=== mr_pouit [n=mr_pouit@81.56.214.84] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:11] Adri2000: have you tried installing your package in a chroot and see if it works? === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:13] Can I get a reason for why my recently-submitted packages show up in rejected (ftp://revu.tauware.de/incoming/rejected)? [12:13] geser: do you have confirmation from kamion and/or mdz that you can proceed with #58564? [12:14] Thanks crimsun :) [12:17] crimsun: I mailed mdz, he forwarded it to infinity and he mailed me "yes, this fix should do the trick. I'll happily push this through the UNAPPROVED queue if it's uploaded." [12:19] great, thanks. === DarkMageZ [n=darkmage@ppp2-104.lns1.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:35] quick question, sympa is way out of date in ubuntu and debian. There is a new version in debian/experimental, but its broken. After an initial look, I think the problem may be in the very way it was packaged. Is it ok to diverge significantly from the way debian packages a package? [12:36] perhaps not preferable but certainly acceptable in some cases [12:37] mk ty [12:40] geser: uploaded, awaiting ACCEPT. Thanks for your work & persistence. === theCore [n=alex@modemcable106.200-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === theCore [n=alex@modemcable106.200-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === Nafallo [n=nafallo@ubuntu/member/nafallo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Adri2000 [n=Adri2000@unaffiliated/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jdong_ [n=jdong@d192-24-235-141.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === xopher [n=xopher@a80-186-122-109.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jdong_ [n=jdong@d192-24-235-141.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === micah_c [n=micah@adsl-69-236-102-122.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === neutrinomass [n=pandis@ppp94-206.adsl.forthnet.gr] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [01:44] c [01:44] crimsun: thanks [01:44] TheMuso: np. Btw, the clean target still had an aclocal invocation that I made failable. [01:50] Fujitsu: have you checked the enigma source package in Debian experimental? [01:50] crimsun, no I haven't. Should I? [01:51] Fujitsu: it's up to you. I was unaware whether you had. [01:58] Fujitsu: I'll go ahead and process 60827 using unstable [01:58] OK, thanks. === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:03] Heya gang [02:04] wow, barry spam in N+1 channels. [02:04] Hi bddebian. [02:04] N+1? [02:04] yeah, I lost count [02:04] Oh, yes. [02:05] crimsun: Ok thanks. [02:05] Hi Fujitsu [02:05] crimsun: I "spam" every channel :-) [02:05] :p [02:07] so /did/ .... [02:08] sladen, ? [02:08] never mind [02:22] bddebian: ping [02:22] ryanakca: yo [02:22] bddebian: could you please paste my course toonight at the midnight EST classroom? [02:23] bddebian: I'm sadly going to be fast asleep [02:23] ryanakca: Paste your course? === theCore [n=alex@modemcable106.200-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:24] bddebian: yes, it's all typed up, you just need to paste it in #ubuntu-classroom, gradually, and at the end answer a few basic Q's on apt.. [02:26] Uhm, I suppose [02:26] bddebian: http://rkavanagh.homelinux.org/~ryan/aptitudeclassroom [02:27] bddebian: thanks a million... now I just need to find a moderator [02:27] A moderator? [02:28] yes, someone to set it to +m and take questions in /msg [02:28] Ah [02:32] Toadstool: (make sure you enumerate which Ubuntu changes can be dropped due to which Debian updates, please) [02:36] crimsun: oops! [02:36] thanks for pointing this out [02:36] (and hi by the way) [02:37] hi :) === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:39] Morning, Burgundavia. [02:39] hey Fujitsu [02:40] And what a not particularly good morning it is too. [02:40] oh? [02:40] it is still the 16th here [02:41] Silly timezone differences. [02:41] We need Swatch Internet Time! :P [02:47] hmm, looks like my edgy chroot on my server is ready... at least I'll be able to do a few little things until I can afford buying a laptop [02:47] Heya Burgundavia === Toadstool waits impatiently for his first TI paycheck [03:06] bddebian: ping [03:06] Yo [03:06] classroom tonight. Mind if I teach my bit first? [03:07] Egads I will never get to sleep :-) [03:07] I need to work on UWN, for release a few hours later === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:14] Heya Hobbsee. [03:14] hey Fujitsu [03:14] Heya Hobbsee. [03:15] hey TheMuso :) [03:31] Hi Hobbsee [03:31] hi Hobbsee [03:35] Burgundavia: surely UWN comes out tomorrow? === hikenboot [n=hikenboo@c-24-218-84-234.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:37] hello all--Can anyone point me to a document on editing/creating metapackages? [03:37] a metapackage is an empty package that depends on other packages [03:38] I want to remove open office as a requirement in ubuntu-desktop [03:38] not sure what more documentation you want [03:38] ubuntu-desktop specifically is special [03:39] basically ubuntu-desktop's requirement for open office means 300 meg more space is taken on the cd..300 meg I could use for my own packages [03:39] you can remove it in the cd image... [03:39] you dont really need ubuntu-desktop left around in the context of the custom cd [03:40] yes but as soon as you try and install another package it causes errors [03:40] a better method, correct me if im wrong would be to some how tell it open-office isnt required [03:41] http://www.archivum.info/ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com/2005-02/msg00342.html [03:41] ubuntu-desktop is built from the source package ubuntu-meta, presumablly you could modify that and rebuild it [03:41] alternatively you could just make your cd not install ubuntu-desktop [03:42] plugwash how could i make it so it doesnt install ubuntu-desktop [03:43] presumablly the same way you made it not install openoffice? === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:44] hey bddebian, ajmitch [03:44] I actually just did an apt-get remove from a chroot...but i find doing this effects future edits to the cd so perhaps my methd is wrong? === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:50] hikenboot: 'affects' ? [03:53] it errors when trying to add further packages...the only way i can get close in fact is to add 100% of all the packages I want and then remove open office last [03:53] whyich in turn causes ubuntu-desktop to be removed [03:56] sladen: tomorrow your time, today mine [03:57] sladen: last few weeks have been delayed due to wiki breakage [03:58] Damn this should be interesting, I never even use aptitude :-) [03:58] Burgundavia, are you really expecting it to not break this week? [03:58] Fujitsu: yes, I do === zul_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:58] Burgundavia, that's a bit optimistic, I think. [03:58] Fujitsu: moving to gobby soon anyway [03:59] Speaking of which, I need to merge that. [03:59] hikenboot just let it remove ubuntu-desktop, removing ubuntu-desktop shouldn't break anything [03:59] i presume this is a livecd you are trying to build? [04:00] yes [04:00] a live cd which I am keeping the ability for users to install into harddrive [04:04] so when you apt-get remove in the chroot what exactly does apt say? [04:04] and what exactly goes wrong if you say yes [04:06] sorry I have been working for the last week with uck to get around the problem and dont remember..I will try it again and come back when I have specific messsages === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === truz_`24 [n=truz_`24@74.129.166.232] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:09] imbrandon: WHOA MYTH 0.20 === tseng hugs imbrandon === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:12] hrmph [05:12] hrmph to you also [05:13] :-) === janm [n=jmalonzo@ppp4592.dsl.pacific.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@221.221.163.246] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [05:20] Laser_away: ping [05:21] TheMuso: why is the libtool archive in libexiv2-0.10 and not in libexiv2-dev? [05:24] crimsun: I didn't even know that was the case. [05:24] TheMuso: neither of your debdiffs in #60856 seem to touch the .so [05:25] (in debian/rules, that is) [05:25] hmm ok I'll have another look. === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:27] imbrandon: ping [05:28] http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3142 | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3148 | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3147 [05:28] ^^ readu for revu [05:29] TheMuso: sorry, that's in reference to #60858 [05:29] any fixes i will hit in the morning...time to die, as the sun has wrecked me today! [05:29] thanks [05:29] crimsun: Yeah I worked that out. === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:50] hello all--the problem with the live cd comes up when its in the chroot and packages have unmet dependencies because of the ubuntu-desktop package...the metapackage definately has to be changed so that dependency upon office is not required [05:51] open office gimp evoluton gaim and ekiga take up nearly 300 mb on the cd [05:53] Burgundavia: There? [05:53] bddebian: yep [05:54] Burgundavia: Supposed to be in #u-classroom right? [05:54] yep [05:57] Hmm, not many there :-) [05:58] going to be reannouning in #ubuntu and #ubuntu+1 [05:58] Oh joy :-) === jorge_ [n=jorge@64.62.190.212] has joined #ubuntu-motu === glick [n=myob@69-169-117-51.lmdaca.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:21] hello [06:21] excuse me ive been reading the ubuntu packaging guide (which is excellent btw), and i have a question about this pbuilder app [06:22] firstly, is that the standard way to build packges for a release? and if i want to remove the pbuilder enviornment, i simply delete the directory in /var/cache? [06:22] glick: That's a way, but if you don't want to use pbuilder anymore you should also purge it from your system. [06:23] glick: I don't know about Ubuntu, but it seems to me that pbuilder isn't used as the primary build daemon for neither Debian nor Ubuntu. There are specialized buildd's for that. [06:23] is pbuilder the de-facto way to build packages? [06:23] glick: It's one of the cleanest to make sure you aren't missing deps [06:24] glick: I agree with bddebian, it's the best available way to build a package. [06:24] so if i wanna build ubuntu packages i should use the pbuilder method? [06:25] glick: It's not the only way but probably one of, if not, THE most widely used/supported [06:26] ok kooo [06:30] do you put your pbuilder enviornment in a chroot envriornment? [06:31] I don't, and I don't think it's necessary. You should keep your pbuilder chroot (or "basetgz") updated. [06:32] bureado, but what if your runnin LTS but wanna build for edgy? [06:33] glick: You can set up a pbuilder environment for any distro [06:33] oh ok [06:33] for some reason i thought you needed chroot env for that so it doesnt mess with your install [06:34] glick: As I understand it, pbuilder actually utilizes chroot but I don't know the internals [06:34] No. It keeps .tgz files under /var/cache. When you use pbuilder, it extracts the basetgz (you can have several .tgzs for any distro and you can specify them with --basetgz or through conffiles) and chroots into it. [06:35] coolness [06:35] bureado: Aye but aren't the .tgz files extracted in a chroot or some such? [06:37] bddebian: Err, it would have to extract the files in order to have something to chroot into [06:37] bddebian: Under /var/cache/pbuilder/build/, and then chroots in that directory. It builds the package and then moves it to /var/cache/pbuilder/result/. [06:38] Amaranth: Well that is more what I meant yes. But hey, you know I'm kinda dumb :-) [06:38] hehe === Adri2000 [n=Adri2000@unaffiliated/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-motu === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-74.ip.rixbredband.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:47] Burgundavia: pong :-) [06:47] Laser_away: just a sec, in classroom [06:47] but you are setup for pbuilder on my machine [06:48] ah, cool [06:52] Burgundavia: can you send me an emil with the details, when you have a chance? [06:52] Laser_away: will do === Adri2000 [n=Adri2000@unaffiliated/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:55] Laser_away: send [06:55] sent, rather [06:55] Laser_away: can you test now? [06:56] yes, just a sec [06:59] connection refused [06:59] bloody router, it does that [07:00] Laser_away: try port 9000 [07:00] also refused [07:00] :-) [07:01] Laser_away: try now === [jb] [n=juliano@c-71-204-5-104.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:03] Laser_away: ? [07:05] trying [07:07] hmm, well 9000 was still refused, 2222 just sits there [07:08] ok, try now [07:10] same === Adri2000 [n=Adri2000@unaffiliated/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Burgundavia swears at this router [07:12] ok, if port 6522 work and not this? [07:12] ok, try port 9000 again [07:15] 6522 and 9000 are connection refused [07:16] sure you don't have some hosts.allow/hosts.deny thing going on? [07:16] 6522 will be, as I don't have gobby up [07:16] ok, try 9000 now [07:16] testing a theory [07:16] nada [07:16] :/ [07:17] can you try username "corey" ? [07:17] at least you computer seems pretty secure :-) [07:17] heh [07:17] I already have 22 open, but that goes to my server [07:17] still refused [07:17] Burgundavia: Hey, I thought you had UWN work to do?? ;-P [07:17] bddebian: I do [07:18] try port 22 [07:18] username corey === Adri2000 [n=Adri2000@unaffiliated/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:18] hmm, well it got me to login [07:19] but didn't like the password [07:19] yes, because my password is not so easy to guess [07:19] well, I used my username [07:20] I am truly baffled, because I can create redirects that work on any port, but it seems I cannot create a duplicate redirect for the same protocol as one I have already used [07:20] I almost wonder if the firmware has a secret setting to silently drop connections [07:20] oh, wait, I see the issue [07:21] ok, try now [07:21] I am an idito [07:22] port 9000 [07:23] still refused === Fujitsu pats his Ubuntu-running router. [07:23] Corey, if you have stuff to do don't let me take you away from it [07:23] no, it is ok [07:23] ok, this UI sucks [07:24] ok, one last try and then I am giving up [07:29] Laser_away: success? [07:31] sorry dude, nothing on 9000 [07:35] bugger, I will play tomorrow [07:37] np, maybe by the start of edgy+1 I'll have a decent pbuilder machine ;-) [07:41] moins all [07:42] Laser_away: Well just send me a nice amd64 machine and I'll make sure I have a pbuilder on there for ya.. ;-) [07:43] morning imbrandon [07:43] I had a question for you [07:43] sure [07:43] nice souyuz piece btw [07:43] soyuz* [07:45] soyuz piece? [07:46] i thought you wrote that last one for the fridge [07:46] nope [07:46] might have been sladen [07:47] anyhow , rember what it was Burgundavia ? [07:47] heh [07:47] that is the issue, I don't remember [07:47] right, amarok [07:47] Boy, even Laser_away doesn't talk to me anymore :'-( [07:47] lol bddebian [07:47] Added support for edgy ( and future TBA releases ) to install-mp3 <-- what is this? [07:48] Burgundavia, ahh the install-mp3 script that Riddell made for amarok, it only worked ( or assumed ) that you were on dapper [07:48] imbrandon: does it install mp3 support? [07:48] so i changed it to use lsbrelease -sc [07:49] Burgundavia, yes , the first time you try to play a mp3 in amarok, if you dont have mp3 support it ask if you want to install it and [07:49] then uppon yes it does [07:49] ok [07:49] bddebian: oh whatever [07:49] bddebian: you know I love you ;-) [07:49] bddebian: we all love you === Burgundavia hugs bddebian === imbrandon hugs bddebian too [07:50] group hug ;) [07:50] hmm, you guys are busy [07:50] UWN edgy section is going to be big this week [07:50] good [07:50] hehe Burgundavia [07:51] Bah [07:51] Burgundavia, if your wondering about that script for the UWN i can grab some screen shots, i have a fresh install on my laptop === bddebian hugs Laser_away, Burgundavia, and imbrandon === rmjb [n=richard@cuscon24523.tstt.net.tt] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:51] no, just wanted to mention it [07:51] ok sounds good ;) [07:51] Now I have to take my antique arse to bed. Gnight folks === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:52] gnight bddebian [07:52] hello robitaille [07:52] Hi imbrandon [07:53] hey robitaille [07:53] Hi Burgundavia [07:54] sigh...some of the Knot-3 iso over bigger than 700mb... of course I discovered that after downloading one... [07:54] there goes my plan to upgrade the laptop tonight :) [07:54] robitaille, heh what ones? try a dvd should work if you "abosolutely" need it [07:54] I don't have a DVD writer :) [07:54] ouch [07:54] edgy-alternate-i386.iso is 702mb [07:55] hrm 702 ( upto 704 i /think/ ) should fit [07:55] specialy if your burner supports overburn but i think even if not [07:55] it doesn't on my writer from what I can see with Nautilus [07:56] i dunno the onyl one i tested was the kubuntu desktop ppc [07:56] anyway, I should probably test with the live installer instead of the alternate version === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:56] infact i guess i should do a laptop report on it since everything seems to work this go round, even wireless [07:57] well OOTB i should say, i always got the stuff working hehe [08:02] lilo died? [08:02] yes [08:02] :( [08:03] early today [08:04] Yeah, :( [08:04] #freenode-announce is going crazy. [08:07] Sorry for the OT, is there anyone using ORCA here? === imbrandon just hopes freenode will stay stable ( politicaly ) but there is a freenode board , so all /should/ be ok === adamant1988 [n=adam@doc-24-206-202-2.el.wv.cebridge.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:19] imbrandon, it should. === mayday_jay [n=mayday_j@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:19] yea , it should, just hopeing [08:19] Yeah... [08:19] Hi, is the motu school still operational? [08:20] rmjb: yes [08:20] rmjb, yessir [08:20] the topic in the channel says next class is Aug 11 === mayday_jay [n=mayday_j@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:21] rmjb, nobody changed the topic after the lat one. [08:21] *last [08:21] rmjb, topic is a bit off, probably needs fixed [08:21] Fujitsu: this is the package list of what naim wants to remove. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23717 [08:21] Ah. [08:21] Not related.. [08:21] Note that it says `are unused and will be removed' [08:22] it doesn't seem like they're not used... particularly since I just install wlassistant [08:22] It just means that they are no longer depended on by anything, so it's removing them automatically... Nothing to do with the installation. [08:22] autoremove shouldent be on by default though should it [08:22] adamant1988, it means they were just installed as dependencies of something else, and said something else has been removed. [08:23] imbrandon, in aptitude it is. [08:23] adamant1988, do you have kubuntu-desktop likely [08:23] imbrandon: yes, I just installed kubuntu-desktop [08:23] ahh i never use aptitittude, it tries to be too smart [08:23] imbrandon, agreed. [08:23] yeah, I used aptitude so I could remove any packages it installs with kubuntu-desktop [08:24] oh... I see what it's trying to do... kubuntu-desktop was removed and it wants to remove all the packages I installed with it? [08:24] well that be one of the side effects ;) yup [08:24] exactly === adamant1988 facepalms [08:24] so... how do I fix this?> [08:24] here be dragons ( of aptitude ), use apt-get ;) === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:25] Evening, Gloubiboulga.. [08:25] so just switch to apt-get and it won't be a problem? [08:25] adamant1988, nope shouldent be [08:25] adamant1988, yep. [08:25] well ... [08:25] that sucks though.. I really liked aptitude... [08:25] morning Fujitsu (8:25 am here) [08:25] ok, sorry for wasting your time :) [08:25] adamant1988, or reinstall kubuntu-desktop [08:25] adamant1988: you should be able to get aptitude to do what you want too [08:25] you want to keep some apps that were installed with aptitude? [08:26] adamant1988: it just might take a little convincing ;-) [08:26] hrmmm let me try reinstalling kubuntu desktop [08:26] although I'm not sure why it's removed anyway [08:26] yea aptitude tries to be smarter than you but you can coax it [08:26] I didn't do it. [08:26] if you try hard enough [08:27] it is nice for the *-desktops [08:27] but I seem to get it confused (or maybe I get confused) fairly quickly :-) [08:27] Laser_away, not for people like me that remove oo.o on instalation in favor of koffice and thus remove the *-desktop ;) [08:27] adamant1988: aptitude marks dependency packages as Auto installed. So if you want to keep a packages that's marked as Auto, issue an aptitude install command for it and that should remove the Auto nature of it [08:28] imbrandon, that's what Edgy's new seeds are for. [08:28] Fujitsu, i know [08:28] imbrandon: I just install koffice too [08:28] which puts it on par with apt-get [08:28] I'll just apt-get naim [08:29] they all use dpkg in the backend so you can switch apt-get, aptitude and synaptic as much as you want [08:29] well, I've found that it isn't quite that easy === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:29] I honestly don't know what's the state of mixing frontends in Ubuntu, but in Debian it ends in a total catastrophe. [08:30] rmjb: yeah.. I was using aptitude because I wanted to not have to worry about removing needed depencies. [08:30] Synaptic actually seems to be apt-get, so mixing those seems to be OK. But when aptitude jumps in, it gets difficult. [08:30] but if you use apt-get or synaptic aptitude wont know if those packages are Auto installed so it wont auto-remove them, if that's your intention the no probs [08:30] yeah... I'm just going to use apt-get from now one [08:30] on* [08:31] rmjb, and apt-get has a new sugested remove too like aptitude but dopes automativcly do it === Yagisan cries. my firewall and ddns client dies upgrading to edgy. Nasty nasty dash :( [08:31] adamant1988: Any decission will be OK as long as you stick uniformly with it. [08:31] Yagisan, file a bug! [08:31] that new feature is in the apt-get in the repos? [08:31] no, nasty nasty bashisms. [08:31] Dash is GOOD! [08:32] Nasty POSIX-noncompliant scripts. === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:32] Fujitsu, I will [08:32] crimsun, it appears that any file that used source foo dies [08:35] sorry, I'm not following? [08:35] oh, 'source'. Right. [08:35] '. foo' instead [08:38] ok. it's bug #60877 somone that is brighter then I at shell scripts might fix it. [08:38] Malone bug 60877 in ddns3-client "ddns3 client does not start if /bin/sh is linked to dash" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/60877 === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-120-239-162.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:51] Yagisan: I'm happy to look at it, but I have no details for ddns [08:52] StevenK, you can set up a free account here -> http://www.ddns.nu/index.php [08:52] StevenK, it was stupid of me to not list that [08:54] StevenK, bug report updated [08:57] Yagisan: Right. I have a patch for that particular error [08:58] StevenK, thanks mate. [08:59] Yagisan: The rest of the script looks fine, apart from usage of ``, as opposed to $(), but that's just aesthetics. === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:59] Yagisan: I can upload a fix, or I can throw the patch at the bug report. === FliesLikeALap [n=Ryan@cpe-72-224-116-131.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:01] StevenK, please upload, I'm not a motu === dotwaffle [n=waffle@pdpc/supporter/student/dotwaffle] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:04] hey all (if awake) looking to do an article for the UWN on the REVU day, anyone got anything to add? === philwyett [n=philip@80-195-142-67.cable.ubr02.wiga.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:08] dotwaffle, something about lilo this week would be nice [09:08] if Burgundavia hasent done it already [09:09] imbrandon: Freenode's lilo as opposed to Linux Loader, I presume [09:09] imbrandon: I will add something [09:09] He's on the job, quick devil :) [09:09] ;) === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-motu === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:17] Yagisan: Uploaded. === bureado [n=bureado@201.248.236.180] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Later"] [09:18] StevenK, thanks :) [09:23] hrm is there a kde ooby client ? [09:23] imbrandon, no. === Klaidas [n=klaidas@unaffiliated/klaidas] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:24] s/ooby/obby [09:24] but yea that sucks === Plug [n=crb@203.167.190.117] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:34] it would be nice in kopete :) [09:34] i wonder tho if jabber is more the way forward for colaberative stuff [09:36] Fujitsu: any reason why you're stealing the merges listed as me? [09:36] Fujitsu: enigma's a sync - it's been filed for a while. clearly crimsun didnt see it. [09:38] Hobbsee, is it? I didn't think dh_iconcache was included in any of those includes... [09:38] Oops.. [09:38] oh wait [09:38] yeah, you might be right [09:38] maybe i'im confused [09:38] I don't see why it would be there. === Fujitsu checks. === Hobbsee thought she left it there, requesting a sync [09:38] is it in gnome.mk or kde.mk? [09:38] oh well [09:38] Er, enigma includes neither. [09:38] It is in kde.mk, though. [09:39] Fujitsu: ah right [09:39] yes, of course it's in kde.mk :P [09:39] i changed that :D [09:40] I thought so. [09:40] anyway, as a general note, you dont need to touch my merges at this poitn in the release cycle - most either dont build, upstream has updated with my changes, etc [09:40] or they're waiting on sync.s [09:40] I also see a substantial lack of sync request for Enigma... [09:40] or at least poke me first :P [09:40] OK. [09:40] yeah, i noticed that... [09:41] i thought i requested it [09:41] or did i merge it already? [09:41] !info enigma edgy [09:41] enigma: A game where you control a marble with the mouse. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.92.3-3ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 612 kB, installed size 1748 kB [09:41] weird [09:41] dont remember what happened there [09:41] You last did it on 2006/07/10. [09:42] yeah, ages ago [09:42] i thought i touched it since then [09:42] weird. [09:43] OK, I shall cease going near your merges from now on :) [09:43] of course, when the merges first come.... :P [09:43] well, poke me at least [09:44] OK, I shall... [09:44] Hm. [09:44] I've got nothing to do for the first 3 months of Edgy+1's development... No school... [09:45] hehe [09:45] get merging :) [09:45] once they've built the toolchain [09:46] I plan to. [09:46] Fujitsu: that's where a pbuilder for edgy+1 becomes your friend [09:46] Hobbsee, yeah... [09:46] which method of creating packages is most used? debhelper, or CDBS? [09:46] glick: debhelper. both are fairly common [09:46] Though I'll upgrade my laptop earlier for Edgy+1, because it won't be so used for production work. [09:46] ok [09:47] dratz, i feel so limited with only one machine :( [09:47] i only have a humble little laptop [09:48] glick, as do I. [09:48] But I can afford to have it broken if I don't need it for school, and I like fixing broken systems :P [09:49] glick: i only have 1 machine here too. [09:49] glick: i can have 3 systems on 40GB though [09:49] just tripple boot :P [09:49] Fujitsu: separate partition. [09:49] my frien on the other coast is supposed to hook my old p3 up that i left over there and connect it to the net [09:50] Fujitsu: but dont even bother with that until they fix apt, etc [09:50] heh [09:50] Fujitsu: dont even bother until they get the first milestone out or so - there's no point [09:50] Fujitsu: everything's getting merged like crazy [09:50] so it mostly doesnt work [09:50] Hobbsee, I upgraded just before Knot 1. [09:50] Hobbsee, noted. [09:50] :P [09:50] yeah, same here. [09:50] (I was on Dapper around Flight 1) [09:50] well id like to be able to do test setups of things like squid and dns n stuff [09:51] go for it [09:51] it mostly works now [09:51] i think [09:51] vmware / qemu ;) [09:51] Shouldn't Edgy+1's name be released shortly? [09:52] Fujitsu, yea semi soon [09:52] i'm wondering when though [09:52] seeing as the conference will be in under 2 months [09:52] Yeah... [09:52] any day now if i was a betting man, last time it was about a month before release [09:52] It was about a month before Dapper that Edgy was named. [09:52] Damn. [09:52] I got in too late. [09:52] lol [09:53] we're just over a month out now soo it shouldent be long [09:54] Yeah. [09:54] daft dango's ( arent those those AU dog's ? ) hehe [09:54] dingos? [09:54] you cant spell, imbrandon :P [09:54] yea htat was it [09:54] i dident know what they were called ;) [09:54] and your alphabet is a bit out of order [09:54] And a dingo is not a dog. [09:55] they are just dog's here [09:55] Actually, the name was released a month before it /should/ have been released. [09:55] ahh thats right we're going in order [09:55] hrm F [09:55] Dangos! Yay! [09:55] StevenK, they arent ? [09:56] imbrandon, nope. [09:56] They are distinct, and they eat babies, whereas dogs don't so much :P [09:56] in the same way wolfs aren't dogs? [09:56] seaLne: Correct. [09:56] wolfs are dogs [09:56] a dingo is a "dog", but a marsupial variety. Not what you'd associate with a domesticated dog, but still [09:56] imbrandon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dingo [09:56] wolf is just a wild dog [09:56] heh [09:56] imbrandon: A wolf is not a wild dog. [09:57] it is still a member of the canine family [09:57] imbrandon: That's like calling an American a person === Goshawk [n=vincenzo@d83-176-7-241.cust.tele2.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:57] StevenK, if they can mate they are of the same species === StevenK runs and hides [09:57] hahaha [09:57] wolf and domesticated dogs can intermix so they are one in the same [09:57] species [09:59] hahaha Americans != people /me will rember that [10:00] all you ever wanted to know about "dogs" -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canis [10:00] StevenK, wow wikipeda says they are wild dogs heh [10:00] and no i dident edit it [10:00] quote : The dingo (plural dingos or dingoes), Canis lupus dingo, is a type of wild dog, probably descended from the Indian Wolf [10:01] heh looks like a dingo is closer to a wolf than a domestic dog anyhow === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-120-239-162.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:07] oh, I'm in wikipedia o_O I feel so special [10:08] is the debian package manual more comprehensice then the one that comes with ubuntu? [10:14] glick, the debian one still applies for the most part then read the ubuntu one for specifics [10:14] to ubuntu [10:15] so mainly the only difference is versioning schemes? [10:15] there are a few other things but that is the main one noticed first [10:15] mostly where files are put too when installed is a bit diffrent at times [10:15] brb === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:50] Hrm lynx in ubuntu is version 2.8.5-2ubuntu2, which is higher than the 2.8.5-2sarge2.1 in unstable (ubuntu version was based of -2sarge1) i guess the version was modified incorrectly what would be the appropriate fix? [10:50] fake sync with ubuntu3 ? [10:53] Lathiat, yes. [10:54] I guess the right thing would have been to use -2sarge1ubuntu1 in the first place? [10:56] Lathiat, if it was based on that. === Lathiat nods [10:56] it was [10:56] and later -2sarge2 was added [10:56] i guess the sarge thing could have been added later in debian tho === mr_pouit [n=mr_pouit@81.56.214.84] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:56] in which case youd have the same problem [10:56] You sure there wasn't a -2ubuntu1 first? [10:57] no the -2ubuntu1 changelog has -2sarge1 in the changelog history [10:57] hm. [10:57] So it should have been -2sarge1ubuntu1, probably. [10:57] +-- 6 lines: lynx (2.8.5-2ubuntu2) edgy; urgency=low -- Martin Pitt ---------- [10:57] +-- 6 lines: lynx (2.8.5-2ubuntu1) dapper; urgency=low -- Martin Pitt -------- === cassidy [n=cassidy@138.82-245-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:57] +-- 9 lines: lynx (2.8.5-2sarge1) stable-security; urgency=high -- Martin Schul [10:57] right === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:59] I trust pitti, though... There must have been a reason for it. [10:59] i would assume a simple mistake *shrug* === selinuxium [n=selinium@82-34-235-84.cable.ubr02.sout.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:04] Also does it make sense to keep the package changelog history [11:04] even fi the versions dont order properly? [11:04] one was a rebuidl and the others a change thats now in debian (simple build-dep) does it make more sense just to strip them out? === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mr_pouit [n=mr_pouit@lns-bzn-49f-81-56-214-84.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fredix [n=fredix@86.67.45.107] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pef [n=loic@ubuntu/member/pef] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lfittl [n=lfittl@85-125-229-117.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pef_aw [n=loic@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-130-224.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thesaltydog [n=fmarzocc@ubuntu/member/thesaltydog] has joined #ubuntu-motu === geser [n=michael@dialin104181.justdsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === BazziR [n=Bastian@p50802AB4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === philwyett [n=philip@80-195-142-67.cable.ubr02.wiga.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pef_aw [n=loic@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-130-224.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jinty [n=jinty@195.Red-83-58-178.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Arbiter [n=arbiter@unaffiliated/arbiter] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mr_pouit [n=mr_pouit@81.56.214.84] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ryanakca_ [n=ryan@unaffiliated/ryanakca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === philwyett [n=philip@80-195-142-67.cable.ubr02.wiga.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ryanakca [n=ryan@unaffiliated/ryanakca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herzi [n=herzi@pD9E2A03E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ryanakca [n=ryan@unaffiliated/ryanakca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herzi [n=herzi@pD9E2A03E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:32] hi === Gervystar [n=alessand@host77-173-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:33] can someone run revu-report on this package http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3153 please? === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === neutrinomass [n=pandis@ppp5-98.adsl.forthnet.gr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === kmon_ [n=javier@217.Red-80-25-51.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:51] hi [01:52] I would like to request a package that's in debian but not in ubuntu: bonfire, a gtk gstreamer0.10 burning tool [01:52] how can I do the request? === Hobbsee notes that that's been talked about for a while. [01:54] Hobbsee: that package? [01:54] kmon_: check if the debian package builds in ubuntu edgy, if it does, request a sync [01:54] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/bonfire/+bug/57199 [01:54] Malone bug 57199 in bonfire "Add bonfire/ brasero" [Unknown,Fix released] [01:54] kmon_: what's the source package name for bonfire ? [01:55] I think it's bonfire [01:55] here's the debian package page: [01:55] http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=bonfire&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all [01:56] ok, it's one of the hundreds of packages from Debian which were never synced to ubuntu [01:57] bonfire is now known as brasero: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3133 [01:57] I gess debian is too big ;) [01:57] Adri2000: yes, I've just noticed === Hobbsee looks at the revu version === xopher [n=xopher@a80-186-122-109.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:01] Adri2000: you made that package? === amachu [n=amachu@125.22.64.21] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:02] Hobbsee: no, mr_pouit made it [02:02] Adri2000: ahh okay [02:02] kmon_: bonfire will get in 26th [02:02] ivoks: thanks [02:02] ivoks: you're adding it? hi, by the way [02:03] Hobbsee: hi [02:03] Hobbsee: let's say i know the author :) [02:03] ivoks: ahhh :) [02:03] we are waiting for a new release that will make it easier to maintain packages [02:03] ivoks: do i want to dare ask about firefox? [02:03] firefox? [02:03] oh grrr. dont worry, i'm getting you mixed up. [02:03] :) [02:03] ivoks: you're the printing guy, right? === Hobbsee confused you with iwj for a second there [02:04] hehe [02:04] well, that's one of the things you do, anyway :P i think [02:04] you can say that, a printing guy :) [02:04] what about firefox? [02:05] was wondering when 1.5.0.7 would make it into ubuntu [02:05] am i the only one with broken navigation toolbar? :) [02:05] !info firefox [02:05] firefox: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.5-0ubuntu6.06.1 (dapper), package size 7730 kB, installed size 22912 kB [02:05] ivoks: i dont use that broken thing called gnome. *g* [02:05] :p [02:05] :) [02:06] oh please. at least gnome actually has a ui design, rather than just using small children to throw paint at the screen and adding the code to make it work [02:06] Hobbsee: haha! [02:06] Hobbsee: good one [02:06] thom, hahaha. True. [02:06] tseng: :P [02:06] thom: :) [02:06] let's start a flamewar :) [02:06] Muine is a Gnome app [02:06] enough said [02:06] i started amarok the other day, whilst searching for a decent media player. holy crap. could there be any more options? [02:06] thom: i'm surprised that they're still allowing printing to happen in gnome at all - seeing as a button there to configure which printer to use was seen to be too complex. [02:07] haha === Fujitsu hugs old-ubotu's !startaneditorwar factoid. [02:07] ivoks: seems like it :P [02:07] hahaha don't get me start on KDE and printing :) [02:07] thom: if you can't cope with amarok, it means you are unable to make decisions [02:07] Hobbsee: thats a good troll, but entirely untrue [02:07] ivoks: we've decreased functionality, to be more like gnome :P [02:07] tseng: awww...i was told it was [02:07] Hobbsee: to 0? :) [02:07] tseng: jdong whinged about it [02:08] ivoks: no, it does have functionality. some. [02:08] azeem, no, it's a matter on how the persons mind works. [02:08] Citing printing.kde.org 'Latest news: Februar 2002." :) [02:08] Hobbsee: no comment, read my mind [02:08] thom, if amarok doesn't work out for you, rhythmbox might [02:08] tseng: right [02:08] anyway... === tseng hugs Hobbsee [02:08] take care guys === Hobbsee hugs tseng in return :) [02:09] bye ivoks [02:09] bye ivoks! [02:09] hug time === Hobbsee hugs ivoks [02:09] yay [02:09] yay, hugs :) === Fujitsu hugs the channel. [02:09] heh. [02:09] DarkMageZ: rb doesn't even run currently, but i've no idea why === Fujitsu hugs Channel. [02:09] i have exams next week :/ [02:09] thom: i blame dbus [02:09] tseng: seems reasonable [02:09] thom: covers most everything === the Channel hugs Fujitsu back === ivoks hugs... all of you! [02:09] thom, are you on edgy? [02:09] :) [02:10] thom: mine works btw [02:10] not that I would want to use this [02:10] DarkMageZ: yes [02:10] that would have worked so much better if i'd gotten the command right. [02:10] Hobbsee, yeah. [02:10] oh well, last-exit does what i need [02:10] woo last-exit [02:11] quod libet wfm. [02:11] hi Tollef [02:12] hello tseng [02:12] hey Mithrandir [02:12] Mithrandir: ah, i'd forgotten about q-l === Hobbsee stomps on Mithrandir's feet === Mithrandir levitates out of the room and tickles Hobbsee as he passes by === kmon_ likes banshee [02:12] hehe [02:12] kmon_: yay banshee === Hobbsee tickles Mithrandir back, and pokes his ribs hard. i still win. [02:13] Mithrandir: just you wait for me to get to a developer summit :P [02:13] tseng: you just have an autofilter for anything mono and yay it, right? ;-) [02:13] thom: hm not really [02:13] scary thought [02:13] thom: but there are alot of great gtk# apps so far [02:14] banshee, muine, last-exit happen to be my favorites regardless of platform bias [02:14] been using muine for years [02:14] when it was basically the only useful mono app [02:15] tseng: i was just trolling gently :-) [02:15] the most amazing part about banshee is ipod support [02:15] in two directions [02:15] lifeless: did you see that sun open sourced that research smalltalk vm the other day, btw? [02:16] does anyone else even do that well? [02:16] strongtalk yeah [02:16] Hobbsee: ask simira and she'll do the Mithrandir poking for you! [02:16] commercial smalltalk - vw specifically is still faster [02:16] sladen: could be a plan [02:16] sladen: she loves me too much for that. :-P [02:16] poking-by-proxy [02:16] self which is suns older smalltalk was a predecessor of strongtalk, by the same folk [02:17] apparently lots of the techniques in strongtalk are in use today, buts its still rocking fast [02:17] lifeless: no doubt, but it's an interesting step esp given sun's current interest in ruby [02:17] Mithrandir: yeah, I fear she might actually enjoy it :) [02:17] (and note that java hotspot is what strongtalk became) [02:18] yeah [02:18] thom: well they open sourced everything but the vm some years back, this was planned and known to be coming === kmon_ leaves [02:36] bye === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jrib [n=jasonr@c-71-232-45-169.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === kmon_ [n=javier@217.Red-80-25-51.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === Tonio__ [n=tonio@171.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Adri2000 [n=Adri2000@unaffiliated/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-motu === plugwash [i=plugwash@p10link.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:04] Heya gang === Gervystar [n=alessand@2001:1418:1ce:0:20e:a6ff:fea4:4ab5] has joined #ubuntu-motu === kagou [n=kagou@84.5.173.178] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === philwyett [n=philip@80-195-142-67.cable.ubr02.wiga.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freshtonic [n=chatzill@203-158-39-178.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:49] KhanReape1: ping === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-motu === imbrandon [n=imbrando@CPE-72-135-8-5.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:16] KhanReape1: see your inbox === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thrice` [n=Andrew@24-236-177-228.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:19] can packages be requested to appear in universe if they do not currently exist in the repositories ? [04:20] does it exist in Debian? [04:22] it doesn't appear to, no [04:22] then someone will need to do the packaging and post it to REVU [04:24] i was going to package it myself, but .deb creation still confuses me :) [04:25] you are certainly welcome to ask questions here as you go [04:26] thanks. I'm just used to bash buildscripts, I suppose === philwyett [n=philip@80-195-142-67.cable.ubr02.wiga.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === philwyett [n=philip@80-195-142-67.cable.ubr02.wiga.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nixternal [n=nixterna@71.194.189.213] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Arbiter [n=arbiter@unaffiliated/arbiter] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu === blaster8 [n=blaster8@dsl-217-155-56-85.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === keescook [n=kees@mylar.outflux.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Adri2000 [n=Adri2000@unaffiliated/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-motu === philwyett [n=philip@80-195-142-67.cable.ubr02.wiga.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@zg07-077.dialin.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jdong_ [n=jdong@d192-24-235-141.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Adri2000 [n=Adri2000@unaffiliated/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:12] who has not yet reviewed a package on REVU today ? :-) === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:13] Adri2000: i would be glad to help you, but i can't for next two weeks (exams) :/ === imbrandon [n=imbrando@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:14] good luck for your exams ;) [06:14] thanks === Goshawk [n=vincenzo@d83-176-7-241.cust.tele2.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Pazzo [n=thomas@host130-250-static.72-81-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Zdra [n=zdra@172.180-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-66-110.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Sp4rKy [n=max@ubuntu/member/sp4rky] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey_ [n=herman@83.137.151.3] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sladen_ [i=paul@starsky.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _jason [n=jasonr@c-71-232-45-169.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === kozz_ [i=kozz@h18n2fls31o834.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cr3_ [n=marc@montreal.canonical.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thrice` [n=Andrew@24-236-177-228.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu === johnmorr [n=jwm@boost.horde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Sp4rKy [n=max@ubuntu/member/sp4rky] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:24] hello all---can anyone give me a clue as to how I would go from ubuntu-meta to ubuntu-desktop...I know I have to compile it some way but it doesnt contain a config or a make file so how would i do it? [07:25] I have removed open-office from the list of packages that it includes and want to transform it to the ubuntu-desktop === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pirast [n=martin@p508B2D21.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu === geser [n=michael@leary.ping.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gervystar [n=alessand@2001:1418:1ce:0:20e:a6ff:fea4:4ab5] has joined #ubuntu-motu === KhanReape1 [n=matttp@user-0c93fql.cable.mindspring.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === theCore [n=alex@modemcable106.200-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === welshbyte [n=welshbyt@cpc3-cwma2-0-0-cust276.swan.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:34] hikenboot: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot [08:34] do that in the root directory of the package [08:34] the actual makefile your looking for is debian/rules === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === blaster8 [n=blaster8@dsl-217-155-56-85.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nictuku [n=yves@ubuntu/member/nictuku] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio___ [n=tonio@171.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lionelp_ [n=lionel@ip-128.net-82-216-65.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pirast [n=martin@p508B2D21.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === alex38 [n=alex@moule.caoua.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:15] scotth thanks a bunch! === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fredix [n=fredix@86.67.45.107] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Adri2000 [n=Adri2000@unaffiliated/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-250-59-127.bredband.comhem.se] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === yosch [n=yosch@lns-bzn-30-82-253-187-149.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === yosch_ [n=yosch@lns-bzn-30-82-253-187-149.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@adsl-221-126-175.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu === xopher [n=xopher@a80-186-122-109.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === Tonio___ [n=tonio@171.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Adri2000_ [n=Adri2000@unaffiliated/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-motu === carthik [n=carthik@ubuntu/member/pdpc.carthik] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:47] imbrandon: ping === blaster8 [n=blaster8@dsl-217-155-56-85.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === blaster8 [n=blaster8@dsl-217-155-56-85.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === surimi [n=surimi--@unaffiliated/surimi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:01] hello === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:03] good evening === philwyett [n=philip@80-195-142-67.cable.ubr02.wiga.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:04] I have install the only 200Mo from KDE for compiling this tar http://de.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=39052 and spend many hours to understand [10:05] it's hard to be a linux user and having free application like in Windows and Mac like http://www.linotype.com/fontexplorerX === lbm [n=lbm@82.192.173.92] has joined #ubuntu-motu === yosch [n=yosch@lns-bzn-30-82-253-187-149.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:16] surimi: "200Mo" ? [10:17] Riddell: ^^does that make more sense to you? [10:18] sladen_, yes, all the package I had to install :\ === wastrel [n=wastrel@dsl254-127-242.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === givre [n=flo@APuteaux-152-1-63-246.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fowlduck [n=nate@68-190-90-101.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === blaster8 [n=blaster8@dsl-217-155-56-85.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:25] the Scibus chan is pro KDE and Suse. So I have install too Konqueror and many paquets ^@^ and in fact I haven't the same than the few Mo for Linotype FontExplorer X. It's a pitty. Inkscape and Scibus are good applications. But where is the necessary font manager killer application ? [10:26] I have try this one too http://www.gesindel.de/page_whatis_english.php ^@^ [10:26] surimi: what's a "Mo" ? [10:26] hello [10:26] nice but... I have finalised the installation :D [10:27] surimi: excellent to know! [10:27] sladen_, sorry Mb en english [10:27] surimi: ah, gotcha, a MB [10:27] * haven't finalised === yosch [n=yosch@lns-bzn-30-82-253-187-149.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:28] too difficult for an standard human user ^^ [10:28] to [10:29] it's my today experiments : it's hard to be a linux user :p [10:29] if someone can give some help to these developpements it will be so nice. I think. [10:30] I have read in a french blog that Linux is the Mac killer :D [10:30] I would so, to. [10:31] surimi: no it's not hard as long as you use what is packaged in your distribution :) [10:31] Toadstool, true [10:31] Toadstool, but there is no deb for Kunbuntu too. [10:31] Ubugtu: bug 60831 [10:31] Malone bug 60831 in f-spot "f-spot crash" [Untriaged,Needs info] http://launchpad.net/bugs/60831 [10:32] surimi: I think you should ask for help in #ubuntu-fr or #ubuntu-fr-testing, this chan is more about packaging new stuff etc than for support ;) [10:32] and no Gnome projet ('aussi bien' in english) developped [10:33] Toadstool, I have made so, Sp4rky helped me a lot, Gloubiboulga too. [10:33] surimi: well, of course you can try to package the applications you're talking about :) [10:33] perhaps I'll have my deb this night \o/ [10:33] cool [10:34] but when we love, we don't count :) === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-091-127.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:39] and now ladies and gentlemen http://pastebin.wikistuce.info/?213 === redguy [n=mati@add104.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:41] with sudo :p === xhaker [n=xhaker@84.90.226.160] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:45] next step http://pastebin.wikistuce.info/?214 === Adri2000 [n=Adri2000@unaffiliated/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:47] in debian/control, Section: should it be gnome or universe/gnome ? [10:47] gnome [10:48] k [10:48] people.. help me identify this as a bug please [10:48] package wondershaper [10:48] last changelog states it was reviewed for dash compatibility [10:49] still.. there are "==" statements there [10:49] then it's a bug [10:50] what's dash compatibility? [10:50] dash is a POSIS strict shell [10:51] bash as some added functionality === Toadstool takes a look at wondershaper source package [10:51] dash is in some cases faster [10:51] Toadstool, the source in debian is correct [10:51] the versions are the same in debian and ubuntu edgy [10:52] i think [10:53] there is a patch here [10:53] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=292123 [10:53] Debian bug 292123 in wondershaper "wondershaper: Wondershaper does not work with dash" [Important,Open] [10:55] wow, looks like the package is no more maintained... [10:59] there is no ubuntu changes [10:59] the package was synched right? [10:59] the changelog stating the source was patched is what puzzles me [11:00] it clearly states dash-readyness [11:03] well, it's obviously not dash-ready with all those "==" [11:03] that bug report has the needed patch.. is that easy [11:04] but how about fixing it in debian and ubuntu? [11:04] just a new upstream release: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3160 could anybody have a look at it, and upload maybe? [11:04] maybe it's easier in debian and sync [11:05] still the bug report is older than 1 year [11:05] haha [11:09] Depends: python-central (>= 0.5), python < is it normal ? [11:09] python-central is in the B-D, but should it be also in the Depends ? [11:10] um, yes I think so === wastrel [n=wastrel@dsl254-127-242.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["l8r"] [11:10] okay [11:10] because I think python-central handles the byte-compiling of the python modules when the package is installed [11:11] it doesn't need to be explicit [11:12] ${python:Depends} will pull that in [11:12] really? [11:12] it knows to do python-central vs python-support? [11:12] crimsun: yeah but it needs to be explicit in the B-D ? [11:12] it needs to be an explicit b-d [11:12] +Package: tcng [11:12] +Architecture: any [11:12] +Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, iproute, cpp [11:12] tcng needs cpp ? [11:13] Toadstool, I have my killer application http://pastebin.wikistuce.info/?215 : there is no phto between this and this http://www.linotype.com/fontexplorerX :op [11:13] Adri2000: I'm answering your query regarding whether p-c needs to be an explicit Depends [11:13] * photo [11:14] Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5.0.37.2), python-central (>= 0.5), python-gtk2-dev [11:14] Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}, ${python:Depends} [11:14] only 300MB and a half day to understand (?) compilation \o/ [11:14] that's ok ? [11:14] phanatic: pbuilding [11:14] Toadstool: thanks [11:14] Adri2000: yes [11:15] uploaded :) [11:16] Adri2000: you'll also need the appropriate X{B,S}-Python-Version [11:16] XB-Python-Version: ${python:Versions} [11:16] XS-Python-Version: all === hikenboot [n=hikenboo@c-24-218-84-234.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:16] phanatic: uploaded [11:16] excellent === Adri2000 is now waiting for the tomorrow revu day :) [11:18] Toadstool: great, thank you very much :) [11:18] there's a REVU day tomorrow? [11:18] yes, show up :-) [11:18] phanatic: np ;) [11:19] yeah! [11:19] hopefully I'll even be able to do some reviewing [11:19] :) [11:19] hello all---back again I compiled ubuntu-desktop metapackage after removing openoffice from the list of files in the desktop-i386 file it compiled a.o.k...but I get a bunch of dependency errors trying to install...if the cd already contains ubuntu-live and ubuntu-base and ubuntu-desktop does it stand to reason that all the dependencies would aready be installed? [11:20] hikenboot: how are you installing it? dpkg ? [11:21] yes with dpkg -i [11:22] also i get errors trying to run the update script in the ubuntu-meta directory so i tried without running it [11:22] dpkg doesn't automatically resolve dependencies [11:22] how would you suggest i install it...its a .deb file? [11:22] but if you already had ubuntu-desktop and just removed openoffice I would expect much difference [11:23] apt-get -f install will grab the dependencies [11:23] but make sure to look at what it's wanting to do [11:23] it wants to install every bloody desktop app under the sun which i cant see it requiring [11:24] and you already had ubuntu-desktop installed? [11:24] yes its the ubuntu live cd [11:24] for 6.06 [11:25] hmm, kinda seems like your ubuntu-desktop got messed up somewhere in the proccess [11:26] i dont see how i compiled the new one from ubuntu-meta and the old one is from a fresh iso [11:27] which runs and installs to the virtual hard drive in vmware by the way === philwyett [n=philip@80-195-142-67.cable.ubr02.wiga.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:28] well, I'd compare the deps of both .debs [11:29] openoffice should be the only difference if all went well [11:29] perhaps i could try substituting the office suite for another package which takes considerably less space but does the same functions? === lakin [n=lakin@S01060013101832ce.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:33] i really cant see that openoffice being a requirement for ubuntu desktop to run [11:34] well, Ubuntu wants to have a functional desktop, many people see openoffice as a part of that [11:34] I know but what I mean is for the cd to work...just work I cant see it being necessary...can you? [11:35] its not like udev ..or some library package [11:35] oh, right [11:35] maybe the problem is it needs to have the updates run [11:35] if i run ./update I get a bunch of http errors [11:36] and your network works? [11:36] is working perfectly [11:36] hi [11:36] i can browse the internet i can use apt-get everythings a.o.k. [11:36] k [11:36] not to mention xchat tworks [11:37] so you are trying to make a new ubuntu-desktop from within a livecd, right? [11:37] no i am trying to make a new ubuntu-desktop from the system no chroot [11:37] should i be doing it from inside the cd [11:37] /usr/lib/debootstrap/functions: line 875: /home/hikenboot/ubuntu-meta/ubuntu-meta-0.43/debootstrap-dir/var/lib/apt/lists/debootstrap.invalid_dists_hoary_main_binary-ia64_Packages: No such file or directory [11:38] no, I'm just not sure what you're doing [11:38] seems like its missing the ia64 files or somthing === tortoise_ [n=tortoise@194.164.140.64] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lakin [n=lakin@S01060013101832ce.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-motu === blaster8 [n=blaster8@dsl-217-155-56-85.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === eddyp [n=eddy@86.123.24.228] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lynxorgd [n=lyucnxt@ACCB9D15.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:06] NEW GAME http://www.cyber-wars.com/?ref=100628 [12:06] http://www.cyber-wars.com/?ref=100628 [12:06] http://www.cyber-wars.com/?ref=100628 [12:06] http://www.cyber-wars.com/?ref=100628 === lynxorgd [n=lyucnxt@ACCB9D15.ipt.aol.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [12:06] does anybody have an idea how does Ubuntu's REVU works wrt the versions of packages which are uploaded? How do I get the most recent version [12:06] example: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2694 [12:07] where from do I get the most recent version?