[12:15] <Tonio_> Lure: yes it works
[12:15] <Tonio_> Lure: but I have to set /etc/fsfn.conf for fj series compatibility
[12:16] <Tonio_> Lure: kdebase builds succesfully with your patch
[12:16] <Tonio_> Lure: so default config is for fj series
[12:16] <Lure> Tonio_: ok, I am looking how sladen did it for thinkpad and if I can hack quickly something
[12:16] <Tonio_> Lure: okay
[12:17] <Tonio_> Lure: you might hack a bit for the brightness since the bios gives wrong information
[12:17] <Tonio_> as sladen mentions
[12:17] <Lure> Tonio_: yes, have seen that...
[12:17] <Tonio_> Lure: concerning fj series, you should look at BRT_HACK_FJS in the code :)
[12:17] <Tonio_> Lure: if you need me to test, ping !
[12:18] <Tonio_> I have a fj and a friend of mine as an fs
[12:18] <Lure> Tonio_: do you have sonypi module loaded in kernel?
[12:19] <Tonio_> Lure: yep
[12:19] <Tonio_> Lure: it's in ubuntu by default
[12:19] <Lure> Tonio_: I am just checking as hotkey-setup package loads it during boot
[12:20] <Tonio_> Lure: okay
[12:21] <Lure> Tonio_: it does not look to hard to do - thinkpad-keys.c is an example
[12:21] <Tonio_> Lure: hehe, great ;)
[12:21] <Tonio_> Lure: you rock
[12:21] <Lure> Tonio_: pb is I am too tired now and tommorow I will have not much time (birthday of dauther and packaging for regatta)
[12:22] <Tonio_> Lure: there is no emergency
[12:22] <Tonio_> Lure: it'd be nice if it can go in edgy but that's it
[12:22] <Tonio_> take your time :)
[12:33] <Tonio__> grmpf...... my internet connection sucks
[12:41] <kwwii_>  hehe, I updated my edgy box and it no longer boots
[12:41] <kwwii_> so much for testing
[12:41] <kwwii_> and/or working
[12:42] <kwwii_> readlink: /proc/1524/exe; No such file or directory
[12:42] <kwwii_> that *really* sucks
[12:42] <kwwii_> at least as far as the artwork goes
[12:43] <kwwii_> one step forward, two steps back
[12:45] <kwwii_> oh well, there are other contracts to fulfill 
[12:45] <kwwii_> see you in a while, perhaps when my computer starts again
[12:45] <kwwii_> :-)
[12:45] <kwwii_> :p
[12:45] <kwwii_> bye
[01:32] <beligum> Hmm, if I build a package for edgy (using pbuilder) it works, but when I try dapper (using pbuilder), I get "dh_install: I have no package to build". Any ideas?
[02:07] <nixternal> like, are we rockin' or what?
[02:07] <nixternal> is knot3 page good?
[02:13] <bddebian> Howdy
[02:49] <Hobbsee> morning all
[02:50] <jdong> evening, Hobbsee
[02:51] <Hobbsee> hey jdong :)
[02:53] <freeflying|away> moins all
[02:54] <jdong> so, ready to break some more X servers?
[02:55] <Hobbsee> sure, could be fun
[02:56] <jdong> aww, give me a break Hobbsee, I've been damage-controlling the situation at the forums for an afternoon already
[02:56] <jdong> I need to toss a joke or two around :P
[02:56] <Hobbsee> jdong: :P
[02:56] <jdong> group hug :)
[03:09] <ajmitch> afternoon
[03:10] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[03:10] <bddebian> and Hobbsee
[03:11] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian 
[03:12] <Hobbsee> do i want to know?
[03:12] <Jucato> morning! :)
[03:13] <bddebian> Hello Jucato
[03:13] <Jucato> hi bddebian! :)
[03:13] <Jucato> Hobbsee! :)
[03:13] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: no
[03:13] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato 
[03:13] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: right
[03:14] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: you'll just hurt your head banging it against a wall
[03:15] <Jucato> what forum mess? :P
[03:17] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: hehe.   well, that could be fun
[03:20] <Tonio__> grmpf........ the dns cache of my router is f*cked up........ and I can't reboot since I have downloads pending.....
[03:20] <jdong> ajmitch: what happened on the forums now?
[03:21] <ajmitch> jdong: nothing much, just the kernel stuff, and I always get a few laughs out of the edgy forums..
[03:21] <jdong> ajmitch: :) hehe
[03:21] <jdong> yes, I know :)
[03:21] <Jucato> ah, the one asking about the generic kernel
[03:21] <Jucato> :P
[03:21] <jdong> mdz was on quite a bit today :)
[03:21] <ajmitch> yeah
[03:21] <ajmitch> Jucato: yep
[03:21] <Jucato> lol I had a fun time reading that :)
[03:22] <ajmitch> I even got lewing posting on the forums
[03:22] <Tonio_> I never post of forums, because if you start, you never end....... like cigarette
[03:22] <jdong> :)
[03:22] <Tonio_> so I keep as far of internet boards as possible
[03:22] <jdong> tell me about it
[03:22] <Jucato> heh
[03:23] <ajmitch> Tonio_: I manage to stay below a post a week
[03:23] <Tonio_> jdong: just that I used to be adicted to boards
[03:23] <Jucato> Tonio_: there's an easy way to stop... just keep on reading bad posts for a whole day :P
[03:23] <Tonio_> ajmitch: one post a week is nice
[03:23] <ajmitch> Tonio_: usually it's telling people "FILE BUGS!"
[03:23] <jdong> ajmitch: hehe :)
[03:23] <Jucato> heh
[03:23] <Tonio_> ajmitch: lol
[03:24] <Tonio_> Jucato: and the worse thing is trolling posts
[03:24] <jdong> ajmitch: I'm glad at least some devs glance over the edgy forums
[03:24] <jdong> Tonio_: we try to avoid those trolling posts...
[03:24] <Jucato> Tonio_: yeah :)
[03:24] <Tonio_> Jucato: I couldn't stop clicking "refresh" every 5 seconds to follow the thread........
[03:24] <jdong> Tonio_: and oh boy do I lose sleep over that
[03:24] <Jucato> lol
[03:24] <Tonio_> Jucato: I even installed an extension to firefox to autorefresh tabs......
[03:24] <jdong> Tonio_: SO YOUVE BEEN SLOWING DOWN THE SERVERS? :)
[03:24] <ajmitch> jdong: it's sometimes necessary, and a good way to see how many people find some bugs
[03:24] <Tonio_> jdong: yes ;)
[03:24] <jdong> lol
[03:24] <jdong> 16GB of ram, and the servers are still hungry
[03:24] <Jucato> jdong: I'm slowing down the servers, too. fetching feeds every 30 mins :P
[03:24] <jdong> this time for more opterons :)
[03:25] <Tonio_> jdong: now I'm free of any board... and life's by far better
[03:25] <Jucato> Tonio_: you should have hung around the Kubuntu section when it existed. or in Ubuntu Cafe. those are where the best posts are located :P
[03:26] <jdong> Jucato: we still have a kde section :)
[03:26] <jdong> sort of 
[03:26] <Jucato> "sort of"
[03:26] <jdong> I can't believe how much people complained about a kubuntu section!
[03:26] <Tonio_> Jucato: well I'm officially moderator of the french section of kubuntuforums.net
[03:26] <Tonio_> Jucato: but I stopped going there :)
[03:26] <Jucato> Tonio_: wee! nice :)
[03:26] <jdong> and then kubuntuforums started, and we got even more complaints about our kubuntu section and themes
[03:26] <jdong> WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO MAKE PEOPLE HAPPY?
[03:26] <jdong> :)
[03:27] <Tonio_> ajmitch: I went to more than 5000 posts in a year on a french informatics board...... now you understand why I had to stop ;)
[03:28] <jdong> Tonio_: hey! I'm bordering on 5000 here!
[03:28] <ajmitch> Tonio_: ouch
[03:28] <ajmitch> Tonio_: that's a sign of obsession ;)
[03:28] <Jucato> heh
[03:28] <Tonio_> ajmitch: yes........ like a drug... it was pure trolling all the day......
[03:28] <ajmitch> I'm sure jdong says he can stop anytime he wants
[03:28] <Tonio_> ajmitch: well, cigarettes + coffee + myboard... wasn't that bad but it had to end :)
[03:28] <Jucato> jdong: where can I see the number of my posts in ubuntuforums? (regardless of where I posted them...)
[03:28] <jdong> of course.... :)
[03:29] <jdong> Jucato: your profile?
[03:29] <ajmitch> Total Posts: 19 (0.03 posts per day)
[03:29] <Jucato> heh
[03:29] <ajmitch> excellent..
[03:29] <jdong> Jucato: 1435/5.85 a day
[03:29] <Jucato> heh
[03:29] <Tonio_> is http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org working for you ?
[03:29] <Jucato> that has slowed down since August :)
[03:30] <Tonio_> it fails here but I suspect a cache problem in my router...
[03:30] <jdong> Jucato: I'm only like 7 posts per day
[03:30] <Tonio_> www.network-tools.org ping the good IP
[03:30] <jdong> Jucato: I typically spend my time reading/moderating/spying, not posting :)
[03:30] <ajmitch> jdong: you can stop anytime you want...
[03:30] <Jucato> jdong: heh I've slowed down because my forum addiction has been replaced by IRC... 
[03:30] <jdong> ajmitch: it's kind of my duties not to stop :)
[03:31] <jdong> that and bring Edgy crack back to Dapper :)
[03:31] <Hobbsee> Jucato: *g*
[03:31] <Tonio_> jdong or Jucato ? can you confirm me if that works for you ?
[03:31] <Tonio_> I get a kind of round-robbin here....... that's very strange.....
[03:31] <Jucato> Tonio_: I'll try pasting something?
[03:31] <Tonio_> Jucato: no, simply do you get the page
[03:32] <Jucato> yes
[03:32] <Jucato> nice banner/header :)
[03:32] <Tonio_> Jucato: thanks :)
[03:32] <Tonio_> Server:         192.168.1.1
[03:32] <Tonio_> Address:        192.168.1.1#53
[03:32] <Tonio_> Non-authoritative answer:
[03:32] <Jucato> heh
[03:32] <Tonio_> paste.tonio.homelinux.org       canonical name = tonio.homelinux.org.
[03:32] <Tonio_> Name:   tonio.homelinux.org
[03:32] <Tonio_> Address: 88.191.12.82
[03:32] <Tonio_> Name:   tonio.homelinux.org
[03:32] <Tonio_> Address: 84.100.8.41
[03:32] <Tonio_> isn't that strange ?
[03:32] <Tonio_> I changed the address to give a try and now it's broken
[03:32] <Tonio_> stupid router.......
[03:33] <Tonio_> dns cache shouldn't exist....
[03:33] <Tonio_> that's a complete non-sense
[03:38] <Tonio_> okay rebooting this...... night all !
[03:54] <beligum> night all
[03:55] <Tonio_> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/56125
[03:55] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 56125 in apt "doesnt look like a cow" [Unknown,Unconfirmed]  
[03:55] <Tonio_> haha :)
[03:55] <Tonio_> excellent
[03:56] <Jucato> lol
[03:57] <Tonio_> I just read X has been broken on dapper once again.......
[03:57] <Tonio_> that's not serious for an LTS version?????
[03:57] <Jucato> when was X broken (again...)?
[03:57] <Tonio_> lots of people on blogs or boards are saying they are gonna change their distro
[03:57] <Tonio_> Jucato: yes
[03:58] <Tonio_> kernel update broke X
[03:58] <Jucato> hm... I'm lucky I guess...
[03:58] <Tonio_> honnestly, updates like kernel or X should have a complete testing process
[03:58] <Jucato> I just updated and nothing happened.. (yet)
[03:58] <Tonio_> Jucato: do you have proprietary driver ?
[03:58] <Jucato> yes
[03:58] <Jucato> heh
[03:58] <Jucato> nvidia-glx
[03:58] <Tonio_> Jucato: well the error has been a few hours only
[03:59] <Tonio_> Jucato: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-security-announce/2006-September/000396.html
[04:00] <Hobbsee> i thought they weretn pushing anything thru until they'd fixed it
[04:00] <Hobbsee> oh, it was a security thing
[04:00] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: in any case X broken means unusable system
[04:00] <Hobbsee> true
[04:01] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: the point is why isn't X capable to try mesa if something goes wrong ?
[04:01] <Jucato> or vesa...
[04:01] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: windows can do that for 10 years.......
[04:01] <Jucato> is it possible to do that on Linux? 
[04:01] <Jucato> switch to a fallback driver?
[04:01] <Tonio_> Jucato: with X I don't think so
[04:01] <ajmitch> Tonio_: start hacking it up
[04:01] <Jucato> :(
[04:01] <Tonio_> ajmitch: hehe :) I didn't mean I was capable for doing this
[04:02] <Tonio_> Jucato: the solution would be directfb, using the kernel framebuffer nativelly
[04:02] <Tonio_> ajmitch: but honnestly, X has issues that are unacceptable in 2006...
[04:03] <ajmitch> Tonio_: yes, and redhat is paying a few people to work on a number of those isses
[04:03] <Tonio_> ajmitch: it is the only linux/unix component that isn't able to autoselect the drivers to load.....
[04:03] <ajmitch> s/isses/issues/
[04:03] <Jucato> or anything that would give users an indication of what happened, or a way to fix things. staring at the kubuntu logo isn't really that helpful...
[04:03] <Tonio_> ajmitch: do you think directfb has a chance to replace X one day ?
[04:03] <ajmitch> not a chance 
[04:03] <Tonio_> ajmitch: why ?
[04:03] <ajmitch> because you end up just reimplementing X on directfb
[04:04] <ajmitch> which is crackful, insane, and a bad case of NIH
[04:04] <Tonio_> ajmitch: hum... probably, but using the framebuffer seems the best thing to do, osx or windows are doing this for years
[04:04] <Tonio_> ajmitch: it is not a hasard if the only thing apple avoid to use from OSS is X...
[04:05] <ajmitch> you forget how much software there is that relies on X
[04:05] <Tonio_> ajmitch: yes I know, and X is very portable, works on any architecture
[04:05] <ajmitch> most of the problems you list are not problems with X
[04:05] <ajmitch> but in the implementation that we use
[04:06] <ajmitch> which was dead in the water for quite awhile due to politics, etc
[04:06] <Jucato> maybe someday X can switch to a fallback driver in case the default one doesn't work
[04:06] <ajmitch> only in the last 2 years has there been development towards things
[04:06] <Tonio_> hum, yes, xorg has a chance to resolve that in the future
[04:06] <Jucato> something like vesa
[04:06] <ajmitch> Jucato: in the very near future, you mean
[04:06] <Tonio_> ajmitch: I know for the story of xfree :)
[04:06] <Jucato> ajmitch: I was actually hoping within the next 12 months :P
[04:07] <ajmitch> Jucato: quite likely, possibly within 6 months
[04:07] <Tonio_> well the point is that lots of people consider breaking X twice in a month for "the super stable LTS" release is unacceptable
[04:07] <Jucato> ajmitch: that is good news indeed
[04:07] <Tonio_> I must say that makes sense....
[04:07] <Jucato> Tonio_: I agree
[04:08] <Tonio_> once can happen but twice, no...
[04:08] <Jucato> but is this new breakage as widespread as the first one?
[04:08] <Tonio_> what would my mother do with X broken ?
[04:08] <ajmitch> Tonio_: again, the dapper breakage is implementation
[04:08] <Tonio_> play with wpa-supplicant in the shell to get a connection and update
[04:08] <ajmitch> gdm can tell you that X is broken, it wouldn't be hard to tell it to use another config file 
[04:09] <Tonio_> ajmitch: yes, but the update problem is a lack of testing.......
[04:09] <ajmitch> I'm sure kdm can have similar
[04:09] <Tonio_> ajmitch: it hasn't been tested on a machine installed with nvidia drivers
[04:09] <ajmitch> Tonio_: yes, and we're not arguing about that :)
[04:09] <Jucato> ajmitch: maybe we need something like that. staring at a non-moving USplash isn't helpful...
[04:09] <Tonio_> ajmitch: now I am ^^
[04:09] <ajmitch> there was 1 symbol that changed in the kernel, all the modules except l-r-m were checked
[04:10] <ajmitch> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[04:10] <ajmitch> that's the proposed plan for further updates - QA team checks stuff on hardware
[04:14] <Tonio_> ajmitch: good thing, indeed
[04:33] <Jucato> Tonio_: could you give a link to the forum thread about the X breakage?
[04:37] <Tonio_> Jucato: english board ?
[04:37] <Jucato> oh, it wasn't on the english forums?
[04:37] <Tonio_> Jucato: I just checked french ones but gimme a minute :)
[04:38] <Jucato> ah ok nvm
[04:38] <Tonio_> Jucato: the paste script is finished, hehe :)
[04:38] <Jucato> nice :)
[04:38] <Jucato> now we can start hammering your server with pastebins :P
[04:38] <Tonio_> faster than pastebin, that was the goal ;)
[04:38] <Tonio_> Jucato: you can use it of course, I don't have bandwidth problems. it is a 100 MB line :)
[04:39] <Jucato> nice :)
[04:39] <Jucato> of course, official work only heh
[04:39] <Tonio_> Jucato: 30 in france for this :)
[04:40] <DaSkreech> Any open source way to batch resize or thumbnail a buch of pics?
[04:40] <Jucato> Tonio_: btw, about the generic kernel. does this mean that Ubuntu will stop developing other kernels for x86? (I'm using k7 though)
[04:41] <Tonio_> Jucato: no idea....
[04:41] <Jucato> :P
[04:41] <Tonio_> Jucato: is K7 giving better performances ? I tested on my previous machine but I didn't saw any difference to be honnest
[04:42] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: hum, can't gwenview do this ?
[04:42] <DaSkreech> batch?
[04:42] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: yes
[04:42] <Jucato> to be honest... the generic kernel booted faster than the k7 kernel in Edgy :P
[04:42] <Jucato> Tonio_: I think you need the kipi plugins for that?
[04:42] <Tonio_> Jucato: I think yes
[04:43] <Tonio_> Jucato: I still wonder why we don't ship kipi plugins by default........
[04:43] <Jucato> but MEPIS has some Konqueror service menus for this. I just don't know which package installs those
[04:43] <Jucato> Tonio_: aseigo wonders too :)
[04:43] <Tonio_> Jucato: I know, we discussed that during the latest uds hehe :)
[04:44] <Tonio_> Jucato: digikam uses kipi-plugins too ?
[04:44] <DaSkreech> Can I apt-get the kipi plugins?
[04:44] <Jucato> not sure. I meant if we're going to ship a Digikam package that doesn't have those functions/features by default
[04:44] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: yes
[04:44] <Jucato> DaSkreech: certainly :)
[04:45] <Tonio_> Jucato: well we are going to ship digikam by default with edgy, I wrote main inclusion rport
[04:45] <Jucato> what's on F4?
[04:45] <Tonio_> Jucato: but yes, we should give love to kipi-plugin :)
[04:45] <DaSkreech> Konsole
[04:45] <Jucato> "sudo aptitude install kipi-plugins)"
[04:45] <Jucato> ah
[04:45] <Jucato> err.. minus the ")"
[04:47] <DaSkreech> Jucato: all my Yakuake terminals are doing something now so I just opened Konsole for a quick search
[04:47] <Jucato> DaSkreech: ah. don't you like apt:/ ?
[04:47] <DaSkreech> eh?
[04:48] <Jucato> in Konqi
[04:48] <Jucato> apt:/ kioslave, very nice
[04:48] <Jucato> very fast, too
[04:48] <Jucato> plus you have the option of searching offline (apt-cache) and online (packages.ubuntu.com)
[04:48] <DaSkreech> can I rpm:/ as well?
[04:48] <Jucato> lol
[04:49] <DaSkreech> It's the Microsoft of the open source world
[04:49] <Tonio_> Jucato: okay I added kipi-plugins on the list of this to discuss next meeting
[04:49] <Jucato> it's a kio slave
[04:49] <Jucato> Tonio_: nice :)
[04:49] <DaSkreech> Tonio_: Add screenkast
[04:49] <Jucato> lol
[04:50] <DaSkreech> Damn this is useful
[04:50] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: hum, not sure it is absolutly usefull for Joe :)
[04:50] <DaSkreech> HATE >_< HATE
[04:50] <Jucato> DaSkreech: in what way does Konqueror become the MS of the opensource world?
[04:50] <Jucato> heh.. you hate it because it's useful lol
[04:50] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: and that'll never happen, since screenkast depends on things in multiverse, like trancode
[04:50] <Jucato> it will never be in main, that's for sure
[04:51] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: like all video management relative apps for linux
[04:51] <DaSkreech> Oh look someone is doing this and might be succesful we should stela it and make it look super easy then we will rule all MUWAHAHAHAHAHAHA Oh no  I mean this is for the good of the consumer *cough*
[04:51] <Jucato> O_O
[04:52] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: not sure for transcode, but it has obviously multiverse dependancies, like ALL linux apps that can produce video :)
[04:52] <DaSkreech> No video is available for open source?
[04:52] <DaSkreech> .ogg?
[04:53] <Jucato> lol
[04:53] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: the problem is that those softwares generally can be build with or without certain formats support
[04:53] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: so if you provide a main version, it'll be limited in its functionnalities
[04:54] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: that's why they are in multiverse......
[04:54] <Jucato> Tonio_: like Amarok? :P
[04:54] <Jucato> j/k
[04:54] <DaSkreech> Tonio_: Like quite a few of the apps we ship and then have warning on them?
[04:54] <Tonio_> Jucato: like kaffeine too.... it needs compiling with lame for mp3 ripping support, which I had to disable
[04:54] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: exactly, those cannot go in main......
[04:55] <Jucato> heh who needs kaffeine or kaudiocreator for ripping mp3's :P
[04:55] <Tonio_> Jucato: me since konqueror is SLOOOOW
[04:55] <Jucato> heh
[04:55] <DaSkreech> <3 Konqueror
[04:55] <DaSkreech> Wait No I dont
[04:55] <Jucato> maybe the settings for the Audio CD needs to be changed to make it rip faster?
[04:55] <DaSkreech> HATE >_< HATE
[04:56] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: screenkast depends on libinstrudeo that depends on ffmpeg that is in multiverse :)
[04:56] <Tonio_> hihi, that was obvious :)
[04:56] <Jucato> DaSkreech: you have a bad case of... um... hm.. some psykological disorder :)
[04:57] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: so de facto screenkast can only be a multiverse app....
[04:58] <Jucato> not even a universe app? *gasps*
[04:58] <Tonio_> like manDVD too...
[04:58] <Tonio_> Jucato: nope
[04:58] <Jucato> :(
[04:59] <Tonio_> Jucato: one dep in multiverse -> multiverse
[04:59] <Jucato> hm...
[04:59] <Tonio_> Jucato: that's only for dep, not builddeps
[04:59] <DaSkreech> Ok Let mee see if this is clear
[04:59] <Jucato> no way to remove those dependencies, and put a very basic open source friendly screenkast in universe?
[05:00] <DaSkreech> If Mp3 suddenly was unencumbered we would ship a bunch of stuff in main suddenly?
[05:00] <Tonio_> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=33545
[05:00] <Tonio_> hum, could be usefull !
[05:00] <Jucato> DaSkreech: probably... depends on how "unencumbered" it will be
[05:00] <Jucato> Tonio_: definitely useful :)
[05:00] <Jucato> if it works :P
[05:01] <Tonio_> Jucato: well, it looks popular.......
[05:01] <Tonio_> Jucato: I had a note to package it someday :)
[05:01] <Jucato> ah
[05:02] <Tonio_> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=37669
[05:02] <Tonio_> I need to package this forst
[05:02] <Tonio_> s/forst/first
[05:03] <Jucato> does it need mencoder?
[05:03] <Tonio_> Jucato: that needs ALL multiverse stuff :)
[05:04] <Jucato> ouch! but it only lists amarok and taglib as requried dependencies...
[05:04] <Jucato> heh almost all transcoding GUI's I've seen are either service menus are just pretty frontends for mencoder :P
[05:04] <Jucato> btw...
[05:04] <Jucato> !kompare
[05:04] <ubotu> kompare: a KDE GUI for viewing differences between files. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 308 kB, installed size 1060 kB
[05:05] <Tonio_> Jucato: yes, you can build it without all formats support, but that's not very usefull
[05:05] <Tonio_> Jucato: hey there is a package :) didn't knew this (and didn't checked)
[05:05] <Tonio_> Jucato: something like transkode need to be compiled with everything enabled, but then -> multiverse
[05:05] <Jucato> heh... I thought komparator sounded familiar. so I looked it up
[05:06] <Jucato> ah
[05:06] <DaSkreech> Ha ha Lying script
[05:06] <Tonio_> kaffein ?
[05:07] <Jucato> heh
[05:08] <DaSkreech> I'm actually listneing to Mungo City
[05:09] <DaSkreech> Ah Better
[05:10] <DaSkreech> Anyway Good night Folks of Gentleness (and Beautiful Women)
[05:10] <Jucato> lol
[05:10] <Jucato> night! :)
[05:10] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Which Psykological disorder btw?
[05:10] <Jucato> hm.. i dunno... schizophrenia? heh
[05:11] <DaSkreech> Ah I'll have to discuss that with the others and I'll get back to you
[08:15] <seaLne> only if you argue about it with your other selfs
[08:20] <imbrandon> lol
[08:22] <Jucato> I don't thinK a bad spelling konvention is klassed as a psykological disorder :)
[08:22] <seaLne> oK
[08:22] <Jucato> heh :)
[10:34] <imbrandon> moins el
[10:34] <imbrandon> moins Hobbsee
[10:34] <imbrandon> Riddell, pitti gave me the low down on ipodslave , he will try to get the MIR done monday 
[10:34] <Hobbsee> hey imbrandon 
[10:34] <Hobbsee> hi el 
[10:35] <Jucato> hi imbrandon el Hobbsee!! :)
[10:35] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato 
[10:35] <imbrandon> Riddell, also i have amarok 1.4.3 patch from upstream ready ( and built with libnjb too ) ready for when the freeze ends 
[10:35] <imbrandon> heya Jucato
[10:41] <el> hi Hobbsee, hi imbrandon and Jucato 
[10:41] <el> hey Riddell 
[10:42] <imbrandon> wb \sh
[10:43] <\sh> hey guys
[10:56] <allee> hey! wb \sh
[10:57] <Hobbsee> hey \sh allee 
[10:59] <imbrandon> heya allee
[10:59] <imbrandon> looks like the world is wakin up ;)
[11:00] <allee> imbrandon: no kids are now out of the house ;)
[11:01] <imbrandon> ahh ;)
[11:01] <imbrandon> what part of the world are you in allee , i know where most everyone else is
[11:02] <imbrandon> hehe
[11:02] <imbrandon> too cold there for you
[11:02] <imbrandon> and your fingers
[11:02] <Hobbsee> it's too cold *here* for me
[11:03] <imbrandon> hahaha
[11:03] <Hobbsee> why does no one ever believe me when i say that i'm in antarctica?  :P
[11:03] <imbrandon> and the dev summit in mt view is going to be in november, if it was  a little farther south it would be ok, but there its going to be COLD
[11:03] <imbrandon> \sh, i was just about to try it out today
[11:04] <imbrandon> but i dont have an ati in this computer
[11:04] <imbrandon> ( intell only )
[11:04] <imbrandon> s/ll/l/
[11:04] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: right....*great*
[11:04] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i definetly wont come then :P
[11:04] <\sh> imbrandon: it works somho
[11:05] <imbrandon> heh it will be about 45F there that time of year
[11:05] <\sh> somehow, but the mouse cursor on the second display is borked
[11:05] <Hobbsee> holy cow
[11:05] <Hobbsee> 7C
[11:09] <imbrandon> hehe
[11:12] <imbrandon> heh good thing its in a warm building and hotell then huh ;)
[11:12] <Hobbsee> hmmmm...point
[11:13] <Hobbsee> for some reason, my brain was telling me that i'd actually be in those cold temperatures a fair bit if i went.
[11:13] <imbrandon> socal would have been nice though
[11:13] <imbrandon> even that time of year
[11:13] <imbrandon> but sf isnt in socal
[11:13] <imbrandon> heh
[11:13] <imbrandon> like LA it will still be warm
[11:13] <Hobbsee> socal?
[11:13] <imbrandon> southern california
[11:14] <imbrandon> sf is in middle to norther cali
[11:14] <imbrandon> nothern*
[11:15] <imbrandon> but we dont want a conf in LA, weird people there , lol , just teasin
[11:15] <Hobbsee> ah
[11:15] <Hobbsee> hehe
[11:15] <imbrandon> actualy all of cali is a bit diffrent than th rest of the US but not as strange
[11:16] <imbrandon> its nicknamed the "left" coast here for the left wing politics and laws
[11:16] <imbrandon> e.g. really liberal
[11:16] <Hobbsee> actually, i'd heard that before
[11:17] <imbrandon> no smoking in public , smog laws etc etc etc
[11:17] <Hobbsee> smart.  we get that in july!  woo!
[11:17] <imbrandon> heh
[11:17] <Hobbsee> er, well, teh no smoking indoors - i think people can still smoke outside
[11:18] <imbrandon> bah
[11:18] <imbrandon> no smoking peroid in cali cept in your home basicly
[11:18] <imbrandon> pure crap
[11:18] <imbrandon> imho
[11:18] <Hobbsee> said by a smoker.
[11:19] <imbrandon> a smoker with rights just like a non-smoker ;)
[11:19] <Hobbsee> sure.  then again, your rights to smoke violate my rights to breathe clean air.
[11:19] <imbrandon> not outside, or in well ventalated smoking sections that are already in place ;)
[11:20] <Hobbsee> yeah all right....
[11:20] <imbrandon> ;P
[11:20] <imbrandon> kwwii will be outside in the cold smoking with me ;)
[11:21] <imbrandon> that and the "sin" tax there is higher ( in cali )
[11:21] <imbrandon> like 5 bux for smokes
[11:21] <imbrandon> compared to here its like 2.75
[11:22] <Hobbsee> go for it :P
[11:22] <imbrandon> whats the current AUD to USD conversion ;)
[11:22] <Hobbsee> just dont come near me, or i'll whinge at you.  my boss learnt this!
[11:24] <imbrandon> 	1 U.S. dollar = 1.33102622 Australian dollars
[11:24] <imbrandon> via google
[11:24] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: how many cigarettes is that for?
[11:24] <Hobbsee> the 2.75 - 5
[11:24] <imbrandon> 20 in a pack
[11:25] <imbrandon> 2.75 is roughly 3 AUD 
[11:25] <Hobbsee> wow
[11:25] <imbrandon> for 20 cigarettes
[11:25] <Hobbsee> oh yeah, that's right - ours are pretty highly taxed.
[11:25] <Hobbsee> serves the smokers right.  and the gamers
[11:25] <Hobbsee> :P
[11:25] <imbrandon> lol
[11:25] <Hobbsee> seeing as the pokies get heavily taxed too
[11:25] <imbrandon> pokies ?
[11:26] <Hobbsee> ... you dont have pokies there?
[11:26] <Hobbsee> gaming rooms - slots, cards, etc
[11:26] <Hobbsee> where mez works
[11:26] <Hobbsee> casinos
[11:26] <allee> imbrandon: (South) Germany
[11:26] <imbrandon> ahh yea we have them only in Nevada though ( casino's )
[11:26] <imbrandon> reno and las vegas
[11:27] <imbrandon> allee, cool
[11:27] <Hobbsee> heh, i've seen some of the las vegas pokies.
[11:27] <allee> \sh in yesterdays devel meeting it was mentioned that some xserver patches are not uploaded yet (due to knot3 freeze)
[11:27] <imbrandon> well we have them other places too but only on rivers and other places "not part of the US soil"
[11:27] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[11:28] <imbrandon> by in large its illeagle here ( cept Nevada )
[11:28] <Hobbsee> smart
[11:28] <imbrandon> heh
[11:29] <imbrandon> i should get a big fat cigar for my gotchi ;)
[11:29] <Hobbsee> heh
[11:29] <Hobbsee> i thought you already had one, actually
[11:29] <imbrandon> i have a gotchi , not a cigar 
[11:29] <imbrandon> heh
[11:30] <Hobbsee> i thought you had the cigar in the gotchi
[11:30] <imbrandon> btw pokie in the US means the jailhouse most of the time 
[11:31] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, nope
[11:31] <Hobbsee> heh..right
[11:31] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: sure that's not the "grey bar hotel"
[11:31] <imbrandon> lol
[11:31] <imbrandon> dunno i try not to stay at that hotel ;)
[11:31] <Hobbsee> hehe
[11:32] <imbrandon> or any that you cant check out of freely ;)
[11:34] <Hobbsee> heh
[11:37] <Tonio__> yop
[11:37] <Hobbsee> hey Tonio__ 
[11:38] <freeflying> can a LGPL application use GPL-2's library?
[11:38] <freeflying> Tonio_: ?
[11:39] <Tonio_> freeflying: hum.... I would say yes
[11:39] <freeflying> Tonio_: really? :)
[11:41] <Riddell> freeflying: yes, it just ends up as GPLed
[11:42] <Tonio_> freeflying: that's my opinion too ;)
[11:43] <Tm_T> ok, I'm going to do something terrible, dapper->edgy in my workstation
[11:43] <freeflying> Riddell: scim-bridge's qt client use qt , but scim-bridge released under LGPL, so is that ok?
[11:43] <Tm_T> anything to expect?
[11:43] <Tm_T> or something you like to be observed?
[11:45] <Riddell> freeflying: it's fine, if a bit silly.  just say that it's LGPL but because it uses qt it ends up as GPL
[11:45] <Riddell> KDE libs is exactly the same
[11:46] <freeflying> Riddell: so I can upload them? 
[11:48] <Riddell> freeflying: sure, although it might be an idea to have someone else review the package first since it sounds like a lot has changed
[11:55] <Tonio_> Tm_T: appart from a few annoying bugs, edgy is fairly usable now, and pretty stable
[11:56] <Tonio_> Tm_T: just be sure you have kubuntu-desktop installed and you can go with dist-upgrade :)
[11:56] <imbrandon> and dist-upgrades are a nightmare but you can do it 
[11:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: I will ping pitti to know what about for digikam
[11:58] <Riddell> Tonio_: ok, be polite :)
[11:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: of course... Am I that unpolite globally ? ;)
[12:00] <Riddell> not at all
[12:00] <\sh> allee: well, I think it's more a regression in the native ati driver
[12:00] <Riddell> it's just that pitti knows about anything added to that page already
[12:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: hehe
[12:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: I was thinking about kipi-plugins
[12:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: both digikam and gwenview use them, should we ship the package out of the box now ?
[12:05] <Tonio_> that would make sense
[12:06] <imbrandon> Riddell, i guess that means ( when the freeze is lifted ) i can make k-d-s handle the ipod correctly with ipod slave ? ( per what he just said in u-devel )
[12:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: it has libkexif1 dependancy that is in universe but is gonna be added to main for digikam, so there is no technical reason not to do it
[12:07] <Hobbsee> heh.  dad thinks i'm "project manager"
[12:07] <imbrandon> hehe
[12:07] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: hehe
[12:07] <Hobbsee> he saw my wiki page it looks like.
[12:08] <imbrandon> just tell him you use a long pointy stick
[12:08] <Hobbsee> haha
[12:10] <Tonio_> people, if you need a paste that works http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/
[12:10] <Tonio_> since pastebin is unusable and paste.ubuntu-nl is pretty slow...
[12:11] <imbrandon> haha Tonio_ i was thingking of adding paste.imbrandon.com but thats great now i dont have to
[12:12] <Tonio_> imbrandon: hehe ;) it is pretty easy to install in fact, I use the pastebin.com script
[12:12] <imbrandon> yea i grabbed Seveas's php script and was looking at it
[12:12] <Tonio_> imbrandon: just needs a bit of css polishing
[12:12] <imbrandon> yup
[12:12] <Tonio_> Seveas has done one too ?
[12:13] <imbrandon> its just a modified pastbin.com one
[12:13] <Seveas> Tonio_, paste.ubuntu-nl is mine
[12:13] <Tonio_> Seveas: ah okay :)
[12:13] <Seveas> but the slowness is killing, will redo it
[12:15] <imbrandon> ugh thunderbird isnt check all my mail folders automaticly 
[12:19] <Tonio_> imbrandon: use KONTACT !!!!!!!
[12:19] <Jucato> heh
[12:20] <imbrandon> i would if someone could debug my backtraces that happen every time i read a gpg signed message from an imap folder ;)
[12:20] <imbrandon> i used it all day every day untill yesterday
[12:20] <imbrandon> heay kwwii_
[12:20] <imbrandon> brb more soda
[12:21] <kwwii_> moin
[12:21] <Jucato> heh.. soda = Mt.Dew?
[12:21] <kwwii_> you can tell which part of america one is from (generally speaking) by whether they say "soda" or "cola" 
[12:22] <kwwii_> so dude, what happened to the boot/kernel/usplash whatever?
[12:22] <Jucato> really? we call them "softdrinks" in our country....
[12:22] <Hobbsee> kwwii_: it works?
[12:22] <kwwii_> my computer boots, after about 5 min.
[12:22] <Hobbsee> we call it coke/pepsi/lemonade
[12:22] <kwwii_> oh, since the update yesterday it does not work for me very well
[12:22] <kwwii_> and the usplash is gone
[12:25] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: aka kbuildsyspepsi, kbuildsyslemonade ? ;)
[12:25] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: hehe
[12:25] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: we shoudl create symlinks for this, there is no reason to onlyprovide coca stuff, that's unfair :)
[12:25] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[12:26] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: what would be your opinion on changing "samba shares" in konq to "network drives" or something?
[12:26] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: hum, translation ? I agree, "samba" looks strange for Joe
[12:26] <Lure> allee: if you have time to test powermanager from SVN with multiple battery - it would be great
[12:26] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: that makes sense
[12:27] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: yeah
[12:27] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: but I don't have "samba shares" here
[12:28] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: under remote:/?
[12:28] <Tonio_> ah... let me test
[12:28] <Riddell> imbrandon: what's to change in k-d-s?  don't we want the ipod patch from suse?
[12:28] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: hit network folders in konq
[12:28] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: ah yes okay
[12:28] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yes that should be translated.....
[12:29] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: the problem is I don't think those are on rosetta, these are desktop files
[12:29] <Hobbsee> right
[12:29] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: we have to patch the .desktop....
[12:30] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: we can ask to #kubuntu and #ubuntu for everyone to give his mother tong translation maybe......
[12:30] <imbrandon> Riddell, yea the ipod patch from suse would work 
[12:30] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: right.  maybe it's only the english translation that is weird?
[12:31] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: nope, french is too :)
[12:31] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: let's find this desktop file first :)
[12:31] <imbrandon> Jucato, yea those in my part of the country say soda, those in the north say cola for the most part ;)
[12:31] <Tonio_> maybe it isn't desktop file, Hobbsee it can be in smb:/ source code
[12:31] <Jucato> ah that explains it :)
[12:32] <Hobbsee> ah
[12:32] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: ./kdebase-3.5.4/kioslave/smb/smb-network.desktop:Name[fr] =Partages Samba
[12:32] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: right
[12:33] <Tonio_> locally in /usr/share/apps/remoteview/smb-network.desktop
[12:33] <Tonio_> okay so we have to patch it.......
[12:33] <Tonio_> "network shares" or "network drives" ?
[12:34] <Tonio_> I prefer shares, but that be just me
[12:35] <Tonio_> +can
[12:35] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: ?
[12:35] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: yeah, probably network shares
[12:35] <Jucato> +1 :)
[12:36] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: what about "shared network drives"
[12:36] <Tonio_> ?
[12:36] <Jucato> too long?
[12:36] <Hobbsee> probably a little long.  network shares gets the point across
[12:36] <Tonio_> Jucato: indeed but explicit :)
[12:36] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: okay let's patch......
[12:36] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: we need languages
[12:37] <Jucato> so is "network drives shared with another operating system"
[12:37] <Hobbsee> lol
[12:37] <imbrandon> Tonio_, did you notice the bug about changing "Samba Shares" to "Windows Shares (via SMB)" i'm inclinded to +1 that as a new user will not know what a "Samba Share" is 
[12:37] <Tonio_> imbrandon: hum....... samba isn't only for windows now
[12:37] <imbrandon> exactly , but its not called samba on windows ;)
[12:37] <Tonio_> imbrandon: most linux admins are using samba in the first place
[12:38] <imbrandon> right i'm talking about in the UI
[12:38] <Tonio_> imbrandon: that's why just "network shares" is good
[12:38] <imbrandon> this is a diffrent spot
[12:38] <imbrandon> lemme find the bug
[12:38] <Tonio_> imbrandon: okay
[12:39] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: let's go with network shares then ?
[12:39] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: yep
[12:40] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/8
[12:40] <Tonio_> we need to ask people for help concerning this
[12:40] <imbrandon> Tonio_ / Hobbsee / Riddell https://launchpad.net/bugs/50264  i tend to agree with it, what do you all think ? ( for a wishlist bug )
[12:40] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 50264 in kdenetwork ""Samba Shares" is likely to mean nothing to new user" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  
[12:40] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: that's what we're discussing now :)
[12:41] <Tonio_> imbrandon: I agree on th e idea except that network shares is better in my view
[12:41] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: right, how do we get the translations?  babelfish or something?
[12:41] <imbrandon> well does that dialog cover nfs and other protocals , if not then windows shares is better
[12:41] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: asking people on channels maybe ?
[12:41] <Riddell> imbrandon: yes, but it's an upstream issue
[12:42] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: you're not going to get all languages like that though
[12:42] <Tonio_> imbrandon Hobbsee : "network shared folders"
[12:42] <Tonio_> that's the best in my view, and not too long I think
[12:42] <imbrandon> Tonio_, wait, if its SMB /olnly/ it needs to say windows , becosue there are other protocals like nfs that arent covered
[12:42] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: that's a good way to start :)
[12:42] <imbrandon>  /only/
[12:43] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: good point
[12:43] <Tonio_> imbrandon: people using nfs don't use "remote" under konqueror :)
[12:43] <Hobbsee> so windows shares or something?
[12:43] <imbrandon> Tonio_, I do
[12:43] <Tonio_> imbrandon: who is using nfs nowadays ?
[12:43] <imbrandon> Tonio_, i do
[12:43] <imbrandon> alot of people do and also apple shares
[12:43] <imbrandon> point is smb is not "network shares" its "windows shares"
[12:44] <imbrandon> smb is windows only
[12:44] <Tonio_> imbrandon: the point is smb isn't specific to windows nowadays, apple or linux are using it, and most of the time by default too
[12:44] <Tonio_> imbrandon: no smb is a protocol, that about everyone uses, and certainly not windows only
[12:45] <Tonio_> imbrandon: redhat or xandros are using this by default, nfs is dead today....
[12:45] <imbrandon> most linux and apple default to nfs ;)
[12:45] <Tonio_> imbrandon: hum...
[12:45] <imbrandon> i know my os x 10.4 shares nfs by default and so does dapper server
[12:45] <Tm_T> Tonio_: mooh, no *-desktop packages here
[12:45] <Hobbsee> Jucato: heh, that's waht i'm going
[12:45] <Hobbsee> s/going/doing/g
[12:46] <Tonio_> Tm_T: hu ?
[12:46] <Jucato> s/waht/what
[12:46] <Tonio_> Tm_T: /usr/share/apps/remoteview/smb-network.desktop
[12:46] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: any opinion concerning imbrandon's point ?
[12:46] <Tm_T> Tonio_: I mean, *buntu-desktop package(s) not installed now, maybe I do just for upgrade
[12:47] <Tonio_> Tm_T: ah ;)
[12:47] <imbrandon> Tonio_, if it covered all network protocals i would say yea but it only covers one , smb 
[12:47] <Tonio_> imbrandon: hum.... that's not false :)
[12:47] <imbrandon> thus the "Windows Shares ( via SMB )" so even experinced users are at home
[12:48] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: none, sorry - i dont know the varoius protocols well enough
[12:48] <Jucato>  0
[12:48] <Tonio_> imbrandon: I agree it is very explicit
[12:48] <Tonio_> imbrandon: let's go with this then
[12:48] <Tonio_> imbrandon: the point is how to get this translated : http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/8
[12:48] <imbrandon>  /kdebase-3.5.4/kioslave/smb/smb-network.desktop <-- thats only samba is what i'm getting at
[12:49] <imbrandon> umm translated heheh 
[12:49] <imbrandon> rosetta ?
[12:49] <Tonio_> imbrandon: can we export desktop files to rosetta ?
[12:49] <imbrandon> not sure
[12:49] <Tonio_> imbrandon: "sure no" is better :)
[12:50] <imbrandon> but otoh i'm sure that "windows" and "shares" is translated somewhere already in rosetta
[12:50] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes, now that we have langpack desktopfiles
[12:50] <imbrandon> we coudl copy^paste
[12:50] <Tonio_> imbrandon: windows is always windows :)
[12:50] <Riddell> but this isn't a big enough issue to throw away all the current translations
[12:50] <imbrandon> hehe
[12:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: hehe good :)
[12:50] <imbrandon> Riddell, true
[12:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: how are they replaced then ? is there a package ?
[12:51] <Riddell> Tonio_: we use .po files
[12:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: cool :)
[12:51] <imbrandon> Tonio_, maybe we could get upsream to do it in 3.5.5 and then it just will get pulled
[12:51] <imbrandon> into edgy or edgy+1
[12:52] <Tonio_> imbrandon: yes
[12:52] <imbrandon> since its low wishlist anyhow
[12:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: so it is possible to have .po files to manage translation of desktop files ? and desktop files strings are overwritten ?
[12:53] <Riddell> Tonio_: .po files have precedence over .desktop translations
[12:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah cool :)
[12:53] <Tonio_> imbrandon: yes that's an idea, probably better getting this upstream
[12:53] <Tonio_> imbrandon: fancy contacting him ?
[12:54] <imbrandon> sure i can , i need to contact kmail about my backtraces anyhow
[12:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's the reason desktop files are patched hehe, now I understand ;)
[12:54] <beligum> afternoon all
[12:54] <imbrandon> \so i can throw away this darned thunderbird
[12:54] <imbrandon> hello beligum
[12:54] <Tonio_> imbrandon: I'm just changing the bug since it is not kdenetwork issue, it is kdebase
[12:55] <imbrandon> ok, you might note too that we wont fix it but we're workign with upstream to get it fixes
[12:55] <imbrandon> fixed*
[12:55] <imbrandon> and i'll contact upstream and file a bug in the upstream bts with the mail and attach it 
[12:56] <beligum> Another X bug got through??
[12:56] <Hobbsee> hey beligum 
[12:56] <Hobbsee> beligum: i hear talk of it, yes
[12:56] <imbrandon> beligum, it was a kernel issue afaik and it seems so
[12:57] <beligum> Hi Hobbsee
[12:57] <imbrandon> ( kernel issue that affected X )
[12:57] <beligum> ic
[12:58] <imbrandon> woot ok, amarok done and ready for the freeze to end, now to scavenge the suse patch for ipodslave
[12:58] <Tonio_> imbrandon:  https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/50264
[12:58] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 50264 in kdebase ""Samba Shares" is likely to mean nothing to new user" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  
[12:59] <Tonio_> how can I change also affects upstream to kdebase too ?
[12:59] <imbrandon> see the "also effects +" to the top right of the page
[12:59] <imbrandon> affects*
[01:00] <beligum> Great, I think ScreenKast is ready too now; http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3127
[01:00] <imbrandon> right under assigned to:
[01:00] <imbrandon> Tonio_, ^
[01:01] <Tonio_> imbrandon: sorry but I don't see it......
[01:01] <imbrandon> Tonio_, but it needs an upstream bug number that hasent been filed yet
[01:01] <imbrandon> Tonio_, ok see the "assigned to:" collumn ?
[01:02] <imbrandon> look below that about 1 sceeen inch 
[01:02] <Tonio_> yup
[01:02] <imbrandon> heh
[01:02] <imbrandon> it has "Also affects:  +   Upstream    +   Distribution"
[01:02] <imbrandon> copy & pasted ^^
[01:03] <kwwii_> man, this menu icon for kdm is killing me
[01:03] <imbrandon> hehe
[01:03] <kwwii_> this is the second day and I still don't like it
[01:03] <imbrandon> use the oxgyen one ( and all the rest ) for edgy heheheh
[01:03] <imbrandon> ( i know the answer is no )
[01:03] <imbrandon> hehe
[01:03] <Tonio_> imbrandon:  https://launchpad.net/products/kdebase/+bug/50264
[01:04] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 50264 in kdebase ""Samba Shares" is likely to mean nothing to new user" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  
[01:04] <kwwii_> actually, there is no oxygen icon for that yet
[01:04] <Tonio_> but I wanted to remove the "also affects kdenetwork (upstream)
[01:04] <kwwii_> so I am kinda making it :-)
[01:04] <imbrandon> Tonio_, looks perfect
[01:04] <kwwii_> anyway...time to pick up the family...brb
[01:05] <Tonio_> imbrandon: looks impossible to remove this
[01:05] <imbrandon> yea i'll add the kde bts # when i have it
[01:05] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: looks like that to me too
[01:06] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: :(
[01:07] <Jucato> Hobbsee: there's a problem with the kernel upgrade that breaks X?
[01:07] <Hobbsee> Jucato: how would i know?  imbrandon knows.  the last time i ran dapper was for an hour or so on my birthday, back in july.
[01:08] <Jucato> lol
[01:08] <Hobbsee> :P
[01:08] <Jucato> sorry, wrong person to address :)
[01:08] <Hobbsee> i didnt even see X break the firs ttime :P
[01:08] <Hobbsee> i hear it broke, yes
[01:08] <imbrandon> i only know from what i read in u-devel, i havent run dapper in ages ( cept on my server and there is no X there )
[01:08] <Tonio_> Jucato: yes, there is, but just upgrade, should be resovled
[01:08] <Jucato> it didn't break for me so I'm kinda curious... 
[01:09] <imbrandon> Jucato, it was fixed fast iirc
[01:09] <Jucato> ah... nice
[01:09] <imbrandon> only affected a small number of people 
[01:09] <Hobbsee> [21:07]  <Pensacola> after installing the new linux image I can't login to kubuntu anymore it only seems to restart X
[01:09] <Hobbsee> i bet that's the problem
[01:09] <imbrandon> most likely
[01:09] <Jucato> Hobbsee: that's why I was asking :)
[01:10] <imbrandon> if they choose an older kernel from the grub list all will be ok till the next update
[01:10] <imbrandon> Jucato, ^^
[01:10] <Jucato> if they have an older kernel :)
[01:10] <Hobbsee> good point
[01:11] <imbrandon> Jucato, they would have to, it dosent come preinstalled
[01:11] <imbrandon> ;)
[01:11] <Jucato> this update only upgraded the kernel. it didn't install a new one.
[01:11] <imbrandon> sure it does, it always does
[01:12] <Tonio_> I can't wait for the day Xorg will be able to autoswitch to vesa if something is broken.......
[01:12] <jsgotangco> imbrandon: do you ever sleep heh
[01:12] <imbrandon> jsgotangco, nope ;)
[01:12] <Jucato> hm... that's strange then.. id didn't install a new kernel for me.
[01:12] <imbrandon> i'm a robot
[01:12] <Jucato> lol
[01:12] <Jucato> a robot that runs on mt.dew
[01:12] <imbrandon> Jucato, then you dident get the update then yet ( your mirror might be slow )
[01:12] <Tonio_> Jucato: yeah, it is a new eggdrop prototype
[01:13] <imbrandon> yea dewdrop ;)
[01:13] <Jucato> imbrandon: I did. almost 12 hours ago. 
[01:13] <imbrandon> self version 777 codenamed "zOMG Ponies"
[01:14] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: that could be fun to suggest for the next version of kubuntu - the theme
[01:14] <allee> Lure: my boss will soon return his 'old' laptop to me.  Then I've a spare one with two batteries. I assume I can even arrange for remote access to it.
[01:14] <imbrandon> heh i did rember ;)
[01:14] <allee> Lure: svn powermanager will it work with dapper too?
[01:14] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ah yes, there's an art in it getting to be taken seriously
[01:15] <imbrandon> ;)
[01:15] <Lure> allee: yes, it should work in dapper too - I suspect it should just work 
[01:15] <imbrandon> kubuntu - Hobbsee edition
[01:15] <Hobbsee> heh
[01:15] <Jucato> heh that would be.... interesting :)
[01:15] <Jucato> lots of kangaroos
[01:15] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: isnt that this one?  it's purple
[01:15] <Tonio_> Lure: I can't wait to upload
[01:15] <Hobbsee> not quite the purple i imagined, but pretty close
[01:15] <allee> Lure: where is it in svn, playground?
[01:15] <Lure> Tonio_: is it working ok for you?
[01:15] <Riddell> please test http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20060915/
[01:16] <Riddell> use rsync for faster download
[01:16] <Tonio_> Lure: sure, but on edgy ;)
[01:16] <Lure> allee: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/base/guidance/powermanager/
[01:16] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/screenshots/ponies1.png
[01:16] <Tonio_> Lure: package is ready, I'll upload as soon as possible
[01:16] <imbrandon> Riddell, grabbing now, is there ppc images ? thats my test box
[01:16] <allee> Lure: thx. I'll try with dapper
[01:16] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: that's immoral and horrific on multiple levels
[01:17] <Jucato> lol
[01:17] <imbrandon> that was a few months ago when we was join about it
[01:17] <imbrandon> jokin
[01:17] <Jucato> my little pony
[01:18] <jsgotangco> ponies ZOMG
[01:18] <imbrandon> i have a little better uptime now ....
[01:18] <imbrandon> brandon@enterprise:~$ uptime
[01:18] <imbrandon>  06:18:02 up 25 days, 23:31,  1 user,  load average: 1.41, 1.05, 0.93
[01:18] <jsgotangco> pretty busy load average eh
[01:18] <imbrandon> heh thats my mail/file/junk server ;)
[01:19] <imbrandon> i keep it busy for a little 333mhx 96mb ram box ;)
[01:19] <sebas> The command uptime itself produces a lot of 1 on that box?
[01:19] <Tm_T> 14:19  14:19:36 up 35 days,  1:44, 417 users,  load average: 8.22, 8.10, 7.35
[01:20] <Tm_T> main shell/web server
[01:20] <jsgotangco> now that's busy
[01:20] <imbrandon> heh
[01:20] <Jucato> heh
[01:20] <Tm_T> well, double duocore I think
[01:20] <imbrandon> hrm i wonder what it is on imbrandon.com /me looks
[01:21] <Jucato> my mother would kill me if I left my computer on that long...
[01:21] <Tm_T> haha
[01:21] <Tm_T> Jucato: server hotels <3
[01:21] <Hobbsee> heh
[01:21] <imbrandon> imbrandon@gobstopper:~$ uptime
[01:21] <imbrandon>  04:21:12 up 48 days, 14:26,  5 users,  load average: 1.97, 2.03, 1.82
[01:21] <Jucato> heh yeah
[01:21] <imbrandon> ^^ imbrandon.com
[01:21] <Jucato> lol
[01:21] <jsgotangco> heh i dont have desktops here, just laptops
[01:21] <jsgotangco> so they're always turned off at night
[01:21] <imbrandon> jsgotangco, suspend to disk ;)
[01:21] <Hobbsee> jsgotangco: yay, someone lik eme!
[01:22] <imbrandon> Jucato, about 12 or 13
[01:22] <Hobbsee> Jucato: he has a build farm, it's very useful
[01:22] <Jucato> lol
[01:22] <jsgotangco> imbrandon: yep or that too, problem is, binary drivers aren't too playful
[01:22] <Jucato> 12 or 13? you're not sure? one's missing? heh
[01:22] <imbrandon> 8 are xboxes though
[01:22] <imbrandon> ;)
[01:23] <Jucato> I've heard of render farms. and now... build farms :)
[01:24] <imbrandon> build farms were before render farms afaik ;)
[01:24] <Jucato> they were used to build the software on those render farms :)
[01:24] <Jucato> all this talk about farms made me hungry :P 
[01:24] <Jucato> brb
[01:26] <Hobbsee> lol
[01:27] <allee> Lure: is there a quick'n dirty way to install powermanager from svn?
[01:27] <imbrandon> Riddell, rsync is hovering arround 595kb sec , nice and fast ;)
[01:27] <allee> pkging way I mean ;)
[01:28] <Lure> allee: cp icons/*.png  /usr/share/apps/power-manager/pics/
[01:28] <Lure> allee: run ./recompile-ui-files
[01:28] <Lure> allee: ./guidance-power-manager.py
[01:29] <Lure> That is it. 
[01:29] <allee> Lure: thx
[01:29] <Hobbsee> Lure: powermanager != g-p-m?
[01:29] <Hobbsee> oh, oops, dont mind me
[01:29] <Lure> allee: you could also copy *.py to /usr/share/python-support/kde-guidance/ where it is in package, but you can run from svn directly
[01:29] <Lure> allee: and you can also fix bugs immediately
[01:29] <Lure> ;-)
[01:30] <allee> Lure: s/fix/introduce/  Yes, I'm sure I can!
[01:30] <imbrandon> hehe
[01:31] <Tm_T> heh, dist-upgrade removes kubuntu-desktop package
[01:32] <allee> argl no pyuic.  alles hates dial up links
[01:33] <allee> Tm_T: try aptitude -D dist-upgrade   maybe you'll see why?
[01:34] <allee> Tm_T: oh.  I prefer visiting a sado-maso club ;)
[01:34] <Tm_T> =)
[01:37] <beligum> what's the IRC-command again to list/search channels?
[01:37] <imbrandon>  /list
[01:37] <Tm_T> ok, upstart conflicts with sysvinit
[01:37] <beligum> lol, thx
[01:37] <imbrandon> Tm_T, yes it replaces it ( with upstart-sysv-compat also )
[01:37] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: indeed.  it's fine to remove sysvinit as long as you have upstart installed
[01:37] <Tm_T> it doesn't here
[01:38] <Tm_T> now it stays in old one =)
[01:38] <Lure> allee: sorry - apt-get install pyqt-tools
[01:38] <Tm_T> ok, I forget dist-upgrade and try just install kubuntu-desktop?
[01:38] <danimo> hi
[01:39] <danimo> can anyone try to reproduce something for me?
[01:39] <imbrandon> danimo, i can try as long as it dont make kde crash ;)
[01:39] <Tm_T> haha
[01:40] <Lure> danimo: if you want to try new powermanager - you can get it from SVN
[01:40] <Tm_T> ok, looks like installing kubuntu-desktop it'll remove punch of -dev packages, I'll say "DO IT!" :)
[01:40] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: what i did was do the dist upgrade, install k-d again, fix all the broken dependancy stuff, make sure k-d is installed, and THEN reboot.
[01:40] <Lure> danimo: or wait for unfreeze and Tonio_'s upload
[01:40] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: you'll like apt-get autoremove, too
[01:41] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: I start from this end, looks reasonable to me
[01:41] <seaLne> what is holding up knot3?
[01:42] <Riddell> seaLne: it's jinxed
[01:42] <Riddell> however the latest images are looking very promising
[01:43] <imbrandon> wow i only have 4 cd's left, i need to go get some more
[01:43] <seaLne> buy cdrws much better for testing
[01:44] <imbrandon> true
[01:44] <imbrandon> as i have a pile of now coasters of diffrent arches etc and diffrent knots
[01:44] <imbrandon> and collonies and flights 
[01:44] <imbrandon> heh
[01:45] <seaLne> the ones i recently bought were only about 2-3 times more expensive
[01:45] <Tonio_> is ntpdate broken on ubuntu ?
[01:45] <imbrandon> plus a box of 200 dapper cd's behind me i intend to give away next week from shipit
[01:45] <Tonio_> ntpdate tells me "no server can be used" whatever is set in the config.......
[01:46] <imbrandon> Tonio_, doesnt look to be ....
[01:46] <imbrandon> brandon@voyager:~/files/devel/revu$ sudo ntpdate ntp.ubuntu.com
[01:46] <imbrandon> 15 Sep 06:45:49 ntpdate[6595] : step time server 82.211.81.145 offset 0.946679 sec
[01:46] <imbrandon> brandon@voyager:~/files/devel/revu$                                        
[01:46] <Tonio_> imbrandon: yes but it ignores the config
[01:46] <Tonio_> imbrandon: sudo ntpdate
[01:46] <Tonio_> imbrandon: then less /etc/defaults/ntpdate
[01:46] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: looks like that k-d install solved "all", now dist-upgrade removes only some python packages :)
[01:46] <Tonio_> s/defaults/default
[01:46] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: nice :)
[01:47] <allee> Lure: Both batteries found and full.  Good ;)
[01:47] <imbrandon> brandon@voyager:~/files/devel/revu$ cat /etc/default/ntpdate
[01:47] <imbrandon> # servers to check.   (Separate multiple servers with spaces.)
[01:47] <imbrandon> NTPSERVERS="0.debian.pool.ntp.org 1.debian.pool.ntp.org 2.debian.pool.ntp.org 3.debian.pool.ntp.org"
[01:47] <Tonio_> imbrandon: now do a simple sudo ntpdate
[01:47] <Lure> allee: ok, great - do they get charged/discharged one at the time or both at the same time?
[01:48] <imbrandon> yea it fails
[01:48] <seaLne> ntpdate requires to be given a server to sync to
[01:48] <allee> Lure: at least my expectation was that 'click' on pm icons shows the batterie/cpufreq info, not the config dialog
[01:48] <Tonio_> seaLne: what's the need of /etc/default then ?
[01:48] <seaLne> for the init script
[01:49] <allee> Lure: afair both at the same time
[01:49] <Lure> allee: I can agree that tooltip is a bit heavy and dialog may be better - but we need to discuss this with sebas
[01:49] <Lure> allee: then tooltip would just display textual status (1:15h remaining)
[01:50] <allee> Lure: both as tooltip and dialog would be fine.  
[01:50] <Tonio_> seaLne: which is ? I can't find it.....
[01:50] <Lure> allee: this is not much work to do, just need to check with Riddell and sebas if they are fine with the change
[01:50] <allee> Lure: don't say that it's easy!
[01:50] <seaLne> Tonio_: not sure can't see it now either
[01:51] <Tonio_> seaLne: looks like it's been removed....
[01:51] <Lure> allee: it is easy as I go on vacation tommorow and I will not do it ;-)
[01:51] <seaLne> Tonio_: yeah
[01:51] <seaLne> maybe upstart thingyness
[01:52] <Tonio_> seaLne: maybe...
[01:52] <Tonio_> but I'd like to understand what does the kde kcontrol module changes to autosync with ntp.......
[01:52] <Tonio_> it should use a daemon but which one ?
[01:52] <danimo> imbrandon: try to start a kuniqueapp from Alt+F2
[01:53] <danimo> imbrandon: do you get a konsole window?
[01:53] <seaLne> Tonio_: normally i'd just run ntp-server
[01:53] <Tonio_> seaLne: hu ? what's this ?
[01:54] <Tonio_> seaLne: nothing here
[01:54] <seaLne> ntpdate sets the time once, ntp server keeps the time in sync constantly
[01:54] <seaLne> Tonio_: what is it your looking at?
[01:54] <Tonio_> seaLne: yes, but I don't have this...... requires manuall installation ?
[01:54] <seaLne> yeah, not default strangely
[01:54] <Tonio_> seaLne: simply reconfig my webserver to sync with ntp from time to time :)
[01:54] <allee> Lure: heh, afair there a systray class to get everything right^Wconsistent.  Unfortunately almost no systray app programmer find it ;)
[01:54] <Tonio_> seaLne: well I can simply cront this
[01:55] <seaLne> Tonio_: better to install ntp-server
[01:55] <Tonio_> cron this, sorry
[01:55] <Tonio_> seaLne: what will this change ?
[01:55] <Lure> allee: I am not much of KDE developer myself - I am just hacking on the base that sebas / Riddell did ;-)
[01:55] <seaLne> running ntpdate occasionally can cause jumps in time, ntpd makes changes gradually
[01:55] <Tonio_> seaLne: hum, good point...
[01:56] <Tonio_> okay let's do that ;)
[01:56] <allee> Lure: heh, you're too a one line patch coder like me ;)
[01:57] <Lure> allee: I never though I would mess with GUIs - I always worked on system SW and kernel code ;-)
[01:57] <imbrandon> danimo, sorry was afk, testing knot3 , ummi dont have that installed it says
[01:57] <Tonio_> Lure: you're a geek ;)
[01:57] <allee> Lure: oh, hard core low level.  cool
[01:58] <Hobbsee> Lure: what's the gnome version of kmilo?
[01:59] <Lure> Hobbsee: control-center package - gnome-settings-daemon or similar
[02:00] <Hobbsee> Lure: cool, thanks
[02:00] <danimo> imbrandon: kunquiapps are a class of kde apps
[02:01] <danimo> imbrandon: those who do not open more than once if you start them multiple times
[02:01] <danimo> imbrandon: like kontact (not amarok btw, it uses its own mechanism)
[02:02] <beligum> Is there a way to include a (self-built) package in a pbuilder environment?
[02:03] <Riddell> beligum: pbuilder login, you need a save switch somewhere too
[02:03] <imbrandon> pbuilder login --save-after-login
[02:03] <imbrandon> do something
[02:03] <imbrandon> exit
[02:03] <imbrandon> it will save it to the base.tgz
[02:04] <allee> danimo: kontact is a bad example. alt-f2 kontact -> nothing. kontact did on another workspace.  Worked fine with kmail standalone: it jumped to workspace with running window.
[02:04] <allee> danimo: looks like needed infrastructure in kdelibs ;)
[02:04] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:05] <danimo> allee: hmm?
[02:05] <danimo> allee: kuniqeapp IS in kdelibs
[02:05] <beligum> great, thx
[02:05] <danimo> allee: it's just that the amarok guys think it's too slow
[02:06] <imbrandon> ok its booting now, everyone  cross your fingers
[02:06] <allee> imbrandon: bye bye
[02:06] <imbrandon> allee, its on the lappy, so i can still USE my desktop
[02:06] <imbrandon> hehe
[02:06] <Jucato> including toes...
[02:06] <imbrandon> wow usplash works on it ( but not my desktop )
[02:06] <imbrandon> and looks GOOD
[02:07] <imbrandon> wow gj kwwii_
[02:07] <imbrandon> that looks awesom
[02:07] <kwwii_> the logo needs to be a bit smaller
[02:07] <imbrandon> smaller? heh i kinda liked it big
[02:07] <Jucato> or the progress bar needs to go up a bit higher?
[02:07] <danimo> imbrandon: what's the change?
[02:07] <imbrandon> but  i guerss so
[02:08] <imbrandon> danimo, its not a test card anymore ;)
[02:08] <kwwii_> ok...I give up, which of these pics says "menu" to you more? http://bootsplash.org/menu1.png or menu2.png
[02:09] <Jucato> between the two... menu1.png imho
[02:09] <imbrandon> 2 definately
[02:09] <imbrandon> heh
[02:09] <beligum> Hm, and how to copy a file into the pbuilder env?
[02:09] <Jucato> menu2.png looks similar to the download icon
[02:09] <Jucato> kget's icon specifically
[02:09] <danimo> imbrandon: yeah
[02:12] <imbrandon> oh wow and the darker purple mixes with the blue stuff MUCH better
[02:12] <imbrandon> ( on the win deco )
[02:13] <imbrandon> i might actualy keep that instead of reverting it to blue after install
[02:13] <imbrandon> heh
[02:13] <Jucato> me too
[02:13] <Jucato> I absolu-positively love it :)
[02:14] <imbrandon> ok live cd testing done, now time to test the actual install process, no hitches so far Riddell
[02:14] <imbrandon> lookin good
[02:14] <imbrandon> ( on my ibook )
[02:14] <Riddell> imbrandon: great
[02:14] <kwwii_> hehe
[02:14] <danimo> kwwii_: how did you manage to make the borders less fuzzy this time?
[02:15] <danimo> kwwii_: more colors?
[02:15] <kwwii_> borders less fuzzy?
[02:15] <kwwii_> on the window? you mean the roundings on the top and bottom?
[02:15] <Jucato> great... the download ain't finished yet :P
[02:16] <imbrandon> Riddell, should i take screen shots along the way or has someone ( nixternal ? ) already done them for the release notes
[02:19] <Riddell> imbrandon: looks like nixternal has plenty
[02:20] <seaLne> is universe frozen just now for knot3 aswell?
[02:20] <Riddell> imbrandon: but if you're on a laptop his power manager applet screenshot needs replaced
[02:20] <Riddell> otherwise top work there nixternal :)
[02:20] <Riddell> seaLne: good questions, I guess not but ask in #ubuntu-motu
[02:21] <imbrandon> no universe is still open
[02:21] <imbrandon> Riddell, yea i'm on a lappy
[02:21] <imbrandon> first thing after the install finishes i'll grab a ss of it
[02:22] <Riddell> imbrandon: see last screenshot on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/EdgyEft/Knot3/Kubuntu
[02:22] <imbrandon> eww ok, yea i can get a better one
[02:23] <imbrandon> says 12 minutes left till the install completes 
[02:24] <imbrandon> hum but g-p-m is saying its only running at 400mhz
[02:24] <imbrandon> instead of 800
[02:24] <imbrandon> where does it get that info ?
[02:24] <imbrandon> does ppc even support cpu scaling ? 
[02:25] <GNUrante> Hi
[02:25] <imbrandon> hello GNUrante
[02:25] <GNUrante> Hi imbrandon!
[02:25] <seaLne> should be able to confirm it in /proc/cpuinfo
[02:27] <kwwii_> so, the next version: http://bootsplash.org/menu3.png
[02:27] <imbrandon> hrm cpuinfo says running cpu : 750FX correct, 15C correct ( afaik ) and 800mhz
[02:27] <imbrandon> but g-p-m says 400mhz
[02:28] <imbrandon> kwwii_, yea there ya go, perfect
[02:28] <imbrandon> #3
[02:28] <Jucato> much better :)
[02:29] <Jucato> (those circle thingies remind me of Fedora Core :P )
[02:34] <kwwii_> hehe, it reminds me of mandrake ;-)
[02:35] <imbrandon> reminds me of .... umm nothing ;)
[02:35] <imbrandon> lol
[02:36] <Jucato_> lol
[02:36] <seaLne> s you can click on it so your drink holder opens?
[02:37] <imbrandon> hahaha seaLne yea
[02:38] <imbrandon> i would sooo rig up a system for it to open the fridge and shoot me a soda if i had an icon
[02:39] <imbrandon> like roll it down a chute or something
[02:39] <Jucato> heh
[02:39] <imbrandon> like in back to the future ;)
[02:39] <kwwii_> imbrandon: you cannot imagine how high up on my todo list that icon is
[02:40] <imbrandon> hahaha kwwii_ second to the bottom ?
[02:40] <imbrandon> or -3 hehe
[02:42] <Hobbsee> sigh.  gpg key borkage, hence i'm still apparently working with an unsigned key.
[02:45] <danimo> kwwii_: what is that icon supposed to be fore?
[02:47] <imbrandon> Riddell, all done and installed, i only notice one issue but i dont think its a show stopper for knot 3 
[02:47] <Riddell> imbrandon: what's that?
[02:47] <imbrandon> the kde splash between kdm login and kdesktop still has the purple / yellow bg
[02:47] <imbrandon> kdm doesnt and the desktop dosent
[02:47] <imbrandon> but the splash does
[02:48] <seaLne> ah i noticed that yesterday, but thought i'd broken something
[02:48] <imbrandon> every thing else seems to work very well
[02:48] <Riddell> oh I know that, it wasn't important enough to breach the freeze
[02:48] <Jucato> heh :)
[02:49] <imbrandon> right right, yea i dident thing it was a showstopper, it has been the only thing i've noticed though
[02:49] <imbrandon> looks and runs great
[02:49] <imbrandon> ( even if g-p-m reports 400mhz for my cpu ) lol
[02:49] <Dace> when will it be released then? ;)
[02:49] <Jucato> it's an eye stopper, though :P
[02:51] <imbrandon> Dace, /possibly/ today, when Riddell ( and the Ubuntu team think its ready )
[02:52] <Tm_T> ok, edgy is up and running
[02:52] <imbrandon> Riddell, umm did ksnapshot get dropped ?
[02:52] <Riddell> imbrandon: nope
[02:52] <imbrandon> i dont see it on the kmenu ( and apple doesnt ahve a printscreen key )
[02:52] <imbrandon> have*
[02:53] <Lure> imbrandon: sudo cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo_*_freq
[02:53] <Lure> imbrandon: put some load on system and see if Mhz increases
[02:53] <imbrandon> Lure, gimme a sec to grab this screen shot then i will, typing on one computer and doing it on another ;)
[02:54] <Riddell> imbrandon: Graphics menu
[02:54] <imbrandon> Lure, it should have been loaded down it was installing 
[02:54] <imbrandon> Riddell, ahhh /me headdesks i was looking in utilities
[02:54] <imbrandon> thanks
[02:58] <Tm_T> hmm, "E: Build-dependencies for konsole could not be satisfied."
[02:58] <Tm_T> this doesn't sound too good
[03:00] <imbrandon> Riddell, http://federation.imbrandon.com/g-p-m.png ( please dont link to that directly its on my cable modem , if you need i can upload it to a perminate webserver )
[03:00] <imbrandon> hehe
[03:01] <imbrandon> [07:53]  <Lure> imbrandon: sudo cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo_*_freq
[03:01] <imbrandon_> brandon@intrepid:~$ sudo cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo_*_freq
[03:01] <imbrandon_> 400000
[03:01] <imbrandon_> 800000
[03:01] <imbrandon_> 400000
[03:02] <imbrandon> Lure, ^^ thats from my lappy
[03:02] <Lure> imbrandon: at least kernel thinks you are scalling - first is current, then max, then min
[03:03] <imbrandon> hrm , i dident think ppc's scaled, i could be wrong though
[03:04] <Lure> imbrandon: maybe due to recent change to use ondemand by default?
[03:04] <Lure> imbrandon: you should check in -kernel or -devel...
[03:04] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, they make you a revu admin? i've been meaning to ask about that as i'm always poking one it seems
[03:04] <imbrandon> Lure, yea good call
[03:04] <imbrandon> Lure, yea most of the time i run osx on the lappy so i wouldent know
[03:05] <Tonio_> kwwii_: isn't that possible to add rounded corners at the bottom too ? ubuntu does that and I much like it
[03:05] <imbrandon> nooooooo
[03:05] <imbrandon> hehe
[03:05] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: nope.  i'm just cleaning it up
[03:05] <imbrandon> j/k
[03:05] <imbrandon> Tonio_, you dont like the flat bottom ? i kinda like it that way
[03:05] <imbrandon> gives it a solid base
[03:06] <imbrandon> ( and not to osxish )
[03:06] <Tonio_> imbrandon, yes I like it, but I would prefer rounded :)
[03:06] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: if i was, then i'd have to fix it every time someone uploaded a binary, or failed mid-upload
[03:11] <imbrandon> Lure, well it looks like its right, ubuntu just seems to be the only one taking advantage of it
[03:11] <imbrandon> Lure, [08:09]  <mjg59> imbrandon: Mobile PPCs scale
[03:14] <imbrandon> yup Riddell the more i play with it, the more it seems solid, even moreso than my desktop install dist-upgrades from breezy-dapper-edgy hehe
[03:14] <imbrandon> i guess i'll do a clean install after edgy hits gold
[03:14] <imbrandon> ;)
[03:16] <kwwii_> Tonio_: rounded corners where?
[03:17] <kwwii_> ahhh, on the windows
[03:17] <Tonio_> kwwii_: on the bottom of a window
[03:17] <Tonio_> kwwii_: yup :)
[03:17] <kwwii_> well, I think it kinda sets us apart, helps with the management of window sizes, and is the default of both win and mac
[03:18] <kwwii_> "flat-bottomed windows making the linux world go 'round"
[03:18] <Tonio_> kwwii_: hehe :)
[03:18] <imbrandon> -- by: Kwween
[03:19] <imbrandon> ;)
[03:19] <kwwii_> lol
[03:19] <Tm_T> kdelibs4-dev: Depends: libkrb5-dev but it is not going to be installed
[03:19] <Tonio_> kwwii_: I have a bunch of updates to perform once knot freeze ends
[03:19] <Riddell> we all do :)
[03:19] <Tonio_> kwwii_: so if you have new amarok theme or ksplash to upload, let me know
[03:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes I know :)
[03:19] <imbrandon> haha yea i was thinking the same thing Riddell
[03:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: it was just to invite kwwii_ to ping me :)
[03:20] <Riddell> Lathiat: I can't get avahi to work in edgy :(
[03:20] <Tm_T> libkrb5-dev: Depends: libkrb53 (=1.4.3-5) but 1.4.3-5ubuntu0.1 is to be installed Depends: libkadm55 (=1.4.3-5) but 1.4.3-5ubuntu0.1 is to be installed
[03:20] <Tm_T> this is known?
[03:20] <Tonio_> nobody has a kdebase to upload I hope ? ;)
[03:21] <imbrandon> Tonio_, i will once i get the ipod stuff ready but i'll wait for you to upload as it will probably take me the rest of today to sort out
[03:21] <imbrandon> the only thing i have ready to upload is a few amarok changes 
[03:21] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: unsynced mirror problem.
[03:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: same, avahi-daemon fails to start here
[03:22] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: the code is fine
[03:22] <Riddell> actually it's libnss-mdns I can't get to work
[03:22] <kwwii_> Tonio_: well, we need to make sure that the wallpaper in the ksplash is set to scale, and points to the right pic (/usr/share/wallpapers/kubuntu-wallpaper.png or such)
[03:22] <imbrandon> Riddell, anything specificly i should test on the lappy ? i've just been messing with everything
[03:22] <kwwii_> Tonio_: and I will have an update for amarok, probably tomorrow sometime
[03:22] <Riddell> Tonio_: you need to run  sudo /usr/share/avahi/enable_avahi 1
[03:22] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: ah thanks, I'll change mirrors then
[03:22] <kwwii_> Tonio_: before that though, I want to finish my KDM stuff
[03:22] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: they're both from the same source package.
[03:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: should that be activated out of the box ?
[03:23] <imbrandon> Tm_T, when running edgy its best to use the gb mirror as it will never bee out of sync with the updates
[03:23] <kwwii_> Tonio_: how about I give you a bunch of stuff either tomorrow or Sunday?
[03:23] <imbrandon> Tm_T, since the updates are often
[03:23] <Tonio_> kwwii_: sure ;)
[03:24] <Tonio_> kwwii_: concerning the ksplash, I must say I don't understanf since scalling is supposed to work, at least it does for other themes...
[03:24] <Tm_T> imbrandon: gb mirror is without country code right?
[03:24] <imbrandon> as long as we get to the buildd's before the openoffice guys after the freeze i'll be happy ;)
[03:24] <Tonio_> kwwii_: so I don't understand why it fails with ours...
[03:24] <imbrandon> Tm_T, without code OR gb. either one is the same mirror
[03:24] <Tm_T> thanks
[03:24] <Tm_T> I'm going without once again
[03:25] <imbrandon> yea since there are so many updates and the mirrors only sync every 6 hours or so its best to use them for edgy
[03:25] <imbrandon> IMHO
[03:26] <Tm_T> aye
[03:26] <imbrandon> i can see it now the oo.o guys waiting for kde* to build ;) would be a nice reversal hehe
[03:26] <Riddell> Tonio_: no
[03:26] <Tm_T> mooh, no, still same complain
[03:26] <kwwii_> Tonio_: my guess is that we need to add something to the Theme.rc to tell it to scale the pic, and/or in the moddin engine itself. I haven't really looked into it much
[03:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, is the kcontrol module able to activate it ?
[03:26] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes
[03:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: a great then :)
[03:26] <Tonio_> kwwii_: well look at the default moodin theme, is scales, and there is nothing special in theme.rc afaik....
[03:27] <Tonio_> kwwii_: that's why I don't understand
[03:27] <Tonio_> s/is scales/it is scaled
[03:27] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: weird, still having same issue
[03:28] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: 
[03:28] <Hobbsee> sarah@sarah:~$ show libkrb5-dev | grep Depends
[03:28] <Hobbsee> Depends: libkrb53 (= 1.4.3-5), libkadm55 (= 1.4.3-5), comerr-dev
[03:28] <kwwii_> Tonio_: the other ones are not using a bg, it is shown directly on the desktop, I think
[03:28] <Hobbsee> sarah@sarah:~$ show libkrb53 | grep Version
[03:28] <Hobbsee> Version: 1.4.3-5
[03:28] <Tonio_> kwwii_: nope, let me show you
[03:29] <kwwii_> by showing a wallpaper, we are effectively covering the desktop, I think
[03:29] <Hobbsee> sarah@sarah:~$ apt-cache showsrc libkrb53 | grep Binary
[03:29] <Hobbsee> Binary: krb5-telnetd, krb5-clients, libkrb5-dev, krb5-ftpd, krb5-doc, krb5-user, libkrb5-dbg, libkadm55, libkrb53, krb5-kdc, krb5-rsh-server, krb5-admin-server
[03:29] <Tm_T> well, who I should blame then, I think it's me
[03:29] <Tonio_> kwwii_: moodinKDE, has a background, nothing special in theme.rc, and it is scalled...
[03:29] <kwwii_> Tonio_: none of the Theme.rc files include a path to a background pic, so they cannot be using one unless it is in the code like that
[03:30] <Tonio_> kwwii_: yes, the default theme path is hardcoded
[03:30] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: blame the unsynced mirrors.  check apt-cache policy libkrb5-dev and libkrb53
[03:30] <Tonio_> kwwii_: you have to set a background unless you name it background.jpg
[03:30] <kwwii_> Tonio_: funky
[03:31] <Tonio_> kwwii_: hehe I know :)
[03:31] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: I'll pastebin something to entertain you ;)
[03:31] <Hobbsee> okay
[03:32] <kwwii_> wow, I cannot point the ksplash to a pic in /usr/share/wallpapers
[03:32] <kwwii_> that does not work
[03:32] <kwwii_> it pops up an error message
[03:33] <Tonio_> kwwii_: nope, needs to be in the same directory....
[03:33] <Tm_T> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23518
[03:33] <Jucato> :)
[03:33] <Tm_T> I don't understand
[03:33] <Riddell> we should patch that
[03:34] <kwwii_> boah, and it has to be a jpeg
[03:34] <Riddell> Tm_T: you have 1.4.3-5ubuntu0.1 installed but it doesn't have any download source
[03:35] <Tm_T> Riddell: yes but why, how
[03:35] <Riddell> kwwii_: we should patch that too
[03:35] <Tm_T> bah, I'll remove && install it :)
[03:35] <Riddell> Tm_T: it's probably in -updates or -security
[03:35] <Tm_T> might be
[03:35] <Tonio_> kwwii_: it depends on the resolution
[03:35] <kwwii_> totally funky
[03:35] <Tonio_> kwwii_: if I resize the image to 1280x1024, it is scaled :)
[03:36] <kwwii_> hehe, what size is your monitor?
[03:36] <Tonio_> 1280x800
[03:36] <kwwii_> I wonder how that looks on 1600x1200
[03:36] <Tonio_> kwwii_: I remember notes by moodin upstream talking about bugs concerning higher resolutions
[03:36] <kwwii_> :p
[03:36] <Tonio_> kwwii_: maybe resizing the background is the solution
[03:36] <kwwii_> perhaps, but it has to look good
[03:36] <kwwii_> on all resolutions
[03:37] <imbrandon> kwwii_, i'm at 1600x1200 by default
[03:37] <imbrandon> looks ok
[03:37] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: from dapper-security
[03:37] <Tm_T> oh
[03:37] <Tonio_> kwwii_: well, be can change the image size, and let people test ;)
[03:37] <Tonio_> there are enough people to report that
[03:37] <kwwii_> exactly
[03:37] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: weird that edgy sources doesn't "override" it
[03:37] <Hobbsee> indeed
[03:38] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: oh i know why...
[03:38] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, wow higher version in -security ?
[03:38] <Hobbsee> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/krb5/1.4.3-7
[03:38] <Hobbsee> -7 FTBFS
[03:38] <Hobbsee> and -5 was the last
[03:38] <Tm_T> eh
[03:38] <Tm_T> ok, so I need just force it a bit
[03:40] <Hobbsee> yeah, it autosynced, but failed to build.  an error in the makefile.
[03:40] <imbrandon> looks like an error in the source
[03:40] <imbrandon> ../../../src/util/support/threads.c:145: error: 'pthread_mutexattr_setrobust_np' undeclared (first use in this function)
[03:40] <imbrandon> ../../../src/util/support/threads.c:145: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
[03:40] <imbrandon> ../../../src/util/support/threads.c:145: error: for each function it appears in.)
[03:41] <Hobbsee> seeing it built in debian...
[03:43] <Tm_T> wget + dpkg did the job
[03:44] <Tm_T> am I right, you can set rules to apt so newer release overpower older release packages, no matter what version numbers are?
[03:44] <imbrandon> heh already rumors starting about goobuntu again after the UDS America was announced
[03:44] <Tm_T> =)
[03:45] <Jucato> heh
[03:45] <Hobbsee> goobuntu?
[03:45] <Hobbsee> oh yeah
[03:45] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:45] <danimo> Ingmar^: uds?
[03:45] <imbrandon> i would laugh my arse off if someone made a custom ( artwork only ) kubuntu desktop iso and put it on bittorrent as goobuntu and just watch the press
[03:45] <danimo> err
[03:45] <Jucato> our own wiki page could actually add to that... glad no one reads it :)
[03:45] <danimo> imbrandon: uds?
[03:45] <imbrandon> ubuntu dev summit
[03:45] <imbrandon> its at google HQ this time
[03:46] <danimo> imbrandon: akademy is happening next to the european google hq
[03:47] <imbrandon> danimo, http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/554
[03:47] <danimo> imbrandon: and we (well, the others) are even having a party right in the google hq
[03:47] <danimo> imbrandon: does that make us googles next takeover candidate?
[03:47] <danimo> imbrandon: oh wait... ;)
[03:47] <imbrandon> hahaha
[03:47] <imbrandon> that would actualy be cool imho
[03:47] <imbrandon> ( if i got hired too that is heheh )
[03:48] <Tm_T> imbrandon: agree, it would be fun to rule google, I mean, err
[03:48] <imbrandon> we would make the google homepage brown for a day
[03:48] <Tm_T> haha
[03:48] <imbrandon> on ubuntus birthday
[03:48] <danimo> imbrandon:brown? pls!
[03:48] <jjesse> purple
[03:48] <Jucato> lol
[03:48] <imbrandon> dude that would be soooooo funny
[03:48] <imbrandon> jjesse, yea but the brown is more identifiable in the press
[03:49] <imbrandon> and would send /. into a frenzy
[03:49] <imbrandon> ;)
[03:49] <Jucato> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDerivedDistros <--- mentions Goobuntu
[03:49] <imbrandon> omg i would pee myself laughing if the cool people at google made a brown theme on ubuntu's birthday
[03:50] <imbrandon> Jucato, yea goobuntu isnt a myth it just isnt public
[03:50] <Jucato> heh.. not public enough :)
[03:51] <Jucato> well, if goobuntu were true, then I'm very disappointed at the fact that most of their web services don't work well on Konqi... without spoofing... :(
[03:53] <Tm_T> =)
[03:55] <Riddell> goobuntu is true
[03:56] <Jucato> the Riddell has spoken. all doubts are vanquished :)
[03:56] <Tm_T> aye sir!
[03:56] <imbrandon_> Riddell: one more non show stopper ( i should start a list ) is .......
[03:56] <imbrandon_> Riddell: file:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html
[03:56] <imbrandon_> Riddell: the links on that page dont work
[03:56] <abattoir> imbrandon_: in firefox?
[03:56] <imbrandon_> Riddell: not even the credits
[03:57] <imbrandon_> abattoir: yea its the firfox default page
[03:57] <abattoir> imbrandon_: it works fine in konq.(the last time i checked)
[03:57] <imbrandon_> when installed
[03:57] <abattoir> imbrandon_: there are some firefox links which dont 'link' properly
[03:57] <jdong> "Welcome to Kubuntu 6.06 LTS: the Dapper Drake Release."
[03:57] <Jucato> same thing here
[03:57] <imbrandon_> yea the file works , just not the links on it
[03:57] <Jucato> abattoir is the only one with a working page it seems :P
[03:57] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:57] <Hobbsee> hey bddebian 
[03:58] <Jucato> hi bddebian
[03:58] <jeroenvrpHELP> help
[03:58] <bddebian> Heya Hobbsee, Jucato, imbrandon :-)
[03:58] <abattoir> Jucato: well in konq. it does... we did speak about this in #kubuntu, if you might remember
[03:58] <jeroenvrpHELP> I can' t start edgy anymore
[03:58] <jeroenvrpHELP> it says:
[03:58] <Tm_T> jeroenvrpHELP: help to you too
[03:58] <Jucato> ah yes.. but not in Firefox
[03:58] <imbrandon_> and if its the default page for firefox on install i think they should work 
[03:58] <jeroenvrpHELP> target filesystem doesn' t have /sbin/init
[03:58] <Jucato> abattoir: but konq's help:/ page uses a different page from the one used by Firefox
[03:58] <jdong> jeroenvrpHELP: we're in the middle of some thing.... and what the heck did you do to your edgy box?
[03:59] <jeroenvrpHELP> I had to do a hard reboot after adept locked up the whole system while installing one simple package
[03:59] <imbrandon_> apparently not so simple
[03:59] <jeroenvrpHELP> php5-cli is what I call simple
[03:59] <imbrandon_> jeroenvrpHELP: you will likely have to boot from a livecd and chroot in and fix it if you have no init
[03:59] <jdong> jeroenvrpHELP: you probably have a corrupted filesystem... tried fscking it from a livecd?
[04:00] <jeroenvrpHELP> yes I'm now using dapper install cd
[04:00] <jdong> imbrandon_: great minds think alike, huh? :)
[04:00] <Jucato> oooh.. chroot :)
[04:00] <jdong> jeroenvrpHELP: you are running ext3, right?
[04:00] <jeroenvrpHELP> no reiser
[04:00] <jdong> jeroenvrpHELP: uhhh
[04:00] <jdong> jeroenvrpHELP: don't fsck it then
[04:00] <jdong> that's suicide :)
[04:00] <Jucato> heh
[04:00] <jeroenvrpHELP> i' ve nver had this
[04:00] <jdong> jeroenvrpHELP: tell ya  what. Take an AK-47 and storm Reiser's house
[04:01] <jeroenvrpHELP> why should i not use fsck
[04:01] <imbrandon_> can you mount the drive ?
[04:01] <jdong> jeroenvrpHELP: fsck.reiserfs is very bad at preserving data and very good at unlinking everything :)
[04:01] <jeroenvrpHELP> imbrandon_: one moment
[04:01] <abattoir>  /usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html  is actually a symlink to /etc/alternatives/firefox-hompage
[04:01] <mornfall> jeroenvrpHELP: you have backups right? :)
[04:01] <imbrandon_> abattoir: yes but the other files its linking to arent symlinked / installed
[04:02] <jdong> mornfall: what the heck are those? :)
[04:02] <imbrandon_> mornfall: of cource he isnt running a dev os on a production system ;)
[04:02] <jdong> mornfall: he's using the world's most reliable filesystem... how unnecessary :)
[04:02] <imbrandon_> jdong: i run reiserfs on EVERYTHING
[04:02] <imbrandon_> never had an issue
[04:03] <jdong> imbrandon_: I run reiser on half my systems. Only had one issue
[04:03] <jeroenvrpHELP> imbrandon_: yes I can mount root
[04:03] <imbrandon_> hell my ipod is even formatted reiser ;)
[04:03] <Jucato> lol
[04:03] <jdong> imbrandon_: lol
[04:03] <jdong> jeroenvrpHELP: does /sbin/init exist?
[04:03] <jeroenvrpHELP> yes it does
[04:03] <Jucato> never ran resierfs on any of my systems, never had an issue :P
[04:03] <Hobbsee> lol
[04:03] <imbrandon_> jeroenvrpHELP: ok chroot into it ( sudo chroot /mount/point ) and goto fixing 
[04:03] <jdong> jeroenvrpHELP: chroot into it, sudo apt-get install --reinstall upstart upstart-compat-sysv
[04:03] <Hobbsee> my only issues are related to pebkac, w.r.t. deleted files
[04:04] <jdong> my only issue with reiserfs is that its fsck is no fscking good
[04:04] <Jucato> ah pebkac! my favorite kind of errors :)
[04:04] <Hobbsee> yep
[04:04] <jeroenvrpHELP> ok I'm in chroot
[04:04] <Hobbsee> i'm *good* at them
[04:04] <jdong> jeroenvrpHELP: reinstall upstart
[04:04] <imbrandon_> run what jdong said
[04:04] <jeroenvrpHELP> what does upstart do?
[04:04] <jdong> jeroenvrpHELP: it's your init daemon
[04:04] <imbrandon_> its provides init
[04:05] <Jucato> Hobbsee: I'm probably better :P
[04:05] <jeroenvrpHELP> but init is there
[04:05] <jdong> jeroenvrpHELP: it might be corrupted
[04:05] <jeroenvrpHELP> yes 
[04:05] <jeroenvrpHELP> ok
[04:05] <imbrandon_> jeroenvrpHELP: but obviously not setup correct
[04:05] <Hobbsee> Jucato: you havent lost your email and a few other things from pebkac.
[04:05] <jdong> Hobbsee: hehe... I've lost quite a bit from it.....
[04:05] <jeroenvrpHELP> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (2 No such file or directory)
[04:05] <jeroenvrpHELP> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[04:05] <jdong> AAH
[04:05] <jeroenvrpHELP> oh wait
[04:05] <imbrandon> jeroenvrpHELP, sudo
[04:06] <jeroenvrpHELP> I havr to mount the /var to
[04:06] <jdong> imbrandon: how can he chroot without sudo? :P
[04:06] <mornfall> i only ran reiser3 once, cost me a partition
[04:06] <Jucato> hm.... I've lost GRUB... 
[04:06] <mornfall> as for reliability
[04:06] <jdong> wow, what a great morning
[04:06] <mornfall> it probably is ok
[04:06] <Hobbsee> Jucato: ouch?
[04:06] <mornfall> these days
[04:06] <mornfall> anyhow
[04:06] <jdong> mornfall: it's great for reliability right now
[04:06] <jdong> mornfall: reiserfs failures almost always trace down to a hardware problem
[04:07] <Jucato> Hobbsee: and I've also lost my sanity quite a few times. beats your pebkac any day :P
[04:07] <jdong> mornfall: but once you're in failure mode, don't expect any help from fsck :)
[04:07] <mornfall> jdong: the idea with backups is that even if you trust your fs 100%, you can't trust your hw and pretend to be sane anyway
[04:07] <jeroenvrpHELP> so if you sat all I have to use ext3, you have to tell me (when my system is up and running) how to convert it all to ext3
[04:07] <Jucato> or you can't trust yourself... GIGO...
[04:07] <Hobbsee> Jucato: hah
[04:07] <mornfall> that too
[04:07] <jdong> jeroenvrpHELP: that's a reformat and restore from backups.....
[04:07] <imbrandon> jeroenvrpHELP, its not a resier issue
[04:07] <jeroenvrpHELP> OK
[04:08] <jdong> jeroenvrpHELP: I wouldn't abandon reiser just because of this
[04:08] <mornfall> jdong: the drive worked flawlessly for years with ext3 after the reiser failure, so :)
[04:08] <jdong> jeroenvrpHELP: ext3 could just as easily die in the same situation
[04:08] <imbrandon> and there is no convert anyhow , reinstall , restore ;)
[04:08] <jeroenvrpHELP> ok apt-get is running
[04:08] <jdong> imbrandon: sure there is, convertfs :P
[04:08] <jdong> PLEASE NOBODY TOUCH CONVERTFS!
[04:08] <jdong> IT DOES NOT WORK
[04:08] <imbrandon> i was gonna say
[04:08] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:08] <jdong> especially the version we have in universe
[04:08] <jeroenvrpHELP> ok done
[04:08] <jdong> it's failed on me 5 of 5 times :)
[04:09] <imbrandon> i trust that about as much as i trust patred to resize ntfs ;)
[04:09] <jeroenvrpHELP> so I have to reboot now I presume
[04:09] <imbrandon> jeroenvrpHELP, yes
[04:09] <jdong> imbrandon: oh come on, ntfsresize is pretty good
[04:09] <jeroenvrpHELP> ok so you later
[04:09] <jeroenvrpHELP> and thanks so far
[04:09] <jdong> jeroenvrpHELP: umount and shut down properly
[04:09] <imbrandon> jeroenvrpHELP, and meet us in #ubuntu+1 next time ;)
[04:09] <imbrandon> hehe
[04:09] <jdong> no way, all the cool people are in here :)
[04:09] <Jucato> lol
[04:09] <Tm_T> jdong: I'm not here
[04:09] <jdong> use ubuntuforums next time :P
[04:10] <Tm_T> but also, I'm not cool
[04:10] <Jucato> jdong: you sure you can handle the additional load? :P
[04:10] <imbrandon> jdong, you recomend someone goto the forums again and i'll go anti-coc on you ;)
[04:10] <jdong> Jucato: oh, you guys are nothing :)
[04:10] <Jucato> lol
[04:10] <jdong> imbrandon: hehe :)
[04:11] <Jucato> jdong: then you essentially speaking with non-existing entities. what does that make you? :P
[04:11] <jdong> imbrandon: what's wrong with forums? :)
[04:11] <Jucato> s/you/you are
[04:11] <jdong> Jucato: I've got nothing better to do right now?
[04:11] <Jucato> lol
[04:11] <jdong> the forum community outnumbers the IRC and mailing list communities :P
[04:12] <imbrandon> forum users 10000 roughly , {,k,x,ed}ubuntu installs 7 million or so , but the forum users WHINGE like they are the only ones and WHINGE some more and never stop WHINGEing
[04:12] <imbrandon> thats why
[04:12] <Tm_T> :)
[04:12] <imbrandon> jdong, hahaha you are sooo wrong
[04:12] <jdong> imbrandon: you need an extra 0 or two
[04:12] <jdong> Active Members: 125,583
[04:12] <imbrandon> jdong, nope about 10k
[04:12] <Jucato> the trolls in the forums outnumber the members of the IRC and mailing lists
[04:12] <imbrandon> ok 125k compared to 7 million
[04:12] <Tm_T> :)
[04:12] <jdong> Jucato: uhhh, no they don't :)
[04:13] <Tm_T> kids
[04:13] <Jucato> heh
[04:13] <jdong> imbrandon: I don't see 7 million people in this room
[04:13] <Tm_T> can I come in too?
[04:13] <jdong> or in the mailing lists :)
[04:13] <Tm_T> ;--P
[04:13] <jdong> ok, maybe 7 million jamaican spammers in the lists
[04:13] <imbrandon> jdong, i dident say in this room, but irc users do tend to behave better
[04:13] <jdong> imbrandon: I've found the opposite, actually
[04:13] <imbrandon> jdong, then you havent been on the internet long
[04:14] <imbrandon> or are squewd in judgement
[04:14] <jdong> imbrandon: idn, I've been quite rudely treated in quite a few channels here
[04:14] <jdong> especially when I started out with ubuntu
[04:14] <imbrandon> forums are the bane of the internet
[04:14] <Jucato> heh
[04:14] <jdong> ok, now you're just pushing it
[04:15] <Jucato> yeah.. pushy pushy :)
[04:15] <imbrandon> jdong, possibly becosue you came in with a forum like "fix me i'm the most important" attitude ? just a guess i dunno ..... thats what i see on the forums from a SMALL fraction of the community that yells loudly
[04:15] <Jucato> Hobbsee help us out here! :P
[04:15] <jdong> imbrandon: we spend hours of our days making sure we're monitoring every post that comes into the forums
[04:15] <imbrandon> jdong, i realize that
[04:15] <imbrandon> but
[04:15] <Hobbsee> jdong: what with?
[04:16] <imbrandon> ohhh i just hate forums
[04:16] <imbrandon> lets leave it at that 
[04:16] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:16] <jdong> Hobbsee: ubuntu's frickin crashing firefox that iwj refuses to update :P
[04:16] <Jucato> different strokes for different brushes :)
[04:16] <jdong> how's that, Hobbsee :)
[04:16] <jdong> imbrandon: agreed. we have irreparably different opinions on forums
[04:16] <Hobbsee> jdong: easy solution.  run mozilla binaries, no more problem
[04:16] <jdong> :)
[04:16] <Hobbsee> you just have to update it manually
[04:16] <jdong> Hobbsee: I am now
[04:16] <Hobbsee> and the packaged plugins dont work
[04:17] <jdong> the point is, I get the idea the IRC and mailing list folks are driving people away from ubuntuforums.....
[04:17] <imbrandon> thats not good for jeo though hehe but there will be another relese before edgy hits gold
[04:17] <jdong> Hobbsee: a couple symlinks fixes your plugin problems :)
[04:18] <Hobbsee> true
[04:18] <imbrandon> jdong, personaly i do, becosue i wouldent recoment anyone goto a place i wont goto myself, thats my 0.2c
[04:18] <imbrandon> recomend*
[04:18] <jdong> imbrandon: have you really been to our forums, before you make slanderous remarks about it?
[04:18] <imbrandon> definately , check my name it was one of the first places i hit back in the day
[04:19] <jsgotangco> some parts are ok and helpful some parts are not, like most social communities
[04:19] <imbrandon> and i read a post on there once in a while
[04:19] <imbrandon> but the forums seem VERY elitest to me and i dont condone nor like that, so i dont contribute there much anymore
[04:20] <mornfall> which forum
[04:20] <jdong> elitist? I don't think so
[04:20] <jdong> mornfall: imbrandon is apparently speaking of ubuntuforums :-/
[04:20] <imbrandon> jdong, like i said these are __my__ opinions , i dont voice them on my blog or alot, just when the subject comes up
[04:20] <Jucato> heh
[04:20] <jsgotangco> imbrandon: i guess the number of post thingie make it apparent as well
[04:21] <imbrandon> jsgotangco, what 2 or 3 ?
[04:21] <imbrandon> maybe 4 max
[04:21] <Jucato> imbrandon: maybe a few of the members do sound elitist, but there are members who aren't
[04:21] <jdong> imbrandon: 2 is right :)
[04:21] <jsgotangco> Jucato: its pretty much like any community out there on the net
[04:21] <jeroenvrp> so that worked
[04:21] <jeroenvrp> thanks
[04:21] <Jucato> or any community for that matter
[04:21] <jeroenvrp> allthough I have some other edgy issues
[04:22] <imbrandon> Jucato, true but those that are dont seem to be scorned enough, what really really really turned me off to them is when one of the moderators openly said they wouldent sign the CoC
[04:22] <jdong> imbrandon: not all the moderators....
[04:22] <jeroenvrp> imbrandon: edgy issues here or in #kubuntu+1
[04:22] <jdong> imbrandon: they said they are not OK with being FORCED to sign the CoC
[04:22] <Jucato> jeroenvrp: #ubuntu+1
[04:22] <imbrandon> it only takes one or two bad apples that arent punished to make the whole pot seem bad
[04:22] <jsgotangco> ah well
[04:22] <jdong> imbrandon: the CoC issue is being taken out of context here
[04:23] <jdong> imbrandon: it came down to a meeting where what you guys told us was basically either they ALL sign the CoC now or they're off the staff
[04:23] <imbrandon> i dident say all of them i said ONE
[04:23] <jdong> and frankly that is quite unfair
[04:23] <jeroenvrp> one edgy issue is kdm-related
[04:23] <imbrandon> jdong, well if they wanted to be an official part of tthe community i dont see that as unfar for them to "sign" a statement saying they will abide by the communitys rules
[04:24] <Riddell> it's not unfair for people with a position in the ubuntu community sign the CoC
[04:24] <buzzen> what happened with that purple->brown artwork for kubuntu ? I twas rather nice, and now I see a plain light blue, which makes my computer look like my bathroom
[04:24] <imbrandon> buzzen, lol
[04:25] <imbrandon> omg hahaha
[04:25] <Riddell> remind me never to be an artist :)
[04:25] <imbrandon> Riddell, that was just my thoughts
[04:25] <imbrandon> hahahaha
[04:25] <bddebian> heh
[04:25] <imbrandon> omg i'm gonna pee myself
[04:25] <mornfall> what?
[04:26] <jeroenvrp> while I boot up and it loads kdm - I can't use the keyboard - so I can't login (I can use the keyboard during boot) - when I choose from the menu 'console login' it restartst kdem (so it does not go to the console login) and I can use the keyboard and logig ?!! (very strange)
[04:26] <imbrandon> mornfall, its been a running joke that the brown one looked like "puke"
[04:26] <buzzen> i loved the brown one..
[04:26] <mornfall> ohwell :)
[04:26] <Jucato> heh
[04:26] <buzzen> this blue is.. jsut a bit boring :)
[04:26] <mornfall> being an artist or being a coder
[04:26] <imbrandon> jeroenvrp, drop to tty1 and make sure all updates are installed ( including kubuntu-desktop )
[04:26] <mornfall> you'll always be blamed for everything you do :)
[04:26] <jeroenvrp> imbrandon: I did that
[04:27] <buzzen> who made the bluye? II want to point out there is nothgni "wrong" with it. i mean its pleasing enough.. 
[04:27] <jeroenvrp> imbrandon: or did you mean todays updates
[04:27] <buzzen> damn. i can't type
[04:27] <imbrandon> jeroenvrp, i mean ALL updates
[04:27] <Jucato> buzzen: are you sure you're seeing the new blue of Edgy?
[04:27] <Jucato> it's not light at all, at least compared to Dapper
[04:27] <jeroenvrp> they are
[04:27] <imbrandon> Jucato, yes everyone thats updated should
[04:27] <jdong> well, I'm off for the day.... got an appointment with a local PD
[04:27] <imbrandon> jdong, hey man
[04:27] <imbrandon> real fast
[04:27] <jdong> k
[04:28] <imbrandon> jdong, dont take what i was saying personal
[04:28] <imbrandon> its just MY opinion
[04:28] <jdong> no, no, I understand :)
[04:28] <imbrandon> i dident mean it that way
[04:28] <jdong> friendly discussion :)
[04:28] <imbrandon> ok just makin sure
[04:28] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:28] <Jucato> the opinion of one man who's high on mt.dew :P
[04:28] <jsgotangco> fight fight fight
[04:28] <imbrandon> lol
[04:28] <jdong> lol
[04:28] <Jucato> lol
[04:28] <Jucato> ooh.. 3 lol's in a row... looks nice
[04:29] <imbrandon> man i wish kwwii was arround to read that
[04:29] <imbrandon> that is sooooooo classic, it made my day
[04:30] <Tonio_> imbrandon hehe, you also requested sponsorship for next UDS ;)
[04:30] <imbrandon> Tonio_, yup
[04:30] <jjesse> another UDS i can't make as I'm traveling :(
[04:30] <Tonio_> imbrandon I just did the same
[04:30] <imbrandon> Tonio_, rockin we need more KDEish people
[04:30] <jsgotangco> jjesse: mehhh
[04:30] <Tonio_> imbrandon now let's hope it's accepted.......
[04:30] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:31] <Jucato> yay KDE! :P
[04:31] <Tonio_> imbrandon we should let Riddell alone with all those gnomists
[04:31] <imbrandon> hahaha
[04:31] <imbrandon> gnomes
[04:31] <Tonio_> hehe :)
[04:31] <jsgotangco> :P
[04:31] <Jucato> hah
[04:31] <buzzen> Jucato: the new blue ?
[04:32] <buzzen> Jucato: not sure :-) maybe i should reboot again :D
[04:32] <imbrandon> buzzen, no the blue is correct
[04:32] <imbrandon> it was just changed
[04:32] <Jucato> but it's a darker blue compared to Dapper's blue
[04:32] <jeroenvrp> imbrandon: ok I installed kubuntu-desktop and updated it all, do I need to install another meta-package
[04:32] <Jucato> or a more purplish blue..
[04:33] <imbrandon> jeroenvrp, nope that should be good ( might reboot again to make sure its all smooth and running as it should be after updates though )
[04:33] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: Any news on that bug I emailed you about by chance ?
[04:34] <jeroenvrp> imbrandon: ok thanks, I guess something was added in kubuntu-desktop
[04:34] <jeroenvrp> I always uninstall the laptop-specific things first 
[04:34] <Jucato> btw, where were we before we went into that "debate"?
[04:34] <jeroenvrp> but I guess I should wait for that after the development of edgy
[04:35] <imbrandon> Hawkwind, oh wow i totaly forgot tbh, i'll check on it here in a sec
[04:35] <imbrandon> Jucato, i dunno i got off on a rant
[04:35] <imbrandon> then the art thing hit me
[04:35] <Jucato> heh
[04:35] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: Ok thanks
[04:35] <imbrandon> and i fell outa my seat
[04:35] <Jucato> ha
[04:36] <imbrandon> jjesse, thats the good thing about them being every 6 months ;)
[04:36] <Jucato> ok.. put the old Edgy wallpaper (puke) beside the new one (bathroom) and pour a glass of mt.dew in a glass/cup (pee). perfect combination...
[04:37] <abattoir> Jucato: what was the first pure purple wallpaper 'branded' ?
[04:38] <imbrandon> i honestly say we go for a green/brown earthy feel for edgy+1, no one else has it , it would bring us closer to ubutnu and still be diffrent and yet be unique from everyone ( including the purple that will be in kde4 )
[04:38] <Jucato> purple+orange (was that even orange?) wallpaper? I think it was "puke"
[04:38] <Jucato> imbrandon: you're a mind reader
[04:38] <abattoir> Jucato: no, the first one, it was just lavender-ish...
[04:38] <abattoir> Jucato: before the purple+orange
[04:38] <imbrandon> Riddell, what you think ? ^^
[04:39] <Jucato> I have also thought/suggested we could go green to bring us closer to Ubuntu :P
[04:39] <imbrandon> dark forest green not the suse green
[04:39] <Jucato> but then again I also thought that maybe all the artists could band up together and make a unique *buntu icon set... :P
[04:39] <imbrandon> easier to look at all day then purple anyhow
[04:39] <jeroenvrp> foggy green
[04:39] <Jucato> SUSE's green hurts my eyes (but so does Edubuntu's red...)
[04:40] <jeroenvrp> or anyway I'm going to reboot
[04:40] <imbrandon> and alot of things mix well with gerrn earthy tons , browns , rich yellows , etc etc etc
[04:40] <imbrandon> green*
[04:40] <imbrandon> tones*
[04:40] <imbrandon> gah
[04:40] <Jucato> but after seeing oxygen... I'm not sure I want Human anymore :P
[04:41] <Jucato> germ... tons... :P
[04:45] <jeroenvrp> imbrandon: after reboot - still the kdem-keyboard issue
[04:45] <Tonio_> I just realized kwwii never came back from his kdm tests........ :)
[04:45] <jeroenvrp> kdem=kdm
[04:46] <imbrandon> jeroenvrp, wow , ok i'm at a loss then bro, you might ask in #ubuntu+1 
[04:46] <Tonio_> [15:37]  * kwwii_ test kdm now...log in, log out, repeat...
[04:46] <imbrandon> jeroenvrp, ahh i just thought about something
[04:46] <jeroenvrp> yes....
[04:46] <imbrandon> jeroenvrp, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:47] <imbrandon> maybe the keyboad device god messed up in the xconf
[04:47] <imbrandon> that will reset it
[04:47] <jeroenvrp> ok I will try that and restart x
[04:47] <imbrandon> ( from tty1 obviously )
[04:47] <imbrandon> yea then sudo /etc/init.d/kdm {stop,start}
[04:48] <imbrandon> past that i'm at a true loss
[04:48] <Jucato> *gasps* imbrandon is at a loss?!?! impossible!!
[04:48] <Jucato> :P
[04:49] <imbrandon> dude i hate when X dont work right, X and sound are my faults
[04:49] <imbrandon> i never get them fixed correctly
[04:49] <Jucato> ooh... X not working is really bad...
[04:49] <Jucato> specially for average joe... they tend to panic once they see the BSOH of Linux
[04:49] <imbrandon> if reconfigure doesnt work i come whinge on irc
[04:50] <Jucato> (black screen of hell)
[04:50] <mornfall> BSOH? :)
[04:50] <mornfall> CLOH ;-)
[04:50] <Jucato> we don't have a blue screen right?
[04:50] <mornfall> command line of hell
[04:50] <imbrandon> heh yea the cli
[04:50] <Jucato> that too :)
[04:50] <Tm_T> cli <3
[04:50] <mornfall> vga console pwns
[04:50] <imbrandon> blinking cursor not telling them what to do/type ;)
[04:50] <mornfall> people need to get off the wall
[04:50] <Jucato> but when X in kubuntu doesn't work, all they see at first is the usplash artwork. nothing more
[04:50] <mornfall> get brave
[04:51] <imbrandon> mornfall, hehe
[04:52] <Jucato> isn't there a way we could make the CLI appear if X doesn't work? instead of having them just stare at kwwi's artistic work?
[04:53] <imbrandon> in edgy it does ( new usplash )
[04:53] <Jucato> hm... ending 2 sentences with the same word just doesn't sound right...
[04:53] <Jucato> nice
[05:06] <nixternal> mornin'
[05:06] <jjesse> it's almost afternoon :)
[05:06] <Jucato> heh
[05:06] <nixternal> haha
[05:06] <Jucato> just about the right time for nixternal :)
[05:06] <nixternal> god i love being student again ;)
[05:07] <Jucato> hah
[05:07] <imbrandon>  /poke/ Riddell /poke/ ^^ topic ;)
[05:07] <Riddell> mm hmm?
[05:07] <Jucato> nice! released
[05:08] <imbrandon> [10:06]  <Mithrandir> once we have a couple of mirrors with the stuff, I'll send out the release announcement   [10:07]  <Mithrandir> edgy is frozen until somebody who has a small duckie thaws it, though. :-P
[05:09] <imbrandon> that mean still no uploads to main ?
[05:09] <imbrandon> heya mez ;)
[05:09] <mez> hey - anyone here runnning amarok >=1.4.2 /
[05:09] <jjesse> is that the latest?
[05:10] <imbrandon> Mez, no most ( edgy is on 1.4.3 )
[05:10] <Mez> imbrndon, that'll do .. :D
[05:10] <imbrandon> ohhh >= yea
[05:10] <Mez> can you help me out a lil ?
[05:10] <imbrandon> i can try ;)
[05:10] <imbrandon> i have some amarok fixes to upload anyhow
[05:10] <imbrandon> here in a few
[05:11] <Mez> imbrandon: just want to test something with dcop ;)
[05:11] <Tm_T> Mez: I have latest from svn
[05:11] <Mez> I just need someone to open a console and then type this
[05:11] <Tm_T> yes?
[05:12] <imbrandon> i assume you want amarok running
[05:13] <Jucato> imbrandon: so it would be quite useless for me to continue downloading the 20060915 build?
[05:13] <imbrandon> Jucato, of ?
[05:13] <Jucato> Edgy
[05:13] <imbrandon> heh it should be the same thing
[05:14] <Mez> replacing ARTIST with the name of an artist you know you have
[05:14] <Jucato> ah good to hear :)
[05:14] <Mez> dcop amarok collection query "SELECT a.name, t.title, t.url, i.path, album.name FROM tags t, artist a, album LEFT JOIN statistics s ON t.url = s.url LEFT JOIN images i ON (a.name = i.artist AND album.name = i.album) WHERE t.album album.id AND t.artist = a.id AND (t.title LIKE \"\%ARTIST\%\")
[05:14] <Mez> "
[05:14] <Mez> ;)
[05:14] <imbrandon> brandon@voyager:~/files/devel/revu$ dcop amarok collection query "SELECT a.name, t.title, t.url, i.path, album.name FROM tags t, artist a, album LEFT JOIN statistics s ON t.url = s.url LEFT JOIN images i ON (a.name = i.artist AND album.name = i.album) WHERE t.album album.id AND t.artist = a.id AND (t.title LIKE \"\%Nelly\%\")"
[05:14] <imbrandon> brandon@voyager:~/files/devel/revu$   
[05:15] <imbrandon> get nothing
[05:15] <Mez> imbrandon, you using MYSQL ? or SQLITE?
[05:15] <imbrandon> umm default so i giess sqlite
[05:15] <imbrandon> guess*
[05:16] <Mez> dcop amarok collection query SELECT url from tags LIMIT 1,1
[05:16] <Mez> try that
[05:16] <imbrandon> arguments do not match
[05:16] <Mez> sorry
[05:16] <Mez> dcop amarok collection query "SELECT url FROM tags LIMIT 1,1"
[05:16] <imbrandon> brandon@voyager:~/files/devel/revu$ dcop amarok collection query "SELECT url FROM tags LIMIT 1,1"
[05:16] <imbrandon> ./media/server/brandon/audio/Everclear - AM Radio.mp3
[05:16] <imbrandon> brandon@voyager:~/files/devel/revu$    
[05:17] <imbrandon> one sec lemme grab a soda
[05:17] <Mez> cool ... and your stuff is held in /media/server I presume ?
[05:17] <imbrandon> yup yup
[05:18] <imbrandon> its a nfs share
[05:20] <imbrandon> heya apokryphos
[05:21] <imbrandon> Mez, what ya playin with ? just curious ;)
[05:22] <apokryphos> hiya
[05:22] <imbrandon> woot looks like main is un-thawed, waiting on conformation though ( thats just what i seen from -changes ML )
[05:22] <imbrandon> Riddell, ^
[05:22] <Tm_T> this is interesting...
[05:22] <Tm_T> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23524
[05:23] <imbrandon> Tm_T, whats your sources.list look like
[05:24] <Tm_T> imbrandon: it looks good thank you ;)
[05:25] <Tm_T> I'll come back later :/ ->
[05:28] <Tonio_> Tm_T: urgh ! I can't reproduce here...
[05:30] <jeroenvrp> imbrandon: doesnt help
[05:30] <jeroenvrp> anywau, I know the workaround, so hopefully it will be resolved
[05:32] <jeroenvrp> another question: how to disable the power manager app in my systray during bootup?
[05:34] <Tonio_> hum looks like knot3 is really about to come hehe :)
[05:35] <Tonio_> jeroenvrp: rm /usr/share/autostart/guidance-power-manager
[05:35] <toma> Tonio_: you mean making kipi a dependency for digikam?
[05:35] <Tonio_> jeroenvrp: there us no other way at the moment
[05:35] <Tonio_> toma: nope, I mean kipi a dependency of kubuntu-desktop
[05:35] <jeroenvrp> Tonio_: ok thanks
[05:35] <imbrandon> Tonio_, read the topic, knot3 released , main unthawed ;)
[05:36] <toma> Tonio_: is digikam/gwenview a dependency for that?
[05:36] <imbrandon> [10:34]  <imbrandon> Mithrandir, main un-thawed ? 
[05:36] <imbrandon> [10:34]  <Mithrandir> imbrandon: 17:19 < Keybuk> Mithrandir: thawed (via malcc)
[05:36] <imbrandon> [10:34]  <Mithrandir> imbrandon: so yes.
[05:36] <Tonio_> it is only suggested for digikam and gwenview, but it would be nice that kubuntu has the plugins by default
[05:36] <jeroenvrp> :-)
[05:36] <Tonio_> imbrandon we can upload ?
[05:36] <jeroenvrp> falshplugin-nonfree as a service?
[05:36] <imbrandon> yup as of 5 minutes ago
[05:37] <Tonio_> toma: isn't that clear ? I don't understand why this is so confusing ;)
[05:37] <toma> Tonio_: because i'm tired probably
[05:37] <Tonio_> I just would like to have kipi-plugins the same way we have gwenview or kate :)
[05:37] <toma> k
[05:37] <Tonio_> imbrandon okay let's go with uploads !
[05:39] <imbrandon> Tonio_, yup yup i'm doing one last lookover amarok then up it go's
[05:39] <Tonio_> imbrandon, wait !
[05:40] <Tonio_> I have an amarok upload to perform :)
[05:40] <imbrandon> ?
[05:40] <Tonio_> imbrandon already launched
[05:40] <Tonio_> imbrandon, I improved the install-mp3 script....
[05:40] <imbrandon> Tonio_, ouch , ok i have a patch from upstream and some lib changes
[05:40] <Tonio_> imbrandon can you wait for my upload to get in before uploading ?
[05:40] <Tonio_> imbrandon well take my package to make yours ;)  my package is already gone
[05:41] <imbrandon> heh , ok
[05:41] <Tonio_> imbrandon sorry I should have told you before
[05:41] <imbrandon> hey send me a diff so i dont have to wait on the buildd's
[05:41] <Tonio_> imbrandon my version is 0ubuntu3
[05:41] <Tonio_> imbrandon sure
[05:41] <imbrandon> yea run debdiff *.dsc > blah.debdiff
[05:42] <imbrandon> on ubuntu2 and ubuntu3
[05:42] <imbrandon> then i can make mine ubuntu4
[05:43] <Tonio_> imbrandon http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/10
[05:43] <imbrandon> thanks 
[05:44] <Tonio_> imbrandon heh, I know how to make a debdiff, please ! ;)
[05:44] <imbrandon> hahah yea , sorry, i'm used to dealing with those that cant
[05:45] <Tonio_> I'm happy with my paste script hehe :) I couldn't stand to wait that long with pastebin or paste.ubuntu-nl
[05:48] <Tonio_> imbrandon I assume it'll rain updates in the next ours :)
[05:48] <imbrandon> hehe yea
[05:48] <imbrandon> thats why i dident wanna wait on the buildd's
[05:48] <Tonio_> imbrandon sure :)
[05:49] <imbrandon> hrm
[05:49] <Tonio_> imbrandon can you rename the other connection ? changing nick to _imbrandon maybe ;)
[05:49] <imbrandon> brandon@voyager:~/files/devel/amarok$ patch -p0 <tonio.diff
[05:49] <imbrandon> patch: **** Only garbage was found in the patch input.
[05:49] <Tonio_> using tab with your nick is a pain :)
[05:49] <imbrandon> ;)
[05:49] <Tonio_> imbrandon ah ;)
[05:49] <Tonio_> euh ? what's that shit ?
[05:49] <imbrandon> no idea
[05:50] <imbrandon> ahh i know why
[05:50] <Tonio_> why ?
[05:50] <imbrandon> fskin line wraps on the pastebin
[05:50] <Tonio_> fskin ?
[05:50] <Tonio_> imbrandon didn't you 'download' the paste ?
[05:50] <Tonio_> there is an option for this, no need to copy/paste :)
[05:50] <imbrandon> ahh lol
[05:51] <imbrandon> dident see that
[05:51] <Tonio_> hehe :)
[06:01] <kozz> is there any mirror for cdimage.ubuntu.com?
[06:02] <kozz> with the edgy releases that is
[06:05] <Riddell> kozz: no
[06:07] <kozz> ok :(, will have to use the torrents then even if they are slow too
[06:07] <kozz> thanks anyway
[06:08] <imbrandon> nixternal, you can ask in here too for kde packages and revu url is easier for me personaly 
[06:08] <nixternal> k
[06:08] <imbrandon> i'll look after i finish this amarok upload ;)
[06:08] <nixternal> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3139
[06:09] <nixternal> it built fine here, and installed and work, so that is good...i fixed it for 3.7.2 & got the correct versioning down with 0.4.4-0ubuntu1 on it
[06:10] <imbrandon> i wished dput woudl show you how fast soemthing is uploading heh
[06:10] <imbrandon> wb mez
[06:10] <mez> ty
[06:11] <nixternal> imbrandon: it can, you just have to program that in ;)
[06:12] <Tonio_> nixternal: reviewing
[06:12] <nixternal> thx Tonio_, just come right out and say i suck if it is bad, i won't cry...well at least not a lot of tears ;)
[06:14] <Tonio_> nixternal: aren't you motu ?K
[06:14] <nixternal> heh...not even close
[06:14] <nixternal> i just started packaging
[06:14] <Tonio_> nixternal: ah..... :)
[06:14] <Tonio_> that's why you need reviewing for an update
[06:14] <abattoir> nixternal: did you get oem-config to work btw?
[06:15] <imbrandon> ahh shiznit
[06:15] <nixternal> i haven't played with it..but i will now
[06:15] <nixternal> i hate when he says "ahh shiznit"
[06:15] <abattoir> nixternal: i'm installing it right now
[06:15] <nixternal> k
[06:15] <nixternal> i need to get knot3 and seed it anyways
[06:15] <imbrandon> Uploading via ftp amarok_1.4.3-0ubuntu4.dsc: done.
[06:15] <imbrandon> Uploading via ftp amarok_1.4.3.orig.tar.gz: Error '(104, 'Connection reset by peer')' during ftp transfer of amarok_1.4.3.orig.tar.gz
[06:15] <imbrandon> GRRRRRRRRR
[06:15] <nixternal> ouch
[06:21] <Riddell> hmm?
[06:22] <Tonio_> nixternal: reviewed. needs cleaning a bit :)
[06:22] <nixternal> k
[06:22] <mez> Riddell: bug 60136
[06:22] <Jucato> hm.. ubotu?
[06:23] <mez> 12:22 -Ubugtu(n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu)- Error: Could not parse data returned by Malone: timed out
[06:23] <mez> @test
[06:23] <Tonio_> nixternal: look klibido package in edgy for an example of what I expect :)
[06:23] <Jucato> ah yes... the katapult-amarok bug :)
[06:24] <Jucato> "Katapult doesn't work with Amarok >= 1.4.2" https://launchpad.net/products/katapult/+bug/60136
[06:24] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 60136 in katapult "Katapult doesn't work with Amarok >= 1.4.2" [Critical,Confirmed]  
[06:24] <Tonio_> nixternal: and concerning "comment" if those are generic, like "a kde application" just remove them and give a correct english one, same for genericname
[06:24] <Tonio_> Jucato: what's this ??????
[06:24] <mez> the thing is, the way I see it  we have to detect the verion of amarok
[06:24] <Tm_T> back
[06:24] <Tm_T> I had to assemble tv and digibox
[06:25] <Tonio_> Jucato: it works here, I can load my albums
[06:25] <imbrandon> hrm i just started it with katapult
[06:25] <Tm_T> anyway
[06:25] <mez> imbrandon //
[06:25] <mez> ??
[06:26] <Jucato> is it a dapper only bug?
[06:26] <Jucato> kde bug  133030
[06:26] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 133030 in general "Katapult exporting malformed url to Amarok" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=133030
[06:26] <Tm_T> http://www.tm-travolta.net/temp/sources-list.txt my sources
[06:26] <mez> 12:22 -Ubugtu(n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu)- Error: Could not parse data returned by Malone: timed out
[06:29] <Tm_T> Tonio_: imbrandon: look, I can't see any problemmaker there
[06:30] <Tm_T> I also have problems while compiling kdebase (kicker)
[06:30] <Tm_T> but that's another story
[06:31] <imbrandon> yea looks fine to me
[06:32] <Tm_T> ok, so how's that funny build-dep :p
[06:37] <Tm_T> oh well, maybe my system is as fuzzy as me :p
[06:37] <Tm_T> cleaning room and system ->
[06:39] <beligum> I'm looking for an advocate for the ScreenKast and libinstrudeo packages in REVU...
[06:44] <Tonio_> Tm_T: try recreate your apt cache
[06:45] <Tonio_> Tm_T: sudo rm -rf /var/cache/apt/* && sudo mkdir -p /var/cache/apt/archives/partial/
[06:45] <Tonio_> It happened to me one, something funky with deps and that was apt cache
[06:48] <Tm_T> hmmh
[06:49] <Tm_T> we'll see
[06:59] <GNUrante> Hi
[06:59] <Tm_T> Tonio_: same
[07:00] <bddebian> Hello GNUrante
[07:00] <GNUrante> bddebian: hello! =)
[07:02] <nixternal> Tonio_: on that koverartist, what would i do for category?
[07:02] <nixternal> Qt;KDE;Multimedia
[07:09] <nixternal> imbrandon: does that sound right?   Qt;KDE;Multimedia
[07:10] <Tm_T> also libkonq4-dev is not in build-dependencies of kicker, weird
[07:12] <Tm_T> hmm, though, only unsermake install whined about it
[07:13] <Tonio_> nixternal: put "Qt:KDE;Utilities"
[07:13] <nixternal> thx
[07:13] <nixternal> GenericName=KoverArtist CD/DVD Cover Creator?
[07:13] <nixternal> i have no clue..cuz KoverArtist is about as generic as you could get
[07:14] <nixternal> everywhere I look, name=KoverArtists and thats it
[07:16] <nixternal> duh..after looking at the klibido patch you created, it makes sense now ;)
[07:16] <nixternal> GenericName=CD/DVD Cover Creator
[07:16] <Jucato> there's a "klibido" package?
[07:17] <Jucato> O_O
[07:17] <danimo> yepp
[07:17] <nixternal> yup
[07:17] <nixternal> Tonio_ maintains it, and i am using it for inspiration ;)
[07:17] <danimo> newsgroup reader specialized on binary newsgroups
[07:17] <danimo> go figure
[07:17] <Jucato> heh just doesn't sound right :P
[07:27] <nixternal> ok..the only thing killing me is a pot.patch
[07:27] <nixternal> heh, is that like a "stop smoking" patch?
[07:28] <imbrandon> translation template file patch
[07:28] <imbrandon> okies i'm off to sleep yall
[07:28] <nixternal> nite
[07:28] <imbrandon> gnight
[07:28] <nixternal> afternoon actually
[07:29] <nixternal> is it "legal" to take the    'Copyright (C) 2006 Mainter/Developer <email>'  Information and apply it to the copyright?  is that "ethical" i guess?
[07:29] <imbrandon> Riddell, i got the amarok libnjb thing rockin and uploaded ( and its promoted to main ) , i'll finish up the ipodslave stuff from suse when i wake
[07:29] <nixternal> take it from README and apply it to copyright
[07:39] <nixternal> uploaded new to revu
[07:47] <Tm_T> meh, I have a font issue
[07:49] <Tonio_> Jucato: yes there is one for month :)
[07:50] <Tonio_> Jucato: this isn't sexual application :)
[07:50] <Jucato> heh
[07:50] <Tonio_> Jucato: what is surprising in having a package for that ?
[07:50] <Jucato> nothing... the name just sounded... um... :)
[07:51] <Dace> should the partitioning part of the livecd installer of knot3 work?
[07:51] <Tonio_> Jucato: yes, I understand :)
[07:51] <Tonio_> nixternal: for genericname, use something short, since it appears in kmenu
[07:52] <seaLne> weird konq is still identifying its self as dapper in edgy
[07:52] <Tonio_> CD/DVD Cover Creator is nice
[07:52] <seaLne> Riddell: ^^ any ideas?
[07:52] <Tonio_> comment[]  can be longer
[07:52] <seaLne> or of course anyone else, is it hard coded?
[07:52] <nixternal> k Tonio_, i reup'd to revu, the only thing i didn't do was the translation string patch, as that was a tad bit over my head ;)
[07:52] <Tonio_> nixternal: Qt;KDE;Multimedia... makes sense indeed, better than utilities
[07:52] <nixternal> doh
[07:53] <nixternal> thats an easy fix..no biggy
[07:53] <Tonio_> nixternal: great ;)
[07:53] <Tonio_> I'll revu later, since girlfriend is at home, I can't sleep in front of the computer hehe :)
[07:54] <Tonio_> nixternal: probably revuing toonight arround 1
[07:54] <Tonio_> 12
[07:54] <nixternal> no problem
[07:54] <nixternal> im doing some more packaging now..so im in no rush ;)
[07:54] <Tonio_> nixternal: your packaging is nice, you just need to learn the little polishing that makes it cleaner ;)
[07:55] <Tonio_> desktop files are generally howfull, I alwaus patch them...
[07:55] <nixternal> thanks...ya, i noticed how clean klibido was
[07:56] <Tonio_> awfull... sorry for the bad english ;)
[07:57] <nixternal> i understood it :)
[07:57] <nixternal> you are good
[07:57] <Tonio_> nixternal: could be better... was better a few years ago...
[08:00] <_Sime_> is Python 2.5 in edgy?
[08:00] <Dace> should the GUI installer in desktop cd of knot3 be in usable state?
[08:05] <seaLne> it should
[08:10] <Tm_T> how I can disable that power manager thing
[08:12] <Dace> ok. for me it just automatically says "The resize operation is impossible" when entering the Prepare disk space, even though i haven't selected that option. and when i select "Manually edit partition table", i just get the "busy" mouse pointer nothing happens.
[08:17] <Dace> i guess i'll need to get the alternate install cd then
[08:40] <jdong> Tm_T: guidance power manager?
[08:40] <Tm_T> hmm, I think that's it
[08:40] <Tm_T> I uninstalled whole guidance
[08:41] <jdong> removing the desktop file from /usr/share/autostart helps :)
[08:41] <Tm_T> aah
[08:41] <Jucato> :)
[08:41] <Jucato> or even just hiding it :)
[08:41] <Tm_T> well, what good does guidance offer to desktop machine? old-style tower
[08:42] <Jucato> hm....
[08:42] <jdong> but will keep his mouth shut
[08:42] <jdong> fine, he'll say it....
[08:42] <Jucato> lol
[08:43] <jdong> "it's a sad day when your GNOME counterpart shows 10 times more information"
[08:46] <jdong> whoa! firefox 2.0b2 in repositories :)
[08:46] <jdong> and it looks like md root has been fixed, too
[09:06] <Tonio_> re
[09:06] <Tonio_> I have to flash my girlfriend's laptop, but acer only provides winflash stuff....
[09:06] <Tonio_> any one knows a trick to workarround this ?
[09:06] <Tonio_> I'm a bit affraid using winflash with wine :)
[09:08] <jdong> Tonio_: winflash and wine is bad :)
[09:08] <jdong> Tonio_: there should be a dos based flasher
[09:08] <jdong> put that onto freedos and a bootable CD
[09:08] <jdong> at least acer provides the dos tool for my laptop
[09:11] <Lure> Tonio_: same with HP - I hate this! What do they expect that I will have small Windows? Or a floppy?
[09:11] <Tonio_> Lure: can use bartpe cd probably....
[09:11] <Tonio_> that full windows compatible
[09:11] <jdong> Lure: try a CD
[09:12] <jdong> god, why is my pbuilder agonizingly slow
[09:12] <jdong> at testing dependencies
[09:12] <jdong> apt-get using 100% CPU
[09:12] <Lure> jdong: you can dump floppy image to CD? I doubt it as it is different sector size
[09:12] <jdong> Lure: yeah, you can put a floppy image onto a cd... that's how bootable cd's work
[09:12] <Lure> jdong: will need to look into this...
[09:12] <jdong> you can stick a floppy image up to 2.88MB as the bootable image
[09:13] <jdong> cdrecord's man page should be enlightening
[09:13] <jdong> or you can use k3b to do all the magic :)
[09:14] <Lure> jdong: thanks for info - would help to have latest BIOS
[09:14] <jdong> np :)
[09:33] <Lure> Riddell: ping
[09:41] <nixternal> say i have a package, and its version# is 1.2.3.4       would this translate to  (1.2.3.4-0ubuntu1)
[11:07] <GNUrante> Hi
[11:41] <trappist> anyone know what creates ~/.qt?  It's root-owned on my box somehow, and I tracked that down in my investigation of some mysterious bugs.  I'd love to figure out how it got to be root-owned.
[11:49] <fdoving> i guess that depends on what uses it first? 
[11:50] <fdoving> i have atleast 3 programs using files in .qt/ 
[11:51] <fdoving> that's vym, kmp, kphone and qtdesigner of course.
[11:51] <fdoving> and actually fwbuilder too.
[11:51] <fdoving> and some of the styles.
[11:51] <fdoving> polyester and baghira
[11:58] <mornfall> trappist: are you sure you didn't do some sort of sudo <qt/kde app>?
[11:59] <mornfall> no matter how big bug you have in an app, when it's running as normal user it can't create root-owned dirs