[12:08] <gardengnome> ok, i have found the "ubuntu-cdimage" project in launchpad but i can't download the sources there. vanilla debian-cd looks like it won't support ubuntu without giving me headaches. does anyone know where i could get the ubuntu specific tool?
[12:16] <gardengnome> oh, i found it. nvm :)
[01:08] <jdong|GRR> uhh, knot3 amd64 ubiquity doesn't work
[01:08] <jdong|GRR> poke screensaver throws a python exception
[01:08] <jdong|GRR> is that a known issue?
[01:28] <jdub> uh, ouch
[01:28] <jdub> mdadm expects to be able to stop raid arrays during upgrade
[01:28] <jdub> fabbione: ping (unlikely -> mdadm expects to be able to stop raid arrays during upgrade)
[01:29] <jdong> jdub: you might need to try /summoning/ fabbione.....
[01:33] <Fujitsu> jdub, that's know, I saw a comment about that last night.
[01:34] <Fujitsu> *known
[01:34] <jdub> #60623
[01:34] <Fujitsu> Yes, that one.
[01:49] <_ion> amaranth: I think a moderator found some false positives from a spam folder, and passed them to the list.
[01:50] <Amaranth> so far they look like duplicates
[01:50] <Amaranth> although perhaps people sent their message again when it didn't show up the first time
[01:51] <Fujitsu> Amaranth, Burgandavia cleaned out the spam filter yesterday.
[02:03] <bddebian> Heya folks
[04:03] <BenC> is there something special I've got to do to upload to dapper-proposed-updates?
[04:04] <zul_> isnt there something in the wiki?
[04:15] <jdong> BenC: hehe, paranoia setting in?
[04:16] <BenC> jdong: I've uploaded it twice and gotten no reply from the archive about it
[04:16] <BenC> zul_: I checked, didn't see anything
[04:16] <jdong> hmm :-/
[04:18] <zul_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[04:18] <BenC> zul_: that's for dapper proper
[04:19] <BenC> I don't see anything in there about proposed-updates
[04:19] <jdong> BenC: under 2. Prepare
[04:19] <jdong> "The upload target must be release-proposed"
[04:19] <BenC> ah
[04:22] <BenC> jdong, zul: thanks
[04:46] <jdub> $ sudo dmidecode | grep Speed Max Speed: 1800 MHz Current Speed: 1200 MHz
[04:46] <jdub> boh
[04:46] <jdub> $ sudo dmidecode | grep Speed
[04:46] <jdub>         Max Speed: 1800 MHz
[04:46] <jdub>         Current Speed: 1200 MHz
[04:46] <jdub> $ cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_frequencies
[04:46] <jdub> 1200000 800000
[04:46] <jdub> 
[04:47] <jdub> must be
[04:47] <jdong> weird :)
[04:48] <jdub> maybe the bios *wants* me to overclock it!
[04:49] <Amaranth> jdub: Do it. ;)
[04:49] <Burgundavia> jdub: given my bios doesn't even know what my cpu is and I have seen some very odd bios breakage out there, I would not be surprised
[04:51] <AlinuxOS> Burgundavia, hello, I would like to ask you if you are ubuntu mailing lists manager ? I would like to set-up one for Georgian translators.
[04:51] <Burgundavia> AlinuxOS: no, i am not
[04:51] <Burgundavia> I merely have the (mis)fortune to moderate a few
[04:51] <AlinuxOS> Burgundavia, thanks.
[04:53] <sladen> jdub: the dmi tables are probably static and contain whatever the PFY typoed on the day of release.  
[05:06] <Lathiat> err upgrading mdadm tries to stop the raid arrays..  thats not going to work on most systems
[05:06] <jdub> Lathiat: lp#60623
[05:06] <Lathiat> heh
[05:06] <Lathiat> righto
[05:07] <Lathiat> sheesh does kubuntu edgy boot quick, i assume from the upstart stuff
[05:12] <jdong> Lathiat: profiling a bootup will get you another few seconds back... edgy's readahead-list is way off
[05:13] <Lathiat> how do you do that?
[05:16] <ajmitch> Lathiat: apparantly by adding profile to the kernel commandline in grub
[05:17] <Lathiat> hrm ok i'll give that a shot
[05:23] <Lathiat> yeh that made a big diff
[06:09] <AlinuxOS> jdub, ping
[06:20] <glick> hello
[06:20] <glick> excuse me im reading the ubuntu packaging guide
[06:20] <glick> and i have a question about this pbuilder application
[06:20] <Burgundavia> glick: that is a question for #ubuntu-motu
[06:20] <glick> ok
[08:13] <adamant1988> hello all..
[08:14] <adamant1988> uhm.. I guess if you're the developers I need to talk to.. the naim package is BAD
[08:14] <adamant1988> I went to install it and it decided that I need to remove 93 packages in order to install =\
[08:14] <Fujitsu> Works for me, adamant1988.
[08:15] <Fujitsu> What are some of the packages it wants to remove?
[08:15] <crimsun> (this is better addressed, as maintenance question, in -motu)
[08:15] <imbrandon> thats most of the time the result of a shady sources.list file
[08:16] <adamant1988> Fujitsu: a lot of KDE packages.. I have the whole list
[08:16] <adamant1988> I'll paste bin it
[08:16] <Fujitsu> OK, please move to -motu.
[08:17] <imbrandon> e.g. #ubuntu-motu
[08:31] <fabbione> jdub: yes i know. there is a bug filed already.
[08:31] <fabbione> jdub: it's monday stuff tho..
[08:32] <desrt> Burgundavia; poke
[08:33] <Burgundavia> desrt: poke back
[08:37] <desrt> Burgundavia; your knot3 page says "has not been released yet"
[08:37] <desrt> (it has)
[08:39] <Burgundavia> it shouldn't, I thought I removed that
[08:40] <Fujitsu> Burgundavia, it's still there... And Knot 3 isn't listed on /testing.
[08:41] <Burgundavia> I will fix
[08:42] <thansen|laptop_> gaim-devs: ping :)
[08:43] <Burgundavia> thansen|laptop_: are you looking for the people who upload gaim?
[08:43] <thansen|laptop_> whoever packages it
[08:43] <Burgundavia> thansen|laptop_: that would be seb128
[08:44] <thansen|laptop_> Burgundavia: do you know if the beta3 is what for sure will be used in edgy?
[08:44] <Burgundavia> thansen|laptop_: are you an upstream gaim dev?
[08:45] <thansen|laptop_> no, but I have a patch for the groupwise protocol...which currently doesn't work
[08:46] <Burgundavia> thansen|laptop_: file a bug, mention you have a patch
[08:46] <thansen|laptop_> I talked to the novell guy who maintains it and he said he would upstream it sometime in the next couple weeks, but I want to make sure it gets into edgy
[08:47] <thansen|laptop_> where are bugs filed for ubuntu?  sorry, kinda new to the ubuntu community
[08:47] <Burgundavia> edgy is not due for a while, and given we have a beta, I would expect us to get the final
[08:48] <Burgundavia> wiki.ubuntu.com/ReportingBugs
[08:48] <thansen|laptop_> it's been beta now for a year :)
[08:49] <thansen|laptop_> maybe it's inclusion in edgy will prod them along a bit though ;)
[08:51] <Burgundavia> thansen|laptop_: I wish it would
[08:51] <Burgundavia> given it has been in beta for more than 6 months
[08:51] <thansen|laptop_> link?
[08:52] <Burgundavia> http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/
[08:54] <thansen|laptop_> malone is telling me to use the official gaim bug tracker
[08:57] <Burgundavia> right, you need gaim the ubuntu package, not the upstream product
[08:57] <Burgundavia> welcome to LP :(
[08:58] <thansen|laptop_> where can I find that?
[08:59] <Burgundavia> under the ubuntu product, search for gaikm
[09:02] <fabbione> Hobbsee: hey.. yes i "own" ubuntulog somehow
[09:02] <Hobbsee> hey fabbione 
[09:03] <Hobbsee> fabbione: right, can we get ubuntulog into #ubuntu+1 too please, and log that?
[09:03] <fabbione> Hobbsee: can you please file a bug in LP and make sure you assign it to me?
[09:03] <Hobbsee> fabbione: under what?  ubuntulog or something?
[09:03] <fabbione> it's kind of sunday :)
[09:03] <fabbione> ubuntu
[09:03] <fabbione> general
[09:04] <Hobbsee> right
[09:04] <Hobbsee> fabbione: yes, and?   :P
[09:05] <fabbione> and i am spending time with my wife and my kid :) no hacking today
[09:05] <Hobbsee> fabbione: yeah, fair enough :)
[09:06] <Lathiat> Hrm, can you no longer mark a bug as having two tasks one for breezy and one for dapper?
[09:07] <Hobbsee> Lathiat: i thought you could.  say the bug affects another distro, and do it that way
[09:07] <Lathiat> yeh but then it says 'already reported'
[09:07] <Hobbsee> oh darn
[09:07] <Hobbsee> i thought you could
[09:07] <Hobbsee> that's how i used to do it
[09:07] <Hobbsee> Lathiat: or the request a backport button?
[09:08] <Hobbsee> make sure that doestn subscribe the backporters team by accident though
[09:09] <Lathiat> hrm
[09:09] <Lathiat> that looks like it would do what we want but
[09:09] <Lathiat> it does seem to be specifically for 'backports'
[09:10] <StevenK> Lathiat: There's a "Also affects: distrobution" link
[09:11] <StevenK> Lathiat: The last part of the URL is +distrotask
[09:11] <Lathiat> yeh that doesnt work
[09:11] <Lathiat> you say Ubuntu, lynx
[09:11] <Lathiat> and it says its already reported
[09:11] <Hobbsee> StevenK: that's what i said
[09:11] <Lathiat> doesnt seem to include a version component
[09:14] <Lathiat> ok the backport fix thign seems to do the right thing
[09:14] <Lathiat> just slightly confusing terminology
[10:11] <o_cee> is it just my firefox that's broken in edgy at the moment?
[10:12] <glick> hey is the debian maintainers guide still applicable to ubuntu?
[10:14] <Burgundavia> glick: yes, mostly
[10:17] <jdub> fabbione: :-)
[10:20] <zyga> hello
[10:22] <Kamion> o_cee: the language packs are outdated; 'LANG=en_US.UTF-8 firefox' should be a workaround
[10:22] <Kamion> it's rather crashy though
[10:22] <o_cee> Kamion: ah okay, thanks!
[10:22] <Kamion> haven't tried with a clean profile yet to see if that works better
[10:37] <zyga> pitti: hi
[10:37] <pitti> hi zyga 
[10:37] <zyga> pitti: there is a problem with langpack that includes polish firefox addon
[10:38] <zyga> pitti: if you can confirm that LANG=pl_PL.UTF-8 firefox breaks things :)
[10:38] <zyga> (some parse error in chrome.xul)
[10:38] <pitti> zyga: bug 60631
[10:38] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 60631 in mozilla-firefox-locale-all "[edgy] Crash opening firefox" [Critical,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60631
[10:38] <zyga> oh :)
[10:38] <pitti> zyga: fallout from a Friday afternoon firefox upload :/
[10:39] <pitti> zyga: I don't have much time right now, I'll fix this tomorrow morning
[10:39] <zyga> right, have a nice weekend :)
[10:55] <mjg59> Why has ubuntu-devel just thrown 60 old mails at me?
[10:56] <Fujitsu> mjg59, Burgundavia cleaned the spam filter yesterday.
[10:57] <Burgundavia> mjg59: shouldn't have been 60, but i passed a bunch through, some because of mailmans shite interface
[11:02] <jdub> Burgundavia: apt-get install listadmin
[11:02] <Burgundavia> jdub: listadmin?
[11:02] <jdub> apt-cache show listadmin
[11:02] <Burgundavia> oh, love
[11:02] <Burgundavia> thanks
[11:10] <mjg59> It was never supposed to be
[11:10] <_ion> So there were problems?
[11:11] <mjg59> There are still certain limitations
[11:11] <_ion> Ok.
[11:29] <Kamion> wow, listadmin is fantastic
[11:29] <jdub> yeah
[11:29] <jdub> the only thing it doesn't do is "add to okay posters list"
[11:32] <pitti> jdub: thanks for that hint, this will help a lot :)
[11:53] <lynxorgd> http://www.cyber-wars.com/?ref=100628
[11:53] <lynxorgd> http://www.cyber-wars.com/?ref=100628
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[11:53] <lynxorgd> http://www.cyber-wars.com/?ref=100628
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[02:56] <GyrosGeier> hi
[02:57] <Hobbsee> heya
[02:57] <GyrosGeier> is there anything the installer does to integrate bootsplash support that doesn't get done when installing the -desktop package by hand?
[02:57] <GyrosGeier> because I installed Xubuntu, and now I get an Ubuntu bootsplash for startup and a Xubuntu bootsplash for shutdown
[02:58] <StevenK> GyrosGeier: The boot splash is run from the initramfs, and the shutdown is from userspace
[02:58] <Tonio_> hi everyone
[02:59] <StevenK> GyrosGeier: Regenerate your initramfs and see if that fixes it?
[02:59] <Tonio_> GyrosGeier: also check your alternatives settings
[02:59] <GyrosGeier> excellent
[03:00] <GyrosGeier> also, the bootsplash goes away after unpacking the restricted drivers
[03:00] <GyrosGeier> and the system falls back to text mode
[03:01] <GyrosGeier> is this maybe related to having 64MiB of RAM only?
[03:03] <GyrosGeier> and third, is there any bug reporting tool? reportbug finds out "this is not Debian, so I need to send to ubuntu-devel", but fails as I don
[03:03] <GyrosGeier> and third, is there any bug reporting tool? reportbug finds out "this is not Debian, so I need to send to ubuntu-devel", but fails as I don't have an MTA on this network
[03:03] <Hobbsee> !bug
[03:03] <Hobbsee> GyrosGeier: [23:03]  <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu, please report it at http://bugs.ubuntu.com
[03:04] <bddebian> Howdy folks
[03:04] <Hobbsee> hey bddebian 
[03:04] <bddebian> Hi Hobbsee
[03:04] <GyrosGeier> so nothing "assisted" that asks you whether you want to include debconf settings?
[03:05] <Mithrandir> GyrosGeier: not yet, no.  We're still waiting for the XMLRPC interface for malone.
[03:05] <Mithrandir> once we have that, reportbug or similar will be updated to just file bugs using that.
[03:06] <GyrosGeier> ah
[03:06] <fabbione> hey GyrosGeier !
[03:06] <GyrosGeier> because I have an X server autodetection glitch
[03:06] <GyrosGeier> so I have a lot of debconf info
[03:06] <GyrosGeier> hi fabbione 
[03:07] <fabbione> GyrosGeier: best thing is to open a bug above and add all the info you have.
[03:07] <GyrosGeier> okay
[03:07] <fabbione> GyrosGeier: there should also be something on the wiki
[03:07] <fabbione> hol don
[03:07] <GyrosGeier> I will probably be LARTed for installing onto a P166MMX anyway, but...
[03:07] <fabbione> ahha nah
[03:08] <fabbione> GyrosGeier: i still have your ex a1200 running here :)
[03:08] <GyrosGeier> cool
[03:08] <GyrosGeier> so given this is #ubuntu-devel, will there be an Ubuntu release for m68k? :-)
[03:08] <StevenK> Bwahaha
[03:08] <fabbione> GyrosGeier: ehhehe
[03:08] <_ion> Amiga, yay.
[03:08] <fabbione> GyrosGeier: i am kind of thinking about it.. but i don't think i have enough time for it
[03:08] <GyrosGeier> StevenK, well, if you've read my blog entry, you know my opinion
[03:09] <GyrosGeier> StevenK, Ubuntu is cool for the desktop and maybe servers (never tried it there), but its focus is too narrow for it to be interesting to me
[03:09] <fabbione> no.. the page on the wiki is gone
[03:10] <fabbione> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingXAutoconfiguration
[03:10] <fabbione> there
[03:10] <GyrosGeier> I happily hand out CDs to users, but my embedded devices run Debian.
[03:10] <GyrosGeier> fabbione, thanks
[03:10] <fabbione> GyrosGeier: i don't know how update it is
[03:10] <fabbione> but it should help
[03:10] <fabbione> at least to add all the info required
[03:10] <GyrosGeier> well, the box in question has all the hardware evil you can find
[03:11] <GyrosGeier> nVidia Riva128 OEM card with obscure Manufacturer ID
[03:11] <GyrosGeier> plus a Voodoo1
[03:11] <fabbione> GyrosGeier: i sort of expected that from you :)
[03:11] <GyrosGeier> the X server autoconfig creates a config file that tells it to use the "apm" driver on the voodoo
[03:12] <fabbione> that's a discover-data bug
[03:12] <fabbione> is that the only glitch?
[03:12] <GyrosGeier> fabbione, I thought you did away with the casing and glued to mainboard to the outside of some server box?
[03:12] <GyrosGeier> fabbione, mostly
[03:13] <fabbione> GyrosGeier: no, i glued the entire a1200 to a mini-desktop.
[03:13] <GyrosGeier> fabbione, the screen is corrupted after DPMS
[03:13] <fabbione> GyrosGeier: in that case just open a bug on discover-data with the pci id, description of the board and what X driver it should be used
[03:13] <fabbione> GyrosGeier: that's enough to fix it
[03:14] <GyrosGeier> fabbione, okay, can do that
[03:14] <fabbione> yup thanks
[03:14] <GyrosGeier> fabbione, although there is also a driver for rendering to two triangles that fill the entire screen on Voodoo1
[03:15] <GyrosGeier> so technically, you could use both cards. :-)
[03:15] <fabbione> hmmm
[03:15] <fabbione> yeah but we don't support dual-head or dual-gfx configs out of the box yet
[03:15] <fabbione> it's difficult to detect which one is primary
[03:15] <GyrosGeier> fabbione, yep, that may be the problem
[03:15] <fabbione> yes that might be one of the 2
[03:15] <GyrosGeier> fabbione, only the Riva claims to be a graphics card
[03:15] <fabbione> the driver should have been the right one, no matter
[03:16] <fabbione> it basically depends on the order in which discover finds them on the bus
[03:16] <fabbione> the first one wins
[03:16] <GyrosGeier> fabbione, the Voodoo just says "custom" in its PCI data
[03:16] <fabbione> just add that's a Voodoo1 based card and a manufacturer if you have it
[03:16] <GyrosGeier> fabbione, well, the IDs are 0:9:0 for the Riva, and 0:b:0 for the Voodoo, and the Voodoo's ID ends up in the config file
[03:17] <fabbione> that's plenty of info for a text description that nobody really will ever read
[03:17] <fabbione> yeah probably
[03:17] <fabbione> anyway.. movie time :)
[03:18] <GyrosGeier> \o/ movie
[03:33] <GyrosGeier> hmm
[03:34] <GyrosGeier> is it a good idea to dist-upgrade from a Debian system, or should I install from scratch?
[03:34] <pygi> GyrosGeier, uhm, ubuntu? scratch :)
[03:35] <GyrosGeier> because the CD-ROM drive in this box is dog slow and occasionally fails
[03:35] <GyrosGeier> so network installation wins
[04:11] <tseng> jdub: do you know why 915resolution isnt on the livecd?
[04:22] <tseng> Mithrandir: did the soversion on libobrender go *down*?
[04:23] <tseng> Mithrandir: obconf complains about not finding .so.1, openbox now ships .so.0.4.0
[05:18] <Mithrandir> tseng: yeah, it did, for some reason..
[05:18] <tseng> Mithrandir: weird
[05:22] <Mithrandir> I need to poke upstream about it
[05:34] <bluefoxicy> what the hell, lilo died?
[05:37] <_ion> Yes.
[05:37] <bluefoxicy> vo.ov sad.
[05:43] <sivang> bluefoxicy: just notiuced. sad as hell
[09:57] <pygi> wohooo, two more tickets :)))
[10:01] <HiddenWolf> pygi: tickets to woodstock, or bugs? :P
[10:02] <pygi> HiddenWolf, bugs ^_^ And then I can release the libburn ^_^
[10:02] <HiddenWolf> ah. :)
[10:02] <pygi> HiddenWolf, just you ah :P
[10:03] <HiddenWolf> pygi: ah is the undervalued little brother to awe. :)
[10:04] <pygi> HiddenWolf, heh :)
[10:05] <pygi> HiddenWolf, you shall not make fun out of libburn ^_^
[10:05] <HiddenWolf> pygi: will it bite me in the ass otherwise? ;)
[10:06] <pygi> HiddenWolf, just you laugh, you'll see...
[10:07] <HiddenWolf> pygi I'll see, and I'll cheer. :)
[11:51] <davmor2> Hi I am using an up-to-date version of amd 64 bit edgy.  from both the live cd (knot 3) and my installed version I get a soft lockup on shut down which freezes the computer and prevents it shutting down.
[11:52] <crimsun> any alt+sysrq+foo output?
[11:52] <crimsun> you want to discuss this in -kernel, probably
[11:53] <davmor2> crimsun: thanks will do.