[12:13] eddyp: the most recent one is what's on revu.tauware.de [12:14] but make sure to refresh your browser [12:14] LaserJock: which one? [12:14] which one what? [12:14] the one at the top? [12:15] LaserJock: I have given an example link [12:15] revu only shows you the latest one on the main page [12:15] LaserJock: but how do you determine which is the "main page"? [12:16] eddyp: the details.py has links to all uploads regarding that particular sourcepackage [12:17] eddyp: the main page is revu.tauware.de [12:17] siretart: hi [12:17] yeah, but make sure to refresh you browser [12:18] siretart: is the page in question (glest-data) updated so that the top links are the most recent ones? [12:22] eddyp: look at the dates [12:22] eddyp: not quite, you need to select the most high upload id (upid). all uploads are linked from that page [12:22] eddyp: in this case, the most recent upload of glest-data was 2869 [12:22] read: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2869 [12:23] newest is last on the page [12:23] this is really counter intuitive [12:23] yes, the main page shows only the most recent one. right [12:23] please define "main page" [12:23] eddyp: yes, a bit. this was done this way so a reviewer can easily switch to every upload [12:24] mainpage is http://revu.tauware.de/index.py [12:24] aka 'upload index' [12:26] ok, I see [12:26] a search box wouldn't be bad [12:27] siretart: BTW, I managed to make glest work [12:27] the clean rule works now, the package compiles [12:28] is a little nasty due to the retarded jam build system, but I managed to workaround it [12:28] that's why I am looking for the data package [12:28] :) === tortoise_ [n=tortoise@194.164.140.64] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:34] i get the following error RuntimeError: Installed debootstrap is older than in the previous version! (0.3.3.0ubuntu3~dapper1 < 0.3.3.0ubuntu3) trying to run ./update inside ubuntu-meta-1.24 directory any ideas [12:36] join #/ === DarkMageZ [n=darkmage@ppp2-104.lns1.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:41] hikenboot: do you have the backports repo enabled? [12:42] umm...no let me try that [12:42] well, you don't want it [12:42] but that ~dapper1 version is from -backports [12:42] so it's getting it from somewhere [12:44] removing my version of debootstrap and reinstalling without that repo enabled === ajmitch gets hating on exim4 [12:55] LaserJock, now i am getting a new error ./update: line 2: exec: germinate-update-metapackage: not found [12:55] any ideaas [12:55] do you have germinate installed? [12:55] yes [12:56] maybe its looking for a source package? [12:56] you have /usr/bin/germinate-update-metapackage ? [12:56] no [12:57] says germinate is the newest version === nictuku [n=yves@ubuntu/member/nictuku] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:58] from dapper or edgy? [01:03] I assume its daper because thats whats enabled [01:03] in apt === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:04] Heya gang [01:05] hi [01:08] I just did apt-get remove germinate....apt-get install germinate...still no germinate-update-metapackage in /usr/bin [01:10] is /usr/bin/germinate-update-metapackage a link to /usr/bin/germinate? [01:11] I don't think so [01:15] Heya LaserJock [01:19] btw, I just updated the MOTU Science lists [01:19] LaserJock: you're in the science team ? [01:20] Adri2000: He is the master of it :-) [01:20] LaserJock: And what makes you think I care?? ;-P [01:20] bddebian: just leatting you know ;-) [01:20] :0) [01:20] letting, rather === eddyp [n=eddy@86.123.24.228] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [01:21] LaserJock: is there something planned for bug 35922 ? [01:21] Malone bug 35922 in gnome-chemistry-utils "Package outdated, please update to 0.6.0/0.7.0" [Medium,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/35922 [01:21] hikenboot: germinate-update-metapackage was only added in edgy [01:21] i wanted to package that needs a newer version of gcu [01:21] well, as soon as there is a 0.6 or 0.7 package then we can include it [01:21] +a software === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:22] ok, just needing someone to make the package [01:22] pretty much [01:23] we have 0.4 something and it it isn't even in Debian === bddebian started to do it but it needs some other packages [01:24] erf :/ [01:24] Something chem-data or something [01:25] ok so what does someone do thats building it on a system with 6.0.6LTS? [01:26] bddebian: doesn't seem to be a chem data package in dapper, maybe in edgy ? or isn't it yet packaged ? [01:26] Adri2000: Not yet packaged [01:26] ok [01:27] oh wait [01:27] apparently it's going to be in Debian soon [01:28] sweet [01:28] check out the News on http://debian.wgdd.de/ [01:28] Suuuure [01:28] Someone said that about bkchem too ;-) [01:29] eh cool [01:29] well, if it's in debichem [01:29] and gchempaint was the soft i wanted to package :p [01:29] that's good news [01:29] ah [01:29] cool [01:29] are you a chemist? [01:30] no ^^ [01:31] ok, just wondered [01:32] at school i study chemistry/physics but it's not the main subject === lakin [n=lakin@S01060013101832ce.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:35] Adri2000: I'm doing mmy PhD in Physical Chemistry [01:37] Adri2000: BTW, which list, the bug list or the packages list? [01:38] bddebian: was that to me? [01:38] LaserJock: wow, that's not the same level as me :p [01:38] LaserJock: Aye, sorry [01:38] bddebian: package list [01:39] Please tell me maxima isn't on it ;-) [01:39] heh [01:39] no, it isn't [01:40] but I sort of wish it was [01:40] because maybe a fix would be in there [01:41] Egads 117 freakin' packages :-( [01:42] well, don't worry too much about it [01:42] that's normal [01:42] we just need to look at high priority items [01:42] and merges/syncs [01:43] What determines your priority? :-) [01:43] if I like the package or not [01:43] just kidding [01:43] hehe [01:44] I try to look at the debian changelogs [01:44] to see if they are fixing bugs or just a minor version bump, etc/ [01:45] so I was working on a list [01:45] but I don't know that we'll get all that far [01:45] python-scipy and python-numpy should get done [01:45] Yes maaster.. :-) [01:46] I also found quite a number of NEW and non-free->free packages that aren't in Ubuntu [01:46] hehe [01:47] ok so I've been trying to package gaim-latex. However, I came across a debian mailing list that discussed some security vulnerabilities. Is anyone familiar enough with this to discuss it with me? [01:48] heh, that kinda sounds like a "no" === bddebian is clueless about everything :'-( [01:49] jrib: you are looking for people familiar with gaim-latex or security in general? [01:49] yeah, well basically the plugin lets you send text of the form $$ fancy latex in here $$, and if the recipient has the plugin, the recipient's computer will execute the latex stuff [01:50] ah, so the problem being that somebody could put in malicious latex === LaserJock considers LaTeX in general to be a little malicious ;-) [01:51] yeah, exactly. That is the reason the debian maintainer decided not to package it [01:51] is there a way to have it just pop up something so it isn't just automatic [01:52] like sending a file over IM/IRC === fowlduck [n=nate@68-190-90-101.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:53] That is one option, or you could do the transformation before you send it and just have gaim send an image instead. [01:54] But as it stands, despite the fact the plugin does blacklist some commands, should I not package it in its current state? [01:55] hmm, I'm not really sure what to say [01:56] but pitti is Ubuntu's security guy so you might ask him [01:57] LaserJock: ok, thanks [01:57] jrib: I mean, latex seems fairly harmless by itself [01:57] I think Yagisan and ajmitch have decent security backgrounds as well? [01:58] but I know you can have embedded code and stuff in latex [01:58] yeah [01:59] Damn I can never figure out what to work/concentrate on.. There is soo freakin' much to do :-( [02:02] LaserJock: I had someone contact me about MOTU mentoring. How scary is that? :-) [02:02] cool [02:03] I think you make a great motu mentor [02:03] Hah, but thanks === welshbyte seconds that ;) [02:07] Heya welshbyte, what's been happening? Need some work? ;-P [02:07] Gah, gotta get the kids in the bath, bbiab [02:09] bddebian: ello... too much has been happening, haven't had any time to do ubuntu-y stuff lately... i almost forgot how much happens in septembers :/ what needs doing? === LaserJock resists the urge to yell out "Maxima" :-) [02:13] LaserJock: don't you dare :) that package is just a time sink for me [02:14] Hahaha. === geser [n=michael@dialin104181.justdsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:16] anyway I'm just a newbie and the maxima problem needs the wisdom of an elite MOTU guru, like bddebian :) [02:17] amen === awbassett [n=andrew@206.135.97.35] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [n=bob@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:22] evening [02:24] hi zul [02:24] how is it going LaserJock [02:27] oh, it's going [02:27] das is good [02:27] I'm trying to figure out where I've spread out all my files over 5 different computers [02:27] crimsun: Thanks. Was the changelog text the only thing you changed? :) [02:27] and trying to get them all in one [02:29] dont you use something like nfs? [02:30] nfs sucks with laptops [02:30] and travel [02:30] something like nfs not actualy nfs [02:30] webdav with zeroconf is rad [02:30] actually I just have files spread all over the place :-) [02:30] for quick file drag and drop in nautilus [02:31] I'm working on trying to figure out something smart to do [02:32] at one point I was thinking of using rsync [02:32] there is a howto of putting your home directory in rcs [02:33] well, I don't really need maybe that much [02:33] I've got a lot of data [02:33] but I work from a lot of different computers [02:36] if you want something easy i would go with rsync === reggaemanu [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-132-205.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:39] something like nfs wouldn't be bad [02:42] I've read a very little bit about unison === welshbyte [n=welshbyt@cpc3-cwma2-0-0-cust276.swan.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:42] which seems kinda cool === reggaemanu [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-132-205.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:47] ok, this might be a really dumb question [02:47] but is lenovo a company or a product line? [02:47] company [02:48] ok [02:48] cause I was looking for thinkpads [02:49] IBM sold thinkpad to lenovo [02:49] oh [02:49] how interesting [02:49] ah, now I think I remember something about that in the news [02:50] yeah they did that a while back === johnmorr [n=jwm@boost.horde.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [02:50] imb will be dropped from all product names soon iirc, its just goign to be lenovo [02:50] hi zul [02:50] hey ajmitch how goes it [02:50] good :) [02:50] goodie gum drops [02:58] bah, it's not like I'm going to be able to buy a new laptop for some time === LaserJock is drooling over sabdfl's laptop [02:59] LaserJock: ditto with kid on the way [02:59] Anyone know if we are supposed to be including .la files still or not? I thought I had heard that we are not any longer [02:59] I really don't know bddebian [03:00] well, I've already got a laptop (Toshiba) but it is *supposed* to be the wife's === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:01] Heya slomo === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-motu === kinema [n=adam@c-71-236-182-199.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:41] hi Hobbsee [03:42] hey ajmitch [03:43] Heya Hobbsee [03:43] Hi ajmitch [03:43] hi [03:43] hey bddebian [03:44] hey ajmitch, Hobbsee [03:44] hey welshbyte === welshbyte pokes bddebian [03:49] welshbyte: Yo [03:50] bddebian: weren't you asking if i needed work to do earlier? :) [03:50] welshbyte: Yea, fixed maxima yet? ;-P === welshbyte cries [03:51] :-) === Seveaz [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:51] there's nothing wrong with maxima, it's all GCL's fault ;) === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:51] welshbyte: Oh, did you ever get anywhere with azureus? [03:52] that's another humungous job that's over my head [03:52] i think [03:54] Oh, hmm [03:54] there's another angle i want to come at that problem from (building it with the older libraries provided by the current edgy version of eclipse), but it'll have to wait til i have more time [03:55] unless someone else wants to try ;) === reggaemanu [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-132-205.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === JanC [n=janc@lugwv/member/JanC] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:05] welshbyte: Nah, I'm too stupid :-) === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === janm [n=jmalonzo@ppp4592.dsl.pacific.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:31] hm way past bedtime, g'night guys [04:31] TheMuso: yes, but keep an eye out for the remaining .so in the lib [04:34] crimsun: ? [04:35] crimsun: BTW, I don't even hold a freakin' candle to you === zul [n=bob@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === glick [n=myob@69-169-117-51.lmdaca.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:38] hello [04:39] how can i request a package? [04:39] by that i mean a package that im responsible for? [04:41] glick: package it, stick it on REVU, and ask people to review it? [04:42] oh === yusufm [n=yusufm@c-24-7-119-114.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === yusufm [n=yusufm@c-24-7-119-114.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:08] Hello yusufm [05:13] Hi [05:13] bddebian: I was just replying to your email [05:15] well that royally sucked [05:16] I tried to run ghemical and the display was all weirded out [05:16] and then it totally froze my machine with a black screen [05:16] re [05:17] yusufm: Great :-) [05:17] LaserJock: The latest one? === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:17] Heya Toadstool [05:17] bddebian: latest what? [05:17] this is on dapper [05:18] LaserJock: Oh [05:18] hey bddebian [05:18] LaserJock: you obviously need to upgrade to the latest & best edgy [05:19] Heh [05:21] yusufm: Are you reading the Debian New Maintainers Guide or the Ubuntu packaging guide? [05:24] Yes, they alistre on my [05:24] bddebian: Sorry, synaptics bug :) They are on my list [05:25] ajmitch: well, yeah, I have 1 machine running edgy [05:25] but you'd think stuff would sorta work on dapper once in a while ;-) [05:25] heh [05:25] hah [05:25] haha [05:26] :) [05:27] uhuh, my renter needs his computer :( [05:27] cya === lotusleaf [n=lotuslea@unaffiliated/lotusleaf] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:28] yusufm: Great [05:50] hmm, I wonder if it's because I have an ATI card [05:50] when in doubt, blame it on ATI ;-) [05:52] LaserJock: ATI cards make great wish bones [05:52] heh [05:52] just find a friend, grab an end, and the one holding the largest piece of the ATI card wins [05:53] well, this is an integrated thingy on my laptop [05:53] the loser gets to buy the new nvidia card [05:53] I kinda need to keep it I think [05:56] I've got another computer with an nvidia card so perhaps I'll try on that [06:03] yo [06:05] hiya chillywilly [06:06] Heya chillywilly [06:07] Packers got spanked and it wasn't nice because my mom had taken scotty to the game...they suck this year === bddebian gives up on the Eagles [06:16] hmm, did the Mannings go at it yet? === LaserJock is too busy to watch football anymore :/ [06:17] LaserJock: Last week I think [06:19] who won? [06:21] Dunno :-) === mayday_jay [n=mayday_j@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:24] bddebian: lotta help you are :p [06:24] I keep telling you people that I'm useless :-) [06:28] LaserJock: Colts beat the Giants [06:32] bddebian: ah, not so useless after all :-) [06:37] who is William Grant? [06:38] Burgundavia: Fujitsu [06:38] Fujitsu: ping [06:38] Pong. [06:39] damn, that was fast [06:39] hehe [06:39] Am I guilty of something? [06:39] geda, did you do all of it? [06:39] it's a nice AU timezone [06:39] Fujitsu: probably. [06:39] Burgundavia, yes. [06:39] should I blame/credit you for it in the UWN? [06:39] Fujitsu: yes [06:39] Burgundavia, if you want to. [06:39] I would love to [06:39] Ooh :) [06:39] in case any of you slackers miss the UWN, I always credit the people who did the work === Hobbsee is a slacker [06:40] gets away from the whole "code is impersonal stuff" === Hobbsee does nothing :P [06:40] Hobbsee: hahaha [06:40] Hobbsee: you sound like someone we know.. [06:40] Hobbsee: I command thee to sign up, right smart [06:40] ajmitch: what, bddebian? true that [06:40] perhaps i'll swap roles with bddebian [06:40] Burgundavia: hehe [06:40] please no === ajmitch should probably do some work on ubuntu tonight [06:41] and as I see all subscribes and unsubs, I will know if any of you slackers haven't signed up [06:41] Burgundavia, last time somebody asked who `William Grant' was, it was Mithrandir accusing me of something bad... That was scary >_< [06:41] and I *will* chase you down [06:41] Fujitsu: Mithrandir doing that is better than keybuk doing the same :P [06:41] ;) === Hobbsee hides from Burgundavia [06:42] Hobbsee, probably... But that was SCARY! [06:42] Burgundavia: subscribe to what? [06:42] hehe [06:42] Fujitsu: don't worry, I'm still waiting for people to report massive libgphoto2 breakage to me with pitchforks & torches [06:42] Hobbsee: there isn't place within Ubuntu I can't find you [06:42] the ubuntu-news mailing list [06:42] Fujitsu: Mithrandir doesnt seem that scary [06:42] Burgundavia: i think you'd be fairly safe while looking at all the xfce stuff. [06:43] Hobbsee, he is! [06:43] Fujitsu: you have never met the man [06:43] Burgundavia: neither have i [06:43] Of course not. [06:44] Tollef? [06:44] LaserJock: yes.. [06:44] Fujitsu: is there a reason why geda has 9 different source packages? [06:45] Burgundavia, who knows... Probably not. [06:45] he seems pretty low key, kinda like mdz [06:46] keybuk is the only truly excitable one [06:46] But he accused me of making a nasty mistake. Being accused by Hobbsee is one thing, but by an ultimate-person like Mithrandir is another entirely. [06:46] Burgundavia, ? [06:46] but that is mostly bouncy energy [06:47] Fujitsu: heh. i thought i was big and scary too! === Hobbsee makes a note to become more big and scary than Mithrandir === Fujitsu runs. === BigScaryHobbsee attacks Fujitsu with her long and pointy stick! [06:48] But it's not release-manager Hobbsee, so not too scary. [06:48] Fujitsu: yeah well.... [06:48] Burgundavia: yeah, iwj is a little frightening to me, but he's cool too [06:48] Fujitsu: I see that upstream uses different tarballs and release dates [06:48] LaserJock: iwj is just odd [06:48] iwj has to be crazy, to deal with firefox, etc [06:49] no, he is paid to do that [06:49] and write dpkg ;-) [06:49] Burgundavia: that doesnt change it. [06:49] OK I haven't been paying attention. Am I getting dissed? [06:49] no [06:49] you don't diss deities. [06:49] you know, canonical now has 3 dpkg and 1 smart developer on staff [06:49] crimsun, certainly. [06:49] and 2 former dpls [06:50] DPLs? [06:50] debian project leaders [06:50] debian project leader. Both benc and iwj used to lead debian [06:50] Ah. [06:50] Nice. [06:50] Burgundavia: don't forget apt [06:50] I think that's once of Mark's major successes [06:50] s/once/one/ [06:50] part of the reason why some debian people have issues with Ubuntu is how completely Mark cherrypicked the best and the brightest [06:51] which was their choice, of course [06:51] yes, but still [06:52] Mark > Jesus [06:52] if you look on their mailing lists, mdz, keybuk, mjg59 (who doesn't yet work for them), etc. [06:52] they were all extremely active and are not now === Fujitsu runs quickly from the debate which will now ensue. [06:52] OK, I am taking my old useless ass to bed. Gnight folks [06:53] cya bddebian [06:53] Bye, bddebian :) [06:53] bddebian: bye! [06:53] the way I see it, no one really has issues with Ubuntu, they only have issues with their perception of Ubuntu [06:54] well.. [06:55] if I had spent years working on a few specific packages in Debian [06:55] and then had a bunch of crazy MOTUs running around doing who know's what to them [06:55] I'd get a little nervous ;-) [06:55] LaserJock: and they'd still carry your name, of course [06:56] yes :/ [06:56] and you'd be getting bugreports/flames for stuff that you didn't do [06:56] Hm. [06:56] and wondering why only hear from them when they've broken something [06:56] s/why/why I/ [06:56] no prob, upstream devs get that, too. [06:56] of course [06:57] "why does this debian package not work?!" [06:57] crimsun: which is why debian developers are encouraged to have some contact with upstream [06:57] but I can understand where they are coming from, that's what I'm saying [06:57] for good reason === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:57] eg for some of the packages I maintain in debian, I've known upstream for awhile [06:57] including staying at their place, etc :) [06:58] and I can see that if I'd been working on Debian for some time and this derivative takes of like wild fire === mwolson [n=mwolson@jpi-wlafyte-213-192.dmisinetworks.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:58] I'd tend to want to think a little "yeah, but it's really just Debian" [06:59] especially when some of those motus are pretty slack at getting those fixes back to debian [06:59] and the DD only finds out a few months later [06:59] Hence the DCT. [06:59] which for all the nice things I hear about it, still needs people to do the work [06:59] hence teaching MOTUs how to play nice :-) [06:59] like anything [07:00] I honestly don't see how DCT is going to work [07:01] it'll only work if people can put in effort for a thankless task again [07:01] yep [07:01] on top of their normal MOTU load [07:02] currently I'm mainly doing ubuntu stuff on things I maintain in debian anyway [07:02] so it's not so much of a hassle with me [07:02] except that I get to deal with upstream devs more :) [07:03] I try to at least somewhat keep track of 400+ packages [07:03] you're brave [07:03] there's really no way I can know each of the corresponding Debian maintainers well [07:04] true [07:04] or they packages [07:04] How many are there with Ubuntu changes at the moment? [07:04]