[12:12] I do not think that they can do it in the installer legally [12:12] danimo: not more than an amarok script that installs mp3 support [12:12] it is exactly the same, and we already do that [12:12] so the package way seems a good alternative, no ? [12:12] Tonio_: I was surprised that that was allowed in [12:12] btw...anyone seen the new amarok theme? [12:12] danimo: me too.... [12:12] Tonio_: actually, I am surprised that universe/multiverse are hosted by them [12:13] danimo: but legally there is no difference between the mp3 install script and an installer option to activate universe and multiverse [12:13] Tonio_: (I don't belive that none of the ubuntu mirrors is) [12:13] danimo: universe is not a risk [12:13] danimo: concerning multiverse, I agree [12:13] Tonio_: isn't e.g. libmad in universe? [12:13] danimo: hum....... I don't think so [12:13] "sudo apt-get install universe-repo-config" is easier for the user as he can cut/paste the command and less error prone [12:14] danimo: haha ;) Filename: pool/main/libm/libmad/libmad0_0.15.1b-2.1_i386.deb [12:14] Tonio_: and the really "hot" stuff (libdeecss) isn't even in there [12:14] it is in MAIN [12:14] my god ! === beligum [n=beligum@d54C48D09.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:14] Tonio_: wtf? [12:14] danimo: maybe they bought the mp3 licence.... [12:14] Hi all [12:14] Tonio_: no, then it would be in the canonical extra repo [12:15] danimo: nope, since libmad0 is free, which opera isn't for example [12:15] I think the commercial repo is for proprietary softwares [12:15] hehe :) ok guys why not let their lawer handle the legal matter and focus on the usuability matter ? what about a package ? :) [12:15] like for example googleearth, it could go in the commercial repo one day [12:15] but that's just my feeling, maybe I'm wrong [12:16] the point is libmad0 is in main [12:16] Tonio_: does the changelog say something? [12:16] i am under the impression that such pacakge is trivial to write for people doing package all day, am i correct ? [12:16] danimo: let me check [12:17] Tonio_: never touched by ubuntu guys it seems [12:17] danimo: nope, nothing in the changelog [12:17] danimo: yes it is a direct sync from debian [12:18] Tonio_: aren't repo switches recorded somewhere? [12:19] danimo: look at main inclusion queue on the wiki.... [12:19] danimo: you should see it if it has been included in main [12:19] zorglu_: nope, not that easy to do, for a simple reason, it is impossible to guess what is the sources.list of the user [12:19] so it is not that easy of you want something clean [12:20] Tonio_: it's always been in main [12:20] Riddell: ah ? that's surprising, since there are parterns on mp3 I think [12:20] Riddell: just not on the cd? [12:20] zorglu_: that's why the ideal would be to ask that during the installation [12:20] danimo has it [12:20] zorglu_: but that'll never happen :) [12:20] makes do different what repository it's in [12:20] s/do/no/ [12:21] Tonio_: you dont have to modify the /etc/apt/sources.list, putting a new file in the /etc/apt/sources.d/ will do, no ? [12:21] Tonio_: yep i understand that modifying the installer wont be accepted, [12:21] Tonio_: however if you want to split out themp3 stuff from akode and tunepimp nobody would complain [12:22] Riddell: so is this why is the amarok script acceptable? [12:22] Riddell: no no, thank you :) [12:22] Riddell: and why does it include universe when libmad0 is in main? [12:22] danimo: libxine-extracodecs is in multiverse [12:23] Riddell: ok, but why not decouple mp3 support from there [12:23] danimo: from where? [12:23] Riddell: and why is libmad in main? [12:23] extracodecs [12:24] danimo: libmad is in main because of akode and tunepimp [12:24] Riddell: yes but you said "no matter what the repo is" [12:24] danimo: mp3 is in libxine-extracodecs because it can not go in libxine which is on the CD [12:25] btw would the issue of mp3 patent goes away if everybody start using the fluendo code (which is legal) ? [12:25] if by fluendo code you mean gstreamer, not really [12:26] since amarok and kaffeine don't currently support gstreamer [12:26] and people would still want to play mp3 files [12:26] zorglu_: afaik a patent cannot by avoided by any kind of code [12:26] could they hack some workaround ? like a wrapper ? [12:26] oh, you mean the fluendo gstreamer mp3 plugin [12:26] zorglu_: since the patent is on the "concept" or the simple access to a file format... [12:26] no, that's not GPL compatible [12:26] Tonio_: yep but fluendo paid for the patent http://www.fluendo.com/resources/fluendo_mp3.php [12:26] does gstreamer really bye a free-from-jail card for all gstreamer-users with their plugin? [12:26] zorglu_: if they paid, yes, that's different [12:27] rhmm too bad [12:27] danimo: no, it has copying restrictions [12:27] ok what about my suggestion about a package to ease the configuration of universe/multiverse ? [12:27] and amarok is GPL, so no go there [12:27] zorglu_: that's what we have, Amarok does that [12:27] in Edgy [12:28] ok, /me goes totally freaky and includes whatever the hell he likes...you'll be recieveing emails including instructions soon! [12:28] kwwii_: hehe :) [12:28] kwwii_: mind the beta next week [12:28] kwwii_: freeze on 21st [12:28] oh, no....no response means we'll run the limit :p [12:28] 21st [12:29] wow [12:29] Riddell: it would be nice to resolve the kdeprint issue before the beta is out, since it'll be widelly tested... [12:29] Riddell: the media stuff is totally broken for me btw :( [12:29] Riddell: after that, no more fun? just serious bug fixing? [12:29] Tonio_: true; danimo: true [12:29] kwwii_: in theory... [12:29] :)))))))) [12:29] gotcha [12:29] Riddell: when I insert a USB drive and the dialog opens, it tells me "invalid url" [12:29] the new concept of freezing :) [12:30] danimo: talk to _Sime_ [12:30] it is practically speaking the last chance to try something a bit different art-wise [12:30] Riddell: concerning kdeprint, I searched without any success.... just one thing is sure, the issue is not a simple 'foomatic-cleanupdrivers' :) [12:30] danimo: I guess we'll make a decision shortly after beta on whether we keep in those patches or not [12:30] ok is worthy for me to retry/rexmit later about the universe config package ? or it is just not a good idea ? [12:30] danimo: new kdebase upload should resolve this I assume [12:31] I still think we should use the yellow-purple version of the wallpaper [12:31] ok [12:31] kwwii_: current one is more popular === danimo likes it more, too [12:31] more purple looks too much sun'ish [12:33] Riddell: I still think I will reduce the saturation of the edges so that people don't think their monitor is broken [12:33] [00:33] ditte: Your sources list is incorrect [12:33] [00:33] ditte: You need to add multiverse to the lines that have universe on them [12:33] 10sec ago :) [12:33] ok i will rxmit later :) [12:33] zorglu_: yeah I know [12:34] zorglu_: Huh ? [12:34] Riddell: couldn't "add universe and multiverse" be asked by adept at the first launch ? [12:34] there are options to activate this in synaptic [12:34] Tonio_: patches welcome [12:34] Hawkwind: nothing personnal, i was just trying to get an easier way for the user to config their unniverse/multiverse [12:34] Riddell: will think about it, but adept's code is......... complicated for me :) [12:35] Hawkwind: and you just happened to deal with the Xieme user having this particular issue :) [12:35] zorglu_: As in using Adept I assume ? [12:35] zorglu_: Ah gotcha [12:35] bleh [12:35] ok, tomorrow we can update the k-d-s stuff...I have enough together to make it worth it [12:35] Hawkwind: more as in 'sudo apt-get install config-universe-repo' i think this is trivial to write such package, not too sure tho [12:35] mornfall: hehe, highlighting "adept" ? ;) === toma dances around, happily singing [12:35] Tonio_: yes, in this channel [12:35] i should stop :p [12:36] mornfall: hehe [12:36] zorglu_: Nice. That would certainly make life easier and less repetative :) [12:36] mornfall: so yes, how about an option to activate universe and multiverse ? [12:36] well [12:36] Hawkwind: push with me :) [12:36] mornfall: I agree it is the n1 issue for newbies on channels... [12:36] someone promised it'll be on by default [12:36] tabbed email, OMG that is fantastic [12:36] so i didn't care anymore [12:37] mornfall: ah ? [12:37] yes, it was due to be on by default [12:37] in paris at least [12:37] which is why we didn't look at it in paris [12:37] Repeating that over and over all the time gets a bit old. A simple command such as the one mentioned above would save tons of time for everyone and make life easier for new users [12:37] well that would be nice, but I'm surprised that could happen [12:37] Hawkwind: what's your problem? a little sour? or bitter? [12:38] 'sudo apt-get install config-universe-repo' which would simply add a file in /etc/apt/source.d/ <- how hard it is to write such package ? [12:38] mornfall: Neither actually. Just suggesting that we should make life as easy as possible when it comes to enabling repos [12:38] it's not hard to enable currently, right click->enable. writing a howto wouldn't be hard and make answering questions a URL [12:38] go and do :) [12:38] mornfall: I don't mind repeating myself. But a lot of users have asked how to simplify it if possible and unfortunately there doesn't seem to be such an option [12:39] does anyone see a console symbol when typing "konversation" in minicli? [12:39] Riddell: people finds it hard :) [12:39] yeah, the repo manager is screwed [12:40] Riddell: well you have to know what line to activate.... there are lots and lots of lines in the default sources.list [12:40] Riddell: for a newbie, that file is non very understandable, although it is not licalized.... [12:40] Tonio_: Riddell: yep i think that usning /etc/apt/sources.d would make the matter easier [12:40] zorglu_: how so? [12:41] append a line or add a file... sounds about same complexity [12:41] zorglu_: it wouldn't because none of the GUIs support it [12:41] it doesn't make much sense to have it controlled by a package IMO [12:41] it's a setting [12:41] Since everyone basically needs/wants both universe and multiverse, why not make them default ? [12:41] mornfall: you only have to copy/remove one file per repository, as opposed to edit a 'large' file [12:41] Riddell: this is a real argument :) [12:42] zorglu_: wow, large file :) dozens of lines, am scared :p [12:42] _Sime_: kdebase uploaded (finally...........) [12:42] Riddell: how many gui read this /etc/apt/sources.list [12:42] Tonio_: I agree. The file is not all that *user friendly* to a brand new linux user [12:42] zorglu_: all of them? === Ingmar^ [n=ingmar@d51A4875A.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:42] zorglu_: all GUIs [12:42] mornfall: you are not, but a beginner is :) it is not a impression i got, it is output from #kubuntu [12:42] umm [12:43] Riddell: how many is that ? :) i mean too many to be modified ? [12:43] zorglu_: come on, i was talking about a script [12:43] zorglu_: not about a newbie with an editor [12:43] zorglu_: it shouldn't be hard to script with pyqt or something a small dialog that has maybe some checkboxes in it and enables what needs to be enabled [12:43] or kommander if that's in default install [12:44] mornfall: it isn't :) === Tonio_ remembers he has his python book to read... === Riddell beds [12:44] good :) [12:44] Riddell: good idea [12:44] Riddell: night ! [12:45] well just wanted to point out this issue :) as a report from #kubuntu. not always easy to find out what is hard for beginner :) [12:46] night... [12:46] ok bed for me too [12:46] mornfall: good night [12:47] mornfall: that could even be done by a shellscript and kdialog I think... [12:47] mornfall: I'm having a look === yuriy is trying out ubuntu gnome === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:01] how does one reconfigure sound?? [01:02] as in,until now my sound does't work === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kwwii_ [n=kwwii@p549567F7.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === jdong_ [n=jdong@d192-24-235-141.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mdz [n=mdz@studiocity-motorola-bsr1-70-36-194-85.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === GNUr [n=gnucca_p@host11-35-static.25-87-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato [n=jucato@124.106.178.45] has joined #kubuntu-devel === yuriy [n=yuriy@dhcp-129-64-153-13.dorm.brandeis.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@221.221.160.156] has joined #kubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:14] Heya [03:15] hi bddebian! [03:15] Heya Jucato === marseillai [n=mars_@AMarseille-256-1-69-163.w90-4.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:46] *sigh*, no, the kernel update did not break your wine..... [03:46] Is that wine or whine? :-) [03:46] bddebian: I'm just amused what people are blaming on the recent kernel updates :) [03:46] grub errors, dpkg/status corruption.... [03:46] you name it :) [03:47] :-) [03:47] I think the latest kernel update broke my CPU and Canonical needs to buy me a Core Duo system.. ;-P [03:47] yeah, I think that happened here, too [03:47] I keep on typing in apt-get install conroe-extreme and nothing happens [03:47] Heh [03:49] I'm still awaiting a pony. [03:49] crimsun: your ALSA patches broke my pony :P [03:50] clarify? [03:51] No longer sounds coming from the appropriate orafices? [03:51] crimsun: I'm messing with you [03:51] I generally don't joke about alsa, so if it broke... [03:51] :) [03:52] bddebian: I used to have more mixer channels :) [03:52] jdong_: crimsun doesn't joke in general which is why he hates me :-) === jdong_ awaits new edgy kernel to test out alsa fixes [03:53] bddebian and I have history. Apparently he carted a pony intended for me to some animal rights organisation. [03:53] that coupled with the "no pony for you" picture was just too much to bear [03:53] heh === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:13] hiya Hobbsee! [04:13] Hobbsee!! :) [04:15] hey nixternal, Jucato === Hobbsee wonders why her system had trouble booting today [04:21] mine never has problems booting, just rebooting and shutting down [04:21] heh [04:21] :) === Jucato suddenly remembers to update Edgy on VMWare... === Hobbsee replaces her long pointy stick with her sword, for the day. ARRRRR! [04:30] ooh.... dangerous [04:31] pirate day? [04:31] yep [04:31] the guys in #amarok related channels are having fun with it :P [04:31] heh === Jucato cuts of his left hand and screws in a hook [04:39] Jucato: yarrr! [04:39] elow matey! :) [04:39] aye! [04:41] oh dear [04:41] someone take it away from her, please [04:42] I'd hate to be the one to do that :P [04:42] hehe [04:44] Jucato: then you distract her [04:44] heh [04:44] here Hobbsee Hobbsee. here girl... === SwordedHobbsee uses her sword on Jucato === Jucato runs away === Jucato runs away fast... [04:45] a few fast jabs were effective :) [04:45] :) === Jucato plans on taking Hobbsee's kangaroo hostage [04:45] you cant. [04:45] hah [04:45] hm... a pirate with a kangaroo instead of a parrot... [04:45] I thought it was a wombat? === insanekane [n=kane@202.83.34.69] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:48] no [05:17] oh no..quit yielding weapons Hobbsee ;) [05:17] hehe [05:24] nixternal: Any particular reason for jumping Debian on all these packages? [05:25] jumping them how? [05:25] i can't even jump rope [05:25] qucs for example. Debian has 0.9 and you have uploaded .10 :-) [05:26] how was i supposed to do it? [05:26] im a no0b at it, i apologize [05:26] I am asking if it was necessary? [05:26] probably get a DD to sponsor you, and sync it :P [05:26] Hobbsee: Debian doesn't have the version he uploaded :-) [05:26] Oh, a DD.. [05:26] bddebian: well, yes, obviously :P [05:26] Damn, I can't read tonight [05:26] hehe [05:28] bddebian: in the future, how should i go about this? so i don't "jump debian" [05:28] nixternal: If there is a valid reason it's fine. If not, probably best to poke Debian as Hobbsee suggests, if possible [05:29] ok, so if there is updates to a version, go through debian first? [05:29] Ideally but not always possible [05:30] debian maintainers aren't always responsive === bddebian didn't say that [05:30] ok..so if it is possible, poke one of their devs on oftc, let them know of the update, wait for them to update, and then request a sync? [05:30] or a merge [05:30] nixternal: Ideally sure. Or file a BTS bug and point to your diff/packages if you have already done the work [05:31] ok, BTS stands for? [05:31] build team... [05:31] heh [05:31] Bug Tracking System [05:31] omg [05:31] http://bugs.debian.org [05:31] ya [05:31] im there already looking dead at BTS ;) [05:31] poking people on irc may not be the best way at times [05:33] ok, so if i do my diff/packages, put them on revu, then i could place a link in the bug..got it...email as well, but im always on irc, so it is my main mode of communications [05:33] even my x-wife knows she can get me here before i answer the phone ;) [05:35] nixternal: Mine too and it bites me in the ass a lot :) [05:35] hahaha [05:35] i hear you [05:35] cuz she will sneak in on me [05:36] i stopped using Kopete as it gave me away [05:36] if i didn't ignore or accept i had that popup the entire time [05:38] Riddell: take a look at the latest revision to the release notes on the doc-svn that i just committed when you get a chance [05:40] bddebian: despite the debian stuff, which i will work on in the future, thanks for pointing that out, how is the packaging overall? I am learning, and with proper "pointy stick" handling im sure I will get it eventually ;) [05:42] nixternal: So far so good but damn, qucs is taking forever to build :-) [05:42] ya..i remember that as well ;) [06:21] metabar doesnt install and --force-overwrite dont work either [06:23] oh yeah, i was supposed to fix that, iirc. === Hobbsee is very lazy [06:25] thought i would let you know :) [06:26] gnomefreak: you could fix it yourself *looks hopefully* [06:26] :P [06:27] wish i got that far with packaging :( [06:27] awww... [06:27] i thought you had [06:27] what was the problem with metabar? [06:28] if force overwrite doesnt fix it? [06:28] i know why --force-overwrite didnt work :( its a png not a deb [06:29] but it wont overwrite /usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/metabar.png [06:29] what package currently owns it? [06:32] me screwed that up i was supposed to overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/metabar_0.7-0ubuntu2_i386.deb [06:32] holy crap it overwrites alot of crap [06:33] with --force [06:42] gnomefreak: this is why --force is considered bad :) [06:43] ajmitch: i know :) === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=clay@66.252.46.240] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm61.omega22.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _Sime_ wants to know why konversation still thinks that it can run around with having Cut, Copy and Paste menu items... Grrr [08:35] what's the edgy-way of doing cpu-scaling on cpus not supporting the ondemand kernel-thing? === isoss [n=isos@63.243.163.194] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:48] powernowd. === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === J-a-r [n=netstar@c83-252-125-31.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:41] Riddell: ping [09:45] hi imbrandon === hunger_ [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:48] moins Riddell ;) [09:49] heya is all thats needed for qmake is qt{3,4}-dev-tools ? [09:49] i'm trying to figure out where dholbach is doing wrong " MESSAGE Qt qmake not found! " [09:50] CMake Error: Error in cmake code at [09:50] /usr/share/CMake/Modules/FindQt4.cmake:857: [09:50] MESSAGE Qt qmake not found! [09:51] Build-Depends: cdbs, debhelper (>= 5), libqt4-core, cmake, qt4-dev-tools [09:51] do you have to export the directory or something? [09:52] i wouldent think so [09:52] no in an automated build [09:52] could be wrong [09:52] ahhh [09:52] qmake IS in the patch though [09:52] path* [09:53] brandon@horatio:~/devel/telepathy-qt/telepathy-qt-0.1.0$ qmake -v [09:53] Qmake version: 1.07a (Qt 3.3.6) [09:53] Qmake is free software from Trolltech AS. [09:53] it's finding qmake for qt 3, when it needs qt 4 qmake [09:54] ahh umm ok [09:55] so can qmake for qt4 be specified ? [09:55] would it be easier if i posted what he has so far somewhere for you to look at ? [09:56] I wonder if we should edit /usr/share/CMake/Modules/FindQt4.cmake [09:56] FIND_PROGRAM(QT_QMAKE_EXECUTABLE NAMES qmake qmake-qt4 PATHS [09:56] try swapping around qmake and qmake-qt4 in that line [09:56] k [09:58] same error [09:58] and i dont have a qmake-qt4 [09:58] brandon@horatio:~/devel/telepathy-qt/telepathy-qt-0.1.0$ qmake-qt4 [09:58] bash: qmake-qt4: command not found [09:58] ah, well [09:59] qmake is in /etc/alternatives probably a symlink to qmake-qt3 [09:59] ahh [09:59] well hrm [09:59] you should use qmake-qt4 [10:00] welp qt4-dev-tools dosent put qmake-qt4 in the path [10:00] you need libqt4-dev: [10:00] ok not -core [10:00] or both [10:02] woot , ok now its building , got another error but its building ;) [10:14] Riddell: http://pastebin.ca/175931 is a code problem not a build deb probelm correct ? [10:17] The following packages have unmet dependencies: libdbus-qt4-1-dev: Depends: libdbus-1-dev (= 0.62-4ubuntu4) but 0.92-2ubuntu2 is to be installed [10:17] E: Broken packages [10:18] ugh [10:19] needs dbus [10:20] I wonder if we can fix libdbus-qt4 === Jucato [n=jucato@58.69.26.104] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:20] hmm, no [10:20] the dbus package no longer includes it [10:20] that's quite silly [10:23] dbus package has dropped the bindings [10:23] imbrandon: so not much we can do until qt 4.2 comes out [10:24] Riddell: ok === el [n=konversa@port-83-236-238-37.static.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === el [n=konversa@port-83-236-238-37.static.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === el [n=konversa@port-83-236-238-37.static.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === el [n=konversa@port-83-236-238-37.static.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh_away is now known as \sh === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua_@122.0.229.179] has joined #kubuntu-devel === el [n=konversa@port-83-236-238-37.static.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:05] wow [11:05] lol [11:06] err, no join on invite, hmm, settings not right [11:06] Tm_T: *g* [11:06] I'm laughing out loud like crazy here :) [11:06] Tm_T: i +i'd you back in :) [11:06] yes, but it didn't autojoin when you invited [11:06] like it should, well, that's how I used to keep settings iirc [11:06] anyway, off ;) -> === Tonio__ [n=tonio@137.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:26] wb Hobbsee [11:26] ;) [11:26] heya [11:26] i had slight problems killing off irssi sessions [11:27] ;) === Lie_Ex [n=lieex@222.92.109.226] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@221.221.160.156] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:27] imbrandon: what's the new password to your machine? [11:28] is it the original, or what i changed it to? [11:28] umm i forgot to setup your account [11:28] hold on [11:28] heh [11:28] haha === freeflying [n=freeflyi@221.221.160.156] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@221.221.160.156] has joined #kubuntu-devel === FreeT15 [n=user@221.221.160.156] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@221.221.160.156] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@221.221.160.156] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@221.221.160.156] has joined #kubuntu-devel === goldenear [n=goldenea@vol75-4-82-225-33-186.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:53] fabo: going to do a new icecream upload to debian? === freeflying [n=freeflyi@221.221.160.156] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:56] Riddell: yes, 0.7.14-3 fixing init script issue [11:57] fabo: lets request a sync once that's in [11:57] Riddell: i've got many package to sync [11:57] :) [11:57] could you create a batch sync for me ;) [11:57] 9 days until cut off [11:57] can't do batch syncs, they have to be each reviewed by the archive admins [11:58] put me on whitelist :) [11:58] no whitelist I'm afraid, everyone needs to have syncs reviewed [11:58] fabo: do you have source packages? [11:59] fabo: I need to compile icecc now-ish for akademy [11:59] http://fboudra.free.fr/debian/icecc_0.7.14-2/icecc_0.7.14.orig.tar.gz [12:00] it was the .diff.gz I was after, but I can get it out of svn [12:01] Riddell: no builded yet, i can do it in 2 minutes ;) [12:01] not [12:11] Riddell: http://fboudra.free.fr/debian/icecc_0.7.14-3/icecc_0.7.14-3.dsc === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm61.omega22.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:12] thanks [12:12] abattoir: are you requesting sponsorship for the developers summit? [12:15] Riddell: I hope to, yes [12:15] Riddell: i'll add myself to the wiki page soon [12:16] install -D -p -m0644 debian/icecc.conf debian/icecc/etc/icecc/icecc.conf [12:16] install: cannot stat `debian/icecc.conf': No such file or directory [12:16] fabo: hmm ^^ [12:17] fabo: there's an icecc.config, should that be renamed or the install command fixed? [12:19] Riddell: there's icecc.conf and icecc.config [12:19] icecc.conf must be installed in /etc/icecc/ [12:19] and icecc.config you know the use [12:20] so the install command must be fixed [12:21] but it's strange... i don't understand why the command must be fixed ... === mbiebl [n=michael@dslb-084-057-240-002.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:22] fabo: there's no icecc.conf file in SVN === fabo hides === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:24] but it is in your package on fboudra.free.fr, so I can use that === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Ingmar^ [n=ingmar@d51A4875A.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lie_Ex [n=lieex@222.92.109.226] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === hunger_ is now known as hunger [01:26] hum, that lighttpd rocks ! [01:30] ello Tonio_ ;) [01:30] hi imbrandon :) [01:30] I'm on a complete apache2 -> lighttpd migration...... [01:30] hehe [01:30] so I'll not have a lot of free time today [01:31] it rocks except lighttpd documentation is a bit limited somtimes [01:31] i dont think there is alot going on [01:31] but it is REALLY light for the cpu and ram [01:31] I'm sick of apache2 [01:31] cool , support php_5 and python ? [01:31] okay it has 1000000 functionnalities, but who needs this ? [01:31] i've run apache for years, guess i'm just used to it heh [01:32] imbrandon: yes, but the ubuntu package provides a false config, so I had pain to activate php [01:32] ahh [01:32] if it has php/python/mysql support i might look at it [01:32] imbrandon: yes, as companies are used to oracle even they don't need 2% of what it does :) [01:32] thats all i use really [01:32] imbrandon: concerning mysql it is in php config, since it runs php with fastcgi [01:33] concerning python I didn't look at the moment, but I read it was supported [01:33] I may fix the package for correct config too [01:33] ouch, that will eat some cpu there cgi version of python and php are slow [01:33] imbrandon: nope ;) [01:33] fastcgi is really fast and doesn't eat your cpu [01:34] currently with 200 personns on my website, php-cgi uses 7% of the cpu [01:34] lighttpd 2% [01:34] nice [01:34] apache2 was running about 35% [01:35] yea i've been converting all my stuff to python.web lately, seems much more stable that way [01:35] but its a pain to setup [01:35] hehe [01:35] display looks globally a bit faster too [01:36] cool [01:38] hrm i cant find anything on the website about python support, but i'lll look at it more after i eat, looks cool [01:42] imbrandon: look for SCGI and lighttpd for python [01:43] yea i just found a howto [01:43] http://cleverdevil.org/computing/24/python-fastcgi-wsgi-and-lighttpd === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kwwii_ [n=kwwii@p549570DC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === n8k99 [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:24] avast ye mateys [02:27] yarr === Hobbsee waves her sword menacingly in greeting [02:30] heya n8k99 [02:31] Riddell: i just updated the amarok dapper packages if you wanna make a copy on kubuntu.org ( they are uptodate with edgy now ) still need backports etc etc etc http://www.imbrandon.com/packages/pool/dapper/amarok/ [02:31] all 3 arches btw [02:31] so, i have edgy on my TiBook now - nice work so far [02:31] imbrandon: nice! you're the amarok man :) [02:34] people are still using dapper ;) [02:40] nixternal: a few poor souls ;) [02:40] hehe [02:41] ok i'm gonna pop in the shower bbiab === nixternal doubles checks to make sure he isn't running Dapper somewhere after that comment ;) [02:42] wow you know what i just noticed? kmail hasent segfaulted all day, hrmm === imbrandon knocks on wood [02:42] hah [02:42] and *that* is why i dont use it for my email [02:42] huh? [02:42] heh well i cant get thunderbir to do what i want [02:43] BUT this last rebuild of kmail seem to stabize it out, dunno why, guess we'll see over the next few days [02:43] but normaly i get 1 or 2 segfaults an hour [02:44] kmail has always been very stable on my machines [02:44] yeh kmail is rock solid for me [02:44] i was using it daily fo rabout 4 months on my work email that saw tonnes of mail [02:45] in fact I live in Kdepim, if only kopete could be tightly integrated into it! [02:46] well it always was here till i switched to imap [02:46] aha! [02:46] imbrandon: hehe, same here [02:46] i have not done that - (thought I remembered you mentioning that yesterday) [02:46] Lathiat: yea i get many thousand emails a day ;) [02:46] litterly === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:47] ok shower ( /me stinks, ewwwwww ) bbiab [02:47] mm i dont get thousands [02:48] probably hundreds [02:48] ah imap [02:48] i found kmails imap actually to be quite good [02:48] but i think thunderbirds beats thema ll [02:48] yea about 2.5 to 2.8 a day avg [02:48] thundirbird is quite slow compared and dosent do all the stuff i'm used to in kmail [02:49] s/2.5 to 2.8/2.5k to 2.8k/ [02:49] depends on how much spam slips though ;) [02:49] the only thing i wish were availble in kmail is a plugin that allow you to stack the folders and email windows to allow the message to be full window === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:51] bah, KGlobalAccel doesn't work in pykde [03:01] I want the email address longpointystick@ubuntu.com too [03:01] now this is getting out of control scary style [03:01] :D === nixternal hides and cowers [03:01] haha [03:02] hey! it can match my hostmask :P [03:02] you can send email from that address [03:02] lol [03:02] the meeting's going slow enough... [03:02] right === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm61.omega22.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:11] mooh [03:11] ooh, nixternal is apllying to membership? [03:12] ignore mistyipng [03:12] what membership? [03:12] bah, more coffee -> [03:12] did i click "join" on another launchpad page and don't remember ;) [03:13] nixternal: nah, I''m having messy head, ignore me totally =) [03:13] haha === mbiebl [n=michael@tecov6131.teco.uni-karlsruhe.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua_@122.0.230.71] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee throws rotten eggs at nixternal [03:31] oh lord [03:31] what did i do now? === n8k99 [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] [03:31] i don't know whats worse, the eggs or that damn stick [03:31] nixternal: I assume you dared to smile [03:31] im tracing my steps right now, i don't see a ;) anywhere ;) [03:32] whoa, 2 of them right there..belay my last [03:32] nixternal: i'm watching this CC, and trying to push it along. [03:32] but why do i get the rotten egg attack? [03:33] you were the last to speak [03:33] did i do that? === Hobbsee throws rotten eggs at Tm_T so that nixternal doesnt feel left out [03:33] yep [03:33] =) [03:33] haha [03:33] throw them at jono, he took over the meeting [03:33] i didn't do anything ;) [03:34] he's having the best attempt at chairing, yes [03:34] we are in #ubuntu-locoteams making fun of it === hunger_ [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@mail.ottens.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:43] Howdy folks [03:44] Howdy me dear buccanneer! [03:44] yarrr matey bddebian! :) [03:45] Hmm did I not get the memo about Pirate day? :-) [03:45] Hello sebas, Jucato [03:46] bddebian: it started with the amarok people [03:47] I received the rss feed about it a few hours later after Hobbsee told me about it [03:48] Ah [03:48] Hi Hobbsee [03:48] bddebian: http://amarok.kde.org/blog/archives/240-guid.html [03:48] hi bddebian [03:49] Oh brother :-) [03:49] ;-) [03:50] bddebian: you have to get the planet.k.o feed if you wanna hang out with us ;) ( just teasin ) [03:50] lol [03:50] :-) [03:50] and if you wanna get a glimpse of imbrandon's face everytime he blogs about something [03:50] :P [03:51] Jucato: thats planet.u.c ;) [03:51] oh yeah [03:51] lol [03:51] imbrandon: why aren't you aggregated on planetkde? [03:51] planet.kde.org ;) ( almost all projects have a planet ) [03:51] Jucato: never emailed and ask to be i guess [03:51] dunno [03:52] ah [03:52] :) [03:52] sides i dunno how much a kubuntu developer would look, but i guess suse develoeprs are there [03:52] dunno , i might sometime [03:53] oh lord [03:53] imbrandon: Riddel and mdz (he's martin meredith right?) are there === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-048-233.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:54] Jucato: but they are also both upsteam kde develoeprs ;) [03:54] Jucato: yes thats mez [03:54] ah [03:54] Jucato: i dont have a upstream "home" [03:55] ( other than apt-mirror and pytunes but neither are in the kde svn and apt-mirror isnt even kde based ) heh === Jucato has still a lot to learn about this "upstream" stuff. :) [03:56] its pretty simple, look at it like this, ok a mountain peek, where a river starts right ? === claydoh [n=clay@66.252.46.240] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:56] uhuh [03:56] kde , linux kernel , etc are all at the "peek" of the mountain ( or where the river starts ) === dholbach [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/dholbach] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato listens attentively [03:57] heya [03:57] debian, is a little downstream and catches those parts and puts them togather, they are down stream === andrunko_ [n=andrunko@200.184.118.132] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:57] dholbach: :) [03:57] oh. and Ubuntu's further down? [03:57] then we are a little further downstream and catch debians parts ( and also some of kdes ) and re-put them togather diffrently [03:58] so debian is our upstream, kde is our upstream:upstream [03:58] andrunko_: made an observation wrt to qt-copy and kde4 - I hope somebody can help [03:58] oooh... [03:58] dholbach: sure , shoot [03:58] that should be "andrunko_ made an observation wrt to qt-copy and kde4 - I hope somebody can help" :) [03:58] hi guys, i am trying to compile telepathy-qt on edgy, it depends on libqt4-debug-dev-kdecopy~svn20060818-0ubuntu. but qt-copy (kde svn) is already updated [03:58] and they changed qdbusconnection.h [03:59] andrunko_: so our qt-copy package is out of date? [03:59] imbrandon: so Riddell and mez are like salmon that can swim upstream :) [03:59] Riddell: yep [03:59] ahh thats a Riddell poke ( well i /could/ do it but he is WAY more familiar with it ) [03:59] Jucato: exactly [03:59] it's fiddly [03:59] Riddell: so should i create a debian/patch dir, and fix telepathy-qt to compile and depend specifically on the version on edgy? [04:00] ok... why on earth did I compare them to salmon.. :) [04:00] andrunko_: that's probably the quickest thing [04:01] andrunko_: I can put updating qt-copy on my todo list but I don't know when I'll get round to it [04:01] oh wow installing libqt4-debug-dev-kdecopy wants remove 3/4 of the desktop , i ahte this new apt [04:01] Riddell: nice, i will do it === dholbach hugs andrunko_ and Riddell [04:01] you guys rock [04:01] imbrandon: I doubt it's apt's fault [04:01] hopefully qt 4.2 will be out soon then we can get rid of the -kdecopy lark [04:01] apt-get still using autoremove by default? === Riddell out for lunch for half an hour [04:02] Jucato: it never did [04:02] dholbach: well its that apt wants to remove everything once *-desktop is gone [04:02] I thought in Edgy it did? [04:02] imbrandon: you use apt-get? [04:02] dholbach: yup [04:02] dholbach: hold on , lemme pastebin [04:03] it auto-removes, if you run apt-get autoremove [04:03] look at all the stuff apt wants to remove after *-desktop is gone http://pastebin.ca/176190 === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:03] dholbach: yea but if you dont it spams you with a big list every time [04:04] that's interesting [04:04] imbrandon: you should have a chat with mvo. [04:04] is he alive/awake atm ? [04:04] yes [04:04] are we talking about autoremove again? [04:04] /join #ubuntu-devel [04:04] err [04:04] cf #ubuntu-devel [04:05] jdong: yes :P [04:05] imbrandon: holy crap you beat my record :) [04:06] jdong: thats a default edgy install [04:06] imbrandon: yeah, what metapackage(s) did you remove? === claydoh [n=clay@66.252.46.240] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:09] jdong: kubuntu-desktop [04:12] dholbach: hey ;) [04:12] hey Tonio_ [04:12] Yeah we discussed that with imbrandon and I must say I agree... [04:12] moins Tonio_ [04:12] dholbach: lots of people are removing kubuntu-desktop and then the ouput of apt gets very annoying :) === Tonio_ plays with eaccelerator and lighttpd and is very impressed [04:13] time to forget apache once and for all :) === jdong testing depoyment of lighttpd on the forums [04:14] jdong: vbulletin forums ? [04:14] jdong: cause I had a very annoying issue [04:14] Tonio_: yep [04:14] jdong: be sure to remove the "standard http headers" in vbulletin config [04:14] that setting is not compatible with lighttpd [04:14] ah, ok, thanks for the heads-up :) [04:14] jdong: you're welcome :) [04:15] jdong: please test it on our beloved you-know-what :) [04:15] see if it takes it down :P [04:15] jdong: that causes redirections on search.php and post.php to fail [04:15] Tonio_: yeah, that can get annoying :) [04:15] jdong: also, espacially on the forums, using eaccelerator improves the speed and reduces cpu usage a lot [04:15] alright, let's get off the topic of the f-word before you-know-who gets you-know-what :) [04:15] jdong: only problem is that we don't have a package for this....... [04:16] Tonio_: yeah, we wanted to use it but our apache segfaults when we tried :) [04:16] which is kind of bad [04:16] apparently it wasn't built with DSO support or something along those lines [04:16] jdong: works here, like a charm with lighttpd === Hobbsee looks at jdong's statement, and raises an eyebrow [04:16] Hobbsee: you missed the forums debate... :) [04:17] jdong: when was that on? [04:17] jdong: i think i was busy poking the meeting into order [04:17] Hobbsee: a few days back [04:17] oh [04:17] i thought i was there :P [04:17] oh, were you? [04:17] well, you kept pretty quiet then :) === jdong suddenly notices python 2.5 tarballs on python mirrors [04:18] jdong: I just finished my migration, so if you have any question, please ask [04:18] jdong: yes, i know when to keep my mouth shut, usually :P [04:19] Tonio_: absolutely, you'll be our #1 contact if we decide to go down that path :) [04:19] jdong: you learn pretty quickly when you're with people who are a lot bigger and stronger than you are :P [04:19] :) [04:20] whoa, would you look at that? python finally supports try/except/finally [04:20] without double-nesting try blocks [04:21] it only took them like 10 releases to get it! === jdong ducks [04:21] jdong: fwiw py 2.5 is in the edgy repos afaik [04:21] imbrandon: rc2 :) [04:21] yes [04:22] imbrandon: but final was out 1 hour ago... why isn't it in edgy yet :P === jdong bets our python junkies already have the upload going [04:23] Riddell: is there a howto/doc/something about importing streight UI files in py apps instead of pyuic ? or a simple-ish app i can disect .... [04:23] guys, what happened to the DVD download pages? [04:23] jdong: dir irl kthxbye ;) ( if you dont know thats a joke between me and Hobbsee ) [04:23] s/dir/die [04:23] heh [04:24] lol [04:24] :) === Hobbsee looks around for Riddell [04:24] Riddell: is there a howto/doc/something about importing streight UI files in py apps instead of pyuic ? or a simple-ish app i can disect .... [04:24] whoops sorry [04:24] wrong paste [04:25] Hobbsee, Riddell seems really busy today , heh ( if there is something we can help with let us konw Riddell ;P ) [04:25] its getting crunch time ;) [04:25] er.. I thought he went out for lunch? [04:25] oh goody, then i can kick you without gettign told off :P [04:26] not /ME/ , Jucato yea he is at lunch atm but i mean in general [04:26] ah [04:26] Hobbsee: leaste not in here save that for u-offtopic ;) [04:26] too bad you dont come into k-offtopic ;) [04:26] Hobbsee: would you happen to know why the DVD download pages are down? [04:26] we've been using that to discuss the CC meetings [04:27] Jucato: none at all. i dont even know where they are :P [04:27] http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php scroll to the bottom [04:27] Jucato: the dvd images are only for stable releases afaik ( eg breezy dapper ) [04:27] imbrandon: yes for Dapper. [04:28] the download page for Dapper DVD's... === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm61.omega22.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:28] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/dvd/current/ [04:28] that was easy ;) [04:28] well, because you knew where to look :P [04:29] cdimage.ubuntu.com ;) [04:29] poor soul in #kubuntu didn't even know where to start [04:29] well thats for edgy [04:29] yikes? [04:29] rawr... [04:29] looks like daily builds too [04:30] none for Dapper? [04:30] ummmbrowse cdimage, i'll look too [04:30] why do I get the strange feeling that a kernel update will break my laptop today? [04:31] jdong: becosue you have no faith ( and you obviously changed the default grub then becouse it will hold old kernels so no biggie ) [04:31] imbrandon: I got this, can you very if it's correct? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/dapper/release.1/ === andrunko_ [n=andrunko@200.184.118.132] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:32] imbrandon: my faith is greatly outshadowed by update paranoia :) [04:32] imbrandon: mainly because of how flaky my setups love to be [04:32] Jucato: yea there ya go [04:33] imbrandon: thanks! the "cdimage" part of the url is a bit misleading :P [04:33] jdong: yea you seem to have more problems than the avg joe, stop messin with things of the unknown ( and pickup an apple ) ;) [04:33] Jucato: its been cdimage since the early days of debian ;) [04:33] imbrandon: I don't think a mactel would have any easier a time.... [04:33] imbrandon: so now I learn a new thing. :) [04:33] imbrandon: compared to a centrino duo [04:33] jdong: it woudlnt be flackey hardware issues then ;) === Huahua [n=hua_@122.0.230.71] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:34] imbrandon: not flaky hardware.. flaky drivers for bleeding edge hardware [04:34] ... [04:34] imbrandon: you should've seen how much last-second nagging I had to do for my laptop to be supported by dapper :) === Jucato just tries to be careful with all updates in general after what happened last time... [04:34] and that is plain wrong ... [04:35] imbrandon: psssht, sabdfl was doing the same for ipw3945 support [04:35] but then again, he has the right to :) [04:35] ... [04:36] ugh sleep time bbl [04:36] heh === neoncode [n=neoncode@unaffiliated/neoncode] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua_@122.0.230.71] has joined #kubuntu-devel === el [n=konversa@port-83-236-238-37.static.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh is now known as \sh_away [05:16] k3b getting backported I see === el [n=konversa@port-83-236-238-37.static.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm61.omega22.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel === el [n=konversa@port-83-236-238-37.static.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === zorglu_ [n=zorglub@134.43.102-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === zorglu_ [n=zorglub@134.43.102-84.rev.gaoland.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [05:25] hmm, I see second or third set of kde packages today [05:30] Riddell: k3b backported? really? === jdong thought that was on hold due to soyuz being stupid :) === Kuhrscher [n=jannick@88.134.177.224] has joined #kubuntu-devel === el [n=konversa@port-83-236-238-37.static.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === eln [n=konversa@port-83-236-238-37.static.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === toma [n=toma@84-53-90-221.wxdsl.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-146-225.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === J-a-r [n=netstar@c83-252-125-31.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #kubuntu-devel === OdyX [n=Didier@181.68.62.81.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #kubuntu-devel === zorglu_ [n=zorglub@134.43.102-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-146-225.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:54] Riddell: scratch copying amarok to kubuntu.org, looks like backports is fixed ( and it just hit the buildd's for dapper ) [06:54] yay [06:54] ;) === insanekane [n=kane@202.83.34.69] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:55] Accepted: [06:55] OK: amarok_1.4.3-0ubuntu6~dapper1.dsc [06:55] -> Component: main Section: kde [06:55] OK: amarok_1.4.3.orig.tar.gz [06:55] OK: amarok_1.4.3-0ubuntu6~dapper1.diff.gz [06:55] ;) === Ingmar^ [n=ingmar@d51A482FD.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === poningru_ [n=poningru@n128-227-185-145.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === GNUr [n=gnucca_p@140.105.132.58] has joined #kubuntu-devel === el [n=konversa@port-83-236-238-37.static.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === GNUr [n=gnucca_p@140.105.132.58] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete:] [07:12] fabo: icecc -2 got into ubuntu :) [07:21] oh wow , i dont think i should be seeing the accept/reject buttons on the NEW queue on LP === imbrandon go's to talk to the guys in #launchpad [07:21] Riddell: request another sync or -2ubuntu1 :) [07:30] _Sime_, sebas: it looks like mountconfig needs some fixes for the UUID changes === Huahua [n=hua_@122.0.230.71] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:33] "OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/local/lib/wine'" hmm, wineconfig not too functional [07:34] yuriy: wineconfig should do something sensible when wine isn't available [07:34] yuriy: and does it only look in /usr/local? [07:38] ummm, is krita not a part of edgy defualt? [07:39] kwwii_: it does seem to have wandered [07:39] kwwii_: however koffice is broken on ppc just now [07:40] yay, taskjuggler got into the archive [07:41] Riddell: ok, thanks === apachelogger [n=me@N834P017.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:04] root 4993 1.1 28.8 312576 129864 tty7 Ss+ 03:20 11:40 /usr/bin/X <- 128mbyte of rss for X.org on a unupgraded install from 6.06.1 cd, and growing with time, aka memory leak. is it a known bug ? [08:06] zorglu_: we don't maintain X here [08:06] ok you mean this is not the proper place to do bugs and stuff ? [08:07] zorglu_: not for X, we just do KDE [08:07] ok [08:07] zorglu_: How much video ram do you have? IIRC that is included in the mem requirements of the X server. [08:09] hunger_: not sure, 64mbyte taken from the main ram (aka not included in the video card), but the fact this is consistently growing with time, seems to show a memory leak. its is cool, i can reboot X once or twice a day as a manual garbage collector :) [08:10] zorglu_: Closing your apps does not help? [08:10] nope [08:11] zorglu_: X uses shared mem with apps... that is reported for both X and the apps. So X seems to grow with the number of apps opened. [08:13] zorglu_: ... or it might just leak memory like mad;-) [08:13] yep, about that, i was wondering about the 'funky stuff' done by kde to speed up the apps launch... are the apps actually closed/terminated as in freeing their X memory ? or are they kept in a idle state somewhere ? (even if no window of it appears anywhere) [08:14] like i have a 'konqueror --silent' process using 21mbyte of rss when i have no konqueror running [08:14] zorglu_: From what I understand it just plays tricks with dlopen/mmap to speed up loading. It should not effect terminating apps (but I am no expert). [08:15] ok === zorglu_ [n=zorglub@134.43.102-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:20] okies i'm off for a while, i think the backport issue was just only with k3b , amarok is officialy in the archive now ( https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/247050 <-- success build log for i386 ) [08:21] hunger_: before rebooting X (with all apps closed) i had 237mbyte free with swap+ram, after rebooting X, i have 570. i definitly got a leak :) [08:22] ok sorry for the offtopic [08:22] zorglu_: Where do you get those numbers from? The ram measurement tools are somewhat unreliable. === claydoh [n=clay@66.252.46.240] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=clay@66.252.46.240] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Ingmar^ [n=ingmar@d51A482FD.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === chavo [n=chavo@69-166-74-89.atlsfl.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === GNUr [n=gnucca_p@140.105.132.58] has joined #kubuntu-devel === JohnFlux [n=JohnFlux@konversation/developer/JohnFlux] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:16] Hey al [09:16] all also [09:16] hi JohnFlux [09:17] everyone welcome our newest Kubuntu developer, JohnFlux! [09:17] :P [09:17] In amarok, when you play an mp3 it offers to download the packages for you [09:17] however it needs to set the focus correctly [09:18] focus stealing preventation stops the user from usually seeing the dialog box it pops up [09:18] not sure how to get round that [09:18] well how is the program launched? [09:19] you just have to set the user timestamp to that of the program that launched it [09:19] full details in the kwin/ directory [09:19] but it's fairly straightforward [09:19] quite a few programs in kubuntu suffer this problem === yveslu [n=yves@194.235.200.92] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:20] kdebase/kwin/README [09:20] JohnFlux: it's in /usr/share/services/amarok_xine-mp3_install.desktop [09:20] which runs /usr/lib/amarok/install-mp3 [09:21] which just uses kdialog [09:22] well, and kdesu and adept === mornfall wanders by [09:23] :) [09:25] what's the default terminal text editor in kubuntu? [09:25] Riddell: koffice 1.6 is named 1.5.91-0ubuntu1? [09:25] mornfall: terminal is konsole [09:25] text ed. is kate i think [09:25] obviously... [09:25] gnomefreak: so far [09:25] er [09:25] i mean [09:25] mornfall: nano [09:25] Riddell: yes! thanks [09:25] that's what i was asking :) [09:29] ok ty Riddell [09:32] Riddell: hi [09:32] hi JohnFlux [09:32] Riddell: okay the best way to do this is: install-mp3 needs to take an argument - the winid of amarok [09:33] Riddell: kdialog should then use --embed [09:33] Riddell: the .desktop file when called from amarok needs to pass this info [09:34] hmm, tricky, we'd need to get the amarok winid somehow [09:34] well ideally this should be done from amarok [09:34] but we can cheat [09:34] and use the cookiejar d [09:35] how do we use that? [09:36] Riddell: how does amarok call the desktop file? [09:37] not sure, I'd guess it reads it in KConfig for the Exec line and uses KProcess to use it, but I don't kow [09:42] Riddell: I think this really needs to be passed at the amarok level === Mez [i=Brummi3@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:44] JohnFlux: look like we need to find mxcl === Mez pokes JohnFlux [09:45] ow [09:46] Mez: could you put the spellcatalogue into the next release of katapult [09:46] Mez: and the edgy display [09:52] Riddell: It's in the bzr branch already ;) but - no problems ;) [09:52] though I'm still waiting for BT to come out and install my phone line so I can get internet at home [09:54] Riddell: does mxcl come on occasionally? [09:55] JohnFlux: occationally, or we could e-mail him max.howell@methylblue.com [09:55] JohnFlux: note that he only does the amarok side, the install-mp3 script is our doing === yveslu [n=yves@194.235.200.92] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] === GNUr [n=gnucca_p@140.105.132.58] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete:] === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-53-199.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === GNUr [n=gnucca_p@140.105.132.58] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:09] Tonio_, ping [10:12] Mez: ping ? [10:12] apt-get give me a segfault error... it's a new bug? [10:12] it'a my apt-get bug? [10:12] GNUr: haven't you had this problem before? [10:12] or was it someone else? === toma [n=toma@84-53-90-221.wxdsl.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:13] and none of my apts are segfaulting :) [10:13] Riddell: related to chris howell? [10:13] Mez: I'm there [10:13] jdong: this is the first time... i've just upgraded my box [10:13] hmm, don't know what to tell you [10:14] other than I've heard someone else having this problem before [10:14] and nobody else seems to have it :) [10:14] try reinstalling apt, I guess? [10:14] ok.. [10:14] jdong: sorry for my bad english =) [10:15] ~] >apt-get install apt-get --reinstall [10:15] Segmentation faulta dei pacchetti in corso... 0% [10:15] it's impossible O_o [10:16] Tonio_ - you said that you're using edgy with amarok1.4.3 and katapult launching tracks works ? [10:17] hi Riddell [10:17] it looks in /usr/lib, then in /usr/local/lib [10:17] Mez: yes it works here === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:18] Mez: i'm not on my kubuntu box atm but it works for me too [10:18] and umm yeah i guess i need to fix that. still trying to get a patch in for winebrowser (what a pain) [10:19] using >=1.4.2? [10:20] mez yea [10:20] edgy and 2:1.4.3-0ubuntu6 [10:21] what version of katapult ? [10:21] Tonio: what was with the tarball rebuild for katapult ? [10:21] casnt check atm but latest edgy as of last night [10:22] Tonio_ * [10:22] weird ... [10:22] imbrandon - do this [10:22] mez i'm in osx atm ;( [10:22] dcop amarok collection query "SELECT url from tags LIMIT 1,1" [10:23] :'( [10:23] rember i did that [10:23] it returned a track [10:23] yeah - and back then it didnt work ... [10:23] some reason it's now working [10:23] yea it returned a track from /media/server/brandon/..... [10:24] yuriy: but if it's not installed in either it should still start up [10:24] GNUr: I fixed a segfaulting apt-get by deleting the /var/cache/apt/*bin files ( there's 2 of them) then apt-get update -ing [10:24] Mez: yeah strange, but that's it [10:24] it works here [10:26] GNUr: hehe, of course, can't use apt to install apt if apt is segfaulting.... sorry about that silliness [10:27] Tonio_, can you do his [10:27] dcop amarok collection query "SELECT url from tags LIMIT 1,1" [10:27] Ingmar^: now works! =) my solution is: run apt-get with all entry commented in source.list [10:27] what did you have in your sources.list that could make apt choke that badly? [10:27] Ingmar^: thnx however! =) [10:28] Riddell: with KDE's SVN - how do I get the admin directory checked out so I can build ? [10:28] GNUr: you're welcome :-) === neoncode [n=neoncode@unaffiliated/neoncode] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:29] Mez: [10:29] tonio@kubuntu:~$ dcop amarok collection query "SELECT url from tags LIMIT 1,1" [10:29] object not accessible [10:29] jdong: i'm using a default source.list with all entry uncommented! [10:29] Ingmar^: =) [10:29] Mez: oups, needs to be launched maybe ;) [10:29] lol [10:29] Tonio ;) [10:29] svn co svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/KDE/3.5/kde-common/admin [10:29] dcop amarok collection query "SELECT url from tags LIMIT 1,1" [10:29] ./Datas/Musiques/Albums/Ben Harper/Burn To Shine/01 - Alone.mp3 [10:29] mez ^^ [10:29] Tonio_, why did you have to rebuild the katapult tarball [10:29] Mez: no pb [10:30] Tonio_, now try using katapult to launch that track [10:30] the segfault was in a stat64(bad_file_argument) [10:30] Mez: okay [10:31] Mez: yeah I launched the file with katapult [10:31] works === JohnFlux_ [n=JohnFlux@cpc1-brig4-0-0-cust614.brig.cable.ntl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:31] and plays ? [10:31] could someone tell me what script checks for the available cpu frequences, when you boot with upstart ? [10:31] if i boot, i only get the max freq, so apparently I need to manually load those modules each boot :( [10:31] Mez: yes, it works as it is supposed to be [10:31] Ingmar^: /etc/init.d/powernowd.early [10:32] Tonio_ weird [10:32] Ingmar^: what kind of CPU are you working with? [10:32] Mez: hehe [10:32] ty [10:32] intel Pentium M 1.6 gHz [10:32] hmm, strange that doesn't work out-of-the-box.... [10:32] :-/ [10:33] Tonio_, and still you havent answered ... [10:33] Mez: which question ? Why i rebuilt it ? [10:33] jdong: indeed, and i'd like to make / have a fix for edgy final :-) [10:33] Ingmar^: does powernowd.early start properly? [10:33] let me see [10:34] Ingmar^: my core duo worked out of the box, which uses the same cpufreq modules as your P-M [10:34] Ingmar^: best to poke keybuk when he is arround in #ubuntu-devel he handles most all of that [10:34] alright, i'll do that [10:34] Ingmar^: mjg59 was real helpful the last time I had powernowd issues, too [10:35] Tonio_, yes [10:35] someone told me how to manually load those modules, so it's not that bad for me [10:35] Ingmar^: the thing is, you should never ever have to do that on a pentium M [10:35] Mez: hum, I could have patched cvs.sh yes :) [10:36] Ingmar^: so something's wrong.. either with powernowd.early or with your edgy install :) [10:36] jdong: true, but i haven't found anyone else with the same problem :) [10:36] Mez: that's true, but well.... it is always better when autobla is used to use a modern admin folder [10:36] Ingmar^: in that case, you'll have better luck poking mjg59 than keybuk :) [10:38] Tonio_, oh, the admin dir wasnt consistent with KDE's SVN ? [10:38] svn co svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/KDE/3.5/kde-common/admin admin [10:38] err [10:38] jdong: will do [10:39] jdong & imbrandon : thanks [10:39] my audio card don't work properly with the 2.6.17-7-generic (snd_via82xx). if i reboot edgy with a old dapper kernel (2.6.15-23) all wark fine... [10:40] GNUr: lsmod | grep snd [10:43] Ingmar^: i can hear the sound, but it's is not "continous"... i've tryed mplayer and xine based application, like amarok... and the bug persist.. it's a kernel problem === mbiebl [n=michael@dslb-084-057-248-064.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:44] ah === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel === JohnFlux2 [n=JohnFlux@cpc1-brig4-0-0-cust614.brig.cable.ntl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:46] Mez: nope it was an old version === Mez wonders why katapult/amarok now suddently works [10:57] arrr...y'er luck, matey [10:57] :p [10:57] Riddell: ping [11:00] Tonio_, want to try out some new debs ? [11:04] Mez: hum, no time today, possible tomorrow ? [11:04] Mez: sorry but I'm on a server migration, so it is a bit hot now ;) [11:04] <_Sime_> Tonio_: hi, is ubuntu22 the latest kdebase version? [11:04] _Sime_: yes [11:04] Tonio_, no problems === Ingmar^ [n=ingmar@d51A482FD.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:05] <_Sime_> Tonio_: I just did a apt-get source kdebase and saw that kubuntu_73_nomediaioslave_mounthelper.diff is the old version. [11:05] bug 58178 [11:05] Malone bug 58178 in katapult "Opening config dialog gives segfault on edgy" [Untriaged,Fix released] http://launchpad.net/bugs/58178 [11:05] bug 56918 [11:05] Malone bug 56918 in katapult "doesn't produce anything on edgy" [Medium,Fix released] http://launchpad.net/bugs/56918 [11:06] _Sime_: hu ?????????, [11:06] <_Sime_> Tonio_: -rw-r--r-- 1 sbe sbe 15882 2006-09-19 22:07 kubuntu_73_nomediaioslave_mounthelper.diff [11:06] <_Sime_> Tonio_: does the length match what you have locallly? === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:06] <_Sime_> Tonio_: 15882 byte [11:06] _Sime_: I put the V4 patch yesterday....... [11:06] <_Sime_> Tonio_: was the source uploaded? [11:06] _Sime_: yes....... [11:07] <_Sime_> Tonio_: my patch was bad. sorry. [11:08] _Sime_: ........ ;) [11:08] _Sime_: instead of keeping all patches version [11:09] remove them all and just have one online [11:09] and possibly name them like in kdebase [11:09] <_Sime_> Tonio_: man, all theses patches and versions piss me off. [11:09] that will avoid errors in the future :) [11:09] _Sime_: shoot them all [11:09] just keep the last [11:10] <_Sime_> Tonio_: it is hard because I try test on the same version as what edgy is using. [11:11] _Sime_: yes I understand........ [11:11] _Sime_: should I upgrade the patch once again ? I can do it tomorrow [11:11] <_Sime_> Tonio_: and with the debian stuff patching things all the time makes it hard too. [11:12] _Sime_: sure...... [11:12] _Sime_: well can you put the new version online ? I'll prepare kdebase packages [11:13] Riddell: you there? [11:17] <_Sime_> Tonio_: the v5 patch is on the wiki. Once you have made the packages, just quickly test them by inserting a CD or USB stick etc. :-/ [11:27] _Sime_: okay, will do, thanks [11:47] is it possible to add webboard to kicker? i cant find it in any of my menus === jott_ [n=j@unaffiliated/jott] has joined #kubuntu-devel === GNUr [n=gnucca_p@140.105.132.58] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete:]