[12:12] <kwwii_> I do not think that they can do it in the installer legally
[12:12] <Tonio_> danimo: not more than an amarok script that installs mp3 support
[12:12] <Tonio_> it is exactly the same, and we already do that
[12:12] <zorglu_> so the package way seems a good alternative, no ?
[12:12] <danimo> Tonio_: I was surprised that that was allowed in
[12:12] <kwwii_> btw...anyone seen the new amarok theme?
[12:12] <Tonio_> danimo: me too....
[12:12] <danimo> Tonio_: actually, I am surprised that universe/multiverse are hosted by them
[12:13] <Tonio_> danimo: but legally there is no difference between the mp3 install script and an installer option to activate universe and multiverse
[12:13] <danimo> Tonio_: (I don't belive that none of the ubuntu mirrors is)
[12:13] <Tonio_> danimo: universe is not a risk
[12:13] <Tonio_> danimo: concerning multiverse, I agree
[12:13] <danimo> Tonio_: isn't e.g. libmad in universe?
[12:13] <Tonio_> danimo: hum....... I don't think so
[12:13] <zorglu_> "sudo apt-get install universe-repo-config" is easier for the user as he can cut/paste the command and less error prone
[12:14] <Tonio_> danimo: haha ;) Filename: pool/main/libm/libmad/libmad0_0.15.1b-2.1_i386.deb
[12:14] <danimo> Tonio_: and the really "hot" stuff (libdeecss) isn't even in there
[12:14] <Tonio_> it is in MAIN
[12:14] <Tonio_> my god !
[12:14] <danimo> Tonio_: wtf?
[12:14] <Tonio_> danimo: maybe they bought the mp3 licence....
[12:14] <beligum> Hi all
[12:14] <danimo> Tonio_: no, then it would be in the canonical extra repo
[12:15] <Tonio_> danimo: nope, since libmad0 is free, which opera isn't for example
[12:15] <Tonio_> I think the commercial repo is for proprietary softwares
[12:15] <zorglu_> hehe :) ok guys why not let their lawer handle the legal matter and focus on the usuability matter ? what about a package ? :)
[12:15] <Tonio_> like for example googleearth, it could go in the commercial repo one day
[12:15] <Tonio_> but that's just my feeling, maybe I'm wrong
[12:16] <Tonio_> the point is libmad0 is in main
[12:16] <danimo> Tonio_: does the changelog say something?
[12:16] <zorglu_> i am under the impression that such pacakge is trivial to write for people doing package all day, am i correct ?
[12:16] <Tonio_> danimo: let me check
[12:17] <danimo> Tonio_: never touched by ubuntu guys it seems
[12:17] <Tonio_> danimo: nope, nothing in the changelog
[12:17] <Tonio_> danimo: yes it is a direct sync from debian
[12:18] <danimo> Tonio_: aren't repo switches recorded somewhere?
[12:19] <Tonio_> danimo: look at main inclusion queue on the wiki....
[12:19] <Tonio_> danimo: you should see it if it has been included in main
[12:19] <Tonio_> zorglu_: nope, not that easy to do, for a simple reason, it is impossible to guess what is the sources.list of the user
[12:19] <Tonio_> so it is not that easy of you want something clean
[12:20] <Riddell> Tonio_: it's always been in main
[12:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah ? that's surprising, since there are parterns on mp3 I think
[12:20] <danimo> Riddell: just not on the cd?
[12:20] <Tonio_> zorglu_: that's why the ideal would be to ask that during the installation
[12:20] <Riddell> danimo has it
[12:20] <Tonio_> zorglu_: but that'll never happen :)
[12:20] <Riddell> makes do different what repository it's in
[12:20] <Riddell> s/do/no/
[12:21] <zorglu_> Tonio_: you dont have to modify the /etc/apt/sources.list, putting a new file in the /etc/apt/sources.d/ will do, no ?
[12:21] <zorglu_> Tonio_: yep i understand that modifying the installer wont be accepted, 
[12:21] <Riddell> Tonio_: however if you want to split out themp3 stuff from akode and tunepimp nobody would complain
[12:22] <danimo> Riddell: so is this why is the amarok script acceptable?
[12:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: no no, thank you :)
[12:22] <danimo> Riddell: and why does it include universe when libmad0 is in main?
[12:22] <Riddell> danimo: libxine-extracodecs is in multiverse
[12:23] <danimo> Riddell: ok, but why not decouple mp3 support from there
[12:23] <Riddell> danimo: from where?
[12:23] <danimo> Riddell: and why is libmad in main?
[12:23] <danimo> extracodecs
[12:24] <Riddell> danimo: libmad is in main because of akode and tunepimp
[12:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes but you said "no matter what the repo is"
[12:24] <Riddell> danimo: mp3 is in libxine-extracodecs because it can not go in libxine which is on the CD
[12:25] <zorglu_> btw would the issue of mp3 patent goes away if everybody start using the fluendo code (which is legal) ?
[12:25] <Riddell> if by fluendo code you mean gstreamer, not really
[12:26] <Riddell> since amarok and kaffeine don't currently support gstreamer
[12:26] <Riddell> and people would still want to play mp3 files
[12:26] <Tonio_> zorglu_: afaik a patent cannot by avoided by any kind of code
[12:26] <zorglu_> could they hack some workaround ? like a wrapper ?
[12:26] <Riddell> oh, you mean the fluendo gstreamer mp3 plugin
[12:26] <Tonio_> zorglu_: since the patent is on the "concept" or the simple access to a file format...
[12:26] <Riddell> no, that's not GPL compatible
[12:26] <zorglu_> Tonio_: yep but fluendo paid for the patent http://www.fluendo.com/resources/fluendo_mp3.php
[12:26] <danimo> does gstreamer really bye a free-from-jail card for all gstreamer-users with their plugin?
[12:26] <Tonio_> zorglu_: if they paid, yes, that's different
[12:27] <zorglu_> rhmm too bad
[12:27] <Riddell> danimo: no, it has copying restrictions
[12:27] <zorglu_> ok what about my suggestion about a package to ease the configuration of universe/multiverse ?
[12:27] <Riddell> and amarok is GPL, so no go there
[12:27] <Riddell> zorglu_: that's what we have, Amarok does that
[12:27] <Riddell> in Edgy
[12:28] <kwwii_> ok, /me goes totally freaky and includes whatever the hell he likes...you'll be recieveing emails including instructions soon!
[12:28] <Tonio_> kwwii_: hehe :)
[12:28] <Riddell> kwwii_: mind the beta next week
[12:28] <Riddell> kwwii_: freeze on 21st
[12:28] <kwwii_> oh, no....no response means we'll run the limit :p
[12:28] <kwwii_> 21st
[12:29] <kwwii_> wow
[12:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: it would be nice to resolve the kdeprint issue before the beta is out, since it'll be widelly tested...
[12:29] <danimo> Riddell: the media stuff is totally broken for me btw :(
[12:29] <kwwii_> Riddell: after that, no more fun? just serious bug fixing?
[12:29] <Riddell> Tonio_: true; danimo: true
[12:29] <Riddell> kwwii_: in theory...
[12:29] <zorglu_> :))))))))
[12:29] <kwwii_> gotcha
[12:29] <danimo> Riddell: when I insert a USB drive and the dialog opens, it tells me "invalid url"
[12:29] <zorglu_> the new concept of freezing :)
[12:30] <Riddell> danimo: talk to _Sime_ 
[12:30] <kwwii_> it is practically speaking the last chance to try something a bit different art-wise
[12:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: concerning kdeprint, I searched without any success.... just one thing is sure, the issue is not a simple 'foomatic-cleanupdrivers' :)
[12:30] <Riddell> danimo: I guess we'll make a decision shortly after beta on whether we keep in those patches or not
[12:30] <zorglu_> ok is worthy for me to retry/rexmit later about the universe config package ? or it is just not a good idea ?
[12:30] <Tonio_> danimo: new kdebase upload should resolve this I assume
[12:31] <kwwii_> I still think we should use the yellow-purple version of the wallpaper
[12:31] <danimo> ok
[12:31] <Riddell> kwwii_: current one is more popular
[12:31] <danimo> more purple looks too much sun'ish
[12:33] <kwwii_> Riddell: I still think I will reduce the saturation of the edges so that people don't think their monitor is broken
[12:33] <zorglu_> [00:33]  <Hawkwind> ditte: Your sources list is incorrect
[12:33] <zorglu_> [00:33]  <Hawkwind> ditte: You need to add multiverse to the lines that have universe on them
[12:33] <zorglu_> 10sec ago :)
[12:33] <zorglu_> ok i will rxmit later :)
[12:33] <Tonio_> zorglu_: yeah I know
[12:34] <Hawkwind> zorglu_: Huh ?
[12:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: couldn't "add universe and multiverse" be asked by adept at the first launch ?
[12:34] <Tonio_> there are options to activate this in synaptic
[12:34] <Riddell> Tonio_: patches welcome
[12:34] <zorglu_> Hawkwind: nothing personnal, i was just trying to get an easier way for the user to config their unniverse/multiverse
[12:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: will think about it, but adept's code is......... complicated for me :)
[12:35] <zorglu_> Hawkwind: and you just happened to deal with the Xieme user having this particular issue :)
[12:35] <Hawkwind> zorglu_: As in using Adept I assume ?
[12:35] <Hawkwind> zorglu_: Ah gotcha
[12:35] <mornfall> bleh
[12:35] <kwwii_> ok, tomorrow we can update the k-d-s stuff...I have enough together to make it worth it
[12:35] <zorglu_> Hawkwind: more as in 'sudo apt-get install config-universe-repo' i think this is trivial to write such package, not too sure tho
[12:35] <Tonio_> mornfall: hehe, highlighting "adept" ?  ;)
[12:35] <mornfall> Tonio_: yes, in this channel
[12:35] <mornfall> i should stop :p
[12:36] <Tonio_> mornfall: hehe
[12:36] <Hawkwind> zorglu_: Nice.  That would certainly make life easier and less repetative :)
[12:36] <Tonio_> mornfall: so yes, how about an option to activate universe and multiverse ?
[12:36] <mornfall> well
[12:36] <zorglu_> Hawkwind: push with me :)
[12:36] <Tonio_> mornfall: I agree it is the n1 issue for newbies on channels...
[12:36] <mornfall> someone promised it'll be on by default
[12:36] <toma> tabbed email, OMG that is fantastic
[12:36] <mornfall> so i didn't care anymore
[12:37] <Tonio_> mornfall: ah ?
[12:37] <Riddell> yes, it was due to be on by default
[12:37] <mornfall> in paris at least
[12:37] <Riddell> which is why we didn't look at it in paris
[12:37] <Hawkwind> Repeating that over and over all the time gets a bit old. A simple command such as the one mentioned above would save tons of time for everyone and make life easier for new users
[12:37] <Tonio_> well that would be nice, but I'm surprised that could happen
[12:37] <mornfall> Hawkwind: what's your problem? a little sour? or bitter?
[12:38] <zorglu_> 'sudo apt-get install config-universe-repo' which would simply add a file in /etc/apt/source.d/ <- how hard it is to write such package ? 
[12:38] <Hawkwind> mornfall: Neither actually.  Just suggesting that we should make life as easy as possible when it comes to enabling repos
[12:38] <Riddell> it's not hard to enable currently, right click->enable.  writing a howto wouldn't be hard and make answering questions a URL
[12:38] <mornfall> go and do :)
[12:38] <Hawkwind> mornfall: I don't mind repeating myself.  But a lot of users have asked how to simplify it if possible and unfortunately there doesn't seem to be such an option
[12:39] <danimo> does anyone see a console symbol when typing "konversation" in minicli?
[12:39] <zorglu_> Riddell: people finds it hard :) 
[12:39] <mornfall> yeah, the repo manager is screwed
[12:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: well you have to know what line to activate.... there are lots and lots of lines in the default sources.list
[12:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: for a newbie, that file is non very understandable, although it is not licalized....
[12:40] <zorglu_> Tonio_: Riddell: yep i think that usning /etc/apt/sources.d would make the matter easier
[12:40] <mornfall> zorglu_: how so?
[12:41] <mornfall> append a line or add a file... sounds about same complexity
[12:41] <Riddell> zorglu_: it wouldn't because none of the GUIs support it
[12:41] <mornfall> it doesn't make much sense to have it controlled by a package IMO
[12:41] <mornfall> it's a setting
[12:41] <Hawkwind> Since everyone basically needs/wants both universe and multiverse, why not make them default ?
[12:41] <zorglu_> mornfall: you only have to copy/remove one file per repository, as opposed to edit a 'large' file 
[12:41] <zorglu_> Riddell: this is a real argument :)
[12:42] <mornfall> zorglu_: wow, large file :) dozens of lines, am scared :p
[12:42] <Tonio_> _Sime_: kdebase uploaded (finally...........)
[12:42] <zorglu_> Riddell: how many gui read this /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:42] <Hawkwind> Tonio_: I agree.  The file is not all that *user friendly* to a brand new linux user
[12:42] <Riddell> zorglu_: all of them?
[12:42] <Tonio_> zorglu_: all GUIs
[12:42] <zorglu_> mornfall: you are not, but a beginner is :) it is not a impression i got, it is output from #kubuntu
[12:42] <mornfall> umm
[12:43] <zorglu_> Riddell: how many is that ? :) i mean too many to be modified ?
[12:43] <mornfall> zorglu_: come on, i was talking about a script
[12:43] <mornfall> zorglu_: not about a newbie with an editor
[12:43] <mornfall> zorglu_: it shouldn't be hard to script with pyqt or something a small dialog that has maybe some checkboxes in it and enables what needs to be enabled
[12:43] <mornfall> or kommander if that's in default install
[12:44] <Tonio_> mornfall: it isn't :)
[12:44] <zorglu_> good :)
[12:44] <mornfall> Riddell: good idea
[12:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: night !
[12:45] <zorglu_> well just wanted to point out this issue :) as a report from #kubuntu. not always easy to find out what is hard for beginner :)
[12:46] <mornfall> night...
[12:46] <zorglu_> ok bed for me too 
[12:46] <Tonio_> mornfall: good night
[12:47] <Tonio_> mornfall: that could even be done by a shellscript and kdialog I think...
[12:47] <Tonio_> mornfall: I'm having a look
[01:01] <kwwii_> how does one reconfigure sound??
[01:02] <kwwii_> as in,until now my sound does't work
[03:14] <bddebian> Heya
[03:15] <Jucato> hi bddebian!
[03:15] <bddebian> Heya Jucato
[03:46] <jdong_> *sigh*, no, the kernel update did not break your wine.....
[03:46] <bddebian> Is that wine or whine? :-)
[03:46] <jdong_> bddebian: I'm just amused what people are blaming on the recent kernel updates :)
[03:46] <jdong_> grub errors, dpkg/status corruption....
[03:46] <jdong_> you name it :)
[03:47] <bddebian> :-)
[03:47] <bddebian> I think the latest kernel update broke my CPU and Canonical needs to buy me a Core Duo system.. ;-P
[03:47] <jdong_> yeah, I think that happened here, too
[03:47] <jdong_> I keep on typing in apt-get install conroe-extreme and nothing happens
[03:47] <bddebian> Heh
[03:49] <crimsun> I'm still awaiting a pony.
[03:49] <jdong_> crimsun: your ALSA patches broke my pony :P
[03:50] <crimsun> clarify?
[03:51] <bddebian> No longer sounds coming from the appropriate orafices?
[03:51] <jdong_> crimsun: I'm messing with you
[03:51] <crimsun> I generally don't joke about alsa, so if it broke...
[03:51] <jdong_> :)
[03:52] <jdong_> bddebian: I used to have more mixer channels :)
[03:52] <bddebian> jdong_: crimsun doesn't joke in general which is why he hates me :-)
[03:53] <crimsun> bddebian and I have history. Apparently he carted a pony intended for me to some animal rights organisation.
[03:53] <crimsun> that coupled with the "no pony for you" picture was just too much to bear
[03:53] <bddebian> heh
[04:13] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee!
[04:13] <Jucato> Hobbsee!! :)
[04:15] <Hobbsee> hey nixternal, Jucato 
[04:21] <nixternal> mine never has problems booting, just rebooting and shutting down
[04:21] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:21] <Jucato> :)
[04:30] <Jucato> ooh.... dangerous
[04:31] <Jucato> pirate day?
[04:31] <Hobbsee> yep
[04:31] <Hobbsee> the guys in #amarok related channels are having fun with it :P
[04:31] <Jucato> heh
[04:39] <SwordedHobbsee> Jucato: yarrr!
[04:39] <Jucato> elow matey! :)
[04:39] <SwordedHobbsee> aye!
[04:41] <ajmitch> oh dear
[04:41] <ajmitch> someone take it away from her, please
[04:42] <Jucato> I'd hate to be the one to do that :P
[04:42] <SwordedHobbsee> hehe
[04:44] <ajmitch> Jucato: then you distract her
[04:44] <Jucato> heh
[04:44] <Jucato> here Hobbsee Hobbsee. here girl...
[04:45] <SwordedHobbsee> a few fast jabs were effective :)
[04:45] <Jucato> :)
[04:45] <SwordedHobbsee> you cant.  
[04:45] <bddebian> hah
[04:45] <Jucato> hm... a pirate with a kangaroo instead of a parrot...
[04:45] <bddebian> I thought it was a wombat?
[04:48] <SwordedHobbsee> no
[05:17] <nixternal> oh no..quit yielding weapons Hobbsee ;)
[05:17] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:24] <bddebian> nixternal: Any particular reason for jumping Debian on all these packages?
[05:25] <nixternal> jumping them how?
[05:25] <nixternal> i can't even jump rope
[05:25] <bddebian> qucs for example.  Debian has 0.9 and you have uploaded .10 :-)
[05:26] <nixternal> how was i supposed to do it?
[05:26] <nixternal> im a no0b at it, i apologize
[05:26] <bddebian> I am asking if it was necessary?
[05:26] <Hobbsee> probably get a DD to sponsor you, and sync it :P
[05:26] <bddebian> Hobbsee: Debian doesn't have the version he uploaded :-)
[05:26] <bddebian> Oh, a DD..
[05:26] <Hobbsee> bddebian: well, yes, obviously :P
[05:26] <bddebian> Damn, I can't read tonight
[05:26] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:28] <nixternal> bddebian: in the future, how should i go about this?  so i don't "jump debian"
[05:28] <bddebian> nixternal: If there is a valid reason it's fine.  If not, probably best to poke Debian as Hobbsee suggests, if possible
[05:29] <nixternal> ok, so if there is updates to a version, go through debian first?
[05:29] <bddebian> Ideally but not always possible
[05:30] <ajmitch> debian maintainers aren't always responsive
[05:30] <nixternal> ok..so if it is possible, poke one of their devs on oftc, let them know of the update, wait for them to update, and then request a sync?
[05:30] <nixternal> or a merge
[05:30] <bddebian> nixternal: Ideally sure.  Or file a BTS bug and point to your diff/packages if you have already done the work
[05:31] <nixternal> ok, BTS stands for?
[05:31] <nixternal> build team...
[05:31] <nixternal> heh
[05:31] <bddebian> Bug Tracking System
[05:31] <nixternal> omg
[05:31] <bddebian>  http://bugs.debian.org
[05:31] <nixternal> ya
[05:31] <nixternal> im there already looking dead at BTS  ;)
[05:31] <ajmitch> poking people on irc may not be the best way at times
[05:33] <nixternal> ok, so if i do my diff/packages, put them on revu, then i could place a link in the bug..got it...email as well, but im always on irc, so it is my main mode of communications
[05:33] <nixternal> even my x-wife knows she can get me here before i answer the phone ;)
[05:35] <bddebian> nixternal: Mine too and it bites me in the ass a lot :)
[05:35] <nixternal> hahaha
[05:35] <nixternal> i hear you
[05:35] <nixternal> cuz she will sneak in on me
[05:36] <nixternal> i stopped using Kopete as it gave me away
[05:36] <nixternal> if i didn't ignore or accept i had that popup the entire time
[05:38] <nixternal> Riddell: take a look at the latest revision to the release notes on the doc-svn that i just committed when you get a chance
[05:40] <nixternal> bddebian: despite the debian stuff, which i will work on in the future, thanks for pointing that out, how is the packaging overall?  I am learning, and with proper "pointy stick" handling im sure I will get it eventually ;)
[05:42] <bddebian> nixternal: So far so good but damn, qucs is taking forever to build :-)
[05:42] <nixternal> ya..i remember that as well ;)
[06:21] <gnomefreak> metabar doesnt install and --force-overwrite dont work either
[06:23] <Hobbsee> oh yeah, i was supposed to fix that, iirc.
[06:25] <gnomefreak> thought i would let you know :)
[06:26] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: you could fix it yourself *looks hopefully*
[06:26] <Hobbsee> :P
[06:27] <gnomefreak> wish i got that far with packaging :(
[06:27] <Hobbsee> awww...
[06:27] <Hobbsee> i thought you had
[06:27] <Hobbsee> what was the problem with metabar?
[06:28] <Hobbsee> if force overwrite doesnt fix it?
[06:28] <gnomefreak> i know why --force-overwrite didnt work :( its a png not a deb
[06:29] <gnomefreak> but it wont overwrite /usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/metabar.png
[06:29] <crimsun> what package currently owns it?
[06:32] <gnomefreak> me screwed that up i was supposed to overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/metabar_0.7-0ubuntu2_i386.deb
[06:32] <gnomefreak> holy crap it overwrites alot of crap
[06:33] <gnomefreak> with --force
[06:42] <ajmitch> gnomefreak: this is why --force is considered bad :)
[06:43] <gnomefreak> ajmitch: i know :) 
[08:35] <fdoving> what's the edgy-way of doing cpu-scaling on cpus not supporting the ondemand kernel-thing?
[08:48] <fdoving> powernowd.
[09:41] <imbrandon> Riddell: ping
[09:45] <Riddell> hi imbrandon 
[09:48] <imbrandon> moins Riddell ;)
[09:49] <imbrandon> heya is all thats needed for qmake is qt{3,4}-dev-tools ?
[09:49] <imbrandon> i'm trying to figure out where dholbach is doing wrong " MESSAGE Qt qmake not found! "
[09:50] <imbrandon> CMake Error: Error in cmake code at
[09:50] <imbrandon> /usr/share/CMake/Modules/FindQt4.cmake:857:
[09:50] <imbrandon> MESSAGE Qt qmake not found!
[09:51] <imbrandon> Build-Depends: cdbs, debhelper (>= 5), libqt4-core, cmake, qt4-dev-tools
[09:51] <Hobbsee> do you have to export the directory or something?
[09:52] <imbrandon> i wouldent think so
[09:52] <imbrandon> no in an automated build
[09:52] <imbrandon> could be wrong
[09:52] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[09:52] <imbrandon> qmake IS in the patch though
[09:52] <imbrandon> path*
[09:53] <imbrandon> brandon@horatio:~/devel/telepathy-qt/telepathy-qt-0.1.0$ qmake -v
[09:53] <imbrandon> Qmake version: 1.07a (Qt 3.3.6)
[09:53] <imbrandon> Qmake is free software from Trolltech AS.
[09:53] <Riddell> it's finding qmake for qt 3, when it needs qt 4 qmake
[09:54] <imbrandon> ahh umm ok
[09:55] <imbrandon> so can qmake for qt4 be specified ?
[09:55] <imbrandon> would it be easier if i posted what he has so far somewhere for you to look at ?
[09:56] <Riddell> I wonder if we should edit /usr/share/CMake/Modules/FindQt4.cmake
[09:56] <Riddell> FIND_PROGRAM(QT_QMAKE_EXECUTABLE NAMES qmake qmake-qt4 PATHS
[09:56] <Riddell> try swapping around qmake and qmake-qt4 in that line
[09:56] <imbrandon> k 
[09:58] <imbrandon> same error
[09:58] <imbrandon> and i dont have a qmake-qt4
[09:58] <imbrandon> brandon@horatio:~/devel/telepathy-qt/telepathy-qt-0.1.0$ qmake-qt4
[09:58] <imbrandon> bash: qmake-qt4: command not found
[09:58] <Riddell> ah, well
[09:59] <fdoving> qmake is in /etc/alternatives probably a symlink to qmake-qt3
[09:59] <imbrandon> ahh
[09:59] <imbrandon> well hrm
[09:59] <fdoving> you should use qmake-qt4
[10:00] <imbrandon> welp qt4-dev-tools dosent put qmake-qt4 in the path
[10:00] <Riddell> you need libqt4-dev:
[10:00] <imbrandon> ok not -core
[10:00] <imbrandon> or both
[10:02] <imbrandon> woot , ok now its building , got another error but its building ;)
[10:14] <imbrandon> Riddell: http://pastebin.ca/175931 is a code problem not a build deb probelm correct ?
[10:17] <imbrandon> The following packages have unmet dependencies: libdbus-qt4-1-dev: Depends: libdbus-1-dev (= 0.62-4ubuntu4) but 0.92-2ubuntu2 is to be installed
[10:17] <imbrandon> E: Broken packages
[10:18] <imbrandon> ugh
[10:19] <Riddell> needs dbus
[10:20] <Riddell> I wonder if we can fix libdbus-qt4
[10:20] <Riddell> hmm, no
[10:20] <Riddell> the dbus package no longer includes it
[10:20] <Riddell> that's quite silly
[10:23] <ajmitch> dbus package has dropped the bindings
[10:23] <Riddell> imbrandon: so not much we can do until qt 4.2 comes out
[10:24] <imbrandon> Riddell: ok
[11:05] <Tm_T> wow
[11:05] <Jucato> lol
[11:06] <Tm_T> err, no join on invite, hmm, settings not right
[11:06] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: *g*
[11:06] <Jucato> I'm laughing out loud like crazy here :)
[11:06] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: i +i'd you back in :)
[11:06] <Tm_T> yes, but it didn't autojoin when you invited
[11:06] <Tm_T> like it should, well, that's how I used to keep settings iirc
[11:06] <Tm_T> anyway, off ;) ->
[11:26] <imbrandon> wb Hobbsee 
[11:26] <imbrandon> ;)
[11:26] <Hobbsee> heya
[11:26] <Hobbsee> i had slight problems killing off irssi sessions
[11:27] <imbrandon> ;)
[11:27] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: what's the new password to your machine?
[11:28] <Hobbsee> is it the original, or what i changed it to?
[11:28] <imbrandon> umm i forgot to setup your account
[11:28] <imbrandon> hold on
[11:28] <imbrandon> heh
[11:28] <Hobbsee> haha
[11:53] <Riddell> fabo: going to do a new icecream upload to debian?
[11:56] <fabo> Riddell: yes, 0.7.14-3 fixing init script issue
[11:57] <Riddell> fabo: lets request a sync once that's in
[11:57] <fabo> Riddell: i've got many package to sync
[11:57] <Riddell> :)
[11:57] <fabo> could you create a batch sync for me ;)
[11:57] <Riddell> 9 days until cut off
[11:57] <Riddell> can't do batch syncs, they have to be each reviewed by the archive admins
[11:58] <fabo> put me on whitelist :)
[11:58] <Riddell> no whitelist I'm afraid, everyone needs to have syncs reviewed
[11:58] <Riddell> fabo: do you have source packages?
[11:59] <Riddell> fabo: I need to compile icecc now-ish for akademy
[11:59] <fabo> http://fboudra.free.fr/debian/icecc_0.7.14-2/icecc_0.7.14.orig.tar.gz
[12:00] <Riddell> it was the .diff.gz I was after, but I can get it out of svn
[12:01] <fabo> Riddell: no builded yet, i can do it in 2 minutes ;)
[12:01] <fabo> not
[12:11] <fabo> Riddell: http://fboudra.free.fr/debian/icecc_0.7.14-3/icecc_0.7.14-3.dsc
[12:12] <Riddell> thanks
[12:12] <Riddell> abattoir: are you requesting sponsorship for the developers summit?
[12:15] <abattoir> Riddell: I hope to, yes
[12:15] <abattoir> Riddell: i'll add myself to the wiki page soon
[12:16] <Riddell> install -D -p -m0644 debian/icecc.conf debian/icecc/etc/icecc/icecc.conf
[12:16] <Riddell> install: cannot stat `debian/icecc.conf': No such file or directory
[12:16] <Riddell> fabo: hmm ^^
[12:17] <Riddell> fabo: there's an icecc.config, should that be renamed or the install command fixed?
[12:19] <fabo> Riddell: there's icecc.conf and icecc.config
[12:19] <fabo> icecc.conf must be installed in /etc/icecc/
[12:19] <fabo> and icecc.config you know the use
[12:20] <fabo> so the install command must be fixed
[12:21] <fabo> but it's strange... i don't understand why the command must be fixed ...
[12:22] <Riddell> fabo: there's no icecc.conf file in SVN
[12:24] <Riddell> but it is in your package on fboudra.free.fr, so I can use that
[01:26] <Tonio_> hum, that lighttpd rocks !
[01:30] <imbrandon> ello Tonio_ ;)
[01:30] <Tonio_> hi imbrandon :)
[01:30] <Tonio_> I'm on a complete apache2 -> lighttpd migration......
[01:30] <imbrandon> hehe
[01:30] <Tonio_> so I'll not have a lot of free time today
[01:31] <Tonio_> it rocks except lighttpd documentation is a bit limited somtimes
[01:31] <imbrandon> i dont think there is alot going on
[01:31] <Tonio_> but it is REALLY light for the cpu and ram
[01:31] <Tonio_> I'm sick of apache2
[01:31] <imbrandon> cool , support php_5 and python ?
[01:31] <Tonio_> okay it has 1000000 functionnalities, but who needs this ?
[01:31] <imbrandon> i've run apache for years, guess i'm just used to it heh
[01:32] <Tonio_> imbrandon: yes, but the ubuntu package provides a false config, so I had pain to activate php
[01:32] <imbrandon> ahh
[01:32] <imbrandon> if it has php/python/mysql support i might look at it
[01:32] <Tonio_> imbrandon: yes, as companies are used to oracle even they don't need 2% of what it does :)
[01:32] <imbrandon> thats all i use really
[01:32] <Tonio_> imbrandon: concerning mysql it is in php config, since it runs php with fastcgi
[01:33] <Tonio_> concerning python I didn't look at the moment, but I read it was supported
[01:33] <Tonio_> I may fix the package for correct config too
[01:33] <imbrandon> ouch, that will eat some cpu there cgi version of python and php are slow
[01:33] <Tonio_> imbrandon: nope ;)
[01:33] <Tonio_> fastcgi is really fast and doesn't eat your cpu
[01:34] <Tonio_> currently with 200 personns on my website, php-cgi uses 7% of the cpu
[01:34] <Tonio_> lighttpd 2%
[01:34] <imbrandon> nice
[01:34] <Tonio_> apache2 was running about 35%
[01:35] <imbrandon> yea i've been converting all my stuff to python.web lately, seems much more stable that way
[01:35] <imbrandon> but its a pain to setup
[01:35] <Tonio_> hehe
[01:35] <Tonio_> display looks globally a bit faster too
[01:36] <imbrandon> cool
[01:38] <imbrandon> hrm i cant find anything on the website about python support, but i'lll look at it more after i eat, looks cool
[01:42] <Tonio_> imbrandon: look for SCGI and lighttpd for python
[01:43] <imbrandon> yea i just found a howto
[01:43] <imbrandon> http://cleverdevil.org/computing/24/python-fastcgi-wsgi-and-lighttpd
[02:24] <n8k99> avast ye mateys
[02:27] <Riddell> yarr
[02:30] <imbrandon> heya n8k99 
[02:31] <imbrandon> Riddell: i just updated the amarok dapper packages if you wanna make a copy on kubuntu.org ( they are uptodate with edgy now ) still need backports etc etc etc http://www.imbrandon.com/packages/pool/dapper/amarok/
[02:31] <imbrandon> all 3 arches btw
[02:31] <n8k99> so, i have edgy on my TiBook now - nice work so far
[02:31] <Jucato> imbrandon: nice! you're the amarok man :)
[02:34] <nixternal> people are still using dapper ;)
[02:40] <imbrandon> nixternal: a few poor souls ;)
[02:40] <imbrandon> hehe
[02:41] <imbrandon> ok i'm gonna pop in the shower bbiab
[02:42] <imbrandon> wow you know what i just noticed? kmail hasent segfaulted all day, hrmm
[02:42] <Hobbsee> hah
[02:42] <Hobbsee> and *that* is why i dont use it for my email
[02:42] <n8k99> huh?
[02:42] <imbrandon> heh well i cant get thunderbir to do what i want
[02:43] <imbrandon> BUT this last rebuild of kmail seem to stabize it out, dunno why, guess we'll see over the next few days
[02:43] <imbrandon> but normaly i get 1 or 2 segfaults an hour
[02:44] <n8k99> <counts self as very fortunate> kmail has always been very stable on my machines
[02:44] <Lathiat> yeh kmail is rock solid for me
[02:44] <Lathiat> i was using it daily fo rabout 4 months on my work email that saw tonnes of mail
[02:45] <n8k99> in fact I live in Kdepim, if only kopete could be tightly integrated into it!
[02:46] <imbrandon> well it always was here till i switched to imap 
[02:46] <n8k99> aha! 
[02:46] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: hehe, same here
[02:46] <n8k99> i have not done that - (thought I remembered you mentioning that yesterday)
[02:46] <imbrandon> Lathiat: yea i get many thousand emails a day ;)
[02:46] <imbrandon> litterly
[02:47] <imbrandon> ok shower ( /me stinks, ewwwwww ) bbiab
[02:47] <Lathiat> mm i dont get thousands
[02:48] <Lathiat> probably hundreds
[02:48] <Lathiat> ah imap
[02:48] <Lathiat> i found kmails imap actually to be quite good
[02:48] <Lathiat> but i think thunderbirds beats thema ll
[02:48] <imbrandon> yea about 2.5 to 2.8 a day avg
[02:48] <imbrandon> thundirbird is quite slow compared and dosent do all the stuff i'm used to in kmail
[02:49] <imbrandon> s/2.5 to 2.8/2.5k to 2.8k/
[02:49] <imbrandon> depends on how much spam slips though ;)
[02:49] <n8k99> the only thing i wish were availble in kmail is a plugin that allow you to stack the folders and email windows to allow the message to be full window
[02:51] <Riddell> bah, KGlobalAccel doesn't work in pykde
 <offtopic>I want the email address longpointystick@ubuntu.com too </offtopic>
[03:01] <nixternal> now this is getting out of control scary style
[03:01] <Hobbsee> :D
[03:01] <nixternal> haha
[03:02] <Hobbsee> hey!  it can match my hostmask :P
[03:02] <nixternal> you can send email from that address
[03:02] <nixternal> lol
[03:02] <Hobbsee> the meeting's going slow enough...
[03:02] <nixternal> right
[03:11] <Tm_T> mooh
[03:11] <Tm_T> ooh, nixternal is apllying to membership?
[03:12] <Tm_T> ignore mistyipng
[03:12] <nixternal> what membership?
[03:12] <Tm_T> bah, more coffee ->
[03:12] <nixternal> did i click "join" on another launchpad page and don't remember ;)
[03:13] <Tm_T> nixternal: nah, I''m having messy head, ignore me totally =)
[03:13] <nixternal> haha
[03:31] <nixternal> oh lord
[03:31] <nixternal> what did i do now?
[03:31] <nixternal> i don't know whats worse, the eggs or that damn stick
[03:31] <Tm_T> nixternal: I assume you dared to smile
[03:31] <nixternal> im tracing my steps right now, i don't see a ;) anywhere ;)
[03:32] <nixternal> whoa, 2 of them right there..belay my last
[03:32] <Hobbsee> nixternal: i'm watching this CC, and trying to push it along.
[03:32] <nixternal> but why do i get the rotten egg attack?
[03:33] <Hobbsee> you were the last to speak
[03:33] <nixternal> <steve erkle voice>did i do that?</steve erkle voice>
[03:33] <Hobbsee> yep
[03:33] <Tm_T> =)
[03:33] <nixternal> haha
[03:33] <nixternal> throw them at jono, he took over the meeting
[03:33] <nixternal> i didn't do anything ;)
[03:34] <Hobbsee> he's having the best attempt at chairing, yes
[03:34] <nixternal> we are in #ubuntu-locoteams making fun of it
[03:43] <bddebian> Howdy folks
[03:44] <sebas> Howdy me dear buccanneer!
[03:44] <Jucato> yarrr matey bddebian! :)
[03:45] <bddebian> Hmm did I not get the memo about Pirate day? :-)
[03:45] <bddebian> Hello sebas, Jucato
[03:46] <Hobbsee> bddebian: it started with the amarok people
[03:47] <Jucato> I received the rss feed about it a few hours later after Hobbsee told me about it
[03:48] <bddebian> Ah
[03:48] <bddebian> Hi Hobbsee
[03:48] <imbrandon> bddebian: http://amarok.kde.org/blog/archives/240-guid.html
[03:48] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian 
[03:49] <bddebian> Oh brother :-)
[03:49] <imbrandon> ;-)
[03:50] <imbrandon> bddebian: you have to get the planet.k.o feed if you wanna hang out with us ;) ( just teasin )
[03:50] <Jucato> lol
[03:50] <bddebian> :-)
[03:50] <Jucato> and if you wanna get a glimpse of imbrandon's face everytime he blogs about something
[03:50] <Jucato> :P
[03:51] <imbrandon> Jucato: thats planet.u.c ;)
[03:51] <Jucato> oh yeah
[03:51] <Jucato> lol
[03:51] <Jucato> imbrandon: why aren't you aggregated on  planetkde?
[03:51] <imbrandon> planet.kde.org ;) ( almost all projects have a planet )
[03:51] <imbrandon> Jucato: never emailed and ask to be i guess
[03:51] <imbrandon> dunno
[03:52] <Jucato> ah
[03:52] <Jucato> :)
[03:52] <imbrandon> sides i dunno how much a kubuntu developer would look, but i guess suse develoeprs are there
[03:52] <imbrandon> dunno , i might sometime
[03:53] <imbrandon> oh lord
[03:53] <Jucato> imbrandon: Riddel and mdz (he's martin meredith right?) are there
[03:54] <imbrandon> Jucato: but they are also both upsteam kde develoeprs ;)
[03:54] <imbrandon> Jucato: yes thats mez
[03:54] <Jucato> ah
[03:54] <imbrandon> Jucato: i dont have a upstream "home"
[03:55] <imbrandon> ( other than apt-mirror and pytunes but neither are in the kde svn and apt-mirror isnt even kde based ) heh
[03:56] <imbrandon> its pretty simple, look at it like this, ok a mountain peek, where a river starts right ?
[03:56] <Jucato> uhuh
[03:56] <imbrandon> kde , linux kernel , etc are all at the "peek" of the mountain ( or where the river starts )
[03:57] <dholbach> heya
[03:57] <imbrandon> debian, is a little downstream and catches those parts and puts them togather, they are down stream
[03:57] <andrunko_> dholbach: :)
[03:57] <Jucato> oh. and Ubuntu's further down?
[03:57] <imbrandon> then we are a little further downstream and catch debians parts ( and also some of kdes ) and re-put them togather diffrently
[03:58] <imbrandon> so debian is our upstream, kde is our upstream:upstream
[03:58] <dholbach> andrunko_: made an observation wrt to qt-copy and kde4 - I hope somebody can help
[03:58] <Jucato> oooh...
[03:58] <imbrandon> dholbach: sure , shoot
[03:58] <dholbach> that should be "andrunko_ made an observation wrt to qt-copy and kde4 - I hope somebody can help" :)
[03:58] <andrunko_> hi guys, i am trying to compile telepathy-qt on edgy, it depends on libqt4-debug-dev-kdecopy~svn20060818-0ubuntu. but qt-copy (kde svn) is already updated
[03:58] <andrunko_> and they changed qdbusconnection.h
[03:59] <Riddell> andrunko_: so our qt-copy package is out of date?
[03:59] <Jucato> imbrandon: so Riddell and mez are like salmon that can swim upstream :)
[03:59] <andrunko_> Riddell: yep
[03:59] <imbrandon> ahh thats a Riddell poke ( well i /could/ do it but he is WAY more familiar with it )
[03:59] <imbrandon> Jucato: exactly
[03:59] <Riddell> it's fiddly
[03:59] <andrunko_> Riddell: so should i create a debian/patch dir, and fix telepathy-qt to compile and depend specifically on the version on edgy? 
[04:00] <Jucato> ok... why on earth did I compare them to salmon.. :)
[04:00] <Riddell> andrunko_: that's probably the quickest thing
[04:01] <Riddell> andrunko_: I can put updating qt-copy on my todo list but I don't know when I'll get round to it
[04:01] <imbrandon> oh wow installing libqt4-debug-dev-kdecopy wants remove 3/4 of the desktop , i ahte this new apt
[04:01] <andrunko_> Riddell: nice, i will do it
[04:01] <dholbach> you guys rock
[04:01] <dholbach> imbrandon: I doubt it's apt's fault
[04:01] <Riddell> hopefully qt 4.2 will be out soon then we can get rid of the -kdecopy lark
[04:01] <Jucato> apt-get still using autoremove by default?
[04:02] <dholbach> Jucato: it never did
[04:02] <imbrandon> dholbach: well its that apt wants to remove everything once *-desktop is gone
[04:02] <Jucato> I thought in Edgy it did?
[04:02] <dholbach> imbrandon: you use apt-get?
[04:02] <imbrandon> dholbach: yup
[04:02] <imbrandon> dholbach:  hold on , lemme pastebin
[04:03] <dholbach> it auto-removes, if you run   apt-get autoremove
[04:03] <imbrandon> look at all the stuff apt wants to remove after *-desktop is gone http://pastebin.ca/176190
[04:03] <imbrandon> dholbach: yea but if you dont it spams you with a big list every time
[04:04] <dholbach> that's interesting
[04:04] <dholbach> imbrandon: you should have a chat with mvo.
[04:04] <imbrandon> is he alive/awake atm ?
[04:04] <dholbach> yes
[04:04] <jdong> are we talking about autoremove again?
[04:04] <imbrandon>  /join #ubuntu-devel
[04:04] <imbrandon> err
[04:04] <dholbach> cf #ubuntu-devel
[04:05] <Jucato> jdong: yes :P
[04:05] <jdong> imbrandon: holy crap you beat my record :)
[04:06] <imbrandon> jdong: thats a default edgy install
[04:06] <jdong> imbrandon: yeah, what metapackage(s) did you remove?
[04:09] <imbrandon> jdong: kubuntu-desktop
[04:12] <Tonio_> dholbach: hey ;)
[04:12] <dholbach> hey Tonio_
[04:12] <Tonio_> Yeah we discussed that with imbrandon and I must say I agree...
[04:12] <imbrandon> moins Tonio_ 
[04:12] <Tonio_> dholbach: lots of people are removing kubuntu-desktop and then the ouput of apt gets very annoying :)
[04:13] <Tonio_> time to forget apache once and for all :)
[04:14] <Tonio_> jdong: vbulletin forums ?
[04:14] <Tonio_> jdong: cause I had a very annoying issue
[04:14] <jdong> Tonio_: yep
[04:14] <Tonio_> jdong: be sure to remove the "standard http headers" in vbulletin config
[04:14] <Tonio_> that setting is not compatible with lighttpd
[04:14] <jdong> ah, ok, thanks for the heads-up :)
[04:14] <Tonio_> jdong: you're welcome :)
[04:15] <Jucato> jdong: please test it on our beloved you-know-what  :)
[04:15] <Jucato> see if it takes it down :P
[04:15] <Tonio_> jdong: that causes redirections on search.php and post.php to fail
[04:15] <jdong> Tonio_: yeah, that can get annoying :)
[04:15] <Tonio_> jdong: also, espacially on the forums, using eaccelerator improves the speed and reduces cpu usage a lot
[04:15] <jdong> alright, let's get off the topic of the f-word before you-know-who gets you-know-what :)
[04:15] <Tonio_> jdong: only problem is that we don't have a package for this.......
[04:16] <jdong> Tonio_: yeah, we wanted to use it but our apache segfaults when we tried :)
[04:16] <jdong> which is kind of bad
[04:16] <jdong> apparently it wasn't built with DSO support or something along those lines
[04:16] <Tonio_> jdong: works here, like a charm with lighttpd
[04:16] <jdong> Hobbsee: you missed the forums debate... :)
[04:17] <Hobbsee> jdong: when was that on?
[04:17] <Hobbsee> jdong: i think i was busy poking the meeting into order
[04:17] <jdong> Hobbsee: a few days back
[04:17] <Hobbsee> oh
[04:17] <Hobbsee> i thought i was there :P
[04:17] <jdong> oh, were you?
[04:17] <jdong> well, you kept pretty quiet then :)
[04:18] <Tonio_> jdong: I just finished my migration, so if you have any question, please ask
[04:18] <Hobbsee> jdong: yes, i know when to keep my mouth shut, usually :P
[04:19] <jdong> Tonio_: absolutely, you'll be our #1 contact if we decide to go down that path :)
[04:19] <Hobbsee> jdong: you learn pretty quickly when you're with people who are a lot bigger and stronger than you are :P 
[04:19] <jdong> :)
[04:20] <jdong> whoa, would you look at that? python finally supports try/except/finally
[04:20] <jdong> without double-nesting try blocks
[04:21] <jdong> it only took them like 10 releases to get it!
[04:21] <imbrandon> jdong: fwiw py 2.5 is in the edgy repos afaik
[04:21] <jdong> imbrandon: rc2 :)
[04:21] <imbrandon> yes
[04:22] <jdong> imbrandon: but final was out 1 hour ago... why isn't it in edgy yet :P
[04:23] <imbrandon> Riddell: is there a howto/doc/something about importing streight UI files in py apps instead of pyuic ? or a simple-ish app i can disect ....
[04:23] <Jucato> guys, what happened to the DVD download pages?
[04:23] <imbrandon> jdong: dir irl kthxbye ;) ( if you dont know thats a joke between me and Hobbsee )
[04:23] <imbrandon> s/dir/die
[04:23] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:24] <Jucato> lol
[04:24] <jdong> :)
[04:24] <imbrandon> Riddell: is there a howto/doc/something about importing streight UI files in py apps instead of pyuic ? or a simple-ish app i can disect ....
[04:24] <imbrandon> whoops sorry
[04:24] <imbrandon> wrong paste
[04:25] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, Riddell seems really busy today , heh ( if there is something we can help with let us konw Riddell ;P )
[04:25] <imbrandon> its getting crunch time ;)
[04:25] <Jucato> er.. I thought he went out for lunch?
[04:25] <Hobbsee> oh goody, then i can kick you without gettign told off :P
[04:26] <imbrandon> not /ME/ , Jucato yea he is at lunch atm but i mean in general
[04:26] <Jucato> ah
[04:26] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: leaste not in here save that for u-offtopic ;)
[04:26] <imbrandon> too bad you dont come into k-offtopic ;)
[04:26] <Jucato> Hobbsee: would you happen to know why the DVD download pages are down?
[04:26] <Hobbsee> we've been using that to discuss the CC meetings
[04:27] <Hobbsee> Jucato: none at all.  i dont even know where they are :P
[04:27] <Jucato> http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php scroll to the bottom
[04:27] <imbrandon> Jucato: the dvd images are only for stable releases afaik ( eg breezy dapper )
[04:27] <Jucato> imbrandon: yes for Dapper. 
[04:28] <Jucato> the download page for Dapper DVD's...
[04:28] <imbrandon> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/dvd/current/
[04:28] <imbrandon> that was easy ;)
[04:28] <Jucato> well, because you knew where to look :P
[04:29] <imbrandon> cdimage.ubuntu.com ;)
[04:29] <Jucato> poor soul in #kubuntu didn't even know where to start
[04:29] <imbrandon> well thats for edgy
[04:29] <Jucato> yikes?
[04:29] <Jucato> rawr... 
[04:29] <imbrandon> looks like daily builds too
[04:30] <Jucato> none for Dapper?
[04:30] <imbrandon> ummmbrowse cdimage, i'll look too
[04:30] <jdong> why do I get the strange feeling that a kernel update will break my laptop today?
[04:31] <imbrandon> jdong: becosue you have no faith ( and you obviously changed the default grub then becouse it will hold old kernels so no biggie )
[04:31] <Jucato> imbrandon: I got this, can you very if it's correct? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/dapper/release.1/
[04:32] <jdong> imbrandon: my faith is greatly outshadowed by update paranoia :)
[04:32] <jdong> imbrandon: mainly because of how flaky my setups love to be
[04:32] <imbrandon> Jucato: yea there ya go
[04:33] <Jucato> imbrandon: thanks! the "cdimage" part of the url is a bit misleading :P
[04:33] <imbrandon> jdong: yea you seem to have more problems than the avg joe, stop messin with things of the unknown ( and pickup an apple ) ;)
[04:33] <imbrandon> Jucato: its been cdimage since the early days of debian ;)
[04:33] <jdong> imbrandon: I don't think a mactel would have any easier a time....
[04:33] <Jucato> imbrandon: so now I learn a new thing. :)
[04:33] <jdong> imbrandon: compared to a centrino duo
[04:33] <imbrandon> jdong: it woudlnt be flackey hardware issues then ;)
[04:34] <jdong> imbrandon: not flaky hardware.. flaky drivers for bleeding edge hardware
[04:34] <imbrandon> ...
[04:34] <jdong> imbrandon: you should've seen how much last-second nagging I had to do for my laptop to be supported by dapper :)
[04:34] <imbrandon> and that is plain wrong ...
[04:35] <jdong> imbrandon: psssht, sabdfl was doing the same for ipw3945 support
[04:35] <jdong> but then again, he has the right to :)
[04:35] <imbrandon> ...
[04:36] <imbrandon> ugh sleep time bbl
[04:36] <Jucato> heh
[05:16] <Riddell> k3b getting backported I see
[05:25] <Tm_T> hmm, I see second or third set of kde packages today
[05:30] <jdong> Riddell: k3b backported? really?
[06:54] <imbrandon> Riddell: scratch copying amarok to kubuntu.org, looks like backports is fixed ( and it just hit the buildd's for dapper )
[06:54] <Riddell> yay
[06:54] <imbrandon> ;)
[06:55] <imbrandon> Accepted:
[06:55] <imbrandon>  OK: amarok_1.4.3-0ubuntu6~dapper1.dsc
[06:55] <imbrandon>      -> Component: main Section: kde
[06:55] <imbrandon>  OK: amarok_1.4.3.orig.tar.gz
[06:55] <imbrandon>  OK: amarok_1.4.3-0ubuntu6~dapper1.diff.gz
[06:55] <imbrandon> ;)
[07:12] <Riddell> fabo: icecc -2 got into ubuntu :)
[07:21] <imbrandon> oh wow , i dont think i should be seeing the accept/reject buttons on the NEW queue on LP
[07:21] <fabo> Riddell: request another sync or -2ubuntu1 :)
[07:30] <Riddell> _Sime_, sebas: it looks like mountconfig needs some fixes for the UUID changes
[07:33] <Riddell> "OSError: [Errno 2]  No such file or directory: '/usr/local/lib/wine'"  hmm, wineconfig not too functional
[07:34] <Riddell> yuriy: wineconfig should do something sensible when wine isn't available
[07:34] <Riddell> yuriy: and does it only look in /usr/local?
[07:38] <kwwii_> ummm, is krita not a part of edgy defualt?
[07:39] <Riddell> kwwii_: it does seem to have wandered
[07:39] <Riddell> kwwii_: however koffice is broken on ppc just now
[07:40] <Riddell> yay, taskjuggler got into the archive
[07:41] <kwwii_> Riddell: ok, thanks
[08:04] <zorglu_> root      4993  1.1 28.8 312576 129864 tty7    Ss+  03:20  11:40 /usr/bin/X <- 128mbyte of rss for X.org on a unupgraded install from 6.06.1 cd, and growing with time, aka memory leak. is it a known bug ?
[08:06] <Riddell> zorglu_: we don't maintain X here
[08:06] <zorglu_> ok you mean this is not the proper place to do bugs and stuff ?
[08:07] <Riddell> zorglu_: not for X, we just do KDE
[08:07] <zorglu_> ok
[08:07] <hunger_> zorglu_: How much video ram do you have? IIRC that is included in the mem requirements of the X server.
[08:09] <zorglu_> hunger_: not sure, 64mbyte taken from the main ram (aka not included in the video card), but the fact this is consistently growing with time, seems to show a memory leak. its is cool, i can reboot X once or twice a day as a manual garbage collector :)
[08:10] <hunger_> zorglu_: Closing your apps does not help?
[08:10] <zorglu_> nope
[08:11] <hunger_> zorglu_: X uses shared mem with apps... that is reported for both X and the apps. So X seems to grow with the number of apps opened.
[08:13] <hunger_> zorglu_: ... or it might just leak memory like mad;-)
[08:13] <zorglu_> yep, about that, i was wondering about the 'funky stuff' done by kde to speed up the apps launch... are the apps actually closed/terminated as in freeing their X memory ? or are they kept in a idle state somewhere ? (even if no window of it appears anywhere)
[08:14] <zorglu_> like i have a 'konqueror --silent' process using 21mbyte of rss when i have no konqueror running
[08:14] <hunger_> zorglu_: From what I understand it just plays tricks with dlopen/mmap to speed up loading. It should not effect terminating apps (but I am no expert).
[08:15] <zorglu_> ok
[08:20] <imbrandon> okies i'm off for a while, i think the backport issue was just only with k3b , amarok is officialy in the archive now ( https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/247050  <-- success build log for i386 )
[08:21] <zorglu_> hunger_: before rebooting X (with all apps closed) i had 237mbyte free with swap+ram, after rebooting X, i have 570. i definitly got a leak :)
[08:22] <zorglu_> ok sorry for the offtopic
[08:22] <hunger_> zorglu_: Where do you get those numbers from? The ram measurement tools are somewhat unreliable.
[09:16] <JohnFlux> Hey al
[09:16] <JohnFlux> all also
[09:16] <Riddell> hi JohnFlux 
[09:17] <Riddell> everyone welcome our newest Kubuntu developer, JohnFlux!
[09:17] <JohnFlux> :P
[09:17] <JohnFlux> In amarok, when you play an mp3 it offers to download the packages for you
[09:17] <JohnFlux> however it needs to set the focus correctly
[09:18] <JohnFlux> focus stealing preventation stops the user from usually seeing the dialog box it pops up
[09:18] <Riddell> not sure how to get round that
[09:18] <JohnFlux> well how is the program launched?
[09:19] <JohnFlux> you just have to set the user timestamp to that of the program that launched it
[09:19] <JohnFlux> full details in the kwin/ directory
[09:19] <JohnFlux> but it's fairly straightforward
[09:19] <JohnFlux> quite a few programs in kubuntu suffer this problem
[09:20] <JohnFlux>  kdebase/kwin/README
[09:20] <Riddell> JohnFlux: it's in /usr/share/services/amarok_xine-mp3_install.desktop
[09:20] <Riddell> which runs /usr/lib/amarok/install-mp3
[09:21] <Riddell> which just uses kdialog
[09:22] <Riddell> well, and kdesu and adept
[09:23] <Riddell> :)
[09:25] <mornfall> what's the default terminal text editor in kubuntu?
[09:25] <gnomefreak> Riddell: koffice 1.6 is named 1.5.91-0ubuntu1?
[09:25] <gnomefreak> mornfall: terminal is konsole
[09:25] <gnomefreak> text ed. is kate i think
[09:25] <mornfall> obviously...
[09:25] <Riddell> gnomefreak: so far
[09:25] <mornfall> er
[09:25] <mornfall> i mean
[09:25] <Riddell> mornfall: nano
[09:25] <mornfall> Riddell: yes! thanks
[09:25] <mornfall> that's what i was asking :)
[09:29] <gnomefreak> ok ty Riddell 
[09:32] <JohnFlux> Riddell: hi
[09:32] <Riddell> hi JohnFlux 
[09:32] <JohnFlux> Riddell: okay the best way to do this is:  install-mp3  needs to take an argument - the winid of amarok
[09:33] <JohnFlux> Riddell: kdialog  should then use   --embed <winid>
[09:33] <JohnFlux> Riddell: the .desktop file when called from amarok needs to pass this info
[09:34] <Riddell> hmm, tricky, we'd need to get the amarok winid somehow
[09:34] <JohnFlux> well ideally this should be done from amarok
[09:34] <JohnFlux> but we can cheat
[09:34] <JohnFlux> and use the cookiejar d
[09:35] <Riddell> how do we use that?
[09:36] <JohnFlux> Riddell: how does amarok call the desktop file?
[09:37] <Riddell> not sure, I'd guess it reads it in KConfig for the Exec line and uses KProcess to use it, but I don't kow
[09:42] <JohnFlux> Riddell: I think this really needs to be passed at the amarok level
[09:44] <Riddell> JohnFlux: look like we need to find mxcl
[09:45] <JohnFlux> ow
[09:46] <Riddell> Mez: could you put the spellcatalogue into the next release of katapult
[09:46] <Riddell> Mez: and the edgy display
[09:52] <Mez> Riddell: It's in the bzr branch already ;) but - no problems ;)
[09:52] <Mez> though I'm still waiting for BT to come out and install my phone line so I can get internet at home
[09:54] <JohnFlux> Riddell: does mxcl come on occasionally?
[09:55] <Riddell> JohnFlux: occationally, or we could e-mail him max.howell@methylblue.com
[09:55] <Riddell> JohnFlux: note that he only does the amarok side, the install-mp3 script is our doing
[10:09] <Mez> Tonio_, ping
[10:12] <Tonio_> Mez: ping ?
[10:12] <GNUr> apt-get give me a segfault error... it's a new bug?
[10:12] <GNUr> it'a my apt-get bug?
[10:12] <jdong> GNUr: haven't you had this problem before?
[10:12] <jdong> or was it someone else?
[10:13] <jdong> and none of my apts are segfaulting :)
[10:13] <JohnFlux> Riddell: related to chris howell?
[10:13] <Tonio_> Mez: I'm there
[10:13] <GNUr> jdong: this is the first time... i've just upgraded my box
[10:13] <jdong> hmm, don't know what to tell you
[10:14] <jdong> other than I've heard someone else having this problem before
[10:14] <jdong> and nobody else seems to have it :)
[10:14] <jdong> try reinstalling apt, I guess?
[10:14] <GNUr> ok..
[10:14] <GNUr> jdong: sorry for my bad english =)
[10:15] <GNUr> ~] >apt-get install apt-get --reinstall
[10:15] <GNUr> Segmentation faulta dei pacchetti in corso... 0%
[10:15] <GNUr> it's impossible O_o
[10:16] <Mez> Tonio_ - you said that you're using edgy with amarok1.4.3 and katapult launching tracks works ?
[10:17] <yuriy> hi Riddell
[10:17] <yuriy> it looks in /usr/lib, then in /usr/local/lib
[10:17] <Tonio_> Mez: yes it works here
[10:18] <imbrandon> Mez: i'm not on my kubuntu box atm but it works for me too
[10:18] <yuriy> and umm yeah i guess i need to fix that. still trying to get a patch in for winebrowser (what a pain)
[10:19] <Mez> using >=1.4.2?
[10:20] <imbrandon> mez yea
[10:20] <imbrandon> edgy and 2:1.4.3-0ubuntu6
[10:21] <Mez> what version of katapult ?
[10:21] <Mez> Tonio: what was with the tarball rebuild for katapult ?
[10:21] <imbrandon> casnt check atm but latest edgy as of last night
[10:22] <Mez> Tonio_ *
[10:22] <Mez> weird ...
[10:22] <Mez> imbrandon - do this
[10:22] <imbrandon> mez i'm in osx atm ;(
[10:22] <Mez> dcop amarok collection query "SELECT url from tags LIMIT 1,1"
[10:23] <Mez> :'(
[10:23] <imbrandon> rember i did that 
[10:23] <imbrandon> it returned a track
[10:23] <Mez> yeah - and back then it didnt work ...
[10:23] <Mez> some reason it's now working
[10:23] <imbrandon> yea it returned a track from /media/server/brandon/.....
[10:24] <Riddell> yuriy: but if it's not installed in either it should still start up
[10:24] <Ingmar^> GNUr: I fixed a segfaulting apt-get by deleting the /var/cache/apt/*bin files ( there's 2 of them) then apt-get update -ing
[10:24] <Tonio_> Mez: yeah strange, but that's it
[10:24] <Tonio_> it works here
[10:26] <jdong> GNUr: hehe, of course, can't use apt to install apt if apt is segfaulting.... sorry about that silliness
[10:27] <Mez> Tonio_, can you do his
[10:27] <Mez> dcop amarok collection query "SELECT url from tags LIMIT 1,1"
[10:27] <GNUr> Ingmar^:  now works! =) my solution is: run apt-get with all entry commented in source.list 
[10:27] <jdong> what did you have in your sources.list that could make apt choke that badly?
[10:27] <GNUr> Ingmar^: thnx however! =)
[10:28] <Mez> Riddell: with KDE's SVN - how do I get the admin directory checked out so I can build ?
[10:28] <Ingmar^> GNUr: you're welcome :-)
[10:29] <Tonio_> Mez: 
[10:29] <Tonio_> tonio@kubuntu:~$ dcop amarok collection query "SELECT url from tags LIMIT 1,1"
[10:29] <Tonio_> object not accessible
[10:29] <GNUr> jdong: i'm using a default source.list with all entry uncommented!
[10:29] <GNUr> Ingmar^: =)
[10:29] <Tonio_> Mez: oups, needs to be launched maybe ;)
[10:29] <Tonio_> lol
[10:29] <Mez> Tonio ;)
[10:29] <imbrandon> svn co svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/KDE/3.5/kde-common/admin
[10:29] <Tonio_> dcop amarok collection query "SELECT url from tags LIMIT 1,1"
[10:29] <Tonio_> ./Datas/Musiques/Albums/Ben Harper/Burn To Shine/01 - Alone.mp3
[10:29] <imbrandon> mez ^^
[10:29] <Mez> Tonio_, why did you have to rebuild the katapult tarball
[10:29] <Tonio_> Mez: no pb
[10:30] <Mez> Tonio_, now try using katapult to launch that track
[10:30] <GNUr> the segfault was in a stat64(bad_file_argument)
[10:30] <Tonio_> Mez: okay
[10:31] <Tonio_> Mez: yeah I launched the file with katapult
[10:31] <Tonio_> works
[10:31] <Mez> and plays ?
[10:31] <Ingmar^> could someone tell me what script checks for the available cpu frequences, when you boot with upstart ?
[10:31] <Ingmar^> if i boot, i only get the max freq, so apparently I need to manually load those modules each boot :(
[10:31] <Tonio_> Mez: yes, it works as it is supposed to be
[10:31] <jdong> Ingmar^: /etc/init.d/powernowd.early
[10:32] <Mez> Tonio_ weird
[10:32] <jdong> Ingmar^: what kind of CPU are you working with?
[10:32] <Tonio_> Mez: hehe
[10:32] <Ingmar^> ty
[10:32] <Ingmar^> intel Pentium M 1.6 gHz
[10:32] <jdong> hmm, strange that doesn't work out-of-the-box....
[10:32] <jdong> :-/
[10:33] <Mez> Tonio_, and still you havent answered ...
[10:33] <Tonio_> Mez: which question ? Why i rebuilt it ?
[10:33] <Ingmar^> jdong: indeed, and i'd like to make / have a fix for edgy final :-)
[10:33] <jdong> Ingmar^: does powernowd.early start properly?
[10:33] <Ingmar^> let me see
[10:34] <jdong> Ingmar^: my core duo worked out of the box, which uses the same cpufreq modules as your P-M
[10:34] <imbrandon> Ingmar^: best to poke keybuk when he is arround in #ubuntu-devel he handles most all of that
[10:34] <Ingmar^> alright, i'll do that
[10:34] <jdong> Ingmar^: mjg59 was real helpful the last time I had powernowd issues, too
[10:35] <Mez> Tonio_, yes
[10:35] <Ingmar^> someone told me how to manually load those modules, so it's not that bad for me
[10:35] <jdong> Ingmar^: the thing is, you should never ever have to do that on a pentium M
[10:35] <Tonio_> Mez: hum, I could have patched cvs.sh yes :)
[10:36] <jdong> Ingmar^: so something's wrong.. either with powernowd.early or with your edgy install :)
[10:36] <Ingmar^> jdong: true, but i haven't found anyone else with the same problem :)
[10:36] <Tonio_> Mez: that's true, but well.... it is always better when autobla is used to use a modern admin folder
[10:36] <jdong> Ingmar^: in that case, you'll have better luck poking mjg59 than keybuk :)
[10:38] <Mez> Tonio_, oh, the admin dir wasnt consistent with KDE's SVN ?
[10:38] <imbrandon> svn co svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/KDE/3.5/kde-common/admin admin
[10:38] <imbrandon> err
[10:38] <Ingmar^> jdong: will do
[10:39] <Ingmar^> jdong & imbrandon : thanks
[10:39] <GNUr> my audio card don't work properly with the 2.6.17-7-generic (snd_via82xx). if i reboot edgy with a old dapper kernel (2.6.15-23) all wark fine...
[10:40] <Ingmar^> GNUr: lsmod | grep snd
[10:43] <GNUr> Ingmar^: i can hear the sound, but it's is not "continous"... i've tryed mplayer and xine based application, like amarok... and the bug persist.. it's a kernel problem
[10:44] <Ingmar^> ah
[10:46] <Tonio_> Mez: nope it was an old version
[10:57] <kwwii_> arrr...y'er luck, matey
[10:57] <kwwii_> :p
[10:57] <Mez> Riddell: ping
[11:00] <Mez> Tonio_, want to try out some new debs ?
[11:04] <Tonio_> Mez: hum, no time today, possible tomorrow ?
[11:04] <Tonio_> Mez: sorry but I'm on a server migration, so it is a bit hot now ;)
[11:04] <_Sime_> Tonio_: hi, is ubuntu22 the latest kdebase version?
[11:04] <Tonio_> _Sime_: yes
[11:04] <Mez> Tonio_, no problems
[11:05] <_Sime_> Tonio_: I just did a apt-get source kdebase and saw that kubuntu_73_nomediaioslave_mounthelper.diff is the old version.
[11:05] <Mez> bug 58178
[11:05] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 58178 in katapult "Opening config dialog gives segfault on edgy" [Untriaged,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/58178
[11:05] <Mez> bug 56918
[11:05] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 56918 in katapult "doesn't produce anything on edgy" [Medium,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/56918
[11:06] <Tonio_> _Sime_: hu ?????????,
[11:06] <_Sime_> Tonio_: -rw-r--r-- 1 sbe sbe 15882 2006-09-19 22:07 kubuntu_73_nomediaioslave_mounthelper.diff
[11:06] <_Sime_> Tonio_: does the length match what you have locallly?
[11:06] <_Sime_> Tonio_: 15882 byte
[11:06] <Tonio_> _Sime_: I put the V4 patch yesterday.......
[11:06] <_Sime_> Tonio_: was the source uploaded? 
[11:06] <Tonio_> _Sime_: yes.......
[11:07] <_Sime_> Tonio_: my patch was bad. sorry.
[11:08] <Tonio_> _Sime_: ........ ;)
[11:08] <Tonio_> _Sime_: instead of keeping all patches version
[11:09] <Tonio_> remove them all and just have one online
[11:09] <Tonio_> and possibly name them like in kdebase
[11:09] <_Sime_> Tonio_: man, all theses patches and versions piss me off.
[11:09] <Tonio_> that will avoid errors in the future :)
[11:09] <Tonio_> _Sime_: shoot them all
[11:09] <Tonio_> just keep the last
[11:10] <_Sime_> Tonio_: it is hard because I try test on the same version as what edgy is using.
[11:11] <Tonio_> _Sime_: yes I understand........
[11:11] <Tonio_> _Sime_: should I upgrade the patch once again ? I can do it tomorrow
[11:11] <_Sime_> Tonio_: and with the debian stuff patching things all the time makes it hard too.
[11:12] <Tonio_> _Sime_: sure......
[11:12] <Tonio_> _Sime_: well can you put the new version online ? I'll prepare kdebase packages
[11:13] <andrunko> Riddell: you there?
[11:17] <_Sime_> Tonio_: the v5 patch is on the wiki. Once you have made the packages, just quickly test them by inserting a CD or USB stick etc. :-/
[11:27] <Tonio_> _Sime_: okay, will do, thanks
[11:47] <gnomefreak> is it possible to add webboard to kicker? i cant find it in any of my menus