=== Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-ba4f5faea072c844] has joined #ubuntu-devel === holycow [n=a@mail.wjsgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === didymo [n=ashley@CPE-61-9-197-223.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:20] tseng: apparently it's not in the desktop suite === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tortoise_ [n=tortoise@194.164.140.64] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:38] jdub: well, I know the reason its not there [12:38] jdub: on that level.. any reason it shouldnt be promoted and in -desktop? [12:39] not that i know of [12:39] hm [12:39] it's a pretty widely distributed chipset now [12:39] its quite a pain getting networking up sometimes to install it [12:39] depending on where you are [12:40] for some reason dhclient isnt acking dchp offers for me atm [12:40] (on the wire) [12:40] gotta put in my long ass wepkey === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@cpe-74-67-44-20.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [n=scott@syndicate.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:54] ho hi Keybuk [12:54] oh, that's good, firefox don't work *cry* === apokryphos [n=apokryph@host-87-74-28-146.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nictuku [n=yves@ubuntu/member/nictuku] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk makes a mental note to kill iwj in the morning :p [01:00] or at least hurt [01:00] yeah, you want him to be able to recover and fix it ;-) [01:03] yes, but I don't necessarily want him to live much longer afterwards [01:03] lynx just isn't that useful for porn === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:04] Howdy folks === jordi [n=jordi@115.Red-213-96-69.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan [n=shackan@85-18-14-13.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:20] Keybuk: my eyes bleed when I start firefox :( [01:20] why? [01:20] I just get a XUL/XML error [01:20] some really sucky ui regressions [01:20] remember the go button? [01:21] not only is it a part of the url bar now, so it cannot be removed [01:21] either you have both the url bar and the go button, or neither [01:21] but it is also way to big [01:22] the url bar takes less than 50% of the width now === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:22] http://apocalypse.realroot.be/~chipzz/ff2beta.png [01:22] which would be usefull to you if firefox actually worked for you ;) [01:23] you're right, it's massively large [01:23] tried the usual crap like removing the profile and that didn't help either [01:23] the search bar is also a big regression imo [01:23] that looks more like a busted theme [01:24] I only removed some buttons from the toolbar actually [01:24] the rest is whatever ubuntu ships [01:26] the backspace -> pageup instead of back is also very annoying [01:26] did you update it? [01:26] Chipzz: are you using a theme from firefox-ubuntu-themes? === wasabi__ [n=wasabi@c-67-166-172-239.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:27] chipzz@Reel:~$ dpkg --get-selections | grep firefox [01:27] firefox install [01:27] firefox-gnome-support install [01:27] firefox-themes-ubuntu install [01:28] and I'm using whatever ubuntu has the user use as a theme for firefox with those packages installed [01:29] the problem with the themes is known as bug 60643 [01:29] Malone bug 60643 in firefox-themes-ubuntu "[Edgy] The "Go" button is much to wide when using Firefox 2.0b2" [Untriaged,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/60643 === kylem [n=kyle@cabal.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:33] at the rate this is going I'm considering downgrading firefox to the 1.5 version and putting it on hold permanently === AlinuxOS [n=alinux@d83-176-107-91.cust.tele2.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi__ [n=wasabi@c-67-166-172-239.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mbiebl [n=michael@dslb-084-056-226-102.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === geser [n=michael@dialin104181.justdsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=bob@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-devel === welshbyte [n=welshbyt@cpc3-cwma2-0-0-cust276.swan.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === johnmorr [n=jwm@boost.horde.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === wasabi__ [n=wasabi@c-67-166-172-239.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === holycow [n=a@mail.wjsgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@221.221.163.246] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:02] oh, that's weird [03:03] it's not just evo doing the "folder display|..." thing [03:03] totem is doing "short time format|..." [03:04] Keybuk!! [03:04] You probably know [03:05] Are we supposed to be including .la files any longer or not? [03:05] yes [03:05] Crap. I swore I heard that we were not [03:05] there are differing opinions on this [03:05] some people are wrong [03:06] Gah === bddebian just turns in his "badge" [03:06] lol [03:06] why? [03:06] Because I suck? [03:07] why do you suck? [03:07] Because I'm stupid? [03:07] why are you stupid? [03:07] you seem perfectly able to me [03:07] mhm [03:10] Keybuk: Well now obviously you are now uninformed ;-) [03:10] I'm sure the person who told you was someone like seb128 [03:10] who is firmly in the anti-libtool brigade [03:11] heh [03:11] the basic problem is that they cause bugs to show up [03:11] which seb would rather sweep under the carpet and pretend were somebody else's problem [03:11] :p [03:12] like, say, YOURS [03:12] By including them or not including them? [03:12] including them [03:12] mine? [03:12] your problem! === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:12] what's my problem? [03:13] seb's under-carpet mess [03:13] I haven't maintained Libtool for a couple of years [03:13] seb's mess shows up in other places === ajmitch starts hating initramfs again [03:13] like the other day when symbols mysteriously vanished from a library without a SONAME bump [03:13] which he still claims wasn't an ABI change :p [03:19] You folks keep confusing my dumb ass :-) [03:19] thats so an ABI change [03:21] bddebian: oh stop [03:34] any ubuntu sysadmins about? [03:34] sure [03:35] need to see what's wrong with optus@syncproxy.ubuntu.com, the password no longer seems to work === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:40] isit just me or is the wiki slow? [03:40] hey spaz [03:41] zul: yeah, the wiki's been slow recently === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Seveaz [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:56] bod, #ubuntu-mirrors (usually they're there at non-insane UTC+1 hours) [03:59] why is gnome-power-manager all of a sudden pulling numbers out of its ass? [04:00] because it can find no useful numbers? [04:01] well, it used to do everything right [04:01] now, it's pulling percentages and times out of it ass [04:01] look! I have 18 hours of battery life left! [04:01] 75% [04:01] bod: ah, i was thinking "admins of ubuntu-based systems" ;-) [04:02] while acpi -V tells me I have 35 minutes / 15% left [04:02] bod: you can use the mailing list too [04:02] now, I consider that pulling numbers out of its ass [04:03] jdub, shouldn't you be on your way to brussels? === JanC [n=janc@lugwv/member/JanC] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:04] jdong, woah, I want a battery with 18h lifetime! [04:04] preferably if it weighs less than a metric shitload [04:04] Seveas: yeah, gnome-power-manager is really trying to tease me on this one :) [04:05] Seveas: unfortunately for various reasons, i won't be there [04:05] jdub, dang! === jdong files bug on launchpad [04:06] We need an all doko all the time channel :-) [04:07] heh [04:07] aha! the bullshit originates from HAL :) === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:09] jdong, excellent quote to take out of context [04:09] Seveas: hehe.... === robertj [n=robertj@68-117-221-30.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=bob@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC_ [n=bcollins@72.169.114.90] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _human_blip_ [n=mike@220.157.65.29] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bod [n=bod@debian/developer/bod] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [05:31] slomo: ping? === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.9.33.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mempf [n=mempf@S0106000129f69144.vs.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:02] jdub: ping? [06:05] fabbione: pong [06:05] jdub: can you test a fixed mdadm for me? [06:05] sure [06:07] ok [06:07] one sec that i am building it [06:07] fabbione: what's been fixed in mdadm? [06:07] keescook: it wanted to stop arrays on upgrade [06:08] and it needs to kick an initramfs update [06:08] ah-ha, cool. [06:09] jdub: people.u.c/~fabbione/mdadm_2.4.1-6ubuntu3_i386.deb [06:11] man, initramfs build takes ages these days [06:12] fabbione: !!!1111 [06:12] fabbione: it installed! :) === ajmitch needs to test this.. [06:13] also, i'm getting this during initramfs builds atm: [06:13] cpio: ./sbin/vgchange: No such file or directory [06:13] i'll file [06:13] i didn't get that === bronson [n=bronson@c-71-198-75-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:14] Setting up mdadm (2.4.1-6ubuntu3) ... [06:14] update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.17-7-generic [06:14] * Starting RAID monitoring service mdadm --monitor [ ok ] [06:14] that's about it [06:14] can you check if that symlink actually exists on your system [06:14] bah feh [06:14] that comes from lvm [06:14] Yeah. [06:14] do you have lvm2 installed? [06:14] fabbione: you probably have lvm installed [06:14] no [06:15] iz not a buf [06:15] bug [06:15] it is a minor issue ;) [06:15] and it's not an md issue [06:15] jdub: Can you trace through and find what's trying to copy it? [06:15] yeah [06:15] jdub: That was specifically hacked around in dapper, I'm trying to find if someone dropped my change. [06:16] it's now #60996 [06:17] jdub: initramfs-tools itself doesn't copy vgchange anywhere anymore. [06:17] jdub: So, can you rgrep through /usr/share/initramfs-tools and /etc/initramfs-tools for the offending string? [06:18] oh [06:18] i was just sh -x ing it [06:18] $ grep -rl vgchange /usr/share/initramfs-tools /etc/initramfs-tools [06:18] /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/local-top/lvm [06:18] /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/lvm [06:19] jdub: Right, and we don't ship either of those. [06:19] so you have lvm partially installed [06:19] infinity: we do in lvm [06:19] Oh, lvm-common ships those. [06:19] it's the latter [06:19] if [ ! -x /sbin/vgchange -a ! -d /lib/lvm-200 ] ; then [06:19] which is installed! [06:19] exit 0 [06:19] fi [06:19] Clearly, that's not tripping. [06:19] and i can remove it [06:20] Yeah, I don't want you to remove it. [06:20] This should work. [06:20] infinity: want to take care of it? [06:20] or should i? [06:20] but for me removing lvm is not an option [06:20] I'm removing lvm right now. :) [06:20] /dev/mapper/gordian-root on / type ext3 (rw,data=ordered) [06:20] thanks :) [06:20] yeah, i'll only remove it after testing this [06:21] jdub: What's responsible for /lib/lvm-200 existing on your system? [06:21] jdub: When I remove lvm2, it's completely gone. [06:21] it's not [06:21] but [06:21] this is interesting [06:21] $ ls /sbin/vgchange [06:21] lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 2005-09-17 08:17 /sbin/vgchange -> lvmiopversion [06:21] Yeah, that's correct. [06:21] alternatives? [06:22] no [06:22] all lvm calls are calling the same binary [06:22] No, not an alternative. [06:22] ah [06:22] lvm is thpethial. [06:22] lvm decides how it has been called from $0 [06:22] lvm binary is like a shell [06:22] And lvm-common ships a wrapper binary to auto-select lvm10 versus lvm2 [06:22] $ if [ ! -x /sbin/vgchange -a ! -d /lib/lvm-200 ] ; then echo pants; fi; echo $? [06:22] try to invoke lvm alone and you get the same set of commands [06:22] 0 [06:23] jdub: Err, wait. No pants? [06:23] no pants man. the way it ought to be. except in this case. [06:23] jdub: Oh, crap. Yes, I can reproduce. [06:23] jdub: I'll dig. [06:23] dash'ism? [06:23] bashism? === mayday_jay [n=mayday_j@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:23] Oh, duh. [06:23] '-a' is a bashism. [06:23] Thanks, Fabio. === infinity fixes. [06:24] ] && { [06:24] well [06:24] without the typo [06:24] rad === infinity needs to change his login shell to dash for this reason. === jdub updates bug [06:27] Also, that was always wrong anyway.. [06:28] That should be an OR, not an AND... === CameronBergh [n=cameron@c-24-22-122-59.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === CameronBergh [n=cameron@c-24-22-122-59.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Xoff [n=mas01cr@gibbons.doc.gold.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nags [n=nags@125.16.129.16] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kent [n=kent@82.145.136.38] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:42] Good morning [06:42] hi pitti [06:43] hey pitti [06:43] hey pitti! [06:44] hey ajmitch === pitti hugs Hobbsee, fabbione, and ajmitch [06:44] ooh, group hug. dont let me get squished :P === Hobbsee pictures herself being hugged by giants [06:45] Hobbsee: did you ever file a bug for that ubuntulog thingy? === pitti is 1.86m, hardly a giant :) [06:45] pitti: that's because you are skinny :) [06:45] fabbione: no, it's on my mental to-do list, or just to bug you when you had stopped talking [06:46] hah [06:46] pitti: take my 1.82 and add the power of the size :P === administrator [i=jadaz87@outbound.silenceisdefeat.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Naked [i=naked@naked.iki.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Naked is now known as Hadaka === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:59] hiya pitti [07:00] hi keescook, how are you? === pitti waves to slomo [07:00] great! you? I was just digging around in malone, and thought I'd build a fix for the clamav cve... [07:01] the control file reverted the Standards-Version from 3.7.0 to 3.6.2, and I don't know why... :P [07:04] whiprush: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=259210 === ajmitch was reading that one just a few minutes ago [07:05] looking [07:05] ajmitch: you had better be at Mountainview [07:06] Burgundavia: unlikely, it'd require sponsorship [07:07] wasabi left a good comment on my blog post yesterday about this stuff. === ajmitch rereads the blog [07:09] keescook: some buglet introduced by merging; feel free to revert [07:09] pitti: yeah, sorta dropped that part of the debdiff (see bug 59915) [07:09] Malone bug 59915 in clamav "clamav in dapper vulnerable to critical heap overflow" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/59915 [07:10] whiprush: yeah, I should make some notes on that stuff.. [07:10] keescook: apart from the version number, this looks good [07:10] like I have the code for getting the info from SRV records, etc [07:11] pitti: what should the version number be? 1.1 instead of 2? [07:11] keescook: exactly [07:11] whiprush: holy crap "In order to address this gap, Red Hat, Novell, Ubuntu and others must work together. It will require a concentrated combined effort that draws together expertise from a wide variety of sources. That way, Linux application developers could work with a standardardized but modularized tool.," Ted Haeger [07:11] ajmitch: I am going to start speccing some of the other stuff [07:11] keescook: also, can you please state the origin of the patch in the changelog? [07:11] ok, ted is bloody brilliant [07:11] pitti: okay, adjusting [07:11] keescook: (upstream cvs, other distro, some other bug report, etc) [07:11] whiprush: yeah, I'd love to sit down with you & some beers :) [07:12] put in for sponsorship, you never know. *shrug* [07:12] whiprush: written my name down [07:12] sweet [07:12] keescook: building coreutils now, btw [07:13] pitti: okay, cool. FYI, I needed to give debuild -e SHELL to pass the weird dircolors test. [07:14] pitti: is "Patch from upstream version 0.88.4." sufficient, or should I be even more explicit? [07:14] keescook: that's fine [07:14] keescook: just that we can track whether we invented it ourselves, or where it came from [07:14] whiprush: I'd love to spec out some of the desktop love that's needed soon [07:14] keescook: e. g. sometimes we take them from fedora bug report attachments, etc [07:18] pitti: we'll probably want new libpam-{krb5,heimdal} to go along with krb5, I'll file for syncs later tonight [07:18] ajmitch: I only requested a sync for the security update, it shouldn't change any API/ABI? [07:18] it shouldn't, but I still want them :) [07:19] seeing the bug just reminded me of it [07:19] ok, so it doesn't need coordination [07:19] oh, and I uploaded libgphoto2 without libhal-dev change, in case you get a flood of bugs :) [07:20] pitti: okay, 59915 has been updated with a better debdiff. === ajmitch hasn't seen any new gphoto-related bugs so far though [07:23] keescook: thanks; will upload today === human_blip [n=mike@220.157.65.29] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:24] whiprush: another interesting piece for today, via planet gentoo: http://blog.stuartherbert.com/gentoo.php/2006/09/17/are_we_on_the_rpath [07:30] pitti: I emailed you a "details" section for clamav, I'm off to bed. :) [07:30] keescook: thanks; sleep well! === tritium [n=tritium@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:31] keescook: oh, a minute please [07:31] yup, still here === poningru [n=poningru@ip70-171-62-28.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === johanbr [n=j@d154-20-236-61.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === elkbuntu [n=melissa@ppp47-101.lns2.syd6.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B104A.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:47] good morning [07:49] dholbach: saw your hackergotchi in a magazine couple of days ago [07:49] hey dholbach [07:50] heya pitti - hey poningru [07:50] poningru: which one was that? === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:50] poningru: linux format something? [07:50] hey slomo [07:51] yeah linux format [07:51] http://www.flickr.com/photos/puggles/244944977/ [07:51] that shows the magazine cover [07:52] they wrote "dan holbach" [07:53] nobody on earth calls me "dan", but anyway - i got my "best bits" coverd - LOL! :) [07:54] (it said "dan's best bits" above a tiny piece of text they quoted me on) [07:55] btw. Happy REVU day! === elkbuntu [n=melissa@ppp47-101.lns2.syd6.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B02C8.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.217.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Harti [n=Harti@unaffiliated/harti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === johanbr [n=j@d154-20-236-61.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-120-239-162.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marilize [n=marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdub hugs marilize === dholbach hugs jdub and marilize === marilize hugs jdub and dholbach! === kagou [n=kagou@84.5.173.178] has joined #ubuntu-devel === desrt pushes jdub to hug dholbach === desrt stays away from the whole mess === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:43] desrt: you know you want a group hug === Kamion [n=cjwatson@83-216-156-196.colinw664.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:47] hi Kamion [08:48] morning [08:48] Hi Kamion [08:48] hi Kamion === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === basanta [n=basanta@202.79.37.177] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@62.16-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan [n=shackan@85-18-14-13.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === olemke [n=olemke@193.10.130.184] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [n=carlos@138.Red-81-39-35.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:01] pitti: morning [09:01] hi carlos [09:02] pitti: so, what should I do with dapper lang packs? touch those .po files? [09:02] or will you use the tarball I gave you? [09:02] carlos: if you can, yes; as I said, otherwise I need to hack my scripts to incorporate them at every build, but that's not going to be very robust [09:03] ok, I will do it then [09:03] carlos: don't you have access to the db to touch the timestamps of the affected packages with a script? [09:03] did you upload a new lang pack for dapper already? [09:03] carlos: I must not upload to *-updates ATM [09:03] pitti: yeah, but that changes some metadata, that's why I tried to find another solution [09:03] pitti: ok [09:04] ok.. let's give a shot to d-i on sparc [09:05] fabbione: (I don't know what you are up to, but I did not release the new kernel to the official archive yet) [09:06] pitti: yes i am aware of that. the problem arise once we delete the old ABI kernel from the archive [09:06] pitti: at that point d-i netboot/netinstall won't be able to fetch the udeb [09:06] and so it needs to be updated [09:06] yes [09:06] for the old releases we didn't really care [09:07] but now we do support a netboot/netinstall only machine [09:07] and we care [09:07] anyway there is no hurry [09:07] untill there is the old kernel everything is good [09:09] weird, LP says that pilot-link 0.12.1-3 has built on all arches (2 days ago), it has no new binary packges, but is not in the archive yet === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@221.221.163.248] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono [n=jono@88-107-0-133.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has joined #ubuntu-devel === giftnudel [n=mb@p54B2A586.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:33] dholbach: Let me look around. [09:35] infinity: thank you [09:36] It was accepted... [09:37] | N libpisock9/0.12.1-3/i386 Component: main Section: libs Priority: OPTIONAL [09:37] SONAME bump? [09:37] Indeed. [09:37] dholbach: It was binary NEW. SONAME bump. [09:38] dholbach: Check "apt-cache rdepends libpisock8"... Are you ready to upload to rebuild all of those after I pass this through NEW? [09:38] oh? [09:38] happy to do so [09:38] Alright. I'll process it now, then. [09:39] thank a lot! [09:39] gnome-pilot{,-conduits} should be done soon, I'll look after the others [09:40] Alright. Processed and accepted. [09:40] Thank you for shopping at #ubuntu-devel. Please, come again. === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach hugs infinity === tkamppeter [i=till@nat/mandriva/x-af67d1c203660bb1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@84-45-197-14.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt__ [n=jack@221.221.163.248] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === culix [n=culix@unaffiliated/culix] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Xoff is now known as Xof === apokryphos [n=apokryph@host-87-74-28-146.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:17] woohoo, knot-3 in the news: http://www.golem.de/0609/47851.html [10:18] rock :) === Spads [n=spacehob@82.211.81.249] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@mailhost.newtec.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lmanul [n=manu@dan75-4-82-239-58-38.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:23] dholbach: nice article. :) === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:26] hi sladen === jack_wyt__ [n=jack@221.221.163.248] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@221.221.163.248] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:33] seems NickServ ate my instructions to sivang for finding my house! [10:33] sladen: Hopefully, you can remember how to get to your house. === hunger_ [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Harti [n=Harti@unaffiliated/harti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:43] lo cbx33 === mbiebl [n=michael@dslb-084-056-219-235.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:47] hi popey [10:48] how are you? === apokryphos [n=apokryph@host-87-74-28-146.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:55] fabbione: pong [10:55] slomo: do I remember right that you were pinging me for mono on sparc? === mvo [n=egon@p54A66BA4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:56] mvo: hey dude [10:56] mvo: could you be so kind to fix bug 59403 ? [10:56] Malone bug 59403 in gnome-app-install "g-a-i postinst fails if X is not running" [Critical,Needs info] http://launchpad.net/bugs/59403 [10:57] fabbione: yes... but the build failure happened only the first time... the 3 uploads afterwards worked fine although nothing sparc specific was changed ;) [10:57] slomo: ok perfect. it was probably a kernel/toolchain issue that has been fixed [10:59] fabbione: maybe... but the second upload was only a few hours later :) well, let's hope it never shows up again [10:59] hmm ok [11:01] fabbione: having a look now [11:01] mvo: thanks [11:06] aah, mvo, good morning [11:06] hey pitti [11:07] heya mvo === quail [n=quail@unaffiliated/quaillinux/x-000001] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:15] mvo: AHA [11:15] mvo: finally! === jinty [n=jinty@195.Red-83-58-178.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:15] mvo: where doyou get the po files for the "Package Descriptions" product? [11:16] jordi: hello! [11:17] jordi: https://launchpad.net/products/ddtp-ubuntu/+translations === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tortoise_ [n=tortoise@194.164.140.64] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:22] mvo: okay [11:22] mvo: where did a "go.po" come from then? [11:22] jordi: probably from debian, I importet the current state of the debian translations [11:22] jordi: (from ddtp.debian.net) [11:22] what is "go"? There are several broken files in there: km_KH, pl_PL, go [11:22] mvo: oh I see. [11:23] I'll ping bubulle then === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:24] jordi: where is this go.po? I can't find it now [11:24] https://launchpad.net/rosetta/imports?target=products&status=NEEDS_REVIEW&type=all [11:25] heh [11:25] empty fil [11:25] +e [11:25] jordi: uh, I see. what will rosetta do with them? it looks like my script can produce them [11:26] jordi: if this is a problem, I can fix it [11:28] mvo: rosetta doesn't know what to do [11:28] so I can either delete them or block them [11:28] jordi: just delete them, I will add more logic to my script to make sure it does not produce empty files [11:29] ok === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:31] fabbione: in bug #59403, do you have DISPLAY set at all? [11:31] Malone bug 59403 in gnome-app-install "g-a-i postinst fails if X is not running" [Critical,Needs info] http://launchpad.net/bugs/59403 [11:31] mvo: no, it's not set.. [11:31] mvo: no more no less like when you login as root on console [11:31] DISPLAY="" [11:31] mvo: what about the dupes? pl_PL vs pl [11:32] oh, empty files as well [11:32] fabbione: at least the later version of gtk can deal with this and won't die === kagou [n=kagou@84.5.173.178] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:32] mvo: ok.. [11:32] jordi: I guess that comes from inconsitency between rosetta and ddtp.d.o. rosetta always uses the full name and ddtp almost always the short language code === Tonio__ [n=tonio@211.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:33] jordi: I have seen this for other translations as well (people translating pl and pl_PL independently) [11:33] jordi: (in the past) [11:33] iwj, i'v always bug in fontconfig-config [11:33] hi [11:33] mvo: it's bad [11:34] jordi: I totally agree. so what can we do :) ? [11:34] mvo: rosetta did, in the past. Not anymore [11:35] or it shouldn't. [11:35] that's why I'm nagging here :P [11:35] jordi: so what can I do? rename them all from pl -> pl_PL (etc) ? [11:36] if it's safe, yeah: ie, not both of them exist [11:37] if there's a conflict like sv vs sv_SE, I guess we need bubulle [11:37] iwj, i talk about Bug #56682 [11:37] Malone bug 56682 in fontconfig "Raster fonts appear in Edgy" [Medium,In progress] http://launchpad.net/bugs/56682 [11:38] jordi: some of the conflicts are probably due to the fact that I imported them as they where (e.g. sv) and that then some people started to translate them in rosetta and created sv_SE along the way). does that make sense? [11:39]