=== BenC [n=bcollins@72.169.114.90] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pygi [n=pygi@89-172-201-4.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Harti [n=Harti@unaffiliated/harti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === CameronBergh [n=cameron@c-24-22-122-59.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [12:32] neuralis: pong === CameronBergh [n=cameron@c-24-22-122-59.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === givre [n=flo@APuteaux-152-1-60-173.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:41] mjg59: ping === mbiebl [n=michael@dslb-084-056-234-182.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:45] HiddenWolf: Hi [12:46] mjg59: I'm unsure if my bug is valid, seems my usplash.conf was set to 1680x1680, upgrade issue. Wondering if I should close it. [12:47] HiddenWolf: Which bug was that? [12:47] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/usplash/+bug/59651 [12:47] Malone bug 59651 in usplash "usplash does not come up after dapper-edgy upgrade" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] [12:48] HiddenWolf: Hm. The fact that you had that in usplash.conf is still a bug === spacey_ [n=herman@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:48] What resolution is your screen? [12:48] mjg59: 1920x1200 under X. [12:49] HiddenWolf: And what do you have in usplash.conf now? [12:50] mjg59: manually edited to 1280x900. Will reboot in a sec to see, Seveas says it should fix things. [12:52] HiddenWolf: It ought to be set to your X config [12:53] Name: xserver-xorg/config/display/modes [12:53] Template: xserver-xorg/config/display/modes [12:53] Value: 1680x1680, 1600x1200, 1280x1024, 1152x864, 1024x768, 800x600, 720x400, 640x480 [12:53] I guess that's it [12:53] I've edited xorg.conf to only include 1920x1200 24bit. [12:56] (HiddenWolf, I never said it would fix it, but it just might) === givre [n=flo@APuteaux-152-1-60-173.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [12:57] Seveas: call me an optimist. [12:58] I'll reboot, check, be right back === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.97.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:01] Right, that was not it. [01:03] I'd rather not have it end up being another vague bug for eternity. :) === pygi [n=pygi@89-172-204-180.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:09] madduck: found a bug already on launchpad. added my comments. Would be nicer to ahve a newer mdadm for edgy too [01:11] mjg59: we should be using /etc/X11/xorg.conf, not xserver-xorg/config/display/modes; I have a partial patch for that but had to shelve it due to being stymied by a kernel bug [01:11] parsing xorg.conf from the postinst is pretty nasty but possible [01:11] Kamion: Ok [01:11] but relying on the debconf database there is wrong, IMHO === givre [n=flo@APuteaux-152-1-60-173.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:18] Kamion: do you think you'd have time to take a look at edubuntu-menus in NEW? [01:18] damn, the xorg via drive is broken in edgy :/ [01:18] *driver [01:19] this thin client works with a dapper ltsp chroot ... but braks with edgy [01:19] *breaks [01:20] madduck: another serious problem I have is if I have /dev/md0 as root (raid 1 - /dev/hda1 /dev/hdb1) and i remove a /dev/hda1 and reboot. then plug the disk back in and reboot, i get errors within "initramfs" mdaadm: failed to add /dev/hdb1 to /dev/md0: Invalid argument. [01:20] hmm, looks like its the same issue as bug 57329 [01:20] Malone bug 57329 in xorg-server "upgrade to latest xorg has stopped my CLE266 from working" [Medium,Fix released] http://launchpad.net/bugs/57329 [01:20] madduck: this problem is caused from mdadm via mdrun [01:21] LaserJock: deleting the shipped groups on prerm upgrade seems wrong [01:21] that'll cause problelms [01:21] problems [01:22] Kamion: hmm, so would it be better to leave them? I wondered that myself [01:22] LaserJock: on upgrade, I think you should leave them, although you'll have to work out what to do if you ever remove/rename groups [01:22] LaserJock: speaking of which, I'm concerned that the group names are rather generic [01:22] "basic" for instance" [01:23] mhm [01:23] could those be namespaced maybe? edubuntu-basic? [01:23] could we use some sort of prefix? [01:23] yeah [01:23] sounds cool [01:23] because I would like to seperate them out because they have a specific purpose [01:25] another thing I'm a little concerned about is chgrp/chmoding files that are shipped in the .deb [01:25] k [01:25] dpkg-statoverride might be better for that, although it's really meant for administrator use so maybe not [01:25] why mode 640? [01:26] because the menu works via group ownership of the .menu files [01:26] oh, it tests readability? [01:26] yeah, so you only see .menu files that are readable by you [01:27] oh, hmm, from the looks of things it can't be anything else [01:27] the first implementation I worked on was much more complicated [01:27] well, you should probably ship them mode 640 and override the lintian warnings [01:27] ok [01:28] dpkg-statoverride would at least mean that logins during an upgrade wouldn't get groups they weren't supposed to [01:28] at present you have a window between unpack and configure where everything will be set back to world-readable [01:28] or, if you ship them mode 640 in the .deb, where nobody will be able to read any of the groups [01:29] since dpkg honours statoverrides internally, you can use that to override the menu file group without that window [01:29] I'd like the group names and the prerm upgrade issue to be sorted out before I accept the package, since those have upgrade implications [01:30] the rest can be handled more at your leisure, I think [01:30] sorry for taking a while to look at this [01:30] yes, that makes sens [01:30] thanks for the review :-) [01:31] oh, also: [01:31] lp_archive@drescher:/tmp/cjwatson/queue/edubuntu-menus-0.1$ head -n2 debian/postinst | tail -n-1 [01:31] # postinst script for willowng [01:31] lp_archive@drescher:/tmp/cjwatson/queue/edubuntu-menus-0.1$ head -n2 debian/prerm | tail -n-1 [01:31] # postrm script for willowng [01:31] ah darn ;-) [01:32] Kamion: ok, so do I need to bump the version or anything on the next upload? or does the reject clean the slate? [01:34] LaserJock: the latter, although a version bump may be helpful for your own records [01:34] yeah, thanks so much [01:34] if you do bump the version, please use dpkg-buildpackage's -v option to include all the changelog entries in the .changes file [01:34] ok, good idea === lbm [n=lbm@0x50a1ee0c.unknown.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:01] mdz, i stole the initramfs-tools code from debians 0.73 ... but i apparently missed the second (copy_exec) part of it i'll look into it tonight from the hotel or tmorrw (they are wrapping up here) === haggai [n=halls@i-83-67-59-194.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel === givr1 [n=flo@APuteaux-152-1-58-151.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong draws Circles on the floor and sprinkles salt.... === jdong puts 5 Candles in circle and draws lines.... [02:26] i saw this on blue peter [02:27] hmm, guess it doesn't work for me :-( [02:27] BenC: ping [02:27] don't forget to use the fairy liquid bottle [02:27] jdong: pong [02:27] yeh, what's that pong! [02:27] BenC: hibernate has regressed on my laptop in edgy since the 2nd kernel [02:27] by that I mean 2.6.17-7 [02:27] jdong: Please try the next kernel that I am upload this weekend, which should fix it [02:28] BenC: cool [02:28] *uploading [02:28] [17179755.084000] suspend_device(): usb_generic_suspend+0x0/0x130 [usbcore] () returns -16 [02:28] [17179755.084000] Could not suspend device 5-8: error -16 [02:28] [17179755.084000] Some devices failed to suspend === jdong marvels at his new summoning technique..... === jdong puts it as an xchat script === wasabi__ [n=wasabi@207.55.180.150] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomB| [n=ownthebo@ACD7878F.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:33] http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS8278035161.html [02:33] HA! [02:33] IT IS THE HANS REISER [02:33] and you guys thought I was nuts! [02:34] of course it is [02:34] the very first news report mentioned his job [02:35] lifeless: not the first one I found [02:35] from news.cbs5.com.... [02:35] that one just said "software programmer" [02:35] yeah that one, they updated it [02:35] oh, :) [02:35] shortly after, added a big rebuttable from him [02:35] about some guy drugging and doing BDSM to his wife [02:35] anyhow, #offtopic [02:36] man, what would it be like married to hans reiser..... [02:36] hmm [02:36] fabbione: i've installed the new mdadm etc but the system still will not boot with UUID in grub. if i change it to /dev/md0 the system will boot [02:38] jdong: fwiw: http://cbs5.com/topstories/local_story_256204954.html [02:39] lifeless: thx, that article definitely got longer :P === [jb] [n=juliano@c-71-204-5-104.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=rudi@p508D88B1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fsmw [n=Fernando@81-59-50.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomB| [n=ownthebo@ACD7878F.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === givre [n=flo@APuteaux-152-1-88-27.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AlinuxOS [n=alinux@d83-184-245-165.cust.tele2.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:37] Howdy folks === givre [n=flo@APuteaux-152-1-88-27.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === jrib [n=jasonr@c-71-232-45-169.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === beuno [n=martin@200.127.179.37] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-120-239-162.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === johnmorr [n=jwm@boost.horde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-120-239-162.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-120-239-162.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm120.omega23.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono [n=jono@88-107-5-110.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-devel === irvin [n=ipp@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel === theCore_ [n=alex@modemcable106.200-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel === CameronBergh [n=cameron@h-67-101-0-139.sttnwaho.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AlinuxOS [n=alinux@d83-184-245-165.cust.tele2.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua_@122.0.229.205] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=rudi@p508D82A1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bronson [n=bronson@c-71-198-75-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dsas [n=dean@host217-42-227-237.range217-42.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm120.omega23.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel === micahcowan [n=micah@adsl-69-236-99-89.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:58] Is there a reason why the automerge argument to apt-get isn't documented, either in --help or in the manpage? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/bash/+bug/60666 is a request to add the option to autocomplete, but I don't want to confirm it if there's a /reason/ it's not documented... [06:58] Malone bug 60666 in bash "New option in bash could use updated completion" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] [06:59] buzzen: did you update your initramfs? === dsas [n=dean@host217-42-227-237.range217-42.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kristog [n=ballio@energ63.energ.polimi.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dsas [n=dean@host217-42-227-237.range217-42.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === snow4x [n=johnatha@60.234.135.12] has joined #ubuntu-devel === snow4x [n=johnatha@60.234.135.12] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === bod [n=bod@debian/developer/bod] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:10] elmo: about? [08:12] my rsync login to syncproxy seems to be broken === cypher1 [n=cypher1@59.92.193.144] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cypher1 [n=cypher1@59.92.178.210] has joined #ubuntu-devel === imbrandon yawns [09:08] moins all === hunger_ [n=tobias@p54A6340C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm120.omega23.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomB| [n=ownthebo@ACD7878F.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kristog [n=ballio@energ63.energ.polimi.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomB| [n=ownthebo@ACD7878F.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === simira [n=simira@tellus.err.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:43] bugger, no keybuk [09:43] mdz: are you still awake? === TomB| [n=ownthebo@ACD7878F.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel === philwyett_ [n=philip@80-195-142-67.cable.ubr02.wiga.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === philwyett [n=philip@80-195-142-67.cable.ubr02.wiga.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === quail [n=quail@unaffiliated/quaillinux/x-000001] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@p54A6340C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gardengnome [n=laga@217.160.107.117] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:45] hi there :) i hope this is the right channel. i'd like to build a mythtv distro based on ubuntu. it would be cool if i could create my own seeds to make sure i only get the packages i need. i've alreasy found germinate and i'm wondering if it will also download all needed packages or if i'll have to have a local ubuntu mirror in order to create a CD image. [10:46] gardengnome: you need to have a local mirror. [10:46] (and you want it too, you're going to rebuild images quite a few times) [10:48] ok, looks like debmirror will get to use some bandwidth then. :) i'm also wondering how i'd make the Cd image itself. i've found references to a version of debian-cd patched by the ubuntu team. should i use that or is there some nifty tool i haven't found yet? [10:51] we're using debian-cd [10:52] thanks a lot! this is going to be fun :) [10:52] while some of the CD people might be around during weekends, weekdays are usually better. [10:52] jfyi. :-) [10:53] Mithrandir: thanks. but i don't want to annoy you guys too much so i'll try to find out as much as possible on my own [10:54] gardengnome: as long as the person asking questions have tried to research on his own first and asks sensible questions, they're not annoying. === lukketto [n=lukketto@host78-154-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === UbuntuFan [n=sam@219-89-18-72.dialup.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === UbuntuFan [n=sam@219-89-18-72.dialup.xtra.co.nz] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.105.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === UbuntuFan [n=sam@219-89-18-72.dialup.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:03] Will Ubuntu take over Microsoft Windows [11:03] ? [11:06] hi [11:11] UbuntuFan, this is the development channel, not for that type of disscussion, i'm sure someone would be more than happy to talk with you about it in #ubuntu [11:12] or even #ubuntu-offtopic [11:13] Rock on =) [11:15] I hate a development question [11:15] have* [11:15] may I. === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkigw7-fe10f900-10.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:16] Q-FUNK, Sup brutha? [11:16] it's Mark. Am rounding up the Art team to bring out the bling bling! [11:17] oh :) [11:17] How are you man? [11:17] hm... not much. still walking circles around 3 different countries' immigrations just to get around starting a company. [11:18] citizenship (or lack of) prevents everything. [11:18] oh ok. Good luck mate. [11:18] Very true...let me know if I can donate and help!! [11:18] thats what I'm about, giving back. [11:18] =) [11:19] plenty of brilliant business ideas, some of which have been in the planning stage for several months. all blocked becuase EU countries discourage outsiders. [11:19] EU grrrr... [11:19] I feel for you man. [11:19] ...althoguh it has to be said that their definition of outsider is... silly. I've been here for nearly 9 yeas, dammit [11:19] Anything I can do to help [11:19] let me knwo [11:19] know even. [11:21] anyhow... I was just wonderng, who is responsible for packaging the firefox language packs? the firefox 2.0b2 upgrade breaks because language packs don't match. [11:22] imbrandon is .... [11:22] hes here i think === giftnudel [n=mb@p54B2C402.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:22] erm. probably not much. it's all political and all in finland's hands. I jsut need one country somewhere to acknoeledge how long I've been here and grant me citizenship. [11:22] giftnudel, welcome it's mark here just slipped in from outta space..to see that sad look upon ure face. [11:23] UbuntuFan, no i'm not responisable for firefox, and can you please take non development disscussion to #ubuntu-offtopic [11:23] Q-FUNK, whats the problem? [11:24] imbrandon: parsing errors in chrome://browser/content/browser.xul for non-C locales [11:24] afaik caused by slight changes in the UI between beta1 and beta2 [11:24] imbrandon, I am sorry. but you gotta admit that was pretty funny. === twilight_ [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has joined #ubuntu-devel === UbuntuFan [n=sam@219-89-18-72.dialup.xtra.co.nz] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [11:26] imbrandon: or well, is this generally a good channel to report bugs in edgy, since we are so close to releease? === twilight_ is now known as twilight [11:26] Q-FUNK, normaly this is ok or #ubuntu+1 or LP but right this very second i'm trying to take care of another issue, give me just a few minutes [11:27] sure. np :) [11:27] fabbione: yes [11:31] fabbione: ok... i thought i had. but maybe not ? :/ [11:32] fabbione: just redid it and now its working :-) shouldnt the mdadm install script run it though ? [11:32] buzzen: it should.. i will check why it didn't [11:35] this sort of solves this bug then https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/mdadm/+bug/60623 since thats based on wrong ordering of mdx devices. although mdrun still has some problems. [11:35] Malone bug 60623 in mdadm "Upgrading mdadm package is impossible - can't upgrade while raid arrays active" [Untriaged,Confirmed] [11:35] see this bug: https://launchpad.net/bugs/38438 [11:35] Malone bug 38438 in mdadm "boot confused after stopping array" [Medium,Confirmed] [11:35] oops. wrong one. [11:36] i mean this one: https://launchpad.net/bugs/60646 [11:36] Malone bug 60646 in initramfs-tools "Unable to boot with degraded array" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkigw7-fe10f900-10.dhcp.inet.fi] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [11:38] fabbione: it's also not possible to upgrade to madm normally: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/mdadm/+bug/60623 [11:38] Malone bug 60623 in mdadm "Upgrading mdadm package is impossible - can't upgrade while raid arrays active" [Untriaged,Confirmed] === vincent_ [n=vincent@85.69.101.147] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:39] buzzen: yes i am reading.. give me a break.. it's the same bug you pasted 10 lines above [11:40] fabbione: yes sorry that was an accident. [11:41] fabbione: I pasted the wrong bug and didn't realise it was also a related one. [11:42] i will look into that on monday [11:42] sure [11:42] thanks [11:42] it needs a bit too much work for me to trash my weekend [11:42] there is a fix in debian according to madduck [11:42] yes i read in the bug [11:42] but jumping to 2.5 is not an option [11:42] aah ok.. i wrote it. (i just got up) [11:43] we need to backport the fix [11:43] shame :/ [11:43] 2.5 would be nice [11:43] buzzen: we are at about 1 month from release. i don't want extra bug coming in with 2.5 [11:43] it will be in edgy+1 === Harti [n=Harti@unaffiliated/harti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:45] buzzen: also.. the bug is not in mdadm userland itself.. it's a bit more complicated compared to what you write in the bugs [11:46] the kernel should be sending a udev event on raid creation and apparently it doesn't [11:46] that result in udev requiring a manual kick [11:46] and that can only happen from mdadm in userland [11:48] ok === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@152.207.103-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lbm [n=lbm@0x50a1ee0c.unknown.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:10] does anybody remember what's the canonical way to enable compiz?` [12:11] iirc there was something in the menus, but i can't find it [12:11] fabbione: compiz --strict-binding --indirect-rendering --replace & gnome-window-decorator --replace& [12:11] works for me [12:11] Treenaks: let's give it a shot === nags [n=nags@61.246.49.43] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:14] apparently it doesn't like nvidia [12:15] it doesn't.. yet === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:15] nvidia doesn't have some GL extension yet [12:15] hmmm [12:16] GL_texture_from_pixmap I guess ;) [12:16] compiz is a wrapper [12:16] giftnudel: something like that :) [12:16] yeah that one === mbiebl [n=michael@dslb-084-057-255-254.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:16] fabbione: this is a driver problem, rumors say it will be fixed in the next driver release [12:16] ahhh [12:16] no [12:17] it's the wrapper that is wrong [12:17] or better [12:17] hey all [12:17] nvidia-glx does something wrong with divert [12:17] it LD_PRELOADs crap [12:17] EEK === Treenaks scared now [12:17] and it points to the wrong lib [12:17] still, the extensions is probably still missing [12:17] no actually no [12:19] the wrapper is correct [12:19] so what driver do you use for that to work? [12:19] nv ? === kagou [n=kagou@84.5.173.178] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:20] afaik only ati and intel work atm [12:20] and maybe bits of via [12:20] (as nv doesn't do dri..) [12:22] humpf [12:25] ok this just can't work === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:27] fabbione: do you have a laptop with an intel chipset? === kristog [n=ballio@energ63.energ.polimi.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:27] it works quite well on those [12:28] giftnudel: no i don't === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:37] Mithrandir: I'm surprised Xubuntu worked well enough for knot-3 - its seeds were still pointing at the old kernel version [12:37] I've merged the seeds now ... === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm61.omega22.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel === givre [n=flo@APuteaux-152-1-85-133.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:53] raphink: Why does ichthux-artwork-usplash conflict with kubuntu-artwork-usplash? Why not just give the usplash a different file name and register the alternative as usual? [12:53] Kamion: yes, I agree [12:53] Kamion: I yet have to find out how to give it another name [12:54] this is something I planned to look at this week-end since it was already reported to me [12:54] :)= [12:54] thanks for pointint it though :) [12:54] s/pointint/poinging [12:54] pointing [12:54] raah [12:54] ;) [12:54] is that hard? just install it as ichthux-splash.so rather than kubuntu-splash.so and edit the maintainer scripts [12:54] Kamion: yes I guess it's just changing the name in the makefile [12:54] I have to test === dsas [n=dean@host217-42-227-237.range217-42.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:54] I'd rather not accept it until that's done since mistakes in alternatives often have complicated upgrade implications [12:55] sorry for the delay in reviewing [12:55] alright Kamion :) [12:55] no problem [12:55] are you ok with ichthux-meta ? [12:55] the conflict with kubuntu-default-settings is also a bit nasty [12:55] well no there's no choice for this one [12:55] if that can be avoided, it would be good, although I don't think so many alternatives are involved there [12:55] oh, how come? [12:55] becaue of the way kubuntu patches KDE [12:56] unless we patch kdelibs to add /usr/share/ichthux-default-settings in addition to /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings [12:56] but that would mean patching a main package for ichthux so I don't think this is a great idea [12:56] ichthux-meta should be updated to the current way *-meta is done [12:56] Kamion: ok I'll have a look at the new way :) [12:56] with an update that just uses germinate-update-metapackage, and an update.cfg pointing to your seeds [12:56] alright :) [12:56] it would also be a good idea to update the seed dist to edgy :-) [12:56] Thankyou Kamion :) [12:56] I had just used the Dapper way so far [12:57] hehe [12:57] unless it's not used I guess [12:57] Kamion: for ichthux-default-settings, I see two options as I said: [12:57] 1) conflict with kubuntu-default-settings [12:57] 2) patch kdebase [12:57] or maybe there could be a third [12:58] 3) make it possible for derivatives to add their path as a setting in kde [12:58] are you doing all the *-meta bits in your seeds now, or are you still manually patching stuff? [12:58] raphink: ok, never mind for now then [12:58] it looks like you were manually patching dependencies at one point, which is a bit suboptimal [12:58] Kamion: in Ichthux 6.09 I had some manual patches because there were packages not in Ubuntu [12:58] but for Edgy we want to put all the packages in Ubuntu and thus only use edgy seeds [12:59] you could probably solve that by grabbing all the Packages and Sources files and catting them together for germinate [12:59] even without them all in Ubuntu [12:59] hmmm [12:59] well I wanted to use the existing code in ubuntu-meta and not patch it too much [01:00] nod [01:00] so it was rather hard to add support for multiple repositories as it was [01:00] to me at least ;) [01:00] anyway, not much to be actually unhappy with in ichthux-meta, just comments about how to improve it [01:00] I'd prefer to wait until ichthux-default-settings is ready though [01:00] thank you Kamion I appreciate it [01:01] alright I'll be working on this asap then :) [01:01] Fujitsu: np, I don't have enough time this weekend to clear out the whole queue but I thought I'd do a bit of it while I was doing a sync for myself anyway [01:01] as for superkaramba-theme-losungen there's an issue with it Kamion [01:01] Yeah, thanks :) [01:01] so please ignore it if you come over it [01:01] :s [01:01] we discovered this issue a few hours ago [01:01] raphink: do you want it rejected? [01:02] Kamion: for now, yes :( [01:02] I'd love to have it but the texts it uses are not free [01:02] :( [01:02] we're trying to see if we can port it to use libsword instead [01:02] but it might not be easy [01:02] so for now, just reject it === givre [n=flo@APuteaux-152-1-85-133.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [01:03] ok, rejected, thanks for the note [01:03] do try to have debian/copyright match the actual licence ;-) [01:03] Kamion: since we plan to release ichthux 6.10 within Edgy 6.10 (i.e. same release schedule from now on) do you think I could add our specs to ubuntu's somehow? [01:04] raphink: you'd probably have to ask #launchpad about technical details; that said, I think it might be easier from a scheduling point of view if they were separate === givre [n=flo@APuteaux-152-1-85-133.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:05] so that you can target specs to milestones freely without having to get Ubuntu drivers to do it [01:05] oh yes I see [01:05] ok [01:05] good point :) === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:06] hey guys :) [01:06] Hi zyga. === kent [n=kent@82.145.136.38] has joined #ubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=sebi@ppp-82-135-82-91.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@17.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === herzi [n=herzi@pD9E2B7F2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:20] Kamion, sorry about that dodgy geda-gschem shouldn't-have-been-a-sync... I must have missed that went I went through all the *geda*... :( === lukketto [n=lukketto@host84-83-dynamic.57-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:36] Fujitsu: you test built the geda-gschem package? [01:36] Hobbsee, yes. === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:38] Fujitsu: ahh...it's deps are waiting to be built [01:38] Hobbsee, yes. [01:38] that's a pity [01:39] it looks sane === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:40] I hope it is.. [01:40] Kamion: oh well, I just did as janimo asked me to do.. === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === pef [n=loic@ubuntu/member/pef] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:48] on the http://ubuntu.com/testing/knot3 page, there is still the message about knot3 not being released (which according to the topic seems wrong) [01:49] And there are no announcements on lists yet... [01:50] oh, funny, I thought this was done yesterday [01:52] Thankyou Hobbsee :) [01:52] Fujitsu: :) === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@ip70-171-62-28.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:06] pitti: you changed bug 32343 to fix committed in dapper, does that mean the packages are already in dapper and need time to sync to the mirrors? [02:06] Malone bug 32343 in gutenprint "printer Epson Stylus DX4850 does not work properly" [High,Fix released] http://launchpad.net/bugs/32343 [02:08] giftnudel: it's likely fixed in edgy [02:08] giftnudel: but check launchpad [02:08] well, this is a serious bug for users of that printer, it should be fixed in dapper too [02:09] which then has the potential to break other things. see !releases [02:10] Hobbsee: well, I just don't like the "it's fixed in edgy, please upgrade" mentality, since dapper is supported, but I still get your point ;) === Administrator is now known as administrator [02:11] giftnudel: supported, ie, security fixes, yes. new features which bring in new bugs? no. that's what the development release is for [02:11] Hobbsee, look at the bug report. Pitti created a task specifically for Dapper, and marked it as committed... [02:12] ah okay. i didnt check that sorry [02:12] Yeah, it's a little odd.. [02:12] Happy SFD! [02:12] Just, jsgotangco :) [02:13] my new printer works with this update completely with open drivers, so this is really a good SFD day! [02:13] Mithrandir: do you have a list of known issues for knot3 yet? its acting completely flakey on 64-bit [02:14] tseng: what part of it is? [02:14] Mithrandir: i originally installed a 32-bit dapper cd [02:14] Mithrandir: gnome, ubiquity [02:14] Fujitsu: can you add the debian --> ubuntu debdiff of kvdr please? (and in all future merges) - it's useful to have both. [02:14] tseng: hmm. [02:14] Hobbsee, OK, shall do. [02:14] tseng: I don't know of any "known issues page", but maybe there's something under EdgyEft/Knot3/? [02:14] Mithrandir: also if i plug/unplug power the entire thing hangs [02:14] i looked at the wiki page === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-devel === philwyett [n=philip@80-195-142-67.cable.ubr02.wiga.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:16] Hobbsee, done. [02:16] ill try a dapper cd and see what happens === winkle [i=winkle@suiko.acc.umu.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:17] Fujitsu: thanks === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:39] Hobbsee: committed != released [02:40] pitti: true. my error for not checking the bug report first. === rraphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === givr1 [n=flo@APuteaux-152-1-19-130.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:03] fabbione: do you own ubuntulog? === KaiL [n=KaiL@p548F52B2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Ptit_Mouss [n=Ptit_Mou@cha51-2-82-244-211-186.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === philwyett [n=philip@80-195-142-67.cable.ubr02.wiga.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === geser [n=michael@dialin110115.justdsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === givr1 [n=flo@APuteaux-152-1-19-130.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [03:17] Another day, another fucking annoyance. I have to get my room sprayed, get a shower, get coated in this weird goo, then leave it on for hours while I feel all icky. [03:17] Plus I had to clean my room yesterday [03:19] mdz: ping [03:27] bluefoxicy: hey dude, off topic. === Arador [n=dcg@80.103.2.28] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:33] watch language too === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === kent [n=kent@82.145.136.38] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=rudi@p508D82A1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === giftnudel [n=mb@p54B2C402.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mat [n=mat@igoan/mat] has joined #ubuntu-devel === givre [n=flo@APuteaux-152-1-19-130.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ScottK [n=kitterma@static-72-81-252-22.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:53] has anyone here created an Ubuntu image for s3 ECC? === j_ack [n=rudi@p508D82A1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:55] s3 eec? 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[07:16] stuff as far back as 02 July 2006 is being delivered to me NOW [07:22] alex-weej: someone did some moderator work [07:23] alex-weej: which hadn't been done for some time === givr1 [n=flo@APuteaux-152-1-72-79.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:30] Treenaks: fair play === cypher1 [n=cypher1@59.92.132.137] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomB [n=tomb@host217-44-1-35.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pygi [n=pygi@89-172-203-55.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === holzmodem [n=holzmode@dslb-084-060-199-233.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === johanbr [n=j@d154-20-236-61.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cassidy [n=cassidy@138.130-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono [n=jono@88-107-5-110.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === culix [n=culix@unaffiliated/culix] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _TomB [n=tomb@host217-44-1-35.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pygi [n=pygi@89-172-199-106.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Harti [n=Harti@unaffiliated/harti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kagou [n=kagou@84.5.173.178] has joined #ubuntu-devel === geser [n=michael@dialin104053.justdsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Arador [n=dcg@80.103.0.104] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomB [n=tomb@host217-44-1-35.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === givr1 [n=flo@APuteaux-152-1-72-79.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === cassidy [n=cassidy@138.130-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nictuku [n=yves@ubuntu/member/nictuku] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robertj [n=robertj@68-117-221-30.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:18] wow. awesome. updated initramfs-tools, udev, usplash -> fun to watch my initramfs be regenerated 3 times [10:19]