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GNUrantekwwii: ok, no problem! 12:11
Tm_Toh man12:14
Tm_Tsomeone should be glad I'm not op in #ubuntu+1 12:14
DaSkreechSup?12:19
Tm_Tnothing12:21
jdongwow... just heard about lilo.....12:33
jdongRIP.....12:33
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jdongand to think I was just about to go for a bike ride or jog....12:40
DaSkreechThat sucks12:40
jdongyeah, it does suck12:42
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DaSkreechSome guy is complaining about Steve irwin on the chan01:05
Riddellwhich channel?01:05
DaSkreech#freenode-announce01:06
DaSkreechWEnt to 1025 users a while back01:06
DaSkreechIt's crazy trying to get people to stop making fun if lilo etc01:07
DaSkreechof01:07
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DaSkreechHawkwind: They have two lilo chans now?01:51
HawkwindThere is lilo-memorial which was +m til just a few seconds ago01:52
DaSkreechRight they just +m again01:53
claydohwow, thats sad news :(01:56
DaSkreechYeah01:56
claydohI actually chatted with him a little back when there was a #lycoris chan01:56
claydohhad no clew who he was either:)01:57
DaSkreechI always thought he was a bot so I sent him a saucy reply one day and we been chatting since then01:57
claydoh:)01:58
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bddebianHowdy02:03
DaSkreechhi02:09
bddebianHeya DaSkreech02:15
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DaSkreechI do my best02:16
kwwiinight all02:21
DaSkreechnight02:21
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DaSkreechHawkwind: Though this should pretty much be done here :)03:00
DaSkreech!noob03:10
ubotuWords like noob, jfgi, stfu or rtfm are not welcome in this channel. Period.03:10
DaSkreechAh ok so Woot is allowed :)03:10
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DaSkreechHobbsee Hello Hobbs03:13
Hobbseehey DaSkreech 03:14
DaSkreechOk03:15
DaSkreechMykeyboardjustwentaywire03:15
Hobbseehehe03:16
Hobbseebetter that than your mouse.  maybe03:16
DaSkreechWellowdoIaskforelp?03:16
DaSkreechacknoJ++03:17
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DaSkreechWelltatworkedwonders03:29
DaSkreechTisprettymucsootsworkforterestofteday03:32
DaSkreechright03:34
DaSkreechand it suddenly starts working again03:34
DaSkreechHobbsee: Did you know lilo?03:38
HobbseeDaSkreech: not really03:44
DaSkreechOK. Well you did hear he is dead?03:44
Hobbseeyes03:47
DaSkreechAlright :(03:48
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Lathiatdamn.. knot3 kubuntu boots fast04:49
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bddebianGah, I'm drawing a blank.  What is the kubuntu package manager thingy called again?07:23
bddebianIt is 1:30am after all and I'm old :-(07:24
JucatoAdept07:24
bddebianThx Jucato07:24
Jucatono problem07:24
Jucatoprof... :P07:24
bddebianpfft, yeah right :)07:25
Jucatoheh07:27
jsgotangcopfft07:27
jsgotangcoexcuses excuses bddebian 07:27
Jucatopfft07:27
jsgotangcohmm why does sysinitv still want to be installed hrmmm07:28
bddebianHeya jsgotangco :)07:29
jsgotangcohey07:31
Jucatochanging Konversation's default "server" settings to irc.ubuntu.com (which really just points to freenode)... lilo dying... quite ironic... :(07:31
jsgotangcolilo was great, he was always avaialble during the ubuntu irc communitys formative years07:33
imbrandonello everyone07:41
Jucatohi imbrandon! :)07:42
bddebianHeya imbrandon07:42
imbrandonwow some people have no respect ( in #freenode-announce )07:42
Jucatowhy? what are they saying?07:42
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seaLneimbrandon: i'm sure it hasn't got any better in the last 9 hours, it was a weird mixture of comments when it was announced08:05
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imbrandonheya Hobbsee , and raphink09:19
Hobbseehey imbrandon 09:20
imbrandonsee the news about lilo ?09:20
imbrandonsucks09:20
Hobbseeyeah09:20
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mornfallmorning09:32
Hobbseehey mornfall!09:33
mornfallthe times are bad... i'm wondering how long will they last09:34
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Hobbsee:(09:36
Tm_Tmoin09:40
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fdovingwow.. disabling anti-aliasing made KDE alot faster.10:34
mornfallare you sure?10:57
mornfallin what respect?10:58
mornfallif it's things like konsole redraw10:58
mornfallor window switch redraw10:58
mornfallthen i'd blame the graphics driver10:58
Tm_Taye11:08
Tm_TI noticed no difference in speed, lot more ugly it was =)11:08
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mornfallmake sure your render is accelerated as it should ;-)11:31
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fdovingmornfall: i actually have left aa on in konsole. but everything else, except desktop icons and window titles are without.. and it feels alot faster.11:42
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fdovingkmail is the big winner here.11:43
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kwwiimoin12:41
Hobbseehey kwwii 12:42
kwwiihowdy Hobbsee12:42
kwwiiit seems the ksplash package that we finished yesterday is b0rked12:43
kwwii:-(12:43
Hobbseeabout how it's full screened?12:44
imbrandonabout how you cant see the middle box12:44
imbrandoni noticed that a bit ago12:45
imbrandonfun, lightning / power storms here now12:46
imbrandonsounds like a fskin tonado outside12:46
imbrandontornado12:47
ajmitchwho here cares & loves for digikam?12:47
Hobbseeyou do12:47
ajmitchno, I take care of f-spot12:47
imbrandoni like it, i use it semi oftern ( to get pics of my camera ) why ?12:47
ajmitchbut I just uploaded a libgphoto2 change that could affect digikam12:47
Hobbseeoh, digikam... that'd be toma or allee12:47
kwwiiHobbsee: yes, exactly, that is not how it was meant to be12:47
Hobbseethey're the debian-type people too12:47
ajmitchso if there are issues about importing, etc, tell me :)12:48
imbrandonajmitch, okes12:48
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imbrandonajmitch, i'll try it out once it hits the archive12:48
ajmitchthanks12:48
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ajmitchyeah, I have to charge mine too12:50
ajmitchit was annoying taking photos the other night & having the battery warning show up :)12:50
imbrandonheh12:50
Hobbseeajmitch: and get rid of the horrible pictures on yours :P12:50
imbrandonlol12:51
ajmitchHobbsee: what horrible photos? :)12:52
Hobbseeajmitch: the ones of me.12:52
Hobbseein the food court12:52
=== ajmitch should export some photos to flickr...
Hobbseewith yagisan.12:52
Hobbseeajmitch: have you forgotten my comment, and then kicking yagisan under the table?12:52
Hobbsee*that* day12:53
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ajmitchnot at all :)12:53
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Hobbseeheh12:53
=== ajmitch selects some photos to export to flickr
imbrandon;)12:53
=== ryanakca_ just had konversation crash... handy dandy KDE Crash Handler pops up... but I get the problem of "(no debugging symbols found)"
abattoirryanakca: might need to install gdb12:56
ryanakcaabattoir: it's been installed for ages...12:56
ryanakcaabattoir: hmmm...12:56
Tm_Tryanakca: then install knetwork-dbg or so12:57
ryanakcaI wonder if the packages ./configure gets passed the --debugging (or something simillar) option at build...12:57
imbrandonryanakca, konversation-dbg ?12:57
ryanakcaah... os it's inthere?12:57
Tm_Tkonversation-dbg - debugging symbols for konversation12:57
ryanakcamorning typing... so it's in there :)12:57
imbrandonkonversation - user friendly Internet Relay Chat (IRC) client for KDE12:57
imbrandonkonversation-dbg - debugging symbols for konversation12:57
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HobbseeTm_T: check the description of kdenetwork-dbg12:58
Tm_THobbsee: ok12:59
Hobbseeoh, i thought it said more than that12:59
Tm_T:p12:59
Hobbseeit doesnt have symbols for much12:59
imbrandonHobbsee, but konversation doesnt get built as part of kdenetwork ( like kopete )12:59
Tm_Thelp.ubuntu.com is stuck12:59
Hobbseeindeed01:00
imbrandonmost of the time its <package>-bdg though ryanakca01:00
imbrandonerr -dbg01:00
ryanakcayeah... and why isn't -dbg installed as a dependency of <package>? or just made into one great big package01:01
imbrandonbecouse that would be silly, why would you "normaly" want to install that01:01
imbrandonwhy strip them out and them make it a dependabce01:02
Hobbseeit would also cause a circular dependancy, which is a Bad Thing (tm)01:02
ryanakcameh... you win :P01:02
Hobbseeryanakca: of course the other reason:  cd space01:03
HobbseeThe following NEW packages will be installed:01:03
Hobbsee  kdebase-dbg kdelibs-dbg kdepim-dbg kdeutils-dbg01:03
Hobbsee0 upgraded, 4 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.01:03
HobbseeNeed to get 116MB of archives.01:03
HobbseeAfter unpacking 326MB of additional disk space will be used.01:03
imbrandonand the fact that 99% of the time they arent needed01:04
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=== ryanakca made konversation crash again... go /dcc chat nick ... krash... *waits as -dbg is installed*
ryanakcabrb, once again01:07
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ryanakcagot the backtrace :)01:10
ryanakcaimbrandon: mind sending a /dcc chat   request to me? see if recieving one makes me crash? I know sending one to my bot did...01:16
=== Hobbsee wonders how that works
imbrandoni cant sorry, i have dcc disabled at the router level01:17
imbrandonHobbsee might be able to01:17
=== imbrandon pokes her
Hobbseehmm...timeout01:17
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ryanakca[07:13]  [DCC]  Establishing DCC Chat connection to Hobbsee (hobbseesip:50576)...01:18
ryanakca[07:13]  [Error]  Connection broken, error code 10.01:18
imbrandonlol01:18
Hobbseei suspect it's disabled here too01:18
imbrandonHobbsee, you have a router/firewall ? it probably is01:18
imbrandonit is by default most of the time01:18
Hobbseeimbrandon: yep01:18
imbrandondcc's are dangerous to me, i just use ftp/web/email01:18
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imbrandonwhy not build commands into the bot ')01:19
imbrandonlike %whoami01:19
imbrandon%whoami01:19
ubotuimbrandon01:19
imbrandon;)01:19
ryanakcano, administration stuff...01:19
imbrandonand ?01:19
ryanakcalike .die... (and yes, kill -9 works... but it messes stuff up)01:20
imbrandonquery's work 01:20
imbrandonask Seveas , about %quit etc all his commands are part of the bot01:20
imbrandonjoin part quit restart reload etc01:20
ryanakcaand he runs what again? supybot?01:20
imbrandoni think he coded them himself in python 01:21
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imbrandondunno01:21
ryanakcaouch... *gulps*01:21
imbrandonstill better than buggy, insecure dcc ;)01:21
ryanakcayes01:21
imbrandoni hope the power dont go out, its raining hard here now01:22
Seveasimbrandon, supybot01:22
Hobbseehey Seveas 01:22
SeveasI only coded the plugins01:22
imbrandonahh ;)01:22
Seveashey Sarah01:22
Hobbsee....01:23
HobbseeSeveas: started using my real name now, hey?01:23
imbrandonhehe01:23
ryanakcalol01:23
imbrandonsudo /etc/init.d/tleds reload01:24
imbrandongah01:24
=== ryanakca points at that pointy stick that 'Sarah' keeps around
imbrandonrestart anyhow bleh01:24
ryanakcait's painful... and we're offtopic, *gulps*01:24
=== Hobbsee attacks ryanakca with the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!
=== imbrandon points her to start thinking of a good hostname NOW for her new coreduo ;)
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ryanakcalol01:25
imbrandonhahaha01:25
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ryanakcas/hey/her01:25
ryanakcaUbugtu: I tried that once... wasn't pretty01:25
Ubugturyanakca: pointy thing == Hobbsee01:25
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Hobbseehaha01:25
Hobbseeimbrandon: for her new coreduo?  oh yes.  i dont get that for a while though.01:26
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imbrandonexactly and your stuck with sarah@sarah~$ for tooo long01:26
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Hobbseeimbrandon: hehe, why?01:27
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Seveas*crash*01:27
Hobbseesarah@longpointystickofdoom?01:27
Hobbseehahahaha01:27
ryanakcalol01:27
imbrandonhaha01:27
Seveasyou didn't throw hard enough01:27
HobbseeSeveas: that'll teach you to mess with the master01:27
SeveasI came crashing back01:27
Hobbseei'm a girl, i cant.01:27
Seveastrue01:27
imbrandonlol @ Seveas01:27
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=== Seveas names his machins after airplanes
Seveasthis thing is mirage01:28
imbrandonwow i think the rain is gonna start comming inside, /me gos to look for satalight photos on the web01:28
Hobbseewhat...a car?01:28
ryanakcadunno *googles it*01:28
imbrandonairplane01:28
imbrandonmine are all ST ships01:29
imbrandon;)01:29
Hobbseea mirage is a model of car here01:29
=== Hobbsee wonders if one can change the hostname
ryanakcaryan@longpointystickofdoom:~$    01:29
ryanakcaHobbsee: sudo hostname newhostname01:29
imbrandonHobbsee, yea with 2 simple changes01:29
imbrandonHobbsee, just change it in /etc/hostname ( the only thing in the file ) and in /etc/hosts ( next to 127.0.0.1 )01:30
imbrandonreboot then your golden01:30
imbrandonryanakca, that breaks sometimes01:30
imbrandonbetter to do it manulay01:30
ryanakcaimbrandon: doesn't the hostname command do that as well? or does it only change /etc/hostname01:30
ryanakcaah01:30
imbrandonit dosent change /etc/hosts so it breaks sudo01:31
imbrandonas sudo wants to lookup the hostname for some reason to make it match01:31
imbrandonor some such01:31
ryanakcaodd01:31
=== ryanakca wonders how long "bzip2 -9 home.tar" will take... it's a 11GB archive :)
=== ryanakca is backing up and making a fresh install...
imbrandons/bzip2/gzip01:32
ryanakcadoesn't compress as much, does it?01:33
imbrandoni dunno i just dont like bz2 archives01:33
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ryanakcaI'm figuring... 30min for 2.3gb of music... translates to... 2-3 hours across the network... and then back when edgy is installed...01:35
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Riddellimbrandon: did the amarok patches get uploaded?01:39
imbrandonRiddell, yea01:40
Riddellgreat, thanks01:40
imbrandonlast night sometime01:41
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Hobbseesarah@LongPointyStickOfDoom:~$ echo Boo01:43
HobbseeBoo01:43
Hobbseesarah@LongPointyStickOfDoom:~$01:43
Hobbseeimbrandon: ryanakca ^01:43
abattoirRiddell: http://muse.19inch.net/~abattoir/shots/error.png01:43
ryanakcalol :)01:43
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Riddellabattoir: hmm01:43
imbrandonGAH OMFG01:43
imbrandonHobbsee, i hope there isnt anything on voyager you need, i'm gonna take this opertunity to relead it with a fresh knot301:44
ryanakcaI thought a hostname needed to be allinlowercase...01:44
imbrandonSeveas, ping01:44
Hobbseeimbrandon: give me a sec to check01:44
abattoirRiddell: the first time oem-config-gtk was installed...01:44
Hobbseeryanakca: seems not01:44
imbrandonheh01:44
imbrandonHobbsee, i'm on battery power from my laptop atm , power just went out and bored my fs i think, i'm gonna take the opertunity to reload it01:44
abattoirRiddell: the next time, i didnt select 'kubuntu desktop'(dont remember the option correctly), that time oem-config-kde was installed01:44
imbrandonryanakca, no it just makes it easier01:45
Hobbseeimbrandon: yeah, it's not ssh'able, it seems.01:45
Hobbseeimbrandon: it should be fine01:45
Hobbseei dont think i had anything major on there01:45
imbrandonHobbsee, yea power is out here the server is running on USP and i'm on my laptop01:45
Hobbseeimbrandon: want to just ls /home/sarah for me?01:45
Hobbseeand ls /home/sarah/TODO?01:46
imbrandonummm fs is borked hehe i can try to save it, it was the reasson i was just gonna do a fresh install01:46
Hobbseeer, s%sarah%hobbsee%01:46
Hobbseewell, yeah.    ahhh, so you cant access it at all.  that's finfe01:46
imbrandonyea i get a kernel panic on boot, thus a good time to install knot301:47
imbrandon;)01:47
imbrandon( once the power is back on )01:47
abattoirRiddell: the second time, when oem-config-kde *was* installed, i got this when trying 'sudo oem-config'01:47
Riddellabattoir: didn't select where?01:47
abattoirRiddell: during installation, it asks something about the desktop which you want to install(sorry dont remember the correct name)01:47
abattoirRiddell: the only option was kubuntu01:48
imbrandonsoftware select screen iirc01:48
abattoirRiddell: fish://abattoir@muse.19inch.net/home/abattoir/public_html/shots/error1.png01:48
abattoiroops01:48
abattoirRiddell: http://muse.19inch.net/~abattoir/shots/error1.png01:48
Riddellaccessibility doesn't work either, so I need to do some installation options testing01:49
Hobbseeimbrandon: gotcha.01:50
abattoirRiddell: hmmm, just checked /usr/sbin/oem-config doesnt have kde-ui01:50
abattoirRiddell: i thought Kamion said he'd add it01:50
abattoirRiddell: shall i ask him?01:51
Tm_TI'm having hard time to find any reasonable way to change default booting kernel, some easy newb way it should be01:51
Riddelloem-config-kde_1.2_all.deb is definately on the CD01:52
imbrandonRiddell, when i uploaded amarok too i changed install-mp3 a bit to use lsb_release -sc as opposed to just assuming dapper01:52
RiddellTm_T: write us a guidance module for grub setup then :)01:52
Riddellimbrandon: nice01:52
abattoirRiddell: yes, its on the CD and was installed the second time(see the screen shot)01:52
abattoirRiddell: /usr/sbin/oem-config is missing 'kde-ui'01:52
Tm_TRiddell: that's what I'm thinking, we need such thing01:53
Tm_TRiddell: guidance is pyhton/ruby/c++ ?01:53
Tm_Tor all of that? :p01:53
faboTm_T: python/c++01:53
Tm_Troger01:54
Riddellmostly python01:54
_Sime_tiny bit of C.01:55
Tm_Tok, time to learn python then ;)01:55
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fabolibpythonize is C ?01:55
imbrandoncan someone paste me the url for the x86 knot3 desktop iso ( kubuntu ) so i can wget it , sorry i'm stuck at console atm01:56
Riddellw3m is your friend :)01:56
imbrandon;)01:56
Tm_Tbut I won't be able to do it for months yet, I'm planning to get back hacking in december01:56
Riddellerr, doh, I should put knot 3 on  kubuntu.org01:56
Riddellhttp://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/edgy/knot-3/edgy-desktop-i386.iso01:57
abattoirRiddell: should i ask Kamion to modify /usr/sbin/oem-config ?01:57
abattoirRiddell: or rather oem-config, which goes there01:57
fabois it faster to ask for a sync or be sponsored ?01:59
Riddellabattoir: yes, looks like it needs it01:59
Riddellalthough kamion doesn't like working weekends :)01:59
imbrandonRiddell, thanks01:59
abattoirok, i'll catch him tomorrow then01:59
HobbseeRiddell: heh.  no idea why :P02:00
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Riddellabattoir: hmm, having oem-config not depend on metacity would be nice02:00
abattoirRiddell: i think he did the control file as well02:01
abattoirRiddell: i dont know why it does, i'll ask him02:03
imbrandonfabo, for what , normaly syncs dont need a sponsor ( other than maybe an "ack" on the LP bug02:11
imbrandon)02:11
imbrandonahhh power is back on ......02:12
imbrandonman that sucked, but i guess it gives me a chance for a clean install02:12
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imbrandonello apachelogger02:12
Hobbseehey apachelogger 02:13
faboimbrandon: new strigi release02:13
imbrandonif it is a sync ( no changes needed ) then Hobbsee can point you at the proceedure for filing a bug on LP to get it synced02:14
imbrandonif its a merge then its a bit diffrent02:14
apacheloggerahoy imbrandon and Hobbsee02:14
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faboi know the procedure, just i want to know what is the faster way :)02:14
imbrandonwell there is only one way depending on what is needed i guess is what i'm saying ;)02:15
fabook so sync is LP :)02:15
imbrandonyea take the debian version and build it etc etc etc and file the bug on LP and get a MOTU  ( core-dev if its main ) to ack it02:16
imbrandonok brb afk while i re-install voyager, man i need some cd-rw's i go though cd's too fast02:16
Hobbseeand file the UVF exception, if it's in main...02:16
imbrandonand have good reason etc etc etc hehehehe ok really gone02:17
imbrandonman i really dident wanna do this today02:17
faborah i need a simplified procedure ;)02:17
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Hobbseefabo: make sure you subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors so we can ack all of your syncs02:18
imbrandonmotu-revu not sponsors ( as there is nothing to sponsor )02:19
imbrandonmotu-reviewers02:19
fabook02:19
Hobbseeimbrandon: does anyone even check that team?02:20
imbrandonHobbsee, yes02:20
Hobbseehmmm ok02:20
imbrandonit gets emails just like the rest of LP ;)02:21
Hobbseetrue that...02:22
Hobbseehavent noticed them02:22
imbrandonthats becouse most just ping someone on irc or mistakenly subscribe a sponsor team when there isnt anything to sponsor filling my folder with unrealted stuff ;)02:23
Hobbseeheh, right02:24
imbrandonugh i hope i had everything important backed up02:26
Hobbseehehe02:26
Hobbseeyou probably didnt02:26
imbrandonmusic , mail, gpg all backed up .....02:27
imbrandonhrm 02:27
Hobbseessh stuff?02:27
imbrandoni cant think of anything but my konversation scriptfoo but thats no biggie02:28
imbrandonwhat ssh stuff?02:28
Hobbseeif you had anything in .ssh/ that you wanted to keep02:29
imbrandonthats just a matter of installing openssh-server and making you an account ;)02:29
imbrandonno real "custom" stuff there02:29
imbrandonahh just a key for LP and imbrandon.com but i can regen those, thats easy02:30
imbrandoni do that on new reloads anyhow02:30
imbrandonsides i have a backup of /home/brandon thats only a few days old02:32
imbrandon;)02:33
marseillai_on my both computer keep can't backup my ~ because of ~/.kde some files gives error and keep can't backup! and the maintainer (JRe) has disappear ...02:33
exobuzzsome files gives error?02:35
exobuzzwhat error ?02:35
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Tonio__hi02:50
Tonio__kwwii: it looks like changing baseresolution causes a few issues02:50
Tonio__kwwii: icons are scaled and Dialog.png doesn't appear....02:51
Tonio__I don't really understand how moodin works...02:51
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Hobbsee!bug03:03
ubotuIf you find a bug in Ubuntu, please report it at http://bugs.ubuntu.com03:03
mornfallbuggle! buggle!03:04
Hobbseehehe03:04
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bddebianHowdy03:04
mornfallsup :)03:05
bddebianHi mornfall03:05
mornfalllife's a vacuum cleaner and we are the dust in the carpet03:05
mornfall(but i'm almost taking it positively now)03:06
bddebianHeh03:06
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mornfallwhere's the wikiqueen, quick!03:07
Tonio_hey bddebian, mornfall03:10
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bddebianHello Tonio_03:10
mornfallhey Tonio_ 03:10
Tonio_Hobbsee: I was thinking about powermanager03:11
Tonio_Hobbsee: shouldn't we add a sound on the low battery alert ?03:11
HobbseeTonio_: yep?03:11
HobbseeTonio_: hmmm...yes, that would be wise03:11
Tonio_Hobbsee: the alert is a bit too little, easy to miss it03:11
Tonio_or maybe change it to a window that you have to click "yes" to continue03:12
Tonio_I mean, this has to be strong alert in my view03:12
HobbseeTonio_: i get low battery alerts when i'm still 15 min away from battery dead - supposedly.  it's actually more like 20.  i'd suggest a system beep would be useful though03:12
Tonio_Hobbsee: a first at 20 minutes and a second one at 5 minutes03:13
Hobbseeyeah03:13
Tonio_Hobbsee: the second one ask if you want to hybernate, or adds a sound.......03:13
Tonio_and is in a way stronger03:13
Hobbseeahh...yep03:13
Tonio_that shouldn't be hard to do03:14
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Tonio_this is what windows does and I think it is the good approach03:14
Hobbseeyep03:14
seb__Hello03:14
Tonio_hi seb__03:14
Tonio_Hobbsee: will talk about that with lure and sebas03:15
seb__Does somebody already tryed to package a KDE application?03:15
HobbseeTonio_: smart.03:15
Hobbsee....03:15
Tonio_seb__: well you are on kubuntu-devel, so yes, of course :)03:16
sebasI'd rather not make the warning configurable, maybe we should just do it 3 or 5 minutes before the critical action is configured.03:16
sebasMaking it configurable would clutter the UI too much.03:16
Tonio_sebas: yes that's my feeling03:16
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Tonio_sebas: a second alert, but lowder one, with sound maybe no ?03:17
sebasTonio_: I'll change it shortlyu.03:17
sebasNo, we cannot just make the machine make sound03:17
sebasI'd hate it in most situations.03:17
seb__Good. I'm at the "fakeroot debian/rules binary" stage of the .deb package creation. But in a Makefile.am, there is a $(kde_datadir), so it try to install some files in / instead of the debian/myapp folder.03:17
Tonio_sebas: hum, yes, me too, but on critical alert...03:17
sebasCritical is no alert :>03:17
sebasIt's an actio n03:17
sebasOK, I'm off again.03:18
Tonio_sebas: okay, so how about a second alert dialog but that you have to click to continue ?03:18
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sebasOne should be really enough.03:18
Tonio_sebas: like "warning ! you are very low on bettery. D you want to continue ?"03:18
Tonio_sebas: hum...03:18
Tonio_seb__: I don't understand the point03:19
Tonio_seb__: why installing datas in / and not creating a deb file ?03:19
Tonio_seb__: debuild is easier than playing manually with fakeroot03:19
ryanakcaedgy-alternate-amd64.iso would work for a ppc, right?03:20
sebasWe could maybe add a button "Ignore warning" to the tooltip.03:20
sebasSo I'm really off now :-)03:20
sebaslater!03:20
Tonio_ryanakca: no :)03:20
Tonio_sebas: okay :)03:20
Tonio_seya03:20
seb__Where can I modify $(kde_datadir) to something like $(CURDIR)/debian/basket ?03:21
seb__I already modified the debian/rules file to use "PREFIX" instead of "DESTDIR" : $(MAKE) install PREFIX=$(CURDIR)/debian/basket03:21
seb__So I think it should work...03:21
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Tonio_seb__: you shouldn't do that03:21
Tonio_files are installed to debian/yourapp before the package creation03:21
Tonio_that's "normal"03:21
Tonio_debian/yourapp is a tmp equivalent to / before the package is build03:22
Tonio_seb__: I must say I don't understanf the point...03:22
seb__Tonio_: Yes I know. I haven't explained well. I do a "fakeroot debian/rules binary" and it tells me "03:23
seb__test -z "/usr/share/apps/basket/backgrounds" || mkdir -p -- "/usr/share/apps/basket/backgrounds"03:23
seb__mkdir: ne peut crer le rpertoire `/usr/share/apps/basket': Permission non accorde03:23
Tonio_seb__: looks like your compating the things a lot !03:23
Tonio_seb__: ah t'es francais :)03:23
Tonio_bon autant se le faire en fr et en private03:23
Tonio_ce sera plus simple03:23
seb__Tonio_: cool03:23
seb__Tonio_: I can't send you PV messages :      [15:24]  [505]  Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )03:24
Tonio_okay03:25
Tonio_well let's go to #gouziprout03:25
Tonio_hehe03:25
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bddebianHeya jsgotangco03:27
kwwiiTonio_: dude, the ksplash dialog is b0rked03:27
jsgotangcohiya03:28
kwwiiTonio_: the "window" or whatever you want to call it (Dialog.png) is not shown so the icons are on the wallpaper directly03:29
kwwiiTonio_: I guess the base resolution has a lot more to do with things than we guessed :p03:29
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Tonio_kwwii: that's due to base_resolution change...03:35
Tonio_it looks like Riddell's patch is for a specific resol03:35
Tonio_kwwii: I'm gonna test and probably change back to 1280x1024 as it was before03:35
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Tonio_kwwii: icons are not supposed to be scaled but I assume they are scaled but to fit 1280 resol03:37
Tonio_kwwii: that's "illusion" of non scaling in fact03:37
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Tonio_kwwii: ping for when you're back :)05:34
kwwiiTonio_: hi05:36
kwwiiTonio_: so setting the bg to 1280x1024 and including that sizes picture and just accepting that it will be scaled up for most people is our best choice?05:37
Tonio_kwwii: before any feedback from riddell yes, I think so05:43
kwwiiok, then let's do that05:43
Tonio_kwwii: but I prefer to wait for another upload to change this05:43
kwwiiyeah05:43
kwwiifor now, it works and is a known bug05:44
Tonio_kwwii: I don't want 4 kds uploads just for that setting hehe :)05:44
kwwiibut we need to fix it the next time we update the package05:44
Tonio_that's not faire in the changelog :)05:44
kwwiihehe05:44
kwwiiwell, it is too much work anyway05:44
kwwiiwhen we do that I have one small change to the color scheme...the inactive window border color needs to tweak05:44
Tonio_yes, so when you need for another upload, please let me know and I'll add the stuff plus the theme.rc settings back05:44
Tonio_kwwii: yes for example :)05:45
kwwiiwe can wait until we have more stuff done05:45
kwwiiI can also include the metabar theme05:45
kwwiietc.05:45
Tonio_kwwii: hehe yes, we are already version 39 :)05:45
kwwii;-)05:45
Tonio_don't wanna come to version 80 :)05:45
kwwiiperhaps on tuesday or so05:45
kwwiihow much more time do we have until we cannot change anything?05:45
gnomefreakthe 28th?05:46
kwwiiwow, so late05:46
kwwiicool05:46
gnomefreakthats the uni freeze so im thinking its the last day to add anything05:47
Tonio_kwwii: kds can be changed at anytime since it is native package05:47
kwwiiperhaps we should do a slight tweak to the about pages (just adjusting the blue)05:47
gnomefreakah05:47
Tonio_kwwii: except main freeze, which is just at the end05:47
kwwiiTonio_: yeah, but eventually we need to test one final set of stuff and see if there are problems05:47
Tonio_feature freeze doesn't impact native kubuntu devs like guidance or kds05:47
Tonio_kwwii: of course we are not going to change important stuff 3 days before release ;)05:48
kwwii:p05:48
Tonio_kwwii: note that this has been done in the past :)05:48
Tonio_inclusion of kde 3.4.3 3 days before breezy was out05:49
Tonio_a NIGHTARE05:49
Tonio_all the the working stuff like kdeprint was crashing etc......05:49
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Tonio_systemsettings was not working, so impossible to manage the system for Joe etc......05:49
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kwwiihehe06:56
kwwiisorry, I was making dinner06:56
Tonio_hum this seb__ guy is basKet upstream :)06:59
Tonio_hehe, interesting to have him here, interested in kubuntu06:59
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kwwii;-)07:03
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danimohi09:37
danimoimbrandon: ping?09:38
GNUrantehi09:38
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Tm_Tmooh10:05
Tm_TI love Eqonomize! <3<310:06
danimoRiddell: ping?10:06
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GNUredgy universe repository works?10:32
rouzicimbrandon: Knot2/Knot3 is not compattible and the wifi in the macbook :(10:35
crimsunwhile knot 3's kernel is newer than knot 2's, we have a new kernel being spun10:44
Riddellerk, must be a better way to do it than that11:06
Riddelldanimo: hi11:06
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kwwiierm, which package are the new window buttons in?11:46
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kwwiiRiddell: which package has the kubuntu window buttons? the old ones are still in kwin-style-crystal it seems11:53
nixternali did a couple of those libgamin fixes yesterday and put them on revu..anyone revu and upload if possible, thanks ;)12:05

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