[12:38] <GNUr> xinelib is buggedi edgy?
[12:38] <crimsun> "bugged"? how?
[12:39] <GNUr> amarok and other xine based application "jump"
[12:39] <crimsun> "jump"?
[12:39] <GNUr> crimsun: the sound is corrupted (sorry for my bad english")
[12:40] <crimsun> please be more precise. How does it "jump"?
[12:40] <crimsun> It works fine here on both an onboard Intel ICH6 and an M-Audio Transit USB.
[12:43] <GNUr> jump=sound is not continuous
[12:43] <GNUr> i've a via8235card (snd_via82xx)
[12:44] <GNUr> i tryed to reinstall (sudo apt-get install libxine-main1 libxine1 --reinstall)
[12:44] <GNUr> but nothing! :/
[12:49] <GNUr> crimsun: i think that it's a buffer problem :/
[12:50] <GNUr> with a large (wav) file it "jump" more!
[12:57] <crimsun> GNUr: does this occur w/ all sound?
[01:00] <GNUr> i've tryed with wma/wav/mp3... :/
[01:01] <crimsun> so it's reproducible with ``aplay -Dplughw:0,0 /usr/share/sounds/KDE*up.wav''?
[01:04] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:35] <jdong> boy it's quiet in here today
[03:36] <bddebian> aye
[03:36] <Jucato> yesh it ish
[03:36] <claydoh> football!
[03:36] <claydoh> not
[03:37] <Jucato> hi claydoh! :)
[03:39] <claydoh> hey Jucato
[03:39] <jdong> hehe, funny, Award.....
[03:40] <jdong> award BIOSes play fur elise via the pc speakers if you take off the CPU cooler
[03:40] <Jucato> Hobbsee!!
[03:41] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato!
[03:42] <jdong> hey guys, what's up with media/hal handling in edgy?
[03:42] <claydoh> jdong: i don't think I will try that out :)
[03:42] <jdong> IMO the changes made are a regression from dapper...
[03:43] <jdong> first of all, opening up Places->Media doesn't give me an all-in-one mounting area
[03:43] <jdong> it opens up /media instead
[03:43] <jdong> which is no good for unmounted hotplugged media
[03:43] <jdong> secondly, once mounted, unmounting a USB stick does NOT give me a progress dialog anymore
[03:43] <jdong> instead, it shows up unmounted while it's still syncing in the background
[03:43] <jdong> if I would've yanked it out, I would've lost all my data
[03:44] <jdong> from edgy-changes, it seems like tonio has been doing most of the media ioslave changes?
[03:46] <jdong> claydoh: surprisingly it doesn't seem to hurt Intel CPU's too much
[03:46] <jdong> claydoh: but it was an accidental discovery....
[03:46] <jdong> claydoh: our P3 Coppermine robot kind of had a steep fall off a 6 foot wall.....
[03:47] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:47] <Hobbsee> ouch
[03:47] <jdong> but I did find a dapper ACPI bug :)
[03:47] <jdong> it's kind of a disturbing one... very disturbing
[03:47] <jdong> after putting the CPU cooler back on, I looked into the syslog
[03:47] <jdong> it had "ACPI: Critical Temperature 165C reached. Powering down"
[03:47] <jdong> repeated 10 times over a 5 minute interval
[03:48] <jdong> something tells me it didn't power down as advertised :D
[03:50] <claydoh> jdong: ouch!
[03:51] <jdong> claydoh: I know. I certainly hope nobody relies on critical temp poweroff... :-/
[03:51] <Hobbsee> jdong: ah yes, i've had similar on edgy.
[03:51] <Hobbsee> i *know* my computer doesnt get that high
[03:51] <claydoh> I don't rely on it, tho I do have it set on my board
[03:52] <jdong> Hobbsee: yeah, but doesn't the fact that it says it's powering down, but your computer is still running, disturb you? ;)
[03:52] <Hobbsee> jdong: i'd just switched to upstart at the time, so no, not really
[03:52] <jdong> claydoh: AMD processors do not like being abused in that way...
[03:53] <claydoh> nope
[03:53] <jdong> intels are however, surprisingly resilient
[03:53] <claydoh> but they's cheeeep
[03:53] <jdong> claydoh: try to beat celeron prices :)
[03:53] <claydoh> but id have to buy a new board :)
[03:53] <jdong> claydoh: around here, I can get sub-$50 celeron D mobo+CPU combos
[03:53] <jdong> perfect for sticking on a robot
[03:53] <jdong> because the boys are gonna trash it pretty damn fast anyway
[03:54] <jdong> for running a 300-line python script, a celeron is plenty of power
[03:54] <jdong> heck it's replacing a 40MIP 8-bit chip :)
[03:54] <claydoh> I may do intel if I decide to build a new box instead of the constant small upgrades
[03:54] <jdong> claydoh: how can you say no to the core 2 duo? ;)
[03:55] <claydoh> $$$  I don't have atm :)
[03:55] <claydoh> my wallet says no for me lol
[03:55] <jdong> the act of transferring my divx's to his hard drive took longer than the transcoding :)
[03:55] <claydoh> heh
[03:56] <jdong> god those are powerful CPU's
[03:56] <jdong> and I've handled quite some powerful systems in my times.... FX-51's....
[03:56] <jdong> a FX-60 rendering machine....
[03:56] <claydoh> sweet
[03:57] <claydoh> my tbird 2800 is the fastest I have used
[03:57] <claydoh> oops athlon xp rather
[03:58] <claydoh> i don't get out much :)
[03:58] <jdong> aww, you're really missing out
[03:58] <claydoh> I know
[03:58] <jdong> I tell you, watching firefox compile in 2 minutes is really breathtaking
[03:58] <bddebian> Egads, what is that on?
[03:59] <Hobbsee> a) why compile firefox, b)  my gosh that's fast!
[04:00] <claydoh> heh
[04:00] <jdong> Hobbsee: a) because I wanted gcc4's stack protector on my firefox?
[04:00] <Hobbsee> jdong: ahhh..
[04:00] <jdong> Hobbsee: and turn on SSE also... it makes a bit of a difference on my core duo
[04:00] <Hobbsee> right
[04:00] <jdong> it's not that great a boost... mostly I wanted it to be using the system's GCC
[04:00] <jdong> Hobbsee: silly gentoo ricer CFLAGS tuning :)
[04:01] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:01] <jdong> Hobbsee: it's really addicting... stay away from it :P
[04:01] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:01] <Hobbsee> sure, i dont have my dual core yet :P
[04:02] <jdong> *sigh*, it's the final irritation of Intel CPU's
[04:02] <jdong> their FPU performance is still a tad weak
[04:03] <jdong> but executing FPU instructions via SSE gives a nice boost
[04:03] <jdong> however, doing the same thing on an AMD makes it go slower.... :(
[04:03] <jdong> so a distro can't really optimize for both worlds
[04:07] <bddebian> jdong: How fast can it build glibc? :-)
[04:08] <bddebian> Of course on GNU/Hurd it probably wouldn't matter ;-(
[04:08] <jdong> bddebian: I haven't tried, but he got gentoo from stage1 to full KDE + GNOME system in like 4 hours
[04:08] <Jucato> hurd....
[04:08] <jdong> maybe 5 hours.... between lunch and dinner
[04:08] <bddebian> Wow
[04:08] <jdong> yeah, it's phenomenal
[04:09] <jdong> that thing is quite possibly the fastest PC you can build
[04:09] <bddebian> Jucato: ?? :-)
[04:09] <Jucato> nothing :)
[04:09] <jdong> only thing faster would be a quad Core 2 setup :)
[04:14] <jdong> WHOA! slashdot has a 403!
[04:14] <jdong> no, wait, even better, a 500!
[04:15] <jdong> I gotta post this on slashdot... oh wait
[04:15] <Jucato> lol
[04:15] <jdong> and it's back online
[04:15] <jdong> damn are they fast
[04:15] <Jucato> not yet for me.
[04:15] <Jucato> Internal Server Error
[04:16] <jdong> it went down again
[04:16] <Jucato> up and down... reminds me of a certain forum... :P
[04:17] <Jucato> you want to kick my arse so badly? :D
[04:17] <Jucato> @lart jdong
[04:17] <Jucato> heh
[04:17] <Jucato> uh oh...
[04:18] <Jucato> ah /. is back in business
[04:18] <Hobbsee> Jucato: you saw what my hostname changed to, didnt you?  :P
[04:18] <Jucato> no I didn't...
[04:19] <Jucato> never knew you were on #kde-devel and #kde4-devel :)
[04:19] <Hobbsee> i am, i never talk though
[04:20] <Jucato> ah. A silent observer :)
[04:20] <Hobbsee> sarah@LongPointyStickOfDoom:~$ echo See the hostname and cower in fear!See the hostname and cower in fear!
[04:20] <Hobbsee> indeed
[04:20] <Jucato> lol
[04:20] <Jucato> btw, is there a way to group rooms/channels in Konversation?
[04:21] <Hobbsee> what, an auto join?
[04:21] <Jucato> I mean, group rooms in the tree-view tab
[04:21] <Hobbsee> ah
[04:21] <Hobbsee> i havent figured out how to
[04:22] <Jucato> hope it was possible...
[04:22] <Jucato> so I could close a whole group of channels if I wanted to
[04:22] <Hobbsee> file a wishlist bug?
[04:22] <Hobbsee> or ask in #konversation ?
[04:23] <Jucato> speaking of bugs... I noticed that some apps, for example KWord or kdissert, are not listed/available in Add/Remove Programs? (both Synaptic and Adept)
[05:35] <Jucato> hm...this is strange... linux-headers-386 is installed by default on Knot 3, but not linux-headers-generic
[05:46] <Hobbsee> Jucato: er, yes.  surely that shouldnt happen
[05:47] <Hobbsee> Jucato: ah, they're recommending those headers, and apt is autoinstalling them
[05:47] <ajmitch> Jucato: I believe that is known
[05:47] <Jucato> err... but shouldn't the linux-headers-generic be the ones that are recommended?
[05:48] <Jucato> well at least kubuntu-desktop is no longer dependent on the linux-headers (like it was dependent on linux-headers-686 in Knot 2)
[05:48] <Hobbsee> it effectively does.  hmm.
[05:49] <ajmitch> it'll get fixed :)
[05:49] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: will you fix it?  :P
[05:49] <ajmitch> no, because I know that other people are doing so
[05:49] <Jucato> :)
[05:50] <ajmitch> it would be a futile duplication of effort
[05:58] <Hobbsee> right
[05:58] <Hobbsee> that's your excuse.  now get reviewing
[05:58] <Jucato> lol
[06:00] <bddebian> heh
[06:01] <Hobbsee> you too, bddebian :P
[06:01] <Hobbsee> dont make me use my hostname on you
[06:01] <Jucato> hah!
[06:01] <Hobbsee> bddebian: nice :)
[06:02] <Jucato> seems like Hobbsee is in the mood to be a dominatrix today :P
[06:02] <bddebian> That's new? ;-)
[06:02] <Jucato> heh
[06:02] <Hobbsee> Jucato: heh.
[06:02] <Jucato> well, more than usual today than on any other day it seems :)
[06:02] <Hobbsee> Jucato: arent i *always* like that?  and mean, cruel, nasty and horrible :P
[06:03] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee!
[06:03] <Jucato> well, today you seem to be dominatrix++ :)
[06:03] <Jucato> hi nixternal!
[06:03] <Hobbsee> hey nixternal 
[06:03] <nixternal> hiya Jucato
[06:03] <nixternal> nixternal == owned by sun
[06:03] <nixternal> im in pain
[06:04] <Hobbsee> Jucato: heh, right.
[06:06] <bddebian> Gads there is just tooo much on REVU :'-(
[06:06] <Hobbsee> bddebian: i cleaned some of it up too :P
[06:12] <ajmitch> bddebian: just take it 1 package at a time - I'll get into reviewing in a couple of hours after I finish up at work
[06:13] <bddebian> Not that anything I do matters much, mind you :-)
[06:13] <Hobbsee> bddebian: of course it does.  stop being silly.
[06:15] <nixternal> i have 3 things on revu awaiting ;)
[06:15] <nixternal> soon to be 4 ;)
[06:17] <nixternal> gwenview 1.4.0 | koverartist | kxstitch | schafkopf
[06:18] <nixternal> awaiting someone to tell me how bad they are ;)
[06:18] <bddebian> Bah KDE packages pfft ;-P
[06:18] <Hobbsee> !info gwenview main
[06:18] <nixternal> i will work on other packages if need be bddebian, just point me to some
[06:18] <ubotu> gwenview: image viewer for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 1.3.1-0ubuntu5 (dapper), package size 1981 kB, installed size 4676 kB
[06:18] <Hobbsee> !info gwenview edgy
[06:18] <ubotu> gwenview: image viewer for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 1.3.92b-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 587 kB, installed size 2060 kB
[06:18] <Hobbsee> nixternal: got a UVF exception for gwenview?
[06:18] <nixternal> 1.4.0 is hot off the presses
[06:18] <nixternal> nope
[06:18] <Hobbsee> better get to it :P
[06:19] <nixternal> jeesh ;)
[06:19] <nixternal> point me in the right direction
[06:19] <Hobbsee> oh, sure
[06:19] <nixternal> im doing the same
[06:19] <nixternal> found it
[06:20] <Hobbsee> If the package is in main or restricted, mail Matt Zimmerman <[MAILTO]  mdz@ubuntu.com> and Colin Watson <[MAILTO]  cjwatson@ubuntu.com> with a short description of the requested change and the section of the upstream changelog describing that change. You may also do this from within Malone by assigning a bug to [WWW]  Ubuntu Release Team.
[06:20] <Hobbsee> yep
[06:20] <nixternal> that is different than the UVF wiki page ;)
[06:22] <Hobbsee> that was on developerresources
[06:22] <Hobbsee> it's all quite out of date though
[06:22] <ajmitch> nixternal: when in doubt, ask on irc
[06:22] <nixternal> all i need to do is file a bug, summary 'UVF - New Upstream Releasae' and assign it to Ubuntu Release Team?
[06:23] <ajmitch> you need to give far more detail than that
[06:23] <ajmitch> like upstream changelog, diffstat, build logs, etc
[06:23] <nixternal> well ya
[06:23] <ajmitch> if possible :)
[06:23] <nixternal> oh jeesh
[06:23] <ajmitch> subscribe, don't assign
[06:23] <nixternal> what have i gotten myself into ;)
[06:24] <Hobbsee> i was thinking about it, actually
[06:41] <nixternal>  gwenview-1.4.0.tar.bz2 |binary
[06:41] <nixternal>  1 file changed
[06:41] <nixternal> that is all there is to a diffstat?
[06:41] <nixternal> or am i doing something wrong
[06:44] <nixternal> i did a lot wrong ;)
[06:47] <nixternal> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gwenview/+bug/60997
[06:47] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 60997 in gwenview "UVF - New Upstream Release" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  
[06:47] <nixternal> i think that is ok
[06:48] <nixternal> hehe
[06:49] <nixternal> damn hobbsee, slow down...right as i goto autocomplete bigscaryhobbsee you changed ;)
[06:49] <BigScaryHobbsee> nixternal: hehe
[06:49] <nixternal> i got that backwards, but oh well
[06:49] <nixternal> i think i did the UVF somewhat correct
[06:50] <nixternal> i subscribed the release team, added the logs
[06:50] <nixternal> i test built it here, and i even installed it...it looks like it works here
[07:21] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: yea i almost got it finished ( i finshed releading it last night but i dident add any ssh accounts before i went to sleep )
[07:21] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: fair enough, i havent done anything today needing it
[07:21] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: give me a few minutes and i'll have it almost ready
[07:21] <Hobbsee> and i finally got the scripts on stevenk's machine sorted out, so that's usuable too
[07:22] <imbrandon> heh
[07:22] <Hobbsee> i have work soon
[07:22] <Hobbsee> and then i get days off!
[07:22] <imbrandon> cool
[07:22] <imbrandon> i changed the name this time too
[07:22] <Hobbsee> nice
[07:22] <Hobbsee> what to?
[07:22] <imbrandon> same computer just a new name , voyager was getting old
[07:22] <Hobbsee> ah
[07:24] <imbrandon> horatio
[07:24] <imbrandon> is the new name sorry gropped the mouse
[07:24] <Hobbsee> ah
[07:25] <imbrandon> like i said though exact same computer justa new name ( and a fresh install )
[07:26] <imbrandon> ugh ok, time for a shower and such , brb
[07:28] <freeflying> hi Hobbsee imbrandon 
[07:28] <Hobbsee> hey freeflying 
[07:40] <imbrandon> heya freeflying 
[07:40] <imbrandon> moins raphink 
[07:41] <Jucato> aw.. Hobbsee's gone... :)
[07:41] <Jucato> hi imbrandon!
[07:41] <imbrandon> elllo
[07:41] <raphink> hi imbrandon
[07:41] <raphink> && Jucato
[07:41] <Jucato> hi raphink! :)
[07:42] <raphink> #ubuntu-ph ....
[07:42] <raphink> hmmmm
[07:43] <Jucato> Philippines
[07:43] <raphink> ooh!
[07:43] <raphink> ok :)
[07:43] <Jucato> :)
[07:43] <raphink> I was 1000 miles away from that ;)
[07:43] <raphink> your name sounds rather Spanish
[07:44] <Jucato> heh yeah
[07:44] <Jucato> but I look Chinese :P
[07:44] <raphink> hehe
[07:44] <Jucato> (or Japanese, or Korean, depends on the person saying it...)
[07:44] <raphink> hehe
[07:44] <crimsun> I'm pretty sure you look like "Jucato".
[07:44] <Jucato> hah
[07:44] <raphink> well Chinese, Japanese and Korean look very different 
[07:44] <Jucato> that's for sure :)
[07:44] <raphink> crimsun: very good point :)
[07:45] <Jucato> well, some Filpino-Chinese people think I'm Chinese, and some Korean students thought I was one of them
[07:45] <Jucato> and someone who worked in Japan said I could be mistaken for a Japanese...
[07:46] <raphink> ah
[08:36] <_Sime_> If/when Tonio shows up here, can someone tell him that  the KDE media patches wiki page is updated.
[08:37] <_Sime_> with new patches that is.
[08:37] <Jucato> sure :)
[11:25] <sebas> Is someone going to package the new gwenview?
[11:26] <sebas> It looks quite interesting ... 
[11:26] <sebas> http://gwenview.sourceforge.net/
[11:26] <Jucato> I think nixternal will?
[11:27] <imbrandon> sebas: i can look at it
[11:27] <imbrandon> moins
[11:27] <Jucato> hi imbrandon! :)
[11:28] <Jucato> video support??
[11:30] <imbrandon> looks like its just some maint stuff compaired to what we have, woner if its woth the uvf ? /me looks a little more
[11:33] <imbrandon> Tonio__: _Sime_  has some new stufff for you on the wiki
[11:33] <Tonio__> yo$
[11:33] <Tonio_> imbrandon: great
[11:34] <Jucato> :)
[11:34] <imbrandon> i would have done it but i dident know if you had other kdebase uploads
[11:36] <Tonio_> _Sime_: I'm uploading everything
[11:38] <Tonio_> _Sime_: kdebase_3.5.4_sime_kio_v4.diff , 404, error....
[11:41] <zorglu_> some tools keep dumping their debug log on the tty (e.g. kate with the ScimInputContextPlugin() and kate), is this a bug being worked on ? or just the coder forgot to remove its debug before releasing ?
[11:45] <imbrandon> afaik thats standard for gui apps run from tty to dump info
[11:45] <Riddell> zorglu_: the ScimInputContextPlugin is from qt's scim patch I'd guess, if you want to track it down that would be great
[11:45] <Riddell> imbrandon: it seems to be common in kde apps for some reason but it's not desirable
[11:45] <Jucato> imbrandon: how about the Bad Device errors?
[11:46] <Riddell> Jucato: that's qt talking to X, there's not much can be done about that
[11:46] <imbrandon> Jucato: thats becouse you have unused devices in your xorg.conf
[11:46] <zorglu_>  it's not desirable <- i definitly agree, as it is uselessly scray for the user
[11:46] <zorglu_> scary i meant
[11:46] <imbrandon> ;)
[11:46] <Jucato> yes, wacom entries that are put there by the default installation
[11:46] <imbrandon> Jucato: yes delete those and it go's away ;)
[11:47] <Jucato> heh yeah :)
[11:47] <Jucato> people still panic about it though...
[11:47] <imbrandon> yea, uneededly but yea
[11:48] <imbrandon> imho debconf should be smart enough not to put those in if not needed but i stay away from X as much as possible ( code wise )
[11:48] <Jucato> so there's nothing that can be done about that? making it less scary? :P
[11:49] <Jucato> question: why does xorg.conf have wacom entries even if you don't have one? isn't it set during installation?
[11:49] <imbrandon> something can always be done ;) its just a matter of what ;)
[11:50] <Tonio_> imbrandon: there is one patch that I can't download.... we need  to wait for _Sime_
[11:50] <imbrandon> Jucato: yea the default config includes them so laptops with wacom pointers work ootb
[11:50] <Jucato> aaah
[11:50] <imbrandon> Tonio_: ok , i was just passing along the message
[11:50] <Tonio_> imbrandon: sure ;)
[11:51] <Riddell> ah, silly scim debugging is in scim-qtimm
[11:51] <imbrandon> ;)
[11:52] <imbrandon> Tonio_: you want to file a uvf for gwenview 1.4.0 since you touched it last , or .....
[11:52] <Tonio_> imbrandon: hum, new stable release ?
[11:52] <imbrandon> yea
[11:52] <Tonio_> great, will do thanks
[11:52] <imbrandon> http://gwenview.sourceforge.net/
[11:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: I will ping pitti for digikam too
[11:55] <imbrandon> Tonio_: you have digicam listed twice on the MIR queue page too ( not that it really matters )
[11:55] <Tonio_> imbrandon: ah ?
[11:55] <Tonio_> yes, I know
[11:55] <Tonio_> for has been rejected due to dependancies in universe
[11:55] <imbrandon> no i mean its listed two times in the unreviewed section
[11:56] <imbrandon> at the top and bottom of the list
[11:56] <imbrandon> err top and third from the bottom
[11:56] <Tonio_> imbrandon: can't download gwenview
[11:56] <Tonio_> tarball is dead on upstream website.......
[11:56] <Tonio_> what a horrible morning........
[11:56] <imbrandon> hum i just grabbed it, its sf.net prdownload site
[11:57] <Tonio_> ah in sourceforge :)
[11:57] <imbrandon> yea http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/gwenview/gwenview-1.4.0.tar.bz2
[12:10] <imbrandon> Tonio_: i hope you ment a UVFe not a MIR for gwenview 
[12:10] <imbrandon> ;)
[12:19] <Riddell> packages for gwenview would help us to review if it's stable
[12:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have the package
[12:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: wanna test the deb ?
[12:21] <Riddell> Tonio_: please
[12:21] <_Sime_> Tonio_: which patch can't you d/l?
[12:22] <Tonio_> _Sime_: kio v4
[12:23] <Tonio_> Riddell, imbrandon: http://tonio.homelinux.org/tmp/gwenview_1.4.0-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[12:23] <imbrandon> wget http://tonio.homelinux.org/tmp/gwenview_1.4.0-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[12:23] <imbrandon> gah
[12:23] <Tonio_> imbrandon: hu ?
[12:23] <Jucato> :)
[12:24] <imbrandon> wrong konsole window
[12:24] <Tonio_> imbrandon: have access to my ftp now ? :)
[12:24] <Tonio_> ah oki ;)
[12:24] <_Sime_> Tonio_: fixed
[12:25] <Tonio_> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gwenview/+bug/61038
[12:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61038 in gwenview "1.3.92b -> 1.4.0 UVF Exception Request" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  
[12:25] <Tonio_> done
[12:26] <Tonio_> _Sime_: thanks ;)
[12:27] <imbrandon> hrm _Sime_ does the "file -> open" kde dialog honur the .hidden ?
[12:27] <imbrandon> or is it just gwenviews file _. open
[12:27] <imbrandon> s/_./->/g
[12:28] <Riddell> uses kmplayer, funky
[12:30] <Tonio_> _Sime_: great, I'm building and if that's okay, uploading
[12:31] <imbrandon> hrm i only get a blue screen when trying to play video but i'm gessing its a codec thing
[12:31] <_Sime_> cool
[12:31] <imbrandon> i probably dont have all my codecs reinstalled yet
[12:32] <Tonio_> _Sime_: I changed the wikipage
[12:34] <Tonio_> I really have issues with mysql on dapper.......
[12:34] <Tonio_> 5959 mysql     15   0  112m  23m 4296 S 54.9  2.4  17:20.46 mysqld
[12:35] <Tonio_> 55% cpu usage average....
[12:35] <imbrandon> wow
[12:36] <imbrandon> i never pay attn to how much cpu it eats up on my server ( dapper )
[12:36] <Tonio_> imbrandon: I tested my website, but that doesn't seem to be the cause
[12:36] <Tonio_> I'm going to 90% without any mysql process running....
[12:36] <Tonio_> imbrandon: I'll probably try a backport
[12:37] <Tonio_> imbrandon: talking about that, we should backport flashplayer to dapper, since current package fails....
[12:37] <imbrandon> hrm are you going by top? i can look at mine real fast
[12:37] <Tonio_> imbrandon: url has changed so it cannot download it again
[12:37] <imbrandon> Tonio_: yea its been requested afaik, if not i'll do it here in a sec
[12:37] <Tonio_> imbrandon: yeah using top
[12:40] <imbrandon> Tonio_: here is top running on my dapper server , dosent seem to be a problem there ( apt-mirror , imap , and rsync all take more cpu )  http://federation.imbrandon.com/ss100.png
[12:40] <Tonio_> imbrandon: yeah....
[12:40] <Tonio_> I suspect a mysql bug on certain query....
[12:41] <Tonio_> _Sime_: kickermedia fails to apply, I'm rebuilding your patch
[12:49] <Tonio_> _Sime_: looks like a part of your patch is reversed ;)
[12:49] <Tonio_> the Makefile.in part
[12:57] <ajmitch> Tonio_: wasn't there already a UVF request filed?
[12:57] <ajmitch> bug 60997
[12:57] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 60997 in gwenview "UVF - New Upstream Release" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60997
[12:59] <Riddell> we've very thorough
[01:00] <ajmitch> obviously
[01:01] <Tonio_> ajmitch: argh ! I missed this one
[01:01] <Tonio_> it would be nice if people asking for UVF would ping us ;)
[01:01] <imbrandon> heh
[01:01] <Riddell> well it's nixternal 
[01:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah okay
[01:03] <Tonio_> ajmitch: sorry for this...
[01:03] <Tonio_> imbrandon: looks like we've done wrong this time :)
[01:03] <imbrandon> heh
[01:03] <imbrandon> yea probably should have searched LP
[01:04] <Tonio_> imbrandon: yup.... and I should have checked after you asked me to write it...
[01:04] <imbrandon> welp just mark one a dupe and we'll know better , make sure and tell mdz/kamoin in the email one is a dupe
[01:04] <imbrandon> hrm anyone know who Burdick, Perry  pburdick@mccanntech.org is
[01:05] <Tonio_> imbrandon: can you do it ? I'm on _Sime_'s patch since I have to rebuild them....
[01:05] <imbrandon> Tonio_: sure
[01:14] <ajmitch> Tonio_: well it was discussed in here earlier :)
[01:14] <imbrandon> okie all fixed up
[01:14] <ajmitch> Tonio_: no need to apologise to me, I just spotted the duplicate in #u-bugs
[01:14] <imbrandon> hrm i wish pburdick@mccanntech.org was on irc , guess i'll email them
[01:14] <imbrandon> lo kwwii_ 
[01:14] <kwwii_> moin imbrandon
[01:17] <imbrandon> anyone wanna sponsor kubunturocks.com ( just the purchace of the dmain its self not hosting ) so I can setup a free jabber service on it ? hehe
[01:17] <imbrandon> domain*
[01:32] <Tonio_> _Sime_: I'm sorry but I can't apply your patches...
[01:32] <Tonio_> _Sime_: they seem to conflict with other ones we already have...
[01:32] <Tonio_> _Sime_: things are reverted sometimes....
[01:34] <Tonio_> _Sime_: ping me when you're available so that I'm resuming the problem
[01:36] <Riddell> kwwii_: what do you want to do about the last icon on the ksplash?
[01:37] <Jucato> do the input fields/labels in the login screen look a bit off-center?
[01:37] <kwwii_> Riddell: well, either move it up in line with the rest or make it a bit bigger so that it stands out at the bottom more
[01:38] <kwwii_> Riddell: why are the new window buttons not in kwin-crystal...are they in a diffferent package?
[01:38] <kwwii_> Jucato: they should be at the 50% point
[01:39] <Riddell> kwwii_: they are, they're in the patch in debian/patches
[01:39] <Riddell> which is uuencoded
[01:39] <Jucato> kwwii_: maybe just an effect of having a bigger space between the menu button and the input fields than between the enter button and the input fields?
[01:39] <kwwii_> Riddell: so when I apt-get  the sources how can I get them?
[01:40] <kwwii_> Jucato: could be
[01:41] <Riddell> kwwii_: make -f debian/rules apply-patches
[01:41] <Riddell> should make them appear
[01:42] <kwwii_> hehe, no rule to make target
[01:43] <kwwii_> I have my old versions, I can copy over the really old ones
[01:43] <freeflying> Riddell: did you upload scim-qtimm? it was rejacted
[01:43] <kwwii_> I just wanted to do this the right way
[01:43] <Jucato> kwwii_: http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i206/jucato/screenshots/login.png
[01:44] <kwwii_> Jucato: guess I should move the enter key 5 pixels to the right
[01:44] <Riddell> oh, it's not cdbs
[01:44] <Riddell> kwwii_: make -f debian/rules  config.status
[01:44] <Riddell> freeflying: I did
[01:45] <Riddell> freeflying: oops, uploaded to dapper
[01:45] <freeflying> :)
[01:46] <Riddell> re-uploaded to edgy
[01:48] <kwwii_> ok, so which package is uudecode in? (not uudeview)
[01:49] <imbrandon> kwwii_: sharutils
[01:50] <Riddell> kwwii_: sharutils
[01:50] <imbrandon> ;)
[01:51] <kwwii_> oh, man...this is too much work...
[01:51] <kwwii_> make: dh_testdir: Command not found
[01:51] <imbrandon> kwwii_: sudo apt-get build-dep <package-with-artwork>
[01:51] <imbrandon> it will grab everything you need to do that 
[01:52] <imbrandon> but thats in build-essential / devscripts ( you'll probably want those working with packages )
[01:53] <kwwii_> I installed build-essential
[01:53] <imbrandon> install devscripts
[01:53] <kwwii_> but doing this for kwin-style-crystal installs 58 other packages
[01:53] <imbrandon> oh wow
[01:53] <Tm_T> =)
[01:53] <kwwii_> I mean, I wanted to change a few buttons is all :-)
[01:53] <kwwii_> I am sure we would make this harder yet
[01:54] <imbrandon> heheh welcome to our world, just teasin, hold on lemme see if i can grab just the images and put them on ftp for ya
[01:54] <imbrandon> you want the images from kwin-style-crystal is all ?
[01:54] <kwwii_> I have it now
[01:54] <kwwii_> thanks anyway
[01:55] <imbrandon> hehe okies
[01:57] <kwwii_> hehe, mark is now doing conf calls with the ubuntu art people to get the work done
[01:58] <imbrandon> wow
[01:58] <imbrandon> something wasent getting done ?
[01:58] <Tm_T> :O
[02:01] <kwwii_> so...now that I applied that patch, someone tell me what the .rej files are for?
[02:01] <kwwii_> the .orig seem to be the new ones, the normal file names the old ones
[02:02] <Tm_T> rej file contains stuff that didn't apply iirc
[02:05] <Riddell> kwwii_: it should just apply cleanly
[02:06] <Riddell> kwwii_: unless you've already changed the fie
[02:06] <Riddell> files
[02:06] <\sh> Riddell: short update why python-qt3 is not installable? I'm too lazy to check now ;) 
[02:06] <Riddell> \sh: seems installed to me
[02:06] <Riddell> who says it's not installable?
[02:09] <\sh> Riddell: forget about it...kubuntu-desktop wasn't installable last friday...and amarok and python-qt3 was removed automagically from dist-upgrade...now it's installable agan
[02:11] <\sh> moins btw
[02:12] <Riddell> moin moin
[02:16] <kwwii_> hi \sh
[02:19] <Tonio_> re
[02:19] <Tonio_> my internet connection sucks today...
[02:25] <Riddell> ok, kubuntu-default-setting and ksplash should be all sorted now
[02:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: cool, you repatched it ?
[02:26] <imbrandon> woot
[02:26] <Riddell> yes
[02:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: rocking :)
[02:26] <kwwii_> Riddell: thanks :-)
[02:28] <imbrandon> lo Hobbsee 
[02:30] <Riddell> err, what happened to katapult in kde svn?
[02:30] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: nooo stick, you cruel!
[02:30] <Hobbsee> i ate it, i was hungry.
[02:30] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee!
[02:30] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: the woman deserves it.
[02:30] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato 
[02:30] <Tm_T> =)
[02:30] <Tm_T> what woman
[02:31] <Hobbsee> hence the bad mood
[02:31] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: an idiot that thought she coudl come in 5 mins before close, get a full trolley of stuff, and expect the store stay open for her.  there's another supermarket about 100 m away, in the same shopping complex, open for another 2 hours.
[02:32] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: =)
[02:32] <Jucato> foolish mortal... :P
[02:32] <Hobbsee> heh
[02:32] <imbrandon> Riddell: is it messed up ?
[02:32] <imbrandon> ( katapult )
[02:32] <Riddell> imbrandon: no found it
[02:32] <imbrandon> ahh 
[02:32] <Riddell> was looking in playground, it's in extragear
[02:32] <Tm_T> Jucato: you mean meatbag
[02:32] <Jucato> heh :)
[02:34] <Tonio_> ho concerning the kapatult/amarok were you able to reproduce ?
[02:34] <imbrandon> heh that sounds normal to me ( leaste arround here ) but what isnt normal is two suppermarkets 100m from each other ?
[02:34] <Tonio_> mez confirms the issue but it works here, so I don't understand
[02:34] <Hobbsee> yeah.  i'm not quite sure why they did that.  oh, there's another supermarket right next to the other one
[02:34] <Tonio_> unless I missed what the real problem is
[02:34] <imbrandon> Tonio_: works here too i dunno what mez was taking aobut 
[02:34] <Hobbsee> as in, not opposite to us
[02:35] <Tonio_> imbrandon: maybe scanning amaroks database and not launching mp3's
[02:35] <Jucato> Tonio_: if you try to play some music in Amarok by searching/launching it from Katapult?
[02:35] <imbrandon> Jucato: yea works for me(tm)
[02:35] <Tonio_> Jucato: yes....
[02:35] <Jucato> ...
[02:35] <Tonio_> Jucato: that should be impossible according to mez but it works here....
[02:36] <imbrandon> me also and i'm on a fresh install
[02:36] <Jucato> fresh Dapper?
[02:36] <Tonio_> edgy
[02:36] <Jucato> ah.. hm..
[02:36] <imbrandon> dapper? we dont need no stinking dapper
[02:36] <imbrandon> ;)
[02:36] <Tm_T> =)
[02:36] <Jucato> er.. it was running on another desktop already :P
[02:37] <Tonio_> imbrandon: I'm completly lost with sime's patches....
[02:37] <imbrandon> Tonio_: i can do them if you want , i did the last few
[02:37] <Tonio_> certain parts are reversed
[02:37] <Tonio_> imbrandon: you will have the same issue :)
[02:37] <imbrandon> certain parts are reversed ?
[02:37] <Tonio_> the latest patch cannot by applied simply because half of the patch is already in kde tarball...
[02:37] <Tonio_> imbrandon: yes
[02:38] <Tonio_> - instead of + etc....
[02:38] <Tonio_> but not for the all patch
[02:38] <Tonio_> imbrandon: I assume he didn't diff from the tarball but from an already patches one
[02:38] <imbrandon> hrm he is using dapper to do all this afaik so we might have to modify it a bit
[02:38] <Tonio_> imbrandon: I'll make a point with him toonight
[02:39] <Tonio_> imbrandon: yes but dapper 3.5.4 is the same that edgy ;)
[02:39] <Tonio_> except patches, but that's not patches conflict
[02:39] <Tonio_> imbrandon: I'm talking about the orig
[02:39] <imbrandon> right
[02:39] <Tonio_> imbrandon: an example : 
[02:40] <Tonio_> in kdesktop/Makefile.in :
[02:40] <Tonio_>  GMSGFMT = @GMSGFMT@
[02:40] <Tonio_> +GREP = @GREP@
[02:40] <Tonio_>  HALBACKEND = @HALBACKEND@
[02:40] <Tonio_> he adds this...
[02:40] <Tonio_> then :
[02:40] <Tonio_>  GMSGFMT = @GMSGFMT@
[02:40] <Tonio_> +GREP = @GREP@
[02:40] <Tonio_>  HALBACKEND = @HALBACKEND@
[02:41] <Tonio_> that's from the orig tarball
[02:41] <Tonio_> oups, sorry, repasting :
[02:41] <Tonio_> tonio@kubuntu:~/Desktop/kdebase/kdebase-3.5.4/kdesktop$ grep -d recurse GREP ./Makefile.in
[02:41] <Tonio_> EGREP = @EGREP@
[02:41] <Tonio_> GREP = @GREP@
[02:41] <Tonio_> PACKAGE_BUGREPORT = @PACKAGE_BUGREPORT@
[02:41] <Tonio_> so the patch is wrong...
[02:41] <Jucato> hm.. so strange.. katapult/amarok problem still happens on an almost fresh install of Edgy (on VMWare)
[02:41] <imbrandon> soo umm hrm 
[02:41] <Tonio_> Jucato: maybe the issue is database scanning, not file launching....
[02:41] <Tonio_> so because I had a working database before, it still works...
[02:41] <Jucato> hmm....
[02:42] <Tonio_> imbrandon: agreed that there is an issue here ? ;)
[02:42] <Tonio_> imbrandon: could be reversed patch, but no, since there are other parts of the patch for the same file that are valid...
[02:42] <Tonio_> imbrandon: that's why I think he missed something
[02:43] <imbrandon> Tonio_: yea , i'm about to lay down for a nap, i'll grab the patches and the current source and see if i can figure out what he was doing, if not we'll talk to him tonight
[02:43] <Tonio_> imbrandon: kio v4 is valid
[02:43] <Tonio_> imbrandon: kicker media is valid except a reversed section, I have fixed this...
[02:43] <Tonio_> imbrandon: the new patch is crappy, here is the point
[02:43] <imbrandon> k
[02:44] <Tonio_> but concerning the reversed section I'm not sure if we have to reverse it or remove it...
[02:44] <Tonio_> can be both in fact, depending on what the error was when he did the patch
[02:44] <imbrandon> we might have to convince him to upgrade to edgy and debdiff the cahnges ;)
[02:44] <Tonio_> imbrandon: hehe indeed
[02:45] <Tonio_> imbrandon: he can simply grab the edgy source package and provide the patches himself
[02:45] <Tonio_> imbrandon: no need for edgy to work on it....
[02:45] <imbrandon> or a chroot but afaik he does it on his running system then makes the patches
[02:46] <imbrandon> anyhow i'm gonna laydown for a nap, back in a few hours , i'll get on the lappy for a bit and look brb
[03:22] <Tonio___> WOW : http://benheck.com/Games/Xbox360/x360_page_5.htm
[03:22] <Tonio___> amazing what this guy did
[03:24] <jjesse> that is awesome, i saw it earlier on slashdot or something and was really impressed.
[03:24] <jjesse> wish they sold them ;)
[03:24] <Jucato> whoa...
[03:27] <Hobbsee> jdong: i'm still laughing.
[03:27] <Hobbsee> that's the quote of the night.
[03:27] <Hobbsee> nah, just file a bug as requested, what's the problem?
[03:27] <Hobbsee> you asked a silly question, and got the answer you deserved.
[03:28] <jdong> Hobbsee: it wouldn't be the first time ubiquity was broken on an install cd :)
[03:28] <jdong> ahem, every single Dapper testing cd
[03:28] <jdong> :)
[03:28] <Hobbsee> jdong: well, true, but when it's the way they're pushing everyone to install off it
[03:28] <Hobbsee> or most to
[03:28] <Hobbsee> i'd imagine that was something in your system
[03:28] <Hobbsee> it works for a whole lot of people - those of you who it doesnt, you need to file a bug :P
[03:28] <jdong> a hairball :)
[03:28] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:29] <jdong> *sigh*, that means I need to walk down to my basement
[03:29] <Hobbsee> you mean you came out of your basement?
[03:29] <jdong> two flights of stairs is a bit too much for me to handle right now...
[03:29] <jdong> and plus, my torrent of mythbusters just finished
[03:30] <jdong> bye bye, suckers!
[03:30] <jdong> :)
[03:30] <Daniloc> :)
[03:30] <jdong> and oh by the way, I had to backport Ktorrent 2.0.2 to edgy so the damn download wouldn't lock up
[03:30] <jdong> and I'm not in the mood for dealing with kamion again today
[03:30] <jdong> so someone please poke him to let that UVF through
[03:31] <Hobbsee> you had to backport it to edgy, or to dapper
[03:31] <jdong> edgy
[03:31] <Hobbsee> if you had to backport it to edgy, what did you backport from?  *g*
[03:31] <jdong> upstream :)
[03:31] <jdong> there's a UVF for ktorrent 2.0.2 sitting in launchpad idle for weeks now
[03:32] <jdong> bug #58139
[03:32] <Ubug2> Malone bug 58139 in ktorrent "UVF exception request ktorrent 2.0.1 -> 2.0.2" [Low,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/58139
[03:33] <Hobbsee> right
[03:34] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:34] <Hobbsee> kamion's never tried to eat me
[03:34] <jdong> he typically doesn't swallow me whole
[03:35] <_Sime_> Tonio_: ping
[03:35] <Hobbsee> hey _Sime_ 
[03:35] <Tonio_> _Sime_: hey ;)
[03:35] <Tonio_> _Sime_: probably better go in private making a point on those patches :)
[03:35] <Hobbsee> hah
[03:36] <Hobbsee> you're about to get yelled at, it seems :P
[03:36] <Jucato> lol
[03:36] <jjesse> sounds like someone is in trouble +*
[03:38] <Tonio_> _Sime_: I /msg you the situation
[03:39] <Hobbsee> Jucato: whyever not?
[03:39] <_Sime_> I see that.
[03:39] <_Sime_> wait a sec
[03:39] <Jucato> Hobbsee: coz I'm too young to be eaten :P
[03:39] <Hobbsee> Jucato: _Sime_'s not a MOTU>
[03:39] <Jucato> ooh... aaah... :)
[03:39] <jdong> Jucato: ooh, you can join backports, which is where people who don't want to MOTU go!
[03:40] <Hobbsee> lol
[03:40] <Jucato> lol
[03:40] <jdong> imbrandon: aren't you supposed to be napping? :P
[03:40] <Hobbsee> heh, no, i was just laughing
[03:40] <Hobbsee> and my whip is always ready.
[03:40] <imbrandon> jdong: that wouldent be good , as the quality of the requests would deminish farther than it alrady is
[03:41] <jdong> kicking party?
[03:41] <Jucato> wee! my first kick!
[03:41] <Jucato> lol
[03:41] <Jucato> hm..
[03:41] <Jucato> >:)
[03:41] <abattoir> wth?
[03:41] <Jucato> yay! someone I could kick!
[03:42] <_Sime_> Tonio_: I assume that the kdebase.3.5.4.orig.tar.gz never changes.
[03:42] <jdong> suddenly the maturity in this room drops to #ubuntuforums
[03:42] <Riddell> _Sime_: correct
[03:42] <Jucato> jdong: sssh! don't say the magic word in front of imbrandon :P
[03:42] <jdong> Jucato: that's still an IRC channel
[03:42] <jdong> that ironically we are not affiliated with 
[03:42] <Jucato> ??
[03:42] <jdong> #ubuntuforums is an IRC channel
[03:42] <Jucato> ok now that's just confusing and weird...
[03:42] <abattoir> Riddell: Kamion has uploaded 1.3(which fixes a bug in oem-config, and has kde-ui as a default option), i'll try the next build available
[03:43] <jdong> Jucato: I know. and it's costing the real forums in reputation,  too
[03:43] <Riddell> abattoir: great
[03:43] <Tonio_> _Sime_: hehe yes :)
[03:43] <Jucato> heh. well I do see some names from #ubuntuforums that are also on the forums
[03:43] <jdong> Jucato:  yeah, there are some people who overlap
[03:44] <Jucato> (like you)
[03:44] <jdong> some of the mods in the channel are also ops
[03:45] <_jdong> :)
[03:45] <Hobbsee> :P
[03:45] <jdong> k, an on-topic question, what's up with hotpluggable media handling recently in edgy?
[03:46] <jdong> it's worse than it was in dapper, IMO
[03:46] <imbrandon> thats helpfull ....
[03:46] <Riddell> jdong: we're testing some patches from _Sime_ 
[03:46] <jdong> imbrandon: I'm just stating my opinion, not trying to flame anyone or cause offense
[03:46] <jdong> the unmount progress dialog is gone
[03:47] <imbrandon> no no i mean whats wrong with it , other then "its broke" , dident say you was flamin
[03:47] <imbrandon> ;)
[03:47] <jdong> and there's no more media:/ to watch all the mount points
[03:47] <jdong> imbrandon: if you give me a second to type ;)
[03:47] <imbrandon> its /media
[03:47] <jdong> imbrandon: /media does not show unmounted media
[03:47] <imbrandon> same options as media:/
[03:47] <Jucato> jdong: it does
[03:47] <imbrandon> it does if there is mount points
[03:47] <jdong> imbrandon: insert a USB stick, hit cancel on the popup dialog (to bypass mounting).
[03:47] <Jucato> it shows a different icon for unmounted media
[03:47] <jdong> it does NOT show my usb stick
[03:48] <jdong> it shows a regular folder for usbdisk
[03:48] <jdong> clicking it does not mount it
[03:48] <jdong> and right click does not have any mount options
[03:48] <jdong> I have to mount it from the initial pop-up dialog
[03:48] <jdong> or it will not show up in /media
[03:49] <jdong> same goes for optical media
[03:49] <imbrandon> write it up on /KubuntuKDEMedia then what the behavure is and the expected behavure with the new patches is
[03:49] <Jucato> hm... optical media shows up fine here
[03:49] <Tonio_> _Sime_: I have to go for 30 minutes
[03:49] <_Sime_> Tonio_: ok, I'll remake this patch for this evening.
[03:49] <Tonio_> _Sime_: great
[03:49] <imbrandon> Riddell: they dident before ?
[03:49] <Riddell> no
[03:50] <imbrandon> ouch
[03:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: which files ?
[03:50] <Jucato> Riddell: in Knot 3, linux-headers-386 is installed by default, rather than linux-headers-generic?
[03:51] <Riddell> Tonio_: /.hidden /media/.hidden
[03:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah... indeed
[03:51] <abattoir> Jucato: i think there has been a change in the kernel naming procedure(and the variants available)... not sure though
[03:51] <Riddell> Jucato: seems so
[03:51] <_Sime_> Riddell: what are you hiding?
[03:51] <_Sime_> the link
[03:52] <jdong> Jucato: l-h-386 will pull in generic, right?
[03:52] <Jucato> jdong: no
[03:52] <imbrandon> _Sime_: they are your .hidden files
[03:52] <imbrandon> jdong: no
[03:52] <Jucato> l-h-386 pulls in l-h-2.6.17-7-386
[03:52] <jdong> oh wow, we actually have a 386 kernel
[03:52] <jdong> I thought we kissed that sucker goodbye :P
[03:52] <Jucato> so did I :)
[03:53] <Jucato> transition phase probably
[03:53] <imbrandon> the transition isnt complete it doesnt look like
[03:53] <imbrandon> nothing to see here move along
[03:53] <jdong> oh speaking of that, anyone knows how to turn off SMP at bootup?
[03:53] <imbrandon> ;)
[03:53] <Jucato> lol
[03:53] <imbrandon> jdong: ask in -kernel and why would you want to ?
[03:53] <Riddell> _Sime_: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23882
[03:53] <jdong> imbrandon: sadly there are some drivers that still barf when SMP is on :(
[03:54] <jdong> *cough* Ralink rt2x00
[03:54] <jdong> and in choosing between kernel panic or losing half your processing power....
[03:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: ./Makefile:     install -m644 kde-hidden/hidden-media "$(DESTDIR)/media/.hidden"
[03:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: is there something wrong there ?
[03:54] <Riddell> Tonio_: nope, but the files aren't in the .install file
[03:54] <_Sime_> Riddell: cool
[03:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay
[03:59] <Hawkwind> I just did an update to my system and it updated clamav stuff and I got all this stuff, can someone tell me what it means and if it's something wrong with my system or the package itself:  http://pastebin.ulteo.us/110
[04:00] <Riddell> something debconf related is broken
[04:00] <Riddell> no idea what
[04:02] <Hawkwind> As in something on my system, or within the package that got installed ?
[04:03] <jdong|laptop> *blink*
[04:03] <jdong|laptop> I swear....... ubiquity died yesterday when I clicked on it.......
[04:03] <jdong|laptop> see, Hobbsee, this is why I *asked* before making a useless LP ticket :)
[04:04] <Hobbsee> ticket or bug?
[04:04] <jdong|laptop> bug, ticket, same thing :)
[04:04] <jdong|laptop> hell this whole laptop is a bug
[04:04] <jdong|laptop> it's not supposed to be able to boot AMD64 livecd's :)
[04:05] <jdong|laptop> but don't tell anyone I said that
[04:05] <jdong|laptop> shhhhhh
[04:07] <jdong|laptop> where do /media bug reports go under?
[04:07] <jdong|laptop> I got a screenshot showing a USB stick unmounted on my desktop, but not showing up in /media
[04:08] <Riddell> Jucato: /KubuntuKDEMedia
[04:08] <jdong|laptop> k, on the wiki?
[04:08] <imbrandon> jdong: thats not really a bug but an implmentation request / wiki
[04:09] <jdong|laptop> SOLVED: (Simon Edwards 13-8-2006) HAL doesn't send the mount point info for unmounted partitions. This stops unmounted mount points from being matched with their meta-data. (Simon Edwards 22-8-2006) . Solved in version 2 of the patches.
[04:09] <imbrandon> jdong: fyi i was just talking to celso , seems the backport fix for soyuz will drop this week , its up for revu now
[04:09] <jdong|laptop> does that sound like what I'm reporting?
[04:10] <jdong|laptop> imbrandon: excellent :)
[04:10] <imbrandon> jdong|laptop: not really i dont think
[04:10] <jdong|laptop> hmm, where on that page would I add feedback?
[04:11] <imbrandon> add a feedback section at the bottom just above the patches section i would say
[04:11] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: You ever get a chance to look at that email/bug I sent you ?
[04:11] <jdong|laptop> imbrandon: ok, I'll do that, but if doc team hunts me down I'll give them your address instead :)
[04:11] <imbrandon> Hawkwind: yea , i poke someone else about it, i'll email you the details in a bit
[04:11] <imbrandon> jdong|laptop: wth does the doc team have to do with it ? heh
[04:11] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: Many thanks
[04:12] <imbrandon> poked*
[04:12] <jdong|laptop> imbrandon: we've had run-ins with doc team regarding not following the ubuntu wiki page guidelines or stuff like that
[04:12] <jdong|laptop> doesn't doc team police the wiki?
[04:13] <imbrandon> only if its part of the help doc's
[04:13] <imbrandon> and that is not, we ( as in the KDE team ) police that page 
[04:13] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:13] <jdong|laptop> cool, that makes me feel better already
[04:14] <imbrandon> e.g the doc teams domain is help.ubuntu.com/community
[04:14] <nixternal> imbrandon: did you end up packaging gwenview?  i did it last night and placed it on revu and did the UVF for it as well
[04:15] <imbrandon> even then its a community effert ;) thus a wiki
[04:15] <imbrandon> nixternal: we seen the uvf , Tonio_  ( the last one to tuch it did also )
[04:15] <nixternal> k
[04:15] <imbrandon> for future ref you might poke the last person to touch a package ;)
[04:16] <imbrandon> just so we dont dupe efferts ;)
[04:16] <nixternal> roger that
[04:16] <imbrandon> but yea work with Tonio_ on that one, hes da man
[04:16] <Tonio_> nixternal: hey
[04:16] <Tonio_> yes, we duplicated our work
[04:17] <nixternal> sorry about that
[04:17] <imbrandon> no worries, you live and learn ;)
[04:17] <imbrandon> just for future ref
[04:18] <Tonio_> nixternal: well you did it before, I should have checked launchpad too...
[04:19] <Hobbsee> heh.  i thought i was staying out of the newsletter this week.
[04:19] <Hobbsee> toma should have been credited, not me
[04:20] <imbrandon> well i did on gobby when i was editing it but not the finished thing
[04:20] <jdong|laptop> ooh, UWN is out?
[04:22] <imbrandon> holy bejesus i'm in it tooo, i dident see that /me hides
[04:22] <imbrandon> and for a non-kde project no less, man-o-man
[04:22] <imbrandon> lol
[04:24] <jdong|laptop> Jucato: too much worship isn't healthy
[04:24] <Jucato> sez who? heh :)
[04:25] <jdong|laptop> lol, I see the space bar bug got coverage
[04:28] <imbrandon> hahah i got in for amarok 1.4.3 and core-dev also , jez 3 mentions in one news letter, that has to be a record
[04:29] <jdong|laptop> "A new medium has been detected"
[04:29] <jdong|laptop> doesn't that sound somewhat psychic?
[04:30] <imbrandon>  /win 36
[04:30] <imbrandon> err
[04:33] <Riddell> anyone want to package scribus 1.2.5 and see if we can get an UVFe?
[04:33] <Riddell> it's already in debian, just needs ubuntu changes re-applied
[04:34] <imbrandon> Riddell: if someone dosent get to it before i get up from my nap i can try
[04:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay, let's go :)
[04:34] <Tonio_> imbrandon: want to do it ?
[04:35] <imbrandon> Tonio_: dosent matter to me, i can , i just wanna sleep first heheh
[04:35] <Tonio_> imbrandon: so I'm doing it :)
[04:35] <imbrandon> okies ;)
[04:43] <kwwii_> sleep is for loosers
[04:45] <Hobbsee> bah.  sleep.
[05:14] <fabo> Riddell: you don't use branch pull on kde modules ?
[05:14] <Riddell> fabo: no
[05:15] <fabo> Riddell: can i use them or you prefer to avoid ?
[05:16] <Riddell> fabo: in debian sure
[05:16] <Riddell> but if they get in the way of anything I'm doing I'll remove it :)
[05:16] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:17] <Hobbsee> read that as "you can use them, but dont let them come anywhere near me"
[05:17] <Jucato> heh
[05:17] <Riddell> anyone on OS X?
[05:18] <Riddell> fabo: go ahead
[05:18] <fabo> in fact i want to know about kdepim dimap patch ;)
[05:18] <fabo> i can do a branch pull or just extract needed part ;)
[05:19] <Hobbsee> Riddell: imbrandon is
[05:19] <Riddell> fabo: I'd rather not have them in the kde main packages, extracting the patch from SVN is much preferable for me
[05:20] <imbrandon> Riddell: i'm on OSX right now
[05:20] <fabo> Riddell: as you wish boss ;)
[05:20] <imbrandon> Riddell: one sec though lemme grab a soda
[05:20] <Hobbsee> hah.  another one
[05:21] <Riddell> imbrandon: could you visit jriddell.org
[05:21] <imbrandon> Jucato: i was but the laptop keeps beeping at me
[05:21] <Hobbsee> lol
[05:21] <Riddell> imbrandon: in safari
[05:21] <imbrandon> Riddell: sure one sec
[05:21] <Hobbsee> that's why you turn laptops *off* when trying to sleep
[05:21] <Jucato> hah
[05:21] <Jucato> or just mute the volume :P
[05:22] <imbrandon> Riddell: looks normal... wasup ?
[05:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: scribus building
[05:23] <Riddell> imbrandon: that's firefox, I'm after safari
[05:23] <imbrandon> hahha i never noticed your favicon.ico before
[05:23] <Riddell> I didn't put that there
[05:23] <imbrandon> ohh hrm lemme see if i have safari installed
[05:24] <imbrandon> nope, ummm laserjock should be on osx too 
[05:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: kwwii_ might use osx too
[05:24] <imbrandon> or lemme find a safari download ....
[05:25] <imbrandon> no worries safari installing now
[05:25] <imbrandon> one sec
[05:25] <Jucato> OS X without Safari... isn't that like XP without IE? :P
[05:26] <jdong|laptop> Jucato: be careful! MS lawyers might be watching!
[05:26] <Jucato> heh :)
[05:26] <imbrandon> Jucato: no in apple you can actualy drag apps to the trash ;)
[05:27] <Jucato> lol
[05:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm also syncking scribus-template
[05:27] <Tonio_> hum, no need for this, no new upstream... strange
[05:28] <Tonio_> Riddell, kwwii_:just saw the new ksplash, supperb work !
[05:28] <bddebian> Heya folks
[05:28] <Tonio_> yop bddebian ;)
[05:29] <Jucato> hi bddebian!
[05:29] <bddebian> Hi Tonio_, Jucato
[05:29] <jdong|laptop> gasp! it boots!
[05:33] <imbrandon> ok Riddell dug out my 10.4 cd's reinstalling safari now
[05:34] <jjesse> is the ksplash the one that you see upon startup or is that different
[05:35] <Jucato> jjesse: ksplash is the one you see after logging in
[05:35] <Jucato> usplash (boot splash) is the one you see at boot (after GRUB)
[05:35] <jjesse> Jucato: thanks :)
[05:35] <Jucato> np :)
[05:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: hehe, just saw I removed kubuntustyle accidentally in theme.rc.... this is why I couldn't get it to work with moodin.... sorry for this...
[05:37] <Riddell> also moodin has a cache which is annoying for testing
[05:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, but I had done the only line patch so my error was that setting removed...
[05:40] <imbrandon> Riddell: ok i'm there now with safari
[05:40] <Jucato> that was quick :)
[05:41] <imbrandon> just had to reinstall it from the cd Jucato ;)
[05:41] <imbrandon> Riddell: something you need me to test ?
[05:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: talking about scribus, should we upgrade scribus-ng too ?
[05:42] <kwwii_> Tonio_: thanks, it is, of course, based on kdm
[05:43] <Tonio_> kwwii_: ;)
[05:43] <Riddell> Tonio_: can do
[05:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay I'm finishing with scribus and doing the ng
[05:44] <Tonio_> kwwii_: concerning the usplash, did you notice it hangs at about 50% ?
[05:45] <Tonio_> I don't think that's linked to your theme, but it happens here at least
[05:45] <kwwii_> hehe, it is different from computer to computer
[05:45] <imbrandon> Riddell: need me to do anything special in safari ? /me stairs at the page
[05:46] <Riddell> imbrandon: no thanks, just stealing your user agent
[05:46] <Jucato> lol
[05:46] <imbrandon> Riddell: ahh ;)
[05:47] <imbrandon> Riddell: want me to downlaod camino for osx too ?
[05:47] <Jucato> imbrandon spends a few minutes to install Safari, so that Riddell could still his user agent :)
[05:47] <imbrandon> Jucato: heheh was no biggie ;)
[05:47] <Jucato> of course not, it's just funny :)
[05:48] <Riddell> imbrandon: no thanks
[05:48] <imbrandon> okies
[05:50] <rouzic> imbrandon: The Knot3 is not compatible with wi-fi in a MacBook
[05:50] <imbrandon> rouzic: it works ootb with my ibook , i think yyou have to fiddle with it a bit for macbook
[05:50] <imbrandon> ask kwwii_ about the macbook ( ng stuff )
[05:51] <imbrandon> rouzic: the airport works out of the box, the airport express needs a bit of config
[05:52] <rouzic> The command iwconfig neither recognizes me the net "ath0" with that the Airport works, nor appears in Kcontrol
[05:52] <Jucato> gnomefreak: nope :)
[05:52] <imbrandon> airport shows up as eth1 ( the orinoco driver )
[05:52] <gnomefreak> thats not good :(
[05:52] <Jucato> I thought KDE updates would never be backported
[05:52] <imbrandon> ath0 is the airport extreem
[05:53] <gnomefreak> seems kubuntu-desktop has depends issues in dapper
[05:53] <Jucato> I'm sure that KDE 3.5.4 shouldn't be coz it's buggy on Dapper...
[05:53] <rouzic> I believe that this related to the package madwifi
[05:53] <gnomefreak> looks like due to backports being enabled
[05:53] <Jucato> gnomefreak: it does?
[05:53] <gnomefreak> Jucato: thats what i just got done helping someone with
[05:53] <imbrandon> 3.5.3 or 4 isnt backported
[05:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: fyi, debdiff for scribus is about 7 MB
[05:53] <Riddell> _Sime_: should we have nicer icons for /media and /home ?
[05:53] <Tonio_> don't know if mdz will accept this........
[05:54] <gnomefreak> aptitude clears up the depends but apt-get didnt
[05:54] <Riddell> Tonio_: just send the changelog
[05:54] <jdong> gnomefreak: backports causes depends issues with kubuntu-desktop??
[05:54] <jdong> can you confirm that?
[05:54] <rouzic> Imbrandon: from the Knot2 it does not recognize me the wifi, in the Knot1 if and this one me the reconocia as Ath0, like Dapper
[05:54] <gnomefreak> jdong: no i cant but it looks like it
[05:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: too late....
[05:55] <jdong> gnomefreak: I don't think there's anything in backports that'll contend with kubuntu-desktop -- what was the error?
[05:55] <gnomefreak> jdong: i gave him aptitude before i could test # out the backports
[05:55] <imbrandon> gnomefreak: i doubt it, its probably a locaized issue, we need to look into it more
[05:55] <jdong> hmm
[05:56] <imbrandon> now there is an issue with aptitude wanting to remove 3/4 of your desktop but thats not becouse of backports
[05:56] <Jucato> gnomefreak: the only "indirect" connections that kubuntu-desktop would probably have would be ktorrent 2.0.1 and amarok 1.4.2-.3
[05:56] <gnomefreak> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23891 is the error he got
[05:57] <gnomefreak> it looked like kde-sys-settings was in there
[05:57] <gnomefreak> default*
[05:58] <jdong> hmm, interesting
[05:58] <jdong> he hasn't used any repos outside of ubuntu ones?
[05:58] <Jucato> hm.. interesting as well... (can't understand it...)
[05:58] <gnomefreak> nope not from him
[05:58] <jdong> Jucato: it's the kubuntu-desktop depends on FOO, but FOO will not be installed error
[05:58] <imbrandon> thta could be alot of thing, i doubt its backports as they are built against the orig libs
[05:58] <Jucato> ah
[05:59] <jdong> as imbrandon says, I highly doubt it's backports
[05:59] <gnomefreak> thats the only thing i saw that made any sense thats why i asked
[05:59] <imbrandon> what lang is pl ?
[05:59] <jdong> polish
[05:59] <gnomefreak> polish
[05:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: bug 61093
[05:59] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61093 in scribus "1.2.4.1 -> 1.2.5 UVF Exception Request" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61093
[05:59] <gnomefreak> lol
[06:04] <Tonio_> nixternal: ping ?
[06:04] <nixternal> hello
[06:04] <imbrandon> well i couldent translate it but i just tried it on my dapper box with backports enabled and all works fine
[06:04] <imbrandon> gnomefreak: so he has other issues
[06:04] <Tonio_> nixternal: your gwenview uvfe has been approved...
[06:05] <nixternal> cool beans ;)
[06:05] <Tonio_> nixternal: I can upload but I would need the source package :)
[06:05] <gnomefreak> ok
[06:05] <gnomefreak> ty imbrandon 
[06:05] <nixternal> it is on revu as well
[06:05] <Tonio_> nixternal: okay
[06:05] <nixternal> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3163
[06:06] <nixternal> bbiaf...work time
[06:07] <Tonio_> nixternal: uploaded
[06:20] <Riddell> gwenview 1.4 got approved?
[06:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: yep, by matt
[06:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: not my uvfe, but nixternal's
[06:40] <Riddell> cool
[07:19] <_Sime_> Tonio_: hi
[07:20] <_Sime_> Tonio_: The patch was good, but might have been conflicting with some other patch. So I've reduced the number of needless diffs in Makefile.in and
[07:20] <_Sime_> Tonio_: put the new patch up on the wiki.
[07:21] <Tonio_> _Sime_: hum, I looked at the tarball and other patches, there was no conflicts afaik
[07:21] <Tonio_> _Sime_: retesting
[07:22] <Tonio_> _Sime_: the 3 patches are ready ?
[07:22] <_Sime_> Tonio_: I just fixed the wiki. The patch is now in the pending section.
[07:22] <_Sime_> reload
[07:22] <_Sime_> Tonio_: just one patch.
[07:22] <Tonio_> _Sime_: and how about the media_desktop one
[07:23] <_Sime_> Tonio_: that didn't apply?
[07:23] <Tonio_> _Sime_: nope, this is the one that according to me is false :)
[07:23] <_Sime_> Tonio_: ok, I'll cut down mediadesktop too.
[07:23] <_Sime_> Tonio_: the patches are just not applying? that is the problem?
[07:24] <Tonio_> _Sime_: concerning this one, look at the GREP addition, that's already in kdebase sources....
[07:24] <Tonio_> _Sime_: in fact you add several things that are already in the sources, and not added by other patches...
[07:24] <Tonio_> this is what I saw at least :)
[07:25] <_Sime_> I'm diffing against a clean unpacked kdebase-3.5.4.orig.tar.gz.
[07:26] <Tonio_> tonio@kubuntu:~/Desktop/kdebase$ patch -p0 <kdebase_3.5.4_sime_kickermedia_v3.diff
[07:26] <Tonio_> patching file kdebase-3.5.4/kicker/applets/media/Makefile.am
[07:26] <Tonio_> patching file kdebase-3.5.4/kicker/applets/media/Makefile.in
[07:26] <Tonio_> Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected!  Assume -R? [n] 
[07:26] <Tonio_> _Sime_: I'm not crazy, this patch is reversed :)
[07:26] <Tonio_> same issue than this morning :)
[07:26] <Tonio_> and on the same file, makefile.in
[07:27] <_Sime_> Tonio_: can you clean out the source tree and just drop the new patches into the debian/patches dir?
[07:27] <_Sime_> Tonio_: I've seen that kind of wierd behaviour too.
[07:27] <Tonio_> _Sime_: sure, but I did previously, and I had the same problem...
[07:27] <Tonio_> _Sime_: I'm testing the build with the patch as it is
[07:27] <_Sime_> Tonio_: it will apply a patch, and then the next time that you issue the same command, it will reverse the patch. 
[07:28] <_Sime_> Tonio_: what is in the patch error log?
[07:28] <Tonio_> _Sime_: the problem is the issue there is on a clean source tree
[07:28] <Tonio_> _Sime_: I just apt-get source kdebase
[07:28] <Tonio_> I agree if I launch twice, it will tell me the patch is reversed
[07:30] <Tonio_> _Sime_: okay I'm looking at the patch content and comparing with the sources...
[07:31] <Tonio_> _Sime_: okay, comparing with the sources : Makefile.am is okay, but Makefile.in is the opposite of what it should be
[07:33] <Tonio_> _Sime_: sorry for bugging you with this :)
[07:33] <_Sime_> I'm apt-get source'ing
[07:33] <_Sime_> apt-get source also applies patches???
[07:33] <Tonio_> _Sime_: no
[07:34] <_Sime_>   pkg-source: applying ./kdebase_3.5.4-0ubuntu20.diff.gz
[07:34] <_Sime_> yes
[07:34] <Tonio_> _Sime_: it applies the diff, not the patches
[07:35] <Tonio_> you can check for any patch and compare, they are not patched in the sources
[07:35] <_Sime_> HA! but that is not the same as the *.orig.tar.gz file
[07:35] <_Sime_> kdebase-3.5.4_orig.tar.gz is what i've been diffing against.
[07:35] <_Sime_> I'll redo that patch.
[07:35] <Tonio_> _Sime_: hum, it should be the same, except the debian folder....
[07:35] <Tonio_> _Sime_: where is the difference ?
[07:36] <Riddell> don't include Makefile.in in patches, but that's usually the packager's problem
[07:36] <_Sime_> that big *.diff.gz patches all of the Makefile.in files (I tink.
[07:36] <Riddell> it does yes
[07:37] <_Sime_> I've got Makefile.am and Makefile.in changes, but the Makefile.ins won't be redone after the debian/patches?
[07:37] <_Sime_> I don't think so
[07:37] <Riddell> they will
[07:37] <Riddell> we re-run automake/autoconf after any new patches
[07:38] <bddebian> Who does? :)
[07:38] <Riddell> that's why the .diff.gz has most of its Makefile.in's modified
[07:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay, that's now cleart
[07:38] <Tonio_> s/cleart/clear
[07:39] <_Sime_> ok, so I'll just dike out my Makefile.in diffs.
[07:40] <Riddell> bddebian: we do.  with make -f debian/rules buildprep
[07:40] <Riddell> which applys patches, runs make -f admin/Makefile.common, and removes patches
[07:40] <Riddell> and make -f admin/Makefile.common is KDE's way of running autoblah
[07:41] <_Sime_> wiki is slow
[07:41] <Riddell> known problem
[07:42] <bddebian> Riddell: I was being sarcastic, sorry :-)
[07:49] <_Sime_> Tonio_: ok, the kdestop patch should be good now.
[07:56] <Tonio_> _Sime_: okay
[07:56] <Tonio_> _Sime_: and the kickermedia too ?
[08:01] <_Sime_> Tonio_: yeah,
[08:03] <Tonio_> _Sime_: great eating and I upload them
[08:03] <Riddell> Tonio_: hang on
[08:03] <Riddell> Tonio_: what are you uploading?
[08:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: _Sime_'s updated patches on kdebase
[08:04] <Riddell> Tonio_: ok, I'm uploading kdelibs
[08:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: but I'll test locally before, as always....
[08:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: cool no problem
[08:04] <Riddell> so just incase you were doing kdelibs too
[08:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: hehe
[08:04] <kwwii_> boah, my entire day was eaten up doing the taxes for last year and applying for me "artist" status in germany :-(
[08:05] <kwwii_> after that, making window buttons is fun :-)
[08:55] <imbrandon> Riddell: ktorrent 2.0.2 uploaded ( and uvf approved )
[08:56] <Riddell> imbrandon: you're the man
[08:56] <imbrandon> hehe i wouldent say that ;)
[08:58] <jdong> yay! ktorrent 2.0.2 :)
[08:59] <jdong> imbrandon: got a dapper pbuilder handy for closing the backports side of the ticket?
[08:59] <imbrandon> jdong yea i built in both at the same time
[08:59] <imbrandon> when i tested it
[09:00] <jdong> cool, did you approve the backport yet?
[09:00] <jdong> nvm, I'll do it
[09:00] <jdong> grr, that's right
[09:00] <imbrandon> speaking of, Riddell  do you know why amarok is wanting libfam ( from universe ) with unchanged sources when build in dapper pbuilder ?
[09:00] <jdong> soyuz isn't ready yet :P
[09:00] <imbrandon> jdong: yea soyuz isnt fixed yet
[09:01] <Riddell> imbrandon: what does it fail with?
[09:01] <imbrandon> Riddell: its something about the konqui sidebar but it shouldent need a source change at all i wouldent think ( hasent upto now )
[09:02] <imbrandon> when it tries to build the koqi sidebar it cant find labfam.la or something
[09:02] <imbrandon> or fam.la
[09:03] <Riddell> in dapper kdelibs-dev should bring in libfam
[09:03] <imbrandon> cant rember exactly, i'll have to start the build over and try it
[09:03] <imbrandon> hrm libfam is in universe ( edgy and dapper )
[09:03] <imbrandon> err libfam-dev
[09:03] <imbrandon> lemme try it again so i can get you an exact error
[09:04] <Riddell> libgamin-dev rathe
[09:06] <imbrandon> heheh rathe somewhere other than stargate atlantis ;)
[09:08] <imbrandon> ;)
[09:09] <imbrandon> brb more dew while this attempts to build on my poor little ibook ;)
[09:17] <Tonio_> _Sime_: ping ?
[09:19] <Tonio_> _Sime_: kickermedia still fails to apply and still has makefile.in strings...
[09:19] <Tonio_> _Sime_: I'm removing this part from the patch.
[09:20] <imbrandon> Riddell: is anything currently in the repo using cmake ?  ( question in u-devel )
[09:33] <Tm_T> imbrandon: kde4 stuff?
[09:33] <imbrandon> Tm_T: yea , luckaly Riddell  uplaoded some kde4 stuff reciently ;)
[09:34] <Tm_T> so, there is
[09:34] <imbrandon> kde4libs and kde4base , not sure about anything else
[09:35] <Riddell> strigi
[09:35] <imbrandon> ahh ;)
[09:37] <imbrandon> man i'm working this poor ibook to death today, its compiling amarok for dapper amarok for osx/fink and kde4base for qt/mac
[09:37] <imbrandon> if this dont make it overheat i dunno what will
[09:37] <Tonio_> _Sime_: this time it is okay. I'm finishing the build and upload
[09:38] <fdoving> imbrandon: those ibooks are hard to kill, i must say.
[09:38] <imbrandon> hehh yea
[09:39] <imbrandon> i just figured out i can cmdkey+N to swap console windows like in irssi too, its sooo nice, no need for a mouse
[09:39] <fdoving> Riddell: is strigi good? 
[09:39] <nixternal> anyone got some review time on their hands?  if so hit up revu and search 'nixternal'...there are a few on there..don't worry about gwenview, as it has been accepted and uploaded already ;)
[09:39] <Riddell> fdoving: it's promising
[09:41] <fdoving> Riddell: cool, i'll install and test :)
[09:57] <imbrandon> Riddell: ok good new and bad news , heh i updated my pbuilder and all is well with amarok on dapper, bad news, well i just wasted alot of time trying to figure that out when i should have had it updated to begin with ;)
[10:41] <danimo> imbrandon: ping?
[10:53] <nixternal> has there been any major changes with Ubiquity since the Dapper release?  this is for the release notes installation section
[10:56] <kwwii_> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[10:56] <kwwii_> inkscape died
[11:00] <danimo> kwwii_: save early, save often... ;)
[11:03] <Tonio_> _Sime_: ping ?
[11:04] <_Sime_> hi
[11:04] <Tonio_> _Sime_: little issue (latest) with the media_desktop patch
[11:04] <Tonio_> _Sime_: it doesn't find medium.h to load
[11:04] <Tonio_> _Sime_: /tmp/buildd/kdebase-3.5.4/./kdesktop/kdiconview.cc:61:20: error: medium.h: No such file or directory
[11:05] <Tonio_> I assume it is just the path to fix
[11:05] <_Sime_> Tonio_: it is probably because Makefile.in hasn't been updated from Makefile.am
[11:05] <_Sime_> Tonio_: adding the extra path is the main reason why I had to edit makefile.am.
[11:06] <_Sime_> Tonio_: maybe Riddell knows what the best thing to do is.
[11:06] <Tonio_> _Sime_: hum....... it should update makefile.in
[11:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[11:06] <Tonio_> _Sime_: yes I can see the changes in Makefile.am
[11:07] <Tonio_> _Sime_: well I can force make -f admin/makefile.common in rules
[11:08] <Riddell> hmm?
[11:08] <Tonio_> _Sime_: but in theory, that should be automatic as long as Makefile.am is more recent than Makefile.in
[11:08] <Riddell> Tonio_: run it manually before building
[11:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: so I run it and debuild -S -sa ?
[11:09] <Riddell> no need for -sa
[11:09] <Tonio_> to have the changes in diff.gz ?
[11:09] <Riddell> and build it locally first to make sure it works
[11:09] <Tonio_> yeah I know, I'm just typing this automatically :)
[11:09] <Tonio_> okay I can do it before, but I though it was cleaner to have it in rules.......
[11:10] <Riddell> not really, it only needs run once
[11:11] <Tonio_> yes, since that will stay in diff.gz for next updates, I assume
[11:11] <fabo> is it normal that i can't build kdepim because of kdelibs -> libkleopatra ?
[11:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: but what if the patch is applied during the build ?
[11:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: then Makefile.in will not be rebuild... I think so
[11:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: no ?
[11:24] <Riddell> Tonio_: that's why you do buildprep
[11:24] <Riddell> which applies, autoconfs, unapplies
[11:24] <Riddell> fabo: no
[11:24] <Riddell> although it was rebuilt today
[11:25] <danimo> Riddell: what happens if you type "konversation" in minicli?
[11:27] <kwwii_> so what does everyone think about the window deco, buttons, etc.?
[11:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: yeah I understand, so that the Makefiles changes are in diff.gz
[11:28] <fabo> Riddell: i'm inside an edgy pbuilder up-to-date
[11:32] <danimo> kwwii_: nice kdm bootscreen
[11:32] <danimo> kwwii_: what about them?
[11:33] <kwwii_> danimo: thanks:-) I was wondering if the buttons and window gradient don't look too plain
[11:34] <kwwii_> I have a really glossy version ready, but not sure how to go about it
[11:34] <kwwii_> I do not want to cause a big fuss about them if everyone hates it and prefers the older ones
[11:35] <danimo> kwwii_: did that change? I haven't restarted yet
[11:36] <danimo> kwwii_: what is the current colorscheme?
[11:38] <fabo> Riddell: fixed ... a timeout during packages download ...
[11:39] <kwwii_> danimo: we have an adjusted color scheme in knot3 (unless I am wrong)
[11:39] <Riddell> we have adjusted the colour scheme
[11:40] <kwwii_> danimo: and the buttons in knot3 have not been changed (pun aside)
[11:41] <kwwii_> I will post a screenshot...one second
[11:41] <danimo> kwwii_: odd, the colorscheme has not updated despite my recent update 5 mins ago
[11:42] <danimo> kwwii_: or is it still purple? :)
[11:42] <kwwii_> danimo: the difference is minor
[11:42] <kwwii_> danimo: yes
[11:42] <kwwii_> the bg is blue-purple
[11:43] <danimo> kwwii_: ok
[11:43] <danimo> kwwii_: looks better now
[11:43] <danimo> kwwii_: might still be too sun'ish
[11:44] <kwwii_> :p
[11:44] <kwwii_> sun and apple stole the good colors
[11:45] <kwwii_> http://bootsplash.org/snapshot5.png
[11:46] <danimo> kwwii_: that's a different kind of color than I have
[11:46] <danimo> kwwii_: and the window deco looks different
[11:47] <danimo> kwwii_: what's the colors name?
[11:47] <kwwii_> danimo: yes, that is the new stuff
[11:47] <kwwii_> the difference is not the color of the window deco, but the overlay
[11:47] <kwwii_> it makes it darker
[11:48] <danimo> what overlay?
[11:48] <kwwii_> the overlay used in the window deco...it is the gradient that makes the 3d effect
[11:48] <danimo> ah
[11:48] <danimo> ah, there we go again
[11:48] <danimo> more updates!
[11:49] <danimo> but non for ubuntu-default-settings
[11:50] <danimo> kwwii_: when was the color update submitted?
[11:51] <danimo> kwwii_: my last update is from 14:47
[11:51] <kwwii_> danimo: dude, I did not say that you will get anything...I was saying that I wanted your opinion on the new stuff
[11:51] <danimo> kwwii_: aahhh, I thought it was in already :)
[11:51] <kwwii_> danimo: the last change was in knot3
[11:51] <danimo> kwwii_: sorry for the confusion
[11:51] <kwwii_> :p
[11:51] <danimo> kwwii_: I like what I saw on the screenshot, at least to what I see on my laptop right now
[11:52] <kwwii_> anyone else with an opinion?
[11:52] <danimo> kwwii_: reminds me a bit of a deco that suse had once ;)
[11:52] <kwwii_> danimo: ? I made their stuff, and none of it looked this good :-)
[11:53] <danimo> kwwii_: yes, up until half a year ago :)
[11:53] <danimo> kwwii_: and first of all I am ignorant (so it might have never looked exactly that way)
[11:53] <kwwii_> hehe, nothing new in the way of artwork since then
[11:53] <kwwii_> well, the gloss effect is pretty typical
[11:53] <danimo> kwwii_: and secondly I am bad at assiciating things with dates
[11:54] <danimo> it looks very good
[11:54] <danimo> kwwii_: me likey shiny thingies ;)
[11:55] <danimo> kwwii_: so go for it
[11:59] <kwwii_> hehe, going on one opinion
[11:59] <kwwii_> yeah, I'll do that
[11:59] <kwwii_> :p
[12:00] <kwwii_> Tonio_: opinion?
[12:00] <kwwii_> Riddell: you?
[12:01] <Riddell> hmm?
[12:02] <Tonio_> kwwii_: let me read ;)
[12:02] <Riddell> what are we talking about?
[12:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: looks like buildprep resolved the issue. thanks for the tip :) that avoids changing debian/rules !
[12:04] <Tonio_> kwwii_: concerning the window deco, I like it like that....
[12:04] <Tonio_> kwwii_: I don't have any proposal to improve this...
[12:05] <kwwii_> Tonio_: like what? as it is in knot3 or as it is in the screenshot?
[12:05] <Tonio_> kwwii_: didn't look at the screenshot, I was talking about knot3
[12:05] <kwwii_> I need to know if I should update the buttons and titlebar bg to the stuff shown in the screenshot
[12:05] <kwwii_> hehe
[12:05] <Tonio_> let me look at the screenshot
[12:06] <Tonio_> kwwii_: hum, screenshot is nice too....... hehe :)
[12:06] <Riddell> which screeshot?
[12:06] <Tonio_> kwwii_: worth testing I would say
[12:06] <Tonio_> http://bootsplash.org/snapshot5.png
[12:07] <kwwii_> but they are two totally opposing styles, I think
[12:07] <Tonio_> kwwii_: yes, true
[12:07] <Tonio_> kwwii_: I would like to see that moving on the screen to have a final opinion
[12:07] <Tonio_> but it is clean too
[12:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: any opinion ?
[12:08] <Tonio_> kwwii_: I think the idea would be to include it and ask
[12:08] <Tonio_> we have time to switch back if people don't like it
[12:08] <kwwii_> yeah, I can always bug you guys to revert things :-)
[12:09] <Tonio_> kwwii_: exactly
[12:09] <Riddell> shiny
[12:09] <kwwii_> yes
[12:09] <kwwii_> shiny good? shiny bad?
[12:09] <zorglu_> hi, i spend quite some time helping people on #kubuntu and i notice a lot of people spend time adding multiverse/universe repository in their source.list, i was wondering if it would be possible to make a .deb which automatically put universe/multiverse in the /etc/apt/source.d/ directory and thus make this very common operation eaiser to the user ?
[12:09] <Tonio_> shiny superb ;)
[12:10] <Tonio_> zorglu_: I agree, everyone is adding universe and multiverse....
[12:10] <Tonio_> zorglu_: but in my opinion, that shouldn't be done by a package...
[12:10] <zorglu_> Tonio_: how would you make it easier for the user ?
[12:10] <Tonio_> zorglu_: in an ideal worls, that should be done by the installer
[12:11] <Tonio_> world
[12:11] <Tonio_> "do you want to allow the installation of unsupported/non-free softwares ?"
[12:11] <zorglu_> like an option 'click here to get the universe/multiverse' with a text explain what is it ?
[12:11] <Tonio_> but I think canonical will never accept this :)
[12:11] <zorglu_> why not ?
[12:11] <danimo> Tonio_: too much of a legal risk
[12:11] <zorglu_> ah ok