[12:22] <sistpoty> hi folks
[12:24] <ajmitch> hi sistpoty
[12:24] <ajmitch> how's it going?
[12:24] <sistpoty> hi ajmitch
[12:24] <sistpoty> fine... I've finally got a new box :)
[12:24] <ajmitch> great :)
[12:24] <ajmitch> sistpoty: just so you know, we're planning a revu day for monday
[12:25] <sistpoty> ajmitch: just read LaserJock's mail :)
[12:25] <ajmitch> ah good, he sent an email?
[12:25] <sistpoty> yep
[12:27] <ajmitch> LaserJock: thanks for sending that
[12:28] <LaserJock> np
[12:28] <LaserJock> sistpoty: will you be around at all?
[12:28] <sistpoty> LaserJock: not quite sure yet... I hope I can find some time on monday
[12:29] <ajmitch> doesn't have to be monday - we just need to get stuff reviewed ;)
[12:31] <sistpoty> btw.: what do I need to do to get s.th. into dapper-updates?
[12:32] <ajmitch> sistpoty: ask mdz/kamion
[12:32] <ajmitch> there are new procedures now anyway
[12:32] <ajmitch> not sure what applies to universe
[12:32] <sistpoty> k, wil do
[12:32] <sistpoty> +l
[12:33] <Burgwork> ajmitch, do you need a new machine?
[12:33] <Burgwork> ajmitch, were you not complaining about how slow it was?
[12:34] <ajmitch> Burgwork: if I was, I'd probably be complaining about the one at work
[12:34] <ajmitch> while I'd like a new machine, I probably don't need one for home just yet :)
[12:34] <Burgwork> right. It may have been you bitching about the bandwidth
[12:34] <ajmitch> that's far more likely
[12:34] <ajmitch> since I live in NZ..
[12:34] <ajmitch> my home box is an amd64, with RAID, lots of RAM, etc
[12:34] <ajmitch> not slow to build on
[12:36] <zul> just kernel stuff :)
[12:36] <ajmitch> zul: you never seem to bother with CONCURRENCY_LEVEL :)
[12:36] <ajmitch> I'm sure it'd make building a bit faster
[12:36] <zul> i do..
[12:37] <zul> i just sometimes forget
[12:37] <LaserJock> argg, my dev box is a 1.3Ghz P4 :/
[12:37] <ajmitch> -/+ buffers/cache:    3349768     695560
[12:38] <ajmitch> that's a sad indictment of the linux desktop - >3GB RAM used ;)
[12:38] <LaserJock> you guys and your silly AMD64's and > 256MB RAM
[12:38] <Burgwork> LaserJock, are you freaking serious?
[12:38] <Burgwork> we need to launch of fund for developers who need machines
[12:38] <zul> LaserJock: hah...2.4Ghz here
[12:39] <ajmitch> Burgwork: sounds like a good idea :)
[12:39] <sistpoty> with my new box, it's a completely new feeling of playing quake4 now... no longer look, turn, guess, shoot, wait for next frame... ;)
[12:40] <LaserJock> Burgwork: yeah 1.3GHz P4 with 256MB of Rambus with a 30GB hard drive
[12:40] <LaserJock> that's my pbuilder machine
[12:40] <ajmitch> LaserJock: we need to pass the hat around
[12:40] <Fujitsu> Ooh dear. RDRAM...
[12:40] <Burgwork> right. I have a 2.5 ghz athlon with 1gb of ram sitting here doing nothing
[12:40] <ajmitch> sistpoty: heh, I know that feeling :)
[12:40] <ajmitch> Burgwork: should be cheap to ship to the US
[12:41] <LaserJock> I think we could use just having some machines that we can ssh into
[12:41] <Burgwork> ajmitch, just need output hotplug to work, so I can use my laptop as my primary machine
[12:41] <Burgwork> LaserJock, do you want access to mine?
[12:41] <LaserJock> I have a 1.8 GHZ AMD at home but I can't use it much for dev work :/
[12:42] <sistpoty> silly question: is there some policy for setuid-root executables?
[12:42] <Burgwork> I am quite serious, as it mostly sits there and does nothing
[12:42] <Burgwork> sistpoty, pitti will have you shot
[12:42] <Burgwork> that answer your question?
[12:43] <sistpoty> Burgwork: not really... I new there was s.th. like if you need suid, use debconf some ancient time, but does that still apply?
[12:43] <Burgwork> no idea
[12:43] <Burgwork> I don't do this "development" stuff
[12:43] <sistpoty> and then it was don't do setuid, but that might be only rumors
[12:47] <llusser> is anyone working on porting libpam-krb5-2.3 from debian unstable ?
[12:49] <ajmitch> llusser: no, should be a straight sync
[12:50] <llusser> what do you mean by straight sync
[12:50] <ajmitch> we ask the archive admins to update it from debian
[12:52] <Burgwork> siretart, ping
[12:53] <sistpoty> Burgwork: I doubt you'll have much luck at that time of day... (it's almost 1am here)
[12:54] <Burgwork> sistpoty, you can always hope
[12:54] <LaserJock> Burgwork: sistpoty would also do just as well ;-)
[12:54] <ajmitch> sistpoty: run away while you have the chance
[12:55] <kinema> Aren't most packages in universe pulled directly from Debian?
[12:55] <sistpoty> kinema: yep
[12:55] <LaserJock> yeah
[12:55] <LaserJock> Burgwork: ajmitch would also work :-)
[12:55] <Burgwork> sistpoty, in /query
[12:55] <Burgwork> all these tasty victims^WWhelpers
[12:57] <lakin> So if I needed to build an ubuntu package for Dapper which is in Debian unstable, and is likely to end up in edgy, is it a straightforward process to grab the package/source and rebuild it for my box?
[12:57] <kinema> I'm looking at ejabberd right now which in universe is still v1.0.0.  The Debian package was updated to to v1.1.1 back in May.  Why is there such a lag?
[12:57] <kinema> BTW I'm working in Edgy right now.
[12:58] <ajmitch> kinema: because at upstream version freeze, we stop automatically syncing packages that are unmodified in ubuntu
[12:58] <LaserJock> lakin: yeah
[12:58] <ajmitch> kinema: in this case:
[12:58] <lakin> LaserJock: I assume there's some documentation for that, but for some reason I can't find it.  Mind pointing me in the general direction?
[12:58] <ajmitch>   ejabberd | 1.0.0-1build1 | http://apt-proxy edgy/universe Packages
[12:58] <ajmitch>   ejabberd |    1.1.1-4 | http://apt-proxy edgy/universe Sources
[12:59] <ajmitch> kinema: we have 1.1.1 sources, but it failed to build
[12:59] <LaserJock> lakin: grab the Debian unstable source package and build it in a Dapper pbuilder
[01:00] <lakin> k.  /me goes off looking for pbuilder docs
[01:00] <Burgwork> LaserJock, I will set that up when I get home
[01:00] <kinema> ajmitch: what motu is responsible for the package?  if i wanted to talk to someone about it who would i talk to?  MOTOIM?
[01:00] <ajmitch> kinema: it requires erlang-nox to build, which is not built in ubuntu
[01:00] <LaserJock> Burgwork: ok, cool
[01:00] <lakin> LaserJock: thanks
[01:00] <Burgwork> LaserJock, the machine is not going to be up 24/7, but I will start it every morning
[01:00] <LaserJock> !packagingguide > lakin
[01:01] <ajmitch> kinema: that may help
[01:01] <LaserJock> Burgwork: good enough for me, we're on the same TZ
[01:01] <kinema> ajmitch: thanks.
[01:01] <lakin> !packagingguide > llusser
[01:04] <crimsun> LaserJock: depends what "good" connotes
[01:04] <ajmitch> crimsun: what do you have to build on?
[01:04] <crimsun> ajmitch: amd64 and i386 (tiber)
[01:05] <ajmitch> right
[01:05] <ajmitch> last I heard you had an old laptop
[01:05] <Burgwork> LaserJock, you know what is sick? We just bought a amd64 3000 with 512mb for our demo machine and most of the time it will just sit in this office unused
[01:05] <crimsun> yep, still have that. I don't have a local pbuilder.
[01:05] <ajmitch> crimsun: unfortunate
[01:06] <LaserJock> Burgwork: yep, I've got a 2.6 P4 with 1 GB of ram in the next room, but it's for data collection and has to run a 2.4 kernel :(
[01:06] <Burgwork> LaserJock, you not switch the machines around?
[01:07] <LaserJock> Burgwork: nope
[01:07] <LaserJock> when I'm collecting data I need a good machine
[01:07] <crimsun> ajmitch: / LaserJock: Mondays fine (RE: a REVU day)
[01:07] <LaserJock> crimsun: way cool
[01:07] <ajmitch> sladen: bug 60472 would be humourous if it wasn't such a problem :)
[01:07] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 60472 in xorg "Spacebardoesnotworkafterupgradetoedgy" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60472
[01:09] <Burgwork> ajmitch, I think that has to make it the UWN this week
[01:09] <Burgwork> make it to, rather
[01:11] <Burgwork> in terms of developer access, would acquiring a fairly fast amd64 and making it available be worth it?
[01:12] <ajmitch> I think it'd be quite useful
[01:12] <ajmitch> making it available to people in ubuntu-dev, perhaps
[01:12] <Burgwork> yep
[01:12] <Burgwork> let me see what I can do
[01:12] <ajmitch> thanks
[01:13] <LaserJock> yeah, that would be great actually
[01:14] <LaserJock> there have been several times when I've come across an AMD64-only FTBFS or bug
[01:14] <LaserJock> and I can't do a thing about it
[01:14] <ajmitch> Burgwork: ideally it'd be something that canonical would sponsor, like tiber
[01:16] <Burgwork> ajmitch, yes, it would
[01:18] <LaserJock> maybe we could kidnap elmo at the dev summit and hold him for ransom ;-)
[01:19] <Burgwork> he is kind of large, might take a few of us
[01:20] <ajmitch> scary thought
[01:20] <Burgwork> looks like I can get the kind of machine that would be needed for about 700 CAD
[01:20] <LaserJock> I'd say mdz but he seems too crafty
[01:20] <Burgwork> ajmitch, apply for sponsorship
[01:21] <ajmitch> see last part of sentence
[01:21] <Burgwork> other things in the way
[01:21] <Burgwork> ?
[01:21] <ajmitch> no
[01:21] <ajmitch> doubt I'll get sponsorship all the way from NZ :)
[01:21] <Burgwork> it is not that far
[01:22] <ajmitch> where are people going to stay, anyway?
[01:22] <Burgwork> no idea
[01:22] <LaserJock> that's what I'm not sure of
[01:22] <Burgwork> mountain view is not a great location to stay in
[01:22] <Burgwork> sf is an hour away
[01:22] <LaserJock> it didn't seem like the kind of place to have on=site accomidations
[01:23] <Burgwork> no, it doesn't
[01:23] <Burgwork> ajmitch, is only 1300 for a ticket from auckland to sfo
[01:23] <ajmitch> auckland->sf is a 12+ hour flight
[01:23] <ajmitch> I can't afford $1300
[01:24] <Burgwork> yes, but canonical can
[01:24] <LaserJock> I'm sure the fine folks in Mountian View wouldn't mind ~100 weirdos with Ubuntu t-shirts hanging out in the parks ;-)
[01:24] <ajmitch> LaserJock: compared to the other weirdos in the area, I'm sure we'd fit in nicely
[01:24] <LaserJock> haha
[01:25] <LaserJock> at least we could give out CDs
[01:25] <ajmitch> maybe canonical doesn't want us to sleep, and we keep speccing through the night
[01:25] <LaserJock> I'm sure SF gives out laptops to all the homeless people
[01:26] <ajmitch> hm
[01:27] <ajmitch> Burgwork: ok, I'll put my name down on the list, but I doubt I'll get it
[01:28] <LaserJock> I put my name in for accomidations
[01:28] <tseng> ajmitch: hey
[01:28] <LaserJock> thought I might as well
[01:28] <tseng> ajmitch: mark lets you go at 9pm, he has a heart
[01:28] <ajmitch> kind of him
[01:28] <LaserJock> 9pm on Friday? ;-)
[01:28] <tseng> if i pay my own way
[01:28] <tseng> i am totally going out
[01:28] <tseng> whenever i feel like it
[01:28] <tseng> i dont think ill go, though
[01:29] <LaserJock> :(
[01:29] <tseng> im pretty much out of paid vacation
[01:29] <LaserJock> tseng: can't stand being that close to the Left coast? ;-)
[01:30] <tseng> LaserJock: all those lefties do get me a little testy
[01:30] <LaserJock> :-)
[01:30] <tseng> LaserJock: you aren't a leftie, are you?
[01:31] <LaserJock> tseng: sorry no, registered Republican, voted for Bush... both times
[01:31] <tseng> my hero
[01:31] <tseng> i took a beating about Bush in #gnome-hackers yesterday
[01:31] <ajmitch> what a surprise
[01:31] <LaserJock> haha
[01:32] <tseng> all your international lefties
[01:32] <tseng> who think they have a say
[01:32] <lotusleaf> Ralph Nader in 2008!
[01:32] <Burgwork> LaserJock, you are truly on crack, but I don't hold it against you
[01:32] <tseng> Nader would be awesome
[01:32] <LaserJock> I just don't get into it much, nobody is going to convince anybody
[01:32] <tseng> I get into it
[01:32] <LaserJock> Burgwork: me neither ;-)
[01:32] <lotusleaf> tseng: I vote for Nader for President, Gov and mayor every year
[01:33] <tseng> because in Gnome there is enough of a majority for people to be comfortable saying they are undeniably right, etc
[01:33] <tseng> probably in open source in general
[01:33] <tseng> Republican == stupid, etc
[01:34] <LaserJock> tseng: well, I'm also at a state university ;-)
[01:35] <LaserJock> I remember the day afte Bush got relected
[01:35] <tseng> anyway
[01:35] <LaserJock> we had a goup meeting
[01:35] <LaserJock> you could totally tell who was on each side
[01:35] <lotusleaf> tseng: excellent article by Nader: "Error Message" Microsoft has performed an illegal function and should be shut down" http://web.archive.org/web/20041009195732/http://www.sfbg.com/nader/100.html
[01:35] <tseng> more seriously
[01:35] <tseng> McCain in 2008
[01:35] <tseng> woo
[01:36] <lotusleaf> bah
[01:36] <lotusleaf> Nader!
[01:36] <tseng> you're wasting your vote
[01:36] <LaserJock> *cough*didn't he die of old age?*cough*
[01:36] <tseng> but im sure you knew that
[01:36] <lotusleaf> tseng: just like Linus wasted his time?
[01:36] <lotusleaf> tseng: it's not a waste at all, the red/blue parlor games are the real waste of time
[01:37] <tseng> lotusleaf: linus didnt need 51% of a vote
[01:37] <lotusleaf> tseng: he didn't need contributers either?
[01:37] <tseng> sure he did
[01:38] <lotusleaf> tseng: exactly
[01:38] <tseng> Nader just takes a minimal number of votes away from the Dems
[01:38] <lotusleaf> tseng: the tv brainwashes most, so the real people who should be elected never will
[01:38] <lotusleaf> tseng: history records my vote, it does matter
[01:38] <tseng> ok :)
[01:38] <lotusleaf> tseng: sure, if you care about red/blue parlor games
[01:39] <tseng> I do
[01:39] <tseng> red or blue wins
[01:39] <tseng> green doesnt.
[01:39] <lotusleaf> tseng: Win/Apple!
[01:39] <lotusleaf> tseng: nix doesnt
[01:39] <tseng> ok well there are millions of computers
[01:39] <tseng> one president of the US every 4 years
[01:39] <tseng> still not the same
[01:39] <lotusleaf> tseng: only because we have no lennon/king of today
[01:39] <tseng> john?
[01:40] <lotusleaf> tseng: people listen to TV because there's no real speaker of the people
[01:41] <tseng> I wasnt around but "of the people" for John Lennon wasnt really voting adults
[01:41] <tseng> from the best I can gather
[01:41] <lotusleaf> tseng: no need to be around, read history
[01:41] <tseng> I watched his videos, listened to most of his music
[01:42] <azeem> (this discussions looks like it might be a candidate to move it to #ubuntu-offtopic)
[01:42] <tseng> im not moving anywhere
[01:42] <tseng> ill quit if you feel strongly
[01:42] <sistpoty> don't take the fun out of -motu ;)
[01:42] <lotusleaf> tseng: how's the weather?
[01:42] <tseng> lotusleaf: rainy and not so warm
[01:43] <LaserJock> just getting cold here
[01:43] <ajmitch> hm
[01:43] <LaserJock> has been dry and in the 90s
[01:44] <LaserJock> where is that?
[01:44] <ajmitch> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperSummitMountainView/Sponsorship of course :)
[01:50] <LaserJock> I tried to vary it
[01:51] <ajmitch> it doesn't say when sponsorship requests cut off
[01:52] <LaserJock> man, pygi sure added enough stuff
[01:52] <ajmitch> yes
[01:52] <LaserJock> I think I should have listed every package I've uploaded ;-)
[01:52] <ajmitch> haha
[01:52] <LaserJock> just to be sure
[01:53] <LaserJock> cause they might not know
[01:53] <ajmitch> I should add everythign I'm remotely interested in
[01:53] <ajmitch> ooh, I forgot zope/plone on the list ;)
[01:53] <Fujitsu> Silly people going to UDSes :(
[01:54] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: no, silly people futilely applying for sponsorship
[01:55] <lotusleaf> but alas, I haven't applied ;)
[01:55] <lotusleaf> I have eaten several habaneros whole though
[01:55] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, probably.
[01:55] <ajmitch> ok, bbl
[01:56] <Fujitsu> See ya/
[02:02] <beligum> Hi guys, I'm experiencing a strange error: if I try to build a package using pbuilder-edgy (setup like in the howto), all is well
[02:02] <beligum> if I try the same for dapper (also pbuilder), it fails between dh_install and dh_installchangelog
[02:03] <Fujitsu> What error?
[02:03] <beligum> make: *** [binary-indep]  Error 1
[02:03] <beligum> pbuilder: Failed autobuilding of package
[02:04] <Fujitsu> There's probably an error listed before that...
[02:04] <beligum> (I get a dh_install: I have no package to build too, but on pbuilder-edgy as well, so I guess that's normal)
[02:05] <beligum> Could it be that pbuilder-edgy is more tolerant regarding errors?
[02:05] <LaserJock> I wouldn't think so
[02:06] <beligum> "dh_install: I have no package to build" is the last real error message I can find, but on both builds
[02:06] <beligum> and one of them keeps on going, so I don't think that's the problem
[02:10] <beligum> anyway, I'll debug some more, thought this might be some common error, but it's likely not
[02:10] <sistpoty> beligum: my guess would be that you've got debian/control wrong
[02:10] <beligum> hm, in what way?
[02:11] <sistpoty> beligum: do you have a "Package: " entry?
[02:11] <beligum> yes
[02:11] <beligum> two
[02:11] <sistpoty> beligum: ok, was just a blind guess from me...
[02:12] <beligum> (doing a complete new/fresh build now, perhaps that's the problem)
[02:12] <beligum> no, still the same proble
[02:13] <bddebian> Heya gang
[02:13] <Fujitsu> Hi bddebian.
[02:14] <bddebian> Hello Fujitsu
[02:14] <sistpoty> beligum: oh, nice... I guess I just found a hint: are you trying to do s.th. in binary-indep but don't have any arch:all packages?
[02:14] <sistpoty> hi bddebian
[02:15] <bddebian> Heya sistpoty
[02:16] <beligum> hmm, now you mention that: I've two packages (libinstrudeo0 and libinstrudeo-dev), but both of them are "Architecture: any"
[02:16] <beligum> could that be the prob?
[02:17] <beligum> This is my debian directory: http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/libinstrudeo-0609141615/libinstrudeo-0.1.3/debian/
[02:19] <beligum> Strange it works on edgy though
[02:21] <sistpoty> beligum: yes, you build two arch:any packages, so actually binary-indep should be empty (since there is no arch:all package)
[02:30] <beligum> sistpoty: that did the trick indeed, thanks a lot
[02:30] <sistpoty> np
[02:48] <beligum> Another question, someone advised me (think it was Ridell) to install usr/lib/*.so.* for the regular library, and usr/lib/*.so to the -dev package
[02:49] <beligum> However, ScreenKast (uses this lib) fails to compile because the libfoo.so isn't present
[02:49] <Hobbsee> morning all
[02:49] <beligum> Hi Hobbsee
[02:49] <Hobbsee> hey beligum
[02:50] <sistpoty> beligum: screenkast would need to build-depend on the -dev package (and the -dev package must depend on the library package)
[02:50] <beligum> Morning over there?
[02:50] <sistpoty> beligum: so the both symlink and shared object should be available for building screenkast
[02:50] <sistpoty> hi Hobbsee
[02:50] <beligum> sistpoty: yeah, of course, stupid of me
[02:51] <Hobbsee> hi sistpoty
[02:51] <sistpoty> beligum: btw.: you can find some nice stuff in the debian library packaging guide about librarries (just google for it)
[02:51] <sistpoty> -r
[03:06] <ajmitch> Hobbsee!
[03:07] <Hobbsee> ajmitch!
[03:08] <ajmitch> how are you?
[03:11] <Fujitsu> Morning, Hobbsee.
[03:11] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: i'm okay ;)
[03:11] <Hobbsee> hey Fujitsu
[03:17] <bddebian> Damn I have got to get sistpoty to show me how he reviews packages.. Sheesh
[03:18] <sistpoty> bddebian: not too much magic involved here
[03:19] <sistpoty> bddebian: why?
[03:19] <Hobbsee> show me too
[03:19] <bddebian> sistpoty: You seem to keep catching tons of shit that I miss :-(
[03:19] <ajmitch> bddebian: experience..
[03:20] <ajmitch> keep reviewing or we'll come over there & do things...
[03:21] <lakin> bddebian: that's why reviews always have more than one person.  If anyone could learn to review and never miss anything, it'd be a different game. ;)
[03:21] <sistpoty> I basically just look at the .diff.gz first (gives some overview over all files), then check if the orig.tarball matches, build the package and look at lintian, look at the files the package installs and finally grep for copyright in the sources. not really much more
[03:21] <Fujitsu> Anybody want to review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3104?
[03:23] <bddebian> sistpoty: You said you uploaded kwin-style-hypnotista-siyah but I don't see it??
[03:23] <sistpoty> bddebian: I'm still about to upload it ;)
[03:23] <bddebian> :-)
[03:23] <bddebian> Fujitsu: What did you change?
[03:24] <sistpoty> bddebian: anything wrong with it? (I didn't start the upload yet actually)
[03:24] <bddebian> ajmitch: Go for it
[03:24] <bddebian> sistpoty: Nope, just noticed your comment :-)
[03:24] <sistpoty> hehe
[03:25] <sistpoty> up it goes
[03:26] <sistpoty> bddebian: ok, I admit I do have some magic for reviewing: http://revu.tauware.de/~sistpoty/scripts/ralf.py
[03:27] <bddebian> :-)
[03:28] <Hobbsee> sistpoty: nice!
[03:29] <sistpoty> bddebian: come on, w.o. you universe would suck!
[03:29] <sistpoty> Hobbsee: thx
[03:29] <bddebian> sistpoty: Heh, yeah right, but thanks
[03:29] <bddebian> sistpoty: If you get a sec, could you poke at gaim-libnotify?
[03:29] <ajmitch> bddebian: remind me to bring a big stick to when I meet you
[03:30] <sistpoty> bddebian: sure, give me 5 mins (need a cigarette first)
[03:30] <bddebian> sistpoty: Hmm, not a bad idea :-)
[03:30] <bddebian> ajmitch: Well I guess we'll have to never meet then ;-P
[03:31] <ajmitch> we will...
[03:33] <ajmitch> Hobbsee knows how scary I am
[03:33] <Fujitsu> bddebian, desktop/icons moved to -data.
[03:33] <Hobbsee> indeed.
[03:34] <bddebian> Fujitsu: Is that correct? ;-)
[03:37] <chillywilly> nice script sistpoty
[03:38] <ajmitch> bddebian: have you cleaned up the REVU queue yet?
[03:40] <bddebian> ajmitch: No, I told you I quit :-)
[03:41] <chillywilly> bddebian: then you'd be a slacker like me ;)
[03:41] <chillywilly> is that what it has come to?
[03:41] <bddebian> Heya chillywilly
[03:41] <chillywilly> hi
[03:44] <ajmitch> chillywilly: beat some sense into him, please
[03:45] <bddebian> Yeah chillywilly, good luck with that :)
[03:48] <chillywilly> bddebian: you're the all-singing all-dancing crap of the world
[03:49] <chillywilly> bddebian: and if you don't know where that quote came from then I shall disown you forever ;)
[03:52] <chillywilly> bddebian: you'll have to forgive me for not puting it in quotes though, my bad homie
[03:54] <bddebian> hehe
[03:54] <chillywilly> well?
[03:55] <beligum> night all
[03:55] <chillywilly> it's from a movie...
[03:55] <chillywilly> or book...
[03:55] <bddebian> Fight Club
[03:56] <chillywilly> yay, you can use google ;)
[03:56] <bddebian> D00d, I love that movie
[03:56] <bddebian> It's so freakin' twisted
[03:56] <chillywilly> just messing' witcha
[03:57] <bddebian> Uhm for some reason that newly reported bug is giving me the giggles.. ;-)
[04:00] <jsgotangco> 60494 ?
[04:01] <jsgotangco> bug 60494
[04:01] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 60494 in epiphany-browser "Tiny throbber in epiphany browser." [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60494
[04:01] <bddebian> jsgotangco: yep ;-P
[04:01] <chillywilly> lol
[04:01] <bddebian> chillywilly: Carls has ruined Hardee's man
[04:01] <chillywilly> hey there's still a hardees here in WI
[04:01] <chillywilly> ;)
[04:02] <bddebian> Real Hardee's or that Carls Jr Hardee's?
[04:02] <chillywilly> this is probably the only one around for miles
[04:02] <chillywilly> nothin but Hardees
[04:02] <chillywilly> thick burgers baby!
[04:02] <bddebian> Has the yellow star shit now right?
[04:02] <chillywilly> yes...
[04:03] <bddebian> That's Carls Jr homeboy
[04:03] <chillywilly> I don't wtf the difference is...
[04:03] <chillywilly> well I don't think a real hardees exists anymore
[04:03] <chillywilly> oh wait
[04:03] <chillywilly> there's one by work too
[04:03] <bddebian> Exactly :-)
[04:03] <bddebian> Like no more Rax :'-(
[04:03] <chillywilly> wtf is Rax?
[04:04] <bddebian> Used to be a Roast Beef place similar to Arby's but 1000x better ;_)
[04:04] <chillywilly> hey in WI we have Culvers :)
[04:04] <chillywilly> butter burgers....uuughghghghghhhhh
[04:04] <bddebian> heh
[04:05] <chillywilly> beat that ;)
[04:05] <chillywilly> that'll kill ya for sure
[04:06] <chillywilly> I ate at an in-n-out burger when I was in LA...that was interesting....that name makes me laugh too
[04:08] <bddebian> chillywilly: There is no bigger heart-stopper than the Ultimate Bacon Cheeseburger at Jack in the Box
[04:09] <bddebian> I like in-n-out burgers but their fries make me want to vomit
[04:09] <chillywilly> I thought they just had the thin mcdonalds-like fries...
[04:10] <chillywilly> oh, I really like stake and shake but the closet one is in janesville (near Madison)
[04:10] <chillywilly> that's quite a hike
[04:11] <bddebian> Steak n Shake freakin' rocks.  We don't have them here in PA :-(
[04:11] <bddebian> Of course we have cheesesteaks though ;-)
[04:11] <chillywilly> where did you move from?
[04:12] <sistpoty> ieeeeeehhhhhhhh... huge spider in here (as in really really huge) *anxious*
[04:13] <chillywilly> squish it
[04:14] <sistpoty> damn arachnophobia...
[04:14] <sistpoty> it escaped!
[04:15] <chillywilly> at least you don't have funnel web spiders like ajmitch ;)
[04:15] <chillywilly> or do you?
[04:15] <ajmitch> NZ has few spiders
[04:16] <zul> except for the one in lotr
[04:16] <ajmitch> that's a baby
[04:16] <chillywilly> ajmitch: I was looking on wikipedia and it looks like you havea number of funnel web spiders
[04:17] <chillywilly> plus I was also hoping it was a good guess because you're pretty close to .au ;)
[04:24] <chillywilly> doesn't pbuilder basically setup a chroot? Just wondering because they talk about setting up a chroot in an appendix and link to it in ch. 3....seems redundant, unless I am mistaken
[04:24] <ajmitch> yes pbuilder uses chroots
[04:24] <chillywilly> in the packaging guide that is
[04:24] <ajmitch> !packagingguide
[04:24] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources
[04:35] <sistpoty> bddebian: just looking at cmph... why is the libtool information .la no longer needed?
[04:37] <bddebian> I thought we weren't providing those anymore?
[04:38] <sistpoty> bddebian: any reason for this? (the library packaging guide says we should have them, but I'm not 100% up to date on this)
[04:42] <Fujitsu> Anybody want to second bddebian's advocation of http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3104?
[04:42] <bddebian> sistpoty: Maybe we need to ask in #u-devel.  I swore I asked there but I'm kinda brain-dead :-(
[04:43] <sistpoty> bddebian: ok, I'll ask... as I said, I'm not 100% up to date on this
[04:51] <sistpoty> Fujitsu: looking at it
[04:52] <Fujitsu> THanks, sistpoty.
[04:58] <sistpoty> Fujitsu: where can I download 9.1 of lucidlife? (the watchfile just gives me lucidlife-0.9.tar.gz)
[04:58] <Toadstool> heya everybody
[04:58] <Fujitsu> 0.9.1, you mean?
[04:58] <Fujitsu> Wait a sec...
[04:58] <sistpoty> Fujitsu: yep
[04:58] <sistpoty> hi Toadstool
[04:58] <Fujitsu> (he published it, but didn't link it, I'll give you a URL)
[04:58] <Toadstool> hey sistpoty
[04:59] <Fujitsu> http://www.icculus.org/~jcspray/LucidLife/lucidlife-0.9.1.tar.gz
[04:59] <ajmitch> yay for php
[04:59] <bddebian> Heya Toadstool
[05:00] <Toadstool> hi bddebian
[05:00] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, it's not all that great!
[05:00] <Toadstool> ajmitch: I hate php :)
[05:00] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: friday afternoon, I'm at work coding php
[05:00] <Fujitsu> Hahah.
[05:00] <Fujitsu> Toadstool, pretty much.
[05:00] <ajmitch> Toadstool: I can relate :)
[05:01] <Toadstool> heh
[05:02] <Toadstool> I wish there were more web apps developped in python...
[05:02] <LaserJock> chillywilly: there is a reason for that
[05:02] <Fujitsu> That'd be nice, Toadstool.
[05:03] <LaserJock> php doesn't make sense to me
[05:03] <LaserJock> but that could be because my only exposure to it has been trying to admin a mediawiki wiki
[05:03] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, that's your only experience? Lucky.
[05:04] <sistpoty> I've programmed php far too long. That's the reason revu is not written in it :)
[05:05] <Fujitsu> Python == good.
[05:05] <Fujitsu> Except that Launchpad is written in it. That's a downside to Python.
[05:05] <Toadstool> I was looking for some kind of web gallery using python but couldn't find any.. I ended up using a python script which generates a static xml file + some xsl/css/js/whatever magic :/
[05:05] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: I'm not a programmer
[05:05] <LaserJock> I can do a little Python and a little bit more Fortran
[05:05] <LaserJock> and today I mucked around a bit with C
[05:05] <Fujitsu> Ouch... Fortran.
[05:06] <Toadstool> heh
[05:06] <LaserJock> Fortran, the lifeblood of the sciences ;-)
[05:06] <bddebian> LaserJock: C?? W00t.  Pretty soon you'll be delving into the bowels of lisp, scheme, and brainfuck ;-P
[05:06] <Toadstool> :)
[05:06] <LaserJock> heck no
[05:06] <LaserJock> if I knew C at all I'd try to port the program I'm working on to python
[05:07] <LaserJock> as it is it is 4000+ lines of code
[05:07] <LaserJock> and I wouldn't have a prayer
[05:07] <sistpoty> Fujitsu: the debian/copyright mentions only John Spray as copyright holder, whereas various files also have Suzanne Skinner as c.h.
[05:07] <bddebian> sistpoty: Maybe he is now a she? :-)
[05:07] <Fujitsu> Hm. That's true. Those were only put there after wrote debian/copyright.
[05:08] <LaserJock> what package is this?
[05:08] <Fujitsu> *after I
[05:08] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, lucidlife.
[05:08] <LaserJock> I maintain a package for an app written by a John Spray
[05:08] <LaserJock> I think ...
[05:09] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: did you copy my debian copyright? ;-)
[05:09] <Fujitsu> Er... no.
[05:09] <LaserJock> s/debian copyright/debian/copyright/
[05:09] <LaserJock> bah, botched that
[05:10] <LaserJock> I need to learn regexp too it seems
[05:10] <Fujitsu> s/debian\/copyright/debian\\/copyright/
[05:10] <LaserJock> I have a big think "Unix Shells" book on my desk
[05:10] <LaserJock> maybe I can fake that I know shell scripting too
[05:10] <Fujitsu> I'll update debian/copyright when I get home, in about an hour.
[05:11] <sistpoty> Fujitsu: ok, apart from that it's nice!
[05:11] <Fujitsu> Thanks, sistpoty :)
[05:12] <sistpoty> bddebian: count that as +1 from me and just upload once I'm fast asleep ;)
[05:12] <bddebian> sistpoty: OK :-)
[05:15] <Fujitsu> My other upload (convertall) has been sitting in NEW for almost a week now :(
[05:15] <LaserJock> that's it? lucky ;-)
[05:15] <LaserJock> darn, I'm in a good mood this evening
[05:15] <LaserJock> this is bad
[05:15] <Toadstool> heh
[05:15] <LaserJock> I'm going to start making stupid jokes
[05:16] <Fujitsu> Oh dear.
[05:16] <LaserJock> yeah
[05:16] <Fujitsu> (I get to run away from stupid jokes, AND catch my train home)
[05:16] <LaserJock> scientist humor isn't the best :/
[05:16] <Fujitsu> Hey, my father has a PhD in aurorae!
[05:16] <Fujitsu> And now works at the Bureau of Meteorology.
[05:17] <LaserJock> so these 2 atoms were walking down the street ...
[05:17] <Fujitsu> So I'm used to scientist humour :P
[05:17] <Fujitsu> Oh dear.
[05:17] <LaserJock> and all of a sudden one looks to the other
[05:17] <imbrandon> moins all
[05:17] <Fujitsu> Morning, imbrandon.
[05:17] <LaserJock> and says "I think I lost and electron"
[05:17] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, please run away quickly.
[05:17] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, how cliched :P
[05:17] <imbrandon> heh why ?
[05:17] <Toadstool> got to check if "aurorae" is what I think it is...
[05:17] <LaserJock> the other one says, "Are you sure?"
[05:17] <Toadstool> damn non-native speakers :p
[05:18] <Fujitsu> Toadstool, plural of aurora...
[05:18] <LaserJock> and he says "Yeah, I'm positive!"
[05:18] <Fujitsu> Hahaha.
[05:18] <bddebian> Heya imbrandon
[05:18] <imbrandon> heya bddebian
[05:18] <chillywilly> oh crikey...
[05:18] <chillywilly> for the love of pete...
[05:18] <Toadstool> Fujitsu: yeah, I knew it was something like that :)
[05:19] <Fujitsu> Well, I'm off home now.
[05:19] <Fujitsu> I'll be back in about an hour...
[05:19] <Toadstool> see you
[05:19] <Fujitsu> Bye!
[05:19] <bddebian> chillywilly: problem?
[05:19] <chillywilly> silly scientist humor does that to me ya know
[05:20] <LaserJock> on a slightly related note, have any of you seen my hackergotchi on LP?
[05:20] <LaserJock> chillywilly: oh, it get's better, but I won't subject you guys to that
[05:20] <LaserJock> I'm not that cruel
[05:20] <imbrandon> LaserJock, not yet /me looks
[05:21] <imbrandon> LaserJock, /people/????
[05:21] <LaserJock> mantha
[05:21] <LaserJock> yeah, pretty dumb huh
[05:21] <imbrandon> hahah nice
[05:22] <LaserJock> everybody know what it is?
[05:22] <imbrandon> a molicule hit by a laser ? dunno lol
[05:22] <imbrandon> cant read the labels on it
[05:23] <LaserJock> well, if you remember your organic chemistry
[05:23] <LaserJock> that molecule is a meta-package ;-)
[05:23] <imbrandon> hehe
[05:23] <LaserJock> the labels are pkg
[05:23] <imbrandon> heh
[05:23] <LaserJock> so that is a meta substituded benzene ring
[05:23] <imbrandon> that is cool though
[05:24] <LaserJock> cbx33 came up with it
[05:24] <LaserJock> he's going to whip up a better version as I obviously don't have any artistic abilities
[05:24] <imbrandon> hehe it look ok to me ;)
[05:25] <imbrandon> you have it on the planet gotchi too ?
[05:25] <LaserJock> I'm not on planet
[05:25] <Toadstool> I always sucked at chemistry anyway :p that's why I chose maths/physics and then telecom/IT...
[05:25] <LaserJock> awwww
[05:25] <LaserJock> chemistry is rough, no doubt about it
[05:25] <bddebian> Toadstool: Well you could suck at everything like me :-)
[05:26] <LaserJock> only crazy people stick with it long enough to do it for a living
[05:26] <imbrandon> bwhahah LaserJock cant get away from me now ....
[05:26] <imbrandon> [22:25]  <imbrandon> add jabber laserjock@jabber.org
[05:26] <imbrandon> [22:25]  <bitlbee> User `laserjock@jabber.org' added to your contact list as `laserjock'
[05:26] <imbrandon> lol
[05:26] <LaserJock> oh no
[05:27] <LaserJock> ok, so how many of you have non-Ubuntu jabber contacts?
[05:27] <imbrandon> i have 2 non-ubuntu jabber
[05:27] <imbrandon> but tons no-ubuntu IM
[05:27] <imbrandon> contacts
[05:27] <imbrandon> ( msn mostly )
[05:27] <LaserJock> :/
[05:27] <LaserJock> raphink was making fun of me the other day
[05:27] <Toadstool> I have, er..., 54 non-Ubuntu jabber contacts
[05:28] <LaserJock> because I *only* have Ubuntu people
[05:28] <LaserJock> and no other IM
[05:28] <Toadstool> :)
[05:28] <imbrandon> heheh
[05:28] <imbrandon> goobuntutalk jabber client ;)
[05:28] <LaserJock> bddebian: phew
[05:28] <imbrandon> goobuntalk ?? heh , well it sounded good in my head
[05:29] <Toadstool> bddebian: you lucky guy :)
[05:29] <LaserJock> well, I don't text message either, which some people find weird
[05:29] <imbrandon> people rarely IM me , unless i turn on ICQ then my whole UO guild IM's at once
[05:29] <LaserJock> I *do* have a cell phone though which I though made be very high tech
[05:30] <imbrandon> man i txt 24/7
[05:30] <LaserJock> until I went to the Paris dev summit
[05:30] <imbrandon> heh i dont think mine will work outside the US
[05:30] <LaserJock> s/be/me/
[05:30] <LaserJock> sfflaw has one of the razor phones I think
[05:30] <imbrandon> yea mine is a razor, i want to get that chocolate one from version
[05:31] <imbrandon> verizon
[05:31] <LaserJock> and I'm still not sure if jsgotangco's is a phone or an mp3 player
[05:31] <Toadstool> imbrandon: depends on whether it can do GSM and uses the right frequency bands ;)
[05:31] <LaserJock> my cell phone didn't work at all
[05:31] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: its one of those star trek thingies
[05:31] <imbrandon> Toadstool, i doubt it
[05:31] <LaserJock> I had to borrow sfflaw's when my wallet got stolen
[05:32] <imbrandon> LaserJock, chocolate from verizon is the ipod / phone mix
[05:32] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: try searching for Razr V3x
[05:32] <Toadstool> imbrandon: just bought a cell phone here and I am sure it will work in Europe too
[05:32] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: "beam me up Scotty"
[05:32] <imbrandon> heh
[05:33] <LaserJock> but it's sooo expensive, I don't see how you guys can afford that stuff
[05:33] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: but mine is more like a phone/camera/mp3 thingie
[05:33] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: they're pretty cheap here
[05:33] <jsgotangco> i can get a Motorola phone here for $70
[05:33] <imbrandon> Toadstool, mine is a razor on the "cricket" service only avail in nashville tn , kansas city  mo, and reno nv
[05:33] <jsgotangco> thinner than most phones
[05:34] <LaserJock> I only got a cell phone because the phones were free and for $60 I get 2, one for me and one for my wife
[05:34] <imbrandon> so i'm thinking it wont work in EU , let alone most of the US
[05:34] <Toadstool> yeah
[05:34] <LaserJock> and she still went ballistic when I told her how much it cost
[05:34] <LaserJock> but we are cheapo grad students so...
[05:34] <imbrandon> it might WORK but i would need a new provider as i'm sure its capable but not on the service i have
[05:34] <jsgotangco> if its gsm it should roam
[05:35] <LaserJock> mine sure sucked
[05:35] <LaserJock> I'm not sure if it was a feq. thing or what
[05:35] <imbrandon> LaserJock, hahaha i payed about 250$ for mine and the chocolate ipod mix thing is about 400$
[05:35] <imbrandon> ;)
[05:35] <LaserJock> oh geeze
[05:35] <LaserJock> I splurged at Christmas and got a $120 mp3 player
[05:36] <LaserJock> I don't know
[05:36] <imbrandon> heh i got my ipod nano for fathers day, and new ones JUST came out
[05:36] <jsgotangco> i dont use anything apple
[05:36] <jsgotangco> im happy with a creative stick
[05:36] <imbrandon> LaserJock, speakin of, have you seen the new iTunes 7 ? its a MAJOR improvement
[05:36] <LaserJock> I guess if I had a "real" job ...
[05:36] <Toadstool> ok got to go... cya
[05:36] <LaserJock> imbrandon: downloaded it yesterday
[05:36] <LaserJock> cya Toadstool
[05:36] <imbrandon> l8tr Toadstool
[05:37] <LaserJock> imbrandon: meh, it plays music, just like it always has :-)
[05:37] <imbrandon> LaserJock, yea it has movies and ipod games now but what i love the most about it ( and i need to see about making a amarok plugin to do the same ) is the album art song browser thing
[05:37] <imbrandon> heh
[05:37] <jsgotangco> does amarok recognize an ipod?
[05:38] <imbrandon> jsgotangco, yup
[05:38] <LaserJock> I have a 2GB sandisk mp3 player
[05:38] <jsgotangco> how about those linux flashed ipods?
[05:38] <imbrandon> jsgotangco, amarok does the ipod and most mp3 players
[05:38] <imbrandon> jsgotangco, yup mine infact is linux based too
[05:38] <imbrandon> jsgotangco, infact it boots with a kubuntu logo ;)
[05:38] <jsgotangco> well i just use a 1GB music stick
[05:38] <LaserJock> it works fine in Windows and Linux, but OS X hates it
[05:38] <jsgotangco> i use it mostly when i do my weekly run
[05:39] <_stefan_> ok, after I'm off to bed now (I heed the warning of 24h disconnect *g*)... gn8 everyone
[05:39] <_stefan_> <- sistpoty
[05:39] <LaserJock> good night _stefan_,  I mean sistpoty ;-)
[05:39] <imbrandon> jsgotangco, here is the ipod i use to dev/test amarok with http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/misc/kubuntu_on_ipod_nano.jpg
[05:39] <imbrandon> take a look at the screen
[05:39] <jsgotangco> later
[05:39] <jsgotangco> i really dont know if those HD-based players are still good for outdoor activities, like biking and running
[05:40] <jsgotangco> and I dont think i have to run for 20hours lol
[05:40] <jsgotangco> to match the ipod's library
[05:40] <imbrandon> well the newer ipods all use cflash hdds
[05:40] <imbrandon> not moving parts
[05:40] <LaserJock> I just want something I can put pbuilder on :-)
[05:40] <imbrandon> thats a 4gig nano
[05:41] <imbrandon> hahah LaserJock there is a whole toolchain for the ipod ( arm proc )
[05:41] <imbrandon> ;)
[05:41] <imbrandon> i can ssh into mine run mpd all kinda stuff ;)
[05:41] <LaserJock> dang
[05:41] <jsgotangco> i dunno...i have a motorola Rockr E2 and it already does linux and tunes
[05:41] <imbrandon> play doom or 007 ;) mpeg movies ( its a nanno not an ipod video )
[05:41] <jsgotangco> so getting an ipod seems moot
[05:42] <bddebian> hah
[05:42] <LaserJock> while I'm in the car
[05:42] <LaserJock> eating ...
[05:42] <LaserJock> sleeping ...
[05:42] <LaserJock> ohhhh, yeah
[05:42] <jsgotangco> so having the moto phone means im always with linux whenever i go except being in the shower or sleeping
[05:42] <imbrandon> LaserJock, heh its only a 75mhz arm proc, it would take a while to build anything usefull ;)
[05:43] <LaserJock> yeah, I probably wouldn't try wxwidget2.6
[05:43] <bddebian> hehe
[05:43] <imbrandon> the easiest way is to use a linux box to cross compile for arm and copy it to it
[05:43] <imbrandon> but its DOABLE on there
[05:43] <LaserJock> some PDAs have decent processors
[05:43] <jsgotangco> imbrandon: have you seen the greephone by trolltech
[05:43] <imbrandon> yea 200 to 400 mhx range i've seen in some pda's
[05:44] <imbrandon> jsgotangco, i saw someone talking about it yesterday but i havent looked at it
[05:44] <imbrandon> hahah
[05:44] <LaserJock> s/he/he could/
[05:44] <jsgotangco> it runs qtopia phone ed
[05:44] <imbrandon> wow nice
[05:44] <jsgotangco> kernel 2.14
[05:45] <imbrandon> ip phone i'm sure , right ?
[05:45] <jsgotangco> gsm ;)
[05:45] <imbrandon> sweet
[05:45] <jsgotangco> http://www.trolltech.com/products/qtopia/phone_edition/greenphone
[05:45] <jsgotangco> there are a number of motorola phones on linux as well
[05:45] <imbrandon> man i should blog about all the "cool" things my ipod can do with linux, most dont realize or take the time to read the outdated ipodlinux wiki
[05:46] <imbrandon> yea i knew there was some but i dident know any had qt widgets for the ui
[05:46] <imbrandon> thats nice
[05:46] <jsgotangco> no the greenphone is the first to use qtopia of course
[05:47] <jsgotangco> the others use their own ui
[05:47] <imbrandon> ;)
[05:47] <jsgotangco> but that means existing qtopia developers can easily port to qpe
[05:47] <jsgotangco> ie., zaurus developers
[05:47] <imbrandon> podzilla 2 actualy looks laot like the apple origianl UI but podzilla0 ( the current stable ) is ugle looks like a cli
[05:48] <imbrandon> jsgotangco, yup
[05:48] <Laser_away> imbrandon: heah, don't be dissin' the CLI ;-)
[05:48] <imbrandon> is qyopia gpl also like the qt 4.x ?
[05:49] <imbrandon> qtopia, gah typos
[05:49] <jsgotangco> hmmm i dont remember
[05:49] <imbrandon> probably not as the first release
[05:49] <imbrandon> but might be, i should look later
[06:05] <imbrandon> ajmitch, are you at home or work ? ( wanted a little more lib help if you had the time )
[06:09] <chillywilly> bah...
[06:10] <chillywilly> it doesn't like my changelog line...
[06:13] <chillywilly> http://rafb.net/paste/results/a6cGej97.html, complains about line 5
[06:13] <chillywilly> arsechangelog/debian: error: badly formatted trailer line, at changelog line 5
[06:13] <chillywilly> dpkg-buildpackage: unable to determine source package is
[06:14] <imbrandon> did you use "dch -i -Ddapper" ?
[06:14] <chillywilly> no
[06:14] <imbrandon> thats the easiest way to make sure its not botched
[06:14] <imbrandon> erase what you did and try that
[06:15] <chillywilly> so hacking them by hand is not a good idea
[06:15] <chillywilly> ;P
[06:15] <imbrandon> heh it can be done , carefully ;)
[06:15] <chillywilly> yea, but why bother when there's a nice tool :)
[06:17] <imbrandon> just fyi, read the man for a complete list but -i is increment the version ( still needs to be manualy edited at times ) and -Dedgy or -Ddapper changes the target distro properly
[06:18] <imbrandon> i said dapper since thats what you had in the pastebin but 98% of development efferts are done on edgy atm ( and soon edgy+1 )
[06:22] <ajmitch> imbrandon: I'm at work, and working..
[06:22] <imbrandon> ajmitch, no worries i'll get if figured out
[06:22] <imbrandon> if not i'll poke you some other time ( or someone )
[06:22] <imbrandon> thanks
[06:22] <chillywilly> yea, I am just playing right now
[06:22] <chillywilly> it's not like I am going to maintain gnu hello ;)
[06:23] <imbrandon> chillywilly, hehe yea , was just lettting you know so you dident use the tool 100% blind
[06:23] <chillywilly> was already rtfm :)
[06:23] <imbrandon> would be semi funny to have gnu hello in the repo though heh
[06:24] <chillywilly> heh
[06:25] <bddebian> :-)
[06:26] <chillywilly> do you guys usually set DEBFULLNAME or DEBEMAIL?
[06:26] <chillywilly> in your shell rc file or what not
[06:26] <chillywilly> login profile file
[06:28] <bddebian> chillywilly: I don't usually but I believe some do
[06:28] <imbrandon> i usably set the email
[06:29] <imbrandon> the fullname is most of the time correct already for me
[06:29] <imbrandon> as i use the correct info in my user account
[06:30] <chillywilly> yea
[06:32] <chillywilly> do ubuntu developers keep separate changelog files or just modify the debian ones if they sync with debian?
[06:33] <imbrandon> we use the debian ones is applicable ( if its not a native ubuntu package )
[06:33] <bddebian> chillywilly: A straight sync doesn't have any Ubuntu changelog entries :)
[06:34] <chillywilly> ok
[06:38] <imbrandon> superm1, ping
[06:40] <bddebian> Ack, I gotta get to bed.  Gnight folks
[06:40] <imbrandon> gnight bddebian
[06:46] <Fujitsu> I've fixed the debian/copyright issue with lucidlife (http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3130), can somebody please have a look?
[06:49] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, give me a few to finish up what i'm working on and i'll poke it if none get ot it first
[06:49] <Fujitsu> OK, thanks!
[06:50] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, wanna do me a fast favor ?
[06:50] <Fujitsu> Of course :)
[06:51] <imbrandon> heh file sync requests ( and subscribe ubuntu-archive , not assign ) for myththemes and mythplugins ( not mythtv its a merge i'm doing now ) from debian-multimedia.org
[06:51] <imbrandon> you know how to do a sync req correct ?
[06:51] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, I've done about 50 of them :P
[06:51] <imbrandon> i'll ack it when you get them done
[06:52] <imbrandon> hehe ok
[06:52] <Fujitsu> Probably a few more...
[06:52] <Fujitsu> OK.
[06:52] <Fujitsu> Shall do :)
[06:52] <imbrandon> yea debian-mm not unstable
[06:52] <Fujitsu> OK... No Ubuntu changes in either of them?
[06:52] <imbrandon> nope just checked, but mythtv ther is , thats why i'm merging it, they both build fine
[06:52] <Fujitsu> OK. Good :)
[06:55] <Fujitsu> There's no current Ubuntu version of myththemes, is there?
[06:55] <imbrandon> no, it will hit the NEW queue
[06:55] <imbrandon> but thats ok
[06:55] <Fujitsu> OK, so my normal sync script won't work.
[06:56] <imbrandon> heh , i do them by hand ;)
[06:57] <Fujitsu> mythplugins has Ubuntu changes.
[06:57] <imbrandon> ok let me relook at that one
[06:57] <Fujitsu> 3 lots of them, in fact.
[06:57] <imbrandon> it shouldent be much as its like 3 versions behind
[06:58] <Fujitsu> Probably...
[07:05] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, ok revu advocated, get one more and them or me can upload
[07:05] <imbrandon> so you did the mythplugins ? and i'll re-look at the themes
[07:05] <Fujitsu> I did myththemes.
[07:05] <Fujitsu> mythplugins has Ubuntu changes.
[07:06] <Fujitsu> Thanks :)
[07:06] <crimsun> um
[07:06] <crimsun> are you guys actually _testing_ these binaries?
[07:07] <Fujitsu> Which?
[07:07] <crimsun> you do realise that fabbione uses mythtv, and if your package breaks his setup, HE WILL BEAT YOU?
[07:07] <imbrandon> the mythtv i {did,am}
[07:07] <imbrandon> i have it installed now
[07:07] <Fujitsu> Haha.
[07:07] <crimsun> (you think I'm joking, but I'm actually dead serious)
[07:07] <imbrandon> crimsun, yea i talked with fabbione and mdz about it before i started this
[07:08] <imbrandon> ( mdz was the old old old maintainer )
[07:08] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: have you ever met fabbione?
[07:08] <imbrandon> not irl
[07:08] <imbrandon> talked a bit on irc a few times ;)
[07:09] <imbrandon> big boy , yes ( seen pics )
[07:09] <Fujitsu> Ooh...
[07:10] <Fujitsu> Bug #60506 for myththemes, imbrandon.
[07:10] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 60506 in Ubuntu "Please sync myththemes 0.20-0.0 from debian.multimedia.org" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60506
[07:10] <imbrandon> k
[07:11] <Burgundavia> given he is italian, he probably also has a cousin that can "deal with you" ;)
[07:11] <imbrandon> heheh
[07:11] <imbrandon> true
[07:12] <Fujitsu> Haha.
[07:12] <imbrandon> no but very serouisly crimsun i have them in a chroot and all seems fine
[07:25] <nixternal> imbrandon: i got a wild hair up my *$)*#$  and i decided to try some packaging...i will link you shortly and you can tell me how bad it is?
[07:25] <imbrandon> haha ok
[07:25] <nixternal> it is going rather easy..so i am thinking it is rather bad ;)
[07:47] <superm1> Hey brandon, there might be a bug related to mythplugins that you just pulled in and synced.  I put a patch for it on REVU before you synced it.  Mythweb doesn't properly set permissions and create a config file
[07:55] <imbrandon> i dident sync it
[07:55] <imbrandon> the other two are done but not the plugins
[07:55] <imbrandon> i'm still looking them over
[07:55] <nixternal> imbrandon: should i up that to revu btw?
[07:56] <superm1> Oh ok
[07:56] <superm1> I didn't realize you didn't do the plugins yet
[07:56] <imbrandon> nixternal, that url 404's , but if you want it in ubuntu yes
[07:56] <imbrandon> superm1, btw sync onlys dont have to go on revu
[07:56] <superm1> I just saw the main package and assumed you did all of them
[07:56] <superm1> my bad
[07:56] <imbrandon> infact they shouldent
[07:56] <nixternal> http://www.buntudot.org/people/~nixternal/krename/
[07:56] <nixternal> im a moron..sorry
[07:56] <superm1> oh will the other day crimsun was saying that was the way to go about it
[07:56] <imbrandon> no JUST a sync
[07:57] <imbrandon> if there are changes required yes
[07:57] <imbrandon> then its a merge
[07:57] <superm1> oh so if there was no changes to it then no revu necessary
[07:57] <superm1> I see
[07:57] <superm1> makes sense
[07:58] <imbrandon> superm1, did you merge in all the ubuntu changes ? it dident look like it
[07:59] <imbrandon> i would be happy for you to get the current ubuntu version and the debian-mm one and make sure all the ubuntu changes that were made are incorperated ( some were by upstream it looks like but not all )
[07:59] <imbrandon> and then re upload to revu ( only mythplugins the others are taken care of )
[08:00] <imbrandon> nixternal, is theis already in ubuntu and just an update or a new package?
[08:00] <imbrandon> nixternal, and yea revu would be good but you oen webspace is ok also
[08:00] <nixternal> up'd to revu already
[08:00] <nixternal> and it is an update/new
[08:01] <superm1> I'll have to look what's on the current ubuntu changes
[08:01] <superm1> I'll match them up
[08:01] <superm1> and re-upload then
[08:01] <imbrandon> update/new ? how can it be both silly ;)
[08:01] <imbrandon> superm1, yea that would be the best way
[08:01] <superm1> Ok
[08:02] <imbrandon> nixternal, is the package in ubuntu currently ( any version ) is what i was askign , if not its new, if it is its an update ;)
[08:02] <imbrandon> but i can look
[08:02] <nixternal> it might help if i type in the right window
[08:02] <nixternal> yes
[08:02] <nixternal> sorry
[08:02] <nixternal> i was typing elsewhere ;)
[08:02] <nixternal> it is an update
[08:02] <imbrandon> ;)
[08:02] <imbrandon> hehe ok looking it over now ;)
[08:04] <Fujitsu> nixternal, it wants to be -0ubuntu1 if it's a new version.
[08:05] <imbrandon> its wrong standards version and wrong version number so far
[08:05] <nixternal> que es eso?
[08:05] <imbrandon> why did you choose -1 and not -0 ?
[08:05] <nixternal> i got the version #
[08:05] <nixternal> brainfart
[08:06] <nixternal> thats an easy fix...what about the standards version?
[08:06] <nixternal> teach me jedi mastah
[08:06] <imbrandon> what version is in unstable ?
[08:06] <Fujitsu> Set it to 3.7.2.
[08:06] <nixternal> 3.0.9
[08:06] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, I synced it a few days ago.
[08:06] <imbrandon> make sure it meets the 3.7.2 standards and change the number
[08:06] <imbrandon> Now running lintian...
[08:06] <imbrandon> W: krename source: out-of-date-standards-version 3.6.2 (current is 3.7.2)
[08:06] <nixternal> k
[08:07] <seaLne> does the .1 in the standards version make any difference?
[08:07] <crimsun> pedantically, yes.
[08:07] <imbrandon> yea is .12 isnt in debian unstable then it should be -0ubuntu1 not -1ubuntu1
[08:07] <crimsun> we should be trying not to diverge too much from Debian's source packages, however.
[08:08] <crimsun> if the S-V is being bumped, we really should be sending that info upstream.
[08:08] <seaLne> i was thinking for new packages, i can see for stuff from debian not worth bothering about
[08:08] <imbrandon> yea , actualy it would be nice for the whole package to be updated in debian if only .9 is there
[08:08] <seaLne> i was just wondering in general
[08:08] <crimsun> for Ubuntu-only packages, yes, S-V is still important
[08:09] <nixternal> imbrandon: so the 3.0.12-0ubuntu1 & standards in control set to 3.7.2 is all i needed to do?
[08:09] <imbrandon> yes ( but look over the standards and make sure nothing needs to be changed to meet 3.7.2 also )
[08:10] <imbrandon> well all i have looked at so far, heh
[08:10] <imbrandon> i havent finished ;)
[08:10] <seaLne> if a package build-deps on openssl do you need to mention it in the copyright?  i haven't found anything else that does
[08:10] <imbrandon> you have a cvs dir in the admin folder too ( not totaly wrong but good not to have )
[08:11] <seaLne> what is daemon@poleboy.de's nick?
[08:12] <Fujitsu> sistpoty.
[08:13] <nixternal> imbrandon: can i rm -rf it w/o an issue?
[08:14] <seaLne> you'd need to repackage the tgz wouldn't you?
[08:14] <imbrandon> depends on if its in the orig.tar.gz
[08:14] <nixternal> it is
[08:14] <nixternal> but that is an easy fix
[08:15] <nixternal> done
[08:15] <imbrandon> it would be good to poke upstream not to include that in the tarbal then
[08:15] <imbrandon> brb mt dew break
[08:21] <nixternal> http://www.buntudot.org/people/~nixternal/krename
[08:21] <nixternal> updated/fixed/whatever ;)
[08:22] <imbrandon> looks like you merged with an out of date version also, the last changelog entry was 3.0.9-2ubuntu1 but 3.0.9-2.1 is in the archives
[08:22] <nixternal> hmm..i grabbed from packages
[08:23] <imbrandon> brandon@voyager:~/files/devel/nixternal/krename-3.0.12/debian$ sudo apt-cache madison krename
[08:23] <imbrandon>    krename |  3.0.9-2.1 | http://192.168.1.5 edgy/universe Packages
[08:23] <imbrandon>    krename |  3.0.9-2.1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com edgy/universe Packages
[08:23] <imbrandon>    krename |  3.0.9-2.1 | http://192.168.1.5 edgy/universe Sources
[08:23] <imbrandon>    krename |  3.0.9-2.1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com edgy/universe Sources
[08:24] <nixternal> interesting
[08:24] <nixternal> i have 2 different versions...that is odd...should i rebuild against the 3.0.9-2.1 then?
[08:25] <nixternal> 3rd times a charm ;)
[08:25] <nixternal> or 3 strikes your ass is on the bench ;)
[08:25] <ubuntu-es> Announcement from my owner (gcamposm): #lug-ilo Barrapunto
[08:26] <imbrandon> umm the bot talks now? we really need to find out why its here if its gonna spam us
[08:26] <Fujitsu> Yeah.
[08:27] <Fujitsu> Somebody care to ping gcamposm and ask him what it's doing here?
[08:28] <imbrandon> i got him in a PM now
[08:30] <nixternal> W: krename source: changelog-should-mention-nmu
[08:30] <nixternal> W: krename source: source-nmu-has-incorrect-version-number 3.0.12-0ubuntu1
[08:31] <nixternal> that is all the messages now
[08:31] <imbrandon> thanks P3L|C4N0, it also awnsers to @commands like ubugtu thats another problem ;)
[08:31] <nixternal> big time difference ;)
[08:31] <imbrandon> yea the nmu stuff is not a problem for ubuntu
[08:31] <imbrandon> nixternal, ^
[08:31] <nixternal> ya
[08:31] <nixternal> ok..i uploaded back to buntu with the latest...since i already did a dput to revu..how do i update what is up there?
[08:32] <imbrandon> remove the *.upload file and re-dput it
[08:32] <P3L|C4N0> imbrandon, add mode +q for ubuntu-es
[08:32] <P3L|C4N0> +q = quiet
[08:33] <seaLne> imbrandon: what is the purpose of removing the .upload file?
[08:33] <crimsun> sponsor queue cleared.
[08:33] <Mithrandir> P3L|C4N0: why is the bot even here?
[08:33] <imbrandon> seaLne, so dput dosent care if you reupload the same version number
[08:34] <imbrandon> crimsun, wow , you rock
[08:34] <nixternal> what about the .orig.tar.gz file?
[08:34] <imbrandon> no keep that
[08:34] <nixternal> won't that get denied?
[08:34] <imbrandon> nope ( not to revu )
[08:34] <nixternal> k
[08:34] <imbrandon> depends on where your uploading but revu dont care
[08:35] <nixternal> cool..done and uploaded!
[08:35] <imbrandon> P3L|C4N0, i cant set the mode on a user ( i'm not a freenode staffer only ubuntu op )
[08:36] <imbrandon> P3L|C4N0, but why is the bot here in the first place ?
[08:36] <imbrandon> hrm or i could ....... *thinks*
[08:36] <P3L|C4N0> @part #ubuntu-motu bye, bye
[08:38] <imbrandon> P3L|C4N0, it was only a question, if there is a valid reson we'll welcome him ( as long as he dont interfear with ubugtu )
[08:38] <imbrandon> reason*
[08:39] <imbrandon> P3L|C4N0, ok i can make him quite if you want him to join again
[08:40] <seaLne> imbrandon: ah, never had a problem without deleting .upload
[08:40] <seaLne> is -f ignoring it?
[08:40] <imbrandon> seaLne, well if its a diffrent version number then dput dosent complain
[08:40] <imbrandon> possibly
[08:44] <nixternal> imbrandon: on the PackagedUpdates page, should I change the status of the krename in the gamin section?
[08:45] <imbrandon> nixternal, after its uploaded yes
[08:45] <nixternal> uploaded via you or revu?
[08:45] <nixternal> ;)
[08:45] <imbrandon> to the main archive
[08:45] <imbrandon> via me or someone ;)
[08:45] <nixternal> ok..let me do this the way i have read about in the guide
[08:45] <nixternal> haha
[08:46] <imbrandon> heh ok give me a sec to finish my email up then i'll re-look at it
[08:46] <nixternal> roger that
[09:36] <nixternal> well imbrandon since you didn't say anything, either it was good, or you passed out at the email inbox ;)
[09:37] <imbrandon> silly check your notices ;)
[09:37] <nixternal> check yours
[09:37] <nixternal> ;)
[09:37] <imbrandon> i was just looking at it
[09:38] <nixternal> it installs here and runs
[09:38] <imbrandon> looks ok from fristr glance, test building now
[09:38] <nixternal> plus i did the test build no issues, and lintian was good
[09:38] <imbrandon> first*
[09:38] <nixternal> have another mt. dew occifer
[09:58] <imbrandon> dont you love it when you get "new" spam sent from 1995 and you cant figure out wth it is in your mailbox
[09:58] <imbrandon> ( the new message )
[09:58] <nixternal> wth
[09:59] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, yup.
[09:59] <imbrandon> ignore this ( /me being lazy ) bug 60526
[09:59] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 60526 in routes "Please sync routes (universe) from unstable (main)" [Untriaged,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60526
[10:41] <dholbach> hello!
[10:43] <\sh> moins
[10:44] <\sh> is anyone running Xorg from edgy in xinerama mode, ati prop. driver?
[10:45] <\sh> the X cursor on the second display is totally borked :(
[10:45] <Hobbsee> hey dholbach
[10:45] <dholbach> heya Hobbsee
[12:09] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: hehe, are you on there?
[12:09] <Fujitsu> Nope.
[12:09] <StevenK> Hah
[12:09] <Fujitsu> Yet my bug karma has gone up at least 300 in the past 2 months...
[12:10] <Fujitsu> *300000
[12:10] <Fujitsu> And since they started counting on August 1, I should be on there somewhere!
[12:10] <Hobbsee> it's on crack, clearly
[12:17] <Bazzi> hey Hobbsee!
[12:19] <Fujitsu> Anyone want to second http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3104?
[12:21] <Hobbsee> hey Bazzi
[12:21] <Bazzi> I'm still desperate on what to do on eclipse :(
[12:24] <givre> Hi guys, i upload a package but i can't get a password to log in. 'recover' show me no text to decrypt
[12:26] <givre> don't know what's wrong, probably my key, how do you check that you have an Elgamal secondary key ?
[12:26] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: why didnt you upload Fujitsu's package?  you were the second ack.
[12:28] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, not exactly.
[12:28] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: bddebian acked, then imbrandon did?
[12:29] <Fujitsu> They were different uploads (although a whole two words changed between them)
[12:29] <Hobbsee> ah okay
[12:29] <Fujitsu> Thanks :)
[12:33] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, they were on diffrent uploads, i was the first one on that upload
[12:33] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: looks good to me.
[12:33] <Fujitsu> Yay :)
[12:33] <imbrandon> i mean i CAN upload it but someone else should ack it
[12:33] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: right.  tarball md5sum matches upstream, etc, it builds okay?
[12:33] <imbrandon> yea it all looked good ( and we're about the 4 or 5th in line to check it too ;)
[12:33] <Hobbsee> cool
[12:34] <imbrandon> so its went through many hands
[12:34] <Hobbsee> yeah, i remember seeing this before
[12:34] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, if you dont have the time i can upload, i was just waiting on a second ack
[12:34] <Hobbsee> i'm about to upload it
[12:34] <imbrandon> kk good nuf
[12:34] <Fujitsu> Thanks both of you :)
[12:35] <Hobbsee> heh
[12:36] <tseng> builds in 30 seconds here
[12:36] <thom> heh
[12:37] <thom> can banshee do internet radio stuffs? rhythmbox is buggy as hell for me
[12:37] <tseng> thom: theres a plugin for internet radio source
[12:38] <tseng> it will be packaged up next week i think
[12:38] <tseng> needs a new release
[12:38] <Fujitsu> Thankyou :)
[12:46] <imbrandon> heh /me hands tseng dome qt4.2 libs ;)
[12:46] <imbrandon> banshee needs a few of those
[12:46] <imbrandon> ;)
[12:46] <imbrandon> s/dome/some
[01:56] <Fujitsu> octplot had xlibmesa-gl-dev -> x11proto-gl-dev for Dapper... Is that still necessary for Edgy?
[01:56] <Hobbsee> yes
[01:57] <Hobbsee> xlibmesa-gl-dev is a transitional package, iirc
[01:57] <azeem> there's libgl1-mesa-dev as well
[01:57] <Hobbsee> true
[01:58] <Fujitsu> So keep the change?
[01:59] <Hobbsee> yes
[02:02] <StevenK> \sh: I read the build log.
[02:02] <StevenK> \sh: You're on your own, kiddo. :-P
[02:03] <\sh> StevenK: oh well...looks like I have to check bidi.c
[02:21] <seaLne> is universe frozen just now for knot3 aswell?
[02:21] <Nafallo> yes
[02:22] <seaLne> k
[02:22] <Nafallo> but that's really a bug :-)
[02:22] <Nafallo> the archive admins wave universe through when they sees it.
[02:22] <seaLne> i was wondering as it dosen't affect what knot3 would be :)
[02:22] <seaLne> ah
[02:23] <seaLne> anyone have time to look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3135 i've sorted the last thing anyone had a problem with
[02:49] <blaster8> hi there
[02:50] <blaster8> Is the Azureus Maintainer around?
[02:50] <Hobbsee> any revu admins around?
[02:50] <Hobbsee> dont worry
[03:57] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:57] <Bazzi> hi bddebian
[03:58] <bddebian> Hello Bazzi
[04:36] <chantra> hi, could someone tell me how to insert different copyright into a debian/copyright file pls
[04:38] <bddebian> Any text editor?
[04:40] <chantra> bddebian: lol, I meant should I say "directory xxx/ is licence under ZZZ"
[04:40] <chantra> xxx translation copyrighted by xxx@zzz ...
[04:40] <bddebian> Yep
[04:40] <chantra> okie, cool
[04:45] <chantra> bddebian: do this looks correct?
[04:45] <chantra> http://pastebin.ca/171590
[04:46] <bddebian> It looks good to me unfortunately the licensing/copyright stuff is really not my specialty :-(
[04:51] <chantra> :)
[04:51] <chantra> okie, will submit it that way
[05:14] <phanatic> good afternoon
[05:15] <Adri2000> who is daemon@poleboy.de ?
[05:17] <bddebian> Heya phanatic
[05:17] <bddebian> Adri2000: sistpoty iirc
[05:17] <phanatic> hey bddebian
[05:18] <Adri2000> hi bddebian :)
[05:19] <bddebian> Hello Adri2000 :-)
[05:19] <Adri2000> bddebian: maybe you will be able to help me, sistpoty added a comment on djplay (http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3122), just one thing, what FTBFS means ?
[05:19] <cbx33> Adri2000, failed to build from source
[05:19] <azeem> fails to build from source
[05:20] <Adri2000> ok, how can i know on which arch it fails ? because according to what i found on the djplay mailing list archives, it's a problem with x86_64
[05:21] <Adri2000> (i don't have any x86_64 and it compiles fine on my computer x86)
[05:25] <imbrandon> s/REVU Day Sept 8th//g
[05:25] <bddebian> imbrandon: Every day ir REVU day! :-)
[05:26] <imbrandon> ;)
[05:26] <\sh> ubuntu-archive@lists.ubuntu.com has to be subscribed for sync requests, right?
[05:26] <bddebian> Yes
[05:26] <bddebian> Hi \sh
[05:26] <\sh> thx
[05:27] <\sh> and hi barry :)
[05:27] <imbrandon> there we go bddebian ;)
[05:27] <bddebian> imbrandon: Beauty :-)
[05:27] <imbrandon> nice
[05:28] <imbrandon> coreduo ? hehehe
[05:28] <\sh> hope edgy will run much better on it then on the r200...and I have to submit my testreport :(
[05:28] <imbrandon> i wonder if i should submit a test report for my old ibook
[05:28] <\sh> imbrandon: yepp...1.66 Intel , 1gB ram, 100GB sata hd with 7200 rpm, ati, etc.pp
[05:29] <\sh> toshiba satellite a100 something
[05:29] <imbrandon> very cool minus the ati ;) ( i'm a nvidia geek )
[05:29] <imbrandon> ;)
[05:29] <Adri2000> so, anyone knows how can i know on which arch it FTBFS or is there a log somewhere ?
[05:29] <imbrandon> Adri2000, what ?
[05:30] <Adri2000> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3122 see the last comment
[05:30] <\sh> Adri2000: you have to believe us, some of us have amd64 at home or somewhere...and if it's ftbfsing you need to fix it, or remove 64bit archs from the build list
[05:31] <imbrandon> yup what \sh said ;)
[05:31] <bddebian> Someone needs to give me a PPC and amd64 machines! :-)
[05:31] <Adri2000> \sh: of course i believe you, but i'm not sure it is amd64, it's just a hypothesis
[05:31] <imbrandon> bddebian, i wouldent mind a faster ppc to compile on, but i have all 3 arches
[05:32] <imbrandon> Adri2000, then you'll have to ask whom left the comment
[05:32] <imbrandon> ( and find th amd64 fix )
[05:32] <Adri2000> seems that there is no fix :(
[05:32] <Adri2000> (http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=14065231)
[05:32] <geser> Adri2000: I'm currently rebuilding it on my amd64
[05:32] <imbrandon> ahh then it would be wise to remove it from building on amd64's then
[05:32] <\sh> Adri2000: it's a typical x86 to x86_64 coding error
[05:33] <Adri2000> \sh: is it easy to fix ?
[05:33] <\sh> Adri2000: yes...
[05:33] <\sh> Adri2000: the typecast from pointer to int doesn't work on 64bit archs
[05:34] <\sh> Adri2000: you need to typecast the pointer to longint (on 32 and 64bit archs), because a pointer on 64bit is 64bit and not as on 32bit only 32bit
[05:34] <\sh> Adri2000: google for "porting 32bit apps to 64bit apps on linux" there is a nice document from amd
[05:35] <Adri2000> ok, so i'll try to write a patch for that
[05:35] <\sh> Adri2000: http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/DownloadableAssets/dwamd_AMD64_Porting_FAQ.pdf#search=%22porting%2032bit%20to%2064bit%20linux%20AMD%22
[05:36] <\sh> Adri2000: yes, exchange int with longint and you are fine most of the time
[05:37] <\sh> Adri2000: and file it upstream, so upstream author can fix his mistake
[05:37] <Adri2000> yup
[05:38] <Adri2000> geser: when the patch will be ready, i'll give it you to test ok? :)
[05:39] <geser> ok
[05:47] <\sh> ok...travelling home :) laters:)
[05:52] <hub> hey \sh_away
[05:53] <Adri2000> anyone skilled in C++ ?
[05:54] <hub> me
[05:55] <Adri2000> ok, let me pastbin the code
[06:05] <Adri2000> hub: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23526 which "int" should i change with "longint" ?
[06:05] <Adri2000> s/with/to/
[06:06] <nixternal> imbrandon: http://www.buntudot.org/people/~nixternal/koverartist   <- can you check it out here? I have also up'd to revu as well..thanks... updated, old version was 0.3.2 and this is 0.4.4
[06:07] <hub> Adri2000: what is the error?
[06:07] <geser> FTBFS on 64bit archs
[06:08] <geser> error message is also available at http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=14065231
[06:09] <hub> Adri2000: simply whoever wrote that didn't know what he was doing
[06:10] <hub> storing a pointer in an int do not work
[06:12] <hub> Adri2000: it is not even a matter of having a 64-bits machine. just a matter of common sense
[06:23] <Adri2000> sorry i lag, hub: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3122 last comment, build fails on 64bits
[06:25] <hub> Adri2000: re-read my comments here
[06:26] <hub> Adri2000: broken-by-design
[06:26] <hub> casting a pointer to int is WRONG
[06:28] <Adri2000> uh?
[06:29] <thom> downright stupid if you want it to work on anything even remotely interesting
[06:30] <Adri2000> it works on x86
[06:30] <hub> Adri2000: what he said
[06:31] <hub> Adri2000: x86 has sizeof(void*) == sizeof(int)
[06:31] <hub> Adri2000: not amd64
[06:31] <hub> Adri2000: and I remember when sizeof(int) was 2
[06:31] <hub> :-)
[06:31] <hub> I rewrote large chunks of AbiWord just for that
[06:32] <hub> because our vector class took only ints or only void* (I don't remember)
[06:33] <hub> and yesterday I got a portability problem because I did cast an off_t to a 32-bit int passing by reference
[06:35] <beligum> Just packaged the ScreenKast program with the revu-pack-system and everything looks fine. I guess I should start looking for advocates?
[06:35] <Adri2000> hub: can you submit a correction on the pastebin ?
[07:09] <AnAnt> ping lionelp
[07:15] <AnAnt> this package need a second reviewer: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3086 . Anyone ?
[07:16] <AnAnt> bddebian: btw, how can I remove the autoconf generated files if they are in the .orig tarball ?
[07:19] <azeem> AnAnt: why do you want to remove them?
[07:19] <AnAnt> azeem: well, because I get a lintian/linda warning about them
[07:19] <azeem> like?
[07:20] <AnAnt> W: elinks-full source: configure-generated-file-in-source config.status
[07:20] <AnAnt> W: elinks-full source: configure-generated-file-in-source config.log
[07:20] <AnAnt> those 2
[07:20] <dholbach> have a nice weekend
[07:21] <azeem> dholbach: ciao
[07:21] <AnAnt> dholbach: aren't you a REVU'er ?
[07:21] <azeem> AnAnt: those are not autoconf generated
[07:21] <azeem> they are generated when the user runs configure
[07:21] <dholbach> bye azeem
[07:21] <dholbach> AnAnt: yes, i am
[07:21] <AnAnt> azeem: ok, they are in the .orig tarball
[07:21] <azeem> AnAnt: talk to upstream about it
[07:21] <AnAnt> dholbach: can I ask you to REVU something ?
[07:21] <AnAnt> azeem: ok, thanks
[07:22] <azeem> AnAnt: it is mostly cosmetic, no need to modify the upstream tarball because of that
[07:22] <dholbach> AnAnt: I was just about to leave
[07:22] <dholbach> AnAnt: drop me a mail and I'll look at it
[07:22] <AnAnt> dholbach: k
[07:22] <AnAnt> azeem: huh ?
[07:22] <dholbach> byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[07:22] <azeem> AnAnt: hrm?
[07:23] <AnAnt> azeem: I didn't understand the last statement, do you mean that it is not an important issue ?
[07:23] <azeem> yes
[07:23] <azeem> it is a warning, not an error
[07:23] <LaserJock> cya dholbach
[07:23] <AnAnt> k
[07:23] <azeem> AnAnt: or rather it is less important than compromising the integrity of the upstream tarball, IMHO
[07:24] <AnAnt> LaserJock: maybe I can convince you to REVU ?
[07:25] <AnAnt> LaserJock: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3086 , it needs a 2nd advocate
[07:25] <AnAnt> azeem: I see
[07:25] <azeem> AnAnt: why is the binary suid?
[07:26] <AnAnt> azeem: because it needs to be suid to work
[07:26] <AnAnt> azeem: or else it has to be run by root, but since it is to allow any ordinary user to change his VT to arabic, hence it got to have the suid
[07:27] <AnAnt> azeem: thanks for REVU'ing it btw
[07:27] <AnAnt> azeem: ok, I have to go for a while, I'll be back in about 30 mins
[08:03] <AnAnt> azeem: ok, I'm back
[08:04] <AnAnt> ping azeem
[08:07] <Adri2000> hub: ping
[08:13] <hub> Adri2000: yes?
[08:14] <Adri2000> hub: sorry, still irc connection problems, do you know how to fix the amd64 problem with the code i gave you ?
[08:14] <hub> Adri2000: without rewriting
[08:16] <Adri2000> hub: without a lot of rewriting it is not possible ?
[08:17] <hub> no
[08:17] <hub> they store pointer in int
[08:17] <hub> broken by design
[08:17] <Adri2000> ok, seems that i will have to remove amd64 arch support :-/
[08:17] <hub> and bug upstream
[08:32] <azeem> AnAnt: hrm?
[08:43] <azeem> bbl
[09:14] <Adri2000> Architecture: i386, ppc
[09:14] <Adri2000> is that ok ?
[09:14] <Adri2000> to remove just 64 bits
[09:25] <bddebian> Adri2000: Do you know that it builds on ppc?
[09:26] <Adri2000> no, not sure since it doesn't even compile on 64 bits, so i will try to make it tested by someone before uploading to revu
[09:48] <hub> bddebian: on ppc32 this should go through
[09:48] <hub> bddebian: but who knows
[09:55] <Adri2000> some powerpc users here ?
[10:14] <hub> Adri2000: my PowerBook is dead :-(
[11:02] <bddebian> Later gang
[11:02] <Adri2000> bye bddebian
[11:16] <superm1> Hey guys, what's the proper process for syncing from a 3rd party repo for a package that we don't have in universe yet?
[11:16] <superm1> should it go into revu?
[11:16] <tseng> yes
[11:17] <superm1> and just notate in the changelog where its synced from and such right?
[11:17] <tseng> not really
[11:18] <tseng> i would empty the changelog and says * Initial upload
[11:18] <tseng> it wasnt in Debian or Ubuntu
[11:18] <superm1> okay then
[11:18] <superm1> but further updates would be pulled from this repo probably.
[11:19] <tseng> if thats the case then you should work with the maintainer of this repo
[11:19] <tseng> to join ubuntu or work via a sponsor
[11:19] <tseng> if you arent interested to maintain the package you shouldnt post it to revu
[11:19] <superm1> oh I'd be glad to
[11:19] <superm1> I didn't realize I could be given that status
[11:20] <tseng> you certainly could continue adding revisions to revu
[11:20] <tseng> and even become a MOTU yourself
[11:20] <tseng> if you want to, you can do it :)
[11:20] <superm1> okay then I'll check later on to make sure its clean in an edgy pbuilder
[11:20] <superm1> hehe oaky
[11:20] <tseng> ok.
[11:20] <superm1> *okay
[11:58] <superm1> Hey tseng, I contacted the person in charge of the third party repo.  He said that it's been pulled up to debian unstable recently.  Can we pull from there now then instead?
[11:59] <tseng> yes
[11:59] <tseng> you want to file a sync request bug
[11:59] <superm1> okay even though we don't have a package name for it then?
[11:59] <tseng> "please sync foo x.y.z"
[11:59] <tseng> what do you mean we dont have a package name
[12:00] <superm1> well the source package name isn't in launchpad
[12:00] <tseng> yes
[12:01] <superm1> should I add any specific MOTU's on it ?
[12:01] <tseng> no
[12:01] <tseng> subscribe ubuntu-archive
[12:02] <superm1> k
[12:02] <tseng> a motu will have to ACK it
[12:04] <superm1> okay thanks again, added.
[12:04] <tseng> cool