[12:06] <jenda> Burgwork: did you get those four locale screenshots you wanted from elkbuntu yet?
[12:08] <Burgwork> not yet
[12:08] <jenda> Right.
[12:09] <jenda> She had to go to sleep, and she passed the duty on to me...
[12:09] <jenda> and I had to run off before...
[12:09] <jenda> so I'm working on it now.
[12:09] <Burgwork> if you can't do it, I will play with it tonight
[12:09] <jenda> She found out that the artwork _is_ different than in Dapper, so it can't be cheated.
[12:09] <jenda> I'm currently looking for a volunteer in #ubuntu+1
[12:14] <Burgwork> right, I can do it on my edgy machine
[12:14] <Burgwork> if you want to go over the Knot3 page instead
[12:14] <jenda> You have one :)
[12:15] <jenda> linky?
[12:17] <jenda> nvm, got it.
[01:20] <jenda> I need to go to sleep. Sorry to have failed you there.
[01:20] <Burgwork> jenda, no worries
[01:21] <jenda> I'd like to know what you think about the DIY thing I mailed to the list. But no hurry, I'll be off for a week.
[01:21] <jenda> (unless I can read it in the morning)
[02:47] <john_little> anyone have a notebook recommendation?
[02:48] <Rinchen> if you buy an apple or IBM send me an email. I get discounts.
[02:48] <Rinchen> jjs@ubuntu.com
[02:49] <john_little> hows that work?
[02:55] <Rinchen> ibm I can give you a special userid and pw, apple it's a special webpage
[02:56] <popey> I have a Dell and I love it
[02:56] <popey> I borrowed a 17" MacBook Pro from Apple and didn't really get on with it
[03:15] <john_little> thinking about a toshiba 12"
[05:14] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, ping?
[05:15] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: pong
[05:16] <elkbuntu> sorry about the pics, do you still need them?
[05:16] <Burgundavia> for the i18n stuff? yes, absolutely
[05:17] <elkbuntu> i've managed to get the dist upgrade to complete so i at least have the right icons and wallpaper now
[05:17] <elkbuntu> im going to email you a tar.gz with stuff in a sec, gmail ok?
[05:18] <Burgundavia> for the artwork?
[05:18] <Burgundavia> frank already did the background, etc.
[05:18] <elkbuntu> the stuff you asked me for last night?
[05:18] <Burgundavia> yes, the 4 sections in 4 languages I still need
[05:19] <elkbuntu> i may or may nto have misinterpreted what you requested.. i couldnt really ask after you'd gone
[05:20] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: well, shoot it to me
[05:20] <elkbuntu> email sent now
[05:21] <Burgundavia> or upload it
[05:21] <elkbuntu> i've sent it to your gmail
[05:22] <elkbuntu> you've ended up with french, chinese, russian and arabic. cant get a much more varied selection :)
[05:23] <Burgundavia> that is ok
[05:23] <elkbuntu> btw, arabic is *trippy* to work in.. because *everything* is backwards and you habitually hit the wrong button to cancel ;)
[05:24] <elkbuntu> the composition is ok?
[05:24] <Burgundavia> those are perfect
[05:25] <elkbuntu> the story was.. oo.o adamantly refused to open in chinese or japanese
[05:25] <elkbuntu> in dapper
[05:25] <Burgundavia> the composition of the four is not exaclty what I had in mind
[05:25] <Burgundavia> but I will play with them
[05:25] <elkbuntu> yep, thats why i included the shots
[05:26] <elkbuntu> text is not a great way of trying to portray how you want an image to look
[05:26] <elkbuntu> ;)
[05:26] <Burgundavia> yes
[05:27] <elkbuntu> any other locale based stuff you need?
[05:28] <Burgundavia> nope
[05:29] <Burgundavia> gah, trying todo 3 thing at once
[05:29] <elkbuntu> yeah.. i know that feeling
[05:30] <elkbuntu> im just sorry it took me so long to do those, but nothing wanted to cooperate last night :(
[05:33] <Burgundavia> no worries
[05:33] <Burgundavia> we got lucky, Knot 3 has not been released yet
[05:33] <elkbuntu> btw.. it's Arabic (India), Chinese (China Mainland), French (UTF8),  and Russian.
[05:33] <elkbuntu> if you wanted to be specific for th page :)
[05:40] <elkbuntu> also, from my experience, edgy handles swapping and changing locales much better than dapper.. dapper i had to reset the machine between, edgy i havent had to
[05:49] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyEft/Knot3 now
[05:50] <elkbuntu> :)
[05:54] <elkbuntu> i'll keep those translations on the laptop i guess... they'll be useful another time
[06:37] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: thoughts on our Knot 3 page?
[06:38] <elkbuntu> apart from the fact im not a fan of art.. it feels like it's missing stuff.. like.. after the translations or something
[06:39] <elkbuntu> im not sure what though..
[06:41] <Burgundavia> yes, I don't know that we had more changes?
[06:41] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, is upstart the only cool change..
[06:41] <Burgundavia> yep
[06:41] <Burgundavia> and that is not something one takes screenshots of
[06:42] <elkbuntu> true. may be include the logo there for the prettiness factor?
[06:42] <Burgundavia> sure
[06:44] <elkbuntu> eek.. 'incorrect password' message hurts against the new darker login screen
[06:47] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: can you reshoot the russian image?
[06:47] <Burgundavia> without gimp active?
[06:48] <elkbuntu> sure
[06:56] <nixternal> don't forget the new usplashes as well which are new for knot3
[06:57] <Burgundavia> nixternal: already covered, should move the screenshot
[06:58] <nixternal> im done..just waiting for knot 3 to be released now
[06:59] <elkbuntu> in transit, Burgundavia
[06:59] <Burgundavia> cheers
[06:59] <elkbuntu> i hadnt really noticed that it was active until you mentioned it just now
[07:00] <Burgundavia> nor did I
[07:05] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: got it
[07:05] <Burgundavia> now I wish I had saved that bloody gimp image as something other than a png
[07:05] <elkbuntu> i know that feeling oh-so-well
[07:07] <Burgundavia> how do I move a selection in the gimp?
[07:08] <elkbuntu> um... not sure.
[07:09] <elkbuntu> i've been using gimp for over 2 years now and i have nfi :|
[07:12] <elkbuntu> ahhh i know now
[07:12] <elkbuntu> i think
[07:13] <elkbuntu> well you can make it float from the selection menu
[07:13] <elkbuntu> and you can move it around and it'll anchor when you click outside the selection
[07:14] <elkbuntu> ^-- best i can come up with, Burgundavia
[07:14] <Burgundavia> no, I need to move the selection box, not the actual selection
[07:15] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, having fun with the GIMP again?
[07:15] <elkbuntu> o.O
[07:15] <Burgundavia> yes
[07:15] <Burgundavia> I hate it
[07:16] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: can you do https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyEft/Knot3?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=languages.png better?
[07:16] <Burgundavia> I have the source files, courtesy of the lovely elkbuntu
[07:16] <Madpilot> not on a LiveCD on a laptop without enough RAM, I can't
[07:16] <elkbuntu> Madpilot, if you ever need a brainf*** load up an arabic locale :)
[07:16] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, i'll have a go since i know what you want now
[07:17] <Burgundavia> ok, thanks
[07:17] <Burgundavia> try copying arabic into a bunch of text
[07:17] <Burgundavia> I did that with the GNOME posters I was doing a while back
[07:17] <Madpilot> I don't even dare think about loading the GIMP on this thing - it would probably freeze solid
[07:18] <Burgundavia> ok, thanks
[07:18] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, im talking how everything is backwards.. you try cancel out of something and it takes you several attempts before you remmeber to hit 'the other button'
[07:18] <Burgundavia> ah
[07:19] <Madpilot> yeah, the cursor running "backwards" when you're dealing with RTL scripts is very odd
[07:20] <nixternal> Burgundavia: if you want, sling me the orig's on those images, and i will do it up for you quickly
[07:21] <nixternal> only take me 1 minute..and you say yay/nay to it
[07:21] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu is going to have a go, now that she knows what I was thinking
[07:21] <elkbuntu> well. lets see who can do it better :P
[07:21] <nixternal> gimme some digs
[07:21] <nixternal> i have pbuilders going everywhere
[07:21] <nixternal> im starting to get scared
[07:22] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu can you fire the images to nixternal or should I?
[07:22] <nixternal> hehe
[07:22] <elkbuntu> you can, i'd have to find his addy
[07:22] <nixternal> watch it on the moooooshy stuff guy ;)
[07:22] <nixternal> dcc it
[07:22] <nixternal> i think my firewall is being nice
[07:23] <Burgundavia> prefectly sober
[07:23] <nixternal> haha
[07:23] <Burgundavia> just happy
[07:23] <Burgundavia> my life is going very well recently
[07:24] <Burgundavia> I wish I could tell you all why, but most of it is work and very much hush hush
[07:24] <elkbuntu> oooh, fun :)
[07:24] <Madpilot> slightly silly amounts of money are involved, but I'll say no more ;)
[07:25] <Burgundavia> one thing I can tell is that work is paying my way to the GNOME summit in Boston
[07:25] <nixternal> where are them pics?
[07:26] <nixternal> bah boston
[07:26] <Burgundavia> nixternal: incoming
[07:26] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, nice, you won't have to squat on someone else's floor ;)
[07:26] <Burgundavia> yep
[07:26] <nixternal> chicago messed up big time..we used to have all of the killer shows here at one point
[07:27] <Burgundavia> sent
[07:27] <Burgundavia> nixternal: can you add your event to the UWN calendar?
[07:27] <nixternal> sure can
[07:27] <nixternal> in october ;)
[07:27] <nixternal> but i can pimp it for the next month ;)
[07:27] <Burgundavia> if it was announced this week, it goes in this weeks
[07:28] <nixternal> no prob
[07:28] <Burgundavia> after that it lives in the fridges calendar
[07:29] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, will you be coming down under for LCA?
[07:29] <Burgundavia> work and I are talking
[07:29] <Burgundavia> I won't say either yes or no
[07:29] <elkbuntu> cool, in consideration at least
[07:29] <john_little> Start wewantcorey.com Melissa
[07:30] <elkbuntu> rofl
[07:32] <john_little> Maybe its time for you to leave the big island..go consult in HK or something
[07:32] <elkbuntu> im not -that good- at linux, i just like it lots
[07:33] <john_little> its ok. most consultants arent good at anything
[07:35] <john_little> Can you use words like "synergy" and "mindshare" in a sentence..and work powerpoint/Presentation?
[07:36] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: what do you do currently?
[07:37] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, nothing, well, work for the dole as of tuesday coming :(
[07:37] <Burgundavia> right
[07:37] <john_little> Wed development
[07:37] <john_little> er Web
[07:37] <elkbuntu> john_little, i like to tell myself that, but i've had 1 client since november last year so well.. :(
[07:39] <john_little> Ok so now customers..but you can still do it
[07:39] <john_little> now=no
[07:39] <elkbuntu> yeah
[07:40] <john_little> And you've launched a very successful site for one of the hottest tech projects around
[07:40] <john_little> I hope the counter is on your resume
[07:40] <elkbuntu> on my folio
[07:40] <elkbuntu> on/in
[07:40] <john_little> cool
[07:44] <john_little> I know a company hiring like mad...but the jobs are in India
[07:47] <nixternal> http://buntudot.org/people/~nixternal/bah.png
[07:47] <nixternal> dunno if i really like it
[07:50] <john_little> I think it looks pretty good
[07:51] <john_little> http://youtube.com/watch?v=n0rGyajWdlg
[07:55] <Burgundavia> nixternal: too tall
[07:55] <nixternal> my thoughts exactly
[07:55] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, dont worry, im here ;)
[07:55] <elkbuntu> gimme a sec to move them
[07:56] <elkbuntu> http://meldra.no-ip.info:8080/translations
[07:56] <elkbuntu> you even get choice!
[07:58] <Burgundavia> thoughts?
[07:58] <Burgundavia> 1st is cleaner
[07:58] <elkbuntu> yeah
[07:58] <elkbuntu> 2nd was just 'hmm i wonder'
[07:59] <elkbuntu> but you -can- see more of each pic imho
[07:59] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: all yours to edit
[07:59] <Burgundavia> replace the existing languages.png pelase
[08:00] <elkbuntu> which one though? 1st or 2nd?
[08:01] <Burgundavia> the 1st, with the cascade like the one I mocked up
[08:04] <elkbuntu> there you go :)
[08:05] <Burgundavia> looks good
[08:08] <elkbuntu> i still say find a pic of the upstart logo to make that part stand out more
[08:09] <Burgundavia> not hard
[08:09] <Burgundavia> look on keybuks blog
[08:15] <Burgundavia> ok, are we ready to move to the ubuntu website
[08:15] <Burgundavia> ?
[08:15] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu, john_little final thoughts/edits on Knot3?
[08:16] <elkbuntu> im still wading through the planet trying to find a post from keybuk so i can find his blog and the logo
[08:17] <Burgundavia> netsplit.com
[08:18] <elkbuntu> www. seems useful with that site ;)
[08:19] <john_little> find it?
[08:21] <elkbuntu> yep
[08:22] <john_little> looks nice
[08:22] <john_little> Knot3 that is
[08:24] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, ive left the 'in progress notice' and you may want to fix up the upstart logo's placement.... i dont know how to use the wiki good enough
[08:24] <Burgundavia> on the website I can use HTML
[08:25] <elkbuntu> ok then well i'll leave you to the rest :)
[08:26] <Burgundavia> http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/2006/09/customizing_ubuntu_live_cd_606_1.html <--- cool
[08:29] <elkbuntu> second comment == cool, all the comments that said 'you didnt search so we'll pop your bubble of success' == not cool
[08:31] <john_little> nice work on the knot3 stuff ppl
[08:32] <john_little> I'm going to bed..getting up early to buy a new laptop before work :)
[08:32] <Burgundavia> hmm, http://digg.com/linux_unix/Fluendo_Multimedia_Codecs_DRM_Ubuntu
[08:32] <john_little> lol
[08:34] <john_little> I just dug it...and commented ;)
[08:36] <Madpilot> Burgundavia gets dugg ;)
[08:36] <Burgundavia> heh
[08:36] <Madpilot> which video is that, anyway? (I'm currently Flashless...)
[08:36] <john_little> He's just pissed that they didn't refer to him as "Chief Editor"
[08:37] <Burgundavia> right
[08:37] <Burgundavia> not really
[08:37] <john_little> ;)
[08:37] <Burgundavia> added the adobe story to the UWN
[08:37] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: it is the video of my at Google
[08:37] <Madpilot> john_little, his actual title is "Grand Poobah & Principal Sh*t Disturber", I think
[08:38] <Burgundavia> after 5 days of solid talking
[08:38] <john_little> Corey Burger, PSD
[08:38] <Burgundavia> my voice was pretty much done
[08:38] <john_little> Yeah I get like that about twice a week. during bouts of presentations
[08:39] <john_little> coffee helps
[08:39] <Burgundavia> ick
[08:40] <john_little> ok, microwave a cup of Diet Rockstar :)
[08:40] <john_little> that would be gross actually
[08:41] <elkbuntu> i dont like plain coffee, but mocha and flavoured lattes are ok
[08:42] <Madpilot> London Fog - Earl Grey + steamed milk. brilliant source of caffiene.
[08:42] <Burgundavia> funny, I had never heard that until today and now two people mention it to me
[08:42] <elkbuntu> tea does not release as much caffeine as coffee
[08:42] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: I agree with you on the coffee thing
[08:43] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, what, London Fog?
[08:43] <Burgundavia> yep
[08:44] <Madpilot> best thing to come out of the Starbucks-add-steamed-milk-to-everything craze, IMO
[08:44] <john_little> London Fog is great....sprinkle like 2-3 drops on a gallon of Kona coffee
[08:45] <john_little> starbucks isn't tasty..it's convenient
[08:45] <john_little> the coffee that is
[08:45] <elkbuntu> and good value
[08:46] <elkbuntu> white chocolate mocha == teh awesomeness
[08:46] <Madpilot> john_little, starbucks is shite coffee; they over-roast (ie, burn) their beans
[08:46] <john_little> gotta respect a company that can make a tall drink with more fat than a double cheeseburger
[08:47] <john_little> yep...but they're on every corner so I find myself in there more than id like
[08:47] <elkbuntu> i get steamed milk rather than cream ;)
[08:48] <john_little> I drink black americanos..starbucks makes a C grade americano
[09:00] <Burgundavia> ok, truly last words (until tomorrow morning)
[09:00] <Burgundavia> moving knot 3 over
[09:03] <elkbuntu> cool
[09:03] <Burgundavia> https://www.ubuntu.com/testing/knot3
[09:03] <Madpilot> when is Knot3 being released?
[09:04] <Burgundavia> soon
[09:04] <Burgundavia> sadly, I have no idea as to exact time
[09:05] <Madpilot> soon as in hours, or soon as in a few days?
[09:05] <Burgundavia> hours, likely
[09:05] <Burgundavia> I have just pinged Mithrandir to find out
[09:05] <elkbuntu> i'd imagine hours, it was supposed to be this morning
[09:06] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: one issue with your image
[09:06] <Burgundavia> its drop shadow is a different direction
[09:06] <Burgundavia> could you correct that on the wiki? (the page is pulling from the wiki for images)
[09:06] <elkbuntu> i noticed that, ok i'll fix it
[09:06] <elkbuntu> it might mean the cascade goes the other way though
[09:07] <Burgundavia> hmm, that is no good
[09:07] <Burgundavia> well, lets see
[09:07] <elkbuntu> yep, gimme a min
[09:13] <elkbuntu> well there you go, doesnt look quite as 3d anymore but oh well
[09:14] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: that is great
[09:14] <Burgundavia> thanks so much for your hard work
[09:14] <elkbuntu> :) you sleep well now
[09:14] <Burgundavia> we should probably put the standard footer on that page, listing people and then the marketing team, rather than me
[09:14] <Burgundavia> I will do that tomorrow
[09:15] <elkbuntu> i dont think therei s any real need
[09:16] <Burgundavia> I do
[09:16] <Burgundavia> because unlike when mgalvin did it, these are much more team efforts
[09:18] <elkbuntu> up to you
[09:19] <Madpilot> need sleep - night, all
[09:19] <elkbuntu> cya Madpilot
[11:16] <jenda> I was so sorry that noone responded to my email that I did it myself.
[11:25] <jenda> aaand, my smtp server is prolly dead now.
[11:28] <jenda> sent.
[11:28] <jenda> I'll be off for a week, so see y'all.
[11:33] <MenZa> :o
[11:33] <MenZa> cya, jenda
[03:40] <free_attitude> hello
[03:42] <free_attitude> anyone here?
[04:09] <MenZa> no.
[04:09] <MenZa> noone's here.
[04:09] <free_attitude> really?
[04:09] <free_attitude> :)
[04:10] <MenZa> nope.
[04:10] <MenZa> sorry to disappoint.
[04:11] <free_attitude> damn :)
[05:21] <Klaidas> hmm
[05:21] <Klaidas> I just got some Ubuntu CDs, yay!
[05:21] <Klaidas> The interesting part of this that I got them from a friend who I told about Ubuntu :-D
[05:22] <Klaidas> He didn't believe that you can really get free cds from shipit, so I just told him to order and try it
[05:23] <Klaidas> he was amazad when they came and let me keep some :))