=== ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === geser [n=michael@dialin109066.justdsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sistpoty [n=sistpoty@ubuntu/member/sistpoty] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:22] hi folks [12:24] hi sistpoty [12:24] how's it going? [12:24] hi ajmitch [12:24] fine... I've finally got a new box :) [12:24] great :) [12:24] sistpoty: just so you know, we're planning a revu day for monday [12:25] ajmitch: just read LaserJock's mail :) [12:25] ah good, he sent an email? [12:25] yep === ajmitch is having some mail delays today [12:27] LaserJock: thanks for sending that [12:28] np [12:28] sistpoty: will you be around at all? [12:28] LaserJock: not quite sure yet... I hope I can find some time on monday [12:29] doesn't have to be monday - we just need to get stuff reviewed ;) === sistpoty is just reviewing :) === FliesLikeALap [n=Ryan@apricot-05.dynamic2.rpi.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:31] btw.: what do I need to do to get s.th. into dapper-updates? [12:32] sistpoty: ask mdz/kamion === Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@203.23.49.35] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:32] there are new procedures now anyway [12:32] not sure what applies to universe [12:32] k, wil do === abelcheung [n=abelcheu@221.126.155.100] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:32] +l === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-66-110.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:33] ajmitch, do you need a new machine? === Tonio__ [n=tonio@41.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:33] ajmitch, were you not complaining about how slow it was? [12:34] Burgwork: if I was, I'd probably be complaining about the one at work [12:34] while I'd like a new machine, I probably don't need one for home just yet :) [12:34] right. It may have been you bitching about the bandwidth [12:34] that's far more likely [12:34] since I live in NZ.. [12:34] my home box is an amd64, with RAID, lots of RAM, etc [12:34] not slow to build on [12:36] just kernel stuff :) === micahcowan [n=micahcow@69.36.252.2] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [12:36] zul: you never seem to bother with CONCURRENCY_LEVEL :) [12:36] I'm sure it'd make building a bit faster [12:36] i do.. === ajmitch never sees 2 cores in use === [GuS] [n=LnX@190.48.99.202] has left #Ubuntu-motu ["Abandonando"] [12:37] i just sometimes forget === Mirrad1 [n=Mirrado@20150042254.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:37] argg, my dev box is a 1.3Ghz P4 :/ [12:37] -/+ buffers/cache: 3349768 695560 [12:38] that's a sad indictment of the linux desktop - >3GB RAM used ;) [12:38] you guys and your silly AMD64's and > 256MB RAM [12:38] LaserJock, are you freaking serious? === Mirrad1 [n=Mirrado@20150042254.user.veloxzone.com.br] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [12:38] we need to launch of fund for developers who need machines [12:38] LaserJock: hah...2.4Ghz here [12:39] Burgwork: sounds like a good idea :) [12:39] with my new box, it's a completely new feeling of playing quake4 now... no longer look, turn, guess, shoot, wait for next frame... ;) === ajmitch just lets others use his box for building stuff [12:40] Burgwork: yeah 1.3GHz P4 with 256MB of Rambus with a 30GB hard drive [12:40] that's my pbuilder machine === llusser [n=rwecker@ipn36372-b61642.cidr.lightship.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:40] LaserJock: we need to pass the hat around [12:40] Ooh dear. RDRAM... [12:40] right. I have a 2.5 ghz athlon with 1gb of ram sitting here doing nothing [12:40] sistpoty: heh, I know that feeling :) [12:40] Burgwork: should be cheap to ship to the US === nictuku [n=yves@ubuntu/member/nictuku] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:41] I think we could use just having some machines that we can ssh into [12:41] ajmitch, just need output hotplug to work, so I can use my laptop as my primary machine [12:41] LaserJock, do you want access to mine? [12:41] I have a 1.8 GHZ AMD at home but I can't use it much for dev work :/ [12:42] silly question: is there some policy for setuid-root executables? [12:42] I am quite serious, as it mostly sits there and does nothing [12:42] sistpoty, pitti will have you shot [12:42] that answer your question? [12:43] Burgwork: not really... I new there was s.th. like if you need suid, use debconf some ancient time, but does that still apply? [12:43] no idea [12:43] I don't do this "development" stuff [12:43] and then it was don't do setuid, but that might be only rumors === kinema [n=adam@c-71-236-182-199.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:47] is anyone working on porting libpam-krb5-2.3 from debian unstable ? [12:49] llusser: no, should be a straight sync [12:50] what do you mean by straight sync [12:50] we ask the archive admins to update it from debian [12:52] siretart, ping === lakin [n=lakin@S01060013101832ce.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:53] Burgwork: I doubt you'll have much luck at that time of day... (it's almost 1am here) [12:54] sistpoty, you can always hope [12:54] Burgwork: sistpoty would also do just as well ;-) === sistpoty hides === Adri2000 [n=adri2000@unaffiliated/adri2000] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [12:54] sistpoty: run away while you have the chance [12:55] Aren't most packages in universe pulled directly from Debian? [12:55] kinema: yep [12:55] yeah [12:55] Burgwork: ajmitch would also work :-) [12:55] sistpoty, in /query [12:55] all these tasty victims^WWhelpers [12:57] So if I needed to build an ubuntu package for Dapper which is in Debian unstable, and is likely to end up in edgy, is it a straightforward process to grab the package/source and rebuild it for my box? [12:57] I'm looking at ejabberd right now which in universe is still v1.0.0. The Debian package was updated to to v1.1.1 back in May. Why is there such a lag? [12:57] BTW I'm working in Edgy right now. [12:58] kinema: because at upstream version freeze, we stop automatically syncing packages that are unmodified in ubuntu [12:58] lakin: yeah [12:58] kinema: in this case: [12:58] LaserJock: I assume there's some documentation for that, but for some reason I can't find it. Mind pointing me in the general direction? [12:58] ejabberd | 1.0.0-1build1 | http://apt-proxy edgy/universe Packages [12:58] ejabberd | 1.1.1-4 | http://apt-proxy edgy/universe Sources [12:59] kinema: we have 1.1.1 sources, but it failed to build [12:59] lakin: grab the Debian unstable source package and build it in a Dapper pbuilder [01:00] k. /me goes off looking for pbuilder docs [01:00] LaserJock, I will set that up when I get home [01:00] ajmitch: what motu is responsible for the package? if i wanted to talk to someone about it who would i talk to? MOTOIM? [01:00] kinema: it requires erlang-nox to build, which is not built in ubuntu [01:00] Burgwork: ok, cool [01:00] LaserJock: thanks [01:00] LaserJock, the machine is not going to be up 24/7, but I will start it every morning [01:00] !packagingguide > lakin [01:01] kinema: that may help [01:01] Burgwork: good enough for me, we're on the same TZ [01:01] ajmitch: thanks. [01:01] !packagingguide > llusser [01:04] LaserJock: depends what "good" connotes [01:04] crimsun: what do you have to build on? [01:04] ajmitch: amd64 and i386 (tiber) [01:05] right [01:05] last I heard you had an old laptop === grexk [n=grexk@124.107.72.45] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:05] LaserJock, you know what is sick? We just bought a amd64 3000 with 512mb for our demo machine and most of the time it will just sit in this office unused [01:05] yep, still have that. I don't have a local pbuilder. [01:05] crimsun: unfortunate [01:06] Burgwork: yep, I've got a 2.6 P4 with 1 GB of ram in the next room, but it's for data collection and has to run a 2.4 kernel :( === ajmitch should probably turn his laptop back on [01:06] LaserJock, you not switch the machines around? [01:07] Burgwork: nope [01:07] when I'm collecting data I need a good machine [01:07] ajmitch: / LaserJock: Mondays fine (RE: a REVU day) [01:07] crimsun: way cool [01:07] sladen: bug 60472 would be humourous if it wasn't such a problem :) [01:07] Malone bug 60472 in xorg "Spacebardoesnotworkafterupgradetoedgy" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/60472 [01:09] ajmitch, I think that has to make it the UWN this week [01:09] make it to, rather [01:11] in terms of developer access, would acquiring a fairly fast amd64 and making it available be worth it? [01:12] I think it'd be quite useful [01:12] making it available to people in ubuntu-dev, perhaps [01:12] yep [01:12] let me see what I can do [01:12] thanks [01:13] yeah, that would be great actually [01:14] there have been several times when I've come across an AMD64-only FTBFS or bug [01:14] and I can't do a thing about it [01:14] Burgwork: ideally it'd be something that canonical would sponsor, like tiber [01:16] ajmitch, yes, it would [01:18] maybe we could kidnap elmo at the dev summit and hold him for ransom ;-) [01:19] he is kind of large, might take a few of us [01:20] scary thought [01:20] looks like I can get the kind of machine that would be needed for about 700 CAD [01:20] I'd say mdz but he seems too crafty === ajmitch would love to go to mountain view, but I doubt it'll happen [01:20] ajmitch, apply for sponsorship [01:21] see last part of sentence [01:21] other things in the way [01:21] ? [01:21] no [01:21] doubt I'll get sponsorship all the way from NZ :) [01:21] it is not that far [01:22] where are people going to stay, anyway? [01:22] no idea [01:22] that's what I'm not sure of [01:22] mountain view is not a great location to stay in [01:22] sf is an hour away [01:22] it didn't seem like the kind of place to have on=site accomidations [01:23] no, it doesn't [01:23] ajmitch, is only 1300 for a ticket from auckland to sfo [01:23] auckland->sf is a 12+ hour flight [01:23] I can't afford $1300 [01:24] yes, but canonical can === llusser [n=rwecker@ipn36372-b61642.cidr.lightship.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [01:24] I'm sure the fine folks in Mountian View wouldn't mind ~100 weirdos with Ubuntu t-shirts hanging out in the parks ;-) [01:24] LaserJock: compared to the other weirdos in the area, I'm sure we'd fit in nicely [01:24] haha [01:25] at least we could give out CDs [01:25] maybe canonical doesn't want us to sleep, and we keep speccing through the night [01:25] I'm sure SF gives out laptops to all the homeless people === lotusleaf [n=lotuslea@unaffiliated/lotusleaf] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:26] hm === ajmitch should get patching upstart [01:27] Burgwork: ok, I'll put my name down on the list, but I doubt I'll get it [01:28] I put my name in for accomidations [01:28] ajmitch: hey [01:28] thought I might as well [01:28] ajmitch: mark lets you go at 9pm, he has a heart [01:28] kind of him [01:28] 9pm on Friday? ;-) [01:28] if i pay my own way [01:28] i am totally going out [01:28] whenever i feel like it [01:28] i dont think ill go, though [01:29] :( [01:29] im pretty much out of paid vacation [01:29] tseng: can't stand being that close to the Left coast? ;-) [01:30] LaserJock: all those lefties do get me a little testy [01:30] :-) [01:30] LaserJock: you aren't a leftie, are you? [01:31] tseng: sorry no, registered Republican, voted for Bush... both times === LaserJock runs === tseng hugs LaserJock [01:31] my hero [01:31] i took a beating about Bush in #gnome-hackers yesterday [01:31] what a surprise [01:31] haha [01:32] all your international lefties [01:32] who think they have a say [01:32] Ralph Nader in 2008! [01:32] LaserJock, you are truly on crack, but I don't hold it against you [01:32] Nader would be awesome [01:32] I just don't get into it much, nobody is going to convince anybody [01:32] I get into it [01:32] Burgwork: me neither ;-) [01:32] tseng: I vote for Nader for President, Gov and mayor every year [01:33] because in Gnome there is enough of a majority for people to be comfortable saying they are undeniably right, etc [01:33] probably in open source in general [01:33] Republican == stupid, etc [01:34] tseng: well, I'm also at a state university ;-) [01:35] I remember the day afte Bush got relected [01:35] anyway [01:35] we had a goup meeting [01:35] you could totally tell who was on each side [01:35] tseng: excellent article by Nader: "Error Message" Microsoft has performed an illegal function and should be shut down" http://web.archive.org/web/20041009195732/http://www.sfbg.com/nader/100.html [01:35] more seriously [01:35] McCain in 2008 [01:35] woo [01:36] bah [01:36] Nader! [01:36] you're wasting your vote [01:36] *cough*didn't he die of old age?*cough* [01:36] but im sure you knew that [01:36] tseng: just like Linus wasted his time? [01:36] tseng: it's not a waste at all, the red/blue parlor games are the real waste of time === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:37] lotusleaf: linus didnt need 51% of a vote [01:37] tseng: he didn't need contributers either? [01:37] sure he did [01:38] tseng: exactly [01:38] Nader just takes a minimal number of votes away from the Dems [01:38] tseng: the tv brainwashes most, so the real people who should be elected never will [01:38] tseng: history records my vote, it does matter [01:38] ok :) [01:38] tseng: sure, if you care about red/blue parlor games [01:39] I do [01:39] red or blue wins [01:39] green doesnt. [01:39] tseng: Win/Apple! [01:39] tseng: nix doesnt [01:39] ok well there are millions of computers [01:39] one president of the US every 4 years [01:39] still not the same [01:39] tseng: only because we have no lennon/king of today [01:39] john? [01:40] tseng: people listen to TV because there's no real speaker of the people [01:41] I wasnt around but "of the people" for John Lennon wasnt really voting adults [01:41] from the best I can gather [01:41] tseng: no need to be around, read history [01:41] I watched his videos, listened to most of his music [01:42] (this discussions looks like it might be a candidate to move it to #ubuntu-offtopic) [01:42] im not moving anywhere === lotusleaf nods to azeem [01:42] ill quit if you feel strongly [01:42] don't take the fun out of -motu ;) [01:42] tseng: how's the weather? [01:42] lotusleaf: rainy and not so warm [01:43] just getting cold here [01:43] hm [01:43] has been dry and in the 90s === ajmitch wonders at the use of the affiliation & interest columns on the sponsorship page when everyone duplicates the content [01:44] where is that? [01:44] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperSummitMountainView/Sponsorship of course :) === ajmitch probably should add other things to the list [01:50] I tried to vary it [01:51] it doesn't say when sponsorship requests cut off [01:52] man, pygi sure added enough stuff [01:52] yes [01:52] I think I should have listed every package I've uploaded ;-) [01:52] haha [01:52] just to be sure [01:53] cause they might not know [01:53] I should add everythign I'm remotely interested in [01:53] ooh, I forgot zope/plone on the list ;) [01:53] Silly people going to UDSes :( [01:54] Fujitsu: no, silly people futilely applying for sponsorship === lotusleaf is a silly person who wants to be a motu one day ;) [01:55] but alas, I haven't applied ;) [01:55] I have eaten several habaneros whole though [01:55] ajmitch, probably. [01:55] ok, bbl [01:56] See ya/ === mwolson [i=mwolson@pal-177-164.itap.purdue.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio_ [n=tonio@41.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:02] Hi guys, I'm experiencing a strange error: if I try to build a package using pbuilder-edgy (setup like in the howto), all is well [02:02] if I try the same for dapper (also pbuilder), it fails between dh_install and dh_installchangelog [02:03] What error? [02:03] make: *** [binary-indep] Error 1 [02:03] pbuilder: Failed autobuilding of package [02:04] There's probably an error listed before that... [02:04] (I get a dh_install: I have no package to build too, but on pbuilder-edgy as well, so I guess that's normal) [02:05] Could it be that pbuilder-edgy is more tolerant regarding errors? [02:05] I wouldn't think so [02:06] "dh_install: I have no package to build" is the last real error message I can find, but on both builds [02:06] and one of them keeps on going, so I don't think that's the problem [02:10] anyway, I'll debug some more, thought this might be some common error, but it's likely not [02:10] beligum: my guess would be that you've got debian/control wrong [02:10] hm, in what way? [02:11] beligum: do you have a "Package: " entry? [02:11] yes [02:11] two [02:11] beligum: ok, was just a blind guess from me... === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:12] (doing a complete new/fresh build now, perhaps that's the problem) [02:12] no, still the same proble [02:13] Heya gang [02:13] Hi bddebian. [02:14] Hello Fujitsu [02:14] beligum: oh, nice... I guess I just found a hint: are you trying to do s.th. in binary-indep but don't have any arch:all packages? [02:14] hi bddebian [02:15] Heya sistpoty === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:16] hmm, now you mention that: I've two packages (libinstrudeo0 and libinstrudeo-dev), but both of them are "Architecture: any" [02:16] could that be the prob? [02:17] This is my debian directory: http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/libinstrudeo-0609141615/libinstrudeo-0.1.3/debian/ [02:19] Strange it works on edgy though [02:21] beligum: yes, you build two arch:any packages, so actually binary-indep should be empty (since there is no arch:all package) [02:30] sistpoty: that did the trick indeed, thanks a lot [02:30] np === Tonio__ [n=tonio@112.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dolson_ [n=dana@dsl-66-225-161-82.vianet.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@125.212.21.68] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:48] Another question, someone advised me (think it was Ridell) to install usr/lib/*.so.* for the regular library, and usr/lib/*.so to the -dev package [02:49] However, ScreenKast (uses this lib) fails to compile because the libfoo.so isn't present [02:49] morning all [02:49] Hi Hobbsee [02:49] hey beligum [02:50] beligum: screenkast would need to build-depend on the -dev package (and the -dev package must depend on the library package) [02:50] Morning over there? [02:50] beligum: so the both symlink and shared object should be available for building screenkast [02:50] hi Hobbsee [02:50] sistpoty: yeah, of course, stupid of me [02:51] hi sistpoty [02:51] beligum: btw.: you can find some nice stuff in the debian library packaging guide about librarries (just google for it) [02:51] -r === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:06] Hobbsee! [03:07] ajmitch! [03:08] how are you? [03:11] Morning, Hobbsee. [03:11] ajmitch: i'm okay ;) [03:11] hey Fujitsu [03:17] Damn I have got to get sistpoty to show me how he reviews packages.. Sheesh [03:18] bddebian: not too much magic involved here [03:19] bddebian: why? [03:19] show me too [03:19] sistpoty: You seem to keep catching tons of shit that I miss :-( === bddebian stops reviewing [03:19] bddebian: experience.. [03:20] keep reviewing or we'll come over there & do things... [03:21] bddebian: that's why reviews always have more than one person. If anyone could learn to review and never miss anything, it'd be a different game. ;) [03:21] I basically just look at the .diff.gz first (gives some overview over all files), then check if the orig.tarball matches, build the package and look at lintian, look at the files the package installs and finally grep for copyright in the sources. not really much more [03:21] Anybody want to review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3104? [03:23] sistpoty: You said you uploaded kwin-style-hypnotista-siyah but I don't see it?? [03:23] bddebian: I'm still about to upload it ;) [03:23] :-) [03:23] Fujitsu: What did you change? [03:24] bddebian: anything wrong with it? (I didn't start the upload yet actually) [03:24] ajmitch: Go for it [03:24] sistpoty: Nope, just noticed your comment :-) [03:24] hehe [03:25] up it goes [03:26] bddebian: ok, I admit I do have some magic for reviewing: http://revu.tauware.de/~sistpoty/scripts/ralf.py [03:27] :-) === bddebian is tired of sucking at everything [03:28] sistpoty: nice! [03:29] bddebian: come on, w.o. you universe would suck! [03:29] Hobbsee: thx [03:29] sistpoty: Heh, yeah right, but thanks [03:29] sistpoty: If you get a sec, could you poke at gaim-libnotify? [03:29] bddebian: remind me to bring a big stick to when I meet you [03:30] bddebian: sure, give me 5 mins (need a cigarette first) [03:30] sistpoty: Hmm, not a bad idea :-) === amachu [n=amachu@125.22.78.49] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:30] ajmitch: Well I guess we'll have to never meet then ;-P [03:31] we will... [03:33] Hobbsee knows how scary I am [03:33] bddebian, desktop/icons moved to -data. [03:33] indeed. [03:34] Fujitsu: Is that correct? ;-) [03:37] nice script sistpoty [03:38] bddebian: have you cleaned up the REVU queue yet? [03:40] ajmitch: No, I told you I quit :-) [03:41] bddebian: then you'd be a slacker like me ;) [03:41] is that what it has come to? [03:41] Heya chillywilly [03:41] hi [03:44] chillywilly: beat some sense into him, please [03:45] Yeah chillywilly, good luck with that :) === ajmitch has given up === grexk [n=grexk@124.107.72.45] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === bddebian hugs ajmitch [03:48] bddebian: you're the all-singing all-dancing crap of the world [03:49] bddebian: and if you don't know where that quote came from then I shall disown you forever ;) [03:52] bddebian: you'll have to forgive me for not puting it in quotes though, my bad homie [03:54] hehe [03:54] well? [03:55] night all === Tonio_ [n=tonio@192.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:55] it's from a movie... === beligum [n=beligum@d54C49C69.access.telenet.be] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Konversation] [03:55] or book... === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:55] Fight Club [03:56] yay, you can use google ;) [03:56] D00d, I love that movie [03:56] It's so freakin' twisted [03:56] just messing' witcha [03:57] Uhm for some reason that newly reported bug is giving me the giggles.. ;-) === chillywilly just ate hardees and waits for his heart to explode [04:00] 60494 ? [04:01] bug 60494 [04:01] Malone bug 60494 in epiphany-browser "Tiny throbber in epiphany browser." [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/60494 [04:01] jsgotangco: yep ;-P [04:01] lol [04:01] chillywilly: Carls has ruined Hardee's man [04:01] hey there's still a hardees here in WI [04:01] ;) [04:02] Real Hardee's or that Carls Jr Hardee's? [04:02] this is probably the only one around for miles === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:02] nothin but Hardees [04:02] thick burgers baby! [04:02] Has the yellow star shit now right? [04:02] yes... [04:03] That's Carls Jr homeboy [04:03] I don't wtf the difference is... [04:03] well I don't think a real hardees exists anymore [04:03] oh wait [04:03] there's one by work too [04:03] Exactly :-) [04:03] Like no more Rax :'-( [04:03] wtf is Rax? [04:04] Used to be a Roast Beef place similar to Arby's but 1000x better ;_) [04:04] hey in WI we have Culvers :) [04:04] butter burgers....uuughghghghghhhhh [04:04] heh [04:05] beat that ;) [04:05] that'll kill ya for sure [04:06]