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| scotth | Adri2000: have you tried installing your package in a chroot and see if it works? | 12:11 |
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| KhanReape1 | Can I get a reason for why my recently-submitted packages show up in rejected (ftp://revu.tauware.de/incoming/rejected)? | 12:13 |
| crimsun | geser: do you have confirmation from kamion and/or mdz that you can proceed with #58564? | 12:13 |
| Fujitsu | Thanks crimsun :) | 12:14 |
| geser | crimsun: I mailed mdz, he forwarded it to infinity and he mailed me "yes, this fix should do the trick. I'll happily push this through the UNAPPROVED queue if it's uploaded." | 12:17 |
| crimsun | great, thanks. | 12:19 |
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| scotth | quick question, sympa is way out of date in ubuntu and debian. There is a new version in debian/experimental, but its broken. After an initial look, I think the problem may be in the very way it was packaged. Is it ok to diverge significantly from the way debian packages a package? | 12:35 |
| crimsun | perhaps not preferable but certainly acceptable in some cases | 12:36 |
| scotth | mk ty | 12:37 |
| crimsun | geser: uploaded, awaiting ACCEPT. Thanks for your work & persistence. | 12:40 |
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| TheMuso | c | 01:44 |
| TheMuso | crimsun: thanks | 01:44 |
| crimsun | TheMuso: np. Btw, the clean target still had an aclocal invocation that I made failable. | 01:44 |
| crimsun | Fujitsu: have you checked the enigma source package in Debian experimental? | 01:50 |
| Fujitsu | crimsun, no I haven't. Should I? | 01:50 |
| crimsun | Fujitsu: it's up to you. I was unaware whether you had. | 01:51 |
| crimsun | Fujitsu: I'll go ahead and process 60827 using unstable | 01:58 |
| Fujitsu | OK, thanks. | 01:58 |
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| bddebian | Heya gang | 02:03 |
| crimsun | wow, barry spam in N+1 channels. | 02:04 |
| Fujitsu | Hi bddebian. | 02:04 |
| Fujitsu | N+1? | 02:04 |
| crimsun | yeah, I lost count | 02:04 |
| Fujitsu | Oh, yes. | 02:04 |
| TheMuso | crimsun: Ok thanks. | 02:05 |
| bddebian | Hi Fujitsu | 02:05 |
| bddebian | crimsun: I "spam" every channel :-) | 02:05 |
| crimsun | :p | 02:05 |
| sladen | so /did/ .... | 02:07 |
| Fujitsu | sladen, ? | 02:08 |
| sladen | never mind | 02:08 |
| ryanakca | bddebian: ping | 02:22 |
| bddebian | ryanakca: yo | 02:22 |
| ryanakca | bddebian: could you please paste my course toonight at the midnight EST classroom? | 02:22 |
| ryanakca | bddebian: I'm sadly going to be fast asleep | 02:23 |
| bddebian | ryanakca: Paste your course? | 02:23 |
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| ryanakca | bddebian: yes, it's all typed up, you just need to paste it in #ubuntu-classroom, gradually, and at the end answer a few basic Q's on apt.. | 02:24 |
| bddebian | Uhm, I suppose | 02:26 |
| ryanakca | bddebian: http://rkavanagh.homelinux.org/~ryan/aptitudeclassroom | 02:26 |
| ryanakca | bddebian: thanks a million... now I just need to find a moderator | 02:27 |
| bddebian | A moderator? | 02:27 |
| ryanakca | yes, someone to set it to +m and take questions in /msg | 02:28 |
| bddebian | Ah | 02:28 |
| crimsun | Toadstool: (make sure you enumerate which Ubuntu changes can be dropped due to which Debian updates, please) | 02:32 |
| Toadstool | crimsun: oops! | 02:36 |
| Toadstool | thanks for pointing this out | 02:36 |
| Toadstool | (and hi by the way) | 02:36 |
| crimsun | hi :) | 02:37 |
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| Fujitsu | Morning, Burgundavia. | 02:39 |
| Burgundavia | hey Fujitsu | 02:39 |
| Fujitsu | And what a not particularly good morning it is too. | 02:40 |
| Burgundavia | oh? | 02:40 |
| Burgundavia | it is still the 16th here | 02:40 |
| Fujitsu | Silly timezone differences. | 02:41 |
| Fujitsu | We need Swatch Internet Time! :P | 02:41 |
| Toadstool | hmm, looks like my edgy chroot on my server is ready... at least I'll be able to do a few little things until I can afford buying a laptop | 02:47 |
| bddebian | Heya Burgundavia | 02:47 |
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| Burgundavia | bddebian: ping | 03:06 |
| bddebian | Yo | 03:06 |
| Burgundavia | classroom tonight. Mind if I teach my bit first? | 03:06 |
| bddebian | Egads I will never get to sleep :-) | 03:07 |
| Burgundavia | I need to work on UWN, for release a few hours later | 03:07 |
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| Fujitsu | Heya Hobbsee. | 03:14 |
| Hobbsee | hey Fujitsu | 03:14 |
| TheMuso | Heya Hobbsee. | 03:14 |
| Hobbsee | hey TheMuso :) | 03:15 |
| bddebian | Hi Hobbsee | 03:31 |
| ajmitch | hi Hobbsee | 03:31 |
| sladen | Burgundavia: surely UWN comes out tomorrow? | 03:35 |
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| hikenboot | hello all--Can anyone point me to a document on editing/creating metapackages? | 03:37 |
| tseng | a metapackage is an empty package that depends on other packages | 03:37 |
| hikenboot | I want to remove open office as a requirement in ubuntu-desktop | 03:38 |
| tseng | not sure what more documentation you want | 03:38 |
| tseng | ubuntu-desktop specifically is special | 03:38 |
| hikenboot | basically ubuntu-desktop's requirement for open office means 300 meg more space is taken on the cd..300 meg I could use for my own packages | 03:39 |
| tseng | you can remove it in the cd image... | 03:39 |
| tseng | you dont really need ubuntu-desktop left around in the context of the custom cd | 03:39 |
| hikenboot | yes but as soon as you try and install another package it causes errors | 03:40 |
| hikenboot | a better method, correct me if im wrong would be to some how tell it open-office isnt required | 03:40 |
| hikenboot | http://www.archivum.info/ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com/2005-02/msg00342.html | 03:41 |
| plugwash | ubuntu-desktop is built from the source package ubuntu-meta, presumablly you could modify that and rebuild it | 03:41 |
| plugwash | alternatively you could just make your cd not install ubuntu-desktop | 03:41 |
| hikenboot | plugwash how could i make it so it doesnt install ubuntu-desktop | 03:42 |
| plugwash | presumablly the same way you made it not install openoffice? | 03:43 |
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| Hobbsee | hey bddebian, ajmitch | 03:44 |
| hikenboot | I actually just did an apt-get remove from a chroot...but i find doing this effects future edits to the cd so perhaps my methd is wrong? | 03:44 |
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| sladen | hikenboot: 'affects' ? | 03:50 |
| hikenboot | it errors when trying to add further packages...the only way i can get close in fact is to add 100% of all the packages I want and then remove open office last | 03:53 |
| hikenboot | whyich in turn causes ubuntu-desktop to be removed | 03:53 |
| Burgundavia | sladen: tomorrow your time, today mine | 03:56 |
| Burgundavia | sladen: last few weeks have been delayed due to wiki breakage | 03:57 |
| bddebian | Damn this should be interesting, I never even use aptitude :-) | 03:58 |
| Fujitsu | Burgundavia, are you really expecting it to not break this week? | 03:58 |
| Burgundavia | Fujitsu: yes, I do | 03:58 |
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| Fujitsu | Burgundavia, that's a bit optimistic, I think. | 03:58 |
| Burgundavia | Fujitsu: moving to gobby soon anyway | 03:58 |
| Fujitsu | Speaking of which, I need to merge that. | 03:59 |
| plugwash | hikenboot just let it remove ubuntu-desktop, removing ubuntu-desktop shouldn't break anything | 03:59 |
| plugwash | i presume this is a livecd you are trying to build? | 03:59 |
| hikenboot | yes | 04:00 |
| hikenboot | a live cd which I am keeping the ability for users to install into harddrive | 04:00 |
| plugwash | so when you apt-get remove <whatever the openoffice package is called> in the chroot what exactly does apt say? | 04:04 |
| plugwash | and what exactly goes wrong if you say yes | 04:04 |
| hikenboot | sorry I have been working for the last week with uck to get around the problem and dont remember..I will try it again and come back when I have specific messsages | 04:06 |
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| tseng | imbrandon: WHOA MYTH 0.20 | 05:09 |
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| bddebian | hrmph | 05:12 |
| ajmitch | hrmph to you also | 05:12 |
| bddebian | :-) | 05:13 |
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| Burgundavia | Laser_away: ping | 05:20 |
| crimsun | TheMuso: why is the libtool archive in libexiv2-0.10 and not in libexiv2-dev? | 05:21 |
| TheMuso | crimsun: I didn't even know that was the case. | 05:24 |
| crimsun | TheMuso: neither of your debdiffs in #60856 seem to touch the .so | 05:24 |
| crimsun | (in debian/rules, that is) | 05:25 |
| TheMuso | hmm ok I'll have another look. | 05:25 |
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| Burgundavia | imbrandon: ping | 05:27 |
| nixternal | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3142 | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3148 | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3147 | 05:28 |
| nixternal | ^^ readu for revu | 05:28 |
| crimsun | TheMuso: sorry, that's in reference to #60858 | 05:29 |
| nixternal | any fixes i will hit in the morning...time to die, as the sun has wrecked me today! | 05:29 |
| nixternal | thanks | 05:29 |
| TheMuso | crimsun: Yeah I worked that out. | 05:29 |
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| hikenboot | hello all--the problem with the live cd comes up when its in the chroot and packages have unmet dependencies because of the ubuntu-desktop package...the metapackage definately has to be changed so that dependency upon office is not required | 05:50 |
| hikenboot | open office gimp evoluton gaim and ekiga take up nearly 300 mb on the cd | 05:51 |
| bddebian | Burgundavia: There? | 05:53 |
| Burgundavia | bddebian: yep | 05:53 |
| bddebian | Burgundavia: Supposed to be in #u-classroom right? | 05:54 |
| Burgundavia | yep | 05:54 |
| bddebian | Hmm, not many there :-) | 05:57 |
| Burgundavia | going to be reannouning in #ubuntu and #ubuntu+1 | 05:58 |
| bddebian | Oh joy :-) | 05:58 |
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| glick | hello | 06:21 |
| glick | excuse me ive been reading the ubuntu packaging guide (which is excellent btw), and i have a question about this pbuilder app | 06:21 |
| glick | firstly, is that the standard way to build packges for a release? and if i want to remove the pbuilder enviornment, i simply delete the directory in /var/cache? | 06:22 |
| bureado | glick: That's a way, but if you don't want to use pbuilder anymore you should also purge it from your system. | 06:22 |
| bureado | glick: I don't know about Ubuntu, but it seems to me that pbuilder isn't used as the primary build daemon for neither Debian nor Ubuntu. There are specialized buildd's for that. | 06:23 |
| glick | is pbuilder the de-facto way to build packages? | 06:23 |
| bddebian | glick: It's one of the cleanest to make sure you aren't missing deps | 06:23 |
| bureado | glick: I agree with bddebian, it's the best available way to build a package. | 06:24 |
| glick | so if i wanna build ubuntu packages i should use the pbuilder method? | 06:24 |
| bddebian | glick: It's not the only way but probably one of, if not, THE most widely used/supported | 06:25 |
| glick | ok kooo | 06:26 |
| glick | do you put your pbuilder enviornment in a chroot envriornment? | 06:30 |
| bureado | I don't, and I don't think it's necessary. You should keep your pbuilder chroot (or "basetgz") updated. | 06:31 |
| glick | bureado, but what if your runnin LTS but wanna build for edgy? | 06:32 |
| bddebian | glick: You can set up a pbuilder environment for any distro | 06:33 |
| glick | oh ok | 06:33 |
| glick | for some reason i thought you needed chroot env for that so it doesnt mess with your install | 06:33 |
| bddebian | glick: As I understand it, pbuilder actually utilizes chroot but I don't know the internals | 06:34 |
| bureado | No. It keeps .tgz files under /var/cache. When you use pbuilder, it extracts the basetgz (you can have several .tgzs for any distro and you can specify them with --basetgz or through conffiles) and chroots into it. | 06:34 |
| glick | coolness | 06:35 |
| bddebian | bureado: Aye but aren't the .tgz files extracted in a chroot or some such? | 06:35 |
| Amaranth | bddebian: Err, it would have to extract the files in order to have something to chroot into | 06:37 |
| bureado | bddebian: Under /var/cache/pbuilder/build/<number>, and then chroots in that directory. It builds the package and then moves it to /var/cache/pbuilder/result/. | 06:37 |
| bddebian | Amaranth: Well that is more what I meant yes. But hey, you know I'm kinda dumb :-) | 06:38 |
| Amaranth | hehe | 06:38 |
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| Laser_away | Burgundavia: pong :-) | 06:47 |
| Burgundavia | Laser_away: just a sec, in classroom | 06:47 |
| Burgundavia | but you are setup for pbuilder on my machine | 06:47 |
| Laser_away | ah, cool | 06:48 |
| Laser_away | Burgundavia: can you send me an emil with the details, when you have a chance? | 06:52 |
| Burgundavia | Laser_away: will do | 06:52 |
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| Burgundavia | Laser_away: send | 06:55 |
| Burgundavia | sent, rather | 06:55 |
| Burgundavia | Laser_away: can you test now? | 06:55 |
| Laser_away | yes, just a sec | 06:56 |
| Laser_away | connection refused | 06:59 |
| Burgundavia | bloody router, it does that | 06:59 |
| Burgundavia | Laser_away: try port 9000 | 07:00 |
| Laser_away | also refused | 07:00 |
| Laser_away | :-) | 07:00 |
| Burgundavia | Laser_away: try now | 07:01 |
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| Burgundavia | Laser_away: ? | 07:03 |
| Laser_away | trying | 07:05 |
| Laser_away | hmm, well 9000 was still refused, 2222 just sits there | 07:07 |
| Burgundavia | ok, try now | 07:08 |
| Laser_away | same | 07:10 |
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| Burgundavia | ok, if port 6522 work and not this? | 07:12 |
| Burgundavia | ok, try port 9000 again | 07:12 |
| Laser_away | 6522 and 9000 are connection refused | 07:15 |
| Laser_away | sure you don't have some hosts.allow/hosts.deny thing going on? | 07:16 |
| Burgundavia | 6522 will be, as I don't have gobby up | 07:16 |
| Burgundavia | ok, try 9000 now | 07:16 |
| Burgundavia | testing a theory | 07:16 |
| Laser_away | nada | 07:16 |
| Laser_away | :/ | 07:16 |
| Burgundavia | can you try username "corey" ? | 07:17 |
| Laser_away | at least you computer seems pretty secure :-) | 07:17 |
| bddebian | heh | 07:17 |
| Burgundavia | I already have 22 open, but that goes to my server | 07:17 |
| Laser_away | still refused | 07:17 |
| bddebian | Burgundavia: Hey, I thought you had UWN work to do?? ;-P | 07:17 |
| Burgundavia | bddebian: I do | 07:17 |
| Burgundavia | try port 22 | 07:18 |
| Burgundavia | username corey | 07:18 |
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| Laser_away | hmm, well it got me to login | 07:18 |
| Laser_away | but didn't like the password | 07:19 |
| Burgundavia | yes, because my password is not so easy to guess | 07:19 |
| Laser_away | well, I used my username | 07:19 |
| Burgundavia | I am truly baffled, because I can create redirects that work on any port, but it seems I cannot create a duplicate redirect for the same protocol as one I have already used | 07:20 |
| Burgundavia | I almost wonder if the firmware has a secret setting to silently drop connections | 07:20 |
| Burgundavia | oh, wait, I see the issue | 07:20 |
| Burgundavia | ok, try now | 07:21 |
| Burgundavia | I am an idito | 07:21 |
| Burgundavia | port 9000 | 07:22 |
| Laser_away | still refused | 07:23 |
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| Laser_away | Corey, if you have stuff to do don't let me take you away from it | 07:23 |
| Burgundavia | no, it is ok | 07:23 |
| Burgundavia | ok, this UI sucks | 07:23 |
| Burgundavia | ok, one last try and then I am giving up | 07:24 |
| Burgundavia | Laser_away: success? | 07:29 |
| Laser_away | sorry dude, nothing on 9000 | 07:31 |
| Burgundavia | bugger, I will play tomorrow | 07:35 |
| Laser_away | np, maybe by the start of edgy+1 I'll have a decent pbuilder machine ;-) | 07:37 |
| imbrandon | moins all | 07:41 |
| bddebian | Laser_away: Well just send me a nice amd64 machine and I'll make sure I have a pbuilder on there for ya.. ;-) | 07:42 |
| Burgundavia | morning imbrandon | 07:43 |
| Burgundavia | I had a question for you | 07:43 |
| imbrandon | sure | 07:43 |
| imbrandon | nice souyuz piece btw | 07:43 |
| imbrandon | soyuz* | 07:43 |
| Burgundavia | soyuz piece? | 07:45 |
| imbrandon | i thought you wrote that last one for the fridge | 07:46 |
| Burgundavia | nope | 07:46 |
| imbrandon | might have been sladen | 07:46 |
| imbrandon | anyhow , rember what it was Burgundavia ? | 07:47 |
| imbrandon | heh | 07:47 |
| Burgundavia | that is the issue, I don't remember | 07:47 |
| Burgundavia | right, amarok | 07:47 |
| bddebian | Boy, even Laser_away doesn't talk to me anymore :'-( | 07:47 |
| imbrandon | lol bddebian | 07:47 |
| Burgundavia | Added support for edgy ( and future TBA releases ) to install-mp3 <-- what is this? | 07:47 |
| imbrandon | Burgundavia, ahh the install-mp3 script that Riddell made for amarok, it only worked ( or assumed ) that you were on dapper | 07:48 |
| Burgundavia | imbrandon: does it install mp3 support? | 07:48 |
| imbrandon | so i changed it to use lsbrelease -sc | 07:48 |
| imbrandon | Burgundavia, yes , the first time you try to play a mp3 in amarok, if you dont have mp3 support it ask if you want to install it and | 07:49 |
| imbrandon | then uppon yes it does | 07:49 |
| Burgundavia | ok | 07:49 |
| Laser_away | bddebian: oh whatever | 07:49 |
| Laser_away | bddebian: you know I love you ;-) | 07:49 |
| Burgundavia | bddebian: we all love you | 07:49 |
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| === imbrandon hugs bddebian too | ||
| imbrandon | group hug ;) | 07:50 |
| Burgundavia | hmm, you guys are busy | 07:50 |
| Burgundavia | UWN edgy section is going to be big this week | 07:50 |
| Laser_away | good | 07:50 |
| imbrandon | hehe Burgundavia | 07:50 |
| bddebian | Bah | 07:51 |
| imbrandon | Burgundavia, if your wondering about that script for the UWN i can grab some screen shots, i have a fresh install on my laptop | 07:51 |
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| Burgundavia | no, just wanted to mention it | 07:51 |
| imbrandon | ok sounds good ;) | 07:51 |
| bddebian | Now I have to take my antique arse to bed. Gnight folks | 07:51 |
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| imbrandon | gnight bddebian | 07:52 |
| imbrandon | hello robitaille | 07:52 |
| robitaille | Hi imbrandon | 07:52 |
| Burgundavia | hey robitaille | 07:53 |
| robitaille | Hi Burgundavia | 07:53 |
| robitaille | sigh...some of the Knot-3 iso over bigger than 700mb... of course I discovered that after downloading one... | 07:54 |
| robitaille | there goes my plan to upgrade the laptop tonight :) | 07:54 |
| imbrandon | robitaille, heh what ones? try a dvd should work if you "abosolutely" need it | 07:54 |
| robitaille | I don't have a DVD writer :) | 07:54 |
| imbrandon | ouch | 07:54 |
| robitaille | edgy-alternate-i386.iso is 702mb | 07:54 |
| imbrandon | hrm 702 ( upto 704 i /think/ ) should fit | 07:55 |
| imbrandon | specialy if your burner supports overburn but i think even if not | 07:55 |
| robitaille | it doesn't on my writer from what I can see with Nautilus | 07:55 |
| imbrandon | i dunno the onyl one i tested was the kubuntu desktop ppc | 07:56 |
| robitaille | anyway, I should probably test with the live installer instead of the alternate version | 07:56 |
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| imbrandon | infact i guess i should do a laptop report on it since everything seems to work this go round, even wireless | 07:56 |
| imbrandon | well OOTB i should say, i always got the stuff working hehe | 07:57 |
| ivoks | lilo died? | 08:02 |
| imbrandon | yes | 08:02 |
| ivoks | :( | 08:02 |
| imbrandon | early today | 08:03 |
| Fujitsu | Yeah, :( | 08:04 |
| Fujitsu | #freenode-announce is going crazy. | 08:04 |
| bureado | Sorry for the OT, is there anyone using ORCA here? | 08:07 |
| === imbrandon just hopes freenode will stay stable ( politicaly ) but there is a freenode board , so all /should/ be ok | ||
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| Fujitsu | imbrandon, it should. | 08:19 |
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| imbrandon | yea , it should, just hopeing | 08:19 |
| Fujitsu | Yeah... | 08:19 |
| rmjb | Hi, is the motu school still operational? | 08:19 |
| crimsun | rmjb: yes | 08:20 |
| imbrandon | rmjb, yessir | 08:20 |
| rmjb | the topic in the channel says next class is Aug 11 | 08:20 |
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| Fujitsu | rmjb, nobody changed the topic after the lat one. | 08:21 |
| Fujitsu | *last | 08:21 |
| imbrandon | rmjb, topic is a bit off, probably needs fixed | 08:21 |
| adamant1988 | Fujitsu: this is the package list of what naim wants to remove. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23717 | 08:21 |
| Fujitsu | Ah. | 08:21 |
| Fujitsu | Not related.. | 08:21 |
| Fujitsu | Note that it says `are unused and will be removed' | 08:21 |
| adamant1988 | it doesn't seem like they're not used... particularly since I just install wlassistant | 08:22 |
| Fujitsu | It just means that they are no longer depended on by anything, so it's removing them automatically... Nothing to do with the installation. | 08:22 |
| imbrandon | autoremove shouldent be on by default though should it | 08:22 |
| Fujitsu | adamant1988, it means they were just installed as dependencies of something else, and said something else has been removed. | 08:22 |
| Fujitsu | imbrandon, in aptitude it is. | 08:23 |
| imbrandon | adamant1988, do you have kubuntu-desktop likely | 08:23 |
| adamant1988 | imbrandon: yes, I just installed kubuntu-desktop | 08:23 |
| imbrandon | ahh i never use aptitittude, it tries to be too smart | 08:23 |
| Fujitsu | imbrandon, agreed. | 08:23 |
| adamant1988 | yeah, I used aptitude so I could remove any packages it installs with kubuntu-desktop | 08:23 |
| adamant1988 | oh... I see what it's trying to do... kubuntu-desktop was removed and it wants to remove all the packages I installed with it? | 08:24 |
| imbrandon | well that be one of the side effects ;) yup | 08:24 |
| imbrandon | exactly | 08:24 |
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| adamant1988 | so... how do I fix this?> | 08:24 |
| imbrandon | here be dragons ( of aptitude ), use apt-get ;) | 08:24 |
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| Fujitsu | Evening, Gloubiboulga.. | 08:25 |
| adamant1988 | so just switch to apt-get and it won't be a problem? | 08:25 |
| imbrandon | adamant1988, nope shouldent be | 08:25 |
| Fujitsu | adamant1988, yep. | 08:25 |
| Laser_away | well ... | 08:25 |
| adamant1988 | that sucks though.. I really liked aptitude... | 08:25 |
| Gloubiboulga | morning Fujitsu (8:25 am here) | 08:25 |
| adamant1988 | ok, sorry for wasting your time :) | 08:25 |
| imbrandon | adamant1988, or reinstall kubuntu-desktop | 08:25 |
| Laser_away | adamant1988: you should be able to get aptitude to do what you want too | 08:25 |
| rmjb | you want to keep some apps that were installed with aptitude? | 08:25 |
| Laser_away | adamant1988: it just might take a little convincing ;-) | 08:26 |
| adamant1988 | hrmmm let me try reinstalling kubuntu desktop | 08:26 |
| adamant1988 | although I'm not sure why it's removed anyway | 08:26 |
| imbrandon | yea aptitude tries to be smarter than you but you can coax it | 08:26 |
| adamant1988 | I didn't do it. | 08:26 |
| imbrandon | if you try hard enough | 08:26 |
| Laser_away | it is nice for the *-desktops | 08:27 |
| Laser_away | but I seem to get it confused (or maybe I get confused) fairly quickly :-) | 08:27 |
| imbrandon | Laser_away, not for people like me that remove oo.o on instalation in favor of koffice and thus remove the *-desktop ;) | 08:27 |
| rmjb | adamant1988: aptitude marks dependency packages as Auto installed. So if you want to keep a packages that's marked as Auto, issue an aptitude install command for it and that should remove the Auto nature of it | 08:27 |
| Fujitsu | imbrandon, that's what Edgy's new seeds are for. | 08:28 |
| imbrandon | Fujitsu, i know | 08:28 |
| Laser_away | imbrandon: I just install koffice too | 08:28 |
| adamant1988 | which puts it on par with apt-get | 08:28 |
| adamant1988 | I'll just apt-get naim | 08:28 |
| rmjb | they all use dpkg in the backend so you can switch apt-get, aptitude and synaptic as much as you want | 08:29 |
| Laser_away | well, I've found that it isn't quite that easy | 08:29 |
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| bureado | I honestly don't know what's the state of mixing frontends in Ubuntu, but in Debian it ends in a total catastrophe. | 08:29 |
| adamant1988 | rmjb: yeah.. I was using aptitude because I wanted to not have to worry about removing needed depencies. | 08:30 |
| bureado | Synaptic actually seems to be apt-get, so mixing those seems to be OK. But when aptitude jumps in, it gets difficult. | 08:30 |
| rmjb | but if you use apt-get or synaptic aptitude wont know if those packages are Auto installed so it wont auto-remove them, if that's your intention the no probs | 08:30 |
| adamant1988 | yeah... I'm just going to use apt-get from now one | 08:30 |
| adamant1988 | on* | 08:30 |
| imbrandon | rmjb, and apt-get has a new sugested remove too like aptitude but dopes automativcly do it | 08:31 |
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| bureado | adamant1988: Any decission will be OK as long as you stick uniformly with it. | 08:31 |
| Fujitsu | Yagisan, file a bug! | 08:31 |
| rmjb | that new feature is in the apt-get in the repos? | 08:31 |
| crimsun | no, nasty nasty bashisms. | 08:31 |
| Fujitsu | Dash is GOOD! | 08:31 |
| Fujitsu | Nasty POSIX-noncompliant scripts. | 08:32 |
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| Yagisan | Fujitsu, I will | 08:32 |
| Yagisan | crimsun, it appears that any file that used source foo dies | 08:32 |
| crimsun | sorry, I'm not following? | 08:35 |
| crimsun | oh, 'source'. Right. | 08:35 |
| crimsun | '. foo' instead | 08:35 |
| Yagisan | ok. it's bug #60877 somone that is brighter then I at shell scripts might fix it. | 08:38 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 60877 in ddns3-client "ddns3 client does not start if /bin/sh is linked to dash" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/60877 | 08:38 |
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| StevenK | Yagisan: I'm happy to look at it, but I have no details for ddns | 08:51 |
| Yagisan | StevenK, you can set up a free account here -> http://www.ddns.nu/index.php | 08:52 |
| Yagisan | StevenK, it was stupid of me to not list that | 08:52 |
| Yagisan | StevenK, bug report updated | 08:54 |
| StevenK | Yagisan: Right. I have a patch for that particular error | 08:57 |
| Yagisan | StevenK, thanks mate. | 08:58 |
| StevenK | Yagisan: The rest of the script looks fine, apart from usage of ``, as opposed to $(), but that's just aesthetics. | 08:59 |
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| StevenK | Yagisan: I can upload a fix, or I can throw the patch at the bug report. | 08:59 |
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| Yagisan | StevenK, please upload, I'm not a motu | 09:01 |
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| dotwaffle | hey all (if awake) looking to do an article for the UWN on the REVU day, anyone got anything to add? | 09:04 |
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| imbrandon | dotwaffle, something about lilo this week would be nice | 09:08 |
| imbrandon | if Burgundavia hasent done it already | 09:08 |
| dotwaffle | imbrandon: Freenode's lilo as opposed to Linux Loader, I presume | 09:09 |
| Burgundavia | imbrandon: I will add something | 09:09 |
| dotwaffle | He's on the job, quick devil :) | 09:09 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 09:09 |
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| StevenK | Yagisan: Uploaded. | 09:17 |
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| Yagisan | StevenK, thanks :) | 09:18 |
| imbrandon | hrm is there a kde ooby client ? | 09:23 |
| Fujitsu | imbrandon, no. | 09:23 |
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| imbrandon | s/ooby/obby | 09:24 |
| imbrandon | but yea that sucks | 09:24 |
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| seaLne | it would be nice in kopete :) | 09:34 |
| seaLne | i wonder tho if jabber is more the way forward for colaberative stuff | 09:34 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: any reason why you're stealing the merges listed as me? | 09:36 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: enigma's a sync - it's been filed for a while. clearly crimsun didnt see it. | 09:36 |
| Fujitsu | Hobbsee, is it? I didn't think dh_iconcache was included in any of those includes... | 09:38 |
| Fujitsu | Oops.. | 09:38 |
| Hobbsee | oh wait | 09:38 |
| Hobbsee | yeah, you might be right | 09:38 |
| Hobbsee | maybe i'im confused | 09:38 |
| Fujitsu | I don't see why it would be there. | 09:38 |
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| === Hobbsee thought she left it there, requesting a sync | ||
| Hobbsee | is it in gnome.mk or kde.mk? | 09:38 |
| Hobbsee | oh well | 09:38 |
| Fujitsu | Er, enigma includes neither. | 09:38 |
| Fujitsu | It is in kde.mk, though. | 09:38 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: ah right | 09:39 |
| Hobbsee | yes, of course it's in kde.mk :P | 09:39 |
| Hobbsee | i changed that :D | 09:39 |
| Fujitsu | I thought so. | 09:40 |
| Hobbsee | anyway, as a general note, you dont need to touch my merges at this poitn in the release cycle - most either dont build, upstream has updated with my changes, etc | 09:40 |
| Hobbsee | or they're waiting on sync.s | 09:40 |
| Fujitsu | I also see a substantial lack of sync request for Enigma... | 09:40 |
| Hobbsee | or at least poke me first :P | 09:40 |
| Fujitsu | OK. | 09:40 |
| Hobbsee | yeah, i noticed that... | 09:40 |
| Hobbsee | i thought i requested it | 09:41 |
| Hobbsee | or did i merge it already? | 09:41 |
| Hobbsee | !info enigma edgy | 09:41 |
| ubotu | enigma: A game where you control a marble with the mouse. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.92.3-3ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 612 kB, installed size 1748 kB | 09:41 |
| Hobbsee | weird | 09:41 |
| Hobbsee | dont remember what happened there | 09:41 |
| Fujitsu | You last did it on 2006/07/10. | 09:41 |
| Hobbsee | yeah, ages ago | 09:42 |
| Hobbsee | i thought i touched it since then | 09:42 |
| Hobbsee | weird. | 09:42 |
| Fujitsu | OK, I shall cease going near your merges from now on :) | 09:43 |
| Hobbsee | of course, when the merges first come.... :P | 09:43 |
| Hobbsee | well, poke me at least | 09:43 |
| Fujitsu | OK, I shall... | 09:44 |
| Fujitsu | Hm. | 09:44 |
| Fujitsu | I've got nothing to do for the first 3 months of Edgy+1's development... No school... | 09:44 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 09:45 |
| Hobbsee | get merging :) | 09:45 |
| Hobbsee | once they've built the toolchain | 09:45 |
| Fujitsu | I plan to. | 09:46 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: that's where a pbuilder for edgy+1 becomes your friend | 09:46 |
| Fujitsu | Hobbsee, yeah... | 09:46 |
| glick | which method of creating packages is most used? debhelper, or CDBS? | 09:46 |
| Hobbsee | glick: debhelper. both are fairly common | 09:46 |
| Fujitsu | Though I'll upgrade my laptop earlier for Edgy+1, because it won't be so used for production work. | 09:46 |
| glick | ok | 09:46 |
| glick | dratz, i feel so limited with only one machine :( | 09:47 |
| glick | i only have a humble little laptop | 09:47 |
| Fujitsu | glick, as do I. | 09:48 |
| Fujitsu | But I can afford to have it broken if I don't need it for school, and I like fixing broken systems :P | 09:48 |
| Hobbsee | glick: i only have 1 machine here too. | 09:49 |
| Hobbsee | glick: i can have 3 systems on 40GB though | 09:49 |
| Hobbsee | just tripple boot :P | 09:49 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: separate partition. | 09:49 |
| glick | my frien on the other coast is supposed to hook my old p3 up that i left over there and connect it to the net | 09:49 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: but dont even bother with that until they fix apt, etc | 09:50 |
| glick | heh | 09:50 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: dont even bother until they get the first milestone out or so - there's no point | 09:50 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: everything's getting merged like crazy | 09:50 |
| Hobbsee | so it mostly doesnt work | 09:50 |
| Fujitsu | Hobbsee, I upgraded just before Knot 1. | 09:50 |
| Fujitsu | Hobbsee, noted. | 09:50 |
| Hobbsee | :P | 09:50 |
| Hobbsee | yeah, same here. | 09:50 |
| Fujitsu | (I was on Dapper around Flight 1) | 09:50 |
| glick | well id like to be able to do test setups of things like squid and dns n stuff | 09:50 |
| Hobbsee | go for it | 09:51 |
| Hobbsee | it mostly works now | 09:51 |
| Hobbsee | i think | 09:51 |
| imbrandon | vmware / qemu ;) | 09:51 |
| Fujitsu | Shouldn't Edgy+1's name be released shortly? | 09:51 |
| imbrandon | Fujitsu, yea semi soon | 09:52 |
| Hobbsee | i'm wondering when though | 09:52 |
| Hobbsee | seeing as the conference will be in under 2 months | 09:52 |
| Fujitsu | Yeah... | 09:52 |
| imbrandon | any day now if i was a betting man, last time it was about a month before release | 09:52 |
| Fujitsu | It was about a month before Dapper that Edgy was named. | 09:52 |
| Fujitsu | Damn. | 09:52 |
| Fujitsu | I got in too late. | 09:52 |
| imbrandon | lol | 09:52 |
| imbrandon | we're just over a month out now soo it shouldent be long | 09:53 |
| Fujitsu | Yeah. | 09:54 |
| imbrandon | daft dango's ( arent those those AU dog's ? ) hehe | 09:54 |
| Hobbsee | dingos? | 09:54 |
| Hobbsee | you cant spell, imbrandon :P | 09:54 |
| imbrandon | yea htat was it | 09:54 |
| imbrandon | i dident know what they were called ;) | 09:54 |
| seaLne | and your alphabet is a bit out of order | 09:54 |
| StevenK | And a dingo is not a dog. | 09:54 |
| imbrandon | they are just dog's here | 09:55 |
| Fujitsu | Actually, the name was released a month before it /should/ have been released. | 09:55 |
| imbrandon | ahh thats right we're going in order | 09:55 |
| imbrandon | hrm F | 09:55 |
| Fujitsu | Dangos! Yay! | 09:55 |
| imbrandon | StevenK, they arent ? | 09:55 |
| Fujitsu | imbrandon, nope. | 09:56 |
| Fujitsu | They are distinct, and they eat babies, whereas dogs don't so much :P | 09:56 |
| seaLne | in the same way wolfs aren't dogs? | 09:56 |
| StevenK | seaLne: Correct. | 09:56 |
| imbrandon | wolfs are dogs | 09:56 |
| Yagisan | a dingo is a "dog", but a marsupial variety. Not what you'd associate with a domesticated dog, but still | 09:56 |
| StevenK | imbrandon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dingo | 09:56 |
| imbrandon | wolf is just a wild dog | 09:56 |
| imbrandon | heh | 09:56 |
| StevenK | imbrandon: A wolf is not a wild dog. | 09:56 |
| Yagisan | it is still a member of the canine family | 09:57 |
| StevenK | imbrandon: That's like calling an American a person | 09:57 |
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| imbrandon | StevenK, if they can mate they are of the same species | 09:57 |
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| imbrandon | hahaha | 09:57 |
| imbrandon | wolf and domesticated dogs can intermix so they are one in the same | 09:57 |
| imbrandon | species | 09:57 |
| imbrandon | hahaha Americans != people /me will rember that | 09:59 |
| Yagisan | all you ever wanted to know about "dogs" -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canis | 10:00 |
| imbrandon | StevenK, wow wikipeda says they are wild dogs heh | 10:00 |
| imbrandon | and no i dident edit it | 10:00 |
| imbrandon | quote : The dingo (plural dingos or dingoes), Canis lupus dingo, is a type of wild dog, probably descended from the Indian Wolf | 10:00 |
| imbrandon | heh looks like a dingo is closer to a wolf than a domestic dog anyhow | 10:01 |
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| Yagisan | oh, I'm in wikipedia o_O I feel so special | 10:07 |
| glick | is the debian package manual more comprehensice then the one that comes with ubuntu? | 10:08 |
| imbrandon | glick, the debian one still applies for the most part then read the ubuntu one for specifics | 10:14 |
| imbrandon | to ubuntu | 10:14 |
| glick | so mainly the only difference is versioning schemes? | 10:15 |
| imbrandon | there are a few other things but that is the main one noticed first | 10:15 |
| imbrandon | mostly where files are put too when installed is a bit diffrent at times | 10:15 |
| imbrandon | brb | 10:15 |
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| Lathiat | Hrm lynx in ubuntu is version 2.8.5-2ubuntu2, which is higher than the 2.8.5-2sarge2.1 in unstable (ubuntu version was based of -2sarge1) i guess the version was modified incorrectly what would be the appropriate fix? | 10:50 |
| Lathiat | fake sync with ubuntu3 ? | 10:50 |
| Fujitsu | Lathiat, yes. | 10:53 |
| Lathiat | I guess the right thing would have been to use -2sarge1ubuntu1 in the first place? | 10:54 |
| Fujitsu | Lathiat, if it was based on that. | 10:56 |
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| Lathiat | it was | 10:56 |
| Lathiat | and later -2sarge2 was added | 10:56 |
| Lathiat | i guess the sarge thing could have been added later in debian tho | 10:56 |
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| Lathiat | in which case youd have the same problem | 10:56 |
| Fujitsu | You sure there wasn't a -2ubuntu1 first? | 10:56 |
| Lathiat | no the -2ubuntu1 changelog has -2sarge1 in the changelog history | 10:57 |
| Fujitsu | hm. | 10:57 |
| Fujitsu | So it should have been -2sarge1ubuntu1, probably. | 10:57 |
| Lathiat | +-- 6 lines: lynx (2.8.5-2ubuntu2) edgy; urgency=low -- Martin Pitt ---------- | 10:57 |
| Lathiat | +-- 6 lines: lynx (2.8.5-2ubuntu1) dapper; urgency=low -- Martin Pitt -------- | 10:57 |
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| Lathiat | +-- 9 lines: lynx (2.8.5-2sarge1) stable-security; urgency=high -- Martin Schul | 10:57 |
| Lathiat | right | 10:57 |
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| Fujitsu | I trust pitti, though... There must have been a reason for it. | 10:59 |
| Lathiat | i would assume a simple mistake *shrug* | 10:59 |
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| Lathiat | Also does it make sense to keep the package changelog history | 11:04 |
| Lathiat | even fi the versions dont order properly? | 11:04 |
| Lathiat | one was a rebuidl and the others a change thats now in debian (simple build-dep) does it make more sense just to strip them out? | 11:04 |
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| Adri2000 | hi | 01:32 |
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| Adri2000 | can someone run revu-report on this package http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3153 please? | 01:33 |
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| kmon_ | hi | 01:51 |
| kmon_ | I would like to request a package that's in debian but not in ubuntu: bonfire, a gtk gstreamer0.10 burning tool | 01:52 |
| kmon_ | how can I do the request? | 01:52 |
| === Hobbsee notes that that's been talked about for a while. | ||
| kmon_ | Hobbsee: that package? | 01:54 |
| Hobbsee | kmon_: check if the debian package builds in ubuntu edgy, if it does, request a sync | 01:54 |
| Hobbsee | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/bonfire/+bug/57199 | 01:54 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 57199 in bonfire "Add bonfire/ brasero" [Unknown,Fix released] | 01:54 |
| lucas | kmon_: what's the source package name for bonfire ? | 01:54 |
| kmon_ | I think it's bonfire | 01:55 |
| kmon_ | here's the debian package page: | 01:55 |
| kmon_ | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=bonfire&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all | 01:55 |
| lucas | ok, it's one of the hundreds of packages from Debian which were never synced to ubuntu | 01:56 |
| Adri2000 | bonfire is now known as brasero: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3133 | 01:57 |
| kmon_ | I gess debian is too big ;) | 01:57 |
| kmon_ | Adri2000: yes, I've just noticed | 01:57 |
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| Hobbsee | Adri2000: you made that package? | 02:01 |
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| Adri2000 | Hobbsee: no, mr_pouit made it | 02:02 |
| Hobbsee | Adri2000: ahh okay | 02:02 |
| ivoks | kmon_: bonfire will get in 26th | 02:02 |
| kmon_ | ivoks: thanks | 02:02 |
| Hobbsee | ivoks: you're adding it? hi, by the way | 02:02 |
| ivoks | Hobbsee: hi | 02:03 |
| ivoks | Hobbsee: let's say i know the author :) | 02:03 |
| Hobbsee | ivoks: ahhh :) | 02:03 |
| ivoks | we are waiting for a new release that will make it easier to maintain packages | 02:03 |
| Hobbsee | ivoks: do i want to dare ask about firefox? | 02:03 |
| ivoks | firefox? | 02:03 |
| Hobbsee | oh grrr. dont worry, i'm getting you mixed up. | 02:03 |
| ivoks | :) | 02:03 |
| Hobbsee | ivoks: you're the printing guy, right? | 02:03 |
| === Hobbsee confused you with iwj for a second there | ||
| ivoks | hehe | 02:04 |
| Hobbsee | well, that's one of the things you do, anyway :P i think | 02:04 |
| ivoks | you can say that, a printing guy :) | 02:04 |
| ivoks | what about firefox? | 02:04 |
| Hobbsee | was wondering when 1.5.0.7 would make it into ubuntu | 02:05 |
| ivoks | am i the only one with broken navigation toolbar? :) | 02:05 |
| Hobbsee | !info firefox | 02:05 |
| ubotu | firefox: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.5-0ubuntu6.06.1 (dapper), package size 7730 kB, installed size 22912 kB | 02:05 |
| Hobbsee | ivoks: i dont use that broken thing called gnome. *g* | 02:05 |
| ivoks | :p | 02:05 |
| ivoks | :) | 02:05 |
| thom | oh please. at least gnome actually has a ui design, rather than just using small children to throw paint at the screen and adding the code to make it work | 02:06 |
| tseng | Hobbsee: haha! | 02:06 |
| tseng | Hobbsee: good one | 02:06 |
| Fujitsu | thom, hahaha. True. | 02:06 |
| Hobbsee | tseng: :P | 02:06 |
| ivoks | thom: :) | 02:06 |
| ivoks | let's start a flamewar :) | 02:06 |
| tseng | Muine is a Gnome app | 02:06 |
| tseng | enough said | 02:06 |
| thom | i started amarok the other day, whilst searching for a decent media player. holy crap. could there be any more options? | 02:06 |
| Hobbsee | thom: i'm surprised that they're still allowing printing to happen in gnome at all - seeing as a button there to configure which printer to use was seen to be too complex. | 02:06 |
| Hobbsee | haha | 02:07 |
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| Hobbsee | ivoks: seems like it :P | 02:07 |
| ivoks | hahaha don't get me start on KDE and printing :) | 02:07 |
| azeem | thom: if you can't cope with amarok, it means you are unable to make decisions | 02:07 |
| tseng | Hobbsee: thats a good troll, but entirely untrue | 02:07 |
| Hobbsee | ivoks: we've decreased functionality, to be more like gnome :P | 02:07 |
| Hobbsee | tseng: awww...i was told it was | 02:07 |
| ivoks | Hobbsee: to 0? :) | 02:07 |
| Hobbsee | tseng: jdong whinged about it | 02:07 |
| Hobbsee | ivoks: no, it does have functionality. some. | 02:08 |
| DarkMageZ | azeem, no, it's a matter on how the persons mind works. | 02:08 |
| ivoks | Citing printing.kde.org 'Latest news: Februar 2002." :) | 02:08 |
| tseng | Hobbsee: no comment, read my mind | 02:08 |
| DarkMageZ | thom, if amarok doesn't work out for you, rhythmbox might | 02:08 |
| Hobbsee | tseng: right | 02:08 |
| ivoks | anyway... | 02:08 |
| === tseng hugs Hobbsee | ||
| ivoks | take care guys | 02:08 |
| === Hobbsee hugs tseng in return :) | ||
| tseng | bye ivoks | 02:09 |
| Hobbsee | bye ivoks! | 02:09 |
| ivoks | hug time | 02:09 |
| === Hobbsee hugs ivoks | ||
| ivoks | yay | 02:09 |
| Hobbsee | yay, hugs :) | 02:09 |
| === Fujitsu hugs the channel. | ||
| Hobbsee | heh. | 02:09 |
| thom | DarkMageZ: rb doesn't even run currently, but i've no idea why | 02:09 |
| === Fujitsu hugs Channel. | ||
| ivoks | i have exams next week :/ | 02:09 |
| tseng | thom: i blame dbus | 02:09 |
| thom | tseng: seems reasonable | 02:09 |
| tseng | thom: covers most everything | 02:09 |
| === the Channel hugs Fujitsu back | ||
| === ivoks hugs... all of you! | ||
| DarkMageZ | thom, are you on edgy? | 02:09 |
| Fujitsu | :) | 02:09 |
| tseng | thom: mine works btw | 02:10 |
| tseng | not that I would want to use this | 02:10 |
| thom | DarkMageZ: yes | 02:10 |
| Hobbsee | that would have worked so much better if i'd gotten the command right. | 02:10 |
| Fujitsu | Hobbsee, yeah. | 02:10 |
| thom | oh well, last-exit does what i need | 02:10 |
| tseng | woo last-exit | 02:10 |
| Mithrandir | quod libet wfm. | 02:11 |
| tseng | hi Tollef | 02:11 |
| Mithrandir | hello tseng | 02:12 |
| Hobbsee | hey Mithrandir | 02:12 |
| thom | Mithrandir: ah, i'd forgotten about q-l | 02:12 |
| === Hobbsee stomps on Mithrandir's feet | ||
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| === kmon_ likes banshee | ||
| Hobbsee | hehe | 02:12 |
| tseng | kmon_: yay banshee | 02:12 |
| === Hobbsee tickles Mithrandir back, and pokes his ribs hard. i still win. | ||
| Hobbsee | Mithrandir: just you wait for me to get to a developer summit :P | 02:13 |
| thom | tseng: you just have an autofilter for anything mono and yay it, right? ;-) | 02:13 |
| tseng | thom: hm not really | 02:13 |
| lifeless | scary thought | 02:13 |
| tseng | thom: but there are alot of great gtk# apps so far | 02:13 |
| tseng | banshee, muine, last-exit happen to be my favorites regardless of platform bias | 02:14 |
| tseng | been using muine for years | 02:14 |
| tseng | when it was basically the only useful mono app | 02:14 |
| thom | tseng: i was just trolling gently :-) | 02:15 |
| tseng | the most amazing part about banshee is ipod support | 02:15 |
| tseng | in two directions | 02:15 |
| thom | lifeless: did you see that sun open sourced that research smalltalk vm the other day, btw? | 02:15 |
| tseng | does anyone else even do that well? | 02:16 |
| lifeless | strongtalk yeah | 02:16 |
| sladen | Hobbsee: ask simira and she'll do the Mithrandir poking for you! | 02:16 |
| lifeless | commercial smalltalk - vw specifically is still faster | 02:16 |
| Hobbsee | sladen: could be a plan | 02:16 |
| Mithrandir | sladen: she loves me too much for that. :-P | 02:16 |
| tseng | poking-by-proxy | 02:16 |
| lifeless | self which is suns older smalltalk was a predecessor of strongtalk, by the same folk | 02:16 |
| lifeless | apparently lots of the techniques in strongtalk are in use today, buts its still rocking fast | 02:17 |
| thom | lifeless: no doubt, but it's an interesting step esp given sun's current interest in ruby | 02:17 |
| sladen | Mithrandir: yeah, I fear she might actually enjoy it :) | 02:17 |
| lifeless | (and note that java hotspot is what strongtalk became) | 02:17 |
| thom | yeah | 02:18 |
| lifeless | thom: well they open sourced everything but the vm some years back, this was planned and known to be coming | 02:18 |
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| bddebian | Heya gang | 03:04 |
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| siretart | KhanReape1: ping | 03:49 |
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| siretart | KhanReape1: see your inbox | 04:16 |
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| thrice` | can packages be requested to appear in universe if they do not currently exist in the repositories ? | 04:19 |
| tseng | does it exist in Debian? | 04:20 |
| thrice` | it doesn't appear to, no | 04:22 |
| tseng | then someone will need to do the packaging and post it to REVU | 04:22 |
| thrice` | i was going to package it myself, but .deb creation still confuses me :) | 04:24 |
| tseng | you are certainly welcome to ask questions here as you go | 04:25 |
| thrice` | thanks. I'm just used to bash buildscripts, I suppose | 04:26 |
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| Adri2000 | who has not yet reviewed a package on REVU today ? :-) | 06:12 |
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| ivoks | Adri2000: i would be glad to help you, but i can't for next two weeks (exams) :/ | 06:13 |
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| Adri2000 | good luck for your exams ;) | 06:14 |
| ivoks | thanks | 06:14 |
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| hikenboot | hello all---can anyone give me a clue as to how I would go from ubuntu-meta to ubuntu-desktop...I know I have to compile it some way but it doesnt contain a config or a make file so how would i do it? | 07:24 |
| hikenboot | I have removed open-office from the list of packages that it includes and want to transform it to the ubuntu-desktop | 07:25 |
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| scotth | hikenboot: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot | 08:34 |
| scotth | do that in the root directory of the package | 08:34 |
| scotth | the actual makefile your looking for is debian/rules | 08:34 |
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| hikenboot | scotth thanks a bunch! | 09:15 |
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| Burgundavia | imbrandon: ping | 09:47 |
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| surimi | hello | 10:01 |
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| phanatic | good evening | 10:03 |
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| surimi | I have install the only 200Mo from KDE for compiling this tar http://de.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=39052 and spend many hours to understand | 10:04 |
| surimi | it's hard to be a linux user and having free application like in Windows and Mac like http://www.linotype.com/fontexplorerX | 10:05 |
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| sladen_ | surimi: "200Mo" ? | 10:16 |
| sladen_ | Riddell: ^^does that make more sense to you? | 10:17 |
| surimi | sladen_, yes, all the package I had to install :\ | 10:18 |
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| surimi | the Scibus chan is pro KDE and Suse. So I have install too Konqueror and many paquets ^@^ and in fact I haven't the same than the few Mo for Linotype FontExplorer X. It's a pitty. Inkscape and Scibus are good applications. But where is the necessary font manager killer application ? | 10:25 |
| surimi | I have try this one too http://www.gesindel.de/page_whatis_english.php ^@^ | 10:26 |
| sladen_ | surimi: what's a "Mo" ? | 10:26 |
| wastrel | hello | 10:26 |
| surimi | nice but... I have finalised the installation :D | 10:26 |
| sladen_ | surimi: excellent to know! | 10:27 |
| surimi | sladen_, sorry Mb en english | 10:27 |
| sladen_ | surimi: ah, gotcha, a MB | 10:27 |
| surimi | * haven't finalised | 10:27 |
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| surimi | too difficult for an standard human user ^^ | 10:28 |
| surimi | to | 10:28 |
| surimi | it's my today experiments : it's hard to be a linux user :p | 10:29 |
| surimi | if someone can give some help to these developpements it will be so nice. I think. | 10:29 |
| surimi | I have read in a french blog that Linux is the Mac killer :D | 10:30 |
| surimi | I would so, to. | 10:30 |
| Toadstool | surimi: no it's not hard as long as you use what is packaged in your distribution :) | 10:31 |
| surimi | Toadstool, true | 10:31 |
| surimi | Toadstool, but there is no deb for Kunbuntu too. | 10:31 |
| tseng | Ubugtu: bug 60831 | 10:31 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 60831 in f-spot "f-spot crash" [Untriaged,Needs info] http://launchpad.net/bugs/60831 | 10:31 |
| Toadstool | surimi: I think you should ask for help in #ubuntu-fr or #ubuntu-fr-testing, this chan is more about packaging new stuff etc than for support ;) | 10:32 |
| surimi | and no Gnome projet ('aussi bien' in english) developped | 10:32 |
| surimi | Toadstool, I have made so, Sp4rky helped me a lot, Gloubiboulga too. | 10:33 |
| Toadstool | surimi: well, of course you can try to package the applications you're talking about :) | 10:33 |
| surimi | perhaps I'll have my deb this night \o/ | 10:33 |
| Toadstool | cool | 10:33 |
| surimi | but when we love, we don't count :) | 10:34 |
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| surimi | and now ladies and gentlemen http://pastebin.wikistuce.info/?213 | 10:39 |
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| surimi | with sudo :p | 10:41 |
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| surimi | next step http://pastebin.wikistuce.info/?214 | 10:45 |
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| Adri2000 | in debian/control, Section: should it be gnome or universe/gnome ? | 10:47 |
| Toadstool | gnome | 10:47 |
| Adri2000 | k | 10:48 |
| xhaker | people.. help me identify this as a bug please | 10:48 |
| xhaker | package wondershaper | 10:48 |
| xhaker | last changelog states it was reviewed for dash compatibility | 10:48 |
| xhaker | still.. there are "==" statements there | 10:49 |
| Toadstool | then it's a bug | 10:49 |
| wastrel | what's dash compatibility? | 10:50 |
| xhaker | dash is a POSIS strict shell | 10:50 |
| xhaker | bash as some added functionality | 10:51 |
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| xhaker | dash is in some cases faster | 10:51 |
| xhaker | Toadstool, the source in debian is correct | 10:51 |
| xhaker | the versions are the same in debian and ubuntu edgy | 10:51 |
| xhaker | i think | 10:52 |
| xhaker | there is a patch here | 10:53 |
| xhaker | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=292123 | 10:53 |
| Ubugtu | Debian bug 292123 in wondershaper "wondershaper: Wondershaper does not work with dash" [Important,Open] | 10:53 |
| Toadstool | wow, looks like the package is no more maintained... | 10:55 |
| xhaker | there is no ubuntu changes | 10:59 |
| xhaker | the package was synched right? | 10:59 |
| xhaker | the changelog stating the source was patched is what puzzles me | 10:59 |
| xhaker | it clearly states dash-readyness | 11:00 |
| Toadstool | well, it's obviously not dash-ready with all those "==" | 11:03 |
| xhaker | that bug report has the needed patch.. is that easy | 11:03 |
| xhaker | but how about fixing it in debian and ubuntu? | 11:04 |
| phanatic | just a new upstream release: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3160 could anybody have a look at it, and upload maybe? | 11:04 |
| xhaker | maybe it's easier in debian and sync | 11:04 |
| xhaker | still the bug report is older than 1 year | 11:05 |
| xhaker | haha | 11:05 |
| Adri2000 | Depends: python-central (>= 0.5), python < is it normal ? | 11:09 |
| Adri2000 | python-central is in the B-D, but should it be also in the Depends ? | 11:09 |
| LaserJock | um, yes I think so | 11:10 |
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| Adri2000 | okay | 11:10 |
| LaserJock | because I think python-central handles the byte-compiling of the python modules when the package is installed | 11:10 |
| crimsun | it doesn't need to be explicit | 11:11 |
| crimsun | ${python:Depends} will pull that in | 11:12 |
| LaserJock | really? | 11:12 |
| LaserJock | it knows to do python-central vs python-support? | 11:12 |
| Adri2000 | crimsun: yeah but it needs to be explicit in the B-D ? | 11:12 |
| crimsun | it needs to be an explicit b-d | 11:12 |
| xhaker | +Package: tcng | 11:12 |
| xhaker | +Architecture: any | 11:12 |
| xhaker | +Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, iproute, cpp | 11:12 |
| xhaker | tcng needs cpp ? | 11:12 |
| surimi | Toadstool, I have my killer application http://pastebin.wikistuce.info/?215 : there is no phto between this and this http://www.linotype.com/fontexplorerX :op | 11:13 |
| crimsun | Adri2000: I'm answering your query regarding whether p-c needs to be an explicit Depends | 11:13 |
| surimi | * photo | 11:13 |
| Adri2000 | Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5.0.37.2), python-central (>= 0.5), python-gtk2-dev | 11:14 |
| Adri2000 | Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}, ${python:Depends} | 11:14 |
| surimi | only 300MB and a half day to understand (?) compilation \o/ | 11:14 |
| Adri2000 | that's ok ? | 11:14 |
| Toadstool | phanatic: pbuilding | 11:14 |
| phanatic | Toadstool: thanks | 11:14 |
| crimsun | Adri2000: yes | 11:14 |
| Adri2000 | uploaded :) | 11:15 |
| crimsun | Adri2000: you'll also need the appropriate X{B,S}-Python-Version | 11:16 |
| Adri2000 | XB-Python-Version: ${python:Versions} | 11:16 |
| Adri2000 | XS-Python-Version: all | 11:16 |
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| Toadstool | phanatic: uploaded | 11:16 |
| crimsun | excellent | 11:16 |
| === Adri2000 is now waiting for the tomorrow revu day :) | ||
| phanatic | Toadstool: great, thank you very much :) | 11:18 |
| Toadstool | there's a REVU day tomorrow? | 11:18 |
| LaserJock | yes, show up :-) | 11:18 |
| Toadstool | phanatic: np ;) | 11:18 |
| Toadstool | yeah! | 11:19 |
| LaserJock | hopefully I'll even be able to do some reviewing | 11:19 |
| Toadstool | :) | 11:19 |
| hikenboot | hello all---back again I compiled ubuntu-desktop metapackage after removing openoffice from the list of files in the desktop-i386 file it compiled a.o.k...but I get a bunch of dependency errors trying to install...if the cd already contains ubuntu-live and ubuntu-base and ubuntu-desktop does it stand to reason that all the dependencies would aready be installed? | 11:19 |
| LaserJock | hikenboot: how are you installing it? dpkg ? | 11:20 |
| hikenboot | yes with dpkg -i | 11:21 |
| hikenboot | also i get errors trying to run the update script in the ubuntu-meta directory so i tried without running it | 11:22 |
| LaserJock | dpkg doesn't automatically resolve dependencies | 11:22 |
| hikenboot | how would you suggest i install it...its a .deb file? | 11:22 |
| LaserJock | but if you already had ubuntu-desktop and just removed openoffice I would expect much difference | 11:22 |
| LaserJock | apt-get -f install will grab the dependencies | 11:23 |
| LaserJock | but make sure to look at what it's wanting to do | 11:23 |
| hikenboot | it wants to install every bloody desktop app under the sun which i cant see it requiring | 11:23 |
| LaserJock | and you already had ubuntu-desktop installed? | 11:24 |
| hikenboot | yes its the ubuntu live cd | 11:24 |
| hikenboot | for 6.06 | 11:24 |
| LaserJock | hmm, kinda seems like your ubuntu-desktop got messed up somewhere in the proccess | 11:25 |
| hikenboot | i dont see how i compiled the new one from ubuntu-meta and the old one is from a fresh iso | 11:26 |
| hikenboot | which runs and installs to the virtual hard drive in vmware by the way | 11:27 |
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| LaserJock | well, I'd compare the deps of both .debs | 11:28 |
| LaserJock | openoffice should be the only difference if all went well | 11:29 |
| hikenboot | perhaps i could try substituting the office suite for another package which takes considerably less space but does the same functions? | 11:29 |
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| hikenboot | i really cant see that openoffice being a requirement for ubuntu desktop to run | 11:33 |
| LaserJock | well, Ubuntu wants to have a functional desktop, many people see openoffice as a part of that | 11:34 |
| hikenboot | I know but what I mean is for the cd to work...just work I cant see it being necessary...can you? | 11:34 |
| hikenboot | its not like udev ..or some library package | 11:35 |
| LaserJock | oh, right | 11:35 |
| hikenboot | maybe the problem is it needs to have the updates run | 11:35 |
| hikenboot | if i run ./update I get a bunch of http errors | 11:35 |
| LaserJock | and your network works? | 11:36 |
| hikenboot | is working perfectly | 11:36 |
| ajmitch | hi | 11:36 |
| hikenboot | i can browse the internet i can use apt-get everythings a.o.k. | 11:36 |
| LaserJock | k | 11:36 |
| hikenboot | not to mention xchat tworks | 11:36 |
| LaserJock | so you are trying to make a new ubuntu-desktop from within a livecd, right? | 11:37 |
| hikenboot | no i am trying to make a new ubuntu-desktop from the system no chroot | 11:37 |
| hikenboot | should i be doing it from inside the cd | 11:37 |
| hikenboot | /usr/lib/debootstrap/functions: line 875: /home/hikenboot/ubuntu-meta/ubuntu-meta-0.43/debootstrap-dir/var/lib/apt/lists/debootstrap.invalid_dists_hoary_main_binary-ia64_Packages: No such file or directory | 11:37 |
| LaserJock | no, I'm just not sure what you're doing | 11:38 |
| hikenboot | seems like its missing the ia64 files or somthing | 11:38 |
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| lynxorgd | NEW GAME http://www.cyber-wars.com/?ref=100628 | 12:06 |
| lynxorgd | http://www.cyber-wars.com/?ref=100628 | 12:06 |
| lynxorgd | http://www.cyber-wars.com/?ref=100628 | 12:06 |
| lynxorgd | http://www.cyber-wars.com/?ref=100628 | 12:06 |
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| eddyp | does anybody have an idea how does Ubuntu's REVU works wrt the versions of packages which are uploaded? How do I get the most recent version | 12:06 |
| eddyp | example: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2694 | 12:06 |
| eddyp | where from do I get the most recent version? | 12:07 |
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