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[03:12] Hello Jucato === Hawkwind_Lappy [n=SoS@cpe-72-181-114-83.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #Kubuntu-Devel [03:15] can anyone give me a logical explanation why data=journal is faster than data=writeback OR data=ordered? [03:15] (ext3 of course) === nixternal needs artwork to replace the default KDE artwork in the headers of the Kubuntu documentation [03:16] ooh... nice :P [03:16] nixternal: was the hwdb for Kubuntu included already in Knot 3? [03:17] Jucato: yes [03:17] where is it? [03:17] Jucato: in the K menu :D [03:17] (how can you tell I'm not running KDE at the moment?) [03:18] ah Kubuntu Device Database [03:19] jdong: data=journal only commits metadata to the journal. data=ordered commits to the fs before committing metadata to the journal. data=writeback _can_ commit to fs after committing metadata to the journal, but that's not necessarily the case with CFQ and your usage patterns. [03:20] crimsun: I thought data=journal does full data journaling in addition to metadata? [03:20] yes [03:20] which means it should be the heaviest journaling mode of the 3 [03:20] no [03:20] no? [03:20] no. It is potentially the slowest but not necessarily. [03:21] Remember that these algorithms were designed before CFQ was updated. [03:21] I see [03:21] I am noticing that data=journal is dramatically faster than default data=ordered [03:21] especially with simultaneous disk access [03:22] i.e. launching OOo while compressing two kernel tarballs [03:22] yes, there are noticeable differences depending on elevator algorithm and usage patterns [03:22] you've just experienced firsthand why benchmarks are misleading. [03:22] how fascinating... [03:23] I've always been told that data=journal is the safest but slowest mode.... guess not [03:23] crimsun: so ordered is not necessarily ordered anymore, with the new elevators? [03:24] aha! k3b finally made it to backports! [03:24] no, it is still ordered, but the interaction may be different. [03:24] Jucato: yes, soyuz is fixed :) [03:24] it's a miracle!!! :) [03:24] which means I'll be doing a bit of backports processing tomorrow morning :) [03:24] bright and early [03:24] Kopete and Konversation still aren't there though [03:25] Jucato: those have to be re-done [03:25] I think [03:25] ah [03:25] or ubuntu-archive needs to do some NEW queue cleaning on dapper-backports :) [03:25] ok.. sorry to have interrupted your conversation with crimsun :) [03:25] Jucato: it's fine [03:25] we were basically finished [03:25] besides, what's IRC without the ADD? [03:26] heh === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm61.omega22.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === yuriy [n=yuriy@dhcp-129-64-153-13.dorm.brandeis.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:40] crimsun: you still around? [03:40] somewhat === Jucato sees crimsun slowly fading... [03:41] crimsun: can the Acer laptop alsa fix be backported to dapper, too? [03:41] which Acer fix? [03:41] keep in mind all patches I send are targetted to Dapper. Ben tweaks them for Edgy. [03:41] for the Acer Aspire 567x series, intel-hda, no sound with realtek 883 codec [03:42] chances are if you don't already see them in dapper-{security,updates}, it's because they're in dapper-proposed. === jdong checks kernel.org/git [03:44] crimsun: it's in ubuntu-dapper-updates.git, not ubuntu-dapper.git though... what's the difference between the two branches? [03:47] proposed updates for testing vs. what hits security/updates [03:47] after a period, stuff from the former trickles into the latter [03:47] think Debian unstable->testing, for instance [03:47] (the testing & verification stages) [03:48] crimsun: ah, ok, gotcha [03:48] part of the new QA process, I guess === yuriy_ [n=yuriy@dhcp-129-64-153-13.dorm.brandeis.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:49] yes [03:49] k, that just about takes care of my kernel concerns for tonight :) [03:50] oh yeah, I filed bug 61342 from a discussion I had earlier today in #ubuntu-devel... I don't think we have all the mentioned changesets [03:50] Malone bug 61342 in linux-source-2.6.17 "Backport Intel 965 Express chipset support from 2.6.18" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/61342 [03:50] but then again, I really suck at searching the git trees :) === yuriy [n=yuriy@dhcp-129-64-153-13.dorm.brandeis.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === yuriy [n=yuriy@dhcp-129-64-153-13.dorm.brandeis.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["wth] === claydoh [n=clay@216-220-236-216.midmaine.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:39] Riddell: no iso for ppc now? === Huahua [n=hua_@122.0.228.14] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio___ [n=tonio@16.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying-g4_ [n=freeflyi@221.221.160.156] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying-g4 [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio___ [n=tonio@124.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lathiat [n=lathiat@ubuntu/member/pdpc.basic.lathiat] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:58] Hobbsee: quick question, Kst has a new upstream release, v1.3.0. Debian and Ubuntu currently have 1.2.1 in unstable and edgy. should I just do a normal package, or should I poke the Debian Devs about the new update? [05:58] nixternal: boo. [05:59] nixternal: er, do either [05:59] depends who the debian dev is, and how active they are [05:59] !info kst edgy [05:59] kst: A KDE application used for displaying scientific data. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2.1-2ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 3 kB, installed size 36 kB [05:59] i will do the easiest, just package it..if i can't package it, then i do some poking ;) [05:59] oh, i'ts universe anyway [05:59] so that means go ahead and package away? [06:04] i was thinking of if you'd have to get an exception for it [06:06] funny thing is...you can't even find a mirror with it yet === jdong randomly climbs out of bed at 12:07, types this into #kubuntu-devel, then goes back to sleep.... [06:08] haha === nixternal wonders if jdong has "beep" [06:08] jdong [06:08] hey jdong [06:08] ;) [06:08] DAMN YOU :) [06:08] haha === jdong hits mute button [06:08] jdong [06:08] OH YEAH, THAT DOESNT WORK YET [06:08] lazy developers :P [06:09] at least he's not like Hawkwind who stumbles out of bed when he gets up :P [06:09] the worst is my backscroll for "alsa" or "sound" === Tonio___ [n=tonio@62.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:10] s alsa sounds like a great idea right now... let me go grab some chipsets.... [06:11] anyone seen my kernels of corn? === jdong probes for more crimsun buzzwords === crimsun decides to send a git commit to revert the Realtek ALC883 fixes. [06:12] lol [06:12] lala, no one uses that codec anyhow. [06:12] crimsun: you will feel a deep burning pain down in your launchpad area :) [06:12] where the sun don't shine [06:12] it's pretty straightforward to leave those groups... [06:13] now, I should be getting back to sleep [06:13] good night all [06:18] ack, forget sleep... time to make some new firefox nightly binaries [06:18] g'nite (beep beep) jdong (beep) [06:18] too late :) [06:18] ;) [06:19] and I properly muted my sound this time [06:19] damn you. [06:19] stop that. now. [06:19] lol [06:19] im waiting for someone to revu my stuff and upload my 3 pkgs towards world domination [06:19] im taking the world 1 bit at a time [06:19] imbrandon: around? [06:19] lol [06:22] jdong (beep) [06:22] jdong (beep beep) [06:39] hmm.. what makes guidance-power-manager say "This is not a laptop, quitting" on my ibook? === Hobbsee cheers [07:20] Hobbsee: what for? :P [07:20] Jucato: i got approved for a credit card :D [07:20] nice!!! [07:20] $2000 min limit [07:20] could you buy me this book from Amazon and send it to this address? [07:20] not that i intend to use it much :P [07:21] hah [07:21] dream on === Jucato looks for his mailing add [07:21] lol === Hobbsee hates the places that say "okay, pay up. credit card only" [07:21] Hobbsee: so now you have something to use on UDS Calif [07:22] theoretically, yes [07:22] :) [07:22] if i get there [07:23] So let me get this straight. UDS will be held inside Google's um... property? using Google's facilities? [07:24] dont know, i presume so [07:24] ah [07:33] UDS ? [07:33] Ubuntu Development Summit [07:33] Developers [07:33] rawr... [07:35] heya insanekane [07:35] well, both, really [07:35] hi Hobbsee [07:35] hopefully the developers will be doing development [07:36] heh [07:36] ano not lie half-naked in bed with their laptops :P === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:39] Hobbsee: you mean google is sponsoring a kubuntu development ? [07:39] Ubuntu Developer Summit Mountain View! http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/554 [07:43] insanekane: i wouldnt go that far [07:43] Jucato: heh. i wouldnt join them doing that, trust me :P [07:43] you better not :P [07:44] Hobbsee: oh ? [07:44] insanekane: ie, i dont know if they're formally sponsoring or what - there were an awful lot of kubuntu/kde based SOC projects though [07:44] Hobbsee: there are ? [07:44] Hobbsee: didnt know that [07:44] yeah === Lathiat [n=lathiat@ubuntu/member/pdpc.basic.lathiat] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:45] OEM installer, for one thing [07:45] plenty of others [07:45] OEM installer by abattoir :P === insanekane wishes he were a student [07:46] heh === Hobbsee is. she's even over their age limit now [07:46] KMformat(for formatting floppies/USB flash drives), KDE Guidance Wine module and LVM support for ubiquity were the others :) [07:47] ooh ooh!! will KDE Guidance Wine module make it to Edgy? [07:47] (other Kubuntu SoC projects) [07:48] Jucato: not sure, you'd have to check w/ yuriy for that :) [07:48] :P [07:51] Jucato: so are you doing the nvidia page? [07:52] oops, wrong channel [07:54] Jucato: a couple things i need to fix (namely get this patch into wine...which is a frustrating process) but you could always check out svn and try it out ; ) [07:55] yuriy: thanks for the update. [07:55] I would surely check out svn stuff... if I only knew how... and how to not mess up my system with it :P [07:55] heh === Ingmar [n=ingmar@d51A482FD.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio___ [n=tonio@79.207.103-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato [i=Fenyx@210.213.222.3] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato [i=Fenyx@210.213.222.3] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === Jucato [i=Fenyx@210.213.222.3] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Ingmar [n=ingmar@d51A482FD.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Kuhrscher [n=jannick@88.134.177.224] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:54] Hi, does anyone know where the translations of the Kubuntu Installer are from? [09:55] In Dapper the translation was quite incomplete, but I could not find a corresponding incomplete translation... === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:14] wb Hobbsee [10:14] heya [10:14] oh my goodness [10:14] ?? [10:14] i'd forgotten what dapper was like [10:14] lol [10:14] welcome back to the "real" world :P [10:14] heh === Hobbsee want edgy! === Hobbsee want the newer konversation [10:14] heh [10:15] Hobbsee: use imbrandon repos for the newer konvi and kopete [10:15] I'm using Konvi 1.0 on Dapper [10:15] ahhhh..... [10:15] i may just use irssi, not sure [10:15] what? and miss out the konversation goodness? :P [10:22] Kuhrscher: they're from ubiquity and debian-installer [10:22] hi Riddell [10:22] Jucato: i'll try booting to edgy again soon, i expect [10:22] Hobbsee: why are you on Dapper anyway? [10:22] Jucato: no eth0 on edgy, for some reason [10:22] i've had trouble here before [10:22] oh... [10:23] hi Hobbsee === Jucato finds The Dot amusing, hopes it doesn't turn into the slashDot... [10:24] Riddell: Hmm strange, these templates are complete... [10:27] Riddell: Perhaps it's just a bug and the problem does not exist for edgy [10:29] Kuhrscher: try the Knot 3 CD [10:30] Jucato: i'm hoping that if i close my eyes and snap my fingers, it'll go away [10:30] Kuhrscher: let me know which strings aren't being translated and I'll look into it [10:30] Riddell: Thanks. I will try and report a bug if the problem persists [10:30] Hobbsee: lol :) [10:30] Jucato: dot seems quite random today [10:31] Riddell: Ok, I will tell you tomorrow if they are still there [10:32] Riddell: yeah. I also remember the comments when Celeste was featured :) === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mbiebl [n=michael@dslb-084-057-254-232.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@175.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=user@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:52] Jucato: what was the web address to get all of imbrandon's updated packages? [10:52] er.. hold on :) [10:52] deb http://imbrandon.com/packages dapper all [10:54] oh, yep, right [10:54] i was still using buntudot.org [10:54] heh, now, the ssh is laggy :P [10:54] heh === Hobbsee kills off X [10:55] moins all [10:55] imbrandon: moin! [10:55] Hobbsee: pong [10:55] heh === Riddell [i=jr@muse.19inch.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:55] wb Riddell [10:56] wow! that's the first time I saw him leave/disconnect/whatever! [10:56] wow broken pipe , havent seen that before [10:56] hm.. === Jucato has quit (Broken bone) [10:57] imbrandon: --> query [10:59] hrm /me looks for the right qery window in irssi [10:59] hehe [10:59] heh [10:59] hilight me in it [10:59] heh [10:59] i'm not terribly used to it either === el [n=konversa@port-83-236-238-37.static.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:02] hi el! [11:02] moin Jucato :) [11:03] ello el and Jucato === \sh_away is now known as \sh [11:03] and moins \sh [11:04] huhu imbrandon :) [11:04] <\sh> moins all :) [11:12] hi \sh [11:12] hi el! [11:13] hi Hobbsee :) [11:13] <\sh> hey Hobbsee [11:15] :) === Hobbsee is without X, without networking on edgy :( [11:15] dapper is so old.... [11:15] :P [11:15] you are so mean... [11:15] remember Dapper = 3 years support [11:16] yeah, well [11:17] oooh! el's gonna give a talk at the aKademy :) [11:18] Jucato, yes - right on saturday morning... so no staying out late for me on friday ;-) [11:18] el: nice.good luck! :) [11:18] ooh, fun, what on? [11:18] Jucato, thank you :) [11:18] "Keeping Users in Mind" [11:19] Hobbsee, usability in KDE [11:19] http://conference2006.kde.org/conference/talks/38.php [11:21] el: i guess that's expected [11:21] hehe === Hobbsee found out how to kill a virtual terminal :P [11:22] Hobbsee: I think Seveas was connected to that? lol [11:22] Jucato: hehe === Tonio___ [n=tonio@94.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === goldenear [n=goldenea@vol75-4-82-225-33-186.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua_@122.0.228.14] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:29] ooh the clone of Hobbsee [11:29] evil evil clone [11:29] hehe [11:29] this is hobbsee locally now === mode/#kubuntu-devel [+o Hobbsee] by ChanServ [11:29] indeed i'm evil...... [11:29] oooh === mode/#kubuntu-devel [-o Hobbsee] by ChanServ === Jucato hides [11:30] heh === Jucato comes out again === Huahua [n=hua_@122.0.228.14] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kwwii_ [n=kwwii@p54957742.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:34] let's try those language packs again [12:35] heh [12:35] what, all of them [12:35] ? [12:35] *all* of them [12:35] people are suggesting mv edgy-changes riddell-changes [12:36] they'll love it when I rebuild KDE to change the .pot files to UTF 8 then :) [12:36] hehe [12:36] all of it? [12:36] holy cow, not again..... [12:36] actually it's only a few modules that use non-asii characters so doesn't need to be all of it [12:37] ah, okay then... [12:37] not quite so bad === Jucato [n=jucato@210.213.222.3] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jeroenvrp [n=jeroenvr@k-uptown.xs4all.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === beligum [n=beligum@d54C49278.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:55] Riddell: any news concerning the translations problems ? [12:55] my edgy is still half english/french [12:55] During dapper development I was subscribed to a mailing list, that showed all the changes in the dapper-repos - can't find it - what is the best way to have something similar for edgy [12:55] ? [12:56] Tonio_: I fixed that earlier this week, but it'll need to be imported into rosetta (should happen automatically) and exported into language packs before you'll notice [12:56] jeroenvrp: edgy-changes [12:56] jeroenvrp: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edgy-changes ? [12:56] ah that is [12:56] yes [12:56] thanks === imbrandon likes when the buildd's are full of *all of kde* [01:04] heh [01:04] :) [01:06] Riddell: do you know how much sladen charges for a virtual server ( on 19inch ) [01:07] imbrandon: name a price [01:07] oh really, wow === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:19] beta freeze tomarrow ? [01:19] Riddell: Which uuid changes were you refering to (re: mountconfig)? [01:20] sebas: cat /proc/mounts [01:20] /dev/disk/by-uuid/afc02639-661e-479d-a5cc-6d584e939095 /home ext3 rw,data=ordered 0 0 [01:20] /dev/disk/by-uuid/902f2966-e8c7-4769-978f-7eb817393cb9 /media/hda4 ext3 rw,data=ordered 0 0 [01:20] I can't easily tell since I'm on Dapper, and I won't upgrade my notebook to edgy, so it'll have to wait until after akademy. [01:20] sebas: I'll show you at akademy, I don't really understand what it does (other than it's preparing for libata) [01:21] but it confuses mountconfig [01:21] I can imagine. [01:21] It doesn't look like it's using libata for PATA devices, given it's still /media/hda4, not sda4. [01:22] hrm only my ext partitions are using uuid [01:22] ext3* [01:22] resierfs on the same drive doesnt [01:22] Sounds buggy. [01:22] ( sda ) [01:23] That's SATA? [01:23] yea [01:23] When is edgy release? [01:23] And when is freeze-freeze? [01:23] 26th, beta freeze tomarrow [01:23] feature freeze past [01:23] Aye. [01:24] Jup, that I knew. [01:24] yea see [01:24] Powermanager still doesn't know about idle times, and from the code I've read in kscreensaver, it's non-trivial to do in python. [01:24] here is my sata mounts ( all on one sata drive /media/windows is a PATA drive ) [01:24] http://pastebin.ca/177343 [01:24] thx [01:25] mountconfig should be relatively easy to fix though. [01:25] dunno why some are normal and some by uuid on the same drive, the only thing i can see is my / is reiser and /boot is ext3 === freeflying [n=freeflyi@221.221.160.156] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:44] Riddell: okay thanks for the info [01:46] Tonio_: which info? === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@221.221.160.156] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:50] Tonio_: have time to add a bunch of stuff to k-d-s later? [02:00] Riddell: concerning the languages :) [02:01] sorry I'm long to respond today...... [02:01] ah yes :) [02:01] I crashed my web server trying to upgrade to edgy, so I'm not very available ;) [02:01] everything was going well all the day to I said "let's upgrade" [02:01] 150 GB datas to backup before reinstall.... [02:02] okay let's continue the backup...... [02:02] Tonio_: ouch [02:02] hrrr [02:04] Hobbsee: hehe, migrating to lightttpd in 30 minutes, same for mysql uopgrade etc....... [02:05] ah [02:05] Hobbsee: I felt invincible yesterday evening hehe ;) [02:05] I was wrong ! === Hobbsee thought having to do dapper's updates was bad enough [02:05] hehe. clearly you have not taken murphy's law into account [02:05] I'll remember this :) [02:05] Hobbsee: exactly ;) [02:06] okay let's go, I'll be back this evening ;) [02:06] Tonio_: SHAME ON YOU FOR IGNORING MURPHY'S LAW! :p [02:06] imbrandon: do you have edit rights on the fridge? [02:06] Hobbsee: eveyone ignores murphy's law :) [02:06] Hobbsee: if you consider murphy's law, you stay at home and forget to live, since anything can happen anytime [02:07] welll...yes and no [02:07] hehe, the point is I have to go search a new HDD... [02:07] Hobbsee: I've been able to force reboot on recevery system, but I don't have enough space to backup.... [02:07] shitty day :) [02:07] ahhh... [02:07] ouch [02:08] s/recevery/recovery, sorry [02:08] 600 000 files haha :) that'll take a while [02:08] Riddell: yup [02:08] hehe ouch [02:09] imbrandon: any idea if I do? [02:10] imbrandon: could you change the latest article "runs until next Tuesday" to say "runs until the following Saturday" [02:11] imbrandon: and preferably change all the aKademy's to Akademy [02:13] sure [02:13] Riddell: i think you do too , i'll check after i edit that [02:18] Riddell: done === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:23] Riddell: no install cd for ppc now? [02:23] hmmh [02:23] this is irritating [02:23] what to do packsge that doesn't install nor remove, it's just mess between === sebas [i=sebas@belphegor.deadlysins.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:24] freeflying: likely, did someone fix ruby? [02:24] on ppc? [02:24] freeflying: seems not, but there isn't one for ubuntu either so not my fault :) [02:24] Hobbsee: ruby? which one? [02:24] freeflying: i used the ppc install cd ( knot 3 ) on release day [02:24] Hobbsee: no [02:25] Riddell: hrm the ppc cd is what i used to test knot 3 [02:25] freeflying: whichever was stopping kubuntu-desktop being installable on knot 3 [02:25] s/knot 3/ppc/g [02:25] imbrandon: yes, knot 3 is fine. freeflying was talking about the today's daily CD [02:25] Hobbsee: i see, thanks [02:25] Riddell: ahhh === imbrandon gets lost easy [02:26] heh [02:27] Riddell: anything we need to crank out before freeze tomarrow? [02:27] ( that i can help with heheh ) [02:28] imbrandon: fancy building koffice 1.6 rc 1? [02:29] Riddell: sure [02:29] for kubuntu.org or the archive ? [02:29] kubuntu.org [02:29] kk so dapper all 3 arches, sure thing === imbrandon gets started [02:29] but we need people to test it so we will be allowed to put in the final 1.6 [02:30] err, do you have the source? [02:30] not yet [02:30] so how are you going to get started? :) [02:30] where is it svn ? [02:30] im testing 1.6 as of right now from kubuntu.org if you make changes ill be glad to test it [02:30] heh i was opening a term and such ;) [02:30] hehe [02:30] dapper or edgy? [02:30] imbrandon: /msg;d [02:30] kk === Hobbsee sighs. looks like toshiba is recalling some of their batteries too [02:31] is there anyway you guys can make a webboard type app for kde [02:31] imbrandon: packages for dapper and edgy for three platforms would be lovely (or whatever you can manage) [02:31] sure [02:31] imbrandon: build it on 1 platform on edgy first and make sure any new files are installed [02:31] i can do all3 for both [02:31] kk [02:33] Riddell: is the current /debian in that tarbal or use the one from kubuntu.org and modify ( if needed ) [02:33] its wgetting now [02:33] it shouldn't have a debian/ dir [02:33] use the one from kubuntu.org [02:33] kk [02:34] meh, time to reinstall edgy to laptop, now I lost network too =) [02:34] gnomefreak: cool after its built and such i'll ping you [02:34] imbrandon: ty === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === andrunko [n=andrunko@200.184.118.132] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:38] right, i'm not effected. yay [02:42] ok edgy i386 build started ( as the test run ) , brb more soda [02:47] hehe Hobbsee your detmined to get me to use vim ;) /me will try to get used to it [02:48] eh [02:48] heh [02:48] i didnt force it back [02:48] hrm i might have [02:48] no biggie i need to learn it anyhow [02:48] plus it does handle dch -i better === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:49] haha [02:49] yes, dont blame me for stuff i didnt do :P [02:49] ;) [03:01] ... [03:03] Riddell: i thought of a simple solution btw [03:03] Riddell: for the amarok thing [03:03] Riddell: real simple ;-) [03:03] JohnFlux: oh? [03:03] change all the "kdialog..." to "kstart --ontop kdialog ...." [03:03] you're a genius [03:04] hehe [03:06] Riddell, want me to fix that , or you already ontop of it ? [03:07] Riddell: kstart --help has lots of options that might be worth playing with [03:09] testing out the current script I don't have a problem with windows appearing under amarok, they all appear on top [03:10] but we should tell the user that something is happening during apt-get update, that's quite unnerving [03:11] Riddell: i think it would be fine to have the dialogs ontop [03:11] JohnFlux: for me they already are [03:12] imbrandon: let me try it, I want to look at telling the user apt-get update is happening too [03:12] Riddell, okies [03:13] brb rebooting the server that houses my irc ;( === imbrandon [n=imbrando@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:18] welp there went my 32 days uptime on the dapper server heh === danimo [n=danimo@kde/danimo] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:26] Riddell: btw, i think the defaults for vim should be for niceness rather than compatibility [03:26] Riddell: e.g. turn on syntax highlighting etc [03:26] Riddell: i don't know why the default is to prefer vi compatibility [03:27] JohnFlux: that's not my area (not a vim user), although I know that vim was replaced with vim-tiny recently to save space [03:28] lol === imbrandon {hearts} nano [03:28] hehe [03:32] Riddell: doh, one problem i just ran into was that i didn't have pkg-config installed [03:32] Riddell: any chance that build-essential could also include this? [03:32] JohnFlux: no, build-essential is very restricted [03:33] grr [03:33] there's needs to be a build-useufl [03:33] there's needs to be a build-useful [03:33] with automake, pkg-config etc [03:33] i always forget most of the packages that I need [03:34] JohnFlux: apt-get build-dep kdelibs4-dev [03:36] Riddell: hey, that's really neat [03:36] Riddell: does that work in debian as well? [03:37] JohnFlux: should [03:38] that's cool [03:39] i added it to the build instructions for kde [03:39] ;) === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:42] JohnFlux: kstart seems to make kdialogue run in the background, which makes it unusable in the script === Hobbsee [n=user@CPE-144-136-125-169.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:42] Riddell: oh doh [03:43] heya === Hobbsee crosses her fingers and hopes that the latest updates will unbreak X [03:44] Riddell: thats... annoyin [03:44] Riddell: this is totally weired: I can't lauch amarok, konversation and knm via Alt+F2 [03:44] Riddell: it opens a konsole session instead and I don [03:44] 't see why [03:44] danimo: is it set to run in a terminal from the kmenu optoin? [03:45] danimo: check your options for alt+f2 === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:46] Hobbsee, imbrandon: tried both, nothin [03:46] can you reproduce it? [03:46] nope just tried, acts as normal [03:46] odd [03:46] all but knm ( dont have that installed ) [03:46] but konvo and amarok are ok [03:47] it works via kdeinit_wrapper, too [03:47] really odd [03:47] ahhhh [03:47] it stores the settings per application [03:47] (in alt+f2 menu) [03:47] right === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:54] !ping [03:54] ping: connection timeout [03:54] i swear my system likes being tempramental. and my X likes being broken. [03:54] heh [03:54] wb Hobbsee [03:54] yay === Hobbsee kicks the 35s lag === imbrandon just dosent reboot for days on end, that fixes X issues ;) [03:56] hehe [03:56] yeah well, i wouldnt === Hobbsee booted to all 3 of her OS's on this machien today [03:56] imbrandon: seems the pt_BR doc translations are broken in 1.6 rc1, you may need to patch that or ask CryilleB in #koffice to ping you when he has a fix [03:57] Riddell: ok [03:57] its still building atm [03:57] yes, it takes a while :) === Jucato_ [n=jucato@210.213.222.3] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:58] ;) [04:00] er, has anyone had trouble recently with g-p-m not startign up? === Jucato_ raises his hand [04:01] right... === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-022-182.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee wonders what happened to /usr/bin/guidance-power-manager [04:02] well, maybe it got hurt because we were always complaining :P [04:02] Hobbsee: it's moved to a new package which will be stuck in NEW [04:02] Riddell: right.... [04:02] Riddell: when was that getting pushed thru? [04:03] Riddell: any way to call it in the interim time? [04:03] Hobbsee: whenever an archive maintainer gets round to it [04:03] Riddell: infinity gone to bed yet? :P [04:03] Hobbsee: you'd need to build from source yourself [04:03] it's only midnight [04:04] ohh yea i needed to poke infinity anyhow about amarok , shiznit [04:04] imbrandon: why amarok? [04:04] Riddell: becosue the backport ate the binarys [04:04] yum [04:04] and he can recover them now that its fixed [04:05] hehe [04:05] hehe, very yum === jdong|laptop [n=jdong@d192-24-235-141.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee headdesks [04:08] oh no..... [04:09] Riddell: is that an old /admin dir in koffice ? [04:09] um.. libvisual-0.4-plugins is not in dapper-backports or in the amarok-143 kubuntu.org repository, but it's in the amarok-142 repository [04:09] Riddell: it coudlent find configure , so i tried to run make -f Makefile.cvs ( that normaly would fix it ) but it compalins that it needs autoconf 2.53 or newer and 2.6 is installed [04:10] imbrandon: what? [04:10] i probably forgot to backport them Jucato [04:10] oh koffice [04:10] ah ok. that explains it. :) [04:10] imbrandon: that's very broken [04:10] chmod: cannot access `/tmp/buildd/koffice-1.5.92/./configure': No such file or directory [04:10] so i tried to make -f Makefile.cvs [04:10] to create it [04:11] imbrandon: you need http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kubuntu_00_autoconf2.60.diff then [04:11] Jucato: the libvisuals should be in backports, I think [04:11] Riddell: k [04:11] imbrandon: and tell the koffice devs to use the current admin directory [04:11] jdong|laptop: should be, unless soyuz messed up again [04:11] Riddell: cant seem to see the package sitting in NEW at all [04:11] i may well have missed it [04:11] imbrandon: run make -f debian/rules buildprep then remake the .orig tar (without the debian directory) [04:11] Jucato: they got there from last time.... [04:11] jdong|laptop: well it's not there anymore :) [04:12] Hobbsee: I don't think we get to see the binary NEW queue [04:12] Jucato: yeah, I see that now [04:12] jdong|laptop: libvisual-0.4-0 and libvisual-0.4-plugins are diffrent source packages , they need to be backported seperate [04:12] Riddell: ahh okay [04:12] imbrandon: yeah, just saw that [04:12] and no soyuz is fixed now === Hobbsee headdesks more. [04:13] jdong|laptop: can you do that backport while i finish playing with koffice === jdong|laptop heads over to launchpad [04:13] imbrandon: I'm on it [04:13] thanks === Jucato looks for something to play with... [04:13] hmm, where does kubuntu set the locale? [04:13] seaLne: any plans to package qt4 ruby bindings? a conflict on qt3 bindings is as good a solution as any for now === ubuntu [n=ubuntu@221.221.160.156] has joined #kubuntu-devel === danimo bootstrapped edgy via deboostrap and now realizes that his locale settings are missing [04:14] (on the console) [04:14] danimo: export LC_LANG=C [04:14] i think will do it [04:15] imbrandon: well, yes, but where is it supposed to be set? [04:15] dunno lol [04:15] danimo: you need to run gen-locale to generate the locale or export LANG=C to not use one [04:15] Riddell: I want to use one [04:19] Riddell: rdale had talked about coming up with a solution and i've been playing about with packaging it so i do plan to have something before universe freeze [04:20] seaLne: lovely [04:20] are there problems with python and qt stuff currently? [04:20] just tried to update a machine that hadn't been updated for a week or so [04:21] Riddell: you there now? [04:22] grr, flashplugin backport doesn't work [04:22] damn it [04:22] then... wtf did I test it on [04:22] GASP [04:22] you didnt? *g* [04:22] Riddell: i would like to ask you a favor, or some kde package guru here === jdong|laptop instructs everyone to point and laugh at him === jdong|laptop has mislabeled his dapper and edgy chroots [04:23] i packaged telepathy-qt and dholbach wants someone to review it before going to build queue [04:23] haha, oops [04:23] yes broken [04:24] jdong|laptop: bug 61444 [04:24] Malone bug 61444 in flashplugin-nonfree "I am having problems to install this new package of flashplugin-nonfree" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/61444 [04:24] Jucato: yeah, see the part about pointing and laughing at me [04:24] while I rename some directories [04:24] andrunko: hi [04:24] seaLne: shouldn't be [04:24] Riddell: hi [04:24] Jucato: can you mark that as dupe of bug 61404? [04:25] Malone bug 61404 in dapper-backports "Flashplugin-nonfree in backports fails to install" [Untriaged,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/61404 [04:25] Riddell: i packaged telepathy-qt and dholbach wants someone to review it before going to build queue [04:25] andrunko: sure [04:25] Riddell: could you do it please? [04:25] nice [04:25] andrunko: where do I get it? [04:25] jdong|laptop: how about a duplicate of but 52237? [04:25] bug 52237 [04:25] Malone bug 52237 in flashplugin-nonfree ""installation failed" error while dist upgrading." [Untriaged,Fix released] http://launchpad.net/bugs/52237 [04:25] er.. hm... [04:26] Jucato: no, not the same bug [04:26] Riddell: https://launchpad.net/people/telepathy/+branch/telepathy-qt/ubuntu [04:26] Jucato: the point is, both dapper AND dapper-backports flashplugin are broken [04:27] Riddell: this is just the debian dir, the code can be found at https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/tapioca-voip/trunk/telepathy-qt (svn) [04:27] rawr... [04:27] Riddell: and thank you in advance [04:27] andrunko: svn co https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/tapioca-voip/trunk/telepathy-qt ? [04:28] yep [04:28] what's telepathy-qt? [04:29] andrunko: telepathy-qt isn't released yet right? [04:29] Riddell: no, but i can do it if needed [04:30] Riddell: the package is not generating shlibs depends correctly, it would be nice if you could find what is missing [04:30] andrunko: no that's fine [04:32] imbrandon: ping ? [04:32] Tonio_: pong [04:33] imbrandon: we should backport proftpd to dapper [04:33] the current version missed mysql support === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm61.omega22.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:33] imbrandon: here is the bug [04:33] does build in a clean dapperchroot with no changes? [04:33] if so it should be fine [04:34] imbrandon: yes [04:34] imbrandon: bug 59359 [04:34] Malone bug 59359 in proftpd "proftpd-mysql-1.2.10-27ubuntu3 has stopped authenticating with mysql" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/59359 [04:34] ok i'll file it here in a few minutes [04:34] imbrandon: I have set a proftpd with mysql and I had to backport the edgy version to get it to work [04:34] imbrandon: thanks ;) [04:35] Riddell: http://rafb.net/paste/results/BLDqIf81.html [04:36] jdong|laptop: do you want me to mark all duplicate reports as a duplicate of 61404? [04:37] Jucato: yeah, if they're the same problem [04:37] Riddell: ok wth i'm i missing here, i applied the patch ( even tried with a fresh /admin dir ) http://pastebin.ca/177559 [04:37] jdong|laptop: heh, so far I'm seeing 3 reports, excluding yours [04:37] seaLne: looks very broken [04:38] jdong|laptop: make that 4... [04:38] yeah which seems strange that its only that machine [04:39] Riddell: guidance power manager has been splitted ? [04:40] Riddell: look like removed from my computer [04:40] Jucato: I've asked for the backport to be pulled, and I've marked upstream/dapper as affected [04:40] err Riddell i psted the wrong thing [04:40] but I still have the kde-guidance package [04:40] Riddell: one sec [04:40] jdong|laptop: should I change all the status from Confirmed to In Progress, too? [04:41] seaLne: not really my area, you'll need to report a bug [04:41] Jucato: naw, marking them as dupes is enough [04:41] Tonio_: yes, it's not past NEW yet [04:41] Riddell: ah okay :) [04:41] jdong|laptop: ok. still hunting if there are other dupes left :P [04:41] danimo: telepathy-qt is a qt binding for telepathy (http://telepathy.freedesktop.org) [04:42] andrunko: your package looks like a work of perfection, have you done this before? [04:42] andrunko: the shlibs dependecies work fine for me [04:42] Riddell: hehe, you must be kidding [04:43] Riddell: i did some packages before, but never with cmake dependency [04:43] andrunko: only problem is the qmake/qmake-qt4 issue, I'm fixing cmake to look for qmake-qt4 first so you will need to build-dep on cmake (>= 2.4.3-1ubuntu1) [04:43] ah great [04:43] andrunko: want me to upload your package then? [04:43] yeah, i had to update-alternatives cmake [04:44] Riddell: if you could, it would be great [04:45] andrunko: interesting to hear about this [04:45] andrunko: is this qt 4 or qt 3? [04:45] qt4 [04:46] andrunko: possible candidate for kdepim integration then, no? [04:46] danimo: you would really like what we are doing now, tapioca-qt on top of telepathy-qt, there is some work done already on tapioca svn [04:46] the same place of telepathy-qt [04:46] decibel is going to use it [04:46] what is tapioca? [04:46] ah [04:46] tapioca is a bunch of convenience libraries on top of telepathy [04:46] Tapioca is a type of pudding :) [04:47] we developed some telepathy bindings directly, telepathy-qt telepathy-sharp and now we are building tapioca-sharp and tapioca-qt [04:47] and for sure we will do tapioca-glib also [04:47] Hawkwind: hehe, yes it is === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:47] jdong|laptop: I can't mark bug 61349 as a duplicate because "There are other bugs already marked as duplicates of Bug 61349." === dholbach [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/dholbach] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:47] Malone bug 61349 in flashplugin-nonfree "postinst error: update-rc.d uses nonexistent `multiuser' setting" [Medium,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/61349 [04:47] hey [04:48] Riddell: whats the make target to reverse the pacthes with cdbs [04:48] dholbach: hey [04:48] imbrandon: touch debian/stamp-patched; make -f debian/rules reverse-patches [04:48] I think [04:48] k [04:48] Riddell: I got this: [04:48] daniel@bert:~$ lintian /var/cache/pbuilder/result/libtelepathy-qt0_0.1.0~svn20060918-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb [04:48] el: libtelepathy-qt0: no-shlibs-control-file usr/lib/libQtTelepathy.so [04:48] ... [04:49] dholbach, ? [04:49] el: sorry - that must have been stupid autocompletion [04:49] huhu, mr neigbour :) [04:49] hi el! [04:49] el: YOU ROCK! :-) === dholbach hugs el ecstatically :) [04:49] wohooo :) [04:49] "E :" -> "el:" [04:50] dholbach: hmm, it looks unversioned [04:50] andrunko: is the library unversioned? [04:50] is there a really hacky, nasty way to very remove a package? [04:51] Riddell: apart from that I agree: the packaging is good [04:51] rm -rf [04:51] heh [04:51] that wouldn't convice apt [04:51] Riddell: yep :(. i didn't know how to version it using cmake, i am a newbie with cmake [04:51] seaLne: sudo dpkg -P ? [04:51] Riddell: if you know how to do it, i can change on tapioca svn directly [04:52] "Package is in a vry bad inconsistent state" is not a good error [04:53] el: poke? [04:54] huhu mornfall ! [04:54] how are you? [04:54] heya el! [04:54] hey ho danimo :) [04:54] could be worse :) [04:54] el: could you maybe join #ekhis for a bit? :) === Jucato focuses the spotlight on el and away from Hobbsee :) [04:55] :P [04:55] ;-) === neoncode [n=neoncode@unaffiliated/neoncode] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:56] changelog for new python-defaults sound hopefully relevant [04:56] Riddell: dholbach i got go lunch, will be back in a hour, or 2 or 3 :) [04:56] andrunko: see you === n8k99 [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:57] laters [04:57] dholbach, we might go for a quick dinner later? [04:58] el: when did you plan to for dinner? [04:58] hello everybody [04:58] dholbach, don't know > 7/8. need to go back to the office afterwards [04:58] 8 would be nice - need to go back to work afterwards too [04:59] or I just work from your place ;-) [04:59] hehe, you're welcome :) [05:00] nice ;-) [05:02] gooooooood mornin' kubuntu`estos [05:03] lo nix [05:03] el: thanks a lot [05:03] anybody else missing sound in edgy on ppc? [05:03] moin nixternal [05:03] dholbach, then let's speak later when + where to meet [05:04] kwwii_ & Riddell -- ping-a-ling-a-ding-dong [05:04] n8k99: seems to wok on my lappy fine but i havent tested it /today/ [05:04] el: sure [05:04] nixternal: hi [05:04] imbrandon: i get the startup chirp when i log in but that's the last i hear of it [05:04] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDocs/Edgy [05:04] all the way down kwwii_ [05:04] n8k99: my soind does not work either [05:04] how are you doing by the way ;) [05:05] heh, someone's extremely happy today :P [05:05] nixternal: hi [05:05] Kubuntu stylesheets - The stylesheets need to be altered to remove KDE logos....<- plan on replacing these with Kubuntu logos? [05:05] hey kwwii_ :) [05:05] hiya Riddell ;) [05:05] is there a bug report open about this? [05:06] nixternal: only for kubuntu docs [05:06] hih el [05:06] imbrandon: I can't be around much today, unfortunately [05:06] aka, Release Notes, About Kubuntu, and Kubuntu Desktop Guide === kwwii_ looks forward to dublin [05:06] imbrandon: can you keep poking ubuntu-archive about pulling flashplugin? [05:06] nixternal: hehe, that is some fun work, let me tell you [05:06] jdong|laptop: sure, and if he is subscribed he will get to it, but sure [05:07] actually, could be easy depending on how we go about it ;) [05:07] kwwii_: try not to be in bed half naked with aseigo again. think of the children :P [05:07] all i need it either the 3 images to replace the current, of the images to replace the Konqi and KDE logos [05:07] i can add them to svn, and the make file will copy them to a dir for me [05:07] imbrandon: hey, crimsun uploaded a new flashplugin [05:07] imbrandon: so we'll just backport that [05:08] just test it properly this time, dammit :P [05:08] Jucato: how do you think new kde dev's are made? [05:08] :p [05:08] lol [05:08] i'm sure he planed on it ( he is a backporter too ) after its been tested [05:09] kwwii_: definately not half nekkid, all the way FTW ;) [05:09] Riddell: is there a specific design you are after for these pages? if so, who is going to do them? and is it possible to have them by say....yesterday ? :) [05:09] hehe [05:09] jdong|laptop: done marking 8 duplicates. any workaround available until the fix is released (for those who will be asking about it)? [05:10] nixternal: artwork is kwwii_'s department [05:10] Jucato: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree/dapper [05:10] roger that [05:10] someone broke the multimedia packages badly [05:10] nixternal: we can take a look at it and see what can be doine quickly/easily [05:11] mplayer won't start due to a broken library dep, kaffeine and amarok act up sometimes [05:11] nixternal: is this stuff directy in the kde help center? [05:11] it is the top image and bottom image in the docs [05:11] danimo: known issue [05:11] yes kwwii_ [05:11] ouch [05:11] danimo: known , being worked on [05:11] look at Release Notes [05:11] imbrandon: which of the two? [05:11] jdong|laptop: thanks! I'll spread the word (hopefully to avoid other "hacks"). ETA for the fix? [05:11] danimo: all of the above [05:11] imbrandon: ok, great [05:11] ;) [05:11] Jucato: as soon as ubuntu-archive does the backport [05:11] nixternal: if we are going to touch the help center, then we should do the about pages too :p [05:12] how does guidance-power-manager figure out if a system is a laptop or not? [05:12] fdoving: most likely though hal [05:12] fdoving: lshal | grep formfactor [05:12] laptopdetect ? [05:12] kwwii_: About, Releasenotes, and Desktop guide [05:12] jdong|laptop: great! thanks [05:12] system.formfactor = 'unknown' (string) === n8k99 [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] [05:12] fdoving: laptopdetect; echo $? [05:13] actually [05:13] that doesn't work [05:13] hehe [05:13] 0 [05:13] laptop-detect works. [05:13] nixternal: now if we only had the files made to make those pics, we could get it done a lot quicker [05:13] fdoving: sudo hal-set-property --udi /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/computer --key system.formfactor --string laptop [05:14] fdoving: that'll force you to own a laptop :P [05:14] imbrandon: did you ever find the original files for the about pic (top right)? [05:14] jdong|laptop: ok, but this is a regression in edgy. how is this set and when? it worked like 2 days ago. [05:14] fdoving: just shove that in an init script after hal and call it a day? ;-) [05:14] fdoving: hal [05:14] fdoving: there was a bug report about this [05:14] kwwii_: /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/common/ <- the images are copied from here [05:14] ok. good. [05:14] fdoving: pitti uploaded two patches, the latter one must not work for you then [05:15] nixternal: no, I meant the gimp files or whatever that were used to make those pics [05:15] then i won't do anything and expect it to be fixed :) [05:15] ahhh [05:15] kwwii_: they are on kde svn , umm Riddell gave me the exact location i'll have to check [05:15] otherwise, we can pretty much start making a new design [05:15] jdong|laptop: thanks for your time. [05:15] np [05:16] fdoving: bug 59342 [05:16] Malone bug 59342 in hal "hal don't find that I'm on a laptop" [Medium,Fix released] http://launchpad.net/bugs/59342 [05:16] thanks. [05:16] oh, and kio only sees half of my / [05:16] and I can't really tell whyx [05:16] -x [05:17] i'll have to go cook dinner before the girls get home. later. [05:17] kio ? like konqi ? [05:17] danimo: that's the _Sime_ patches [05:17] brb === Hawkwind [n=SoS@ulteo/community/leader/forum/admin/Hawkwind] has joined #Kubuntu-Devel [05:17] reboot [05:17] danimo: check the contents of /.hidden [05:17] hm... [05:18] imbrandon: this is the new system one of the KDE devs blogged about? [05:18] imbrandon: wtf? === Jucato searches for that blog entry... [05:19] imbrandon: who cooked that up? [05:19] Jucato: yes _Sime_ [05:19] andrunko: looking at the strigi source it sets a version number with SET(CPACK_PACKAGE_VERSION_MAJOR "0") [05:19] aaah [05:19] danimo: _Sime_ does the coding , me and Tonio_ and Riddell put it in [05:19] imbrandon: lol I didn't associate _Sime_ with the kdeveloper blog :P [05:19] Jucato: simon edwards == _Sime_ [05:20] aaaaah [05:20] andrunko: and two other lines, but adding those doesn't seem to change the .so to be versioned so I must be missing something [05:20] andrunko: this should be fixed before we upload though, try asking on #cmake === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:20] imbrandon: why did you decide it was a good idea to hide the folders? [05:21] imbrandon: it causes problems, e.g. I can't point apollon to the gift installation anymore without using the keyboard [05:21] danimo: becouse the normal every day joe dosent need to see them, they are still accessable ( and you can turn on show hidden in konqui ) [05:21] (and typing the path) [05:21] imbrandon: isn't defaulting to $HOME enough? :} [05:21] not really [05:22] danimo: you can still type the path like /usr/... [05:22] heh [05:22] Jucato: sure, but it's non-obvious [05:22] danimo: see http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2231 it's still all experimental [05:22] danimo: feel free to edit the /.hidden to your liking also ;) [05:22] and submit patches/sugestions [05:22] imbrandon: well, _I_ can... [05:22] rawr Riddell beat me to the blog link :P [05:23] danimo: and anyone that needs to get to files not in /home or /media can too, thats the point [05:23] hmmm [05:23] hmmmm [05:24] more m's coming? :) === Hawkwind [n=SoS@ulteo/community/leader/forum/admin/Hawkwind] has joined #Kubuntu-Devel [05:24] wb Hawkwind [05:24] but it is still an experiment, you should read the blogpost ;) [05:24] yes [05:24] I just did [05:24] and /KubuntuKDEMedia on the wiki [05:25] imbrandon: well, the thing is that I was about to panik and run a fsck on my / partition [05:25] I read that post before I even knew about Edgy and Sime... I was actually surprised to know that we'd be implementin it first :) [05:25] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuKDEMedia [05:25] Jucato: Thanks :) === Hawkwind Hugs his new 2.6.18 kernel for Dapper [05:26] danimo: heh well you are not everyday joe though ;) ( and if you was gonan do that you would have been at the command line where its vissible ) but FYI gnome and osx both do it this way [05:26] gnome doesn't [05:26] imbrandon: it's not about me being everyday joe [05:26] imbrandon: my concern is this: You argue: Apple does this, and therefore it must be a good thing. You further argument that the normal user doesn't need to know about the unix hirachy [05:26] maybe we need to properly inform people, in a very prominent way, about the "big" changes in Edgy, like the PATA stuff and this. [05:27] Riddell: gnome honorus the .hidden , open up gnome file chooser [05:27] imbrandon: I would agree to that BUT [05:27] imbrandon: but it doesn't have one by defaut [05:27] Riddell: right [05:27] imbrandon: the comparison is a bit problematic. On OS X, the unix personality is almost completely abstract from the applications [05:27] well ubuntu dosent but its /in/ gnome for the use if wanted [05:28] imbrandon: that is: you don't need to know about unix if you want to use OS X [05:28] danimo: and one of kubuntu's goals is you dont need to know linux to use kubuntu ;) [05:28] danimo: we want the same for KDE :) [05:28] imbrandon: on the other hand on linux applications sometimes require everyday joe to access unix dirs [05:28] probably the user doesn't need to initially and immediately know about the Linux FHS. but in the long run, when he's prepared, he'll know where to look [05:28] danimo: give me a use case? ( non developer ) [05:29] imbrandon: so those places need to be fixed, too, and that concerns every 3rd party KDE app kubuntu ships [05:29] imbrandon: as I said: apollon [05:29] there are programs run by the regular user that needs access to root directories? [05:29] imbrandon: and that's just the first thing I fell over, being a CLI user for many things [05:29] looks like apollon needs to be fixed not to require non-gui editing [05:29] imbrandon: note that I am not argumenting against the idea [05:30] imbrandon: right [05:30] imbrandon: but hiding directories and not fixing all apps doesn't improve things [05:30] imbrandon: you could argue the amount of cases where this is tragic is neglectable [05:30] but I'd be careful about it [05:30] danimo: i havent found any that require that other than the one you just stated [05:31] right [05:31] yea i'm not trying to argue either pre se, its good to get it all out in the open to get things "right" [05:31] but i think alot of what you are seeing is an old time linux user ( like you or me ) and not a newcomer [05:33] imbrandon: it needs to be added to the development guidelines [05:33] who do I bug to register another mime type by default in kubuntu? [05:34] danimo: definately , thus this is the testing grounds for that to see /what/ exactly needs to be added [05:34] (actually, it should be shipped with kaffeine I guess) [05:34] danimo: which mimetype? [05:34] Riddell: Riddell .m2t, MPEG transport stream [05:35] Riddell: DVB streams as stored by kaffeine [05:35] well, DVB streams in general [05:35] danimo: we've had mimetypes that can be handled by both kaffeine and kmplayer before in which case it should be kdelibs [05:35] food time, danimo can we chat more about this later , i'm definately interested and plan to spec a few things out for mt view about it ( and useability overall ) [05:35] but I think only kaffeine does DVB so that should be added there [05:35] imbrandon: ok [05:36] danimo: can you check if kmplayer can read it? [05:36] el: what's your opinion on that [05:36] danimo: but in short no its not perfect but its a testing ground, hey its /edgy/ hehe [05:36] Riddell: nope, mplayer has a broken library dep [05:36] danimo: mplayer or kmplayer? [05:36] imbrandon: oh, true :) [05:36] Riddell: oh I forgot that kmplayer uses xine [05:37] Riddell: but yes, kmplayer supports it, too [05:37] because it's a xine feature === el tries to catch up... === mbiebl [n=michael@tecov6131.teco.uni-karlsruhe.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:39] danimo: so it should be added to kdelibs [05:39] yes [05:39] danimo: in which case you know where SVN is for KDE 3.5.5 :) [05:43] so who wants add things to k-d-s? (amarok background update, metabar background and css, all new window deco buttons, a new window deco gradient overlay, a new color scheme, a new wallpaper for desktop and ksplash, and some stuff with the window deco that I do not know how to do) [05:43] don't everyone scream at once === Jucato watches as tumbleweeds roll by... [05:45] kwwii_: if no one does it by the time i'm done eating i will .... got a mouth full of sushi atm lol ;) [05:45] ooh sushi! [05:45] hm... sushi ang mt.dew? [05:45] imbrandon: cool :-) enjoy your lunch [05:45] sushi sounds good [05:45] tastes even better :P [05:46] kwwii_: we're going to have another color scheme change? [05:47] kwwii_: I can do it this evening, but if imbrandon (or Tonio_ ) wants to do it first that's great === \sh is now known as \sh_away [05:48] Jucato: the main difference is the color of the inactive window titlebar [05:48] kwwii_: ah. i thought it would be another astounding, earth-shattering change :P [05:48] pink and green is next week [05:48] lol [05:48] ooh green... [05:49] 7 years of green was enough for me, thanks === Jucato thinks all *buntus should be green (because GNOME doesn't like blue, and KDE doesn't like brown, and Xfce doesn't know what it likes...) [05:49] kwwii_: SUSE? [05:50] ok maybe not green, but something neutral :P [05:50] Jucato: hehe, no...SuSE :p [05:50] lol [05:51] haven't the changed the spelling already? something like OpenSUSE or openSUSE?? oh what the heck. Novell! [05:51] SuSE green is ugly but i think a darker forest green and some browns would be nice [05:51] SuSE is an acronym, so in a way, once can say that "SuSE" meant something once [05:52] Novell changed the u to U === jdong_ [n=jdong@d192-24-235-141.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:52] +1 to imbrandon's idea :) [05:52] Software- und System-Entwicklung [05:53] ah Software and Systems Engineering [05:53] exactly, Die Gesellschaft fr Software und System Entwicklung mit beschrnkter Haftung === Jucato thanks Google [05:53] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SUSE_Linux [05:53] ;) [05:54] lol, the search result from Google was a bit faster :P [05:54] I'm loving the current edgy artwork... so tempted to transfer them into Dapper :P [05:55] nooo [05:55] thats like using oxgyen icons before kde4 .... errr [05:55] ;) [05:55] lol [05:56] lol [05:56] mmm lemon wasabi === Jucato loves oxygen... [05:56] that's odd [05:57] java is enabled, yet the quicksettings plugin reports it as disabled === goldenear [n=goldenea@vol75-4-82-225-33-186.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:57] and it doesn't work properly either it seems === danimo investigates [05:57] danimo: gcj or sun java? [05:57] s/sun/imb ;) [05:58] ibm [05:58] Jucato: the working one of course [05:58] heh [05:58] and it's sun, not ibm [05:58] sun no workie on ppc ;) [05:58] ibm java FTW === danimo doesn't use ppc [05:59] i'm sorry [05:59] ;) [05:59] hm.. does running Edgy on VMWare affect how mouse scrolling works? [05:59] wow, FF 2 finally got a return button behind the location bar [05:59] I think I need to really boot into and update Edgy tomorrow/later... [05:59] that's how long after konq had it? :) [05:59] Jucato: pobbibly [06:01] hrm [06:01] brb === imbrandon [n=imbrando@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:03] wb imbrandon [06:05] how does one reconfigure sound? [06:06] kwwii_: need an upload ? [06:06] kwwii_: I can find a few minutes to do this :) [06:09] Tonio_: here are the files: http://bootsplash.org/k-d-s-20060918.tar.gz [06:10] Tonio_: I might have to tell you what some of them are for [06:10] kwwii_: okay :) [06:10] Tonio_: and there are settings in the window deco that we need to change [06:11] kwwii_: okay I have the files and kds, let me have a look [06:12] kwwii_: concerning the folders, I can replace them [06:12] [06:12] kwwii_: what about the other ones ? [06:12] Tonio_: yeah, I just put them into the folders so you would havve some idea what it what [06:13] kwwii_: kwin-crystal ? [06:13] it is in that tar.gz too [06:13] the window deco [06:13] kwwii_: yes but is that already in kds ? [06:13] Tonio_: yes, it is [06:14] erm, might be in kde itself, I guess [06:14] hehe [06:14] oops [06:14] yes I can see those files [06:15] we need to add the windowDecoOverlay file to k-d-s and set it as defualt for both active and inactive windows === mbiebl [n=michael@tecov6131.teco.uni-karlsruhe.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:16] and we need to change the colors of the outside and inside lines drawn on the titlebar [06:18] kwwii_: what about test3b.png [06:18] kwwii_: is that new background ? [06:18] Tonio_: hehe, yeah, sorry for leaving the stupid naming [06:19] and we need to add a scaled version to ksplash as well, I guess [06:19] I wanted to ask you about that [06:19] it is necessary to scale the pic to 1280x1024? [06:22] kwwii_: no need for me here [06:22] it is scaled as it is [06:22] kwwii_: I don't find the windeco buttons in kds...... [06:22] I assume is it somewhere lese [06:22] else [06:22] Tonio_: they are not in kds, sorry [06:22] kwwii_: yep, that's another package....; [06:23] kwwii_: okay so first kds, do I include the new background or not ? [06:23] what is this one for ? [06:23] Tonio_: it is a slight improvement on the blue-purple wallpaper [06:23] yes, we should include it [06:23] kwwii_: as wallpaper + ksplash background +..... [06:23] or just wallpaper ? [06:24] and we should put a version of it in ksplash as well [06:24] exactly [06:24] okay [06:24] both [06:25] kwwii_: it looks like Riddell's ksplash config doesn't require any background [06:25] it uses the kde one [06:25] cool, that is how it should be :-) [06:25] and kdm-theme is set to use the kde wallpaper too, so I just need to change the wallpaper [06:25] but it wasn't like that yet in knot2 [06:25] let's go [06:25] kwwii_: yes true [06:25] cool :-) [06:27] Tonio_: did you see the metabar background.png and the stylesheet.css? Oh, and in amarok, the only thing to really change is the background.png [06:28] kwwii_: I just copy pasted to replace the folder content [06:29] I'm building and testing, but I assume that will be okay :) [06:29] cool [06:29] kwwii_: next I'll do the kwin theme [06:30] Tonio_: cool, there is a bit more to that, I think :-) [06:30] uuencode hell ;) [06:31] kwwii_: ah ? what else ? [06:31] kwwii_: need improvement in the package ? cause I may not have time toonight.... tomorrow yes, but not today... [06:31] Tonio_: he means you will have to uuencode the other stuff ( not k-d-s ) [06:31] Tonio_: well, the extra stuff with the window deco (setting the overlay, colors, etc.) [06:32] Tonio_: when you and kwwii_ get done , i'll work with him and finish what you dont have time for [06:32] kwwii_: ah.... the gradient is in kds but the buttons are uuencoded ? === Old_Fred [n=esifred@24-176-70-057.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:32] imbrandon: yes, kds stiff is done === Old_Fred [n=esifred@24-176-70-057.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [06:32] Tonio_: I guess that is how one would do it, yes [06:33] imbrandon: just the kwin-crystal package to do [06:33] Tonio_: as well as teh default settings for color, etc. [06:33] kwwii_: okay the gradient is in kds here, I let imbrandon doing the buttons [06:34] cool, tag-team-packaging :-) [06:34] kwwii_: yeah I included that too, I just missed the kwin-crystal thing [06:34] heh [06:34] imbrandon: I let you finish that part :) [06:34] ok so you get everything but the kwin style done ?> [06:34] kwwii_: wheres the files for that i'll do the kwin style [06:35] http://bootsplash.org/k-d-s-20060918.tar.gz [06:35] imbrandon: that is everything [06:35] kwwii_: kk [06:36] imbrandon: and on top of adding the buttons, we need to set a gradient as default for the overlay and add colors for the outline and inline of both the active and inactive windows [06:36] Tonio_: so the only thing i need to do is the kwin style correct ? ( just so we both dont try to do the same thing ) [06:36] kwwii_: ok grbbing the source now [06:36] brabbing [06:36] grr [06:36] grabbing [06:37] kwwii_: uploaded [06:38] Tonio_: cool, thanks === bddebian [n=bdefrees@mail.ottens.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:40] Howdy [06:40] heya [06:40] Hi imbrandon [06:42] Riddell: can i uuencode a whole directory of images and make one patch ? [06:43] like i have the orig /kubuntu and the new /kubuntu so like "uuencode /kubuntu/*> blah.uu" and the same for the old and make a diff of the uu files ? [06:44] Riddell, dholbach: just updated http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~telepathy/telepathy-qt/ubuntu and telepathy-qt svn to do library versioning. When you get some time, please try it? Ps. Updated version to 0.1.0~svn20060920 [06:44] andrunko: super - will look later on, I made a note [06:45] nice [06:48] ahh got it, ok one sec kwwii_ [06:51] imbrandon: cool [06:59] kwwii_: ok images updated in kwin style , running a test build to make sure i did the uuencode correct , but i'm sure that will go fine [07:00] what was the other changes for kwin style ? === OdyX [n=Didier@210.68.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:02] Riddell: btw i'm still getting that koffice error on my ppc also , dunno whats up === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:04] imbrandon: we need to set a gradient as overlay, and change colors for the default outline and inline of the active and inactive windows [07:05] so one gradient, 4 colors [07:05] ok do you know what files its in ? === toma [n=toma@84-53-90-221.wxdsl.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:07] heya toma [07:07] hey imbrandon [07:07] seen the pics of the new mail client , quite nice [07:08] got binarys ? [07:08] *sigh* http://dot.kde.org/1158656080/ [07:08] imbrandon: neh, i'm not ready for them yet [07:08] toma: heh ok [07:08] imbrandon: without setup or composer it's not really ready for an audience [07:10] imbrandon: no idea whatsoever === OdyX_ [n=Didier@134.64.77.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mbiebl [n=michael@tecov6131.teco.uni-karlsruhe.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:20] imbrandon: in kwincrystalrc [07:21] .kde/share/config/kwincrystalrc has it all [07:22] imbrandon: http://bootsplash.org/kwincrystalrc has the colors...the path to the gradient needs to be adjusted of course [07:26] ahh ok so its in k-d-s [07:26] kk [07:27] kwwii_: 403 forbiden === Kuhrscher [n=jannick@88.134.177.224] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:52] imbrandon: shit, one second [07:52] sorry, I was talking to my wife [07:53] np i'm not in a rush [07:53] imbrandon: fixed [07:54] Hi, is there something like a "message freeze" for edgy eft? === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #kubuntu-devel === danimo [n=danimo@212.44.192.212] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:01] kwwii_: is that just the changes, becouse thats a WHOLE lot shortere thans whats already there [08:01] shorter* [08:02] imbrandon: hehe...well, that is the file that is in my system after I changed things, no idea [08:02] kwwii_: here is the current one http://pastebin.ca/177789 [08:02] look that over make sure no other changes need to be made while i grab a soda [08:02] ok so i can replace whats there with yours ? e.g. the other stuff isnt needed ? [08:05] not sure....I would think not, but just in case, you could leave it there and simply add my values fro FrameColor2 InlineColors and point it to the right overlay gradient [08:05] imbrandon: btw: I forgot another reason for upgrading to X.org 7.1: the i810 driver performs better with Xgl [08:06] danimo: huh? [08:06] erm, better take all the stuff from mine, I guess... === imbrandon is a little lost on that one [08:06] imbrandon: why? [08:06] imbrandon: didn't we talk about i810 drivers the other day? [08:06] danimo: we are using 7.1 afaik [08:06] i dont think so [08:07] not you and me atleaste hehe === imbrandon uses i810 driver and 7.1 [08:07] heh [08:07] kwwii_: ok [08:07] imbrandon: Version: 1:7.0.22ubuntu10 [08:07] imbrandon: says apt [08:07] apt lies [08:08] imbrandon: how do you know you have 7.1? [08:08] hmm, indeed: X.Org version: 7.1.1 [08:08] says xdpyinfo [08:08] brandon@horatio:~$ sudo X -version [08:08] X Window System Version 7.1.1 [08:08] Release Date: 12 May 2006 [08:08] X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 7.1.1 [08:08] why is apt lying then? [08:09] dunno something about the transition, you would have to ask the X gurus in #ubuntu-devel [08:09] i just know it does heheh [08:10] grrr === Goliath23 [n=david@dslb-084-058-014-174.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:11] hi [08:11] I have a serious problem here: I have installed the latest k7 kernel image, using the linux-image-k7 meta package. but there doesn't seem to be a matching resticted-modules package for that kernel and I guess thats the root of real problem (nvidia kernel module isnt loaded) only If I manually specify the path to the .ko file and using insmod [08:11] Goliath23: edgy ? [08:11] no, I think I'm on dapper! [08:12] Goliath23: and this is really the wrong channel for that kinda question ;) [08:12] hrm [08:12] install linux-k7 not linux-image-k7 [08:12] linux-k7 is the correct metapackage [08:12] oh, okay. [08:13] but just fyi #kubuntu is the better place to ask for support ;) [08:13] I'll try to fix it using adept. [08:13] Goliath23: [08:13] yes, I asked there a few minutes ago :) [08:13] Goliath23: type " sudo apt-get install linux-k7 " at the command line [08:13] Goliath23: none the less that is the correct place [08:13] sorry. but if it were a real problem i'd filed a bug report launchpad! :) [08:13] Goliath23: type " sudo apt-get install linux-k7 " at the command line [08:13] thanks! [08:14] np ;) [08:14] yup, but first' i'll clean up my self-generated kernel mess here :) [08:14] that should do it for you [08:14] no real need [08:15] yup I know. just like to have it clean :() [08:15] also note there is #ubuntu-kernel too ( we mostly just deal and know about the kde specific stuff in here ) [08:15] oh okay, sorry about asking here, you're right of course! [08:16] no worries [08:16] just for future ref [08:16] its kinda slow atm anyhow in here [08:16] ;) [08:17] okay: kubuntu related question, just out of interest: is there a plan for adept to handle required user inputs (license accepting and so on) better in the future? [08:17] at the moment it just stops without notice and the user has to find out, that there is a "show details" button [08:17] Goliath23: yes thats being addressed, cant tell you /when/ it will be out but in short yes [08:17] ok :) === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm61.omega22.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:24] Riddell: ping [08:24] yeah... [08:25] kwwii_: k-d-s uploaded ( kwincrystalrc ) , still working on kwin-style-crystal images [08:25] heya mornfall [08:25] evening [08:32] (ignore /me being lazy ) kdebug 132851 [08:33] (ignore /me being lazy ) kde #132851 [08:33] KDE bug 132851 in knetwork "KResolver raises assert KResolverWorkerBase::acquireResolver(): Assertion `th != 0L' failed" [Crash,New] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=132851 [08:34] imbrandon: cool, thanks man === marseillai [n=mars_@AMarseille-256-1-104-195.w90-10.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Goliath23 [n=david@dslb-084-058-008-230.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:34] np [08:37] imbrandon: I still think there is a majow problem here. I have linux-k7 installed. modprobe still fails to find the nvidia module. via insmod I can install it though. linux-k7 depends indirectly on the 2.6.15.27 kernel image ... but the linux-restricted-modules-k7 depends on the 2.6.15.23!! restricted modules package.. isnt there a mismatch that might cause my problem? [08:37] major [08:38] well, I better ask in ubuntu-kernel! [08:40] imbrandon: did you see if Tonio_ already put the overlay gradient in k-d-s? [08:41] kwwii_: yea he did [08:41] khl === Kuhrscher [n=ubuntu@88.134.177.224] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:41] heh damn germans ( joking ) [08:42] did you know that the german language was made as language to comman troops? [08:42] :p [08:42] hehe [08:43] Riddell: Does it really make sense to check for translation problems using Knob3? [08:44] get this: i am babysitting my friends email account. he is on vacation where there is no internet so he calls me every couple of days and asks me if he has mail :-) [08:44] hahahahahah classic [08:44] Riddell: Almost everything seems to be broken ... === nixternal [n=nixterna@71.194.189.213] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:47] imbrandon: so what do you think of the gradient and the buttons? === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:48] kwwii_: i did put the overlay gradient [08:49] Tonio_: yeah, imbrandon said that too, just wanted to check :-) [08:49] kwwii_: hehe [08:50] Tonio_: it turns out that the window deco config changes are in k-d-s too === mdz [n=mdz@studiocity-motorola-bsr1-70-36-194-85.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Goliath23 [n=david@dslb-084-058-036-047.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:51] wb mdz [08:52] kwwii_: i still havent got the uuencode diff to apply correctly so ummm dunno yet ;) [08:52] kwwii_: hu ? [08:52] isn't that an external package ? [08:52] Tonio_: yes , the one i did [08:53] kwwii_: what are you talking about ? [08:53] or you were just confirming it was in.... [08:53] the kwincrystalrc was in k-d-s === Tonio_ is VERYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY tired....... [08:53] and he was confirming [08:53] imbrandon: ah....... [08:53] ;) [08:53] so you have to uuencode images in that file ? okay I understand [08:54] I missed this one sorry [08:54] Tonio_: no worries i uploaded -43 k-d-s and now trying to get uuencode to behave [08:54] Tonio_: don't worry, imbrandon took care of it :-) [08:54] great [08:55] Tonio_: the file kwincrystalrc is already in k-d-s and that controls the things I wanted to change with the window deco (not the buttons) [08:55] even I did not know that until I looked :-) [08:55] ahhhhhhhhhh, okay that makes sense now [08:55] hehe you didn't tell me what you wanted to change so.... [08:55] well imbrandon will do it... I have to finish my server backup...... [08:55] I'm getting crazy with this..... [08:56] Tonio_: see http://pastebin.ca/177822 <--- i'll poke Riddell when he's arround to find out what i'm doing wrong [08:56] yeah, to be honest, I never looked at how it does it, only what it does :-) === kwwii_ spent two days making buttons again and again [08:56] hehehe [08:56] I bet I built the window deco 100+ times [08:56] i like the ones we have , but i'm sure i'll like the new ones [08:57] imbrandon: I assume it is not a problem with the -p ? [08:57] well, everything is glossy now [08:57] I must say I don't know, hard to guess in 10 sec.... [08:57] sorry but I'm out... will have more time tomorrow and friday [08:57] Tonio_: it might be -p2 hrm [08:57] heh later Tonio_ [08:57] seya :) [08:57] I thought about adding a gradient like the window deco to the panel but I want Jonathan to talk to me still :p [08:58] kwwii_: we should do the panel like i had mine ;) [08:58] imbrandon: that is basically what my new one looks like [08:58] ;) [08:59] lets put that in tonight if Riddell says its ok [08:59] wanna add that too? we can see what people think, at least [08:59] sure === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mdz [n=mdz@studiocity-motorola-bsr1-70-36-194-85.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:14] kwwii_: woot got it building correct, now installing , gonna restart X and try it , then upload [09:14] cool :-) === Kuhrscher [n=jannick@88.134.177.224] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:17] ohhh WOW [09:17] kwwii_: you rock === imbrandon uploads [09:18] ;-) [09:20] before i trash the laptop i need for tommorow is todays live install ok? [09:21] seaLne: no idea , havent tried todays images [09:21] not chuffed about python breakage today of all days :) [09:23] imbrandon: don't suppose you have time at some point to look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3175 ? [09:23] seaLne: sure lemme just put one last touch on this kwin package for kwwii_ ( ~5 minutes ) then i'll look === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:26] kwwii_: uploaded kwin-style-crystal , should hit everyones edgy boxes in about ~1 to ~1.5 hours ;) [09:27] and i must say it fskin rocks [09:27] imbrandon: killer, thanks a lot man [09:27] seaLne: looking now [09:27] should the progress bar in usplash ever get beyond about 5%? [09:28] seaLne: mine gets to about 50% bore kde login shows [09:28] heh [09:28] seaLne: that seems to be an issue that lots of people bring up...it stops at different points for different people, depending on the machine speek I guess [09:28] speed [09:29] parallizing the boot stuff only makes it worse [09:29] i think it might have gone further if it hadn't complained about eth1 (todays live cd) [09:29] yeah [09:31] seaLne: looks great, need me to uplaod ? [09:32] yes please [09:32] and archive afterwards if you could, thanks [09:32] sure [09:32] imbrandon: http://bootsplash.org/panelbg1d.png [09:32] that is the lightest effect I can make without loosing the effect [09:32] kk kwwii_ gimme just a sec to finish this other upload [09:33] imbrandon: no problem, just wanted you to test it and tell me your opinion firt [09:33] first === mbiebl [n=michael@dslb-088-064-169-007.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/dholbach] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:34] Riddell: I know you are not big on panel bg's so perhaps you could take a look at that pic as well and tell me if it is too much for you [09:37] seaLne: uploaded and archived [09:37] cheers [09:37] now all i have is 3 more complex ones to do before next week :( === mdz [n=mdz@studiocity-motorola-bsr1-70-36-194-85.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm61.omega22.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:38] kwwii_: looks fskin amazing to me ;) [09:38] ( the pannel bg ) [09:39] and fyi there is a pannel bg enabled by default from kde, this is just a diffrent one ;) [09:40] kwwii_: here it is in action on a default install ( with your other new art ) http://federation.imbrandon.com/ss101.png [09:41] imbrandon: how does that look with panel size tiny? [09:41] :-) [09:42] seaLne: I like it best at that size [09:42] seaLne: s/101/102 and look [09:42] it look ok that way too [09:43] imbrandon: update your color scheme to get the new color inactive window title [09:43] umm afaik i have everything updated === danimo [n=danimo@kde/danimo] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:44] imbrandon: yeah looks fine to me :) [09:44] i have no idea why people would want to waste so much space on panel :) [09:45] seaLne: i normaly have 15 or more windows open, so two rows is great ( plus at 1600x1200 tiny is a bit small to see ) [09:48] hmm lang-gnome-en-base installing [09:52] yeah after install progress went to ~50% :) === beligum [n=beligum@d54C49278.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:56] todays live i386 installs fine [10:03] hehe [10:03] he who fixes me sound gets a beer [10:04] it's been awefull quite in my office for weeks [10:05] what's wrong with it? [10:05] fdoving: my sound? i am running ppc and it simply does not work at all since i installed edgy [10:06] I have an eMac - apparently, if things break on ppc, it happens on this machine [10:07] hmm.. [10:07] i have sound working on my ibook. [10:07] what module do you try to use? [10:07] how does one reconfigure sound? [10:07] perhaps things are better and I simply need to reconfigure it [10:08] snd 69940 5 snd_aoa_i2sbus,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer [10:08] have you turned everything up in alsamixer? [10:08] don't know if there is such a feature. [10:08] it does not even find the device, I think [10:08] what's the issue? [10:09] crimsun: sound on ppc edgy [10:09] no, your issue. [10:09] ? [10:10] kwwii_: crimsun is -the- soundman. [10:10] hehe, then I am lucky [10:10] well, if I open a mixer, for instance, it does not even find a device [10:10] alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device [10:11] etc. [10:11] what're the contents of /proc/asound/cards? [10:11] (no soundcards?) [10:11] --- no soundcards --- [10:11] pastebin your lspci -nv [10:11] and your dmesg [10:12] http://pastebin.ca/177879 [10:13] http://pastebin.ca/177885 [10:14] Riddell: did you have a chance to have another look at telepathy-qt? [10:15] kwwii_: your kernel is olde [10:15] -e [10:15] please use -8- first [10:15] ye olde kernel :) [10:17] Riddell, andrunko: for me it's good enough to go === Kuhrscher [n=jannick@88.134.177.224] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:20] crimsun: erm, how does one update the kernel in ubuntu? I thought the normal updates would do it [10:22] (I'm happy if anybody else reviews it too) [10:22] crimsun: why does flashplugin conflict xfs (< 1:1.0.1-5)? [10:23] jdong: because the older font server had some extremely screwy issues. [10:23] crimsun: hmm, that includes Dapper? [10:24] crimsun: right now dist-upgrading flashplugin also forces xfs off [10:24] that's correct. [10:24] crimsun: so does something bad happen if xfs and flashplugin were both installed? [10:24] yes, stuff isn't displayed [10:25] crimsun: ok, thanks for the clear-up... [10:25] nevermind the fact that to use Flash you have to either disable composite or pass an env to firefox [10:25] kwwii_: they should, do you not have an updated option for -8-? [10:26] Hi, is somebody working on the broken translations in edgy? [10:27] crimsun: I update every day...everything, would I have to select that myelf somehow? [10:28] kwwii_: do you use yaboot? is it updated automatically with the new kernels? do you use the symlinks for yaboot.conf? [10:29] no, you shouldn't have to. What do you have from ``apt-cache search linux image 2.6.17-8''? [10:30] gnite. [10:30] fdoving: yes I use yaboot...erm symlinks? [10:30] hehe g'night [10:31] linux-image-2.6.17-8-powerpc - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.17 on 32-bit PowerPC [10:31] and a lot of other similar lines [10:31] my yaboot.conf is out-of-the-box [10:32] kwwii_: symlinks in /boot,like /boot/vmlinux and /boot/initrd.img [10:32] initrd.img -> initrd.img-2.6.17-8-powerpc [10:32] System.map-2.6.17-8-powerpc [10:32] lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 24 2006-09-20 18:33 vmlinux -> vmlinux-2.6.17-8-powerpc [10:32] out of the box yaboot.conf will probably use the symlinks, the question is, are the symlinks updated to the new versions? [10:32] correct. [10:32] yepp, they are there [10:33] try executing 'ybin -v' [10:33] (with sudo or root access) [10:33] I have to go now. you'll figure it out :) [10:34] :-) [10:34] thanks for your help [10:34] http://pastebin.ca/177907 [10:36] perhaps I simply need to reboot [10:36] ? [10:36] now that would be funny [10:36] it has been a couple of days === kwwii_ does so, just to check === jdong_ [n=jdong@d192-24-235-141.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kwwii_ [n=kwwii@p54957742.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:43] crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/177917 is my latest dmesg [10:43] kwwii_: can't look now, busy. Ping me tonight (~6hrs) [10:45] crimsun: well, that is 4am my time....perhaps some other time [10:46] I appreciate the help and understand your schedule, but my wife would kill me :-) === ryan_ [n=ryan@d226-26-139.home.cgocable.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ryan_ is now known as ryanakcs === ryanakcs is now known as ryanakca [10:49] I got "dpkg --get-selections" catted into a file. it's called "dpkgselections". now, how do I use this file with "dpkg --set-selections"? [10:51] oops, wrong channel [10:51] ryanakca: you just love answering your own questions, don't you ;) [10:54] jdong: *curses himself for asking impossible questions* [10:55] ryanakca: how is that an impossible question? [10:55] ryanakca: have you found your answer yet? === ryanakca waits for his mom to give him back his external hard-drive with his .kde [10:55] nope [10:55] ryanakca: dpkg --set-selections < slectionfile [10:55] ryanakca: sudo apt-get dselect-upgrade [10:55] imbrandon: ping? === ryanakca is just guessing that it's impossible because you told me the same thing when I did have a question nobody could answer [10:56] ryanakca: your hibernate works fine, the computer shuts off, that's good enough [10:57] jdong: since when does my hibernate work fine? I have to pull the plug on it after about 5 minutes of it not doing anything and staying stuck and a X screen that looks as if it's been put threw a paper shredder :) === ryanakca goes back to messing with his system, and thanks :) [10:58] imbrandon: we should increase the default size of the window decoration by 2 pixels [10:58] ryanakca: trust me, you are not the only one [10:59] ryanakca: isn't that what hibernate was supposed to do? === jdong ducks [11:00] ryanakca: don't worry, my sound doesnt't work [11:00] jdong: lol [11:01] kwwii_: I had that problem too... turns out the dist-upgrades kept on removing me from the "audio" group... [11:01] They finally got it fixed though.. [11:01] ryanakca: well, my problem is more a kernel thing it appears === neoncode [n=neoncode@unaffiliated/neoncode] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:02] kwwii_: aah... kernel :) === ryanakca remembers trying to get Wacom to work on debian a couple of years ago.. [11:02] First time I had used linux... [11:03] I am *the* reason that wacom worked on suse [11:03] and there I was recompiling the kernel.... [11:03] lol :D [11:03] krdp so rocks with ssh [11:03] every releae I brought all of my tablets to the X guy and said "they don't work" === ryanakca can't imagine recompiling the kernel everytime... [11:04] lol [11:04] hmm... why are the window decorations still that flashy purple instead of blueish purple... === ryanakca just ran a fresh install... [11:05] ryanakca: they are blue-ishh purple [11:05] just darker [11:05] and shiny [11:05] with new buttons [11:05] ah [11:06] and if I could get imbrandon to notice my existence perhaps we would have a new panel bg too [11:06] hmm... Viper550 (I think) had some nice nice gradients for the wind decorations... [11:06] I think he is taking a nap [11:06] or hiding [11:06] imbrandon: how do you set up a build farm thingy [11:07] ryanakca: he had some ideas for the panel [11:07] oooh [11:07] the one I have is along the same lines, but much more subtle [11:08] Why don't we set the panel to "locked"? having those polkadotted bars show up all over the place is a pain and I find in... unattractive... imho [11:08] http://bootsplash.org/panelbg1d.png [11:09] oooh... looks nice :) === ryanakca tries it out [11:09] ryanakca: yeah, I think they look ugly too [11:09] like if it was just the itsy bitsy black arrow that popped up, I wouldn't mind... [11:11] I like it... it gives the panel a cylindrical look [11:12] I hoped it would match the new window deco stuff [11:13] what... you've changed your mind again? === ryanakca rolls his eyes :D [11:13] Riddell: you still haven't given your opinion === ryanakca thinks the windecs should be a greyish blue... [11:14] hehe === kwwii_ likes purple === ryanakca does too... the old one [11:14] then who's idea was it to change it all to greyish blue? [11:15] dholbach: nice, tnk you. let me know if you have any issue :) [11:15] andrunko: looks good enough to me [11:15] nice [11:15] andrunko: just waiting for somebody from the kubuntu end to say "alrighty" [11:15] ryanakca: it si not all greyish blue...the active window is quite purple stil [11:15] dholbach: ok [11:15] l [11:15] andrunko: you rock! [11:15] andrunko: I added you to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Telepathy/Modules [11:16] dholbach: :), you the guy [11:16] kwwii_: I know... the windecs should be either gb... or purple with a purple background... and why are the inactive ones straight grey? [11:16] hi dholbach, hope things are good on your end [11:16] ryanakca: they are not anymore [11:17] ryanakca: the inactive ones are now a blueish color [11:17] kwwii_: heya - yeah, I'm quite busy, but I'm ok... I'm at el's office atm [11:17] kwwii_: how are you? [11:17] let me post a screenshot [11:17] dholbach: busy too [11:17] dholbach: the closer we get, the busier I am :-) [11:18] dholbach stole sweets from our snack baer [11:18] and didn't give me anything [11:18] haha [11:18] el: that's UNTRUE! [11:18] liar [11:18] el: now you won't get any sweets at all! [11:18] muhuhuhahahahahahahaha [11:18] pfffft - i live healthy [11:18] i don't want sweets [11:19] healthy .... [11:19] . o O { boooooring } [11:19] ryanakca: http://bootsplash.org/snapshot6.png [11:19] (now i don't know what to say any more...) === ryanakca is at Get:758 out of Get:Unknown... wow... bandwidth :) [11:19] el: I'm sorry - what about having ice cream on the way home? ;) [11:19] aeh - it won't be open then! === marseillai [n=mars_@AMarseille-256-1-23-237.w86-219.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:21] even more healthy [11:22] el: do you keep up with the kubuntu artwork stuff? I would like to know your opinion on the newest stuff [11:23] kwwii_, no - sorry. but holehan is usually having a look at the latest artwork [11:23] el: cool [11:23] kwwii_, has the icon testing made progress with him? [11:24] kwwii_, i think holehan is still in #openusability [11:24] el: the biggest problem is that we (the oxygen team) have no idea exactly what to test [11:24] or how to test it [11:24] kwwii_, hmm - let's sit together in dublin and think about that === seaLne wonders who else is going to akademy? [11:25] el: definitely. david will be there as well, so we can figure something out [11:25] it looks like nuno will not be able to make it because he just took a new job [11:25] kwwii_, yes. did you see the icon naming bof? is that (time/date/etc) all right for you? [11:26] kwwii_, but he'll continue to work on oxygen, no? [11:27] el: to be honest, the bofs (and working with david) are all I really plan to do...although I must admit I am lazy about keeping a calender [11:27] I thought about that today [11:27] making a plan of what I want to do [11:27] hehe [11:28] sounds like a reason to earn enough money to hire someone to do it for me [11:28] when is that bof? [11:28] kwwii_, we did: http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=HCI+%40+akademy [11:28] or, better, is there a schedule? === mbiebl [n=michael@dslb-084-056-231-253.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:29] kwwii_, did you see it? wed, 1700-1800 [11:29] yepp [11:29] thanks for that [11:29] we really need one schedule for everything though [11:30] kwwii_, this tiki wiki is sh*t.... [11:31] well, I will put this in my plan on my laptop (it would be nice to do it on one computer and transfer it to another, but I am not that advanced) [11:31] normally my schedule is a text file [11:32] :p [11:32] :) [11:32] you can export ical events [11:32] I am really bad at this stuff, and probably miss out on a lot of things because of it [11:32] yeah, on my mac it is simple [11:32] hah, and you are having a mac!! [11:32] kontact scares me though [11:32] but I try not to use osx anymore [11:32] ah - ok, that's an excuse ;-) [11:33] oh, if I had osx I could do it without a problem [11:33] yes, kontact is really difficult.... [11:33] at least the calendar [11:33] but since my wlan works I promised myself only to use osx when I need to do some print thing on adoble [11:34] I tried to import a calender but it did not work [11:34] at least, I did not figure it out [11:34] kwwii_, hehe - soon you'll have some experts around you who can help [11:35] el: I was just thinking that...I really look forward to akademy this year. I will definitely have an impact on how I work === claydoh [n=clay@216-220-245-52.midmaine.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:35] and the work I am doing now, hopefully [11:36] I really like the kubuntu artwork stuff for edgy so far [11:36] I hope to get other opinions as well [11:36] although asking developers is not always the right answer [11:36] calendars are for people that aren't arrogant enough to just forget dates [11:36] :p [11:36] yes, i'm also much looking forward to akademy. all september i did nothing except kde stuff (ok, and a few organisation things):) [11:36] sebas: screw you [11:37] hah, sebas ! [11:37] kwwii_: Remind me to remind you to give me a beer :> [11:37] hah el!~ [11:37] sebas: as I remember it, I owe you one or two [11:37] yaaam.... bear..... [11:37] beer [11:37] ups [11:37] I'm considering bringing port for Tom, but I'm unsure if the airport personnel accepts that. [11:38] hehe [11:38] no more liquids [11:38] Worst case: I've to drink it at the customs. [11:38] so much for my big pepsi-light cup [11:38] Not *that* bad actually ... :> [11:38] :p [11:38] Ireland is not UK, it *might* be OK. [11:38] but you'll arrive with a headache [11:39] No, I'll arrive pretty drunk, it's only a one-hour-flight, no time to get a headache. [11:39] lol [11:39] And I always have my personal adesistant === kwwii_ leaves frankfurt at 4:20 === nixternal [n=nixterna@71.194.189.213] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:39] Ouch :/ [11:40] That's am, right? [11:40] guess I will go straight to the nokia pizza [11:40] no, no....pm [11:40] On saturday? [11:40] I get in at 5:20 on Sat [11:40] You americans should learn about 24hour days, not 12hourhalfdays. [11:40] That's late. [11:40] yepp === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:41] I'll miss you. [11:41] but the eV meeting is on Sun, or? [11:41] monday [11:41] mon [11:41] whew [11:41] so I am cool === Riddell returns === sebas waves at Riddell [11:41] Riddell: we put a really glossy panel bg in place, since you were not here [11:42] Heh, showme!!11111111 [11:42] kwwii_, imbrandon, dholbach, andrunko: you pinged? === sebas got glossy buttons already [11:42] Riddell: pong [11:42] kwwii_: just testing it out now, not bad as they go [11:42] kwwii_: back... lol I just noticed that the screen was scrolling, and the bar on the scroll bar was going up... [11:42] well, iif imbrandon would wake up from his nap and include the new panel bg we would all be happy [11:42] Riddell: pinged about telepathy-qt - looks good to me, would like some kubnutu hacker to look at it too, so we don't miss anything - that's all [11:43] andrunko: where's that source again? [11:43] kwwii_: it looks nice [11:43] kwwii_: can't wait [11:43] Riddell: svn export https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/tapioca-voip/trunk/telepathy-qt [11:44] will pbuilder work offline if it has the packages in its cache? [11:44] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~telepathy/telepathy-qt/ubuntu is the packaging [11:44] seaLne: yes [11:44] k [11:46] kwwii_: any other artwork outstanding? [11:47] Riddell: well, the panel bg is still oustanding...wanted your opinion on that [11:47] kwwii_: lets do it [11:47] kwwii_: did the window decorations go up? [11:48] Riddell: yepp, and people seem to like it [11:49] the panel bg is something that we kinda waited for, the rest should be done [11:49] amarok, metabar, etc. [11:50] you did the new deco's kwwii? [11:50] hmm... === jott__ [n=j@e178099106.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:51] can i be frank about it? [11:52] nixternal: of course [11:52] dude, it looks HOT! Kubuntu looks refreshed with it. I like it, good job!!! [11:52] damn Riddell, i wanted kwwii to answer...was trying to make him sweat ;) [11:52] had my finger on the "enter" trigger [11:52] nixternal: oh no, now you'll make kwwii_ all big headed [11:52] haha [11:53] i love this new color totally! [11:53] ehe [11:53] this shade of purple could replace "blue" as my favorite color ;) [11:53] the funky thing is this: the color is really blue but it looks purple [11:53] oh well..then i will stick with blue ;) [11:54] ? [11:54] as my favorite color ;) [11:54] hehe [11:54] i like it though. [11:55] Riddell: i got go, leave me a msg if you find any problem with the packaging [11:55] i think we need the colors in the docs as well ;) [11:55] what about panel bg? [11:55] laters [11:55] out of interest is anyone here thats going to akademy wanting to buy a kubuntu tshirt? [11:55] kwwii_: kicker panel? [11:55] nixternal: yepp [11:55] it needs to be added still, I think [11:55] ya, because mine still looks like the old one [11:55] we can wait to add it to the next update of k-d-s [11:56] gloss panel kubuntu? [11:56] it didn't get named default [11:56] nixternal: add http://bootsplash.org/panelbg1d.png [11:56] Riddell: dholbach told that you can upload it if you are fine with it, and if not, mail him that he will do it tomorrow [11:57] andrunko: cool, just looking at it now [11:57] /usr/share/apps/kicker/wallpapers/glosspanel_kubuntu.jpg [11:57] thats not it right? [11:57] Riddell: nice :) [11:57] nixternal: point the dialog to the new file from my server [11:57] gotcha [11:58] night fellas [11:58] night dholbach [11:59] i like it kwwii_, and added the "theme color" to it [11:59] nixternal: I tried adding that as well for a while, but I think that at first it is better without it [11:59] for most people [12:00] i selected it to apply the theme color...i like the shade it gives it [12:01] I wish it was a bit darker [12:01] but I like it as well === mbiebl [n=michael@dslb-084-056-231-253.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:01] it really looks good..this is the first funky kicker i have ever had [12:02] if i ever tricked out kicker, all i would do is make it transparent [12:02] that says a lot, actually === nixternal is listening to "I Love This Bar" by Sammy Hagar & The Wabos on Livin' It Up [Amarok] [12:03] hrmm [12:03] i forgot i added a hotkey for that [12:04] andrunko: around? [12:04] we'll see how well the new colors, overlays and buttons come across === mbiebl [n=michael@dslb-084-056-231-253.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:06] hey kwwii_, did you get a chance to play with the doc images at all? [12:07] nixternal: yeah, but I did not have much licuk [12:07] luck [12:07] ok..i thought licuk was something new that i have yet to learn ;) [12:08] simply changing the colors doesn''t really work [12:08] kwwii_: should I package this panel background? [12:08] we need to design a whole new interface [12:08] tomorrow is the doc freeze...is it possible to get those included after the freeze? anyone know? [12:09] Riddell: yes, please [12:09] nixternal: doc freeze is for strings not images [12:09] cool Riddell [12:09] so if i add them at a later date we will be fine [12:09] nixternal: I should package the docs as well then right? [12:10] you can look at them if you get a chance...there might be just a little bit more editing..i can't speak 100% for about or kdg..but the release notes i have been working on getting them ready [12:10] release notes are probably at 99% right now [12:10] and kdg and about might be at or around 75%...but i will fix that all tonight [12:11] nixternal: woo :) === ryanakca [n=ryan@d226-26-139.home.cgocable.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel