[12:13] <LaserJock> eddyp: the most recent one is what's on revu.tauware.de
[12:14] <LaserJock> but make sure to refresh your browser
[12:14] <eddyp> LaserJock: which one?
[12:14] <LaserJock> which one what?
[12:14] <eddyp> the one at the top?
[12:15] <eddyp> LaserJock: I have given an example link
[12:15] <LaserJock> revu only shows you the latest one on the main page
[12:15] <eddyp> LaserJock: but how do you determine which is the "main page"?
[12:16] <siretart> eddyp: the details.py has links to all uploads regarding that particular sourcepackage
[12:17] <LaserJock> eddyp: the main page is revu.tauware.de
[12:17] <eddyp> siretart: hi
[12:17] <LaserJock> yeah, but make sure to refresh you browser
[12:18] <eddyp> siretart: is the page in question (glest-data) updated so that the top links are the most recent ones?
[12:22] <LaserJock> eddyp: look at the dates
[12:22] <siretart> eddyp: not quite, you need to select the most high upload id (upid). all uploads are linked from that page
[12:22] <siretart> eddyp: in this case, the most recent upload of glest-data was 2869
[12:22] <siretart> read: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2869
[12:23] <LaserJock> newest is last on the page
[12:23] <eddyp> this is really counter intuitive
[12:23] <siretart> yes, the main page shows only the most recent one. right
[12:23] <eddyp> please define "main page"
[12:23] <siretart> eddyp: yes, a bit. this was done this way so a reviewer can easily switch to every upload
[12:24] <siretart> mainpage is http://revu.tauware.de/index.py
[12:24] <siretart> aka 'upload index'
[12:26] <eddyp> ok, I see
[12:26] <eddyp> a search box wouldn't be bad
[12:27] <eddyp> siretart: BTW, I managed to make glest work
[12:27] <eddyp> the clean rule works now, the package compiles
[12:28] <eddyp> is a little nasty due to the retarded jam build system, but I managed to workaround it
[12:28] <eddyp> that's why I am looking for the data package
[12:28] <eddyp> :)
[12:34] <hikenboot> i get the following error RuntimeError: Installed debootstrap is older than in the previous version! (0.3.3.0ubuntu3~dapper1 < 0.3.3.0ubuntu3)       trying to run ./update inside ubuntu-meta-1.24 directory any ideas
[12:36] <hikenboot> join #/
[12:41] <LaserJock> hikenboot: do you have the backports repo enabled?
[12:42] <hikenboot> umm...no let me try that
[12:42] <LaserJock> well, you don't want it
[12:42] <LaserJock> but that ~dapper1 version is from -backports
[12:42] <LaserJock> so it's getting it from somewhere
[12:44] <hikenboot> removing my version of debootstrap and reinstalling without that repo enabled
[12:55] <hikenboot> LaserJock, now i am getting a new error ./update: line 2: exec: germinate-update-metapackage: not found
[12:55] <hikenboot> any ideaas
[12:55] <LaserJock> do you have germinate installed?
[12:55] <hikenboot> yes
[12:56] <hikenboot> maybe its looking for a source package?
[12:56] <ajmitch> you have /usr/bin/germinate-update-metapackage ?
[12:56] <hikenboot> no
[12:57] <hikenboot> says germinate is the newest version
[12:58] <ajmitch> from dapper or edgy?
[01:03] <hikenboot> I assume its daper because thats whats enabled
[01:03] <hikenboot> in apt
[01:04] <bddebian> Heya gang
[01:05] <LaserJock> hi
[01:08] <hikenboot> I just did apt-get remove germinate....apt-get install germinate...still no germinate-update-metapackage in /usr/bin
[01:10] <hikenboot> is /usr/bin/germinate-update-metapackage a link to /usr/bin/germinate?
[01:11] <LaserJock> I don't think so
[01:15] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[01:19] <LaserJock> btw, I just updated the MOTU Science lists
[01:19] <Adri2000> LaserJock: you're in the science team ?
[01:20] <bddebian> Adri2000: He is the master of it :-)
[01:20] <bddebian> LaserJock: And what makes you think I care?? ;-P
[01:20] <LaserJock> bddebian: just leatting you know ;-)
[01:20] <bddebian> :0)
[01:20] <LaserJock> letting, rather
[01:21] <Adri2000> LaserJock: is there something planned for bug 35922 ?
[01:21] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 35922 in gnome-chemistry-utils "Package outdated, please update to 0.6.0/0.7.0" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/35922
[01:21] <ajmitch> hikenboot: germinate-update-metapackage was only added in edgy
[01:21] <Adri2000> i wanted to package that needs a newer version of gcu
[01:21] <LaserJock> well, as soon as there is a 0.6 or 0.7 package then we can include it
[01:21] <Adri2000> +a software
[01:22] <Adri2000> ok, just needing someone to make the package
[01:22] <LaserJock> pretty much
[01:23] <LaserJock> we have 0.4 something and it it isn't even in Debian
[01:24] <Adri2000> erf :/
[01:24] <bddebian> Something chem-data or something
[01:25] <hikenboot> ok so what does someone do thats building it on a system with 6.0.6LTS?
[01:26] <Adri2000> bddebian: doesn't seem to be a chem data package in dapper, maybe in edgy ? or isn't it yet packaged ?
[01:26] <bddebian> Adri2000: Not yet packaged
[01:26] <Adri2000> ok
[01:27] <LaserJock> oh wait
[01:27] <LaserJock> apparently it's going to be in Debian soon
[01:28] <LaserJock> sweet
[01:28] <LaserJock> check out the News on http://debian.wgdd.de/
[01:28] <bddebian> Suuuure
[01:28] <bddebian> Someone said that about bkchem too ;-)
[01:29] <Adri2000> eh cool
[01:29] <LaserJock> well, if it's in debichem
[01:29] <Adri2000> and gchempaint was the soft i wanted to package :p
[01:29] <LaserJock> that's good news
[01:29] <LaserJock> ah
[01:29] <LaserJock> cool
[01:29] <LaserJock> are you a chemist?
[01:30] <Adri2000> no ^^
[01:31] <LaserJock> ok, just wondered
[01:32] <Adri2000> at school i study chemistry/physics but it's not the main subject
[01:35] <LaserJock> Adri2000: I'm doing mmy PhD in Physical Chemistry
[01:37] <bddebian> Adri2000: BTW, which list, the bug list or the packages list?
[01:38] <LaserJock> bddebian: was that to me?
[01:38] <Adri2000> LaserJock: wow, that's not the same level as me :p
[01:38] <bddebian> LaserJock: Aye, sorry
[01:38] <LaserJock> bddebian: package list
[01:39] <bddebian> Please tell me maxima isn't on it ;-)
[01:39] <LaserJock> heh
[01:39] <LaserJock> no, it isn't
[01:40] <LaserJock> but I sort of wish it was
[01:40] <LaserJock> because maybe a fix would be in there
[01:41] <bddebian> Egads 117 freakin' packages :-(
[01:42] <LaserJock> well, don't worry too much about it
[01:42] <LaserJock> that's normal
[01:42] <LaserJock> we just need to look at high priority items
[01:42] <LaserJock> and merges/syncs
[01:43] <bddebian> What determines your priority? :-)
[01:43] <LaserJock> if I like the package or not
[01:43] <LaserJock> just kidding
[01:43] <bddebian> hehe
[01:44] <LaserJock> I try to look at the debian changelogs
[01:44] <LaserJock> to see if they are fixing bugs or just a minor version bump, etc/
[01:45] <LaserJock> so I was working on a list
[01:45] <LaserJock> but I don't know that we'll get all that far
[01:45] <LaserJock> python-scipy and python-numpy should get done
[01:45] <bddebian> Yes maaster.. :-)
[01:46] <LaserJock> I also found quite a number of NEW and non-free->free packages that aren't in Ubuntu
[01:46] <LaserJock> hehe
[01:47] <jrib> ok so I've been trying to package gaim-latex.  However, I came across a debian mailing list that discussed some security vulnerabilities.  Is anyone familiar enough with this to discuss it with me?
[01:48] <LaserJock> heh, that kinda sounds like a "no"
[01:49] <LaserJock> jrib: you are looking for people familiar with gaim-latex or security in general?
[01:49] <jrib> yeah, well basically the plugin lets you send text of the form $$ fancy latex in here $$, and if the recipient has the plugin, the recipient's computer will execute the latex stuff
[01:50] <LaserJock> ah, so the problem being that somebody could put in malicious latex
[01:51] <jrib> yeah, exactly.  That is the reason the debian maintainer decided not to package it
[01:51] <LaserJock> is there a way to have it just pop up something so it isn't just automatic
[01:52] <LaserJock> like sending a file over IM/IRC
[01:53] <jrib> That is one option, or you could do the transformation before you send it and just have gaim send an image instead.
[01:54] <jrib> But as it stands, despite the fact the plugin does blacklist some commands, should I not package it in its current state?
[01:55] <LaserJock> hmm, I'm not really sure what to say
[01:56] <LaserJock> but pitti is Ubuntu's security guy so you might ask him
[01:57] <jrib> LaserJock: ok, thanks
[01:57] <LaserJock> jrib: I mean, latex seems fairly harmless by itself
[01:57] <bddebian> I think Yagisan and ajmitch have decent security backgrounds as well?
[01:58] <LaserJock> but I know you can have embedded code and stuff in latex
[01:58] <LaserJock> yeah
[01:59] <bddebian> Damn I can never figure out what to work/concentrate on.. There is soo freakin' much to do :-(
[02:02] <bddebian> LaserJock: I had someone contact me about MOTU mentoring.  How scary is that? :-)
[02:02] <LaserJock> cool
[02:03] <LaserJock> I think you make a great motu mentor
[02:03] <bddebian> Hah, but thanks
[02:07] <bddebian> Heya welshbyte, what's been happening?  Need some work? ;-P
[02:07] <bddebian> Gah, gotta get the kids in the bath, bbiab
[02:09] <welshbyte> bddebian: ello... too much has been happening, haven't had any time to do ubuntu-y stuff lately... i almost forgot how much happens in septembers :/ what needs doing?
[02:13] <welshbyte> LaserJock: don't you dare :) that package is just a time sink for me
[02:14] <Fujitsu> Hahaha.
[02:16] <welshbyte> anyway I'm just a newbie and the maxima problem needs the wisdom of an elite MOTU guru, like bddebian :)
[02:17] <LaserJock> amen
[02:22] <zul> evening
[02:24] <LaserJock> hi zul
[02:24] <zul> how is it going LaserJock
[02:27] <LaserJock> oh, it's going
[02:27] <zul> das is good
[02:27] <LaserJock> I'm trying to figure out where I've spread out all my files over 5 different computers
[02:27] <TheMuso> crimsun: Thanks. Was the changelog text the only thing you changed? :)
[02:27] <LaserJock> and trying to get them all in one
[02:29] <zul> dont you use something like nfs?
[02:30] <tseng> nfs sucks with laptops
[02:30] <tseng> and travel
[02:30] <zul> something like nfs not actualy nfs
[02:30] <tseng> webdav with zeroconf is rad
[02:30] <LaserJock> actually I just have files spread all over the place :-)
[02:30] <tseng> for quick file drag and drop in nautilus
[02:31] <LaserJock> I'm working on trying to figure out something smart to do
[02:32] <LaserJock> at one point I was thinking of using rsync
[02:32] <zul> there is a howto of putting your home directory in rcs
[02:33] <LaserJock> well, I don't really need maybe that much
[02:33] <LaserJock> I've got a lot of data
[02:33] <LaserJock> but I work from a lot of different computers
[02:36] <zul> if you want something easy i would go with rsync
[02:39] <LaserJock> something like nfs wouldn't be bad
[02:42] <LaserJock> I've read a very little bit about unison
[02:42] <LaserJock> which seems kinda cool
[02:47] <LaserJock> ok, this might be a really dumb question
[02:47] <LaserJock> but is lenovo a company or a product line?
[02:47] <lifeless> company
[02:48] <LaserJock> ok
[02:48] <LaserJock> cause I was looking for thinkpads
[02:49] <lifeless> IBM sold thinkpad to lenovo
[02:49] <LaserJock> oh
[02:49] <LaserJock> how interesting
[02:49] <LaserJock> ah, now I think I remember something about that in the news
[02:50] <zul> yeah they did that a while back
[02:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> imb will be dropped from all product names soon iirc, its just goign to be lenovo
[02:50] <ajmitch> hi zul
[02:50] <zul> hey ajmitch how goes it
[02:50] <ajmitch> good :)
[02:50] <zul> goodie gum drops
[02:58] <LaserJock> bah, it's not like I'm going to be able to buy a new laptop for some time
[02:59] <zul> LaserJock: ditto with kid on the way
[02:59] <bddebian> Anyone know if we are supposed to be including .la files still or not?  I thought I had heard that we are not any longer
[02:59] <LaserJock> I really don't know bddebian
[03:00] <LaserJock> well, I've already got a laptop (Toshiba) but it is *supposed* to be the wife's
[03:01] <bddebian> Heya slomo
[03:41] <ajmitch> hi Hobbsee
[03:42] <Hobbsee> hey ajmitch
[03:43] <bddebian> Heya Hobbsee
[03:43] <bddebian> Hi ajmitch
[03:43] <ajmitch> hi
[03:43] <Hobbsee> hey bddebian
[03:44] <welshbyte> hey ajmitch, Hobbsee
[03:44] <Hobbsee> hey welshbyte
[03:49] <bddebian> welshbyte: Yo
[03:50] <welshbyte> bddebian: weren't you asking if i needed work to do earlier? :)
[03:50] <bddebian> welshbyte: Yea, fixed maxima yet? ;-P
[03:51] <bddebian> :-)
[03:51] <welshbyte> there's nothing wrong with maxima, it's all GCL's fault ;)
[03:51] <bddebian> welshbyte: Oh, did you ever get anywhere with azureus?
[03:52] <welshbyte> that's another humungous job that's over my head
[03:52] <welshbyte> i think
[03:54] <bddebian> Oh, hmm
[03:54] <welshbyte> there's another angle i want to come at that problem from (building it with the older libraries provided by the current edgy version of eclipse), but it'll have to wait til i have more time
[03:55] <welshbyte> unless someone else wants to try ;)
[04:05] <bddebian> welshbyte: Nah, I'm too stupid :-)
[04:31] <welshbyte> hm way past bedtime, g'night guys
[04:31] <crimsun> TheMuso: yes, but keep an eye out for the remaining .so in the lib
[04:34] <TheMuso> crimsun: ?
[04:35] <bddebian> crimsun: BTW, I don't even hold a freakin' candle to you
[04:38] <glick> hello
[04:39] <glick> how can i request a package?
[04:39] <glick> by that i mean a package that im responsible for?
[04:41] <Hobbsee> glick: package it, stick it on REVU, and ask people to review it?
[04:42] <glick> oh
[05:08] <bddebian> Hello yusufm
[05:13] <yusufm> Hi
[05:13] <yusufm> bddebian: I was just replying to your email
[05:15] <LaserJock> well that royally sucked
[05:16] <LaserJock> I tried to run ghemical and the display was all weirded out
[05:16] <LaserJock> and then it totally froze my machine with a black screen
[05:16] <Toadstool> re
[05:17] <bddebian> yusufm: Great :-)
[05:17] <bddebian> LaserJock: The latest one?
[05:17] <bddebian> Heya Toadstool
[05:17] <LaserJock> bddebian: latest what?
[05:17] <LaserJock> this is on dapper
[05:18] <bddebian> LaserJock: Oh
[05:18] <Toadstool> hey bddebian
[05:18] <ajmitch> LaserJock: you obviously need to upgrade to the latest & best edgy
[05:19] <bddebian> Heh
[05:21] <bddebian> yusufm: Are you reading the Debian New Maintainers Guide or the Ubuntu packaging guide?
[05:24] <yusufm> Yes, they alistre on my
[05:24] <yusufm> bddebian: Sorry, synaptics bug :)   They are on my list
[05:25] <LaserJock> ajmitch: well, yeah, I have 1 machine running edgy
[05:25] <LaserJock> but you'd think stuff would sorta work on dapper once in a while ;-)
[05:25] <bddebian> heh
[05:25] <ajmitch> hah
[05:25] <ajmitch> haha
[05:26] <Toadstool> :)
[05:27] <Toadstool> uhuh, my renter needs his computer :(
[05:27] <Toadstool> cya
[05:28] <bddebian> yusufm: Great
[05:50] <LaserJock> hmm, I wonder if it's because I have an ATI card
[05:50] <LaserJock> when in doubt, blame it on ATI ;-)
[05:52] <lotusleaf> LaserJock: ATI cards make great wish bones
[05:52] <bddebian> heh
[05:52] <lotusleaf> just find a friend, grab an end, and the one holding the largest piece of the ATI card wins
[05:53] <LaserJock> well, this is an integrated thingy on my laptop
[05:53] <lotusleaf> the loser gets to buy the new nvidia card
[05:53] <LaserJock> I kinda need to keep it I think
[05:56] <LaserJock> I've got another computer with an nvidia card so perhaps I'll try on that
[06:03] <chillywilly> yo
[06:05] <LaserJock> hiya chillywilly
[06:06] <bddebian> Heya chillywilly
[06:07] <chillywilly> Packers got spanked and it wasn't nice because my mom had taken scotty to the game...they suck this year
[06:16] <LaserJock> hmm, did the Mannings go at it yet?
[06:17] <bddebian> LaserJock: Last week I think
[06:19] <LaserJock> who won?
[06:21] <bddebian> Dunno :-)
[06:24] <LaserJock> bddebian: lotta help you are :p
[06:24] <bddebian> I keep telling you people that I'm useless :-)
[06:28] <bddebian> LaserJock: Colts beat the Giants
[06:32] <LaserJock> bddebian: ah, not so useless after all :-)
[06:37] <Burgundavia> who is William Grant?
[06:38] <Hobbsee> Burgundavia: Fujitsu
[06:38] <Burgundavia> Fujitsu: ping
[06:38] <Fujitsu> Pong.
[06:39] <Burgundavia> damn, that was fast
[06:39] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:39] <Fujitsu> Am I guilty of something?
[06:39] <Burgundavia> geda, did you do all of it?
[06:39] <Hobbsee> it's a nice AU timezone
[06:39] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: probably.
[06:39] <Fujitsu> Burgundavia, yes.
[06:39] <Burgundavia> should I blame/credit you for it in the UWN?
[06:39] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: yes
[06:39] <Fujitsu> Burgundavia, if you want to.
[06:39] <Burgundavia> I would love to
[06:39] <Fujitsu> Ooh :)
[06:39] <Burgundavia> in case any of you slackers miss the UWN, I always credit the people who did the work
[06:40] <Burgundavia> gets away from the whole "code is impersonal stuff"
[06:40] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: hahaha
[06:40] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: you sound like someone we know..
[06:40] <Burgundavia> Hobbsee: I command thee to sign up, right smart
[06:40] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: what, bddebian?  true that
[06:40] <Hobbsee> perhaps i'll swap roles with bddebian
[06:40] <Hobbsee> Burgundavia: hehe
[06:40] <ajmitch> please no
[06:41] <Burgundavia> and as I see all subscribes and unsubs, I will know if any of you slackers haven't signed up
[06:41] <Fujitsu> Burgundavia, last time somebody asked who `William Grant' was, it was Mithrandir accusing me of something bad... That was scary >_<
[06:41] <Burgundavia> and I *will* chase you down
[06:41] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: Mithrandir doing that is better than keybuk doing the same :P
[06:41] <Burgundavia> ;)
[06:42] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, probably... But that was SCARY!
[06:42] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: subscribe to what?
[06:42] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:42] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: don't worry, I'm still waiting for people to report massive libgphoto2 breakage to me with pitchforks & torches
[06:42] <Burgundavia> Hobbsee: there isn't place within Ubuntu I can't find you
[06:42] <Burgundavia> the ubuntu-news mailing list
[06:42] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: Mithrandir doesnt seem that scary
[06:42] <Hobbsee> Burgundavia: i think you'd be fairly safe while looking at all the xfce stuff.
[06:43] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, he is!
[06:43] <Burgundavia> Fujitsu:  you have never met the man
[06:43] <Hobbsee> Burgundavia: neither have i
[06:43] <Fujitsu> Of course not.
[06:44] <LaserJock> Tollef?
[06:44] <ajmitch> LaserJock: yes..
[06:44] <Burgundavia> Fujitsu: is there a reason why geda has 9 different source packages?
[06:45] <Fujitsu> Burgundavia, who knows... Probably not.
[06:45] <LaserJock> he seems pretty low key, kinda like mdz
[06:46] <Burgundavia> keybuk is the only truly excitable one
[06:46] <Fujitsu> But he accused me of making a nasty mistake. Being accused by Hobbsee is one thing, but by an ultimate-person like Mithrandir is another entirely.
[06:46] <Fujitsu> Burgundavia, ?
[06:46] <Burgundavia> but that is mostly bouncy energy
[06:47] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: heh.  i thought i was big and scary too!
[06:48] <Fujitsu> But it's not release-manager Hobbsee, so not too scary.
[06:48] <BigScaryHobbsee> Fujitsu: yeah well....
[06:48] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: yeah, iwj is a little frightening to me, but he's cool too
[06:48] <Burgundavia> Fujitsu: I see that upstream uses different tarballs and release dates
[06:48] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: iwj is just odd
[06:48] <BigScaryHobbsee> iwj has to be crazy, to deal with firefox, etc
[06:49] <Burgundavia> no, he is paid to do that
[06:49] <LaserJock> and write dpkg ;-)
[06:49] <BigScaryHobbsee> Burgundavia: that doesnt change it.
[06:49] <bddebian> OK I haven't been paying attention. Am I getting dissed?
[06:49] <LaserJock> no
[06:49] <crimsun> you don't diss deities.
[06:49] <Burgundavia> you know, canonical now has 3 dpkg and 1 smart developer on staff
[06:49] <Fujitsu> crimsun, certainly.
[06:49] <Burgundavia> and 2 former dpls
[06:50] <Fujitsu> DPLs?
[06:50] <ajmitch> debian project leaders
[06:50] <Burgundavia> debian project leader. Both benc and iwj used to lead debian
[06:50] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[06:50] <Fujitsu> Nice.
[06:50] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: don't forget apt
[06:50] <LaserJock> I think that's once of Mark's major successes
[06:50] <LaserJock> s/once/one/
[06:50] <Burgundavia> part of the reason why some debian people have issues with Ubuntu is how completely Mark cherrypicked the best and the brightest
[06:51] <BigScaryHobbsee> which was their choice, of course
[06:51] <Burgundavia> yes, but still
[06:52] <lotusleaf> Mark > Jesus
[06:52] <Burgundavia> if you look on their mailing lists, mdz, keybuk, mjg59 (who doesn't yet work for them), etc.
[06:52] <Burgundavia> they were all extremely active and are not now
[06:52] <bddebian> OK, I am taking my old useless ass to bed.  Gnight folks
[06:53] <LaserJock> cya bddebian
[06:53] <Fujitsu> Bye, bddebian :)
[06:53] <BigScaryHobbsee> bddebian: bye!
[06:53] <lotusleaf> the way I see it, no one really has issues with Ubuntu, they only have issues with their perception of Ubuntu
[06:54] <LaserJock> well..
[06:55] <LaserJock> if I had spent years working on a few specific packages in Debian
[06:55] <LaserJock> and then had a bunch of crazy MOTUs running around doing who know's what to them
[06:55] <LaserJock> I'd get a little nervous ;-)
[06:55] <ajmitch> LaserJock: and they'd still carry your name, of course
[06:56] <LaserJock> yes :/
[06:56] <ajmitch> and you'd be getting bugreports/flames for stuff that you didn't do
[06:56] <Fujitsu> Hm.
[06:56] <LaserJock> and wondering why only hear from them when they've broken something
[06:56] <LaserJock> s/why/why I/
[06:56] <crimsun> no prob, upstream devs get that, too.
[06:56] <LaserJock> of course
[06:57] <crimsun> "why does this debian package not work?!"
[06:57] <ajmitch> crimsun: which is why debian developers are encouraged to have some contact with upstream
[06:57] <LaserJock> but I can understand where they are coming from, that's what I'm saying
[06:57] <ajmitch> for good reason
[06:57] <ajmitch> eg for some of the packages I maintain in debian, I've known upstream for awhile
[06:57] <ajmitch> including staying at their place, etc :)
[06:58] <LaserJock> and I can see that if I'd been working on Debian for some time and this derivative takes of like wild fire
[06:58] <LaserJock> I'd tend to want to think a little "yeah, but it's really just Debian"
[06:59] <ajmitch> especially when some of those motus are pretty slack at getting those fixes back to debian
[06:59] <ajmitch> and the DD only finds out a few months later
[06:59] <Fujitsu> Hence the DCT.
[06:59] <ajmitch> which for all the nice things I hear about it, still needs people to do the work
[06:59] <LaserJock> hence teaching MOTUs how to play nice :-)
[06:59] <ajmitch> like anything
[07:00] <LaserJock> I honestly don't see how DCT is going to work
[07:01] <ajmitch> it'll only work if people can put in effort for a thankless task again
[07:01] <Burgundavia> yep
[07:01] <LaserJock> on top of their normal MOTU load
[07:02] <ajmitch> currently I'm mainly doing ubuntu stuff on things I maintain in debian anyway
[07:02] <ajmitch> so it's not so much of a hassle with me
[07:02] <ajmitch> except that I get to deal with upstream devs more :)
[07:03] <LaserJock> I try to at least somewhat keep track of 400+ packages
[07:03] <ajmitch> you're brave
[07:03] <LaserJock> there's really no way I can know each of the corresponding Debian maintainers well
[07:04] <BigScaryHobbsee> true
[07:04] <LaserJock> or they packages
[07:04] <Fujitsu> How many are there with Ubuntu changes at the moment?
[07:04] <BigScaryHobbsee> lots :P
[07:04] <LaserJock> something like 150
[07:04] <Fujitsu> .....
[07:04] <Fujitsu> A lot more than that.
[07:04] <LaserJock> out of my 400
[07:04] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[07:05] <LaserJock> there are over 1000 total for universe I think
[07:05] <Fujitsu> Yeah, something like that..
[07:06] <LaserJock> http://tiber.tauware.de/~lucas/versions/unimultiverse-all.html
[07:06] <LaserJock> gives an idea
[07:07] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, why?
[07:08] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: security vulnerability in one of my debian packages
[07:08] <Fujitsu> So almost exactly 1000 with Ubuntu changes...
[07:08] <BigScaryHobbsee> ajmitch: meet the requestsync script :P
[07:08] <ajmitch> which I've updated in sid
[07:08] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, ah.
[07:08] <ajmitch> BigScaryHobbsee: I was just fetching the latest version of that
[07:08] <BigScaryHobbsee> ajmitch: TheMuso, pitti, and myself fixed that :)
[07:08] <BigScaryHobbsee> it now works when you dotn have a MTA installe
[07:08] <BigScaryHobbsee> d
[07:09] <LaserJock> phew
[07:09] <Hobbsee> heh
[07:09] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: what?
[07:10] <LaserJock> I feel better now that you're regular Hobbsee
[07:11] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: i'm still big and scary, dont worry about that
[07:12] <ajmitch> haha
[07:12] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: can testify
[07:12] <ajmitch> sure, real big ;)
[07:12] <Hobbsee> well.  scary
[07:13] <LaserJock> heh
[07:13] <LaserJock> all I fear are Hobbsee's IRC abilities ;-)
[07:13] <ajmitch> she's really quite a sweet & charming young lady ;)
[07:13] <Hobbsee>  * LaserJock has been removed from #ubuntu-motu.  Requested by Hobbsee: ( What, these ones?)
[07:14] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:14] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: really now?
[07:14] <ajmitch> of course
[07:14] <Hobbsee> right
[07:15] <ajmitch> you'd fit right in
[07:15] <Hobbsee> hmmm...
[07:15] <chillywilly> lalala
[07:16] <ajmitch> uh oh
[07:16] <chillywilly> :)
[07:16] <chillywilly> some day I'll make it to that island....
[07:16] <lotusleaf> Hobbsee: especially if the m$n butterfly costume is worn
[07:16] <chillywilly> and then you'll be sorry ;)
[07:17] <Hobbsee> lotusleaf: um?  okay then :P
[07:17] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: trust me, you'd do fine?
[07:17] <LaserJock> argg -?
[07:17] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:19] <LaserJock> there were also a more women than I would have expected at the 2 conferences I've been to, Paris and Ubucon
[07:19] <Burgundavia> still absymally low numbers, however
[07:19] <Hobbsee> hadnt really thought of that.
[07:19] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: yeah
[07:19] <Burgundavia> there were lots of women at the mall helping man the booth, but they were from the more general computer club
[07:20] <Hobbsee> ah
[07:20] <chillywilly> tired...
[07:20] <chillywilly> night all
[07:21] <Burgundavia> ok, well, maybe there were not "manning" the booth ;)
[07:21] <LaserJock> haha
[07:21] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:21] <Hobbsee> now i wasnt goign to point that out :P
[07:21] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: you'd better be at mountain view..
[07:21] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: why so?
[07:22] <ajmitch> because
[07:22] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: it's very close to exams
[07:22] <ajmitch> that's what I feared
[07:23] <LaserJock> oh darn
[07:23] <Hobbsee> i think it's about...5 days
[07:23] <LaserJock> I'm scheduled to give a presentation on the 7th
[07:23] <Hobbsee> and i still dont have a passport, as i've been lazy.
[07:23] <ajmitch> LaserJock: that'll cost you
[07:23] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: you can get a passport in a week or two
[07:23] <LaserJock> let's see, that should be tuesday
[07:24] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: is that all it takes?  nice!
[07:24] <LaserJock> so I can drive over Tuesday night
[07:24] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: standard here is within 10 working days
[07:25] <LaserJock> wow
[07:25] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: right.  i thought it took months
[07:25] <ajmitch> I doubt it'll take that long in .au
[07:25] <LaserJock> I had to pay extra to get mine in 2 weeks
[07:25] <LaserJock> normally 1 month here I think
[07:25] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, 10 working days here if you pay extra. Generally 2-4 weeks.
[07:26] <LaserJock> how much does it cost there?
[07:26] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: https://www.passports.gov.au/Web/queries/officeturnaround.aspx
[07:26] <Fujitsu> OK.
[07:26] <Fujitsu> So I had it wrong. 10 working days, or 2 or so days if you pay extra.... >_>
[07:27] <Fujitsu> I last got one 3 years ago, though.
[07:27] <ajmitch> I haven't used it for awhile, not since july :)
[07:28] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:29] <ajmitch> ok, I'm heading out, I'll be back later to do some reviewing & fixes :)
[07:29] <LaserJock> I used mine to get a new driver's license when I got back from Paris :/
[07:29] <Hobbsee> bye ajmitch!
[07:30] <Fujitsu> Bye, ajmitch.
[07:31] <LaserJock> hmm, I wonder what tritium has been up too
[07:47] <dholbach> good morning
[07:47] <Fujitsu> Afternoon.
[07:48] <lotusleaf> what if day and night overlapped and curled up in a laughing god's lap of luxury?
[07:48] <LaserJock> hi dholbach
[07:48] <dholbach> hey Fujitsu, lotusleaf, LaserJock
[07:48] <lotusleaf> hi dholbach
[07:49] <lotusleaf> every day with ubuntu is a good day ;)
[07:49] <dholbach> how's it going?
[07:54] <imbrandon> Burgundavia: pong ( very late )
[07:55] <dholbach> It's the REVU day, right? :)
[07:55] <dholbach> woohoo
[07:56] <ajmitch> hey dholbach
[07:56] <ajmitch> yes, REVU day has come about
[07:58] <ajmitch> hey elkbuntu
[07:58] <ajmitch> LaserJock: yeah, I have to use win xp at work :)
[07:59] <elkbuntu> heh, i have to use winxp to scan something in more than black & green or pink & white... stupid epson :(
[08:00] <imbrandon> heya dholbach elkbuntu
[08:00] <imbrandon> ajmitch: finly get an edgy box ?
[08:01] <ajmitch> imbrandon: no, I walked home :P
[08:01] <LaserJock> ajmitch: well at least I have to use OS X
[08:01] <imbrandon> ajmitch: ahah hehe
[08:01] <ajmitch> where I've had edgy all along
[08:01] <imbrandon> LaserJock: heh i've been trying to get debootstrap working in fink so i can make a ubuntu chroot on osx
[08:02] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: never mind, got it
[08:02] <imbrandon> on an off
[08:02] <imbrandon> Burgundavia: okie
[08:02] <LaserJock> imbrandon: oh, that would sooo totally rock
[08:03] <imbrandon> i had to do a fresh install ( or better wording choose to ) of knot 3 last night on what was voyager ( now horatio ) becouse i decided to corrupt the fs
[08:03] <imbrandon> heh
[08:04] <imbrandon> probably could have saved it but i had everything backed up so it was no biggie
[08:04] <LaserJock> I'm still waiting to get MS Office on my mac a work after my reinstall :/
[08:05] <LaserJock> yuck, I hate having to rely on that stupid stuff
[08:05] <imbrandon> noeoffice ?
[08:05] <imbrandon> neooffice*
[08:06] <imbrandon> and on my blog i have a link to mac native ( no X required ) koffice binarys ;)
[08:07] <imbrandon> although i wouldent use the koffice ones there is still a few issues ( not in production any ways )
[08:07] <LaserJock> well, I really *have* to have MS Office
[08:08] <LaserJock> wonderful docs people make that only work in Office and Acrobat ;-)
[08:08] <LaserJock> dholbach: btw, I had MOTU Science added as the initial bug contact for science apps (400+ source packages)
[08:08] <imbrandon> heh i barely use an office suite so neooffice ( oo.o for mac ) works fine for me, the most i do with it is a resume' update or such
[08:09] <dholbach> LaserJock: manually?
[08:09] <LaserJock> dholbach: I just gave the list to kiko and he did it for me
[08:09] <ajmitch> dholbach: all psyched up for reviewing today?
[08:09] <dholbach> ajmitch: abso-lutely :)
[08:09] <LaserJock> ok, time to go guys
[08:09] <ajmitch> 23359 ajmitch   16   0 1259m 907m  19m R   31 23.0 224:07.41 /usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin
[08:09] <LaserJock> cya in the morning
[08:10] <ajmitch> woohoo
[08:10] <ajmitch> go firefox!
[08:10] <ajmitch> bye LaserJock :)
[08:10] <dholbach> LaserJock: sleep tight!
[08:10] <imbrandon> later Laser_away
[08:11] <ajmitch> ok, who wants to review my package? ;)
[08:12] <imbrandon> ajmitch: btw i tried digicam after the updates , everything seemd to work ok, i dident do anything exaustive
[08:12] <ajmitch> imbrandon: excellent, thanks for testing
[08:13] <imbrandon> after i finish rebuilding my pbuilders i'll do some revuing
[08:13] <imbrandon> heh
[08:13] <imbrandon> doing that now in the background
[08:14] <imbrandon> i had to search for an hour to find the cdrom with my gpg key on it , lol
[08:15] <ajmitch> hm
[08:15] <ajmitch> I don't think we need olive on REVU - it's in the archive now
[08:16] <dholbach> yeah, that's what I'll do latet too
[08:16] <dholbach> weed out all the old package on revu which didn't change for 4 months, but got a response already
[08:16] <ajmitch> that would be awesome
[08:17] <ajmitch> I wonder if I can throw together a quick script on tiber to get the list
[08:17] <imbrandon> that would rock
[08:17] <imbrandon> make going through them alot easier
[08:17] <dholbach> it'd be nice if we had revu on launchpad with bzr integration and all
[08:18] <dholbach> so if it's just a quick fix for something, you could make the change in bzr, etc
[08:18] <dholbach> mucho faster :)
[08:18] <ajmitch> dholbach: it is
[08:18] <ajmitch> https://launchpad.net/products/revu/+branches
[08:18] <ajmitch> but I presume you mean a bit more than that ;)
[08:19] <dholbach> no, I mean the packages on revu
[08:19] <ajmitch> that would be a little harder
[08:19] <dholbach> yeah
[08:19] <ajmitch> but will come with personal package archives
[08:19] <Laser_away> maybe we need a REVU-Hacking Day before Edgy+1 gets far
[08:19] <ajmitch> and I know that they plan to fold revu-like functionality into LP
[08:20] <ajmitch> yeah, last comment on http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2183 was in march - no further uploads or changes
[08:22] <imbrandon> ryanakca: ping
[08:22] <imbrandon> ryanakca: unping , nvm sorry
[08:26] <Fujitsu> Has somebody considered changing REVU to use a sane timezone?
[08:26] <dholbach> what timezone would that be?
[08:26] <Fujitsu> UTC?
[08:27] <ajmitch> why do you find the timezone to be a problem?
[08:27] <dholbach> there's always "data center time" which is in most cases not your time, or UTC, or something else :)
[08:27] <Fujitsu> UTC is more useful than UTC-4, I'd say.
[08:28] <dholbach> I think it doesn't matter much-ly
[08:28] <ajmitch> iirc there were some disagreements with that package
[08:28] <dholbach> it'd be nice to get glest in
[08:28] <dholbach> looks like valid to archive
[08:29] <ajmitch> since it's probably full of mistakes
[08:29] <dholbach> is that your package?
[08:29] <ajmitch> yep
[08:29] <dholbach> :-)
[08:29] <dholbach> i'll make a note to look at it
[08:30] <dholbach> oh?
[08:30] <imbrandon> ajmitch: if you get time can you test build libmtp, i got it all fixed up but i get a stange warning in debuild
[08:30] <ajmitch> yeah, we were having some fun with uploads about that time..
[08:30] <ajmitch> imbrandon: revu-report?
[08:30] <imbrandon> ajmitch: sure
[08:31] <ajmitch> building now
[08:31] <imbrandon> k
[08:31] <imbrandon> me and Riddell looked at it for a few hours and couldent figure it out
[08:31] <ajmitch> what was the strange error?
[08:31] <imbrandon> something aobut the so not being installed but it is
[08:31] <ajmitch> I'll check it out locally then
[08:32] <imbrandon> its build in the same way libnjb ( same upstream authors and same code base ) so i riped their build system
[08:32] <ajmitch> might build a little faster on my box :)
[08:32] <imbrandon> you might peek at that ( its in main )
[08:32] <ajmitch> aha
[08:32] <ajmitch> dangerous
[08:34] <imbrandon> i'm still re-creating my pbuilder or i would give you the exact error
[08:34] <ajmitch> I'm running it in mine
[08:34] <ajmitch> ok, it built on tiber
[08:35] <ajmitch> so... what's the issue? :)
[08:35] <imbrandon> just a sec lemme look at the log
[08:37] <ajmitch> whiprush: you listened to that novell open audio interview?
[08:37] <imbrandon> wow ok its not showing the warning i was getting in the revu-report or build logs maybe it was localized to me
[08:37] <ajmitch> yeah it built fine for me locally
[08:38] <imbrandon> ajmitch: in that case can you revu it as normal then ;)
[08:38] <ajmitch> hehe
[08:38] <imbrandon> heh
[08:40] <ajmitch> imbrandon: so tell me, has the ABI stayed backwards & forwards compatible?
[08:41] <imbrandon> yea it hasent change much over the last year at all
[08:41] <ajmitch> or should you use -V with dh_makeshlibs? :)
[08:41] <ajmitch> 'much' != 'at all'
[08:42] <imbrandon> true
[08:43] <ajmitch> eg a program whether a program compiled against this version will work with libmtp.so.2.0.0
[08:44] <imbrandon> yes it will
[08:44] <ajmitch> you sure?
[08:44] <imbrandon> the API dosent change ( but its not in stone as with any api )
[08:44] <ajmitch> there were no symbols added in 2.1?
[08:44] <imbrandon> so -V might be betetr
[08:44] <Gloubiboulga> morning
[08:44] <ajmitch> I said compiled, so ABI :)
[08:44] <imbrandon> heya Gloubiboulga
[08:45] <imbrandon> ajmitch: ahh yea my mistake i was thinking api
[08:45] <Gloubiboulga> hi imbrandon
[08:45] <imbrandon> i dont know tbh i'll have to look
[08:46] <imbrandon> whats the -V vs -a ?
[08:46] <imbrandon> strict(er) versioning ?
[08:46] <ajmitch> -V is for passing the version string
[08:46] <ajmitch> -a is a debhelper option
[08:47] <imbrandon> so -V would make the programs compiled against this force a recomile if it changes versions ?
[08:48] <imbrandon> ( to the new version )
[08:48] <ajmitch> it means that packages compiled against this version would get proper dependencies
[08:48] <imbrandon> ok that sounds like a good thing(tm)
[08:48] <ajmitch> what you put in shlibs, packages that use libmtp pick up for ${shlibs:Depends}
[08:49] <imbrandon> ahhhhhhhhhh ok , duh
[08:49] <imbrandon> nvm i get it now, man i was dense there for a sec
[08:49] <imbrandon> ok ok i see what your saying my bad , yea
[08:50] <imbrandon> yea in that case -V would probably be the correct thing to do, i'll change that in a few when this pbuilder is done
[09:01] <imbrandon> man i killed the room ( or eveyone is busy REVUing )
[09:01] <imbrandon> heh
[09:04] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: no, it was your puppy-eating ways ;)
[09:04] <imbrandon> hehe
[09:09] <imbrandon> ajmitch: hrm i got pbuilder reinstalled and built, and built libmtp localy again and get that warnings , here i pastebin'd the relvent parts http://pastebin.ca/174812
[09:09] <imbrandon> #
[09:09] <imbrandon> dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: could not find any packages for libmtp.so.2
[09:09] <imbrandon> #
[09:09] <imbrandon> dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: unable to find dependency information for shared library libmtp (soname 2, path libmtp.so.2, dependency field Depends)
[09:09] <imbrandon> and libtool: install: warning: `../src/libmtp.la' has not been installed in `/usr/lib'
[09:10] <imbrandon> ( i added the -V too btw )
[09:12] <ajmitch> great
[09:12] <imbrandon> ajmitch: any idea what those warnings are ?
[09:16] <ajmitch> imbrandon: is the shlibs still correct?
[09:20] <imbrandon> ajmitch: sill right as in ?
[09:20] <imbrandon> Fujitsu: REVU day ;) and bugs hehe
[09:21] <imbrandon> ajmitch: dostent the dh_sh* take care of that ?
[09:22] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, I'm not a MOTU, so REVU's out of the question... And bugs?
[09:22] <Fujitsu> Toooo many.
[09:22] <ajmitch> imbrandon: no
[09:22] <ajmitch> imbrandon: dpkg-deb -I libtmp2_version.deb shlibs
[09:22] <ajmitch> s/tmp/mtp/
[09:23] <imbrandon> brandon@horatio:~/devel/libmtp$ dpkg-deb -I /var/cache/pbuilder/edgy/result/libmtp2_0.0.18-0ubuntu1_i386.deb shlibs
[09:23] <imbrandon> libmtp 2 libmtp2 (>= 0.0.18)
[09:24] <imbrandon> looks to be
[09:25] <ajmitch> ok
[09:26] <imbrandon> could it be those warnings are when the -dev package is being built ( the warnings are on the example bins and the so isnt installed in the -dev )
[09:26] <ajmitch> quite likely
[09:26] <imbrandon> so in that case is it normal ?
[09:26] <ajmitch> where are those example binaries?
[09:27] <imbrandon> usr/bin
[09:27] <ajmitch> no, which package?
[09:27] <imbrandon> -dev
[09:27] <imbrandon> the -dev
[09:27] <ajmitch> ok
[09:27] <imbrandon> the reg package only has the so
[09:27] <imbrandon> everything else is in the -dev
[09:27] <imbrandon> doc's example bins etc
[09:28] <ajmitch> the so.X, I hope
[09:28] <imbrandon> yea
[09:28] <ajmitch> since the .so symlink should be in -dev :)
[09:28] <imbrandon> correct
[09:28] <imbrandon> yup i said it wrong but yea
[09:29] <imbrandon> -rw-r--r-- root/root     98004 2006-09-18 02:06 ./usr/lib/libmtp.so.2.1.1
[09:29] <imbrandon> ^^ hte reg package
[09:29] <ajmitch> yep
[09:29] <imbrandon> the*
[09:30] <imbrandon> that would explain why i dident get the warnings at first ( i dident install the example bins when i first made the package untill Riddell  sugested so )
[09:31] <imbrandon> so the question is now, what do i do about it .... leave out the examples or ignore the warnings
[09:31] <ajmitch> ignore warnings, I think :)
[09:31] <imbrandon> ajmitch: from what ( network hammered )
[09:31] <ajmitch> copying a disk image from my flatmate's new box
[09:31] <imbrandon> ahh ;)
[09:31] <ajmitch> dd & netcat are great
[09:32] <imbrandon> heheh yea
[09:32] <ajmitch> he has xp, xp doesn't handle having new hardware very well ;)
[09:32] <imbrandon> i seen some fancy shell scripts to do some cool backup stuff with dd and netcat
[09:32] <ajmitch> so in with the live cd
[09:32] <ajmitch> even piping it through gzip on the other side, it still saturates 100Mbps network
[09:32] <imbrandon> heh
[09:32] <ajmitch> he has a nice little 4600+
[09:33] <imbrandon> sweet
[09:33] <ajmitch> dual-core x2
[09:33] <imbrandon> very cool
[09:33] <ajmitch> yeah, I've only got the 4200+ :)
[09:33] <imbrandon> give me a shell account heheh just teasin
[09:33] <ajmitch> though my box has a lot more RAM, & disks :)
[09:33] <ajmitch> mine isn't for gaming..
[09:33] <imbrandon> really though i want to get pbuilder access to a faster ppc , my lappy just dont cut it for anything semi big
[09:34] <imbrandon> 800mhz ppc with 640mb of ram does the job in  a pinch but still sucks for things like kdelibs or amarok
[09:34] <ajmitch> yeah I wish I had access to a ppc box
[09:35] <imbrandon> i was looking at suse openbuild systems or whatever , it said it can build ubuntu packages too but i dont know the details
[09:35] <Burgundavia> you could ask canonical to fund something like that?
[09:35] <imbrandon> Burgundavia: i was thinking about it, a build farm for the community / MOTU's
[09:36] <imbrandon> like what suse does
[09:36] <Burgundavia> suse is scrabbling for developers, so they are trying to entice them in with shiny kit
[09:36] <imbrandon> theirs suposidly builds for any arch and distro but i havent looked into it alot
[09:36] <imbrandon> just read the webpage
[09:37] <imbrandon> heh, figured it was something like that
[09:37] <imbrandon> i have no intrest in suse but would happly build stuff on their machines ;)
[09:37] <imbrandon> ( as long as i can have a edgy chroot )
[09:37] <imbrandon> heh
[09:39] <imbrandon> ok so ajmitch you think that looks good enough to upload ? that seems to be the only issue ( the warning )
[09:39] <imbrandon> other than that Riddell and me and you have eyeballed it pretty good
[09:40] <ajmitch> hm
[09:40] <imbrandon> heh me either ;) /me looks arround the room dholbach or Gloubiboulga ? how are yall with libs ?
[09:41] <ajmitch> from what I can see it's fine now
[09:41] <imbrandon> i was looking though it is almost identical to libnjb except the -docs arent split out into their own package
[09:41] <imbrandon> ( and the examples are installed )
[09:41] <imbrandon> hehe
[09:42] <imbrandon> well i'll upload it then and archive it on revu, seems good enough for a first upload
[09:42] <Gloubiboulga> imbrandon, I can have a look at your lib when I'll be back (if Daniel doesn't look at it while I'm away)
[09:43] <Gloubiboulga> bbl
[09:43] <imbrandon> Gloubiboulga: ok
[09:45] <imbrandon> sniznit i didnt backup my dput.cf /me looks at it to make sure the default is sane
[09:47] <ajmitch> firefox is sucking so much RAM it's not funny :)
[09:48] <imbrandon> heh beta2 ?
[09:48] <ajmitch> beta 1 actually
[09:48] <ajmitch> 1350MB according to top
[09:48] <imbrandon> iwj updated in the archive, but i doubt its any better on ram
[09:49] <imbrandon> jez
[09:49] <imbrandon> over a gig for ff
[09:49] <ajmitch> yeah
[09:50] <imbrandon> i think ff just says total_ram/3 is how much it maloc's
[09:50] <imbrandon> heh
[09:50] <imbrandon> i would bet its somewhere in the code
[09:50] <imbrandon> lol
[09:50] <ajmitch> heh
[09:50] <ajmitch> it's getting close
[09:51] <ajmitch> maybe I should just get more RAM ;)
[09:52] <Lathiat> you new zealanders are breaking things again
[09:52] <imbrandon> ok i uploaded libmtp , but i left it on revu for the moment for Gloubiboulga  to take a final look incase something derastic comes up
[09:52] <ajmitch> Lathiat: what's new?
[09:52] <Lathiat> NZ telecoms royally screwed somethign in their network over there :), 70ms to 900ms in 1 hop ftw
[09:52] <Lathiat> heh
[09:52] <imbrandon> heh
[09:52] <ajmitch> that's pretty average for telecon
[09:52] <Lathiat> and someone i know who has 220mbit through connect has lost half of it hah
[09:53] <ajmitch> someone probably tripped over a cable again
[09:53] <Lathiat> heh
[09:53] <Lathiat> "oops"
[09:53] <imbrandon> lol
[09:53] <Lathiat> "i just wanted to vacuum.."
[09:53] <Lathiat> "didnt seem important"
[09:53] <imbrandon> every USP in NZ starts beeping all at once
[09:53] <imbrandon> UPS*
[09:53] <Lathiat> UPS ?
[09:53] <Lathiat> heh
[09:54] <imbrandon> i think i'm FINALY getting used to irssi
[09:54] <imbrandon> heh
[09:54] <Lathiat> irssi is good
[09:54] <ajmitch> irssi is very useful
[09:55] <ajmitch> to think that I used to use nothing but xchat
[09:55] <imbrandon> cept irssi-prox kills konversation with segfaults but i know what the issue is ( bitlbee not irssi-proxy )
[09:55] <imbrandon> well i found a goox mix, irssi rnning on the file server with a /load proxy enabled
[09:55] <imbrandon> so i can use konversation when i want
[09:56] <imbrandon> but most of the time use irssi now via ssh
[10:00] <StevenK> And now I'm alone in the lab. Much better.
[10:00] <imbrandon> StevenK: hehe
[10:00] <imbrandon> better than when i started on irc back in 97ish ( mIRC only )
[10:01] <StevenK> Now that's quiet, hopefully my headache will go away, and I can get some work done.
[10:01] <StevenK> Unfortantely, it seems this work involves writing JavaScript.
[10:02] <Fujitsu> Deranged deranged deranged Launchpad.
[10:02] <ajmitch> hoping that your headache will go away when writing javascript is slightly futile
[10:02] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, definitely.
[10:03] <StevenK> ajmitch: :-P
[10:04] <imbrandon> and you wanted to get RID of a headache ?
[10:05] <StevenK> Now that the noisy first-years have buggered off, I have half a chance.
[10:05] <ajmitch> StevenK: don't worry, I havre to write php
[10:05] <StevenK> ajmitch: I'm not sure which is worse.
[10:06] <Fujitsu> Poor ajmitch :(
[10:06] <imbrandon> heh i like php much better than java*
[10:06] <Fujitsu> Should I file about people's +packagebugs under Launchpad or Malone?
[10:06] <Fujitsu> *file a bug about
[10:06] <StevenK> After the semester break, I'll be writing ASP.
[10:06] <ajmitch> oh dear
[10:07] <ajmitch> that is sick
[10:07] <Fujitsu> .....
[10:07] <Fujitsu> StevenK, no.
[10:07] <Fujitsu> StevenK, don't do it.
[10:07] <imbrandon> heh
[10:07] <StevenK> Heh
[10:07] <imbrandon> my last contract job was converting a bunch of asp to php
[10:07] <imbrandon> leaste it was asp 3.0 not asp.net
[10:07] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, goodo.
[10:08] <ajmitch> StevenK: so, why are you doing this?
[10:10] <StevenK> ajmitch: Core subject at uni.
[10:12] <Fujitsu> ASP is a CORE SUBJECT!?
[10:12] <Fujitsu> Can't you call the UN or something and report the uni for crimes against humanity?
[10:15] <ajmitch> StevenK: why are you studying?
[10:15] <StevenK> Fujitsu: bwaha
[10:15] <StevenK> ajmitch: The CEO where I work values university very highly, and so I have been pushed into it.
[10:15] <ajmitch> I see
[10:16] <StevenK> Not that getting a degree is a bad thing.
[10:16] <Fujitsu> But ASP... That's just wrong.
[10:17] <StevenK> I actually learnt that JavaScript has regular expressions last week, too.
[10:20] <Fujitsu> Ah!
[10:20] <Fujitsu> And you wonder why you have a headache.
[10:20] <StevenK> No I don't.
[10:20] <StevenK> I know *exactly* why I have a headache.
[10:23] <imbrandon> uht oh
[10:24] <ajmitch> hm
[10:24] <ajmitch> patch on bug 55462 looks interesting
[10:24] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 55462 in gnucash "Gnucash crash" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/55462
[10:24] <Fujitsu> What idea, StevenK?
[10:25] <StevenK> Fujitsu: Replacing 50 lines of 6 if/else if/else blocks with a for loop using eval.
[10:25] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, er, yeah.
[10:25] <Fujitsu> StevenK, it's headache time!
[10:26] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: it's a patch supplied by upstream, so it should be sane
[10:26] <StevenK> Fujitsu: It will be if I have to debug it.
[10:26] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, that's actually from upstream? That's odd.
[10:26] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: why?
[10:26] <ajmitch> read the changelog & see why
[10:27] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, I just did. I didn't realise it had come from upstream.
[10:27] <ajmitch> they had files in the build that implemented the same widgets (I think) as gtk+
[10:27] <Fujitsu> That was pretty silly of them.
[10:27] <ajmitch> it's quite common
[10:28] <lotusleaf> clamav was updated but not to recent version? hmm
[10:28] <ajmitch> people do that before they're included in gtk+
[10:28] <lotusleaf> doh, no changelog ;P
[10:28] <Gloubiboulga> imbrandon, your lib looks fine imo
[10:28] <ajmitch> oh good, gnucash uses no patch system, we can update it as-is (and file upstream in debian)
[10:29] <imbrandon> Gloubiboulga: thanks, its uploaded , i'll archive it on revu now ( and wait for the NEW que )
[10:32] <Fujitsu> And wow, NEW is almost empty now.
[10:32] <Fujitsu> Just stuff from REVU, basically.
[10:33] <seaLne> how do you see the contents of NEW?
[10:34] <imbrandon> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+queue
[10:35] <Fujitsu> Shouldn't new versions of packages appear on LP fairly quickly? It's been half an hour since my last two merges were uploaded... They appeared on my +packages, but the new versions haven't appeared in the distro.
[10:35] <imbrandon> Fujitsu: after they pass the buildd's
[10:36] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, my others have appeared before then.
[10:41] <ajmitch> Fujitsu...
[10:41] <TheMuso> The packages shoudl appear before they get built.
[10:41] <TheMuso> I think publisher runs happen every hour.
[10:42] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: why did you get gnucash uploaded before g-wrap was synced? :)
[10:42] <ajmitch> I understand that it's in dep-wait, but it's annoying
[10:49] <surimi> hi
[10:52] <surimi> a font manager for Gnome that existe since march 2006 http://font-manager.blaubeermuffin.de/ no deb found. If someone could integrate it in Universe... There is no Font Manager in Gnome at this moment.
[10:58] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, why's that annoying?
[10:58] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: because I can't build, test & upload without far more effort :)
[10:59] <Fujitsu> True...
[10:59] <Fujitsu> Syncs are really taking a while to be processed these days :(
[10:59] <ajmitch> yeah
[11:00] <StevenK> Fujitsu: If you want delays, go through Debian NM.
[11:00] <imbrandon> lol
[11:00] <StevenK> Then sync requests will look to be blazingly fast.
[11:00] <Fujitsu> Er, no thanks.
[11:01] <ajmitch> says he who set new records for NM
[11:02] <Fujitsu> ?
[11:04] <StevenK> Fujitsu: I went from applicant to developer in four days.
[11:04] <Fujitsu> Woah.
[11:04] <StevenK> Which is entirely unheard of.
[11:04] <Fujitsu> You don't say.
[11:04] <Fujitsu> How'd you manage it?
[11:04] <StevenK> Pure luck.
[11:06] <StevenK> Fujitsu: I managed to get a very well respected DD as my advocate, and one of the best AMs, and I happened to be approved a few days before elmo did a run of creating accounts.
[11:07] <Fujitsu> AM?
[11:07] <StevenK> Application Manager
[11:07] <StevenK> They're a member of the NM process who see if you're ready to be a DD, as it were.
[11:08] <StevenK> Check if your key is signed, ask you a whole bunch of questions, and see what work you've done before.
[11:08] <Fujitsu> Ah, OK.
[11:09] <gnomefreak> anyone care to shoot me :( someone is bugging out about gnucash :(
[11:14] <Fujitsu> What about it?
[11:16] <slomo> crimsun: ping?
[11:16] <\sh> moins
[11:16] <slomo> hi \sh
[12:00] <ajmitch> hi \sh
[12:00] <jsgotangco> hey ajmitch
[12:01] <ajmitch> hey jsgotangco
[12:01] <ajmitch> what's up?
[12:01] <jsgotangco> ahh just escaped from IE hell
[12:02] <ajmitch> heh
[12:03] <jsgotangco> i cant believe i moved into a place where IE is the only browser you can use at work sheeshhh
[12:03] <ajmitch> that's just evil
[12:04] <Fujitsu> That's wrong...
[12:04] <ajmitch> I use win XP, but I use firefox 99% of the time
[12:04] <Fujitsu> How do they restrict that?
[12:04] <ajmitch> and most of my work is done in emacs on a debian box with ssh
[12:04] <jsgotangco> Fujitsu: i dunno, we ride on the mother company's link...they say the proxy doesnt work well with linux...i find it silly...its only a browser, even ISA server doesnt restrict such
[12:05] <Fujitsu> Proxys can't work differently with different OSs!
[12:05] <ajmitch> ISA server is an evil piece of work
[12:05] <jsgotangco> does anyone know if the web mail access of lotus notes can be used with firefox?
[12:05] <ajmitch> my laptop can't get an outside connection going properly
[12:06] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, it can do very very evil things.
[12:06] <ajmitch> iirc firefox could use the proxy, but everything else was meant to use the evil little isa firewall client
[12:06] <jsgotangco> ajmitch: i thought ISA server doesnt require a client installed anymore, unlike the old Proxy Server 2
[12:06] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: this one does, and the server is SBS2003
[12:06] <jsgotangco> ickkkk
[12:06] <Fujitsu> Yuck yuck yuck.
[12:07] <jsgotangco> shall i declare independence?
[01:14] <AnAnt> ping ajmitch
[01:14] <ajmitch> pong
[01:14] <AnAnt> ajmitch: can you clear apcalc upload ?
[01:14] <AnAnt> Gloubiboulga: thanks for advocating acon
[01:14] <ajmitch> done
[01:14] <AnAnt> ajmitch: thanks
[01:19] <AnAnt> ping Gloubiboulga
[01:19] <AnAnt> ping lionelp_
[01:32] <AnAnt> ping dholbach
[01:36] <dholbach> AnAnt: pong
[01:36] <AnAnt> dholbach: may I ask you to REVU a package ?
[01:37] <dholbach> i was just about to go for a dogwalk - can you drop me a mail?
[01:37] <dholbach> then I'll do it later, when I get back
[01:37] <AnAnt> dholbach: ok
[01:37] <dholbach> ok super
[01:39] <AnAnt> thanks
[02:26] <xerxas_> I have a package that builds in pbuilder, installs cleanly, and I seem to be able to use it
[02:26] <xerxas_> what's next ?
[02:26] <xerxas_> how do I make it make it's way in edgy ?
[02:26] <Fujitsu> Submit it to REVU.
[02:27] <xerxas_> ok
[02:27] <xerxas_> is there a revu doc ?
[02:28] <Fujitsu> wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU
[02:30] <Kagou> hub: after contacting official debian maintainer of dcraw, he have completely rebuilt package, as we have discussed. The new package will be available soon.
[02:37] <hub> so you'll take of the merge from debian in the future?
[02:46] <xerxas_> Fujitsu, I cannot manage to login in revu
[02:46] <xerxas_> I should use the same password I use on launchapd ?
[02:46] <tseng> no
[02:46] <Fujitsu> xerxas_, no.
[02:46] <xerxas_> and the login is my e-mail address ?
[02:47] <Fujitsu> xerxas_, why do you need to log in?
[02:47] <xerxas_> oops
[02:47] <xerxas_> I think it's written on the wiki page
[02:47] <xerxas_> lemme check
[02:48] <xerxas_> Fujitsu,  I want to login to upload a package
[02:48] <Fujitsu> xerxas_, you don't need to. Look at the wiki page.
[02:49] <xerxas_> I don't see where I can upload on http://revu.tauware.de/index.py
[02:49] <Fujitsu> xerxas_, you don't. Please read the wiki page.
[02:49] <xerxas_> ok
[02:49] <xerxas_> using dput
[02:49] <xerxas_> ok
[02:49] <xerxas_> thanks
[02:49] <Fujitsu> Yes.
[02:51] <xerxas_> Fujitsu,  ok , I have dputted my changes file
[02:51] <Hobbsee> make sur eyou use dput revu whatever.changes, or change your dput.cf
[02:51] <xerxas_> it uploaded all necessary files
[02:52] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, it defaults to revu.
[02:52] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: no it doesnt.
[02:52] <Hobbsee> well, i really doubt it does anyway
[02:52] <Fujitsu> xerxas_, OK, check REVU in a few minutes.
[02:52] <xerxas_> ok
[02:52] <Hobbsee> default_host_main = ubuntu
[02:52] <Hobbsee> in the source
[02:53] <Fujitsu> Hm.
[02:53] <Hobbsee> glad to know that i havent been uploading to the wrong place by accident
[02:53] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: you wuold have changed your dput.cf when first uploading to revu
[02:53] <Fujitsu> Hahaha.
[02:53] <Fujitsu> I must have, yes.
[02:53] <xerxas_> I didn't change my dput.cf , is it ok ?
[02:53] <Hobbsee> i mean, i get the right accepted mails to know that it's right, but even so
[02:54] <Hobbsee> xerxas_: want to pastebin the entire message it gave you, as you were uploading?
[02:54] <xerxas_> why not
[02:55] <xerxas_> http://fr.pastebin.ca/175019
[02:56] <Fujitsu> xerxas_, you need to change dput.cf, as specified on the wiki.
[02:56] <xerxas_> ok
[02:56] <xerxas_> this "default_host_main = revu" .
[02:56] <xerxas_> ?
[02:56] <Hobbsee> xerxas_: you've uploaded to the wrong place, you need to follow the wiki
[02:56] <Hobbsee> yes
[02:57] <Hobbsee> and the unsigned uploads = 0, or whatever it says
[02:57] <Fujitsu> I can just see a Soyuz bug letting that through.
[02:58] <xerxas_> ok
[02:58] <xerxas_> done
[02:58] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: no, it rejects it.  i've tried.
[02:58] <Hobbsee> when uploading to main by accident
[02:58] <Fujitsu> Obviously :P
[02:58] <xerxas_> Upload package to host revu
[02:59] <Fujitsu> xerxas_, that's better :)
[02:59] <xerxas_> it should appear on http://revu.tauware.de/ ?
[02:59] <Hobbsee> yes
[02:59] <Fujitsu> What's the name of it, xerxas_?
[02:59] <Hobbsee> eventually
[03:00] <Hobbsee> xerxas_: are you in the group in the last link in the topic?
[03:00] <xerxas_> it's pymsn or python-msn (respectivly source and binary)
[03:01] <xerxas_>  http://tinyurl.com/fgpgy  here ?
[03:01] <xerxas_> no , I'm not
[03:01] <xerxas_> oops , sorry , I am
[03:01] <shenki> hello
[03:01] <xerxas_> Contributors of packages for ubuntu universe  (Approved)
[03:02] <Fujitsu> Hi shenki.
[03:02] <xerxas_> Hi
[03:03] <shenki> I was wondering, how would I go about telling pbuilder to use a local package if it cant find it in the archives? I'm trying to build metacity with compositing, however, it needs to use a package which isn't in the archives - ive packaged, built and installed it locally
[03:04] <Hobbsee> shenki: use sudo pbuilder login, copy the source into the build directory (it tells you) and the deb that you want, and run debuild (install devscripts first)
[03:04] <shenki> ah, cheers Hobbsee
[03:05] <xerxas_> Fujitsu, Hobbsee  I still don't see my package in revu
[03:05] <Fujitsu> It's there.
[03:06] <xerxas_> ok
[03:06] <xerxas_> thanks
[03:06] <xerxas_> oops, yes, it is
[03:06] <xerxas_> !
[03:06] <Hobbsee> ah
[03:06] <shenki> just to claify, do you mean copy the metacity source to the /var/cache/pbulider/build/##### dir?
[03:06] <Fujitsu> shenki, yes.
[03:06] <shenki> cool :)
[03:07] <Hobbsee> shenki: yep :)
[03:07] <xerxas_> I need to remove the .bzr directory ?
[03:07] <xerxas_> I forgot to run lintian on it
[03:07] <xerxas_> can I re-upload a package ?
[03:07] <sistpoty> hi folks
[03:08] <xerxas_> rm .bzr ; debuild -S -sa ; dput *changes ?
[03:09] <Hobbsee> yes.
[03:09] <Hobbsee> i think so
[03:09] <Fujitsu> You may need a -f on that dput.
[03:09] <xerxas_> ok
[03:10] <StevenK> Fujitsu: Wimp!
[03:11] <Fujitsu> ...?
[03:11] <StevenK> Going to bed before midnight! I mean, really.
[03:12] <shenki> hehe
[03:12] <Fujitsu> Hahah.
[03:12] <shenki> you've got school tomorow, hey Fujitsu?
[03:12] <Fujitsu> I've got parents :(
[03:12] <Fujitsu> shenki, no.
[03:12] <Fujitsu> It's school holidays.
[03:12] <shenki> oh, rly?
[03:12] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:12] <shenki> lucky you
[03:12] <Fujitsu> Not really...
[03:12] <shenki> I was just about to boast about how im on uni holidays as of today :P
[03:12] <Hobbsee> uni holidays here too
[03:12] <Fujitsu> I need to study for exams in 4 weeks.
[03:12] <shenki> heh
[03:12] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, school before midnight?
[03:12] <shenki> hehe, I laughed Hobbsee
[03:12] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: er, to bed before midnight
[03:13] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, I thought so.
[03:13] <Hobbsee> i'm tired, leave me in peace :P
[03:13] <shenki> I thought you were making a joke :)
[03:13] <Fujitsu> Gah. Of course.
[03:15] <Fujitsu> What /are/ those buildds doing...
[03:15] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:16] <Hobbsee> probably buildign openoffice, why?
[03:16] <Fujitsu> I've just had a build waiting for over 4 hours, and there haven't been any KDE things lately that I've seen.
[03:16] <xerxas_> Fujitsu,  my orig.tar.gz file needs to contain the .bzr ?
[03:16] <xerxas_> does the diff removes it ? (I still see the warning from lintian in revu )
[03:18] <Fujitsu> Well, goodnight everybody!
[03:18] <Hobbsee> night Fujitsu!
[03:18] <Fujitsu> Goodnight!
[03:18] <sistpoty> gn8 Fujitsu
[03:18] <Hobbsee> hey sistpoty
[03:18] <Fujitsu> 'night, sistpoty.
[03:19] <Fujitsu> (and hi)
[03:19] <sistpoty> hi Hobbsee
[03:21] <xerxas_> need to disconnect for 10 minutes ...
[03:21] <xerxas_> bye
[04:14] <matid> Hi, I've got a question - what does it mean if a package in multiverse repo doesn't have a source package?
[04:15] <matid> I tried: apt-get source program_name and got 'Unable to find a source package for program_name'
[04:15] <matid> It installs just fine with apt-get install
[04:15] <seaLne> maybe the source package is different to the binary package name, what was it?
[04:15] <pirast> matid: i think that in multiverse there are also packages which are not being compiled on the ubuntu buildservers so that there is no sourcecode available
[04:16] <pirast> mhm
[04:16] <pirast> but im not sure..
[04:16] <pirast> what package was it?
[04:16] <matid> festalon
[04:17] <pirast> matid: i can get the sources w/o problems..
[04:17] <matid> I know
[04:17] <seaLne> me to
[04:17] <Hobbsee> !info festalon
[04:17] <ubotu> festalon: NSF player for OSS (/dev/dsp). In component multiverse, is optional. Version 0.2.4-1 (dapper), package size 32 kB, installed size 140 kB
[04:17] <matid> It just sprung to my mind that I might have not enabled multiverse *source* repositories
[04:17] <Hobbsee> matid: you likely dont have the corresponding deb-src line for multiverse
[04:18] <pirast> matid: that would be the next thing that i would have assumed :-)
[04:19] <matid> I've just reinstalled my system and I forgot to tweak it ;)
[04:19] <matid> Thanks
[04:22] <sistpoty> anybody here who wants a package reviewed? *g*
[04:24] <seaLne> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3170
[04:37] <matid> If I want to update the package from version 0.2.4 to 0.5.5 should I create the package from scratch or should I reuse the previous one?
[04:38] <matid> And are there any guidelines on how to do it?
[04:38] <clandestino> Maybe the wrong forum. But does somebody know python-dbus? I need some help..
[04:41] <slomo> clandestino: depends... what is the question? :)
[04:43] <clandestino> I got help in #dbus. Thanks anyway. Might have more questions : )
[04:45] <sistpoty> seaLne: the libewf-dev package misses some headers...
[04:45] <sistpoty> seaLne: if you look at the shipped header file, it includes headers that are not part of the package, so you can't compile anything with it
[04:46] <sistpoty> seaLne: also, it might be a good idea to rename the binary package libewf to libewf-bin (since it's not a library)
[04:50] <seaLne> sistpoty: thanks
[04:52] <sistpoty> matid: you could try to reuse as much as possible... e.g. copy the debian-directory from the old package into the new source, but you'll have to be careful about what needs to be adjusted ;)
[04:53] <seaLne> sistpoty: the header files it includes sound a bit generic names that might conflict?
[04:54] <sistpoty> seaLne: you could put all the headers to /usr/include/libewf?
[04:55] <seaLne> how would things know to look there?
[04:55] <sistpoty> seaLne: they wouldn't, but anyone who compiles s.th. would need to set the include-path by himself
[04:56] <seaLne> the reason i'm packaging libewf is for sleuthkit, where the new version uses it (nastily included in its tgz)
[04:59] <sistpoty> seaLne: then you'll need to do s.th. like -I/usr/lib/libewf for sleuthkit. I doubt it would work out w.o. using a subdirectory for the headers due to the generic names
[05:00] <seaLne> thanks, that makes sense
[05:18] <seaLne> sistpoty: if you have a chance i've made those changes http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3175
[05:21] <slytherin> Is there any way to request for a particular app's latest version even though the app is not in debian unstable?
[05:22] <sistpoty> seaLne: good job! you'll just need another advocate ;)
[05:25] <sistpoty> slytherin: you could file a bug on launchpad
[05:26] <slytherin> sistpoty: I could. But is there any policy for such package uploads? I want latest version of gnomebaker in edgy. But there could be many such requests. So who makes the decision?
[05:27] <seaLne> depends if someone takes the time to package it
[05:27] <seaLne> there is no harm in having the bug
[05:28] <sistpoty> slytherin: any motu that triages the bug... however if the package is properly maintained in debian, it's unlikely that we'll go ahead of debian
[05:28] <slytherin> seaLne: sistpoty: Thanks for your explanation.
[05:28] <bddebian> Heya gang
[05:28] <sistpoty> hi bddebian
[05:28] <bddebian> Hi sistpoty
[05:29] <seaLne> bddebian: hiya have time to look at updated libewf package? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3175
[05:29] <seaLne> or actually can you advocate?
[05:30] <bddebian> seaLne: Probably, give me a bit
[05:46] <slomo> crimsun: ping?
[05:59] <lfittl> hello everybody
[05:59] <dholbach> so how's the REVU day going?
[05:59] <sistpoty> hi lfittl
[05:59] <dholbach> hi lfittl
[06:00] <dholbach> hey sistpoty
[06:00] <sistpoty> hi dholbach
[06:00] <lfittl> hi sistpoty, dholbach :)
[06:00] <sistpoty> oh, not too much revu traffic here till now... ;)
[06:08] <bddebian> w00t, go lfittl :-)
[06:08] <lfittl> hey bddebian
[06:09] <dholbach> apcalc reviewed
[06:09] <dholbach> doing elinks-full
[06:09] <bddebian> sistpoty: BTW, on the .la files issue, I am still getting different answers.  You'll notice a comment on one of the uploads from dholbach that they are not needed.  Speaking with Keybuk last night on IRC, he says they should be included ;-P
[06:09] <dholbach> (did pymsn, libjingle0.3 before)
[06:09] <sistpoty> bddebian: ok, thanks for asking around there
[06:12] <sistpoty> bddebian: hehe, I just actually looked at one .la file, my guess is that it's needed if you use libtool to link against a library. My best bet is that it should be better in the -dev package (like pkg-config stuff and similar things)
[06:12] <slomo> bddebian: it really depends on the package... if it used pkg-config it's save to drop the .la files
[06:12] <slomo> bddebian: otherwise it could be that you still need them... and then you might need to relibtoolize the package to get rid of spurious dependencies
[06:14] <slomo> bddebian: and dropping them from an already existing package will cause you some transition pain
[06:21] <superm1> hey are bddebian or imbrandon around right now?
[06:21] <Toadstool> heya everybody
[06:21] <bddebian> superm1: No, I ran away :-)
[06:21] <bddebian> Heya Toadstool
[06:21] <superm1> hehe
[06:21] <superm1> hey I'm looking to become an ubuntu member, and then looking to join MOTU
[06:22] <bddebian> superm1: Great
[06:22] <superm1> I was wondering if you could come to community council meeting for tomorrow?
[06:22] <sistpoty> hi Toadstool
[06:22] <Toadstool> hey bddebian & sistpoty
[06:22] <lfittl> hi Toadstool
[06:22] <Toadstool> hi lifeless
[06:22] <Toadstool> uhuh
[06:22] <Toadstool> hi lfittl :)
[06:22] <lfittl> :)
[06:22] <bddebian> superm1: I am swamped with work but I will try
[06:23] <superm1> okay great, thanks
[06:23] <superm1> I gotta finish up a wiki page now:)
[06:51] <LaserJock> how's REVU DAY??
[06:51] <AnAnt> dholbach: thanks
[06:51] <AnAnt> dholbach: need to understand your comment elinks-full
[06:52] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[06:52] <bddebian> AnAnt: Oh, I meant to ask you.  Can elinks be dropped in favor of your elinks-full package or are they seperate now?
[06:53] <AnAnt> bddebian: separate
[06:53] <AnAnt> bddebian: elinks has elinks & elinks-lite
[06:53] <bddebian> OK
[06:53] <geser> when doing a merge from a package ending in -Xbuild1 should the changelog entry for the rebuild be taken over to the new package?
[06:53] <AnAnt> bddebian: mine provides an elinks-full which uses packages that are in the universe
[06:53] <AnAnt> bddebian: I did that because elinks source is in main, hence cannot depend on stuff in universe
[06:54] <AnAnt> bddebian: and the features that are compiled in elinks-full need those universe dependencies
[06:54] <bddebian> OK
[06:54] <LaserJock> geser: for a merge? might as well, although it isn't a terribly important changelog entry
[06:54] <fbond|away> if anyone wants to take a look at sclapp i'd be appreciative: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2596
[06:55] <AnAnt> bddebian: you'll REVU it ?
[06:55] <geser> it is more a sync but the debian package need a small fix to build
[06:55] <bddebian> AnAnt: If I can yes.  I'm a bit swamped at work today :-(
[06:55] <fbond> Gloubiboulga, thanks
[06:55] <AnAnt> k
[06:55] <AnAnt> Gloubiboulga: thanks for acon
[06:56] <AnAnt> bddebian: oh btw, acon is on the queue now
[06:56] <Gloubiboulga> AnAnt, no problem
[06:56] <AnAnt> ping dholbach
[06:56] <dholbach> AnAnt: pong
[06:57] <superm1> speaking of today being REVU day, I added an update to the mythtv package with a very minor debdiff to fix ubutnu gnome-screensaver support and mmx support.  Can I be added up on to the queue of stuff to be looked at today?
[06:57] <bddebian> AnAnt: Great, congrats
[06:58] <AnAnt> dholbach: I need to discuss elinks-full issues
[06:58] <dholbach> AnAnt: I'd prefer it, yes
[06:58] <AnAnt> dholbach: what discussion at ubuntu-devel is that ?
[06:59] <dholbach> AnAnt: one I'd like you to start
[06:59] <AnAnt> dholbach: huh ?
[06:59] <dholbach> AnAnt: two times the same source in ubuntu means: two times merging efforts, two times security updates, etc
[06:59] <sistpoty> cya
[06:59] <dholbach> (not to mention archive stuff, mirrors, etc)
[06:59] <bddebian> Laterz sistpoty
[06:59] <dholbach> it might not be a big issue, but it's better to discuss it before
[07:00] <AnAnt> dholbach: what is ubuntu-devel ?
[07:00] <dholbach> ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com
[07:00] <dholbach> a mailing list
[07:00] <AnAnt> dholbach: anyways, how can I use pkgconfig to link against python ?
[07:00] <dholbach> sorry, if I was not specific enough
[07:00] <AnAnt> dholbach: am I (as an LP member) registered to that list ?
[07:01] <dholbach> AnAnt: no, but you can do it on http://lists.ubuntu.com
[07:01] <AnAnt> k
[07:01] <AnAnt> dholbach: anyways, how can I use pkgconfig to link against python ?
[07:01] <dholbach> AnAnt: you can probably forget that comment
[07:02] <AnAnt> dholbach: why ? I was really waiting for someone to tell me how to detect which python version to link against
[07:02] <dholbach> i thought we could sneak something like   `pkg-config --libs python`   in, so you wouldn't have a static   -python2.4
[07:02] <dholbach> but the .pc files are all versioned too
[07:03] <AnAnt> oh, but does python  have .pc file ?
[07:03] <dholbach> yes
[07:03] <dholbach> /usr/lib/pkgconfig
[07:03] <AnAnt> dholbach: I am looking there, nothing
[07:04] <Toadstool> quick question, there's no need to declare a dependency on a priority: required package, right?
[07:04] <AnAnt> dholbach: at least in dapper it doesn't exist
[07:04] <dholbach> AnAnt: you have python*-dev installed?
[07:04] <AnAnt> dholbach: nope, ok, I got it
[07:12] <crimsun> slomo: pong
[07:12] <AnAnt> dholbach: so there's no solution for python except that patch I've done, right ?
[07:13] <slomo> crimsun: problem already solved itself :) but did you hear something about snd-ymfpci already?
[07:13] <dholbach> AnAnt: not sure
[07:13] <AnAnt> dholbach: I've asked on #python & here & #elinks about a way, but I got no answer
[07:14] <dholbach> maybe you can put that in the post to ubuntu-devel too?
[07:14] <AnAnt> dholbach: sure, so apcalc is now on the queue ?
[07:14] <dholbach> yes, it's uploaded
[07:15] <crimsun> slomo: (pun intended?) no
[07:15] <dholbach> AnAnt: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/apcalc/2.12.1.2-0ubuntu1
[07:16] <slomo> crimsun: not intended, no... a user had a weird problem with quodlibet that was meant to be fixed with 0.23.1 and i wanted to ask you whether you will update it :) but then it worked for the user again with 0.23 *shrug*
[07:17] <AnAnt> dholbach: wierd, I searched in new queue,it isn't there
[07:17] <crimsun> slomo: sure, I'll just request a sync (I'm waiting for 0.24, but its ETA is shaky)
[07:18] <crimsun> rather, I'll ACK the sync request
[07:18] <dholbach> AnAnt: it's not in NEW, the package existed in Ubuntu before
[07:18] <AnAnt> oh, ok
[07:18] <AnAnt> well, gotta go
[07:18] <AnAnt> later
[07:20] <bddebian> dholbach: Not allowed ;-P
[07:21] <Nafallo> lol
[07:21] <LaserJock> with comments like that, no ;-)
[07:21] <crimsun> deities get no love.
[07:21] <crimsun> nor raging ubuntuaholic motus.
[07:21] <bddebian> heh
[07:21] <LaserJock> nor uberMOTUs
[07:22] <crimsun> who's the ubermotu? hobbsee?
[07:22] <bddebian> LaserJock: Isn't crimsun a core-dev?
[07:22] <LaserJock> you know full well you are the only try uberMOTU
[07:22] <bddebian> s/try/true/
[07:22] <LaserJock> s/try/true/
[07:22] <bddebian> ;-P
[07:22] <crimsun> no way, I'm a nobody, and I love it that way :D
[07:22] <bddebian> crimsun: No, you are THE MAN! :-)
[07:23] <xerxas> dholbach:  ?
[07:24] <xerxas> pymsn's code is ready
[07:24] <dholbach> xerxas: super
[07:24] <xerxas> I need to do a bzr update ?
[07:24] <dholbach> xerxas: I'm about to take a walk - push it to bzr please and I'll have a look later
[07:24] <dholbach> xerxas: ask in #ubuntu-dektop or #ubuntu-motu, but I'll leave for a bit now
[07:24] <xerxas> I mean the upstream code of pymsn
[07:24] <xerxas> did you got it ?
[07:25] <dholbach> talk to asabil
[07:25] <dholbach> he told me he didnt push his newest changes to upstream bzr
[07:25] <fbond> Gloubiboulga, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPython/NewPolicy would seem to conflict with /usr/share/doc/python-support/README.gz on my edgy system
[07:25] <fbond> which should I follow?
[07:26] <Gloubiboulga> fbond, I don't see a conflict...
[07:26] <xerxas> dholbach:  he did , 5 minutes ago
[07:26] <xerxas> in his branch
[07:26] <dholbach> xerxas: no, didn't get those yet
[07:27] <dholbach> xerxas: and I'm about to leave for a bit
[07:27] <fbond> from /usr/share/doc/python-support/README.gz:
[07:27] <fbond> *** You don't need X[BS] -Python-Version fields. You don't need ***rn*** debian/pycompat. Just remove all of these.                 ***
[07:27] <dholbach> xerxas:    bzr pull   should get you his newest changes
[07:27] <xerxas> dholbach:  ok , good walk then !
[07:27] <dholbach> thanks
[07:27] <dholbach> see you
[07:28] <bddebian> later dholbach
[07:29] <xerxas> fbond:  will remove it
[07:29] <fbond> xerxas, will remove ... those lines from the README.gz, or the conflicting advice in NewPolicy?
[07:30] <xerxas> don't know , you think it's needed ?
[07:30] <fbond> think what is needed?
[07:30] <fbond> I'm not following.
[07:30] <xerxas> ok sorry, I thought you were talking about my package
[07:30] <Gloubiboulga> maybe python-support doesn't need this
[07:30] <xerxas> I use an XB-Python-Version in my package
[07:30] <Gloubiboulga> I'm not really at ease with this new policy yet
[07:31] <fbond> Apparently, it doesn't ... but maybe it should be there anyway.
[07:31] <fbond> I wish someone would dictate one of python-central or python-support, to start with.
[07:31] <fbond> :)
[07:32] <LaserJock> well, doko once suggested that we use python-central
[07:33] <LaserJock> for Ubuntu
[07:33] <LaserJock> and since he wrote and and is the Ubuntu python guys ...
[07:34] <crimsun> It's good to know both, but I generally use python-central.
[07:35] <crimsun> use whatever LaserJock, the raging ubuntuaholic motu, uses
[07:35] <LaserJock> haha
[07:35] <LaserJock> well, I like how with python central you don't have to change where things are installed
[07:36] <fbond> And if you go the python-central route, you don't have to resolve conflicts in documentation, I guess....
[07:36] <LaserJock> for python apps anyway, not sure if that's also the case for python libs
[07:36] <fbond> Does it make a difference?
[07:36] <LaserJock> does what make a difference?
[07:36] <fbond> most python "apps" are thin wrappers around calls to python modules
[07:36] <fbond> in my experience :)
[07:37] <LaserJock> well, private vs. public modules vs extentions
[07:37] <LaserJock> they are each treated a little differently
[07:37] <fbond> hmm.  dunno anything about extensions.
[07:46] <fbond> ls
[07:46] <fbond> sorry :)
[07:52] <fbond> Gloubiboulga, what is the preferred way to specify GPL v2 only (for upstream maintainers)?
[07:58] <Gloubiboulga> fbond, you can have a look at quodlibet license, it's v2 only IIRC
[08:07] <lfittl> can somebody with the necessary rights please remove the uploaders advocate on http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3159
[08:08] <LaserJock> ugg, I didn't think you could even do that :/
[08:09] <bddebian> You can remove your own advocacy can't you?
[08:11] <lfittl> bddebian: I am not the uploader ;)
[09:29] <dholbach> so how's the REVU going?
[09:35] <lfittl> dholbach: it's just a loot of packages, and most have not been updated for many months.. ;)
[09:35] <dholbach> yeah, we should be more rigorous about people not updating their package after comments were sent
[09:36] <dholbach> and somebody should fix 'glest'!
[09:36] <lfittl> I have sent mail to some people now, and if they don't respond this week I will archive the packages
[09:37] <dholbach> I think two months is even enough
[09:37] <lfittl> dholbach: Giuseppe wrote 6 days ago that he will start working on it again soon, should we really just fix it and upload it?
[09:37] <lophyte> hey guys
[09:37] <dholbach> I think it'd be cool
[09:37] <dholbach> credit everybody and his/her changes in debian/changelog and get it in
[09:37] <lfittl> dholbach: k, will have a look at it after doing the blender merge from debian
[09:38] <dholbach> ahhhhh blender again ;-)
[09:39] <lionelp> Toadstool: I corrected rrdweather if you have time to review it again. Thanks
[09:39] <lfittl> dholbach: yep, but now in universe :)
[09:40] <dholbach> ahh ok
[09:54] <ajmitch> morning all
[09:54] <Nafallo> moring andrew :-)
[09:55] <Toadstool> lionelp: ok, advocated ;)
[09:55] <lophyte> hey dholbach
[09:55] <dholbach> hey lophyte
[09:55] <lionelp> Toadstool: thanks
[09:55] <lionelp> someone else to review rrdweather ?
[09:55] <lophyte> thanks for the quick response about mentorship :)
[09:59] <phanatic> good evening
[09:59] <bddebian> Heya phanatic
[09:59] <phanatic> hey bddebian
[10:00] <Adri2000> does it sound good english : "Giplet can also be set to check every so often in case the IP address changes." ?
[10:03] <LaserJock> Adri2000: I'd probably go with "Giplet can also be used to check periodically from IP address changes."
[10:04] <ajmitch> s/form/for/
[10:04] <ajmitch> sorry
[10:05] <ajmitch> s/from/for/
[10:05] <ajmitch> hi LaserJock :)
[10:05] <Adri2000> ok thanks
[10:05] <ajmitch> well that spoilt my enthusiasm for reviewing today
[10:05] <bddebian> :-)
[10:11] <ajmitch> still quite a long list
[10:11] <Adri2000> is the B-D python always needed for python apps ? i have already python-gtk2-dev as B-D which depends on python
[10:11] <ajmitch> bddebian: you haven't even reviewed my stuff :)
[10:13] <ajmitch> Adri2000: it seems common to build-dep on python-all-dev now
[10:16] <Adri2000> okay
[10:18] <LaserJock> ajmitch: hi, thanks for the typo correction
[10:20] <bddebian> ajmitch: Why would you submit to REVU?  You are THE MAN? :-)
[10:21] <ajmitch> bddebian: no
[10:24] <bddebian> ajmitch: Yes
[10:25] <bddebian> ajmitch: You are probably more throrough than any of us :-)
[10:25] <bddebian> Uhm thorough
[10:26] <ajmitch> doesn't mean that I checked that package before uploading
[10:30] <Adri2000> Toadstool: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3182 :p
[10:36] <Nafallo> anyone use gajim with jabberd2 or wildfire servers? :-)
[10:38] <bddebian> Nafallo: Just you apparently ;-P
[10:39] <Nafallo> bddebian: no, I'm on ejabberd and jabberd ;-). I'm trying to fix bug #44321
[10:39] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 44321 in gajim "gajim goes psycho when someone approves me" [Medium,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/44321
[10:46] <Toadstool> Adri2000: two more things to fix and it's good to go for me ;)
[10:47] <Q-FUNK> howdy
[10:48] <Q-FUNK> I got around signing the CoC today.
[10:48] <Q-FUNK> validated on launchpad.
[10:48] <dholbach> good night everybody
[10:48] <dholbach> happy REVU day
[10:49] <Q-FUNK> I'm just wondering how to get my existing debian packages assigned to me on launchpad too?
[10:49] <lfittl> gn8 dholbach
[10:49] <Q-FUNK> n8 dholbach
[10:49] <dholbach> Q-FUNK: you can become bug contact for them
[10:49] <Q-FUNK> dholbach: how?
[10:50] <dholbach> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/planner/+subscribe
[10:50] <Q-FUNK> dholbach: do I get upload on the same packages too?
[10:50] <dholbach> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/<sourcepackage>/+subscribe
[10:50] <dholbach> Q-FUNK: What do you mean by that?
[10:51] <Q-FUNK> afaik ony planner is in main in ubuntu.  the rest are in universe.  do I get to upload my own packages myself for those?
[10:52] <Adri2000> Toadstool: in progress (just a few minutes)
[10:52] <dholbach> Q-FUNK: No, not "just like that" - you have to go through the same process as any other uploader, though as somebody who knows his way around in packaging, you have a shorter way.
[10:52] <dholbach> Q-FUNK: you can get packages sponsored though
[10:54] <Q-FUNK> ok
[10:54] <dholbach> (until you're an Ubuntu member (in the CC meeting), became ubuntu-dev member (universe+multiverse) (TB meeting) and ubuntu-core-dev member (for main+restricted) (TB meeting again))
[10:54] <bddebian> Later dholbach
[10:54] <bddebian> ajmitch: There is nothing my dumb ass could tell you :-)
[10:54] <Q-FUNK> is there a checklist for those steps that I can follow?
[10:55] <dholbach> I thought you were in a CC meeting already?
[10:55] <dholbach> s/were/had been
[10:55] <dholbach> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[10:55] <Toadstool> Q-FUNK: http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes and a few wiki pages too
[10:55] <Q-FUNK> ages ago, but ... was it mako or jdub that kept on saying that something was missing on my wiki, without precising what.
[10:55] <dholbach> sorry, that's not the right page - i wanted to put it into the browser
[10:56] <Toadstool> :)
[10:56] <dholbach> Q-FUNK: the most important part is having worked in teams in ubuntu and have people who can back you up in the meeting
[10:56] <dholbach> that makes it easy to get a seamless ok
[10:57] <Adri2000> Toadstool: uploaded
[10:57] <dholbach> Nafallo: I thought that too
[10:57] <Toadstool> Adri2000: ok, i'll have a look in a few minutes
[10:57] <Nafallo> :-)
[10:57] <Q-FUNK> dholbach: ok
[10:58] <Nafallo> hmm
[10:58] <Nafallo> merges.ubuntu.com/e/ doesn't have either ejabberd nor erlang
[11:02] <Toadstool> Adri2000: advocated
[11:03] <Adri2000> thank you Toadstool :)
[11:03] <lionelp> bddebian: would you have time to review rrdweather (http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3179) ?
[11:03] <Nafallo> damn! erlang-nox must be stuck in new :-/
[11:04] <Q-FUNK> ok.  subscribed myself to the pts for all my packages.
[11:04] <Q-FUNK> how do I get myself assigned to them?
[11:04] <bddebian> lionelp: Not currently but I will as soon as I get home. Ok?
[11:05] <lionelp> bddebian: sure
[11:06] <ajmitch> bddebian: I don't care
[11:12] <bddebian> ajmitch: About what?
[11:12] <ajmitch> about whether you think you're good enough to review
[11:12] <ajmitch> you want me to upload this package as-is? :)
[11:14] <bddebian> ajmitch: Of course, I trust you implicitly :-)
[11:15] <bddebian> ajmitch: I'll take a look when I get home.
[11:15] <bddebian> Later gang
[11:15] <ajmitch> bddebian: it's cdbs, nice & simple :)
[11:16] <bddebian> Sweet :-)
[11:26] <lophyte> there we go.
[11:37] <LaserJock> hmm, anybody have cool techniques for installing a file with different permissions?
[11:38] <micahcowan> LaserJock, not sure what you mean by that.
[11:38] <micahcowan> The install command lets you specify permissions... :?
[11:39] <LaserJock> well, I need to install some files with a non-644 permission
[11:40] <micahcowan> Such as, a 600 permission? ...oh, you mean, they're part of a package, but you want the permissions to be different?
[11:40] <LaserJock> I could exclude them from dh_fixperms but then they aren't installed as root, etc.
[11:40] <LaserJock> yeah, I want to install them 640
[11:40] <micahcowan> It's a package you have control over?
[11:40] <LaserJock> yeah, I'm upstream :-)
[11:41] <Riddell> anyone know how to use a gpg agent with debuild so I don't have to type my password every time?
[11:41] <LaserJock> that'd be nice, I don't know how to do it though
[11:42] <LaserJock> I have a hard enough time figuring out how to get do it with ssh
[11:42] <Nafallo> Riddell: apt-get install seahorse in GNOME ;-)
[11:42] <Riddell> signing 65 language packs is a bit tedious
[11:42] <Riddell> Nafallo: how do I tell debuild to use that?
[11:43] <Nafallo> Riddell: doesn't need to, seahorse does all the dirty work :-)
[11:43] <Nafallo> slomo might know more since he actually maintains the application here in Ubuntu-land :-)
[11:44] <slomo> yes?
[11:45] <lfittl> gn8 everybody
[11:45] <Nafallo> slomo: Riddell wants to knwo what magic seahorse does I think :-)
[11:45] <Nafallo> s/wo/ow/
[11:46] <slomo> rewriting gpg.conf and setting the gpg-agent in there
[11:46] <micahcowan> LaserJock, dunno... would it be awful to use chmod after dh_install/dh_fixperms is done?
[11:46] <LaserJock> micahcowan: yes, Kamion already rejected it ;-)
[11:47] <micahcowan> Did Kamion suggest an alternate course of action? :)
[11:47] <micahcowan> (apparently not)
[11:47] <LaserJock> sorta
[11:47] <Riddell> slomo: any howtos?
[11:47] <Riddell> slomo: I'm running seahorse but I don't see how to use it with debuild
[11:47] <slomo> Riddell: apt-get install seahorse and then add seahorse-daemon to your session ;)
[11:47] <slomo> and then debuild or better debsign will use it
[11:48] <slomo> well, everything calling gpg in one way or another will use it then
[11:49] <Riddell> hmm, seems to keep needing the password
[11:49] <Riddell> even if I untick the "always ask" box
[11:49] <micahcowan> LaserJock, the non-debian makefile does the "right thing", probably via install, right?
[11:50] <slomo> Riddell: it will ask for the password once
[11:50] <slomo> and then caches it for the amount of time you told it
[11:50] <micahcowan> What'd you mean by saying it wouldn't be installed as root if you exclude it from dh_fixperms? Isn't /everything/ installed as root?
[11:50] <Riddell> yes, it doesn't need the password, but it does need me to agree on the dialogue
[11:51] <slomo> hmm, doesn't for me
[11:51] <slomo> weird
[11:51] <LaserJock> micahcowan: dh_fixperms does that
[11:51] <Riddell> this is over ssh -X but there shouldn't be a difference I'd have thought
[11:51] <LaserJock> micahcowan: and this isn't a program exactly, so no Makefile
[11:52] <slomo> Riddell: shouldn't... no... maybe restart seahorse-daemon after unchecking the checkbox
[11:52] <Riddell> and debuild just gives me "gpg: problem with the agent - disabling agent use"
[11:52] <slomo> hehe
[11:52] <slomo> probably doesn't work with ssh -X then
[11:52] <slomo> i always disabled it over ssh
[11:57] <micahcowan> LaserJock, could it go in the postinst?
[11:58] <LaserJock> micahcowan: well, initially I did a chmod in postinst, but that is what Kampion didn't like
[11:59] <micahcowan> And, what was the "sorta" solution?
[11:59] <LaserJock> one was to use dpkg-statoverride
[12:00] <micahcowan> isn't that for /users/, not /builders/?
[12:00] <micahcowan> oh, you mean after you build your own .deb? That's awful, IMO
[12:01] <micahcowan> debuild should create exactly what is needed, at all times, imo.
[12:02] <LaserJock> no, I think the idea would be to run dpkg-statoverride in postinst or something like that
[12:03] <micahcowan> Still, I hate that idea.
[12:03] <micahcowan> That seems a lot more broken than chmod. Though, I could see if someone said the chmod should go in the rules file...
[12:03] <micahcowan> (not that I've done much in the way of creating packages, but still...)
[12:05] <LaserJock> well, I could do chmod in rules
[12:05] <LaserJock> but dh_fixperms will override it
[12:05] <micahcowan> Would that be objected to?
[12:05] <micahcowan> not if you place it after dh_fixperms?
[12:05] <LaserJock> dh_fixperms is very late in the package building process
[12:06] <LaserJock> I suppose
[12:06] <LaserJock> I wonder if that would be ok
[12:08] <micahcowan> gnome-games has a chmod in a post-install target, in rules, right after dh_python.
[12:09] <Fujitsu> Anybody have an idea what's with bug #54188? It was uploaded 4 days ago, but never appeared.
[12:09] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 54188 in 915resolution "auto configuration doesn't work anymore" [Untriaged,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/54188
[12:09] <LaserJock> micahcowan: ok, cool. I'll check it out
[12:09] <Fujitsu> I was just doing myself, was looking for who did the sync, and found this already-`fixed' bug about it.