| micahcowan | The post install also seems to do a series of chmods on score files that go in /var/games. | 12:09 |
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| LaserJock | it looks to me like gnome-games doesn't do any chmoding on files in /usr/share/ | 12:15 |
| LaserJock | which is what dh_fixperms will change | 12:15 |
| micahcowan | This is true: it chmods /usr/games and /var/games files. | 12:15 |
| micahcowan | still, note the /methods/ it uses for permissions: both an explicit rule, and in postinstall. | 12:16 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 12:16 |
| micahcowan | I can't really think of a more elegant way to do that: debhelper isn't actually meant to handle every situation, just the common ones, right? So I don't get whta's wrong with simply supplementing its behavior with more explicit commands... do you think chmod in rules might fly? | 12:17 |
| LaserJock | well, I know it is used | 12:17 |
| micahcowan | ^_^ | 12:17 |
| LaserJock | I'm just a little concern about *where* I'm putting it | 12:17 |
| LaserJock | I've seen it in the install: rule | 12:17 |
| micahcowan | Is there more detailed documentation about debhelper besides the manpages and maint-guide? | 12:18 |
| LaserJock | well, I'll just put it after dh_fixperms and see if it works and then float that by Kamion | 12:18 |
| micahcowan | yeah, and I'd get more suggestions from him this time if he doesn't like it. Something besides dpkg-statoverride... or an explanation as to why that's better :p | 12:19 |
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| Q-FUNK | could someone sync 'planner' from debian? | 12:26 |
| Q-FUNK | the build failure reported in ubuntu was fixed in debian ages ago. | 12:26 |
| Fujitsu | I'll file a request to have it synced. | 12:26 |
| Q-FUNK | thanks :) | 12:26 |
| Fujitsu | (after checking it does actually build) | 12:26 |
| LaserJock | Q-FUNK: is it a new upstream? | 12:26 |
| Q-FUNK | nope | 12:27 |
| slomo | Fujitsu: it's in main btw | 12:27 |
| Q-FUNK | we've had 0.14 for ages | 12:27 |
| Fujitsu | Darn. | 12:27 |
| LaserJock | ah, but we have 0.13 | 12:27 |
| Q-FUNK | bulding broke after the new python policy and then was fixed | 12:27 |
| ajmitch | Fujitsu: just find a core-dev to convince mdz/kamion of the need for UVF exception :) | 12:28 |
| Fujitsu | Are there any major bug fixes in 0.14? | 12:28 |
| ajmitch | no | 12:28 |
| Q-FUNK | yes | 12:28 |
| ajmitch | no UVF exception required at all | 12:28 |
| ajmitch | planner | 0.13-4ubuntu2 | http://apt-proxy edgy/main Packages | 12:28 |
| ajmitch | planner | 0.14-6 | http://apt-proxy edgy/main Sources | 12:28 |
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| LaserJock | ah | 12:28 |
| ajmitch | we already have 0.14 source :) | 12:28 |
| Fujitsu | Aha. | 12:28 |
| LaserJock | good catch ajmitch | 12:28 |
| Fujitsu | Just a UniverseFreeze one. | 12:28 |
| Q-FUNK | last time a build was attempted was in june | 12:28 |
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| Q-FUNK | so much for manual syncs... | 12:28 |
| LaserJock | Fujitsu: it's still a Main package | 12:29 |
| Fujitsu | It is, yes. | 12:29 |
| Q-FUNK | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+source/planner | 12:29 |
| ajmitch | Fujitsu: get a core dev to ACK the sync then | 12:29 |
| Fujitsu | ajmitch, obviously. | 12:29 |
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| ajmitch | well, once the source is fetched.. :) | 12:30 |
| Q-FUNK | dget | 12:30 |
| ajmitch | Q-FUNK: I prefer apt-get | 12:30 |
| ajmitch | since I have sid :) | 12:30 |
| Q-FUNK | ah :) | 12:30 |
| Fujitsu | Building... | 12:31 |
| Fujitsu | Hrm. My changelog parser is dodgy. | 12:31 |
| Fujitsu | It only gave me the last entry of the new ones. | 12:31 |
| LaserJock | hmm, interesting build log | 12:31 |
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| ajmitch | Q-FUNK: ah yes, I recall seeing your blog entries on planet debian :) | 12:34 |
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| Q-FUNK | :) | 12:36 |
| ajmitch | hm | 12:38 |
| ajmitch | seems like an international link has gone down in NZ again :) | 12:39 |
| Q-FUNK | hm?! | 12:39 |
| Fujitsu | And planner actually builds fine this time. That's nice. | 12:39 |
| ajmitch | just the usual state of internet connectivity in NZ | 12:39 |
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| ajmitch | someone tripped over a cable or something | 12:39 |
| Fujitsu | Do I have to get any special UniverseFreeze exception or anything? Or just a core-dev to ack it? | 12:39 |
| Q-FUNK | Fujitsu: 0.14-10 ? | 12:39 |
| Fujitsu | Q-FUNK, yes. | 12:39 |
| ajmitch | Fujitsu: it's in main, why are you talking about UniverseFreeze? | 12:39 |
| Q-FUNK | yup. it should. | 12:40 |
| Fujitsu | Oops. | 12:40 |
| Fujitsu | FeatureFreeze. | 12:40 |
| ajmitch | it's only a debian revision, too | 12:40 |
| Fujitsu | ajmitch, noted, but I believe FeatureFreeze covers that... | 12:40 |
| LaserJock | nope | 12:40 |
| Q-FUNK | ajmitch: ah. do sheeps eat the dark fiber cables? ;) | 12:40 |
| Fujitsu | Q-FUNK, hahaha. | 12:40 |
| LaserJock | Fujitsu: FF is for new packages | 12:41 |
| ajmitch | Q-FUNK: tends to be rats :) | 12:41 |
| ajmitch | at least that's the excuse we had last year :) | 12:41 |
| Fujitsu | Ah, OK. | 12:41 |
| ajmitch | Fujitsu: I would ack it if I could build & check it :) | 12:41 |
| AnAnt | does subscription to ubuntu-devel mailing list require a moderator approval ? | 12:42 |
| ajmitch | AnAnt: no | 12:42 |
| AnAnt | ajmitch: wierd, why aint I getting a confirmation mail then ? | 12:42 |
| Q-FUNK | gaim-irchelper could probably be synced against the one in experimental, which has the same dependency thightening for gaim 2.0b3 | 12:42 |
| LaserJock | AnAnt: might take a while | 12:42 |
| AnAnt | k | 12:43 |
| AnAnt | thanks | 12:43 |
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| rmjb_ | hi | 12:49 |
| Fujitsu | Hi. | 12:50 |
| rmjb_ | do you all have pmplib in the repos? | 12:50 |
| rmjb_ | http://pmplib.sourceforge.net/index.html | 12:50 |
| rmjb_ | I checked but couldn't find it | 12:50 |
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| rmjb_ | and my attempts to compile it get errors since the dependencies are listed on the site or the INSTALL or README files | 12:51 |
| LaserJock | argg, does evo mail and evo calendering have 2 different .desktop files? | 12:54 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: probably | 12:55 |
| DarkMageZ | rmjb, i'll give compiling it a shot for ya | 12:57 |
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| Q-FUNK | arf. I really should get some sleep | 12:58 |
| Q-FUNK | cya guys! | 12:58 |
| rmjb | thanks | 12:58 |
| rmjb | so you guys, The Masters of the Universe, see programs/libraries like this pmplib, and package it up for Ubuntu, and maintain the packages as new versions are released? | 12:59 |
| rmjb | is that how it works? | 12:59 |
| LaserJock | well, mostly we maintain differences between Ubuntu and Debian | 01:00 |
| LaserJock | that is our primary goal | 01:00 |
| LaserJock | so if a new package is introduced into Ubuntu Universe then yes we try to maintain that | 01:00 |
| rmjb | so if there's a package in debian, an Ubuntu user can use that? | 01:01 |
| LaserJock | but better is to find somebody to maintain it in Debian | 01:01 |
| LaserJock | yes, our packages come from Debian | 01:01 |
| LaserJock | we only modify if we need to | 01:01 |
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| rmjb | so to become a motu you have to be familiar with the debian packages and process? | 01:05 |
| LaserJock | yes | 01:05 |
| rmjb | oh, slightly higher bar to enter than I thought | 01:06 |
| LaserJock | it's not too bad | 01:06 |
| zul | its not like bootcamp | 01:06 |
| LaserJock | it's just that Ubuntu uses the same packaging policy (basically) as Debian | 01:07 |
| Fujitsu | It's not too bad, though I'm not a MOTU yet. | 01:07 |
| LaserJock | so you need to learn how to create packages that conform to the Debian Policy | 01:07 |
| rmjb | ok | 01:07 |
| LaserJock | and you should at least have a general idea of how things work in Debian so when you need to interact with them you know what to do | 01:08 |
| LaserJock | but that's a part of the learning process | 01:08 |
| rmjb | are there more sessions planned for the #motu-school? | 01:08 |
| ajmitch | eventually :) | 01:08 |
| DarkMageZ | rmjb, pmplib depends on libmozjs-dev which doesn't appear to exist in ubuntu | 01:09 |
| rmjb | you get that error on configure or make? | 01:10 |
| DarkMageZ | on the dependency check from pbuilder | 01:10 |
| rmjb | on configure I get a warning about a javascript library not installed, it seems it needs the spidermonkey library which shows up in my synaptic | 01:11 |
| rmjb | but that's just a warning | 01:11 |
| ajmitch | DarkMageZ: part of xulrunner in sid | 01:11 |
| DarkMageZ | ajmitch, if i change that dependency to firefox-dev would that be ok? | 01:12 |
| rmjb | i installed libsmjs-dev | 01:12 |
| ajmitch | DarkMageZ: it may work :) | 01:12 |
| DarkMageZ | hmm, ok, i'll change that depend to libsmjs-dev then | 01:12 |
| rmjb | later on I had to install libvorbis-dev on a error during the compile | 01:13 |
| rmjb | that did not indicate itself during the configure | 01:13 |
| DarkMageZ | libvorbis-dev is listed | 01:13 |
| rmjb | where are you seeing this list of dependencies? | 01:13 |
| DarkMageZ | rmjb, in the control file in the debian folder. | 01:15 |
| rmjb | hmm... my source package from sf.net doesn't have a debian folder... I guess that's why you guys are the Masters of the Univers | 01:16 |
| DarkMageZ | which doesn't exist in the 0.12 source package. i pulled pmplib from svn | 01:16 |
| rmjb | oh | 01:16 |
| DarkMageZ | but i pulled the 0.12 branch. pmplib doesn't seem to be an active project, last change was 4 weeks ago | 01:17 |
| rmjb | that's okay, it worked under windows | 01:17 |
| rmjb | just need the same functionality under linux for my mp3 player | 01:18 |
| rmjb | hey, looks like it worked! I did a make clean distclean and created a separate pmplib-build directory and did everything in there and it worked | 01:22 |
| rmjb | now the best way to install this is with checkinstall right? | 01:23 |
| ajmitch | Fujitsu: ACKed bug 61174 for you | 01:23 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 61174 in planner "Please sync planner 0.14-10 (main) from Debian Sid (main)" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/61174 | 01:23 |
| DarkMageZ | rmjb, checkinstall is better than make install, but there are alot better ways | 01:25 |
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| Fujitsu | Thanks, ajmitch. | 01:26 |
| rmjb | what's a better way? | 01:26 |
| DarkMageZ | rmjb, http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html | 01:27 |
| rmjb | thanks | 01:27 |
| DarkMageZ | anyone know what i should expect to break if i backport firefox 2 from edgy to dapper? | 01:37 |
| crimsun | "a lot". | 01:37 |
| Fujitsu | Yes, a LOT. | 01:38 |
| DarkMageZ | like? i've been running it for a week | 01:38 |
| zul | oooh...we have a masochist in our midst | 01:38 |
| Fujitsu | yelp will break, anything else that uses gecko will break... | 01:38 |
| DarkMageZ | i'll go test yelp | 01:38 |
| rmjb | one question, do you guys recommend using aptitude or actively recommend against it? | 01:39 |
| tseng | apt-cache rdepends firefox | 01:39 |
| tseng | rmjb: use whatever you want | 01:39 |
| rmjb | cool | 01:39 |
| tseng | DarkMageZ: you will break about 180 things | 01:39 |
| tseng | DarkMageZ: +/- a few | 01:39 |
| DarkMageZ | ok, so add/remove still works, yelp still works | 01:40 |
| DarkMageZ | i'll test openoffice, that's listed =D | 01:40 |
| Fujitsu | yelp still works!? | 01:40 |
| DarkMageZ | mmhmm, i'll upload the packages to my repo if u wanna see for yourself | 01:40 |
| Fujitsu | I'm running edgy :P | 01:40 |
| DarkMageZ | ah | 01:41 |
| DarkMageZ | next i'm thinking of trying trunk, hopefully that will break yelp | 01:41 |
| LaserJock | Fujitsu: yelp doesn't work for you? | 01:42 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock, it should break in a Gecko change like that, shouldn't it? | 01:42 |
| LaserJock | like what? | 01:43 |
| LaserJock | and I have no idea | 01:43 |
| Fujitsu | Like Firefox 2 being dropped into Dapper? | 01:43 |
| LaserJock | well, I guess it would depend on "dropped into" | 01:43 |
| zul | heh...i think you are going to give iwj a conniption if someone did that | 01:43 |
| DarkMageZ | ok, i'm uploading the firefox 2.0b2 packages for dapper to my repo now. so any non-believers can try for themselfs | 01:45 |
| crimsun | the more unofficial crackful package we have circulating, the bigger our headache. Please request official backports instead. | 01:46 |
| ajmitch | especially when we have to support them | 01:47 |
| ajmitch | eg the number of mono issues I've had with broken dbus backports | 01:47 |
| tseng | DarkMageZ: no offence but you would do well to heed the advice for people who have been doing this for years rather than writing us off as "non-believers" | 01:48 |
| tritium | Hey LaserJock. | 01:51 |
| Fujitsu | Morning, tritium. | 01:51 |
| LaserJock | hi tritium! | 01:51 |
| tritium | Hi Fujitsu. | 01:51 |
| LaserJock | argg, has anybody done a binary litian override? | 01:51 |
| tritium | LaserJock: saw your wondering in my away log | 01:51 |
| LaserJock | mhm | 01:51 |
| tritium | I've been up to many things, including most recently running a couple 1/2 marathons, and being in the ER for kidney stones | 01:52 |
| LaserJock | yikes | 01:52 |
| tritium | Yeah, no fun... | 01:52 |
| ajmitch | hey tritium | 01:52 |
| tritium | hey ajmitch | 01:53 |
| Fujitsu | Ow. | 01:53 |
| tritium | I'm on vicodin for the pain, so I'm managing | 01:54 |
| ajmitch | still not nice | 01:54 |
| tritium | How are you all? | 01:54 |
| LaserJock | busy busy busy :-) | 01:54 |
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| tritium | :) | 01:55 |
| === Fujitsu is trying to figure out what the $#*$ is up with python-numpy. | ||
| LaserJock | oh nifty | 01:56 |
| Fujitsu | It explodes! | 01:56 |
| Fujitsu | #if (PY_VERSION_HEX >= 0x02050000) | 01:59 |
| Fujitsu | What's that meant to check? | 01:59 |
| Fujitsu | Is that >= 2.5? | 01:59 |
| ajmitch | if python >= 2.5 | 01:59 |
| Fujitsu | OK. | 01:59 |
| ajmitch | it fails when building? | 02:00 |
| Fujitsu | It's that section which explodes... | 02:00 |
| Fujitsu | They use an undefined variable in there! | 02:00 |
| ajmitch | more fun for you to fix | 02:00 |
| Fujitsu | Yup. | 02:00 |
| Fujitsu | Now, said variable is `op', there's an `o' and `obj' around... | 02:00 |
| === Fujitsu checks if it should be either of those two. | ||
| === ajmitch will be back later | ||
| Fujitsu | Looks like it should be o... | 02:01 |
| === Fujitsu changes. | ||
| Fujitsu | See ya! | 02:01 |
| Fujitsu | Bye, Laser_away. | 02:02 |
| Laser_away | I'll bbl | 02:05 |
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| jcape | bzflag | 02:31 |
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| minghua | hello everyone | 02:34 |
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| Fujitsu | Hi, minghua. | 02:39 |
| crimsun | argh, whoever keeps assigning stuff to ubuntu-universe-sponsors needs to stop doing it if he's not going to fill in the outstanding information from the sync protocol | 02:40 |
| Fujitsu | Who is it? | 02:41 |
| crimsun | https://launchpad.net/people/kalon33 | 02:41 |
| Fujitsu | He's a /member/ of ubuntu-universe-sponsors!? | 02:43 |
| crimsun | apparently there are quite a few non-MOTU who are members of said team | 02:43 |
| Fujitsu | That's a little odd. | 02:44 |
| crimsun | For coverage's sake, I'm fine with that if they're also checking the actual sync requests. | 02:44 |
| === Fujitsu grumbles about python-numpy... | ||
| Fujitsu | A fix for Python 2.5 was committed... | 02:44 |
| Fujitsu | But it seems to break it even more. | 02:44 |
| Fujitsu | Terrific. | 02:45 |
| minghua | Edgy is still going to have python 2.4 as default, isn't it? | 02:47 |
| crimsun | yes | 02:49 |
| crimsun | the supported versions are 2.4 and 2.5 | 02:49 |
| minghua | I saw Fujitsu's message about python-2.5 breaking Debian's python-numpy | 02:50 |
| minghua | I suppose the problem is that edgy can't build python-numpy from Debian because edgy is building python-2.5 modules? | 02:51 |
| crimsun | haven't looked yet, still trudging through these u-u-s source packages | 02:53 |
| minghua | Fujitsu: would it possible to just build 2.4 modules? | 02:53 |
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| ajmitch | crimsun: the team ought to be moderated | 02:57 |
| ajmitch | I'll see if I can change it to be so | 02:58 |
| ajmitch | ok, changed to moderated, any MOTUs willing to join should poke myself or hobbsee :) | 02:58 |
| LaserJock | hmm | 02:58 |
| ajmitch | I only spot 3 non-MOTUs on there | 02:59 |
| LaserJock | I just joined | 02:59 |
| LaserJock | what the heck happened there? | 02:59 |
| LaserJock | isn't that supposed to be MOTUs who are willing to sponsor non-MOTUs? | 03:00 |
| crimsun | that was my original thought, too | 03:00 |
| ajmitch | yes | 03:00 |
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| ajmitch | there's also some duplication with motureviewers | 03:00 |
| ajmitch | which leads to confusion, etc | 03:01 |
| LaserJock | well, I think it came from ubuntu-sponsors | 03:01 |
| LaserJock | for Main | 03:01 |
| ajmitch | yes, pitti set them both up iirc | 03:01 |
| LaserJock | I would personally consider motureviewers==ubuntu-universe-sponsors | 03:01 |
| reggaemanu | erf, latest ffmpeg/libavcodec/libavformat has broken mplayer | 03:01 |
| ajmitch | I wonder if we can merge teams :) | 03:01 |
| ajmitch | https://launchpad.net/people/motureviewers/+assignedbugs | 03:02 |
| ajmitch | 30 assigned, several are stale | 03:02 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 03:02 |
| ajmitch | it's been awhile since I went through the list | 03:02 |
| === LaserJock longs for the 48hr day ;-) | ||
| LaserJock | not really | 03:02 |
| LaserJock | but I wish I had time for these things | 03:02 |
| ajmitch | & I had a couple to upload which I should get onto (libcm, gnucash) | 03:03 |
| crimsun | reggaemanu: how? | 03:03 |
| reggaemanu | crimsun, mplayer: symbol lookup error: mplayer: undefined symbol: a52_resample | 03:03 |
| reggaemanu | it's now impossible to play any movie | 03:03 |
| LaserJock | reggaemanu: how new is that mplayer? | 03:03 |
| reggaemanu | hum, the package in edgy is the last version (pre8) | 03:04 |
| crimsun | reggaemanu: that's -from -2 and is completely intentional | 03:04 |
| reggaemanu | but since the ffmpeg/libavcodec/libavformat update around one hour ago it's broken | 03:04 |
| LaserJock | earlier today slomo was taking with a mplayer dev about quite a few changes to the mplayer package | 03:04 |
| LaserJock | so I wonder if that's a part of it | 03:05 |
| Nafallo | me, slomo and siretart have been talking quite a while with two mplayer devs today. | 03:05 |
| crimsun | mplayer simply needs liba52-0.7.4-dev added as a build-dependency | 03:05 |
| LaserJock | darn, I bet Kamion is asleep | 03:06 |
| slomo | crimsun: no | 03:06 |
| reggaemanu | hum ok, so the package should be updated soon | 03:06 |
| LaserJock | or shood be at least | 03:06 |
| crimsun | slomo: what's the issue, then? | 03:06 |
| slomo | crimsun: it's not that easy unfortunately ;) | 03:07 |
| crimsun | another abi fling? | 03:07 |
| slomo | symbol conflicts because of mplayer's bundled liba52 and the one that libavcodec opens | 03:07 |
| crimsun | ah, _excellent_ | 03:07 |
| slomo | and mplayer doesn't want our liba52 | 03:07 |
| crimsun | we <3 ffmpeg | 03:07 |
| slomo | but i'll care for this :) | 03:07 |
| reggaemanu | then, i will use totem -_-' unfortunally i've updated between two movies ^^ | 03:08 |
| reggaemanu | slomo, thanks for the informations | 03:09 |
| === Nafallo updates the log :-) | ||
| slomo | reggaemanu: could be worse... you could've uploaded it while watching one movie and restart it in the middle ;) | 03:10 |
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| === Nafallo spanks bddebian | ||
| Nafallo | bddebian: hello :-) | 03:14 |
| bddebian | Heya Nafallo and gang :-) | 03:14 |
| ajmitch | hello bddebian | 03:14 |
| Nafallo | bddebian: what's up? :-) | 03:14 |
| bddebian | Hi ajmitch | 03:14 |
| bddebian | Nafallo: Doing a little work from home and getting ready to review some packages hopefully. You? | 03:15 |
| crimsun | bddebian's about to fix all the universe+multiverse bugs, hooray! | 03:15 |
| === ajmitch cheers | ||
| ajmitch | crimsun: he's about to fix up everything on revu, too | 03:15 |
| bddebian | I can't fix anything, you know that :-) | 03:15 |
| crimsun | wow | 03:15 |
| Nafallo | bddebian: pondering if bed or LP bugs are more important ;-) | 03:15 |
| bddebian | Nafallo: LP bugs, you know that ;-P | 03:16 |
| Nafallo | bddebian: ;-). was not _that_ much to do for MOTU-IM :-) | 03:16 |
| === Nafallo checks if he might have missed some ;-) | ||
| Nafallo | oh. gajim built on x86_64 :-) | 03:20 |
| bddebian | Nafallo: Well I can give you another list if you like :-) | 03:20 |
| Nafallo | bddebian: :-P | 03:20 |
| Nafallo | bddebian: I should probably read my e-mail and then go to bed. it's 3:21 here :-P | 03:21 |
| bddebian | Eeks, gnight man | 03:22 |
| Nafallo | hehe | 03:22 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: cleared up REVU yet? | 03:24 |
| bddebian | Oh yeah, I'm done | 03:24 |
| === bddebian still wonders why everyone scoffs at him | ||
| ajmitch | sweet, uploaded the advocated packages? | 03:24 |
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| === ajmitch doesn't think there are that many that will have 2 advocates right now | ||
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| bddebian | Hmm, maybe I'm doing anything tonight.. | 03:26 |
| ajmitch | go for it! | 03:28 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: you still haven't given your opinion of krb5-auth-dialog | 03:29 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: I was worried my machine was dead, but it was just a dead battery.. Whew | 03:29 |
| === Nafallo has a battery on the way here | ||
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| === bddebian is soooo behind on bugs :'-( | ||
| ajmitch | bddebian: you keep up better than I do | 03:37 |
| === ajmitch has a mere fraction of the bug karma | ||
| bddebian | ajmitch: Not with bugs man, I haven't done shit yet for Edgy wrt bugs :-( | 03:38 |
| ajmitch | the numbers lie | 03:38 |
| ajmitch | is that what you say? | 03:39 |
| bddebian | Yes | 03:39 |
| === ajmitch doesn't have time for this | ||
| bddebian | Alot of my bug karma is from Sync requests | 03:39 |
| bddebian | Are these worth not uploading? Seem innocuous to me.. | 03:39 |
| bddebian | W: rrdweather; Long descriptions contains short description. | 03:39 |
| bddebian | W: rrdweather; File /usr/lib/rrdweather/db_update.sh contained in /usr/lib of Architecture: all package. | 03:39 |
| Nafallo | bddebian: are those our changes? otherwise bug debian and sync :-) | 03:40 |
| bddebian | Nafallo: No these are a REVU package | 03:41 |
| Nafallo | oh | 03:42 |
| bddebian | dead air... :) | 03:42 |
| minghua | bddebian: since rrdweather only builds an arch:all package, the second warning is probably upstream issue | 03:42 |
| minghua | I take that back | 03:43 |
| minghua | in debian/rules: | 03:43 |
| minghua | cp -a db_builder.sh $(CURDIR)/debian/rrdweather/usr/lib/rrdweather | 03:43 |
| minghua | cp -a db_update.sh $(CURDIR)/debian/rrdweather/usr/lib/rrdweather | 03:43 |
| minghua | cp -a weather.cgi $(CURDIR)/debian/rrdweather/usr/lib/cgi-bin | 03:43 |
| minghua | I must admit I don't know what is the proper way to package cgi apps | 03:44 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: opinions? | 03:44 |
| bddebian | minghua: Me either :-( Thanks btw | 03:45 |
| minghua | bddebian: you are welcome, I am just trying to help as much as I can without an edgy system :-) | 03:46 |
| ajmitch | 13 | 03:47 |
| ajmitch | hm | 03:47 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: ? | 03:48 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: where did you get this error from? | 03:49 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: linda | 03:50 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: Think I need to worry about it? | 03:54 |
| === ajmitch shrugs | ||
| ajmitch | sorry, working at the moment as well :) | 03:57 |
| bddebian | Hmm, I never trust linda on Dapper for some reason | 03:57 |
| ajmitch | blame StevenK? | 03:58 |
| bddebian | crimsun: Any thoughts from you, your highness? :-) | 04:01 |
| bddebian | la la la la laaa | 04:03 |
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| bddebian | Heya Hobbsee | 04:05 |
| Hobbsee | hi bddebian | 04:06 |
| ajmitch | hello miss hobbs | 04:08 |
| Hobbsee | hey ajmitch | 04:09 |
| Toadstool | re | 04:10 |
| bddebian | wb Toadstool | 04:10 |
| Toadstool | huhu, rrdweather issues? | 04:11 |
| bddebian | Toadstool: Aye, have an opinion? | 04:12 |
| Toadstool | hmm, I should have tested the 2nd upload with lintian too... | 04:12 |
| Toadstool | lemme have a look | 04:13 |
| Toadstool | hmm? how come does/win15 | 04:18 |
| Toadstool | ouch :) | 04:19 |
| === Toadstool must buy a brain and new hands | ||
| Toadstool | bddebian: lintian is happy with the package, linda, well..., I don't care :p | 04:22 |
| bddebian | Toadstool: Fair enough for me :-) | 04:23 |
| bddebian | Fuck | 04:32 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: I just accidently archived krb5-auth-dialog | 04:32 |
| Hobbsee | bddebian: unarchive it? | 04:32 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: that's fine, it's obviously not worth having | 04:34 |
| bddebian | Hobbsee: Can I do that? | 04:35 |
| Hobbsee | bddebian: sure, go to the archived section, and hit "unarchive" | 04:35 |
| bddebian | Oh, duh | 04:36 |
| bddebian | crimsun: Where'd you go? | 04:41 |
| Toadstool | http://fullcoverage.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060914/hl_afp/afplifestylehealthalcohol <-- haha | 04:42 |
| Toadstool | (sorry but couldn't resist :p) | 04:42 |
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| Deaigo | can i upload crap i used checkinstall for? | 04:43 |
| ajmitch | no | 04:43 |
| SwordedHobbsee | hah | 04:43 |
| === SwordedHobbsee waves her sword at Deaigo for the questoin | ||
| Deaigo | thought so ;) | 04:44 |
| === bddebian breaks out the katana | ||
| SwordedHobbsee | bddebian: now you be careful, else i'll make you WALK THE PLANK! | 04:44 |
| Deaigo | i was just instaling http://btg.berlios.de/ and thought it would be nice ot save others the pain in the ass process | 04:44 |
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| ajmitch | it's just a recipe for more pain | 04:45 |
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| Deaigo | is making a .deb package complex...? | 04:51 |
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| ajmitch | very complex if people don't stick around for an answer... | 05:00 |
| SwordedHobbsee | heh | 05:00 |
| bddebian | Aye, that is potentially a problem :-) | 05:01 |
| === ajmitch blames SwordedHobbsee for scaring people off | ||
| ajmitch | bddebian: your verdict? | 05:01 |
| === SwordedHobbsee blames aj | ||
| SwordedHobbsee | bddebian: | 05:01 |
| === SwordedHobbsee blames ajmitch | ||
| Fujitsu | minghua, I too think it might be a good idea to just build python2.4 modules, at least until upstream fixes it. | 05:02 |
| Fujitsu | Hey, SwordedHobbsee. | 05:02 |
| SwordedHobbsee | hi Fujitsu! | 05:02 |
| minghua | Fujitsu: glad that we agree :-) | 05:03 |
| === Fujitsu continues to read over the log from the past 2 hours. | ||
| Fujitsu | Yes, what's with motureviewers? Isn't it completely obsolete now? | 05:03 |
| SwordedHobbsee | it's the same thing as ubuntu-universe-sponsors i suspect | 05:04 |
| ajmitch | not while some people are still assigning bugs there | 05:04 |
| Fujitsu | SwordedHobbsee, it looks like it. | 05:04 |
| Fujitsu | Said people need to be informed of the new process. | 05:04 |
| ajmitch | it existed long before hobbsee's little team :) | 05:04 |
| SwordedHobbsee | true | 05:04 |
| === SwordedHobbsee obviously wasnt informed. or didnt know anyone actually did anything with it | ||
| === Fujitsu doesn't like SwordedHobbsee, she's purple rather than her normal yellow. | ||
| SwordedHobbsee | besides, i didnt create it | 05:05 |
| SwordedHobbsee | oh? | 05:05 |
| SwordedHobbsee | heh, guess i am | 05:05 |
| SwordedHobbsee | i'm still authed | 05:05 |
| Fujitsu | Ooh! | 05:05 |
| Fujitsu | You changed your real name! | 05:05 |
| === Fujitsu applauds. | ||
| SwordedHobbsee | a couple of days ago, yeah | 05:06 |
| ajmitch | someone get me some caffeine | 05:06 |
| === Fujitsu throws some coffee over to NZ. | ||
| === Hobbsee hands ajmitch a rocket launcher | ||
| ajmitch | Hobbsee: not helpful | 05:07 |
| Hobbsee | awww... | 05:07 |
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| jlkenyon2012 | hey, this is where the universe maintainers hang out? | 05:22 |
| Fujitsu | jlkenyon2012, yes. | 05:23 |
| Hobbsee | yuep | 05:23 |
| Hobbsee | er, yep | 05:23 |
| jlkenyon2012 | cool, I didn't get lost this time | 05:23 |
| jlkenyon2012 | so if I were interested in making packages for distribution via apt, I would need the blessing of someone here | 05:24 |
| bddebian | apt does not create packages | 05:25 |
| Fujitsu | bddebian, distribution via apt. | 05:25 |
| bddebian | Oh hehe, I misread that | 05:25 |
| jlkenyon2012 | yeah, although I do need to learn how to make packages first | 05:26 |
| jlkenyon2012 | I am still torn between gentoo and ubuntu, and leaning towards gentoo just because portage has more of the obscure packages that I require at times... but with any open project, a failure remains only because the users allow it | 05:27 |
| bddebian | jlkenyon2012: So get them in the Ubuntu repositories :-) | 05:27 |
| jlkenyon2012 | and that is not too difficult to do? | 05:28 |
| Fujitsu | jlkenyon2012, I've done it twice, so it's not too difficult, no. | 05:29 |
| LaserJock | jlkenyon2012: don't you have some sysadmining to do? ;-) | 05:30 |
| jlkenyon2012 | hey Jordan | 05:30 |
| jlkenyon2012 | yeah... I but I usually stop sysadmining after about 7 | 05:30 |
| bddebian | heh | 05:31 |
| jlkenyon2012 | usually that is about when drinking begins, and I have found that the two don't mix well | 05:31 |
| bddebian | Bah, sysadmining gets better the more alcohol is infused :-) | 05:31 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: don't encourage him | 05:32 |
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| ajmitch | bddebian: that explains a lot | 05:32 |
| LaserJock | I need him to keep my wiki alive :-) | 05:32 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: :-) | 05:32 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: What are you trying to say? ;-) | 05:32 |
| ajmitch | nothing.. nothing at all | 05:32 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: you know what he's saying | 05:32 |
| jlkenyon2012 | hehehe... I've written some pretty inspired code while under the influence, but when my finances are at stake, I tend to err on the side of caution | 05:33 |
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| LaserJock | jlkenyon2012: if you want to figure out how to package then check out the Ubuntu Packaging Guide | 05:35 |
| LaserJock | !packagingguide | 05:36 |
| ubotu | The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | 05:36 |
| jlkenyon2012 | so this topic asks "Have you Reviewed a package on REVU yet today?", what does mean? is REVU a means by which the community can verify the integrity of packages in the repositories? (speculating?) | 05:36 |
| jlkenyon2012 | cool | 05:36 |
| LaserJock | it's a reviewing system | 05:36 |
| LaserJock | !revu | 05:36 |
| ubotu | REVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU | 05:36 |
| jlkenyon2012 | this bot is pretty good | 05:37 |
| LaserJock | so basically, you create a source package and upload it to REVU | 05:37 |
| LaserJock | then MOTU review it and give feedback, etc. | 05:37 |
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| LaserJock | if a MOTU is ok with it going into Universe they give it a vote | 05:37 |
| LaserJock | 2 votes and it's in | 05:37 |
| LaserJock | jlkenyon2012: oh, the bot's even better then that | 05:38 |
| LaserJock | !info ghemical edgy | 05:38 |
| ubotu | ghemical: A GNOME molecular modelling environment. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.01-2 (edgy), package size 1790 kB, installed size 3028 kB | 05:38 |
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| ajmitch | ubugtu is better | 05:38 |
| LaserJock | mhm | 05:38 |
| ajmitch | bug 59166 | 05:38 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 59166 in f-spot "Mono segfaults in dbus_pending_call_get_completed()" [Unknown,Rejected] http://launchpad.net/bugs/59166 | 05:38 |
| jlkenyon2012 | zounds! | 05:39 |
| jlkenyon2012 | now I am more interested in the bots than I am in the packaging process | 05:39 |
| ajmitch | oh dear | 05:39 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: don't distract him with shiny things | 05:39 |
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| nixternal | haha | 05:40 |
| jlkenyon2012 | well, now that I have a place to start reading, I am gonna book mark it and get back to working on tomorrow's lesson plan | 05:40 |
| LaserJock | jlkenyon2012: what are you teaching? | 05:40 |
| jlkenyon2012 | LaserJock: although this is somewhat unofficial, I am teaching an SP topic in programming languages over in SEM | 05:41 |
| jlkenyon2012 | LaserJock: Tomorrow is MySQL | 05:41 |
| AnAnt | YourSQL ? | 05:42 |
| bddebian | heh | 05:42 |
| jlkenyon2012 | something like that... | 05:42 |
| jlkenyon2012 | OurSQL? | 05:42 |
| LaserJock | heh | 05:42 |
| bddebian | HerSQL | 05:43 |
| jlkenyon2012 | ideally, it would be taught by one of the normal teachers, but the teacher I had for networks was stuck in the age of token ring and coax ethernet | 05:43 |
| jlkenyon2012 | much to my dismay I had to apply some of that knowledge to the systems in the basement in chemistry :-( | 05:44 |
| ajmitch | ah, modern technology | 05:44 |
| ajmitch | that's scary | 05:44 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: you don't want to know | 05:44 |
| bddebian | What, no arcnet? | 05:45 |
| LaserJock | jlkenyon2012: on one of the clusters? | 05:45 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: well, the morse code machine broke :/ | 05:45 |
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| bddebian | LaserJock: :) | 05:46 |
| jlkenyon2012 | LaserJock: one of the old Sun machines interfaced with its TOF laser unit via AUI which fed into an AUI to Coax adapter, and fed Coax into the machine | 05:46 |
| ajmitch | jlkenyon2012: fragile? | 05:46 |
| jlkenyon2012 | LaserJock: And that adapter was not set right, one of the little dipswitches was set wrong | 05:47 |
| LaserJock | oh jeeze | 05:47 |
| jlkenyon2012 | I have never felt so confused by a network setup... when I flipped the "50 Ohm" switch and everything suddenly "just worked" I called it a miracle | 05:47 |
| ajmitch | heh | 05:48 |
| LaserJock | ah well | 05:48 |
| LaserJock | now we just need to take over the CIL | 05:49 |
| jlkenyon2012 | that would be nice | 05:50 |
| jlkenyon2012 | what do you think of them putting Dr. Woo in charge of that? | 05:50 |
| LaserJock | jlkenyon2012: you think lew would mind if we replaced all the NMR computers with Ubuntu boxen? | 05:50 |
| LaserJock | jlkenyon2012: really? | 05:50 |
| LaserJock | argg, I gotta go | 05:51 |
| jlkenyon2012 | LaserJock: later | 05:51 |
| LaserJock | good night MOTU land | 05:51 |
| Fujitsu | With bug #58852, I think an archive person just needs to send it back to the buildds... | 05:51 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 58852 in kismet "Kismet in edgy still depends on ethereal-common " [Untriaged,Needs info] http://launchpad.net/bugs/58852 | 05:51 |
| Fujitsu | Goodnight, LaserJock. | 05:51 |
| LaserJock | be nice to jlkenyon2012, he keeps my computers running | 05:51 |
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| bddebian | Gnight folks | 06:48 |
| Fujitsu | 'night. | 06:48 |
| chillywilly | bddebian always runs off to bed ;P | 06:51 |
| chillywilly | I'll sleep when I'm dead | 06:51 |
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| superm1 | hey all - is it the end of REVU day, or would a MOTU be willing to fit in one more? | 07:16 |
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| Hobbsee | superm1: where's the package? | 07:18 |
| superm1 | the mythtv package I put on revu | 07:18 |
| superm1 | its a diff from one I put up about a week ago | 07:18 |
| superm1 | that was accepted | 07:18 |
| superm1 | I changed two small things with it | 07:18 |
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| Hobbsee | didnt imbrandon upload that? | 07:25 |
| superm1 | he uploaded it to edgy | 07:26 |
| superm1 | I uploaded it to revu | 07:26 |
| Hobbsee | true | 07:26 |
| superm1 | I'm looking to become a MOTU myself, actually going to be in a community council meeting tomorrow to start the process, and then I can say that I personally uploaded some things :) | 07:27 |
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| Fujitsu | superm1, the meeting is in 6.5 hours. | 07:27 |
| superm1 | yea I know I need to get some rest..... | 07:27 |
| Fujitsu | Ah. | 07:28 |
| superm1 | my roomate keeps telling me that too | 07:28 |
| Fujitsu | Good idea. | 07:28 |
| Fujitsu | Go to bed! :P | 07:28 |
| superm1 | just finishing my wiki page ;) | 07:28 |
| Fujitsu | Yay :) | 07:28 |
| ajmitch | superm1: you have a consistent number & quality of contributions? | 07:28 |
| superm1 | well I have recently started to contribute to REVU in the last week or two. prior to this, its been a lot off record stuff. I ran my own repo with packages for myth and such | 07:29 |
| superm1 | well off record in the sense that I never pushed for them to be included | 07:29 |
| superm1 | ajmitch: you can take a look at my wiki page as of now if you'd like to see what I have: | 07:30 |
| superm1 | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/superm1 | 07:30 |
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| Kagou | hi | 08:27 |
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| dholbach | good morning | 09:13 |
| Fujitsu | Evening. | 09:14 |
| imbrandon | heya dholbach | 09:15 |
| imbrandon | ello Fujitsu | 09:15 |
| Fujitsu | Hi imbrandon. | 09:15 |
| Hobbsee | hey dholbach, Fujitsu, imbrandon | 09:16 |
| dholbach | heya Hobbsee, hey imbrandon | 09:16 |
| Fujitsu | Hi Hobbsee. | 09:16 |
| dholbach | imbrandon: I didn't get telepathy-qt building - I'm not clever enough for the new kde world | 09:17 |
| dholbach | imbrandon: I hope andrunko will come to #kubuntu-devel and figure it out with you guys | 09:17 |
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| dholbach | imbrandon: he's upstream for it and would love to see it in edgy | 09:17 |
| imbrandon | dholbach: sure ;) | 09:17 |
| imbrandon | dholbach: if you can point me to a website i can poke at it a bit too | 09:18 |
| dholbach | imbrandon: the packaging is in bzr on launchpad, the source is aaaaat: ... | 09:18 |
| imbrandon | kk | 09:18 |
| dholbach | https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/tapioca-voip/trunk/telepathy-qt (svn) | 09:20 |
| dholbach | i'm sure he'll show up on irc sooner or later | 09:20 |
| dholbach | and maybe he has another idea how to get it going :) | 09:20 |
| imbrandon | ok, sounds great ;) | 09:20 |
| imbrandon | bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~telepathy/telepathy-qt/ubuntu | 09:21 |
| dholbach | it seems to be a matter of build-depends | 09:21 |
| imbrandon | err doh | 09:21 |
| dholbach | but i'm not sure | 09:21 |
| dholbach | D'oh? | 09:21 |
| imbrandon | dident alt+tab to the right window | 09:21 |
| dholbach | ahh :) | 09:21 |
| ajmitch | hey imbrandon, dholbach | 09:23 |
| imbrandon | heya ajmitch | 09:24 |
| ajmitch | how'd your revu day go? :) | 09:24 |
| dholbach | hey ajmitch | 09:24 |
| dholbach | it was quite ok, although I wished I'd have managed to do more | 09:25 |
| dholbach | how was yours? | 09:25 |
| dholbach | maybe we can do another one at the end of the week? | 09:25 |
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| dholbach | matiu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU is the process for getting packages included | 09:25 |
| dholbach | matiu: but for edgy we have to be quick... Sep 28th is UniverseFreeze | 09:26 |
| matiu | ooo | 09:26 |
| dholbach | and to be frank, we have a constant lack of reviewers :) | 09:26 |
| dholbach | I was just saying | 09:26 |
| dholbach | maybe we can do another one (REVU day) at the end of the week? | 09:26 |
| dholbach | :-) | 09:26 |
| imbrandon | dholbach: sounds good to me | 09:26 |
| dholbach | super | 09:26 |
| dholbach | friday? | 09:27 |
| imbrandon | friday ( anyday ) heh is good, maybe a revu weekend fri-sat too to catch the people that work durring the week | 09:27 |
| imbrandon | but i dont have that problem sooo. | 09:27 |
| imbrandon | a 48 hours one last pull before universe freeze | 09:28 |
| imbrandon | s/hours/hour | 09:28 |
| dholbach | yeah | 09:30 |
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| ajmitch | dholbach: or we just keep reviewing as long as we can :) | 09:31 |
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| imbrandon | dholbach: ping | 10:03 |
| dholbach | imbrandon: pong | 10:03 |
| imbrandon | ok got it building, there are a few more errors to work out | 10:03 |
| imbrandon | but the main thing is the build-deps | 10:03 |
| imbrandon | Build-Depends: cdbs, debhelper (>= 5), libqt4-core, cmake, qt4-dev-tools, libqt4-dev | 10:03 |
| dholbach | oh nice | 10:03 |
| imbrandon | ^^ needs to be that | 10:04 |
| dholbach | ok cool | 10:04 |
| dholbach | you see that I have no clue :) | 10:04 |
| ajmitch | heh | 10:04 |
| imbrandon | hehe well i had a bit of help from Riddell too ;) | 10:04 |
| ajmitch | dholbach: you'd be the last person we could say that about | 10:05 |
| === ajmitch has a broken kiwi :( | ||
| dholbach | imbrandon, Riddell: thanks a lot | 10:05 |
| ajmitch | seems that changes in python-twisted have broken epyrun | 10:06 |
| imbrandon | dholbach: past that it looks to be an error in the svn code is all thats holding it up | 10:06 |
| ajmitch | which is unlikely since it hasn't had any changes for awhile | 10:06 |
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| imbrandon | dholbach: one sec i'll pastebin for you to see | 10:06 |
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| imbrandon | dholbach: looks like an error in the channel.h in svn , but the package attempts to build now ( with those build-deps ) http://pastebin.ca/175931 | 10:08 |
| dholbach | hum | 10:09 |
| dholbach | I'll tell andrunko to look at it | 10:14 |
| dholbach | thanks for your efforts | 10:14 |
| imbrandon | dholbach: np, still messing with it too , it might be a qt-bus dep , i dunno without really knowing what all the code uses, i'm trying a few diffrentinthgs | 10:20 |
| imbrandon | qt-dbus* | 10:20 |
| imbrandon | dholbach: it looks like a qt-dus thing and ..... 03:23 < Riddell> imbrandon: so not much we can do until qt 4.2 comes out | 10:24 |
| imbrandon | unfortinutely | 10:24 |
| dholbach | oh | 10:25 |
| dholbach | ok | 10:25 |
| dholbach | I'll tell him | 10:25 |
| imbrandon | nota problem with the telepathy | 10:25 |
| dholbach | i wonder what he uses to build it | 10:25 |
| imbrandon | heh watch it be gentoo ;) | 10:26 |
| imbrandon | lol | 10:26 |
| dholbach | no no, he uses ubuntu too | 10:26 |
| imbrandon | ahh | 10:26 |
| dholbach | but he must have upstream cvs or something | 10:26 |
| imbrandon | possibly | 10:26 |
| matiu | would anyone adopt my package? | 10:27 |
| imbrandon | matiu: what package ? | 10:27 |
| matiu | there's a build script in the svn source | 10:27 |
| matiu | http://exelearning.org | 10:27 |
| dholbach | we should have that kind of stuff in ubuntu though | 10:27 |
| dholbach | as part of the "make upstream happy" spec | 10:27 |
| matiu | I build packages, but I'm not too hot with ubuntu, don't have much time y'know | 10:27 |
| imbrandon | dholbach: definately | 10:27 |
| ajmitch | matiu: good to see more kiwis involved anyway :) | 10:28 |
| matiu | it's not in ubuntu offiial yet... | 10:28 |
| matiu | thanks... | 10:28 |
| ajmitch | does it use the new python policy yet? | 10:28 |
| matiu | Is there someone who would maintain it and get into ubuntu official and ed-ubuntu.. ? | 10:28 |
| matiu | ajmitch: I don't know what the new python policy is... | 10:29 |
| imbrandon | matiu: your in the right room/place to ask ;) | 10:29 |
| matiu | Our ubuntu package is the most popular linux download | 10:29 |
| matiu | second only to windoze | 10:29 |
| ajmitch | quite a large source tarball :) | 10:29 |
| matiu | overtook rpm this year... | 10:29 |
| matiu | yeah, it's a bit mucky, including twisted, nevow and formless | 10:30 |
| matiu | I can take them out (except nevow) | 10:30 |
| ajmitch | ouch | 10:30 |
| ajmitch | it can't build with an external python-nevow? | 10:30 |
| matiu | trouble is we depend on an older version that's not available in dapper onwards | 10:30 |
| ajmitch | hm | 10:31 |
| matiu | We tried 3 times to upgrade it, but get wierd slowing down problems | 10:31 |
| ajmitch | the debian packaging isn't in the source tarball I see, which is fine (and probably preferred) | 10:31 |
| matiu | the webserver gets slower and slower after each request. Haven't been able to fix it | 10:31 |
| matiu | ajmitch: really, it's just a super hack, to make ubuntu users happy. But I'd really like to see get into edubuntu official | 10:32 |
| ajmitch | right | 10:32 |
| ajmitch | so it may need done from scratch? | 10:32 |
| matiu | but I'm the lead developer and have too much on my plate to work out how to make packages. | 10:32 |
| ajmitch | is it a python extension or a python module? | 10:32 |
| matiu | Some people voluteered to do it, then dissappeared. about 3 times now :( | 10:33 |
| matiu | It's really an app | 10:33 |
| matiu | doesn't actually install in /usr/lib/python2.4 | 10:33 |
| ajmitch | ah right | 10:33 |
| matiu | just all goes into /usr/share/exe | 10:33 |
| ajmitch | and some stuff in /usr/bin? | 10:33 |
| matiu | yeah, one file | 10:33 |
| matiu | called 'exe' | 10:33 |
| matiu | :) | 10:33 |
| ajmitch | naming is a little difficult :) | 10:34 |
| matiu | yeah. Try searching for it! | 10:34 |
| imbrandon | lol | 10:34 |
| matiu | we're moving to exelearning name. better | 10:34 |
| ajmitch | dependencies? | 10:34 |
| matiu | just twisted really | 10:35 |
| ajmitch | ok | 10:35 |
| ajmitch | standard distutils install? | 10:35 |
| matiu | and formless, perhaps. If twisted doesn't already depend on it | 10:35 |
| matiu | (also it includes a cusomised firefox) | 10:35 |
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| matiu | That's another reason for bigness | 10:35 |
| matiu | Do you think there's any chance of getting it in official? or too evil? | 10:36 |
| ajmitch | ouch | 10:36 |
| ajmitch | the customised firefox would probably be the main killer | 10:36 |
| matiu | We could probably make it work with normal firefox | 10:36 |
| matiu | only there would be two menus... | 10:37 |
| matiu | not very professional looking | 10:37 |
| matiu | actually we could make a server only app | 10:37 |
| matiu | aw. I don't know. Maybe not | 10:38 |
| matiu | our ff has some chrome edits and accepts some undocumented command line options | 10:38 |
| matiu | that ubuntu firefox sometimes does and sometimes doesn't | 10:38 |
| matiu | depending on each release of it | 10:38 |
| matiu | the command line opts allow us to launch a special profile with special low security settings allowing our "localhost" web server to write files etc... | 10:39 |
| matiu | I'm sorry. I have to fly. I'll see if I can catch up again tommorrow ajmitch. Thanks for your help. | 10:40 |
| ajmitch | alright, see you later | 10:40 |
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| \sh | how long does it take nowadays for a sync to happen? | 11:08 |
| ajmitch | depends on how often you nag kamion/keybuk | 11:08 |
| ajmitch | but it seems to be a few days at least | 11:08 |
| ajmitch | I think it's keybuk's archive day today | 11:08 |
| ajmitch | shawarma: what are you doing uploading nm plugins? | 11:11 |
| Plug | NM plugins you say? | 11:11 |
| ajmitch | yes | 11:11 |
| ajmitch | vpnc, openvpn, & pptp | 11:11 |
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| \sh | ajmitch: thx...so I wait until universe UVF | 11:15 |
| \sh | ;) | 11:15 |
| ajmitch | \sh: or you bug them mercilessly | 11:15 |
| \sh | well, after I file some more sync reports ,) | 11:16 |
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| ajmitch | though I've got to update some of my debian package first | 11:16 |
| \sh | I'm waiting for my hp blade enclosure to deploy ... DC has some problems with giving me MACs and ILO PWs | 11:16 |
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| Yagisan | dumb question time, do we have packages of nvidias cg compiler ? | 01:35 |
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| phanatic | hello everyone | 02:05 |
| ajmitch | hi phanatic | 02:05 |
| phanatic | hi ajmitch | 02:05 |
| Fujitsu | Hi phanatic. | 02:05 |
| phanatic | hey Fujitsu | 02:05 |
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| AnAnt | ping dholbach | 02:21 |
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| dholbach | <andrunko> dholbach: /home/brandon/devel/telepathy-qt/telepathy-qt-0.1.0/./include/QtTelepathy/channel.h:21:25: error: QtDBus/QtDBus: No such file or directory | 02:30 |
| dholbach | imbrandon: <andrunko> dholbach: strange, can you pastebin dpkg -L libdbus-qt4-1-dev | 02:30 |
| tseng | /nick imdholbach | 02:30 |
| slomo | dholbach, imbrandon: wrong package name... should be liqt4-core-kdecopy-dev or something like that | 02:33 |
| imbrandon | dholbach: lemme finish eating ( breakfast time hehehe ) then i'll look | 02:33 |
| imbrandon | dholbach: ohhh thats what i was saying earlier , libdbus-qt4-1-dev isnt installable atm, Riddell said we would have to wait for the qt4.2 update | 02:35 |
| imbrandon | slomo: wha ? | 02:35 |
| dholbach | imbrandon: ok, right | 02:36 |
| slomo | libdbus-qt4-1-dev is to be removed rsn | 02:36 |
| slomo | the dbus qt4 bindings moved to qt4 upstream and are in the qt4-x11-kdecopy package | 02:36 |
| imbrandon | hrm ok lemme try it with that | 02:36 |
| imbrandon | guess i should have known heh | 02:37 |
| imbrandon | slomo: you sure thats the right package? ...... | 02:37 |
| imbrandon | brandon@horatio:~/devel/pytunes$ sudo apt-cache search qt4-x11-kdecopy | 02:37 |
| imbrandon | brandon@horatio:~/devel/pytunes$ | 02:37 |
| slomo | imbrandon: that's the source package name | 02:38 |
| imbrandon | ahh | 02:38 |
| slomo | imbrandon: libqt4-dev-kdecopy / libqt4-core-kdecopy | 02:38 |
| imbrandon | right, ok , sorry eating and not thinking ;) | 02:38 |
| slomo | np | 02:39 |
| AnAnt | dholbach: did you get my email ? | 02:39 |
| dholbach | AnAnt: yes | 02:39 |
| dholbach | AnAnt: I diffed the two debian/ dirs | 02:39 |
| dholbach | AnAnt: it seems you changed the debhelper build-depends version | 02:40 |
| AnAnt | dholbach: yup | 02:40 |
| dholbach | AnAnt: I couldn't see why that was necessary | 02:40 |
| AnAnt | dholbach: because when I leave it as it is, the REVUers tell me that : compat should be set to 5, debhelper to >= (5.0.0), Standards-Version to 3.7.2 | 02:40 |
| dholbach | then you should tell them: this is a package update - I want to keep the diff small | 02:41 |
| AnAnt | what diff ? | 02:41 |
| dholbach | that's a valid and good argument | 02:41 |
| dholbach | diff ubuntu debian | 02:41 |
| tseng | Hobbsee: man it takes forever to build ethereal | 02:41 |
| AnAnt | why would this make the diff big ? | 02:41 |
| dholbach | not big | 02:41 |
| dholbach | but it's an unnecessary change | 02:41 |
| Hobbsee | tseng: *g* | 02:41 |
| Hobbsee | tseng: what do you have to build it forthis time? | 02:42 |
| tseng | Hobbsee: i am trying to build it with gtk 1.2 to spot a "regression" | 02:42 |
| Hobbsee | ah | 02:42 |
| tseng | Hobbsee: this is infuriating | 02:42 |
| tseng | Hobbsee: ...we run it over remote X11 to windows clients | 02:42 |
| dholbach | AnAnt: nevermind - it was a sidenote - I uploaded it anyway... it's just a difference, if it's a package YOU maintain or if it's a package you have to merge every now and then | 02:42 |
| tseng | for network staff | 02:42 |
| tseng | Hobbsee: now that it was running good for awhile people will not believe that remote X is shit and this was a bad idea from the onset | 02:43 |
| tseng | Hobbsee: it must be fixed!!!!1 | 02:43 |
| AnAnt | dholbach: yeah, I know it was a sidenote, but I needed to understand | 02:43 |
| dholbach | AnAnt: sure | 02:43 |
| AnAnt | dholbach: I didn't understand that "if it's a package YOU maintain or if it's a package you have to merge every now and then" part | 02:43 |
| dholbach | AnAnt: you didn't or you still don't? | 02:43 |
| Hobbsee | tseng: hehe, ouch, yes | 02:43 |
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| AnAnt | dholbach: still don't | 02:45 |
| dholbach | AnAnt: ok. setting the Standards-Version is nice - so if it's a package where you write the packaging and you maintain it, you should have it. | 02:46 |
| dholbach | AnAnt: if it's a package that we sync from debian and it's the easiest way for us to have good quality software, it's nice if we can just sync it | 02:46 |
| dholbach | AnAnt: if there are changes, we can't sync, we have to check the changes | 02:46 |
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| AnAnt | dholbach: ok, I noticed that Debian hasn't done any apcalc packages since Jan, so did they stop ? | 02:47 |
| dholbach | AnAnt: if changes are not necessary, one has to contemplate how much the change is | 02:47 |
| dholbach | AnAnt: that's something you need to ask the maintainer of the package - I don't know | 02:47 |
| AnAnt | dholbach: ok, thanks | 02:47 |
| dholbach | Ok, super. | 02:48 |
| AnAnt | dholbach: ok how about this question | 02:48 |
| AnAnt | dholbach: sometimes if I use the Debian diff as it is, the resulting binary debs got some lintian/linda issues | 02:48 |
| dholbach | if you forward the diff to the debian maintainer, that's cool | 02:49 |
| AnAnt | dholbach: like in the case of apcalc, the .menu file is in the apcalc-common instead of the apcalc package, and the FSF address is old | 02:49 |
| dholbach | to me "making linda happy" was only important for my packages | 02:49 |
| AnAnt | dholbach: ok, that's better idea indeed | 02:49 |
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| Fujitsu | Thanks, \sh. | 02:54 |
| AnAnt | dholbach: ok, thanks for the info | 02:55 |
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| lophyte | dholbach: you got a minute? | 02:55 |
| dholbach | lophyte: yes | 02:56 |
| lophyte | dholbach: you mentioned in your email to take a look at broken edgy packages and fix them.. I was just wondering, how do I know that someone else isn't already working on a particular package? | 02:56 |
| dholbach | lophyte: we have a lot of packages ;) | 02:56 |
| lophyte | haha, I noticed | 02:57 |
| dholbach | lophyte: if there's a specific bug you work on, you can simply add a comment "working on it" | 02:57 |
| lophyte | where would I add that? | 02:57 |
| dholbach | a comment on the bug? | 02:57 |
| lophyte | yeah | 02:57 |
| dholbach | http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs | 02:58 |
| lophyte | ahhh, okay | 02:58 |
| dholbach | right | 02:58 |
| dholbach | lophyte: if it's a package of a "working list", you could just say "looking at <something>" in the channel - that's good enough | 02:58 |
| lophyte | alright | 02:58 |
| dholbach | we can't fully circumvent clashes, but they don't happen that often | 02:58 |
| lophyte | so should I check the launchpad for bugs first, or use apt-cache -i unmet as a guide for finding packages to work on? | 02:59 |
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| dholbach | lophyte: there's a lot to do: if you find something that interests you, just go ahead | 03:00 |
| lophyte | alright | 03:00 |
| dholbach | we should definitely set up some working lists soon again | 03:00 |
| dholbach | and maybe have a motu meeting to discuss objectives until release | 03:01 |
| dholbach | like getting lists of packages that don't build anymore, etc | 03:01 |
| Fujitsu | Yeah, that'd be good. | 03:01 |
| dholbach | Unfortunately I'm very busy atm or I'd take matters in my own hands. | 03:01 |
| lophyte | I'm still working on going through the packaging guide | 03:01 |
| ajmitch | the rest of us can tackle it | 03:02 |
| === Fujitsu will do anything he can. | ||
| ajmitch | dholbach: I'll check with infinity to see if he can do a test build & give us the results | 03:02 |
| dholbach | If somebody comes across an easy package to tackle for lophyte, please do so. | 03:03 |
| lophyte | thanks :) | 03:03 |
| dholbach | lophyte: you ROCK! :) | 03:03 |
| ajmitch | dholbach: what lists do we want this time? FTBFS, out of date, etc? | 03:04 |
| Hobbsee | dholbach: good idea | 03:04 |
| dholbach | ajmitch: unmetdeps too | 03:04 |
| ajmitch | ok | 03:04 |
| ajmitch | unmetdeps should be easy enough | 03:04 |
| dholbach | and of course our bugs | 03:04 |
| ajmitch | yeah | 03:04 |
| dholbach | it'd be great to get a big picture of stuff we should really fix | 03:04 |
| Fujitsu | It'd be very nice, yes. | 03:05 |
| ajmitch | you managed to get a response on setting motu as bug contact for everything in universe? | 03:05 |
| dholbach | no, I sent the mail - no reply yet | 03:05 |
| ajmitch | the problem is that some packages are more equal than others, so to speak | 03:05 |
| ajmitch | so maybe hooking it up to popcon again | 03:05 |
| dholbach | :-) | 03:05 |
| dholbach | yeah, I have the same feeling | 03:05 |
| ajmitch | goody, soyuz is missing the feature | 03:06 |
| tseng | yay | 03:07 |
| Fujitsu | Fantastic. | 03:08 |
| Fujitsu | I love having Launchpad being its useless self. | 03:08 |
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| ajmitch | dholbach: for example, I found that kiwi doesn't build anymore - it's nice to catch these errors | 03:09 |
| ajmitch | hi Q-FUNK | 03:09 |
| dholbach | ajmitch: yeah, that'd be very good | 03:09 |
| Fujitsu | It would be nice... Anybody feel like doing it manually? :P | 03:09 |
| dholbach | ajmitch: after UniverseFreeze we should really look at our bugs and give them prios | 03:09 |
| ajmitch | Fujitsu: sure | 03:10 |
| ajmitch | we have the technology | 03:10 |
| ajmitch | dholbach: will we have some people to approve universe freeze exceptions again? | 03:10 |
| ajmitch | I think mdz won't mind if there are some trusted people doing that | 03:11 |
| dholbach | slomo, siretart and I will do it - same process as last time | 03:11 |
| ajmitch | ok | 03:11 |
| jsgotangco | "we have technology" - reminds me of spongebob | 03:11 |
| dholbach | I think it worked quite well | 03:11 |
| tseng | jsgotangco: the 6 million dollar man | 03:11 |
| ajmitch | as long as you're not all too busy | 03:11 |
| jsgotangco | hahaha | 03:11 |
| jsgotangco | inflation has drowned the cost of the 6 million dollar man | 03:12 |
| tseng | but prosthetic knees have gone down in price | 03:12 |
| tseng | meh | 03:12 |
| slomo | dholbach: maybe with only 2/3 votes necessary this time to get things done a bit faster | 03:12 |
| dholbach | slomo: sounds good to me | 03:13 |
| dholbach | siretart: ^ agree? | 03:13 |
| ajmitch | slomo: please | 03:13 |
| slomo | ajmitch: hm? | 03:14 |
| ajmitch | slomo: I think it's a good idea not requiring all 3 | 03:14 |
| slomo | ajmitch: ok :) | 03:14 |
| ajmitch | since it puts pressure on you all to be on top of them :) | 03:14 |
| Q-FUNK | ajmitch: hi. I saw your sync request added to the package. thanks! | 03:15 |
| ajmitch | no problem | 03:15 |
| lophyte | dholbach: should i post to the mailing list that I'm looking for easy packages to fix? ;) | 03:16 |
| siretart | dholbach: I got my connectivity back, so I in theory I should be able to handle that. | 03:16 |
| dholbach | siretart: do you have objections to a 2/3 vote being ok? | 03:16 |
| siretart | dholbach: let's try, but if I get too slow, it might make sense to replace me. for now, I'm willing to do so | 03:16 |
| ajmitch | hey siretart | 03:17 |
| siretart | dholbach: I think 2/3 vote is very ok, unless the third one strongly objects ;) | 03:17 |
| siretart | huhu ajmitch | 03:17 |
| dholbach | siretart: I'm fully confident in you | 03:17 |
| dholbach | siretart, slomo: ok, agreed. | 03:17 |
| dholbach | lophyte: sounds like a good idea - we should make that a nice big thread with ideas for the next weeks until release | 03:17 |
| lophyte | alright | 03:18 |
| dholbach | lophyte: thanks for doing it | 03:18 |
| === ajmitch will get onto writing up some lists | ||
| ajmitch | infinity is working out something with wanna-build & getting us build results | 03:19 |
| slomo | siretart: any idea when you will have time for liba52? :) | 03:19 |
| siretart | ajmitch: testrebuilds like in hoary? | 03:19 |
| ajmitch | :1:> apt-cache -i unmet |grep Package |wc -l | 03:19 |
| ajmitch | 226 | 03:19 |
| ajmitch | siretart: yes | 03:19 |
| siretart | slomo: ask me again tonight :) | 03:19 |
| ajmitch | we've got a few unmet deps according to a quick count there | 03:20 |
| slomo | siretart: ok :) | 03:20 |
| lophyte | sent | 03:20 |
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| phanatic | hey raphink | 03:21 |
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| raphink | hi phanatic | 03:22 |
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| \sh | why can't hp deliver blades with pxe boot enabled by default...*gnarf* | 03:23 |
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| siretart | dholbach: do we want to use tags for uvf approval this time? | 03:29 |
| dholbach | hum | 03:29 |
| dholbach | why not 'motu-uvf'? | 03:29 |
| siretart | dholbach: I think we can track uvf request more easily after they got approved | 03:29 |
| dholbach | hm | 03:29 |
| dholbach | hmhm | 03:30 |
| dholbach | :-) | 03:30 |
| dholbach | slomo: what do you think? | 03:30 |
| siretart | dholbach: the current process is, that after it got approved, the task gets assigned to someone. | 03:30 |
| siretart | and after that reassignemt, we loose the track that it once was an uvf request | 03:30 |
| dholbach | siretart: we can stay subscribed to it and track the status, no? | 03:30 |
| slomo | siretart, dholbach: i don't care... subscribing worked fine last time but tags would probably work fine too | 03:30 |
| slomo | siretart: that's why we don't assign but subscribe | 03:30 |
| siretart | true as well. hm | 03:30 |
| ajmitch | keep it consistent, subscribe | 03:31 |
| ajmitch | every other team works by subscribing | 03:31 |
| siretart | ok | 03:34 |
| siretart | so this is the authoritative worklist for the uvf team: https://launchpad.net/people/motu-uvf/+subscribedbugs | 03:35 |
| siretart | luckily only one request so far :) | 03:35 |
| ajmitch | great | 03:36 |
| slomo | does universe freeze start today already? i thought 28th september | 03:36 |
| ajmitch | it should be for people who have packages ready, not for random requests | 03:37 |
| === Nafallo thought so to | ||
| ajmitch | slomo: you're right, but we want stuff in place before then | 03:37 |
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| ajmitch | night all | 03:43 |
| bddebian | Heya gang | 03:43 |
| bddebian | Gnight ajmitch | 03:43 |
| dholbach | sleep tight ajmitch | 03:43 |
| dholbach | hey bddebian | 03:43 |
| bddebian | HI Daniel | 03:43 |
| Nafallo | gnight ajmitch | 03:43 |
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| fabo | i have uploaded transkode 0.6b2 and always nothing on revu.tauware.de | 04:08 |
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| fabo | there's a previous version 0.5b already on revu but not uploded by me | 04:09 |
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| fabo | no revu admin around ? | 04:15 |
| Hobbsee | fabo: is yours listed further down that page? | 04:16 |
| fabo | package yes but not my version on revu.tauware.de | 04:16 |
| fabo | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2261 | 04:17 |
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| bddebian | Doh, what time is meeting today? | 04:58 |
| Fujitsu | Which meeting? | 04:58 |
| Fujitsu | CC started 3 hours ago... | 04:59 |
| lophyte | and is still going. | 04:59 |
| bddebian | Oh fuck | 04:59 |
| Q-FUNK | oops | 04:59 |
| Fujitsu | bddebian, still going for quite some time. | 04:59 |
| Hobbsee | haha, yeah | 04:59 |
| Hobbsee | they're still not oone :P | 04:59 |
| Fujitsu | Why, bddebian? | 04:59 |
| Hobbsee | *done | 04:59 |
| Q-FUNK | well, not today for me | 04:59 |
| bddebian | I was going to speak for someone... | 04:59 |
| Fujitsu | And there's a fair bit to cover. | 04:59 |
| Q-FUNK | -> sauna | 04:59 |
| Fujitsu | bddebian, who? | 05:00 |
| Fujitsu | Currently doing Lie Ex, people before that have been done. | 05:00 |
| bddebian | Fujitsu: I don't remember.. My mind is mush lately :'-( | 05:01 |
| Fujitsu | :( | 05:01 |
| bddebian | I hate my freakin' life right now.. :-( | 05:09 |
| Nafallo | bddebian: aye! me as well. | 05:10 |
| Nafallo | bddebian: but my own... | 05:10 |
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| Nafallo | ajmitch: ping :_) | 07:52 |
| Nafallo | :-) | 07:52 |
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| AnAnt | dholbach: no one answered the elinks-full email | 08:06 |
| xerxas | is there some logs of the chan ? | 08:07 |
| LaserJock | xerxas: which channel? | 08:08 |
| LaserJock | this one? | 08:08 |
| xerxas | this one , and also desktop | 08:08 |
| xerxas | if there is | 08:08 |
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| LaserJock | http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ | 08:09 |
| crimsun | AnAnt: most people are fairly busy. I'll look in a bit. | 08:09 |
| Q-FUNK | howdy! if a DD is available to sponsor the upload to Debian, I have fixed a couple of bugs specific to Ubuntu on one of my packages. | 08:09 |
| AnAnt | crimsun: thanks | 08:10 |
| crimsun | Q-FUNK: err...specific to Ubuntu but you want uploaded to Debian? | 08:10 |
| crimsun | (you're probably better off asking in debian-mentors) | 08:11 |
| Q-FUNK | it changes nothing for the debian package and makes it finally work on ubuntu, just by changing the permissions on a file. | 08:11 |
| crimsun | right, a sync | 08:11 |
| Q-FUNK | first a sponsored uploa,d then a sync. | 08:11 |
| xerxas | LaserJock: thanks ! | 08:11 |
| xerxas | I found what I need :) | 08:11 |
| Q-FUNK | * Changed backend permissions to 6700 for Ubuntu (LP #36093, #42147). | 08:12 |
| crimsun | Q-FUNK: again, debian-mentors | 08:12 |
| Q-FUNK | no | 08:16 |
| Q-FUNK | wrong place to ask | 08:17 |
| Q-FUNK | too many ubuntu haters there | 08:17 |
| AnAnt | ? | 08:17 |
| AnAnt | debian ppl hate ubuntu ? | 08:17 |
| Q-FUNK | some do. thank goodness, not all of them. :) | 08:18 |
| crimsun | sigh, it has nothing to do with Ubuntu. If you want a package uploaded into Debian, you'd ask in the channel(s) relevant to Debian. | 08:18 |
| hub | how do I exclude somme documentation files with cdbs? | 08:18 |
| hub | hey Q-FUNK | 08:18 |
| AnAnt | hub: is cdbs easy to use ? | 08:18 |
| Q-FUNK | hub :) | 08:18 |
| hub | AnAnt: yeah | 08:19 |
| === Q-FUNK loves CDBS | ||
| AnAnt | hub: easier that debhelper ? | 08:19 |
| hub | AnAnt: it uses debhelper | 08:19 |
| AnAnt | ok | 08:19 |
| === LaserJock still has reservations about CDBS | ||
| LaserJock | it looks cool though | 08:19 |
| LaserJock | and I didn't think debian-mentors had very many Ubuntu haters | 08:20 |
| crimsun | meaning "it can use debhelper if you include the .mk" | 08:20 |
| LaserJock | I found sponsors pretty quickly | 08:20 |
| hub | LaserJock: I don't create a new package without using CDBS | 08:20 |
| hub | LaserJock: I'd rather not have to maintaine rules | 08:20 |
| Riddell | hub: DEB_INSTALL_DOCS_package = -Xfoo | 08:20 |
| hub | Riddell: ah ok | 08:21 |
| Riddell | I'm guessing :) | 08:21 |
| AnAnt | hub: is there a quick tutorial for using CDBS ? | 08:21 |
| hub | AnAnt: https://perso.duckcorp.org/duck/cdbs-doc/cdbs-doc.xhtml | 08:21 |
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| Q-FUNK | LaserJock: I've had bad experiences there in the past. you own mileage may vary :) | 08:22 |
| AnAnt | hub: so I still must use dh_make to create the debian/ directory | 08:24 |
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| hub | AnAnt: I copy stuff over | 08:26 |
| AnAnt | oh | 08:26 |
| === thom sighs at blind use of cdbs | ||
| Riddell | thom: where? | 08:30 |
| thom | Riddell: everywhere.anywhere | 08:31 |
| hub | Riddell: will you be at aKademy? | 08:31 |
| LaserJock | of course | 08:31 |
| Riddell | hub: sure | 08:31 |
| Riddell | I need to learn how to run akademy for next year | 08:32 |
| LaserJock | it isn't a magical black box if everybody knows how to use it properly ;-) | 08:32 |
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| hub | Riddell: in scottland? | 08:32 |
| Riddell | yes | 08:32 |
| thom | LaserJock: right, but i don't like magic at the best of times | 08:32 |
| hub | Riddell: see you there anyway. I arrive Sunday | 08:32 |
| Riddell | groovy | 08:32 |
| hub | I have to remember how to get to the tcd | 08:32 |
| hub | I did for Guadec 2003 :-) | 08:33 |
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| thom | i remember very little of guadec 2k3 | 08:33 |
| LaserJock | thom: me neither, that's why i don't use it much yet | 08:33 |
| hub | thom: well, it was a last minute attendance, sort of | 08:34 |
| hub | thom: I was job-less | 08:34 |
| thom | i think http://www.flickr.com/photos/rossburton/234077202/ sums up gu4dec very well for me | 08:36 |
| thom | hub: i was just mostly drunk | 08:36 |
| hub | thom: I was nively drunk too | 08:36 |
| hub | mjg59 looks funny | 08:37 |
| hub | I have heard that he is coming too | 08:37 |
| thom | he was amazingly hung over | 08:37 |
| thom | to akademy? yeah, think he and robot101 are | 08:37 |
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| hub | thom: will you be there? | 08:38 |
| === hub is going there not for his employer | ||
| hub | :-) | 08:39 |
| thom | nope, i have a release to do for work this week so the weekend is gonna be busy | 08:39 |
| hub | ah ok | 08:39 |
| hub | who do you work for? | 08:39 |
| thom | http://www.businessweek.com/print/bwdaily/dnflash/content/jul2006/db20060724_713810.htm | 08:40 |
| hub | I think I know a friend who work for them | 08:42 |
| hub | well he didnt' tell me who the company was nor the project | 08:42 |
| hub | well it is. got confirmation | 08:43 |
| thom | heh | 08:44 |
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| thom | small world | 08:44 |
| hub | thom: you work for them? | 08:45 |
| thom | yup | 08:47 |
| Adri2000 | hello all | 08:47 |
| Riddell | thom: mjg59 is going to akademy? | 08:47 |
| thom | Riddell: yeah, afaik | 08:49 |
| hub | Riddell: I have seen him on the wiki of departure | 08:49 |
| hub | more crazy people | 08:49 |
| hub | with free beer, it is dangerous | 08:49 |
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| iapx8088 | hi | 09:08 |
| iapx8088 | I would need some clarification about revision | 09:09 |
| iapx8088 | I did upload my package, and now? | 09:09 |
| iapx8088 | I must wait for someone to review it? | 09:11 |
| tseng | you can revise it any time | 09:12 |
| iapx8088 | mmh i see | 09:12 |
| iapx8088 | I cannot revise a package I made, it's better if someone else does | 09:12 |
| iapx8088 | of course if I find an error, I could reload the update. | 09:13 |
| iapx8088 | omg my english is awful in those two rows. | 09:13 |
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| tseng | right | 09:17 |
| tseng | revise is not the same as review | 09:17 |
| iapx8088 | haaaa ok I see | 09:17 |
| tseng | you cant review your own package | 09:17 |
| iapx8088 | okok | 09:17 |
| tseng | you can revise it :) update it with fix | 09:17 |
| iapx8088 | :D | 09:17 |
| iapx8088 | thanks | 09:17 |
| iapx8088 | no at the moment I would need someone to review it | 09:18 |
| iapx8088 | the legal part, especially | 09:18 |
| lfittl | iapx8088: which package is it? | 09:18 |
| iapx8088 | spice | 09:18 |
| iapx8088 | I had some useful links to previous debian discussions in the comment | 09:19 |
| iapx8088 | the ones that the form allowed me to put into | 09:19 |
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| iapx8088 | of course I already did the dirty work for the person that will threat the legal questions. | 09:22 |
| iapx8088 | myself, I'm an engineer and not very fond of licences and stuff | 09:22 |
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| lfittl | where exactly did you find the license in the upstream tarball? (the source files don't seem to have complete license headers) | 09:24 |
| iapx8088 | ok | 09:25 |
| iapx8088 | wait | 09:25 |
| iapx8088 | lfittl, the licence I saw was in debian/ and was here due the fact that it's a spin-off from the unofficial debian port | 09:26 |
| iapx8088 | but I believe there's a copy in the upstream tarball | 09:27 |
| iapx8088 | I'm searching | 09:27 |
| lfittl | iapx8088: ok, this seems to be a very complicated situation, have you talked to the debian port maintainer already? | 09:27 |
| iapx8088 | lfittl, no answer from it | 09:31 |
| lfittl | :/ | 09:31 |
| iapx8088 | sent two emails | 09:32 |
| lfittl | k, maybe I will take a look at it later this week, as it would require some time to review it | 09:33 |
| iapx8088 | ok | 09:33 |
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| iapx8088 | lfittl, I understand that spice is under the oldest BSD licence, so no GPLed code may be linked against it, so Debian refuses to package it. | 09:35 |
| iapx8088 | but basically, the licence is very free | 09:36 |
| iapx8088 | and if you asks berkeley, they don't answer, the ngspice team already pleaded them to change the license. | 09:36 |
| iapx8088 | anyway, my package like the debian one, is sort of a wrapper, it works only if You provide the source | 09:38 |
| lfittl | iapx8088: basically, apart from being non-commercial, it is free, but the source files don't have the correct license headers, which means the chance that this will get into ubuntu is very small | 09:38 |
| iapx8088 | I understand | 09:38 |
| Q-FUNK | any comment on bug #58392 ? | 09:38 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 58392 in upgrade-system "Could not calculate the upgrade..." [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/58392 | 09:38 |
| iapx8088 | I feared that | 09:38 |
| iapx8088 | I believe it will end like the Debian port, staying unofficial. | 09:38 |
| lfittl | still better than having no package available at all, just promote it somewhere so that people can find it ;) | 09:39 |
| iapx8088 | no problem for me, but it's a pity, SPICE is the mother of all simulators. | 09:39 |
| iapx8088 | and quite a reference. | 09:39 |
| iapx8088 | well, shame on berkeley and their attitude | 09:39 |
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| lfittl | yep, at least their attitude concerning licenses | 09:40 |
| iapx8088 | : | 09:41 |
| iapx8088 | :\ | 09:41 |
| Tutenstein | hi, what is the first step to getting involved in development...I have got much free time nowadays... | 09:41 |
| iapx8088 | lfittl, what i don't understand very well, is how ngspice (a spinoff) is in the repos... | 09:42 |
| iapx8088 | I mean, you take someone else code, you tweak it, and then it's ok? | 09:42 |
| ajmitch | morning | 09:43 |
| iapx8088 | there's something weird in the situation | 09:43 |
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| lfittl | it seems very weird to me, are there many people interested in having this packaged? | 09:44 |
| iapx8088 | mmmh I believe so. | 09:44 |
| iapx8088 | Imho yes, pratically all the el* engineers | 09:44 |
| iapx8088 | they resort to wine+ltspice actually | 09:45 |
| lfittl | can't they use the spinoff? | 09:45 |
| iapx8088 | probably, but the good in spice is that it's a reference, while in the spinoff they tweaked a little the algorithms, so you can't no longer say SPICE says so. | 09:45 |
| lfittl | ah, I see | 09:46 |
| iapx8088 | if you say ngspice says so, you are to be answered, and who the hell is it the guy behind ngspice? | 09:46 |
| iapx8088 | spice, old and crusty, bad and slow, is a safe reference, | 09:46 |
| Q-FUNK | morning ajmitch | 09:46 |
| lfittl | morning ajmitch | 09:47 |
| iapx8088 | but I would have to see better the work under ngspice, who knows? maybe they didn't tweak the algos | 09:47 |
| iapx8088 | anyway I see the point. | 09:47 |
| iapx8088 | If there's a way to put spice in ubuntu, I would be more than eager to mantain it. | 09:47 |
| iapx8088 | if not, long live ngspice :D | 09:48 |
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| lfittl | sure, and maybe there is a way to get it in, but it will take some time, so don't expect it to be in edgy | 09:48 |
| iapx8088 | we have time, we waited 100 years for SPICE | 09:49 |
| iapx8088 | :D | 09:49 |
| lfittl | :) | 09:49 |
| iapx8088 | the ngspice situation is more than interesting for me, I'm developing internally a spice on steroids and it would be great to put it on ubuntu | 09:50 |
| iapx8088 | I mean, I'm leaving alone the algos, and trying to settle the little big problems around. | 09:51 |
| iapx8088 | it would be a great thing, but what's the point of making it if I cannot relase it and the distros cannot package it...all lost work | 09:51 |
| iapx8088 | maybe I should drop a note to them | 09:52 |
| Mez | siretart: ping | 09:53 |
| siretart | Mez: pong | 09:53 |
| Mez | siretart: one sec - iot's regarding tiber | 09:54 |
| Mez | siretart: can you install automake1.9 on tiber please? | 09:56 |
| bddebian | Mez!!!!!! :-) | 09:58 |
| bddebian | Hey siretart | 09:58 |
| Mez | hey bddebian | 09:59 |
| Mez | siretart: ignore last message | 10:00 |
| Mez | I forgot to set the path to autoconf on the commnand line | 10:00 |
| siretart | Mez: done | 10:01 |
| siretart | huhu bddebian | 10:01 |
| LaserJock | hi siretart | 10:01 |
| ajmitch | hello siretart | 10:01 |
| LaserJock | hi bddebian | 10:01 |
| LaserJock | hola ajmitch | 10:01 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock! | 10:02 |
| siretart | n'evening LaserJock and ajmitch | 10:02 |
| bddebian | Heya LaserJock and ajmitch | 10:02 |
| ajmitch | one big round of introductions... | 10:02 |
| === Q-FUNK is slowly coming up to speed on launchpad usage | ||
| === Q-FUNK wonders what to do with bug #58392 | ||
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 58392 in upgrade-system "Could not calculate the upgrade..." [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/58392 | 10:03 |
| siretart | Q-FUNK: I had a friend who told me that launchpad was quite confusing at first. I think you get used to it after some time.. | 10:03 |
| ajmitch | Q-FUNK: it also doesn't have nearly enough info | 10:03 |
| Q-FUNK | siretart: the modal menus are what's confusing. they are considered a big no-no of UI design, usually. | 10:03 |
| Nafallo | fabbione compared it to doom :-) | 10:03 |
| Nafallo | IIRC | 10:04 |
| Q-FUNK | heh | 10:04 |
| ajmitch | Nafallo: a monster on every page? | 10:04 |
| Q-FUNK | :D | 10:04 |
| siretart | has anyone heard about a command 'lessdif'? (note the one 'f') | 10:04 |
| Nafallo | ajmitch: hehe, something like that ;-) | 10:04 |
| LaserJock | hmm, well I count ~10 less packages on REVU after REVU day :/ | 10:05 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: plus a number of comments & updates | 10:06 |
| LaserJock | well sure | 10:06 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: we just have to keep reviewing until freeze day | 10:06 |
| LaserJock | I'm wondering more about efficency though | 10:07 |
| ajmitch | in what way? | 10:07 |
| LaserJock | are we putting a lot of work into stuff that isn't making it into Universe? | 10:07 |
| ajmitch | yes | 10:07 |
| ajmitch | feel free to suggest how we can see what won't make it into universe :) | 10:07 |
| LaserJock | well, we'd need to analyze the problem first | 10:08 |
| LaserJock | is it that we just have low quality packages | 10:08 |
| ajmitch | low barrier of entry | 10:08 |
| LaserJock | or is it that we are hitting a lot of copyright/license problems | 10:08 |
| ajmitch | people upload packages, expect instant feedback, and don't update | 10:09 |
| LaserJock | or is it that people aren't getting feedback fast enough and give up | 10:09 |
| ajmitch | far more quality issues than licensing, from what I've seen | 10:09 |
| LaserJock | k | 10:09 |
| Q-FUNK | ajmitch: that would be them missing the part about droping by here or to -devle to ask for feedback | 10:09 |
| ajmitch | Q-FUNK: which they don't always get | 10:09 |
| Q-FUNK | ajmitch: why not? | 10:09 |
| ajmitch | because people aren't always around & available | 10:10 |
| Q-FUNK | ah | 10:10 |
| Q-FUNK | so impatience | 10:10 |
| ajmitch | sure :) | 10:10 |
| ajmitch | we can't do much about that | 10:10 |
| iapx8088 | I'm new, but I expect to start reviewing, not just sit here and wait for someone to slash my ill-driven package. | 10:11 |
| iapx8088 | ;-( | 10:11 |
| Q-FUNK | is there any way we could incorporate some sort of mentoring in a more systematic way, so that true bleu beginers get a helping hand for their first few packages? | 10:11 |
| ajmitch | we've tried, there's a list of willing mentors | 10:12 |
| Q-FUNK | at debian, the systematic feedback I get from sponsors and from my AM have helped me increase the quality of my packages really quick. | 10:12 |
| ajmitch | in debian, there are a lot more people to sponsor & give feedback | 10:12 |
| Q-FUNK | call me silly, but I think that forcing people to first go thru sponsored uploads with sponsor's feedback turns out to have benefits, on that aspect | 10:13 |
| LaserJock | that's what we do | 10:13 |
| Q-FUNK | where it goes silly is that right next to it, the step towards DD via NM is huge | 10:13 |
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| Q-FUNK | I'm wondering if there's any way to find a better balance betwen the sometimes lax quality of packages due to poor feedback and the 3-year queue in NM? | 10:14 |
| LaserJock | mentors.debian.net currently has about the same number of packages as REVU | 10:15 |
| LaserJock | Q-FUNK: I thought that was called MOTU ;-) | 10:15 |
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| Q-FUNK | ;) | 10:15 |
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| shawarma | ajmitch: (about the nm plugins) I had them in my own repository and I noticed that they were referenced all over the place, so I figured I might as well upload them, so people can just get them directly from the universe goodness instead of adding my repository. They really shouldn't trust people like me. :-) | 10:16 |
| ajmitch | shawarma: uploading stuff over what other people have packaged isn't polite :) | 10:16 |
| iapx8088 | can I say something, the word of a brand new-blue? | 10:16 |
| shawarma | ajmitch: Oh, shit, they were already there? | 10:16 |
| ajmitch | yes | 10:16 |
| Q-FUNK | between the (percieved but not always true) low quality that sometimes slip into universe and the black beret hazing of debian, there's gotta be a middle ground | 10:16 |
| LaserJock | creating better MOTUs :-) | 10:17 |
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| shawarma | ajmitch: I didn't even notice. I was reading the NetworkManager FAQ and saw them referenced, so someone clearly wants/needs them. | 10:17 |
| ajmitch | we try & keep the quality bar high enough for universe | 10:17 |
| Q-FUNK | shawarma: gotta admit that your nickname rings of delicious grilled meat ;) | 10:17 |
| ajmitch | sure, some people may be stricter on quality than others, but I'd hope that we're not letting through obvious crack :) | 10:18 |
| iapx8088 | I believe that the stuff should be on a single website, the wiki and all; I believe there should be just one registration for everything. | 10:18 |
| shawarma | Q-FUNK: One of these days, I'll make up a silly story about it meaning something obscene in Danish. :-) | 10:18 |
| ajmitch | iapx8088: give it time | 10:18 |
| Q-FUNK | shawarma: some religious cartoonish reference comes to mind :-P | 10:18 |
| shawarma | ajmitch: I actually think crack has an easier time sneaking into Debian. | 10:18 |
| ajmitch | iapx8088: we're limited in what we can work with, and the time it takes to develop stuff | 10:18 |
| iapx8088 | ajmitch, yes I understand, of course there were suggestions :D | 10:19 |
| shawarma | ajmitch: Have you seen the axiom package? I still wake up screaming sometimes after merging that one. | 10:19 |
| LaserJock | :-) | 10:19 |
| ajmitch | shawarma: no, I don't touch most packages | 10:19 |
| === Q-FUNK points out that he's been on #debian-ubuntu for the last while and is a willing candidate to help bridge the gap | ||
| ajmitch | Q-FUNK: bridge the gap in what way, though? | 10:19 |
| === ajmitch has seen efforts to help bridge the gap come & go :) | ||
| Q-FUNK | ajmitch: I'm mostly interested in uploading as much as possible directly into debian, to thin down on the amount of ubuntu-specific diffs if possible | 10:20 |
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| iapx8088 | why don't starting categorizing people? I mean, I'm an electronic eng, I could test both the package and the program itself for all the elettr* packages. So could a graphic, and so could a med. | 10:20 |
| LaserJock | iapx8088: we have those | 10:20 |
| iapx8088 | I don't know if presently there are el programs in revu, the name doesn't always speak. If I'd know, I'd be reviewing them just now. | 10:21 |
| ajmitch | Q-FUNK: I'm fairly sure that all of my packages in Ubuntu are also in Debian | 10:21 |
| shawarma | ajmitch: Well, to be fair, only the network-manager-pptp has been touched since back in April. | 10:21 |
| Q-FUNK | ajmitch: as my lp page says, I'm doing NM and yet i've been handing out ubuntu CDs for the last couple of years. | 10:21 |
| ajmitch | shawarma: that was the main one I was asking about, since I was reviewing it with plug :) | 10:21 |
| Q-FUNK | ajmitch: there's still tons of packages that receive useful patches in buntu that don't make it in debian | 10:22 |
| ajmitch | of course | 10:22 |
| shawarma | ajmitch: "with plug"? | 10:22 |
| ajmitch | ah, you still have T&S to go :) | 10:22 |
| ajmitch | shawarma: Plug, aka Craig Box | 10:22 |
| Q-FUNK | I subscribe to madduck's idea of sympathetic DDs doing everything they can to help merge and upload | 10:23 |
| ajmitch | Q-FUNK: and I do that | 10:23 |
| LaserJock | I don't think there should be teams for that | 10:23 |
| ajmitch | I was uploading stuff to debian until late last night :) | 10:23 |
| shawarma | ajmitch: Hmmm... assume that I've just stumbled in from the street and don't know anything about anything... What is Craig Box? | 10:23 |
| shawarma | ajmitch: I'm totally lost here. | 10:23 |
| ajmitch | shawarma: someone who has his package on revu | 10:23 |
| LaserJock | this should be DD and MOTU wide thing | 10:23 |
| shawarma | ajmitch: Ah... | 10:23 |
| LaserJock | DDs should be open to looking at Ubuntu patches, and MOTUs should be open to sending them | 10:24 |
| LaserJock | training is a part of that | 10:24 |
| shawarma | ajmitch: I thought you were reviewing it with plug as in "I'm using this new magical wand called "plug" to review it". | 10:24 |
| ajmitch | no | 10:24 |
| shawarma | ajmitch: I see what you mean now. | 10:24 |
| shawarma | ajmitch: Will anything be messed up if you nuke my uploads of that package? | 10:25 |
| ajmitch | yes, it'll take out the whole package | 10:25 |
| shawarma | ajmitch: upload no. 3190 and 3192 | 10:26 |
| shawarma | ajmitch: Ah, ok. | 10:26 |
| ajmitch | iirc nukes don't just work on uploads now | 10:26 |
| shawarma | ajmitch: Ok. I'll send plug an e-mail asking him to reupload. I don't want to step on anyone's toes. | 10:27 |
| ajmitch | he'll probably be on irc later | 10:27 |
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| phanatic | good evening | 10:32 |
| lfittl | evening phanatic | 10:33 |
| phanatic | hi lfittl | 10:33 |
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| Plug | shawarma: got your e-mail | 10:40 |
| Plug | no prob wrt toes | 10:40 |
| Plug | I worked with ajmee to make the thing actually go for me :) | 10:40 |
| ajmitch | might be worth seeing what can be picked out of both packages | 10:42 |
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| Plug | I started with Soren's original package as a base | 10:46 |
| ajmitch | I see the recent change http://revu.tauware.de/diff.py?upid1=3190&upid2=3192 seems to get stuff out of being placed directly in /usr/lib | 10:47 |
| bddebian | Heya phanatic, lfittl | 10:49 |
| iapx8088 | I gotta go | 10:49 |
| iapx8088 | lfittl, let me know if there's any news | 10:49 |
| phanatic | heya bddebian | 10:49 |
| iapx8088 | bbbye | 10:49 |
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| Mez | siretart: ping | 10:54 |
| shawarma | Plug: so... Do you want to "keep it" or should we just leave my updated package there? I don't mind either way. | 10:54 |
| siretart | Mez: yes? | 10:55 |
| Mez | siretart: any chance of updating the sources.list on tiber so that it pulls the sources from edgy when you apt-get source ? | 10:56 |
| Plug | I'd like to keep it at this point | 10:59 |
| Plug | but I'll check the differences out with you | 11:00 |
| Plug | cos at this point I have no idea what you've done | 11:00 |
| siretart | Mez: you could use an apt-get option to use a custom sources.list. would that help you? | 11:01 |
| Mez | siretart: I was just wondering- as that how you used it before..,it's not aproblem to get it manuallyt | 11:01 |
| LaserJock | siretart: will *only* adding a deb-src line allow you to do that? | 11:01 |
| Mez | LaserJock, it did before ;) | 11:02 |
| shawarma | LaserJock: What else would you add? | 11:02 |
| LaserJock | deb | 11:02 |
| shawarma | LaserJock: No need. | 11:02 |
| LaserJock | but we don't want that on tiber ;-) | 11:02 |
| shawarma | LaserJock: Oh, no. Is it still running Breezy? | 11:02 |
| LaserJock | I'm just wondering if you put in a deb-src line for edgy | 11:02 |
| LaserJock | and you run apt-get source | 11:02 |
| LaserJock | will it grab edgy | 11:03 |
| shawarma | LaserJock: Yes. | 11:03 |
| LaserJock | isn't there a way to set it up so you can specify the repo? | 11:03 |
| shawarma | Plug: Ok. I've noticed a bug in my most recent upload, but if you're reworking it, it doesn't matter. | 11:03 |
| shawarma | LaserJock: apt-get source -t distro packagename ? | 11:04 |
| LaserJock | something like that | 11:04 |
| shawarma | LaserJock: No, exactly that. :-) | 11:04 |
| LaserJock | a waaaay long time ago I remember trying something like that on Fedora | 11:04 |
| LaserJock | seemed like you didn't need the -t though, like it was after the packagename | 11:05 |
| shawarma | LaserJock: It works here. My build server has both dapper and edgy configured and I can do it like that. | 11:05 |
| siretart | I'd like to get tiber updated to breezy first | 11:05 |
| LaserJock | I thought it was running breezy? | 11:05 |
| siretart | but I'd like to do this with sistpoty | 11:05 |
| Plug | shawarma: are you still working from the 'released' 0.6.2 source? | 11:06 |
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| LaserJock | is the machine actually located with you guys siretart? | 11:06 |
| siretart | LaserJock: no, it is hosted at serverpronto.com | 11:06 |
| Fujitsu | Oh no... | 11:06 |
| Fujitsu | I've got bad memories of upgrading Breezy->Dapper with them. | 11:07 |
| siretart | Fujitsu: so? | 11:07 |
| ajmitch | siretart: we can probably manage that in steps :) | 11:07 |
| shawarma | Plug: "released"? | 11:07 |
| shawarma | Plug: My starting point was a checkout of the vpn directories of the gnome cvs with the RELEASE_0_6_3 tag (or something like that). | 11:08 |
| Plug | Right | 11:08 |
| shawarma | Plug: ...since edgy uses 0.6.3. The dapper package uses 0.6.2. | 11:08 |
| Plug | there were lots of fixes committed to HEAD that I don't think are on a release branch yet | 11:09 |
| Plug | but we made sure the package worked with the dapper version as a priority | 11:09 |
| shawarma | Plug: Are the dbus interfaces compatible? | 11:09 |
| Plug | they haven't changed | 11:09 |
| Plug | the dict stuff is in NM HEAD | 11:09 |
| shawarma | Plug: Yes. | 11:09 |
| Plug | but we have also got some nice detection stuff that will use the right interface for the right version | 11:09 |
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| shawarma | Plug: At least the interface for passing ip configuration info from the vpn plugin to networkmanager has changed since 0.6.3 release. | 11:10 |
| Plug | yep | 11:10 |
| shawarma | Plug: incompatibly so. | 11:10 |
| Plug | put it this way, my package should work for 0.6.2 and 0.6.3 | 11:10 |
| Plug | and possibly for anything higher, but that wasn't a current concern | 11:10 |
| Plug | as edgy is (I assume) sticking with 0.6.3 | 11:11 |
| shawarma | Plug: Right. the same probably goes for mine. I don't think there were any changes in this area between 0.6.2 and 0.6.3. | 11:11 |
| shawarma | Plug: It will not work with anything after 0.6.3, I think. | 11:11 |
| Kyral | LaserJock: ping | 11:11 |
| Plug | your original package didn't work for me as I needed to specify 'refuse-eap' to connect to my (Windows 2003) VPN server | 11:11 |
| Plug | and there was no way of doing this, or specifying extra options, from the interface | 11:11 |
| Plug | That's one of the many things we fixed :) | 11:12 |
| shawarma | Plug: About a week after 0.6.3 was released rml committed a change to the dbus interface for passing ip configuration. Not the dict stuff, but just an extra parameter for the method call. | 11:12 |
| Plug | shawarma: accounted for | 11:12 |
| Plug | it was mss, iirc? | 11:12 |
| shawarma | Plug: Oh, cool! You made actual changes? :-) | 11:12 |
| Plug | Hell yes! :) | 11:12 |
| shawarma | Plug: Might be. | 11:12 |
| Plug | I spent a good number of hours with the author, working in CVS | 11:13 |
| Plug | we fixed all number of nasties | 11:13 |
| shawarma | Plug: Just for that plugin or general networkmanager crap? | 11:13 |
| Plug | Just for that plugin. | 11:13 |
| Plug | in saying that, some of the rest of the bugs are fixed in newer NMs | 11:13 |
| ajmitch | Plug: great, so the remaining fix before it gets uploaded is probably just moving files from /usr/lib | 11:13 |
| Plug | such as "if you click save, you can't then click edit on the same connection - you have to quit the dialog first" | 11:14 |
| shawarma | Plug: Well then. Please upload your shiny, new, nicer plugin to revu again. The changes to move the stuff out of /usr/bin is really simple. I can make a diff just for that stuff if you want it. | 11:14 |
| ajmitch | and then we can advocate it & bug someone else to review it | 11:14 |
| Plug | the usr/lib thing is a build parameter I believe | 11:14 |
| Plug | its marked on another package anyway | 11:15 |
| Plug | I just need to turn that PC on (which probably means after 5pm tonight, in ~8 hours) | 11:15 |
| shawarma | Plug: Ok. How did you manage to work around the added parameter in the dbus method call? | 11:15 |
| Plug | commented out the line in a patch in the package, I believe | 11:19 |
| Plug | would need the source in front of me to confirm | 11:19 |
| siretart | gnarf | 11:19 |
| shawarma | Plug: Oh. :-) I thought you cast an introspection spell and figured out if networkmanager wanted the extra parameter and passed it depending on that. | 11:21 |
| Plug | http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/network-manager-pptp-0609121645/network-manager-pptp_0.6.3+cvs20060819-0ubuntu8.diff.gz | 11:21 |
| Plug | 02_nm_ppp_starter.patch | 11:21 |
| Plug | nothing quite that smart I'm afraid! :) | 11:22 |
| shawarma | Plug: Yes, i see it. | 11:22 |
| shawarma | Plug: Not quite as magical as I thought it would be. | 11:23 |
| shawarma | Plug: :-) | 11:23 |
| zul | /win 13 | 11:23 |
| ajmitch | ftw! | 11:23 |
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| siretart | Nafallo: welcome to MOTUMedia :) | 11:33 |
| Nafallo | siretart: yay! thanks :-) | 11:33 |
| siretart | slomo: around? | 11:34 |
| slomo | siretart: yes | 11:34 |
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| siretart | slomo: I'm just talking to panthera, a52dec maintainer in debian. he tells me that he would like to update it to something newer, but sam didn't commit anything since may | 11:35 |
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| slomo | siretart: too bad... look at mplayer then, they have their diffs in the a52 directory | 11:36 |
| lophyte | anyone have a palm pilot? | 11:36 |
| siretart | slomo: I'd rather suggest to compile against the internal a52 for now | 11:36 |
| slomo | siretart: then we have to take the internal ffmpeg too | 11:37 |
| siretart | *shrug* | 11:37 |
| slomo | Nafallo: ^--- so change mplayer back to compile against internal ffmpeg please | 11:37 |
| siretart | I'd rather like to have a working mplayer. we have tons of other stuff to do as well | 11:37 |
| Nafallo | okidoki | 11:38 |
| siretart | the xine merge gets more interesting than I thought.. *sigh* | 11:39 |
| Nafallo | I comment it in case we change our mind about that. | 11:40 |
| slomo | so let's hope that gstreamer takes over the world ;) it's always fun to update/merge the packages because of almost no work :P | 11:40 |
| Nafallo | hmm, we _are_ using bzr, I might aswell remove it ;-) | 11:40 |
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| Q-FUNK | must we always sync from unstabl eor can it also be from incoming? | 11:50 |
| bddebian | You can ask for experimental/incoming I think but I don't know how common that is | 11:51 |
| ajmitch | Q-FUNK: by the time they get to the sync, it may be in the pool anyway | 11:52 |
| Q-FUNK | experimentla would make sense for another one of my packages, actually | 11:52 |
| bddebian | Later folks | 11:53 |
| Q-FUNK | for gaim-irchelper, ubuntu already thinghtened up the build-depends to gaim-dev 2.0beta3 a while back | 11:58 |
| Q-FUNK | i did the same for debian, but only for experimental | 11:58 |
| Q-FUNK | getting ubuntu to use my experimental package would eliminate the need for a manual sync | 11:58 |
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| tseng | tell seb128 | 12:01 |
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