=== ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === geser [n=michael@dialin109066.justdsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sistpoty [n=sistpoty@ubuntu/member/sistpoty] has joined #ubuntu-devel === FliesLikeALap [n=Ryan@apricot-05.dynamic2.rpi.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@203.23.49.35] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-66-110.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Tonio__ [n=tonio@41.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:33] Kamion | mdz: what's the current procedure to get an universe package into dapper-updates? [12:33] sistpoty: it's being written, due out tomorrow [12:34] will be on -devel-announce when it's done [12:34] mdz: ok, thanks === micahcowan [n=micahcow@69.36.252.2] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === Mirrad1 [n=Mirrado@20150042254.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mirrad1 [n=Mirrado@20150042254.user.veloxzone.com.br] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [12:40] hmm, no knot3 ? === Arador [n=dcg@80.103.6.68] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono [n=jono@88-107-5-110.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nictuku [n=yves@ubuntu/member/nictuku] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:43] ogra: i can upload right? [12:43] ogra: and it will just be held [12:44] right [12:44] ok === TomB| [n=ownthebo@ACD7878F.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mbiebl [n=michael@dslb-084-057-236-054.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fjodor [n=sune@0x55510b65.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === beuno [n=martin@200.127.179.37] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mbiebl [n=michael@dslb-084-057-236-054.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:57] mdz: ping [01:58] zul: pong [01:58] I was just trying out your Xen howto [01:58] and? [01:58] still needs some work i think === Tonio_ [n=tonio@41.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@72.169.114.90] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:06] and I've made some edits you may want to review [02:07] sure no problems...the kernels in the /boot directory are named that way because of kernel-package === mbiebl [n=michael@dslb-084-057-236-054.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:08] zul: is there a generic Xen howto you can link to which picks up where yours leaves off? [02:09] yes debian-administration site [02:09] http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/396 [02:10] as well im working on the restricted modues, meta-xen, and a domU kernel as well [02:10] zul: that would be a good link to add to the end of your wiki page [02:11] ok === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:12] mdz: there is a git repository as well hosted by olpc i could send you the url if you wish [02:13] Howdy folks [02:13] as well Mithrandir has been contributing some patches [02:15] http://dev.laptop.org/git.do?p=projects/ubuntu-xen;a=summary fyi === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:16] zul: I contributed a "what the hell were you thinking taking on xen packaging" a few times, don't I get some credit? :) [02:16] BenC: yeah you did, and now i lost hair because of it :) [02:17] heh, I wonder how BenC can keep all that hair sometimes [02:17] I hear working on archive maint is cake work, so do that for awhile ;) [02:18] no thats ok, im crazy enough [02:31] Kamion: ping === Tonio__ [n=tonio@112.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === blahrus [n=blahrus@pool-71-113-166-121.frstil.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Znarl [n=karl@bb-82-108-14-161.ukonline.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@125.212.21.68] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === terlmann [n=terlmann@207.254.166-wireless-21.ckt.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:49] i have a major ubuntu ptoblem! i tried to run msudo nautilus as user terlmann but the thing ran as "hal" and now my screen is whacked out,the bottom menu are 3 inches from the bottom of the screen,and the mouse pointer has to locate 1 inch BELOW the dialog i wanna click... has anyone got a solution? [02:49] HELP !! [02:49] terlmann: this is not a support forum; this channel is for developers of ubuntu. Please try #ubuntu or another support method instead === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:50] but i need developer strength formula,real programmer support! === terlmann [n=terlmann@207.254.166-wireless-21.ckt.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === jack_wyt [n=jack@221.221.163.246] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:21] <+FirefoxKal> Bluefox: the poor asian language support in linux is bad :\ [03:21] o.O [03:21] he's using knot2 now [03:21] I thought there was good hongkongese support [03:21] doko: ecj-bootstrap-gcj doesn't want to run postinst in the buildd chroots :/ http://librarian.launchpad.net/4209912/buildlog_ubuntu-edgy-i386.ikvm_0.26.0.1-2ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [03:21] doko: you around? [03:41] folks why doesnt ubuntu features the dgb info for image magick? [03:42] Frederick: As I told you earlier today, all Ubuntu and Debian packages strip their binaries to conserve space on the archives :-) [03:43] aww man, sourceforge is up but the project web server is down, what the ass [03:46] bluefoxicy: if you want to get to a download page, you can do so with sourceforge.net/projects/ [03:46] sistpoty: I want to finish my web page before the deadline. [03:46] I don't want to have to adjust the time on my project [03:46] he, well can't help you there then ;) === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:50] sistpoty: can you help me by somehow getting OLPC to give me an OLPC? ;) [03:50] (they're not for sale normally-- though I think they're not yet finished) [03:51] bluefoxicy: magic is beyond my abilities ;) [03:51] heh. I wish i had money when they were running the pledge [03:51] they were selling them, you could plegde $300 for a unit, and the other $200 bought 2 more for poor people [03:52] which is a good deal [03:53] there's an Ubuntu OLPC spec somewhere too, which I'd like to be able to test out; plus it'd be a cheap and easy to carry around internet/IRC connection, since it's got full wifi :D (hey I can't be all charity) [03:54] bluefoxicy: we were certainly *not* selling them. [03:54] neuralis: lemme see if I can dig it up. [03:55] bluefoxicy: the pledging was an unofficial pledgebank petition. [03:55] neuralis: oh, ivan - never made the connection between you and your nick :) === Tonio_ [n=tonio@192.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:55] neuralis: AH! I didn't know it was unofficial, damn slashdot. === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:55] bddebian, but then I cant debug my files and there should be a package wich holds debug info =/ [03:56] Frederick: Sure you can, you just need to build unstripped packages :-) [03:56] neuralis: I've actually considered the prospect of enhancing primary education in developed countries with the same technologies; we're certainly not going to hand out $1200 laptops to American children for first grade math [03:56] jdub: no worries, it just means my nick joins the ranks of kam ion, key buk, infi nity, mith randir, etc. spaces inserted to protect the innocent from their irc client beeping ;) [03:56] But it looks like that angle isn't going to be aimed at either. [03:57] bddebian, apt is suspended =/ [03:57] bluefoxicy: it is. we're not at all restricted to the third world, nor were we ever supposed to be. we're just starting there. [03:57] Frederick: Still? [03:57] neuralis: ha ha ha [03:58] yep [03:58] why don't they simply block the package? [03:58] neuralis: ah cool. Any plans to up the ante in the first world? [04:00] bluefoxicy: google 'romney olpc' [04:00] bddebian: no linda issue on gaim-libnotify for me... :/ [04:00] oops wrong channel [04:01] sistpoty: Yeah, don't talk to me in here.. ;-P [04:01] hehe === YokoZar [n=scott@c-71-197-86-67.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:02] $150-$300 per unit in the first world would supply a sizeable profit.. 37.9 million primary schoolers... divide by 5... about 7 million.. $350 million profits at $150 ... America would fetch enough to pay for 3,500000 units in the third world, per year === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:02] (I am an EVIL economist) [04:02] neuralis: will do [04:03] Is it a good idea to put lone virtual packages in the build depends, eg libcupsys-dev? [04:03] Mitt Romney? [04:04] YokoZar: unless lp can cope with it now: no, you should resolve it to a real package [04:04] lp? [04:05] YokoZar: launchpad (soyuz to be more specific) [04:05] I was more worried about apt-get build-dep myself === jlj [n=agp@adsl-69-104-142-228.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:07] no idea about that really... but if you're talking about a package in the archive, it first needs to get through soyuz ;) === Huahua [n=hua_@122.0.230.18] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.5.134.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === beuno [n=martin@200.127.179.37] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mbiebl [n=michael@dslb-084-056-232-022.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:35] YokoZar: You should always specify a preferred alternate. [04:35] mdz: do you mind if I mention https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bug57153IncidentReport in UWN 14 (due out on Sat.) [04:36] mdz: if you want me to leave it out until next week, I will [04:36] YokoZar: So, "Build-Depends: libcupsys2-dev | libcupsys-dev" [04:36] infinity: yeah, thanks [04:36] is apt still blocked? === wasabi [n=wasabi@ubuntu/member/wasabi] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:44] quick question: should the libtool information (*.la) be shipped in a -dev package? [04:45] (for reference: comments on http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3126) === YokoZar [n=scott@c-71-197-86-67.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [04:52] sistpoty: Guess they are all asleep? :-) [04:53] or busy ;) [04:53] but I think your assumption is more likely [04:54] Never count on anything from my dumb ass :-) [04:55] :P === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Frederick [n=icechat5@unaffiliated/frederick] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:10] I'm going to guess that the earlier incident prevented knot 3 from being released [05:11] SEJeff is apt back? [05:11] there was an incident? === LaserJock needs to pay attention more apparently [05:12] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bug57153IncidentReport [05:12] afaik that was august [05:12] 21 22 [05:13] nothing much to do with knot 3 [05:13] imbrandon: Read the completion date [05:13] Completion date: Friday, 15 September 2006 [05:13] I don't see the correlation, but ... [05:13] I don't think it has anything to do with knot 3, but I could be utterly wrong :-) [05:13] i still dont see how that has to do with knot 3 , and afaik its not delayed just not released [05:14] BenC was working all morning on a new l-r-m and bumped up the kernel abi [05:14] btw moins LaserJock ;) [05:14] that was the fix that bug [05:14] imbrandon: hola [05:15] SEJeff, well i dont think that had alot to do with it either but i could be wrong, best case if your dieing to know is wait a few hours ( morning EU time ) and ask [05:15] just my 0.2c [05:16] imbrandon: I've got specto watching http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/edgy/, it will tell me when. Thanks === FliesLikeALap [n=Ryan@cpe-72-224-116-131.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdeslaur [n=mdeslaur@modemcable196.26-203-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Frederick [n=Frederic@unaffiliated/frederick] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _stefan_ [n=sistpoty@DSL01.83.171.185.245.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Tonio__ [n=tonio@233.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:45] morning guys [05:49] morning fabbione [05:54] Hello fabbione, Burgundavia [05:54] hello [05:55] Hi again jsgotangco :-) === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-120-239-162.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-devel.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Ubuntu Development (not support, even with edgy) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | 6.06.1 released | Main frozen for knot 3 === Topic (#ubuntu-devel): set by pitti at Thu Sep 14 21:49:08 2006 [06:03] ajmitch; ping === mempf [n=mempf@S0106000129f69144.vs.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lynn [n=lynn@d207-216-249-161.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === archaios_ [n=chris@67.170.44.225] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:09] hi - a quick question - during the install I filled in the blanks and after the reboot my user and pass aren't recognized........is the default for these?..........I installed ubuntu alternative [06:12] it should be what it asked you durring the install [06:12] there is no way to recover or reset it that i know of [06:12] check you caps lock etc [06:12] and for future ref try #ubuntu this is the dev channel ;) [06:20] tried all that .............:( [06:22] desrt: yes? [06:22] ajmitch; can you upload your updated libcm? [06:22] sure, I'll dig it out sometime tonight [06:23] ajmitch; update spiftacity too while you're at it, since it'll be able to build again with the new libcm :) [06:23] you'll make a lot of people happy [06:23] yeah, I was doing that at one point [06:24] breaking metacity to produce a spiftacity package is a little more work, I had it done for 2.15.x [06:24] & then dholbach & seb kept on updating metacity on me :) [06:26] excellent, local conflicts in libcm checkout === ajmitch fixes === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AlinuxOS [n=alinux@d81-211-217-40.cust.tele2.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack_ [n=rudi@p508D88B1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === administrator is now known as Administrator [06:37] mdz: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyEft/Knot3 any thoughts? [06:43] Burgundavia; needs more beavers [06:44] desrt: umm.... ??? [06:46] Burgundavia; the arabic screenshot looks bad as it is [06:46] Burgundavia; i'd either get rid of it or move it to the front [06:46] Burgundavia; i don't realise that arabic is RTL and i look at the menubars of oo.o and gimp and say "oh. blank spaces. maybe they haven't finished the translating yet." [06:47] Burgundavia; if it was on top you could see the text [06:47] desrt, that's what I initially thought. [06:47] Then I realised it was probably RTL. [06:47] Burgundavia; also. gimp is active in the russian screenshot but none of the others [06:47] oh, right [06:47] desrt, true. [06:48] Also: This screenshot shows this new feature/ [06:48] given my gimp-foo sucks [06:48] also - fix your links.. i wanna read about upstart :) [06:50] right [06:50] also -- if knot3 is gonna release soon you should probably make sure a new openoffice upload has been completed :) [06:50] but that's not really your job [06:50] no, it is not, thankfully [06:50] well, bug someone :) [06:51] doko: ping [06:51] desrt: I just did [06:51] 100% of the time crash-on-save in the office suite is a pretty big eyesore in a prerelease :) [06:54] desrt: actually, it is only crash when save-as, not save [06:55] Burgundavia; well.. save new document -> save as [06:55] yes, like I said, any sort of save as [06:55] purely saving an existing document works [06:55] i suspect it's actually any time the file chooser shows [06:55] so it might happen on open too [06:56] OO.o so needs to die [06:56] it's a shame that abiword sucks [06:56] because i really really like abiword [06:56] so does FF, Gaim and GIMP [06:56] Kamion: I suspect the update-alternatives breakage in usplash is because the .so shipped by usplash is no longer a registered alternative. That seems to be a mistake. [06:56] ooo -> abi [06:56] ff -> ephy [06:56] gaim -> gossip [06:56] gimp -> ?!?!? [06:56] Kamion: Oh, cause it doesn't ship one anymore... [06:56] fspot [06:56] i'm afraid we'll have to disagree :) [06:56] desrt: you are right [06:57] the open dialog causes it crash as well [06:57] Kamion: Doubly a mistake, I guess. [06:57] Seveas: ? [06:57] ok. it is time for bed. [06:57] Burgundavia; congrats on the so-far-so-good release notes. have fun finishing them up. [06:57] cheers. [06:58] I don't know why Mozilla doesn't consider Ephy to be the Camino of Linux [06:59] Because it's crap? [06:59] +1 infinity. [07:01] infinity: Mozilla is crap as a platform? Mozilla is crap as a product? yes, I would agree [07:01] No, epiphany is crap as a browser. :) [07:01] now there we have to disagree [07:01] I use it daily along with firefox, and it irritates the piss out of me. [07:02] FF does that for me [07:02] Makes sense. :) [07:03] well your sanity has clearly boiled away in the sun down under [07:03] Uh... Silly North Americans, with little/no sanity :P === Fujitsu realises he's North American too.... [07:04] Fujitsu: Pot, kettle... [07:04] Burgundavia: ? [07:04] anybody else notice how the new battery notifications cover up your desktop switcher? [07:05] Fujitsu: the pot calling the kettle black [07:05] Burgundavia, yes, I noticed that well over a month ago :P [07:05] Burgundavia, probably. [07:12] hmm, no Keybuk === CameronBergh [n=cameron@c-24-22-122-59.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === philwyett [n=philip@80-195-142-67.cable.ubr02.wiga.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === basanta [n=basanta@202.79.37.177] has joined #ubuntu-devel === buzzen [n=jools@82-70-241-14.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel === johanbr [n=j@d154-20-236-61.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kagou [n=Kagou@84.5.147.153] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:12] update-grub now converts kopt=root=/dev/md0 into kopt=root=UUID=(uuid of filesystem). this does not seem to work on my raid device. how can I disable this ? [08:13] feels like a bug to me [08:13] (or untested with raid) [08:14] buzzen: known and fixed bug [08:14] the new mdadm that handles that is waiting knot-3 CD to be out to be unleashed in the archive [08:14] a fix exists and it's there.. [08:14] ok thanks === madduck wonders what mdadm has to do with filesystem labels. [08:15] buzzen: i assume that it won't be long (max 24 hours) before it will be there [08:15] if I remove the evms package, does it also disable all evms activation (also in initrd for example) [08:15] ? [08:15] buzzen: yes [08:16] madduck: the problem is udev/md interaction. md doesn't kick udev hard enough to create /dev/disks/by-uuid/symlinks... [08:16] madduck: so the fixed package does just that [08:16] ok thanks.. ive had enough of evms... it also seems to take over mdadm configured arrays without permission at times [08:16] that's why UUID is not there with the old one [08:16] fabbione: 2.5 works, btw. [08:16] 2.5 what? [08:16] mdadm :) === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:17] well i could ask for a UVF exception... [08:17] you don't want to do that at this stage, i think. [08:17] so new mdadm will also be in edgy soon 2.4.1 is rather old [08:17] ? [08:17] too many changes between 2.4.1-6 and 2.5.3.gitXXX-4 [08:18] 2.6.17 kernel + mdadm is more powerful than evms in some ways now. [08:18] with online reshaping.. [08:18] i noticed that is disabled in ubuntu kernels.. [08:20] sladen: that xorg space bar bug of yours is impressive. [08:21] buzzen: we are too close to release to import new versions from upstream. This one is known to work just fine. [08:22] referring to the 2.5.3 version? any 2.5.x is good enough [08:22] so thats ok [08:26] one thing thats bugging me. either im doing something wrong or. I created another raid device. and after a reboot, the new device (i called /dev/md1) has become /dev/md0 and my old one md1 [08:26] i thought using a mdadm.conf locked it down [08:27] is the mdadm.conf being used by update-initramfs ? === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:32] buzzen: no that's related only to the order in which devices are discovered. there is no locking in that regard. [08:32] it's a FIFO [08:32] the first raid that's discovered becomes md0 [08:32] and so on [08:32] oh. [08:32] if your second raid is discovered first, it will be md0 [08:33] I dont like the order though :-) [08:33] fabbione: is the initramfs/uuid/md stuff sorted now? [08:33] jdub: i have the package in the unaccepted due to knot-3 [08:33] but the fix is there and ready to be unleashed [08:33] fabbione: rock! [08:33] fabbione: i'll reboot my server as soon as the update goes thru :-) [08:34] fabbione: I guess I will have to live with it :-) So I shouldnt refer to them as /dev/md0 but using the UUID in the fstab for example ? [08:34] jdub: i did test it yesterday before publishing the fix [08:34] buzzen: that would be the best once the fix is in the archive yes.. [08:34] fabbione: incase a change in teh kernel alters the order etc. [08:34] exactly [08:34] more than in the kernel, i would say in your device chain [08:34] but you get the idea [08:35] would be handy to lock them down by uuid though.like you can with network devices and mac addresses [08:35] i need to go offline for 20 minutes [08:35] later [08:35] you can [08:35] how ? [08:35] it needs the fix that's waiting in the archive [08:35] aah ok :) [08:35] mount by UUID [08:35] that's the same thing that break root on raid at the moment [08:35] i really need to take off for 20 [08:35] later [08:35] cheers. === basanta [n=basanta@202.79.37.177] has joined #ubuntu-devel === giftnudel [n=mb@p54B2A549.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:47] fabbione: i am curious as to why thoe problems exist on Ubuntu. do you deal with RAID on configurations that change? === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@114.180-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:48] because otherwise, the order in which RAID arrays are assembled/detected is deterministic === jinty [n=jinty@132.Red-83-55-196.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:53] madduck: no the order is not deterministic. [08:53] the bug people are talking about is the mount of raid via UUID when it's mounted as / [08:54] fabbione: i remember reading about md driver getting support for saving raid resync progress so it can continue after a reboot. Don't suppose you know when this was added to the kernel ? [08:54] buzzen: i know it's there.. when it was introduced.. no idea [08:55] probably sometimes after .12 [08:55] do you know if it works for old 0.90 superblocks or just the new formnat ? [08:56] i nice big changelog for the md driver would be nice. guess that doesnt exist in one place.. [08:56] the format of the sb didn't change [08:56] fabbione: hm. right, ubuntu uses mdrun, which makes it non-deterministic [08:57] fabbione: you have 0.90 sb and 1.0 sb which is more flexible/newer [08:57] it has less restrictions.. [08:58] (supports more disks and more space for "expansion" etc) [09:00] but im not sure if there is "space" in the 0.90sb to sotre this resync "progress". certainly it doesnt seem to be on my system.. i didn't try with 1.0sb [09:01] buzzen: according to git the first patch to support partial resync did hit kernel last year in June === mokkel [n=km@101.80-203-71.nextgentel.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:02] and still according to other git entries, the sb format is updated by the running kernel when possible [09:02] and when required [09:02] so basically an old version-0.90 is upgraded to 0.91 or 1 when needed === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:03] ive not heard that before. but some of the superblocks are stored in different places ? [09:03] how could it handle that.. [09:03] Good morning [09:04] Mithrandir: ping [09:04] pitti: morning [09:04] buzzen: i am only reading git commit logs [09:04] buzzen: not the code [09:05] fabbione: yup. thanks :) [09:05] and reading an old sb and write to the new format is not rocket-science... [09:05] fabbione: the kernel md driver and mdadm is not documented as well as it could be.. === carlos [n=carlos@138.Red-81-39-35.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:05] fabbione: i wondered perhaps if there was data on that portion of the disk for example. but ok.. i dont know the details really [09:05] buzzen: patches are welcome [09:06] hey Burgundavia [09:06] no, there is no data after the sb === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-098-216.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:06] the sb is located at the end of the device [09:06] and it allocates a big chunk of disk to store data [09:06] fabbione: sb 1.1 is located at the beginning. [09:06] or 1.2 i forget [09:06] and there is space for extensions [09:07] either at the end (for 1.0), at the start (for 1.1) or 4K from the start (for [09:07] 1.2). [09:07] buzzen: nope.. the md superblock has always been in the same place since god created light [09:07] fabbione: then mdadm man is lying ? [09:07] * If x is the real device size in bytes, we return an apparent size of: [09:07] * [09:07] * y = (x & ~(MD_RESERVED_BYTES - 1)) - MD_RESERVED_BYTES [09:07] * [09:07] * and place the 4kB superblock at offset y. [09:07] */ [09:07] this is kernel code [09:08] see. you cant even trust the documentation then! :D [09:08] patches are welcome [09:08] :) [09:08] ill put thgat on my todo list [09:10] Burgundavia: hi [09:10] Mithrandir: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/knot3 is up, but should I leave the "not yet released" on the page? [09:11] issue is, I am about to go to sleep and so you would need to find somebody else to edit it if you release Knot 3 in the next 8 hours [09:11] Burgundavia: yes, please leave the not yet released. [09:11] ok, will do [09:11] thanks [09:12] you will need to find Matthew Nuzum or Heno to get it removed at the right time [09:12] Burgundavia: yeah, shouldn't be a problem. === Drops [n=mirc@145.253.116.155] has joined #ubuntu-devel === basanta [n=basanta@202.79.37.177] has joined #ubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=sebi@ppp-82-135-82-91.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:18] hey seb128 [09:18] hi pitti [09:21] how is knot-3 going? Current iso are good to play with? === basanta_ [n=basanta@202.79.37.177] has joined #ubuntu-devel === basanta [n=basanta@202.79.37.177] has joined #ubuntu-devel === basanta [n=basanta@202.79.37.177] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:36] doko_: around? [09:39] doko_: emacs has some functions where it passes a char * and a couple of extra parameters (which aren't in the parameter list of the called function), then try to access those extra parameters in the called function. This used to work (in dapper), but doesn't in edgy; is there a command line switch to revert to the old behaviour? [09:40] Mithrandir: probably is the stack-protector that's causing the segfault? [09:40] hmm, possibly. [09:41] try to build without [09:41] but the code in emacs needs fixing.. no matter [09:41] sure, it needs fixing, but I won't do that now. [09:42] oh i don't care either.. i don't use emacs [09:42] I use it bloody all the time, but I prefer it not to crash when I close an unsaved buffer. :-P [09:45] hooray, livefs-es seem to build properly this time. Let's just hope they're reasonably-sized. === mvo [n=egon@p54A6617D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === holzmodem [n=holzmode@dslb-084-060-203-172.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:48] mvo: what do you think of having apt-get grow a way of installing tasks? [09:49] Mithrandir: nice idea, I'm not sure how easy/hard this would be [09:50] mvo: we had to cowboy livecd.sh to use aptitude rather than apt-get yesterday, but I'd actually be more comfortable with apt-get since it doesn't have this idea of "a partial solution is better than no solution" and similar, which is annoying when you want things to fail if they can't be accomplished. [09:50] such as when you're building livefs-es. === thesaltydog [n=saltydog@ubuntu/member/thesaltydog] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thesaltydog [n=saltydog@ubuntu/member/thesaltydog] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] [09:51] Mithrandir: what was the problem with apt-get yesterday? [09:52] BenC: yes? [09:52] mvo: we had to switch to aptitude because of the recommends problem. That is, we probably wouldn't have to, but we ended up doing it. [09:52] SEJeff: the stuff Ben was working on was unrelated to the incident report you referred to [09:52] SEJeff: and said incident report was unrelated to Knot 3. The reason Knot 3 is delayed was because of a live filesystem build problem discovered yesterday morning that took a while to rectify. [09:53] fabbione: yup, it's the stack protector. [09:53] Mithrandir: score [09:53] infinity: alternative> yeah, could well be ... [09:54] Mithrandir: is the new apt recommends code buggy? is there a way for me to help debugging the problem? [09:54] mvo: no, it's fine now after the last upload you did. [09:54] Kamion: Well, removing the last alternative (as would happen on a usplash upgrade) leaves a danling link, which forces manual mode. [09:54] (afaik) [09:55] infinity: right [09:56] mvo: we didn't realise that (a) a suitable new apt was already there and (b) the LP patch to add the metapackages section had been applied [09:56] otherwise I'd just have changed the overrides [09:56] Kamion: aha, ok. sorry for this communication problem then :/ [09:57] nah, our fault [09:57] mvo: Anyhow, that particular series of events did bring Colin to wonder if *-live might be better off as a task instead of a metapackage, since it's only really used by the livecd build process. [09:58] mvo: And updating ubuntu-meta just to mangle the livecds is a pain. [09:58] Kamion: did you get the ubiquity patch from Riddell uploaded last night? [09:58] Mithrandir: yeah [09:58] mvo: But we'd prefer not to use aptitude, since it does sketchy things when it can't do what you ask it to, hence Tollef's request for apt to be able to install a task. [09:58] Kamion: thanks; I'll build kubuntu livefs-es too then === jono [n=jono@88-107-5-110.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:58] Mithrandir: ubiquity 1.1.18 [10:00] mvo: Alternately, I suppose, a new switch (aptitude --no-half-ass) to prevent it from trying half-assed solutions instead of just failing might be nice. :) [10:00] infinity, Mithrandir: ok, I have a look at the code in apt now [10:01] Mithrandir: are you satisfied with the alternate CDs, knot3-wise? [10:01] mvo: I don't care which interface we use (apt or aptitude) as long as it can both install tasks, and fail completely and painfully when it can't do precisely what you asked it to. [10:02] infinity: it's probably harder to get that into aptitude due to the scoring engine. [10:03] pitti: I'm been dug in with desktop CD bugs, but I think I am happy with alternate, yes. If the wiki would like to answer me this century, I could give you a definitive answer. === CameronBergh [n=cameron@c-67-168-234-249.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === CameronBergh [n=cameron@c-67-168-234-249.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [10:04] Mithrandir: so, today will be live CD testing, as soon as they finally appear? [10:04] is current desktop CD worth testing? or a new one will be rolled and better to wait for that one? === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@mailhost.newtec.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:05] morning everyone [10:06] pitti: from the reports on the wiki, it looks like alternate is ok. I need a couple of amd64 tests, but apart from that I'm happy. [10:06] Morning, zyga. [10:06] pitti: yes, live cds are building now. [10:06] seb128: ^ [10:06] cool [10:06] seb128: wait ten minutes or so [10:06] ok [10:08] *sigh* [10:08] we're oversized. [10:08] re [10:08] Kamion: we should be able to roll back to using apt-get, shouldn't we? [10:10] Mithrandir: yeah, if I make the metapackage section changes === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:11] Kamion: Well, you have until the next publisher run (we can do a by-hand run around :30 or :35..) === Spads [n=spacehob@217.205.109.249] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:12] hmm, -desktop for knot 2 didn't have evms, mdadm, etc. [10:12] nor did it have any of the python-* and random other bits. === mvo [n=egon@p54A6617D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:13] Err, when did mdadm get back in standard? [10:13] infinity: it's not? [10:13]