[12:26] <Jak08> hello
[12:26] <kwwii_> hi
[12:27] <Jak08> question, I am not able to use ubuntu right now, because well it doesn't work with my harddrive in my imac, it doesn't recognize the free space, but in what ways can I contribute?
[12:30] <Jak08> I am hoping that the new version of ubuntu will have complete support for the new intel macs, I can use it on another computer, but it only has dialup, which I am not fond of
[12:31] <kwwii_> Jak08: well, in a virtual desktop, it certainlyl works
[12:31] <kwwii_> not sure how well on the actual machine
[12:32] <Jak08> ok, but is there anyway I can contribute then? and is there a by chance a better sollution to a virtual desktop besides vmware?
[12:33] <kwwii_> well, we need work everywhere
[12:33] <kwwii_> pick what you can do best and do it
[12:34] <kwwii_> well, on macbooks there is a program (paralells, or such)
[12:34] <Jak08> can I have an example of such work? I'm sorry but I am rather new to OS graphics and am not sure what there is all to do
[12:35] <Jak08> yeah, I should look into paralells
[12:37] <Jak08> hmm not bad only 80 bucks
[12:39] <kwwii_> well, it is all in the source code
[12:39] <kwwii_> installing it is kinda important
[12:39] <kwwii_> you can check the wiki
[12:40] <Jak08> but can I have some example of work that can be done without the actual OS? for the meantime
[12:40] <kwwii_> wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork
[12:40] <kwwii_> we are currently in the process of making the artwork for 6.10
[12:40] <kwwii_> the wiki might be the best place for you
[12:41] <Jak08> k
[12:41] <kwwii_> at the bottom of each page is a list of sub-pages
[12:41] <kwwii_> that is important
[12:41] <Jak08> do you know, about how much experiance wise do you lose by using a virtual desktop?
[12:41] <kwwii_> none
[12:41] <kwwii_> little
[12:41] <kwwii_> depends on the computer
[12:42] <kwwii_> on a macbook, little
[12:43] <Jak08> also besides photoshop what are some other usful tools that you can name for me to get?
[12:43] <kwwii_> well, a vector program is very important...
[12:44] <kwwii_> on linux I would suggest inkscape
[12:44] <Jak08> ok, what exactly is a vector program?
[12:44] <kwwii_> it runs on win and mac too I think
[12:44] <kwwii_> it makes vector pics, which can be scaled
[12:44] <kwwii_> the important thing to know is SVG
[12:44] <kwwii_> Scalable Vector Graphiccs
[12:44] <kwwii_> check wikipedia or such if you don't know it
[12:45] <Jak08> ok
[12:45] <Jak08> and besides inkscape what other usful tools should i get?
[12:45] <kwwii_> in addition to the pixmap programs like photoshop or GIMP those apps will be the most important
[12:45] <kwwii_> I use imagemagick a lot
[12:46] <kwwii_> a whole lot
[12:46] <Jak08> what is imagemagick per say?
[12:46] <kwwii_> it is best used in the bash shell (so the terminal)
[12:46] <kwwii_> it is a program for graphics
[12:46] <kwwii_> but it is best used in scripting
[12:47] <kwwii_> anyway, as a normal user...inkscape on linux, Adobe Illustrator on a prop. system like win or mac
[12:47] <Jak08> so imagemagick is like an alternative to photoshop and gimp?
[12:47] <Jak08> ok, I have illustrator for mac
[12:48] <kwwii_> hehe, no..it is just as powerfull, but in a different way...you can do things with scripts on pics with it very effeciently
[12:48] <kwwii_> illustrator is good
[12:48] <kwwii_> save things as svg
[12:48] <kwwii_> do not use too many filters
[12:48] <kwwii_> like negative multiply, etc.
[12:49] <Jak08> so is it completely fesable to do the graphics in os x and then port them to linux?
[12:49] <Jak08> ok
[12:51] <kwwii_> yes, definitely
[12:51] <kwwii_> I do quite a lot of work in osx
[12:51] <kwwii_> I do have to earn a living :-)
[12:51] <Jak08> haha, yeah
[12:53] <kwwii_> although atm I do earn most of my money working for canonical doing graphics and it is 100% linux and inkscape
[12:54] <kwwii_> for a good artist, the tool is not the problem
[12:55] <kwwii_> funny to say, but good art can be done with any tool
[12:55] <kwwii_> it is more a matter of intent and will
[12:56] <Jak08> yeah
[12:57] <Jak08> ok, well i will definitly get the tools you suggested, and do a bit of research and try my damndest to get ubuntu installed, but for now I have to go, hopefully I will get to speak with you again soon, with better news on my end
[12:57] <kwwii_> cool :-) have fun!
[12:58] <kwwii_> hope to see you here again
[01:01] <Jak08> oh i'll be back, don't worry
[01:01] <Jak08> hey a bit off topic but have you been able to use vista?
[01:03] <kwwii_> I only have ppc at home, so I haven't checked it out at all, actually
[01:04] <kwwii_> funny, but as a mac user, who does linux vista is some screenshot festival that I do not even get into
[01:04] <Jak08> ahh, it is a lot better than xp but in a lot of ways it falls short
[01:04] <Jak08> haha
[01:05] <kwwii_> I think that linux can surpass all that
[01:05] <Jak08> oh definitly especially with the rapid growth and developement it has seen recently
[01:06] <kwwii_> it comes down to leadership
[01:06] <kwwii_> in some aspects
[01:07] <kwwii_> and kubuntu and ubuntu have it...a goal
[01:07] <Jak08> yes
[01:07] <Jak08> I have never used kubuntu how does it compare with normal ubuntu?
[01:08] <kwwii_> I think it is even better oriented for the "normal Windows" user
[01:08] <kwwii_> it is powerfull, yet simple to use
[01:09] <Jak08> yeah, well anything else you say to me i'll just have to read in the logs couse i really need to go now
[01:09] <kwwii_> hehe
[01:09] <kwwii_> me too
[01:09] <kwwii_> see you
[11:52] <giga> any1 here?
[11:58] <kwwii_> hi
[11:58] <kwwii_> just me it seems
[12:01] <giga> is this channel ever active? Does it serve a purpose?
[12:01] <kwwii_> lol
[12:01] <kwwii_> of course it does
[12:01] <kwwii_> and yes, it is often actice
[12:01] <kwwii_> active
[12:02] <kwwii_> at certain times
[12:02] <kwwii_> it is more a channel for direct contact
[12:05] <giga> What do you do though?