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| Riddell | andrunko: hi | 12:28 |
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| bddebian | Howdy | 03:11 |
| Jucato | hi bddebian! | 03:12 |
| bddebian | Hello Jucato | 03:12 |
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| jdong | can anyone give me a logical explanation why data=journal is faster than data=writeback OR data=ordered? | 03:15 |
| jdong | (ext3 of course) | 03:15 |
| === nixternal needs artwork to replace the default KDE artwork in the headers of the Kubuntu documentation | ||
| Jucato | ooh... nice :P | 03:16 |
| Jucato | nixternal: was the hwdb for Kubuntu included already in Knot 3? | 03:16 |
| jdong | Jucato: yes | 03:17 |
| Jucato | where is it? | 03:17 |
| jdong | Jucato: in the K menu :D | 03:17 |
| jdong | (how can you tell I'm not running KDE at the moment?) | 03:17 |
| Jucato | ah Kubuntu Device Database | 03:18 |
| crimsun | jdong: data=journal only commits metadata to the journal. data=ordered commits to the fs before committing metadata to the journal. data=writeback _can_ commit to fs after committing metadata to the journal, but that's not necessarily the case with CFQ and your usage patterns. | 03:19 |
| jdong | crimsun: I thought data=journal does full data journaling in addition to metadata? | 03:20 |
| crimsun | yes | 03:20 |
| jdong | which means it should be the heaviest journaling mode of the 3 | 03:20 |
| crimsun | no | 03:20 |
| jdong | no? | 03:20 |
| crimsun | no. It is potentially the slowest but not necessarily. | 03:20 |
| crimsun | Remember that these algorithms were designed before CFQ was updated. | 03:21 |
| jdong | I see | 03:21 |
| jdong | I am noticing that data=journal is dramatically faster than default data=ordered | 03:21 |
| jdong | especially with simultaneous disk access | 03:21 |
| jdong | i.e. launching OOo while compressing two kernel tarballs | 03:22 |
| crimsun | yes, there are noticeable differences depending on elevator algorithm and usage patterns | 03:22 |
| crimsun | you've just experienced firsthand why benchmarks are misleading. | 03:22 |
| jdong | how fascinating... | 03:22 |
| jdong | I've always been told that data=journal is the safest but slowest mode.... guess not | 03:23 |
| jdong | crimsun: so ordered is not necessarily ordered anymore, with the new elevators? | 03:23 |
| Jucato | aha! k3b finally made it to backports! | 03:24 |
| crimsun | no, it is still ordered, but the interaction may be different. | 03:24 |
| jdong | Jucato: yes, soyuz is fixed :) | 03:24 |
| Jucato | it's a miracle!!! :) | 03:24 |
| jdong | which means I'll be doing a bit of backports processing tomorrow morning :) | 03:24 |
| jdong | bright and early | 03:24 |
| Jucato | Kopete and Konversation still aren't there though | 03:24 |
| jdong | Jucato: those have to be re-done | 03:25 |
| jdong | I think | 03:25 |
| Jucato | ah | 03:25 |
| jdong | or ubuntu-archive needs to do some NEW queue cleaning on dapper-backports :) | 03:25 |
| Jucato | ok.. sorry to have interrupted your conversation with crimsun :) | 03:25 |
| jdong | Jucato: it's fine | 03:25 |
| jdong | we were basically finished | 03:25 |
| jdong | besides, what's IRC without the ADD? | 03:25 |
| Jucato | heh | 03:26 |
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| jdong | crimsun: you still around? | 03:40 |
| crimsun | somewhat | 03:40 |
| === Jucato sees crimsun slowly fading... | ||
| jdong | crimsun: can the Acer laptop alsa fix be backported to dapper, too? | 03:41 |
| crimsun | which Acer fix? | 03:41 |
| crimsun | keep in mind all patches I send are targetted to Dapper. Ben tweaks them for Edgy. | 03:41 |
| jdong | for the Acer Aspire 567x series, intel-hda, no sound with realtek 883 codec | 03:41 |
| crimsun | chances are if you don't already see them in dapper-{security,updates}, it's because they're in dapper-proposed. | 03:42 |
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| jdong | crimsun: it's in ubuntu-dapper-updates.git, not ubuntu-dapper.git though... what's the difference between the two branches? | 03:44 |
| crimsun | proposed updates for testing vs. what hits security/updates | 03:47 |
| crimsun | after a period, stuff from the former trickles into the latter | 03:47 |
| crimsun | think Debian unstable->testing, for instance | 03:47 |
| crimsun | (the testing & verification stages) | 03:47 |
| jdong | crimsun: ah, ok, gotcha | 03:48 |
| jdong | part of the new QA process, I guess | 03:48 |
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| crimsun | yes | 03:49 |
| jdong | k, that just about takes care of my kernel concerns for tonight :) | 03:49 |
| jdong | oh yeah, I filed bug 61342 from a discussion I had earlier today in #ubuntu-devel... I don't think we have all the mentioned changesets | 03:50 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 61342 in linux-source-2.6.17 "Backport Intel 965 Express chipset support from 2.6.18" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/61342 | 03:50 |
| jdong | but then again, I really suck at searching the git trees :) | 03:50 |
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| freeflying | Riddell: no iso for ppc now? | 04:39 |
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| nixternal | Hobbsee: quick question, Kst has a new upstream release, v1.3.0. Debian and Ubuntu currently have 1.2.1 in unstable and edgy. should I just do a normal package, or should I poke the Debian Devs about the new update? | 05:58 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: boo. | 05:58 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: er, do either | 05:59 |
| Hobbsee | depends who the debian dev is, and how active they are | 05:59 |
| Hobbsee | !info kst edgy | 05:59 |
| ubotu | kst: A KDE application used for displaying scientific data. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2.1-2ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 3 kB, installed size 36 kB | 05:59 |
| nixternal | i will do the easiest, just package it..if i can't package it, then i do some poking ;) | 05:59 |
| Hobbsee | oh, i'ts universe anyway | 05:59 |
| nixternal | so that means go ahead and package away? | 05:59 |
| Hobbsee | i was thinking of if you'd have to get an exception for it | 06:04 |
| nixternal | funny thing is...you can't even find a mirror with it yet | 06:06 |
| === jdong randomly climbs out of bed at 12:07, types this into #kubuntu-devel, then goes back to sleep.... | ||
| nixternal | haha | 06:08 |
| === nixternal wonders if jdong has "beep" | ||
| nixternal | jdong | 06:08 |
| nixternal | hey jdong | 06:08 |
| nixternal | ;) | 06:08 |
| jdong | DAMN YOU :) | 06:08 |
| nixternal | haha | 06:08 |
| === jdong hits mute button | ||
| Jucato | jdong | 06:08 |
| jdong | OH YEAH, THAT DOESNT WORK YET | 06:08 |
| jdong | lazy developers :P | 06:08 |
| Jucato | at least he's not like Hawkwind who stumbles out of bed when he gets up :P | 06:09 |
| crimsun | the worst is my backscroll for "alsa" or "sound" | 06:09 |
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| jdong | s alsa sounds like a great idea right now... let me go grab some chipsets.... | 06:10 |
| jdong | anyone seen my kernels of corn? | 06:11 |
| === jdong probes for more crimsun buzzwords | ||
| === crimsun decides to send a git commit to revert the Realtek ALC883 fixes. | ||
| jdong | lol | 06:12 |
| crimsun | lala, no one uses that codec anyhow. | 06:12 |
| jdong | crimsun: you will feel a deep burning pain down in your launchpad area :) | 06:12 |
| jdong | where the sun don't shine | 06:12 |
| crimsun | it's pretty straightforward to leave those groups... | 06:12 |
| jdong | now, I should be getting back to sleep | 06:13 |
| jdong | good night all | 06:13 |
| jdong | ack, forget sleep... time to make some new firefox nightly binaries | 06:18 |
| nixternal | g'nite (beep beep) jdong (beep) | 06:18 |
| jdong | too late :) | 06:18 |
| nixternal | ;) | 06:18 |
| jdong | and I properly muted my sound this time | 06:19 |
| crimsun | damn you. | 06:19 |
| crimsun | stop that. now. | 06:19 |
| Jucato | lol | 06:19 |
| nixternal | im waiting for someone to revu my stuff and upload my 3 pkgs towards world domination | 06:19 |
| nixternal | im taking the world 1 bit at a time | 06:19 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: around? | 06:19 |
| jdong | lol | 06:19 |
| Jucato | jdong (beep) | 06:22 |
| Jucato | jdong (beep beep) | 06:22 |
| fdoving | hmm.. what makes guidance-power-manager say "This is not a laptop, quitting" on my ibook? | 06:39 |
| === Hobbsee cheers | ||
| Jucato | Hobbsee: what for? :P | 07:20 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: i got approved for a credit card :D | 07:20 |
| Jucato | nice!!! | 07:20 |
| Hobbsee | $2000 min limit | 07:20 |
| Jucato | could you buy me this book from Amazon and send it to this address? | 07:20 |
| Hobbsee | not that i intend to use it much :P | 07:20 |
| Hobbsee | hah | 07:21 |
| Hobbsee | dream on | 07:21 |
| === Jucato looks for his mailing add | ||
| Jucato | lol | 07:21 |
| === Hobbsee hates the places that say "okay, pay up. credit card only" | ||
| Jucato | Hobbsee: so now you have something to use on UDS Calif | 07:21 |
| Hobbsee | theoretically, yes | 07:22 |
| Jucato | :) | 07:22 |
| Hobbsee | if i get there | 07:22 |
| Jucato | So let me get this straight. UDS will be held inside Google's um... property? using Google's facilities? | 07:23 |
| Hobbsee | dont know, i presume so | 07:24 |
| Jucato | ah | 07:24 |
| insanekane | UDS ? | 07:33 |
| Jucato | Ubuntu Development Summit | 07:33 |
| Jucato | Developers | 07:33 |
| Jucato | rawr... | 07:33 |
| Hobbsee | heya insanekane | 07:35 |
| Hobbsee | well, both, really | 07:35 |
| insanekane | hi Hobbsee | 07:35 |
| Hobbsee | hopefully the developers will be doing development | 07:35 |
| Jucato | heh | 07:36 |
| Jucato | ano not lie half-naked in bed with their laptops :P | 07:36 |
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| insanekane | Hobbsee: you mean google is sponsoring a kubuntu development ? | 07:39 |
| Jucato | Ubuntu Developer Summit Mountain View! http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/554 | 07:39 |
| Hobbsee | insanekane: i wouldnt go that far | 07:43 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: heh. i wouldnt join them doing that, trust me :P | 07:43 |
| Jucato | you better not :P | 07:43 |
| insanekane | Hobbsee: oh ? | 07:44 |
| Hobbsee | insanekane: ie, i dont know if they're formally sponsoring or what - there were an awful lot of kubuntu/kde based SOC projects though | 07:44 |
| insanekane | Hobbsee: there are ? | 07:44 |
| insanekane | Hobbsee: didnt know that | 07:44 |
| Hobbsee | yeah | 07:44 |
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| Hobbsee | OEM installer, for one thing | 07:45 |
| Hobbsee | plenty of others | 07:45 |
| Jucato | OEM installer by abattoir :P | 07:45 |
| === insanekane wishes he were a student | ||
| Hobbsee | heh | 07:46 |
| === Hobbsee is. she's even over their age limit now | ||
| abattoir | KMformat(for formatting floppies/USB flash drives), KDE Guidance Wine module and LVM support for ubiquity were the others :) | 07:46 |
| Jucato | ooh ooh!! will KDE Guidance Wine module make it to Edgy? | 07:47 |
| abattoir | (other Kubuntu SoC projects) | 07:47 |
| abattoir | Jucato: not sure, you'd have to check w/ yuriy for that :) | 07:48 |
| Jucato | :P | 07:48 |
| abattoir | Jucato: so are you doing the nvidia page? | 07:51 |
| abattoir | oops, wrong channel | 07:52 |
| yuriy | Jucato: a couple things i need to fix (namely get this patch into wine...which is a frustrating process) but you could always check out svn and try it out ; ) | 07:54 |
| Jucato | yuriy: thanks for the update. | 07:55 |
| Jucato | I would surely check out svn stuff... if I only knew how... and how to not mess up my system with it :P | 07:55 |
| yuriy | heh | 07:55 |
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| Kuhrscher | Hi, does anyone know where the translations of the Kubuntu Installer are from? | 09:54 |
| Kuhrscher | In Dapper the translation was quite incomplete, but I could not find a corresponding incomplete translation... | 09:55 |
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| Jucato | wb Hobbsee | 10:14 |
| Hobbsee | heya | 10:14 |
| Hobbsee | oh my goodness | 10:14 |
| Jucato | ?? | 10:14 |
| Hobbsee | i'd forgotten what dapper was like | 10:14 |
| Jucato | lol | 10:14 |
| Jucato | welcome back to the "real" world :P | 10:14 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 10:14 |
| === Hobbsee want edgy! | ||
| === Hobbsee want the newer konversation | ||
| Jucato | heh | 10:14 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: use imbrandon repos for the newer konvi and kopete | 10:15 |
| Jucato | I'm using Konvi 1.0 on Dapper | 10:15 |
| Hobbsee | ahhhh..... | 10:15 |
| Hobbsee | i may just use irssi, not sure | 10:15 |
| Jucato | what? and miss out the konversation goodness? :P | 10:15 |
| Riddell | Kuhrscher: they're from ubiquity and debian-installer | 10:22 |
| Hobbsee | hi Riddell | 10:22 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: i'll try booting to edgy again soon, i expect | 10:22 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: why are you on Dapper anyway? | 10:22 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: no eth0 on edgy, for some reason | 10:22 |
| Hobbsee | i've had trouble here before | 10:22 |
| Jucato | oh... | 10:22 |
| Riddell | hi Hobbsee | 10:23 |
| === Jucato finds The Dot amusing, hopes it doesn't turn into the slashDot... | ||
| Kuhrscher | Riddell: Hmm strange, these templates are complete... | 10:24 |
| Kuhrscher | Riddell: Perhaps it's just a bug and the problem does not exist for edgy | 10:27 |
| Riddell | Kuhrscher: try the Knot 3 CD | 10:29 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: i'm hoping that if i close my eyes and snap my fingers, it'll go away | 10:30 |
| Riddell | Kuhrscher: let me know which strings aren't being translated and I'll look into it | 10:30 |
| Kuhrscher | Riddell: Thanks. I will try and report a bug if the problem persists | 10:30 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: lol :) | 10:30 |
| Riddell | Jucato: dot seems quite random today | 10:30 |
| Kuhrscher | Riddell: Ok, I will tell you tomorrow if they are still there | 10:31 |
| Jucato | Riddell: yeah. I also remember the comments when Celeste was featured :) | 10:32 |
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| Hobbsee | Jucato: what was the web address to get all of imbrandon's updated packages? | 10:52 |
| Jucato | er.. hold on :) | 10:52 |
| Jucato | deb http://imbrandon.com/packages dapper all | 10:52 |
| Hobbsee | oh, yep, right | 10:54 |
| Hobbsee | i was still using buntudot.org | 10:54 |
| Hobbsee | heh, now, the ssh is laggy :P | 10:54 |
| Jucato | heh | 10:54 |
| === Hobbsee kills off X | ||
| imbrandon | moins all | 10:55 |
| Jucato | imbrandon: moin! | 10:55 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee: pong | 10:55 |
| imbrandon | heh | 10:55 |
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| Jucato | wb Riddell | 10:55 |
| Jucato | wow! that's the first time I saw him leave/disconnect/whatever! | 10:56 |
| imbrandon | wow broken pipe , havent seen that before | 10:56 |
| Jucato | hm.. | 10:56 |
| === Jucato has quit (Broken bone) | ||
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: --> query | 10:57 |
| imbrandon | hrm /me looks for the right qery window in irssi | 10:59 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 10:59 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 10:59 |
| imbrandon | hilight me in it | 10:59 |
| imbrandon | heh | 10:59 |
| Hobbsee | i'm not terribly used to it either | 10:59 |
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| Jucato | hi el! | 11:02 |
| el | moin Jucato :) | 11:02 |
| imbrandon | ello el and Jucato | 11:03 |
| === \sh_away is now known as \sh | ||
| imbrandon | and moins \sh | 11:03 |
| el | huhu imbrandon :) | 11:04 |
| \sh | moins all :) | 11:04 |
| Hobbsee | hi \sh | 11:12 |
| Hobbsee | hi el! | 11:12 |
| el | hi Hobbsee :) | 11:13 |
| \sh | hey Hobbsee | 11:13 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 11:15 |
| === Hobbsee is without X, without networking on edgy :( | ||
| Hobbsee | dapper is so old.... | 11:15 |
| Jucato | :P | 11:15 |
| Jucato | you are so mean... | 11:15 |
| Jucato | remember Dapper = 3 years support | 11:15 |
| Hobbsee | yeah, well | 11:16 |
| Jucato | oooh! el's gonna give a talk at the aKademy :) | 11:17 |
| el | Jucato, yes - right on saturday morning... so no staying out late for me on friday ;-) | 11:18 |
| Jucato | el: nice.good luck! :) | 11:18 |
| Hobbsee | ooh, fun, what on? | 11:18 |
| el | Jucato, thank you :) | 11:18 |
| Jucato | "Keeping Users in Mind" | 11:18 |
| el | Hobbsee, usability in KDE | 11:19 |
| Jucato | http://conference2006.kde.org/conference/talks/38.php | 11:19 |
| Hobbsee | el: i guess that's expected | 11:21 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 11:21 |
| === Hobbsee found out how to kill a virtual terminal :P | ||
| Jucato | Hobbsee: I think Seveas was connected to that? lol | 11:22 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: hehe | 11:22 |
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| Jucato | ooh the clone of Hobbsee | 11:29 |
| Jucato | evil evil clone | 11:29 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 11:29 |
| Hobbsee | this is hobbsee locally now | 11:29 |
| === mode/#kubuntu-devel [+o Hobbsee] by ChanServ | ||
| Hobbsee | indeed i'm evil...... | 11:29 |
| Jucato | oooh | 11:29 |
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| Hobbsee | heh | 11:30 |
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| Riddell | let's try those language packs again | 12:34 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 12:35 |
| Hobbsee | what, all of them | 12:35 |
| Hobbsee | ? | 12:35 |
| Riddell | *all* of them | 12:35 |
| Hobbsee | people are suggesting mv edgy-changes riddell-changes | 12:35 |
| Riddell | they'll love it when I rebuild KDE to change the .pot files to UTF 8 then :) | 12:36 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 12:36 |
| Hobbsee | all of it? | 12:36 |
| Hobbsee | holy cow, not again..... | 12:36 |
| Riddell | actually it's only a few modules that use non-asii characters so doesn't need to be all of it | 12:36 |
| Hobbsee | ah, okay then... | 12:37 |
| Hobbsee | not quite so bad | 12:37 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: any news concerning the translations problems ? | 12:55 |
| Tonio_ | my edgy is still half english/french | 12:55 |
| jeroenvrp | During dapper development I was subscribed to a mailing list, that showed all the changes in the dapper-repos - can't find it - what is the best way to have something similar for edgy | 12:55 |
| jeroenvrp | ? | 12:55 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: I fixed that earlier this week, but it'll need to be imported into rosetta (should happen automatically) and exported into language packs before you'll notice | 12:56 |
| Riddell | jeroenvrp: edgy-changes | 12:56 |
| Jucato | jeroenvrp: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edgy-changes ? | 12:56 |
| jeroenvrp | ah that is | 12:56 |
| jeroenvrp | yes | 12:56 |
| jeroenvrp | thanks | 12:56 |
| === imbrandon likes when the buildd's are full of *all of kde* | ||
| imbrandon | heh | 01:04 |
| Jucato | :) | 01:04 |
| imbrandon | Riddell: do you know how much sladen charges for a virtual server ( on 19inch ) | 01:06 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: name a price | 01:07 |
| imbrandon | oh really, wow | 01:07 |
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| imbrandon | beta freeze tomarrow ? | 01:19 |
| sebas | Riddell: Which uuid changes were you refering to (re: mountconfig)? | 01:19 |
| Riddell | sebas: cat /proc/mounts | 01:20 |
| Riddell | /dev/disk/by-uuid/afc02639-661e-479d-a5cc-6d584e939095 /home ext3 rw,data=ordered 0 0 | 01:20 |
| Riddell | /dev/disk/by-uuid/902f2966-e8c7-4769-978f-7eb817393cb9 /media/hda4 ext3 rw,data=ordered 0 0 | 01:20 |
| sebas | I can't easily tell since I'm on Dapper, and I won't upgrade my notebook to edgy, so it'll have to wait until after akademy. | 01:20 |
| Riddell | sebas: I'll show you at akademy, I don't really understand what it does (other than it's preparing for libata) | 01:20 |
| Riddell | but it confuses mountconfig | 01:21 |
| sebas | I can imagine. | 01:21 |
| sebas | It doesn't look like it's using libata for PATA devices, given it's still /media/hda4, not sda4. | 01:21 |
| imbrandon | hrm only my ext partitions are using uuid | 01:22 |
| imbrandon | ext3* | 01:22 |
| imbrandon | resierfs on the same drive doesnt | 01:22 |
| sebas | Sounds buggy. | 01:22 |
| imbrandon | ( sda ) | 01:22 |
| sebas | That's SATA? | 01:23 |
| imbrandon | yea | 01:23 |
| sebas | When is edgy release? | 01:23 |
| sebas | And when is freeze-freeze? | 01:23 |
| imbrandon | 26th, beta freeze tomarrow | 01:23 |
| imbrandon | feature freeze past | 01:23 |
| sebas | Aye. | 01:23 |
| sebas | Jup, that I knew. | 01:24 |
| imbrandon | yea see | 01:24 |
| sebas | Powermanager still doesn't know about idle times, and from the code I've read in kscreensaver, it's non-trivial to do in python. | 01:24 |
| imbrandon | here is my sata mounts ( all on one sata drive /media/windows is a PATA drive ) | 01:24 |
| imbrandon | http://pastebin.ca/177343 | 01:24 |
| sebas | thx | 01:24 |
| sebas | mountconfig should be relatively easy to fix though. | 01:25 |
| imbrandon | dunno why some are normal and some by uuid on the same drive, the only thing i can see is my / is reiser and /boot is ext3 | 01:25 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: okay thanks for the info | 01:44 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: which info? | 01:46 |
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| kwwii_ | Tonio_: have time to add a bunch of stuff to k-d-s later? | 01:50 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: concerning the languages :) | 02:00 |
| Tonio_ | sorry I'm long to respond today...... | 02:01 |
| Riddell | ah yes :) | 02:01 |
| Tonio_ | I crashed my web server trying to upgrade to edgy, so I'm not very available ;) | 02:01 |
| Tonio_ | everything was going well all the day to I said "let's upgrade" | 02:01 |
| Tonio_ | 150 GB datas to backup before reinstall.... | 02:01 |
| Tonio_ | okay let's continue the backup...... | 02:02 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: ouch | 02:02 |
| Tm_T | hrrr | 02:02 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: hehe, migrating to lightttpd in 30 minutes, same for mysql uopgrade etc....... | 02:04 |
| Hobbsee | ah | 02:05 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: I felt invincible yesterday evening hehe ;) | 02:05 |
| Tonio_ | I was wrong ! | 02:05 |
| === Hobbsee thought having to do dapper's updates was bad enough | ||
| Hobbsee | hehe. clearly you have not taken murphy's law into account | 02:05 |
| Tonio_ | I'll remember this :) | 02:05 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: exactly ;) | 02:05 |
| Tonio_ | okay let's go, I'll be back this evening ;) | 02:06 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: SHAME ON YOU FOR IGNORING MURPHY'S LAW! :p | 02:06 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: do you have edit rights on the fridge? | 02:06 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: eveyone ignores murphy's law :) | 02:06 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: if you consider murphy's law, you stay at home and forget to live, since anything can happen anytime | 02:06 |
| Hobbsee | welll...yes and no | 02:07 |
| Tonio_ | hehe, the point is I have to go search a new HDD... | 02:07 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: I've been able to force reboot on recevery system, but I don't have enough space to backup.... | 02:07 |
| Tonio_ | shitty day :) | 02:07 |
| Hobbsee | ahhh... | 02:07 |
| Hobbsee | ouch | 02:07 |
| Tonio_ | s/recevery/recovery, sorry | 02:08 |
| Tonio_ | 600 000 files haha :) that'll take a while | 02:08 |
| imbrandon | Riddell: yup | 02:08 |
| Hobbsee | hehe ouch | 02:08 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: any idea if I do? | 02:09 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: could you change the latest article "runs until next Tuesday" to say "runs until the following Saturday" | 02:10 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: and preferably change all the aKademy's to Akademy | 02:11 |
| imbrandon | sure | 02:13 |
| imbrandon | Riddell: i think you do too , i'll check after i edit that | 02:13 |
| imbrandon | Riddell: done | 02:18 |
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| freeflying | Riddell: no install cd for ppc now? | 02:23 |
| Tm_T | hmmh | 02:23 |
| Tm_T | this is irritating | 02:23 |
| Tm_T | what to do packsge that doesn't install nor remove, it's just mess between | 02:23 |
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| Hobbsee | freeflying: likely, did someone fix ruby? | 02:24 |
| Hobbsee | on ppc? | 02:24 |
| Riddell | freeflying: seems not, but there isn't one for ubuntu either so not my fault :) | 02:24 |
| freeflying | Hobbsee: ruby? which one? | 02:24 |
| imbrandon | freeflying: i used the ppc install cd ( knot 3 ) on release day | 02:24 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: no | 02:24 |
| imbrandon | Riddell: hrm the ppc cd is what i used to test knot 3 | 02:25 |
| Hobbsee | freeflying: whichever was stopping kubuntu-desktop being installable on knot 3 | 02:25 |
| Hobbsee | s/knot 3/ppc/g | 02:25 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: yes, knot 3 is fine. freeflying was talking about the today's daily CD | 02:25 |
| freeflying | Hobbsee: i see, thanks | 02:25 |
| imbrandon | Riddell: ahhh | 02:25 |
| === imbrandon gets lost easy | ||
| imbrandon | heh | 02:26 |
| imbrandon | Riddell: anything we need to crank out before freeze tomarrow? | 02:27 |
| imbrandon | ( that i can help with heheh ) | 02:27 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: fancy building koffice 1.6 rc 1? | 02:28 |
| imbrandon | Riddell: sure | 02:29 |
| imbrandon | for kubuntu.org or the archive ? | 02:29 |
| Riddell | kubuntu.org | 02:29 |
| imbrandon | kk so dapper all 3 arches, sure thing | 02:29 |
| === imbrandon gets started | ||
| Riddell | but we need people to test it so we will be allowed to put in the final 1.6 | 02:29 |
| Riddell | err, do you have the source? | 02:30 |
| imbrandon | not yet | 02:30 |
| Riddell | so how are you going to get started? :) | 02:30 |
| imbrandon | where is it svn ? | 02:30 |
| gnomefreak | im testing 1.6 as of right now from kubuntu.org if you make changes ill be glad to test it | 02:30 |
| imbrandon | heh i was opening a term and such ;) | 02:30 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 02:30 |
| Hobbsee | dapper or edgy? | 02:30 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: /msg;d | 02:30 |
| imbrandon | kk | 02:30 |
| === Hobbsee sighs. looks like toshiba is recalling some of their batteries too | ||
| gnomefreak | is there anyway you guys can make a webboard type app for kde | 02:31 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: packages for dapper and edgy for three platforms would be lovely (or whatever you can manage) | 02:31 |
| imbrandon | sure | 02:31 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: build it on 1 platform on edgy first and make sure any new files are installed | 02:31 |
| imbrandon | i can do all3 for both | 02:31 |
| imbrandon | kk | 02:31 |
| imbrandon | Riddell: is the current /debian in that tarbal or use the one from kubuntu.org and modify ( if needed ) | 02:33 |
| imbrandon | its wgetting now | 02:33 |
| Riddell | it shouldn't have a debian/ dir | 02:33 |
| Riddell | use the one from kubuntu.org | 02:33 |
| imbrandon | kk | 02:33 |
| Tm_T | meh, time to reinstall edgy to laptop, now I lost network too =) | 02:34 |
| imbrandon | gnomefreak: cool after its built and such i'll ping you | 02:34 |
| gnomefreak | imbrandon: ty | 02:34 |
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| Hobbsee | right, i'm not effected. yay | 02:38 |
| imbrandon | ok edgy i386 build started ( as the test run ) , brb more soda | 02:42 |
| imbrandon | hehe Hobbsee your detmined to get me to use vim ;) /me will try to get used to it | 02:47 |
| Hobbsee | eh | 02:48 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 02:48 |
| Hobbsee | i didnt force it back | 02:48 |
| imbrandon | hrm i might have | 02:48 |
| imbrandon | no biggie i need to learn it anyhow | 02:48 |
| imbrandon | plus it does handle dch -i better | 02:48 |
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| Hobbsee | haha | 02:49 |
| Hobbsee | yes, dont blame me for stuff i didnt do :P | 02:49 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 02:49 |
| imbrandon | ... | 03:01 |
| JohnFlux | Riddell: i thought of a simple solution btw | 03:03 |
| JohnFlux | Riddell: for the amarok thing | 03:03 |
| JohnFlux | Riddell: real simple ;-) | 03:03 |
| Riddell | JohnFlux: oh? | 03:03 |
| JohnFlux | change all the "kdialog..." to "kstart --ontop kdialog ...." | 03:03 |
| Riddell | you're a genius | 03:03 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 03:04 |
| imbrandon | Riddell, want me to fix that , or you already ontop of it ? | 03:06 |
| JohnFlux | Riddell: kstart --help has lots of options that might be worth playing with | 03:07 |
| Riddell | testing out the current script I don't have a problem with windows appearing under amarok, they all appear on top | 03:09 |
| Riddell | but we should tell the user that something is happening during apt-get update, that's quite unnerving | 03:10 |
| JohnFlux | Riddell: i think it would be fine to have the dialogs ontop | 03:11 |
| Riddell | JohnFlux: for me they already are | 03:11 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: let me try it, I want to look at telling the user apt-get update is happening too | 03:12 |
| imbrandon | Riddell, okies | 03:12 |
| imbrandon | brb rebooting the server that houses my irc ;( | 03:13 |
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| imbrandon | welp there went my 32 days uptime on the dapper server heh | 03:18 |
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| JohnFlux | Riddell: btw, i think the defaults for vim should be for niceness rather than compatibility | 03:26 |
| JohnFlux | Riddell: e.g. turn on syntax highlighting etc | 03:26 |
| JohnFlux | Riddell: i don't know why the default is to prefer vi compatibility | 03:26 |
| Riddell | JohnFlux: that's not my area (not a vim user), although I know that vim was replaced with vim-tiny recently to save space | 03:27 |
| JohnFlux | lol | 03:28 |
| === imbrandon {hearts} nano | ||
| imbrandon | hehe | 03:28 |
| JohnFlux | Riddell: doh, one problem i just ran into was that i didn't have pkg-config installed | 03:32 |
| JohnFlux | Riddell: any chance that build-essential could also include this? | 03:32 |
| Riddell | JohnFlux: no, build-essential is very restricted | 03:32 |
| JohnFlux | grr | 03:33 |
| JohnFlux | there's needs to be a build-useufl | 03:33 |
| JohnFlux | there's needs to be a build-useful | 03:33 |
| JohnFlux | with automake, pkg-config etc | 03:33 |
| JohnFlux | i always forget most of the packages that I need | 03:33 |
| Riddell | JohnFlux: apt-get build-dep kdelibs4-dev | 03:34 |
| JohnFlux | Riddell: hey, that's really neat | 03:36 |
| JohnFlux | Riddell: does that work in debian as well? | 03:36 |
| imbrandon | JohnFlux: should | 03:37 |
| JohnFlux | that's cool | 03:38 |
| JohnFlux | i added it to the build instructions for kde | 03:39 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 03:39 |
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| Riddell | JohnFlux: kstart seems to make kdialogue run in the background, which makes it unusable in the script | 03:42 |
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| JohnFlux | Riddell: oh doh | 03:42 |
| Hobbsee | heya | 03:43 |
| === Hobbsee crosses her fingers and hopes that the latest updates will unbreak X | ||
| JohnFlux | Riddell: thats... annoyin | 03:44 |
| danimo | Riddell: this is totally weired: I can't lauch amarok, konversation and knm via Alt+F2 | 03:44 |
| danimo | Riddell: it opens a konsole session instead and I don | 03:44 |
| danimo | 't see why | 03:44 |
| Hobbsee | danimo: is it set to run in a terminal from the kmenu optoin? | 03:44 |
| imbrandon | danimo: check your options for alt+f2 | 03:45 |
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| danimo | Hobbsee, imbrandon: tried both, nothin | 03:46 |
| danimo | can you reproduce it? | 03:46 |
| imbrandon | nope just tried, acts as normal | 03:46 |
| danimo | odd | 03:46 |
| imbrandon | all but knm ( dont have that installed ) | 03:46 |
| imbrandon | but konvo and amarok are ok | 03:46 |
| danimo | it works via kdeinit_wrapper, too | 03:47 |
| danimo | really odd | 03:47 |
| danimo | ahhhh | 03:47 |
| danimo | it stores the settings per application | 03:47 |
| danimo | (in alt+f2 menu) | 03:47 |
| imbrandon | right | 03:47 |
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| Hobbsee | !ping | 03:54 |
| ubotu | ping: connection timeout | 03:54 |
| Hobbsee | i swear my system likes being tempramental. and my X likes being broken. | 03:54 |
| imbrandon | heh | 03:54 |
| Jucato | wb Hobbsee | 03:54 |
| Hobbsee | yay | 03:54 |
| === Hobbsee kicks the 35s lag | ||
| === imbrandon just dosent reboot for days on end, that fixes X issues ;) | ||
| Hobbsee | hehe | 03:56 |
| Hobbsee | yeah well, i wouldnt | 03:56 |
| === Hobbsee booted to all 3 of her OS's on this machien today | ||
| Riddell | imbrandon: seems the pt_BR doc translations are broken in 1.6 rc1, you may need to patch that or ask CryilleB in #koffice to ping you when he has a fix | 03:56 |
| imbrandon | Riddell: ok | 03:57 |
| imbrandon | its still building atm | 03:57 |
| Riddell | yes, it takes a while :) | 03:57 |
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| imbrandon | ;) | 03:58 |
| Hobbsee | er, has anyone had trouble recently with g-p-m not startign up? | 04:00 |
| === Jucato_ raises his hand | ||
| Hobbsee | right... | 04:01 |
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| === Hobbsee wonders what happened to /usr/bin/guidance-power-manager | ||
| Jucato_ | well, maybe it got hurt because we were always complaining :P | 04:02 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: it's moved to a new package which will be stuck in NEW | 04:02 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: right.... | 04:02 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: when was that getting pushed thru? | 04:02 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: any way to call it in the interim time? | 04:03 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: whenever an archive maintainer gets round to it | 04:03 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: infinity gone to bed yet? :P | 04:03 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: you'd need to build from source yourself | 04:03 |
| Hobbsee | it's only midnight | 04:03 |
| imbrandon | ohh yea i needed to poke infinity anyhow about amarok , shiznit | 04:04 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: why amarok? | 04:04 |
| imbrandon | Riddell: becosue the backport ate the binarys | 04:04 |
| Riddell | yum | 04:04 |
| imbrandon | and he can recover them now that its fixed | 04:04 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 04:05 |
| Hobbsee | hehe, very yum | 04:05 |
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| Hobbsee | oh no..... | 04:08 |
| imbrandon | Riddell: is that an old /admin dir in koffice ? | 04:09 |
| Jucato | um.. libvisual-0.4-plugins is not in dapper-backports or in the amarok-143 kubuntu.org repository, but it's in the amarok-142 repository | 04:09 |
| imbrandon | Riddell: it coudlent find configure , so i tried to run make -f Makefile.cvs ( that normaly would fix it ) but it compalins that it needs autoconf 2.53 or newer and 2.6 is installed | 04:09 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: what? | 04:10 |
| imbrandon | i probably forgot to backport them Jucato | 04:10 |
| Riddell | oh koffice | 04:10 |
| Jucato | ah ok. that explains it. :) | 04:10 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: that's very broken | 04:10 |
| imbrandon | chmod: cannot access `/tmp/buildd/koffice-1.5.92/./configure': No such file or directory | 04:10 |
| imbrandon | so i tried to make -f Makefile.cvs | 04:10 |
| imbrandon | to create it | 04:10 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: you need http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kubuntu_00_autoconf2.60.diff then | 04:11 |
| jdong|laptop | Jucato: the libvisuals should be in backports, I think | 04:11 |
| imbrandon | Riddell: k | 04:11 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: and tell the koffice devs to use the current admin directory | 04:11 |
| Jucato_ | jdong|laptop: should be, unless soyuz messed up again | 04:11 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: cant seem to see the package sitting in NEW at all | 04:11 |
| Hobbsee | i may well have missed it | 04:11 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: run make -f debian/rules buildprep then remake the .orig tar (without the debian directory) | 04:11 |
| jdong|laptop | Jucato: they got there from last time.... | 04:11 |
| Jucato_ | jdong|laptop: well it's not there anymore :) | 04:11 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: I don't think we get to see the binary NEW queue | 04:12 |
| jdong|laptop | Jucato: yeah, I see that now | 04:12 |
| imbrandon | jdong|laptop: libvisual-0.4-0 and libvisual-0.4-plugins are diffrent source packages , they need to be backported seperate | 04:12 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: ahh okay | 04:12 |
| jdong|laptop | imbrandon: yeah, just saw that | 04:12 |
| imbrandon | and no soyuz is fixed now | 04:12 |
| === Hobbsee headdesks more. | ||
| imbrandon | jdong|laptop: can you do that backport while i finish playing with koffice | 04:13 |
| === jdong|laptop heads over to launchpad | ||
| jdong|laptop | imbrandon: I'm on it | 04:13 |
| imbrandon | thanks | 04:13 |
| === Jucato looks for something to play with... | ||
| danimo | hmm, where does kubuntu set the locale? | 04:13 |
| Riddell | seaLne: any plans to package qt4 ruby bindings? a conflict on qt3 bindings is as good a solution as any for now | 04:13 |
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| === danimo bootstrapped edgy via deboostrap and now realizes that his locale settings are missing | ||
| danimo | (on the console) | 04:14 |
| imbrandon | danimo: export LC_LANG=C | 04:14 |
| imbrandon | i think will do it | 04:14 |
| danimo | imbrandon: well, yes, but where is it supposed to be set? | 04:15 |
| imbrandon | dunno lol | 04:15 |
| Riddell | danimo: you need to run gen-locale to generate the locale or export LANG=C to not use one | 04:15 |
| danimo | Riddell: I want to use one | 04:15 |
| seaLne | Riddell: rdale had talked about coming up with a solution and i've been playing about with packaging it so i do plan to have something before universe freeze | 04:19 |
| Riddell | seaLne: lovely | 04:20 |
| seaLne | are there problems with python and qt stuff currently? | 04:20 |
| seaLne | just tried to update a machine that hadn't been updated for a week or so | 04:20 |
| andrunko | Riddell: you there now? | 04:21 |
| jdong|laptop | grr, flashplugin backport doesn't work | 04:22 |
| jdong|laptop | damn it | 04:22 |
| jdong|laptop | then... wtf did I test it on | 04:22 |
| jdong|laptop | GASP | 04:22 |
| Hobbsee | you didnt? *g* | 04:22 |
| andrunko | Riddell: i would like to ask you a favor, or some kde package guru here | 04:22 |
| === jdong|laptop instructs everyone to point and laugh at him | ||
| === jdong|laptop has mislabeled his dapper and edgy chroots | ||
| andrunko | i packaged telepathy-qt and dholbach wants someone to review it before going to build queue | 04:23 |
| Hobbsee | haha, oops | 04:23 |
| Jucato | yes broken | 04:23 |
| Jucato | jdong|laptop: bug 61444 | 04:24 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 61444 in flashplugin-nonfree "I am having problems to install this new package of flashplugin-nonfree" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/61444 | 04:24 |
| jdong|laptop | Jucato: yeah, see the part about pointing and laughing at me | 04:24 |
| jdong|laptop | while I rename some directories | 04:24 |
| Riddell | andrunko: hi | 04:24 |
| Riddell | seaLne: shouldn't be | 04:24 |
| andrunko | Riddell: hi | 04:24 |
| jdong|laptop | Jucato: can you mark that as dupe of bug 61404? | 04:24 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 61404 in dapper-backports "Flashplugin-nonfree in backports fails to install" [Untriaged,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/61404 | 04:25 |
| andrunko | Riddell: i packaged telepathy-qt and dholbach wants someone to review it before going to build queue | 04:25 |
| Riddell | andrunko: sure | 04:25 |
| andrunko | Riddell: could you do it please? | 04:25 |
| andrunko | nice | 04:25 |
| Riddell | andrunko: where do I get it? | 04:25 |
| Jucato | jdong|laptop: how about a duplicate of but 52237? | 04:25 |
| jdong|laptop | bug 52237 | 04:25 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 52237 in flashplugin-nonfree ""installation failed" error while dist upgrading." [Untriaged,Fix released] http://launchpad.net/bugs/52237 | 04:25 |
| Jucato | er.. hm... | 04:25 |
| jdong|laptop | Jucato: no, not the same bug | 04:26 |
| andrunko | Riddell: https://launchpad.net/people/telepathy/+branch/telepathy-qt/ubuntu | 04:26 |
| jdong|laptop | Jucato: the point is, both dapper AND dapper-backports flashplugin are broken | 04:26 |
| andrunko | Riddell: this is just the debian dir, the code can be found at https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/tapioca-voip/trunk/telepathy-qt (svn) | 04:27 |
| Jucato | rawr... | 04:27 |
| andrunko | Riddell: and thank you in advance | 04:27 |
| Riddell | andrunko: svn co https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/tapioca-voip/trunk/telepathy-qt ? | 04:27 |
| andrunko | yep | 04:28 |
| danimo | what's telepathy-qt? | 04:28 |
| Riddell | andrunko: telepathy-qt isn't released yet right? | 04:29 |
| andrunko | Riddell: no, but i can do it if needed | 04:29 |
| andrunko | Riddell: the package is not generating shlibs depends correctly, it would be nice if you could find what is missing | 04:30 |
| Riddell | andrunko: no that's fine | 04:30 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: ping ? | 04:32 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_: pong | 04:32 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: we should backport proftpd to dapper | 04:33 |
| Tonio_ | the current version missed mysql support | 04:33 |
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| Tonio_ | imbrandon: here is the bug | 04:33 |
| imbrandon | does build in a clean dapperchroot with no changes? | 04:33 |
| imbrandon | if so it should be fine | 04:33 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: yes | 04:34 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: bug 59359 | 04:34 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 59359 in proftpd "proftpd-mysql-1.2.10-27ubuntu3 has stopped authenticating with mysql" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/59359 | 04:34 |
| imbrandon | ok i'll file it here in a few minutes | 04:34 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: I have set a proftpd with mysql and I had to backport the edgy version to get it to work | 04:34 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: thanks ;) | 04:34 |
| seaLne | Riddell: http://rafb.net/paste/results/BLDqIf81.html | 04:35 |
| Jucato | jdong|laptop: do you want me to mark all duplicate reports as a duplicate of 61404? | 04:36 |
| jdong|laptop | Jucato: yeah, if they're the same problem | 04:37 |
| imbrandon | Riddell: ok wth i'm i missing here, i applied the patch ( even tried with a fresh /admin dir ) http://pastebin.ca/177559 | 04:37 |
| Jucato | jdong|laptop: heh, so far I'm seeing 3 reports, excluding yours | 04:37 |
| Riddell | seaLne: looks very broken | 04:37 |
| Jucato | jdong|laptop: make that 4... | 04:38 |
| seaLne | yeah which seems strange that its only that machine | 04:38 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: guidance power manager has been splitted ? | 04:39 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: look like removed from my computer | 04:40 |
| jdong|laptop | Jucato: I've asked for the backport to be pulled, and I've marked upstream/dapper as affected | 04:40 |
| imbrandon | err Riddell i psted the wrong thing | 04:40 |
| Tonio_ | but I still have the kde-guidance package | 04:40 |
| imbrandon | Riddell: one sec | 04:40 |
| Jucato | jdong|laptop: should I change all the status from Confirmed to In Progress, too? | 04:40 |
| Riddell | seaLne: not really my area, you'll need to report a bug | 04:41 |
| jdong|laptop | Jucato: naw, marking them as dupes is enough | 04:41 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: yes, it's not past NEW yet | 04:41 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: ah okay :) | 04:41 |
| Jucato | jdong|laptop: ok. still hunting if there are other dupes left :P | 04:41 |
| andrunko | danimo: telepathy-qt is a qt binding for telepathy (http://telepathy.freedesktop.org) | 04:41 |
| Riddell | andrunko: your package looks like a work of perfection, have you done this before? | 04:42 |
| Riddell | andrunko: the shlibs dependecies work fine for me | 04:42 |
| andrunko | Riddell: hehe, you must be kidding | 04:42 |
| andrunko | Riddell: i did some packages before, but never with cmake dependency | 04:43 |
| Riddell | andrunko: only problem is the qmake/qmake-qt4 issue, I'm fixing cmake to look for qmake-qt4 first so you will need to build-dep on cmake (>= 2.4.3-1ubuntu1) | 04:43 |
| andrunko | ah great | 04:43 |
| Riddell | andrunko: want me to upload your package then? | 04:43 |
| andrunko | yeah, i had to update-alternatives cmake | 04:43 |
| andrunko | Riddell: if you could, it would be great | 04:44 |
| danimo | andrunko: interesting to hear about this | 04:45 |
| danimo | andrunko: is this qt 4 or qt 3? | 04:45 |
| andrunko | qt4 | 04:45 |
| danimo | andrunko: possible candidate for kdepim integration then, no? | 04:46 |
| andrunko | danimo: you would really like what we are doing now, tapioca-qt on top of telepathy-qt, there is some work done already on tapioca svn | 04:46 |
| andrunko | the same place of telepathy-qt | 04:46 |
| andrunko | decibel is going to use it | 04:46 |
| danimo | what is tapioca? | 04:46 |
| danimo | ah | 04:46 |
| andrunko | tapioca is a bunch of convenience libraries on top of telepathy | 04:46 |
| Hawkwind | Tapioca is a type of pudding :) | 04:46 |
| andrunko | we developed some telepathy bindings directly, telepathy-qt telepathy-sharp and now we are building tapioca-sharp and tapioca-qt | 04:47 |
| andrunko | and for sure we will do tapioca-glib also | 04:47 |
| andrunko | Hawkwind: hehe, yes it is | 04:47 |
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| Jucato | jdong|laptop: I can't mark bug 61349 as a duplicate because "There are other bugs already marked as duplicates of Bug 61349." | 04:47 |
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| Ubugtu | Malone bug 61349 in flashplugin-nonfree "postinst error: update-rc.d uses nonexistent `multiuser' setting" [Medium,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/61349 | 04:47 |
| dholbach | hey | 04:47 |
| imbrandon | Riddell: whats the make target to reverse the pacthes with cdbs | 04:48 |
| andrunko | dholbach: hey | 04:48 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: touch debian/stamp-patched; make -f debian/rules reverse-patches | 04:48 |
| Riddell | I think | 04:48 |
| imbrandon | k | 04:48 |
| dholbach | Riddell: I got this: | 04:48 |
| dholbach | daniel@bert:~$ lintian /var/cache/pbuilder/result/libtelepathy-qt0_0.1.0~svn20060918-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb | 04:48 |
| dholbach | el: libtelepathy-qt0: no-shlibs-control-file usr/lib/libQtTelepathy.so | 04:48 |
| dholbach | ... | 04:48 |
| el | dholbach, ? | 04:49 |
| dholbach | el: sorry - that must have been stupid autocompletion | 04:49 |
| el | huhu, mr neigbour :) | 04:49 |
| dholbach | hi el! | 04:49 |
| dholbach | el: YOU ROCK! :-) | 04:49 |
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| el | wohooo :) | 04:49 |
| dholbach | "E :" -> "el:" | 04:49 |
| Riddell | dholbach: hmm, it looks unversioned | 04:50 |
| Riddell | andrunko: is the library unversioned? | 04:50 |
| seaLne | is there a really hacky, nasty way to very remove a package? | 04:50 |
| dholbach | Riddell: apart from that I agree: the packaging is good | 04:51 |
| imbrandon | rm -rf | 04:51 |
| Jucato | heh | 04:51 |
| seaLne | that wouldn't convice apt | 04:51 |
| andrunko | Riddell: yep :(. i didn't know how to version it using cmake, i am a newbie with cmake | 04:51 |
| dholbach | seaLne: sudo dpkg -P ? | 04:51 |
| andrunko | Riddell: if you know how to do it, i can change on tapioca svn directly | 04:51 |
| seaLne | "Package is in a vry bad inconsistent state" is not a good error | 04:52 |
| mornfall | el: poke? | 04:53 |
| el | huhu mornfall ! | 04:54 |
| el | how are you? | 04:54 |
| danimo | heya el! | 04:54 |
| el | hey ho danimo :) | 04:54 |
| mornfall | could be worse :) | 04:54 |
| mornfall | el: could you maybe join #ekhis for a bit? :) | 04:54 |
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| Hobbsee | :P | 04:55 |
| el | ;-) | 04:55 |
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| seaLne | changelog for new python-defaults sound hopefully relevant | 04:56 |
| andrunko | Riddell: dholbach i got go lunch, will be back in a hour, or 2 or 3 :) | 04:56 |
| dholbach | andrunko: see you | 04:56 |
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| andrunko | laters | 04:57 |
| el | dholbach, we might go for a quick dinner later? | 04:57 |
| dholbach | el: when did you plan to for dinner? | 04:58 |
| n8k99 | hello everybody | 04:58 |
| el | dholbach, don't know > 7/8. need to go back to the office afterwards | 04:58 |
| dholbach | 8 would be nice - need to go back to work afterwards too | 04:58 |
| dholbach | or I just work from your place ;-) | 04:59 |
| el | hehe, you're welcome :) | 04:59 |
| dholbach | nice ;-) | 05:00 |
| nixternal | gooooooood mornin' kubuntu`estos | 05:02 |
| imbrandon | lo nix | 05:03 |
| dholbach | el: thanks a lot | 05:03 |
| n8k99 | anybody else missing sound in edgy on ppc? | 05:03 |
| Jucato | moin nixternal | 05:03 |
| el | dholbach, then let's speak later when + where to meet | 05:03 |
| nixternal | kwwii_ & Riddell -- ping-a-ling-a-ding-dong | 05:04 |
| imbrandon | n8k99: seems to wok on my lappy fine but i havent tested it /today/ | 05:04 |
| dholbach | el: sure | 05:04 |
| kwwii_ | nixternal: hi | 05:04 |
| n8k99 | imbrandon: i get the startup chirp when i log in but that's the last i hear of it | 05:04 |
| nixternal | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDocs/Edgy | 05:04 |
| nixternal | all the way down kwwii_ | 05:04 |
| kwwii_ | n8k99: my soind does not work either | 05:04 |
| nixternal | how are you doing by the way ;) | 05:04 |
| Jucato | heh, someone's extremely happy today :P | 05:05 |
| Riddell | nixternal: hi | 05:05 |
| nixternal | Kubuntu stylesheets - The stylesheets need to be altered to remove KDE logos....<- plan on replacing these with Kubuntu logos? | 05:05 |
| el | hey kwwii_ :) | 05:05 |
| nixternal | hiya Riddell ;) | 05:05 |
| n8k99 | is there a bug report open about this? | 05:05 |
| Riddell | nixternal: only for kubuntu docs | 05:06 |
| kwwii_ | hih el | 05:06 |
| jdong|laptop | imbrandon: I can't be around much today, unfortunately | 05:06 |
| nixternal | aka, Release Notes, About Kubuntu, and Kubuntu Desktop Guide | 05:06 |
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| jdong|laptop | imbrandon: can you keep poking ubuntu-archive about pulling flashplugin? | 05:06 |
| kwwii_ | nixternal: hehe, that is some fun work, let me tell you | 05:06 |
| imbrandon | jdong|laptop: sure, and if he is subscribed he will get to it, but sure | 05:06 |
| nixternal | actually, could be easy depending on how we go about it ;) | 05:07 |
| Jucato | kwwii_: try not to be in bed half naked with aseigo again. think of the children :P | 05:07 |
| nixternal | all i need it either the 3 images to replace the current, of the images to replace the Konqi and KDE logos | 05:07 |
| nixternal | i can add them to svn, and the make file will copy them to a dir for me | 05:07 |
| jdong|laptop | imbrandon: hey, crimsun uploaded a new flashplugin | 05:07 |
| jdong|laptop | imbrandon: so we'll just backport that | 05:07 |
| Hobbsee | just test it properly this time, dammit :P | 05:08 |
| kwwii_ | Jucato: how do you think new kde dev's are made? | 05:08 |
| kwwii_ | :p | 05:08 |
| Jucato | lol | 05:08 |
| imbrandon | i'm sure he planed on it ( he is a backporter too ) after its been tested | 05:08 |
| imbrandon | kwwii_: definately not half nekkid, all the way FTW ;) | 05:09 |
| nixternal | Riddell: is there a specific design you are after for these pages? if so, who is going to do them? and is it possible to have them by say....yesterday ? :) | 05:09 |
| kwwii_ | hehe | 05:09 |
| Jucato | jdong|laptop: done marking 8 duplicates. any workaround available until the fix is released (for those who will be asking about it)? | 05:09 |
| Riddell | nixternal: artwork is kwwii_'s department | 05:10 |
| jdong|laptop | Jucato: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree/dapper | 05:10 |
| nixternal | roger that | 05:10 |
| danimo | someone broke the multimedia packages badly | 05:10 |
| kwwii_ | nixternal: we can take a look at it and see what can be doine quickly/easily | 05:10 |
| danimo | mplayer won't start due to a broken library dep, kaffeine and amarok act up sometimes | 05:11 |
| kwwii_ | nixternal: is this stuff directy in the kde help center? | 05:11 |
| nixternal | it is the top image and bottom image in the docs | 05:11 |
| jdong|laptop | danimo: known issue | 05:11 |
| nixternal | yes kwwii_ | 05:11 |
| kwwii_ | ouch | 05:11 |
| imbrandon | danimo: known , being worked on | 05:11 |
| nixternal | look at Release Notes | 05:11 |
| danimo | imbrandon: which of the two? | 05:11 |
| Jucato | jdong|laptop: thanks! I'll spread the word (hopefully to avoid other "hacks"). ETA for the fix? | 05:11 |
| imbrandon | danimo: all of the above | 05:11 |
| danimo | imbrandon: ok, great | 05:11 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 05:11 |
| jdong|laptop | Jucato: as soon as ubuntu-archive does the backport | 05:11 |
| kwwii_ | nixternal: if we are going to touch the help center, then we should do the about pages too :p | 05:11 |
| fdoving | how does guidance-power-manager figure out if a system is a laptop or not? | 05:12 |
| jdong|laptop | fdoving: most likely though hal | 05:12 |
| jdong|laptop | fdoving: lshal | grep formfactor | 05:12 |
| imbrandon | laptopdetect ? | 05:12 |
| nixternal | kwwii_: About, Releasenotes, and Desktop guide | 05:12 |
| Jucato | jdong|laptop: great! thanks | 05:12 |
| fdoving | system.formfactor = 'unknown' (string) | 05:12 |
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| jdong|laptop | fdoving: laptopdetect; echo $? | 05:12 |
| jdong|laptop | actually | 05:13 |
| jdong|laptop | that doesn't work | 05:13 |
| jdong|laptop | hehe | 05:13 |
| fdoving | 0 | 05:13 |
| fdoving | laptop-detect works. | 05:13 |
| kwwii_ | nixternal: now if we only had the files made to make those pics, we could get it done a lot quicker | 05:13 |
| jdong|laptop | fdoving: sudo hal-set-property --udi /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/computer --key system.formfactor --string laptop | 05:13 |
| jdong|laptop | fdoving: that'll force you to own a laptop :P | 05:14 |
| kwwii_ | imbrandon: did you ever find the original files for the about pic (top right)? | 05:14 |
| fdoving | jdong|laptop: ok, but this is a regression in edgy. how is this set and when? it worked like 2 days ago. | 05:14 |
| jdong|laptop | fdoving: just shove that in an init script after hal and call it a day? ;-) | 05:14 |
| jdong|laptop | fdoving: hal | 05:14 |
| jdong|laptop | fdoving: there was a bug report about this | 05:14 |
| nixternal | kwwii_: /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/common/ <- the images are copied from here | 05:14 |
| fdoving | ok. good. | 05:14 |
| jdong|laptop | fdoving: pitti uploaded two patches, the latter one must not work for you then | 05:14 |
| kwwii_ | nixternal: no, I meant the gimp files or whatever that were used to make those pics | 05:15 |
| fdoving | then i won't do anything and expect it to be fixed :) | 05:15 |
| nixternal | ahhh | 05:15 |
| imbrandon | kwwii_: they are on kde svn , umm Riddell gave me the exact location i'll have to check | 05:15 |
| kwwii_ | otherwise, we can pretty much start making a new design | 05:15 |
| fdoving | jdong|laptop: thanks for your time. | 05:15 |
| jdong|laptop | np | 05:15 |
| jdong|laptop | fdoving: bug 59342 | 05:16 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 59342 in hal "hal don't find that I'm on a laptop" [Medium,Fix released] http://launchpad.net/bugs/59342 | 05:16 |
| fdoving | thanks. | 05:16 |
| danimo | oh, and kio only sees half of my / | 05:16 |
| danimo | and I can't really tell whyx | 05:16 |
| danimo | -x | 05:16 |
| fdoving | i'll have to go cook dinner before the girls get home. later. | 05:17 |
| imbrandon | kio ? like konqi ? | 05:17 |
| Riddell | danimo: that's the _Sime_ patches | 05:17 |
| nixternal | brb | 05:17 |
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| nixternal | reboot | 05:17 |
| imbrandon | danimo: check the contents of /.hidden | 05:17 |
| Jucato | hm... | 05:17 |
| Jucato | imbrandon: this is the new system one of the KDE devs blogged about? | 05:18 |
| danimo | imbrandon: wtf? | 05:18 |
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| danimo | imbrandon: who cooked that up? | 05:19 |
| imbrandon | Jucato: yes _Sime_ | 05:19 |
| Riddell | andrunko: looking at the strigi source it sets a version number with SET(CPACK_PACKAGE_VERSION_MAJOR "0") | 05:19 |
| Jucato | aaah | 05:19 |
| imbrandon | danimo: _Sime_ does the coding , me and Tonio_ and Riddell put it in | 05:19 |
| Jucato | imbrandon: lol I didn't associate _Sime_ with the kdeveloper blog :P | 05:19 |
| imbrandon | Jucato: simon edwards == _Sime_ | 05:19 |
| Jucato | aaaaah | 05:20 |
| Riddell | andrunko: and two other lines, but adding those doesn't seem to change the .so to be versioned so I must be missing something | 05:20 |
| Riddell | andrunko: this should be fixed before we upload though, try asking on #cmake | 05:20 |
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| danimo | imbrandon: why did you decide it was a good idea to hide the folders? | 05:20 |
| danimo | imbrandon: it causes problems, e.g. I can't point apollon to the gift installation anymore without using the keyboard | 05:21 |
| imbrandon | danimo: becouse the normal every day joe dosent need to see them, they are still accessable ( and you can turn on show hidden in konqui ) | 05:21 |
| danimo | (and typing the path) | 05:21 |
| danimo | imbrandon: isn't defaulting to $HOME enough? :} | 05:21 |
| imbrandon | not really | 05:21 |
| Jucato | danimo: you can still type the path like /usr/... | 05:22 |
| imbrandon | heh | 05:22 |
| danimo | Jucato: sure, but it's non-obvious | 05:22 |
| Riddell | danimo: see http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2231 it's still all experimental | 05:22 |
| imbrandon | danimo: feel free to edit the /.hidden to your liking also ;) | 05:22 |
| imbrandon | and submit patches/sugestions | 05:22 |
| danimo | imbrandon: well, _I_ can... | 05:22 |
| Jucato | rawr Riddell beat me to the blog link :P | 05:22 |
| imbrandon | danimo: and anyone that needs to get to files not in /home or /media can too, thats the point | 05:23 |
| danimo | hmmm | 05:23 |
| danimo | hmmmm | 05:23 |
| Jucato | more m's coming? :) | 05:24 |
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| Jucato | wb Hawkwind | 05:24 |
| imbrandon | but it is still an experiment, you should read the blogpost ;) | 05:24 |
| danimo | yes | 05:24 |
| danimo | I just did | 05:24 |
| imbrandon | and /KubuntuKDEMedia on the wiki | 05:24 |
| danimo | imbrandon: well, the thing is that I was about to panik and run a fsck on my / partition | 05:25 |
| Jucato | I read that post before I even knew about Edgy and Sime... I was actually surprised to know that we'd be implementin it first :) | 05:25 |
| Jucato | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuKDEMedia | 05:25 |
| Hawkwind | Jucato: Thanks :) | 05:25 |
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| imbrandon | danimo: heh well you are not everyday joe though ;) ( and if you was gonan do that you would have been at the command line where its vissible ) but FYI gnome and osx both do it this way | 05:26 |
| Riddell | gnome doesn't | 05:26 |
| danimo | imbrandon: it's not about me being everyday joe | 05:26 |
| danimo | imbrandon: my concern is this: You argue: Apple does this, and therefore it must be a good thing. You further argument that the normal user doesn't need to know about the unix hirachy | 05:26 |
| Jucato | maybe we need to properly inform people, in a very prominent way, about the "big" changes in Edgy, like the PATA stuff and this. | 05:26 |
| imbrandon | Riddell: gnome honorus the .hidden , open up gnome file chooser | 05:27 |
| danimo | imbrandon: I would agree to that BUT | 05:27 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: but it doesn't have one by defaut | 05:27 |
| imbrandon | Riddell: right | 05:27 |
| danimo | imbrandon: the comparison is a bit problematic. On OS X, the unix personality is almost completely abstract from the applications | 05:27 |
| imbrandon | well ubuntu dosent but its /in/ gnome for the use if wanted | 05:27 |
| danimo | imbrandon: that is: you don't need to know about unix if you want to use OS X | 05:28 |
| imbrandon | danimo: and one of kubuntu's goals is you dont need to know linux to use kubuntu ;) | 05:28 |
| Riddell | danimo: we want the same for KDE :) | 05:28 |
| danimo | imbrandon: on the other hand on linux applications sometimes require everyday joe to access unix dirs | 05:28 |
| Jucato | probably the user doesn't need to initially and immediately know about the Linux FHS. but in the long run, when he's prepared, he'll know where to look | 05:28 |
| imbrandon | danimo: give me a use case? ( non developer ) | 05:28 |
| danimo | imbrandon: so those places need to be fixed, too, and that concerns every 3rd party KDE app kubuntu ships | 05:29 |
| danimo | imbrandon: as I said: apollon | 05:29 |
| Jucato | there are programs run by the regular user that needs access to root directories? | 05:29 |
| danimo | imbrandon: and that's just the first thing I fell over, being a CLI user for many things | 05:29 |
| imbrandon | looks like apollon needs to be fixed not to require non-gui editing | 05:29 |
| danimo | imbrandon: note that I am not argumenting against the idea | 05:29 |
| danimo | imbrandon: right | 05:30 |
| danimo | imbrandon: but hiding directories and not fixing all apps doesn't improve things | 05:30 |
| danimo | imbrandon: you could argue the amount of cases where this is tragic is neglectable | 05:30 |
| danimo | but I'd be careful about it | 05:30 |
| imbrandon | danimo: i havent found any that require that other than the one you just stated | 05:30 |
| imbrandon | right | 05:31 |
| imbrandon | yea i'm not trying to argue either pre se, its good to get it all out in the open to get things "right" | 05:31 |
| imbrandon | but i think alot of what you are seeing is an old time linux user ( like you or me ) and not a newcomer | 05:31 |
| danimo | imbrandon: it needs to be added to the development guidelines | 05:33 |
| danimo | who do I bug to register another mime type by default in kubuntu? | 05:33 |
| imbrandon | danimo: definately , thus this is the testing grounds for that to see /what/ exactly needs to be added | 05:34 |
| danimo | (actually, it should be shipped with kaffeine I guess) | 05:34 |
| Riddell | danimo: which mimetype? | 05:34 |
| danimo | Riddell: Riddell .m2t, MPEG transport stream | 05:34 |
| danimo | Riddell: DVB streams as stored by kaffeine | 05:35 |
| danimo | well, DVB streams in general | 05:35 |
| Riddell | danimo: we've had mimetypes that can be handled by both kaffeine and kmplayer before in which case it should be kdelibs | 05:35 |
| imbrandon | food time, danimo can we chat more about this later , i'm definately interested and plan to spec a few things out for mt view about it ( and useability overall ) | 05:35 |
| Riddell | but I think only kaffeine does DVB so that should be added there | 05:35 |
| danimo | imbrandon: ok | 05:35 |
| Riddell | danimo: can you check if kmplayer can read it? | 05:36 |
| danimo | el: what's your opinion on that | 05:36 |
| imbrandon | danimo: but in short no its not perfect but its a testing ground, hey its /edgy/ hehe | 05:36 |
| danimo | Riddell: nope, mplayer has a broken library dep | 05:36 |
| Riddell | danimo: mplayer or kmplayer? | 05:36 |
| danimo | imbrandon: oh, true :) | 05:36 |
| danimo | Riddell: oh I forgot that kmplayer uses xine | 05:36 |
| danimo | Riddell: but yes, kmplayer supports it, too | 05:37 |
| danimo | because it's a xine feature | 05:37 |
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| Riddell | danimo: so it should be added to kdelibs | 05:39 |
| danimo | yes | 05:39 |
| Riddell | danimo: in which case you know where SVN is for KDE 3.5.5 :) | 05:39 |
| kwwii_ | so who wants add things to k-d-s? (amarok background update, metabar background and css, all new window deco buttons, a new window deco gradient overlay, a new color scheme, a new wallpaper for desktop and ksplash, and some stuff with the window deco that I do not know how to do) | 05:43 |
| kwwii_ | don't everyone scream at once | 05:43 |
| === Jucato watches as tumbleweeds roll by... | ||
| imbrandon | kwwii_: if no one does it by the time i'm done eating i will .... got a mouth full of sushi atm lol ;) | 05:45 |
| Jucato | ooh sushi! | 05:45 |
| Jucato | hm... sushi ang mt.dew? | 05:45 |
| kwwii_ | imbrandon: cool :-) enjoy your lunch | 05:45 |
| kwwii_ | sushi sounds good | 05:45 |
| Jucato | tastes even better :P | 05:45 |
| Jucato | kwwii_: we're going to have another color scheme change? | 05:46 |
| Riddell | kwwii_: I can do it this evening, but if imbrandon (or Tonio_ ) wants to do it first that's great | 05:47 |
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| kwwii_ | Jucato: the main difference is the color of the inactive window titlebar | 05:48 |
| Jucato | kwwii_: ah. i thought it would be another astounding, earth-shattering change :P | 05:48 |
| kwwii_ | pink and green is next week | 05:48 |
| Jucato | lol | 05:48 |
| Jucato | ooh green... | 05:48 |
| kwwii_ | 7 years of green was enough for me, thanks | 05:49 |
| === Jucato thinks all *buntus should be green (because GNOME doesn't like blue, and KDE doesn't like brown, and Xfce doesn't know what it likes...) | ||
| Jucato | kwwii_: SUSE? | 05:49 |
| Jucato | ok maybe not green, but something neutral :P | 05:50 |
| kwwii_ | Jucato: hehe, no...SuSE :p | 05:50 |
| Jucato | lol | 05:50 |
| Jucato | haven't the changed the spelling already? something like OpenSUSE or openSUSE?? oh what the heck. Novell! | 05:51 |
| imbrandon | SuSE green is ugly but i think a darker forest green and some browns would be nice | 05:51 |
| kwwii_ | SuSE is an acronym, so in a way, once can say that "SuSE" meant something once | 05:51 |
| kwwii_ | Novell changed the u to U | 05:52 |
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| Jucato | +1 to imbrandon's idea :) | 05:52 |
| imbrandon | Software- und System-Entwicklung | 05:52 |
| Jucato | ah Software and Systems Engineering | 05:53 |
| kwwii_ | exactly, Die Gesellschaft fr Software und System Entwicklung mit beschrnkter Haftung | 05:53 |
| === Jucato thanks Google | ||
| imbrandon | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SUSE_Linux | 05:53 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 05:53 |
| Jucato | lol, the search result from Google was a bit faster :P | 05:54 |
| Jucato | I'm loving the current edgy artwork... so tempted to transfer them into Dapper :P | 05:54 |
| imbrandon | nooo | 05:55 |
| imbrandon | thats like using oxgyen icons before kde4 .... errr | 05:55 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 05:55 |
| Jucato | lol | 05:55 |
| kwwii_ | lol | 05:56 |
| imbrandon | mmm lemon wasabi | 05:56 |
| === Jucato loves oxygen... | ||
| danimo | that's odd | 05:56 |
| danimo | java is enabled, yet the quicksettings plugin reports it as disabled | 05:57 |
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| danimo | and it doesn't work properly either it seems | 05:57 |
| === danimo investigates | ||
| Jucato | danimo: gcj or sun java? | 05:57 |
| imbrandon | s/sun/imb ;) | 05:57 |
| imbrandon | ibm | 05:58 |
| danimo | Jucato: the working one of course | 05:58 |
| Jucato | heh | 05:58 |
| danimo | and it's sun, not ibm | 05:58 |
| imbrandon | sun no workie on ppc ;) | 05:58 |
| imbrandon | ibm java FTW | 05:58 |
| === danimo doesn't use ppc | ||
| imbrandon | i'm sorry | 05:59 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 05:59 |
| Jucato | hm.. does running Edgy on VMWare affect how mouse scrolling works? | 05:59 |
| danimo | wow, FF 2 finally got a return button behind the location bar | 05:59 |
| Jucato | I think I need to really boot into and update Edgy tomorrow/later... | 05:59 |
| danimo | that's how long after konq had it? :) | 05:59 |
| imbrandon | Jucato: pobbibly | 05:59 |
| imbrandon | hrm | 06:01 |
| imbrandon | brb | 06:01 |
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| Jucato | wb imbrandon | 06:03 |
| kwwii_ | how does one reconfigure sound? | 06:05 |
| Tonio_ | kwwii_: need an upload ? | 06:06 |
| Tonio_ | kwwii_: I can find a few minutes to do this :) | 06:06 |
| kwwii_ | Tonio_: here are the files: http://bootsplash.org/k-d-s-20060918.tar.gz | 06:09 |
| kwwii_ | Tonio_: I might have to tell you what some of them are for | 06:10 |
| Tonio_ | kwwii_: okay :) | 06:10 |
| kwwii_ | Tonio_: and there are settings in the window deco that we need to change | 06:10 |
| Tonio_ | kwwii_: okay I have the files and kds, let me have a look | 06:11 |
| Tonio_ | kwwii_: concerning the folders, I can replace them | 06:12 |
| imbrandon | 06:12 | |
| Tonio_ | kwwii_: what about the other ones ? | 06:12 |
| kwwii_ | Tonio_: yeah, I just put them into the folders so you would havve some idea what it what | 06:12 |
| Tonio_ | kwwii_: kwin-crystal ? | 06:13 |
| kwwii_ | it is in that tar.gz too | 06:13 |
| kwwii_ | the window deco | 06:13 |
| Tonio_ | kwwii_: yes but is that already in kds ? | 06:13 |
| kwwii_ | Tonio_: yes, it is | 06:13 |
| kwwii_ | erm, might be in kde itself, I guess | 06:14 |
| kwwii_ | hehe | 06:14 |
| kwwii_ | oops | 06:14 |
| Tonio_ | yes I can see those files | 06:14 |
| kwwii_ | we need to add the windowDecoOverlay file to k-d-s and set it as defualt for both active and inactive windows | 06:15 |
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| kwwii_ | and we need to change the colors of the outside and inside lines drawn on the titlebar | 06:16 |
| Tonio_ | kwwii_: what about test3b.png | 06:18 |
| Tonio_ | kwwii_: is that new background ? | 06:18 |
| kwwii_ | Tonio_: hehe, yeah, sorry for leaving the stupid naming | 06:18 |
| kwwii_ | and we need to add a scaled version to ksplash as well, I guess | 06:19 |
| kwwii_ | I wanted to ask you about that | 06:19 |
| kwwii_ | it is necessary to scale the pic to 1280x1024? | 06:19 |
| Tonio_ | kwwii_: no need for me here | 06:22 |
| Tonio_ | it is scaled as it is | 06:22 |
| Tonio_ | kwwii_: I don't find the windeco buttons in kds...... | 06:22 |
| Tonio_ | I assume is it somewhere lese | 06:22 |
| Tonio_ | else | 06:22 |
| kwwii_ | Tonio_: they are not in kds, sorry | 06:22 |
| Tonio_ | kwwii_: yep, that's another package....; | 06:22 |
| Tonio_ | kwwii_: okay so first kds, do I include the new background or not ? | 06:23 |
| Tonio_ | what is this one for ? | 06:23 |
| kwwii_ | Tonio_: it is a slight improvement on the blue-purple wallpaper | 06:23 |
| kwwii_ | yes, we should include it | 06:23 |
| Tonio_ | kwwii_: as wallpaper + ksplash background +..... | 06:23 |
| Tonio_ | or just wallpaper ? | 06:23 |
| kwwii_ | and we should put a version of it in ksplash as well | 06:24 |
| kwwii_ | exactly | 06:24 |
| Tonio_ | okay | 06:24 |
| kwwii_ | both | 06:24 |
| Tonio_ | kwwii_: it looks like Riddell's ksplash config doesn't require any background | 06:25 |
| Tonio_ | it uses the kde one | 06:25 |
| kwwii_ | cool, that is how it should be :-) | 06:25 |
| Tonio_ | and kdm-theme is set to use the kde wallpaper too, so I just need to change the wallpaper | 06:25 |
| kwwii_ | but it wasn't like that yet in knot2 | 06:25 |
| Tonio_ | let's go | 06:25 |
| Tonio_ | kwwii_: yes true | 06:25 |
| kwwii_ | cool :-) | 06:25 |
| kwwii_ | Tonio_: did you see the metabar background.png and the stylesheet.css? Oh, and in amarok, the only thing to really change is the background.png | 06:27 |
| Tonio_ | kwwii_: I just copy pasted to replace the folder content | 06:28 |
| Tonio_ | I'm building and testing, but I assume that will be okay :) | 06:29 |
| kwwii_ | cool | 06:29 |
| Tonio_ | kwwii_: next I'll do the kwin theme | 06:29 |
| kwwii_ | Tonio_: cool, there is a bit more to that, I think :-) | 06:30 |
| imbrandon | uuencode hell ;) | 06:30 |
| Tonio_ | kwwii_: ah ? what else ? | 06:31 |
| Tonio_ | kwwii_: need improvement in the package ? cause I may not have time toonight.... tomorrow yes, but not today... | 06:31 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_: he means you will have to uuencode the other stuff ( not k-d-s ) | 06:31 |
| kwwii_ | Tonio_: well, the extra stuff with the window deco (setting the overlay, colors, etc.) | 06:31 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_: when you and kwwii_ get done , i'll work with him and finish what you dont have time for | 06:32 |
| Tonio_ | kwwii_: ah.... the gradient is in kds but the buttons are uuencoded ? | 06:32 |
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| Tonio_ | imbrandon: yes, kds stiff is done | 06:32 |
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| kwwii_ | Tonio_: I guess that is how one would do it, yes | 06:32 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: just the kwin-crystal package to do | 06:33 |
| kwwii_ | Tonio_: as well as teh default settings for color, etc. | 06:33 |
| Tonio_ | kwwii_: okay the gradient is in kds here, I let imbrandon doing the buttons | 06:33 |
| kwwii_ | cool, tag-team-packaging :-) | 06:34 |
| Tonio_ | kwwii_: yeah I included that too, I just missed the kwin-crystal thing | 06:34 |
| imbrandon | heh | 06:34 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: I let you finish that part :) | 06:34 |
| imbrandon | ok so you get everything but the kwin style done ?> | 06:34 |
| imbrandon | kwwii_: wheres the files for that i'll do the kwin style | 06:34 |
| kwwii_ | http://bootsplash.org/k-d-s-20060918.tar.gz | 06:35 |
| kwwii_ | imbrandon: that is everything | 06:35 |
| imbrandon | kwwii_: kk | 06:35 |
| kwwii_ | imbrandon: and on top of adding the buttons, we need to set a gradient as default for the overlay and add colors for the outline and inline of both the active and inactive windows | 06:36 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_: so the only thing i need to do is the kwin style correct ? ( just so we both dont try to do the same thing ) | 06:36 |
| imbrandon | kwwii_: ok grbbing the source now | 06:36 |
| imbrandon | brabbing | 06:36 |
| imbrandon | grr | 06:36 |
| imbrandon | grabbing | 06:36 |
| Tonio_ | kwwii_: uploaded | 06:37 |
| kwwii_ | Tonio_: cool, thanks | 06:38 |
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| bddebian | Howdy | 06:40 |
| imbrandon | heya | 06:40 |
| bddebian | Hi imbrandon | 06:40 |
| imbrandon | Riddell: can i uuencode a whole directory of images and make one patch ? | 06:42 |
| imbrandon | like i have the orig /kubuntu and the new /kubuntu so like "uuencode /kubuntu/*> blah.uu" and the same for the old and make a diff of the uu files ? | 06:43 |
| andrunko | Riddell, dholbach: just updated http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~telepathy/telepathy-qt/ubuntu and telepathy-qt svn to do library versioning. When you get some time, please try it? Ps. Updated version to 0.1.0~svn20060920 | 06:44 |
| dholbach | andrunko: super - will look later on, I made a note | 06:44 |
| andrunko | nice | 06:45 |
| imbrandon | ahh got it, ok one sec kwwii_ | 06:48 |
| kwwii_ | imbrandon: cool | 06:51 |
| imbrandon | kwwii_: ok images updated in kwin style , running a test build to make sure i did the uuencode correct , but i'm sure that will go fine | 06:59 |
| imbrandon | what was the other changes for kwin style ? | 07:00 |
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| imbrandon | Riddell: btw i'm still getting that koffice error on my ppc also , dunno whats up | 07:02 |
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| kwwii_ | imbrandon: we need to set a gradient as overlay, and change colors for the default outline and inline of the active and inactive windows | 07:04 |
| kwwii_ | so one gradient, 4 colors | 07:05 |
| imbrandon | ok do you know what files its in ? | 07:05 |
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| imbrandon | heya toma | 07:07 |
| toma | hey imbrandon | 07:07 |
| imbrandon | seen the pics of the new mail client , quite nice | 07:07 |
| imbrandon | got binarys ? | 07:08 |
| Jucato | *sigh* http://dot.kde.org/1158656080/ | 07:08 |
| toma | imbrandon: neh, i'm not ready for them yet | 07:08 |
| imbrandon | toma: heh ok | 07:08 |
| toma | imbrandon: without setup or composer it's not really ready for an audience | 07:08 |
| kwwii_ | imbrandon: no idea whatsoever | 07:10 |
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| kwwii_ | imbrandon: in kwincrystalrc | 07:20 |
| kwwii_ | .kde/share/config/kwincrystalrc has it all | 07:21 |
| kwwii_ | imbrandon: http://bootsplash.org/kwincrystalrc has the colors...the path to the gradient needs to be adjusted of course | 07:22 |
| imbrandon | ahh ok so its in k-d-s | 07:26 |
| imbrandon | kk | 07:26 |
| imbrandon | kwwii_: 403 forbiden | 07:27 |
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| kwwii_ | imbrandon: shit, one second | 07:52 |
| kwwii_ | sorry, I was talking to my wife | 07:52 |
| imbrandon | np i'm not in a rush | 07:53 |
| kwwii_ | imbrandon: fixed | 07:53 |
| Kuhrscher | Hi, is there something like a "message freeze" for edgy eft? | 07:54 |
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| imbrandon | kwwii_: is that just the changes, becouse thats a WHOLE lot shortere thans whats already there | 08:01 |
| imbrandon | shorter* | 08:01 |
| kwwii_ | imbrandon: hehe...well, that is the file that is in my system after I changed things, no idea | 08:02 |
| imbrandon | kwwii_: here is the current one http://pastebin.ca/177789 | 08:02 |
| imbrandon | look that over make sure no other changes need to be made while i grab a soda | 08:02 |
| imbrandon | ok so i can replace whats there with yours ? e.g. the other stuff isnt needed ? | 08:02 |
| kwwii_ | not sure....I would think not, but just in case, you could leave it there and simply add my values fro FrameColor2 InlineColors and point it to the right overlay gradient | 08:05 |
| danimo | imbrandon: btw: I forgot another reason for upgrading to X.org 7.1: the i810 driver performs better with Xgl | 08:05 |
| imbrandon | danimo: huh? | 08:06 |
| kwwii_ | erm, better take all the stuff from mine, I guess... | 08:06 |
| === imbrandon is a little lost on that one | ||
| danimo | imbrandon: why? | 08:06 |
| danimo | imbrandon: didn't we talk about i810 drivers the other day? | 08:06 |
| imbrandon | danimo: we are using 7.1 afaik | 08:06 |
| imbrandon | i dont think so | 08:06 |
| imbrandon | not you and me atleaste hehe | 08:07 |
| === imbrandon uses i810 driver and 7.1 | ||
| imbrandon | heh | 08:07 |
| imbrandon | kwwii_: ok | 08:07 |
| danimo | imbrandon: Version: 1:7.0.22ubuntu10 | 08:07 |
| danimo | imbrandon: says apt | 08:07 |
| imbrandon | apt lies | 08:07 |
| danimo | imbrandon: how do you know you have 7.1? | 08:08 |
| danimo | hmm, indeed: X.Org version: 7.1.1 | 08:08 |
| danimo | says xdpyinfo | 08:08 |
| imbrandon | brandon@horatio:~$ sudo X -version | 08:08 |
| imbrandon | X Window System Version 7.1.1 | 08:08 |
| imbrandon | Release Date: 12 May 2006 | 08:08 |
| imbrandon | X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 7.1.1 | 08:08 |
| danimo | why is apt lying then? | 08:08 |
| imbrandon | dunno something about the transition, you would have to ask the X gurus in #ubuntu-devel | 08:09 |
| imbrandon | i just know it does heheh | 08:09 |
| imbrandon | grrr | 08:10 |
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| Goliath23 | hi | 08:11 |
| Goliath23 | I have a serious problem here: I have installed the latest k7 kernel image, using the linux-image-k7 meta package. but there doesn't seem to be a matching resticted-modules package for that kernel and I guess thats the root of real problem (nvidia kernel module isnt loaded) only If I manually specify the path to the .ko file and using insmod | 08:11 |
| imbrandon | Goliath23: edgy ? | 08:11 |
| Goliath23 | no, I think I'm on dapper! | 08:11 |
| imbrandon | Goliath23: and this is really the wrong channel for that kinda question ;) | 08:12 |
| imbrandon | hrm | 08:12 |
| imbrandon | install linux-k7 not linux-image-k7 | 08:12 |
| imbrandon | linux-k7 is the correct metapackage | 08:12 |
| Goliath23 | oh, okay. | 08:12 |
| imbrandon | but just fyi #kubuntu is the better place to ask for support ;) | 08:13 |
| Goliath23 | I'll try to fix it using adept. | 08:13 |
| imbrandon | Goliath23: | 08:13 |
| Goliath23 | yes, I asked there a few minutes ago :) | 08:13 |
| imbrandon | Goliath23: type " sudo apt-get install linux-k7 " at the command line | 08:13 |
| imbrandon | Goliath23: none the less that is the correct place | 08:13 |
| Goliath23 | sorry. but if it were a real problem i'd filed a bug report launchpad! :) | 08:13 |
| imbrandon | Goliath23: type " sudo apt-get install linux-k7 " at the command line | 08:13 |
| Goliath23 | thanks! | 08:13 |
| imbrandon | np ;) | 08:14 |
| Goliath23 | yup, but first' i'll clean up my self-generated kernel mess here :) | 08:14 |
| imbrandon | that should do it for you | 08:14 |
| imbrandon | no real need | 08:14 |
| Goliath23 | yup I know. just like to have it clean :() | 08:15 |
| imbrandon | also note there is #ubuntu-kernel too ( we mostly just deal and know about the kde specific stuff in here ) | 08:15 |
| Goliath23 | oh okay, sorry about asking here, you're right of course! | 08:15 |
| imbrandon | no worries | 08:16 |
| imbrandon | just for future ref | 08:16 |
| imbrandon | its kinda slow atm anyhow in here | 08:16 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 08:16 |
| Goliath23 | okay: kubuntu related question, just out of interest: is there a plan for adept to handle required user inputs (license accepting and so on) better in the future? | 08:17 |
| Goliath23 | at the moment it just stops without notice and the user has to find out, that there is a "show details" button | 08:17 |
| imbrandon | Goliath23: yes thats being addressed, cant tell you /when/ it will be out but in short yes | 08:17 |
| Goliath23 | ok :) | 08:17 |
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| imbrandon | Riddell: ping | 08:24 |
| mornfall | yeah... | 08:24 |
| imbrandon | kwwii_: k-d-s uploaded ( kwincrystalrc ) , still working on kwin-style-crystal images | 08:25 |
| imbrandon | heya mornfall | 08:25 |
| mornfall | evening | 08:25 |
| imbrandon | (ignore /me being lazy ) kdebug 132851 | 08:32 |
| imbrandon | (ignore /me being lazy ) kde #132851 | 08:33 |
| Ubugtu | KDE bug 132851 in knetwork "KResolver raises assert KResolverWorkerBase::acquireResolver(): Assertion `th != 0L' failed" [Crash,New] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=132851 | 08:33 |
| kwwii_ | imbrandon: cool, thanks man | 08:34 |
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| imbrandon | np | 08:34 |
| Goliath23 | imbrandon: I still think there is a majow problem here. I have linux-k7 installed. modprobe still fails to find the nvidia module. via insmod I can install it though. linux-k7 depends indirectly on the 2.6.15.27 kernel image ... but the linux-restricted-modules-k7 depends on the 2.6.15.23!! restricted modules package.. isnt there a mismatch that might cause my problem? | 08:37 |
| Goliath23 | major | 08:37 |
| Goliath23 | well, I better ask in ubuntu-kernel! | 08:38 |
| kwwii_ | imbrandon: did you see if Tonio_ already put the overlay gradient in k-d-s? | 08:40 |
| imbrandon | kwwii_: yea he did | 08:41 |
| kwwii_ | khl | 08:41 |
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| imbrandon | heh damn germans ( joking ) | 08:41 |
| kwwii_ | did you know that the german language was made as language to comman troops? | 08:42 |
| kwwii_ | :p | 08:42 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 08:42 |
| Kuhrscher | Riddell: Does it really make sense to check for translation problems using Knob3? | 08:43 |
| kwwii_ | get this: i am babysitting my friends email account. he is on vacation where there is no internet so he calls me every couple of days and asks me if he has mail :-) | 08:44 |
| imbrandon | hahahahahah classic | 08:44 |
| Kuhrscher | Riddell: Almost everything seems to be broken ... | 08:44 |
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| kwwii_ | imbrandon: so what do you think of the gradient and the buttons? | 08:47 |
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| Tonio_ | kwwii_: i did put the overlay gradient | 08:48 |
| kwwii_ | Tonio_: yeah, imbrandon said that too, just wanted to check :-) | 08:49 |
| Tonio_ | kwwii_: hehe | 08:49 |
| kwwii_ | Tonio_: it turns out that the window deco config changes are in k-d-s too | 08:50 |
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| imbrandon | wb mdz | 08:51 |
| imbrandon | kwwii_: i still havent got the uuencode diff to apply correctly so ummm dunno yet ;) | 08:52 |
| Tonio_ | kwwii_: hu ? | 08:52 |
| Tonio_ | isn't that an external package ? | 08:52 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_: yes , the one i did | 08:52 |
| Tonio_ | kwwii_: what are you talking about ? | 08:53 |
| Tonio_ | or you were just confirming it was in.... | 08:53 |
| imbrandon | the kwincrystalrc was in k-d-s | 08:53 |
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| imbrandon | and he was confirming | 08:53 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: ah....... | 08:53 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 08:53 |
| Tonio_ | so you have to uuencode images in that file ? okay I understand | 08:53 |
| Tonio_ | I missed this one sorry | 08:54 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_: no worries i uploaded -43 k-d-s and now trying to get uuencode to behave | 08:54 |
| kwwii_ | Tonio_: don't worry, imbrandon took care of it :-) | 08:54 |
| Tonio_ | great | 08:54 |
| kwwii_ | Tonio_: the file kwincrystalrc is already in k-d-s and that controls the things I wanted to change with the window deco (not the buttons) | 08:55 |
| kwwii_ | even I did not know that until I looked :-) | 08:55 |
| Tonio_ | ahhhhhhhhhh, okay that makes sense now | 08:55 |
| Tonio_ | hehe you didn't tell me what you wanted to change so.... | 08:55 |
| Tonio_ | well imbrandon will do it... I have to finish my server backup...... | 08:55 |
| Tonio_ | I'm getting crazy with this..... | 08:55 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_: see http://pastebin.ca/177822 <--- i'll poke Riddell when he's arround to find out what i'm doing wrong | 08:56 |
| kwwii_ | yeah, to be honest, I never looked at how it does it, only what it does :-) | 08:56 |
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| imbrandon | hehehe | 08:56 |
| kwwii_ | I bet I built the window deco 100+ times | 08:56 |
| imbrandon | i like the ones we have , but i'm sure i'll like the new ones | 08:56 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: I assume it is not a problem with the -p ? | 08:57 |
| kwwii_ | well, everything is glossy now | 08:57 |
| Tonio_ | I must say I don't know, hard to guess in 10 sec.... | 08:57 |
| Tonio_ | sorry but I'm out... will have more time tomorrow and friday | 08:57 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_: it might be -p2 hrm | 08:57 |
| imbrandon | heh later Tonio_ | 08:57 |
| Tonio_ | seya :) | 08:57 |
| kwwii_ | I thought about adding a gradient like the window deco to the panel but I want Jonathan to talk to me still :p | 08:57 |
| imbrandon | kwwii_: we should do the panel like i had mine ;) | 08:58 |
| kwwii_ | imbrandon: that is basically what my new one looks like | 08:58 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 08:58 |
| imbrandon | lets put that in tonight if Riddell says its ok | 08:59 |
| kwwii_ | wanna add that too? we can see what people think, at least | 08:59 |
| imbrandon | sure | 08:59 |
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| imbrandon | kwwii_: woot got it building correct, now installing , gonna restart X and try it , then upload | 09:14 |
| kwwii_ | cool :-) | 09:14 |
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| imbrandon | ohhh WOW | 09:17 |
| imbrandon | kwwii_: you rock | 09:17 |
| === imbrandon uploads | ||
| kwwii_ | ;-) | 09:18 |
| seaLne | before i trash the laptop i need for tommorow is todays live install ok? | 09:20 |
| imbrandon | seaLne: no idea , havent tried todays images | 09:21 |
| seaLne | not chuffed about python breakage today of all days :) | 09:21 |
| seaLne | imbrandon: don't suppose you have time at some point to look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3175 ? | 09:23 |
| imbrandon | seaLne: sure lemme just put one last touch on this kwin package for kwwii_ ( ~5 minutes ) then i'll look | 09:23 |
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| imbrandon | kwwii_: uploaded kwin-style-crystal , should hit everyones edgy boxes in about ~1 to ~1.5 hours ;) | 09:26 |
| imbrandon | and i must say it fskin rocks | 09:27 |
| kwwii_ | imbrandon: killer, thanks a lot man | 09:27 |
| imbrandon | seaLne: looking now | 09:27 |
| seaLne | should the progress bar in usplash ever get beyond about 5%? | 09:27 |
| imbrandon | seaLne: mine gets to about 50% bore kde login shows | 09:28 |
| seaLne | heh | 09:28 |
| kwwii_ | seaLne: that seems to be an issue that lots of people bring up...it stops at different points for different people, depending on the machine speek I guess | 09:28 |
| kwwii_ | speed | 09:28 |
| kwwii_ | parallizing the boot stuff only makes it worse | 09:29 |
| seaLne | i think it might have gone further if it hadn't complained about eth1 (todays live cd) | 09:29 |
| seaLne | yeah | 09:29 |
| imbrandon | seaLne: looks great, need me to uplaod ? | 09:31 |
| seaLne | yes please | 09:32 |
| seaLne | and archive afterwards if you could, thanks | 09:32 |
| imbrandon | sure | 09:32 |
| kwwii_ | imbrandon: http://bootsplash.org/panelbg1d.png | 09:32 |
| kwwii_ | that is the lightest effect I can make without loosing the effect | 09:32 |
| imbrandon | kk kwwii_ gimme just a sec to finish this other upload | 09:32 |
| kwwii_ | imbrandon: no problem, just wanted you to test it and tell me your opinion firt | 09:33 |
| kwwii_ | first | 09:33 |
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| kwwii_ | Riddell: I know you are not big on panel bg's so perhaps you could take a look at that pic as well and tell me if it is too much for you | 09:34 |
| imbrandon | seaLne: uploaded and archived | 09:37 |
| seaLne | cheers | 09:37 |
| seaLne | now all i have is 3 more complex ones to do before next week :( | 09:37 |
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| imbrandon | kwwii_: looks fskin amazing to me ;) | 09:38 |
| imbrandon | ( the pannel bg ) | 09:38 |
| imbrandon | and fyi there is a pannel bg enabled by default from kde, this is just a diffrent one ;) | 09:39 |
| imbrandon | kwwii_: here it is in action on a default install ( with your other new art ) http://federation.imbrandon.com/ss101.png | 09:40 |
| seaLne | imbrandon: how does that look with panel size tiny? | 09:41 |
| kwwii_ | :-) | 09:41 |
| kwwii_ | seaLne: I like it best at that size | 09:42 |
| imbrandon | seaLne: s/101/102 and look | 09:42 |
| imbrandon | it look ok that way too | 09:42 |
| kwwii_ | imbrandon: update your color scheme to get the new color inactive window title | 09:43 |
| imbrandon | umm afaik i have everything updated | 09:43 |
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| seaLne | imbrandon: yeah looks fine to me :) | 09:44 |
| seaLne | i have no idea why people would want to waste so much space on panel :) | 09:44 |
| imbrandon | seaLne: i normaly have 15 or more windows open, so two rows is great ( plus at 1600x1200 tiny is a bit small to see ) | 09:45 |
| seaLne | hmm lang-gnome-en-base installing | 09:48 |
| seaLne | yeah after install progress went to ~50% :) | 09:52 |
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| seaLne | todays live i386 installs fine | 09:56 |
| kwwii_ | hehe | 10:03 |
| kwwii_ | he who fixes me sound gets a beer | 10:03 |
| kwwii_ | it's been awefull quite in my office for weeks | 10:04 |
| fdoving | what's wrong with it? | 10:05 |
| kwwii_ | fdoving: my sound? i am running ppc and it simply does not work at all since i installed edgy | 10:05 |
| kwwii_ | I have an eMac - apparently, if things break on ppc, it happens on this machine | 10:06 |
| fdoving | hmm.. | 10:07 |
| fdoving | i have sound working on my ibook. | 10:07 |
| fdoving | what module do you try to use? | 10:07 |
| kwwii_ | how does one reconfigure sound? | 10:07 |
| kwwii_ | perhaps things are better and I simply need to reconfigure it | 10:07 |
| kwwii_ | snd 69940 5 snd_aoa_i2sbus,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer | 10:08 |
| seaLne | have you turned everything up in alsamixer? | 10:08 |
| fdoving | don't know if there is such a feature. | 10:08 |
| kwwii_ | it does not even find the device, I think | 10:08 |
| crimsun | what's the issue? | 10:08 |
| kwwii_ | crimsun: sound on ppc edgy | 10:09 |
| crimsun | no, your issue. | 10:09 |
| kwwii_ | ? | 10:09 |
| fdoving | kwwii_: crimsun is -the- soundman. | 10:10 |
| kwwii_ | hehe, then I am lucky | 10:10 |
| kwwii_ | well, if I open a mixer, for instance, it does not even find a device | 10:10 |
| kwwii_ | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device | 10:10 |
| kwwii_ | etc. | 10:11 |
| crimsun | what're the contents of /proc/asound/cards? | 10:11 |
| crimsun | (no soundcards?) | 10:11 |
| kwwii_ | --- no soundcards --- | 10:11 |
| crimsun | pastebin your lspci -nv | 10:11 |
| crimsun | and your dmesg | 10:11 |
| kwwii_ | http://pastebin.ca/177879 | 10:12 |
| kwwii_ | http://pastebin.ca/177885 | 10:13 |
| dholbach | Riddell: did you have a chance to have another look at telepathy-qt? | 10:14 |
| crimsun | kwwii_: your kernel is olde | 10:15 |
| crimsun | -e | 10:15 |
| crimsun | please use -8- first | 10:15 |
| seaLne | ye olde kernel :) | 10:15 |
| dholbach | Riddell, andrunko: for me it's good enough to go | 10:17 |
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| kwwii_ | crimsun: erm, how does one update the kernel in ubuntu? I thought the normal updates would do it | 10:20 |
| dholbach | (I'm happy if anybody else reviews it too) | 10:22 |
| jdong | crimsun: why does flashplugin conflict xfs (< 1:1.0.1-5)? | 10:22 |
| crimsun | jdong: because the older font server had some extremely screwy issues. | 10:23 |
| jdong | crimsun: hmm, that includes Dapper? | 10:23 |
| jdong | crimsun: right now dist-upgrading flashplugin also forces xfs off | 10:24 |
| crimsun | that's correct. | 10:24 |
| jdong | crimsun: so does something bad happen if xfs and flashplugin were both installed? | 10:24 |
| crimsun | yes, stuff isn't displayed | 10:24 |
| jdong | crimsun: ok, thanks for the clear-up... | 10:25 |
| crimsun | nevermind the fact that to use Flash you have to either disable composite or pass an env to firefox | 10:25 |
| crimsun | kwwii_: they should, do you not have an updated option for -8-? | 10:25 |
| Kuhrscher | Hi, is somebody working on the broken translations in edgy? | 10:26 |
| kwwii_ | crimsun: I update every day...everything, would I have to select that myelf somehow? | 10:27 |
| fdoving | kwwii_: do you use yaboot? is it updated automatically with the new kernels? do you use the symlinks for yaboot.conf? | 10:28 |
| crimsun | no, you shouldn't have to. What do you have from ``apt-cache search linux image 2.6.17-8''? | 10:29 |
| fdoving | gnite. | 10:30 |
| kwwii_ | fdoving: yes I use yaboot...erm symlinks? | 10:30 |
| kwwii_ | hehe g'night | 10:30 |
| kwwii_ | linux-image-2.6.17-8-powerpc - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.17 on 32-bit PowerPC | 10:31 |
| kwwii_ | and a lot of other similar lines | 10:31 |
| kwwii_ | my yaboot.conf is out-of-the-box | 10:31 |
| fdoving | kwwii_: symlinks in /boot,like /boot/vmlinux and /boot/initrd.img | 10:32 |
| kwwii_ | initrd.img -> initrd.img-2.6.17-8-powerpc | 10:32 |
| kwwii_ | System.map-2.6.17-8-powerpc | 10:32 |
| kwwii_ | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 24 2006-09-20 18:33 vmlinux -> vmlinux-2.6.17-8-powerpc | 10:32 |
| fdoving | out of the box yaboot.conf will probably use the symlinks, the question is, are the symlinks updated to the new versions? | 10:32 |
| fdoving | correct. | 10:32 |
| kwwii_ | yepp, they are there | 10:32 |
| fdoving | try executing 'ybin -v' | 10:33 |
| fdoving | (with sudo or root access) | 10:33 |
| fdoving | I have to go now. you'll figure it out :) | 10:33 |
| kwwii_ | :-) | 10:34 |
| kwwii_ | thanks for your help | 10:34 |
| kwwii_ | http://pastebin.ca/177907 | 10:34 |
| kwwii_ | perhaps I simply need to reboot | 10:36 |
| kwwii_ | ? | 10:36 |
| kwwii_ | now that would be funny | 10:36 |
| kwwii_ | it has been a couple of days | 10:36 |
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| kwwii_ | crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/177917 is my latest dmesg | 10:43 |
| crimsun | kwwii_: can't look now, busy. Ping me tonight (~6hrs) | 10:43 |
| kwwii_ | crimsun: well, that is 4am my time....perhaps some other time | 10:45 |
| kwwii_ | I appreciate the help and understand your schedule, but my wife would kill me :-) | 10:46 |
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| ryanakca | I got "dpkg --get-selections" catted into a file. it's called "dpkgselections". now, how do I use this file with "dpkg --set-selections"? | 10:49 |
| ryanakca | oops, wrong channel | 10:51 |
| jdong | ryanakca: you just love answering your own questions, don't you ;) | 10:51 |
| ryanakca | jdong: *curses himself for asking impossible questions* | 10:54 |
| jdong | ryanakca: how is that an impossible question? | 10:55 |
| jdong | ryanakca: have you found your answer yet? | 10:55 |
| === ryanakca waits for his mom to give him back his external hard-drive with his .kde | ||
| ryanakca | nope | 10:55 |
| jdong | ryanakca: dpkg --set-selections < slectionfile | 10:55 |
| jdong | ryanakca: sudo apt-get dselect-upgrade | 10:55 |
| kwwii_ | imbrandon: ping? | 10:55 |
| === ryanakca is just guessing that it's impossible because you told me the same thing when I did have a question nobody could answer | ||
| jdong | ryanakca: your hibernate works fine, the computer shuts off, that's good enough | 10:56 |
| ryanakca | jdong: since when does my hibernate work fine? I have to pull the plug on it after about 5 minutes of it not doing anything and staying stuck and a X screen that looks as if it's been put threw a paper shredder :) | 10:57 |
| === ryanakca goes back to messing with his system, and thanks :) | ||
| kwwii_ | imbrandon: we should increase the default size of the window decoration by 2 pixels | 10:58 |
| kwwii_ | ryanakca: trust me, you are not the only one | 10:58 |
| jdong | ryanakca: isn't that what hibernate was supposed to do? | 10:59 |
| === jdong ducks | ||
| kwwii_ | ryanakca: don't worry, my sound doesnt't work | 11:00 |
| ryanakca | jdong: lol | 11:00 |
| ryanakca | kwwii_: I had that problem too... turns out the dist-upgrades kept on removing me from the "audio" group... | 11:01 |
| ryanakca | They finally got it fixed though.. | 11:01 |
| kwwii_ | ryanakca: well, my problem is more a kernel thing it appears | 11:01 |
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| ryanakca | kwwii_: aah... kernel :) | 11:02 |
| === ryanakca remembers trying to get Wacom to work on debian a couple of years ago.. | ||
| ryanakca | First time I had used linux... | 11:02 |
| kwwii_ | I am *the* reason that wacom worked on suse | 11:03 |
| ryanakca | and there I was recompiling the kernel.... | 11:03 |
| ryanakca | lol :D | 11:03 |
| nixternal | krdp so rocks with ssh | 11:03 |
| kwwii_ | every releae I brought all of my tablets to the X guy and said "they don't work" | 11:03 |
| === ryanakca can't imagine recompiling the kernel everytime... | ||
| ryanakca | lol | 11:04 |
| ryanakca | hmm... why are the window decorations still that flashy purple instead of blueish purple... | 11:04 |
| === ryanakca just ran a fresh install... | ||
| kwwii_ | ryanakca: they are blue-ishh purple | 11:05 |
| kwwii_ | just darker | 11:05 |
| kwwii_ | and shiny | 11:05 |
| kwwii_ | with new buttons | 11:05 |
| ryanakca | ah | 11:05 |
| kwwii_ | and if I could get imbrandon to notice my existence perhaps we would have a new panel bg too | 11:06 |
| ryanakca | hmm... Viper550 (I think) had some nice nice gradients for the wind decorations... | 11:06 |
| kwwii_ | I think he is taking a nap | 11:06 |
| kwwii_ | or hiding | 11:06 |
| ryanakca | imbrandon: how do you set up a build farm thingy | 11:06 |
| kwwii_ | ryanakca: he had some ideas for the panel | 11:07 |
| ryanakca | oooh | 11:07 |
| kwwii_ | the one I have is along the same lines, but much more subtle | 11:07 |
| ryanakca | Why don't we set the panel to "locked"? having those polkadotted bars show up all over the place is a pain and I find in... unattractive... imho | 11:08 |
| kwwii_ | http://bootsplash.org/panelbg1d.png | 11:08 |
| ryanakca | oooh... looks nice :) | 11:09 |
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| kwwii_ | ryanakca: yeah, I think they look ugly too | 11:09 |
| ryanakca | like if it was just the itsy bitsy black arrow that popped up, I wouldn't mind... | 11:09 |
| ryanakca | I like it... it gives the panel a cylindrical look | 11:11 |
| kwwii_ | I hoped it would match the new window deco stuff | 11:12 |
| ryanakca | what... you've changed your mind again? | 11:13 |
| === ryanakca rolls his eyes :D | ||
| kwwii_ | Riddell: you still haven't given your opinion | 11:13 |
| === ryanakca thinks the windecs should be a greyish blue... | ||
| kwwii_ | hehe | 11:14 |
| === kwwii_ likes purple | ||
| === ryanakca does too... the old one | ||
| ryanakca | then who's idea was it to change it all to greyish blue? | 11:14 |
| andrunko | dholbach: nice, tnk you. let me know if you have any issue :) | 11:15 |
| dholbach | andrunko: looks good enough to me | 11:15 |
| andrunko | nice | 11:15 |
| dholbach | andrunko: just waiting for somebody from the kubuntu end to say "alrighty" | 11:15 |
| kwwii_ | ryanakca: it si not all greyish blue...the active window is quite purple stil | 11:15 |
| andrunko | dholbach: ok | 11:15 |
| kwwii_ | l | 11:15 |
| dholbach | andrunko: you rock! | 11:15 |
| dholbach | andrunko: I added you to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Telepathy/Modules | 11:15 |
| andrunko | dholbach: :), you the guy | 11:16 |
| ryanakca | kwwii_: I know... the windecs should be either gb... or purple with a purple background... and why are the inactive ones straight grey? | 11:16 |
| kwwii_ | hi dholbach, hope things are good on your end | 11:16 |
| kwwii_ | ryanakca: they are not anymore | 11:16 |
| kwwii_ | ryanakca: the inactive ones are now a blueish color | 11:17 |
| dholbach | kwwii_: heya - yeah, I'm quite busy, but I'm ok... I'm at el's office atm | 11:17 |
| dholbach | kwwii_: how are you? | 11:17 |
| kwwii_ | let me post a screenshot | 11:17 |
| kwwii_ | dholbach: busy too | 11:17 |
| kwwii_ | dholbach: the closer we get, the busier I am :-) | 11:17 |
| el | dholbach stole sweets from our snack baer | 11:18 |
| el | and didn't give me anything | 11:18 |
| kwwii_ | haha | 11:18 |
| dholbach | el: that's UNTRUE! | 11:18 |
| el | liar | 11:18 |
| dholbach | el: now you won't get any sweets at all! | 11:18 |
| dholbach | muhuhuhahahahahahahaha | 11:18 |
| el | pfffft - i live healthy | 11:18 |
| el | i don't want sweets | 11:18 |
| dholbach | healthy .... | 11:19 |
| dholbach | . o O { boooooring } | 11:19 |
| kwwii_ | ryanakca: http://bootsplash.org/snapshot6.png | 11:19 |
| el | (now i don't know what to say any more...) | 11:19 |
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| dholbach | el: I'm sorry - what about having ice cream on the way home? ;) | 11:19 |
| el | aeh - it won't be open then! | 11:19 |
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| seaLne | even more healthy | 11:21 |
| kwwii_ | el: do you keep up with the kubuntu artwork stuff? I would like to know your opinion on the newest stuff | 11:22 |
| el | kwwii_, no - sorry. but holehan is usually having a look at the latest artwork | 11:23 |
| kwwii_ | el: cool | 11:23 |
| el | kwwii_, has the icon testing made progress with him? | 11:23 |
| el | kwwii_, i think holehan is still in #openusability | 11:24 |
| kwwii_ | el: the biggest problem is that we (the oxygen team) have no idea exactly what to test | 11:24 |
| kwwii_ | or how to test it | 11:24 |
| el | kwwii_, hmm - let's sit together in dublin and think about that | 11:24 |
| === seaLne wonders who else is going to akademy? | ||
| kwwii_ | el: definitely. david will be there as well, so we can figure something out | 11:25 |
| kwwii_ | it looks like nuno will not be able to make it because he just took a new job | 11:25 |
| el | kwwii_, yes. did you see the icon naming bof? is that (time/date/etc) all right for you? | 11:25 |
| el | kwwii_, but he'll continue to work on oxygen, no? | 11:26 |
| kwwii_ | el: to be honest, the bofs (and working with david) are all I really plan to do...although I must admit I am lazy about keeping a calender | 11:27 |
| kwwii_ | I thought about that today | 11:27 |
| kwwii_ | making a plan of what I want to do | 11:27 |
| el | hehe | 11:27 |
| kwwii_ | sounds like a reason to earn enough money to hire someone to do it for me | 11:28 |
| kwwii_ | when is that bof? | 11:28 |
| el | kwwii_, we did: http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=HCI+%40+akademy | 11:28 |
| kwwii_ | or, better, is there a schedule? | 11:28 |
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| el | kwwii_, did you see it? wed, 1700-1800 | 11:29 |
| kwwii_ | yepp | 11:29 |
| kwwii_ | thanks for that | 11:29 |
| kwwii_ | we really need one schedule for everything though | 11:29 |
| el | kwwii_, this tiki wiki is sh*t.... | 11:30 |
| kwwii_ | well, I will put this in my plan on my laptop (it would be nice to do it on one computer and transfer it to another, but I am not that advanced) | 11:31 |
| kwwii_ | normally my schedule is a text file | 11:31 |
| kwwii_ | :p | 11:32 |
| el | :) | 11:32 |
| el | you can export ical events | 11:32 |
| kwwii_ | I am really bad at this stuff, and probably miss out on a lot of things because of it | 11:32 |
| kwwii_ | yeah, on my mac it is simple | 11:32 |
| el | hah, and you are having a mac!! | 11:32 |
| kwwii_ | kontact scares me though | 11:32 |
| kwwii_ | but I try not to use osx anymore | 11:32 |
| el | ah - ok, that's an excuse ;-) | 11:32 |
| kwwii_ | oh, if I had osx I could do it without a problem | 11:33 |
| el | yes, kontact is really difficult.... | 11:33 |
| el | at least the calendar | 11:33 |
| kwwii_ | but since my wlan works I promised myself only to use osx when I need to do some print thing on adoble | 11:33 |
| kwwii_ | I tried to import a calender but it did not work | 11:34 |
| kwwii_ | at least, I did not figure it out | 11:34 |
| el | kwwii_, hehe - soon you'll have some experts around you who can help | 11:34 |
| kwwii_ | el: I was just thinking that...I really look forward to akademy this year. I will definitely have an impact on how I work | 11:35 |
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| kwwii_ | and the work I am doing now, hopefully | 11:35 |
| kwwii_ | I really like the kubuntu artwork stuff for edgy so far | 11:36 |
| kwwii_ | I hope to get other opinions as well | 11:36 |
| kwwii_ | although asking developers is not always the right answer | 11:36 |
| sebas | calendars are for people that aren't arrogant enough to just forget dates | 11:36 |
| kwwii_ | :p | 11:36 |
| el | yes, i'm also much looking forward to akademy. all september i did nothing except kde stuff (ok, and a few organisation things):) | 11:36 |
| kwwii_ | sebas: screw you | 11:36 |
| el | hah, sebas ! | 11:37 |
| sebas | kwwii_: Remind me to remind you to give me a beer :> | 11:37 |
| sebas | hah el!~ | 11:37 |
| kwwii_ | sebas: as I remember it, I owe you one or two | 11:37 |
| el | yaaam.... bear..... | 11:37 |
| el | beer | 11:37 |
| el | ups | 11:37 |
| sebas | I'm considering bringing port for Tom, but I'm unsure if the airport personnel accepts that. | 11:37 |
| kwwii_ | hehe | 11:38 |
| kwwii_ | no more liquids | 11:38 |
| sebas | Worst case: I've to drink it at the customs. | 11:38 |
| kwwii_ | so much for my big pepsi-light cup | 11:38 |
| sebas | Not *that* bad actually ... :> | 11:38 |
| kwwii_ | :p | 11:38 |
| sebas | Ireland is not UK, it *might* be OK. | 11:38 |
| kwwii_ | but you'll arrive with a headache | 11:38 |
| sebas | No, I'll arrive pretty drunk, it's only a one-hour-flight, no time to get a headache. | 11:39 |
| kwwii_ | lol | 11:39 |
| sebas | And I always have my personal adesistant | 11:39 |
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| sebas | Ouch :/ | 11:39 |
| sebas | That's am, right? | 11:40 |
| kwwii_ | guess I will go straight to the nokia pizza | 11:40 |
| kwwii_ | no, no....pm | 11:40 |
| sebas | On saturday? | 11:40 |
| kwwii_ | I get in at 5:20 on Sat | 11:40 |
| sebas | You americans should learn about 24hour days, not 12hourhalfdays. | 11:40 |
| sebas | That's late. | 11:40 |
| kwwii_ | yepp | 11:40 |
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| sebas | I'll miss you. | 11:41 |
| kwwii_ | but the eV meeting is on Sun, or? | 11:41 |
| sebas | monday | 11:41 |
| seaLne | mon | 11:41 |
| kwwii_ | whew | 11:41 |
| kwwii_ | so I am cool | 11:41 |
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| kwwii_ | Riddell: we put a really glossy panel bg in place, since you were not here | 11:41 |
| sebas | Heh, showme!!11111111 | 11:42 |
| Riddell | kwwii_, imbrandon, dholbach, andrunko: you pinged? | 11:42 |
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| andrunko | Riddell: pong | 11:42 |
| Riddell | kwwii_: just testing it out now, not bad as they go | 11:42 |
| ryanakca | kwwii_: back... lol I just noticed that the screen was scrolling, and the bar on the scroll bar was going up... | 11:42 |
| kwwii_ | well, iif imbrandon would wake up from his nap and include the new panel bg we would all be happy | 11:42 |
| dholbach | Riddell: pinged about telepathy-qt - looks good to me, would like some kubnutu hacker to look at it too, so we don't miss anything - that's all | 11:42 |
| Riddell | andrunko: where's that source again? | 11:43 |
| ryanakca | kwwii_: it looks nice | 11:43 |
| ryanakca | kwwii_: can't wait | 11:43 |
| andrunko | Riddell: svn export https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/tapioca-voip/trunk/telepathy-qt | 11:43 |
| seaLne | will pbuilder work offline if it has the packages in its cache? | 11:44 |
| dholbach | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~telepathy/telepathy-qt/ubuntu is the packaging | 11:44 |
| dholbach | seaLne: yes | 11:44 |
| seaLne | k | 11:44 |
| Riddell | kwwii_: any other artwork outstanding? | 11:46 |
| kwwii_ | Riddell: well, the panel bg is still oustanding...wanted your opinion on that | 11:47 |
| Riddell | kwwii_: lets do it | 11:47 |
| Riddell | kwwii_: did the window decorations go up? | 11:47 |
| kwwii_ | Riddell: yepp, and people seem to like it | 11:48 |
| kwwii_ | the panel bg is something that we kinda waited for, the rest should be done | 11:49 |
| kwwii_ | amarok, metabar, etc. | 11:49 |
| nixternal | you did the new deco's kwwii? | 11:50 |
| nixternal | hmm... | 11:50 |
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| nixternal | can i be frank about it? | 11:51 |
| Riddell | nixternal: of course | 11:52 |
| nixternal | dude, it looks HOT! Kubuntu looks refreshed with it. I like it, good job!!! | 11:52 |
| nixternal | damn Riddell, i wanted kwwii to answer...was trying to make him sweat ;) | 11:52 |
| nixternal | had my finger on the "enter" trigger | 11:52 |
| Riddell | nixternal: oh no, now you'll make kwwii_ all big headed | 11:52 |
| nixternal | haha | 11:52 |
| nixternal | i love this new color totally! | 11:53 |
| kwwii_ | ehe | 11:53 |
| nixternal | this shade of purple could replace "blue" as my favorite color ;) | 11:53 |
| kwwii_ | the funky thing is this: the color is really blue but it looks purple | 11:53 |
| nixternal | oh well..then i will stick with blue ;) | 11:53 |
| kwwii_ | ? | 11:54 |
| nixternal | as my favorite color ;) | 11:54 |
| kwwii_ | hehe | 11:54 |
| nixternal | i like it though. | 11:54 |
| andrunko | Riddell: i got go, leave me a msg if you find any problem with the packaging | 11:55 |
| nixternal | i think we need the colors in the docs as well ;) | 11:55 |
| kwwii_ | what about panel bg? | 11:55 |
| andrunko | laters | 11:55 |
| seaLne | out of interest is anyone here thats going to akademy wanting to buy a kubuntu tshirt? | 11:55 |
| nixternal | kwwii_: kicker panel? | 11:55 |
| kwwii_ | nixternal: yepp | 11:55 |
| kwwii_ | it needs to be added still, I think | 11:55 |
| nixternal | ya, because mine still looks like the old one | 11:55 |
| kwwii_ | we can wait to add it to the next update of k-d-s | 11:55 |
| nixternal | gloss panel kubuntu? | 11:56 |
| nixternal | it didn't get named default | 11:56 |
| kwwii_ | nixternal: add http://bootsplash.org/panelbg1d.png | 11:56 |
| andrunko | Riddell: dholbach told that you can upload it if you are fine with it, and if not, mail him that he will do it tomorrow | 11:56 |
| Riddell | andrunko: cool, just looking at it now | 11:57 |
| nixternal | /usr/share/apps/kicker/wallpapers/glosspanel_kubuntu.jpg | 11:57 |
| nixternal | thats not it right? | 11:57 |
| andrunko | Riddell: nice :) | 11:57 |
| kwwii_ | nixternal: point the dialog to the new file from my server | 11:57 |
| nixternal | gotcha | 11:57 |
| dholbach | night fellas | 11:58 |
| kwwii_ | night dholbach | 11:58 |
| nixternal | i like it kwwii_, and added the "theme color" to it | 11:59 |
| kwwii_ | nixternal: I tried adding that as well for a while, but I think that at first it is better without it | 11:59 |
| kwwii_ | for most people | 11:59 |
| nixternal | i selected it to apply the theme color...i like the shade it gives it | 12:00 |
| kwwii_ | I wish it was a bit darker | 12:01 |
| kwwii_ | but I like it as well | 12:01 |
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| nixternal | it really looks good..this is the first funky kicker i have ever had | 12:01 |
| nixternal | if i ever tricked out kicker, all i would do is make it transparent | 12:02 |
| kwwii_ | that says a lot, actually | 12:02 |
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| nixternal | hrmm | 12:03 |
| nixternal | i forgot i added a hotkey for that | 12:03 |
| Riddell | andrunko: around? | 12:04 |
| kwwii_ | we'll see how well the new colors, overlays and buttons come across | 12:04 |
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| nixternal | hey kwwii_, did you get a chance to play with the doc images at all? | 12:06 |
| kwwii_ | nixternal: yeah, but I did not have much licuk | 12:07 |
| kwwii_ | luck | 12:07 |
| nixternal | ok..i thought licuk was something new that i have yet to learn ;) | 12:07 |
| kwwii_ | simply changing the colors doesn''t really work | 12:08 |
| Riddell | kwwii_: should I package this panel background? | 12:08 |
| kwwii_ | we need to design a whole new interface | 12:08 |
| nixternal | tomorrow is the doc freeze...is it possible to get those included after the freeze? anyone know? | 12:08 |
| kwwii_ | Riddell: yes, please | 12:09 |
| Riddell | nixternal: doc freeze is for strings not images | 12:09 |
| nixternal | cool Riddell | 12:09 |
| nixternal | so if i add them at a later date we will be fine | 12:09 |
| Riddell | nixternal: I should package the docs as well then right? | 12:09 |
| nixternal | you can look at them if you get a chance...there might be just a little bit more editing..i can't speak 100% for about or kdg..but the release notes i have been working on getting them ready | 12:10 |
| nixternal | release notes are probably at 99% right now | 12:10 |
| nixternal | and kdg and about might be at or around 75%...but i will fix that all tonight | 12:10 |
| Riddell | nixternal: woo :) | 12:11 |
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