| LaserJock | eddyp: the most recent one is what's on revu.tauware.de | 12:13 |
|---|---|---|
| LaserJock | but make sure to refresh your browser | 12:14 |
| eddyp | LaserJock: which one? | 12:14 |
| LaserJock | which one what? | 12:14 |
| eddyp | the one at the top? | 12:14 |
| eddyp | LaserJock: I have given an example link | 12:15 |
| LaserJock | revu only shows you the latest one on the main page | 12:15 |
| eddyp | LaserJock: but how do you determine which is the "main page"? | 12:15 |
| siretart | eddyp: the details.py has links to all uploads regarding that particular sourcepackage | 12:16 |
| LaserJock | eddyp: the main page is revu.tauware.de | 12:17 |
| eddyp | siretart: hi | 12:17 |
| LaserJock | yeah, but make sure to refresh you browser | 12:17 |
| eddyp | siretart: is the page in question (glest-data) updated so that the top links are the most recent ones? | 12:18 |
| LaserJock | eddyp: look at the dates | 12:22 |
| siretart | eddyp: not quite, you need to select the most high upload id (upid). all uploads are linked from that page | 12:22 |
| siretart | eddyp: in this case, the most recent upload of glest-data was 2869 | 12:22 |
| siretart | read: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2869 | 12:22 |
| LaserJock | newest is last on the page | 12:23 |
| eddyp | this is really counter intuitive | 12:23 |
| siretart | yes, the main page shows only the most recent one. right | 12:23 |
| eddyp | please define "main page" | 12:23 |
| siretart | eddyp: yes, a bit. this was done this way so a reviewer can easily switch to every upload | 12:23 |
| siretart | mainpage is http://revu.tauware.de/index.py | 12:24 |
| siretart | aka 'upload index' | 12:24 |
| eddyp | ok, I see | 12:26 |
| eddyp | a search box wouldn't be bad | 12:26 |
| eddyp | siretart: BTW, I managed to make glest work | 12:27 |
| eddyp | the clean rule works now, the package compiles | 12:27 |
| eddyp | is a little nasty due to the retarded jam build system, but I managed to workaround it | 12:28 |
| eddyp | that's why I am looking for the data package | 12:28 |
| eddyp | :) | 12:28 |
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| hikenboot | i get the following error RuntimeError: Installed debootstrap is older than in the previous version! (0.3.3.0ubuntu3~dapper1 < 0.3.3.0ubuntu3) trying to run ./update inside ubuntu-meta-1.24 directory any ideas | 12:34 |
| hikenboot | join #/ | 12:36 |
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| LaserJock | hikenboot: do you have the backports repo enabled? | 12:41 |
| hikenboot | umm...no let me try that | 12:42 |
| LaserJock | well, you don't want it | 12:42 |
| LaserJock | but that ~dapper1 version is from -backports | 12:42 |
| LaserJock | so it's getting it from somewhere | 12:42 |
| hikenboot | removing my version of debootstrap and reinstalling without that repo enabled | 12:44 |
| === ajmitch gets hating on exim4 | ||
| hikenboot | LaserJock, now i am getting a new error ./update: line 2: exec: germinate-update-metapackage: not found | 12:55 |
| hikenboot | any ideaas | 12:55 |
| LaserJock | do you have germinate installed? | 12:55 |
| hikenboot | yes | 12:55 |
| hikenboot | maybe its looking for a source package? | 12:56 |
| ajmitch | you have /usr/bin/germinate-update-metapackage ? | 12:56 |
| hikenboot | no | 12:56 |
| hikenboot | says germinate is the newest version | 12:57 |
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| ajmitch | from dapper or edgy? | 12:58 |
| hikenboot | I assume its daper because thats whats enabled | 01:03 |
| hikenboot | in apt | 01:03 |
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| bddebian | Heya gang | 01:04 |
| LaserJock | hi | 01:05 |
| hikenboot | I just did apt-get remove germinate....apt-get install germinate...still no germinate-update-metapackage in /usr/bin | 01:08 |
| hikenboot | is /usr/bin/germinate-update-metapackage a link to /usr/bin/germinate? | 01:10 |
| LaserJock | I don't think so | 01:11 |
| bddebian | Heya LaserJock | 01:15 |
| LaserJock | btw, I just updated the MOTU Science lists | 01:19 |
| Adri2000 | LaserJock: you're in the science team ? | 01:19 |
| bddebian | Adri2000: He is the master of it :-) | 01:20 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: And what makes you think I care?? ;-P | 01:20 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: just leatting you know ;-) | 01:20 |
| bddebian | :0) | 01:20 |
| LaserJock | letting, rather | 01:20 |
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| Adri2000 | LaserJock: is there something planned for bug 35922 ? | 01:21 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 35922 in gnome-chemistry-utils "Package outdated, please update to 0.6.0/0.7.0" [Medium,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/35922 | 01:21 |
| ajmitch | hikenboot: germinate-update-metapackage was only added in edgy | 01:21 |
| Adri2000 | i wanted to package that needs a newer version of gcu | 01:21 |
| LaserJock | well, as soon as there is a 0.6 or 0.7 package then we can include it | 01:21 |
| Adri2000 | +a software | 01:21 |
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| Adri2000 | ok, just needing someone to make the package | 01:22 |
| LaserJock | pretty much | 01:22 |
| LaserJock | we have 0.4 something and it it isn't even in Debian | 01:23 |
| === bddebian started to do it but it needs some other packages | ||
| Adri2000 | erf :/ | 01:24 |
| bddebian | Something chem-data or something | 01:24 |
| hikenboot | ok so what does someone do thats building it on a system with 6.0.6LTS? | 01:25 |
| Adri2000 | bddebian: doesn't seem to be a chem data package in dapper, maybe in edgy ? or isn't it yet packaged ? | 01:26 |
| bddebian | Adri2000: Not yet packaged | 01:26 |
| Adri2000 | ok | 01:26 |
| LaserJock | oh wait | 01:27 |
| LaserJock | apparently it's going to be in Debian soon | 01:27 |
| LaserJock | sweet | 01:28 |
| LaserJock | check out the News on http://debian.wgdd.de/ | 01:28 |
| bddebian | Suuuure | 01:28 |
| bddebian | Someone said that about bkchem too ;-) | 01:28 |
| Adri2000 | eh cool | 01:29 |
| LaserJock | well, if it's in debichem | 01:29 |
| Adri2000 | and gchempaint was the soft i wanted to package :p | 01:29 |
| LaserJock | that's good news | 01:29 |
| LaserJock | ah | 01:29 |
| LaserJock | cool | 01:29 |
| LaserJock | are you a chemist? | 01:29 |
| Adri2000 | no ^^ | 01:30 |
| LaserJock | ok, just wondered | 01:31 |
| Adri2000 | at school i study chemistry/physics but it's not the main subject | 01:32 |
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| LaserJock | Adri2000: I'm doing mmy PhD in Physical Chemistry | 01:35 |
| bddebian | Adri2000: BTW, which list, the bug list or the packages list? | 01:37 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: was that to me? | 01:38 |
| Adri2000 | LaserJock: wow, that's not the same level as me :p | 01:38 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: Aye, sorry | 01:38 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: package list | 01:38 |
| bddebian | Please tell me maxima isn't on it ;-) | 01:39 |
| LaserJock | heh | 01:39 |
| LaserJock | no, it isn't | 01:39 |
| LaserJock | but I sort of wish it was | 01:40 |
| LaserJock | because maybe a fix would be in there | 01:40 |
| bddebian | Egads 117 freakin' packages :-( | 01:41 |
| LaserJock | well, don't worry too much about it | 01:42 |
| LaserJock | that's normal | 01:42 |
| LaserJock | we just need to look at high priority items | 01:42 |
| LaserJock | and merges/syncs | 01:42 |
| bddebian | What determines your priority? :-) | 01:43 |
| LaserJock | if I like the package or not | 01:43 |
| LaserJock | just kidding | 01:43 |
| bddebian | hehe | 01:43 |
| LaserJock | I try to look at the debian changelogs | 01:44 |
| LaserJock | to see if they are fixing bugs or just a minor version bump, etc/ | 01:44 |
| LaserJock | so I was working on a list | 01:45 |
| LaserJock | but I don't know that we'll get all that far | 01:45 |
| LaserJock | python-scipy and python-numpy should get done | 01:45 |
| bddebian | Yes maaster.. :-) | 01:45 |
| LaserJock | I also found quite a number of NEW and non-free->free packages that aren't in Ubuntu | 01:46 |
| LaserJock | hehe | 01:46 |
| jrib | ok so I've been trying to package gaim-latex. However, I came across a debian mailing list that discussed some security vulnerabilities. Is anyone familiar enough with this to discuss it with me? | 01:47 |
| LaserJock | heh, that kinda sounds like a "no" | 01:48 |
| === bddebian is clueless about everything :'-( | ||
| LaserJock | jrib: you are looking for people familiar with gaim-latex or security in general? | 01:49 |
| jrib | yeah, well basically the plugin lets you send text of the form $$ fancy latex in here $$, and if the recipient has the plugin, the recipient's computer will execute the latex stuff | 01:49 |
| LaserJock | ah, so the problem being that somebody could put in malicious latex | 01:50 |
| === LaserJock considers LaTeX in general to be a little malicious ;-) | ||
| jrib | yeah, exactly. That is the reason the debian maintainer decided not to package it | 01:51 |
| LaserJock | is there a way to have it just pop up something so it isn't just automatic | 01:51 |
| LaserJock | like sending a file over IM/IRC | 01:52 |
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| jrib | That is one option, or you could do the transformation before you send it and just have gaim send an image instead. | 01:53 |
| jrib | But as it stands, despite the fact the plugin does blacklist some commands, should I not package it in its current state? | 01:54 |
| LaserJock | hmm, I'm not really sure what to say | 01:55 |
| LaserJock | but pitti is Ubuntu's security guy so you might ask him | 01:56 |
| jrib | LaserJock: ok, thanks | 01:57 |
| LaserJock | jrib: I mean, latex seems fairly harmless by itself | 01:57 |
| bddebian | I think Yagisan and ajmitch have decent security backgrounds as well? | 01:57 |
| LaserJock | but I know you can have embedded code and stuff in latex | 01:58 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 01:58 |
| bddebian | Damn I can never figure out what to work/concentrate on.. There is soo freakin' much to do :-( | 01:59 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: I had someone contact me about MOTU mentoring. How scary is that? :-) | 02:02 |
| LaserJock | cool | 02:02 |
| LaserJock | I think you make a great motu mentor | 02:03 |
| bddebian | Hah, but thanks | 02:03 |
| === welshbyte seconds that ;) | ||
| bddebian | Heya welshbyte, what's been happening? Need some work? ;-P | 02:07 |
| bddebian | Gah, gotta get the kids in the bath, bbiab | 02:07 |
| welshbyte | bddebian: ello... too much has been happening, haven't had any time to do ubuntu-y stuff lately... i almost forgot how much happens in septembers :/ what needs doing? | 02:09 |
| === LaserJock resists the urge to yell out "Maxima" :-) | ||
| welshbyte | LaserJock: don't you dare :) that package is just a time sink for me | 02:13 |
| Fujitsu | Hahaha. | 02:14 |
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| welshbyte | anyway I'm just a newbie and the maxima problem needs the wisdom of an elite MOTU guru, like bddebian :) | 02:16 |
| LaserJock | amen | 02:17 |
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| zul | evening | 02:22 |
| LaserJock | hi zul | 02:24 |
| zul | how is it going LaserJock | 02:24 |
| LaserJock | oh, it's going | 02:27 |
| zul | das is good | 02:27 |
| LaserJock | I'm trying to figure out where I've spread out all my files over 5 different computers | 02:27 |
| TheMuso | crimsun: Thanks. Was the changelog text the only thing you changed? :) | 02:27 |
| LaserJock | and trying to get them all in one | 02:27 |
| zul | dont you use something like nfs? | 02:29 |
| tseng | nfs sucks with laptops | 02:30 |
| tseng | and travel | 02:30 |
| zul | something like nfs not actualy nfs | 02:30 |
| tseng | webdav with zeroconf is rad | 02:30 |
| LaserJock | actually I just have files spread all over the place :-) | 02:30 |
| tseng | for quick file drag and drop in nautilus | 02:30 |
| LaserJock | I'm working on trying to figure out something smart to do | 02:31 |
| LaserJock | at one point I was thinking of using rsync | 02:32 |
| zul | there is a howto of putting your home directory in rcs | 02:32 |
| LaserJock | well, I don't really need maybe that much | 02:33 |
| LaserJock | I've got a lot of data | 02:33 |
| LaserJock | but I work from a lot of different computers | 02:33 |
| zul | if you want something easy i would go with rsync | 02:36 |
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| LaserJock | something like nfs wouldn't be bad | 02:39 |
| LaserJock | I've read a very little bit about unison | 02:42 |
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| LaserJock | which seems kinda cool | 02:42 |
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| LaserJock | ok, this might be a really dumb question | 02:47 |
| LaserJock | but is lenovo a company or a product line? | 02:47 |
| lifeless | company | 02:47 |
| LaserJock | ok | 02:48 |
| LaserJock | cause I was looking for thinkpads | 02:48 |
| lifeless | IBM sold thinkpad to lenovo | 02:49 |
| LaserJock | oh | 02:49 |
| LaserJock | how interesting | 02:49 |
| LaserJock | ah, now I think I remember something about that in the news | 02:49 |
| zul | yeah they did that a while back | 02:50 |
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| Kamping_Kaiser | imb will be dropped from all product names soon iirc, its just goign to be lenovo | 02:50 |
| ajmitch | hi zul | 02:50 |
| zul | hey ajmitch how goes it | 02:50 |
| ajmitch | good :) | 02:50 |
| zul | goodie gum drops | 02:50 |
| LaserJock | bah, it's not like I'm going to be able to buy a new laptop for some time | 02:58 |
| === LaserJock is drooling over sabdfl's laptop | ||
| zul | LaserJock: ditto with kid on the way | 02:59 |
| bddebian | Anyone know if we are supposed to be including .la files still or not? I thought I had heard that we are not any longer | 02:59 |
| LaserJock | I really don't know bddebian | 02:59 |
| LaserJock | well, I've already got a laptop (Toshiba) but it is *supposed* to be the wife's | 03:00 |
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| bddebian | Heya slomo | 03:01 |
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| ajmitch | hi Hobbsee | 03:41 |
| Hobbsee | hey ajmitch | 03:42 |
| bddebian | Heya Hobbsee | 03:43 |
| bddebian | Hi ajmitch | 03:43 |
| ajmitch | hi | 03:43 |
| Hobbsee | hey bddebian | 03:43 |
| welshbyte | hey ajmitch, Hobbsee | 03:44 |
| Hobbsee | hey welshbyte | 03:44 |
| === welshbyte pokes bddebian | ||
| bddebian | welshbyte: Yo | 03:49 |
| welshbyte | bddebian: weren't you asking if i needed work to do earlier? :) | 03:50 |
| bddebian | welshbyte: Yea, fixed maxima yet? ;-P | 03:50 |
| === welshbyte cries | ||
| bddebian | :-) | 03:51 |
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| welshbyte | there's nothing wrong with maxima, it's all GCL's fault ;) | 03:51 |
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| bddebian | welshbyte: Oh, did you ever get anywhere with azureus? | 03:51 |
| welshbyte | that's another humungous job that's over my head | 03:52 |
| welshbyte | i think | 03:52 |
| bddebian | Oh, hmm | 03:54 |
| welshbyte | there's another angle i want to come at that problem from (building it with the older libraries provided by the current edgy version of eclipse), but it'll have to wait til i have more time | 03:54 |
| welshbyte | unless someone else wants to try ;) | 03:55 |
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| bddebian | welshbyte: Nah, I'm too stupid :-) | 04:05 |
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| welshbyte | hm way past bedtime, g'night guys | 04:31 |
| crimsun | TheMuso: yes, but keep an eye out for the remaining .so in the lib | 04:31 |
| TheMuso | crimsun: ? | 04:34 |
| bddebian | crimsun: BTW, I don't even hold a freakin' candle to you | 04:35 |
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| glick | hello | 04:38 |
| glick | how can i request a package? | 04:39 |
| glick | by that i mean a package that im responsible for? | 04:39 |
| Hobbsee | glick: package it, stick it on REVU, and ask people to review it? | 04:41 |
| glick | oh | 04:42 |
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| bddebian | Hello yusufm | 05:08 |
| yusufm | Hi | 05:13 |
| yusufm | bddebian: I was just replying to your email | 05:13 |
| LaserJock | well that royally sucked | 05:15 |
| LaserJock | I tried to run ghemical and the display was all weirded out | 05:16 |
| LaserJock | and then it totally froze my machine with a black screen | 05:16 |
| Toadstool | re | 05:16 |
| bddebian | yusufm: Great :-) | 05:17 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: The latest one? | 05:17 |
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| bddebian | Heya Toadstool | 05:17 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: latest what? | 05:17 |
| LaserJock | this is on dapper | 05:17 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: Oh | 05:18 |
| Toadstool | hey bddebian | 05:18 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: you obviously need to upgrade to the latest & best edgy | 05:18 |
| bddebian | Heh | 05:19 |
| bddebian | yusufm: Are you reading the Debian New Maintainers Guide or the Ubuntu packaging guide? | 05:21 |
| yusufm | Yes, they alistre on my | 05:24 |
| yusufm | bddebian: Sorry, synaptics bug :) They are on my list | 05:24 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: well, yeah, I have 1 machine running edgy | 05:25 |
| LaserJock | but you'd think stuff would sorta work on dapper once in a while ;-) | 05:25 |
| bddebian | heh | 05:25 |
| ajmitch | hah | 05:25 |
| ajmitch | haha | 05:25 |
| Toadstool | :) | 05:26 |
| Toadstool | uhuh, my renter needs his computer :( | 05:27 |
| Toadstool | cya | 05:27 |
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| bddebian | yusufm: Great | 05:28 |
| LaserJock | hmm, I wonder if it's because I have an ATI card | 05:50 |
| LaserJock | when in doubt, blame it on ATI ;-) | 05:50 |
| lotusleaf | LaserJock: ATI cards make great wish bones | 05:52 |
| bddebian | heh | 05:52 |
| lotusleaf | just find a friend, grab an end, and the one holding the largest piece of the ATI card wins | 05:52 |
| LaserJock | well, this is an integrated thingy on my laptop | 05:53 |
| lotusleaf | the loser gets to buy the new nvidia card | 05:53 |
| LaserJock | I kinda need to keep it I think | 05:53 |
| LaserJock | I've got another computer with an nvidia card so perhaps I'll try on that | 05:56 |
| chillywilly | yo | 06:03 |
| LaserJock | hiya chillywilly | 06:05 |
| bddebian | Heya chillywilly | 06:06 |
| chillywilly | Packers got spanked and it wasn't nice because my mom had taken scotty to the game...they suck this year | 06:07 |
| === bddebian gives up on the Eagles | ||
| LaserJock | hmm, did the Mannings go at it yet? | 06:16 |
| === LaserJock is too busy to watch football anymore :/ | ||
| bddebian | LaserJock: Last week I think | 06:17 |
| LaserJock | who won? | 06:19 |
| bddebian | Dunno :-) | 06:21 |
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| LaserJock | bddebian: lotta help you are :p | 06:24 |
| bddebian | I keep telling you people that I'm useless :-) | 06:24 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: Colts beat the Giants | 06:28 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: ah, not so useless after all :-) | 06:32 |
| Burgundavia | who is William Grant? | 06:37 |
| Hobbsee | Burgundavia: Fujitsu | 06:38 |
| Burgundavia | Fujitsu: ping | 06:38 |
| Fujitsu | Pong. | 06:38 |
| Burgundavia | damn, that was fast | 06:39 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 06:39 |
| Fujitsu | Am I guilty of something? | 06:39 |
| Burgundavia | geda, did you do all of it? | 06:39 |
| Hobbsee | it's a nice AU timezone | 06:39 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: probably. | 06:39 |
| Fujitsu | Burgundavia, yes. | 06:39 |
| Burgundavia | should I blame/credit you for it in the UWN? | 06:39 |
| ajmitch | Fujitsu: yes | 06:39 |
| Fujitsu | Burgundavia, if you want to. | 06:39 |
| Burgundavia | I would love to | 06:39 |
| Fujitsu | Ooh :) | 06:39 |
| Burgundavia | in case any of you slackers miss the UWN, I always credit the people who did the work | 06:39 |
| === Hobbsee is a slacker | ||
| Burgundavia | gets away from the whole "code is impersonal stuff" | 06:40 |
| === Hobbsee does nothing :P | ||
| ajmitch | Hobbsee: hahaha | 06:40 |
| ajmitch | Hobbsee: you sound like someone we know.. | 06:40 |
| Burgundavia | Hobbsee: I command thee to sign up, right smart | 06:40 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: what, bddebian? true that | 06:40 |
| Hobbsee | perhaps i'll swap roles with bddebian | 06:40 |
| Hobbsee | Burgundavia: hehe | 06:40 |
| ajmitch | please no | 06:40 |
| === ajmitch should probably do some work on ubuntu tonight | ||
| Burgundavia | and as I see all subscribes and unsubs, I will know if any of you slackers haven't signed up | 06:41 |
| Fujitsu | Burgundavia, last time somebody asked who `William Grant' was, it was Mithrandir accusing me of something bad... That was scary >_< | 06:41 |
| Burgundavia | and I *will* chase you down | 06:41 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: Mithrandir doing that is better than keybuk doing the same :P | 06:41 |
| Burgundavia | ;) | 06:41 |
| === Hobbsee hides from Burgundavia | ||
| Fujitsu | Hobbsee, probably... But that was SCARY! | 06:42 |
| LaserJock | Burgundavia: subscribe to what? | 06:42 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 06:42 |
| ajmitch | Fujitsu: don't worry, I'm still waiting for people to report massive libgphoto2 breakage to me with pitchforks & torches | 06:42 |
| Burgundavia | Hobbsee: there isn't place within Ubuntu I can't find you | 06:42 |
| Burgundavia | the ubuntu-news mailing list | 06:42 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: Mithrandir doesnt seem that scary | 06:42 |
| Hobbsee | Burgundavia: i think you'd be fairly safe while looking at all the xfce stuff. | 06:42 |
| Fujitsu | Hobbsee, he is! | 06:43 |
| Burgundavia | Fujitsu: you have never met the man | 06:43 |
| Hobbsee | Burgundavia: neither have i | 06:43 |
| Fujitsu | Of course not. | 06:43 |
| LaserJock | Tollef? | 06:44 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: yes.. | 06:44 |
| Burgundavia | Fujitsu: is there a reason why geda has 9 different source packages? | 06:44 |
| Fujitsu | Burgundavia, who knows... Probably not. | 06:45 |
| LaserJock | he seems pretty low key, kinda like mdz | 06:45 |
| Burgundavia | keybuk is the only truly excitable one | 06:46 |
| Fujitsu | But he accused me of making a nasty mistake. Being accused by Hobbsee is one thing, but by an ultimate-person like Mithrandir is another entirely. | 06:46 |
| Fujitsu | Burgundavia, ? | 06:46 |
| Burgundavia | but that is mostly bouncy energy | 06:46 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: heh. i thought i was big and scary too! | 06:47 |
| === Hobbsee makes a note to become more big and scary than Mithrandir | ||
| === Fujitsu runs. | ||
| === BigScaryHobbsee attacks Fujitsu with her long and pointy stick! | ||
| Fujitsu | But it's not release-manager Hobbsee, so not too scary. | 06:48 |
| BigScaryHobbsee | Fujitsu: yeah well.... | 06:48 |
| LaserJock | Burgundavia: yeah, iwj is a little frightening to me, but he's cool too | 06:48 |
| Burgundavia | Fujitsu: I see that upstream uses different tarballs and release dates | 06:48 |
| Burgundavia | LaserJock: iwj is just odd | 06:48 |
| BigScaryHobbsee | iwj has to be crazy, to deal with firefox, etc | 06:48 |
| Burgundavia | no, he is paid to do that | 06:49 |
| LaserJock | and write dpkg ;-) | 06:49 |
| BigScaryHobbsee | Burgundavia: that doesnt change it. | 06:49 |
| bddebian | OK I haven't been paying attention. Am I getting dissed? | 06:49 |
| LaserJock | no | 06:49 |
| crimsun | you don't diss deities. | 06:49 |
| Burgundavia | you know, canonical now has 3 dpkg and 1 smart developer on staff | 06:49 |
| Fujitsu | crimsun, certainly. | 06:49 |
| Burgundavia | and 2 former dpls | 06:49 |
| Fujitsu | DPLs? | 06:50 |
| ajmitch | debian project leaders | 06:50 |
| Burgundavia | debian project leader. Both benc and iwj used to lead debian | 06:50 |
| Fujitsu | Ah. | 06:50 |
| Fujitsu | Nice. | 06:50 |
| ajmitch | Burgundavia: don't forget apt | 06:50 |
| LaserJock | I think that's once of Mark's major successes | 06:50 |
| LaserJock | s/once/one/ | 06:50 |
| Burgundavia | part of the reason why some debian people have issues with Ubuntu is how completely Mark cherrypicked the best and the brightest | 06:50 |
| BigScaryHobbsee | which was their choice, of course | 06:51 |
| Burgundavia | yes, but still | 06:51 |
| lotusleaf | Mark > Jesus | 06:52 |
| Burgundavia | if you look on their mailing lists, mdz, keybuk, mjg59 (who doesn't yet work for them), etc. | 06:52 |
| Burgundavia | they were all extremely active and are not now | 06:52 |
| === Fujitsu runs quickly from the debate which will now ensue. | ||
| bddebian | OK, I am taking my old useless ass to bed. Gnight folks | 06:52 |
| LaserJock | cya bddebian | 06:53 |
| Fujitsu | Bye, bddebian :) | 06:53 |
| BigScaryHobbsee | bddebian: bye! | 06:53 |
| lotusleaf | the way I see it, no one really has issues with Ubuntu, they only have issues with their perception of Ubuntu | 06:53 |
| LaserJock | well.. | 06:54 |
| LaserJock | if I had spent years working on a few specific packages in Debian | 06:55 |
| LaserJock | and then had a bunch of crazy MOTUs running around doing who know's what to them | 06:55 |
| LaserJock | I'd get a little nervous ;-) | 06:55 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: and they'd still carry your name, of course | 06:55 |
| LaserJock | yes :/ | 06:56 |
| ajmitch | and you'd be getting bugreports/flames for stuff that you didn't do | 06:56 |
| Fujitsu | Hm. | 06:56 |
| LaserJock | and wondering why only hear from them when they've broken something | 06:56 |
| LaserJock | s/why/why I/ | 06:56 |
| crimsun | no prob, upstream devs get that, too. | 06:56 |
| LaserJock | of course | 06:56 |
| crimsun | "why does this debian package not work?!" | 06:57 |
| ajmitch | crimsun: which is why debian developers are encouraged to have some contact with upstream | 06:57 |
| LaserJock | but I can understand where they are coming from, that's what I'm saying | 06:57 |
| ajmitch | for good reason | 06:57 |
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| ajmitch | eg for some of the packages I maintain in debian, I've known upstream for awhile | 06:57 |
| ajmitch | including staying at their place, etc :) | 06:57 |
| LaserJock | and I can see that if I'd been working on Debian for some time and this derivative takes of like wild fire | 06:58 |
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| LaserJock | I'd tend to want to think a little "yeah, but it's really just Debian" | 06:58 |
| ajmitch | especially when some of those motus are pretty slack at getting those fixes back to debian | 06:59 |
| ajmitch | and the DD only finds out a few months later | 06:59 |
| Fujitsu | Hence the DCT. | 06:59 |
| ajmitch | which for all the nice things I hear about it, still needs people to do the work | 06:59 |
| LaserJock | hence teaching MOTUs how to play nice :-) | 06:59 |
| ajmitch | like anything | 06:59 |
| LaserJock | I honestly don't see how DCT is going to work | 07:00 |
| ajmitch | it'll only work if people can put in effort for a thankless task again | 07:01 |
| Burgundavia | yep | 07:01 |
| LaserJock | on top of their normal MOTU load | 07:01 |
| ajmitch | currently I'm mainly doing ubuntu stuff on things I maintain in debian anyway | 07:02 |
| ajmitch | so it's not so much of a hassle with me | 07:02 |
| ajmitch | except that I get to deal with upstream devs more :) | 07:02 |
| LaserJock | I try to at least somewhat keep track of 400+ packages | 07:03 |
| ajmitch | you're brave | 07:03 |
| LaserJock | there's really no way I can know each of the corresponding Debian maintainers well | 07:03 |
| BigScaryHobbsee | true | 07:04 |
| LaserJock | or they packages | 07:04 |
| Fujitsu | How many are there with Ubuntu changes at the moment? | 07:04 |
| BigScaryHobbsee | lots :P | 07:04 |
| LaserJock | something like 150 | 07:04 |
| Fujitsu | ..... | 07:04 |
| Fujitsu | A lot more than that. | 07:04 |
| LaserJock | out of my 400 | 07:04 |
| Fujitsu | Ah. | 07:04 |
| LaserJock | there are over 1000 total for universe I think | 07:05 |
| Fujitsu | Yeah, something like that.. | 07:05 |
| LaserJock | http://tiber.tauware.de/~lucas/versions/unimultiverse-all.html | 07:06 |
| LaserJock | gives an idea | 07:06 |
| === ajmitch needs to file a sync asap | ||
| Fujitsu | ajmitch, why? | 07:07 |
| ajmitch | Fujitsu: security vulnerability in one of my debian packages | 07:08 |
| Fujitsu | So almost exactly 1000 with Ubuntu changes... | 07:08 |
| BigScaryHobbsee | ajmitch: meet the requestsync script :P | 07:08 |
| ajmitch | which I've updated in sid | 07:08 |
| Fujitsu | ajmitch, ah. | 07:08 |
| ajmitch | BigScaryHobbsee: I was just fetching the latest version of that | 07:08 |
| BigScaryHobbsee | ajmitch: TheMuso, pitti, and myself fixed that :) | 07:08 |
| BigScaryHobbsee | it now works when you dotn have a MTA installe | 07:08 |
| BigScaryHobbsee | d | 07:08 |
| LaserJock | phew | 07:09 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 07:09 |
| Hobbsee | LaserJock: what? | 07:09 |
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| LaserJock | I feel better now that you're regular Hobbsee | 07:10 |
| === Hobbsee waves her long pointy stick at LaserJock | ||
| Hobbsee | LaserJock: i'm still big and scary, dont worry about that | 07:11 |
| ajmitch | haha | 07:12 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: can testify | 07:12 |
| ajmitch | sure, real big ;) | 07:12 |
| Hobbsee | well. scary | 07:12 |
| LaserJock | heh | 07:13 |
| LaserJock | all I fear are Hobbsee's IRC abilities ;-) | 07:13 |
| ajmitch | she's really quite a sweet & charming young lady ;) | 07:13 |
| Hobbsee | * LaserJock has been removed from #ubuntu-motu. Requested by Hobbsee: ( What, these ones?) | 07:13 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 07:14 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: really now? | 07:14 |
| ajmitch | of course | 07:14 |
| Hobbsee | right | 07:14 |
| === Hobbsee suspects that if she ever made it to a conference, everyone would think she was crazy, and chuck her out | ||
| ajmitch | you'd fit right in | 07:15 |
| Hobbsee | hmmm... | 07:15 |
| chillywilly | lalala | 07:15 |
| === chillywilly hugs ajmitch | ||
| ajmitch | uh oh | 07:16 |
| chillywilly | :) | 07:16 |
| chillywilly | some day I'll make it to that island.... | 07:16 |
| lotusleaf | Hobbsee: especially if the m$n butterfly costume is worn | 07:16 |
| chillywilly | and then you'll be sorry ;) | 07:16 |
| Hobbsee | lotusleaf: um? okay then :P | 07:17 |
| LaserJock | Hobbsee: trust me, you'd do fine? | 07:17 |
| LaserJock | argg -? | 07:17 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 07:17 |
| LaserJock | there were also a more women than I would have expected at the 2 conferences I've been to, Paris and Ubucon | 07:19 |
| Burgundavia | still absymally low numbers, however | 07:19 |
| Hobbsee | hadnt really thought of that. | 07:19 |
| LaserJock | Burgundavia: yeah | 07:19 |
| Burgundavia | there were lots of women at the mall helping man the booth, but they were from the more general computer club | 07:19 |
| Hobbsee | ah | 07:20 |
| chillywilly | tired... | 07:20 |
| chillywilly | night all | 07:20 |
| Burgundavia | ok, well, maybe there were not "manning" the booth ;) | 07:21 |
| LaserJock | haha | 07:21 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 07:21 |
| Hobbsee | now i wasnt goign to point that out :P | 07:21 |
| ajmitch | Hobbsee: you'd better be at mountain view.. | 07:21 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: why so? | 07:21 |
| ajmitch | because | 07:22 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: it's very close to exams | 07:22 |
| ajmitch | that's what I feared | 07:22 |
| LaserJock | oh darn | 07:23 |
| Hobbsee | i think it's about...5 days | 07:23 |
| LaserJock | I'm scheduled to give a presentation on the 7th | 07:23 |
| Hobbsee | and i still dont have a passport, as i've been lazy. | 07:23 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: that'll cost you | 07:23 |
| ajmitch | Hobbsee: you can get a passport in a week or two | 07:23 |
| LaserJock | let's see, that should be tuesday | 07:23 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: is that all it takes? nice! | 07:24 |
| LaserJock | so I can drive over Tuesday night | 07:24 |
| ajmitch | Hobbsee: standard here is within 10 working days | 07:24 |
| LaserJock | wow | 07:25 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: right. i thought it took months | 07:25 |
| ajmitch | I doubt it'll take that long in .au | 07:25 |
| LaserJock | I had to pay extra to get mine in 2 weeks | 07:25 |
| LaserJock | normally 1 month here I think | 07:25 |
| Fujitsu | ajmitch, 10 working days here if you pay extra. Generally 2-4 weeks. | 07:25 |
| LaserJock | how much does it cost there? | 07:26 |
| ajmitch | Hobbsee: https://www.passports.gov.au/Web/queries/officeturnaround.aspx | 07:26 |
| Fujitsu | OK. | 07:26 |
| Fujitsu | So I had it wrong. 10 working days, or 2 or so days if you pay extra.... >_> | 07:26 |
| Fujitsu | I last got one 3 years ago, though. | 07:27 |
| === ajmitch last got one last year | ||
| ajmitch | I haven't used it for awhile, not since july :) | 07:27 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 07:28 |
| ajmitch | ok, I'm heading out, I'll be back later to do some reviewing & fixes :) | 07:29 |
| LaserJock | I used mine to get a new driver's license when I got back from Paris :/ | 07:29 |
| Hobbsee | bye ajmitch! | 07:29 |
| Fujitsu | Bye, ajmitch. | 07:30 |
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| LaserJock | hmm, I wonder what tritium has been up too | 07:31 |
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| dholbach | good morning | 07:47 |
| Fujitsu | Afternoon. | 07:47 |
| lotusleaf | what if day and night overlapped and curled up in a laughing god's lap of luxury? | 07:48 |
| LaserJock | hi dholbach | 07:48 |
| dholbach | hey Fujitsu, lotusleaf, LaserJock | 07:48 |
| lotusleaf | hi dholbach | 07:48 |
| lotusleaf | every day with ubuntu is a good day ;) | 07:49 |
| dholbach | how's it going? | 07:49 |
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| imbrandon | Burgundavia: pong ( very late ) | 07:54 |
| dholbach | It's the REVU day, right? :) | 07:55 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-motu:dholbach] : Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Universe Repository Maintainers | Have you Reviewed a package on REVU yet today? | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Documentation | [Edgy MoM] https://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html | Add yourself to http://tinyurl.com/fgpgy to upload to REVU | Happy REVU day! | ||
| dholbach | woohoo | 07:55 |
| ajmitch | hey dholbach | 07:56 |
| ajmitch | yes, REVU day has come about | 07:56 |
| === ajmitch is finally in front of a real live ubuntu box again to do some work | ||
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| ajmitch | hey elkbuntu | 07:58 |
| === LaserJock gasps | ||
| ajmitch | LaserJock: yeah, I have to use win xp at work :) | 07:58 |
| elkbuntu | heh, i have to use winxp to scan something in more than black & green or pink & white... stupid epson :( | 07:59 |
| imbrandon | heya dholbach elkbuntu | 08:00 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch: finly get an edgy box ? | 08:00 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: no, I walked home :P | 08:01 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: well at least I have to use OS X | 08:01 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch: ahah hehe | 08:01 |
| ajmitch | where I've had edgy all along | 08:01 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock: heh i've been trying to get debootstrap working in fink so i can make a ubuntu chroot on osx | 08:01 |
| Burgundavia | imbrandon: never mind, got it | 08:02 |
| imbrandon | on an off | 08:02 |
| imbrandon | Burgundavia: okie | 08:02 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: oh, that would sooo totally rock | 08:02 |
| imbrandon | i had to do a fresh install ( or better wording choose to ) of knot 3 last night on what was voyager ( now horatio ) becouse i decided to corrupt the fs | 08:03 |
| imbrandon | heh | 08:03 |
| imbrandon | probably could have saved it but i had everything backed up so it was no biggie | 08:04 |
| LaserJock | I'm still waiting to get MS Office on my mac a work after my reinstall :/ | 08:04 |
| LaserJock | yuck, I hate having to rely on that stupid stuff | 08:05 |
| imbrandon | noeoffice ? | 08:05 |
| imbrandon | neooffice* | 08:05 |
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| imbrandon | and on my blog i have a link to mac native ( no X required ) koffice binarys ;) | 08:06 |
| imbrandon | although i wouldent use the koffice ones there is still a few issues ( not in production any ways ) | 08:07 |
| LaserJock | well, I really *have* to have MS Office | 08:07 |
| LaserJock | wonderful docs people make that only work in Office and Acrobat ;-) | 08:08 |
| LaserJock | dholbach: btw, I had MOTU Science added as the initial bug contact for science apps (400+ source packages) | 08:08 |
| imbrandon | heh i barely use an office suite so neooffice ( oo.o for mac ) works fine for me, the most i do with it is a resume' update or such | 08:08 |
| dholbach | LaserJock: manually? | 08:09 |
| LaserJock | dholbach: I just gave the list to kiko and he did it for me | 08:09 |
| ajmitch | dholbach: all psyched up for reviewing today? | 08:09 |
| dholbach | ajmitch: abso-lutely :) | 08:09 |
| LaserJock | ok, time to go guys | 08:09 |
| ajmitch | 23359 ajmitch 16 0 1259m 907m 19m R 31 23.0 224:07.41 /usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin | 08:09 |
| LaserJock | cya in the morning | 08:09 |
| ajmitch | woohoo | 08:10 |
| ajmitch | go firefox! | 08:10 |
| ajmitch | bye LaserJock :) | 08:10 |
| dholbach | LaserJock: sleep tight! | 08:10 |
| imbrandon | later Laser_away | 08:10 |
| ajmitch | ok, who wants to review my package? ;) | 08:11 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch: btw i tried digicam after the updates , everything seemd to work ok, i dident do anything exaustive | 08:12 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: excellent, thanks for testing | 08:12 |
| imbrandon | after i finish rebuilding my pbuilders i'll do some revuing | 08:13 |
| imbrandon | heh | 08:13 |
| imbrandon | doing that now in the background | 08:13 |
| imbrandon | i had to search for an hour to find the cdrom with my gpg key on it , lol | 08:14 |
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| === ajmitch submits a comment on revu! | ||
| ajmitch | hm | 08:15 |
| ajmitch | I don't think we need olive on REVU - it's in the archive now | 08:15 |
| dholbach | yeah, that's what I'll do latet too | 08:16 |
| === ajmitch archives | ||
| dholbach | weed out all the old package on revu which didn't change for 4 months, but got a response already | 08:16 |
| ajmitch | that would be awesome | 08:16 |
| ajmitch | I wonder if I can throw together a quick script on tiber to get the list | 08:17 |
| imbrandon | that would rock | 08:17 |
| imbrandon | make going through them alot easier | 08:17 |
| dholbach | it'd be nice if we had revu on launchpad with bzr integration and all | 08:17 |
| dholbach | so if it's just a quick fix for something, you could make the change in bzr, etc | 08:18 |
| dholbach | mucho faster :) | 08:18 |
| ajmitch | dholbach: it is | 08:18 |
| ajmitch | https://launchpad.net/products/revu/+branches | 08:18 |
| ajmitch | but I presume you mean a bit more than that ;) | 08:18 |
| dholbach | no, I mean the packages on revu | 08:19 |
| ajmitch | that would be a little harder | 08:19 |
| dholbach | yeah | 08:19 |
| ajmitch | but will come with personal package archives | 08:19 |
| Laser_away | maybe we need a REVU-Hacking Day before Edgy+1 gets far | 08:19 |
| ajmitch | and I know that they plan to fold revu-like functionality into LP | 08:19 |
| ajmitch | yeah, last comment on http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2183 was in march - no further uploads or changes | 08:20 |
| === ajmitch will archive that now | ||
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| imbrandon | ryanakca: ping | 08:22 |
| imbrandon | ryanakca: unping , nvm sorry | 08:22 |
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| Fujitsu | Has somebody considered changing REVU to use a sane timezone? | 08:26 |
| dholbach | what timezone would that be? | 08:26 |
| Fujitsu | UTC? | 08:26 |
| ajmitch | why do you find the timezone to be a problem? | 08:27 |
| dholbach | there's always "data center time" which is in most cases not your time, or UTC, or something else :) | 08:27 |
| Fujitsu | UTC is more useful than UTC-4, I'd say. | 08:27 |
| dholbach | I think it doesn't matter much-ly | 08:28 |
| === ajmitch wonders whether to archive http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2064 | ||
| ajmitch | iirc there were some disagreements with that package | 08:28 |
| dholbach | it'd be nice to get glest in | 08:28 |
| dholbach | looks like valid to archive | 08:28 |
| === ajmitch wonders if we can get krb5-auth-dialog in :) | ||
| ajmitch | since it's probably full of mistakes | 08:29 |
| dholbach | is that your package? | 08:29 |
| ajmitch | yep | 08:29 |
| dholbach | :-) | 08:29 |
| dholbach | i'll make a note to look at it | 08:29 |
| === ajmitch uploaded it partly to test REVU at the time | ||
| dholbach | oh? | 08:30 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch: if you get time can you test build libmtp, i got it all fixed up but i get a stange warning in debuild | 08:30 |
| ajmitch | yeah, we were having some fun with uploads about that time.. | 08:30 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: revu-report? | 08:30 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch: sure | 08:30 |
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| ajmitch | building now | 08:31 |
| imbrandon | k | 08:31 |
| imbrandon | me and Riddell looked at it for a few hours and couldent figure it out | 08:31 |
| ajmitch | what was the strange error? | 08:31 |
| imbrandon | something aobut the so not being installed but it is | 08:31 |
| ajmitch | I'll check it out locally then | 08:31 |
| imbrandon | its build in the same way libnjb ( same upstream authors and same code base ) so i riped their build system | 08:32 |
| ajmitch | might build a little faster on my box :) | 08:32 |
| imbrandon | you might peek at that ( its in main ) | 08:32 |
| ajmitch | aha | 08:32 |
| ajmitch | dangerous | 08:32 |
| imbrandon | i'm still re-creating my pbuilder or i would give you the exact error | 08:34 |
| ajmitch | I'm running it in mine | 08:34 |
| ajmitch | ok, it built on tiber | 08:34 |
| ajmitch | so... what's the issue? :) | 08:35 |
| imbrandon | just a sec lemme look at the log | 08:35 |
| ajmitch | whiprush: you listened to that novell open audio interview? | 08:37 |
| imbrandon | wow ok its not showing the warning i was getting in the revu-report or build logs maybe it was localized to me | 08:37 |
| ajmitch | yeah it built fine for me locally | 08:37 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch: in that case can you revu it as normal then ;) | 08:38 |
| ajmitch | hehe | 08:38 |
| imbrandon | heh | 08:38 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: so tell me, has the ABI stayed backwards & forwards compatible? | 08:40 |
| imbrandon | yea it hasent change much over the last year at all | 08:41 |
| ajmitch | or should you use -V with dh_makeshlibs? :) | 08:41 |
| ajmitch | 'much' != 'at all' | 08:41 |
| imbrandon | true | 08:42 |
| ajmitch | eg a program whether a program compiled against this version will work with libmtp.so.2.0.0 | 08:43 |
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| imbrandon | yes it will | 08:44 |
| ajmitch | you sure? | 08:44 |
| imbrandon | the API dosent change ( but its not in stone as with any api ) | 08:44 |
| ajmitch | there were no symbols added in 2.1? | 08:44 |
| imbrandon | so -V might be betetr | 08:44 |
| Gloubiboulga | morning | 08:44 |
| ajmitch | I said compiled, so ABI :) | 08:44 |
| imbrandon | heya Gloubiboulga | 08:44 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch: ahh yea my mistake i was thinking api | 08:45 |
| Gloubiboulga | hi imbrandon | 08:45 |
| imbrandon | i dont know tbh i'll have to look | 08:45 |
| imbrandon | whats the -V vs -a ? | 08:46 |
| imbrandon | strict(er) versioning ? | 08:46 |
| ajmitch | -V is for passing the version string | 08:46 |
| ajmitch | -a is a debhelper option | 08:46 |
| imbrandon | so -V would make the programs compiled against this force a recomile if it changes versions ? | 08:47 |
| imbrandon | ( to the new version ) | 08:48 |
| ajmitch | it means that packages compiled against this version would get proper dependencies | 08:48 |
| imbrandon | ok that sounds like a good thing(tm) | 08:48 |
| ajmitch | what you put in shlibs, packages that use libmtp pick up for ${shlibs:Depends} | 08:48 |
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| imbrandon | ahhhhhhhhhh ok , duh | 08:49 |
| imbrandon | nvm i get it now, man i was dense there for a sec | 08:49 |
| imbrandon | ok ok i see what your saying my bad , yea | 08:49 |
| imbrandon | yea in that case -V would probably be the correct thing to do, i'll change that in a few when this pbuilder is done | 08:50 |
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| imbrandon | man i killed the room ( or eveyone is busy REVUing ) | 09:01 |
| imbrandon | heh | 09:01 |
| Burgundavia | imbrandon: no, it was your puppy-eating ways ;) | 09:04 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 09:04 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch: hrm i got pbuilder reinstalled and built, and built libmtp localy again and get that warnings , here i pastebin'd the relvent parts http://pastebin.ca/174812 | 09:09 |
| imbrandon | # | 09:09 |
| imbrandon | dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: could not find any packages for libmtp.so.2 | 09:09 |
| imbrandon | # | 09:09 |
| imbrandon | dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: unable to find dependency information for shared library libmtp (soname 2, path libmtp.so.2, dependency field Depends) | 09:09 |
| imbrandon | and libtool: install: warning: `../src/libmtp.la' has not been installed in `/usr/lib' | 09:09 |
| imbrandon | ( i added the -V too btw ) | 09:10 |
| ajmitch | great | 09:12 |
| === imbrandon might just used cdbs and say fsk it | ||
| imbrandon | ajmitch: any idea what those warnings are ? | 09:12 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: is the shlibs still correct? | 09:16 |
| === ajmitch has seen that before at some point | ||
| === Fujitsu looks for something to do. | ||
| imbrandon | ajmitch: sill right as in ? | 09:20 |
| imbrandon | Fujitsu: REVU day ;) and bugs hehe | 09:20 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch: dostent the dh_sh* take care of that ? | 09:21 |
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| Fujitsu | imbrandon, I'm not a MOTU, so REVU's out of the question... And bugs? | 09:22 |
| === Fujitsu shudders. | ||
| Fujitsu | Toooo many. | 09:22 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: no | 09:22 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: dpkg-deb -I libtmp2_version.deb shlibs | 09:22 |
| ajmitch | s/tmp/mtp/ | 09:22 |
| imbrandon | brandon@horatio:~/devel/libmtp$ dpkg-deb -I /var/cache/pbuilder/edgy/result/libmtp2_0.0.18-0ubuntu1_i386.deb shlibs | 09:23 |
| imbrandon | libmtp 2 libmtp2 (>= 0.0.18) | 09:23 |
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| imbrandon | looks to be | 09:24 |
| ajmitch | ok | 09:25 |
| imbrandon | could it be those warnings are when the -dev package is being built ( the warnings are on the example bins and the so isnt installed in the -dev ) | 09:26 |
| ajmitch | quite likely | 09:26 |
| imbrandon | so in that case is it normal ? | 09:26 |
| ajmitch | where are those example binaries? | 09:26 |
| imbrandon | usr/bin | 09:27 |
| ajmitch | no, which package? | 09:27 |
| imbrandon | -dev | 09:27 |
| imbrandon | the -dev | 09:27 |
| ajmitch | ok | 09:27 |
| imbrandon | the reg package only has the so | 09:27 |
| imbrandon | everything else is in the -dev | 09:27 |
| imbrandon | doc's example bins etc | 09:27 |
| ajmitch | the so.X, I hope | 09:28 |
| imbrandon | yea | 09:28 |
| ajmitch | since the .so symlink should be in -dev :) | 09:28 |
| imbrandon | correct | 09:28 |
| imbrandon | yup i said it wrong but yea | 09:28 |
| imbrandon | -rw-r--r-- root/root 98004 2006-09-18 02:06 ./usr/lib/libmtp.so.2.1.1 | 09:29 |
| imbrandon | ^^ hte reg package | 09:29 |
| ajmitch | yep | 09:29 |
| imbrandon | the* | 09:29 |
| imbrandon | that would explain why i dident get the warnings at first ( i dident install the example bins when i first made the package untill Riddell sugested so ) | 09:30 |
| === ajmitch watches his network connection get hammered | ||
| imbrandon | so the question is now, what do i do about it .... leave out the examples or ignore the warnings | 09:31 |
| ajmitch | ignore warnings, I think :) | 09:31 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch: from what ( network hammered ) | 09:31 |
| ajmitch | copying a disk image from my flatmate's new box | 09:31 |
| imbrandon | ahh ;) | 09:31 |
| ajmitch | dd & netcat are great | 09:31 |
| imbrandon | heheh yea | 09:32 |
| ajmitch | he has xp, xp doesn't handle having new hardware very well ;) | 09:32 |
| imbrandon | i seen some fancy shell scripts to do some cool backup stuff with dd and netcat | 09:32 |
| ajmitch | so in with the live cd | 09:32 |
| ajmitch | even piping it through gzip on the other side, it still saturates 100Mbps network | 09:32 |
| imbrandon | heh | 09:32 |
| ajmitch | he has a nice little 4600+ | 09:32 |
| imbrandon | sweet | 09:33 |
| ajmitch | dual-core x2 | 09:33 |
| imbrandon | very cool | 09:33 |
| ajmitch | yeah, I've only got the 4200+ :) | 09:33 |
| imbrandon | give me a shell account heheh just teasin | 09:33 |
| ajmitch | though my box has a lot more RAM, & disks :) | 09:33 |
| ajmitch | mine isn't for gaming.. | 09:33 |
| imbrandon | really though i want to get pbuilder access to a faster ppc , my lappy just dont cut it for anything semi big | 09:33 |
| imbrandon | 800mhz ppc with 640mb of ram does the job in a pinch but still sucks for things like kdelibs or amarok | 09:34 |
| ajmitch | yeah I wish I had access to a ppc box | 09:34 |
| imbrandon | i was looking at suse openbuild systems or whatever , it said it can build ubuntu packages too but i dont know the details | 09:35 |
| Burgundavia | you could ask canonical to fund something like that? | 09:35 |
| imbrandon | Burgundavia: i was thinking about it, a build farm for the community / MOTU's | 09:35 |
| imbrandon | like what suse does | 09:36 |
| Burgundavia | suse is scrabbling for developers, so they are trying to entice them in with shiny kit | 09:36 |
| imbrandon | theirs suposidly builds for any arch and distro but i havent looked into it alot | 09:36 |
| imbrandon | just read the webpage | 09:36 |
| imbrandon | heh, figured it was something like that | 09:37 |
| imbrandon | i have no intrest in suse but would happly build stuff on their machines ;) | 09:37 |
| imbrandon | ( as long as i can have a edgy chroot ) | 09:37 |
| imbrandon | heh | 09:37 |
| imbrandon | ok so ajmitch you think that looks good enough to upload ? that seems to be the only issue ( the warning ) | 09:39 |
| imbrandon | other than that Riddell and me and you have eyeballed it pretty good | 09:39 |
| ajmitch | hm | 09:40 |
| === ajmitch is no expert on libraries :) | ||
| imbrandon | heh me either ;) /me looks arround the room dholbach or Gloubiboulga ? how are yall with libs ? | 09:40 |
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| ajmitch | from what I can see it's fine now | 09:41 |
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| imbrandon | i was looking though it is almost identical to libnjb except the -docs arent split out into their own package | 09:41 |
| imbrandon | ( and the examples are installed ) | 09:41 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 09:41 |
| imbrandon | well i'll upload it then and archive it on revu, seems good enough for a first upload | 09:42 |
| Gloubiboulga | imbrandon, I can have a look at your lib when I'll be back (if Daniel doesn't look at it while I'm away) | 09:42 |
| Gloubiboulga | bbl | 09:43 |
| imbrandon | Gloubiboulga: ok | 09:43 |
| imbrandon | sniznit i didnt backup my dput.cf /me looks at it to make sure the default is sane | 09:45 |
| ajmitch | firefox is sucking so much RAM it's not funny :) | 09:47 |
| imbrandon | heh beta2 ? | 09:48 |
| ajmitch | beta 1 actually | 09:48 |
| ajmitch | 1350MB according to top | 09:48 |
| imbrandon | iwj updated in the archive, but i doubt its any better on ram | 09:48 |
| imbrandon | jez | 09:49 |
| imbrandon | over a gig for ff | 09:49 |
| ajmitch | yeah | 09:49 |
| imbrandon | i think ff just says total_ram/3 is how much it maloc's | 09:50 |
| imbrandon | heh | 09:50 |
| imbrandon | i would bet its somewhere in the code | 09:50 |
| imbrandon | lol | 09:50 |
| ajmitch | heh | 09:50 |
| ajmitch | it's getting close | 09:50 |
| ajmitch | maybe I should just get more RAM ;) | 09:51 |
| Lathiat | you new zealanders are breaking things again | 09:52 |
| imbrandon | ok i uploaded libmtp , but i left it on revu for the moment for Gloubiboulga to take a final look incase something derastic comes up | 09:52 |
| ajmitch | Lathiat: what's new? | 09:52 |
| Lathiat | NZ telecoms royally screwed somethign in their network over there :), 70ms to 900ms in 1 hop ftw | 09:52 |
| Lathiat | heh | 09:52 |
| imbrandon | heh | 09:52 |
| ajmitch | that's pretty average for telecon | 09:52 |
| Lathiat | and someone i know who has 220mbit through connect has lost half of it hah | 09:52 |
| ajmitch | someone probably tripped over a cable again | 09:53 |
| Lathiat | heh | 09:53 |
| Lathiat | "oops" | 09:53 |
| imbrandon | lol | 09:53 |
| Lathiat | "i just wanted to vacuum.." | 09:53 |
| Lathiat | "didnt seem important" | 09:53 |
| imbrandon | every USP in NZ starts beeping all at once | 09:53 |
| imbrandon | UPS* | 09:53 |
| Lathiat | UPS ? | 09:53 |
| Lathiat | heh | 09:53 |
| imbrandon | i think i'm FINALY getting used to irssi | 09:54 |
| imbrandon | heh | 09:54 |
| Lathiat | irssi is good | 09:54 |
| ajmitch | irssi is very useful | 09:54 |
| ajmitch | to think that I used to use nothing but xchat | 09:55 |
| imbrandon | cept irssi-prox kills konversation with segfaults but i know what the issue is ( bitlbee not irssi-proxy ) | 09:55 |
| imbrandon | well i found a goox mix, irssi rnning on the file server with a /load proxy enabled | 09:55 |
| imbrandon | so i can use konversation when i want | 09:55 |
| imbrandon | but most of the time use irssi now via ssh | 09:56 |
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| StevenK | And now I'm alone in the lab. Much better. | 10:00 |
| imbrandon | StevenK: hehe | 10:00 |
| imbrandon | better than when i started on irc back in 97ish ( mIRC only ) | 10:00 |
| StevenK | Now that's quiet, hopefully my headache will go away, and I can get some work done. | 10:01 |
| StevenK | Unfortantely, it seems this work involves writing JavaScript. | 10:01 |
| === Fujitsu attacks Launchpad with a big attacking thing. | ||
| Fujitsu | Deranged deranged deranged Launchpad. | 10:02 |
| === Fujitsu doesn't particularly feel like looking through https://launchpad.net/people/motuscience/+packagebugs manually. | ||
| ajmitch | hoping that your headache will go away when writing javascript is slightly futile | 10:02 |
| Fujitsu | ajmitch, definitely. | 10:02 |
| StevenK | ajmitch: :-P | 10:03 |
| imbrandon | and you wanted to get RID of a headache ? | 10:04 |
| StevenK | Now that the noisy first-years have buggered off, I have half a chance. | 10:05 |
| ajmitch | StevenK: don't worry, I havre to write php | 10:05 |
| StevenK | ajmitch: I'm not sure which is worse. | 10:05 |
| Fujitsu | Poor ajmitch :( | 10:06 |
| imbrandon | heh i like php much better than java* | 10:06 |
| Fujitsu | Should I file about people's +packagebugs under Launchpad or Malone? | 10:06 |
| Fujitsu | *file a bug about | 10:06 |
| StevenK | After the semester break, I'll be writing ASP. | 10:06 |
| ajmitch | oh dear | 10:06 |
| ajmitch | that is sick | 10:07 |
| Fujitsu | ..... | 10:07 |
| === StevenK is not looking forward to that. | ||
| Fujitsu | StevenK, no. | 10:07 |
| Fujitsu | StevenK, don't do it. | 10:07 |
| imbrandon | heh | 10:07 |
| StevenK | Heh | 10:07 |
| imbrandon | my last contract job was converting a bunch of asp to php | 10:07 |
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| imbrandon | leaste it was asp 3.0 not asp.net | 10:07 |
| Fujitsu | imbrandon, goodo. | 10:07 |
| ajmitch | StevenK: so, why are you doing this? | 10:08 |
| StevenK | ajmitch: Core subject at uni. | 10:10 |
| Fujitsu | ASP is a CORE SUBJECT!? | 10:12 |
| Fujitsu | Can't you call the UN or something and report the uni for crimes against humanity? | 10:12 |
| ajmitch | StevenK: why are you studying? | 10:15 |
| StevenK | Fujitsu: bwaha | 10:15 |
| StevenK | ajmitch: The CEO where I work values university very highly, and so I have been pushed into it. | 10:15 |
| ajmitch | I see | 10:15 |
| StevenK | Not that getting a degree is a bad thing. | 10:16 |
| Fujitsu | But ASP... That's just wrong. | 10:16 |
| StevenK | I actually learnt that JavaScript has regular expressions last week, too. | 10:17 |
| Fujitsu | Ah! | 10:20 |
| Fujitsu | And you wonder why you have a headache. | 10:20 |
| StevenK | No I don't. | 10:20 |
| StevenK | I know *exactly* why I have a headache. | 10:20 |
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| imbrandon | uht oh | 10:23 |
| ajmitch | hm | 10:24 |
| ajmitch | patch on bug 55462 looks interesting | 10:24 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 55462 in gnucash "Gnucash crash" [High,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/55462 | 10:24 |
| Fujitsu | What idea, StevenK? | 10:24 |
| StevenK | Fujitsu: Replacing 50 lines of 6 if/else if/else blocks with a for loop using eval. | 10:25 |
| Fujitsu | ajmitch, er, yeah. | 10:25 |
| Fujitsu | StevenK, it's headache time! | 10:25 |
| ajmitch | Fujitsu: it's a patch supplied by upstream, so it should be sane | 10:26 |
| StevenK | Fujitsu: It will be if I have to debug it. | 10:26 |
| Fujitsu | ajmitch, that's actually from upstream? That's odd. | 10:26 |
| ajmitch | Fujitsu: why? | 10:26 |
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| ajmitch | read the changelog & see why | 10:26 |
| Fujitsu | ajmitch, I just did. I didn't realise it had come from upstream. | 10:27 |
| ajmitch | they had files in the build that implemented the same widgets (I think) as gtk+ | 10:27 |
| Fujitsu | That was pretty silly of them. | 10:27 |
| ajmitch | it's quite common | 10:27 |
| lotusleaf | clamav was updated but not to recent version? hmm | 10:28 |
| ajmitch | people do that before they're included in gtk+ | 10:28 |
| lotusleaf | doh, no changelog ;P | 10:28 |
| Gloubiboulga | imbrandon, your lib looks fine imo | 10:28 |
| ajmitch | oh good, gnucash uses no patch system, we can update it as-is (and file upstream in debian) | 10:28 |
| imbrandon | Gloubiboulga: thanks, its uploaded , i'll archive it on revu now ( and wait for the NEW que ) | 10:29 |
| Fujitsu | And wow, NEW is almost empty now. | 10:32 |
| Fujitsu | Just stuff from REVU, basically. | 10:32 |
| seaLne | how do you see the contents of NEW? | 10:33 |
| imbrandon | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+queue | 10:34 |
| Fujitsu | Shouldn't new versions of packages appear on LP fairly quickly? It's been half an hour since my last two merges were uploaded... They appeared on my +packages, but the new versions haven't appeared in the distro. | 10:35 |
| imbrandon | Fujitsu: after they pass the buildd's | 10:35 |
| Fujitsu | imbrandon, my others have appeared before then. | 10:36 |
| ajmitch | Fujitsu... | 10:41 |
| TheMuso | The packages shoudl appear before they get built. | 10:41 |
| TheMuso | I think publisher runs happen every hour. | 10:41 |
| ajmitch | Fujitsu: why did you get gnucash uploaded before g-wrap was synced? :) | 10:42 |
| ajmitch | I understand that it's in dep-wait, but it's annoying | 10:42 |
| === ajmitch is trying to test the fix mentioned earlier :) | ||
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| surimi | hi | 10:49 |
| surimi | a font manager for Gnome that existe since march 2006 http://font-manager.blaubeermuffin.de/ no deb found. If someone could integrate it in Universe... There is no Font Manager in Gnome at this moment. | 10:52 |
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| Fujitsu | ajmitch, why's that annoying? | 10:58 |
| ajmitch | Fujitsu: because I can't build, test & upload without far more effort :) | 10:58 |
| Fujitsu | True... | 10:59 |
| Fujitsu | Syncs are really taking a while to be processed these days :( | 10:59 |
| ajmitch | yeah | 10:59 |
| StevenK | Fujitsu: If you want delays, go through Debian NM. | 11:00 |
| imbrandon | lol | 11:00 |
| StevenK | Then sync requests will look to be blazingly fast. | 11:00 |
| Fujitsu | Er, no thanks. | 11:00 |
| ajmitch | says he who set new records for NM | 11:01 |
| === StevenK denies everything. | ||
| Fujitsu | ? | 11:02 |
| StevenK | Fujitsu: I went from applicant to developer in four days. | 11:04 |
| Fujitsu | Woah. | 11:04 |
| StevenK | Which is entirely unheard of. | 11:04 |
| Fujitsu | You don't say. | 11:04 |
| Fujitsu | How'd you manage it? | 11:04 |
| StevenK | Pure luck. | 11:04 |
| StevenK | Fujitsu: I managed to get a very well respected DD as my advocate, and one of the best AMs, and I happened to be approved a few days before elmo did a run of creating accounts. | 11:06 |
| Fujitsu | AM? | 11:07 |
| StevenK | Application Manager | 11:07 |
| StevenK | They're a member of the NM process who see if you're ready to be a DD, as it were. | 11:07 |
| StevenK | Check if your key is signed, ask you a whole bunch of questions, and see what work you've done before. | 11:08 |
| Fujitsu | Ah, OK. | 11:08 |
| gnomefreak | anyone care to shoot me :( someone is bugging out about gnucash :( | 11:09 |
| Fujitsu | What about it? | 11:14 |
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| slomo | crimsun: ping? | 11:16 |
| \sh | moins | 11:16 |
| slomo | hi \sh | 11:16 |
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| ajmitch | hi \sh | 12:00 |
| jsgotangco | hey ajmitch | 12:00 |
| ajmitch | hey jsgotangco | 12:01 |
| ajmitch | what's up? | 12:01 |
| jsgotangco | ahh just escaped from IE hell | 12:01 |
| ajmitch | heh | 12:02 |
| jsgotangco | i cant believe i moved into a place where IE is the only browser you can use at work sheeshhh | 12:03 |
| ajmitch | that's just evil | 12:03 |
| Fujitsu | That's wrong... | 12:04 |
| ajmitch | I use win XP, but I use firefox 99% of the time | 12:04 |
| Fujitsu | How do they restrict that? | 12:04 |
| ajmitch | and most of my work is done in emacs on a debian box with ssh | 12:04 |
| jsgotangco | Fujitsu: i dunno, we ride on the mother company's link...they say the proxy doesnt work well with linux...i find it silly...its only a browser, even ISA server doesnt restrict such | 12:04 |
| Fujitsu | Proxys can't work differently with different OSs! | 12:05 |
| ajmitch | ISA server is an evil piece of work | 12:05 |
| jsgotangco | does anyone know if the web mail access of lotus notes can be used with firefox? | 12:05 |
| ajmitch | my laptop can't get an outside connection going properly | 12:05 |
| Fujitsu | ajmitch, it can do very very evil things. | 12:06 |
| ajmitch | iirc firefox could use the proxy, but everything else was meant to use the evil little isa firewall client | 12:06 |
| jsgotangco | ajmitch: i thought ISA server doesnt require a client installed anymore, unlike the old Proxy Server 2 | 12:06 |
| ajmitch | jsgotangco: this one does, and the server is SBS2003 | 12:06 |
| jsgotangco | ickkkk | 12:06 |
| Fujitsu | Yuck yuck yuck. | 12:06 |
| jsgotangco | shall i declare independence? | 12:07 |
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| AnAnt | ping ajmitch | 01:14 |
| ajmitch | pong | 01:14 |
| AnAnt | ajmitch: can you clear apcalc upload ? | 01:14 |
| AnAnt | Gloubiboulga: thanks for advocating acon | 01:14 |
| ajmitch | done | 01:14 |
| AnAnt | ajmitch: thanks | 01:14 |
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| AnAnt | ping Gloubiboulga | 01:19 |
| AnAnt | ping lionelp_ | 01:19 |
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| AnAnt | ping dholbach | 01:32 |
| dholbach | AnAnt: pong | 01:36 |
| AnAnt | dholbach: may I ask you to REVU a package ? | 01:36 |
| dholbach | i was just about to go for a dogwalk - can you drop me a mail? | 01:37 |
| dholbach | then I'll do it later, when I get back | 01:37 |
| AnAnt | dholbach: ok | 01:37 |
| dholbach | ok super | 01:37 |
| AnAnt | thanks | 01:39 |
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| xerxas_ | I have a package that builds in pbuilder, installs cleanly, and I seem to be able to use it | 02:26 |
| xerxas_ | what's next ? | 02:26 |
| xerxas_ | how do I make it make it's way in edgy ? | 02:26 |
| Fujitsu | Submit it to REVU. | 02:26 |
| xerxas_ | ok | 02:27 |
| xerxas_ | is there a revu doc ? | 02:27 |
| Fujitsu | wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU | 02:28 |
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| Kagou | hub: after contacting official debian maintainer of dcraw, he have completely rebuilt package, as we have discussed. The new package will be available soon. | 02:30 |
| hub | so you'll take of the merge from debian in the future? | 02:37 |
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| xerxas_ | Fujitsu, I cannot manage to login in revu | 02:46 |
| xerxas_ | I should use the same password I use on launchapd ? | 02:46 |
| tseng | no | 02:46 |
| Fujitsu | xerxas_, no. | 02:46 |
| xerxas_ | and the login is my e-mail address ? | 02:46 |
| Fujitsu | xerxas_, why do you need to log in? | 02:47 |
| xerxas_ | oops | 02:47 |
| xerxas_ | I think it's written on the wiki page | 02:47 |
| xerxas_ | lemme check | 02:47 |
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| xerxas_ | Fujitsu, I want to login to upload a package | 02:48 |
| Fujitsu | xerxas_, you don't need to. Look at the wiki page. | 02:48 |
| xerxas_ | I don't see where I can upload on http://revu.tauware.de/index.py | 02:49 |
| Fujitsu | xerxas_, you don't. Please read the wiki page. | 02:49 |
| xerxas_ | ok | 02:49 |
| xerxas_ | using dput | 02:49 |
| xerxas_ | ok | 02:49 |
| xerxas_ | thanks | 02:49 |
| Fujitsu | Yes. | 02:49 |
| xerxas_ | Fujitsu, ok , I have dputted my changes file | 02:51 |
| Hobbsee | make sur eyou use dput revu whatever.changes, or change your dput.cf | 02:51 |
| xerxas_ | it uploaded all necessary files | 02:51 |
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| Fujitsu | Hobbsee, it defaults to revu. | 02:52 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: no it doesnt. | 02:52 |
| Hobbsee | well, i really doubt it does anyway | 02:52 |
| Fujitsu | xerxas_, OK, check REVU in a few minutes. | 02:52 |
| xerxas_ | ok | 02:52 |
| === Hobbsee double checks | ||
| === Fujitsu does so too. | ||
| Hobbsee | default_host_main = ubuntu | 02:52 |
| Hobbsee | in the source | 02:52 |
| Fujitsu | Hm. | 02:53 |
| Hobbsee | glad to know that i havent been uploading to the wrong place by accident | 02:53 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: you wuold have changed your dput.cf when first uploading to revu | 02:53 |
| Fujitsu | Hahaha. | 02:53 |
| Fujitsu | I must have, yes. | 02:53 |
| xerxas_ | I didn't change my dput.cf , is it ok ? | 02:53 |
| Hobbsee | i mean, i get the right accepted mails to know that it's right, but even so | 02:53 |
| Hobbsee | xerxas_: want to pastebin the entire message it gave you, as you were uploading? | 02:54 |
| xerxas_ | why not | 02:54 |
| xerxas_ | http://fr.pastebin.ca/175019 | 02:55 |
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| Fujitsu | xerxas_, you need to change dput.cf, as specified on the wiki. | 02:56 |
| xerxas_ | ok | 02:56 |
| xerxas_ | this "default_host_main = revu" . | 02:56 |
| xerxas_ | ? | 02:56 |
| Hobbsee | xerxas_: you've uploaded to the wrong place, you need to follow the wiki | 02:56 |
| Hobbsee | yes | 02:56 |
| Hobbsee | and the unsigned uploads = 0, or whatever it says | 02:57 |
| Fujitsu | I can just see a Soyuz bug letting that through. | 02:57 |
| xerxas_ | ok | 02:58 |
| xerxas_ | done | 02:58 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: no, it rejects it. i've tried. | 02:58 |
| Hobbsee | when uploading to main by accident | 02:58 |
| Fujitsu | Obviously :P | 02:58 |
| xerxas_ | Upload package to host revu | 02:58 |
| Fujitsu | xerxas_, that's better :) | 02:59 |
| xerxas_ | it should appear on http://revu.tauware.de/ ? | 02:59 |
| Hobbsee | yes | 02:59 |
| Fujitsu | What's the name of it, xerxas_? | 02:59 |
| Hobbsee | eventually | 02:59 |
| Hobbsee | xerxas_: are you in the group in the last link in the topic? | 03:00 |
| xerxas_ | it's pymsn or python-msn (respectivly source and binary) | 03:00 |
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| xerxas_ | http://tinyurl.com/fgpgy here ? | 03:01 |
| xerxas_ | no , I'm not | 03:01 |
| xerxas_ | oops , sorry , I am | 03:01 |
| shenki | hello | 03:01 |
| xerxas_ | Contributors of packages for ubuntu universe (Approved) | 03:01 |
| Fujitsu | Hi shenki. | 03:02 |
| xerxas_ | Hi | 03:02 |
| shenki | I was wondering, how would I go about telling pbuilder to use a local package if it cant find it in the archives? I'm trying to build metacity with compositing, however, it needs to use a package which isn't in the archives - ive packaged, built and installed it locally | 03:03 |
| Hobbsee | shenki: use sudo pbuilder login, copy the source into the build directory (it tells you) and the deb that you want, and run debuild (install devscripts first) | 03:04 |
| shenki | ah, cheers Hobbsee | 03:04 |
| xerxas_ | Fujitsu, Hobbsee I still don't see my package in revu | 03:05 |
| Fujitsu | It's there. | 03:05 |
| xerxas_ | ok | 03:06 |
| xerxas_ | thanks | 03:06 |
| xerxas_ | oops, yes, it is | 03:06 |
| xerxas_ | ! | 03:06 |
| Hobbsee | ah | 03:06 |
| shenki | just to claify, do you mean copy the metacity source to the /var/cache/pbulider/build/##### dir? | 03:06 |
| Fujitsu | shenki, yes. | 03:06 |
| shenki | cool :) | 03:06 |
| Hobbsee | shenki: yep :) | 03:07 |
| xerxas_ | I need to remove the .bzr directory ? | 03:07 |
| xerxas_ | I forgot to run lintian on it | 03:07 |
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| xerxas_ | can I re-upload a package ? | 03:07 |
| sistpoty | hi folks | 03:07 |
| xerxas_ | rm .bzr ; debuild -S -sa ; dput *changes ? | 03:08 |
| Hobbsee | yes. | 03:09 |
| Hobbsee | i think so | 03:09 |
| Fujitsu | You may need a -f on that dput. | 03:09 |
| xerxas_ | ok | 03:09 |
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| === Fujitsu runs off to bed now. | ||
| StevenK | Fujitsu: Wimp! | 03:10 |
| Fujitsu | ...? | 03:11 |
| StevenK | Going to bed before midnight! I mean, really. | 03:11 |
| shenki | hehe | 03:12 |
| Fujitsu | Hahah. | 03:12 |
| shenki | you've got school tomorow, hey Fujitsu? | 03:12 |
| Fujitsu | I've got parents :( | 03:12 |
| Fujitsu | shenki, no. | 03:12 |
| Fujitsu | It's school holidays. | 03:12 |
| shenki | oh, rly? | 03:12 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 03:12 |
| shenki | lucky you | 03:12 |
| Fujitsu | Not really... | 03:12 |
| shenki | I was just about to boast about how im on uni holidays as of today :P | 03:12 |
| === Hobbsee cant remeber the last time she went to school before midnight | ||
| Hobbsee | uni holidays here too | 03:12 |
| Fujitsu | I need to study for exams in 4 weeks. | 03:12 |
| shenki | heh | 03:12 |
| Fujitsu | Hobbsee, school before midnight? | 03:12 |
| shenki | hehe, I laughed Hobbsee | 03:12 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: er, to bed before midnight | 03:12 |
| Fujitsu | Hobbsee, I thought so. | 03:13 |
| Hobbsee | i'm tired, leave me in peace :P | 03:13 |
| shenki | I thought you were making a joke :) | 03:13 |
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| === Hobbsee BURNS the stick, and Fujitsu | ||
| Fujitsu | Gah. Of course. | 03:13 |
| === Fujitsu attacks Hobbsee with his ultimate lowliness. | ||
| Fujitsu | What /are/ those buildds doing... | 03:15 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 03:15 |
| Hobbsee | probably buildign openoffice, why? | 03:16 |
| Fujitsu | I've just had a build waiting for over 4 hours, and there haven't been any KDE things lately that I've seen. | 03:16 |
| xerxas_ | Fujitsu, my orig.tar.gz file needs to contain the .bzr ? | 03:16 |
| xerxas_ | does the diff removes it ? (I still see the warning from lintian in revu ) | 03:16 |
| Fujitsu | Well, goodnight everybody! | 03:18 |
| Hobbsee | night Fujitsu! | 03:18 |
| Fujitsu | Goodnight! | 03:18 |
| sistpoty | gn8 Fujitsu | 03:18 |
| Hobbsee | hey sistpoty | 03:18 |
| Fujitsu | 'night, sistpoty. | 03:18 |
| Fujitsu | (and hi) | 03:19 |
| sistpoty | hi Hobbsee | 03:19 |
| xerxas_ | need to disconnect for 10 minutes ... | 03:21 |
| xerxas_ | bye | 03:21 |
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| matid | Hi, I've got a question - what does it mean if a package in multiverse repo doesn't have a source package? | 04:14 |
| matid | I tried: apt-get source program_name and got 'Unable to find a source package for program_name' | 04:15 |
| matid | It installs just fine with apt-get install | 04:15 |
| seaLne | maybe the source package is different to the binary package name, what was it? | 04:15 |
| pirast | matid: i think that in multiverse there are also packages which are not being compiled on the ubuntu buildservers so that there is no sourcecode available | 04:15 |
| pirast | mhm | 04:16 |
| pirast | but im not sure.. | 04:16 |
| pirast | what package was it? | 04:16 |
| matid | festalon | 04:16 |
| pirast | matid: i can get the sources w/o problems.. | 04:17 |
| matid | I know | 04:17 |
| seaLne | me to | 04:17 |
| Hobbsee | !info festalon | 04:17 |
| ubotu | festalon: NSF player for OSS (/dev/dsp). In component multiverse, is optional. Version 0.2.4-1 (dapper), package size 32 kB, installed size 140 kB | 04:17 |
| matid | It just sprung to my mind that I might have not enabled multiverse *source* repositories | 04:17 |
| Hobbsee | matid: you likely dont have the corresponding deb-src line for multiverse | 04:17 |
| pirast | matid: that would be the next thing that i would have assumed :-) | 04:18 |
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| matid | I've just reinstalled my system and I forgot to tweak it ;) | 04:19 |
| matid | Thanks | 04:19 |
| sistpoty | anybody here who wants a package reviewed? *g* | 04:22 |
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| seaLne | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3170 | 04:24 |
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| matid | If I want to update the package from version 0.2.4 to 0.5.5 should I create the package from scratch or should I reuse the previous one? | 04:37 |
| matid | And are there any guidelines on how to do it? | 04:38 |
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| clandestino | Maybe the wrong forum. But does somebody know python-dbus? I need some help.. | 04:38 |
| slomo | clandestino: depends... what is the question? :) | 04:41 |
| clandestino | I got help in #dbus. Thanks anyway. Might have more questions : ) | 04:43 |
| sistpoty | seaLne: the libewf-dev package misses some headers... | 04:45 |
| sistpoty | seaLne: if you look at the shipped header file, it includes headers that are not part of the package, so you can't compile anything with it | 04:45 |
| sistpoty | seaLne: also, it might be a good idea to rename the binary package libewf to libewf-bin (since it's not a library) | 04:46 |
| seaLne | sistpoty: thanks | 04:50 |
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| sistpoty | matid: you could try to reuse as much as possible... e.g. copy the debian-directory from the old package into the new source, but you'll have to be careful about what needs to be adjusted ;) | 04:52 |
| seaLne | sistpoty: the header files it includes sound a bit generic names that might conflict? | 04:53 |
| sistpoty | seaLne: you could put all the headers to /usr/include/libewf? | 04:54 |
| seaLne | how would things know to look there? | 04:55 |
| sistpoty | seaLne: they wouldn't, but anyone who compiles s.th. would need to set the include-path by himself | 04:55 |
| seaLne | the reason i'm packaging libewf is for sleuthkit, where the new version uses it (nastily included in its tgz) | 04:56 |
| sistpoty | seaLne: then you'll need to do s.th. like -I/usr/lib/libewf for sleuthkit. I doubt it would work out w.o. using a subdirectory for the headers due to the generic names | 04:59 |
| seaLne | thanks, that makes sense | 05:00 |
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| seaLne | sistpoty: if you have a chance i've made those changes http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3175 | 05:18 |
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| slytherin | Is there any way to request for a particular app's latest version even though the app is not in debian unstable? | 05:21 |
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| sistpoty | seaLne: good job! you'll just need another advocate ;) | 05:22 |
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| sistpoty | slytherin: you could file a bug on launchpad | 05:25 |
| slytherin | sistpoty: I could. But is there any policy for such package uploads? I want latest version of gnomebaker in edgy. But there could be many such requests. So who makes the decision? | 05:26 |
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| seaLne | depends if someone takes the time to package it | 05:27 |
| seaLne | there is no harm in having the bug | 05:27 |
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| sistpoty | slytherin: any motu that triages the bug... however if the package is properly maintained in debian, it's unlikely that we'll go ahead of debian | 05:28 |
| slytherin | seaLne: sistpoty: Thanks for your explanation. | 05:28 |
| bddebian | Heya gang | 05:28 |
| sistpoty | hi bddebian | 05:28 |
| bddebian | Hi sistpoty | 05:28 |
| seaLne | bddebian: hiya have time to look at updated libewf package? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3175 | 05:29 |
| seaLne | or actually can you advocate? | 05:29 |
| bddebian | seaLne: Probably, give me a bit | 05:30 |
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| slomo | crimsun: ping? | 05:46 |
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| lfittl | hello everybody | 05:59 |
| dholbach | so how's the REVU day going? | 05:59 |
| sistpoty | hi lfittl | 05:59 |
| dholbach | hi lfittl | 05:59 |
| dholbach | hey sistpoty | 06:00 |
| sistpoty | hi dholbach | 06:00 |
| lfittl | hi sistpoty, dholbach :) | 06:00 |
| sistpoty | oh, not too much revu traffic here till now... ;) | 06:00 |
| === lfittl is free for reviews for the next 6 hours :) | ||
| bddebian | w00t, go lfittl :-) | 06:08 |
| lfittl | hey bddebian | 06:08 |
| dholbach | apcalc reviewed | 06:09 |
| dholbach | doing elinks-full | 06:09 |
| bddebian | sistpoty: BTW, on the .la files issue, I am still getting different answers. You'll notice a comment on one of the uploads from dholbach that they are not needed. Speaking with Keybuk last night on IRC, he says they should be included ;-P | 06:09 |
| dholbach | (did pymsn, libjingle0.3 before) | 06:09 |
| sistpoty | bddebian: ok, thanks for asking around there | 06:09 |
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| sistpoty | bddebian: hehe, I just actually looked at one .la file, my guess is that it's needed if you use libtool to link against a library. My best bet is that it should be better in the -dev package (like pkg-config stuff and similar things) | 06:12 |
| slomo | bddebian: it really depends on the package... if it used pkg-config it's save to drop the .la files | 06:12 |
| slomo | bddebian: otherwise it could be that you still need them... and then you might need to relibtoolize the package to get rid of spurious dependencies | 06:12 |
| === dholbach looks at farsight now | ||
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| slomo | bddebian: and dropping them from an already existing package will cause you some transition pain | 06:14 |
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| superm1 | hey are bddebian or imbrandon around right now? | 06:21 |
| Toadstool | heya everybody | 06:21 |
| bddebian | superm1: No, I ran away :-) | 06:21 |
| bddebian | Heya Toadstool | 06:21 |
| superm1 | hehe | 06:21 |
| superm1 | hey I'm looking to become an ubuntu member, and then looking to join MOTU | 06:21 |
| bddebian | superm1: Great | 06:22 |
| superm1 | I was wondering if you could come to community council meeting for tomorrow? | 06:22 |
| sistpoty | hi Toadstool | 06:22 |
| Toadstool | hey bddebian & sistpoty | 06:22 |
| lfittl | hi Toadstool | 06:22 |
| Toadstool | hi lifeless | 06:22 |
| Toadstool | uhuh | 06:22 |
| Toadstool | hi lfittl :) | 06:22 |
| lfittl | :) | 06:22 |
| bddebian | superm1: I am swamped with work but I will try | 06:22 |
| superm1 | okay great, thanks | 06:23 |
| superm1 | I gotta finish up a wiki page now:) | 06:23 |
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| LaserJock | how's REVU DAY?? | 06:51 |
| AnAnt | dholbach: thanks | 06:51 |
| AnAnt | dholbach: need to understand your comment elinks-full | 06:51 |
| bddebian | Heya LaserJock | 06:52 |
| bddebian | AnAnt: Oh, I meant to ask you. Can elinks be dropped in favor of your elinks-full package or are they seperate now? | 06:52 |
| AnAnt | bddebian: separate | 06:53 |
| AnAnt | bddebian: elinks has elinks & elinks-lite | 06:53 |
| bddebian | OK | 06:53 |
| geser | when doing a merge from a package ending in -Xbuild1 should the changelog entry for the rebuild be taken over to the new package? | 06:53 |
| AnAnt | bddebian: mine provides an elinks-full which uses packages that are in the universe | 06:53 |
| AnAnt | bddebian: I did that because elinks source is in main, hence cannot depend on stuff in universe | 06:53 |
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| AnAnt | bddebian: and the features that are compiled in elinks-full need those universe dependencies | 06:54 |
| bddebian | OK | 06:54 |
| LaserJock | geser: for a merge? might as well, although it isn't a terribly important changelog entry | 06:54 |
| fbond|away | if anyone wants to take a look at sclapp i'd be appreciative: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2596 | 06:54 |
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| AnAnt | bddebian: you'll REVU it ? | 06:55 |
| geser | it is more a sync but the debian package need a small fix to build | 06:55 |
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| bddebian | AnAnt: If I can yes. I'm a bit swamped at work today :-( | 06:55 |
| fbond | Gloubiboulga, thanks | 06:55 |
| AnAnt | k | 06:55 |
| AnAnt | Gloubiboulga: thanks for acon | 06:55 |
| AnAnt | bddebian: oh btw, acon is on the queue now | 06:56 |
| Gloubiboulga | AnAnt, no problem | 06:56 |
| AnAnt | ping dholbach | 06:56 |
| dholbach | AnAnt: pong | 06:56 |
| superm1 | speaking of today being REVU day, I added an update to the mythtv package with a very minor debdiff to fix ubutnu gnome-screensaver support and mmx support. Can I be added up on to the queue of stuff to be looked at today? | 06:57 |
| bddebian | AnAnt: Great, congrats | 06:57 |
| AnAnt | dholbach: I need to discuss elinks-full issues | 06:58 |
| dholbach | AnAnt: I'd prefer it, yes | 06:58 |
| AnAnt | dholbach: what discussion at ubuntu-devel is that ? | 06:58 |
| dholbach | AnAnt: one I'd like you to start | 06:59 |
| AnAnt | dholbach: huh ? | 06:59 |
| dholbach | AnAnt: two times the same source in ubuntu means: two times merging efforts, two times security updates, etc | 06:59 |
| === sistpoty is off again | ||
| sistpoty | cya | 06:59 |
| dholbach | (not to mention archive stuff, mirrors, etc) | 06:59 |
| bddebian | Laterz sistpoty | 06:59 |
| dholbach | it might not be a big issue, but it's better to discuss it before | 06:59 |
| AnAnt | dholbach: what is ubuntu-devel ? | 07:00 |
| dholbach | ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com | 07:00 |
| dholbach | a mailing list | 07:00 |
| AnAnt | dholbach: anyways, how can I use pkgconfig to link against python ? | 07:00 |
| === Toadstool checks rrdweather | ||
| dholbach | sorry, if I was not specific enough | 07:00 |
| AnAnt | dholbach: am I (as an LP member) registered to that list ? | 07:00 |
| dholbach | AnAnt: no, but you can do it on http://lists.ubuntu.com | 07:01 |
| AnAnt | k | 07:01 |
| AnAnt | dholbach: anyways, how can I use pkgconfig to link against python ? | 07:01 |
| dholbach | AnAnt: you can probably forget that comment | 07:01 |
| AnAnt | dholbach: why ? I was really waiting for someone to tell me how to detect which python version to link against | 07:02 |
| dholbach | i thought we could sneak something like `pkg-config --libs python` in, so you wouldn't have a static -python2.4 | 07:02 |
| dholbach | but the .pc files are all versioned too | 07:02 |
| AnAnt | oh, but does python have .pc file ? | 07:03 |
| dholbach | yes | 07:03 |
| dholbach | /usr/lib/pkgconfig | 07:03 |
| AnAnt | dholbach: I am looking there, nothing | 07:03 |
| Toadstool | quick question, there's no need to declare a dependency on a priority: required package, right? | 07:04 |
| AnAnt | dholbach: at least in dapper it doesn't exist | 07:04 |
| dholbach | AnAnt: you have python*-dev installed? | 07:04 |
| AnAnt | dholbach: nope, ok, I got it | 07:04 |
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| crimsun | slomo: pong | 07:12 |
| AnAnt | dholbach: so there's no solution for python except that patch I've done, right ? | 07:12 |
| slomo | crimsun: problem already solved itself :) but did you hear something about snd-ymfpci already? | 07:13 |
| dholbach | AnAnt: not sure | 07:13 |
| AnAnt | dholbach: I've asked on #python & here & #elinks about a way, but I got no answer | 07:13 |
| dholbach | maybe you can put that in the post to ubuntu-devel too? | 07:14 |
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| AnAnt | dholbach: sure, so apcalc is now on the queue ? | 07:14 |
| dholbach | yes, it's uploaded | 07:14 |
| crimsun | slomo: (pun intended?) no | 07:15 |
| dholbach | AnAnt: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/apcalc/2.12.1.2-0ubuntu1 | 07:15 |
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| slomo | crimsun: not intended, no... a user had a weird problem with quodlibet that was meant to be fixed with 0.23.1 and i wanted to ask you whether you will update it :) but then it worked for the user again with 0.23 *shrug* | 07:16 |
| AnAnt | dholbach: wierd, I searched in new queue,it isn't there | 07:17 |
| crimsun | slomo: sure, I'll just request a sync (I'm waiting for 0.24, but its ETA is shaky) | 07:17 |
| crimsun | rather, I'll ACK the sync request | 07:18 |
| dholbach | AnAnt: it's not in NEW, the package existed in Ubuntu before | 07:18 |
| AnAnt | oh, ok | 07:18 |
| AnAnt | well, gotta go | 07:18 |
| AnAnt | later | 07:18 |
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| bddebian | dholbach: Not allowed ;-P | 07:20 |
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| Nafallo | lol | 07:21 |
| === bddebian gets no love :-) | ||
| LaserJock | with comments like that, no ;-) | 07:21 |
| crimsun | deities get no love. | 07:21 |
| crimsun | nor raging ubuntuaholic motus. | 07:21 |
| bddebian | heh | 07:21 |
| LaserJock | nor uberMOTUs | 07:21 |
| crimsun | who's the ubermotu? hobbsee? | 07:22 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: Isn't crimsun a core-dev? | 07:22 |
| LaserJock | you know full well you are the only try uberMOTU | 07:22 |
| bddebian | s/try/true/ | 07:22 |
| LaserJock | s/try/true/ | 07:22 |
| bddebian | ;-P | 07:22 |
| crimsun | no way, I'm a nobody, and I love it that way :D | 07:22 |
| bddebian | crimsun: No, you are THE MAN! :-) | 07:22 |
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| xerxas | dholbach: ? | 07:23 |
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| xerxas | pymsn's code is ready | 07:24 |
| dholbach | xerxas: super | 07:24 |
| xerxas | I need to do a bzr update ? | 07:24 |
| dholbach | xerxas: I'm about to take a walk - push it to bzr please and I'll have a look later | 07:24 |
| dholbach | xerxas: ask in #ubuntu-dektop or #ubuntu-motu, but I'll leave for a bit now | 07:24 |
| xerxas | I mean the upstream code of pymsn | 07:24 |
| xerxas | did you got it ? | 07:24 |
| dholbach | talk to asabil | 07:25 |
| dholbach | he told me he didnt push his newest changes to upstream bzr | 07:25 |
| fbond | Gloubiboulga, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPython/NewPolicy would seem to conflict with /usr/share/doc/python-support/README.gz on my edgy system | 07:25 |
| fbond | which should I follow? | 07:25 |
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| Gloubiboulga | fbond, I don't see a conflict... | 07:26 |
| xerxas | dholbach: he did , 5 minutes ago | 07:26 |
| xerxas | in his branch | 07:26 |
| dholbach | xerxas: no, didn't get those yet | 07:26 |
| dholbach | xerxas: and I'm about to leave for a bit | 07:27 |
| fbond | from /usr/share/doc/python-support/README.gz: | 07:27 |
| fbond | *** You don't need X[BS] -Python-Version fields. You don't need ***rn*** debian/pycompat. Just remove all of these. *** | 07:27 |
| dholbach | xerxas: bzr pull should get you his newest changes | 07:27 |
| xerxas | dholbach: ok , good walk then ! | 07:27 |
| dholbach | thanks | 07:27 |
| dholbach | see you | 07:27 |
| bddebian | later dholbach | 07:28 |
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| xerxas | fbond: will remove it | 07:29 |
| fbond | xerxas, will remove ... those lines from the README.gz, or the conflicting advice in NewPolicy? | 07:29 |
| xerxas | don't know , you think it's needed ? | 07:30 |
| fbond | think what is needed? | 07:30 |
| fbond | I'm not following. | 07:30 |
| xerxas | ok sorry, I thought you were talking about my package | 07:30 |
| Gloubiboulga | maybe python-support doesn't need this | 07:30 |
| xerxas | I use an XB-Python-Version in my package | 07:30 |
| Gloubiboulga | I'm not really at ease with this new policy yet | 07:30 |
| fbond | Apparently, it doesn't ... but maybe it should be there anyway. | 07:31 |
| fbond | I wish someone would dictate one of python-central or python-support, to start with. | 07:31 |
| fbond | :) | 07:31 |
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| LaserJock | well, doko once suggested that we use python-central | 07:32 |
| LaserJock | for Ubuntu | 07:33 |
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| LaserJock | and since he wrote and and is the Ubuntu python guys ... | 07:33 |
| crimsun | It's good to know both, but I generally use python-central. | 07:34 |
| crimsun | use whatever LaserJock, the raging ubuntuaholic motu, uses | 07:35 |
| LaserJock | haha | 07:35 |
| LaserJock | well, I like how with python central you don't have to change where things are installed | 07:35 |
| fbond | And if you go the python-central route, you don't have to resolve conflicts in documentation, I guess.... | 07:36 |
| LaserJock | for python apps anyway, not sure if that's also the case for python libs | 07:36 |
| fbond | Does it make a difference? | 07:36 |
| LaserJock | does what make a difference? | 07:36 |
| fbond | most python "apps" are thin wrappers around calls to python modules | 07:36 |
| fbond | in my experience :) | 07:36 |
| LaserJock | well, private vs. public modules vs extentions | 07:37 |
| LaserJock | they are each treated a little differently | 07:37 |
| fbond | hmm. dunno anything about extensions. | 07:37 |
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| fbond | ls | 07:46 |
| fbond | sorry :) | 07:46 |
| fbond | Gloubiboulga, what is the preferred way to specify GPL v2 only (for upstream maintainers)? | 07:52 |
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| Gloubiboulga | fbond, you can have a look at quodlibet license, it's v2 only IIRC | 07:58 |
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| lfittl | can somebody with the necessary rights please remove the uploaders advocate on http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3159 | 08:07 |
| LaserJock | ugg, I didn't think you could even do that :/ | 08:08 |
| bddebian | You can remove your own advocacy can't you? | 08:09 |
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| lfittl | bddebian: I am not the uploader ;) | 08:11 |
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| dholbach | so how's the REVU going? | 09:29 |
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| lfittl | dholbach: it's just a loot of packages, and most have not been updated for many months.. ;) | 09:35 |
| dholbach | yeah, we should be more rigorous about people not updating their package after comments were sent | 09:35 |
| dholbach | and somebody should fix 'glest'! | 09:36 |
| lfittl | I have sent mail to some people now, and if they don't respond this week I will archive the packages | 09:36 |
| dholbach | I think two months is even enough | 09:37 |
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| lfittl | dholbach: Giuseppe wrote 6 days ago that he will start working on it again soon, should we really just fix it and upload it? | 09:37 |
| lophyte | hey guys | 09:37 |
| dholbach | I think it'd be cool | 09:37 |
| dholbach | credit everybody and his/her changes in debian/changelog and get it in | 09:37 |
| lfittl | dholbach: k, will have a look at it after doing the blender merge from debian | 09:37 |
| dholbach | ahhhhh blender again ;-) | 09:38 |
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| lionelp | Toadstool: I corrected rrdweather if you have time to review it again. Thanks | 09:39 |
| lfittl | dholbach: yep, but now in universe :) | 09:39 |
| dholbach | ahh ok | 09:40 |
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| ajmitch | morning all | 09:54 |
| === dholbach cleaned some old packages out | ||
| Nafallo | moring andrew :-) | 09:54 |
| Toadstool | lionelp: ok, advocated ;) | 09:55 |
| lophyte | hey dholbach | 09:55 |
| dholbach | hey lophyte | 09:55 |
| lionelp | Toadstool: thanks | 09:55 |
| lionelp | someone else to review rrdweather ? | 09:55 |
| lophyte | thanks for the quick response about mentorship :) | 09:55 |
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| phanatic | good evening | 09:59 |
| bddebian | Heya phanatic | 09:59 |
| phanatic | hey bddebian | 09:59 |
| Adri2000 | does it sound good english : "Giplet can also be set to check every so often in case the IP address changes." ? | 10:00 |
| LaserJock | Adri2000: I'd probably go with "Giplet can also be used to check periodically from IP address changes." | 10:03 |
| === ajmitch wouldn't | ||
| ajmitch | s/form/for/ | 10:04 |
| ajmitch | sorry | 10:04 |
| ajmitch | s/from/for/ | 10:05 |
| ajmitch | hi LaserJock :) | 10:05 |
| === bddebian gives ajmitch a big smooch | ||
| Adri2000 | ok thanks | 10:05 |
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| ajmitch | well that spoilt my enthusiasm for reviewing today | 10:05 |
| bddebian | :-) | 10:05 |
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| === ajmitch checks on REVU day progress | ||
| ajmitch | still quite a long list | 10:11 |
| Adri2000 | is the B-D python always needed for python apps ? i have already python-gtk2-dev as B-D which depends on python | 10:11 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: you haven't even reviewed my stuff :) | 10:11 |
| ajmitch | Adri2000: it seems common to build-dep on python-all-dev now | 10:13 |
| Adri2000 | okay | 10:16 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: hi, thanks for the typo correction | 10:18 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: Why would you submit to REVU? You are THE MAN? :-) | 10:20 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: no | 10:21 |
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| bddebian | ajmitch: Yes | 10:24 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: You are probably more throrough than any of us :-) | 10:25 |
| bddebian | Uhm thorough | 10:25 |
| ajmitch | doesn't mean that I checked that package before uploading | 10:26 |
| Adri2000 | Toadstool: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3182 :p | 10:30 |
| Nafallo | anyone use gajim with jabberd2 or wildfire servers? :-) | 10:36 |
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| bddebian | Nafallo: Just you apparently ;-P | 10:38 |
| Nafallo | bddebian: no, I'm on ejabberd and jabberd ;-). I'm trying to fix bug #44321 | 10:39 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 44321 in gajim "gajim goes psycho when someone approves me" [Medium,Fix committed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/44321 | 10:39 |
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| Toadstool | Adri2000: two more things to fix and it's good to go for me ;) | 10:46 |
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| Q-FUNK | howdy | 10:47 |
| Q-FUNK | I got around signing the CoC today. | 10:48 |
| Q-FUNK | validated on launchpad. | 10:48 |
| dholbach | good night everybody | 10:48 |
| dholbach | happy REVU day | 10:48 |
| Q-FUNK | I'm just wondering how to get my existing debian packages assigned to me on launchpad too? | 10:49 |
| lfittl | gn8 dholbach | 10:49 |
| Q-FUNK | n8 dholbach | 10:49 |
| dholbach | Q-FUNK: you can become bug contact for them | 10:49 |
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| Q-FUNK | dholbach: how? | 10:49 |
| dholbach | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/planner/+subscribe | 10:50 |
| Q-FUNK | dholbach: do I get upload on the same packages too? | 10:50 |
| dholbach | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/<sourcepackage>/+subscribe | 10:50 |
| dholbach | Q-FUNK: What do you mean by that? | 10:50 |
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| Q-FUNK | afaik ony planner is in main in ubuntu. the rest are in universe. do I get to upload my own packages myself for those? | 10:51 |
| Adri2000 | Toadstool: in progress (just a few minutes) | 10:52 |
| dholbach | Q-FUNK: No, not "just like that" - you have to go through the same process as any other uploader, though as somebody who knows his way around in packaging, you have a shorter way. | 10:52 |
| dholbach | Q-FUNK: you can get packages sponsored though | 10:52 |
| Q-FUNK | ok | 10:54 |
| dholbach | (until you're an Ubuntu member (in the CC meeting), became ubuntu-dev member (universe+multiverse) (TB meeting) and ubuntu-core-dev member (for main+restricted) (TB meeting again)) | 10:54 |
| bddebian | Later dholbach | 10:54 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: There is nothing my dumb ass could tell you :-) | 10:54 |
| Q-FUNK | is there a checklist for those steps that I can follow? | 10:54 |
| dholbach | I thought you were in a CC meeting already? | 10:55 |
| dholbach | s/were/had been | 10:55 |
| dholbach | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | 10:55 |
| Toadstool | Q-FUNK: http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes and a few wiki pages too | 10:55 |
| Q-FUNK | ages ago, but ... was it mako or jdub that kept on saying that something was missing on my wiki, without precising what. | 10:55 |
| dholbach | sorry, that's not the right page - i wanted to put it into the browser | 10:55 |
| Toadstool | :) | 10:56 |
| dholbach | Q-FUNK: the most important part is having worked in teams in ubuntu and have people who can back you up in the meeting | 10:56 |
| dholbach | that makes it easy to get a seamless ok | 10:56 |
| Adri2000 | Toadstool: uploaded | 10:57 |
| === Nafallo thought dholbach where heading to bed ;-) | ||
| dholbach | Nafallo: I thought that too | 10:57 |
| Toadstool | Adri2000: ok, i'll have a look in a few minutes | 10:57 |
| Nafallo | :-) | 10:57 |
| Q-FUNK | dholbach: ok | 10:57 |
| Nafallo | hmm | 10:58 |
| Nafallo | merges.ubuntu.com/e/ doesn't have either ejabberd nor erlang | 10:58 |
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| Toadstool | Adri2000: advocated | 11:02 |
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| Adri2000 | thank you Toadstool :) | 11:03 |
| lionelp | bddebian: would you have time to review rrdweather (http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3179) ? | 11:03 |
| Nafallo | damn! erlang-nox must be stuck in new :-/ | 11:03 |
| Q-FUNK | ok. subscribed myself to the pts for all my packages. | 11:04 |
| Q-FUNK | how do I get myself assigned to them? | 11:04 |
| bddebian | lionelp: Not currently but I will as soon as I get home. Ok? | 11:04 |
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| lionelp | bddebian: sure | 11:05 |
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| ajmitch | bddebian: I don't care | 11:06 |
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| bddebian | ajmitch: About what? | 11:12 |
| ajmitch | about whether you think you're good enough to review | 11:12 |
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| ajmitch | you want me to upload this package as-is? :) | 11:12 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: Of course, I trust you implicitly :-) | 11:14 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: I'll take a look when I get home. | 11:15 |
| bddebian | Later gang | 11:15 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: it's cdbs, nice & simple :) | 11:15 |
| bddebian | Sweet :-) | 11:16 |
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| lophyte | there we go. | 11:26 |
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| LaserJock | hmm, anybody have cool techniques for installing a file with different permissions? | 11:37 |
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| micahcowan | LaserJock, not sure what you mean by that. | 11:38 |
| micahcowan | The install command lets you specify permissions... :? | 11:38 |
| LaserJock | well, I need to install some files with a non-644 permission | 11:39 |
| micahcowan | Such as, a 600 permission? ...oh, you mean, they're part of a package, but you want the permissions to be different? | 11:40 |
| LaserJock | I could exclude them from dh_fixperms but then they aren't installed as root, etc. | 11:40 |
| LaserJock | yeah, I want to install them 640 | 11:40 |
| micahcowan | It's a package you have control over? | 11:40 |
| LaserJock | yeah, I'm upstream :-) | 11:40 |
| Riddell | anyone know how to use a gpg agent with debuild so I don't have to type my password every time? | 11:41 |
| LaserJock | that'd be nice, I don't know how to do it though | 11:41 |
| LaserJock | I have a hard enough time figuring out how to get do it with ssh | 11:42 |
| Nafallo | Riddell: apt-get install seahorse in GNOME ;-) | 11:42 |
| Riddell | signing 65 language packs is a bit tedious | 11:42 |
| Riddell | Nafallo: how do I tell debuild to use that? | 11:42 |
| Nafallo | Riddell: doesn't need to, seahorse does all the dirty work :-) | 11:43 |
| Nafallo | slomo might know more since he actually maintains the application here in Ubuntu-land :-) | 11:43 |
| slomo | yes? | 11:44 |
| lfittl | gn8 everybody | 11:45 |
| Nafallo | slomo: Riddell wants to knwo what magic seahorse does I think :-) | 11:45 |
| Nafallo | s/wo/ow/ | 11:45 |
| slomo | rewriting gpg.conf and setting the gpg-agent in there | 11:46 |
| micahcowan | LaserJock, dunno... would it be awful to use chmod after dh_install/dh_fixperms is done? | 11:46 |
| LaserJock | micahcowan: yes, Kamion already rejected it ;-) | 11:46 |
| micahcowan | Did Kamion suggest an alternate course of action? :) | 11:47 |
| micahcowan | (apparently not) | 11:47 |
| LaserJock | sorta | 11:47 |
| Riddell | slomo: any howtos? | 11:47 |
| Riddell | slomo: I'm running seahorse but I don't see how to use it with debuild | 11:47 |
| slomo | Riddell: apt-get install seahorse and then add seahorse-daemon to your session ;) | 11:47 |
| slomo | and then debuild or better debsign will use it | 11:47 |
| slomo | well, everything calling gpg in one way or another will use it then | 11:48 |
| Riddell | hmm, seems to keep needing the password | 11:49 |
| Riddell | even if I untick the "always ask" box | 11:49 |
| micahcowan | LaserJock, the non-debian makefile does the "right thing", probably via install, right? | 11:49 |
| slomo | Riddell: it will ask for the password once | 11:50 |
| slomo | and then caches it for the amount of time you told it | 11:50 |
| micahcowan | What'd you mean by saying it wouldn't be installed as root if you exclude it from dh_fixperms? Isn't /everything/ installed as root? | 11:50 |
| Riddell | yes, it doesn't need the password, but it does need me to agree on the dialogue | 11:50 |
| slomo | hmm, doesn't for me | 11:51 |
| slomo | weird | 11:51 |
| LaserJock | micahcowan: dh_fixperms does that | 11:51 |
| Riddell | this is over ssh -X but there shouldn't be a difference I'd have thought | 11:51 |
| LaserJock | micahcowan: and this isn't a program exactly, so no Makefile | 11:51 |
| slomo | Riddell: shouldn't... no... maybe restart seahorse-daemon after unchecking the checkbox | 11:52 |
| Riddell | and debuild just gives me "gpg: problem with the agent - disabling agent use" | 11:52 |
| slomo | hehe | 11:52 |
| slomo | probably doesn't work with ssh -X then | 11:52 |
| slomo | i always disabled it over ssh | 11:52 |
| micahcowan | LaserJock, could it go in the postinst? | 11:57 |
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| LaserJock | micahcowan: well, initially I did a chmod in postinst, but that is what Kampion didn't like | 11:58 |
| micahcowan | And, what was the "sorta" solution? | 11:59 |
| LaserJock | one was to use dpkg-statoverride | 11:59 |
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| micahcowan | isn't that for /users/, not /builders/? | 12:00 |
| micahcowan | oh, you mean after you build your own .deb? That's awful, IMO | 12:00 |
| micahcowan | debuild should create exactly what is needed, at all times, imo. | 12:01 |
| LaserJock | no, I think the idea would be to run dpkg-statoverride in postinst or something like that | 12:02 |
| micahcowan | Still, I hate that idea. | 12:03 |
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| micahcowan | That seems a lot more broken than chmod. Though, I could see if someone said the chmod should go in the rules file... | 12:03 |
| micahcowan | (not that I've done much in the way of creating packages, but still...) | 12:03 |
| LaserJock | well, I could do chmod in rules | 12:05 |
| LaserJock | but dh_fixperms will override it | 12:05 |
| micahcowan | Would that be objected to? | 12:05 |
| micahcowan | not if you place it after dh_fixperms? | 12:05 |
| LaserJock | dh_fixperms is very late in the package building process | 12:05 |
| LaserJock | I suppose | 12:06 |
| LaserJock | I wonder if that would be ok | 12:06 |
| micahcowan | gnome-games has a chmod in a post-install target, in rules, right after dh_python. | 12:08 |
| Fujitsu | Anybody have an idea what's with bug #54188? It was uploaded 4 days ago, but never appeared. | 12:09 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 54188 in 915resolution "auto configuration doesn't work anymore" [Untriaged,Fix released] http://launchpad.net/bugs/54188 | 12:09 |
| LaserJock | micahcowan: ok, cool. I'll check it out | 12:09 |
| Fujitsu | I was just doing myself, was looking for who did the sync, and found this already-`fixed' bug about it. | 12:09 |
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