[01:28] <FireRabbit> hey there, what should be done when there are two pages with the same name on wiki.ubuntu.com and help.ubuntu.com/community, with different information?
[01:29] <LaserJock> ouch
[01:29] <Burgwork> FireRabbit, which pages?
[01:29] <FireRabbit> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HelpingWithBugs
[01:29] <Burgwork> let me see
[01:29] <FireRabbit> i dont really understand wiki.ubuntu.com's purpose anymore
[01:30] <Burgwork> it has development stuff and team stuff
[01:30] <Burgwork> anything that is not help
[01:30] <FireRabbit> okay
[01:30] <FireRabbit> so is this considered help?
[01:30] <Burgwork> okay, so in this case, I am going to redirect the help wiki one back to the main wiki
[01:30] <FireRabbit> okay
[01:31] <FireRabbit> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs in that case, this page should not link to the help one
[01:31] <FireRabbit> in fact, why is this page on help.ubuntu.com at all?
[01:31] <Burgwork> reporting bugs is a help page
[01:31] <Burgwork> helping with bugs is for developing ubuntu
[01:31] <FireRabbit> okay, fair enough
[01:32] <FireRabbit> would you like me to fix the link on there then?
[01:32] <Burgwork> already done
[01:32] <FireRabbit> ah, great
[01:32] <Burgwork> let the redirect catch it
[01:32] <FireRabbit> oh, ok, why not.
[01:34] <FireRabbit> thanks for taking care of that, i wasnt clear on the policy
[01:35] <Burgwork> no worries
[01:35] <Burgwork> in general, if it is help, it should be on help
[01:35] <FireRabbit> okay
[01:35] <Burgwork> if it isn't, it shoudl be on wiki
[01:35] <FireRabbit> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheRailsFCGI so this page should be moved
[01:35] <JoseStefan> what does "Trivial Change" mean on the wiki? is there a wiki guide?
[01:37] <FireRabbit> JoseStefan: I believe that's used to mark the difference between a lot of new content on the page, vs. simple spelling mistakes, etc.
[01:37] <LaserJock> JoseStefan: in a practical sense, it just means people aren't going to get email that you made the change
[01:37] <JoseStefan> thanks
[01:38] <Burgwork> FireRabbit, yes, move it and put a refresh in place
[01:38] <FireRabbit> okay
[01:38] <FireRabbit> is there some way to move it to the other website, rather than copying/pasting the markup?
[01:40] <Burgwork> FireRabbit, copy paste is currently the way
[01:41] <FireRabbit> ok. sucks that you loose the revision history.
[01:41] <Burgwork> sort of
[01:41] <Burgwork> the revision history is saved on the old page
[01:41] <FireRabbit> right
[01:44] <FireRabbit> uh, whats the markup to do a redirect?
[01:49] <Burgwork> #REFRESH 0 URL
[01:57] <FireRabbit> thanks much
[09:24] <fwahl> hi guys
[09:25] <fwahl> i wanted to ask if you need translators from german to english or the other way around...
[09:26] <jsgotangco> have you checked the german translation team in launchpad
[09:26] <fwahl> nope
[09:27] <jsgotangco> you can check it out there of the status for german translations
[09:27] <fwahl> https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-doc
[09:27] <fwahl> this launchpad?
[09:28] <jsgotangco> ahh that's the ubuntu-doc team
[09:28] <fwahl> i see
[09:29] <jsgotangco> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+lang/de
[09:29] <fwahl> thx
[09:29] <jsgotangco> cheers
[09:33] <fwahl> how can i get contact to that team?
[09:34] <jsgotangco> https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-l10n-de
[09:36] <fwahl> great.-...thx again#
[03:44] <Donk> hello
[03:45] <Donk> I think i have found a few errors in the serverguide
[03:46] <jjesse> hello
[03:46] <jjesse> did you check to see if there were bugs filled already for those errors?
[03:47] <jsgotangco> have a nice weekend ;)
[03:47] <jjesse> you to :)
[03:47] <jsgotangco> jjesse: im *sure* you are comming to mountain view ;)
[03:47] <Donk> yes, but i haven't seen anything
[03:48] <jjesse> you can either create new bugs in launchpad, or email the ubuntu-doc team (ubuntu-doc@lists.ubuntu.com) with the bugs
[03:49] <Donk> can i send a copy of the html page with the correction?
[03:50] <jsgotangco> Donk: well its in xml source, the HTML you see online is an automated published copy
[03:51] <jsgotangco> it would be better to send a bug report or a patch to the xml (if you know how to do it) so we could just let it publish itself
[03:51] <jsgotangco> a bug report would be better since it'll be noticed for sure, if not no today but in the coming days as well
[03:52] <Donk> what is the best way to indicate where are the mistake in the page
[03:53] <jsgotangco> just tell what section the mistake is located since the source is structured enough it can be spotted for sure
[03:55] <Donk> ok, i make a bug report
[03:57] <Donk> thank you
[04:19] <Donk> https://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-doc/+bug/60573
[04:19] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 60573 in ubuntu-doc "Errors in the Email Services section of the serverguide" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  
[04:24] <bhuvan> Donk: i'll take care of it
[04:25] <bhuvan> Donk: First two issues are taken care (yeah, i'll update in launchpad too). but could you please clarify "And the command "telnet localhost imap2" is not correctly strong"?
[04:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #60573 in ubuntu-doc "Errors in the Email Services section of the serverguide" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60573
[05:06] <nixternal> mornin'
[06:43] <LaserJock> :(
[06:43] <LaserJock> is anybody around?
[06:44] <trappist> sure
[06:44] <trappist> do I count?
[06:45] <LaserJock> sure
[06:45] <LaserJock> I'm a little uncertain of what's all going on with docs
[06:46] <LaserJock> and I'd like a doc freeze exception of a couple days for the packaging guide
[06:46] <LaserJock> I'm almost done cleaning it up
[06:46] <trappist> we're frozen?
[06:46] <LaserJock> I think so
[06:46] <trappist> I didn't see anything
[06:47] <LaserJock> well, that's the thing
[06:47] <LaserJock> with mdke gone it seems we are a bit chaotic :-)
[06:47] <LaserJock> yeah string freeze was the 14th
[06:51] <LaserJock> were you working on stuff?
[06:51] <trappist> yeah, but it may not be relevant to the string freeze (shouldn't affect translators).  Basically typo fixes and such.
[06:53] <LaserJock> well, this is the thing
[06:53] <LaserJock> I'm not sure when we are going to start translation
[06:53] <LaserJock> I wonder if we should ask mdz about moving the doc freeze until mdke is back
[06:54] <trappist> afaik there's not much point in a string freeze until we're ready to start translation
[06:55] <LaserJock> exactly
[06:56] <LaserJock> I also don't know if we were supposed to empliment the entitity change
[06:56] <LaserJock>  argg
[07:04] <nixternal> LaserJock: +1 on the moving it until mdke is back ;)
[07:04] <LaserJock> I just don't know what we're going to do
[07:04] <nixternal> im really not happy with the current "status" of some of the docs...as i think there needs to be some proofing done, as well as some changes/additions
[07:04] <nixternal> especially to anything dealing with "support"
[07:05] <nixternal> as that has totally changed from dapper > edgy
[07:05] <LaserJock> yeah, we haven't done much of any proofreading yet
[07:06] <LaserJock> Burgwork: ping?
[07:06] <LaserJock> I'm not sure how to procced
[07:06] <Burgwork> LaserJock, pong
[07:06] <trappist> I *know* it's not necessary to reboot for a hostname change.  I just know it.  any of you guys know how to make it stick, so I can fix this here doc?
[07:07] <LaserJock> Burgwork: do you think it would be possible to move the doc freeze until after matthew gets back?
[07:07] <Burgwork> need to ask the distro team, meaning matt
[07:07] <Burgwork> mdz, rather
[07:07] <LaserJock> k
[07:07] <LaserJock> Burgwork: would you be opposed?
[07:08] <Burgwork> nope
[07:08] <trappist> we should probably ask the translators
[07:08] <trappist> for all I know they're already hard at work
[07:08] <LaserJock> translation hasn't started yet thoug
[07:08] <LaserJock> I don't think
[07:08] <nixternal> no translation yet..they are waiting though
[07:08] <LaserJock> I don't know that anybody has put up .pots
[07:08] <nixternal> like a bunch of sharks in a feeding frenzy they are ;)
[07:08] <nixternal> no .pots yet
[07:08] <LaserJock> I don't even know who can
[07:16] <LaserJock> oh stink, it does look like some of the translators are antsy
[07:21] <LaserJock> anybody know when Matthew gets back?
[07:30] <Burgwork> one week or so?
[07:30] <LaserJock> ok, just got the ok from mdz for the 21st
[07:30] <LaserJock> that's beta freeze
[07:30] <trappist> sweet.
[07:31] <jjesse> 21st for doc freeze now?
[07:31] <LaserJock> yes
[07:32] <LaserJock> I'll email the list
[07:38] <nixternal> thank god!
[07:39] <nixternal> good job LaserJock! very much appreciated
[07:43] <jjesse> nixternal: have you gotten Riddell to review the release ntoes?
[07:43] <nixternal> not yet
[07:43] <jjesse> make sure that is done before doc freeze :)
[07:43] <nixternal> i think there needs to be a little bit more work with it maybe
[07:43] <nixternal> oh i will
[07:44] <jjesse> awesome, don't want a repeat of dapper releasee notes :(
[07:44] <LaserJock> no
[07:44] <LaserJock> ok, I sent out the email
[07:44] <LaserJock> I've got a meeting and have probably done enough damage for one day ;-)
[07:45] <jjesse> good :)
[07:55] <trappist> hey, how is 'xubuntu' pronounced?  that is, is it 'a xubuntu system' or 'an xubuntu system'
[07:56] <LaserJock> at Paris I heard it as zubuntu
[07:56] <LaserJock> so I say "a xubuntu system"
[07:59] <trappist> cool
[07:59] <trappist> I've been saying exubuntu
[08:15] <osg> I thought it was "exubuntu".
[08:15] <nixternal> i have heard it pronounced every which way imaginable
[08:16] <osg> What does the x stand for?
[08:16] <nixternal>  /zoo-BOON-too/ is correct
[08:16] <nixternal> Xfce
[08:18] <osg> It just seems really really that an x is pronounced as a z.
[08:18] <osg> odd, that is.
[08:19] <osg> But, it is not an English word, I presume.
[08:19] <jjesse> does it mean anything?
[08:20] <nixternal> Xerox
[08:20] <osg> "XForms Common Environment"
[08:20] <osg> Good example!
[08:20] <osg> :)
[08:21] <nixternal> hehe
[08:21] <osg> So, is that said "Zforms Common Environment"?
[08:21] <nixternal> Chicago == Xerox Capital ;)
[08:21] <osg> heh
[08:21] <jjesse> no does xubuntu mean anything/
[08:21] <nixternal> oh..not that i know of
[08:21] <nixternal> like kubuntu means towards humanit
[08:21] <nixternal> and what not
[08:22] <osg> https://help.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/desktopguide/C/introduction-chap.html
[08:22] <osg> The name Xubuntu indicates the combination of the Xfce Desktop Environment with Ubuntu. Xfce used to stand for "XForms Common Environment", but since it's not based on XForms anymore, does not mean anything today. Ubuntu means approximately "humanity towards others" in the languages of Zulu and Xhosa. Combined, it does not really mean anything.
[08:23] <osg> Maybe it would be good to add a pronunciation like (zoo-BOON-too) to the docs.  :)
[08:24] <jjesse> good idea
[08:24] <osg> The the correct article is a non-issue.  :)
[08:25] <jjesse> ii'm bored at work :(
[08:25] <osg> I think that I will get more involved with docs after this deadline occurs so that I can come up to speed on how its all done.
[08:26] <osg> Has it become easier to map the source files with the output files?
[08:26] <nixternal> osg, i will be awaiting your "pronunciation" patch ;)
[08:26] <osg> For example, 123.xml --> 123.xml
[08:27] <nixternal> actually...someone has been doing a lot of xubuntu commits recently
[08:27] <osg> nixternal, I would like to make changes, but I need a little more time figuring out where all the source files are that relate to the output files.
[08:27] <nixternal> maybe talk to them
[08:27] <nixternal> ya
[08:27] <nixternal> with kubuntu/kde it is easy to figure out the source files with khelpcenter
[08:27] <nixternal> oh wait
[08:27] <nixternal> if you look at the top of each page, you will see the source package name
[08:28] <nixternal> it is usually <centered>
[08:28] <nixternal> brb..showah powah time
[08:28] <osg> If I can really easily see blah.html needs a correction and go to blah.xml, I can work at blazing speed.
[08:29] <osg> If not, I tend to be an impatient person.  :)
[09:43] <nixternal> LaserJock: app version 1.2.3.4 > (1.2.3.4-0ubuntu1)    <- would that be correct for a new upstream?
[09:44] <LaserJock> it's not in Debian?
[09:44] <nixternal> not this version
[09:44] <LaserJock> then yeah
[09:44] <nixternal> just got released this wekk
[09:44] <nixternal> 1.2.3 would be in debian, as well as ubuntu, but not 1.2.3.4
[09:44] <nixternal> asking because of the lintian version warning
[09:45] <LaserJock> ah
[09:45] <LaserJock> usually lintian doesn't know about Ubuntu
[09:45] <LaserJock> it's like "WTH, what are you tryinng to do"
[09:46] <LaserJock> sometimes you just have to smack it around for a while ;-)
[09:47] <nixternal> native-package-with-dash-version
[09:47] <LaserJock> oh
[09:47] <nixternal> source-nmu-has-incorrect-version-number 1.5.1.4-0ubuntu1
[09:48] <LaserJock> well you probably are trying to build a native package, and that would be a problem
[09:49] <nixternal> interesting
[09:49] <nixternal> i found the issue
[09:49] <nixternal> a typo on my part with the version number
[09:51] <LaserJock> are you trying to build a native package?
[09:51] <nixternal> native as in?
[09:51] <nixternal> labplot
[09:51] <nixternal> that is the pkg
[09:52] <LaserJock> a native package has no .orig.tar.gz
[09:52] <LaserJock> the packaging is part of the source
[09:53] <nixternal> cp labplot-1.5.1.4.tar.gz labplot_1.5.1.4.orig.tar.gz
[09:53] <nixternal> but i accidentally did 1.4.1.orig.tar.gz
[09:53] <LaserJock> ah
[09:53] <nixternal> the hash part is fixed
[09:54] <nixternal> i get the typical changelog-should-mention-nmu & source-nmu-has-incorrect-version-number 1.5.1.4-0ubuntu1
[09:56] <nixternal> packaging is fun...i don't know why..but it is ;)
[09:56] <LaserJock> mhm