11:37] <h3sp4wn> WorldBFree: afaik kde 4 doesn't exist - the 3.8 that is available is just 3.5.4 built with qt4 at the moment
[11:37] <D4m4ge> thank you :)
[11:37] <octan> hu.. mplayer works fine tho
[11:37] <octan> no problems with it
[11:38] <jmichaelx> has anyone in here had success in enabling 1280 x 1024 resolution with an (older) ATI Radeon video card?
[11:38] <txukie> octan: i dont think that a 64 bit ubuntu is a very good ide
[11:38] <D4m4ge> oh my god, i'ts not ktorrent that does not work well, it's my internet connection
[11:38] <txukie> i personally would switch to gentoo
[11:38] <D4m4ge> oO
[11:38] <octan> txukie i do
[11:39] <jmichaelx> secondly, could someone tell me where i can get 'frglx'?
[11:39] <D4m4ge> I download at 12Kb/s right now...wtf...
[11:39] <cpk2> D4m4ge: that could be a problem =P
[11:39] <D4m4ge> :)
[11:39] <cpk2> !frglx
[11:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about frglx - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:39] <cpk2> !ino frglx
[11:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ino frglx - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:39] <cpk2> !info frglx
[11:39] <ubotu> Package frglx does not exist in any distro I know
[11:39] <cpk2> oops
[11:39] <octan> txukie now as i know how to jail em im fine off with the amd64 version :)
[11:39] <D4m4ge> !xorg-driver-fglrx
[11:39] <jmichaelx> hmm
[11:39] <ubotu> xorg-driver-fglrx: Video driver for ATI graphics accelerators. In component restricted, is optional. Version 7.0.0-8.25.18+2.6.15.11-3 (dapper), package size 10309 kB, installed size 29468 kB
[11:39] <D4m4ge> ^^
[11:39] <txukie> its fglrx
[11:40] <h3sp4wn> jmichaelx: I have remembered I think you need to use the mach64 xserver
[11:40] <jmichaelx> that explains that lol
[11:40] <h3sp4wn> !info xserver-driver-mach64
[11:40] <ubotu> Package xserver-driver-mach64 does not exist in any distro I know
[11:40] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: you mean for my card?
[11:40] <Infecto> !fglrx
[11:40] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:40] <Infecto> ;] 
[11:41] <h3sp4wn> jmichaelx: Yes for rage 3d
[11:41] <txukie> bye everybody
[11:41] <cpk2> bye
[11:42] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: ok, when i am in the display settings, it seems to recognize my card as "mach 64 utah".... do i still need to enable xserver-driver-mach64?
[11:42] <octan> bodly, is that link you gave me for hoary version?
[11:42] <h3sp4wn> jmichaelx: glxinfo | grep direct (If it says no then its not working properly)
[11:43] <bodly> octan: yes it is a little old.  but it should work if you change the references from hoary to dapper
[11:43] <octan> i'll try it
[11:43] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: it says no
[11:44] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: i am not as concerned about 3D graphics as I am about the screen rez
[11:45] <h3sp4wn> jmichaelx: What is the screen res currently at ?
[11:45] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: 1024 x 768
[11:46] <h3sp4wn> And what resolution do you want ?
[11:46] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: i would like 1280 x 1024
[11:46] <h3sp4wn> jmichaelx: What resolution can the monitor do ? hz ?
[11:47] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: the screen can do 1280 x 1024.... i had it set on that rez in windows
[11:47] <jmichaelx> i think 60hz
[11:47] <h3sp4wn> Is it a laptop or desktop ?
[11:47] <jmichaelx> desktop
[11:47] <h3sp4wn> on an lcd panel ?
[11:48] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: yes
[11:48] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: but a very old PC
[11:48] <h3sp4wn> jmichaelx: pastebin /etc/X11/xorg.conf (and I will give you a modeline to try)
[11:48] <jmichaelx> ok
[11:50] <naegling23> I hate mplayer, is there any other program that can run the video files in firefox?
[11:51] <Admiral_Chicago> naegling23, vlc i think can hadle it
[11:51] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23474
[11:52] <jmichaelx> Admiral_Chicago: i never got vlc to work well in firefox for embedded stuff.... mplayer is less than perfect, but is the way to go for now
[11:52] <Admiral_Chicago> not sure though
[11:52] <Admiral_Chicago> jmichaelx, then mplayer it is
[11:52] <Admiral_Chicago> why not use gplayer or something like that
[11:53] <h3sp4wn> jmichaelx: Did you put those modelines in yourself ?
[11:53] <Admiral_Chicago> it changes the way mplayer works right?
[11:53] <naegling23> mplayer cant sync my audio/video, as far as im concerned, that means it doesnt even work
[11:53] <Admiral_Chicago> don't remember what it is exactly
[11:53] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: which one(s)? i did not manually modify any modelines
[11:54] <h3sp4wn> jmichaelx: By default I don't think there are any modelines in xorg.conf
[11:54] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: i did set the video ram to something ridiculous in reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:54] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: there is nothing there that i added
[11:54] <keldon85> !java
[11:54] <ubotu> java is an object oriented programming language. To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[11:55] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: ok, i am looking at those modelines now, and i certainly did not add ANY of those
[11:56] <Sybux> hi
[11:57] <h3sp4wn> jmichaelx: get rid of all the modelines except 1280x1024@60
[11:57] <Sybux> He, what the hell ?!?! I've just updated my system with apt-get upgrade and now aiglx won't start. If I try to run the script based in .kde/Autostart, it says : [Desktop: command not found ???
[11:58] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: will do
[11:58] <Admiral_Chicago> Sybux, ask in #ubuntu-xgl
[11:58] <Admiral_Chicago> we can help you there a lot better
[11:58] <Sybux> ok
[11:59] <h3sp4wn> jmichaelx: And in the modes line - just have 1280x1024@60 then some lower res modes if you wish
[11:59] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: can i just comment out the ones i don't want?
[12:00] <Admiral_Chicago> jmichaelx, thats best
[12:01] <h3sp4wn> jmichaelx: If you want (I find dd in vi to be quicker)
[12:03] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: ok, i am going to restart and see what happens
[12:03] <jmichaelx> brb
[12:03] <h3sp4wn> jmichaelx: in the video modes you only have the one you want right ?
[12:06] <francesco_> ciao a tutti
[12:06] <francesco_> milano?
[12:07] <francesco_> c' qualcuno?
[12:07] <h3sp4wn> !it
[12:07] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[12:07] <francesco_> eeehyyyyyyy
[12:07] <francesco_> ok
[12:07] <h3sp4wn> (I guess that was italian)
[12:08] <francesco_> ciao a tutti
[12:08] <francesco_> Milano?
[12:08] <francesco_> c' qualcuno?
[12:08] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: changing that modeline does not appear to have changed anything (if just restarting x was enough, i didn't reboot)
[12:09] <h3sp4wn> I would move xorg.conf to your home directory and run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg