[12:09] The post install also seems to do a series of chmods on score files that go in /var/games. [12:15] it looks to me like gnome-games doesn't do any chmoding on files in /usr/share/ [12:15] which is what dh_fixperms will change [12:15] This is true: it chmods /usr/games and /var/games files. [12:16] still, note the /methods/ it uses for permissions: both an explicit rule, and in postinstall. [12:16] yeah [12:17] I can't really think of a more elegant way to do that: debhelper isn't actually meant to handle every situation, just the common ones, right? So I don't get whta's wrong with simply supplementing its behavior with more explicit commands... do you think chmod in rules might fly? [12:17] well, I know it is used [12:17] ^_^ [12:17] I'm just a little concern about *where* I'm putting it [12:17] I've seen it in the install: rule [12:18] Is there more detailed documentation about debhelper besides the manpages and maint-guide? [12:18] well, I'll just put it after dh_fixperms and see if it works and then float that by Kamion [12:19] yeah, and I'd get more suggestions from him this time if he doesn't like it. Something besides dpkg-statoverride... or an explanation as to why that's better :p === jsmidt [n=jsmidt@128.187.170.219] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkigw7-fe10f900-10.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:26] could someone sync 'planner' from debian? [12:26] the build failure reported in ubuntu was fixed in debian ages ago. [12:26] I'll file a request to have it synced. [12:26] thanks :) [12:26] (after checking it does actually build) [12:26] Q-FUNK: is it a new upstream? [12:27] nope [12:27] Fujitsu: it's in main btw [12:27] we've had 0.14 for ages [12:27] Darn. [12:27] ah, but we have 0.13 [12:27] bulding broke after the new python policy and then was fixed [12:28] Fujitsu: just find a core-dev to convince mdz/kamion of the need for UVF exception :) [12:28] Are there any major bug fixes in 0.14? [12:28] no [12:28] yes [12:28] no UVF exception required at all [12:28] planner | 0.13-4ubuntu2 | http://apt-proxy edgy/main Packages [12:28] planner | 0.14-6 | http://apt-proxy edgy/main Sources === theCore [n=alex@modemcable106.200-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:28] ah [12:28] we already have 0.14 source :) [12:28] Aha. [12:28] good catch ajmitch [12:28] Just a UniverseFreeze one. [12:28] last time a build was attempted was in june === Fujitsu checks it out. [12:28] so much for manual syncs... [12:29] Fujitsu: it's still a Main package [12:29] It is, yes. [12:29] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+source/planner [12:29] Fujitsu: get a core dev to ACK the sync then [12:29] ajmitch, obviously. === ajmitch is testing the build now [12:30] well, once the source is fetched.. :) [12:30] dget [12:30] Q-FUNK: I prefer apt-get [12:30] since I have sid :) [12:30] ah :) [12:31] Building... [12:31] Hrm. My changelog parser is dodgy. [12:31] It only gave me the last entry of the new ones. [12:31] hmm, interesting build log === nictuku [n=yves@ubuntu/member/nictuku] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:34] Q-FUNK: ah yes, I recall seeing your blog entries on planet debian :) === AnAnt [n=anant@62.139.225.215] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:36] :) [12:38] hm [12:39] seems like an international link has gone down in NZ again :) [12:39] hm?! [12:39] And planner actually builds fine this time. That's nice. [12:39] just the usual state of internet connectivity in NZ === mayday_jay [n=mayday_j@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:39] someone tripped over a cable or something [12:39] Do I have to get any special UniverseFreeze exception or anything? Or just a core-dev to ack it? [12:39] Fujitsu: 0.14-10 ? [12:39] Q-FUNK, yes. [12:39] Fujitsu: it's in main, why are you talking about UniverseFreeze? [12:40] yup. it should. [12:40] Oops. [12:40] FeatureFreeze. [12:40] it's only a debian revision, too [12:40] ajmitch, noted, but I believe FeatureFreeze covers that... [12:40] nope [12:40] ajmitch: ah. do sheeps eat the dark fiber cables? ;) [12:40] Q-FUNK, hahaha. [12:41] Fujitsu: FF is for new packages [12:41] Q-FUNK: tends to be rats :) [12:41] at least that's the excuse we had last year :) [12:41] Ah, OK. [12:41] Fujitsu: I would ack it if I could build & check it :) [12:42] does subscription to ubuntu-devel mailing list require a moderator approval ? [12:42] AnAnt: no [12:42] ajmitch: wierd, why aint I getting a confirmation mail then ? [12:42] gaim-irchelper could probably be synced against the one in experimental, which has the same dependency thightening for gaim 2.0b3 [12:42] AnAnt: might take a while [12:43] k [12:43] thanks === clandestino [n=me@c-8173e455.019-305-6c6b701.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DarkMageZ [n=darkmage@ppp2-104.lns1.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rmjb_ [n=richard@cuscon10997.tstt.net.tt] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:49] hi [12:50] Hi. [12:50] do you all have pmplib in the repos? [12:50] http://pmplib.sourceforge.net/index.html [12:50] I checked but couldn't find it === philwyett [n=philip@80-195-142-67.cable.ubr02.wiga.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-66-110.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:51] and my attempts to compile it get errors since the dependencies are listed on the site or the INSTALL or README files [12:54] argg, does evo mail and evo calendering have 2 different .desktop files? [12:55] LaserJock: probably [12:57] rmjb, i'll give compiling it a shot for ya === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:58] arf. I really should get some sleep [12:58] cya guys! [12:58] thanks [12:59] so you guys, The Masters of the Universe, see programs/libraries like this pmplib, and package it up for Ubuntu, and maintain the packages as new versions are released? [12:59] is that how it works? [01:00] well, mostly we maintain differences between Ubuntu and Debian [01:00] that is our primary goal [01:00] so if a new package is introduced into Ubuntu Universe then yes we try to maintain that [01:01] so if there's a package in debian, an Ubuntu user can use that? [01:01] but better is to find somebody to maintain it in Debian [01:01] yes, our packages come from Debian [01:01] we only modify if we need to === Gervystar [n=alessand@2001:1418:1ce:0:20e:a6ff:fea4:4ab5] has joined #ubuntu-motu === printk [n=jvaughn@unaffiliated/printk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:05] so to become a motu you have to be familiar with the debian packages and process? [01:05] yes [01:06] oh, slightly higher bar to enter than I thought [01:06] it's not too bad [01:06] its not like bootcamp [01:07] it's just that Ubuntu uses the same packaging policy (basically) as Debian [01:07] It's not too bad, though I'm not a MOTU yet. [01:07] so you need to learn how to create packages that conform to the Debian Policy [01:07] ok [01:08] and you should at least have a general idea of how things work in Debian so when you need to interact with them you know what to do [01:08] but that's a part of the learning process [01:08] are there more sessions planned for the #motu-school? [01:08] eventually :) [01:09] rmjb, pmplib depends on libmozjs-dev which doesn't appear to exist in ubuntu [01:10] you get that error on configure or make? [01:10] on the dependency check from pbuilder [01:11] on configure I get a warning about a javascript library not installed, it seems it needs the spidermonkey library which shows up in my synaptic [01:11] but that's just a warning [01:11] DarkMageZ: part of xulrunner in sid [01:12] ajmitch, if i change that dependency to firefox-dev would that be ok? [01:12] i installed libsmjs-dev [01:12] DarkMageZ: it may work :) [01:12] hmm, ok, i'll change that depend to libsmjs-dev then [01:13] later on I had to install libvorbis-dev on a error during the compile [01:13] that did not indicate itself during the configure [01:13] libvorbis-dev is listed [01:13] where are you seeing this list of dependencies? [01:15] rmjb, in the control file in the debian folder. [01:16] hmm... my source package from sf.net doesn't have a debian folder... I guess that's why you guys are the Masters of the Univers [01:16] which doesn't exist in the 0.12 source package. i pulled pmplib from svn [01:16] oh [01:17] but i pulled the 0.12 branch. pmplib doesn't seem to be an active project, last change was 4 weeks ago [01:17] that's okay, it worked under windows [01:18] just need the same functionality under linux for my mp3 player [01:22] hey, looks like it worked! I did a make clean distclean and created a separate pmplib-build directory and did everything in there and it worked [01:23] now the best way to install this is with checkinstall right? [01:23] Fujitsu: ACKed bug 61174 for you [01:23] Malone bug 61174 in planner "Please sync planner 0.14-10 (main) from Debian Sid (main)" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/61174 [01:25] rmjb, checkinstall is better than make install, but there are alot better ways === jinty [n=jinty@195.Red-83-58-178.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:26] Thanks, ajmitch. [01:26] what's a better way? [01:27] rmjb, http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html [01:27] thanks [01:37] anyone know what i should expect to break if i backport firefox 2 from edgy to dapper? [01:37] "a lot". [01:38] Yes, a LOT. [01:38] like? i've been running it for a week [01:38] oooh...we have a masochist in our midst [01:38] yelp will break, anything else that uses gecko will break... [01:38] i'll go test yelp [01:39] one question, do you guys recommend using aptitude or actively recommend against it? [01:39] apt-cache rdepends firefox [01:39] rmjb: use whatever you want [01:39] cool [01:39] DarkMageZ: you will break about 180 things [01:39] DarkMageZ: +/- a few [01:40] ok, so add/remove still works, yelp still works [01:40] i'll test openoffice, that's listed =D [01:40] yelp still works!? [01:40] mmhmm, i'll upload the packages to my repo if u wanna see for yourself [01:40] I'm running edgy :P [01:41] ah [01:41] next i'm thinking of trying trunk, hopefully that will break yelp [01:42] Fujitsu: yelp doesn't work for you? [01:42] LaserJock, it should break in a Gecko change like that, shouldn't it? [01:43] like what? [01:43] and I have no idea [01:43] Like Firefox 2 being dropped into Dapper? [01:43] well, I guess it would depend on "dropped into" [01:43] heh...i think you are going to give iwj a conniption if someone did that [01:45] ok, i'm uploading the firefox 2.0b2 packages for dapper to my repo now. so any non-believers can try for themselfs [01:46] the more unofficial crackful package we have circulating, the bigger our headache. Please request official backports instead. [01:47] especially when we have to support them [01:47] eg the number of mono issues I've had with broken dbus backports [01:48] DarkMageZ: no offence but you would do well to heed the advice for people who have been doing this for years rather than writing us off as "non-believers" [01:51] Hey LaserJock. [01:51] Morning, tritium. [01:51] hi tritium! [01:51] Hi Fujitsu. [01:51] argg, has anybody done a binary litian override? [01:51] LaserJock: saw your wondering in my away log [01:51] mhm [01:52] I've been up to many things, including most recently running a couple 1/2 marathons, and being in the ER for kidney stones [01:52] yikes [01:52] Yeah, no fun... [01:52] hey tritium [01:53] hey ajmitch [01:53] Ow. [01:54] I'm on vicodin for the pain, so I'm managing [01:54] still not nice [01:54] How are you all? [01:54] busy busy busy :-) === LaserJock is trying to figure out how to do a binary lintian override === kr4z [n=kr4z@stjhnf0111w-142163097183.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:55] :) === Fujitsu is trying to figure out what the $#*$ is up with python-numpy. [01:56] oh nifty [01:56] It explodes! [01:59] #if (PY_VERSION_HEX >= 0x02050000) [01:59] What's that meant to check? [01:59] Is that >= 2.5? [01:59] if python >= 2.5 [01:59] OK. [02:00] it fails when building? [02:00] It's that section which explodes... [02:00] They use an undefined variable in there! [02:00] more fun for you to fix [02:00] Yup. [02:00] Now, said variable is `op', there's an `o' and `obj' around... === Fujitsu checks if it should be either of those two. === ajmitch will be back later [02:01] Looks like it should be o... === Fujitsu changes. [02:01] See ya! [02:02] Bye, Laser_away. [02:05] I'll bbl === coyctecm [i=coy@re.corded.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === reggaemanu [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-144-15.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === theCore [n=alex@modemcable106.200-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jcape [i=jcape@c-71-194-178-104.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:31] bzflag === minghua [n=minghua@danube.mems.rice.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:34] hello everyone === carthik [n=carthik@ubuntu/member/pdpc.carthik] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:39] Hi, minghua. [02:40] argh, whoever keeps assigning stuff to ubuntu-universe-sponsors needs to stop doing it if he's not going to fill in the outstanding information from the sync protocol [02:41] Who is it? [02:41] https://launchpad.net/people/kalon33 [02:43] He's a /member/ of ubuntu-universe-sponsors!? [02:43] apparently there are quite a few non-MOTU who are members of said team [02:44] That's a little odd. [02:44] For coverage's sake, I'm fine with that if they're also checking the actual sync requests. === Fujitsu grumbles about python-numpy... [02:44] A fix for Python 2.5 was committed... [02:44] But it seems to break it even more. [02:45] Terrific. [02:47] Edgy is still going to have python 2.4 as default, isn't it? [02:49] yes [02:49] the supported versions are 2.4 and 2.5 [02:50] I saw Fujitsu's message about python-2.5 breaking Debian's python-numpy [02:51] I suppose the problem is that edgy can't build python-numpy from Debian because edgy is building python-2.5 modules? [02:53] haven't looked yet, still trudging through these u-u-s source packages [02:53] Fujitsu: would it possible to just build 2.4 modules? === yusufm [n=yusufm@c-24-7-119-114.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fowlduck [n=nate@68-190-90-101.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:57] crimsun: the team ought to be moderated [02:58] I'll see if I can change it to be so [02:58] ok, changed to moderated, any MOTUs willing to join should poke myself or hobbsee :) [02:58] hmm [02:59] I only spot 3 non-MOTUs on there [02:59] I just joined [02:59] what the heck happened there? [03:00] isn't that supposed to be MOTUs who are willing to sponsor non-MOTUs? [03:00] that was my original thought, too [03:00] yes === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@221.221.160.156] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:00] there's also some duplication with motureviewers [03:01] which leads to confusion, etc [03:01] well, I think it came from ubuntu-sponsors [03:01] for Main [03:01] yes, pitti set them both up iirc [03:01] I would personally consider motureviewers==ubuntu-universe-sponsors [03:01] erf, latest ffmpeg/libavcodec/libavformat has broken mplayer [03:01] I wonder if we can merge teams :) [03:02] https://launchpad.net/people/motureviewers/+assignedbugs [03:02] 30 assigned, several are stale [03:02] yeah [03:02] it's been awhile since I went through the list === LaserJock longs for the 48hr day ;-) [03:02] not really [03:02] but I wish I had time for these things [03:03] & I had a couple to upload which I should get onto (libcm, gnucash) [03:03] reggaemanu: how? [03:03] crimsun, mplayer: symbol lookup error: mplayer: undefined symbol: a52_resample [03:03] it's now impossible to play any movie [03:03] reggaemanu: how new is that mplayer? [03:04] hum, the package in edgy is the last version (pre8) [03:04] reggaemanu: that's -from -2 and is completely intentional [03:04] but since the ffmpeg/libavcodec/libavformat update around one hour ago it's broken [03:04] earlier today slomo was taking with a mplayer dev about quite a few changes to the mplayer package [03:05] so I wonder if that's a part of it [03:05] me, slomo and siretart have been talking quite a while with two mplayer devs today. [03:05] mplayer simply needs liba52-0.7.4-dev added as a build-dependency [03:06] darn, I bet Kamion is asleep [03:06] crimsun: no [03:06] hum ok, so the package should be updated soon [03:06] or shood be at least [03:06] slomo: what's the issue, then? [03:07] crimsun: it's not that easy unfortunately ;) [03:07] another abi fling? [03:07] symbol conflicts because of mplayer's bundled liba52 and the one that libavcodec opens [03:07] ah, _excellent_ [03:07] and mplayer doesn't want our liba52 [03:07] we <3 ffmpeg [03:07] but i'll care for this :) [03:08] then, i will use totem -_-' unfortunally i've updated between two movies ^^ [03:09] slomo, thanks for the informations === Nafallo updates the log :-) [03:10] reggaemanu: could be worse... you could've uploaded it while watching one movie and restart it in the middle ;) === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Nafallo spanks bddebian [03:14] bddebian: hello :-) [03:14] Heya Nafallo and gang :-) [03:14] hello bddebian [03:14] bddebian: what's up? :-) [03:14] Hi ajmitch [03:15] Nafallo: Doing a little work from home and getting ready to review some packages hopefully. You? [03:15] bddebian's about to fix all the universe+multiverse bugs, hooray! === ajmitch cheers [03:15] crimsun: he's about to fix up everything on revu, too [03:15] I can't fix anything, you know that :-) [03:15] wow [03:15] bddebian: pondering if bed or LP bugs are more important ;-) [03:16] Nafallo: LP bugs, you know that ;-P [03:16] bddebian: ;-). was not _that_ much to do for MOTU-IM :-) === Nafallo checks if he might have missed some ;-) [03:20] oh. gajim built on x86_64 :-) [03:20] Nafallo: Well I can give you another list if you like :-) [03:20] bddebian: :-P [03:21] bddebian: I should probably read my e-mail and then go to bed. it's 3:21 here :-P [03:22] Eeks, gnight man [03:22] hehe [03:24] bddebian: cleared up REVU yet? [03:24] Oh yeah, I'm done === bddebian still wonders why everyone scoffs at him [03:24] sweet, uploaded the advocated packages? === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch doesn't think there are that many that will have 2 advocates right now === amachu [n=amachu@125.22.66.150] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:26] Hmm, maybe I'm doing anything tonight.. [03:28] go for it! [03:29] bddebian: you still haven't given your opinion of krb5-auth-dialog [03:29] ajmitch: I was worried my machine was dead, but it was just a dead battery.. Whew === Nafallo has a battery on the way here === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian is soooo behind on bugs :'-( [03:37] bddebian: you keep up better than I do === ajmitch has a mere fraction of the bug karma [03:38] ajmitch: Not with bugs man, I haven't done shit yet for Edgy wrt bugs :-( [03:38] the numbers lie [03:39] is that what you say? [03:39] Yes === ajmitch doesn't have time for this [03:39] Alot of my bug karma is from Sync requests [03:39] Are these worth not uploading? Seem innocuous to me.. [03:39] W: rrdweather; Long descriptions contains short description. [03:39] W: rrdweather; File /usr/lib/rrdweather/db_update.sh contained in /usr/lib of Architecture: all package. [03:40] bddebian: are those our changes? otherwise bug debian and sync :-) [03:41] Nafallo: No these are a REVU package [03:42] oh [03:42] dead air... :) [03:42] bddebian: since rrdweather only builds an arch:all package, the second warning is probably upstream issue [03:43] I take that back [03:43] in debian/rules: [03:43] cp -a db_builder.sh $(CURDIR)/debian/rrdweather/usr/lib/rrdweather [03:43] cp -a db_update.sh $(CURDIR)/debian/rrdweather/usr/lib/rrdweather [03:43] cp -a weather.cgi $(CURDIR)/debian/rrdweather/usr/lib/cgi-bin [03:44] I must admit I don't know what is the proper way to package cgi apps [03:44] ajmitch: opinions? [03:45] minghua: Me either :-( Thanks btw [03:46] bddebian: you are welcome, I am just trying to help as much as I can without an edgy system :-) [03:47] 13 [03:47] hm [03:48] ajmitch: ? [03:49] bddebian: where did you get this error from? [03:50] ajmitch: linda [03:54] ajmitch: Think I need to worry about it? === ajmitch shrugs [03:57] sorry, working at the moment as well :) [03:57] Hmm, I never trust linda on Dapper for some reason [03:58] blame StevenK? [04:01] crimsun: Any thoughts from you, your highness? :-) [04:03] la la la la laaa === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:05] Heya Hobbsee [04:06] hi bddebian [04:08] hello miss hobbs [04:09] hey ajmitch [04:10] re [04:10] wb Toadstool [04:11] huhu, rrdweather issues? [04:12] Toadstool: Aye, have an opinion? [04:12] hmm, I should have tested the 2nd upload with lintian too... [04:13] lemme have a look [04:18] hmm? how come does/win15 [04:19] ouch :) === Toadstool must buy a brain and new hands [04:22] bddebian: lintian is happy with the package, linda, well..., I don't care :p [04:23] Toadstool: Fair enough for me :-) [04:32] Fuck [04:32] ajmitch: I just accidently archived krb5-auth-dialog [04:32] bddebian: unarchive it? [04:34] bddebian: that's fine, it's obviously not worth having [04:35] Hobbsee: Can I do that? [04:35] bddebian: sure, go to the archived section, and hit "unarchive" [04:36] Oh, duh [04:41] crimsun: Where'd you go? [04:42] http://fullcoverage.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060914/hl_afp/afplifestylehealthalcohol <-- haha [04:42] (sorry but couldn't resist :p) === Deaigo [n=biglou@203-206-51-83.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:43] can i upload crap i used checkinstall for? [04:43] no [04:43] hah === SwordedHobbsee waves her sword at Deaigo for the questoin [04:44] thought so ;) === bddebian breaks out the katana [04:44] bddebian: now you be careful, else i'll make you WALK THE PLANK! [04:44] i was just instaling http://btg.berlios.de/ and thought it would be nice ot save others the pain in the ass process === theCore [n=alex@modemcable106.200-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:45] it's just a recipe for more pain === suppressingfire [n=burner@cpe-24-24-95-18.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === suppressingfire [n=burner@cpe-24-24-95-18.stny.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [04:51] is making a .deb package complex...? === Deaigo [n=biglou@203-206-51-83.dyn.iinet.net.au] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [05:00] very complex if people don't stick around for an answer... [05:00] heh [05:01] Aye, that is potentially a problem :-) === ajmitch blames SwordedHobbsee for scaring people off [05:01] bddebian: your verdict? === SwordedHobbsee blames aj [05:01] bddebian: === SwordedHobbsee blames ajmitch [05:02] minghua, I too think it might be a good idea to just build python2.4 modules, at least until upstream fixes it. [05:02] Hey, SwordedHobbsee. [05:02] hi Fujitsu! [05:03] Fujitsu: glad that we agree :-) === Fujitsu continues to read over the log from the past 2 hours. [05:03] Yes, what's with motureviewers? Isn't it completely obsolete now? [05:04] it's the same thing as ubuntu-universe-sponsors i suspect [05:04] not while some people are still assigning bugs there [05:04] SwordedHobbsee, it looks like it. [05:04] Said people need to be informed of the new process. [05:04] it existed long before hobbsee's little team :) [05:04] true === SwordedHobbsee obviously wasnt informed. or didnt know anyone actually did anything with it === Fujitsu doesn't like SwordedHobbsee, she's purple rather than her normal yellow. [05:05] besides, i didnt create it [05:05] oh? [05:05] heh, guess i am [05:05] i'm still authed [05:05] Ooh! [05:05] You changed your real name! === Fujitsu applauds. [05:06] a couple of days ago, yeah [05:06] someone get me some caffeine === Fujitsu throws some coffee over to NZ. === Hobbsee hands ajmitch a rocket launcher [05:07] Hobbsee: not helpful [05:07] awww... === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jlkenyon2012 [n=jkenyon@24.180.43.249] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:22] hey, this is where the universe maintainers hang out? [05:23] jlkenyon2012, yes. [05:23] yuep [05:23] er, yep [05:23] cool, I didn't get lost this time [05:24] so if I were interested in making packages for distribution via apt, I would need the blessing of someone here [05:25] apt does not create packages [05:25] bddebian, distribution via apt. [05:25] Oh hehe, I misread that [05:26] yeah, although I do need to learn how to make packages first [05:27] I am still torn between gentoo and ubuntu, and leaning towards gentoo just because portage has more of the obscure packages that I require at times... but with any open project, a failure remains only because the users allow it [05:27] jlkenyon2012: So get them in the Ubuntu repositories :-) [05:28] and that is not too difficult to do? [05:29] jlkenyon2012, I've done it twice, so it's not too difficult, no. [05:30] jlkenyon2012: don't you have some sysadmining to do? ;-) [05:30] hey Jordan [05:30] yeah... I but I usually stop sysadmining after about 7 [05:31] heh [05:31] usually that is about when drinking begins, and I have found that the two don't mix well [05:31] Bah, sysadmining gets better the more alcohol is infused :-) [05:32] bddebian: don't encourage him === _jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:32] bddebian: that explains a lot [05:32] I need him to keep my wiki alive :-) [05:32] LaserJock: :-) [05:32] ajmitch: What are you trying to say? ;-) [05:32] nothing.. nothing at all [05:32] bddebian: you know what he's saying [05:33] hehehe... I've written some pretty inspired code while under the influence, but when my finances are at stake, I tend to err on the side of caution === theCore [n=alex@modemcable106.200-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:35] jlkenyon2012: if you want to figure out how to package then check out the Ubuntu Packaging Guide [05:36] !packagingguide [05:36] The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources [05:36] so this topic asks "Have you Reviewed a package on REVU yet today?", what does mean? is REVU a means by which the community can verify the integrity of packages in the repositories? (speculating?) [05:36] cool [05:36] it's a reviewing system [05:36] !revu [05:36] REVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU [05:37] this bot is pretty good [05:37] so basically, you create a source package and upload it to REVU [05:37] then MOTU review it and give feedback, etc. === fowlduck [n=nate@68-190-90-101.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:37] if a MOTU is ok with it going into Universe they give it a vote [05:37] 2 votes and it's in [05:38] jlkenyon2012: oh, the bot's even better then that [05:38] !info ghemical edgy [05:38] ghemical: A GNOME molecular modelling environment. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.01-2 (edgy), package size 1790 kB, installed size 3028 kB === AnAnt [n=anant@62.139.225.225] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:38] ubugtu is better [05:38] mhm [05:38] bug 59166 [05:38] Malone bug 59166 in f-spot "Mono segfaults in dbus_pending_call_get_completed()" [Unknown,Rejected] http://launchpad.net/bugs/59166 [05:39] zounds! [05:39] now I am more interested in the bots than I am in the packaging process [05:39] oh dear [05:39] LaserJock: don't distract him with shiny things === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-74.ip.rixbredband.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:40] haha [05:40] well, now that I have a place to start reading, I am gonna book mark it and get back to working on tomorrow's lesson plan [05:40] jlkenyon2012: what are you teaching? [05:41] LaserJock: although this is somewhat unofficial, I am teaching an SP topic in programming languages over in SEM [05:41] LaserJock: Tomorrow is MySQL [05:42] YourSQL ? [05:42] heh [05:42] something like that... [05:42] OurSQL? [05:42] heh [05:43] HerSQL [05:43] ideally, it would be taught by one of the normal teachers, but the teacher I had for networks was stuck in the age of token ring and coax ethernet [05:44] much to my dismay I had to apply some of that knowledge to the systems in the basement in chemistry :-( [05:44] ah, modern technology [05:44] that's scary [05:44] ajmitch: you don't want to know [05:45] What, no arcnet? [05:45] jlkenyon2012: on one of the clusters? [05:45] bddebian: well, the morse code machine broke :/ === rmjb [n=richard@cuscon22802.tstt.net.tt] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:46] LaserJock: :) [05:46] LaserJock: one of the old Sun machines interfaced with its TOF laser unit via AUI which fed into an AUI to Coax adapter, and fed Coax into the machine [05:46] jlkenyon2012: fragile? [05:47] LaserJock: And that adapter was not set right, one of the little dipswitches was set wrong [05:47] oh jeeze [05:47] I have never felt so confused by a network setup... when I flipped the "50 Ohm" switch and everything suddenly "just worked" I called it a miracle [05:48] heh [05:48] ah well [05:49] now we just need to take over the CIL [05:50] that would be nice [05:50] what do you think of them putting Dr. Woo in charge of that? [05:50] jlkenyon2012: you think lew would mind if we replaced all the NMR computers with Ubuntu boxen? [05:50] jlkenyon2012: really? [05:51] argg, I gotta go [05:51] LaserJock: later [05:51] good night MOTU land [05:51] With bug #58852, I think an archive person just needs to send it back to the buildds... [05:51] Malone bug 58852 in kismet "Kismet in edgy still depends on ethereal-common " [Untriaged,Needs info] http://launchpad.net/bugs/58852 [05:51] Goodnight, LaserJock. [05:51] be nice to jlkenyon2012, he keeps my computers running === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === matid [n=matid@195.116.35.7] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === matid [n=matid@195.116.35.7] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jlkenyon2012 [n=jkenyon@24.180.43.249] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [06:48] Gnight folks [06:48] 'night. [06:51] bddebian always runs off to bed ;P [06:51] I'll sleep when I'm dead === Gervystar [n=alessand@host77-173-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:16] hey all - is it the end of REVU day, or would a MOTU be willing to fit in one more? === mwolson [n=mwolson@jpi-wlafyte-213-192.dmisinetworks.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:18] superm1: where's the package? [07:18] the mythtv package I put on revu [07:18] its a diff from one I put up about a week ago [07:18] that was accepted [07:18] I changed two small things with it === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:25] didnt imbrandon upload that? [07:26] he uploaded it to edgy [07:26] I uploaded it to revu [07:26] true [07:27] I'm looking to become a MOTU myself, actually going to be in a community council meeting tomorrow to start the process, and then I can say that I personally uploaded some things :) === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:27] superm1, the meeting is in 6.5 hours. [07:27] yea I know I need to get some rest..... [07:28] Ah. [07:28] my roomate keeps telling me that too [07:28] Good idea. [07:28] Go to bed! :P [07:28] just finishing my wiki page ;) [07:28] Yay :) [07:28] superm1: you have a consistent number & quality of contributions? [07:29] well I have recently started to contribute to REVU in the last week or two. prior to this, its been a lot off record stuff. I ran my own repo with packages for myth and such [07:29] well off record in the sense that I never pushed for them to be included [07:30] ajmitch: you can take a look at my wiki page as of now if you'd like to see what I have: [07:30] http://wiki.ubuntu.com/superm1 === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === superm1 [n=supermar@68-115-81-248.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hub_ [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === yusufm [n=yusufm@c-24-7-119-114.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kagou [n=Kagou@84.5.175.145] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:27] hi === printk [n=jvaughn@unaffiliated/printk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === philwyett [n=philip@80-195-142-67.cable.ubr02.wiga.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@91.163.61.180] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hub_ [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B12AB.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:13] good morning [09:14] Evening. [09:15] heya dholbach [09:15] ello Fujitsu [09:15] Hi imbrandon. [09:16] hey dholbach, Fujitsu, imbrandon [09:16] heya Hobbsee, hey imbrandon [09:16] Hi Hobbsee. [09:17] imbrandon: I didn't get telepathy-qt building - I'm not clever enough for the new kde world [09:17] imbrandon: I hope andrunko will come to #kubuntu-devel and figure it out with you guys === StevenK [n=stevenk@14.5.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:17] imbrandon: he's upstream for it and would love to see it in edgy [09:17] dholbach: sure ;) [09:18] dholbach: if you can point me to a website i can poke at it a bit too [09:18] imbrandon: the packaging is in bzr on launchpad, the source is aaaaat: ... [09:18] kk [09:20] https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/tapioca-voip/trunk/telepathy-qt (svn) [09:20] i'm sure he'll show up on irc sooner or later [09:20] and maybe he has another idea how to get it going :) [09:20] ok, sounds great ;) [09:21] bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~telepathy/telepathy-qt/ubuntu [09:21] it seems to be a matter of build-depends [09:21] err doh [09:21] but i'm not sure [09:21] D'oh? [09:21] dident alt+tab to the right window [09:21] ahh :) [09:23] hey imbrandon, dholbach [09:24] heya ajmitch [09:24] how'd your revu day go? :) [09:24] hey ajmitch [09:25] it was quite ok, although I wished I'd have managed to do more [09:25] how was yours? [09:25] maybe we can do another one at the end of the week? === matiu [n=matiu@222-154-238-83.adsl.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:25] matiu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU is the process for getting packages included [09:26] matiu: but for edgy we have to be quick... Sep 28th is UniverseFreeze [09:26] ooo [09:26] and to be frank, we have a constant lack of reviewers :) [09:26] I was just saying [09:26] maybe we can do another one (REVU day) at the end of the week? [09:26] :-) [09:26] dholbach: sounds good to me [09:26] super [09:27] friday? [09:27] friday ( anyday ) heh is good, maybe a revu weekend fri-sat too to catch the people that work durring the week [09:27] but i dont have that problem sooo. [09:28] a 48 hours one last pull before universe freeze [09:28] s/hours/hour [09:30] yeah === vud1 [n=vud1@unaffilitated/vud1] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:31] dholbach: or we just keep reviewing as long as we can :) === ajmitch will be away for the weekend === vud1 [n=vud1@unaffilitated/vud1] has left #ubuntu-motu ["chapo] [10:03] dholbach: ping [10:03] imbrandon: pong [10:03] ok got it building, there are a few more errors to work out [10:03] but the main thing is the build-deps [10:03] Build-Depends: cdbs, debhelper (>= 5), libqt4-core, cmake, qt4-dev-tools, libqt4-dev [10:03] oh nice [10:04] ^^ needs to be that [10:04] ok cool [10:04] you see that I have no clue :) [10:04] heh [10:04] hehe well i had a bit of help from Riddell too ;) [10:05] dholbach: you'd be the last person we could say that about === ajmitch has a broken kiwi :( [10:05] imbrandon, Riddell: thanks a lot [10:06] seems that changes in python-twisted have broken epyrun [10:06] dholbach: past that it looks to be an error in the svn code is all thats holding it up [10:06] which is unlikely since it hasn't had any changes for awhile === ajmitch keeps digging [10:06] dholbach: one sec i'll pastebin for you to see === Gervystar [n=alessand@host52-173-static.120-81-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:08] dholbach: looks like an error in the channel.h in svn , but the package attempts to build now ( with those build-deps ) http://pastebin.ca/175931 [10:09] hum [10:14] I'll tell andrunko to look at it [10:14] thanks for your efforts [10:20] dholbach: np, still messing with it too , it might be a qt-bus dep , i dunno without really knowing what all the code uses, i'm trying a few diffrentinthgs [10:20] qt-dbus* [10:24] dholbach: it looks like a qt-dus thing and ..... 03:23 < Riddell> imbrandon: so not much we can do until qt 4.2 comes out [10:24] unfortinutely [10:25] oh [10:25] ok [10:25] I'll tell him [10:25] nota problem with the telepathy [10:25] i wonder what he uses to build it [10:26] heh watch it be gentoo ;) [10:26] lol [10:26] no no, he uses ubuntu too [10:26] ahh [10:26] but he must have upstream cvs or something [10:26] possibly [10:27] would anyone adopt my package? [10:27] matiu: what package ? [10:27] there's a build script in the svn source [10:27] http://exelearning.org [10:27] we should have that kind of stuff in ubuntu though [10:27] as part of the "make upstream happy" spec [10:27] I build packages, but I'm not too hot with ubuntu, don't have much time y'know [10:27] dholbach: definately [10:28] matiu: good to see more kiwis involved anyway :) [10:28] it's not in ubuntu offiial yet... [10:28] thanks... [10:28] does it use the new python policy yet? [10:28] Is there someone who would maintain it and get into ubuntu official and ed-ubuntu.. ? [10:29] ajmitch: I don't know what the new python policy is... [10:29] matiu: your in the right room/place to ask ;) [10:29] Our ubuntu package is the most popular linux download [10:29] second only to windoze [10:29] quite a large source tarball :) [10:29] overtook rpm this year... [10:30] yeah, it's a bit mucky, including twisted, nevow and formless [10:30] I can take them out (except nevow) [10:30] ouch [10:30] it can't build with an external python-nevow? [10:30] trouble is we depend on an older version that's not available in dapper onwards [10:31] hm [10:31] We tried 3 times to upgrade it, but get wierd slowing down problems [10:31] the debian packaging isn't in the source tarball I see, which is fine (and probably preferred) [10:31] the webserver gets slower and slower after each request. Haven't been able to fix it [10:32] ajmitch: really, it's just a super hack, to make ubuntu users happy. But I'd really like to see get into edubuntu official [10:32] right [10:32] so it may need done from scratch? [10:32] but I'm the lead developer and have too much on my plate to work out how to make packages. [10:32] is it a python extension or a python module? [10:33] Some people voluteered to do it, then dissappeared. about 3 times now :( [10:33] It's really an app [10:33] doesn't actually install in /usr/lib/python2.4 [10:33] ah right [10:33] just all goes into /usr/share/exe [10:33] and some stuff in /usr/bin? [10:33] yeah, one file [10:33] called 'exe' [10:33] :) [10:34] naming is a little difficult :) [10:34] yeah. Try searching for it! [10:34] lol [10:34] we're moving to exelearning name. better [10:34] dependencies? [10:35] just twisted really [10:35] ok [10:35] standard distutils install? [10:35] and formless, perhaps. If twisted doesn't already depend on it [10:35] (also it includes a cusomised firefox) === matiu winces [10:35] That's another reason for bigness [10:36] Do you think there's any chance of getting it in official? or too evil? [10:36] ouch [10:36] the customised firefox would probably be the main killer [10:36] We could probably make it work with normal firefox [10:37] only there would be two menus... [10:37] not very professional looking [10:37] actually we could make a server only app [10:38] aw. I don't know. Maybe not [10:38] our ff has some chrome edits and accepts some undocumented command line options [10:38] that ubuntu firefox sometimes does and sometimes doesn't [10:38] depending on each release of it [10:39] the command line opts allow us to launch a special profile with special low security settings allowing our "localhost" web server to write files etc... [10:40] I'm sorry. I have to fly. I'll see if I can catch up again tommorrow ajmitch. Thanks for your help. [10:40] alright, see you later === matiu [n=matiu@222-154-238-83.adsl.xtra.co.nz] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === Gervystar [n=alessand@host52-173-static.120-81-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jinty [n=jinty@195.Red-83-58-178.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:08] <\sh> how long does it take nowadays for a sync to happen? [11:08] depends on how often you nag kamion/keybuk [11:08] but it seems to be a few days at least [11:08] I think it's keybuk's archive day today [11:11] shawarma: what are you doing uploading nm plugins? [11:11] NM plugins you say? [11:11] yes [11:11] vpnc, openvpn, & pptp === Tonio__ [n=tonio@137.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:15] <\sh> ajmitch: thx...so I wait until universe UVF [11:15] <\sh> ;) [11:15] \sh: or you bug them mercilessly [11:16] <\sh> well, after I file some more sync reports ,) === ajmitch has some more also :) [11:16] though I've got to update some of my debian package first [11:16] <\sh> I'm waiting for my hp blade enclosure to deploy ... 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[02:05] hey Fujitsu === AnAnt [n=anant@62.139.225.210] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:21] ping dholbach === _jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:30] dholbach: /home/brandon/devel/telepathy-qt/telepathy-qt-0.1.0/./include/QtTelepathy/channel.h:21:25: error: QtDBus/QtDBus: No such file or directory [02:30] imbrandon: dholbach: strange, can you pastebin dpkg -L libdbus-qt4-1-dev [02:30] /nick imdholbach [02:33] dholbach, imbrandon: wrong package name... should be liqt4-core-kdecopy-dev or something like that [02:33] dholbach: lemme finish eating ( breakfast time hehehe ) then i'll look [02:35] dholbach: ohhh thats what i was saying earlier , libdbus-qt4-1-dev isnt installable atm, Riddell said we would have to wait for the qt4.2 update [02:35] slomo: wha ? [02:36] imbrandon: ok, right [02:36] libdbus-qt4-1-dev is to be removed rsn [02:36] the dbus qt4 bindings moved to qt4 upstream and are in the qt4-x11-kdecopy package [02:36] hrm ok lemme try it with that [02:37] guess i should have known heh [02:37] slomo: you sure thats the right package? ...... [02:37] brandon@horatio:~/devel/pytunes$ sudo apt-cache search qt4-x11-kdecopy [02:37] brandon@horatio:~/devel/pytunes$ [02:38] imbrandon: that's the source package name [02:38] ahh [02:38] imbrandon: libqt4-dev-kdecopy / libqt4-core-kdecopy [02:38] right, ok , sorry eating and not thinking ;) [02:39] np [02:39] dholbach: did you get my email ? [02:39] AnAnt: yes [02:39] AnAnt: I diffed the two debian/ dirs [02:40] AnAnt: it seems you changed the debhelper build-depends version [02:40] dholbach: yup [02:40] AnAnt: I couldn't see why that was necessary [02:40] dholbach: because when I leave it as it is, the REVUers tell me that : compat should be set to 5, debhelper to >= (5.0.0), Standards-Version to 3.7.2 [02:41] then you should tell them: this is a package update - I want to keep the diff small [02:41] what diff ? [02:41] that's a valid and good argument [02:41] diff ubuntu debian [02:41] Hobbsee: man it takes forever to build ethereal [02:41] why would this make the diff big ? [02:41] not big [02:41] but it's an unnecessary change [02:41] tseng: *g* [02:42] tseng: what do you have to build it forthis time? [02:42] Hobbsee: i am trying to build it with gtk 1.2 to spot a "regression" [02:42] ah [02:42] Hobbsee: this is infuriating [02:42] Hobbsee: ...we run it over remote X11 to windows clients [02:42] AnAnt: nevermind - it was a sidenote - I uploaded it anyway... it's just a difference, if it's a package YOU maintain or if it's a package you have to merge every now and then [02:42] for network staff [02:43] Hobbsee: now that it was running good for awhile people will not believe that remote X is shit and this was a bad idea from the onset [02:43] Hobbsee: it must be fixed!!!!1 [02:43] dholbach: yeah, I know it was a sidenote, but I needed to understand [02:43] AnAnt: sure [02:43] dholbach: I didn't understand that "if it's a package YOU maintain or if it's a package you have to merge every now and then" part [02:43] AnAnt: you didn't or you still don't? [02:43] tseng: hehe, ouch, yes === philwyett [n=philip@80-195-142-67.cable.ubr02.wiga.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:45] dholbach: still don't [02:46] AnAnt: ok. setting the Standards-Version is nice - so if it's a package where you write the packaging and you maintain it, you should have it. [02:46] AnAnt: if it's a package that we sync from debian and it's the easiest way for us to have good quality software, it's nice if we can just sync it [02:46] AnAnt: if there are changes, we can't sync, we have to check the changes === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:47] dholbach: ok, I noticed that Debian hasn't done any apcalc packages since Jan, so did they stop ? [02:47] AnAnt: if changes are not necessary, one has to contemplate how much the change is [02:47] AnAnt: that's something you need to ask the maintainer of the package - I don't know [02:47] dholbach: ok, thanks [02:48] Ok, super. [02:48] dholbach: ok how about this question [02:48] dholbach: sometimes if I use the Debian diff as it is, the resulting binary debs got some lintian/linda issues [02:49] if you forward the diff to the debian maintainer, that's cool [02:49] dholbach: like in the case of apcalc, the .menu file is in the apcalc-common instead of the apcalc package, and the FSF address is old [02:49] to me "making linda happy" was only important for my packages [02:49] dholbach: ok, that's better idea indeed === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:54] Thanks, \sh. [02:55] dholbach: ok, thanks for the info === AnAnt [n=anant@62.139.225.210] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [02:55] dholbach: you got a minute? [02:56] lophyte: yes [02:56] dholbach: you mentioned in your email to take a look at broken edgy packages and fix them.. I was just wondering, how do I know that someone else isn't already working on a particular package? [02:56] lophyte: we have a lot of packages ;) [02:57] haha, I noticed [02:57] lophyte: if there's a specific bug you work on, you can simply add a comment "working on it" [02:57] where would I add that? [02:57] a comment on the bug? [02:57] yeah [02:58] http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs [02:58] ahhh, okay [02:58] right [02:58] lophyte: if it's a package of a "working list", you could just say "looking at " in the channel - that's good enough [02:58] alright [02:58] we can't fully circumvent clashes, but they don't happen that often [02:59] so should I check the launchpad for bugs first, or use apt-cache -i unmet as a guide for finding packages to work on? === Gervystar [n=alessand@host52-173-static.120-81-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:00] lophyte: there's a lot to do: if you find something that interests you, just go ahead [03:00] alright [03:00] we should definitely set up some working lists soon again [03:01] and maybe have a motu meeting to discuss objectives until release [03:01] like getting lists of packages that don't build anymore, etc [03:01] Yeah, that'd be good. [03:01] Unfortunately I'm very busy atm or I'd take matters in my own hands. [03:01] I'm still working on going through the packaging guide [03:02] the rest of us can tackle it === Fujitsu will do anything he can. [03:02] dholbach: I'll check with infinity to see if he can do a test build & give us the results [03:03] If somebody comes across an easy package to tackle for lophyte, please do so. [03:03] thanks :) [03:03] lophyte: you ROCK! :) [03:04] dholbach: what lists do we want this time? FTBFS, out of date, etc? [03:04] dholbach: good idea [03:04] ajmitch: unmetdeps too [03:04] ok [03:04] unmetdeps should be easy enough [03:04] and of course our bugs [03:04] yeah [03:04] it'd be great to get a big picture of stuff we should really fix [03:05] It'd be very nice, yes. [03:05] you managed to get a response on setting motu as bug contact for everything in universe? [03:05] no, I sent the mail - no reply yet [03:05] the problem is that some packages are more equal than others, so to speak [03:05] so maybe hooking it up to popcon again [03:05] :-) [03:05] yeah, I have the same feeling [03:06] goody, soyuz is missing the feature [03:07] yay [03:08] Fantastic. [03:08] I love having Launchpad being its useless self. === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@host-43.226.lasipalatsi.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:09] dholbach: for example, I found that kiwi doesn't build anymore - it's nice to catch these errors [03:09] hi Q-FUNK [03:09] ajmitch: yeah, that'd be very good [03:09] It would be nice... Anybody feel like doing it manually? :P [03:09] ajmitch: after UniverseFreeze we should really look at our bugs and give them prios [03:10] Fujitsu: sure [03:10] we have the technology [03:10] dholbach: will we have some people to approve universe freeze exceptions again? [03:11] I think mdz won't mind if there are some trusted people doing that [03:11] slomo, siretart and I will do it - same process as last time [03:11] ok [03:11] "we have technology" - reminds me of spongebob [03:11] I think it worked quite well [03:11] jsgotangco: the 6 million dollar man [03:11] as long as you're not all too busy [03:11] hahaha [03:12] inflation has drowned the cost of the 6 million dollar man [03:12] but prosthetic knees have gone down in price [03:12] meh [03:12] dholbach: maybe with only 2/3 votes necessary this time to get things done a bit faster [03:13] slomo: sounds good to me [03:13] siretart: ^ agree? [03:13] slomo: please [03:14] ajmitch: hm? [03:14] slomo: I think it's a good idea not requiring all 3 [03:14] ajmitch: ok :) [03:14] since it puts pressure on you all to be on top of them :) [03:15] ajmitch: hi. I saw your sync request added to the package. thanks! [03:15] no problem [03:16] dholbach: should i post to the mailing list that I'm looking for easy packages to fix? ;) [03:16] dholbach: I got my connectivity back, so I in theory I should be able to handle that. [03:16] siretart: do you have objections to a 2/3 vote being ok? [03:16] dholbach: let's try, but if I get too slow, it might make sense to replace me. for now, I'm willing to do so [03:17] hey siretart [03:17] dholbach: I think 2/3 vote is very ok, unless the third one strongly objects ;) [03:17] huhu ajmitch [03:17] siretart: I'm fully confident in you [03:17] siretart, slomo: ok, agreed. [03:17] lophyte: sounds like a good idea - we should make that a nice big thread with ideas for the next weeks until release [03:18] alright [03:18] lophyte: thanks for doing it === ajmitch will get onto writing up some lists [03:19] infinity is working out something with wanna-build & getting us build results [03:19] siretart: any idea when you will have time for liba52? :) [03:19] ajmitch: testrebuilds like in hoary? [03:19] :1:> apt-cache -i unmet |grep Package |wc -l [03:19] 226 [03:19] siretart: yes [03:19] slomo: ask me again tonight :) [03:20] we've got a few unmet deps according to a quick count there [03:20] siretart: ok :) [03:20] sent === pirast [n=martin@p508B2B06.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Nafallo [n=nafallo@ubuntu/member/nafallo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu === snowblink [n=snowblin@wind.snowblink.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:21] hey raphink === Arbiter [n=arbiter@unaffiliated/arbiter] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:22] hi phanatic === Arbiter is now known as arbiter [03:23] <\sh> why can't hp deliver blades with pxe boot enabled by default...*gnarf* === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:29] dholbach: do we want to use tags for uvf approval this time? [03:29] hum [03:29] why not 'motu-uvf'? [03:29] dholbach: I think we can track uvf request more easily after they got approved [03:29] hm [03:30] hmhm [03:30] :-) [03:30] slomo: what do you think? [03:30] dholbach: the current process is, that after it got approved, the task gets assigned to someone. [03:30] and after that reassignemt, we loose the track that it once was an uvf request [03:30] siretart: we can stay subscribed to it and track the status, no? [03:30] siretart, dholbach: i don't care... subscribing worked fine last time but tags would probably work fine too [03:30] siretart: that's why we don't assign but subscribe [03:30] true as well. hm [03:31] keep it consistent, subscribe [03:31] every other team works by subscribing [03:34] ok [03:35] so this is the authoritative worklist for the uvf team: https://launchpad.net/people/motu-uvf/+subscribedbugs [03:35] luckily only one request so far :) [03:36] great [03:36] does universe freeze start today already? i thought 28th september [03:37] it should be for people who have packages ready, not for random requests === Nafallo thought so to [03:37] slomo: you're right, but we want stuff in place before then === bddebian [n=bdefrees@mail.ottens.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:43] night all [03:43] Heya gang [03:43] Gnight ajmitch [03:43] sleep tight ajmitch [03:43] hey bddebian [03:43] HI Daniel [03:43] gnight ajmitch === Mirrado [n=Mirrado@20150111161.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mirrado [n=Mirrado@20150111161.user.veloxzone.com.br] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-048-233.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hub [n=hub@storm-gw.xandros.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === arbiter is now known as Arbiter [04:08] i have uploaded transkode 0.6b2 and always nothing on revu.tauware.de === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:09] there's a previous version 0.5b already on revu but not uploded by me === Goshawk [n=vincenzo@d83-176-7-241.cust.tele2.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:15] no revu admin around ? [04:16] fabo: is yours listed further down that page? [04:16] package yes but not my version on revu.tauware.de [04:17] http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2261 === lbm [n=lbm@82.192.173.92] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkigw8-feb4fb00-7.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Zdra [n=zdra@87.65.109.61] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:58] Doh, what time is meeting today? [04:58] Which meeting? [04:59] CC started 3 hours ago... [04:59] and is still going. [04:59] Oh fuck [04:59] oops [04:59] bddebian, still going for quite some time. [04:59] haha, yeah [04:59] they're still not oone :P [04:59] Why, bddebian? [04:59] *done [04:59] well, not today for me [04:59] I was going to speak for someone... [04:59] And there's a fair bit to cover. [04:59] -> sauna [05:00] bddebian, who? [05:00] Currently doing Lie Ex, people before that have been done. [05:01] Fujitsu: I don't remember.. My mind is mush lately :'-( [05:01] :( [05:09] I hate my freakin' life right now.. :-( [05:10] bddebian: aye! me as well. 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[08:08] xerxas: which channel? [08:08] this one? [08:08] this one , and also desktop [08:08] if there is === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkigw7-fe10f900-10.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:09] http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ [08:09] AnAnt: most people are fairly busy. I'll look in a bit. [08:09] howdy! if a DD is available to sponsor the upload to Debian, I have fixed a couple of bugs specific to Ubuntu on one of my packages. [08:10] crimsun: thanks [08:10] Q-FUNK: err...specific to Ubuntu but you want uploaded to Debian? [08:11] (you're probably better off asking in debian-mentors) [08:11] it changes nothing for the debian package and makes it finally work on ubuntu, just by changing the permissions on a file. [08:11] right, a sync [08:11] first a sponsored uploa,d then a sync. [08:11] LaserJock: thanks ! [08:11] I found what I need :) [08:12] * Changed backend permissions to 6700 for Ubuntu (LP #36093, #42147). [08:12] Q-FUNK: again, debian-mentors [08:16] no [08:17] wrong place to ask [08:17] too many ubuntu haters there [08:17] ? [08:17] debian ppl hate ubuntu ? [08:18] some do. thank goodness, not all of them. :) [08:18] sigh, it has nothing to do with Ubuntu. If you want a package uploaded into Debian, you'd ask in the channel(s) relevant to Debian. [08:18] how do I exclude somme documentation files with cdbs? [08:18] hey Q-FUNK [08:18] hub: is cdbs easy to use ? [08:18] hub :) [08:19] AnAnt: yeah === Q-FUNK loves CDBS [08:19] hub: easier that debhelper ? [08:19] AnAnt: it uses debhelper [08:19] ok === LaserJock still has reservations about CDBS [08:19] it looks cool though [08:20] and I didn't think debian-mentors had very many Ubuntu haters [08:20] meaning "it can use debhelper if you include the .mk" [08:20] I found sponsors pretty quickly [08:20] LaserJock: I don't create a new package without using CDBS [08:20] LaserJock: I'd rather not have to maintaine rules [08:20] hub: DEB_INSTALL_DOCS_package = -Xfoo [08:21] Riddell: ah ok [08:21] I'm guessing :) [08:21] hub: is there a quick tutorial for using CDBS ? [08:21] AnAnt: https://perso.duckcorp.org/duck/cdbs-doc/cdbs-doc.xhtml === stratus [n=stratus@cronopio.rits.org.br] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:22] LaserJock: I've had bad experiences there in the past. you own mileage may vary :) [08:24] hub: so I still must use dh_make to create the debian/ directory === reggaemanu [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-158-241.w86-214.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:26] AnAnt: I copy stuff over [08:26] oh === thom sighs at blind use of cdbs [08:30] thom: where? [08:31] Riddell: everywhere.anywhere [08:31] Riddell: will you be at aKademy? [08:31] of course [08:31] hub: sure [08:32] I need to learn how to run akademy for next year [08:32] it isn't a magical black box if everybody knows how to use it properly ;-) === Mirrado [n=Mirrado@20150111161.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:32] Riddell: in scottland? [08:32] yes [08:32] LaserJock: right, but i don't like magic at the best of times [08:32] Riddell: see you there anyway. I arrive Sunday [08:32] groovy [08:32] I have to remember how to get to the tcd [08:33] I did for Guadec 2003 :-) === Mirrado [n=Mirrado@20150111161.user.veloxzone.com.br] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [08:33] i remember very little of guadec 2k3 [08:33] thom: me neither, that's why i don't use it much yet [08:34] thom: well, it was a last minute attendance, sort of [08:34] thom: I was job-less [08:36] i think http://www.flickr.com/photos/rossburton/234077202/ sums up gu4dec very well for me [08:36] hub: i was just mostly drunk [08:36] thom: I was nively drunk too [08:37] mjg59 looks funny [08:37] I have heard that he is coming too [08:37] he was amazingly hung over [08:37] to akademy? yeah, think he and robot101 are === tortoise_ [n=tortoise@194.164.140.64] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:38] thom: will you be there? === hub is going there not for his employer [08:39] :-) [08:39] nope, i have a release to do for work this week so the weekend is gonna be busy [08:39] ah ok [08:39] who do you work for? [08:40] http://www.businessweek.com/print/bwdaily/dnflash/content/jul2006/db20060724_713810.htm [08:42] I think I know a friend who work for them [08:42] well he didnt' tell me who the company was nor the project [08:43] well it is. got confirmation [08:44] heh === Adri2000 [n=Adri2000@unaffiliated/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:44] small world [08:45] thom: you work for them? [08:47] yup [08:47] hello all [08:47] thom: mjg59 is going to akademy? [08:49] Riddell: yeah, afaik [08:49] Riddell: I have seen him on the wiki of departure [08:49] more crazy people [08:49] with free beer, it is dangerous === philwyett [n=philip@80-195-142-67.cable.ubr02.wiga.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pirast [n=martin@p508B2DB7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lfittl [n=lfittl@85-125-229-117.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu === iapx8088 [n=c9@host98-164-dynamic.3-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:08] hi [09:09] I would need some clarification about revision [09:09] I did upload my package, and now? [09:11] I must wait for someone to review it? [09:12] you can revise it any time [09:12] mmh i see [09:12] I cannot revise a package I made, it's better if someone else does [09:13] of course if I find an error, I could reload the update. [09:13] omg my english is awful in those two rows. === lophyte [n=dsulliva@Toronto-HSE-ppp3879916.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:17] right [09:17] revise is not the same as review [09:17] haaaa ok I see [09:17] you cant review your own package [09:17] okok [09:17] you can revise it :) update it with fix [09:17] :D [09:17] thanks [09:18] no at the moment I would need someone to review it [09:18] the legal part, especially [09:18] iapx8088: which package is it? [09:18] spice [09:19] I had some useful links to previous debian discussions in the comment [09:19] the ones that the form allowed me to put into === FliesLikeALap [n=Ryan@eggplant-05.dynamic2.rpi.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:22] of course I already did the dirty work for the person that will threat the legal questions. [09:22] myself, I'm an engineer and not very fond of licences and stuff === Nafallo [n=nafallo@ubuntu/member/nafallo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:24] where exactly did you find the license in the upstream tarball? (the source files don't seem to have complete license headers) [09:25] ok [09:25] wait [09:26] lfittl, the licence I saw was in debian/ and was here due the fact that it's a spin-off from the unofficial debian port [09:27] but I believe there's a copy in the upstream tarball [09:27] I'm searching [09:27] iapx8088: ok, this seems to be a very complicated situation, have you talked to the debian port maintainer already? [09:31] lfittl, no answer from it [09:31] :/ [09:32] sent two emails [09:33] k, maybe I will take a look at it later this week, as it would require some time to review it [09:33] ok === andrunko [n=andrunko@200.184.118.132] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B12AB.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:35] lfittl, I understand that spice is under the oldest BSD licence, so no GPLed code may be linked against it, so Debian refuses to package it. [09:36] but basically, the licence is very free [09:36] and if you asks berkeley, they don't answer, the ngspice team already pleaded them to change the license. [09:38] anyway, my package like the debian one, is sort of a wrapper, it works only if You provide the source [09:38] iapx8088: basically, apart from being non-commercial, it is free, but the source files don't have the correct license headers, which means the chance that this will get into ubuntu is very small [09:38] I understand [09:38] any comment on bug #58392 ? [09:38] Malone bug 58392 in upgrade-system "Could not calculate the upgrade..." [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/58392 [09:38] I feared that [09:38] I believe it will end like the Debian port, staying unofficial. [09:39] still better than having no package available at all, just promote it somewhere so that people can find it ;) [09:39] no problem for me, but it's a pity, SPICE is the mother of all simulators. [09:39] and quite a reference. [09:39] well, shame on berkeley and their attitude === Tutenstein [n=ask@85.96.243.197] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:40] yep, at least their attitude concerning licenses [09:41] : [09:41] :\ [09:41] hi, what is the first step to getting involved in development...I have got much free time nowadays... [09:42] lfittl, what i don't understand very well, is how ngspice (a spinoff) is in the repos... [09:42] I mean, you take someone else code, you tweak it, and then it's ok? [09:43] morning [09:43] there's something weird in the situation === Mez [i=Brummi3@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:44] it seems very weird to me, are there many people interested in having this packaged? [09:44] mmmh I believe so. [09:44] Imho yes, pratically all the el* engineers [09:45] they resort to wine+ltspice actually [09:45] can't they use the spinoff? [09:45] probably, but the good in spice is that it's a reference, while in the spinoff they tweaked a little the algorithms, so you can't no longer say SPICE says so. [09:46] ah, I see [09:46] if you say ngspice says so, you are to be answered, and who the hell is it the guy behind ngspice? [09:46] spice, old and crusty, bad and slow, is a safe reference, [09:46] morning ajmitch [09:47] morning ajmitch [09:47] but I would have to see better the work under ngspice, who knows? maybe they didn't tweak the algos [09:47] anyway I see the point. [09:47] If there's a way to put spice in ubuntu, I would be more than eager to mantain it. [09:48] if not, long live ngspice :D === Tutenstein [n=ask@85.96.243.197] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:48] sure, and maybe there is a way to get it in, but it will take some time, so don't expect it to be in edgy [09:49] we have time, we waited 100 years for SPICE [09:49] :D [09:49] :) [09:50] the ngspice situation is more than interesting for me, I'm developing internally a spice on steroids and it would be great to put it on ubuntu [09:51] I mean, I'm leaving alone the algos, and trying to settle the little big problems around. [09:51] it would be a great thing, but what's the point of making it if I cannot relase it and the distros cannot package it...all lost work [09:52] maybe I should drop a note to them [09:53] siretart: ping [09:53] Mez: pong [09:54] siretart: one sec - iot's regarding tiber [09:56] siretart: can you install automake1.9 on tiber please? [09:58] Mez!!!!!! :-) [09:58] Hey siretart [09:59] hey bddebian [10:00] siretart: ignore last message [10:00] I forgot to set the path to autoconf on the commnand line [10:01] Mez: done [10:01] huhu bddebian [10:01] hi siretart [10:01] hello siretart [10:01] hi bddebian [10:01] hola ajmitch [10:02] LaserJock! [10:02] n'evening LaserJock and ajmitch [10:02] Heya LaserJock and ajmitch [10:02] one big round of introductions... === Q-FUNK is slowly coming up to speed on launchpad usage === Q-FUNK wonders what to do with bug #58392 [10:03] Malone bug 58392 in upgrade-system "Could not calculate the upgrade..." [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/58392 [10:03] Q-FUNK: I had a friend who told me that launchpad was quite confusing at first. I think you get used to it after some time.. [10:03] Q-FUNK: it also doesn't have nearly enough info [10:03] siretart: the modal menus are what's confusing. they are considered a big no-no of UI design, usually. [10:03] fabbione compared it to doom :-) [10:04] IIRC [10:04] heh [10:04] Nafallo: a monster on every page? [10:04] :D [10:04] has anyone heard about a command 'lessdif'? (note the one 'f') [10:04] ajmitch: hehe, something like that ;-) [10:05] hmm, well I count ~10 less packages on REVU after REVU day :/ [10:06] LaserJock: plus a number of comments & updates [10:06] well sure [10:06] LaserJock: we just have to keep reviewing until freeze day [10:07] I'm wondering more about efficency though [10:07] in what way? [10:07] are we putting a lot of work into stuff that isn't making it into Universe? [10:07] yes [10:07] feel free to suggest how we can see what won't make it into universe :) [10:08] well, we'd need to analyze the problem first [10:08] is it that we just have low quality packages [10:08] low barrier of entry [10:08] or is it that we are hitting a lot of copyright/license problems [10:09] people upload packages, expect instant feedback, and don't update [10:09] or is it that people aren't getting feedback fast enough and give up [10:09] far more quality issues than licensing, from what I've seen [10:09] k [10:09] ajmitch: that would be them missing the part about droping by here or to -devle to ask for feedback [10:09] Q-FUNK: which they don't always get [10:09] ajmitch: why not? [10:10] because people aren't always around & available [10:10] ah [10:10] so impatience [10:10] sure :) [10:10] we can't do much about that [10:11] I'm new, but I expect to start reviewing, not just sit here and wait for someone to slash my ill-driven package. [10:11] ;-( [10:11] is there any way we could incorporate some sort of mentoring in a more systematic way, so that true bleu beginers get a helping hand for their first few packages? [10:12] we've tried, there's a list of willing mentors [10:12] at debian, the systematic feedback I get from sponsors and from my AM have helped me increase the quality of my packages really quick. [10:12] in debian, there are a lot more people to sponsor & give feedback [10:13] call me silly, but I think that forcing people to first go thru sponsored uploads with sponsor's feedback turns out to have benefits, on that aspect [10:13] that's what we do [10:13] where it goes silly is that right next to it, the step towards DD via NM is huge === ajmitch has the experience of debian as well :) === philwyett [n=philip@80-195-142-67.cable.ubr02.wiga.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:14] I'm wondering if there's any way to find a better balance betwen the sometimes lax quality of packages due to poor feedback and the 3-year queue in NM? [10:15] mentors.debian.net currently has about the same number of packages as REVU [10:15] Q-FUNK: I thought that was called MOTU ;-) === lophyte [n=dsulliva@MTL-HSE-ppp194093.qc.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:15] ;) === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-120-239-162.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:16] ajmitch: (about the nm plugins) I had them in my own repository and I noticed that they were referenced all over the place, so I figured I might as well upload them, so people can just get them directly from the universe goodness instead of adding my repository. They really shouldn't trust people like me. :-) [10:16] shawarma: uploading stuff over what other people have packaged isn't polite :) [10:16] can I say something, the word of a brand new-blue? [10:16] ajmitch: Oh, shit, they were already there? [10:16] yes [10:16] between the (percieved but not always true) low quality that sometimes slip into universe and the black beret hazing of debian, there's gotta be a middle ground [10:17] creating better MOTUs :-) === Q-FUNK notices an appetizing nickname on the channel [10:17] ajmitch: I didn't even notice. I was reading the NetworkManager FAQ and saw them referenced, so someone clearly wants/needs them. [10:17] we try & keep the quality bar high enough for universe [10:17] shawarma: gotta admit that your nickname rings of delicious grilled meat ;) [10:18] sure, some people may be stricter on quality than others, but I'd hope that we're not letting through obvious crack :) [10:18] I believe that the stuff should be on a single website, the wiki and all; I believe there should be just one registration for everything. [10:18] Q-FUNK: One of these days, I'll make up a silly story about it meaning something obscene in Danish. :-) [10:18] iapx8088: give it time [10:18] shawarma: some religious cartoonish reference comes to mind :-P [10:18] ajmitch: I actually think crack has an easier time sneaking into Debian. [10:18] iapx8088: we're limited in what we can work with, and the time it takes to develop stuff [10:19] ajmitch, yes I understand, of course there were suggestions :D [10:19] ajmitch: Have you seen the axiom package? I still wake up screaming sometimes after merging that one. [10:19] :-) [10:19] shawarma: no, I don't touch most packages === Q-FUNK points out that he's been on #debian-ubuntu for the last while and is a willing candidate to help bridge the gap [10:19] Q-FUNK: bridge the gap in what way, though? === ajmitch has seen efforts to help bridge the gap come & go :) [10:20] ajmitch: I'm mostly interested in uploading as much as possible directly into debian, to thin down on the amount of ubuntu-specific diffs if possible === LaserJock isn't fond oof thouse [10:20] why don't starting categorizing people? I mean, I'm an electronic eng, I could test both the package and the program itself for all the elettr* packages. So could a graphic, and so could a med. [10:20] iapx8088: we have those [10:21] I don't know if presently there are el programs in revu, the name doesn't always speak. If I'd know, I'd be reviewing them just now. [10:21] Q-FUNK: I'm fairly sure that all of my packages in Ubuntu are also in Debian [10:21] ajmitch: Well, to be fair, only the network-manager-pptp has been touched since back in April. [10:21] ajmitch: as my lp page says, I'm doing NM and yet i've been handing out ubuntu CDs for the last couple of years. [10:21] shawarma: that was the main one I was asking about, since I was reviewing it with plug :) [10:22] ajmitch: there's still tons of packages that receive useful patches in buntu that don't make it in debian [10:22] of course [10:22] ajmitch: "with plug"? [10:22] ah, you still have T&S to go :) [10:22] shawarma: Plug, aka Craig Box [10:23] I subscribe to madduck's idea of sympathetic DDs doing everything they can to help merge and upload [10:23] Q-FUNK: and I do that [10:23] I don't think there should be teams for that [10:23] I was uploading stuff to debian until late last night :) [10:23] ajmitch: Hmmm... assume that I've just stumbled in from the street and don't know anything about anything... What is Craig Box? [10:23] ajmitch: I'm totally lost here. [10:23] shawarma: someone who has his package on revu [10:23] this should be DD and MOTU wide thing [10:23] ajmitch: Ah... [10:24] DDs should be open to looking at Ubuntu patches, and MOTUs should be open to sending them [10:24] training is a part of that [10:24] ajmitch: I thought you were reviewing it with plug as in "I'm using this new magical wand called "plug" to review it". [10:24] no [10:24] ajmitch: I see what you mean now. [10:25] ajmitch: Will anything be messed up if you nuke my uploads of that package? [10:25] yes, it'll take out the whole package [10:26] ajmitch: upload no. 3190 and 3192 [10:26] ajmitch: Ah, ok. [10:26] iirc nukes don't just work on uploads now [10:27] ajmitch: Ok. I'll send plug an e-mail asking him to reupload. I don't want to step on anyone's toes. [10:27] he'll probably be on irc later === ajmitch has to head out to work, bbl === micahcowan [n=micahcow@69.36.252.2] has joined #ubuntu-motu === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:32] good evening [10:33] evening phanatic [10:33] hi lfittl === Bazzi [n=Bastian@p50803A5C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fredix [n=fredix@86.67.45.107] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:40] shawarma: got your e-mail [10:40] no prob wrt toes [10:40] I worked with ajmee to make the thing actually go for me :) [10:42] might be worth seeing what can be picked out of both packages === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:46] I started with Soren's original package as a base [10:47] I see the recent change http://revu.tauware.de/diff.py?upid1=3190&upid2=3192 seems to get stuff out of being placed directly in /usr/lib [10:49] Heya phanatic, lfittl [10:49] I gotta go [10:49] lfittl, let me know if there's any news [10:49] heya bddebian [10:49] bbbye === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === redguy [n=mati@adv42.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:54] siretart: ping [10:54] Plug: so... Do you want to "keep it" or should we just leave my updated package there? I don't mind either way. [10:55] Mez: yes? [10:56] siretart: any chance of updating the sources.list on tiber so that it pulls the sources from edgy when you apt-get source ? [10:59] I'd like to keep it at this point [11:00] but I'll check the differences out with you [11:00] cos at this point I have no idea what you've done [11:01] Mez: you could use an apt-get option to use a custom sources.list. would that help you? [11:01] siretart: I was just wondering- as that how you used it before..,it's not aproblem to get it manuallyt [11:01] siretart: will *only* adding a deb-src line allow you to do that? [11:02] LaserJock, it did before ;) [11:02] LaserJock: What else would you add? [11:02] deb [11:02] LaserJock: No need. [11:02] but we don't want that on tiber ;-) [11:02] LaserJock: Oh, no. Is it still running Breezy? [11:02] I'm just wondering if you put in a deb-src line for edgy [11:02] and you run apt-get source [11:03] will it grab edgy [11:03] LaserJock: Yes. [11:03] isn't there a way to set it up so you can specify the repo? [11:03] Plug: Ok. I've noticed a bug in my most recent upload, but if you're reworking it, it doesn't matter. [11:04] LaserJock: apt-get source -t distro packagename ? [11:04] something like that [11:04] LaserJock: No, exactly that. :-) [11:04] a waaaay long time ago I remember trying something like that on Fedora [11:05] seemed like you didn't need the -t though, like it was after the packagename [11:05] LaserJock: It works here. My build server has both dapper and edgy configured and I can do it like that. [11:05] I'd like to get tiber updated to breezy first [11:05] I thought it was running breezy? [11:05] but I'd like to do this with sistpoty [11:06] shawarma: are you still working from the 'released' 0.6.2 source? === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:06] is the machine actually located with you guys siretart? [11:06] LaserJock: no, it is hosted at serverpronto.com [11:06] Oh no... [11:07] I've got bad memories of upgrading Breezy->Dapper with them. [11:07] Fujitsu: so? [11:07] siretart: we can probably manage that in steps :) [11:07] Plug: "released"? [11:08] Plug: My starting point was a checkout of the vpn directories of the gnome cvs with the RELEASE_0_6_3 tag (or something like that). [11:08] Right [11:08] Plug: ...since edgy uses 0.6.3. The dapper package uses 0.6.2. [11:09] there were lots of fixes committed to HEAD that I don't think are on a release branch yet [11:09] but we made sure the package worked with the dapper version as a priority [11:09] Plug: Are the dbus interfaces compatible? [11:09] they haven't changed [11:09] the dict stuff is in NM HEAD [11:09] Plug: Yes. [11:09] but we have also got some nice detection stuff that will use the right interface for the right version === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:10] Plug: At least the interface for passing ip configuration info from the vpn plugin to networkmanager has changed since 0.6.3 release. [11:10] yep [11:10] Plug: incompatibly so. [11:10] put it this way, my package should work for 0.6.2 and 0.6.3 [11:10] and possibly for anything higher, but that wasn't a current concern [11:11] as edgy is (I assume) sticking with 0.6.3 [11:11] Plug: Right. the same probably goes for mine. I don't think there were any changes in this area between 0.6.2 and 0.6.3. [11:11] Plug: It will not work with anything after 0.6.3, I think. [11:11] LaserJock: ping [11:11] your original package didn't work for me as I needed to specify 'refuse-eap' to connect to my (Windows 2003) VPN server [11:11] and there was no way of doing this, or specifying extra options, from the interface [11:12] That's one of the many things we fixed :) [11:12] Plug: About a week after 0.6.3 was released rml committed a change to the dbus interface for passing ip configuration. Not the dict stuff, but just an extra parameter for the method call. [11:12] shawarma: accounted for [11:12] it was mss, iirc? [11:12] Plug: Oh, cool! You made actual changes? :-) [11:12] Hell yes! :) [11:12] Plug: Might be. [11:13] I spent a good number of hours with the author, working in CVS [11:13] we fixed all number of nasties [11:13] Plug: Just for that plugin or general networkmanager crap? [11:13] Just for that plugin. [11:13] in saying that, some of the rest of the bugs are fixed in newer NMs [11:13] Plug: great, so the remaining fix before it gets uploaded is probably just moving files from /usr/lib [11:14] such as "if you click save, you can't then click edit on the same connection - you have to quit the dialog first" [11:14] Plug: Well then. Please upload your shiny, new, nicer plugin to revu again. The changes to move the stuff out of /usr/bin is really simple. I can make a diff just for that stuff if you want it. [11:14] and then we can advocate it & bug someone else to review it [11:14] the usr/lib thing is a build parameter I believe [11:15] its marked on another package anyway [11:15] I just need to turn that PC on (which probably means after 5pm tonight, in ~8 hours) [11:15] Plug: Ok. How did you manage to work around the added parameter in the dbus method call? [11:19] commented out the line in a patch in the package, I believe [11:19] would need the source in front of me to confirm [11:19] gnarf [11:21] Plug: Oh. :-) I thought you cast an introspection spell and figured out if networkmanager wanted the extra parameter and passed it depending on that. [11:21] http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/network-manager-pptp-0609121645/network-manager-pptp_0.6.3+cvs20060819-0ubuntu8.diff.gz [11:21] 02_nm_ppp_starter.patch [11:22] nothing quite that smart I'm afraid! :) [11:22] Plug: Yes, i see it. [11:23] Plug: Not quite as magical as I thought it would be. [11:23] Plug: :-) [11:23] /win 13 [11:23] ftw! === lfittl [n=lfittl@85-125-229-117.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:33] Nafallo: welcome to MOTUMedia :) [11:33] siretart: yay! thanks :-) [11:34] slomo: around? [11:34] siretart: yes === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:35] slomo: I'm just talking to panthera, a52dec maintainer in debian. he tells me that he would like to update it to something newer, but sam didn't commit anything since may === lophyte [n=dsulliva@MTL-HSE-ppp194093.qc.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:36] siretart: too bad... look at mplayer then, they have their diffs in the a52 directory [11:36] anyone have a palm pilot? [11:36] slomo: I'd rather suggest to compile against the internal a52 for now [11:37] siretart: then we have to take the internal ffmpeg too [11:37] *shrug* [11:37] Nafallo: ^--- so change mplayer back to compile against internal ffmpeg please [11:37] I'd rather like to have a working mplayer. we have tons of other stuff to do as well [11:38] okidoki [11:39] the xine merge gets more interesting than I thought.. *sigh* [11:40] I comment it in case we change our mind about that. [11:40] so let's hope that gstreamer takes over the world ;) it's always fun to update/merge the packages because of almost no work :P [11:40] hmm, we _are_ using bzr, I might aswell remove it ;-) === hub_ [n=hub@moodiegate.xandros.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === joejaxx [i=jadaz87@outbound.silenceisdefeat.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:50] must we always sync from unstabl eor can it also be from incoming? [11:51] You can ask for experimental/incoming I think but I don't know how common that is [11:52] Q-FUNK: by the time they get to the sync, it may be in the pool anyway [11:52] experimentla would make sense for another one of my packages, actually [11:53] Later folks [11:58] for gaim-irchelper, ubuntu already thinghtened up the build-depends to gaim-dev 2.0beta3 a while back [11:58] i did the same for debian, but only for experimental [11:58] getting ubuntu to use my experimental package would eliminate the need for a manual sync === joejaxx [i=jadaz87@outbound.silenceisdefeat.org] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [12:01] tell seb128