| gardengnome | ok, i have found the "ubuntu-cdimage" project in launchpad but i can't download the sources there. vanilla debian-cd looks like it won't support ubuntu without giving me headaches. does anyone know where i could get the ubuntu specific tool? | 12:08 |
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| gardengnome | oh, i found it. nvm :) | 12:16 |
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| jdong|GRR | uhh, knot3 amd64 ubiquity doesn't work | 01:08 |
| jdong|GRR | poke screensaver throws a python exception | 01:08 |
| jdong|GRR | is that a known issue? | 01:08 |
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| jdub | uh, ouch | 01:28 |
| jdub | mdadm expects to be able to stop raid arrays during upgrade | 01:28 |
| jdub | fabbione: ping (unlikely -> mdadm expects to be able to stop raid arrays during upgrade) | 01:28 |
| === jdub clags upgrade spew into bug | ||
| jdong | jdub: you might need to try /summoning/ fabbione..... | 01:29 |
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| Fujitsu | jdub, that's know, I saw a comment about that last night. | 01:33 |
| Fujitsu | *known | 01:34 |
| jdub | #60623 | 01:34 |
| Fujitsu | Yes, that one. | 01:34 |
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| _ion | amaranth: I think a moderator found some false positives from a spam folder, and passed them to the list. | 01:49 |
| Amaranth | so far they look like duplicates | 01:50 |
| Amaranth | although perhaps people sent their message again when it didn't show up the first time | 01:50 |
| Fujitsu | Amaranth, Burgandavia cleaned out the spam filter yesterday. | 01:51 |
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| bddebian | Heya folks | 02:03 |
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| BenC | is there something special I've got to do to upload to dapper-proposed-updates? | 04:03 |
| zul_ | isnt there something in the wiki? | 04:04 |
| jdong | BenC: hehe, paranoia setting in? | 04:15 |
| BenC | jdong: I've uploaded it twice and gotten no reply from the archive about it | 04:16 |
| BenC | zul_: I checked, didn't see anything | 04:16 |
| jdong | hmm :-/ | 04:16 |
| zul_ | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates | 04:18 |
| BenC | zul_: that's for dapper proper | 04:18 |
| BenC | I don't see anything in there about proposed-updates | 04:19 |
| jdong | BenC: under 2. Prepare | 04:19 |
| jdong | "The upload target must be release-proposed" | 04:19 |
| BenC | ah | 04:19 |
| BenC | jdong, zul: thanks | 04:22 |
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| jdub | $ sudo dmidecode | grep Speed Max Speed: 1800 MHz Current Speed: 1200 MHz | 04:46 |
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| jdub | boh | 04:46 |
| jdub | $ sudo dmidecode | grep Speed | 04:46 |
| jdub | Max Speed: 1800 MHz | 04:46 |
| jdub | Current Speed: 1200 MHz | 04:46 |
| jdub | $ cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_frequencies | 04:46 |
| jdub | 1200000 800000 | 04:46 |
| jdub | 04:46 | |
| === jdub ponders... bios is dumb? | ||
| jdub | must be | 04:47 |
| jdong | weird :) | 04:47 |
| jdub | maybe the bios *wants* me to overclock it! | 04:48 |
| Amaranth | jdub: Do it. ;) | 04:49 |
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| Burgundavia | jdub: given my bios doesn't even know what my cpu is and I have seen some very odd bios breakage out there, I would not be surprised | 04:49 |
| AlinuxOS | Burgundavia, hello, I would like to ask you if you are ubuntu mailing lists manager ? I would like to set-up one for Georgian translators. | 04:51 |
| Burgundavia | AlinuxOS: no, i am not | 04:51 |
| Burgundavia | I merely have the (mis)fortune to moderate a few | 04:51 |
| AlinuxOS | Burgundavia, thanks. | 04:51 |
| sladen | jdub: the dmi tables are probably static and contain whatever the PFY typoed on the day of release. | 04:53 |
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| Lathiat | err upgrading mdadm tries to stop the raid arrays.. thats not going to work on most systems | 05:06 |
| jdub | Lathiat: lp#60623 | 05:06 |
| Lathiat | heh | 05:06 |
| Lathiat | righto | 05:06 |
| Lathiat | sheesh does kubuntu edgy boot quick, i assume from the upstart stuff | 05:07 |
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| jdong | Lathiat: profiling a bootup will get you another few seconds back... edgy's readahead-list is way off | 05:12 |
| Lathiat | how do you do that? | 05:13 |
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| ajmitch | Lathiat: apparantly by adding profile to the kernel commandline in grub | 05:16 |
| Lathiat | hrm ok i'll give that a shot | 05:17 |
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| Lathiat | yeh that made a big diff | 05:23 |
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| AlinuxOS | jdub, ping | 06:09 |
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| glick | hello | 06:20 |
| glick | excuse me im reading the ubuntu packaging guide | 06:20 |
| glick | and i have a question about this pbuilder application | 06:20 |
| Burgundavia | glick: that is a question for #ubuntu-motu | 06:20 |
| glick | ok | 06:20 |
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| adamant1988 | hello all.. | 08:13 |
| adamant1988 | uhm.. I guess if you're the developers I need to talk to.. the naim package is BAD | 08:14 |
| adamant1988 | I went to install it and it decided that I need to remove 93 packages in order to install =\ | 08:14 |
| Fujitsu | Works for me, adamant1988. | 08:14 |
| Fujitsu | What are some of the packages it wants to remove? | 08:15 |
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| crimsun | (this is better addressed, as maintenance question, in -motu) | 08:15 |
| imbrandon | thats most of the time the result of a shady sources.list file | 08:15 |
| adamant1988 | Fujitsu: a lot of KDE packages.. I have the whole list | 08:16 |
| adamant1988 | I'll paste bin it | 08:16 |
| Fujitsu | OK, please move to -motu. | 08:16 |
| imbrandon | e.g. #ubuntu-motu | 08:17 |
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| fabbione | jdub: yes i know. there is a bug filed already. | 08:31 |
| fabbione | jdub: it's monday stuff tho.. | 08:31 |
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| desrt | Burgundavia; poke | 08:32 |
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| Burgundavia | desrt: poke back | 08:33 |
| desrt | Burgundavia; your knot3 page says "has not been released yet" | 08:37 |
| desrt | (it has) | 08:37 |
| Burgundavia | it shouldn't, I thought I removed that | 08:39 |
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| Fujitsu | Burgundavia, it's still there... And Knot 3 isn't listed on /testing. | 08:40 |
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| Burgundavia | I will fix | 08:41 |
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| thansen|laptop_ | gaim-devs: ping :) | 08:42 |
| Burgundavia | thansen|laptop_: are you looking for the people who upload gaim? | 08:43 |
| thansen|laptop_ | whoever packages it | 08:43 |
| Burgundavia | thansen|laptop_: that would be seb128 | 08:43 |
| thansen|laptop_ | Burgundavia: do you know if the beta3 is what for sure will be used in edgy? | 08:44 |
| Burgundavia | thansen|laptop_: are you an upstream gaim dev? | 08:44 |
| thansen|laptop_ | no, but I have a patch for the groupwise protocol...which currently doesn't work | 08:45 |
| Burgundavia | thansen|laptop_: file a bug, mention you have a patch | 08:46 |
| thansen|laptop_ | I talked to the novell guy who maintains it and he said he would upstream it sometime in the next couple weeks, but I want to make sure it gets into edgy | 08:46 |
| thansen|laptop_ | where are bugs filed for ubuntu? sorry, kinda new to the ubuntu community | 08:47 |
| Burgundavia | edgy is not due for a while, and given we have a beta, I would expect us to get the final | 08:47 |
| Burgundavia | wiki.ubuntu.com/ReportingBugs | 08:48 |
| thansen|laptop_ | it's been beta now for a year :) | 08:48 |
| thansen|laptop_ | maybe it's inclusion in edgy will prod them along a bit though ;) | 08:49 |
| Burgundavia | thansen|laptop_: I wish it would | 08:51 |
| Burgundavia | given it has been in beta for more than 6 months | 08:51 |
| === Burgundavia waiting for telepathy to take the need for gaim away | ||
| thansen|laptop_ | link? | 08:51 |
| Burgundavia | http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/ | 08:52 |
| thansen|laptop_ | malone is telling me to use the official gaim bug tracker | 08:54 |
| Burgundavia | right, you need gaim the ubuntu package, not the upstream product | 08:57 |
| Burgundavia | welcome to LP :( | 08:57 |
| thansen|laptop_ | where can I find that? | 08:58 |
| Burgundavia | under the ubuntu product, search for gaikm | 08:59 |
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| fabbione | Hobbsee: hey.. yes i "own" ubuntulog somehow | 09:02 |
| Hobbsee | hey fabbione | 09:02 |
| Hobbsee | fabbione: right, can we get ubuntulog into #ubuntu+1 too please, and log that? | 09:03 |
| fabbione | Hobbsee: can you please file a bug in LP and make sure you assign it to me? | 09:03 |
| Hobbsee | fabbione: under what? ubuntulog or something? | 09:03 |
| fabbione | it's kind of sunday :) | 09:03 |
| fabbione | ubuntu | 09:03 |
| fabbione | general | 09:03 |
| Hobbsee | right | 09:04 |
| Hobbsee | fabbione: yes, and? :P | 09:04 |
| fabbione | and i am spending time with my wife and my kid :) no hacking today | 09:05 |
| Hobbsee | fabbione: yeah, fair enough :) | 09:05 |
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| Lathiat | Hrm, can you no longer mark a bug as having two tasks one for breezy and one for dapper? | 09:06 |
| Hobbsee | Lathiat: i thought you could. say the bug affects another distro, and do it that way | 09:07 |
| Lathiat | yeh but then it says 'already reported' | 09:07 |
| Hobbsee | oh darn | 09:07 |
| Hobbsee | i thought you could | 09:07 |
| Hobbsee | that's how i used to do it | 09:07 |
| Hobbsee | Lathiat: or the request a backport button? | 09:07 |
| Hobbsee | make sure that doestn subscribe the backporters team by accident though | 09:08 |
| Lathiat | hrm | 09:09 |
| Lathiat | that looks like it would do what we want but | 09:09 |
| Lathiat | it does seem to be specifically for 'backports' | 09:09 |
| StevenK | Lathiat: There's a "Also affects: distrobution" link | 09:10 |
| StevenK | Lathiat: The last part of the URL is +distrotask | 09:11 |
| Lathiat | yeh that doesnt work | 09:11 |
| Lathiat | you say Ubuntu, lynx | 09:11 |
| Lathiat | and it says its already reported | 09:11 |
| Hobbsee | StevenK: that's what i said | 09:11 |
| Lathiat | doesnt seem to include a version component | 09:11 |
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| Lathiat | ok the backport fix thign seems to do the right thing | 09:14 |
| Lathiat | just slightly confusing terminology | 09:14 |
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| o_cee | is it just my firefox that's broken in edgy at the moment? | 10:11 |
| glick | hey is the debian maintainers guide still applicable to ubuntu? | 10:12 |
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| Burgundavia | glick: yes, mostly | 10:14 |
| jdub | fabbione: :-) | 10:17 |
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| zyga | hello | 10:20 |
| Kamion | o_cee: the language packs are outdated; 'LANG=en_US.UTF-8 firefox' should be a workaround | 10:22 |
| Kamion | it's rather crashy though | 10:22 |
| o_cee | Kamion: ah okay, thanks! | 10:22 |
| Kamion | haven't tried with a clean profile yet to see if that works better | 10:22 |
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| zyga | pitti: hi | 10:37 |
| pitti | hi zyga | 10:37 |
| zyga | pitti: there is a problem with langpack that includes polish firefox addon | 10:37 |
| zyga | pitti: if you can confirm that LANG=pl_PL.UTF-8 firefox breaks things :) | 10:38 |
| zyga | (some parse error in chrome.xul) | 10:38 |
| pitti | zyga: bug 60631 | 10:38 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 60631 in mozilla-firefox-locale-all "[edgy] Crash opening firefox" [Critical,In progress] http://launchpad.net/bugs/60631 | 10:38 |
| zyga | oh :) | 10:38 |
| pitti | zyga: fallout from a Friday afternoon firefox upload :/ | 10:38 |
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| pitti | zyga: I don't have much time right now, I'll fix this tomorrow morning | 10:39 |
| zyga | right, have a nice weekend :) | 10:39 |
| mjg59 | Why has ubuntu-devel just thrown 60 old mails at me? | 10:55 |
| Fujitsu | mjg59, Burgundavia cleaned the spam filter yesterday. | 10:56 |
| Burgundavia | mjg59: shouldn't have been 60, but i passed a bunch through, some because of mailmans shite interface | 10:57 |
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| jdub | Burgundavia: apt-get install listadmin | 11:02 |
| Burgundavia | jdub: listadmin? | 11:02 |
| jdub | apt-cache show listadmin | 11:02 |
| Burgundavia | oh, love | 11:02 |
| Burgundavia | thanks | 11:02 |
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| === _ion just realized the edgy kernel isn't using libata-pata anymore. | ||
| mjg59 | It was never supposed to be | 11:10 |
| _ion | So there were problems? | 11:10 |
| mjg59 | There are still certain limitations | 11:11 |
| _ion | Ok. | 11:11 |
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| Kamion | wow, listadmin is fantastic | 11:29 |
| jdub | yeah | 11:29 |
| jdub | the only thing it doesn't do is "add to okay posters list" | 11:29 |
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| pitti | jdub: thanks for that hint, this will help a lot :) | 11:32 |
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| GyrosGeier | hi | 02:56 |
| Hobbsee | heya | 02:57 |
| GyrosGeier | is there anything the installer does to integrate bootsplash support that doesn't get done when installing the -desktop package by hand? | 02:57 |
| GyrosGeier | because I installed Xubuntu, and now I get an Ubuntu bootsplash for startup and a Xubuntu bootsplash for shutdown | 02:57 |
| StevenK | GyrosGeier: The boot splash is run from the initramfs, and the shutdown is from userspace | 02:58 |
| Tonio_ | hi everyone | 02:58 |
| StevenK | GyrosGeier: Regenerate your initramfs and see if that fixes it? | 02:59 |
| Tonio_ | GyrosGeier: also check your alternatives settings | 02:59 |
| GyrosGeier | excellent | 02:59 |
| GyrosGeier | also, the bootsplash goes away after unpacking the restricted drivers | 03:00 |
| GyrosGeier | and the system falls back to text mode | 03:00 |
| GyrosGeier | is this maybe related to having 64MiB of RAM only? | 03:01 |
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| GyrosGeier | and third, is there any bug reporting tool? reportbug finds out "this is not Debian, so I need to send to ubuntu-devel", but fails as I don | 03:03 |
| GyrosGeier | and third, is there any bug reporting tool? reportbug finds out "this is not Debian, so I need to send to ubuntu-devel", but fails as I don't have an MTA on this network | 03:03 |
| Hobbsee | !bug | 03:03 |
| Hobbsee | GyrosGeier: [23:03] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu, please report it at http://bugs.ubuntu.com | 03:03 |
| bddebian | Howdy folks | 03:04 |
| Hobbsee | hey bddebian | 03:04 |
| bddebian | Hi Hobbsee | 03:04 |
| GyrosGeier | so nothing "assisted" that asks you whether you want to include debconf settings? | 03:04 |
| Mithrandir | GyrosGeier: not yet, no. We're still waiting for the XMLRPC interface for malone. | 03:05 |
| Mithrandir | once we have that, reportbug or similar will be updated to just file bugs using that. | 03:05 |
| GyrosGeier | ah | 03:06 |
| fabbione | hey GyrosGeier ! | 03:06 |
| GyrosGeier | because I have an X server autodetection glitch | 03:06 |
| GyrosGeier | so I have a lot of debconf info | 03:06 |
| GyrosGeier | hi fabbione | 03:06 |
| fabbione | GyrosGeier: best thing is to open a bug above and add all the info you have. | 03:07 |
| GyrosGeier | okay | 03:07 |
| fabbione | GyrosGeier: there should also be something on the wiki | 03:07 |
| fabbione | hol don | 03:07 |
| GyrosGeier | I will probably be LARTed for installing onto a P166MMX anyway, but... | 03:07 |
| fabbione | ahha nah | 03:07 |
| fabbione | GyrosGeier: i still have your ex a1200 running here :) | 03:08 |
| GyrosGeier | cool | 03:08 |
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| GyrosGeier | so given this is #ubuntu-devel, will there be an Ubuntu release for m68k? :-) | 03:08 |
| StevenK | Bwahaha | 03:08 |
| fabbione | GyrosGeier: ehhehe | 03:08 |
| _ion | Amiga, yay. | 03:08 |
| fabbione | GyrosGeier: i am kind of thinking about it.. but i don't think i have enough time for it | 03:08 |
| GyrosGeier | StevenK, well, if you've read my blog entry, you know my opinion | 03:08 |
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| GyrosGeier | StevenK, Ubuntu is cool for the desktop and maybe servers (never tried it there), but its focus is too narrow for it to be interesting to me | 03:09 |
| fabbione | no.. the page on the wiki is gone | 03:09 |
| fabbione | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingXAutoconfiguration | 03:10 |
| fabbione | there | 03:10 |
| GyrosGeier | I happily hand out CDs to users, but my embedded devices run Debian. | 03:10 |
| GyrosGeier | fabbione, thanks | 03:10 |
| fabbione | GyrosGeier: i don't know how update it is | 03:10 |
| fabbione | but it should help | 03:10 |
| fabbione | at least to add all the info required | 03:10 |
| GyrosGeier | well, the box in question has all the hardware evil you can find | 03:10 |
| GyrosGeier | nVidia Riva128 OEM card with obscure Manufacturer ID | 03:11 |
| GyrosGeier | plus a Voodoo1 | 03:11 |
| fabbione | GyrosGeier: i sort of expected that from you :) | 03:11 |
| === fabbione still can't take away the paintaing from the a1200 :P | ||
| GyrosGeier | the X server autoconfig creates a config file that tells it to use the "apm" driver on the voodoo | 03:11 |
| fabbione | that's a discover-data bug | 03:12 |
| fabbione | is that the only glitch? | 03:12 |
| GyrosGeier | fabbione, I thought you did away with the casing and glued to mainboard to the outside of some server box? | 03:12 |
| GyrosGeier | fabbione, mostly | 03:12 |
| fabbione | GyrosGeier: no, i glued the entire a1200 to a mini-desktop. | 03:13 |
| GyrosGeier | fabbione, the screen is corrupted after DPMS | 03:13 |
| fabbione | GyrosGeier: in that case just open a bug on discover-data with the pci id, description of the board and what X driver it should be used | 03:13 |
| fabbione | GyrosGeier: that's enough to fix it | 03:13 |
| GyrosGeier | fabbione, okay, can do that | 03:14 |
| fabbione | yup thanks | 03:14 |
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| GyrosGeier | fabbione, although there is also a driver for rendering to two triangles that fill the entire screen on Voodoo1 | 03:14 |
| GyrosGeier | so technically, you could use both cards. :-) | 03:15 |
| fabbione | hmmm | 03:15 |
| fabbione | yeah but we don't support dual-head or dual-gfx configs out of the box yet | 03:15 |
| fabbione | it's difficult to detect which one is primary | 03:15 |
| GyrosGeier | fabbione, yep, that may be the problem | 03:15 |
| fabbione | yes that might be one of the 2 | 03:15 |
| GyrosGeier | fabbione, only the Riva claims to be a graphics card | 03:15 |
| fabbione | the driver should have been the right one, no matter | 03:15 |
| fabbione | it basically depends on the order in which discover finds them on the bus | 03:16 |
| fabbione | the first one wins | 03:16 |
| GyrosGeier | fabbione, the Voodoo just says "custom" in its PCI data | 03:16 |
| fabbione | just add that's a Voodoo1 based card and a manufacturer if you have it | 03:16 |
| GyrosGeier | fabbione, well, the IDs are 0:9:0 for the Riva, and 0:b:0 for the Voodoo, and the Voodoo's ID ends up in the config file | 03:16 |
| fabbione | that's plenty of info for a text description that nobody really will ever read | 03:17 |
| fabbione | yeah probably | 03:17 |
| fabbione | anyway.. movie time :) | 03:17 |
| GyrosGeier | \o/ movie | 03:18 |
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| GyrosGeier | hmm | 03:33 |
| GyrosGeier | is it a good idea to dist-upgrade from a Debian system, or should I install from scratch? | 03:34 |
| pygi | GyrosGeier, uhm, ubuntu? scratch :) | 03:34 |
| GyrosGeier | because the CD-ROM drive in this box is dog slow and occasionally fails | 03:35 |
| GyrosGeier | so network installation wins | 03:35 |
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| tseng | jdub: do you know why 915resolution isnt on the livecd? | 04:11 |
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| tseng | Mithrandir: did the soversion on libobrender go *down*? | 04:22 |
| tseng | Mithrandir: obconf complains about not finding .so.1, openbox now ships .so.0.4.0 | 04:23 |
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| Mithrandir | tseng: yeah, it did, for some reason.. | 05:18 |
| tseng | Mithrandir: weird | 05:18 |
| Mithrandir | I need to poke upstream about it | 05:22 |
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| bluefoxicy | what the hell, lilo died? | 05:34 |
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| _ion | Yes. | 05:37 |
| bluefoxicy | vo.ov sad. | 05:37 |
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| sivang | bluefoxicy: just notiuced. sad as hell | 05:43 |
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| pygi | wohooo, two more tickets :))) | 09:57 |
| HiddenWolf | pygi: tickets to woodstock, or bugs? :P | 10:01 |
| pygi | HiddenWolf, bugs ^_^ And then I can release the libburn ^_^ | 10:02 |
| HiddenWolf | ah. :) | 10:02 |
| pygi | HiddenWolf, just you ah :P | 10:02 |
| HiddenWolf | pygi: ah is the undervalued little brother to awe. :) | 10:03 |
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| pygi | HiddenWolf, heh :) | 10:04 |
| pygi | HiddenWolf, you shall not make fun out of libburn ^_^ | 10:05 |
| HiddenWolf | pygi: will it bite me in the ass otherwise? ;) | 10:05 |
| pygi | HiddenWolf, just you laugh, you'll see... | 10:06 |
| HiddenWolf | pygi I'll see, and I'll cheer. :) | 10:07 |
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| davmor2 | Hi I am using an up-to-date version of amd 64 bit edgy. from both the live cd (knot 3) and my installed version I get a soft lockup on shut down which freezes the computer and prevents it shutting down. | 11:51 |
| crimsun | any alt+sysrq+foo output? | 11:52 |
| crimsun | you want to discuss this in -kernel, probably | 11:52 |
| davmor2 | crimsun: thanks will do. | 11:53 |
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