=== rouzic [n=rouzic@9.Red-88-10-208.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === yuriy [n=yuriy@dhcp-129-64-153-13.dorm.brandeis.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:38] xinelib is buggedi edgy? [12:38] "bugged"? how? [12:39] amarok and other xine based application "jump" [12:39] "jump"? [12:39] crimsun: the sound is corrupted (sorry for my bad english") [12:40] please be more precise. How does it "jump"? [12:40] It works fine here on both an onboard Intel ICH6 and an M-Audio Transit USB. [12:43] jump=sound is not continuous [12:43] i've a via8235card (snd_via82xx) [12:44] i tryed to reinstall (sudo apt-get install libxine-main1 libxine1 --reinstall) [12:44] but nothing! :/ [12:49] crimsun: i think that it's a buffer problem :/ [12:50] with a large (wav) file it "jump" more! === apokryphos [n=apokryph@host-87-74-28-146.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:57] GNUr: does this occur w/ all sound? === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:00] i've tryed with wma/wav/mp3... :/ [01:01] so it's reproducible with ``aplay -Dplughw:0,0 /usr/share/sounds/KDE*up.wav''? === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:04] Howdy === neoncode [n=neoncode@unaffiliated/neoncode] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jeroenvrp [n=jeroenvr@k-uptown.xs4all.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rouzic_ausente_ [n=rouzic@9.Red-88-10-208.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === GNUr [n=gnucca@host11-35-static.25-87-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete:] === rouzic_ausente__ [n=rouzic@9.Red-88-10-208.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mbiebl [n=michael@dslb-084-056-226-102.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jeroenvrp [n=jeroenvr@k-uptown.xs4all.nl] has left #kubuntu-devel ["The] === claydoh [n=clay@66.252.46.227] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato [n=jucato@210.213.193.114] has joined #kubuntu-devel === FreeT15 [n=user@221.221.163.246] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:35] boy it's quiet in here today [03:36] aye [03:36] yesh it ish [03:36] football! [03:36] not [03:37] hi claydoh! :) [03:39] hey Jucato [03:39] hehe, funny, Award..... [03:40] award BIOSes play fur elise via the pc speakers if you take off the CPU cooler === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:40] Hobbsee!! [03:41] hey Jucato! [03:42] hey guys, what's up with media/hal handling in edgy? [03:42] jdong: i don't think I will try that out :) [03:42] IMO the changes made are a regression from dapper... [03:43] first of all, opening up Places->Media doesn't give me an all-in-one mounting area [03:43] it opens up /media instead [03:43] which is no good for unmounted hotplugged media [03:43] secondly, once mounted, unmounting a USB stick does NOT give me a progress dialog anymore [03:43] instead, it shows up unmounted while it's still syncing in the background [03:43] if I would've yanked it out, I would've lost all my data [03:44] from edgy-changes, it seems like tonio has been doing most of the media ioslave changes? [03:46] claydoh: surprisingly it doesn't seem to hurt Intel CPU's too much [03:46] claydoh: but it was an accidental discovery.... [03:46] claydoh: our P3 Coppermine robot kind of had a steep fall off a 6 foot wall..... [03:47] hehe [03:47] ouch [03:47] but I did find a dapper ACPI bug :) [03:47] it's kind of a disturbing one... very disturbing [03:47] after putting the CPU cooler back on, I looked into the syslog [03:47] it had "ACPI: Critical Temperature 165C reached. Powering down" [03:47] repeated 10 times over a 5 minute interval [03:48] something tells me it didn't power down as advertised :D === jdong hesitates to put this in launchpad... he might get the absurd bug of the year award :) === Seveaz [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:50] jdong: ouch! [03:51] claydoh: I know. I certainly hope nobody relies on critical temp poweroff... :-/ [03:51] jdong: ah yes, i've had similar on edgy. [03:51] i *know* my computer doesnt get that high [03:51] I don't rely on it, tho I do have it set on my board [03:52] Hobbsee: yeah, but doesn't the fact that it says it's powering down, but your computer is still running, disturb you? ;) [03:52] jdong: i'd just switched to upstart at the time, so no, not really === claydoh exploded a Duron by forgetting to plug in the fan power lead [03:52] claydoh: AMD processors do not like being abused in that way... [03:53] nope [03:53] intels are however, surprisingly resilient [03:53] but they's cheeeep === Hobbsee has an intel :P [03:53] claydoh: try to beat celeron prices :) [03:53] but id have to buy a new board :) [03:53] claydoh: around here, I can get sub-$50 celeron D mobo+CPU combos [03:53] perfect for sticking on a robot === bddebian would never buy a celeron [03:53] because the boys are gonna trash it pretty damn fast anyway [03:54] for running a 300-line python script, a celeron is plenty of power [03:54] heck it's replacing a 40MIP 8-bit chip :) [03:54] I may do intel if I decide to build a new box instead of the constant small upgrades [03:54] claydoh: how can you say no to the core 2 duo? ;) [03:55] $$$ I don't have atm :) === jdong just used his friend's conroe extreme to convert his entire divx collection to x264 [03:55] my wallet says no for me lol [03:55] the act of transferring my divx's to his hard drive took longer than the transcoding :) [03:55] heh [03:56] god those are powerful CPU's [03:56] and I've handled quite some powerful systems in my times.... FX-51's.... [03:56] a FX-60 rendering machine.... [03:56] sweet [03:57] my tbird 2800 is the fastest I have used [03:57] oops athlon xp rather [03:58] i don't get out much :) [03:58] aww, you're really missing out [03:58] I know [03:58] I tell you, watching firefox compile in 2 minutes is really breathtaking [03:58] Egads, what is that on? [03:59] a) why compile firefox, b) my gosh that's fast! [04:00] heh [04:00] Hobbsee: a) because I wanted gcc4's stack protector on my firefox? [04:00] jdong: ahhh.. [04:00] Hobbsee: and turn on SSE also... it makes a bit of a difference on my core duo [04:00] right === Hobbsee wonders what SSE is [04:00] it's not that great a boost... mostly I wanted it to be using the system's GCC [04:00] Hobbsee: silly gentoo ricer CFLAGS tuning :) [04:01] heh [04:01] Hobbsee: it's really addicting... stay away from it :P [04:01] hehe [04:01] sure, i dont have my dual core yet :P [04:02] *sigh*, it's the final irritation of Intel CPU's [04:02] their FPU performance is still a tad weak [04:03] but executing FPU instructions via SSE gives a nice boost [04:03] however, doing the same thing on an AMD makes it go slower.... :( [04:03] so a distro can't really optimize for both worlds [04:07] jdong: How fast can it build glibc? :-) [04:08] Of course on GNU/Hurd it probably wouldn't matter ;-( [04:08] bddebian: I haven't tried, but he got gentoo from stage1 to full KDE + GNOME system in like 4 hours [04:08] hurd.... [04:08] maybe 5 hours.... between lunch and dinner [04:08] Wow [04:08] yeah, it's phenomenal [04:09] that thing is quite possibly the fastest PC you can build [04:09] Jucato: ?? :-) [04:09] nothing :) [04:09] only thing faster would be a quad Core 2 setup :) === jdong kicks hal [04:14] WHOA! slashdot has a 403! [04:14] no, wait, even better, a 500! [04:15] I gotta post this on slashdot... oh wait [04:15] lol [04:15] and it's back online [04:15] damn are they fast [04:15] not yet for me. [04:15] Internal Server Error [04:16] it went down again [04:16] up and down... reminds me of a certain forum... :P === jdong wishes ubotu supported @lart in here [04:17] you want to kick my arse so badly? :D [04:17] @lart jdong [04:17] heh === Hobbsee can kick much more effectively. [04:17] uh oh... === Jucato hides from the whip [04:18] ah /. is back in business [04:18] Jucato: you saw what my hostname changed to, didnt you? :P [04:18] no I didn't... === Jucato whistles... [04:19] never knew you were on #kde-devel and #kde4-devel :) [04:19] i am, i never talk though [04:20] ah. A silent observer :) [04:20] sarah@LongPointyStickOfDoom:~$ echo See the hostname and cower in fear!See the hostname and cower in fear! [04:20] indeed [04:20] lol [04:20] btw, is there a way to group rooms/channels in Konversation? [04:21] what, an auto join? [04:21] I mean, group rooms in the tree-view tab [04:21] ah [04:21] i havent figured out how to [04:22] hope it was possible... [04:22] so I could close a whole group of channels if I wanted to [04:22] file a wishlist bug? [04:22] or ask in #konversation ? === Jucato whistles... [04:23] speaking of bugs... I noticed that some apps, for example KWord or kdissert, are not listed/available in Add/Remove Programs? (both Synaptic and Adept) === marseillai [n=mars_@AMarseille-256-1-84-17.w90-9.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:35] hm...this is strange... linux-headers-386 is installed by default on Knot 3, but not linux-headers-generic === lnxkde [n=lnxkde@206.248.91.29] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:46] Jucato: er, yes. surely that shouldnt happen [05:47] Jucato: ah, they're recommending those headers, and apt is autoinstalling them [05:47] Jucato: I believe that is known [05:47] err... but shouldn't the linux-headers-generic be the ones that are recommended? [05:48] well at least kubuntu-desktop is no longer dependent on the linux-headers (like it was dependent on linux-headers-686 in Knot 2) [05:48] it effectively does. hmm. [05:49] it'll get fixed :) [05:49] ajmitch: will you fix it? :P [05:49] no, because I know that other people are doing so [05:49] :) [05:50] it would be a futile duplication of effort [05:58] right [05:58] that's your excuse. now get reviewing [05:58] lol [06:00] heh [06:01] you too, bddebian :P [06:01] dont make me use my hostname on you [06:01] hah! === bddebian has reviewed about 5 packages tonight === Jucato suddenly gets busy [06:01] bddebian: nice :) [06:02] seems like Hobbsee is in the mood to be a dominatrix today :P [06:02] That's new? ;-) [06:02] heh [06:02] Jucato: heh. [06:02] well, more than usual today than on any other day it seems :) [06:02] Jucato: arent i *always* like that? and mean, cruel, nasty and horrible :P [06:03] hiya Hobbsee! [06:03] well, today you seem to be dominatrix++ :) [06:03] hi nixternal! [06:03] hey nixternal [06:03] hiya Jucato [06:03] nixternal == owned by sun [06:03] im in pain [06:04] Jucato: heh, right. [06:06] Gads there is just tooo much on REVU :'-( [06:06] bddebian: i cleaned some of it up too :P [06:12] bddebian: just take it 1 package at a time - I'll get into reviewing in a couple of hours after I finish up at work [06:13] Not that anything I do matters much, mind you :-) [06:13] bddebian: of course it does. stop being silly. === J-a-r [n=netstar@c83-252-125-31.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:15] i have 3 things on revu awaiting ;) [06:15] soon to be 4 ;) [06:17] gwenview 1.4.0 | koverartist | kxstitch | schafkopf [06:18] awaiting someone to tell me how bad they are ;) [06:18] Bah KDE packages pfft ;-P [06:18] !info gwenview main [06:18] i will work on other packages if need be bddebian, just point me to some [06:18] gwenview: image viewer for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 1.3.1-0ubuntu5 (dapper), package size 1981 kB, installed size 4676 kB [06:18] !info gwenview edgy [06:18] gwenview: image viewer for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 1.3.92b-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 587 kB, installed size 2060 kB [06:18] nixternal: got a UVF exception for gwenview? [06:18] 1.4.0 is hot off the presses [06:18] nope [06:18] better get to it :P [06:19] jeesh ;) [06:19] point me in the right direction [06:19] oh, sure === Hobbsee looks for the documentation for it [06:19] im doing the same [06:19] found it [06:20] If the package is in main or restricted, mail Matt Zimmerman <[MAILTO] mdz@ubuntu.com> and Colin Watson <[MAILTO] cjwatson@ubuntu.com> with a short description of the requested change and the section of the upstream changelog describing that change. You may also do this from within Malone by assigning a bug to [WWW] Ubuntu Release Team. [06:20] yep [06:20] that is different than the UVF wiki page ;) [06:22] that was on developerresources [06:22] it's all quite out of date though [06:22] nixternal: when in doubt, ask on irc [06:22] all i need to do is file a bug, summary 'UVF - New Upstream Releasae' and assign it to Ubuntu Release Team? [06:23] you need to give far more detail than that [06:23] like upstream changelog, diffstat, build logs, etc [06:23] well ya [06:23] if possible :) [06:23] oh jeesh [06:23] subscribe, don't assign [06:23] what have i gotten myself into ;) === ajmitch tells Hobbsee to fix the wiki page === Hobbsee tells ajmitch to do it. [06:24] i was thinking about it, actually [06:41] gwenview-1.4.0.tar.bz2 |binary [06:41] 1 file changed [06:41] that is all there is to a diffstat? [06:41] or am i doing something wrong [06:44] i did a lot wrong ;) [06:47] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gwenview/+bug/60997 [06:47] Malone bug 60997 in gwenview "UVF - New Upstream Release" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] [06:47] i think that is ok [06:48] hehe === BigScaryHobbsee waves her pitchfork [06:49] damn hobbsee, slow down...right as i goto autocomplete bigscaryhobbsee you changed ;) [06:49] nixternal: hehe [06:49] i got that backwards, but oh well [06:49] i think i did the UVF somewhat correct [06:50] i subscribed the release team, added the logs [06:50] i test built it here, and i even installed it...it looks like it works here === Jucato_ [n=jucato@210.213.193.148] has joined #kubuntu-devel === FreeT15 [n=user@221.221.163.246] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato_ is now known as Jucato === J-a-r_ [n=netstar@c83-252-125-31.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:21] Hobbsee: yea i almost got it finished ( i finshed releading it last night but i dident add any ssh accounts before i went to sleep ) [07:21] imbrandon: fair enough, i havent done anything today needing it [07:21] Hobbsee: give me a few minutes and i'll have it almost ready [07:21] and i finally got the scripts on stevenk's machine sorted out, so that's usuable too [07:22] heh [07:22] i have work soon [07:22] and then i get days off! [07:22] cool [07:22] i changed the name this time too [07:22] nice [07:22] what to? [07:22] same computer just a new name , voyager was getting old [07:22] ah [07:24] horatio [07:24] is the new name sorry gropped the mouse [07:24] ah [07:25] like i said though exact same computer justa new name ( and a fresh install ) [07:26] ugh ok, time for a shower and such , brb [07:28] hi Hobbsee imbrandon [07:28] hey freeflying === poningru [n=poningru@ip70-171-62-28.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:40] heya freeflying [07:40] moins raphink [07:41] aw.. Hobbsee's gone... :) [07:41] hi imbrandon! [07:41] elllo [07:41] hi imbrandon [07:41] && Jucato [07:41] hi raphink! :) === Jucato wonders if we'll ever get past "hi" at this rate [07:42] #ubuntu-ph .... === raphink wonders what language is ph [07:42] hmmmm [07:43] Philippines [07:43] ooh! [07:43] ok :) [07:43] :) [07:43] I was 1000 miles away from that ;) [07:43] your name sounds rather Spanish [07:44] heh yeah [07:44] but I look Chinese :P [07:44] hehe [07:44] (or Japanese, or Korean, depends on the person saying it...) [07:44] hehe [07:44] I'm pretty sure you look like "Jucato". [07:44] hah [07:44] well Chinese, Japanese and Korean look very different [07:44] that's for sure :) [07:44] crimsun: very good point :) [07:45] well, some Filpino-Chinese people think I'm Chinese, and some Korean students thought I was one of them [07:45] and someone who worked in Japan said I could be mistaken for a Japanese... [07:46] ah [08:36] <_Sime_> If/when Tonio shows up here, can someone tell him that the KDE media patches wiki page is updated. [08:37] <_Sime_> with new patches that is. [08:37] sure :) === allee [n=ach@allee.exgal.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Ingmar^ [n=ingmar@d51A4875A.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel === el [n=konversa@port-83-236-238-37.static.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apokryphos [n=apokryph@host-87-74-28-146.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@221.221.163.248] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger_ [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger_ is now known as hunger === mbiebl [n=michael@dslb-084-056-219-235.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apokryphos [n=apokryph@host-87-74-28-146.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh_away is now known as \sh === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:25] Is someone going to package the new gwenview? [11:26] It looks quite interesting ... [11:26] http://gwenview.sourceforge.net/ [11:26] I think nixternal will? [11:27] sebas: i can look at it [11:27] moins [11:27] hi imbrandon! :) [11:28] video support?? === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:30] looks like its just some maint stuff compaired to what we have, woner if its woth the uvf ? /me looks a little more === Jucato still doesn't understand the trend of image viewers supporting video viewing... === Tonio__ [n=tonio@211.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:33] Tonio__: _Sime_ has some new stufff for you on the wiki [11:33] yo$ [11:33] imbrandon: great [11:34] :) [11:34] i would have done it but i dident know if you had other kdebase uploads [11:36] _Sime_: I'm uploading everything [11:38] _Sime_: kdebase_3.5.4_sime_kio_v4.diff , 404, error.... === zorglu_ [n=zorglub@134.43.102-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:41] some tools keep dumping their debug log on the tty (e.g. kate with the ScimInputContextPlugin() and kate), is this a bug being worked on ? or just the coder forgot to remove its debug before releasing ? [11:45] afaik thats standard for gui apps run from tty to dump info [11:45] zorglu_: the ScimInputContextPlugin is from qt's scim patch I'd guess, if you want to track it down that would be great [11:45] imbrandon: it seems to be common in kde apps for some reason but it's not desirable [11:45] imbrandon: how about the Bad Device errors? [11:46] Jucato: that's qt talking to X, there's not much can be done about that [11:46] Jucato: thats becouse you have unused devices in your xorg.conf [11:46] it's not desirable <- i definitly agree, as it is uselessly scray for the user [11:46] scary i meant [11:46] ;) [11:46] yes, wacom entries that are put there by the default installation [11:46] Jucato: yes delete those and it go's away ;) [11:47] heh yeah :) [11:47] people still panic about it though... [11:47] yea, uneededly but yea [11:48] imho debconf should be smart enough not to put those in if not needed but i stay away from X as much as possible ( code wise ) [11:48] so there's nothing that can be done about that? making it less scary? :P [11:49] question: why does xorg.conf have wacom entries even if you don't have one? isn't it set during installation? [11:49] something can always be done ;) its just a matter of what ;) [11:50] imbrandon: there is one patch that I can't download.... we need to wait for _Sime_ [11:50] Jucato: yea the default config includes them so laptops with wacom pointers work ootb [11:50] aaah [11:50] Tonio_: ok , i was just passing along the message [11:50] imbrandon: sure ;) [11:51] ah, silly scim debugging is in scim-qtimm [11:51] ;) [11:52] Tonio_: you want to file a uvf for gwenview 1.4.0 since you touched it last , or ..... [11:52] imbrandon: hum, new stable release ? [11:52] yea [11:52] great, will do thanks [11:52] http://gwenview.sourceforge.net/ [11:53] Riddell: I will ping pitti for digikam too [11:55] Tonio_: you have digicam listed twice on the MIR queue page too ( not that it really matters ) [11:55] imbrandon: ah ? [11:55] yes, I know [11:55] for has been rejected due to dependancies in universe [11:55] no i mean its listed two times in the unreviewed section [11:56] at the top and bottom of the list [11:56] err top and third from the bottom [11:56] imbrandon: can't download gwenview [11:56] tarball is dead on upstream website....... [11:56] what a horrible morning........ [11:56] hum i just grabbed it, its sf.net prdownload site [11:57] ah in sourceforge :) [11:57] yea http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/gwenview/gwenview-1.4.0.tar.bz2 [12:10] Tonio_: i hope you ment a UVFe not a MIR for gwenview [12:10] ;) === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm61.omega22.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:19] packages for gwenview would help us to review if it's stable [12:20] Riddell: I have the package [12:20] Riddell: wanna test the deb ? [12:21] Tonio_: please [12:21] <_Sime_> Tonio_: which patch can't you d/l? [12:22] _Sime_: kio v4 [12:23] Riddell, imbrandon: http://tonio.homelinux.org/tmp/gwenview_1.4.0-0ubuntu1_i386.deb [12:23] wget http://tonio.homelinux.org/tmp/gwenview_1.4.0-0ubuntu1_i386.deb [12:23] gah [12:23] imbrandon: hu ? [12:23] :) [12:24] wrong konsole window [12:24] imbrandon: have access to my ftp now ? :) [12:24] ah oki ;) [12:24] <_Sime_> Tonio_: fixed [12:25] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gwenview/+bug/61038 [12:25] Malone bug 61038 in gwenview "1.3.92b -> 1.4.0 UVF Exception Request" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] [12:25] done [12:26] _Sime_: thanks ;) [12:27] hrm _Sime_ does the "file -> open" kde dialog honur the .hidden ? [12:27] or is it just gwenviews file _. open [12:27] s/_./->/g [12:28] uses kmplayer, funky [12:30] _Sime_: great, I'm building and if that's okay, uploading [12:31] hrm i only get a blue screen when trying to play video but i'm gessing its a codec thing [12:31] <_Sime_> cool [12:31] i probably dont have all my codecs reinstalled yet [12:32] _Sime_: I changed the wikipage [12:34] I really have issues with mysql on dapper....... [12:34] 5959 mysql 15 0 112m 23m 4296 S 54.9 2.4 17:20.46 mysqld [12:35] 55% cpu usage average.... [12:35] wow [12:36] i never pay attn to how much cpu it eats up on my server ( dapper ) [12:36] imbrandon: I tested my website, but that doesn't seem to be the cause [12:36] I'm going to 90% without any mysql process running.... [12:36] imbrandon: I'll probably try a backport [12:37] imbrandon: talking about that, we should backport flashplayer to dapper, since current package fails.... [12:37] hrm are you going by top? i can look at mine real fast [12:37] imbrandon: url has changed so it cannot download it again [12:37] Tonio_: yea its been requested afaik, if not i'll do it here in a sec [12:37] imbrandon: yeah using top [12:40] Tonio_: here is top running on my dapper server , dosent seem to be a problem there ( apt-mirror , imap , and rsync all take more cpu ) http://federation.imbrandon.com/ss100.png [12:40] imbrandon: yeah.... [12:40] I suspect a mysql bug on certain query.... [12:41] _Sime_: kickermedia fails to apply, I'm rebuilding your patch [12:49] _Sime_: looks like a part of your patch is reversed ;) [12:49] the Makefile.in part === zorglu_ [n=zorglub@134.43.102-84.rev.gaoland.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [12:57] Tonio_: wasn't there already a UVF request filed? [12:57] bug 60997 [12:57] Malone bug 60997 in gwenview "UVF - New Upstream Release" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/60997 [12:59] we've very thorough [01:00] obviously [01:01] ajmitch: argh ! I missed this one [01:01] it would be nice if people asking for UVF would ping us ;) [01:01] heh [01:01] well it's nixternal [01:02] Riddell: ah okay [01:03] ajmitch: sorry for this... [01:03] imbrandon: looks like we've done wrong this time :) [01:03] heh [01:03] yea probably should have searched LP [01:04] imbrandon: yup.... and I should have checked after you asked me to write it... [01:04] welp just mark one a dupe and we'll know better , make sure and tell mdz/kamoin in the email one is a dupe [01:04] hrm anyone know who Burdick, Perry pburdick@mccanntech.org is [01:05] imbrandon: can you do it ? I'm on _Sime_'s patch since I have to rebuild them.... [01:05] Tonio_: sure [01:14] Tonio_: well it was discussed in here earlier :) [01:14] okie all fixed up [01:14] Tonio_: no need to apologise to me, I just spotted the duplicate in #u-bugs === kwwii_ [n=kwwii@p549567F7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:14] hrm i wish pburdick@mccanntech.org was on irc , guess i'll email them [01:14] lo kwwii_ [01:14] moin imbrandon [01:17] anyone wanna sponsor kubunturocks.com ( just the purchace of the dmain its self not hosting ) so I can setup a free jabber service on it ? hehe [01:17] domain* === Tonio___ [n=tonio@211.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apokryphos [n=apokryph@host-87-74-28-105.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === el [n=konversa@port-83-236-238-37.static.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@211.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:32] _Sime_: I'm sorry but I can't apply your patches... [01:32] _Sime_: they seem to conflict with other ones we already have... [01:32] _Sime_: things are reverted sometimes.... [01:34] _Sime_: ping me when you're available so that I'm resuming the problem [01:36] kwwii_: what do you want to do about the last icon on the ksplash? [01:37] do the input fields/labels in the login screen look a bit off-center? === el [n=konversa@port-83-236-238-37.static.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:37] Riddell: well, either move it up in line with the rest or make it a bit bigger so that it stands out at the bottom more [01:38] Riddell: why are the new window buttons not in kwin-crystal...are they in a diffferent package? [01:38] Jucato: they should be at the 50% point [01:39] kwwii_: they are, they're in the patch in debian/patches [01:39] which is uuencoded [01:39] kwwii_: maybe just an effect of having a bigger space between the menu button and the input fields than between the enter button and the input fields? [01:39] Riddell: so when I apt-get the sources how can I get them? [01:40] Jucato: could be [01:41] kwwii_: make -f debian/rules apply-patches [01:41] should make them appear [01:42] hehe, no rule to make target [01:43] I have my old versions, I can copy over the really old ones [01:43] Riddell: did you upload scim-qtimm? it was rejacted [01:43] I just wanted to do this the right way [01:43] kwwii_: http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i206/jucato/screenshots/login.png [01:44] Jucato: guess I should move the enter key 5 pixels to the right [01:44] oh, it's not cdbs [01:44] kwwii_: make -f debian/rules config.status [01:44] freeflying: I did [01:45] freeflying: oops, uploaded to dapper [01:45] :) [01:46] re-uploaded to edgy [01:48] ok, so which package is uudecode in? (not uudeview) [01:49] kwwii_: sharutils [01:50] kwwii_: sharutils [01:50] ;) [01:51] oh, man...this is too much work... [01:51] make: dh_testdir: Command not found [01:51] kwwii_: sudo apt-get build-dep [01:51] it will grab everything you need to do that [01:52] but thats in build-essential / devscripts ( you'll probably want those working with packages ) [01:53] I installed build-essential [01:53] install devscripts [01:53] but doing this for kwin-style-crystal installs 58 other packages [01:53] oh wow [01:53] =) [01:53] I mean, I wanted to change a few buttons is all :-) [01:53] I am sure we would make this harder yet [01:54] heheh welcome to our world, just teasin, hold on lemme see if i can grab just the images and put them on ftp for ya [01:54] you want the images from kwin-style-crystal is all ? [01:54] I have it now [01:54] thanks anyway [01:55] hehe okies === imbrandon go's to grab another mt dew [01:57] hehe, mark is now doing conf calls with the ubuntu art people to get the work done [01:58] wow [01:58] something wasent getting done ? [01:58] :O === apokryphos [n=apokryph@host-87-74-3-211.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:01] so...now that I applied that patch, someone tell me what the .rej files are for? [02:01] the .orig seem to be the new ones, the normal file names the old ones [02:02] rej file contains stuff that didn't apply iirc === apokryphos [n=apokryph@host-87-74-48-242.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:05] kwwii_: it should just apply cleanly [02:06] kwwii_: unless you've already changed the fie [02:06] files [02:06] <\sh> Riddell: short update why python-qt3 is not installable? I'm too lazy to check now ;) [02:06] \sh: seems installed to me [02:06] who says it's not installable? [02:09] <\sh> Riddell: forget about it...kubuntu-desktop wasn't installable last friday...and amarok and python-qt3 was removed automagically from dist-upgrade...now it's installable agan [02:11] <\sh> moins btw [02:12] moin moin [02:16] hi \sh === Tonio_ [n=tonio@137.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:19] re [02:19] my internet connection sucks today... === apokryphos- [n=apokryph@host-87-74-49-92.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apokryphos_ [n=apokryph@host-87-74-34-128.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:25] ok, kubuntu-default-setting and ksplash should be all sorted now [02:26] Riddell: cool, you repatched it ? [02:26] woot [02:26] yes [02:26] Riddell: rocking :) [02:26] Riddell: thanks :-) === Hobbsee waves [02:28] lo Hobbsee === Hobbsee attacks the customer from hell with a long pointy stick. === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Ubug2 [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:30] err, what happened to katapult in kde svn? [02:30] Hobbsee: nooo stick, you cruel! [02:30] i ate it, i was hungry. [02:30] hi Hobbsee! [02:30] Tm_T: the woman deserves it. [02:30] hey Jucato [02:30] =) === Hobbsee had a pretty bad shift at work. [02:30] what woman [02:31] hence the bad mood === Jucato sees the whip... === Tm_T hides [02:31] Tm_T: an idiot that thought she coudl come in 5 mins before close, get a full trolley of stuff, and expect the store stay open for her. there's another supermarket about 100 m away, in the same shopping complex, open for another 2 hours. [02:32] Hobbsee: =) [02:32] foolish mortal... :P [02:32] heh [02:32] Riddell: is it messed up ? [02:32] ( katapult ) [02:32] imbrandon: no found it [02:32] ahh [02:32] was looking in playground, it's in extragear [02:32] Jucato: you mean meatbag [02:32] heh :) [02:34] ho concerning the kapatult/amarok were you able to reproduce ? [02:34] heh that sounds normal to me ( leaste arround here ) but what isnt normal is two suppermarkets 100m from each other ? === mbiebl [n=michael@tecov6131.teco.uni-karlsruhe.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:34] mez confirms the issue but it works here, so I don't understand [02:34] yeah. i'm not quite sure why they did that. oh, there's another supermarket right next to the other one [02:34] unless I missed what the real problem is [02:34] Tonio_: works here too i dunno what mez was taking aobut [02:34] as in, not opposite to us [02:35] imbrandon: maybe scanning amaroks database and not launching mp3's [02:35] Tonio_: if you try to play some music in Amarok by searching/launching it from Katapult? [02:35] Jucato: yea works for me(tm) [02:35] Jucato: yes.... [02:35] ... [02:35] Jucato: that should be impossible according to mez but it works here.... [02:36] me also and i'm on a fresh install [02:36] fresh Dapper? [02:36] edgy [02:36] ah.. hm.. [02:36] dapper? we dont need no stinking dapper === Jucato launches VMWare [02:36] ;) [02:36] =) [02:36] er.. it was running on another desktop already :P === imbrandon hasent been on dapper in /months/ [02:37] imbrandon: I'm completly lost with sime's patches.... [02:37] Tonio_: i can do them if you want , i did the last few [02:37] certain parts are reversed [02:37] imbrandon: you will have the same issue :) [02:37] certain parts are reversed ? [02:37] the latest patch cannot by applied simply because half of the patch is already in kde tarball... [02:37] imbrandon: yes [02:38] - instead of + etc.... [02:38] but not for the all patch [02:38] imbrandon: I assume he didn't diff from the tarball but from an already patches one [02:38] hrm he is using dapper to do all this afaik so we might have to modify it a bit [02:38] imbrandon: I'll make a point with him toonight [02:39] imbrandon: yes but dapper 3.5.4 is the same that edgy ;) [02:39] except patches, but that's not patches conflict [02:39] imbrandon: I'm talking about the orig [02:39] right [02:39] imbrandon: an example : [02:40] in kdesktop/Makefile.in : [02:40] GMSGFMT = @GMSGFMT@ [02:40] +GREP = @GREP@ [02:40] HALBACKEND = @HALBACKEND@ [02:40] he adds this... [02:40] then : [02:40] GMSGFMT = @GMSGFMT@ [02:40] +GREP = @GREP@ [02:40] HALBACKEND = @HALBACKEND@ [02:41] that's from the orig tarball [02:41] oups, sorry, repasting : [02:41] tonio@kubuntu:~/Desktop/kdebase/kdebase-3.5.4/kdesktop$ grep -d recurse GREP ./Makefile.in [02:41] EGREP = @EGREP@ [02:41] GREP = @GREP@ [02:41] PACKAGE_BUGREPORT = @PACKAGE_BUGREPORT@ [02:41] so the patch is wrong... [02:41] hm.. so strange.. katapult/amarok problem still happens on an almost fresh install of Edgy (on VMWare) [02:41] soo umm hrm [02:41] Jucato: maybe the issue is database scanning, not file launching.... [02:41] so because I had a working database before, it still works... [02:41] hmm.... [02:42] imbrandon: agreed that there is an issue here ? ;) [02:42] imbrandon: could be reversed patch, but no, since there are other parts of the patch for the same file that are valid... [02:42] imbrandon: that's why I think he missed something === jjesse [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:43] Tonio_: yea , i'm about to lay down for a nap, i'll grab the patches and the current source and see if i can figure out what he was doing, if not we'll talk to him tonight [02:43] imbrandon: kio v4 is valid [02:43] imbrandon: kicker media is valid except a reversed section, I have fixed this... [02:43] imbrandon: the new patch is crappy, here is the point [02:43] k [02:44] but concerning the reversed section I'm not sure if we have to reverse it or remove it... [02:44] can be both in fact, depending on what the error was when he did the patch [02:44] we might have to convince him to upgrade to edgy and debdiff the cahnges ;) [02:44] imbrandon: hehe indeed [02:45] imbrandon: he can simply grab the edgy source package and provide the patches himself [02:45] imbrandon: no need for edgy to work on it.... [02:45] or a chroot but afaik he does it on his running system then makes the patches [02:46] anyhow i'm gonna laydown for a nap, back in a few hours , i'll get on the lappy for a bit and look brb === Tonio___ [n=tonio@137.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@s64-186-37-84.skycon.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Daniloc [n=kvirc@212.200.77.16] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:22] WOW : http://benheck.com/Games/Xbox360/x360_page_5.htm [03:22] amazing what this guy did [03:24] that is awesome, i saw it earlier on slashdot or something and was really impressed. [03:24] wish they sold them ;) [03:24] whoa... === jdong whacks Hobbsee in the head in the comfort of #kubuntu-devel [03:27] jdong: i'm still laughing. === jdong will never waste his time testing Ubiquity again :) [03:27] that's the quote of the night. [03:27] nah, just file a bug as requested, what's the problem? [03:27] you asked a silly question, and got the answer you deserved. [03:28] Hobbsee: it wouldn't be the first time ubiquity was broken on an install cd :) [03:28] ahem, every single Dapper testing cd [03:28] :) [03:28] jdong: well, true, but when it's the way they're pushing everyone to install off it [03:28] or most to [03:28] i'd imagine that was something in your system [03:28] it works for a whole lot of people - those of you who it doesnt, you need to file a bug :P [03:28] a hairball :) [03:28] hehe [03:29] *sigh*, that means I need to walk down to my basement === jdong postpones task until painkillers kick in [03:29] you mean you came out of your basement? [03:29] two flights of stairs is a bit too much for me to handle right now... [03:29] and plus, my torrent of mythbusters just finished [03:30] bye bye, suckers! [03:30] :) [03:30] :) [03:30] and oh by the way, I had to backport Ktorrent 2.0.2 to edgy so the damn download wouldn't lock up [03:30] and I'm not in the mood for dealing with kamion again today [03:30] so someone please poke him to let that UVF through [03:31] you had to backport it to edgy, or to dapper [03:31] edgy [03:31] if you had to backport it to edgy, what did you backport from? *g* === Hobbsee ducks [03:31] upstream :) [03:31] there's a UVF for ktorrent 2.0.2 sitting in launchpad idle for weeks now [03:32] bug #58139 [03:32] Malone bug 58139 in ktorrent "UVF exception request ktorrent 2.0.1 -> 2.0.2" [Low,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/58139 [03:33] right === jdong courageously poked kamion [03:34] hehe === jdong awaits his angry wrath [03:34] kamion's never tried to eat me === Jucato just observed that people on freenode love to poke people :) [03:34] he typically doesn't swallow me whole === Hobbsee wonders about Jucato's statement. === Jucato tries to poke himself, since he has no one else to poke... [03:35] <_Sime_> Tonio_: ping [03:35] hey _Sime_ [03:35] _Sime_: hey ;) [03:35] _Sime_: probably better go in private making a point on those patches :) [03:35] hah [03:36] you're about to get yelled at, it seems :P [03:36] lol [03:36] sounds like someone is in trouble +* === Jucato doesn't want to be a motu anymore :) [03:38] _Sime_: I /msg you the situation [03:39] Jucato: whyever not? === hunger_ [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:39] <_Sime_> I see that. [03:39] <_Sime_> wait a sec [03:39] Hobbsee: coz I'm too young to be eaten :P [03:39] Jucato: _Sime_'s not a MOTU> [03:39] ooh... aaah... :) [03:39] Jucato: ooh, you can join backports, which is where people who don't want to MOTU go! === jdong ducks [03:40] lol [03:40] lol === imbrandon kicks jdong [03:40] imbrandon: aren't you supposed to be napping? :P === Jucato thinks he saw Hobbsee ready her whip... === jdong kicks imbrandon back for his outdated ktorrent [03:40] heh, no, i was just laughing [03:40] and my whip is always ready. [03:40] jdong: that wouldent be good , as the quality of the requests would deminish farther than it alrady is === Jucato kicks himself because he can't kick anyone else :) === Hobbsee kicks Jucato [03:41] kicking party? [03:41] wee! my first kick! [03:41] lol [03:41] hm.. === Jucato kicks abattoir [03:41] >:) [03:41] wth? [03:41] yay! someone I could kick! === jdong quietly steps away to get breakfast [03:42] <_Sime_> Tonio_: I assume that the kdebase.3.5.4.orig.tar.gz never changes. [03:42] suddenly the maturity in this room drops to #ubuntuforums [03:42] _Sime_: correct === jdong hopes nobody from there is listening [03:42] jdong: sssh! don't say the magic word in front of imbrandon :P [03:42] Jucato: that's still an IRC channel [03:42] that ironically we are not affiliated with [03:42] ?? [03:42] #ubuntuforums is an IRC channel [03:42] ok now that's just confusing and weird... [03:42] Riddell: Kamion has uploaded 1.3(which fixes a bug in oem-config, and has kde-ui as a default option), i'll try the next build available [03:43] Jucato: I know. and it's costing the real forums in reputation, too [03:43] abattoir: great [03:43] _Sime_: hehe yes :) === jdong REALLY leaves to watch mythbusters and eat breakfast this time [03:43] heh. well I do see some names from #ubuntuforums that are also on the forums [03:43] Jucato: yeah, there are some people who overlap [03:44] (like you) [03:44] some of the mods in the channel are also ops === imbrandon points the j* to -offtopic === Jucato whistles... === jdong is now known as _jdong === _jdong whistles === Hobbsee points *j* to -offtopic [03:45] <_jdong> :) [03:45] :P === _jdong is now known as jdong [03:45] k, an on-topic question, what's up with hotpluggable media handling recently in edgy? [03:46] it's worse than it was in dapper, IMO [03:46] thats helpfull .... [03:46] jdong: we're testing some patches from _Sime_ [03:46] imbrandon: I'm just stating my opinion, not trying to flame anyone or cause offense [03:46] the unmount progress dialog is gone [03:47] no no i mean whats wrong with it , other then "its broke" , dident say you was flamin [03:47] ;) [03:47] and there's no more media:/ to watch all the mount points [03:47] imbrandon: if you give me a second to type ;) [03:47] its /media [03:47] imbrandon: /media does not show unmounted media [03:47] same options as media:/ [03:47] jdong: it does [03:47] it does if there is mount points [03:47] imbrandon: insert a USB stick, hit cancel on the popup dialog (to bypass mounting). [03:47] it shows a different icon for unmounted media [03:47] it does NOT show my usb stick [03:48] it shows a regular folder for usbdisk [03:48] clicking it does not mount it [03:48] and right click does not have any mount options [03:48] I have to mount it from the initial pop-up dialog [03:48] or it will not show up in /media [03:49] same goes for optical media [03:49] write it up on /KubuntuKDEMedia then what the behavure is and the expected behavure with the new patches is [03:49] hm... optical media shows up fine here [03:49] _Sime_: I have to go for 30 minutes === Riddell changes k-d-s to install the .hidden files [03:49] <_Sime_> Tonio_: ok, I'll remake this patch for this evening. === jdong waits for wiki page to load [03:49] _Sime_: great [03:49] Riddell: they dident before ? [03:49] no [03:50] ouch [03:50] Riddell: which files ? === imbrandon could have swore they did unless someone changed it [03:50] Riddell: in Knot 3, linux-headers-386 is installed by default, rather than linux-headers-generic? [03:51] Tonio_: /.hidden /media/.hidden [03:51] Riddell: ah... indeed [03:51] Jucato: i think there has been a change in the kernel naming procedure(and the variants available)... not sure though [03:51] Jucato: seems so [03:51] <_Sime_> Riddell: what are you hiding? [03:51] <_Sime_> the link === Hobbsee emails her maths teacher asking to let her be lazy. [03:52] Jucato: l-h-386 will pull in generic, right? [03:52] jdong: no [03:52] _Sime_: they are your .hidden files [03:52] jdong: no [03:52] l-h-386 pulls in l-h-2.6.17-7-386 [03:52] oh wow, we actually have a 386 kernel [03:52] I thought we kissed that sucker goodbye :P [03:52] so did I :) [03:53] transition phase probably [03:53] the transition isnt complete it doesnt look like [03:53] nothing to see here move along [03:53] oh speaking of that, anyone knows how to turn off SMP at bootup? [03:53] ;) [03:53] lol [03:53] jdong: ask in -kernel and why would you want to ? [03:53] _Sime_: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23882 [03:53] imbrandon: sadly there are some drivers that still barf when SMP is on :( [03:54] *cough* Ralink rt2x00 [03:54] and in choosing between kernel panic or losing half your processing power.... [03:54] Riddell: ./Makefile: install -m644 kde-hidden/hidden-media "$(DESTDIR)/media/.hidden" [03:54] Riddell: is there something wrong there ? [03:54] Tonio_: nope, but the files aren't in the .install file [03:54] <_Sime_> Riddell: cool [03:55] Riddell: okay [03:59] I just did an update to my system and it updated clamav stuff and I got all this stuff, can someone tell me what it means and if it's something wrong with my system or the package itself: http://pastebin.ulteo.us/110 [04:00] something debconf related is broken [04:00] no idea what [04:02] As in something on my system, or within the package that got installed ? === jdong|laptop [n=jdong@d192-24-235-141.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:03] *blink* [04:03] I swear....... ubiquity died yesterday when I clicked on it....... === jdong|laptop bangs head [04:03] see, Hobbsee, this is why I *asked* before making a useless LP ticket :) [04:04] ticket or bug? [04:04] bug, ticket, same thing :) [04:04] hell this whole laptop is a bug [04:04] it's not supposed to be able to boot AMD64 livecd's :) [04:05] but don't tell anyone I said that [04:05] shhhhhh === jdong|laptop is a collector of anomalies [04:07] where do /media bug reports go under? [04:07] I got a screenshot showing a USB stick unmounted on my desktop, but not showing up in /media [04:08] Jucato: /KubuntuKDEMedia [04:08] k, on the wiki? [04:08] jdong: thats not really a bug but an implmentation request / wiki [04:09] SOLVED: (Simon Edwards 13-8-2006) HAL doesn't send the mount point info for unmounted partitions. This stops unmounted mount points from being matched with their meta-data. (Simon Edwards 22-8-2006) . Solved in version 2 of the patches. [04:09] jdong: fyi i was just talking to celso , seems the backport fix for soyuz will drop this week , its up for revu now [04:09] does that sound like what I'm reporting? [04:10] imbrandon: excellent :) [04:10] jdong|laptop: not really i dont think [04:10] hmm, where on that page would I add feedback? [04:11] add a feedback section at the bottom just above the patches section i would say [04:11] imbrandon: You ever get a chance to look at that email/bug I sent you ? [04:11] imbrandon: ok, I'll do that, but if doc team hunts me down I'll give them your address instead :) [04:11] Hawkwind: yea , i poke someone else about it, i'll email you the details in a bit [04:11] jdong|laptop: wth does the doc team have to do with it ? heh [04:11] imbrandon: Many thanks [04:12] poked* [04:12] imbrandon: we've had run-ins with doc team regarding not following the ubuntu wiki page guidelines or stuff like that [04:12] doesn't doc team police the wiki? [04:13] only if its part of the help doc's [04:13] and that is not, we ( as in the KDE team ) police that page [04:13] ;) [04:13] cool, that makes me feel better already === jdong|laptop proceeds to prove he sucks at MoinMoin markup [04:14] e.g the doc teams domain is help.ubuntu.com/community [04:14] imbrandon: did you end up packaging gwenview? i did it last night and placed it on revu and did the UVF for it as well [04:15] even then its a community effert ;) thus a wiki [04:15] nixternal: we seen the uvf , Tonio_ ( the last one to tuch it did also ) [04:15] k [04:15] for future ref you might poke the last person to touch a package ;) [04:16] just so we dont dupe efferts ;) [04:16] roger that [04:16] but yea work with Tonio_ on that one, hes da man [04:16] nixternal: hey [04:16] yes, we duplicated our work [04:17] sorry about that [04:17] no worries, you live and learn ;) [04:17] just for future ref [04:18] nixternal: well you did it before, I should have checked launchpad too... === Huahua [n=hua_@122.0.229.40] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:19] heh. i thought i was staying out of the newsletter this week. [04:19] toma should have been credited, not me === imbrandon hasent read it yet [04:20] well i did on gobby when i was editing it but not the finished thing [04:20] ooh, UWN is out? === jdong|laptop rushes back to wiki [04:22] holy bejesus i'm in it tooo, i dident see that /me hides [04:22] and for a non-kde project no less, man-o-man [04:22] lol === jdong|laptop begins worshipping imbrandon for his mythtv packages === Jucato wonders why jdong|laptop hasn't worshipped imbrandon from the very beginning... [04:24] Jucato: too much worship isn't healthy [04:24] sez who? heh :) [04:25] lol, I see the space bar bug got coverage [04:28] hahah i got in for amarok 1.4.3 and core-dev also , jez 3 mentions in one news letter, that has to be a record === jdong|laptop chuckles [04:29] "A new medium has been detected" [04:29] doesn't that sound somewhat psychic? [04:30] /win 36 [04:30] err [04:33] anyone want to package scribus 1.2.5 and see if we can get an UVFe? [04:33] it's already in debian, just needs ubuntu changes re-applied [04:34] Riddell: if someone dosent get to it before i get up from my nap i can try [04:34] Riddell: okay, let's go :) [04:34] imbrandon: want to do it ? [04:35] Tonio_: dosent matter to me, i can , i just wanna sleep first heheh [04:35] imbrandon: so I'm doing it :) [04:35] okies ;) [04:43] sleep is for loosers === Jucato Googles for the definition of "sleep" [04:45] bah. sleep. === Hobbsee might do that at around 3am or so. === neoncode [n=neoncode@unaffiliated/neoncode] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh is now known as \sh_away === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:14] Riddell: you don't use branch pull on kde modules ? [05:14] fabo: no [05:15] Riddell: can i use them or you prefer to avoid ? [05:16] fabo: in debian sure [05:16] but if they get in the way of anything I'm doing I'll remove it :) [05:16] hehe [05:17] read that as "you can use them, but dont let them come anywhere near me" [05:17] heh [05:17] anyone on OS X? === fabo fabo don't understand ... branch pull or not ? :) [05:18] fabo: go ahead [05:18] in fact i want to know about kdepim dimap patch ;) [05:18] i can do a branch pull or just extract needed part ;) [05:19] Riddell: imbrandon is [05:19] fabo: I'd rather not have them in the kde main packages, extracting the patch from SVN is much preferable for me [05:20] Riddell: i'm on OSX right now [05:20] Riddell: as you wish boss ;) [05:20] Riddell: one sec though lemme grab a soda [05:20] hah. another one === Jucato though imbrandon was going to take a nap... [05:21] imbrandon: could you visit jriddell.org [05:21] Jucato: i was but the laptop keeps beeping at me [05:21] lol [05:21] imbrandon: in safari [05:21] Riddell: sure one sec [05:21] that's why you turn laptops *off* when trying to sleep [05:21] hah [05:21] or just mute the volume :P [05:22] Riddell: looks normal... wasup ? [05:22] Riddell: scribus building [05:23] imbrandon: that's firefox, I'm after safari [05:23] hahha i never noticed your favicon.ico before [05:23] I didn't put that there [05:23] ohh hrm lemme see if i have safari installed === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:24] nope, ummm laserjock should be on osx too [05:24] Riddell: kwwii_ might use osx too [05:24] or lemme find a safari download .... [05:25] no worries safari installing now [05:25] one sec [05:25] OS X without Safari... isn't that like XP without IE? :P [05:26] Jucato: be careful! MS lawyers might be watching! [05:26] heh :) === jdong|laptop tries to rsync ubuntu install onto a usb external [05:26] Jucato: no in apple you can actualy drag apps to the trash ;) [05:27] lol [05:27] Riddell: I'm also syncking scribus-template === bddebian [n=bdefrees@mail.ottens.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:27] hum, no need for this, no new upstream... strange [05:28] Riddell, kwwii_:just saw the new ksplash, supperb work ! [05:28] Heya folks [05:28] yop bddebian ;) [05:29] hi bddebian! [05:29] Hi Tonio_, Jucato [05:29] gasp! it boots! === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apokryphos- [n=apokryph@host-87-74-2-111.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:33] ok Riddell dug out my 10.4 cd's reinstalling safari now [05:34] is the ksplash the one that you see upon startup or is that different === jjesse trying to keep the terms different [05:35] jjesse: ksplash is the one you see after logging in [05:35] usplash (boot splash) is the one you see at boot (after GRUB) [05:35] Jucato: thanks :) [05:35] np :) === apokryphos_ [n=apokryph@host-87-74-35-233.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:37] Riddell: hehe, just saw I removed kubuntustyle accidentally in theme.rc.... this is why I couldn't get it to work with moodin.... sorry for this... [05:37] also moodin has a cache which is annoying for testing === apokryp3 [n=apokryph@host-87-74-48-175.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:39] Riddell: yes, but I had done the only line patch so my error was that setting removed... [05:40] Riddell: ok i'm there now with safari [05:40] that was quick :) [05:41] just had to reinstall it from the cd Jucato ;) [05:41] Riddell: something you need me to test ? [05:42] Riddell: talking about scribus, should we upgrade scribus-ng too ? [05:42] Tonio_: thanks, it is, of course, based on kdm [05:43] kwwii_: ;) [05:43] Tonio_: can do [05:44] Riddell: okay I'm finishing with scribus and doing the ng [05:44] kwwii_: concerning the usplash, did you notice it hangs at about 50% ? [05:45] I don't think that's linked to your theme, but it happens here at least [05:45] hehe, it is different from computer to computer [05:45] Riddell: need me to do anything special in safari ? /me stairs at the page [05:46] imbrandon: no thanks, just stealing your user agent [05:46] lol [05:46] Riddell: ahh ;) [05:47] Riddell: want me to downlaod camino for osx too ? [05:47] imbrandon spends a few minutes to install Safari, so that Riddell could still his user agent :) [05:47] Jucato: heheh was no biggie ;) [05:47] of course not, it's just funny :) [05:48] imbrandon: no thanks [05:48] okies === jjesse [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [05:50] imbrandon: The Knot3 is not compatible with wi-fi in a MacBook [05:50] rouzic: it works ootb with my ibook , i think yyou have to fiddle with it a bit for macbook [05:50] ask kwwii_ about the macbook ( ng stuff ) [05:51] rouzic: the airport works out of the box, the airport express needs a bit of config [05:52] The command iwconfig neither recognizes me the net "ath0" with that the Airport works, nor appears in Kcontrol === gnomefreak been gone for a while. was kde 3.5.3 backported to dapper? [05:52] gnomefreak: nope :) [05:52] airport shows up as eth1 ( the orinoco driver ) [05:52] thats not good :( [05:52] I thought KDE updates would never be backported [05:52] ath0 is the airport extreem [05:53] seems kubuntu-desktop has depends issues in dapper [05:53] I'm sure that KDE 3.5.4 shouldn't be coz it's buggy on Dapper... [05:53] I believe that this related to the package madwifi [05:53] looks like due to backports being enabled [05:53] gnomefreak: it does? [05:53] Jucato: thats what i just got done helping someone with [05:53] 3.5.3 or 4 isnt backported [05:53] Riddell: fyi, debdiff for scribus is about 7 MB [05:53] _Sime_: should we have nicer icons for /media and /home ? [05:53] don't know if mdz will accept this........ === kwwii_ only has ppc, no macbook [05:54] aptitude clears up the depends but apt-get didnt [05:54] Tonio_: just send the changelog [05:54] gnomefreak: backports causes depends issues with kubuntu-desktop?? [05:54] can you confirm that? [05:54] Imbrandon: from the Knot2 it does not recognize me the wifi, in the Knot1 if and this one me the reconocia as Ath0, like Dapper [05:54] jdong: no i cant but it looks like it [05:54] Riddell: too late.... [05:55] gnomefreak: I don't think there's anything in backports that'll contend with kubuntu-desktop -- what was the error? [05:55] jdong: i gave him aptitude before i could test # out the backports [05:55] gnomefreak: i doubt it, its probably a locaized issue, we need to look into it more [05:55] hmm === gnomefreak doesnt read pl [05:56] now there is an issue with aptitude wanting to remove 3/4 of your desktop but thats not becouse of backports [05:56] gnomefreak: the only "indirect" connections that kubuntu-desktop would probably have would be ktorrent 2.0.1 and amarok 1.4.2-.3 [05:56] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23891 is the error he got [05:57] it looked like kde-sys-settings was in there [05:57] default* [05:58] hmm, interesting [05:58] he hasn't used any repos outside of ubuntu ones? [05:58] hm.. interesting as well... (can't understand it...) [05:58] nope not from him [05:58] Jucato: it's the kubuntu-desktop depends on FOO, but FOO will not be installed error [05:58] thta could be alot of thing, i doubt its backports as they are built against the orig libs [05:58] ah [05:59] as imbrandon says, I highly doubt it's backports [05:59] thats the only thing i saw that made any sense thats why i asked [05:59] what lang is pl ? [05:59] polish [05:59] polish === imbrandon looks for a translator [05:59] Riddell: bug 61093 [05:59] Malone bug 61093 in scribus "1.2.4.1 -> 1.2.5 UVF Exception Request" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/61093 [05:59] lol [06:04] nixternal: ping ? [06:04] hello [06:04] well i couldent translate it but i just tried it on my dapper box with backports enabled and all works fine [06:04] gnomefreak: so he has other issues [06:04] nixternal: your gwenview uvfe has been approved... [06:05] cool beans ;) [06:05] nixternal: I can upload but I would need the source package :) [06:05] ok [06:05] ty imbrandon [06:05] it is on revu as well [06:05] nixternal: okay [06:05] http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3163 [06:06] bbiaf...work time === neoncode [n=neoncode@unaffiliated/neoncode] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:07] nixternal: uploaded === jdong|laptop [n=jdong@d192-24-235-141.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === toma [n=toma@84-53-90-221.wxdsl.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:20] gwenview 1.4 got approved? === jjesse [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato [n=jucato@210.213.193.148] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === Kuhrscher [n=jannick@88.134.177.224] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:33] Riddell: yep, by matt [06:33] Riddell: not my uvfe, but nixternal's [06:40] cool === jdong_ [n=jdong@d192-24-235-141.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === OdyX [n=Didier@170-184.1-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #kubuntu-devel === eln [n=konversa@port-83-236-238-37.static.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:19] <_Sime_> Tonio_: hi [07:20] <_Sime_> Tonio_: The patch was good, but might have been conflicting with some other patch. So I've reduced the number of needless diffs in Makefile.in and [07:20] <_Sime_> Tonio_: put the new patch up on the wiki. [07:21] _Sime_: hum, I looked at the tarball and other patches, there was no conflicts afaik [07:21] _Sime_: retesting [07:22] _Sime_: the 3 patches are ready ? [07:22] <_Sime_> Tonio_: I just fixed the wiki. The patch is now in the pending section. [07:22] <_Sime_> reload [07:22] <_Sime_> Tonio_: just one patch. [07:22] _Sime_: and how about the media_desktop one [07:23] <_Sime_> Tonio_: that didn't apply? [07:23] _Sime_: nope, this is the one that according to me is false :) [07:23] <_Sime_> Tonio_: ok, I'll cut down mediadesktop too. [07:23] <_Sime_> Tonio_: the patches are just not applying? that is the problem? [07:24] _Sime_: concerning this one, look at the GREP addition, that's already in kdebase sources.... [07:24] _Sime_: in fact you add several things that are already in the sources, and not added by other patches... [07:24] this is what I saw at least :) [07:25] <_Sime_> I'm diffing against a clean unpacked kdebase-3.5.4.orig.tar.gz. [07:26] tonio@kubuntu:~/Desktop/kdebase$ patch -p0 patching file kdebase-3.5.4/kicker/applets/media/Makefile.am [07:26] patching file kdebase-3.5.4/kicker/applets/media/Makefile.in [07:26] Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected! Assume -R? [n] [07:26] _Sime_: I'm not crazy, this patch is reversed :) [07:26] same issue than this morning :) [07:26] and on the same file, makefile.in [07:27] <_Sime_> Tonio_: can you clean out the source tree and just drop the new patches into the debian/patches dir? [07:27] <_Sime_> Tonio_: I've seen that kind of wierd behaviour too. [07:27] _Sime_: sure, but I did previously, and I had the same problem... [07:27] _Sime_: I'm testing the build with the patch as it is [07:27] <_Sime_> Tonio_: it will apply a patch, and then the next time that you issue the same command, it will reverse the patch. [07:28] <_Sime_> Tonio_: what is in the patch error log? [07:28] _Sime_: the problem is the issue there is on a clean source tree [07:28] _Sime_: I just apt-get source kdebase [07:28] I agree if I launch twice, it will tell me the patch is reversed === Dace [n=dace@62.142.195.83] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:30] _Sime_: okay I'm looking at the patch content and comparing with the sources... [07:31] _Sime_: okay, comparing with the sources : Makefile.am is okay, but Makefile.in is the opposite of what it should be [07:33] _Sime_: sorry for bugging you with this :) [07:33] <_Sime_> I'm apt-get source'ing [07:33] <_Sime_> apt-get source also applies patches??? [07:33] _Sime_: no [07:34] <_Sime_> pkg-source: applying ./kdebase_3.5.4-0ubuntu20.diff.gz [07:34] <_Sime_> yes [07:34] _Sime_: it applies the diff, not the patches [07:35] you can check for any patch and compare, they are not patched in the sources [07:35] <_Sime_> HA! but that is not the same as the *.orig.tar.gz file [07:35] <_Sime_> kdebase-3.5.4_orig.tar.gz is what i've been diffing against. [07:35] <_Sime_> I'll redo that patch. [07:35] _Sime_: hum, it should be the same, except the debian folder.... [07:35] _Sime_: where is the difference ? [07:36] don't include Makefile.in in patches, but that's usually the packager's problem [07:36] <_Sime_> that big *.diff.gz patches all of the Makefile.in files (I tink. [07:36] it does yes === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm61.omega22.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:37] <_Sime_> I've got Makefile.am and Makefile.in changes, but the Makefile.ins won't be redone after the debian/patches? [07:37] <_Sime_> I don't think so [07:37] they will [07:37] we re-run automake/autoconf after any new patches [07:38] Who does? :) [07:38] that's why the .diff.gz has most of its Makefile.in's modified [07:38] Riddell: okay, that's now cleart [07:38] s/cleart/clear [07:39] <_Sime_> ok, so I'll just dike out my Makefile.in diffs. [07:40] bddebian: we do. with make -f debian/rules buildprep [07:40] which applys patches, runs make -f admin/Makefile.common, and removes patches [07:40] and make -f admin/Makefile.common is KDE's way of running autoblah [07:41] <_Sime_> wiki is slow [07:41] known problem [07:42] Riddell: I was being sarcastic, sorry :-) === mbiebl [n=michael@dslb-084-056-242-121.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:49] <_Sime_> Tonio_: ok, the kdestop patch should be good now. [07:56] _Sime_: okay [07:56] _Sime_: and the kickermedia too ? === toma [n=toma@84-53-90-221.wxdsl.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mdz [n=mdz@studiocity-motorola-bsr1-70-36-194-85.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:01] <_Sime_> Tonio_: yeah, [08:03] _Sime_: great eating and I upload them [08:03] Tonio_: hang on === Parkotron [n=parker@dyn129-100-97-133.bc.uwo.ca] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:03] Tonio_: what are you uploading? [08:04] Riddell: _Sime_'s updated patches on kdebase [08:04] Tonio_: ok, I'm uploading kdelibs [08:04] Riddell: but I'll test locally before, as always.... [08:04] Riddell: cool no problem [08:04] so just incase you were doing kdelibs too [08:04] Riddell: hehe [08:04] boah, my entire day was eaten up doing the taxes for last year and applying for me "artist" status in germany :-( [08:05] after that, making window buttons is fun :-) [08:55] Riddell: ktorrent 2.0.2 uploaded ( and uvf approved ) [08:56] imbrandon: you're the man [08:56] hehe i wouldent say that ;) [08:58] yay! ktorrent 2.0.2 :) [08:59] imbrandon: got a dapper pbuilder handy for closing the backports side of the ticket? [08:59] jdong yea i built in both at the same time [08:59] when i tested it [09:00] cool, did you approve the backport yet? [09:00] nvm, I'll do it [09:00] grr, that's right [09:00] speaking of, Riddell do you know why amarok is wanting libfam ( from universe ) with unchanged sources when build in dapper pbuilder ? [09:00] soyuz isn't ready yet :P [09:00] jdong: yea soyuz isnt fixed yet === jdong bangs head some more [09:01] imbrandon: what does it fail with? [09:01] Riddell: its something about the konqui sidebar but it shouldent need a source change at all i wouldent think ( hasent upto now ) [09:02] when it tries to build the koqi sidebar it cant find labfam.la or something [09:02] or fam.la [09:03] in dapper kdelibs-dev should bring in libfam [09:03] cant rember exactly, i'll have to start the build over and try it [09:03] hrm libfam is in universe ( edgy and dapper ) [09:03] err libfam-dev [09:03] lemme try it again so i can get you an exact error [09:04] libgamin-dev rathe [09:06] heheh rathe somewhere other than stargate atlantis ;) === Riddell suspects reference to popular culture [09:08] ;) [09:09] brb more dew while this attempts to build on my poor little ibook ;) === thefisist [n=opera@p54AA2392.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === thefisist [n=opera@p54AA2392.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [09:17] _Sime_: ping ? [09:19] _Sime_: kickermedia still fails to apply and still has makefile.in strings... [09:19] _Sime_: I'm removing this part from the patch. [09:20] Riddell: is anything currently in the repo using cmake ? ( question in u-devel ) === mbiebl [n=michael@dslb-084-056-242-121.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@adsl-221-126-175.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:33] imbrandon: kde4 stuff? [09:33] Tm_T: yea , luckaly Riddell uplaoded some kde4 stuff reciently ;) [09:34] so, there is [09:34] kde4libs and kde4base , not sure about anything else [09:35] strigi [09:35] ahh ;) === Tonio_ [n=tonio@137.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:37] man i'm working this poor ibook to death today, its compiling amarok for dapper amarok for osx/fink and kde4base for qt/mac [09:37] if this dont make it overheat i dunno what will [09:37] _Sime_: this time it is okay. I'm finishing the build and upload [09:38] imbrandon: those ibooks are hard to kill, i must say. [09:38] hehh yea [09:39] i just figured out i can cmdkey+N to swap console windows like in irssi too, its sooo nice, no need for a mouse [09:39] Riddell: is strigi good? [09:39] anyone got some review time on their hands? if so hit up revu and search 'nixternal'...there are a few on there..don't worry about gwenview, as it has been accepted and uploaded already ;) [09:39] fdoving: it's promising [09:41] Riddell: cool, i'll install and test :) === andrunko [n=andrunko@200.184.118.132] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:57] Riddell: ok good new and bad news , heh i updated my pbuilder and all is well with amarok on dapper, bad news, well i just wasted alot of time trying to figure that out when i should have had it updated to begin with ;) === jjesse [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === danimo [n=danimo@kde/danimo] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:41] imbrandon: ping? [10:53] has there been any major changes with Ubiquity since the Dapper release? this is for the release notes installation section [10:56] ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh [10:56] inkscape died === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm61.omega22.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:00] kwwii_: save early, save often... ;) === danimo ducks and runs [11:03] _Sime_: ping ? [11:04] <_Sime_> hi [11:04] _Sime_: little issue (latest) with the media_desktop patch [11:04] _Sime_: it doesn't find medium.h to load [11:04] _Sime_: /tmp/buildd/kdebase-3.5.4/./kdesktop/kdiconview.cc:61:20: error: medium.h: No such file or directory [11:05] I assume it is just the path to fix [11:05] <_Sime_> Tonio_: it is probably because Makefile.in hasn't been updated from Makefile.am [11:05] <_Sime_> Tonio_: adding the extra path is the main reason why I had to edit makefile.am. [11:06] <_Sime_> Tonio_: maybe Riddell knows what the best thing to do is. [11:06] _Sime_: hum....... it should update makefile.in [11:06] Riddell: ping ? [11:06] _Sime_: yes I can see the changes in Makefile.am [11:07] _Sime_: well I can force make -f admin/makefile.common in rules [11:08] hmm? [11:08] _Sime_: but in theory, that should be automatic as long as Makefile.am is more recent than Makefile.in [11:08] Tonio_: run it manually before building [11:08] Riddell: so I run it and debuild -S -sa ? [11:09] no need for -sa [11:09] to have the changes in diff.gz ? [11:09] and build it locally first to make sure it works [11:09] yeah I know, I'm just typing this automatically :) [11:09] okay I can do it before, but I though it was cleaner to have it in rules....... [11:10] not really, it only needs run once [11:11] yes, since that will stay in diff.gz for next updates, I assume [11:11] is it normal that i can't build kdepim because of kdelibs -> libkleopatra ? [11:13] Riddell: but what if the patch is applied during the build ? [11:13] Riddell: then Makefile.in will not be rebuild... I think so [11:13] Riddell: no ? [11:24] Tonio_: that's why you do buildprep [11:24] which applies, autoconfs, unapplies [11:24] fabo: no [11:24] although it was rebuilt today [11:25] Riddell: what happens if you type "konversation" in minicli? [11:27] so what does everyone think about the window deco, buttons, etc.? [11:27] Riddell: yeah I understand, so that the Makefiles changes are in diff.gz [11:28] Riddell: i'm inside an edgy pbuilder up-to-date [11:32] kwwii_: nice kdm bootscreen [11:32] kwwii_: what about them? [11:33] danimo: thanks:-) I was wondering if the buttons and window gradient don't look too plain [11:34] I have a really glossy version ready, but not sure how to go about it [11:34] I do not want to cause a big fuss about them if everyone hates it and prefers the older ones [11:35] kwwii_: did that change? I haven't restarted yet [11:36] kwwii_: what is the current colorscheme? === mdz [n=mdz@studiocity-motorola-bsr1-70-36-194-85.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:38] Riddell: fixed ... a timeout during packages download ... [11:39] danimo: we have an adjusted color scheme in knot3 (unless I am wrong) [11:39] we have adjusted the colour scheme [11:40] danimo: and the buttons in knot3 have not been changed (pun aside) [11:41] I will post a screenshot...one second [11:41] kwwii_: odd, the colorscheme has not updated despite my recent update 5 mins ago [11:42] kwwii_: or is it still purple? :) === neoncode [n=neoncode@unaffiliated/neoncode] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:42] danimo: the difference is minor [11:42] danimo: yes [11:42] the bg is blue-purple [11:43] kwwii_: ok [11:43] kwwii_: looks better now [11:43] kwwii_: might still be too sun'ish [11:44] :p [11:44] sun and apple stole the good colors [11:45] http://bootsplash.org/snapshot5.png [11:46] kwwii_: that's a different kind of color than I have [11:46] kwwii_: and the window deco looks different [11:47] kwwii_: what's the colors name? [11:47] danimo: yes, that is the new stuff [11:47] the difference is not the color of the window deco, but the overlay [11:47] it makes it darker [11:48] what overlay? [11:48] the overlay used in the window deco...it is the gradient that makes the 3d effect [11:48] ah [11:48] ah, there we go again [11:48] more updates! [11:49] but non for ubuntu-default-settings === jott [n=j@unaffiliated/jott] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:50] kwwii_: when was the color update submitted? [11:51] kwwii_: my last update is from 14:47 [11:51] danimo: dude, I did not say that you will get anything...I was saying that I wanted your opinion on the new stuff [11:51] kwwii_: aahhh, I thought it was in already :) [11:51] danimo: the last change was in knot3 [11:51] kwwii_: sorry for the confusion [11:51] :p [11:51] kwwii_: I like what I saw on the screenshot, at least to what I see on my laptop right now [11:52] anyone else with an opinion? [11:52] kwwii_: reminds me a bit of a deco that suse had once ;) [11:52] danimo: ? I made their stuff, and none of it looked this good :-) [11:53] kwwii_: yes, up until half a year ago :) [11:53] kwwii_: and first of all I am ignorant (so it might have never looked exactly that way) [11:53] hehe, nothing new in the way of artwork since then [11:53] well, the gloss effect is pretty typical [11:53] kwwii_: and secondly I am bad at assiciating things with dates [11:54] it looks very good [11:54] kwwii_: me likey shiny thingies ;) [11:55] kwwii_: so go for it [11:59] hehe, going on one opinion [11:59] yeah, I'll do that [11:59] :p [12:00] Tonio_: opinion? [12:00] Riddell: you? [12:01] hmm? [12:02] kwwii_: let me read ;) [12:02] what are we talking about? [12:02] Riddell: looks like buildprep resolved the issue. thanks for the tip :) that avoids changing debian/rules ! [12:04] kwwii_: concerning the window deco, I like it like that.... [12:04] kwwii_: I don't have any proposal to improve this... [12:05] Tonio_: like what? as it is in knot3 or as it is in the screenshot? [12:05] kwwii_: didn't look at the screenshot, I was talking about knot3 [12:05] I need to know if I should update the buttons and titlebar bg to the stuff shown in the screenshot [12:05] hehe [12:05] let me look at the screenshot [12:06] kwwii_: hum, screenshot is nice too....... hehe :) [12:06] which screeshot? [12:06] kwwii_: worth testing I would say [12:06] http://bootsplash.org/snapshot5.png [12:07] but they are two totally opposing styles, I think [12:07] kwwii_: yes, true [12:07] kwwii_: I would like to see that moving on the screen to have a final opinion [12:07] but it is clean too === zorglu_ [n=zorglub@134.43.102-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:08] Riddell: any opinion ? [12:08] kwwii_: I think the idea would be to include it and ask [12:08] we have time to switch back if people don't like it [12:08] yeah, I can always bug you guys to revert things :-) [12:09] kwwii_: exactly [12:09] shiny [12:09] yes [12:09] shiny good? shiny bad? [12:09] hi, i spend quite some time helping people on #kubuntu and i notice a lot of people spend time adding multiverse/universe repository in their source.list, i was wondering if it would be possible to make a .deb which automatically put universe/multiverse in the /etc/apt/source.d/ directory and thus make this very common operation eaiser to the user ? [12:09] shiny superb ;) [12:10] zorglu_: I agree, everyone is adding universe and multiverse.... === kwwii_ thinks mark would like it [12:10] zorglu_: but in my opinion, that shouldn't be done by a package... [12:10] Tonio_: how would you make it easier for the user ? [12:10] zorglu_: in an ideal worls, that should be done by the installer [12:11] world [12:11] "do you want to allow the installation of unsupported/non-free softwares ?" [12:11] like an option 'click here to get the universe/multiverse' with a text explain what is it ? [12:11] but I think canonical will never accept this :) [12:11] why not ? [12:11] Tonio_: too much of a legal risk [12:11] ah ok