[12:17] <beligum> Hey, anyone want to test the new ScreenKast screen capturing program?
[12:56] <micahcowan> How does my karma increase when I'm not doing anything?
[12:56] <LaserJock> micahcowan: surely you are doing *something* ;-)
[12:58] <Burgwork> LaserJock, more likely they are jigging with the forumla
[12:58] <micahcowan> I looked at my karma page, and the last dated entry is 9-01. But I'm pretty sure I've jumped from ~15k to ~42k.
[12:58] <Burgwork> I wish they would have a publicly avaiable one, like bugzilla.gnome.org
[12:59] <micahcowan> I have /viewed/ a couple of bugs. I might've confirmed /one/... /maybe/. But I didn't do anything to make it leap so much.
[12:59] <micahcowan> Does my karma accrue interest? :)
[01:00] <LaserJock> micahcowan: well, sometimes they "adjust" the karma algorithms
[01:00] <micahcowan> Gotcha. That's got to be it.
[01:00] <LaserJock> Burgwork: ever get the pbuilder sudo thing figured out?
[01:01] <Burgwork> LaserJock, didn't even get a chance yesterday, sorry
[01:01] <LaserJock> np
[01:02] <LaserJock> man I'm glad I don't run Windows at work
[01:02] <LaserJock> I found out just the other day that my lab computers are open to the world
[01:03] <LaserJock> I thought they were behind the dept. server so I didn't worry about firewalling or anything
[01:06] <Burgwork> ouch
[01:06] <chillywilly> hi
[01:06] <chillywilly> time to make the donuts...I mean read the packaging guide
[01:07] <chillywilly> no bddebian eh?
[01:07] <chillywilly> bummer
[01:07] <LaserJock> yeah
[01:08] <Burgwork> ok, this is funny
[01:08] <chillywilly> I am starving
[01:08] <chillywilly> pizza places really need web order forms or some crap...I don't feel like talking to anyone on the phone ;)
[01:08] <Burgwork> I just got some spam from a company, but for some reason, I got into the reply-to of it
[01:08] <chillywilly> too much effort right now ;)
[01:09] <chillywilly> blah
[01:09] <Burgwork> so I have been getting reponses to their spam
[01:11] <chillywilly> cha-ching ;)
[01:11] <chillywilly> now there's some clueless spammers
[01:11] <chillywilly> and people
[01:17] <LaserJock> Burgwork: wow, are people really responding?
[01:20] <ajmitch> hi
[01:21] <chillywilly> hi
[01:21] <chillywilly> how are you?
[01:21] <chillywilly> I am sitting here starving, but also feeling too tired to get off my butt and go get food...
[01:21] <chillywilly> I wish some pizza place around here had a web order fornm
[01:21] <chillywilly> ;P
[01:22] <chillywilly> I don't even want to lift the phone
[01:22] <chillywilly> that's pretty pathetic eh?
[01:22] <ajmitch> quite :)
[01:22] <Burgwork> LaserJock, yep
[01:22] <chillywilly> so hungry...
[01:23] <ajmitch> so get some food
[01:23] <chillywilly> yea...
[01:23] <chillywilly> fooooood
[01:24] <chillywilly> I could get chinese I suppose...they really close to us
[01:24] <LaserJock> Burgwork: with more than, "Take me off your list!"?
[01:24] <chillywilly> haha
[01:24] <LaserJock> ajmitch: +1
[01:24] <chillywilly> gonna call in a chinese order I think
[01:24] <chillywilly> yummy
[01:24] <chillywilly> Main Moon
[01:24] <chillywilly> mmmmmmmmmmmmm
[01:24] <LaserJock> I ordered delivery for the first time a couple of months ago
[01:24] <Burgwork> LaserJock, none of thsoe yet
[01:25] <chillywilly> chinese I will have to go pick up
[01:25] <chillywilly> such is life
[01:25] <chillywilly> I still think these places need web order forms, with email notification
[01:26] <Burgwork> ajmitch, I have a smaller one, just a sec
[01:26] <chillywilly> "your order is ready, you lazily sod"
[01:26] <ajmitch> hm, overly helpful people throwing together new f-spot packages for me to check
[01:26] <chillywilly> what about selinux?
[01:26] <chillywilly> :)))
[01:26] <ajmitch> it's unlikely we'll get the UVF exception for it, of course
[01:26] <Burgwork> ajmitch, clearly, you need to maintain fspot in bzr
[01:26] <ajmitch> what about it?
[01:26] <chillywilly> just messing with ya
[01:26] <Burgwork> ajmitch, you never wrote that email about your network auth stuff
[01:26] <ajmitch> Burgwork: https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-core-dev/+branch/f-spot/ubuntu
[01:27] <ajmitch> Burgwork: is it still worth it?
[01:27] <ajmitch> chillywilly: don't be silly, that's edgy+1 at least
[01:27] <chillywilly> aw, come on :)
[01:28] <Burgwork> ajmitch, not to be rude, but did you get anywhere done? Where did you fail/succeed? This are things that people need to know for next time, if needed
[01:28] <ajmitch> yes I got stuff done, stuff works, etc
[01:28] <ajmitch> but with a pile of bugs & stuff that I meant to do but didn't get to
[01:29] <Burgwork> well then, write that email and get the code to a place for people to hack on it
[01:29] <chillywilly> are all packages kept in bazaar?
[01:29] <ajmitch> the code has always been publically available on launchpad
[01:29] <Burgwork> where?
[01:30] <ajmitch> https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-dev/+branch/network-authentication/authtool
[01:37] <ajmitch> 463 upgraded, 15 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
[01:37] <ajmitch> Need to get 319MB/397MB of archives.
[01:37] <ajmitch> After unpacking 210MB of additional disk space will be used.
[01:37] <ajmitch> how to tell I haven't upgraded for about a week
[01:42] <nixternal> hehe
[02:03] <micahcowan> sheh-tchwahn, is how I usually hear it. No idea how accurate that is.
[02:05] <iapx8088> Hi all
[02:05] <iapx8088> I made a new ubuntu package
[02:05] <iapx8088> it seems to work quite well
[02:05] <Burgwork> ok, question: if I am at a grub prompt, can I boot from a cdrom?
[02:05] <Burgwork> machine will not boot from cd
[02:05] <iapx8088> while I read motu wiki, I believe I need a little feedback for license q&a
[02:06] <Burgwork> iapx8088, what is the issue?
[02:06] <iapx8088> I made a spice3 package for ubuntu
[02:06] <Burgwork> yep
[02:07] <iapx8088> you know spice has a restrictive licence
[02:07] <iapx8088> that's why it's not into debian.
[02:07] <Burgwork> no, I don't
[02:07] <Burgwork> educate me
[02:07] <iapx8088> mmh spice probably was the first open source package I have notice of
[02:07] <iapx8088> but the licence (a custom one, in a time where GPL was still to come) is quite restrictive
[02:08] <Burgwork> does it allow redistribution?
[02:08] <iapx8088> basically, not directly
[02:08] <Burgwork> umm, ok. elaborate?
[02:08] <iapx8088> the short answer I believe is yes as long as you download it from us
[02:09] <Burgwork> so you could create a package that is a wrapper script
[02:09] <Burgwork> ala flashplayer
[02:09] <iapx8088> I did
[02:09] <Burgwork> have you put it up on REVU?
[02:09] <iapx8088> In the beginning it was a mod of the debian unofficial port
[02:09] <iapx8088> no, I'm still reading, and I believe I still don't know what's REVU
[02:10] <Burgwork> REVU is a place for non-MOTUs to place packages for review, hence the name
[02:10] <iapx8088> yes
[02:10] <iapx8088> I suppose I will find instrunctions on REVU in the wiki
[02:11] <Burgwork> yep
[02:11] <iapx8088> the second part of the legal issue problem is
[02:12] <iapx8088> I read the licence berkeley gives
[02:12] <iapx8088> and basically it says: do whatever you want, but if you want to include the source into commercial products ask
[02:12] <iapx8088> so I'm wondering If I am completely missing something
[02:13] <iapx8088> the question is, if  I upload the package in REVU following the guidelines and so on, can I have a guy more pratical in licences than me to have a look?
[02:14] <Burgwork> yep, that is the point
[02:14] <iapx8088> I mean, if debian doesn't put it on for legal reasons, and I read "do as you wish" in the licence you start wondering what's the catch
[02:15] <iapx8088> ok I'll upload it and maybe drop a note if it's permitted to say have a look to the legal part too.
[02:15] <iapx8088> thanks.
[02:16] <iapx8088> what were you asking about grub and cdrom? I remember is possible, I believe it has been done.
[02:25] <Burgwork> iapx8088, yep, but I found the issue was the cf
[02:26] <iapx8088> I see
[02:26] <iapx8088> are you working on something embedded?
[02:26] <Burgwork> no
[02:26] <Burgwork> cd, rather
[02:27] <iapx8088> mmh ok
[03:07] <iapx8088> mmh
[03:07] <iapx8088> I uploaded it in revu
[03:07] <iapx8088> but it does not show up
[03:07] <iapx8088> dput says everything is fine?
[03:07] <iapx8088> and it's 10minutes now
[03:07] <Laser_away> hmm
[03:07] <Laser_away> what is the name?
[03:08] <iapx8088> spiec
[03:08] <iapx8088> sorry
[03:08] <iapx8088> spice
[03:09] <iapx8088> from spice_3f5-4ubuntu2_source.changes
[03:09] <Laser_away> did you use "dput revu *_source.changes"?
[03:09] <iapx8088> mmh no I didn't, I have dapper drake and the wiki says it's already configured
[03:09] <iapx8088> but you shred a light, maybe...
[03:10] <Laser_away> hmm, you could have uploaded it to Universe ;-)
[03:10] <Laser_away> or tried to anyway :-_
[03:10] <Laser_away> :-)
[03:10] <iapx8088> O my good
[03:10] <Laser_away> try it with revu
[03:10] <iapx8088> yes
[03:11] <iapx8088> yes the first time it went to ubuntu
[03:11] <iapx8088> what I do now?
[03:11] <iapx8088> can I warn them?
[03:12] <Laser_away> it's not a problem
[03:12] <iapx8088> ok
[03:12] <Laser_away> it'll just get rejected because  you aren't an authorized uploader
[03:12] <Laser_away> I see it on the server now
[03:12] <Laser_away> but I don't see an .orig.tar.gz
[03:13] <iapx8088> well, that's the point
[03:13] <iapx8088> I was explaining it to the other manteiner
[03:13] <iapx8088> before uploading the orig.tar.gz I wish someone more pratical than me to have a look at the licence
[03:13] <Laser_away> ah
[03:14] <iapx8088> that's why I read it and understand "do everything you want"
[03:14] <Laser_away> ok
[03:14] <Laser_away> I've gotta run
[03:14] <iapx8088> but If you search for debian spice in the groups, you'll see a lot of quarrels
[03:14] <Laser_away> it should be on REVU soon though
[03:15] <iapx8088> where can I put an announce for someone legal to have a llok
[03:15] <iapx8088> look?
[03:25] <iapx8088> anyway
[03:25] <iapx8088> it still does not show up
[03:25] <iapx8088> system freeze? something wrong?
[03:29] <iapx8088> bye all
[03:37] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:07] <ausimage> Hello I wanted to bring again to your attention bug #58682. I updated backtrace with fire-fox-dbg and there is also and Strace to see the package can work again.
[04:07] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 58682 in galeon "Consistent Crash on Specific Pages in Edgy" [Untriaged,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/58682
[07:24] <micahcowan> Does anyone here happen to know if apt-get autoremove is undocumented (in --help nor manpage) on purpose (cross-submitted to #ubuntu-bugs and #ubuntu-devel, I'm sorry--#ubuntu-devel is clearly the appropriate forum, but no one has answered).
[07:26] <crimsun> mvo would be the person to ping on Monday.
[07:27] <crimsun> (the paid developers generally don't work on the weekends)
[07:27] <micahcowan> thanks, crimsun. Sorry for the spam.
[07:54] <sid> Are the mplayer / mencoder packages gutted at all? or are they generally the stock package?
[07:55] <sid> ie, debian doesn't include mplayer because of patent stuff and libcssdvd or something...
[07:55] <sid> So they plan on removing crap from mplayer so they can put it on debian.org
[07:56] <sid> Did Ubuntu do that too? Or are mplayer packages the same as they are on mplayerhq.hu?
[09:08] <imbrandon> moins all
[09:09] <ajmitch> hi
[09:10] <imbrandon> heya
[09:11] <imbrandon> ajmitch, thanks for that nuge the other day , i think i've been through that guide 2 or 3 more times just to make sure i know it well enough ( and bookmarked for ref heh )
[09:11] <imbrandon> i went back through the reg packing too just for some ref ( the debian one , seems a bit more indepth than the ubnutu one )
[09:12] <ajmitch> great
[09:13] <imbrandon> i have one question about upload policy i should probably know though if someone could shed a little light on
[09:14] <ajmitch> ask
[09:14] <ajmitch> :)
[09:14] <imbrandon> if its a revision do i HAVE to upload the orig.tar.gz ?
[09:14] <ajmitch> to revu, yes
[09:14] <imbrandon> no to universe or main
[09:14] <ajmitch> since each upload is separate there
[09:14] <ajmitch> then no
[09:14] <ajmitch> if you mean that the upstream version hasn't changed
[09:14] <StevenK> imbrandon: If launchpad has the orig, no.
[09:15] <ajmitch> since it won't let you overwrite the orig.tar.gz that exists with the same name
[09:15] <ajmitch> afternoon StevenK
[09:15] <imbrandon> yea i mean doing from like -0ubuntu3 to -0ubuntu4
[09:15] <imbrandon> no upstream changes
[09:17] <imbrandon> heay StevenK ;)
[09:37] <imbrandon> hrm is there a better way to tell if someone is on dapper or edgy from a shell script other than "cat /etc/issue" and parse it ? ( only need dapper/edgy dont care about other distros )
[09:38] <imbrandon> e.g EDGY="cat /etc/issue |grep 6.10"   and DAPPER="cat /etc/issue |grep 6.06" ?
[09:40] <ajmitch> lsb_release
[09:41] <imbrandon> ok
[09:41] <ajmitch> using the -r flag
[09:41] <ajmitch> or -c
[09:41] <imbrandon> ahh nice, yea -r will work perfect
[09:42] <imbrandon> thanks
[09:42] <ajmitch> as long as you know that lsb-release will be on the system
[09:42] <ajmitch> ubuntu-minimal depends on it, but you may need to depend on lsb-release yourself
[09:42] <imbrandon> is it installed in ubuntu-minimal ?
[09:42] <imbrandon> k
[09:43] <ajmitch> -minimal is a metapackage, can be removed
[09:43] <imbrandon> right
[09:43] <imbrandon> hrm cat might be the lowest common denom then
[09:43] <ajmitch> best to depend on it :)
[09:44] <imbrandon> true
[09:44] <ajmitch> removing lsb-release removes a good chunk of the desktop anyway
[09:44] <imbrandon> it wont hurt to add another dep
[09:44] <Burgundavia> ok, question for the croud
[09:44] <Burgundavia> crowd, rather
[09:44] <Burgundavia> I am sorting through the -devel spam catcher
[09:44] <imbrandon> well this is for amarok so if they remove the desktop then amarok islt likely to work anyhow
[09:44] <ajmitch> heh
[09:44] <Burgundavia> and I came across mom's daily bug report of bugs closed in debian
[09:44] <ajmitch> imbrandon: any package that uses it should depend on it
[09:45] <imbrandon> right
[09:45] <ajmitch> if it's not depended on by one of amarok's dependencies
[09:45] <Burgundavia> should I pass it through the spam filters?
[09:45] <Burgundavia> given mom is controlled by keybuk, I imagine he knows what he is doing
[09:45] <imbrandon> Burgundavia, i would say yea, but i dont matter much ;)
[09:45] <imbrandon> heheh
[09:45] <Burgundavia> ajmitch: thoughts?
[09:46] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: this is daily stuff?
[09:46] <Burgundavia> yep
[09:46] <ajmitch> keybuk may have forgotten about it
[09:46] <ajmitch> it'd be nice to have, but a daily report may be a bit much
[09:46] <Burgundavia> right, given the spam filter was last cleaned in june
[09:47] <ajmitch> keybuk probably won't be around for a little while yet, I guess
[09:47] <StevenK> ajmitch: I wonder if I can steal your pytone merge?
[09:47] <ajmitch> go ahead
[09:47] <StevenK> Aye
[09:48] <StevenK> I did vtk, which was fun.
[09:48] <ajmitch> hm
[09:48] <ajmitch> mdadm is on crack
[09:48] <ajmitch> fails to upgrade since it tries to stop my raid arrays
[09:48] <ajmitch> which is generally a bad thing
[09:49] <ajmitch> good, bug already filed
[09:49] <StevenK> "Stopping arrays .... Oh shit, where did my disks go? *poke*"
[09:50] <ajmitch> more like "Stopping disks.. FAIL"
[10:04] <Burgundavia> ok, 2000+ emails sorted
[10:05] <Burgundavia> anybody want to buy some stock? people keep sending stock tips of -devel, for some reason ;)
[10:05] <Burgundavia> and then, of course,  "I was shit scared of cyberspace, so I downloaded in my pants"
[10:06] <ajmitch> hm
[10:06] <Burgundavia> channelling jdub
[10:06] <ajmitch> worrying :)
[10:07] <ajmitch> and firefox is still open & using ~600MB
[10:07] <Burgundavia> ouch
[10:07] <ajmitch> don't worry, I don't have swap
[10:09] <ajmitch> impressive
[10:09] <imbrandon> looks like i'm 0kb into mine
[10:09] <Burgundavia> hmm, 18mb here
[10:09] <imbrandon> reported from top
[10:09] <imbrandon> Mem:   1027628k total,  1000284k used,    27344k free,   213552k buffers
[10:09] <imbrandon> Swap:  2690848k total,        0k used,  2690848k free,   378864k cached
[10:09] <imbrandon> barely but not into it yet
[10:10] <StevenK> Mem:   1535888k total,  1267900k used,   267988k free,   184452k buffers
[10:10] <StevenK> Swap:  1943824k total,     6424k used,  1937400k free,   290732k cached
[10:10] <ajmitch> Mem:   4045328k total,  3330884k used,   714444k free,    21468k buffers
[10:10] <ajmitch> Swap:        0k total,        0k used,        0k free,   596924k cached
[10:10] <imbrandon> hehe
[10:10] <ajmitch> hence why I have no swap
[10:10] <StevenK> Who needs swap with 4Gb of RAM, indeed.
[10:10] <imbrandon> ;)
[10:11] <imbrandon> well i have 1.2 gigs in this box as apparently dont need it ( or not much )
[10:11] <Burgundavia> Mem:   1034652k total,  1018748k used,    15904k free,    78272k buffers
[10:11] <Burgundavia> Swap:   497972k total,    18368k used,   479604k free,   449544k cached
[10:11] <imbrandon> but then again this box has only been up a day or so atm
[10:11] <Burgundavia> sick, 4gb
[10:11] <ajmitch> Mem:   1026156k total,  1007924k used,    18232k free,   415720k buffers
[10:11] <ajmitch> Swap:        0k total,        0k used,        0k free,   157316k cached
[10:12] <ajmitch> I see that /etc/fstab needs fixed
[10:12] <ajmitch> since it ought to have swap
[10:12] <imbrandon> heh
[10:13] <StevenK> Hrm.
[10:13] <StevenK> Mem:     61408k total,    60376k used,     1032k free,     7036k buffers
[10:13] <StevenK> Swap:   279736k total,     6356k used,   273380k free,    30468k cached
[10:13] <imbrandon> Mem:     93532k total,    92124k used,     1408k free,     8912k buffers
[10:13] <imbrandon> Swap:  1951856k total,   101400k used,  1850456k free,    30164k cached
[10:13] <ajmitch> Mem:    127404k total,   123460k used,     3944k free,    14024k buffers
[10:13] <ajmitch> Swap:   248968k total,   183796k used,    65172k free,    33104k cached
[10:13] <imbrandon> hella swaped
[10:13] <ajmitch> apt-proxy really uses a lot of memory
[10:14] <StevenK> That 64Mb machine runs postgres and bind9, I'm impressed
[10:14] <imbrandon> for 96mb ram that box chugs along though
[10:14] <imbrandon> that 96mb one runs imap , nfs shares , apache , ummmm
[10:15] <imbrandon> i guess thats really it, mysql for apache
[10:15] <imbrandon> but still chugs along on dapper
[10:15] <StevenK> My IMAP server is 128Mb RAM and is 66Mb into swap.
[10:15] <StevenK> Poor sparc64 thing
[10:15] <imbrandon> hehe
[10:15] <StevenK> Oh yeah, that 64Mb machine is a parisc
[10:16] <imbrandon> its a 333mhz 96mb ram "catch all server" for me
[10:16] <imbrandon> for my house
[10:16] <imbrandon> but has 4x400gb sata for lots of storage ;)
[10:16] <imbrandon> that was the main thing its used for
[10:16] <StevenK> imbrandon: I'm afraid of your naming scheme - what its called?
[10:16] <Mithrandir> I should really switch that 500MHz G3 server with 256MB ram for something beefier.  A core duo 2 with 2GB of ram, maybe. :-P
[10:16] <imbrandon> enterprise ;)
[10:17] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: you really let through some old mail
[10:17] <imbrandon> StevenK, ...
[10:17] <imbrandon> brandon@enterprise:~$ uptime
[10:17] <imbrandon>  03:17:00 up 26 days, 20:30,  1 user,  load average: 1.49, 1.11, 0.54
[10:17] <imbrandon> heh
[10:17] <Burgundavia> ajmitch: some I had no choice, because of mailmans interface
[10:17] <Burgundavia> others I let through because I thought they shoudl be
[10:18] <Burgundavia> I left about 30 odd messages on the floor, mostly from May, June and July
[10:37] <seaLne> anyone have time to look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3150 ?
[12:56] <Adri2000> last upload of djplay: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3152, hope this one is ok :)
[01:55] <Fujitsu> Build-depends on libxext-dev added for Dapper... Do they want to be left or removed for Edgy?
[01:56] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: i'd guess keep
[01:57] <Fujitsu> It builds fine without it, though.
[01:57] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: you'd probably want to ask whoever added it why they did, and if it's still necessary
[01:59] <Fujitsu> Is lamont likely to be around at the moment?
[02:00] <Hobbsee> no idea - email probably
[02:00] <Fujitsu> OK, shall do.
[02:00] <Fujitsu> Thanks.
[02:15] <phanatic> good afternoon
[02:15] <Fujitsu> Afternoon.
[02:16] <phanatic> hi Fujitsu
[02:27] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: i reckon there's some borked stuff  in kbd. did you test build that?
[02:27] <Hobbsee> i'll bet you didnt.
[02:28] <Fujitsu> I've got this rather suspicious 1.12-17 .deb in /var/cache/pbuilder/results, so I presume I did.
[02:29] <Hobbsee> okay, i'm wrong,
[02:30] <Fujitsu> Haha.
[02:30] <Fujitsu> Yay, I win for once >_>
[02:30] <StevenK> Fujitsu: Just wait
[02:30] <Fujitsu> ?
[02:31] <StevenK> Fujitsu: Hobbsee will win and then you'll regret it
[02:31] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: i'm still about to ask you about the run level changes in one of the patches though.
[02:31] <Hobbsee> which arguably, hasnt been added into the changelog
[02:32] <Fujitsu> Er, which?
[02:33] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu:
[02:33] <Hobbsee> +# Default-Start:     S 1 2 3 4 5
[02:33] <Hobbsee> +# Default-Stop:      0 6
[02:33] <Hobbsee> in http://merges.ubuntu.com/k/kbd/kbd_1.12-15ubuntu1.patch
[02:33] <Hobbsee> which is weirdly and confusingly formed, it seems.
[02:34] <Fujitsu> Hm.
[02:34] <Fujitsu> Er, you diffed it against 1.12-15, didn't you?
[02:34] <Fujitsu> 'cause that's wrong.
[02:34] <Fujitsu> It's based on 1.12-14, with a wrong version number.
[02:35] <Hobbsee> i just looked at what MOM generated
[02:35] <Fujitsu> Yeah.
[02:35] <Fujitsu> I did too... But look at that debian/changelog diff.
[02:36] <Hobbsee> yeah
[02:36] <Fujitsu> And the rest of the diff is a lot more manageable (like, it's what the changelog says) when done against 1.12-14.
[02:36] <Hobbsee> right
[02:38] <Fujitsu> Oops, yes. I normally do them by mail, but Malone decided it didn't like this one. And I forgot to subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors once I did it manually.
[02:39] <Fujitsu> Thanks :)
[02:39] <Hobbsee> ah right...
[02:39] <Fujitsu> I did, but Malone rejected it.
[02:39] <Fujitsu> Saying it has no `affects'.
[02:40] <Fujitsu> But it certainly did.
[03:40] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: Thanks.
[03:40] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: not a problem
[03:45] <Bazzi> Hobbsee: did you waste any more time on eclipse? I couldn't convince to get it to compile yet
[03:45] <Hobbsee> Bazzi: i havent, no
[03:45] <Hobbsee> ive been at work
[03:45] <Bazzi> ok :)
[04:04] <azeem> Kyral: ping
[04:56] <ttyfscker> hell crimsun
[04:57] <ttyfscker> if you dont mind id like to speak with you here sometime soon
[04:57] <ttyfscker> thanks
[04:57] <ttyfscker> s/hell/hello
[06:39] <paniq> can somebody confirm this please: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/freetype/+bug/60760 ?
[06:39] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 60760 in freetype "turning off autohinting has no effect" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] 
[07:28] <givr1> Hi guys
[07:28] <givr1> Is it possible to upload a cvs version for REVU
[07:30] <givr1> i uploaded glipper, but the currant version don't have a transparant icone
[07:30] <givr1> and they fixed that in cvs
[07:45] <zul> givr1: why not submit a patch to launchpad
[07:58] <givr1> zul: glipper is not in the repo, i already upload version 0.89 to revu, but the change seems so big to get the transparancy icone, that i though it was better to take the cvs version. What do you think ?
[07:59] <bureado> After reading the REVU documentation in the Wiki it still remains unclear to me if a package already in Debian Sid can be uploaded to REVU, even if the REVU uploader is the same as the Debian maintainer or furthermore, if the upstream developer wants to maintain himself both the Ubuntu and Debian packages.
[08:00] <bureado> himself/herself*
[08:01] <givr1> bureado: as far as i understand, if a package is already in sid, you just need to ask for a sync
[08:04] <bureado> I see. But then the maintainer will be a MOTU, which is a very good thing indeed but maybe it's also good that the original packager maintains it in Ubuntu, also, even if he/she is not a MOTU.
[08:05] <bureado> (maybe I'm getting this wrong and the sync'ed packages are not maintained only by MOTUs, that's why I'm asking)
[08:24] <givr1> bureado: can't say. My guess is that the maintainer field stay unchange (ie debian ones) but ubuntu motu will sync with it for each new release.
[09:10] <AnAnt> ping lionelp
[09:18] <AnAnt_> Gloubiboulga: got my email ?
[09:18] <AnAnt_> ping lionelp
[09:19] <Gloubiboulga> AnAnt, I don't think so
[09:19] <AnAnt> Gloubiboulga: you REVU'ed acon, and noted some issues, and I fixed them
[09:19] <AnAnt> Gloubiboulga: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3086
[09:21] <AnAnt> Gloubiboulga: oh, acon has to be suid
[09:22] <Gloubiboulga> ok
[09:22] <AnAnt> Gloubiboulga: in order to allow an ordinary user to be able to change his VT to be arabic
[09:22] <Gloubiboulga> ok, I wasn't sure about this
[09:28] <AnAnt> Gloubiboulga: so could you review it again ?
[09:29] <Gloubiboulga> AnAnt, I'm building it
[09:29] <AnAnt> l
[09:29] <AnAnt> k
[09:29] <Gloubiboulga> and I'll upload if it's ok
[09:31] <AnAnt> thanks
[09:43] <KhanReape1> Hi, I submitted a package to REVU about twenty minutes ago, and it has yet to appear. Its name is pam-abl.
[10:15] <vhjjhgjhg> :-P
[10:15] <crimsun> KhanReape1: http://tinyurl.com/fgpgy ?
[10:17] <crimsun> Fixing merges is Fun!
[10:39] <KhanReape1> crimsun: Yes, my name is "Matt T. Proud"
[10:40] <Adri2000> is there any science team guy here ?
[10:43] <Adri2000> i wanted to package gchempaint but it needs gchemutils in a newer version than the one in edgy
[10:43] <Adri2000> bug 35922
[10:43] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 35922 in gnome-chemistry-utils "Package outdated, please update to 0.6.0/0.7.0" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/35922
[10:43] <Adri2000> any plan to update this package ?
[10:51] <crimsun> you need to speak with Jordan (Laser_away) or Barry (bddebian) about it
[10:53] <geser> crimsun: hello
[10:54] <geser> crimsun: any update on the upload of php4-yaz to dapper-updates?
[10:54] <crimsun> geser: bug # again?
[10:54] <geser> bug 58564
[10:54] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 58564 in php4-yaz "php4-yaz won't install (broken dependency)" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/58564
[10:54] <crimsun> ok, sec, in the middle of a bugfix
[10:56] <blaa> how to use gdb
[10:56] <blaa> ?
[10:59] <geser> blaa: a small howto to create a backtrace is described here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Backtrace
[11:19] <scotth> 55462
[11:19] <scotth> #55462
[11:19] <Adri2000> bug 55462
[11:19] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 55462 in gnucash "Gnucash crash" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/55462
[11:19] <scotth> ty, trying remember how to do that
[11:19] <Adri2000> ;)
[11:20] <scotth> anyway... it has a patch that works.  What do I have to do to get it pushed into edgy?
[11:23] <geser> scotth: create a working debdiff and attach it to the bug
[11:24] <scotth> mk, the latest version doesn't build on the latest edgy cause the g-wrap is old.  do I need to make sure that it builds? the previous version works with the patch
[11:26] <Adri2000> geser: have you ever packaged a python app ?
[11:27] <geser> no
[11:28] <geser> do you want to package a python app?
[11:29] <scotth> Ive done a little python packaging
[11:30] <geser> scotth: source that doesn't build doesn't fix the bugs
[11:31] <geser> take the current source from edgy, apply the fix, compile, test the package and create a debdiff
[11:31] <scotth> g-wrap is out of date... the unpatched source doesn't build so I can't build and test the patch on the latest version
[11:31] <scotth> mk
[11:32] <scotth> well I'm building the g-wrap from debian/unstable.  Is it preferable to do that and build the latest gnucash or build the old version?
[11:33] <geser> there is a sync request for g-wrap from debian unstable
[11:33] <geser> it should get included in edgy on the next archive day
[11:34] <scotth> yeah, g-wrap built fast so I'm just going to go ahead and build the latest gnucash
[11:35] <geser> if your debdiff contains only the fix instead of a new upstream version it is easier for person who uploads it to review it
[11:36] <scotth> latest gnucash == latest gnucash in ubuntu
[11:36] <scotth> 2.0.1-3ubuntu1
[11:39] <geser> ah
[11:39] <Adri2000> geser: hm yeah, i'm packaging a python app, the .deb has been created, but i don't know if there is some depencies to add or something else?
[11:39] <Adri2000> dependencies*
[11:40] <geser> have you read the last python policy?
[11:40] <geser> http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/python-policy/
[11:41] <crimsun> scotth: bug 60543
[11:41] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 60543 in g-wrap "Please sync g-wrap 1.9.6-3.1 (universe) from Debian Sid (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60543
[11:41] <crimsun> the gnucash I uploaded yesterday is in dep-wait til that [g-wrap]  is in the archive, as geser mentioned
[11:41] <scotth> should the priority be bumped since gnucash is unbuildable?
[11:41] <crimsun> no
[11:42] <crimsun> do not interfere with bugs to which ubuntu-archive is subscribed, else you'll likely piss off the admins.
[11:42] <scotth> ahh thanks for the warning
[11:42] <scotth> I'm curious why gnucash needs that version
[11:43] <scotth> I looked at the change log and it doesn't seem like much
[11:43] <Adri2000> geser: i looked at it
[11:53] <KhanReape1> Hey, I submitted a package called frikqcc a little while ago. I was wondering if any of the MOTUs wanted to look at it to confirm that it is what it needs to be--perhaps take my efforts and me up for adoption in being a package contributor.
[12:01] <crimsun> btw, people besides MOTU can be adopters, too