[12:11] <GNUrante> kwwii: ok, no problem! 
[12:14] <Tm_T> oh man
[12:14] <Tm_T> someone should be glad I'm not op in #ubuntu+1 
[12:19] <DaSkreech> Sup?
[12:21] <Tm_T> nothing
[12:33] <jdong> wow... just heard about lilo.....
[12:33] <jdong> RIP.....
[12:40] <jdong> and to think I was just about to go for a bike ride or jog....
[12:40] <DaSkreech> That sucks
[12:42] <jdong> yeah, it does suck
[01:05] <DaSkreech> Some guy is complaining about Steve irwin on the chan
[01:05] <Riddell> which channel?
[01:06] <DaSkreech> #freenode-announce
[01:06] <DaSkreech> WEnt to 1025 users a while back
[01:07] <DaSkreech> It's crazy trying to get people to stop making fun if lilo etc
[01:07] <DaSkreech> of
[01:51] <DaSkreech> Hawkwind: They have two lilo chans now?
[01:52] <Hawkwind> There is lilo-memorial which was +m til just a few seconds ago
[01:53] <DaSkreech> Right they just +m again
[01:56] <claydoh> wow, thats sad news :(
[01:56] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[01:56] <claydoh> I actually chatted with him a little back when there was a #lycoris chan
[01:57] <claydoh> had no clew who he was either:)
[01:57] <DaSkreech> I always thought he was a bot so I sent him a saucy reply one day and we been chatting since then
[01:58] <claydoh> :)
[02:03] <bddebian> Howdy
[02:09] <DaSkreech> hi
[02:15] <bddebian> Heya DaSkreech
[02:16] <DaSkreech> I do my best
[02:21] <kwwii> night all
[02:21] <DaSkreech> night
[03:00] <DaSkreech> Hawkwind: Though this should pretty much be done here :)
[03:10] <DaSkreech> !noob
[03:10] <ubotu> Words like noob, jfgi, stfu or rtfm are not welcome in this channel. Period.
[03:10] <DaSkreech> Ah ok so Woot is allowed :)
[03:13] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee Hello Hobbs
[03:14] <Hobbsee> hey DaSkreech 
[03:15] <DaSkreech> Ok
[03:15] <DaSkreech> Mykeyboardjustwentaywire
[03:16] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:16] <Hobbsee> better that than your mouse.  maybe
[03:16] <DaSkreech> WellowdoIaskforelp?
[03:17] <DaSkreech> acknoJ++
[03:29] <DaSkreech> Welltatworkedwonders
[03:32] <DaSkreech> Tisprettymucsootsworkforterestofteday
[03:34] <DaSkreech> right
[03:34] <DaSkreech> and it suddenly starts working again
[03:38] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: Did you know lilo?
[03:44] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: not really
[03:44] <DaSkreech> OK. Well you did hear he is dead?
[03:47] <Hobbsee> yes
[03:48] <DaSkreech> Alright :(
[04:49] <Lathiat> damn.. knot3 kubuntu boots fast
[07:23] <bddebian> Gah, I'm drawing a blank.  What is the kubuntu package manager thingy called again?
[07:24] <bddebian> It is 1:30am after all and I'm old :-(
[07:24] <Jucato> Adept
[07:24] <bddebian> Thx Jucato
[07:24] <Jucato> no problem
[07:24] <Jucato> prof... :P
[07:25] <bddebian> pfft, yeah right :)
[07:27] <Jucato> heh
[07:27] <jsgotangco> pfft
[07:27] <jsgotangco> excuses excuses bddebian 
[07:27] <Jucato> pfft
[07:28] <jsgotangco> hmm why does sysinitv still want to be installed hrmmm
[07:29] <bddebian> Heya jsgotangco :)
[07:31] <jsgotangco> hey
[07:31] <Jucato> changing Konversation's default "server" settings to irc.ubuntu.com (which really just points to freenode)... lilo dying... quite ironic... :(
[07:33] <jsgotangco> lilo was great, he was always avaialble during the ubuntu irc communitys formative years
[07:41] <imbrandon> ello everyone
[07:42] <Jucato> hi imbrandon! :)
[07:42] <bddebian> Heya imbrandon
[07:42] <imbrandon> wow some people have no respect ( in #freenode-announce )
[07:42] <Jucato> why? what are they saying?
[08:05] <seaLne> imbrandon: i'm sure it hasn't got any better in the last 9 hours, it was a weird mixture of comments when it was announced
[09:19] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee , and raphink
[09:20] <Hobbsee> hey imbrandon 
[09:20] <imbrandon> see the news about lilo ?
[09:20] <imbrandon> sucks
[09:20] <Hobbsee> yeah
[09:32] <mornfall> morning
[09:33] <Hobbsee> hey mornfall!
[09:34] <mornfall> the times are bad... i'm wondering how long will they last
[09:36] <Hobbsee> :(
[09:40] <Tm_T> moin
[10:34] <fdoving> wow.. disabling anti-aliasing made KDE alot faster.
[10:57] <mornfall> are you sure?
[10:58] <mornfall> in what respect?
[10:58] <mornfall> if it's things like konsole redraw
[10:58] <mornfall> or window switch redraw
[10:58] <mornfall> then i'd blame the graphics driver
[11:08] <Tm_T> aye
[11:08] <Tm_T> I noticed no difference in speed, lot more ugly it was =)
[11:31] <mornfall> make sure your render is accelerated as it should ;-)
[11:42] <fdoving> mornfall: i actually have left aa on in konsole. but everything else, except desktop icons and window titles are without.. and it feels alot faster.
[11:43] <fdoving> kmail is the big winner here.
[12:41] <kwwii> moin
[12:42] <Hobbsee> hey kwwii 
[12:42] <kwwii> howdy Hobbsee
[12:43] <kwwii> it seems the ksplash package that we finished yesterday is b0rked
[12:43] <kwwii> :-(
[12:44] <Hobbsee> about how it's full screened?
[12:44] <imbrandon> about how you cant see the middle box
[12:45] <imbrandon> i noticed that a bit ago
[12:46] <imbrandon> fun, lightning / power storms here now
[12:46] <imbrandon> sounds like a fskin tonado outside
[12:47] <imbrandon> tornado
[12:47] <ajmitch> who here cares & loves for digikam?
[12:47] <Hobbsee> you do
[12:47] <ajmitch> no, I take care of f-spot
[12:47] <imbrandon> i like it, i use it semi oftern ( to get pics of my camera ) why ?
[12:47] <ajmitch> but I just uploaded a libgphoto2 change that could affect digikam
[12:47] <Hobbsee> oh, digikam... that'd be toma or allee
[12:47] <kwwii> Hobbsee: yes, exactly, that is not how it was meant to be
[12:47] <Hobbsee> they're the debian-type people too
[12:48] <ajmitch> so if there are issues about importing, etc, tell me :)
[12:48] <imbrandon> ajmitch, okes
[12:48] <imbrandon> ajmitch, i'll try it out once it hits the archive
[12:48] <ajmitch> thanks
[12:50] <ajmitch> yeah, I have to charge mine too
[12:50] <ajmitch> it was annoying taking photos the other night & having the battery warning show up :)
[12:50] <imbrandon> heh
[12:50] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: and get rid of the horrible pictures on yours :P
[12:51] <imbrandon> lol
[12:52] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: what horrible photos? :)
[12:52] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: the ones of me.
[12:52] <Hobbsee> in the food court
[12:52] <Hobbsee> with yagisan.
[12:52] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: have you forgotten my comment, and then kicking yagisan under the table?
[12:53] <Hobbsee> *that* day
[12:53] <ajmitch> not at all :)
[12:53] <Hobbsee> heh
[12:53] <imbrandon> ;)
[12:56] <abattoir> ryanakca: might need to install gdb
[12:56] <ryanakca> abattoir: it's been installed for ages...
[12:56] <ryanakca> abattoir: hmmm...
[12:57] <Tm_T> ryanakca: then install knetwork-dbg or so
[12:57] <ryanakca> I wonder if the packages ./configure gets passed the --debugging (or something simillar) option at build...
[12:57] <imbrandon> ryanakca, konversation-dbg ?
[12:57] <ryanakca> ah... os it's inthere?
[12:57] <Tm_T> konversation-dbg - debugging symbols for konversation
[12:57] <ryanakca> morning typing... so it's in there :)
[12:57] <imbrandon> konversation - user friendly Internet Relay Chat (IRC) client for KDE
[12:57] <imbrandon> konversation-dbg - debugging symbols for konversation
[12:58] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: check the description of kdenetwork-dbg
[12:59] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: ok
[12:59] <Hobbsee> oh, i thought it said more than that
[12:59] <Tm_T> :p
[12:59] <Hobbsee> it doesnt have symbols for much
[12:59] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, but konversation doesnt get built as part of kdenetwork ( like kopete )
[12:59] <Tm_T> help.ubuntu.com is stuck
[01:00] <Hobbsee> indeed
[01:00] <imbrandon> most of the time its <package>-bdg though ryanakca
[01:00] <imbrandon> err -dbg
[01:01] <ryanakca> yeah... and why isn't -dbg installed as a dependency of <package>? or just made into one great big package
[01:01] <imbrandon> becouse that would be silly, why would you "normaly" want to install that
[01:02] <imbrandon> why strip them out and them make it a dependabce
[01:02] <Hobbsee> it would also cause a circular dependancy, which is a Bad Thing (tm)
[01:02] <ryanakca> meh... you win :P
[01:03] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: of course the other reason:  cd space
[01:03] <Hobbsee> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[01:03] <Hobbsee>   kdebase-dbg kdelibs-dbg kdepim-dbg kdeutils-dbg
[01:03] <Hobbsee> 0 upgraded, 4 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
[01:03] <Hobbsee> Need to get 116MB of archives.
[01:03] <Hobbsee> After unpacking 326MB of additional disk space will be used.
[01:04] <imbrandon> and the fact that 99% of the time they arent needed
[01:07] <ryanakca> brb, once again
[01:10] <ryanakca> got the backtrace :)
[01:16] <ryanakca> imbrandon: mind sending a /dcc chat   request to me? see if recieving one makes me crash? I know sending one to my bot did...
[01:17] <imbrandon> i cant sorry, i have dcc disabled at the router level
[01:17] <imbrandon> Hobbsee might be able to
[01:17] <Hobbsee> hmm...timeout
[01:18] <ryanakca> [07:13]  [DCC]  Establishing DCC Chat connection to Hobbsee (hobbseesip:50576)...
[01:18] <ryanakca> [07:13]  [Error]  Connection broken, error code 10.
[01:18] <imbrandon> lol
[01:18] <Hobbsee> i suspect it's disabled here too
[01:18] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, you have a router/firewall ? it probably is
[01:18] <imbrandon> it is by default most of the time
[01:18] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yep
[01:18] <imbrandon> dcc's are dangerous to me, i just use ftp/web/email
[01:19] <imbrandon> why not build commands into the bot ')
[01:19] <imbrandon> like %whoami
[01:19] <imbrandon> %whoami
[01:19] <ubotu> imbrandon
[01:19] <imbrandon> ;)
[01:19] <ryanakca> no, administration stuff...
[01:19] <imbrandon> and ?
[01:20] <ryanakca> like .die... (and yes, kill -9 works... but it messes stuff up)
[01:20] <imbrandon> query's work 
[01:20] <imbrandon> ask Seveas , about %quit etc all his commands are part of the bot
[01:20] <imbrandon> join part quit restart reload etc
[01:20] <ryanakca> and he runs what again? supybot?
[01:21] <imbrandon> i think he coded them himself in python 
[01:21] <imbrandon> dunno
[01:21] <ryanakca> ouch... *gulps*
[01:21] <imbrandon> still better than buggy, insecure dcc ;)
[01:21] <ryanakca> yes
[01:22] <imbrandon> i hope the power dont go out, its raining hard here now
[01:22] <Seveas> imbrandon, supybot
[01:22] <Hobbsee> hey Seveas 
[01:22] <Seveas> I only coded the plugins
[01:22] <imbrandon> ahh ;)
[01:22] <Seveas> hey Sarah
[01:23] <Hobbsee> ....
[01:23] <Hobbsee> Seveas: started using my real name now, hey?
[01:23] <imbrandon> hehe
[01:23] <ryanakca> lol
[01:24] <imbrandon> sudo /etc/init.d/tleds reload
[01:24] <imbrandon> gah
[01:24] <imbrandon> restart anyhow bleh
[01:24] <ryanakca> it's painful... and we're offtopic, *gulps*
[01:25] <ryanakca> lol
[01:25] <imbrandon> hahaha
[01:25] <ryanakca> s/hey/her
[01:25] <ryanakca> Ubugtu: I tried that once... wasn't pretty
[01:25] <Ubugtu> ryanakca: pointy thing == Hobbsee
[01:25] <Hobbsee> haha
[01:26] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: for her new coreduo?  oh yes.  i dont get that for a while though.
[01:26] <imbrandon> exactly and your stuck with sarah@sarah~$ for tooo long
[01:27] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: hehe, why?
[01:27] <Seveas> *crash*
[01:27] <Hobbsee> sarah@longpointystickofdoom?
[01:27] <Hobbsee> hahahaha
[01:27] <ryanakca> lol
[01:27] <imbrandon> haha
[01:27] <Seveas> you didn't throw hard enough
[01:27] <Hobbsee> Seveas: that'll teach you to mess with the master
[01:27] <Seveas> I came crashing back
[01:27] <Hobbsee> i'm a girl, i cant.
[01:27] <Seveas> true
[01:27] <imbrandon> lol @ Seveas
[01:28] <Seveas> this thing is mirage
[01:28] <imbrandon> wow i think the rain is gonna start comming inside, /me gos to look for satalight photos on the web
[01:28] <Hobbsee> what...a car?
[01:28] <ryanakca> dunno *googles it*
[01:28] <imbrandon> airplane
[01:29] <imbrandon> mine are all ST ships
[01:29] <imbrandon> ;)
[01:29] <Hobbsee> a mirage is a model of car here
[01:29] <ryanakca> ryan@longpointystickofdoom:~$    
[01:29] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: sudo hostname newhostname
[01:29] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, yea with 2 simple changes
[01:30] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, just change it in /etc/hostname ( the only thing in the file ) and in /etc/hosts ( next to 127.0.0.1 )
[01:30] <imbrandon> reboot then your golden
[01:30] <imbrandon> ryanakca, that breaks sometimes
[01:30] <imbrandon> better to do it manulay
[01:30] <ryanakca> imbrandon: doesn't the hostname command do that as well? or does it only change /etc/hostname
[01:30] <ryanakca> ah
[01:31] <imbrandon> it dosent change /etc/hosts so it breaks sudo
[01:31] <imbrandon> as sudo wants to lookup the hostname for some reason to make it match
[01:31] <imbrandon> or some such
[01:31] <ryanakca> odd
[01:32] <imbrandon> s/bzip2/gzip
[01:33] <ryanakca> doesn't compress as much, does it?
[01:33] <imbrandon> i dunno i just dont like bz2 archives
[01:35] <ryanakca> I'm figuring... 30min for 2.3gb of music... translates to... 2-3 hours across the network... and then back when edgy is installed...
[01:39] <Riddell> imbrandon: did the amarok patches get uploaded?
[01:40] <imbrandon> Riddell, yea
[01:40] <Riddell> great, thanks
[01:41] <imbrandon> last night sometime
[01:43] <Hobbsee> sarah@LongPointyStickOfDoom:~$ echo Boo
[01:43] <Hobbsee> Boo
[01:43] <Hobbsee> sarah@LongPointyStickOfDoom:~$
[01:43] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ryanakca ^
[01:43] <abattoir> Riddell: http://muse.19inch.net/~abattoir/shots/error.png
[01:43] <ryanakca> lol :)
[01:43] <Riddell> abattoir: hmm
[01:43] <imbrandon> GAH OMFG
[01:44] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, i hope there isnt anything on voyager you need, i'm gonna take this opertunity to relead it with a fresh knot3
[01:44] <ryanakca> I thought a hostname needed to be allinlowercase...
[01:44] <imbrandon> Seveas, ping
[01:44] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: give me a sec to check
[01:44] <abattoir> Riddell: the first time oem-config-gtk was installed...
[01:44] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: seems not
[01:44] <imbrandon> heh
[01:44] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, i'm on battery power from my laptop atm , power just went out and bored my fs i think, i'm gonna take the opertunity to reload it
[01:44] <abattoir> Riddell: the next time, i didnt select 'kubuntu desktop'(dont remember the option correctly), that time oem-config-kde was installed
[01:45] <imbrandon> ryanakca, no it just makes it easier
[01:45] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yeah, it's not ssh'able, it seems.
[01:45] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: it should be fine
[01:45] <Hobbsee> i dont think i had anything major on there
[01:45] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, yea power is out here the server is running on USP and i'm on my laptop
[01:45] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: want to just ls /home/sarah for me?
[01:46] <Hobbsee> and ls /home/sarah/TODO?
[01:46] <imbrandon> ummm fs is borked hehe i can try to save it, it was the reasson i was just gonna do a fresh install
[01:46] <Hobbsee> er, s%sarah%hobbsee%
[01:46] <Hobbsee> well, yeah.    ahhh, so you cant access it at all.  that's finfe
[01:47] <imbrandon> yea i get a kernel panic on boot, thus a good time to install knot3
[01:47] <imbrandon> ;)
[01:47] <imbrandon> ( once the power is back on )
[01:47] <abattoir> Riddell: the second time, when oem-config-kde *was* installed, i got this when trying 'sudo oem-config'
[01:47] <Riddell> abattoir: didn't select where?
[01:47] <abattoir> Riddell: during installation, it asks something about the desktop which you want to install(sorry dont remember the correct name)
[01:48] <abattoir> Riddell: the only option was kubuntu
[01:48] <imbrandon> software select screen iirc
[01:48] <abattoir> Riddell: fish://abattoir@muse.19inch.net/home/abattoir/public_html/shots/error1.png
[01:48] <abattoir> oops
[01:48] <abattoir> Riddell: http://muse.19inch.net/~abattoir/shots/error1.png
[01:49] <Riddell> accessibility doesn't work either, so I need to do some installation options testing
[01:50] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: gotcha.
[01:50] <abattoir> Riddell: hmmm, just checked /usr/sbin/oem-config doesnt have kde-ui
[01:50] <abattoir> Riddell: i thought Kamion said he'd add it
[01:51] <abattoir> Riddell: shall i ask him?
[01:51] <Tm_T> I'm having hard time to find any reasonable way to change default booting kernel, some easy newb way it should be
[01:52] <Riddell> oem-config-kde_1.2_all.deb is definately on the CD
[01:52] <imbrandon> Riddell, when i uploaded amarok too i changed install-mp3 a bit to use lsb_release -sc as opposed to just assuming dapper
[01:52] <Riddell> Tm_T: write us a guidance module for grub setup then :)
[01:52] <Riddell> imbrandon: nice
[01:52] <abattoir> Riddell: yes, its on the CD and was installed the second time(see the screen shot)
[01:52] <abattoir> Riddell: /usr/sbin/oem-config is missing 'kde-ui'
[01:53] <Tm_T> Riddell: that's what I'm thinking, we need such thing
[01:53] <Tm_T> Riddell: guidance is pyhton/ruby/c++ ?
[01:53] <Tm_T> or all of that? :p
[01:53] <fabo> Tm_T: python/c++
[01:54] <Tm_T> roger
[01:54] <Riddell> mostly python
[01:55] <_Sime_> tiny bit of C.
[01:55] <Tm_T> ok, time to learn python then ;)
[01:55] <fabo> libpythonize is C ?
[01:56] <imbrandon> can someone paste me the url for the x86 knot3 desktop iso ( kubuntu ) so i can wget it , sorry i'm stuck at console atm
[01:56] <Riddell> w3m is your friend :)
[01:56] <imbrandon> ;)
[01:56] <Tm_T> but I won't be able to do it for months yet, I'm planning to get back hacking in december
[01:56] <Riddell> err, doh, I should put knot 3 on  kubuntu.org
[01:57] <Riddell> http://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/edgy/knot-3/edgy-desktop-i386.iso
[01:57] <abattoir> Riddell: should i ask Kamion to modify /usr/sbin/oem-config ?
[01:57] <abattoir> Riddell: or rather oem-config, which goes there
[01:59] <fabo> is it faster to ask for a sync or be sponsored ?
[01:59] <Riddell> abattoir: yes, looks like it needs it
[01:59] <Riddell> although kamion doesn't like working weekends :)
[01:59] <imbrandon> Riddell, thanks
[01:59] <abattoir> ok, i'll catch him tomorrow then
[02:00] <Hobbsee> Riddell: heh.  no idea why :P
[02:00] <Riddell> abattoir: hmm, having oem-config not depend on metacity would be nice
[02:01] <abattoir> Riddell: i think he did the control file as well
[02:03] <abattoir> Riddell: i dont know why it does, i'll ask him
[02:11] <imbrandon> fabo, for what , normaly syncs dont need a sponsor ( other than maybe an "ack" on the LP bug
[02:11] <imbrandon> )
[02:12] <imbrandon> ahhh power is back on ......
[02:12] <imbrandon> man that sucked, but i guess it gives me a chance for a clean install
[02:12] <imbrandon> ello apachelogger
[02:13] <Hobbsee> hey apachelogger 
[02:13] <fabo> imbrandon: new strigi release
[02:14] <imbrandon> if it is a sync ( no changes needed ) then Hobbsee can point you at the proceedure for filing a bug on LP to get it synced
[02:14] <imbrandon> if its a merge then its a bit diffrent
[02:14] <apachelogger> ahoy imbrandon and Hobbsee
[02:14] <fabo> i know the procedure, just i want to know what is the faster way :)
[02:15] <imbrandon> well there is only one way depending on what is needed i guess is what i'm saying ;)
[02:15] <fabo> ok so sync is LP :)
[02:16] <imbrandon> yea take the debian version and build it etc etc etc and file the bug on LP and get a MOTU  ( core-dev if its main ) to ack it
[02:16] <imbrandon> ok brb afk while i re-install voyager, man i need some cd-rw's i go though cd's too fast
[02:16] <Hobbsee> and file the UVF exception, if it's in main...
[02:17] <imbrandon> and have good reason etc etc etc hehehehe ok really gone
[02:17] <imbrandon> man i really dident wanna do this today
[02:17] <fabo> rah i need a simplified procedure ;)
[02:18] <Hobbsee> fabo: make sure you subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors so we can ack all of your syncs
[02:19] <imbrandon> motu-revu not sponsors ( as there is nothing to sponsor )
[02:19] <imbrandon> motu-reviewers
[02:19] <fabo> ok
[02:20] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: does anyone even check that team?
[02:20] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, yes
[02:20] <Hobbsee> hmmm ok
[02:21] <imbrandon> it gets emails just like the rest of LP ;)
[02:22] <Hobbsee> true that...
[02:22] <Hobbsee> havent noticed them
[02:23] <imbrandon> thats becouse most just ping someone on irc or mistakenly subscribe a sponsor team when there isnt anything to sponsor filling my folder with unrealted stuff ;)
[02:24] <Hobbsee> heh, right
[02:26] <imbrandon> ugh i hope i had everything important backed up
[02:26] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:26] <Hobbsee> you probably didnt
[02:27] <imbrandon> music , mail, gpg all backed up .....
[02:27] <imbrandon> hrm 
[02:27] <Hobbsee> ssh stuff?
[02:28] <imbrandon> i cant think of anything but my konversation scriptfoo but thats no biggie
[02:28] <imbrandon> what ssh stuff?
[02:29] <Hobbsee> if you had anything in .ssh/ that you wanted to keep
[02:29] <imbrandon> thats just a matter of installing openssh-server and making you an account ;)
[02:29] <imbrandon> no real "custom" stuff there
[02:30] <imbrandon> ahh just a key for LP and imbrandon.com but i can regen those, thats easy
[02:30] <imbrandon> i do that on new reloads anyhow
[02:32] <imbrandon> sides i have a backup of /home/brandon thats only a few days old
[02:33] <imbrandon> ;)
[02:33] <marseillai_> on my both computer keep can't backup my ~ because of ~/.kde some files gives error and keep can't backup! and the maintainer (JRe) has disappear ...
[02:35] <exobuzz> some files gives error?
[02:35] <exobuzz> what error ?
[02:50] <Tonio__> hi
[02:50] <Tonio__> kwwii: it looks like changing baseresolution causes a few issues
[02:51] <Tonio__> kwwii: icons are scaled and Dialog.png doesn't appear....
[02:51] <Tonio__> I don't really understand how moodin works...
[03:03] <Hobbsee> !bug
[03:03] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu, please report it at http://bugs.ubuntu.com
[03:04] <mornfall> buggle! buggle!
[03:04] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:04] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:05] <mornfall> sup :)
[03:05] <bddebian> Hi mornfall
[03:05] <mornfall> life's a vacuum cleaner and we are the dust in the carpet
[03:06] <mornfall> (but i'm almost taking it positively now)
[03:06] <bddebian> Heh
[03:07] <mornfall> where's the wikiqueen, quick!
[03:10] <Tonio_> hey bddebian, mornfall
[03:10] <bddebian> Hello Tonio_
[03:10] <mornfall> hey Tonio_ 
[03:11] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I was thinking about powermanager
[03:11] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: shouldn't we add a sound on the low battery alert ?
[03:11] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: yep?
[03:11] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: hmmm...yes, that would be wise
[03:11] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: the alert is a bit too little, easy to miss it
[03:12] <Tonio_> or maybe change it to a window that you have to click "yes" to continue
[03:12] <Tonio_> I mean, this has to be strong alert in my view
[03:12] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: i get low battery alerts when i'm still 15 min away from battery dead - supposedly.  it's actually more like 20.  i'd suggest a system beep would be useful though
[03:13] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: a first at 20 minutes and a second one at 5 minutes
[03:13] <Hobbsee> yeah
[03:13] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: the second one ask if you want to hybernate, or adds a sound.......
[03:13] <Tonio_> and is in a way stronger
[03:13] <Hobbsee> ahh...yep
[03:14] <Tonio_> that shouldn't be hard to do
[03:14] <Tonio_> this is what windows does and I think it is the good approach
[03:14] <Hobbsee> yep
[03:14] <seb__> Hello
[03:14] <Tonio_> hi seb__
[03:15] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: will talk about that with lure and sebas
[03:15] <seb__> Does somebody already tryed to package a KDE application?
[03:15] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: smart.
[03:15] <Hobbsee> ....
[03:16] <Tonio_> seb__: well you are on kubuntu-devel, so yes, of course :)
[03:16] <sebas> I'd rather not make the warning configurable, maybe we should just do it 3 or 5 minutes before the critical action is configured.
[03:16] <sebas> Making it configurable would clutter the UI too much.
[03:16] <Tonio_> sebas: yes that's my feeling
[03:17] <Tonio_> sebas: a second alert, but lowder one, with sound maybe no ?
[03:17] <sebas> Tonio_: I'll change it shortlyu.
[03:17] <sebas> No, we cannot just make the machine make sound
[03:17] <sebas> I'd hate it in most situations.
[03:17] <seb__> Good. I'm at the "fakeroot debian/rules binary" stage of the .deb package creation. But in a Makefile.am, there is a $(kde_datadir), so it try to install some files in / instead of the debian/myapp folder.
[03:17] <Tonio_> sebas: hum, yes, me too, but on critical alert...
[03:17] <sebas> Critical is no alert :>
[03:17] <sebas> It's an actio n
[03:18] <sebas> OK, I'm off again.
[03:18] <Tonio_> sebas: okay, so how about a second alert dialog but that you have to click to continue ?
[03:18] <sebas> One should be really enough.
[03:18] <Tonio_> sebas: like "warning ! you are very low on bettery. D you want to continue ?"
[03:18] <Tonio_> sebas: hum...
[03:19] <Tonio_> seb__: I don't understand the point
[03:19] <Tonio_> seb__: why installing datas in / and not creating a deb file ?
[03:19] <Tonio_> seb__: debuild is easier than playing manually with fakeroot
[03:20] <ryanakca> edgy-alternate-amd64.iso would work for a ppc, right?
[03:20] <sebas> We could maybe add a button "Ignore warning" to the tooltip.
[03:20] <sebas> So I'm really off now :-)
[03:20] <sebas> later!
[03:20] <Tonio_> ryanakca: no :)
[03:20] <Tonio_> sebas: okay :)
[03:20] <Tonio_> seya
[03:21] <seb__> Where can I modify $(kde_datadir) to something like $(CURDIR)/debian/basket ?
[03:21] <seb__> I already modified the debian/rules file to use "PREFIX" instead of "DESTDIR" : $(MAKE) install PREFIX=$(CURDIR)/debian/basket
[03:21] <seb__> So I think it should work...
[03:21] <Tonio_> seb__: you shouldn't do that
[03:21] <Tonio_> files are installed to debian/yourapp before the package creation
[03:21] <Tonio_> that's "normal"
[03:22] <Tonio_> debian/yourapp is a tmp equivalent to / before the package is build
[03:22] <Tonio_> seb__: I must say I don't understanf the point...
[03:23] <seb__> Tonio_: Yes I know. I haven't explained well. I do a "fakeroot debian/rules binary" and it tells me "
[03:23] <seb__> test -z "/usr/share/apps/basket/backgrounds" || mkdir -p -- "/usr/share/apps/basket/backgrounds"
[03:23] <seb__> mkdir: ne peut crer le rpertoire `/usr/share/apps/basket': Permission non accorde
[03:23] <Tonio_> seb__: looks like your compating the things a lot !
[03:23] <Tonio_> seb__: ah t'es francais :)
[03:23] <Tonio_> bon autant se le faire en fr et en private
[03:23] <Tonio_> ce sera plus simple
[03:23] <seb__> Tonio_: cool
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[03:25] <Tonio_> okay
[03:25] <Tonio_> well let's go to #gouziprout
[03:25] <Tonio_> hehe
[03:27] <bddebian> Heya jsgotangco
[03:27] <kwwii> Tonio_: dude, the ksplash dialog is b0rked
[03:28] <jsgotangco> hiya
[03:29] <kwwii> Tonio_: the "window" or whatever you want to call it (Dialog.png) is not shown so the icons are on the wallpaper directly
[03:29] <kwwii> Tonio_: I guess the base resolution has a lot more to do with things than we guessed :p
[03:35] <Tonio_> kwwii: that's due to base_resolution change...
[03:35] <Tonio_> it looks like Riddell's patch is for a specific resol
[03:35] <Tonio_> kwwii: I'm gonna test and probably change back to 1280x1024 as it was before
[03:37] <Tonio_> kwwii: icons are not supposed to be scaled but I assume they are scaled but to fit 1280 resol
[03:37] <Tonio_> kwwii: that's "illusion" of non scaling in fact
[05:34] <Tonio_> kwwii: ping for when you're back :)
[05:36] <kwwii> Tonio_: hi
[05:37] <kwwii> Tonio_: so setting the bg to 1280x1024 and including that sizes picture and just accepting that it will be scaled up for most people is our best choice?
[05:43] <Tonio_> kwwii: before any feedback from riddell yes, I think so
[05:43] <kwwii> ok, then let's do that
[05:43] <Tonio_> kwwii: but I prefer to wait for another upload to change this
[05:43] <kwwii> yeah
[05:44] <kwwii> for now, it works and is a known bug
[05:44] <Tonio_> kwwii: I don't want 4 kds uploads just for that setting hehe :)
[05:44] <kwwii> but we need to fix it the next time we update the package
[05:44] <Tonio_> that's not faire in the changelog :)
[05:44] <kwwii> hehe
[05:44] <kwwii> well, it is too much work anyway
[05:44] <kwwii> when we do that I have one small change to the color scheme...the inactive window border color needs to tweak
[05:44] <Tonio_> yes, so when you need for another upload, please let me know and I'll add the stuff plus the theme.rc settings back
[05:45] <Tonio_> kwwii: yes for example :)
[05:45] <kwwii> we can wait until we have more stuff done
[05:45] <kwwii> I can also include the metabar theme
[05:45] <kwwii> etc.
[05:45] <Tonio_> kwwii: hehe yes, we are already version 39 :)
[05:45] <kwwii> ;-)
[05:45] <Tonio_> don't wanna come to version 80 :)
[05:45] <kwwii> perhaps on tuesday or so
[05:45] <kwwii> how much more time do we have until we cannot change anything?
[05:46] <gnomefreak> the 28th?
[05:46] <kwwii> wow, so late
[05:46] <kwwii> cool
[05:47] <gnomefreak> thats the uni freeze so im thinking its the last day to add anything
[05:47] <Tonio_> kwwii: kds can be changed at anytime since it is native package
[05:47] <kwwii> perhaps we should do a slight tweak to the about pages (just adjusting the blue)
[05:47] <gnomefreak> ah
[05:47] <Tonio_> kwwii: except main freeze, which is just at the end
[05:47] <kwwii> Tonio_: yeah, but eventually we need to test one final set of stuff and see if there are problems
[05:47] <Tonio_> feature freeze doesn't impact native kubuntu devs like guidance or kds
[05:48] <Tonio_> kwwii: of course we are not going to change important stuff 3 days before release ;)
[05:48] <kwwii> :p
[05:48] <Tonio_> kwwii: note that this has been done in the past :)
[05:49] <Tonio_> inclusion of kde 3.4.3 3 days before breezy was out
[05:49] <Tonio_> a NIGHTARE
[05:49] <Tonio_> all the the working stuff like kdeprint was crashing etc......
[05:49] <Tonio_> systemsettings was not working, so impossible to manage the system for Joe etc......
[06:56] <kwwii> hehe
[06:56] <kwwii> sorry, I was making dinner
[06:59] <Tonio_> hum this seb__ guy is basKet upstream :)
[06:59] <Tonio_> hehe, interesting to have him here, interested in kubuntu
[07:03] <kwwii> ;-)
[09:37] <danimo> hi
[09:38] <danimo> imbrandon: ping?
[09:38] <GNUrante> hi
[10:05] <Tm_T> mooh
[10:06] <Tm_T> I love Eqonomize! <3<3
[10:06] <danimo> Riddell: ping?
[10:32] <GNUr> edgy universe repository works?
[10:35] <rouzic> imbrandon: Knot2/Knot3 is not compattible and the wifi in the macbook :(
[10:44] <crimsun> while knot 3's kernel is newer than knot 2's, we have a new kernel being spun
[11:06] <Riddell> erk, must be a better way to do it than that
[11:06] <Riddell> danimo: hi
[11:46] <kwwii> erm, which package are the new window buttons in?
[11:53] <kwwii> Riddell: which package has the kubuntu window buttons? the old ones are still in kwin-style-crystal it seems
[12:05] <nixternal> i did a couple of those libgamin fixes yesterday and put them on revu..anyone revu and upload if possible, thanks ;)