[12:31] <pygi> hey HedgeMage, ogra 
[12:31] <ogra> hey hey
[12:31] <ogra> me waves from detroit
[12:32] <pygi> ogra, nice ^_^
[12:32] <pygi> had a good flight?
[12:32] <ogra> sure
[12:32] <ogra> every flight that doesnt crash is a god one, no ?
[12:32] <pygi> right :)
[12:33] <pygi> so while you fix ltsp, I have to fix libburn ^_^
[12:33] <pygi> so while you are fixing ltsp bugs, I have to work on libburn*
[12:33] <pygi> bleh, this was a massive typo :P
[12:34] <pygi> now I go sleep
[12:34] <pygi> take care ^_^
[12:41] <stormchas3r> !schooltool
[12:41] <ubotu> schooltool: common platform for school administration. In component main, is optional. Version 0.11.4-1build1 (dapper), package size 31 kB, installed size 180 kB
[12:58] <stormchas3r> anyone know how to create a user in schooltool?
[02:13] <bddebian> Howdy
[02:35] <stormchas3r> whats up
[07:24] <cbx33> mornin all
[07:29] <Burgundavia> morning cbx33
[07:30] <Burgundavia> anything cool and new in Edubuntu-land this week?
[07:30] <cbx33> Burgundavia, hmm.... SCP in main
[07:30] <Burgundavia> hmm, nice
[07:30] <Burgundavia> any major changes to it?
[07:30] <cbx33> Im' just setting up dotproject, as we are going to try using a PMS for some projects
[07:30] <cbx33> sine last release ? tonnes
[07:31] <Burgundavia> very cool
[07:31] <Burgundavia> since last week
[07:31] <cbx33> um...no
[07:31] <cbx33> hehe
[07:31] <Burgundavia> ok
[07:31] <cbx33> but big plans for next release
[07:31] <Burgundavia> but main means installed by default?
[07:32] <cbx33> yes
[07:32] <cbx33> and we got the pessulus patch in to
[07:35] <cafuego> SCP?
[07:36] <crimsun> student control panel
[07:52] <cbx33> sorry...was afk
[07:52] <cbx33> that acronym causes so much confusion
[08:02] <jsgotangco> hehe
[08:02] <jsgotangco> cbx33: congrats
[08:04] <cbx33> jsgotangco, on what?
[08:05] <jsgotangco> SCP on main ;)
[08:05] <cbx33> heheh
[08:05] <cbx33> yup
[08:05] <cbx33> was touch and go for a while
[08:05] <cbx33> *seriously*
[08:06] <cbx33> getting it reviewed in time was tough
[08:06] <jsgotangco> you should be glad it came it, you've worked so hard on it
[08:06] <jsgotangco> you *should* join the next sprint
[08:06] <cbx33> jsgotangco, sprint or summit?
[08:06] <cbx33> ;)
[08:06] <jsgotangco> its the same
[08:07] <cbx33> hehe
[08:07] <cbx33> aren't sprints more hack-fests
[08:07] <cbx33> and summits more...talky talky ;)
[08:08] <jsgotangco> well technically speaking yes, but hacks also happen on summits :P
[08:09] <jsgotangco> you dont get a lot of people on sprints, only core-dev mostly
[08:09] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: maybe an edubuntu sprint for the next cycle?
[08:10] <cbx33> heheh that'd be cool
[08:10] <jsgotangco> that would be nice, its been a year since there was an edubuntu-specific meet
[08:11] <jsgotangco> and most of the active people here werent part of the first meet
[08:11] <Burgundavia> yep
[08:12] <jsgotangco> it would be nice when major stakeholders to the project get together and discuss their issues and suggestions
[08:14] <Burgundavia> especially given edubuntu is kind of at the logical end of the current dev meta-cycle
[08:15] <jsgotangco> i would say edgy gives edubuntu a very good position in the next release
[08:15] <jsgotangco> since most of the core components are now  mature enough
[08:15] <Burgundavia> yes
[08:16] <Burgundavia> but there needs be another "for the next 2 or 3 releases, we are going to X"
[08:16] <jsgotangco> when that time comes, i hope to have enough experience on real world scenarios
[09:09] <cbx33> !seen ogra
[09:09] <ubotu> I last saw ogra (n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra) 8h 21m 48s ago, quiting: "Verlassend"
[09:11] <Burgundavia> cbx33: ogra is current in detriot, which is utc-4
[09:20] <cbx33> yeh, just wondered if he was around last night
[09:20] <cbx33> I thought my PC was connected to IRC
[09:20] <cbx33> but it wasn't
[09:40] <RichEd> hi guys ...
[09:40] <jsgotangco> hi there
[09:41] <RichEd> battling with a slow machine ... closing sticky windows slowly one at a time
[09:41] <RichEd> But a quick comment: orga and I are going to motivate for an Education specific summit
[09:41] <jsgotangco> interesting
[09:42] <RichEd> Broad : developer and user community, and probably a lot of partners as well
[09:42] <RichEd> maybe 2 seperate tracks ... but a lot of overlap
[09:42] <RichEd> cbx33: I owe you some time today :)
[09:45] <jsgotangco> heh
[10:03] <cbx33> RichEd: progbox.co.uk/dotproject
[10:04] <RichEd> cool cbx33 will check it out when I have got my machine shut down & rebooted :)
[10:05] <RichEd> Burgundavia: [but there needs be another "for the next 2 or 3 releases, we are going to X"]  agreed - even expanded to say for the next year, in the whole education space we are going to do this
[10:05] <RichEd> maybe the 12-18 month view for each track (1) developer (2) partner (3) community
[10:13] <RichEd> hi jono ... thanks for the lead yesterday ... looks like it may work out well as a project, and then maybe a model case study for follover elsewhere
[10:13] <RichEd> *rollover
[10:14] <RichEd> back after a reboot
[10:36] <RichEd> hi again ... back after my update & reboot
[10:41] <cbx33> RichEd: did you get that user/pass?
[10:43] <RichEd> Yes thank you very much :)
[11:04] <cbx33> RichEd: did you get my user/pass
[11:04] <cbx33> mornin Mr pygi 
[11:05] <cbx33> sorry dude
[11:05] <cbx33> I forgot
[11:05] <RichEd> ; )
[11:07] <RichEd> RichEd -> breakfast back in 15 
[11:11] <cbx33> hehe
[11:15] <RichEd> opinion sought in -> [cbx33] 
[11:17] <pygi> heh
[11:17] <pygi> mornin' cbx33 
[11:18] <pygi> you left the other day without a trace :-/
[11:20] <pygi> cbx33, !?
[11:27] <cbx33> yeh
[11:27] <cbx33> so sorry, my ADSL router restarted
[11:27] <cbx33> and I thought I was still connected
[11:28] <pygi> cbx33, no worries ^_^
[11:28] <cbx33> I was playing counterstrike as well....heheh....
[11:28] <cbx33> and kept tabbing out to check and no one was talking
[11:29] <pygi> hehe ^_^
[11:30] <pygi> cbx33, pm pls :)
[11:31] <cbx33> yeh I am dude ;)
[11:31] <cbx33> forgot to register
[11:46] <pygi> cbx33, poke? :P
[11:57] <highvoltage> cbx33: is your rsyncer in universe?
[11:57] <highvoltage> (hi, btw)
[11:58] <cbx33> highvoltage: no
[11:58] <cbx33> not yet
[11:58] <cbx33> highvoltage: I havn't had much time to work on it recently SCP and pess was my main concern
[11:58] <cbx33> it's still sitting in NEW
[11:59] <highvoltage> what's the rsync command again to sync to the latest iso?
[12:00] <cbx33> um...
[12:00] <cbx33> you could get ogra's script
[12:00] <cbx33> people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/rsyncer.sh
[12:00] <cbx33> i think run it with the create option
[12:00] <cbx33> copy your existing iso the the right place and the run it with update
[12:00] <cbx33> I think
[12:00] <cbx33> please backup the iso before you try ;)
[12:02] <RichEd> highvoltage: ping
[12:02] <pygi> lol :)
[12:03] <RichEd> pygi: hi !
[12:03] <pygi> hi RichEd, how is you today? ^_^
[12:03] <RichEd> full of energy ... yesterday was low on gas ... today raring to go and tackle the universe :)
[12:04] <pygi> RichEd, o, nice :)
[12:48] <cbx33> hey rodarvus 
[12:48] <cbx33> sorry about last night
[12:48] <rodarvus> hi cbx33!
[12:48] <rodarvus> heh, I was expecting you to return ;)
[12:48] <rodarvus> all is well, I hope?
[12:49] <cbx33> sorry dude I thought my IRC was connected
[12:49] <cbx33> was playing coutnerstrike with brother in lwas and tabbing out
[12:49] <cbx33> and then I noticed it had been quiet for a long time
[12:51] <rodarvus> don't worry
[12:53] <cbx33> you ok today?
[12:56] <rodarvus> yup :)
[12:56] <rodarvus> need to clean up the mess on my office though, and *really* don't feel like doing it soon ;)
[01:00] <RichEd> rodarvus: The mail I'm sending is on the same topic ;) clearing the clutter for a neater more orderly future. It will give you something to ponder while you are going through the manual motions away from your desk.
[01:06] <jsgotangco> tadaaa
[01:07] <pygi> heh jsgotangco :)
[01:07] <jsgotangco> yo!!!
[01:07] <cbx33> hey jsgotangco 
[01:11] <rodarvus> RichEd, nice, thats something I've been thinking too
[01:11] <rodarvus> (clean up my virtual clutter ;) )
[01:13] <RichEd> I'm working on the mail now ... the whole upstream / downstream analagy is very useful and quite exciting. I've just had a chat with Claire about an email from Ireland Education, and although the situation is completely non-technical, the model just fits.
[01:39] <RichEd> question: if you build an LTSP environment, do you need to install a full Edubuntu on each workstation, or just a boot environment to load the necessary from the central server ?
[01:39] <pygi> RichEd, you dont have to install anything on clients
[01:40] <pygi> RichEd, clients just have to be PXE compatible
[01:40] <RichEd> so how does the client make the "1st time connection" to the server ? does it need the live CD ?
[01:41] <pygi> RichEd, it doesn't need anything, it just has to be PXE compatible, it does the connection over network ^_^
[01:41] <pygi> it pulls everything from edubuntu server
[01:41] <jsgotangco> RichEd: it connects to the server everytime you boot it
[01:41] <jsgotangco> nothing is retained on the client
[01:42] <jsgotangco> RichEd: the only requirement for the client is to have a PXE compatible ethernet device
[01:42] <RichEd> I've got that part ... bearn with me while I explain my issue:
[01:43] <RichEd> Assume I have a clean workstation, with a unformatted hard drive donated by someone who used to use it over a normal LAN. What do I need to do the workstation to get it to look for the server. Surely it needs to load at least an ethernet layer from somewhere ?
[01:43] <jsgotangco> RichEd: nothing
[01:43] <jsgotangco> as long as its PXE
[01:44] <jsgotangco> the only thing you need to do is *make* this workstation *boot* to PXE as the first priority
[01:44] <RichEd> so please explain PXE asuming that I have a workstation, with a standard LAN card
[01:44] <RichEd> ah ^^ there is my answer thanks !
[01:44] <RichEd> Is that normally a bios setting ?
[01:44] <jsgotangco> Preboot eXecution Environment
[01:44] <jsgotangco> yes
[01:44] <RichEd> "*make* this workstation *boot* to PXE"
[01:44] <jsgotangco> with the approriate device
[01:45] <jsgotangco> (which is the PXE compatible network card)
[01:45] <RichEd> And do old machines usually have a BIOS which allows this setting ?
[01:45] <jsgotangco> RichEd: its basically bootstrapping but from the network
[01:46] <jsgotangco> it really depends
[01:46] <RichEd> Yep. It's just that I've never noticed a bios setting like that before, but I seldom play with BIOS these days, I used to a lot in my days of DOS 3 :)
[01:47] <RichEd> So steps 1: If the LAN card is not PXE compatible, swop it out for one that is.
[01:47] <RichEd> if the BIOS does not allow the setting, can it be upgraded / reflashed ?
[01:48] <jsgotangco> hmm i think there are some network cards with firmware to enable booting it even if there is no explicit bios setting
[01:49] <jsgotangco> RichEd: aka bootroms
[01:49] <highvoltage> RichEd: most BIOS's scan for option ROM's to boot from, which mostly all network cards have, so if you have an etherboot or PXE based ROM, it should boot whether the BIOS supports it or not
[01:50] <RichEd> And that's a wrap ... I'm now up to speed :) Thanks.
[01:50] <jsgotangco> yay
[01:50] <pygi> RichEd, www.rom-o-matic.net  ^_^
[01:50] <jsgotangco> ive never got to the point of using a bootrom for quite a while
[01:50] <jsgotangco> but then, a PXE is essentially a bootrom of sorts
[01:50] <jsgotangco> :D
[01:51] <pygi> ^_^
[01:52] <RichEd> For your background amusement, my days of fiddling with BIOS settings were around 1988 when there was a need to configure extended RAM or expanded RAM when you wanted to get over 640KB base memory to run things that were memory hungry :)
[01:52] <jsgotangco> well FYI my BIOS fiddling is forgettable
[01:53] <RichEd> We had one guy on campus who had 4MB of RAM and was runing DOS 4.0 and everyone was in awe of the power at his fingertips !
[01:54] <highvoltage> heh, I had 2MB RAM at one stage, and was insanely jealous of a friend who had 4MB :)
[01:55] <pygi> hehe,  old days ^_^
[01:58] <jsgotangco> you legends
[01:59] <highvoltage> that was high-teck! I learned to read on a ZX-Spectrum :)
[01:59] <rodarvus> you guys are too young. in the university I worked for there was an IBM storage system with 4 giga bytes of space (important detail is: this storage system weighted about 10 tons)
[02:00] <rodarvus> and every six months it needed to be open to exchange the grease (really) used to rotate the plates
[02:00] <jsgotangco> rodarvus: im sorry uncle but im part of the Pentium generation hah
[02:01] <highvoltage> rodarvus: wow. last when I heard stories like that it was from Jon 'maddog' Hall :)
[02:01] <rodarvus> the mainframes were one IBM 4181 and a (pre historic) IBM 4141
[02:01] <jsgotangco> the plates were the magnetic discs?
[02:02] <rodarvus> highvoltage, well, I guess his stories are *much* older than mine - I just happened to live in a poor city of a poor country :)
[02:02] <rodarvus> jsgotangco, yes
[02:02] <jsgotangco> wow compute and get a workout at the same room lol
[02:03] <rodarvus> the IBM 4141 had one memory "box" of 16kb (it was 20x20 cm big)
[02:03] <rodarvus> and used *real* copper lines for each bit it needed to connect
[02:03] <jsgotangco> oh man haha
[02:15] <RichEd> Have any of you ever walked around inside an old pre-digital telephone exchange ... with the manaul switches ... it's pretty bizarre. As people dial the number, these huge multi layer spindles switches on racks turn around physically to make the correct physical connection to the circuit needed to make the line patch from the call orginator to the receiver.
[02:15] <RichEd> So when 100 people are dialing at once, the room is full of rotating & clicking switches ... noisy !
[02:16] <RichEd> rodarvus: I've sent the email ... I hope I got it enough of my thinking across. No need for a response today ... just mull it over and see what pops out.
[02:21] <jsgotangco> RichEd: interesting, like those old-style flight notification panels in Paris and other parts of Europe
[02:21] <rodarvus> RichEd, got your mail, will read it *now*, thanks!
[02:22] <RichEd> jsgotangco: yep ... except with lots of bakelite (early pre-plastic) and open extenal oil dams to keep things lubricated
[02:23] <jsgotangco> interesting, i love those mechanical/automaton stuff
[02:55] <cbx33> ping willvdl 
[02:55] <willvdl> pong
[02:58] <willvdl> cbx33, for some unknown reaosn I can't send on a pvt window today...
[02:58] <cbx33> have you registered?
[02:58] <willvdl> yip
[02:58] <willvdl> ah scratch that :) I can
[03:02] <RichEd> rodarvus: did I make any sense ?
[03:03] <rodarvus> RichEd, yes, good email
[03:03] <rodarvus> I share a good part of your view
[03:03] <rodarvus> (will explain in my reply to you)
[03:04] <RichEd> Not as good as I have in in my head ... but as long as it helps you change my thinking into a debate.
[03:06] <pygi> cbx33, wb
[03:06] <pygi> pm cbx33 :)
[03:16] <RichEd> wassup sad dude ?
[03:16] <pygi> RichEd, won't help this time :(
[03:22] <pygi> nothing can help anymore probably :P
[03:26] <pygi> cbx33, ^_^
[03:39] <willvdl> RichEd, can you keep 10 mins aside for little old me this afternoon?
[03:40] <RichEd> sure ... in around 45 mins to an hour ?
[03:40] <willvdl> groovy
[03:40] <willvdl> just some feedback
[03:40] <RichEd> okay ...
[03:46] <jsgotangco> later guys have a nice weekend
[03:51] <willvdl> you too
[03:57] <bddebian> Hello
[04:33] <RichEd> willvdl: chat in 10 minutes ? 16;45 ?
[04:33] <RichEd> willvdl: check out http://wiki.edubuntu.org/education as well
[04:34] <willvdl> okie
[04:34] <willvdl> getting quick cuppa while I read...
[04:40] <willvdl> ping RichEd
[04:41] <RichEd> willvdl: pong in 5
[04:50] <RichEd> willvdl: coffee and then I am here -> start a dialogue box
[04:59] <Petaris> hrm
[05:00] <Petaris> is it normal for xorg to eat cpu power when there is only the server and 1 client on?
[05:00] <Petaris> it spiking up to 72% on one of the cpus
[05:08] <willvdl> RichEd, can you read me?
[05:09] <RichEd> yep ... last line in an email :) vewwy sowwy for de dLay
[05:09] <willvdl> no problem :)
[05:09] <willvdl> thought I had a lag
[06:48] <willvdl> my brain hurts
[06:55] <cbx33> heheh
[06:58] <sbalneav> LaserJock: hey!
[06:58] <LaserJock> hi
[06:58] <sbalneav> So, the new artwork for the background!
[06:58] <sbalneav> What are the molecules?
[06:59] <LaserJock> :-)
[06:59] <LaserJock> is that the one from Pete?
[06:59] <sbalneav> yeah
[06:59] <LaserJock> it's called a photochromic dye
[06:59] <LaserJock> it basically changes shape with UV light
[07:00] <LaserJock> they use them in those cool eyeglass lenses
[07:00] <LaserJock> that change to sunglasses when you go outside
[07:00] <sbalneav> Ah, so that's what I have in my glasses.
[07:01] <sbalneav> ogra!!!!!!!
[07:01] <LaserJock> anyway, that's the particular one I've been blasting with the laser for the last couple of years
[07:01] <LaserJock> \o/ the master returns ;-)
[07:01] <ogra> sbalneav, hey hey
[07:01] <sbalneav> he's sitting like 5 feet away from me
[07:01] <sbalneav> Swapping power cables
[07:02] <sbalneav> Conference is mega geeked
[07:02] <LaserJock> :-)
[07:02] <willvdl> never! :P
[07:02] <LaserJock> at least they have "normal" outlets
[07:03] <LaserJock> :-)
[07:03] <sbalneav> We've got Warren Togami here from Fedora, and Erik Harrison from K12LTSP
[07:03] <LaserJock> sbalneav: anyway, that picture is actually straight from a poster I gave a year or so ago
[07:03] <sbalneav> They're busy porting Mukow to Fedora
[07:04] <sbalneav> LaserJock: Looks cool
[07:05] <willvdl> okie, I gotta get blood back in my legs.
[07:05] <willvdl> ciao folks
[07:12] <pygi> sbalneav, poke?
[07:13] <pygi> ogra, poke also?
[07:22] <sbalneav> pygi: peek.  ogra's out for a smoke
[07:22] <LaserJock> heh
[07:22] <pygi> sbalneav, got my mail?
[07:23] <sbalneav> Hold on lemme check.
[07:24] <pygi> sbalneav, will do, thanks
[07:26] <ogra> pygi, back from poisoning myself, whats up ?
[07:26] <ogra> oh thats bad news ...
[07:27] <ogra> (just read the mail)
[07:27] <pygi> ogra, I'm gonna be fighting authorities next week (after the weekend ends)
[07:28] <pygi> ogra, hopefully they may be able to speed up the process by marking it as "emergency" :P
[07:29] <ogra> i was impressed how easy i got through customs yesterday ...
[07:29] <sbalneav> pygi: Hmm, where'd you send it to?
[07:29] <pygi> sbalneav, your ltsp.org address?
[07:29] <sbalneav> Hmm
[07:29] <sbalneav> I don't have it yet
[07:29] <ogra> but then i only need a self written form, not a pre set visa from an embassy
[07:30] <sbalneav> Oh
[07:30] <sbalneav> oh, the sad news ones.
[07:30] <sbalneav> Yes!  I do have those.
[07:30] <pygi> ogra, hm, how come? probably different country, and collaboration with USA
[07:30] <sbalneav> Hopefully, you'll get the emergency status.
[07:30] <ogra> pygi, yes, i'm german
[07:31] <pygi> ogra, there you go ^_^ I'm not :P
[07:31] <pygi> sbalneav, indeed :-/
[07:32] <pygi> they are asking me do I want to visit USA to perform terorist actions :-/
[07:32] <sbalneav> I'd say "no" :)
[07:32] <pygi> sbalneav, o yes, under interests copy-paste my stuff for burning devices support on thin clients ^_^
[07:33] <pygi> sbalneav, no kidding :)
[07:38] <pygi> sbalneav, if you dont clone that part, I'll have to put it in your behalf :P
[07:40] <sbalneav> pygi: Sorry, what do I need to cut-n-paste and where?
[07:40] <sbalneav> Lots of discussions going on here. :(
[07:40] <sbalneav> :)
[07:40] <sbalneav> sorry, wrong bracket
[07:40] <pygi> sbalneav, "burning devices support on thin clients" under your "Interests" on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperSummitMountainView/Sponsorship :)))
[07:40] <sbalneav> Ha
[07:40] <sbalneav> yes
[07:40] <pygi> sbalneav, no worries, I won't bug anymore today :)
[07:41] <sbalneav> adding
[07:41] <pygi> oki :)
[07:52] <smykes> is Squid configured standard in Edubuntu yet?
[07:53] <ogra> nope
[07:53] <ogra> we dont include it 
[07:53] <smykes> that is on the roadmap though?
[07:53] <ogra> for content filtering we have willowng
[07:53] <smykes> is there any web filtering software out of the "box" configured
[07:53] <smykes> ah
[07:53] <smykes> willowng
[07:54] <ogra> but its only in edgys universe yet
[07:54] <smykes> hrm
[07:54] <smykes> that's kind of disapointing 
[07:54] <smykes> no offense of course
[07:55] <smykes> when does edgy come out?
[07:56] <smykes> i see this is a summer of code project
[07:56] <smykes> that is kind of neat
[07:56] <ogra> edgy comes out on oct 26th
[07:56] <cbx33> ogra, w00t hi man
[07:57] <ogra> edgy+1 will have willowng installed by default 
[07:57] <smykes> so edgy will not
[07:57] <smykes> the next one after edgy will
[07:57] <ogra> we need more feedback and testing for it before it can enter the CD so its not in yet
[07:57] <smykes> hrm
[07:57] <ogra> but its easy to install it from universe
[07:57] <smykes> it has a UI to configure it?
[07:57] <ogra> yup
[07:58] <ogra> willowng-config 
[07:58] <smykes> where does it get its blacklist from?
[07:58] <ogra> talks via dbus to the content filter
[07:58] <ogra> nowhere
[07:58] <ogra> it doesnt need blacklists
[07:58] <ogra> it uses bayesian filtering (like a spam filter) 
[07:58] <smykes> without a blacklist isnt there a noticable slowdown in page loads?
[07:58] <ogra> you have to feed it with some basic urls and it will learcn dynamically
[07:59] <LaserJock> you can also block specific domains if you want
[07:59] <ogra> sure, you can use domain filters as well
[07:59] <smykes> we-block isnt cutting it
[07:59] <smykes> im looking to change the lab to edubuntu
[07:59] <ogra> but i didnt notice any slowdown yet ...
[07:59] <LaserJock> yeah, when the little bugs get worked out willowng will be really nice
[08:00] <ogra> yeah
[08:00] <smykes> I dont know just might go ubuntu
[08:00] <smykes> all teens here
[08:00] <smykes> lot of the software might not be needed
[08:00] <ogra> whats wrong with edubuntu for teens ? 
[08:00] <ogra> ??
[08:00] <stormchas3r> smykes, how about using edubuntu ltsp?
[08:00] <smykes> I'm not sure, only seen screen shots
[08:01] <stormchas3r> oman, definitely worth checking out
[08:01] <smykes> i know the UI and application list is configurable
[08:01] <ogra> right
[08:01] <smykes> maybe that was a bad comment
[08:01] <smykes> perhaps I should have said the screenshots look young
[08:01] <ogra> well, depends which version you saw
[08:01] <cbx33> ogra, I had a strange thing with the live CD today
[08:01] <stormchas3r> edubuntu is great for highschool and college environments
[08:01] <ogra> the breezy ones surely look very young
[08:02] <cbx33> smykes, we have some nice new artowrk in the latest version
[08:02] <smykes> which is edgy?
[08:02] <ogra> cbx33, did -35 get in ? 
[08:02] <smykes> is there a live cd yet?
[08:02] <cbx33> yes I think so ;)
[08:02] <ogra> cool
[08:02] <smykes> last time I checked there wasnt
[08:02] <cbx33> usplash was fixed and artwork is looking better
[08:03] <ogra> so we at least have the new wallpaper and splash 
[08:03] <cbx33> smykes, yes there is a live cd for edgy...but obviously it's not compelte yet
[08:03] <smykes> is there for breezy?
[08:03] <cbx33> ogra, we need to cut the corners off the gdm splash
[08:03] <stormchas3r> cbx33, can we use the new usplash for edgy with dapper?
[08:03] <smykes> ah I know what it was
[08:03] <smykes> there wasnt a mac live cd last time I checked
[08:04] <cbx33> stormchas3r, I'm not sure
[08:04] <stormchas3r> kk
[08:04] <cbx33> you could get the images and build it yourself I susp[ect ;)
[08:04] <ogra> no, you cant
[08:04] <cbx33> oh no
[08:04] <cbx33> of course you can;t
[08:04] <cbx33> 16 colours
[08:04] <stormchas3r> lol
[08:04] <stormchas3r> you guys are funny
[08:04] <ogra> lunch...
[08:04] <smykes> thanks for the info guys
[08:05] <ogra> smykes, there is a mac livecd since dapper
[08:05] <smykes> yeah I see that
[08:05] <smykes> thanks
[08:06] <stormchas3r> in synaptic, what is edubuntu-live for?
[08:06] <cbx33> it's the live system
[08:07] <cbx33> Description: edubuntu live system
[08:07] <cbx33>  This package depends on all of the packages in the edubuntu server and
[08:07] <cbx33>  desktop system
[08:07] <cbx33>  .
[08:07] <cbx33>  It is not generally useful to install this package in other
[08:07] <cbx33>  environments.
[08:07] <ogra> thats a lie 
[08:07] <stormchas3r> ha
[08:07] <cbx33> sorry that's the dapper one
[08:07] <ogra> it doesnt depend on -server :)
[08:08] <cbx33> ;)
[08:08] <stormchas3r> ty
[08:08] <cbx33> ogra, how are you
[08:08] <cbx33> is it going well over there?
[08:09] <ogra> lunching
[08:09] <cbx33> ogra, my boss has provisionally given me the time off to goto the summit ;)
[08:09] <ogra> (or trying to)
[08:09] <ogra> yay
[08:09] <cbx33> guess we'll just have to wait and see
[08:09] <cbx33> do you know when we find out
[08:09] <cbx33> as I have to get a passport 
[08:09] <cbx33> but it's not cheap
[08:09] <cbx33> like almost $200
[08:10] <stormchas3r> stop by philly on the way there, ;)
[08:10] <cbx33> heh:)
[08:10] <stormchas3r> ill buy you a cheesesteak
[08:10] <cbx33> bbl
[08:10] <stormchas3r> kk
[08:11] <pygi> cbx33, I know when we find out :)
[08:11] <pygi> cbx33, October 2 ^_^
[08:11] <cbx33> damn
[08:11] <cbx33> i'll have to take the chance
[08:11] <pygi> cbx33, what is it?
[08:12] <pygi> cbx33, what do you mean?
[08:12] <cbx33> takes up to 6 weeks to get passport here
[08:12] <pygi> cbx33, uh :-/
[08:13] <pygi> sbalneav, I'll eat you, you haven't added the stuff ^_^
[08:13] <sbalneav> Sure I did!
[08:14] <sbalneav> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScottBalneaves
[08:14] <stormchas3r> what is the difference between edubuntu and k12ltsp?  yes i know diff distros
[08:15] <pygi> sbalneav, perhaps there, but add it to the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperSummitMountainView/Sponsorship as well ^_^
[08:15] <pygi> lol, hi pygi :PP
[08:16] <pygi> stormchas3r, except that edubuntu is more supported and generally better?
[08:17] <sbalneav> stormchas3r: Really, the changes are beginning to get vanishingly small
[08:17] <stormchas3r> thats all i needed to know, ty
[08:21] <sbalneav> pygi: it's taking a long time to save, but it's changing
[08:22] <pygi> sbalneav, nice ^_^ /me is sorry about bugging for this :P
[08:22] <sbalneav> Not at all.  It's important.
[08:23] <pygi> cbx33, I'll also have to take passport, I'll try my chances
[08:34] <stormchas3r> i have a good ? for you guys,  in my work we use a program  to track the students attendance, grades what not.  Is there any open source apps that could come close to this. I am familiar with Moodle, but dont see that to it.
[08:35] <pygi> stormchas3r, SchoolTool
[08:35] <Petaris> stormchas3r: Centre
[08:35] <stormchas3r> ah yes, that too,  i do have schooltool installed on my laptop.  ill have to check out centre
[08:38] <stormchas3r> Petaris, do you have a link for that?
[08:39] <Petaris> um, I think it is www.miller-group.net
[08:39] <Petaris> sec
[08:39] <stormchas3r> kk
[08:39] <Petaris> yep, it is
[08:39] <Petaris> I don't use it but I have played with it in the past
[08:40] <Petaris> its an open source student information system (SIS)
[08:40] <Petaris> not sure how much it does with grades
[08:40] <stormchas3r> ty
[08:40] <Petaris> np
[08:50] <highvoltage> apt-
[08:51] <pygi> highvoltage, ahm?
[08:57] <highvoltage> 
[08:59] <pygi> highvoltage, what is it? :)
[09:22] <LaserJock> has anybody been working on a theme changer for Edubuntu
[09:22] <pygi> LaserJock, I don't think so
[09:24] <Petaris> LaserJock: Whats wrong with current theme changers?
[09:24] <Petaris> I know there are theme managers for gnome and kde
[09:24] <Petaris> and ice
[09:25] <LaserJock> well, we need to switch all the graphics
[09:25] <Petaris> and changing how things look in xfce4 is pretty easy
[09:25] <Petaris> ahh
[09:25] <Petaris> ok
[09:25] <LaserJock> usplash, wallpaper, icons, gdm, etc.
[09:25] <Petaris> not just the theme but icons and extras as well
[09:25] <Petaris> I got ya
[09:25] <Petaris> It would be nice
[09:26] <Petaris> I would like to be able to customize the theme on the ltsp clients too
[09:26] <Petaris> *the gdm theme that is
[09:26] <LaserJock> because if I give somebody and edubuntu CD at the uni it's a bit of a turn off to have 5-year old graphics
[09:26] <LaserJock> but for 5-year olds it's great
[09:26] <Petaris> haha
[09:27] <Petaris> I don't have an issue with xfce
[09:27] <Petaris> of course I've already modified it
[09:27] <Petaris> :)
[09:27] <LaserJock> sure
[09:28] <LaserJock> but the "out-of-the-box" experinece is what people will see when they install, etc.
[09:28] <Petaris> right
[09:28] <LaserJock> also if the application selection could be tunable that would be quite cool
[09:29] <pygi> LaserJock, eh, use Reconstructor ^_^
[09:29] <LaserJock> ogra: well, but I'm talking about Edubuntu
[09:29] <Burgwork> pygi, were not about to instlal dotproject?
[09:29] <LaserJock> sorry ogra
[09:30] <LaserJock> that was for pygi 
[09:30] <pygi> Burgwork, what? please rephrase, thanks :)
[09:31] <pygi> LaserJock, well, I'm also talking about Edubuntu :) Use reconstructor to change graphics, and change software selection
[09:31] <LaserJock> how would that work
[09:32] <LaserJock> I would think we would need a theme selector in the boot menu and tasksel for app selection
[09:32] <pygi> LaserJock, by changing cd, I'm not sure if it's supports Edubuntu right now, tho it should as it supports ubuntu & kubuntu
[09:32] <pygi> never used it
[09:32] <pygi> Burgwork, ? :)
[09:32] <cbx33> Burgwork, ?
[09:33] <LaserJock> pygi: but I'm talking about the Edubuntu CD from shipit, etc. not changing it after the fact
[09:33] <pygi> LaserJock, ah!
[09:36] <Burgwork> pygi, have you install dotproject before?
[09:37] <cbx33> Burgwork, I have ;)
[09:37] <pygi> Burgwork, I think I have before, but ActiveCollab has proven to be better & more reliable ^_^
[09:38] <cbx33> ActiveCollab needs php5
[09:39] <cbx33> pygi, mind explaining to me it's pros over dotproject?
[09:41] <pygi> cbx33, can't really explain, I just know I tested it, and it was good ^_^
[09:41] <Burgwork> php5 is default for dapper
[09:41] <Burgwork> how long have you used activecollab?
[09:42] <Burgwork> the "heavy development" part scares me a little
[09:42] <pygi> Burgwork, mostly since it's starts ^_^
[09:42] <Burgwork> how many days/hours is this?
[09:42] <Burgwork> cbx33, and what is your experience with dotproject?
[09:42] <Burgwork> can I ask a few installation questions
[09:42] <Burgwork> ?
[09:43] <pygi> Burgwork, somewhere in June
[09:43] <pygi> That's when I started
[09:45] <Burgwork> how many users, how heavy the use, etc.
[09:45] <cbx33> Burgwork, sure
[09:45] <cbx33> tbh not very heavy use
[09:45] <cbx33> and only a few users
[09:45] <Burgwork> what about you, pygi ?
[09:45] <cbx33> but now I installed the one for edubuntu we'll see how it goes
[09:52] <pygi> Burgwork, what about me? :)
[09:52] <Burgwork> pygi, how many users have you had with activecollab, etc.
[09:54] <pygi> Burgwork, not much, around 15
[10:09] <Burgwork> pygi, have stable, etc?
[10:11] <pygi> Burgwork, there is stable release of activecollab, yes :P
[10:12] <cbx33> Burgwork, activecollab requires php5
[10:12] <cbx33> correct me if I'm wrong pygi 
[10:13] <Burgwork> yes, but dapper server lamp users php5 by default
[10:13] <Burgwork> and dotproject has issues with mysql5/php5
[10:15] <Burgwork> pygi, would you commend activecollab?
[10:16] <stormchas3r> whats the cmd to rename a folder? cp -R filename?
[10:17] <LaserJock> you could just use mv
[10:17] <stormchas3r> ty
[10:19] <pygi> Burgwork, indeed I would ^_^
[10:19] <Burgwork> pygi, did you install dotproject and try it out?
[10:19] <pygi> Burgwork, told you before, I have :)
[10:20] <Burgwork> sorry
[10:20] <Burgwork> and why did you switch?
[10:21] <pygi> Burgwork, just because ActiveCollab is better and is in active development + I know that author is higly dedicated to making this rock even more
[10:21] <Burgwork> activecollab has a far nicer website and what appears to be saner development
[10:27] <cbx33> brb
[10:33] <pygi> Burgwork, what's your usage case for collaboration soft.?
[10:34] <LaserJock> open-userful?
[10:34] <silentkey> damn adsl
[10:42] <LaserJock> silentkey: are you really here?
[10:42] <HedgeMage> hi LaserJock 
[10:44] <LaserJock> hi HedgeMage 
[10:44] <HedgeMage> How are you?
[10:45] <LaserJock> OK
[10:45] <LaserJock> how about you?
[10:46] <HedgeMage> Pretty good... actually got a lot done around the house today.  Now to see if I can convince TT to refrain from messing it back up ;)
[10:46] <IHaTeWiNDoWs> OH MAN I HATE M$
[10:47] <cbx33> GRRAATTS
[10:47] <cbx33> stupid operating system
[10:48] <Burgwork> pygi, have you got a good set of isntallation instrucitons?
[10:49] <pygi> Burgwork, you have a installation wizard, it's trivial
[10:49] <Burgwork> pygi, yes, but found http://forum.activecollab.com/viewtopic.php?pid=348
[10:50] <cbx33> oh shute...I'm still usin this rank operating system
[10:50] <pygi> bddebian, this is 0.6
[10:50] <pygi> 0.7 is out btw :)
[10:51] <pygi> should be simmilar tho
[10:51] <Burgwork> pygi, should I go with 0.7 or 0.6
[10:51] <bddebian> ??
[10:51] <pygi> Burgwork, 0.7 ofcourse
[10:51] <pygi> bddebian, sorry :)
[10:51] <bddebian> NP :)
[10:51] <Burgwork> pygi, isn't that beta still?
[10:51] <pygi> oh, 0.6 is latest stable
[10:51] <pygi> Burgwork, right, just use 0.6
[10:52] <cbx33> hehe
[10:56] <Burgwork> pygi, nice to have a package of activecollab to walk people through this: hint hint
[10:56] <cbx33> Burgwork that's a nice idea
[10:56] <Burgwork> this is waht debconf is meant for
[10:57] <Burgwork> look at how moodle does it
[10:57] <pygi> Burgwork, you hinting me to create a deb package or? =)
[10:57] <pygi> o, rightm I get it
[10:57] <pygi> right*
[10:58] <pygi> Burgwork, hint Ilija Studen with it, I'm sure he'll help you :)
[10:59] <Burgwork> right, that might involve development work
[10:59] <Burgwork> which is strictly against my religious principles
[11:00] <pygi> Burgwork, just poke me on mail what exactly you want, and I'll make sure to pass that to Ilija, if you don't want to send mail to him :P
[11:00] <Burgwork> right
[11:00] <pygi> you know mail :)
[11:01] <Burgwork> that I can do
[11:01] <Burgwork> Failed to connect to database with data you provided <-- grumble
[11:09] <Burgwork> pygi, did you get my /query ?
[11:10] <pygi> Burgwork,yes
[11:15] <LaserJock> Burgwork: are installing dotproject?
[11:15] <LaserJock> are you, rather
[11:15] <Burgwork> LaserJock, was, now installing activeCollab
[11:17] <LaserJock> Burgwork: ah, I just did dotproject
[11:18] <cbx33> heheh
[11:18] <Burgwork> dotproject turned me off, in a lot fo ways, including complexity
[11:18] <cbx33> he certainly did
[11:18] <Burgwork> activeCollab seems more active and more interesting in being the best
[12:00] <pygi> cbx33, hehe, and? :)
[12:00] <cbx33> just looking now
[12:03] <cbx33> pygi, it's very nice looking
[12:03] <cbx33> but seems a ittle simplified for my needs
[12:04] <cbx33> hehe the next TB is after my bday ;)
[12:05] <cbx33> hey jono 
[12:05] <jono> hey
[12:07] <Burgwork> hey jono 
[12:09] <jono> hey Burgwork 
[12:12] <cbx33> good night edubuntu