[07:37] <dura> .
[07:37] <dura> any life in here?
[07:38] <dura> I have to build magickwand from scratch against PHP5 (which is installed) and I'm wondering if I do apt-get source for the PHP5 src...
[07:44] <infinity> To build an extension against php5, you want php5-dev installd.
[07:44] <infinity> Then you can use phpize and all that jazz.
[07:45] <infinity> You should be able to untar magickwand, run "phpize", then ./configure --with-magickwand=/usr
[07:58] <dura> okay cool
[07:58] <dura> still learning lamp
[08:03] <dura> will there be a .deb for it soon by any chance?
[08:04] <infinity> No idea, never heard of it until just now.
[08:06] <dura> it's imagemagick for php5
[08:06] <infinity> Yeah, I see that.
[08:06] <infinity> Obviously, I read far enough to tell you how to use it. :)
[08:06] <dura> i could ahve sworn I saw something in apt last night regarding imagemagick and php5 but... it's not there now lol
[08:07] <dura> lol sorry
[08:07] <infinity> There's php5-imagick, but I think it's from a different codebase.
[08:07] <dura> i'm learning 2 CMS's, maintain 4 servers including 2 lamps' learning css, php, and python, and i'm also a father and a consultant
[08:08] <dura> yeah when I try to apt it it tells me it's missing or another packages refers to it
[08:08] <infinity> It's in universe, do you have universe enabled
[08:08] <infinity> ?
[08:08] <infinity> It certainly works here.
[08:10] <dura> hmm let me check I thought I did
[08:10] <dura>  deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe
[08:12] <dura> Package php5-imagick is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[08:12] <dura> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[08:12] <dura> is only available from another source
[08:19] <infinity> Ahh, it's only in edgy.  My bad.
[08:21] <dura> what's edgy?
[08:21] <dura> unstable?
[08:22] <infinity> Yeah, it's the release we're working on, due out in October.
[08:29] <dura> nice
[08:29] <dura> how unstable is it?
[08:30] <dura> i've been thinking about trying to build a .deb for things like joomla, bitweaver and the like that would include all their requirements
[08:34] <Netslayer> do the regular desktop cd images contain a "server" installation mode at the prompt?
[08:35] <Netslayer> or do i have to download the actual server image
[08:36] <fabbione> Netslayer: yes they do, but on CD there are no server packages or server kernel
[08:36] <fabbione> you will have to install the rest from archive.ubuntu.com
[08:36] <Netslayer> is that all automatic off the internet when i start the installation?
[08:37] <Netslayer> is there any other diff in a server vs desktop installation than just a GUI (kde/gnome)? for example default settings in confs, etc.. ?
[08:37] <dura> from what I see using both side by side, daily, server is more akin to Debian
[08:38] <Netslayer> so it is slightly different?
[08:38] <dura> stability and security is more important then latest and greatest
[08:38] <dura> in some aspects yes
[08:38] <dura> but it's still easy...
[08:38] <dura> imo
[08:39] <Netslayer> does amd64 bit ubuntu installs really restrict package availability? i'm coming from gentoo 64 so i'm a newb at it
[08:39] <dura> excellent documentaion, support, packag selection, etc.
[08:39] <dura> heh
[08:39] <dura> I'm on gentoo-amd64 right now
[08:39] <fabbione> Netslayer: it depends.. if you do a netinstall it's all automatic, but if you install from the desktop CD, no, you will need to install the other stuff manually
[08:39] <dura> it's like every thing else
[08:39] <dura> gentoo has things ubuntu doesn't, and ubuntu has things gentoo doesn't
[08:39] <fabbione> Netslayer: no there is no limitation. same packages are available for amd64 and i386 (modulo some restricted crap=
[08:40] <Netslayer> fabbione, auh cool
[08:40] <Netslayer> dura, i hope i dont find that out to be a problem
[08:40] <fabbione> for server they are exactly the same
[08:40] <dura> Netslayer: I haven't yet
[08:40] <Netslayer> fabbione, what's a net install?
[08:41] <dura> and I have isp-style postfix, two LAMP servers one using php4, the other 5
[08:41] <fabbione> Netslayer: installing from the network
[08:41] <dura> Netslayer:  like a Gentoo install
[08:41] <dura> only not as long
[08:41] <dura> lol
[08:41] <dura> it's like a Gentoo install with the base packages on cd and ready to install
[08:41] <Netslayer> is that a diff installer image i dl?
[08:42] <dura> no
[08:43] <Netslayer> i actually need to do a full LAMP install but i'm thinkin of doing a desktop install since i may have use for a gui on it
[08:43] <dura> It has a LAMP install option on boot
[08:43] <dura> you can also make use of X11 over ssh with x11-common
[08:43] <Netslayer> oh cool i'll have to check the boot flags then
[08:43] <dura> if you *need* a gui
[08:43] <dura> it boots to a frame buffer with the option right there
[08:44] <dura> down arrow, enter, off you go
[08:44] <Netslayer> well i may be using it as a mythfrontend, not sure yet so dont want to kill that possibility if i install server
[08:44] <dura> ahh yeah...
[08:44] <dura> i've used ubuntu for a server and it's fine imo
[08:45] <dura> just uses a bit more space/resources
[08:45] <Netslayer> dura, you talking ubuntu server or ubuntu desktop?
[08:46] <dura> desktop
[08:46] <dura> i've used it as a server
[08:47] <Netslayer> ya i may end up doing that, plus is i have a pressed cd right here :-P
[08:50] <dura> hehe
[08:50] <dura> I spent 14 hours on a hardened gentoo + selinux lamp install... 
[08:50] <dura> got ready to load my site...
[08:50] <dura> hard drive died
[08:53] <Netslayer> dura, dude ouch O_o
[08:53] <dura> yeah... i wasn't very... happy...
[02:21] <AviaX> hi
[02:22] <AviaX> ich habe mit dpkg bldsinn gemacht, knnte mir eventl jemand helfen?
[02:23] <AviaX> ah sorry, better in english here i think
[02:23] <AviaX> anybody available?
[02:41] <TrioTorus> dries@adam:/Users$ sudo /etc/init.d/autofs stop
[02:41] <TrioTorus> Password:
[02:41] <TrioTorus> Stopping automounter:
[02:41] <TrioTorus>   Couldn't stop automount for /net done.
[02:41] <TrioTorus> Anybody got an idea why this occurs?
[02:42] <TrioTorus> Is there another process that needs stopping first?
[02:42] <lionelp> TrioTorus: some process may lock this directory
[02:42] <lionelp> check with a lsof
[02:44] <TrioTorus> dries@adam:/Users$ lsof /net
[02:44] <TrioTorus> lsof: WARNING: can't stat() nfs file system /net/god/Volumes/G-RAID/production
[02:44] <TrioTorus>       Output information may be incomplete.
[02:46] <lionelp> try to unmount /net/god/Volumes... manually
[02:48] <TrioTorus> ha, okay, that worked
[02:48] <TrioTorus> nice, thank you.
[02:51] <AviaX> hi anybody can help me, i killed my system, by removing a package with dpkg force-depends
[02:59] <lionelp> I do not think this a server related problem
[02:59] <lionelp> #ubuntu is a better place for that
[03:01] <AviaX> ah ok yes, thx
[06:17] <AviaX> hi
[06:17] <AviaX> after a system crash, i reinstalled the server
[06:17] <AviaX> after installation, my computer cant boot
[06:17] <AviaX> failure finding boot device
[06:18] <AviaX> i have one hd
[06:18] <AviaX> i tried booting in rescue mode reinstalltin grub with grub-install /dev/hda
[06:18] <AviaX> but it doesnt help
[06:18] <AviaX> any idea?
[06:20] <AviaX> i used ubunutu-server cd 6.06
[06:43] <dura> does the BIOS still see the hard drive?
[06:43] <AviaX> yes
[06:44] <AviaX> im online with knoppix at the moment, there the hd is accesable fine
[06:44] <AviaX> i also tried fixing it by chrooting from knoppix into my system
[06:44] <dura> hmmm
[06:45] <dura> when you reinstalled did you wipe the drive and re-partition?
[06:45] <AviaX> on the drive there are following partitions: hda1 for system, hda3 for data and hda5 for swap file (which is in an eytended partition
[06:46] <AviaX> no, first i tried to install into existing system, after that i formated hda1, cause i thaught maybe that was the failure
[06:46] <AviaX> but i didnt changed the partitions
[06:48] <AviaX> so with the partitiontable should be everthing fine
[06:49] <AviaX> any idea?
[06:57] <dura> maybe the partitions tables are messed up...
[06:58] <dura> heh