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[01:33] <eyequeue> is there a quick synopsis (or page) about what -generic -server and -server-bigiron mean in edgy?
[01:33] <eyequeue> o
[01:34] <eyequeue> m guessing this will be a faq, so i'd like to have a page to send people to
[01:34] <eyequeue> (will create a factoid, if not)
[01:36] <crimsun> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-August/019983.html and https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-August/020807.html
[01:37] <crimsun> the latter directly addresses your question; the former is nice for context
[01:38] <eyequeue> crimsun, thanks, i figure i'm not the only one that wonders :)
[01:51] <gnomefreak> eyequeue: the -i386 is still an edgy kernel
[01:51] <eyequeue> yes
[01:51] <gnomefreak> eyequeue: your factoid said they changed to -generic
[01:51] <eyequeue> perhaps i need to add that, but dpn't have access
[01:51] <gnomefreak> eyequeue: try to add it and i will add it
[01:51] <eyequeue> feel free to edit if you do
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[01:56] <zul> hi mdz 
[01:59] <mdz> hi
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[08:35] <desrt> BenC_; 'sup
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[02:41] <infinity> BenC: About to NEW the new kernels for you, do you have an LRM and -meta lined up?
[02:41] <BenC> yep, getting them ready now
[02:41] <infinity> Spiff.
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[02:46] <infinity> There, done.
[02:46] <infinity> BenC: Accepted.  If you get LRM up before :03, you get a prize. :)
[02:47] <BenC> lrm is uploaded
[02:47] <BenC> now where's my prize :)
=== infinity hands you a direct line to Kamion to process it through queue/new.
[02:47] <infinity> That'd be your prize. :)
=== infinity is heading off to bed now.
[02:48] <ajmitch> lucky kamion is tied up in a CC meeting :)
[02:48] <infinity> Actually, I may still be around in the hour or so when all the binaries show up.
[02:48] <infinity> We'll see.
[02:54] <zul> ajmitch whats the bug number for the ioemu stuff again?
[02:54] <ajmitch> bug 61121
[02:55] <zul> thanks...uploading now
[02:56] <ajmitch> does it still have -- in the package name?
[02:56] <ajmitch> just a minor thing :)
[02:56] <zul> nope...i386 and amd64 packages are the same now
[02:56] <ajmitch> ok, great
[02:57] <ajmitch> how'd you go with the headers?
[02:57] <ajmitch> just starting for the day?
[02:57] <zul> yeah im just starting fot the day
[03:12] <mjg59> infinity: Oh, hey, bug appeared about madwifi suddenly supporting less hardware
[03:13] <zul> BenC: : ping
[03:14] <zul> is there support for qla2300 hba cards?
[03:15] <BenC> zul: I think so
[03:15] <zul> well ill guess ill go find out
[03:15] <BenC> infinity: l-m uploaded now too
[03:15] <fabbione> we do have the driver
[03:15] <zul> ssweet
[03:15] <infinity> mjg59: Is it wrong of my to admit how deeply I don't care?
[03:16] <infinity> mjg59: (Is it just missing PCI IDs, or fundamental incompatibilities with the new hal?)
[03:16] <mjg59> infinity: hal breakage
[03:16] <infinity> s/my to/me to/
[03:16] <infinity> hal breakage.  Suck.
[03:16] <mjg59> It's almost like we're dealing with some sort of incompetence
[03:16] <infinity> I guess we get to A) whine upstream, and B) tell people to not use hardware with binary-only drivers. :/
[03:17] <infinity> We could roll a hacked up madwifi-old for the older cards, but that idea makes me cry many moons.
[03:18] <mjg59> Oh, hang on, it's about dapper
[03:18] <thom> wouldn't crying a _single_ moon be rather painful?
[03:18] <mjg59> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15/+bug/60860
[03:19] <thom> multiple ones just seems masochastic
[03:19] <thom> masochistic even
[03:19] <mjg59> No, wait, that's not the bug I'm thinking of
[03:19] <infinity> Clearly not.
[03:19] <mjg59> Nngh.
[03:20] <infinity> That's just straight up linkage breakage (and I assume, no longer an issue, or we'd have a mess of duplicates)
[03:20] <mjg59> I'm getting vast numbers of launchpad mail nowadays
[03:20] <infinity> You can't possibly get as much as I do.
[03:20] <mjg59> You're paid
[03:20] <infinity> I've turned ignoring LP mail into an art form.
[03:21] <ajmitch> you receive every build log & upload?
[03:22] <infinity> Don't get all the logs yet, but I will when that patch lands.
[03:22] <infinity> I just happen to also get bug mail for about half the distribution.
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[03:22] <mjg59> infinity: https://launchpad.net/bugs/27604
[03:22] <mjg59> No idea what's going on there
[03:28] <zul> whoot...new file server is going to be ubuntu
[03:29] <infinity> mjg59: Fun.  At least that's new hardware, and not "we accidentally dropped support for old hardware", which is what I thought you meant.
[03:35] <mjg59> infinity: Well, doesn't it claim that it used to work?
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[03:49] <Petaris> ajmitch: I don't suppose yoru awake ATM?
[03:49] <Petaris> er, your
[03:49] <infinity> mjg59: Yeah, but it also claims it stopped working without a reboot, which is pretty sketchy.
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[06:52] <doko_> BenC: the names/descriptions for the kernel packages are confusing: -i386 -> "Supports alternate x86 (486 and better)", generic -> "Supports generic processors"
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[07:29] <BenC> doko_: I'll try to clean that up some
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[08:24] <ernstp> is usplash supposed to work on amd64? with edgy?
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[08:27] <HiddenWolf> Hey guys.
[08:27] <HiddenWolf> BenC: around?
[08:32] <HiddenWolf> I've got a possible bug wrt acpi/cardbus cards, and I need some help figuring out how to file a good bug.
[08:41] <BenC> HiddenWolf: yeah
[08:41] <BenC> is this in edgy?
[08:42] <HiddenWolf> BenC: yeah
[08:43] <HiddenWolf> BenC: I recently took an old laptop and put dapper on it. Internet over a cardbus pmcia ethernet card. Worked flawlessly. After a dist-upgrade to dapper this broke.
[08:43] <HiddenWolf> to edgy
[08:43] <BenC> try 2.6.17-8 before filing a bug
[08:44] <BenC> what driver was it using?
[08:44] <HiddenWolf> On dapper I have no clue. 
[08:44] <HiddenWolf> on edgy all I get is:
[08:44] <HiddenWolf>  Sep 19 22:21:12 ubuntu kernel: [  123.452379]  pccard: card ejected from slot 1
[08:44] <HiddenWolf>  Sep 19 22:21:44 ubuntu kernel: [  156.219006]  pccard: CardBus card inserted into slot 1
[08:48] <HiddenWolf> BenC: is 2.6.17-8 on a daily, or will I have to wait?
[08:48] <BenC> should show up in the archive any time now
[08:48] <gnomefreak> HiddenWolf: it should hit repos shortly
[08:48] <BenC> already uploaded and built
[08:49] <gnomefreak> just got the pre packages
[08:49] <HiddenWolf> ah.
[08:50] <HiddenWolf> I'll burn tomorrow's daily then. I don't feel like shuttling kernel debs on a usb-stick. ^-^
[08:53] <Mithrandir> zul: did you get to hack on the amd64 problems yesterday?
[08:54] <zul> Mithrandir: no i was trying to fix the xen-ioemu bug report, i have access to an amd64 box now so i will do it tonight
[08:54] <Mithrandir> ok
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[09:07] <HiddenWolf> BenC: same problem with -8
[09:07] <mjg59> HiddenWolf: Please do lspci before and after inserting the card
[09:08] <BenC> HiddenWolf: Please file a bug report with lspci (with card inserted), and dmesg, and tag the bug edgy-regression
[09:08] <BenC> yeah, before and after would be helpful
[09:09] <HiddenWolf> at least one bug was fixed by -8 tho
[09:09] <HiddenWolf> I can now force acpi
[09:14] <gnomefreak> HiddenWolf: you installed -8 from upgrades?
[09:15] <HiddenWolf> gnomefreak: I put the deb on a usbstick and dpkg -i did the trick
[09:15] <gnomefreak> ah
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[09:24] <HiddenWolf> BenC: mjg59: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.17/+bug/61291
[09:25] <HiddenWolf> if there is anything else you need I'm happy to provide it, else I'll toss in a dapper xubuntu disk and be done with it.
[09:27] <BenC> I'll check on it when I get that far in my bug list :)
[09:27] <BenC> I'll let you know, thanks
[09:27] <Nafallo> BenC: rt61 still broken, just updated the bugreport :-)
[09:27] <HiddenWolf> BenC: no problem, I'd be happy to help.
[09:27] <Nafallo> rt61pci even
[09:27] <BenC> Nafallo: still broken because the package isn't uploaded yet
[09:28] <BenC> I just put it into git
[09:28] <mjg59> HiddenWolf: That's a dmesg without having inserted the card, right?
[09:28] <Nafallo> BenC: oh? There is another coming? :-)
[09:28] <Nafallo> hehe, I thought it was this one that I just rebooted to :-P
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[09:29] <HiddenWolf> mjg59: seems like it.
[09:29] <BenC> no, not yet
[09:29] <Nafallo> BenC: if you have a daily kernel or something I would be happy to try it out.
[09:30] <BenC> Nafallo: none built right now, but I'll get one up tonight
[09:31] <Nafallo> BenC: nice. could you add that to the bug-report when it's available?
[09:31] <Nafallo> (the url)
[09:33] <HiddenWolf> mjg59: putting up a dmesg with card inserted now
[09:34] <HiddenWolf> there
[09:35] <zul> less mmc.c
[09:37] <BenC> Nafallo: it's in the topic
[09:42] <mjg59> HiddenWolf: It appears to be identical
[09:42] <mjg59> Oh, no, sorry
[09:43] <HiddenWolf> :)
[09:43] <HiddenWolf> ifconfig shows lo only, pppoeconf offers to run modconf instead of picking it up.
[09:43] <mjg59> What sort of card is it?
[09:44] <HiddenWolf> ethernet
[09:44] <mjg59> Yes, what sort?
[09:44] <mjg59> Make/model
[09:44] <HiddenWolf> It's in one of the comments
[09:44] <HiddenWolf> unex corp MD010C
[09:45] <mjg59> And it's cardbus rather than pcmcia?
[09:46] <HiddenWolf> I wouldn't know the difference, honestly.
[09:46] <HiddenWolf> It says cardbus on it, so yeah
[09:48] <mjg59> When it's in, what does pccardctl status print?
[09:49] <HiddenWolf> of course he asks that just after I shut it down. One moment. =)
[09:51] <HiddenWolf> socket 0; no card, socket 1; no card
[09:53] <HiddenWolf> ah, wait
[09:53] <HiddenWolf> after inserting it again, socket 1: 3.3V 32-bit PC Card
[09:53] <mjg59> And lspci now?
[09:54] <HiddenWolf> no difference
[09:56] <mjg59> And nothing else in dmesg?
[09:59] <HiddenWolf> dmesg: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24024
[10:00] <HiddenWolf> lscpi: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24025
[10:08] <HiddenWolf> mjg59: ^^
[10:09] <HiddenWolf> That's with the card picked up (as per /var/log/kern.log and pccardctl)
[10:09] <zul> right im heading home..
[10:30] <BenC> zul: later
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[12:06] <mjg59> BenC: #53910 - it gets taken care of on amd64, it doesn't get taken care of on x86