[12:19] <shiv> any bibus users here?
[12:26] <cbx333> ping HedgeMage
[12:33] <Laser_away> shiv: not really, I know what it is and that's about it
[12:33] <shiv> Laser_away: thants okay
[12:33] <shiv> I was curious
[12:37] <cbx333> you heard the news
[12:38] <cbx333> :(
[12:38] <cbx333> i can't believe it
[12:45] <Laser_away> mhm
[12:48] <cbx333> hi jono
[12:49] <jono> hey :)
[12:49] <cbx333> i can't believe he's gone
[12:49] <cbx333> lilo was always so helpful and kind
[12:50] <jono> lilo is gone?
[12:50] <jono> oh my god, lilo is dead?
[12:51] <cbx333> when i read digg, "lilo is dead"
[12:51] <cbx333> i thort they meantbthe bootloadr
[12:51] <cbx333> jono yes
[12:51] <cbx333> hit by a car whilst on his bike
[12:51] <cbx333> on the 12th
[12:52] <cbx333> died earlier today, after being in a coma
[12:52] <cbx333> rumor of hit and run
[12:54] <cbx333> i still can't believe it
[12:56] <cbx333> nn all your thoughts and prayers to debbie and ben, his wife and son
[01:03] <Solaris444> what the hell... lilo is dead...
[01:03] <Solaris444> That isn't right *shakes head*
[01:34] <HesNikke> hiya
[01:34] <HesNikke> would edubuntu be a good distro to put on my 7 year old nephews 5 year old POS dell?
[01:34] <HesNikke> or should i go with xubunutu
[01:35] <Amaranth> How much RAM does it have?
[01:35] <HesNikke> not much
[01:36] <HesNikke> i wanna say 32 megs or 64 megs
[01:36] <Amaranth> Oh dear.
[01:36] <Amaranth> I don't even think Xubuntu will work on that
[01:36] <HesNikke> haha
[01:36] <HesNikke> i got knoppix to work after hacking in some swap
[01:36] <HesNikke> quite slowly
[01:37] <Amaranth> Xorg itself will use about 10MB
[01:37] <HesNikke> yeah, 64 megs
[01:37] <Amaranth> I think the kernel uses another 4-8MB
[01:37] <Amaranth> You'd be better off using fluxbox or something on there, I'm almost positive Xubuntu will be too heavy
[01:38] <Amaranth> Look into upgrading the RAM. :) 128MB will make Xubuntu happy, 256MB will make Ubuntu (and probably Edubuntu) happy
[01:38] <HesNikke> ok, so the other question is
[01:39] <HesNikke> does edubuntu have tools for a 7 year old?
[01:39] <HesNikke> educational games for 2nd graders and what not
[01:39] <Amaranth> I think so.
[01:39] <Amaranth> I don't use it, I just make things. :)
[01:39] <HesNikke> lol
[01:41] <Amaranth> "Gcompris is huge collection of activities for the kindergarden. It gently introduces kids to basic computer use, then it builds on that by expanding to basic maths, reading activities, and more."
[01:41] <Amaranth> "The Tux4kids project has produced software such as TuxPaint, TuxMaths and TuxTyping."
[01:43] <HesNikke> grrr
[01:43] <HesNikke> i can't find info on setting up xubuntu from the command line on the interweb
[01:43] <HesNikke> any suggestions?
[01:43] <Amaranth> from the command line?
[01:43] <HesNikke> or should i download an alternate CD?
[01:43] <HesNikke> yeah, it complaining about the xserver being setup wrong when i boot from the cd
[01:43] <Amaranth> oh
[01:43] <HesNikke> but if i boot with the single optoin at least i get a prompt
[01:44] <Amaranth> yeah, you need X to install from that CD
[01:44] <Amaranth> You're talking about the Desktop CD, right?
[01:44] <HesNikke> alright, so i'll setup X
[01:44] <HesNikke> yep
[01:47] <HesNikke> aha!
[01:47] <HesNikke> insuficiant memory window
[01:47] <HesNikke> not enough RAM :(
[01:48] <Amaranth> heh, i figured as much
[01:51] <HesNikke> and it had already picked up the swap partition i set up (256 megs)
[01:51] <HesNikke> :(
[01:51] <HesNikke> pentium II's used PC100 RAM right?
[01:51] <knixtech> hello guys, can you help me in getting ganttproject working on here?
[02:03] <bddebian> Howdy
[02:13] <knixtech> Howdy
[02:15] <bddebian> Hello knixtech
[02:16] <knixtech> bddebian, good evening
[02:22] <bddebian> Heh
[03:17] <knixtech> lets all get edubuntu tattoo's
[04:05] <Burgundavia> knixtech: you are an odd one
[04:05] <simp> what if knetworkmanager freezes on 28% of connecting to a WPA-Tkip secured wireless network
[04:06] <knixtech> Burgundavia, why do you say that?
[04:06] <Burgundavia> simp: then file a bug
[04:06] <Burgundavia> knixtech: never mind ;)
[04:06] <knixtech> Burgundavia, im serious
[04:06] <simp> Burgundavia: but i've had it for 3 installs of kubuntu
[04:06] <simp> all of them were from different CD-s
[04:07] <Burgundavia> then it is clearly a bug in the program itself, or the driver
[04:07] <knixtech> Burgundavia, you talking about the tattoo statement?
[04:07] <Burgundavia> yes
[04:07] <simp> Burgundavia: but is there ANY way to get it working? i really need wifi
[04:07] <knixtech> Well when a distro makes you feel like this, y wouldnt you do it
[04:08] <knixtech> simp, wpa or wpa2?
[04:08] <simp> wpa
[04:08] <Burgundavia> what chipset is your card?
[04:09] <simp> my card is linksys WUSB54G 2,4ghz 802,11g
[04:09] <Burgundavia> that tells me nothing
[04:10] <Burgundavia> chipset, not manufacturer
[04:10] <Burgundavia> dmesg will tell you
[04:10] <simp> in terminal dmesg eth1?
[04:11] <Burgundavia> just dmesg
[04:11] <knixtech> tattoo right on the back of the neck
[04:12] <Burgundavia> dmesg | grep Atheros or dmesg | grep Intel
[04:12] <knixtech> with Burgundavia name in the middle
[04:12] <Burgundavia> rightg
[04:14] <simp> Burgundavia:  that's all i get: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23698
[04:15] <simp> Burgundavia:  that's all it says about eth1 eth1: link is not ready
[04:16] <Burgundavia> looking
[04:18] <Burgundavia> looks liek you have an intel chipset
[04:18] <Burgundavia> thus I blame knetworkmanager
[04:18] <Burgundavia> file a bug against it and try to use dhclient directly
[04:19] <simp> Burgundavia:  i don't get it dhclient... terminal sudo dhclient or smth?
[04:20] <Burgundavia> sudo dhclient eth1
[04:21] <simp> how do i set the passwords and stuff?
[04:22] <simp> Burgundavia: it says 
[04:22] <simp> No DHCPOFFERS received.
[04:22] <simp> No working leases in persistent database - sleeping.
[07:51] <cbx333> good morning
[07:52] <bddebian> good night cbx333 :-)
[08:23] <Laser_away> hi cbx333 
[12:38] <cbx33> !seen ogra
[12:38] <ubotu> I last saw ogra (n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra) 9h 23m 30s ago, quiting: "Verlassend"
[01:04] <cbx33> hey pygi 
[01:04] <cbx33> hi RichEd 
[01:05] <pygi> hey cbx33 ^_^
[01:06] <cbx33> pygi, you heard about lilo right??
[01:06] <pygi> cbx33, yes :'(
[01:06] <cbx33> :'(
[01:07] <Yagisan> o_O
[01:08] <cbx33> Hi Yagisan 
[01:08] <cbx33> pygi, I started some development on gallium
[01:08] <cbx33> Amaranth has done a great job so far
[01:08] <Yagisan> G'day cbx33, pygi, and anyone else here
[01:08] <cbx33> and wil probably continue to do so.......thought I'd help out where I could ;)
[01:09] <Yagisan> cbx33, I found myself in wikipedia now. All I need is a vanity page ;)
[01:09] <cbx33> Yagisan, really?
[01:09] <pygi> hey Yagisan 
[01:09] <cbx33> link me
[01:09] <Yagisan> cbx33, yes, really
[01:09] <pygi> cafuego, :-D
[01:09] <pygi> cbx33, :-D*
[01:10] <Yagisan> cbx33, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Doomsday_Engine
[01:10] <cafuego> pygi: hmm?
[01:10] <cafuego> oic
[01:10] <pygi> cafuego, sorry :P
[01:10] <cafuego> fine, ignore me. I am nobody. bastard.
[01:10] <Yagisan> cbx33, someone went to the effort of finding my legal name
[01:10] <cbx33> hehe
[01:11] <cbx33> if I type pete savage on google....I'm second ;)
[01:11] <Yagisan> I just type Yagisan, and I get most of them
[01:13] <Yagisan> cbx33, I spent a week pulbically b**chslapping GPL violators
[01:13] <Yagisan> cbx33, I slammed one so hard they yanked their project off the net :D
[01:20] <pygi> hey ho jono 
[01:20] <jono> hey
[01:51] <cbx33> Yagisan, ouch
[01:52] <Yagisan> cbx33, You would have enjoyed the drama
[01:53] <lucasvo> Yagisan: wow
[01:53] <lucasvo> Yagisan: what were they doing?
[01:53] <Yagisan> http://www.doomworld.com/
[01:53] <Yagisan> look fir the Risen3D newspost
[01:53] <Yagisan> then if you feel like reading a novel, read the linked threads
[01:54] <Yagisan> lucasvo, they used GPL code as if it was BSD. Refusing to release source
[01:55] <lucasvo> btw, is there any time-window in which people have to deliver the source?
[01:55] <cbx33> eeek
[01:55] <lucasvo> for e.g. one could place each letter in one mail and send one mail per day
[01:56] <cbx33> lucasvo, i think it is complete source
[01:56] <cbx33> when released
[01:56] <lucasvo> ok
[01:56] <cbx33> I'll bbl guys
[01:56] <lucasvo> Yagisan: how do you find these projects?
[01:57] <Yagisan> lucasvo, the users come whinging to me for support o_O
[01:57] <lucasvo> oh.
[01:58] <Yagisan> yes indeed. basiaclly the title is changed
[01:58] <Yagisan> and that is about it
[01:58] <lucasvo> Yagisan: do you work at fsf?
[01:58] <Yagisan> no
[01:58] <lucasvo> how do people find you?
[01:59] <Yagisan> I just have copyright on the stolen code, and the support channels all point to our project
[02:01] <Yagisan> lucasvo, my posts look like novels don't they
[02:02] <lucasvo> oh. ok
[02:02] <lucasvo> Yagisan: you created dooom?
[02:06] <Yagisan> lucasvo, I am a doom engine author
[02:06] <Yagisan> lucasvo, not id software
[02:06] <Yagisan> employee
[02:06] <lucasvo> ah.
[03:04] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:06] <pygi> hey ho bddebian 
[03:07] <bddebian> Hi pygi
[04:31] <knixtech> good morning edubuntu buddies
[04:31] <pygi> hello knixtech 
[04:33] <knixtech> wanna see my pw, hee hee jk
[04:33] <pygi> knixtech, nah, no need, thanks ^_^
[04:33] <knixtech> lol
[04:34] <knixtech> do any of you guys here read linux format?
[04:38] <pygi> knixtech, nop, at least I don't :)
[04:42] <knixtech> do you guy know how to mask your ip on here?
[05:31] <cbx33> hey sbalneav 
[05:32] <sbalneav> Hello cbx33
[05:36] <jsgotangco> wow sunday folks, no life eh?
[05:38] <jsgotangco> heh well its almost midnight here
[05:41] <jsgotangco> you just dont stop huh?
[05:42] <cbx33> heheh
[05:42] <cbx33> durnk
[05:52] <cbx33> hi knixtech 
[05:52] <knixtech> cbx33, morning
[05:55] <knixtech> whats new?
[06:19] <knixtech> hey pygi 
[06:20] <pygi> hey knixtech, ogra 
[06:20] <knixtech> pygi, did you ever get that email?
[06:20] <knixtech> am I not worthy
[06:20] <pygi> knixtech, yes, I got the mail ^_^
[06:32] <knixtech> pygi, and am i worthy?
[06:32] <pygi> knixtech, everyone is worthy to contribute, I'm just seriously lacking time :) You'll get the response, no worries :)
[06:33] <knixtech> ty
[06:33] <pygi> knixtech, I'm really sorry for not responding yet, but time and stuff ^_^
[06:33] <knixtech> its quite ok
[06:33] <pygi> knixtech, could you please remind me tommorow? I'll reserve some minutes for you
[06:34] <knixtech> sure
[06:34] <knixtech> ty
[06:34] <pygi> thanks :)
[06:35] <knixtech> np ;)
[06:56] <cbx33> afternoon pygi 
[06:56] <pygi> hello cbx33 ;)
[06:56] <cbx33> howz it going?
[06:57] <pygi> good and bad (you know why bad :P)
[06:58] <cbx33> yeh
[06:58] <cbx33> :(
[07:04] <pygi> cbx33, how is you?
[07:04] <cbx33> yeh good
[07:06] <pygi> cbx33, glad to hear that :)
[07:09] <cbx33> bbl
[07:09] <pygi> oki
[08:50] <maccam94> knock knock, anybody home?
[08:53] <Burgundavia> maccam94: yep
[08:54] <maccam94> scenario: thick client machines, multiple rooms, /home and /etc are central shares on a server.
[08:54] <maccam94> is it possible to have certain printers only visible in certain rooms? (thus on only certain machines)
[09:02] <Burgundavia> maccam94: I honestly have no idea
[09:05] <knixtech> does anyone know were the default templates are located?
[09:05] <knixtech> for open office, srry
[09:05] <maccam94> Burgundavia: lol, s'ok, i don't think it's an easy question
[09:06] <Burgundavia> maccam94: you could create different print servers and only allow people to print to printers off one server
[09:07] <knixtech> nvmd
[09:09] <maccam94> well there are going to be classrooms, which each have their own printer
[09:09] <maccam94> and every computer will be identical
[09:09] <maccam94> (there are 300 at least)
[09:10] <maccam94> people will be able to log on to any machine with their own unique username and password
[09:10] <maccam94> what i would like is for the available printer list to be location-sensitive
[09:11] <maccam94> maybe some sort of naming scheme could be done based on mac address, and then the computers derive the available printers from their hostnames (like rm250pc1 would see printers rm250pr*)
[09:11] <Burgundavia> I don't think the gnome printer dialog supports that yet
[09:12] <maccam94> it would be some sort of conf file variable
[09:13] <maccam94> $printerhost = $hostname - pc* + pr*
[09:13] <maccam94> (that's not valid but just the concept)
[09:30] <JJF> Hi
[09:30] <JJF> Just new to Edubuntu...
[09:30] <maccam94> hello
[09:31] <JJF> hi maccam
[09:31] <pygi> hi JJF, welcome to the community ^_3
[09:31] <pygi> ^_^
[09:31] <JJF> thanks!
[09:32] <JJF> I'll prob. gonna be here a lot, since i'm trying to get everyone at my school involved with linux-edubuntu
[09:32] <JJF> you guys all work with Edubuntu?
[09:32] <JJF> hi pygi
[09:33] <knixtech> JJF, how are you going to do this?
[09:33] <pygi> JJF, you can meet some small part of Edubuntu community and as such contains a lot of people interested & involved in various things in Education, development, marketing, schools, unis, and such :)
[09:34] <JJF> good question... knixtech... I got a new job in Aruba, and there's a lot of financial problems. Old computers, hardly money for new machines, not to think about Microsucked licences
[09:35] <knixtech> JJF, very very nice,  do it up
[09:35] <JJF> i had a meeting last friday, and got a few people interested, I need to setup a small lab, in order to convice my collegeas
[09:35] <JJF> then, the board/other staff members
[09:35] <knixtech> you think about ltsp?
[09:35] <JJF> it not just concerns the school where i work at, but the whole public school system here in Aruba
[09:36] <JJF> love ltsp
[09:36] <knixtech> sweet
[09:36] <JJF> i worked with windows terminal server as well..
[09:36] <JJF> great concept, especially when it's free and doesnt stall!
[09:36] <JJF> ;)
[09:36] <pygi> JJF, ;)
[09:37] <JJF> as said before, the problem here is money, microsoft makes it harder also to pirate software, which btw i dont think is bad... but since i'm (or the schools) are wihtout money, what's left to do
[09:37] <JJF> :)
[09:37] <knixtech> you got that right, welcome
[09:38] <JJF> I prefer legal and stability, therefor linux... i looked into edubuntu, and it might be my solution
[09:38] <JJF> hehe thanks kniptech
[09:38] <JJF> p=x
[09:38] <JJF> but do you guys work in schools too, or you comp.wizardz at home/work
[09:39] <pygi> you can't just generalise stuff like that :)
[09:39] <JJF> what do you mean
[09:39] <JJF> pygi?
[09:39] <knixtech> JJF, i am a network admin for technical education and am going to implement edubuntu in education
[09:39] <pygi> JJF, well, not everything boils down to "school worker" or "computer hacker"
[09:40] <JJF> ofcourse pygi, but since this channel is for edubuntu, that's why i asked it
[09:41] <JJF> im a network admin myself, mainly school enviroments, but had too many problems with windows
[09:41] <JJF> this situation might not just convince my collegeas, but also government employees
[09:42] <JJF> the available educational software and ltsp will give the pro's vs the cons... (if there are any cons)
[09:42] <maccam94> i wish the ubuntu mystory thing was up
[09:42] <knixtech> JJF, you are right up my alley, we should brainstorm together
[09:43] <JJF> good.
[09:43] <JJF> ur in the US knix?
[09:43] <knixtech> ya
[09:43] <JJF> I lived in ATL
[09:43] <knixtech> do u have aim or anythng?
[09:43] <knixtech> nice
[09:43] <JJF> ran away
[09:43] <JJF> hehe
[09:43] <knixtech> heehee
[09:43] <JJF> i'm at the beach again
[09:43] <knixtech> congrats
[09:43] <JJF> thanks1
[09:43] <JJF> we can setup a confere here ;)
[09:44] <JJF> anyone interested?
[09:44] <JJF> haha
[09:44] <JJF> conference
[09:44] <knixtech> JJF, do you use aim or somekind of protocol?
[09:44] <JJF> ehhh
[09:44] <JJF> aim?
[09:44] <knixtech> ya
[09:44] <JJF> u mean the messenger right?
[09:44] <knixtech> ya
[09:44] <JJF> still on old msn
[09:45] <knixtech> do u use it
[09:45] <JJF> yep
[09:45] <JJF> it's on now
[09:45] <knixtech> do u mind if i have your username
[09:45] <JJF> jjfortuin@hotmail.com
[09:45] <knixtech> ty
[09:46] <knixtech> hehe