[12:11] <scotth> Adri2000: have you tried installing your package in a chroot and see if it works?
[12:13] <KhanReape1> Can I get a reason for why my recently-submitted packages show up in rejected (ftp://revu.tauware.de/incoming/rejected)?
[12:13] <crimsun> geser: do you have confirmation from kamion and/or mdz that you can proceed with #58564?
[12:14] <Fujitsu> Thanks crimsun :)
[12:17] <geser> crimsun: I mailed mdz, he forwarded it to infinity and he mailed me "yes, this fix should do the trick.  I'll happily push this through the UNAPPROVED queue if it's uploaded."
[12:19] <crimsun> great, thanks.
[12:35] <scotth> quick question, sympa is way out of date in ubuntu and debian.  There is a new version in debian/experimental, but its broken.  After an initial look, I think the problem may be in the very way it was packaged.  Is it ok to diverge significantly from the way debian packages a package?
[12:36] <crimsun> perhaps not preferable but certainly acceptable in some cases
[12:37] <scotth> mk ty
[12:40] <crimsun> geser: uploaded, awaiting ACCEPT. Thanks for your work & persistence.
[01:44] <TheMuso> c
[01:44] <TheMuso> crimsun: thanks
[01:44] <crimsun> TheMuso: np. Btw, the clean target still had an aclocal invocation that I made failable.
[01:50] <crimsun> Fujitsu: have you checked the enigma source package in Debian experimental?
[01:50] <Fujitsu> crimsun, no I haven't. Should I?
[01:51] <crimsun> Fujitsu: it's up to you. I was unaware whether you had.
[01:58] <crimsun> Fujitsu: I'll go ahead and process 60827 using unstable
[01:58] <Fujitsu> OK, thanks.
[02:03] <bddebian> Heya gang
[02:04] <crimsun> wow, barry spam in N+1 channels.
[02:04] <Fujitsu> Hi bddebian.
[02:04] <Fujitsu> N+1?
[02:04] <crimsun> yeah, I lost count
[02:04] <Fujitsu> Oh, yes.
[02:05] <TheMuso> crimsun: Ok thanks.
[02:05] <bddebian> Hi Fujitsu
[02:05] <bddebian> crimsun: I "spam" every channel :-)
[02:05] <crimsun> :p
[02:07] <sladen> so /did/ ....
[02:08] <Fujitsu> sladen, ?
[02:08] <sladen> never mind
[02:22] <ryanakca> bddebian: ping
[02:22] <bddebian> ryanakca: yo
[02:22] <ryanakca> bddebian: could you please paste my course toonight at the midnight EST classroom?
[02:23] <ryanakca> bddebian: I'm sadly going to be fast asleep
[02:23] <bddebian> ryanakca: Paste your course?
[02:24] <ryanakca> bddebian: yes, it's all typed up, you just need to paste it in #ubuntu-classroom, gradually, and at the end answer a few basic Q's on apt..
[02:26] <bddebian> Uhm, I suppose
[02:26] <ryanakca> bddebian: http://rkavanagh.homelinux.org/~ryan/aptitudeclassroom
[02:27] <ryanakca> bddebian: thanks a million... now I just need to find a moderator
[02:27] <bddebian> A moderator?
[02:28] <ryanakca> yes, someone to set it to +m and take questions in /msg
[02:28] <bddebian> Ah
[02:32] <crimsun> Toadstool: (make sure you enumerate which Ubuntu changes can be dropped due to which Debian updates, please)
[02:36] <Toadstool> crimsun: oops!
[02:36] <Toadstool> thanks for pointing this out
[02:36] <Toadstool> (and hi by the way)
[02:37] <crimsun> hi :)
[02:39] <Fujitsu> Morning, Burgundavia.
[02:39] <Burgundavia> hey Fujitsu
[02:40] <Fujitsu> And what a not particularly good morning it is too.
[02:40] <Burgundavia> oh?
[02:40] <Burgundavia> it is still the 16th here
[02:41] <Fujitsu> Silly timezone differences.
[02:41] <Fujitsu> We need Swatch Internet Time! :P
[02:47] <Toadstool> hmm, looks like my edgy chroot on my server is ready... at least I'll be able to do a few little things until I can afford buying a laptop
[02:47] <bddebian> Heya Burgundavia
[03:06] <Burgundavia> bddebian: ping
[03:06] <bddebian> Yo
[03:06] <Burgundavia> classroom tonight. Mind if I teach my bit first?
[03:07] <bddebian> Egads I will never get to sleep :-)
[03:07] <Burgundavia> I need to work on UWN, for release a few hours later
[03:14] <Fujitsu> Heya Hobbsee.
[03:14] <Hobbsee> hey Fujitsu
[03:14] <TheMuso> Heya Hobbsee.
[03:15] <Hobbsee> hey TheMuso :)
[03:31] <bddebian> Hi Hobbsee
[03:31] <ajmitch> hi Hobbsee
[03:35] <sladen> Burgundavia: surely UWN comes out tomorrow?
[03:37] <hikenboot> hello all--Can anyone point me to a document on editing/creating metapackages?
[03:37] <tseng> a metapackage is an empty package that depends on other packages
[03:38] <hikenboot> I want to remove open office as a requirement in ubuntu-desktop
[03:38] <tseng> not sure what more documentation you want
[03:38] <tseng> ubuntu-desktop specifically is special
[03:39] <hikenboot> basically ubuntu-desktop's requirement for open office means 300 meg more space is taken on the cd..300 meg I could use for my own packages
[03:39] <tseng> you can remove it in the cd image...
[03:39] <tseng> you dont really need ubuntu-desktop left around in the context of the custom cd
[03:40] <hikenboot> yes but as soon as you try and install another package it causes errors
[03:40] <hikenboot> a better method, correct me if im wrong would be to some how tell it open-office isnt required
[03:41] <hikenboot> http://www.archivum.info/ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com/2005-02/msg00342.html
[03:41] <plugwash> ubuntu-desktop is built from the source package ubuntu-meta, presumablly you could modify that and rebuild it
[03:41] <plugwash> alternatively you could just make your cd not install ubuntu-desktop
[03:42] <hikenboot> plugwash how could i make it so it doesnt install ubuntu-desktop
[03:43] <plugwash> presumablly the same way you made it not install openoffice?
[03:44] <Hobbsee> hey bddebian, ajmitch
[03:44] <hikenboot> I actually just did an apt-get remove from a chroot...but i find doing this effects future edits to the cd so perhaps my methd is wrong?
[03:50] <sladen> hikenboot: 'affects' ?
[03:53] <hikenboot> it errors when trying to add further packages...the only way i can get close in fact is to add 100% of all the packages I want and then remove open office last
[03:53] <hikenboot> whyich in turn causes ubuntu-desktop to be removed
[03:56] <Burgundavia> sladen: tomorrow your time, today mine
[03:57] <Burgundavia> sladen: last few weeks have been delayed due to wiki breakage
[03:58] <bddebian> Damn this should be interesting, I never even use aptitude :-)
[03:58] <Fujitsu> Burgundavia, are you really expecting it to not break this week?
[03:58] <Burgundavia> Fujitsu: yes, I do
[03:58] <Fujitsu> Burgundavia, that's a bit optimistic, I think.
[03:58] <Burgundavia> Fujitsu: moving to gobby soon anyway
[03:59] <Fujitsu> Speaking of which, I need to merge that.
[03:59] <plugwash> hikenboot just let it remove ubuntu-desktop, removing ubuntu-desktop shouldn't break anything
[03:59] <plugwash> i presume this is a livecd you are trying to build?
[04:00] <hikenboot> yes
[04:00] <hikenboot> a live cd which I am keeping the ability for users to install into harddrive
[04:04] <plugwash> so when you apt-get remove <whatever the openoffice package is called> in the chroot what exactly does apt say?
[04:04] <plugwash> and what exactly goes wrong if you say yes
[04:06] <hikenboot> sorry I have been working for the last week with uck to get around the problem and dont remember..I will try it again and come back when I have specific messsages
[05:09] <tseng> imbrandon: WHOA MYTH 0.20
[05:12] <bddebian> hrmph
[05:12] <ajmitch> hrmph to you also
[05:13] <bddebian> :-)
[05:20] <Burgundavia> Laser_away: ping
[05:21] <crimsun> TheMuso: why is the libtool archive in libexiv2-0.10 and not in libexiv2-dev?
[05:24] <TheMuso> crimsun: I didn't even know that was the case.
[05:24] <crimsun> TheMuso: neither of your debdiffs in #60856 seem to touch the .so
[05:25] <crimsun> (in debian/rules, that is)
[05:25] <TheMuso> hmm ok I'll have another look.
[05:27] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: ping
[05:28] <nixternal> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3142 | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3148 | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3147
[05:28] <nixternal> ^^ readu for revu
[05:29] <crimsun> TheMuso: sorry, that's in reference to #60858
[05:29] <nixternal> any fixes i will hit in the morning...time to die, as the sun has wrecked me today!
[05:29] <nixternal> thanks
[05:29] <TheMuso> crimsun: Yeah I worked that out.
[05:50] <hikenboot> hello all--the problem with the live cd comes up when its in the chroot and packages have unmet dependencies because of the ubuntu-desktop package...the metapackage definately has to be changed so that dependency upon office is not required
[05:51] <hikenboot> open office gimp evoluton gaim and ekiga take up nearly 300 mb on the cd
[05:53] <bddebian> Burgundavia: There?
[05:53] <Burgundavia> bddebian: yep
[05:54] <bddebian> Burgundavia: Supposed to be in #u-classroom right?
[05:54] <Burgundavia> yep
[05:57] <bddebian> Hmm, not many there :-)
[05:58] <Burgundavia> going to be reannouning in #ubuntu and #ubuntu+1
[05:58] <bddebian> Oh joy :-)
[06:21] <glick> hello
[06:21] <glick> excuse me ive been reading the ubuntu packaging guide (which is excellent btw), and i have a question about this pbuilder app
[06:22] <glick> firstly, is that the standard way to build packges for a release? and if i want to remove the pbuilder enviornment, i simply delete the directory in /var/cache?
[06:22] <bureado> glick: That's a way, but if you don't want to use pbuilder anymore you should also purge it from your system.
[06:23] <bureado> glick: I don't know about Ubuntu, but it seems to me that pbuilder isn't used as the primary build daemon for neither Debian nor Ubuntu. There are specialized buildd's for that.
[06:23] <glick> is pbuilder the de-facto way to build packages?
[06:23] <bddebian> glick: It's one of the cleanest to make sure you aren't missing deps
[06:24] <bureado> glick: I agree with bddebian, it's the best available way to build a package.
[06:24] <glick> so if i wanna build ubuntu packages i should use the pbuilder method?
[06:25] <bddebian> glick: It's not the only way but probably one of, if not, THE most widely used/supported
[06:26] <glick> ok kooo
[06:30] <glick> do you put your pbuilder enviornment in a chroot envriornment?
[06:31] <bureado> I don't, and I don't think it's necessary. You should keep your pbuilder chroot (or "basetgz") updated.
[06:32] <glick> bureado, but what if your runnin LTS but wanna build for edgy?
[06:33] <bddebian> glick: You can set up a pbuilder environment for any distro
[06:33] <glick> oh ok
[06:33] <glick> for some reason i thought you needed chroot env for that so it doesnt mess with your install
[06:34] <bddebian> glick: As I understand it, pbuilder actually utilizes chroot but I don't know the internals
[06:34] <bureado> No. It keeps .tgz files under /var/cache. When you use pbuilder, it extracts the basetgz (you can have several .tgzs for any distro and you can specify them with --basetgz or through conffiles) and chroots into it.
[06:35] <glick> coolness
[06:35] <bddebian> bureado: Aye but aren't the .tgz files extracted in a chroot or some such?
[06:37] <Amaranth> bddebian: Err, it would have to extract the files in order to have something to chroot into
[06:37] <bureado> bddebian: Under /var/cache/pbuilder/build/<number>, and then chroots in that directory. It builds the package and then moves it to /var/cache/pbuilder/result/.
[06:38] <bddebian> Amaranth: Well that is more what I meant yes.  But hey, you know I'm kinda dumb :-)
[06:38] <Amaranth> hehe
[06:47] <Laser_away> Burgundavia: pong :-)
[06:47] <Burgundavia> Laser_away: just a sec, in classroom
[06:47] <Burgundavia> but you are setup for pbuilder on my machine
[06:48] <Laser_away> ah, cool
[06:52] <Laser_away> Burgundavia: can you send me an emil with the details, when you have a chance?
[06:52] <Burgundavia> Laser_away: will do
[06:55] <Burgundavia> Laser_away: send
[06:55] <Burgundavia> sent, rather
[06:55] <Burgundavia> Laser_away: can you test now?
[06:56] <Laser_away> yes, just a sec
[06:59] <Laser_away> connection refused
[06:59] <Burgundavia> bloody router, it does that
[07:00] <Burgundavia> Laser_away: try port 9000
[07:00] <Laser_away> also refused
[07:00] <Laser_away> :-)
[07:01] <Burgundavia> Laser_away: try now
[07:03] <Burgundavia> Laser_away: ?
[07:05] <Laser_away> trying
[07:07] <Laser_away> hmm, well 9000 was still refused, 2222 just sits there
[07:08] <Burgundavia> ok, try now
[07:10] <Laser_away> same
[07:12] <Burgundavia> ok, if port 6522 work and not this?
[07:12] <Burgundavia> ok, try port 9000 again
[07:15] <Laser_away> 6522 and 9000 are connection refused
[07:16] <Laser_away> sure you don't have some hosts.allow/hosts.deny thing going on?
[07:16] <Burgundavia> 6522 will be, as I don't have gobby up
[07:16] <Burgundavia> ok, try 9000 now
[07:16] <Burgundavia> testing a theory
[07:16] <Laser_away> nada
[07:16] <Laser_away> :/
[07:17] <Burgundavia> can you try username "corey" ?
[07:17] <Laser_away> at least you computer seems pretty secure :-)
[07:17] <bddebian> heh
[07:17] <Burgundavia> I already have 22 open, but that goes to my server
[07:17] <Laser_away> still refused
[07:17] <bddebian> Burgundavia: Hey, I thought you had UWN work to do?? ;-P
[07:17] <Burgundavia> bddebian: I do
[07:18] <Burgundavia> try port 22
[07:18] <Burgundavia> username corey
[07:18] <Laser_away> hmm, well it got me to login
[07:19] <Laser_away> but didn't like the password
[07:19] <Burgundavia> yes, because my password is not so easy to guess
[07:19] <Laser_away> well, I used my username
[07:20] <Burgundavia> I am truly baffled, because I can create redirects that work on any port, but it seems I cannot create a duplicate redirect for the same protocol as one I have already used
[07:20] <Burgundavia> I almost wonder if the firmware has a secret setting to silently drop connections
[07:20] <Burgundavia> oh, wait, I see the issue
[07:21] <Burgundavia> ok, try now
[07:21] <Burgundavia> I am an idito
[07:22] <Burgundavia> port 9000
[07:23] <Laser_away> still refused
[07:23] <Laser_away> Corey, if you have stuff to do don't let me take you away from it
[07:23] <Burgundavia> no, it is ok
[07:23] <Burgundavia> ok, this UI sucks
[07:24] <Burgundavia> ok, one last try and then I am giving up
[07:29] <Burgundavia> Laser_away: success?
[07:31] <Laser_away> sorry dude, nothing on 9000
[07:35] <Burgundavia> bugger, I will play tomorrow
[07:37] <Laser_away> np, maybe by the start of edgy+1 I'll have a decent pbuilder machine ;-)
[07:41] <imbrandon> moins all
[07:42] <bddebian> Laser_away: Well just send me a nice amd64 machine and I'll make sure I have a pbuilder on there for ya.. ;-)
[07:43] <Burgundavia> morning imbrandon
[07:43] <Burgundavia> I had a question for you
[07:43] <imbrandon> sure
[07:43] <imbrandon> nice souyuz piece btw
[07:43] <imbrandon> soyuz*
[07:45] <Burgundavia> soyuz piece?
[07:46] <imbrandon> i thought you wrote that last one for the fridge
[07:46] <Burgundavia> nope
[07:46] <imbrandon> might have been sladen
[07:47] <imbrandon> anyhow , rember what it was Burgundavia ?
[07:47] <imbrandon> heh
[07:47] <Burgundavia> that is the issue, I don't remember
[07:47] <Burgundavia> right, amarok
[07:47] <bddebian> Boy, even Laser_away doesn't talk to me anymore :'-(
[07:47] <imbrandon> lol bddebian
[07:47] <Burgundavia> Added support for edgy ( and future TBA releases ) to install-mp3 <-- what is this?
[07:48] <imbrandon> Burgundavia, ahh the install-mp3 script that Riddell made for amarok, it only worked ( or assumed ) that you were on dapper
[07:48] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: does it install mp3 support?
[07:48] <imbrandon> so i changed it to use lsbrelease -sc
[07:49] <imbrandon> Burgundavia, yes , the first time you try to play a mp3 in amarok, if you dont have mp3 support it ask if you want to install it and
[07:49] <imbrandon> then uppon yes it does
[07:49] <Burgundavia> ok
[07:49] <Laser_away> bddebian: oh whatever
[07:49] <Laser_away> bddebian: you know I love you ;-)
[07:49] <Burgundavia> bddebian: we all love you
[07:50] <imbrandon> group hug ;)
[07:50] <Burgundavia> hmm, you guys are busy
[07:50] <Burgundavia> UWN edgy section is going to be big this week
[07:50] <Laser_away> good
[07:50] <imbrandon> hehe Burgundavia
[07:51] <bddebian> Bah
[07:51] <imbrandon> Burgundavia, if your wondering about that script for the UWN i can grab some screen shots, i have a fresh install on my laptop
[07:51] <Burgundavia> no, just wanted to mention it
[07:51] <imbrandon> ok sounds good ;)
[07:51] <bddebian> Now I have to take my antique arse to bed.  Gnight folks
[07:52] <imbrandon> gnight bddebian
[07:52] <imbrandon> hello robitaille
[07:52] <robitaille> Hi imbrandon
[07:53] <Burgundavia> hey robitaille
[07:53] <robitaille> Hi Burgundavia
[07:54] <robitaille> sigh...some of the Knot-3 iso over bigger than 700mb... of course I discovered that after downloading one...
[07:54] <robitaille> there goes my plan to upgrade the laptop tonight :)
[07:54] <imbrandon> robitaille, heh what ones? try a dvd should work if you "abosolutely" need it
[07:54] <robitaille> I don't have a DVD writer :)
[07:54] <imbrandon> ouch
[07:54] <robitaille> edgy-alternate-i386.iso   is 702mb
[07:55] <imbrandon> hrm 702 ( upto 704 i /think/ ) should fit
[07:55] <imbrandon> specialy if your burner supports overburn but i think even if not
[07:55] <robitaille> it doesn't on my writer from what I can see with Nautilus
[07:56] <imbrandon> i dunno the onyl one i tested was the kubuntu desktop ppc
[07:56] <robitaille> anyway, I should probably test with the live installer instead of the alternate version
[07:56] <imbrandon> infact i guess i should do a laptop report on it since everything seems to work this go round, even wireless
[07:57] <imbrandon> well OOTB i should say, i always got the stuff working hehe
[08:02] <ivoks> lilo died?
[08:02] <imbrandon> yes
[08:02] <ivoks> :(
[08:03] <imbrandon> early today
[08:04] <Fujitsu> Yeah, :(
[08:04] <Fujitsu> #freenode-announce is going crazy.
[08:07] <bureado> Sorry for the OT, is there anyone using ORCA here?
[08:19] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, it should.
[08:19] <imbrandon> yea , it should, just hopeing
[08:19] <Fujitsu> Yeah...
[08:19] <rmjb> Hi, is the motu school still operational?
[08:20] <crimsun> rmjb: yes
[08:20] <imbrandon> rmjb, yessir
[08:20] <rmjb> the topic in the channel says next class is Aug 11
[08:21] <Fujitsu> rmjb, nobody changed the topic after the lat one.
[08:21] <Fujitsu> *last
[08:21] <imbrandon> rmjb, topic is a bit off, probably needs fixed
[08:21] <adamant1988> Fujitsu: this is the package list of what naim wants to remove. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23717
[08:21] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[08:21] <Fujitsu> Not related..
[08:21] <Fujitsu> Note that it says `are unused and will be removed'
[08:22] <adamant1988> it doesn't seem like they're not used... particularly since I just install wlassistant
[08:22] <Fujitsu> It just means that they are no longer depended on by anything, so it's removing them automatically... Nothing to do with the installation.
[08:22] <imbrandon> autoremove shouldent be on by default though should it
[08:22] <Fujitsu> adamant1988, it means they were just installed as dependencies of something else, and said something else has been removed.
[08:23] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, in aptitude it is.
[08:23] <imbrandon> adamant1988, do you have kubuntu-desktop likely
[08:23] <adamant1988> imbrandon: yes, I just installed kubuntu-desktop
[08:23] <imbrandon> ahh i never use aptitittude, it tries to be too smart
[08:23] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, agreed.
[08:23] <adamant1988> yeah, I used aptitude so I could remove any packages it installs with kubuntu-desktop
[08:24] <adamant1988> oh... I see what it's trying to do... kubuntu-desktop was removed and it wants to remove all the packages I installed with it?
[08:24] <imbrandon> well that be one of the side effects ;) yup
[08:24] <imbrandon> exactly
[08:24] <adamant1988> so... how do I fix this?>
[08:24] <imbrandon> here be dragons ( of aptitude ), use apt-get ;)
[08:25] <Fujitsu> Evening, Gloubiboulga..
[08:25] <adamant1988> so just switch to apt-get and it won't be a problem?
[08:25] <imbrandon> adamant1988, nope shouldent be
[08:25] <Fujitsu> adamant1988, yep.
[08:25] <Laser_away> well ...
[08:25] <adamant1988> that sucks though.. I really liked aptitude...
[08:25] <Gloubiboulga> morning Fujitsu (8:25 am here)
[08:25] <adamant1988> ok, sorry for wasting your time :)
[08:25] <imbrandon> adamant1988, or reinstall kubuntu-desktop
[08:25] <Laser_away> adamant1988: you should be able to get aptitude to do what you want too
[08:25] <rmjb> you want to keep some apps that were installed with aptitude?
[08:26] <Laser_away> adamant1988: it just might take a little convincing ;-)
[08:26] <adamant1988> hrmmm let me try reinstalling kubuntu desktop
[08:26] <adamant1988> although I'm not sure why it's removed anyway
[08:26] <imbrandon> yea aptitude tries to be smarter than you but you can coax it
[08:26] <adamant1988> I didn't do it.
[08:26] <imbrandon> if you try hard enough
[08:27] <Laser_away> it is nice for the *-desktops
[08:27] <Laser_away> but I seem to get it confused (or maybe I get confused) fairly quickly :-)
[08:27] <imbrandon> Laser_away, not for people like me that remove oo.o on instalation in favor of koffice and thus remove the *-desktop ;)
[08:27] <rmjb> adamant1988: aptitude marks dependency packages as Auto installed. So if you want to keep a packages that's marked as Auto, issue an aptitude install command for it and that should remove the Auto nature of it
[08:28] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, that's what Edgy's new seeds are for.
[08:28] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, i know
[08:28] <Laser_away> imbrandon: I just install koffice too
[08:28] <adamant1988> which puts it on par with apt-get
[08:28] <adamant1988> I'll just apt-get naim
[08:29] <rmjb> they all use dpkg in the backend so you can switch apt-get, aptitude and synaptic as much as you want
[08:29] <Laser_away> well, I've found that it isn't quite that easy
[08:29] <bureado> I honestly don't know what's the state of mixing frontends in Ubuntu, but in Debian it ends in a total catastrophe.
[08:30] <adamant1988> rmjb: yeah.. I was using aptitude because I wanted to not have to worry about removing needed depencies.
[08:30] <bureado> Synaptic actually seems to be apt-get, so mixing those seems to be OK. But when aptitude jumps in, it gets difficult.
[08:30] <rmjb> but if you use apt-get or synaptic aptitude wont know if those packages are Auto installed so it wont auto-remove them, if that's your intention the no probs
[08:30] <adamant1988> yeah... I'm just going to use apt-get from now one
[08:30] <adamant1988> on*
[08:31] <imbrandon> rmjb, and apt-get has a new sugested remove too like aptitude but dopes automativcly do it
[08:31] <bureado> adamant1988: Any decission will be OK as long as you stick uniformly with it.
[08:31] <Fujitsu> Yagisan, file a bug!
[08:31] <rmjb> that new feature is in the apt-get in the repos?
[08:31] <crimsun> no, nasty nasty bashisms.
[08:31] <Fujitsu> Dash is GOOD!
[08:32] <Fujitsu> Nasty POSIX-noncompliant scripts.
[08:32] <Yagisan> Fujitsu, I will
[08:32] <Yagisan> crimsun, it appears that any file that used source foo dies
[08:35] <crimsun> sorry, I'm not following?
[08:35] <crimsun> oh, 'source'. Right.
[08:35] <crimsun> '. foo' instead
[08:38] <Yagisan> ok. it's bug #60877 somone that is brighter then I at shell scripts might fix it.
[08:38] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 60877 in ddns3-client "ddns3 client does not start if /bin/sh is linked to dash" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60877
[08:51] <StevenK> Yagisan: I'm happy to look at it, but I have no details for ddns
[08:52] <Yagisan> StevenK, you can set up a free account here -> http://www.ddns.nu/index.php
[08:52] <Yagisan> StevenK, it was stupid of me to not list that
[08:54] <Yagisan> StevenK, bug report updated
[08:57] <StevenK> Yagisan: Right. I have a patch for that particular error
[08:58] <Yagisan> StevenK, thanks mate.
[08:59] <StevenK> Yagisan: The rest of the script looks fine, apart from usage of ``, as opposed to $(), but that's just aesthetics.
[08:59] <StevenK> Yagisan: I can upload a fix, or I can throw the patch at the bug report.
[09:01] <Yagisan> StevenK, please upload, I'm not a motu
[09:04] <dotwaffle> hey all (if awake) looking to do an article for the UWN on the REVU day, anyone got anything to add?
[09:08] <imbrandon> dotwaffle, something about lilo this week would be nice
[09:08] <imbrandon> if Burgundavia hasent done it already
[09:09] <dotwaffle> imbrandon: Freenode's lilo as opposed to Linux Loader, I presume
[09:09] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: I will add something
[09:09] <dotwaffle> He's on the job, quick devil :)
[09:09] <imbrandon> ;)
[09:17] <StevenK> Yagisan: Uploaded.
[09:18] <Yagisan> StevenK, thanks :)
[09:23] <imbrandon> hrm is there a kde ooby client ?
[09:23] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, no.
[09:24] <imbrandon> s/ooby/obby
[09:24] <imbrandon> but yea that sucks
[09:34] <seaLne> it would be nice in kopete :)
[09:34] <seaLne> i wonder tho if jabber is more the way forward for colaberative stuff
[09:36] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: any reason why you're stealing the merges listed as me?
[09:36] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: enigma's a sync - it's been filed for a while.  clearly crimsun didnt see it.
[09:38] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, is it? I didn't think dh_iconcache was included in any of those includes...
[09:38] <Fujitsu> Oops..
[09:38] <Hobbsee> oh wait
[09:38] <Hobbsee> yeah, you might be right
[09:38] <Hobbsee> maybe i'im confused
[09:38] <Fujitsu> I don't see why it would be there.
[09:38] <Hobbsee> is it in gnome.mk or kde.mk?
[09:38] <Hobbsee> oh well
[09:38] <Fujitsu> Er, enigma includes neither.
[09:38] <Fujitsu> It is in kde.mk, though.
[09:39] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: ah right
[09:39] <Hobbsee> yes, of course it's in kde.mk :P
[09:39] <Hobbsee> i changed that :D
[09:40] <Fujitsu> I thought so.
[09:40] <Hobbsee> anyway, as a general note, you dont need to touch my merges at this poitn in the release cycle - most either dont build, upstream has updated with my changes, etc
[09:40] <Hobbsee> or they're waiting on sync.s
[09:40] <Fujitsu> I also see a substantial lack of sync request for Enigma...
[09:40] <Hobbsee> or at least poke me first :P
[09:40] <Fujitsu> OK.
[09:40] <Hobbsee> yeah, i noticed that...
[09:41] <Hobbsee> i thought i requested it
[09:41] <Hobbsee> or did i merge it already?
[09:41] <Hobbsee> !info enigma edgy
[09:41] <ubotu> enigma: A game where you control a marble with the mouse. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.92.3-3ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 612 kB, installed size 1748 kB
[09:41] <Hobbsee> weird
[09:41] <Hobbsee> dont remember what happened there
[09:41] <Fujitsu> You last did it on 2006/07/10.
[09:42] <Hobbsee> yeah, ages ago
[09:42] <Hobbsee> i thought i touched it since then
[09:42] <Hobbsee> weird.
[09:43] <Fujitsu> OK, I shall cease going near your merges from now on :)
[09:43] <Hobbsee> of course, when the merges first come.... :P
[09:43] <Hobbsee> well, poke me at least
[09:44] <Fujitsu> OK, I shall...
[09:44] <Fujitsu> Hm.
[09:44] <Fujitsu> I've got nothing to do for the first 3 months of Edgy+1's development... No school...
[09:45] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:45] <Hobbsee> get merging :)
[09:45] <Hobbsee> once they've built the toolchain
[09:46] <Fujitsu> I plan to.
[09:46] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: that's where a pbuilder for edgy+1 becomes your friend
[09:46] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, yeah...
[09:46] <glick> which method of creating packages is most used? debhelper, or CDBS?
[09:46] <Hobbsee> glick: debhelper.  both are fairly common
[09:46] <Fujitsu> Though I'll upgrade my laptop earlier for Edgy+1, because it won't be so used for production work.
[09:46] <glick> ok
[09:47] <glick> dratz, i feel so limited with only one machine :(
[09:47] <glick> i only have a humble little laptop
[09:48] <Fujitsu> glick, as do I.
[09:48] <Fujitsu> But I can afford to have it broken if I don't need it for school, and I like fixing broken systems :P
[09:49] <Hobbsee> glick: i only have 1 machine here too.
[09:49] <Hobbsee> glick: i can have 3 systems on 40GB though
[09:49] <Hobbsee> just tripple boot :P
[09:49] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: separate partition.
[09:49] <glick> my frien on the other coast is supposed to hook my old p3 up that i left over there and connect it to the net
[09:50] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: but dont even bother with that until they fix apt, etc
[09:50] <glick> heh
[09:50] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: dont even bother until they get the first milestone out or so - there's no point
[09:50] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: everything's getting merged like crazy
[09:50] <Hobbsee> so it mostly doesnt work
[09:50] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, I upgraded just before Knot 1.
[09:50] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, noted.
[09:50] <Hobbsee> :P
[09:50] <Hobbsee> yeah, same here.
[09:50] <Fujitsu> (I was on Dapper around Flight 1)
[09:50] <glick> well id like to be able to do test setups of things like squid and dns n stuff
[09:51] <Hobbsee> go for it
[09:51] <Hobbsee> it mostly works now
[09:51] <Hobbsee> i think
[09:51] <imbrandon> vmware / qemu ;)
[09:51] <Fujitsu> Shouldn't Edgy+1's name be released shortly?
[09:52] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, yea semi soon
[09:52] <Hobbsee> i'm wondering when though
[09:52] <Hobbsee> seeing as the conference will be in under 2 months
[09:52] <Fujitsu> Yeah...
[09:52] <imbrandon> any day now if i was a betting man, last time it was about a month before release
[09:52] <Fujitsu> It was about a month before Dapper that Edgy was named.
[09:52] <Fujitsu> Damn.
[09:52] <Fujitsu> I got in too late.
[09:52] <imbrandon> lol
[09:53] <imbrandon> we're just over a month out now soo it shouldent be long
[09:54] <Fujitsu> Yeah.
[09:54] <imbrandon> daft dango's ( arent those those AU dog's ? ) hehe
[09:54] <Hobbsee> dingos?
[09:54] <Hobbsee> you cant spell, imbrandon :P
[09:54] <imbrandon> yea htat was it
[09:54] <imbrandon> i dident know what they were called ;)
[09:54] <seaLne> and your alphabet is a bit out of order
[09:54] <StevenK> And a dingo is not a dog.
[09:55] <imbrandon> they are just dog's here
[09:55] <Fujitsu> Actually, the name was released a month before it /should/ have been released.
[09:55] <imbrandon> ahh thats right we're going in order
[09:55] <imbrandon> hrm F
[09:55] <Fujitsu> Dangos! Yay!
[09:55] <imbrandon> StevenK, they arent ?
[09:56] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, nope.
[09:56] <Fujitsu> They are distinct, and they eat babies, whereas dogs don't so much :P
[09:56] <seaLne> in the same way wolfs aren't dogs?
[09:56] <StevenK> seaLne: Correct.
[09:56] <imbrandon> wolfs are dogs
[09:56] <Yagisan> a dingo is a "dog", but a marsupial variety. Not what you'd associate with a domesticated dog, but still
[09:56] <StevenK> imbrandon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dingo
[09:56] <imbrandon> wolf is just a wild dog
[09:56] <imbrandon> heh
[09:56] <StevenK> imbrandon: A wolf is not a wild dog.
[09:57] <Yagisan> it is still a member of the canine family
[09:57] <StevenK> imbrandon: That's like calling an American a person
[09:57] <imbrandon> StevenK, if they can mate they are of the same species
[09:57] <imbrandon> hahaha
[09:57] <imbrandon> wolf and domesticated dogs can intermix so they are one in the same
[09:57] <imbrandon> species
[09:59] <imbrandon> hahaha Americans != people /me will rember that
[10:00] <Yagisan> all you ever wanted to know about "dogs" -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canis
[10:00] <imbrandon> StevenK, wow wikipeda says they are wild dogs heh
[10:00] <imbrandon> and no i dident edit it
[10:00] <imbrandon> quote : The dingo (plural dingos or dingoes), Canis lupus dingo, is a type of wild dog, probably descended from the Indian Wolf
[10:01] <imbrandon> heh looks like a dingo is closer to a wolf than a domestic dog anyhow
[10:07] <Yagisan> oh, I'm in wikipedia o_O I feel so special
[10:08] <glick> is the debian package manual more comprehensice then the one that comes with ubuntu?
[10:14] <imbrandon> glick, the debian one still applies for the most part then read the ubuntu one for specifics
[10:14] <imbrandon> to ubuntu
[10:15] <glick> so mainly the only difference is versioning schemes?
[10:15] <imbrandon> there are a few other things but that is the main one noticed first
[10:15] <imbrandon> mostly where files are put too when installed is a bit diffrent at times
[10:15] <imbrandon> brb
[10:50] <Lathiat> Hrm lynx in ubuntu is version 2.8.5-2ubuntu2, which is higher than the 2.8.5-2sarge2.1 in unstable (ubuntu version was based of -2sarge1) i guess the version was modified incorrectly what would be the appropriate fix?
[10:50] <Lathiat> fake sync with ubuntu3 ?
[10:53] <Fujitsu> Lathiat, yes.
[10:54] <Lathiat> I guess the right thing would have been to use -2sarge1ubuntu1 in the first place?
[10:56] <Fujitsu> Lathiat, if it was based on that.
[10:56] <Lathiat> it was
[10:56] <Lathiat> and later -2sarge2 was added
[10:56] <Lathiat> i guess the sarge thing could have been added later in debian tho
[10:56] <Lathiat> in which case youd have the same problem
[10:56] <Fujitsu> You sure there wasn't a -2ubuntu1 first?
[10:57] <Lathiat> no the -2ubuntu1 changelog has -2sarge1 in the changelog history
[10:57] <Fujitsu> hm.
[10:57] <Fujitsu> So it should have been -2sarge1ubuntu1, probably.
[10:57] <Lathiat> +--  6 lines: lynx (2.8.5-2ubuntu2) edgy; urgency=low -- Martin Pitt  ----------
[10:57] <Lathiat> +--  6 lines: lynx (2.8.5-2ubuntu1) dapper; urgency=low -- Martin Pitt  --------
[10:57] <Lathiat> +--  9 lines: lynx (2.8.5-2sarge1) stable-security; urgency=high -- Martin Schul
[10:57] <Lathiat> right
[10:59] <Fujitsu> I trust pitti, though... There must have been a reason for it.
[10:59] <Lathiat> i would assume a simple mistake *shrug*
[11:04] <Lathiat> Also does it make sense to keep the package changelog history
[11:04] <Lathiat> even fi the versions dont order properly?
[11:04] <Lathiat> one was a rebuidl and the others a change thats now in debian (simple build-dep) does it make more sense just to strip them out?
[01:32] <Adri2000> hi
[01:33] <Adri2000> can someone run revu-report on this package http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3153 please?
[01:51] <kmon_> hi
[01:52] <kmon_> I would like to request a package that's in debian but not in ubuntu: bonfire, a gtk gstreamer0.10 burning tool
[01:52] <kmon_> how can I do the request?
[01:54] <kmon_> Hobbsee: that package?
[01:54] <Hobbsee> kmon_: check if the debian package builds in ubuntu edgy, if it does, request a sync
[01:54] <Hobbsee> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/bonfire/+bug/57199
[01:54] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57199 in bonfire "Add bonfire/ brasero" [Unknown,Fix released] 
[01:54] <lucas> kmon_: what's the source package name for bonfire ?
[01:55] <kmon_> I think it's bonfire
[01:55] <kmon_> here's the debian package page:
[01:55] <kmon_> http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=bonfire&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all
[01:56] <lucas> ok, it's one of the hundreds of packages from Debian which were never synced to ubuntu
[01:57] <Adri2000> bonfire is now known as brasero: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3133
[01:57] <kmon_> I gess debian is too big ;)
[01:57] <kmon_> Adri2000: yes, I've just noticed
[02:01] <Hobbsee> Adri2000: you made that package?
[02:02] <Adri2000> Hobbsee: no, mr_pouit made it
[02:02] <Hobbsee> Adri2000: ahh okay
[02:02] <ivoks> kmon_: bonfire will get in 26th
[02:02] <kmon_> ivoks: thanks
[02:02] <Hobbsee> ivoks: you're adding it?  hi, by the way
[02:03] <ivoks> Hobbsee: hi
[02:03] <ivoks> Hobbsee: let's say i know the author :)
[02:03] <Hobbsee> ivoks: ahhh :)
[02:03] <ivoks> we are waiting for a new release that will make it easier to maintain packages
[02:03] <Hobbsee> ivoks: do i want to dare ask about firefox?
[02:03] <ivoks> firefox?
[02:03] <Hobbsee> oh grrr.  dont worry, i'm getting you mixed up.
[02:03] <ivoks> :)
[02:03] <Hobbsee> ivoks: you're the printing guy, right?
[02:04] <ivoks> hehe
[02:04] <Hobbsee> well, that's one of the things you do, anyway :P  i think
[02:04] <ivoks> you can say that, a printing guy :)
[02:04] <ivoks> what about firefox?
[02:05] <Hobbsee> was wondering when 1.5.0.7 would make it into ubuntu
[02:05] <ivoks> am i the only one with broken navigation toolbar? :)
[02:05] <Hobbsee> !info firefox
[02:05] <ubotu> firefox: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.5-0ubuntu6.06.1 (dapper), package size 7730 kB, installed size 22912 kB
[02:05] <Hobbsee> ivoks: i dont use that broken thing called gnome.  *g*
[02:05] <ivoks> :p
[02:05] <ivoks> :)
[02:06] <thom> oh please. at least gnome actually has a ui design, rather than just using small children to throw paint at the screen and adding the code to make it work
[02:06] <tseng> Hobbsee: haha!
[02:06] <tseng> Hobbsee: good one
[02:06] <Fujitsu> thom, hahaha. True.
[02:06] <Hobbsee> tseng: :P
[02:06] <ivoks> thom: :)
[02:06] <ivoks> let's start a flamewar :)
[02:06] <tseng> Muine is a Gnome app
[02:06] <tseng> enough said
[02:06] <thom> i started amarok the other day, whilst searching for a decent media player. holy crap. could there be any more options?
[02:06] <Hobbsee> thom: i'm surprised that they're still allowing printing to happen in gnome at all - seeing as a button there to configure which printer to use was seen to be too complex.
[02:07] <Hobbsee> haha
[02:07] <Hobbsee> ivoks: seems like it :P
[02:07] <ivoks> hahaha don't get me start on KDE and printing :)
[02:07] <azeem> thom: if you can't cope with amarok, it means you are unable to make decisions
[02:07] <tseng> Hobbsee: thats a good troll, but entirely untrue
[02:07] <Hobbsee> ivoks: we've decreased functionality, to be more like gnome :P
[02:07] <Hobbsee> tseng: awww...i was told it was
[02:07] <ivoks> Hobbsee: to 0? :)
[02:07] <Hobbsee> tseng: jdong whinged about it
[02:08] <Hobbsee> ivoks: no, it does have functionality.  some.
[02:08] <DarkMageZ> azeem, no, it's a matter on how the persons mind works.
[02:08] <ivoks> Citing printing.kde.org 'Latest news: Februar 2002." :)
[02:08] <tseng> Hobbsee: no comment, read my mind
[02:08] <DarkMageZ> thom, if amarok doesn't work out for you, rhythmbox might
[02:08] <Hobbsee> tseng: right
[02:08] <ivoks> anyway...
[02:08] <ivoks> take care guys
[02:09] <tseng> bye ivoks
[02:09] <Hobbsee> bye ivoks!
[02:09] <ivoks> hug time
[02:09] <ivoks> yay
[02:09] <Hobbsee> yay, hugs :)
[02:09] <Hobbsee> heh.
[02:09] <thom> DarkMageZ: rb doesn't even run currently, but i've no idea why
[02:09] <ivoks> i have exams next week :/
[02:09] <tseng> thom: i blame dbus
[02:09] <thom> tseng: seems reasonable
[02:09] <tseng> thom: covers most everything
[02:09] <DarkMageZ> thom, are you on edgy?
[02:09] <Fujitsu> :)
[02:10] <tseng> thom: mine works btw
[02:10] <tseng> not that I would want to use this
[02:10] <thom> DarkMageZ: yes
[02:10] <Hobbsee> that would have worked so much better if i'd gotten the command right.
[02:10] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, yeah.
[02:10] <thom> oh well, last-exit does what i need
[02:10] <tseng> woo last-exit
[02:11] <Mithrandir> quod libet wfm.
[02:11] <tseng> hi Tollef
[02:12] <Mithrandir> hello tseng
[02:12] <Hobbsee> hey Mithrandir
[02:12] <thom> Mithrandir: ah, i'd forgotten about q-l
[02:12] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:12] <tseng> kmon_: yay banshee
[02:13] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: just you wait for me to get to a developer summit :P
[02:13] <thom> tseng: you just have an autofilter for anything mono and yay it, right? ;-)
[02:13] <tseng> thom: hm not really
[02:13] <lifeless> scary thought
[02:13] <tseng> thom: but there are alot of great gtk# apps so far
[02:14] <tseng> banshee, muine, last-exit happen to be my favorites regardless of platform bias
[02:14] <tseng> been using muine for years
[02:14] <tseng> when it was basically the only useful mono app
[02:15] <thom> tseng: i was just trolling gently :-)
[02:15] <tseng> the most amazing part about banshee is ipod support
[02:15] <tseng> in two directions
[02:15] <thom> lifeless: did you see that sun open sourced that research smalltalk vm the other day, btw?
[02:16] <tseng> does anyone else even do that well?
[02:16] <lifeless> strongtalk yeah
[02:16] <sladen> Hobbsee: ask simira and she'll do the Mithrandir poking for you!
[02:16] <lifeless> commercial smalltalk - vw specifically is still faster
[02:16] <Hobbsee> sladen: could be a plan
[02:16] <Mithrandir> sladen: she loves me too much for that. :-P
[02:16] <tseng> poking-by-proxy
[02:16] <lifeless> self which is suns older smalltalk was a predecessor of strongtalk, by the same folk
[02:17] <lifeless> apparently lots of the techniques in strongtalk are in use today, buts its still rocking fast
[02:17] <thom> lifeless: no doubt, but it's an interesting step esp given sun's current interest in ruby
[02:17] <sladen> Mithrandir: yeah, I fear she might actually enjoy it :)
[02:17] <lifeless> (and note that java hotspot is what strongtalk became)
[02:18] <thom> yeah
[02:18] <lifeless> thom: well they open sourced everything but the vm some years back, this was planned and known to be coming
[02:36] <kmon_> bye
[03:04] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:49] <siretart> KhanReape1: ping
[04:16] <siretart> KhanReape1: see your inbox
[04:19] <thrice`> can packages be requested to appear in universe if they do not currently exist in the repositories ?
[04:20] <tseng> does it exist in Debian?
[04:22] <thrice`> it doesn't appear to, no
[04:22] <tseng> then someone will need to do the packaging and post it to REVU
[04:24] <thrice`> i was going to package it myself, but .deb creation still confuses me :)
[04:25] <tseng> you are certainly welcome to ask questions here as you go
[04:26] <thrice`> thanks.  I'm just used to bash buildscripts, I suppose
[06:12] <Adri2000> who has not yet reviewed a package on REVU today ? :-)
[06:13] <ivoks> Adri2000: i would be glad to help you, but i can't for next two weeks (exams) :/
[06:14] <Adri2000> good luck for your exams ;)
[06:14] <ivoks> thanks
[07:24] <hikenboot> hello all---can anyone give me a clue as to how I would go from ubuntu-meta to ubuntu-desktop...I know I have to compile it some way but it doesnt contain a config or a make file so how would i do it?
[07:25] <hikenboot> I have removed open-office from the list of packages that it includes and want to transform it to the ubuntu-desktop
[08:34] <scotth> hikenboot: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
[08:34] <scotth> do that in the root directory of the package
[08:34] <scotth> the actual makefile your looking for is debian/rules
[09:15] <hikenboot> scotth thanks a bunch!
[09:47] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: ping
[10:01] <surimi> hello
[10:03] <phanatic> good evening
[10:04] <surimi> I have install the only 200Mo from KDE for compiling this tar http://de.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=39052 and spend many hours to understand
[10:05] <surimi> it's hard to be a linux user and having free application like in Windows and Mac like http://www.linotype.com/fontexplorerX
[10:16] <sladen_> surimi: "200Mo" ?
[10:17] <sladen_> Riddell: ^^does that make more sense to you?
[10:18] <surimi> sladen_, yes, all the package I had to install :\
[10:25] <surimi> the Scibus chan is pro KDE and Suse. So I have install too Konqueror and many paquets ^@^ and in fact I haven't the same than the few Mo for Linotype FontExplorer X. It's a pitty. Inkscape and Scibus are good applications. But where is the necessary font manager killer application ?
[10:26] <surimi> I have try this one too http://www.gesindel.de/page_whatis_english.php ^@^
[10:26] <sladen_> surimi: what's a "Mo" ?
[10:26] <wastrel> hello
[10:26] <surimi> nice but... I have finalised the installation :D
[10:27] <sladen_> surimi: excellent to know!
[10:27] <surimi> sladen_, sorry Mb en english
[10:27] <sladen_> surimi: ah, gotcha, a MB
[10:27] <surimi> * haven't finalised
[10:28] <surimi> too difficult for an standard human user ^^
[10:28] <surimi> to
[10:29] <surimi> it's my today experiments : it's hard to be a linux user :p
[10:29] <surimi> if someone can give some help to these developpements it will be so nice. I think.
[10:30] <surimi> I have read in a french blog that Linux is the Mac killer :D
[10:30] <surimi> I would so, to.
[10:31] <Toadstool> surimi: no it's not hard as long as you use what is packaged in your distribution :)
[10:31] <surimi> Toadstool, true
[10:31] <surimi> Toadstool, but there is no deb for Kunbuntu too.
[10:31] <tseng> Ubugtu: bug 60831
[10:31] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 60831 in f-spot "f-spot crash" [Untriaged,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60831
[10:32] <Toadstool> surimi: I think you should ask for help in #ubuntu-fr or #ubuntu-fr-testing, this chan is more about packaging new stuff etc than for support ;)
[10:32] <surimi> and no Gnome projet ('aussi bien' in english) developped
[10:33] <surimi> Toadstool, I have made so, Sp4rky helped me a lot, Gloubiboulga too.
[10:33] <Toadstool> surimi: well, of course you can try to package the applications you're talking about :)
[10:33] <surimi> perhaps I'll have my deb this night \o/
[10:33] <Toadstool> cool
[10:34] <surimi> but when we love, we don't count :)
[10:39] <surimi> and now ladies and gentlemen http://pastebin.wikistuce.info/?213
[10:41] <surimi> with sudo :p
[10:45] <surimi> next step http://pastebin.wikistuce.info/?214
[10:47] <Adri2000> in debian/control, Section: should it be gnome or universe/gnome ?
[10:47] <Toadstool> gnome
[10:48] <Adri2000> k
[10:48] <xhaker> people.. help me identify this as a bug please
[10:48] <xhaker> package wondershaper
[10:48] <xhaker> last changelog states it was reviewed for dash compatibility
[10:49] <xhaker> still.. there are "==" statements there
[10:49] <Toadstool> then it's a bug
[10:50] <wastrel> what's dash compatibility?
[10:50] <xhaker> dash is a POSIS strict shell
[10:51] <xhaker> bash as some added functionality
[10:51] <xhaker> dash is in some cases faster
[10:51] <xhaker> Toadstool, the source in debian is correct
[10:51] <xhaker> the versions are the same in debian and ubuntu edgy
[10:52] <xhaker> i think
[10:53] <xhaker> there is a patch here
[10:53] <xhaker> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=292123
[10:53] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 292123 in wondershaper "wondershaper: Wondershaper does not work with dash" [Important,Open] 
[10:55] <Toadstool> wow, looks like the package is no more maintained...
[10:59] <xhaker> there is no ubuntu changes
[10:59] <xhaker> the package was synched right?
[10:59] <xhaker> the changelog stating the source was patched is what puzzles me
[11:00] <xhaker> it clearly states dash-readyness
[11:03] <Toadstool> well, it's obviously not dash-ready with all those "=="
[11:03] <xhaker> that bug report has the needed patch.. is that easy
[11:04] <xhaker> but how about fixing it in debian and ubuntu?
[11:04] <phanatic> just a new upstream release: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3160 could anybody have a look at it, and upload maybe?
[11:04] <xhaker> maybe it's easier in debian and sync
[11:05] <xhaker> still the bug report is older than 1 year
[11:05] <xhaker> haha
[11:09] <Adri2000> Depends: python-central (>= 0.5), python < is it normal ?
[11:09] <Adri2000> python-central is in the B-D, but should it be also in the Depends ?
[11:10] <LaserJock> um, yes I think so
[11:10] <Adri2000> okay
[11:10] <LaserJock> because I think python-central handles the byte-compiling of the python modules when the package is installed
[11:11] <crimsun> it doesn't need to be explicit
[11:12] <crimsun> ${python:Depends} will pull that in
[11:12] <LaserJock> really?
[11:12] <LaserJock> it knows to do python-central vs python-support?
[11:12] <Adri2000> crimsun: yeah but it needs to be explicit in the B-D ?
[11:12] <crimsun> it needs to be an explicit b-d
[11:12] <xhaker> +Package: tcng
[11:12] <xhaker> +Architecture: any
[11:12] <xhaker> +Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, iproute, cpp
[11:12] <xhaker> tcng needs cpp ?
[11:13] <surimi> Toadstool, I have my killer application http://pastebin.wikistuce.info/?215 : there is no phto between this and this http://www.linotype.com/fontexplorerX :op
[11:13] <crimsun> Adri2000: I'm answering your query regarding whether p-c needs to be an explicit Depends
[11:13] <surimi> * photo
[11:14] <Adri2000> Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5.0.37.2), python-central (>= 0.5), python-gtk2-dev
[11:14] <Adri2000> Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}, ${python:Depends}
[11:14] <surimi> only 300MB and a half day to understand (?) compilation \o/
[11:14] <Adri2000> that's ok ?
[11:14] <Toadstool> phanatic: pbuilding
[11:14] <phanatic> Toadstool: thanks
[11:14] <crimsun> Adri2000: yes
[11:15] <Adri2000> uploaded :)
[11:16] <crimsun> Adri2000: you'll also need the appropriate X{B,S}-Python-Version
[11:16] <Adri2000> XB-Python-Version: ${python:Versions}
[11:16] <Adri2000> XS-Python-Version: all
[11:16] <Toadstool> phanatic: uploaded
[11:16] <crimsun> excellent
[11:18] <phanatic> Toadstool: great, thank you very much :)
[11:18] <Toadstool> there's a REVU day tomorrow?
[11:18] <LaserJock> yes, show up :-)
[11:18] <Toadstool> phanatic: np ;)
[11:19] <Toadstool> yeah!
[11:19] <LaserJock> hopefully I'll even be able to do some reviewing
[11:19] <Toadstool> :)
[11:19] <hikenboot> hello all---back again I compiled ubuntu-desktop metapackage after removing openoffice from the list of files in the desktop-i386 file it compiled a.o.k...but I get a bunch of dependency errors trying to install...if the cd already contains ubuntu-live and ubuntu-base and ubuntu-desktop does it stand to reason that all the dependencies would aready be installed?
[11:20] <LaserJock> hikenboot: how are you installing it? dpkg ?
[11:21] <hikenboot> yes with dpkg -i
[11:22] <hikenboot> also i get errors trying to run the update script in the ubuntu-meta directory so i tried without running it
[11:22] <LaserJock> dpkg doesn't automatically resolve dependencies
[11:22] <hikenboot> how would you suggest i install it...its a .deb file?
[11:22] <LaserJock> but if you already had ubuntu-desktop and just removed openoffice I would expect much difference
[11:23] <LaserJock> apt-get -f install will grab the dependencies
[11:23] <LaserJock> but make sure to look at what it's wanting to do
[11:23] <hikenboot> it wants to install every bloody desktop app under the sun which i cant see it requiring
[11:24] <LaserJock> and you already had ubuntu-desktop installed?
[11:24] <hikenboot> yes its the ubuntu live cd
[11:24] <hikenboot> for 6.06
[11:25] <LaserJock> hmm, kinda seems like your ubuntu-desktop got messed up somewhere in the proccess
[11:26] <hikenboot> i dont see how i compiled the new one from ubuntu-meta and the old one is from a fresh iso
[11:27] <hikenboot> which runs and installs to the virtual hard drive in vmware by the way
[11:28] <LaserJock> well, I'd compare the deps of both .debs
[11:29] <LaserJock> openoffice should be the only difference if all went well
[11:29] <hikenboot> perhaps i could try substituting the office suite for another package which takes considerably less space but does the same functions?
[11:33] <hikenboot> i really cant see that openoffice being a requirement for ubuntu desktop to run
[11:34] <LaserJock> well, Ubuntu wants to have a functional desktop, many people see openoffice as a part of that
[11:34] <hikenboot> I know but what I mean is for the cd to work...just work I cant see it being necessary...can you?
[11:35] <hikenboot> its not like udev ..or some library package
[11:35] <LaserJock> oh, right
[11:35] <hikenboot> maybe the problem is it needs to have the updates run
[11:35] <hikenboot> if i run ./update I get a bunch of http errors
[11:36] <LaserJock> and your network works?
[11:36] <hikenboot> is working perfectly
[11:36] <ajmitch> hi
[11:36] <hikenboot> i can browse the internet i can use apt-get everythings a.o.k.
[11:36] <LaserJock> k
[11:36] <hikenboot> not to mention xchat tworks
[11:37] <LaserJock> so you are trying to make a new ubuntu-desktop from within a livecd, right?
[11:37] <hikenboot> no i am trying to make a new ubuntu-desktop from the system no chroot
[11:37] <hikenboot> should i be doing it from inside the cd
[11:37] <hikenboot> /usr/lib/debootstrap/functions: line 875: /home/hikenboot/ubuntu-meta/ubuntu-meta-0.43/debootstrap-dir/var/lib/apt/lists/debootstrap.invalid_dists_hoary_main_binary-ia64_Packages: No such file or directory
[11:38] <LaserJock> no, I'm just not sure what you're doing
[11:38] <hikenboot> seems like its missing the ia64 files or somthing
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[12:06] <lynxorgd> http://www.cyber-wars.com/?ref=100628
[12:06] <lynxorgd> http://www.cyber-wars.com/?ref=100628
[12:06] <lynxorgd> http://www.cyber-wars.com/?ref=100628
[12:06] <eddyp> does anybody have an idea how does Ubuntu's REVU works wrt the versions of packages which are uploaded? How do I get the most recent version
[12:06] <eddyp> example: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2694
[12:07] <eddyp> where from do I get the most recent version?