[12:15] <nimrod> skreet_away: thank you! that was it
[12:15] <skreet_away> nimrod: No problem, sorry I didn't help ya sooner.
[12:15] <nimrod> ok :-)
[12:16] <dan__> hey does anyone know of a program that plays wmv's
[12:16] <Zaire> vlc
[12:16] <dan__> hmm
[12:16] <dan__> i have that
[12:16] <Hawkwind> dan__: mplayer and others if you have the right codecs installed
[12:16] <dan__> what codecs do i need on vlc
[12:16] <chris_> have you installed the w32 codecs?
[12:17] <dan__> let me check
[12:17] <chris_> just search for w32codec in synaptic and you should find em
[12:17] <dan__> no
[12:17] <dan__> ok cool
[12:17] <dan__> thanx
[12:19] <dan__> i cant find it
[12:19] <zorglu_> you got multiverse repository ?
[12:19] <skreet_away> dan__: You have to have extra respositories install check ubuntuguide.org for a guide.
[12:19] <Hawkwind> !info w32codecs
[12:19] <ubotu> w32codecs: win32 binary codecs. In component extras, is optional. Version 1:20060611-0.0 (dapper-seveas), package size 13911 kB, installed size 33488 kB (Only available for i386)
[12:20] <OOD> it's in the seveas repo
[12:20] <dan__> win32 binary codecs ok i think i have that on the list
[12:21] <dan__> dang it
[12:21] <dan__> i dont
[12:21] <Max_-> Is it easy to make a software raid (SWraid1) if I have a laptop with 2 hdd???  And how do I partition at first?
[12:21] <dan__> i have all the repositories hilighted
[12:22] <skreet_away> dan__: Please check ubuntuguide.org for adding additional repos that DO NOT come with kubuntu :)
[12:22] <skreet_away> dan__: i.e. non-free codecs and the like.
[12:22] <chris_> dan: mmm, i was about to sugest selecting the optional repos, it should be there
[12:23] <dan__> oh ok let me check it out i think i may have figured it out
[12:24] <kdoell> hallo
[12:27] <chx> is there a way to download stuff from a mobile phone (Nokia 3220 or Sharp GX15/17)
[12:27] <lebifteksauvage> hi
[12:28] <Admiral_Chicago> hello
[12:32] <jester45> any know if it possible to compress/decompress your whole drive drive
[12:33] <Sanne> hi
[12:33] <Admiral_Chicago> jester45, what do you mean?
[12:33] <jester45> like as a file is being read it get decompressed
[12:33] <Admiral_Chicago> like compess your whole HD?
[12:33] <Admiral_Chicago> uhh i dont know about all that
[12:33] <skreet> Like with Windows Filesystem Compression?
[12:33] <jester45> and if you write to it it compresses it
[12:34] <jester45> yea maybe like that
[12:34] <MasterEvil`Lapto> Ok I launch tightvncserver, but i think it's sharing only one window?? anyway i can share entire desktop?
[12:34] <Admiral_Chicago> skreet, except that thing sucked
[12:34] <skreet> You don't want that, it sucks
[12:34] <Admiral_Chicago> and took up MORE space then not being compressed
[12:34] <skreet> Admiral_Chicago: There arn't enough system resources in the world to run off a compressed volume.
[12:34] <jester45> i want what is does
[12:34] <skreet> No you dont.
[12:34] <skreet> You want a new hard drive
[12:34] <skreet> with more storage space
[12:34] <jester45> i have 3TB
[12:35] <skreet> of what?
[12:35] <jester45> dont think new drive will help
[12:35] <skreet> movies, music?
[12:35] <skreet> compressed data?
[12:35] <jester45> both
[12:35] <jester45> verything
[12:35] <skreet> it's not going to help you to compress it
[12:35] <skreet> it's compressed media.
[12:35] <jester45> i have music programs movies just about anything you can think of
[12:35] <skreet> You dont want to compress it. It's terrible.
[12:36] <skreet> Thats why there isnt a good solution for it in Linux.
[12:36] <skreet> Because it's a bad idea.
[12:36] <skreet> Buy 3 TB more storage space, I guess..
[12:36] <jester45> wish i could do that
[12:36] <skreet> Or delete some `moviez`
[12:36] <jester45> wish there was a filesystem with that was like on big rar
[12:36] <jester45> i cant do that
[12:37] <skreet> No you dont.
[12:37] <skreet> You think you wish that.
[12:37] <skreet> How long does it take to rar something?
[12:37] <skreet> :)
[12:37] <jester45> i dont care about that
[12:37] <cpk2> can you imagine how long it would take to do anything
[12:37] <jester45> have like half rared
[12:37] <skreet> then rar the stuff you dont use
[12:37] <cpk2> oh, lets open this... decompressing...
[12:37] <jester45> half for storage other half for games/programs
[12:38] <cpk2> plus what would it decompress to? the pagefile?
[12:38] <jester45> i think my computer could handle that
[12:38] <skreet> cpk2: lol
[12:38] <jester45> ram
[12:38] <skreet> jester45: How much ram do you have?
[12:38] <cpk2> you are going to buffer a whole movie to ram?
[12:38] <jester45> my storage server has 12gb
[12:38] <jester45> i could
[12:39] <jester45> i want the one online that has 32gb
[12:39] <skreet> jester45: If you have 3 tb of hard disk and 12 gb of ram why is it so bad to add more hard disk space
[12:39] <jester45> it could do anything
[12:39] <skreet> jester45: Anything? Like watch movies?
[12:39] <jester45> becuase the case if full
[12:39] <skreet> jester45: lol.
[12:39] <jester45> lol
[12:39] <jester45> yea
[12:39] <jester45> many movies
[12:39] <skreet> 32gb of ram isnt for ANYTHING desktop
[12:39] <jester45> yea the 32gb is a desktop
[12:39] <jester45> isnt*
[12:39] <skreet> jester45: what I mean is you probably dont have a use for a system with 32gb of ram
[12:40] <skreet> jester45: Unless you have a 32gb mysql database, or something
[12:40] <MasterEvil`Lapto> or is using a compressed file system? :P
[12:40] <jester45> hehe
[12:40] <zorglu_> well a big 3d station may need that much :)
[12:40] <jester45> see
[12:40] <jester45> save room
[12:40] <MasterEvil`Lapto> i'm j/k.. i think i side with skreet
[12:40] <skreet> Yea, put all your movies in the 32gb of ram.
[12:40] <skreet> Power goes out.
[12:40] <skreet> Cry..
[12:40] <skreet> :P
[12:41] <jester45> lolk
[12:41] <jester45> i would be a bit mad
[12:41] <zorglu_> hehe ram as very fast disk :)
[12:41] <MasterEvil`Lapto> that's a lot of ram
[12:41] <skreet> yea
[12:41] <skreet> it's a server
[12:41] <skreet> :) google probably has 32gb of ram in their boxen
[12:41] <jester45> http://www.siliconmechanics.com/c221/storage-server.php
[12:41] <MasterEvil`Lapto> they're google though
[12:41] <cpk2> i would hope if you have something that huge its on a ups
[12:41] <skreet> cpk2: Agreed.
[12:41] <skreet> cpk2: Though if you're looking to store movies on a compressed filesystem you might not.
[12:42] <MasterEvil`Lapto> i'm sure they even have excess vespene gas
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[12:42] <skreet> yes!
[12:42] <skreet> lol
[12:42] <cpk2> so you could technically load storage onto the ram
[12:42] <jester45> aa starcraft
[12:42] <cpk2> then if the power goes out save it to disk before the ups dies
[12:42] <jester45> lovethat game
[12:42] <jester45> butthe squarsare to big
[12:42] <skreet> cpk2: Or you could buy faster hard disk storage
[12:42] <skreet> cpk2: And more of it.
[12:43] <jester45> no disk is ram fast
[12:43] <cpk2> well high can you go with ram? 64 gigs?
[12:43] <skreet> You can't build a SCSI320 16TB raid out of RAM..
[12:43] <cpk2> how much does 64bit linux support?
[12:43] <skreet> AMD64?
[12:43] <skreet> 8gb.
[12:43] <skreet> 64-bit.
[12:43] <skreet> 64GB
[12:43] <skreet> I think.
[12:43] <lupine_85> only 8GB?
[12:43] <jester45> lol if you had a TB os ram
[12:43] <skreet> AMD64 arch is limited to 8gb, afaik
[12:44] <skreet> Addressing doesn't go that far.
[12:44] <jester45> i would never turn that computer off and use teh ram as a uber gameing system
[12:44] <cpk2> i am quite sure you can go over 8g
[12:44] <skreet> jester45 is probably the kind of person who would buy a 1900$ CAD card to gaming then be very disappointed.
[12:44] <skreet> cpk2: on AMD64? I think it's an arch limit.
[12:45] <MasterEvil`Lapto> what's command to configure WINE?
[12:45] <zorglu_> seems weird to me
[12:45] <lupine_85> Red HAt can do 1TB on amd64: https://www.redhat.com/rhel/details/limits/
[12:45] <lupine_85> it's just a matter of setting the right kernel options, I'd imagine
[12:45] <skreet> I just assumed it was a motherboard issue
[12:45] <jester45> how fast of a cpu show my storeage server have to run at max
[12:46] <skreet> I remember running into 3.75GB limits on AMD64 boxes running XP, probably an OS problem though
[12:46] <jester45> from what i can tell its at max
[12:46] <lupine_85> finding enough slots would be difficult...
[12:46] <skreet> jester45: I didnt understand anything you just said..
[12:46] <jester45> but all i did was give it to my friend to get it setup then added disks
[12:46] <cpk2> heres an interesting link too for ram http://blogs.msdn.com/slavao/archive/2005/06/03/424825.aspx
[12:46] <jester45> my storage server how fast should the cpu be
[12:47] <skreet> lupine_85: Maybe Multi-processor AMD 64 FX...
[12:47] <skreet> jester45: .. How fast of a CPU should you have in a storage server?
[12:47] <skreet> jester45: How often do you access your data?
[12:47] <zorglu_> Larger physical address space: Current implementations of the AMD64 architecture can address up to 1 tebibyte of RAM <- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD64
[12:47] <jester45> umm
[12:47] <zorglu_> is this naive ?
[12:47] <jester45> like all the time
[12:48] <jester45> probly a constant 1-2mbs and burst to 2 or 3 movies
[12:48] <cpk2> isnt it more like how many cpus should you have? =P
[12:49] <zorglu_> http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10878_11-5158836.html <- they got 16gbyte on linux amd64
[12:49] <lupine_85> jester45: irrelevant, as you're limited by the Ethernet
[12:49] <lupine_85> Get 10GigE fibre and you might have to worry about that
[12:49] <lupine_85> jester45: it's not a big issue
[12:49] <lupine_85> switching to Intel (yuck) Pro ethernet would save you some CPU time and get better throughput
[12:49] <lupine_85> yes, the main limitation seems to be related to physical slots...
[12:50] <skreet> lupine_85: Not a fan of Intel?
[12:50] <lupine_85> no, but their Ethernet cards are the best
[12:50] <jester45> i havent had any problems with the speed yet
[12:50] <cpk2> gotta love the celerons, so cheap
[12:50] <jester45> mass the celerons
[12:50] <odwortek> hi, can You help me?
[12:50] <lupine_85> Sempon, Duron - cheap, faster
[12:50] <jester45> i can try
[12:51] <MasterEvil`Lapto> my vncserver is only sharing a console window, not my entire desktop. What gives?
[12:51] <odwortek> my installation is stoping
[12:51] <skreet> lupine_85: Sempron yes, Duron uggggh
[12:51] <skreet> Celeron D's are pretty slick
[12:51] <lupine_85> back to RAM... it took us... 17? years to fill up the new "more than enough" addressable space. So according to Moore's Law, we should all have ~1TB in another 17
[12:51] <jester45> my sempron broke
[12:51] <lupine_85> cor
[12:51] <lupine_85> I've been AMD ever since the K6-2 233
[12:51] <odwortek> do you know why installation process can stop?
[12:51] <skreet> fanboi
[12:51] <lupine_85> never looked back
[12:51] <lupine_85> :p
[12:52] <skreet> I've been using everything since I used PCs
[12:52] <skreet> Without bias based on a trademark
[12:52] <skreet> :)
[12:52] <skreet> Except Gateway, they suck.
[12:52] <jester45> odwortek: maybe you ran out of space or try it again or get a text based installer if your computer cant handle the live cd
[12:52] <skreet> ethical? Go on..
[12:52] <lupine_85> AMD generally fab their chips in Germany
[12:52] <lupine_85> guess where Intel do it?
[12:53] <skreet> Malaysia
[12:53] <odwortek> jester45: everything you mentioned is ok
[12:53] <jester45> odwortek: have you tried to restart then trying it again
[12:54] <jester45> odwortek: it works sometimes
[12:54] <lupine_85> (Intel have some operations in ireland and the USA as well, but I think AMD are a safer bet generally)
[12:54] <lupine_85> plus, I like underdogs )
[12:54] <jester45> they not much of a underdog anymore
[12:54] <skreet> lupine_85: that makes me upset.
[12:55] <skreet> People who root for underdogs because they have a smaller marketshare
[12:55] <skreet> :P
[12:55] <skreet> Wanna know a secret?
[12:55] <odwortek> jester45: many times
[12:55] <odwortek> jester45: about 5
[12:55] <skreet> Intel's x86 division is a major part of their production
[12:55] <skreet> AMD makes all kinds of other things
[12:55] <skreet> :)
[12:55] <lupine_85> :gasp!: ;)
[12:55] <skreet> Like.. EEPROMs
[12:55] <skreet> and 286 chips!
[12:55] <skreet> lol
[12:55] <skreet> And now.. ATI video cards!
[12:55] <skreet> lol
[12:56] <Zaire> is there a .deb package for sdl 1.2.0?
[12:56] <lupine_85> !libsdl-1.2
[12:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libsdl-1.2 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:56] <jester45> i want a supercomputer i would rent it out for 500,000 a hour
[12:56] <lupine_85> bah, it's called something like that
[12:56] <lupine_85> jester45: you'd face some stiff competition from BlueGene/L
[12:56] <jester45> aa some bombs would take care of that
[12:57] <jester45> boom booom booom anyone up for 100million now??
[12:57] <skreet> ...
[12:57] <jester45> that would be cool make a 100million a hour
[12:58] <skreet> ...
[12:58] <lupine_85> ah, blessed silence
[12:58] <jester45> i hate it
[12:58] <skreet> lupine_85: It's more that theres nothing that can be said
[12:58] <Sanne> Zaire: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin//search_packages.pl?version=dapper&subword=1&exact=&arch=any&releases=all&case=insensitive&keywords=libsdl1.2&searchon=names
[12:58] <jester45> i like talking or errrrr typeing
[12:59] <lupine_85> no, it's more that a plonk in time saves nine :)
[12:59] <lupine_85> bed time for me, anyway - 14hr day tomorrow
[12:59] <jester45> hehe my playlist is like 16000 songs long and i hate some of the songs
[12:59] <jester45> and im nevergoing ot get to the end
[12:59] <skreet> lupine_85: I hear that.. I got a 14 hour day as well
[12:59] <skreet> I have a feeling the RIAA is going to catch you someday jester...
[12:59] <sandokan512> Hi
[01:00] <jester45> i got 0 hours
[01:00] <Zaire> thanks sanne
[01:00] <Sanne> Zaire: you're welcome
[01:00] <jester45> RIAA has nothing on me
[01:00] <skreet> :)
[01:00] <skreet> my ISP sent a friend of mine an E-Mail asking him to stop his BitTorrent
[01:00] <skreet> hahaha.
[01:00] <nihil_> hey, anyone uses rxvt-unicode console ?
[01:00] <jester45> lol
[01:00] <jester45> thats great
[01:01] <skreet> DMZ'd client = packet sniffing without worries.
[01:01] <LeeJunFan> I know 2 people who have gotten warning letters from lawyers.
[01:01] <skreet> I guess.
[01:01] <jester45> i like thepiratebay's threat letters and the responses
[01:02] <Raz`> This may seem like a stupid question, but most linux sites assume you know how to install linux programs. .bz2, .gz file, packages file?
[01:03] <jester45> one was this lawer for microsoft it was like 400 pages long  and they replyed with   so what
[01:03] <LeeJunFan> Raz`: kind of - at least how to untarr/zip them, most of them have a README file with installation instructions.
[01:03] <LeeJunFan> after you get it untarred.
[01:04] <jester45> i hate the errors whe installing
[01:04] <jester45> such an inconvenience
[01:05] <jester45> well im going to that friends house to ask him about my storage delema probly have to get a few more 500GBers
[01:05] <Raz`> This has no readme :(
[01:06] <lupine_85> INSTALL ?
[01:06] <jester45> cd to the folder type sudo ./configure && make
[01:06] <jester45> or something like that
[01:06] <LeeJunFan> !build
[01:06] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[01:07] <LeeJunFan> Raz`: see what ubotu says ^^
[01:07] <jester45> dont listen to me
[01:19] <cr4sh0v3rr1d3> does anyone in here know if it is possible to take a wireless connection, send it out through my network card and into a dlink router?
[01:20] <cr4sh0v3rr1d3> via a bridge
[01:20] <LeeJunFan> cr4sh0v3rr1d3: so you are saying your computer is connected to a wireless network, and from there you want to connect to a dlink router so other people can use it as well?
[01:21] <cr4sh0v3rr1d3> yes
[01:21] <cr4sh0v3rr1d3> exactly
[01:21] <lupine_85> cr4sh0v3rr1d3: enable ip forwarding and you're away
[01:22] <LeeJunFan> yeah, there are many ways you could go about that.
[01:22] <cr4sh0v3rr1d3> do i need a crossover or will a straight through cable work?
[01:22] <cr4sh0v3rr1d3> from my computer back to the router\
[01:22] <LeeJunFan> the dlink probably auto senses so either one would work. Most new NIC's will as well.
[01:22] <lupine_85> assuming: 1) that the D-link router supports static routing; 2) that the D-link and the WAP are on different subnets; and 3) that you want to use static addressing (otherwise install a DHCP server on the linux PC)
[01:23] <lupine_85> oh, and you'd need to specify your PC as the default route in the WAP
[01:23] <LeeJunFan> you will also need to either use NAT or proxy_arp.
[01:24] <lupine_85> easier would be to buy an Atheros card, put it in your PC and use it as the AP
[01:24] <lupine_85> LeeJunFan: good point :). /me has public IPs all the way
[01:24] <cr4sh0v3rr1d3> yeah i just got a prism2 card
[01:24] <cr4sh0v3rr1d3> it was supposed to work as an access point
[01:24] <lupine_85> hostpad?
[01:25] <LeeJunFan> cr4sh0v3rr1d3: it can, but it can't be in managed and master mode at the same time - like atheros with madwifi-ng can.
[01:26] <cr4sh0v3rr1d3> ahhh, any recommendation for a good atheros card?
[01:27] <LeeJunFan> I don't know that the atheros are available in any form other than minipci to be honest.
[01:27] <LeeJunFan> which would be internal to a laptop or desktop.
[01:27] <LeeJunFan> you can make it work with the prism just fine the way you want.
[01:28] <LeeJunFan> First - have you connected to the internet with the wireless network?
[01:28] <jacob_> I am having a problem with my screen res. any one help?
[01:28] <cr4sh0v3rr1d3> yes
[01:28] <cr4sh0v3rr1d3> on it right now, LeeJunFan
[01:28] <LeeJunFan> cr4sh0v3rr1d3: and have you setup a network on eth0 for the dlink yet?
[01:29] <cr4sh0v3rr1d3> LeeJunFan,  not yet
[01:29] <cr4sh0v3rr1d3> i have the cable plugged in
[01:29] <cr4sh0v3rr1d3> and the router powered on
[01:30] <LeeJunFan> cr4sh0v3rr1d3: okay, you'll want to 'man interfaces' to learn how to configure the /etc/network/interfaces file for your eth0, you'll need to setup a LAN network on it with private IP addresses.
[01:30] <brandon_> how do I get adamantix through adept?
[01:31] <LeeJunFan> ie. eth0 should be 192.168.10.1 netmask 255.255.255.0, the dlink can have the WAN interface configured as 192.168.10.2 with the default gateway being 192.168.10.1
[01:32] <LeeJunFan> once you can ping the dlink router at 192.168.10.2, then you need to enable forwarding on the linux box and setup NAT to translate the address of outgoing traffic.
[01:32] <LeeJunFan> And that should do it.
[01:32] <brandon_> I can't find adamantix on adept
[01:33] <MasterEvil`Lapto> okay i got my vncserver stuff worked out. I set it up to where i can launch it with an icon on desktop.. how can i keep it open? It seems to act like it's trying to load but then it just exits??
[01:33] <Hawkwind> brandon_: What is adamantix ?
[01:33] <LeeJunFan> brandon_: never heard of it.
[01:33] <cr4sh0v3rr1d3> LeeJunFan,  thanks a bunch man, appreciate it, ill give it a shot. also...
[01:33] <D4rkly> if i mount my xp drive using sudo mount its owned by root, can i mount a drive thats owned by user ?
[01:33] <Hawkwind> D4rkly: If it's set properly in fstab you can
[01:34] <cr4sh0v3rr1d3> ive setup a wired bridge with firestarter before, would you recommend manually over using that?
[01:34] <D4rkly> i didnt want to use fstab
[01:34] <brandon_> umm... it's a program that goes to the websites and downloads the things you need and installs them, all you do is click the box and it leaves a checkmark and downloads it
[01:34] <Jucato> brandon_: I think you mean automatix
[01:34] <Jucato> !automatix > brandon_
[01:34] <LeeJunFan> D4rkly: mount -ouid=[username]  /dev/[device]  /mountpoint
[01:34] <cr4sh0v3rr1d3> leejunfan, wouldnt firestarter take care of the nat translation?
[01:34] <brandon_> aww... I'm so stuoppid
[01:34] <D4rkly> thanx :)
[01:34] <brandon_> lol, I can't even spell stupid
[01:35] <LeeJunFan> cr4sh0v3rr1d3: not sure, I've never used it.
[01:35] <cr4sh0v3rr1d3> ahh ok, thanks again LeeJunFan
[01:35] <Jucato> brandon_: check the link that the channel bot PM'ed you :)
[01:35] <sureshot>  brandon are you from hillsboro ohio
[01:35] <LeeJunFan> np
[01:35] <rawr> when i go to display it won't let me change the res even when loged as admin any one know how to fix it?
[01:37] <LeeJunFan> !xorg
[01:37] <ubotu> x is the X Window System; it's the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type this in a console: sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  -  To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[01:38] <LeeJunFan> rawr: ^^
[01:38] <rawr> thanks
[01:39] <rawr> i hate having a large screen thats to large to operate....
[01:39] <LeeJunFan> cr4sh0v3rr1d3: btw - bridging and wireless don't mix.
[01:40] <LeeJunFan> cr4sh0v3rr1d3: so you need to do NAT / routing. The MAC layer of the wireless card will likely not allow "mac spoofing", which is needed for ethernet layer bridging.
[01:41] <cr4sh0v3rr1d3> LeeJunFan, ahh ok i had tried that before and it gave me problems, no wonder
[01:41] <cr4sh0v3rr1d3> ill just set it up the nat way
[01:42] <LeeJunFan> cr4sh0v3rr1d3: yeah, it's less headache, some day if you are ambitious or _need_ real world IP's you can look into using proxy_arp instead of bridging, it basically has the same effect.
[01:45] <rawr> that was werid....
[01:45] <rawr> i typed in that sudo command to restart the x server i htink
[01:45] <rawr> and it just gos crazy........ and crashs
[01:46] <LeeJunFan> rawr: I take it you aren't on the machine with the x problems?
[01:46] <rawr> nope i am on it.
[01:47] <rawr> I think i read somthing about it crashing due to my viedo card
[01:47] <rawr> it don't restart or switch users either
[01:47] <LeeJunFan> rawr: can you pastbin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file? and what resolution are you trying to achieve?
[01:47] <rawr> 1. how? N00b. 2. not sure smaller.
[01:48] <LeeJunFan> !paste
[01:48] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[01:48] <lcohen> hi all, I have a Dell 700m, everything works fine, but I cannot seem to get my Fn-ESC key to work (it is mapped to standby by the laptop) where would I assign the key?  thanks
[01:48] <LeeJunFan> rawr: open the file like 'kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf' ctrl-a to select all - ctrl-c to copy, then paste it at the address ubotu just post above for pastebin.
[01:49] <rawr> kk
[01:50] <LeeJunFan> rawr: so the display is actually larger than the screen? ie. you move the mouse to the edge of the screen and it scrolls the desktop?
[01:50] <rawr> just xorg.config not xorg config 1 and 2
[01:50] <LeeJunFan> rawr: no, just xorg.conf
[01:50] <rawr> kk
[01:51] <rawr> it fits i just like being able to config stuff.
[01:51] <Raz`> Anyone recommend a good C++ IDE for Ubuntu? I'm getting errors on every one I try to compile :(
[01:52] <LeeJunFan> rawr: are you trying to make the resolution higher or lower? -ie, higher would mean more room on the desktop - everything smaller, or lower resolution == desktop area smaller, icons and text bigger?
[01:52] <rawr> paste bin ded
[01:52] <rawr> ahh  higher.
[01:54] <Raz`> where do I get package gtk+-2.0?
[01:54] <LeeJunFan> rawr: okay, looking at your file - the Section "Screen" contains the line that defines what resolutions will be used. you have a virtual of 1400 1050, if you resolution is higher than that then you will get the scrolling effect I talked about.
[01:54] <LeeJunFan> rawr: but look at your modes line are all the modes your X is configured to use, the leftmost one is what it will boot too.
[01:55] <LeeJunFan> rawr: ctrl-alt-+ or crtl-alt- - on your numeric keypad with switch through those listed resolutions.
[01:55] <LeeJunFan> rawr: to change the default resolution it boots in - that one needs to be moved to the front "leftmost" of the modes line.
[01:56] <Sanne> Raz`: from your package manager. Search for it with: apt-cache search libgtk2.0
[01:56] <rawr> I see
[01:58] <dek> anybody here uses LaTeX?
[01:59] <Zaire> no my girlfriend had a headache lol
[02:00] <rawr> I think its good that people help other people.
[02:00] <rawr> Insted of relying upon people payed to do it
[02:00] <LeeJunFan> that's kind of what linux is about.
[02:00] <Zaire> I would if I could but I myself have a question lol
[02:00] <joscha> is a backport repo availble for Dapper/Knot?
[02:00] <rawr> humanity for others.
[02:00] <crimsun> joscha: yes, dapper-backports
[02:01] <Zaire> which is does anyone know if its possible to convert a .rpm to a .deb
[02:01] <crimsun> Zaire: alien
[02:01] <LeeJunFan> !alien
[02:01] <ubotu> rpm is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous).
[02:01] <Zaire> hmmm dangerous ....sounds like my everyday computer use lol thanks crimsun
[02:02] <powermac> i've used it, necer had a problem
[02:02] <Sanne> Zaire: but first search the repositories if the package isn't already in the repositories
[02:02] <Zaire> it is I just got it with apt lol
[02:02] <Sanne> heh
[02:02] <joscha> thank you crimsun
[02:02] <Zaire> I work fast lol
[02:03] <powermac> is there a PDF creater/maker for ubuntu?
[02:04] <LeeJunFan> powermac: you can print to pdf from pretty much any application.
[02:04] <powermac> like on a mac?
[02:05] <joscha> print - pdfprinter ;)
[02:05] <LeeJunFan> powermac: I dunno....
[02:05] <LeeJunFan> powermac: so openoffice, gimp, inkscape, etc... all pdf creation utils.
[02:05] <powermac> mac os x you choose print, then there is an option to save as PDF rather than to print
[02:05] <LeeJunFan> powermac: same on linux.
[02:05] <LeeJunFan> at least on kde.
[02:05] <powermac> excelent
[02:05] <joscha> powermac: on kde there is a virtual printer which saves the file as an pdf
[02:06] <[Relic] > Hello :)
[02:07] <Sanne> powermac: another way is to print to file (*.ps), and then convert it to pdf by ps2pdf
[02:07] <rawr> Ahhh just rembered why i hated windows today.
[02:08] <rawr> The laggyness....
[02:08] <Zaire> how bout its windows that one works for me lol
[02:08] <[Relic] > it's not lagging it is just busy since it can't do 2 things at once  :)
[02:08] <rawr> Its horrid. so i vandelized a public computers desktop. Winblows Also sucks
[02:09] <Raz`> I can't access my USB stick, says only root can mount it. How do I fix that?
[02:09] <Zaire> would be funny to change the boot skin to that lol
[02:09] <rawr> XD
[02:09] <cr4sh0v3rr1d3> LeeJunFan,  know of any quick howtos on ip forwarding and nat?  i can ping back and forth now
[02:09] <joscha> crimsun: is the backport directory empty or is just the de.archive..... mirror outdated
[02:10] <powermac> Raz: open konsole, go to root (sudo -s)
[02:10] <powermac> then type "konqueror"
[02:10] <Raz`> done
[02:10] <LeeJunFan> cr4sh0v3rr1d3: "sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1" turns on forwarding man sysctl - to set permanently edit /etc/sysctl.conf
[02:10] <powermac> konqueror will open with root privledges
[02:11] <rawr> whats the diffrence from kdesu and su -?
[02:11] <crimsun> joscha: it definitely exists and has packages.
[02:11] <rawr> i use  kdesu all the time.
[02:11] <LeeJunFan> cr4sh0v3rr1d3: actually you should probably check the how-to's on tldp.org
[02:11] <Jucato> !kdesu
[02:11] <ubotu> In KDE, use kdesu to run graphical applications with root priveleges when you have to. Do *not* do sudo {GUIAPP}; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[02:11] <Raz`> I have to do that every time I open it?
[02:11] <powermac> then go find your USB stick mount point and right click on it and choose mount
[02:11] <Raz`> I can't set it so that it doesn't need root permission?
[02:12] <rawr> I think thers a group for that
[02:12] <powermac> you hvae to edit the fstab file
[02:12] <powermac> not really sure what to put though!
[02:13] <Sanne> joscha: this is my line for dapper backports from the de archive in my sources.list: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24012
[02:13] <LeeJunFan> cr4sh0v3rr1d3: hrm, maybe there isn't much useful info there on iptables after all. anyway iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s [ip of dlink]  -j MASQUERADE
[02:14] <LeeJunFan> cr4sh0v3rr1d3: will get it going, along with turning on forwarding.
[02:14] <rawr> you can learn alot by just watching.........
[02:14] <rawr> others helping others.
[02:16] <Zaire> I learn by breaking it lol
[02:17] <rawr> Experince prevents mistakes
[02:17] <rawr> but experise comes from making thouse mistakes
[02:17] <[Relic] > unless it is political experience and then it increases them
[02:17] <rawr> XD
[02:18] <Zaire> so how do you use alien?
[02:18] <rawr> i have learned that there is 2 things  you must never talk about if not to offend someone
[02:18] <LeeJunFan> Zaire: man alien
[02:18] <rawr> religion and politics.
[02:18] <LeeJunFan> Zaire: basically alien -d [rpm file] 
[02:18] <MasterEvil`Lapto> rawr: and gnome vs kde
[02:18] <Zaire> ah ic thanks lol
[02:19] <Zaire> yea cause kde is obviously superior lol
[02:19] <rawr> Gnome is good but it just freaks me out.
[02:19] <MasterEvilAce> KD EROX
[02:19] <rawr> i am like wheres all my setting buttons aahhhhh
[02:19] <Zaire> gnomes are evil lol
[02:19] <MasterEvilAce> although i like the orange of gnome
[02:19] <rawr> kde owns
[02:19] <dek> anyone here uses LaTeX?
[02:19] <Zaire> I agree lol
[02:19] <MasterEvilAce> condoms?
[02:19] <dek> no
[02:20] <Zaire> yeps trojans magnums lol
[02:20] <rawr> but i am thinking about using the thingy for xubuntu
[02:20] <dek> the TeX macros
[02:20] <rawr> on my old cpu
[02:20] <[Relic] > if we can't talk politics and religion; change the subject to how to get a webcam with an omni vision chip set to work in kubuntu  :)
[02:20] <cr4sh0v3rr1d3> LeeJunFan,  ok i entered those commands, computer connected through routher cannot route past gateway
[02:21] <cr4sh0v3rr1d3> do i need anything special, in hosts, or network?
[02:21] <LeeJunFan> cr4sh0v3rr1d3: on a machine that is connected to the dlink - can you ping the IP of eth0 on your linux box?
[02:22] <cr4sh0v3rr1d3> LeeJunFan, nope doesnt look like it
[02:22] <joscha> Sanne: thank you
[02:22] <Zaire> oh yea anyone know how to get transparent windows in fluxbox?
[02:22] <cr4sh0v3rr1d3> LeeJunFan, might i need a crossover cable
[02:22] <Sanne> joscha: you're welcome
[02:22] <cr4sh0v3rr1d3> LeeJunFan, this is an older 500mhz ibook
[02:22] <LeeJunFan> cr4sh0v3rr1d3: what IP is the linux eth0? and what IP did you give the dlink WAN interface?
[02:23] <LeeJunFan> cr4sh0v3rr1d3: maybe, on the linux box run 'ethtool eth0' and see if it says yes by link detected.
[02:23] <Dragnslcr> Anybody happen to have the md5sums for the 6.06 DVD isos?
[02:24] <cr4sh0v3rr1d3> LeeJunFan, linux 192.168.10.1 dlink 192.168.10.2
[02:24] <cr4sh0v3rr1d3> link detected
[02:24] <LeeJunFan> cr4sh0v3rr1d3: ok, what IP addresses are in use on the LAN side of the dlink?
[02:25] <cr4sh0v3rr1d3> only 1 192.168.100.1
[02:25] <cr4sh0v3rr1d3> err .0.100
[02:26] <[Relic] > does anyone actually know how to get ovamship to function properly and read the USB info from the cwebam and microphone or at least the webcam?
[02:26] <[Relic] > ovcamchip  :)
[02:26] <cr4sh0v3rr1d3> shoud i change the lan ips the router distributes to a different range?
[02:26] <LeeJunFan> cr4sh0v3rr1d3: no, shouldn't matter.
[02:26] <rawr> I just noticed.................
[02:26] <Zaire> the rpm I needed to convert was vmware....why can't people just all get with it and use .deb :S
[02:26] <rawr> my flash don't work i got from easy ubutnu.
[02:26] <rawr> thats gay.
[02:27] <cr4sh0v3rr1d3> LeeJunFan, yeah thats what i figured..
[02:27] <cr4sh0v3rr1d3> hmmmm
[02:27] <LeeJunFan> cr4sh0v3rr1d3: you should certainly be able to ping the 192.168.10.1 from the machine at 192.168.0.100
[02:28] <LeeJunFan> cr4sh0v3rr1d3: can you at least ping 192.168.0.1 (I assume that's the dlink's lan addy) from 192.168.0.100?
[02:28] <joscha> Zaire: vmweare-player is in the repos
[02:28] <joscha> or do you need vmware-server?
[02:28] <cr4sh0v3rr1d3> LeeJunFan, ok looks like now it IS pinging
[02:28] <Zaire> well I was gonna use it to try windows but a server app wouldn't be half bad either
[02:29] <LeeJunFan> cr4sh0v3rr1d3: pinging the linux IP? 192.168.10.1?
[02:29] <cr4sh0v3rr1d3> LeeJunFan, yep, its working now
[02:29] <cr4sh0v3rr1d3> can ping linux ip
[02:29] <LeeJunFan> cr4sh0v3rr1d3: okay, can you get to the internet from it?
[02:29] <cr4sh0v3rr1d3> nope, it wont ping domains or other ips
[02:30] <Zaire> the one I was trying to get was workstation
[02:31] <cr4sh0v3rr1d3> so close...
[02:31] <LeeJunFan> cr4sh0v3rr1d3: you tried an IP address or just a host/domain name? we aren't up to trying names yet :)
[02:31] <rawr> I take it setting up networks is a pain the the @ss
[02:32] <Zaire> yeps lol
[02:32] <LeeJunFan> this is kind of complicated one.
[02:32] <rawr> I see
[02:32] <cr4sh0v3rr1d3> LeeJunFan,  I tried an ip
[02:32] <cr4sh0v3rr1d3> no ips either.
[02:32] <cr4sh0v3rr1d3> :(
[02:32] <Zaire> now how do I use vmware player?
[02:33] <rawr> vmware  don't that let you boot windows from linux?
[02:33] <Zaire> any OS you install on it
[02:34] <rawr> I see
[02:34] <Zaire> setting a static IP to a server is easy just ....sudo ifconfig <device"eth0"> "IP"
[02:34] <LeeJunFan> cr4sh0v3rr1d3: on phone, bbiab.
[02:34] <cr4sh0v3rr1d3> LeeJunFan, ok cool thanks
[02:36] <MasterEvilAce> ok. what the monkey lover. Firefox is displaying some HUGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGE fonts
[02:37] <rawr> try holding ctrl and moving the scroll wheel
[02:38] <rawr> tends to adjust fonts for me at least in firefox.
[02:38] <MasterEvilAce> yeah i set the text size to normal
[02:38] <MasterEvilAce> it's like.. some pages are normal
[02:38] <rawr> that works.
[02:38] <MasterEvilAce> others are RIDICULOUS
[02:38] <rawr> very much so
[02:38] <MasterEvilAce> google.com fonts are fine. evilavatar.com the text in news articles is HUGE. like 4x as big as firefox in windows
[02:39] <MasterEvilAce> maybe i should just get used to konqueror
[02:39] <rawr> I tend to\use konqueror more than firefox.
[02:40] <LeeJunFan> cr4sh0v3rr1d3: okay, well either forwarding isn't working, or iptables isn't. did you run 'sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1' or just edit /etc/sysctl.conf?
[02:40] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato or Hawkwind are you by any chance werking on Hardware Database for Ubuntu?
[02:40] <Admiral_Chicago> on Edgy
[02:40] <carlos> Hi, everyone! I am from Brazil and I have a question: How ou where can I find a text about how to use a camcorder as a webcam on linux, especially on kubuntu?
[02:42] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: nope. I think that's Riddel's project?
[02:43] <cr4sh0v3rr1d3> LeeJunFan, neither of those, just entered the iptables commands
[02:43] <cr4sh0v3rr1d3> LeeJunFan, could be the problem eh, haha
[02:43] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato, it is, but its not in the repons
[02:44] <Admiral_Chicago> repos*
[02:44] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: in Edgy?
[02:44] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato, i needed to grab a package off his page
[02:45] <Admiral_Chicago> http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/hwdb/
[02:46] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: I think that's for Edgy. the hwdb in Dapper is GNOME/GTK-based, afaik
[02:46] <Admiral_Chicago> it is now Kubuntu availbale
[02:46] <LeeJunFan> carlos: that kind of depends on the camera itself. Are you connecting to it with firewire or usb?
[02:46] <Admiral_Chicago> of GTK 4 iirc
[02:46] <rawr> strange..... adept don't seem to want to open.....
[02:47] <cr4sh0v3rr1d3> LeeJunFan, we have Ips now!
[02:47] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: hwdb for Kubuntu comes with Edgy.
[02:47] <Admiral_Chicago> base?
[02:47] <Admiral_Chicago> nothing sperial needed?
[02:47] <Jucato> !hwdb-client-common edgy
[02:47] <ubotu> hwdb-client-common: common files for Ubuntu Hardware Database client. In component main, is optional. Version 0.6-0ubuntu14 (edgy), package size 80 kB, installed size 292 kB
[02:47] <carlos> I tried do connect on both of them. I tried on firewire and, after this, on usb.
[02:48] <Admiral_Chicago> how do i run it then?
[02:48] <LeeJunFan> cr4sh0v3rr1d3: okay, you probably need to set the dlink nameservers to be the same as what is listed in /etc/resolv.conf on your linux routerbox.
[02:48] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: hold on, starting VMWare
[02:48] <rawr> I learned the other day not to try puting hardrives where cd drives go.
[02:48] <LeeJunFan> cr4sh0v3rr1d3: then it should hand those out via DHCP to the machine on the LAN side of the dlink. you will have to release and renew on the dlink connected computer afterward to get it to update the dns settings.
[02:50] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: strange, I thought it would be in the menus
[02:50] <LeeJunFan> carlos: if the camera is supported as a video device on usb it should automatically work, with firewire you may have better luck - it's been a long time, but there's a video4linux webpage that might help. gimme a sec...
[02:51] <cr4sh0v3rr1d3> LeeJunFan, hey man thanks alot, we are up and browsing now
[02:51] <cr4sh0v3rr1d3> props to LeeJunFan
[02:51] <carlos> LeeJunFan, thank you too much! I shall wait.
[02:51] <rawr> Yay
[02:51] <rawr> someone wins
[02:51] <rawr> gag.
[02:51] <cr4sh0v3rr1d3> lol
[02:51] <rawr> i hope your not both dudes ...
[02:52] <cr4sh0v3rr1d3> haha
[02:52] <rawr> i would have to smack you if so.
[02:52] <lcohen> Hi all, does anyone know how to get my Dell Fn key working in Kubuntu?
[02:52] <LeeJunFan> that doesn't really mean anything.
[02:53] <rawr> I want a beard.
[02:53] <rawr> thus i shave XD
[02:53] <cr4sh0v3rr1d3> ehhh i stopped shaving a couple years ago
[02:53] <rawr> yay shlops
[02:54] <carlos> LeeJunFan, my camcorder is a JVC 93. I do not know if it is suported as a video4linux device. How can I discover about?
[02:54] <LeeJunFan> carlos: http://linux.bytesex.org/v4l2/
[02:54] <Blissex> carlos: most if not all DV devices are supported, and most recent camcorders are DV.
[02:55] <LeeJunFan> carlos: I think there's a driver that will get the firewire to act as a video4linux device, but I can't remember. I could swear I did it once.
[02:56] <LeeJunFan> carlos, Blissex: that's what I was thinking, if it's firewire it might just work if you modprobe dv ?
[02:56] <ubuntu> hola!
[02:56] <Blissex> LeeJunFan: allegedly :-)
[02:56] <Blissex> LeeJunFan: and it would be 'modprobe dv1394'
[02:57] <ubuntu> hbiviuyigihjuijum
[02:57] <ubuntu> oooo
[02:57] <ubuntu> oooo
[02:57] <ubuntu> oooo
[02:57] <ubuntu> oooo
[02:57] <ubuntu> oooo
[02:57] <ubuntu> oooo
[02:57] <ubuntu> oooo
[02:57] <ubuntu> oooo
[02:57] <ubuntu> oooo
[02:57] <LeeJunFan> stop
[02:57] <Jucato> Hawkwind: ping
[02:57] <ubuntu> ok
[02:57] <ubuntu> hi
[02:57] <Jucato> nvm
[02:57] <Jucato> please don't flood the channel
[02:58] <ubuntu> oka
[02:58] <DaNaAe> alguien habla espaol por aki ???
[02:59] <Hawkwind> !es
[02:59] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[03:02] <LeeJunFan> carlos: looks like a no go: http://www.linux1394.org/video1394.php
[03:02] <rawr> yummmmm
[03:02] <LeeJunFan> carlos: There are no Video4Linux drivers for Digital Camera video or DV on ieee1394. Instead, one must use a user-space program in conjunction with the vloopback Video4Linux driver.
[03:02] <rawr> steak sandwhich with yoshima cracked peper sauce and potatos
[03:04] <rawr> tenderness,.....
[03:06] <ref> hello all
[03:06] <ref> does anyone tried to run pptpconfig in edgy?
[03:07] <rawr> gag adept is not working......
[03:07] <rawr> !paste
[03:07] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[03:07] <rawr> oh wait
[03:07] <rawr> yea il pastebin it'
[03:08] <rawr> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24045
[03:08] <carlos> LeeJunFan and Blissex, as a matter of fact, I would like to use my camcorder on programs like AMSN 0.95 or Kopete. I know that they are used well by webcam. I myself have used a webcam, but I would like to use my camcorder because it is better than a simple webcam. Is it possible?
[03:09] <Jucato> rawr: why are you in root?
[03:09] <Jucato> don't login as root, then run "kdesu adept"
[03:09] <rawr> yea i di run a root shell
[03:09] <Hawkwind> You're not supposed to
[03:10] <rawr> il give the error messagve when not in root
[03:11] <rawr> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24046
[03:12] <LeeJunFan> carlos: judging by the what it says on the link I posted above - it isn't. :(
[03:12] <rufsketch1_> hey all
[03:12] <Jucato> rawr: ignore those errors
[03:13] <LeeJunFan> unless you can get the videoloopback thing working they mention.
[03:13] <Jucato> rawr: Adept still launches, right?
[03:13] <rawr> its not running though.
[03:13] <rufsketch1_> i was trying to set up a printer on a newly installed kubuntu system
[03:13] <rawr> nope
[03:13] <rufsketch1_> using CUPS
[03:13] <rufsketch1_> but it asks for a username and password via a popup window
[03:13] <rufsketch1_> as there is no root in kubuntu
[03:13] <rufsketch1_> what am i to put in these dialogs?
[03:13] <rawr> adept installer dos though
[03:13] <rawr> but adept its self don't launch
[03:14] <Jucato> rawr: even when launching from the command line? or only when launching from the K Menu?
[03:14] <rawr> i have tryed both.
[03:14] <rawr> il try k menu again though
[03:15] <rawr> nope no laucnh
[03:15] <rufsketch1_> can anyone be of any help?
[03:15] <rufsketch1_> !CUPS
[03:15] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[03:15] <Jucato> hm.. that's strange. but I dn't think it has anything to do with those error messages
[03:16] <rawr> verry strange
[03:17] <rawr> perhaps editing xorg has something to do with ti
[03:17] <rufsketch1_> hellloooooooooo?
[03:17] <rufsketch1_> can anyone help me with cups?
[03:17] <Snake> HELOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooo
[03:17] <rufsketch1_> snake:  i just installed kubuntu
[03:18] <rufsketch1_> and i'm slightly annoyed by the lack of a root account
[03:18] <rawr> If someone  is going to help you they will.
[03:18] <Snake> rufsketch1_, sudo -s .... enjoy...
[03:18] <rufsketch1_> i'm trying to install an hp printer using cups
[03:18] <Snake> rufsketch1_, but I dont know anything about cups :(
[03:18] <rufsketch1_> snake: i can't, cups is a GUI app
[03:18] <Admiral_Chicago> rufsketch1_, did you try system setting
[03:19] <rufsketch1_> Admiral_Chicago: what do you mean?
[03:19] <Admiral_Chicago> look in system settings -- printer
[03:19] <rufsketch1_> no no
[03:20] <rufsketch1_> i need to install it first
[03:20] <rufsketch1_> but when cups asks me for a username and password
[03:20] <rufsketch1_> via a popup window
[03:20] <rufsketch1_> what am i supposed to type in it
[03:20] <ironfroggy> what is the best way to get python 2.5 installed properly? im guessing its not in apt for a while?
[03:20] <rufsketch1_> normally i would type in root as user name and the root pass
[03:20] <rufsketch1_> but those don't exist so.....
[03:20] <Admiral_Chicago> rufsketch1_, kubuntu can install it automatically
[03:20] <rawr> ahh well i am bored think i may just boot windows to play C&C generals
[03:21] <rufsketch1_> well i'm not familiar with that process, and i'd like to know for future referance how it's done
[03:21] <rawr> NIght everyone.
[03:21] <rufsketch1_> Admiral_Chicago:  is it even possible?
[03:21] <Admiral_Chicago> rufsketch1_, to do whatL
[03:21] <Zaire> how do you get transparent windows in fluxbox?
[03:22] <rufsketch1_> to gain root access via a gui when asked for the root name and pass?
[03:22] <Admiral_Chicago> rufsketch1_, yes, type kdesu <command> in the "run command" in K menu
[03:23] <rufsketch1_> Admiral_Chicago: thats not what i mean
[03:23] <rufsketch1_> an actual window pops up, it has a box for my username, and one for my password
[03:23] <rufsketch1_> it wants the root username
[03:23] <rufsketch1_> and the root password
[03:23] <rufsketch1_> what do i type here?
[03:24] <__mikem> sudo passwd root
[03:25] <rufsketch1_> __mikem: where do i type that?
[03:25] <rufsketch1_> in the username box?
[03:25] <__mikem> you type that in a shell
[03:26] <LeeJunFan> rufsketch1_: no , at a shell - konsole. To set a root password.
[03:26] <rufsketch1_> oh
[03:26] <rufsketch1_> cool
[03:26] <rufsketch1_> so that will make a root password and account?
[03:26] <LeeJunFan> rufsketch1_: yes, the account is there, it's just disabled, setting a password with the passwd command will activate it.
[03:27] <Zaire> ls
[03:27] <rufsketch1_> oic
[03:27] <rufsketch1_> kool
[03:27] <Zaire> damn wrong window
[03:27] <rufsketch1_> thnx
[03:27] <Zaire> lol
[03:27] <LeeJunFan> although I've not needed root enabled for anything, you really should avoid it.
[03:27] <LeeJunFan> owell.
[03:28] <LeeJunFan> see - give a guy a root account and "Connection Reset"!
[03:28] <Jucato> lol
[03:28] <Jucato> morning Hobbsee!
[03:29] <LeeJunFan> Ugh, well if Hobbsee is here, I'm leaving....
[03:29] <LeeJunFan> :) no really - I gotta run to the store :p
[03:29] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato
[03:29] <Hobbsee> :P
[03:31] <draik> Jucato!
[03:31] <Jucato> hi draik!! :)
[03:31] <Ekkostorm_> Would this be a place I can get some support?
[03:31] <Admiral_Chicago> Ekkostorm, it sure is
[03:32] <Ekkostorm> K... This is going to sound noob, but it is the only thing in Kubuntu I haven't figured out how to do...
[03:32] <Ekkostorm> I have a scanner, a Canon FB630P to be exact.  I can't figure out how to get it installed...
[03:32] <Ekkostorm> I looked around in Kooka, and could find anything...
[03:32] <Ekkostorm> Am I missing something?
[03:34] <Ekkostorm> or is there documentation I'm missing?
[03:34] <Jucato> wb Hobbsee
[03:35] <Admiral_Chicago> Ekkostorm, i have no idea
[03:35] <Admiral_Chicago> you try the forums?
[03:35] <Ekkostorm> LOL...
[03:35] <Ekkostorm> I've been combing the forums...
[03:35] <Ekkostorm> Sallright...
[03:36] <Ekkostorm> I'll figure it out...
[03:36] <cpk2> Ekkostorm: does it show up is lsusb?
[03:36] <cpk2> assuming its connected by usb
[03:37] <Ekkostorm> oops... just threw a term past me I don't know...
[03:37] <Ekkostorm> and it is actually a parallel scanner
[03:38] <Ekkostorm> can I run lsusb from the terminal?
[03:39] <cpk2> Ekkostorm: yes
[03:39] <cpk2> but lsusb is for usb devices
[03:39] <cpk2> i suppose lshw might show what is in the parallel port
[03:39] <Ekkostorm> oh... okay... I see the usb devices..
[03:40] <Kr4t05> !games
[03:40] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php
[03:41] <cpk2> if it at least shows up in lshw then you will have something to go from
[03:41] <cpk2> if you dont even pick up the scanner then i would imagine that it might be quite a bit of work
[03:41] <Thorrn4> hello everyone, I have a little problem, I hid the top of the konqueror menu that says: FILE and HELP and such, how can I get it back?
[03:42] <Ekkostorm> hmm...
[03:42] <Ekkostorm> it's interesting.... I switched to Kubuntu from Mandriva because Kubuntu is easier to use...  But installing the scanner was the one thing Mandriva didn't have a problem with...
[03:43] <cpk2> Ekkostorm: you might just not know the "Easy way" =P
[03:44] <abattoir> Thorrn4: Ctrl+M
[03:45] <Ekkostorm> And the hunt goes on...
[03:45] <Ekkostorm> :)
[03:46] <Thorrn4> ty so much abattoir!!
[03:46] <cpk2> the problem might be because its on the parallel port
[03:46] <abattoir> Thorrn4: np :)
[03:46] <cpk2> i mean who uses parallel these days!
[03:46] <Thorrn4> I was wondering abattoirdo u kno a repo that has xchat?
[03:47] <Thorrn4> are there other repos that can be added?
[03:47] <Zaire> ugh parallel gross lol
[03:47] <Thorrn4> I just installed it
[03:47] <Ekkostorm> LOL... I know... I just haven't gotten around to getting a usb scanner yet...
[03:48] <cpk2> !repos
[03:48] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[03:50] <Ekkostorm> Here's something... does anyone have any experience with sane?
[03:50] <cpk2> !sane
[03:50] <ubotu> sane: scanner graphical frontends. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.14-1 (dapper), package size 103 kB, installed size 324 kB
[03:51] <cpk2> you would still need to get it to recognize your scanner probably
[03:51] <Ekkostorm> If you have the driver portion, you may be able to install it...
[03:52] <cpk2> well there you go
[03:56] <Parkotron> Where can I find the w32codecs .deb? The cipherfunk.org repository seems to be dead?
[03:56] <Parkotron> !w32codecs
[03:56] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:57] <NeoSaki> !xorg
[03:57] <ubotu> x is the X Window System; it's the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type this in a console: sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  -  To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[03:57] <NeoSaki> !xorgconf
[03:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xorgconf - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:57] <NeoSaki> anyone know where the xorg.conf is located in kubuntu?
[03:57] <NeoSaki> !xorg.conf
[03:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xorg.conf - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:58] <cpk2> NeoSaki: /etc/X11
[03:59] <NeoSaki> thx
[03:59] <NeoSaki> i was using /etc/x11
[04:00] <tony_> hi
[04:00] <tony_> dose anyone got experiance with KXDOCKER ??
[04:08] <Xanith> could someone possibly walk me through how to mount my digital camera?
[04:10] <Zaire> I would but I can't remember how I mounted mine lol
[04:11] <Xanith> lol well ur no help...
[04:11] <Xanith> haha just kiddin
[04:11] <Thorrn4> Is there a kubuntu repo that has mplayer?
[04:12] <Jucato> !mplayer
[04:12] <ubotu> mplayer is a media player. Enable multiverse repo and type sudo apt-get install mplayer for more info please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer  To compile it from source see:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer/Compile
[04:12] <ubotu> For Codecs try !codecs Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MplayerInstallHowto for installation tips.
[04:12] <kutan> Can someone tell me how to install "make"? :\
[04:12] <Jucato> kutan: install the package "build-essential"
[04:13] <kutan> It's you again!
[04:13] <kutan> lol
[04:13] <Jucato> heh
[04:13] <Zaire> start menu thingy kinfo center and devices takes you to the area I think you need to be in
[04:13] <Xanith> so anyone know how to mount my digital camera?
[04:13] <Jucato> Zaire: start menu thingy = K Menu :P
[04:14] <Zaire> !usb
[04:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about usb - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:14] <Zaire> I can't remember the command for mounting usb devices either :S
[04:16] <Zaire> can anyone tell me how I can run vmware player once its installed?
[04:17] <Jucato> Zaire: it should be added to the "start menu thingy". if it isn't, try running the command "kbuildsycoca --incremental" and check again
[04:18] <Thorrn4> Jucato: I cant find out where to d/l it
[04:18] <Jucato> Xanith: I'm not absolutely sure, but I thought that digital cameras, like mp3 players, are automounted as USB Mass Storage Devices
[04:18] <Jucato> Thorrn4: the links don't mention it?
[04:19] <Xanith> well like i plugged it in and it said theres a new device or something
[04:19] <Xanith> i clicked open in new window and nothing came up...
[04:19] <Zaire> I get unexpected argument incremental
[04:19] <Jucato> Xanith: try to go to "media:/" in Konqueror (or System Menu > Storage Media in the Panel)
[04:20] <tony_> is there plugin as FLASH PLAYER for ubuntu 64 ??
[04:20] <NeoSaki> tony_ no
[04:20] <tony_> :S
[04:20] <NeoSaki> Anyone know if Edgy has better ATI support abilities?
[04:20] <Jucato> Zaire: are you sure you used "--incremental"
[04:20] <Zaire> yep
[04:20] <tony_> I thought there was something like flashjava or something ?
[04:21] <Thorrn4> Jucato: no, it doesnt
[04:21] <Jucato> Zaire: anyway, ignore the error messages and try looking into K Menu again, under System, I think
[04:21] <tony_> anyone with experiance with kxdocker ??? :)
[04:21] <Jucato> Thorrn4: it says there " Beginning with Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper Drake, you no longer need to match your CPU to the proper MPlayer package. Simply install the mplayer package from the  Multiverse repository.
[04:21] <Zaire> nope nothing is system or utilities
[04:22] <Jucato> Zaire: oh well, "vmware-player" should do it. btw, where did you install it from? Adept or apt-get?
[04:22] <Zaire> apt
[04:22] <Thorrn4> Jucato: I enabled ALL of the repos and its still not there
[04:22] <Jucato> !multiverse
[04:22] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[04:23] <Jucato> Thorrn4: did you add the multiverse repo? (it's not written there by default, much less disabled)
[04:23] <Ekkostorm> anyone know what cc is?  Context is while trying to run a ./configure
[04:23] <Jucato> s/disabled/enabled
[04:23] <Martijn81> anyone know of the existence of a tool that that backups all Kontakt plus kgpg settings and data?
[04:23] <shegman> why are my kde settings reset everytime i reboot? and how can i fix it?
[04:24] <Thorrn4> ty Jucato!!
[04:25] <Ekkostorm> Wow, this place suddenly got busy...
[04:26] <Xanith> is there anyway to access a samba client on the network?
[04:26] <shegman> smb:/ in konqueror perhaps
[04:26] <Zaire> hmmm my vmware problem stems from all the vm packages but vmware player itself got install cause something is broken :S
[04:27] <kutan> See yas
[04:28] <Ekkostorm> I am trying to run a configure before compiling a driver and I get this error message "configure: error: no acceptable cc found in $PATH"
[04:28] <Ekkostorm> Any ideas?
[04:29] <Zaire> There was an error committing changes. There was possibly a problem downloading some packages, or else the commit would break packages.
[04:30] <Ekkostorm> well that sux...
[04:30] <shegman> Ekkostorm seems to me that you have a c-compiler installed that doesn't work with your program
[04:31] <Zaire> what does that error I got mean?
[04:31] <Ekkostorm> hmm...  thats kind of odd...
[04:31] <abattoir> !b-e
[04:31] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[04:31] <abattoir> Ekkostorm: ^^^
[04:31] <abattoir> Ekkostorm: and install build-essential
[04:32] <pierreth> abattoir: !
[04:32] <abattoir> hi pierreth :)
[04:32] <shegman> why are my kde settings reset everytime i reboot? and how can i fix it?
[04:32] <pierreth> abattoir: You know, I sold my Mac and I made KDE my home
[04:33] <abattoir> pierreth: the Mac mini?
[04:34] <pierreth> abattoir: yes
[04:34] <Ash-Fox> My Mac had too many hardware problems, and the OS annoyed the hell out of me. The only thing I can say MacOSX had, was pretty fonts.
[04:34] <abattoir> pierreth: nice :)
[04:35] <pierreth> Ash-Fox: Yes the Mac is very pretty
[04:35] <Ash-Fox> I didn't like the interface.
[04:35] <pierreth> Ash-Fox: I like it a lot by I like KDE too
[04:35] <Jucato> pretty pretty interface... :P
[04:36] <pierreth> What I miss in KDE is the Drag&drop
[04:36] <pierreth> I also miss some shortcut
[04:37] <pierreth> Like hide others
[04:37] <Jucato> pierreth: XP has the ultimate drag&drop: drag your computer to the window and drop it :P
[04:37] <Ash-Fox> I just remember the constant issues. No, Safari could not upload ftp files, no finder could view hidden files on demand. No, in order to change your settings you have to edit super secret config files in xml, and if you make a syntax error, macosx may refuse to even load aqua.
[04:37] <pierreth> Jucato: lol
[04:37] <Ash-Fox> Oh, and of course restart
[04:38] <pierreth> The complexity is too much hidden
[04:38] <pierreth> By on the Mac my mouse works but not really well in KDE
[04:39] <pierreth> The Mac has bundle too
[04:39] <Ash-Fox> Seriously, what was hard about putting a "view hidden files" menu item in finder? Would that be considered not user friendly, as much as having to type some long command I have to keep looking up in the terminal, then killing all finder proccesses and restarting it...
[04:39] <chaca> ff
[04:39] <pierreth> I hope Linux will have bundles one day
[04:40] <Ash-Fox> Bundles of what? Trial software like ms office and photoshop?
[04:40] <pierreth> Ash-Fox: You use PathFinder to replace the Finder
[04:40] <pierreth> You can use PathFinder instead
[04:40] <Zaire> god theres nothing worse then having a crap load of useless software
[04:40] <pierreth> The Mac has self countain applications
[04:40] <Jucato> and you can use Firefox instead of Safari :P
[04:41] <Ash-Fox> The mac had loads of broken GNU utilities too
[04:41] <pierreth> You don't have to put icons on your apps on the Mac
[04:41] <Zaire> mac is going to be different to cause its unix based
[04:41] <Ash-Fox> pierreth, please note, I did end up using pathfinder.. but come on.. :)
[04:41] <abattoir> aah, a mac debate :)
[04:42] <pierreth> lol
[04:42] <Jucato> lol
[04:42] <Zaire> I think I would be tempted to buy a mac book lol
[04:42] <pierreth> I think that some things are nice on Mac
[04:42] <Ash-Fox> I mean, in the end I had KDE running under fink (gives you apt-get under mac)
[04:42] <Zaire> its a sexy interface
[04:42] <intelikey> pierreth icon ?    what's that?   you must be talking about that pointy clicky thingy
[04:43] <Zaire> oh yea how do you remove deb packahes in cli?
[04:43] <pierreth> intelikey: On the Mac an application is a bundle, a folder, the folder has the icon
[04:43] <LeeJunFan> bah, the only interface you need looks like this: junfan@jkd:~$
[04:43] <pierreth> You don't have to edit the K menu
[04:43] <intelikey> Zaire sudo apt-get remove blah
[04:44] <pierreth> You don't know an editor at all
[04:44] <Ash-Fox> Oh! I love that bug in apache package that comes on the macosx cd, where it only sends something like the first 32kb of files. Then I try compiling apache2 from source using apache.org's sourcecode. Which created a interesting scenario of my entire desktop starting to freezing up whenever I'd have 3+ people downloading off it :P
[04:44] <Zaire> it wasn't an apt grab though just a .deb I downloaded as an rpm and converted lol
[04:44] <Kr4t05> LeeJunFan: Keep in mind all of the ex-Win98 users that will be exodusting over here.
[04:44] <Kr4t05> :P
[04:44] <intelikey> Zaire shouldn't matter
[04:44] <Jucato> exodusting... :)
[04:45] <LeeJunFan> Kr4t05: I'd rather not. :) Let MS keep the headaches.
[04:45] <pierreth> Well, now I am on opensource, if I don't like something, I'll change it
[04:45] <Ash-Fox> Zaire, theres GNUstep availible for Kubuntu if you're looking for a similar interfaces and applications that are on macosx.
[04:46] <pierreth> GNUStep does not give the Finder back
[04:46] <Ash-Fox> For that I am greatful :)
[04:46] <Zaire> the package I tried converting was vmware workstation and Im trying to remove it cause I think it broke vmware player
[04:46] <pierreth> But I like Konqueror
[04:47] <pierreth> I missing Camino
[04:47] <Zaire> blah konqueror is gross firefox is the best
[04:47] <nimnrod> where do i modify the bootloader list?
[04:47] <Ash-Fox> I like konqueror for everything that isn't webbrowsing at the moment.
[04:47] <intelikey> meh ff stinks  konq is good
[04:48] <Zaire> if its so good then why can't you go back using the backspace key -_-
[04:48] <intelikey> nimnrod /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:48] <nimnrod> intelikey: thanks
[04:48] <intelikey> Zaire you can
[04:49] <pierreth> I have a shell question
[04:49] <aurelien_> hi
[04:49] <Zaire> not from my experience
[04:49] <intelikey> Zaire it's configurable
[04:49] <pierreth> if I do echo *
[04:49] <intelikey> it does what you tell it to.
[04:49] <Jucato> pierreth: !ask
[04:49] <pierreth> is there a way to make echo called for each args?
[04:49] <Zaire> I still don't like it....the mmorpg game I play has a hide option and I keep getting knocked out in the open on konq but not on firefox
[04:50] <intelikey> Zaire your question might better have been 'why isn't it set that way by default?'
[04:50] <Ash-Fox> pierreth, I think it's called xargs
[04:50] <intelikey> and that i couldn't answer.
[04:50] <Jucato> Zaire: what mmorpg? (I'm interested...)
[04:50] <pierreth> Ash-Fox: no it is not
[04:50] <Zaire> Overlordslegacy.com
[04:51] <Jucato> Zaire: btw, have you tried changing the keyboard shortcuts for Back?
[04:51] <Ash-Fox> I recall using xargs to create a script that called a command for each argument
[04:51] <Zaire> cause it gives you the option to hide or not which if your big enough then you don't have to
[04:51] <Zaire> nope cause I just like firefox better personally
[04:51] <pierreth> Ash-Fox: How?
[04:51] <Jucato> ah ok
[04:51] <Jucato> Zaire: I'm a Konqueror lover, but lately, I'm having some quarrels with KHTML
[04:52] <pierreth> I like to have description and keywords for my urls
[04:52] <Zaire> I just can't get my server to display my index html file lol
[04:52] <pierreth> so prefer Firefox
[04:53] <Jucato> pierreth: description and keywords?
[04:53] <pierreth> But Camino was the best with the drag & drop of urls
[04:53] <pierreth> Jucato: ask the properties on an url with Firefox
[04:54] <ActiveX> how do i install activex plugin for mozilla?
[04:54] <Jucato> heh.. I don't know that...
[04:54] <ActiveX> i typed in activex in the repositories but it was a no show
[04:54] <Jucato> yikes!! ActiveX.....
[04:54] <Zaire> actually the message I get from my server when I try to access the httpd from firefox and other browsers says I don't have permission
[04:54] <ActiveX> ??
[04:54] <Jucato> no activex here, afaik
[04:54] <ActiveX> afaik?
[04:54] <Jucato> As Far As I Know
[04:54] <ActiveX> how do i play music on certain websites?
[04:55] <pierreth> Jucato: it is very to manage urls
[04:55] <miyako> I'm trying to set up a simple proxy on my machine that I can connect to from work, squid seems like massive overkill for what I want, since basically I just want something that will forward along http requests without bothering about any caching or filtering or anything.  Anyone have any ideas what packages I might look into?
[04:55] <ActiveX> and how come my amarok won't play mp3s?
[04:55] <Jucato> ActiveX: because you need the codec to play: libxine-extracodecs
[04:55] <Jucato> !mp3
[04:55] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:56] <Jucato> most websites don't use ActiveX to play music. if they do, then... yeck...
[04:56] <pierreth> ActiveX: Amarok will ask you if you want to insall mp3 support
[04:56] <Jucato> pierreth: only with the later versions of Amarok
[04:56] <LeeJunFan> right - which didn't come with dapper.
[04:56] <pierreth> so upgrade
[04:57] <ActiveX> when will it ask me to install mp3 support pierreth?
[04:57] <Zaire> there now all of my aps have mp3 support lol
[04:57] <Jucato> intelikey: heh. you're not normal like the rest of us :P
[04:57] <Jucato> ActiveX: just install "libxine-extracodecs" and you'll be fine
[04:57] <intelikey> Jucato are the rest of you normal ????
[04:57] <intelikey> :)
[04:57] <Ash-Fox> pierreth, I'm sorry, the echo for each argument using: echo * would work. I was thinking of a more complicated method using xargs for some reason.
[04:57] <pierreth> ActiveX: When you have installed a set of plugins
[04:57] <Zaire> Im not normal Im canadian eh lol
[04:57] <Jucato> pierreth: a set?
[04:58] <ActiveX> Jucato: libxine-extracodecs doesn't show up in my repositories when I type it in.. ?
[04:58] <pierreth> Jucato: I don't know...
[04:58] <Zaire> no worries it works automatically once its install by apt
[04:58] <Jucato> ActiveX: you need to enable the "multiverse" repository
[04:58] <Jucato> !multiverse > ActiveX
[04:58] <pierreth> Make a search with Google and you will find
[04:58] <Zaire> oh and that to
[04:58] <Zaire> just enable all of your repositories
[04:58] <Jucato> well, maybe not all... :P
[04:59] <Zaire> I did lol
[04:59] <ActiveX> i think they are enabled..
[04:59] <Jucato> Zaire: heh.. even dapper-backports?
[04:59] <ActiveX> the ones that say multiverse are enabled
[04:59] <Zaire> yep...that bad?
[04:59] <Jucato> ActiveX: well, you have to add this extra one. follow that link that was PM'ed to you
[04:59] <Zaire> enable universe aswell
[04:59] <Jucato> Zaire: of course not
[04:59] <ActiveX> ok
[04:59] <Jucato> Zaire: if you need them, they're good
[04:59] <ActiveX> there are 5 links, which link?
[05:00] <Jucato> if you don't, they're added baggage
[05:00] <Jucato> !multiverse
[05:00] <ActiveX> 4 links
[05:00] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[05:00] <Jucato> ActiveX: ^^^^
[05:00] <pierreth> Ash-Fox: i will test it
[05:00] <intelikey> Jucato i've decided.  none of you are normal.  you're just insane in a different way than me.   i specialize  :)
[05:00] <Zaire> why is it https?
[05:01] <Jucato> Zaire: secure HTTP, afaik
[05:01] <pierreth> Ash-Fox: it does not work
[05:01] <LeeJunFan> so the NSA doesn't know you're looking for help with kubuntu.
[05:01] <Ash-Fox> pierreth, it does in bash.
[05:01] <Zaire> I know what https is just curious as to why its used for those sites thats all
[05:01] <Jucato> lol
[05:01] <nimnrod> why the highest resolution i have is 1024*768?
[05:01] <pierreth> Ash-Fox: echo is called one time with all the args
[05:01] <Jucato> Zaire: um.. for security purposes? :P
[05:02] <Zaire> -_-
[05:02] <intelikey> yes https == secure http (hyper text transport protocal)
[05:02] <pierreth> Ash-Fox: I am in bash
[05:02] <Ash-Fox> pierreth, uh... * should should execute a command per file in that directory
[05:02] <omar> hello I am trying to share a folder from a windows machine, and I am using this: sudo mount -t cifs //192.168.1.20/trc ~/trc -o urd=omar, it used to work in kubuntu but know that I have ubuntu doesn't work, I got this error: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //192.168.1.20/trc;   missing codepage or other error;  In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try;  dmesg | tail  or so
[05:02] <Jucato> i thought it was Transfer Protocol
[05:02] <Ash-Fox> pierreth, if you want to split up arguments, pipe it to xargs
[05:02] <pierreth> Ash-Fox: I have a test script to check that
[05:02] <intelikey> transfer==transport  meh  no matter
[05:03] <Zaire> yes hyper text transfer protocol secure by use of secure ssl
[05:03] <pierreth> Ash-Fox: xargs does the same
[05:03] <LeeJunFan> for x in * ; do xargs [blah blah]  ; done
[05:03] <Ash-Fox> Did you even set any paramters to it?
[05:03] <Jucato> Zaire: those pages are https because you can send info to those pages (editing/logging in/etc)
[05:03] <Zaire> ah ic
[05:03] <pierreth> Ash-Fox: I will pastbin OK?
[05:03] <Ash-Fox> pierreth, I'm going to bed since it's 5am.
[05:04] <omar> hello I am trying to share a folder from a windows machine, and I am using this: sudo mount -t cifs //192.168.1.20/trc ~/trc -o urd=omar, it used to work in kubuntu but know that I have ubuntu doesn't work, I got this error: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //192.168.1.20/trc;   missing codepage or other error;  In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try;  dmesg | tail  or so
[05:04] <pierreth> Ash-Fox: OK
[05:04] <Jucato> Ash-Fox: somewhere in Europe/Asia?
[05:04] <slash> hey anyone know how to install the gcc
[05:04] <Zaire> damn my torrent keeps dropping in and out :S
[05:04] <Ash-Fox> Jucato, Poland at the moment :P
[05:04] <Zaire> sudo apt-get install gcc
[05:04] <Jucato> slash: install "build-essential"
[05:04] <Jucato> Zaire: err...
[05:05] <intelikey> slash sudo apt-get install build-essential
[05:05] <Jucato> Ash-Fox: heh I guessed it would be somewhere there :)
[05:05] <Vanique> czesc Ash-Fox
[05:05] <pierreth> Someone else for my script question?
[05:05] <Vanique> ;] 
[05:05] <Zaire> or that works to lol
[05:05] <Ash-Fox> Czesc Vanique, nie jestem Polak ;)
[05:05] <omar> hello I am trying to share a folder from a windows machine, and I am using this: sudo mount -t cifs //192.168.1.20/trc ~/trc -o urd=omar, it used to work in kubuntu but know that I have ubuntu doesn't work, I got this error: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //192.168.1.20/trc;   missing codepage or other error;  In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try;  dmesg | tail  or so, please I need help
[05:05] <Zaire> and what Im trying to get 6766 snes roms lol
[05:05] <Vanique> a ktz wic jestes ?;] 
[05:06] <pierreth> this chat is too full for me
[05:06] <Ash-Fox> omar, you need to install smbmount
[05:06] <ActiveX> Jucato: I enabled the multiverse for deb and deb-src, i tried finding libxine-extracodecs but it didn't have it.
[05:06] <omar> Ash-Fox: how to do that?, apt-get???
[05:06] <miyako> Zaire, I assume you own all 6766 snes games and are doing this purely for backup reasons?
[05:06] <Ash-Fox> omar, yeah, pretty much.
[05:06] <Zaire> why?
[05:07] <Jucato> ActiveX: did you click on "Fetch Updates" first before trying to look?
[05:07] <ActiveX> Jucato: yes
[05:07] <omar> Ash-Fox: I am getting this error: E: Couldn't find package smbmount
[05:07] <intelikey> Zaire cause i don't want to have to do the paper work on you.
[05:07] <Zaire> anyway is there a command to remove .deb's?
[05:07] <Jucato> ActiveX: can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list ? please use pastebin
[05:07] <Jucato> !pastebin
[05:07] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[05:07] <omar> Ash-Fox: I used apt-get install smbmount
[05:07] <Ash-Fox> omar... fine.. let me look in the repository
[05:07] <Jucato> Zaire: installed .debs?
[05:08] <intelikey> Zaire yes.  apt-get remove
[05:08] <Jucato> or that :P
[05:08] <Zaire> nah Im just getting the ones I do have actually which is more like 13 but a few are hard to find
[05:08] <omar> Ash-Fox: you mean the pastebin right?
[05:08] <LeeJunFan> omar: samba-client
[05:08] <slash> i get an error when i type sudo apt-get install build-essential into console
[05:08] <LeeJunFan> omar: or maybe smbfs
[05:08] <Ash-Fox> omar, apt-get isntall smbfs
[05:09] <Zaire> I have a few favs that I want to play
[05:09] <Ash-Fox> bah LeeJunFan beat me
[05:09] <ActiveX> Jucato: where is /etc/apt/sources.list?
[05:09] <slash> where do u type apt-get?
[05:09] <Jucato> ActiveX: in /etc/apt/
[05:09] <LeeJunFan> :)
[05:09] <Zaire> lol console window lol
[05:09] <Dr_Willis> heh heh...
[05:09] <Jucato> slash: in Konsole
[05:09] <intelikey> slash konsole
[05:10] <one> hi guys, back to linux again finally, can't get adobe flash to install...
[05:10] <Dr_Willis> first sign of "its going to be a long night on irc" is when someone asks where to type a command in at. :)
[05:10] <omar> Ash-Fox: nop
[05:10] <StrudelNinja> Hey, I wanna do my ACT online prep but it wants me to have Windows or Mac. What's the easiest way to fix this? I don't know how to install firefox in wine (I tried but I don't think it worked)
[05:10] <intelikey> or in your irc client if you like...  /exec apt-cache search john
[05:10] <ActiveX> Jucato: where do i get the etc/apt i hve no idea
[05:10] <Dr_Willis> StrudelNinja,  why do you need to install firefox in wine?
[05:10] <Dr_Willis> StrudelNinja,  install opera and have it identify as Internetexplorer is one way.
[05:11] <Zaire> one of my fav games for the snes is ultimate mortal combat 3 but my cousin somehow managed to erase the cartridge :S
[05:11] <StrudelNinja> I figured that would make it think I was on windows? I don't know
[05:11] <Jucato> ActiveX: it's a directory, you browse it in Konqueror
[05:11] <omar> Ash-Fox: http://pastebin.com/790373
[05:11] <Jucato> StrudelNinja: have you tried changing Konqueror's browser identification?
[05:11] <Ash-Fox> omar, apt-get install smbfs
[05:12] <Ash-Fox> Great.. pastebin is taking so long
[05:12] <intelikey> oh ActiveX be advised  / in linux  is the equivelent of  C:\  in M$
[05:12] <Ash-Fox> Well, it's not loading, g'night.
[05:12] <Jucato> intelikey: rawr.. forgot that one.. T_T
[05:12] <Zaire> one of these days Im gonna have to get on e-bay and find me a new snes since my cous also fried that :S
[05:13] <Dr_Willis> time for some Linux fundamental guides I think. :P
[05:13] <StrudelNinja> How would I do that?
[05:13] <Dr_Willis> Zaire,  heh - i just play the games on the pc with the emulators
[05:13] <Dr_Willis> StrudelNinja,  do what?
[05:13] <omar> Ash-Fox: done
[05:13] <StrudelNinja> change Konqueror's browser identification
[05:13] <Jucato> StrudelNinja: go to the website, then in the Tools menu, choose Change Browser Identification
[05:13] <ActiveX> Jucato: i sent it
[05:14] <Dr_Willis> look in the menus/settings :)
[05:14] <omar> Ash-Fox: now?
[05:14] <StrudelNinja> aah, I found it
[05:14] <ActiveX> now what?
[05:14] <StrudelNinja> let me try
[05:14] <Ash-Fox> omar, now it should work
[05:14] <ActiveX> its under thebigeis
[05:14] <Jucato> ActiveX: what's the link?
[05:14] <Dr_Willis> i never noticed it in konqueror heh.
[05:14] <Zaire> I would like to but my google foo for finding rom sites is rusty and I have had this itch to play some of my old snes games and haven't been able to
[05:14] <kuzmaster> hey all
[05:14] <Dr_Willis> Zaire,  torrents man... torrents.. *#*@*@ the rom sites. :P or use newsgroups
[05:14] <ActiveX> Jucato: oh hey.. it doesn't have multiverse next to them
[05:14] <kuzmaster> does anyone know of a good N64 emulator for kubuntu?
[05:15] <ActiveX> Jucato: i type it in next to universe and click enter, fetch updates, and that's it, right?
[05:15] <Dr_Willis> all the rom sites make ya jump through so many lame hoops.. and then flood you with XXX popups.
[05:15] <Jucato> ActiveX: exactly :)
[05:15] <Jucato> Dr_Willis: not if you know reliable sites... :P
[05:15] <intelikey> kuzmaster i don't know how good.  but there is one in the repos.  apt-cache search emulator
[05:15] <Zaire> kind of a to bad cause the game companies could make a fortune if they brought a bunch of classics out of the works
[05:15] <ActiveX> Jucato: well that's what i did, and when i do fetch updates, multiverse is erased
[05:15] <Dr_Willis> Jucato,  torrents made my emulator needs much easier. :)
[05:16] <Jucato> ActiveX: you didn't click on Apply at the bottom after you made the changes
[05:16] <ActiveX> Jucato: ahh i see, that's helpful
[05:16] <Jucato> Dr_Willis: and KTorrent will probably make it easier because you can choose which of the ROMS you have
[05:16] <Zaire> I can see that cause like neo geo games can be over a grand sometimes
[05:16] <Dr_Willis> Jucato,  exactly! - unless the idiots package them in huge Rar packs. :P
[05:16] <Jucato> ugh...
[05:16] <kuzmaster> intelikey, thanx
[05:16] <Zaire> yea I hate that
[05:16] <Dr_Willis> Jucato,  whice ive seen done way too many time on newsgroups
[05:16] <Dr_Willis> or as iso images
[05:17] <Jucato> or worse, CCD...
[05:17] <kuzmaster> and also, a good program for mounting iso images?
[05:17] <StrudelNinja> I changed it to IE6 on XP, FF on XP, IE5 on 2000, etc and it's still telling me I need Windows or Mac. Should I try Opera?
[05:17] <Zaire> which is the case with the 6700 roms I have to go through delete the unnecessary just to get the ones I have
[05:17] <Dr_Willis> well with the Nintindo Wii  - you are supposed to be able to Legally 'buy' the old nes/snes/n64 games and play them on it.
[05:17] <omar> Ash-Fox:  thanx so much, I really appreciate it
[05:17] <Zaire> sweet
[05:17] <Jucato> StrudelNinja: even after refreshing the page?
[05:17] <StrudelNinja> yeah
[05:18] <StrudelNinja> I even closed the window just to check
[05:18] <Zaire> I hear the new systems flagship game is duckhunt 2
[05:18] <Jucato> StrudelNinja: hm... it's one of those smarter sites then...
[05:18] <Jucato> Zaire: I don't think installing opera would make a difference
[05:18] <Dr_Willis> Zaire,  ive only heard of the sports games  for it so far. and a new zelda game
[05:18] <Jucato> err... sorry Zaire
[05:18] <Zaire> np lol
[05:18] <Jucato> StrudelNinja: I don't think installing opera would make a difference
[05:18] <StrudelNinja> well this sucks
[05:19] <Jucato> StrudelNinja: you could install wine then ies4linux
[05:19] <Zaire> bah zelda has been over worked and the gamecube one was crap ......link looked like he was on drugs or something lol
[05:19] <travis> ok, i have a question folks, how do you turn off the sleep mode option on kubuntu? i was searching on the net without any happening and looked unders screen save options but tnothing still
[05:19] <one> CAN ANYBODY TELL ME the best flash player
[05:19] <StrudelNinja> ok, I'll try it
[05:19] <Jucato> travis: try System Settings > Display > Power Savings tab?
[05:19] <intelikey> Jucato i was past the age when nintendo was invented.
[05:20] <Jucato> intelikey: that says a lot :P
[05:20] <Zaire> lol
[05:20] <Zaire> classic nes I still have one and working lol
[05:20] <Dr_Willis> !flash
[05:20] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:20] <intelikey> but i have played nes games some.
[05:20] <Makro___________> i `m getting disconnected from the net at random lapsus of time, if in wondows all is fine i have to asume that there is something wrong with my pppoe config, any suggestions?
[05:20] <Jucato> one: there's only one flash player available for Ubuntu, afaik. flashplugin-nonfree
[05:20] <travis> ah, thanks jucato :-) your a life saver
[05:21] <Jucato> btw, Nintendo was invented? :P
[05:21] <Jucato> travis: no problem
[05:21] <intelikey> Zaire yeah my daughter still has one.  i fixed from parts.
[05:21] <kuzmaster> Makro___________, get broadband. dial-up support is a bit funny in linux
[05:21] <LeeJunFan> kuzmaster: pppoe not ppp
[05:22] <intelikey> Jucato as much as the atuomobile was invented.
[05:22] <Jucato> heh
[05:22] <omar> I can't heard mp3 why??
[05:22] <brandon_> oh no
[05:22] <kuzmaster> LeeJunFan,.... ummm.... yes...... i knew that.................
[05:22] <LeeJunFan> pppoe is over ethernet - ie - not dialup.
[05:22] <Jucato> omar: you need to install the codec for it
[05:22] <travis> i am surprised with kubuntu.  With regular Ubuntu i had to install all these codecs to view avi files, but it appears kubuntu already installs those for you, cause it plays avis instantly
[05:22] <brandon_> I just downloaded and installed Flight Gear Flight Simulator but how do I open it to play it?
[05:23] <omar> jucato: how to do that?
[05:23] <kuzmaster> travis, have you installed vlc?
[05:23] <Jucato> omar: you need "libxine-extracodecs". you need to enable "multiverse" to get that
[05:23] <travis> no, but i use Kaffiene
[05:23] <Jucato> !multiverse
[05:23] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[05:23] <travis> apparantly it works
[05:23] <Jucato> omar: ^^^
[05:23] <kuzmaster> ohhhhh, you should use vls
[05:23] <kuzmaster> vlc**
[05:23] <kuzmaster> its the best
[05:23] <Jucato> different strokes for different brushes
[05:23] <brandon_> how do I play flightgear?
[05:23] <travis> is it?  It won't flicker will it?
[05:23] <omar> jucato: ok, let me try
[05:24] <travis> cause i have had that happen in previous versions
[05:24] <intelikey> it was parts that existed but had never arranged and coppuled togather before   same with the nes  it was a new thing.  but there wan not really one new invention in it.  just the redesign and formation of a new device as a whole.
[05:24] <kuzmaster> travis, no, it dosnt flicker for me, and it can play nearly any format/codec you will find
[05:24] <abattoir> Jucato: you mean different brushes for different strokes? :P
[05:24] <intelikey> never been ^
[05:24] <StrudelNinja> Ok this might be a stupid question, how do I run a shell script?
[05:24] <kuzmaster> travis, ive tried it on kubuntu, ubuntu, windows, and mac
[05:24] <Jucato> abattoir: go listen to your lecturer :P
[05:24] <kuzmaster> travis, and it works fine
[05:24] <Jucato> StrudelNinja: "sh <script>"
[05:24] <omar> jucato: I can't
[05:25] <brandon_> how do I run a game i installed through adept?
[05:25] <travis> yeah, well on Ubuntu it would flicker
[05:25] <StrudelNinja> right, I knew that
[05:25] <StrudelNinja> brain fart
[05:25] <travis> which is why i am hesitant on it
[05:25] <Jucato> omar: you can't what?
[05:25] <abattoir> Jucato: haha... so you are my lecturer now :)
[05:25] <Jucato> brandon_: checked the K Menu if it's there?
[05:25] <Hawkwind> brandon_: Type the name of it in a terminal
[05:25] <omar> jucato: I can't change to multiuniverse
[05:25] <brandon_> I tried that
[05:25] <intelikey> StrudelNinja   sh /path/to/script.sh
[05:25] <brandon_> it's not on k menu
[05:25] <Hawkwind> brandon_: Or use tab completion and do something like f(hit the tab)
[05:25] <Jucato> omar: not multiuniverse, "multiverse"
[05:25] <brandon_> andok
[05:25] <Jucato> !multiverse
[05:26] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[05:26] <omar> jucato: ok, but how
[05:26] <Jucato> omar: ^^^
[05:26] <Jucato> thank link
[05:27] <one> nonfree!
[05:27] <brandon_> I tried the complete thing
[05:27] <brandon_> it's not working
[05:27] <intelikey> hehhe i'm gonna change the way i gennerally answer that.   s*sh /path/to/script.sh*dash /path/to/script.sh*g   dash is on every *buntu system  but never gets used....
[05:27] <StrudelNinja> hey it works now
[05:27] <brandon_> and it didn't show up on the k menu
[05:27] <StrudelNinja> thanks
[05:27] <omar> jucato: should I go to the sources.lis??
[05:28] <Hawkwind> brandon_: Have you looked at their website at all to see if it says how to play the game ?
[05:28] <brandon_> there is no website :S
[05:28] <Hawkwind> brandon_: Yes there is
[05:28] <brandon_> where do I find it?
[05:28] <Hawkwind> brandon_: First hit on google:  http://www.flightgear.org/index.shtml
[05:28] <Jucato> omar: the guide gives instructions how to
[05:29] <brandon_> I'm stupid
[05:29] <abattoir> there is also a kde frontend to flightgear
[05:29] <intelikey> me too brandon_, but i don't bost about it  ;/
[05:29] <brandon_> >.<
[05:30] <brandon_> I am going to eat some tuna now
[05:30] <abattoir> brandon_: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=34410
[05:31] <Hawkwind> abattoir: Interesting.  I had never seen or known about that before
[05:32] <abattoir> Hawkwind: :)
[05:32] <Jucato> abattoir: has seen/known things we never had seen/known before :P
[05:32] <Jucato> err... "abattoir has seen/known things we never had seen/known before :P"
[05:32] <abattoir> heh, lol
[05:34] <Captain_Redbeard> Erf... are there any knot repositories?
[05:35] <Captain_Redbeard> Would like to do an upgrade to knot 3 in a neat way...
[05:35] <intelikey> knot ?
[05:35] <Hawkwind> Captain_Redbeard: Just use edgy in your sources.list where dapper would be
[05:36] <Hawkwind> Captain_Redbeard: Then just update your system doing a dist-upgrade and it will get you to the latest, which is equivalent to knot3
[05:36] <Captain_Redbeard> Hawkwind: Oh, I'm retarded... sorry, and thanks
[05:36] <abattoir> Captain_Redbeard: if you specifically want only the packages in knot3, then, add the CD as a repo
[05:36] <intelikey> Hawkwind the latest ?
[05:36] <Captain_Redbeard> Hawkwind: how to do a dist-upgrade then?
[05:36] <abattoir> intelikey: edgy
[05:36] <Hawkwind> intelikey: The latest is knot3 for Edgy
[05:36] <Hawkwind> Captain_Redbeard: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:36] <Hawkwind> Captain_Redbeard: Are you running Edgy at the moment ?
[05:36] <intelikey> never mind.   i don't feel like going into that.
[05:37] <abattoir> intelikey: the latest 'snapshots' are called knots, like they were flights, for dapper
[05:37] <Hawkwind> intelikey: What is there to go into ?
[05:37] <Max_-> hi all!! :D on the live CD right now !! :D :D :D  you know the password to su ????  cuz I can't do anything with that ubuntu user....
[05:37] <Hawkwind> intelikey: I'm sure you know that knot3 is the latest snapshot of Edgy
[05:37] <Captain_Redbeard> Hawkwind: nope... but that's what I want to
[05:37] <abattoir> Max_-: use sudo, and the command you need to execute
[05:37] <abattoir> !sudo
[05:37] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[05:37] <abattoir> Max_-: ^^^might help
[05:37] <brandon_> abattoir, so I just download that for the flight game?
[05:38] <travis> ok, this puzzles me, it was working a little while ago, now adept is saying "i can't install, uninstall, etc... because other programs are using it" how do i get it to work?
[05:38] <Hawkwind> Captain_Redbeard: You do realize it's not stable yet, right ?
[05:38] <travis> i tried restarting
[05:38] <Max_-> .... but sudo is long ... why can't we just log as root.. that would be so much easier...
[05:38] <Captain_Redbeard> Hawkwind: so change from "dapper" to "edgy" in the reps-list and do a dist-upgrade?
[05:38] <Max_-> i got things to do with my HDDs...
[05:38] <Hawkwind> Captain_Redbeard: Yep.  And prepare for things to be broken
[05:38] <Jucato> Captain_Redbeard: prepare yourself for some instability
[05:38] <abattoir> Max_-: ok, the 'sudo -i' would give you a 'root' prompt... that page has instructions
[05:38] <Captain_Redbeard> of course
[05:38] <Dr_Willis> so far ive not seen much broken yet. :P
[05:39] <Jucato> Dr_Willis: well, not in Knot 3, yet...
[05:39] <Max_-> abattoir: okay, thanks!
[05:39] <Captain_Redbeard> That's why I want it...
[05:39] <Jucato> or maybe, I haven't spent much time on Knot 3
[05:39] <Captain_Redbeard> not as a stable system but as a playground for testing basically
[05:39] <intelikey> travis xpstree see if anything is using dpkg
[05:40] <Dr_Willis> abattoir,  i never reboot. :P
[05:40] <travis> what is xpstree?
[05:40] <Dr_Willis> actualy  i just upgraded today
[05:40] <abattoir> Dr_Willis: well, it doesnt help when Kwin crashes... you are forced to restart X :P
[05:40] <Dr_Willis> Bah! be a real man! run... twm!
[05:40] <travis> is that a command to type in the terminal intelikey?
[05:41] <abattoir> Dr_Willis: heh :P
[05:41] <intelikey> travis yes.     note restarting a kde session by default restarts what ever was running...    just find what is using dpkg  and kill it.
[05:41] <Captain_Redbeard> How does everything run if things that are running are to be updated?
[05:41] <travis> k
[05:42] <Hawkwind> Captain_Redbeard: You restart them and they are at the new version :P
[05:42] <Hawkwind> Captain_Redbeard: If you're updating your entire version of the OS, then you'll have to atleast restart X and probably reboot for all the new stuff to take effect
[05:42] <Captain_Redbeard> Obviously :p I wonder how is it physically done?
[05:43] <Jucato> specially for new kernels
[05:43] <Jucato> which reminds me...
[05:43] <intelikey> Captain_Redbeard and yes it can cause errors, if a running app tries to read data from a newer version.. best to kill everything before dist-upgrade
[05:43] <Captain_Redbeard> hmm does that gimpy adept updater tool do the trick?
[05:43] <Hawkwind> Captain_Redbeard: I'd strongly suggest doing the update from CLI
[05:44] <Captain_Redbeard> aye aye
[05:45] <Captain_Redbeard> Hawkwind: but it's doable from inside X?
[05:45] <Hawkwind> Captain_Redbeard: Sure
[05:45] <Hawkwind> Probably best not to mention the command if people shouldn't use it
[05:46] <intelikey> i didn't say they shouldn't use it....   if they need it, they should.
[05:46] <intelikey> but the warning was meant to get the attention, that they should be aware of what it does.
[05:48] <travis> ok, i typed in xpstree in the terminal, nothing came up, i looked at processes and i am not sure what to look for in it, its still not letting me install or uninstall stuff, adept isn't i mean
[05:49] <intelikey> travis processes named dpkg, update, apt*, dselect.
[05:49] <travis> should i kill all that are named that in it?
[05:49] <intelikey> yes all but maybe update    if it's update* see what it is.
[05:50] <D4rkly> how can i probe my usb devices ?
[05:50] <intelikey> and if you kill   dselect   or  dpkg   you will probably be required to issue   dpkg --configure -a    to clean it up.
[05:51] <D4rkly> to see if 1 of them is working ?
[05:51] <travis> grrr, none of them show up, i really have no idea why its telling me its being used because it isn't
[05:51] <intelikey> D4rkly lsusb
[05:51] <intelikey> ?
[05:51] <D4rkly> cool
[05:52] <travis> i am using ksysgaurd to look at processes
[05:52] <intelikey> travis ok if you are sure that it's not in use.   remove the lock file
[05:52] <travis> whats the lock file?
[05:52] <intelikey> the file named "lock"
[05:52] <intelikey> in /var/lib/dpkg   probably
[05:52] <travis> heh, i am a newb with linux, where would i find it?
[05:52] <travis> ok
[05:53] <intelikey> need root !
[05:53] <Jucato> travis: you can't start Adept?
[05:53] <hobot> :)
[05:53] <hobot> :) hey guys
[05:53] <travis> should i do anything before remoiving it? cause i don't want my ssytem to crash suddenly
[05:54] <travis> jucato, thats right its saying database locked
[05:54] <travis> pretty much
[05:54] <intelikey> Jucato if i understood correctly.  no.  error message  package manager in use
[05:54] <Jucato> travis: run "sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[05:54] <D4rkly> i think my ati usb remote is dead it doesnt appear in lsusb ?
[05:55] <travis> well, that did a whole bunch of text that i am not sure about
[05:55] <intelikey> any "error"  in it    or "E"
[05:56] <hobot> hey guys I was all ready to ask a question but then I rtfm and it answered it how about them apples
[05:56] <travis> yeah there was an error, it seems
[05:56] <Jucato> travis: what it basically does is try to continue where a package manager left off, because of hanging, stalling, or some other error
[05:56] <travis> with flashplugin-nonfree
[05:56] <travis> heh, interesting
[05:56] <dek> anybody here uses LaTeX ?
[05:57] <Dr_Willis> dek,  years ago.
[05:57] <intelikey> hmmm that shouldn't have kept adept from running
[05:57] <dek> have you used Pstricks?
[05:57] <Dr_Willis> Nope.
[05:57] <dek> it doesn't seem to recognize the commands :-/
[05:57] <dek> although I added the packages
[05:57] <travis> yeah, well i just tried adept again intelikey and now its letting me install
[05:57] <dek> I always get Undefined control sequence. \pscurve, etc
[05:57] <travis> so maybe i just closed out of it by accident and forgot to let it do the installs before hand?
[05:57] <Jucato> travis: probably :P
[05:58] <Jucato> travis: try to remember that command whenever your database gets locked
[05:58] <travis> i will, i am probably gonna make a text file of important commands so that i never forget them
[05:58] <intelikey> ok i'll go back and revisit dpkg    cause i don't think that was a 'lock' issue after all
[05:58] <hobot> hey guys where is this reset X server button it tells me about :)?
[05:59] <Jucato> hobot: you can just press Ctrl+Alt+Backspace BUT save anything that needs saving first
[05:59] <hobot> yes of course
[05:59] <hobot> here is a question
[05:59] <hobot> if I ruined my xorg.conf
[05:59] <hobot> I have a backup
[05:59] <intelikey> (note to travis) text files on a system that gets reloaded don't do one bit of good....   been there.
[05:59] <omar> jucato: I got themultiverse, now?, I want to get my mp3
[05:59] <hobot> can I still just ctrol alt f1
[05:59] <hobot> ctrl alt f1
[05:59] <D4rkly> im trying to get my ati usb remote working ? if it doesnt appear in lsusb is it dead ??
[05:59] <hobot> reload the backup
[06:00] <hobot> and then restart
[06:00] <Jucato> hobot: you can even do it in Konsole. sudo cp stuff
[06:00] <Jucato> omar: now try looking for "libxine-extracodecs" again
[06:00] <hobot> :)
[06:00] <travis> heh ok intelikey
[06:00] <Jucato> hobot: just restart X after
[06:00] <hobot> also this is amazing for newbs https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions
[06:00] <hobot> I <3 it
[06:02] <hobot> YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES
[06:02] <hobot> YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES IT WORKS MY PRECIOUS
[06:03] <Jucato> um.. someone is asking " if dvd protection is universal or just win-constraint"?
[06:03] <travis> windows constraint?
[06:03] <travis> dvd protection just sucks period
[06:03] <travis> i have had to deal with a lot of that
[06:03] <Jucato> but that doesn't really answer the question right? :P
[06:04] <travis> meh, its not just windows, it depends on the decryptor that the person is using
[06:04] <travis> and also depends on how good of a dvd copyright protection it is
[06:04] <Jucato> ah
[06:04] <travis> if its fairly recent, mostlikly you won't be able to rip it, thats assuming thats what the person wants
[06:05] <Jucato> ooh thanks for the info :)
[06:06] <travis> but i am not sure if thats what they are asking about, if its just copyright protection in general, no because you have region locks on DVDs
[06:06] <intelikey> hmmm dpkg --configure is a powerful command.  it will redo a lock file that is in use.    learn something new every day
[06:06] <travis> heh really?
[06:07] <travis> i am starting to really enjoy kubuntu and the linux community
[06:07] <travis> even though i am a newb
[06:08] <travis> WHOA!?! i just found a STREAM RIPPER for downloading online streams!
[06:08] <travis> for linux, thats awesome!
[06:09] <Captain_Redbeard> travis: why so suprised?
[06:09] <fildo> sensors for cpu temp ? what program wouldi  need to install ?
[06:09] <intelikey> yeah why so suprised ?    if it can be done linux can do it.    even crash.
[06:10] <travis> haha, yeah, but i am surprised cause windows doesn't have a program out there that can download streams
[06:10] <Jucato> heh
[06:10] <Captain_Redbeard> travis: win32 have got the strength of money but we've got the strength of commitment and numbers
[06:10] <Captain_Redbeard> travis: Linux is done "by users for users" :)
[06:11] <travis> heh, yes, i can tell
[06:11] <Jucato> hm.. before it was "by geeks, for geeks"
[06:11] <Jucato> :P
[06:11] <Captain_Redbeard> Jucato: still is but "users" is probably a more neutral word :)
[06:11] <travis> i am somewhat a geek, but i don't like computer programming, i get terrible headaches looking at codes for long periods of times
[06:11] <travis> i am more of a pirater i guess
[06:11] <intelikey> fildo apt-cache search sensor
[06:12] <travis> i say "if i have the money i will buy it, otherwise i am a poor college student'
[06:12] <travis> thats my excuse
[06:12] <Hawkwind> fildo: gkrellm can monitor the temps without installing lmsensors since the 2.6 kernel comes default with that stuff.
[06:13] <Hawkwind> fildo: If you want to use something different, then you might have to install lmsensors, just all depends
[06:13] <Jucato> Hawkwind: does the mobo need to support those sensors for gkrellm to work? I'm not sure mine has that feature...
[06:14] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Yes, your BIOS has to support it.  If your BIOS lists the temps then chances are gkrellm will work for you
[06:14] <Jucato> Hawkwind: that's cool. never got lmsensors to work for me
[06:15] <intelikey> Hawkwind so is gkrellm/linux_kernel using the BIOS to access the sensors ?
[06:15] <Hawkwind> intelikey: Yes
[06:16] <travis> ok guys, another question, i like the mac osx setup and have a lot of it configured except for a good dock, kxdocker seems to be coming up with errors, anyone know of a better dock?
[06:16] <Jucato> and what is lmsensors using?
[06:16] <intelikey> why would linux depend on bios ?
[06:16] <Hawkwind> Jucato: lmsensors loads a lot of i2c modules to work properly
[06:16] <Jucato> ah
[06:16] <intelikey> it doesn't depend on bios for anything else does it ?
[06:16] <jpiccolo_> anyone know of a good tutorial for apache?
[06:16] <Hawkwind> intelikey: Not that I know of.  Just for sensor stuff.  Hence why you don't need lmsensors
[06:17] <Jucato> !repos > Jucato
[06:17] <Hawkwind> jpiccolo_: apache.org ?
[06:17] <jpiccolo_> they are alittle to techinical for me
[06:17] <Hawkwind> jpiccolo_: tldp.org ?
[06:18] <intelikey> but that leaves me wondering about the kernel ?    have they gotten lazy and stopped writing "real code" and started depending on bios and other sources to be the actual code, and just call them from the kernel ?
[06:18] <Hawkwind> !repos > Hawkwind
[06:18] <intelikey> that doesn't at all sound like linux.
[06:19] <Hawkwind> intelikey: Not even remotely close.  Maybe you should read up on it before you go off and start bashing about them not writing 'real code' since you seem to not know what you're talking about
[06:19] <intelikey> Hawkwind seem to....   hmmm  what ever.
[06:20] <Hawkwind> intelikey: Point is, kernel developers seem to be writing 'real code' as it is.  If you feel it's inadequate, maybe you should offer your 'expertise' coding skills
[06:21] <intelikey> rant buba
[06:22] <Hawkwind> buba ?
[06:23] <Captain_Redbeard> uh... what's dpkg's error code 1 signaling for?
[06:24] <fildo> Hawkwind: gkrellm is good
[06:24] <fildo> Hawkwind: but has no temp sesor
[06:24] <Hawkwind> fildo: No temp sensor for what ?
[06:24] <fildo> cpu
[06:25] <fildo> or system in general
[06:25] <fildo> im after something that can monitor it, cause this wifi gets hot as
[06:25] <Hawkwind> What version of gkrellm you using ?
[06:25] <cpk2> fildo: there is a temp plugin i thought...
[06:25] <Hawkwind> I have my gkrellm monitoring my harddrives, my fans, and my CPU temp
[06:26] <cpk2> aptitude search gkrellm you will get lots of stuff
[06:26] <fildo> ok
[06:26] <fildo> cheers
[06:38] <Captain_Redbeard> hmm seems to work...
[06:39] <Captain_Redbeard> only thing that is retarded is the bootup splashscreen
[06:44] <jpiccolo_> can anyone get jpiccolo.isa-geek.com
[06:44] <travis> got a question, ok, i unzipped the file, the did ./configure
[06:44] <travis> and then it comes up  "checking for X... configure:  can't find x includes
[06:44] <travis> and it goes on and on
[06:44] <travis> what do i need ofr it to not say that
[06:45] <cameron_> SUCCESS!
[06:46] <cameron_> I have just installed a Parallel port scanner into Kubuntu....  all by myself!
[06:46] <cameron_> I know, lame...
[06:47] <cameron_> now I just have to figure out how to get my webcam working...
 I have just installed a Parallel port scanner into Kubuntu ---> i have a Primax Colorado 600p that is not working, can you give me a hint ?
[06:50] <cameron_> ubuntu: looks like all scanners in ubuntu or kubuntu use the sane backend...  basically, you need to install the sane library and backend (libsane, sane-utils), and then make sure your scanner is enabled...
[06:52] <cameron_> The only thing you may need to do additional to that is download the linux drivers for you scanner, but I just checked the support page, and it looks like sane doesn't support the Primax scanners...
[06:56] <travis> hmmm, i did the ./configure successfully, but now when typing make, it says bash: make: not command
[06:56] <travis> or something like that
[06:56] <dennister> hi all
[06:56] <D4rkly_> im trying to get my ati usb remote working ? if it doesnt appear in lsusb is it dead ??
[06:57] <intelikey> travis you installed build-essential ?
[06:57] <travis> intelikey: build essentiaL?
[06:57] <intelikey> !b-e
[06:57] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[06:57] <cameron_> travis: I ran into that too.  make doesn't come pre-installed with ubuntu.  you'll find it in adept
[06:57] <travis> oooh ok
[06:58] <dennister> anyone help me figure out why my bsh isn't behaving itself?
[06:58] <travis> ha, i am retarded, i just goodled the problem
[06:58] <travis> googled
[06:58] <cameron_> hehe
[06:58] <LKC> my adept wont fetch upgrades
[06:58] <Zvezdichko> LKC, try manually - apt-get update, apt-get upgrade
[07:02] <dennister> i tried to completely remove the major elements of my lamp through synaptic; the teminal (while uninstall was going on) said it couldn't remove some directories because they weren't empty; I've been trying to remove them manually now, but the slashes for the paths are disappearing
[07:03] <LKC> it says there are 0 upgrades but i have not upgraded for since install 2 months ago
[07:03] <dennister> nor can i edit a file as root with kwrite or kate from the konsole...get error messages
[07:03] <Ekkostorm> what error messages?
[07:04] <dennister> bad device 169
[07:04] <Jucato> LKC: you probably don't have dapper-security or dapper-updates enabled
[07:04] <LKC> how can i enable?
[07:04] <Ekkostorm> dennister: sorry, I've never seen that one before...
[07:04] <Jucato> !repos
[07:04] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[07:04] <Jucato> LKC: ^^^
[07:04] <Jucato> LKC: just apply those steps for the lines with "dapper-security" and "dapper-updates"
[07:05] <dennister> also can't initiailize kdeinit, kded: cannot connect to x server :0.0, dcop aborting...to kded
[07:05] <Ekkostorm> btw... has anyone seen a good image slicing program?
[07:05] <dennister> Ekkostorm: tis ok
[07:05] <dennister> just bugging me
[07:05] <Papandapulo> !help
[07:05] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[07:05] <Zvezdichko> dennister, it's because you're not running KDE as root ;)
[07:05] <D4rkly_> ati_remote module
[07:05] <LKC> did somthing like that on another system yesterday but this system wont let me edit it, i think adept wont recognise my internet connection, how do i get it to do that?
[07:06] <D4rkly_> if i dont have the ati_remote module loaded in the kernel will it still appear under lsusb ?
[07:06] <dennister> Zvezdichko: but I am running it as root
[07:06] <Zvezdichko> oh... that's strange then...
[07:07] <Ekkostorm> My question would be why is it having a hard time with x server
[07:07] <dennister> yes, and  why is a socket pointing to a tmp directory
[07:07] <Zaire> anyone in here know of any good beginners guides to shell scripting?
[07:08] <intelikey> !cli
[07:08] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via applications -> accessories -> terminal (gnome) or kmenu -> system -> konsole (kde). Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[07:08] <Zaire> thanks .....I thought I would get familiar with it since Im gonna be taking a course
[07:08] <Ekkostorm> k... is intelikey a bot?
[07:08] <dennister> my bsh doesn't even recognize the 'cd' command, lol
[07:08] <Jucato> lol
[07:08] <Jucato> Ekkostorm: ubotu is the bot
[07:09] <intelikey> !ubotu
[07:09] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[07:09] <dennister> that's funny,
[07:09] <Zvezdichko> dennister ... that's really, really strange
[07:09] <dennister> the bot that is
[07:09] <intelikey> dennister bash does 'cd'
[07:09] <Ekkostorm> and intelikey is a kindly irc dweller of great knowledge that knows just what to ask ubotu at the right time...
[07:09] <Ekkostorm> ?
[07:10] <dennister> it's supposed to do cd, but it doesn't
[07:10] <intelikey> dennister cd /
[07:10] <intelikey> ls
[07:10] <intelikey> cd ;ls
[07:10] <Ekkostorm> have you done a power cycle dennister?
[07:10] <josef> hai jucato
[07:10] <Jucato> hi josef
[07:11] <jpiccolo_> !selinux
[07:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about selinux - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:11] <dennister> omg; NOW it's doing both cd and ls, whereas it didn't before...what's a power cycle?
[07:11] <Ekkostorm> lol...
[07:11] <dennister> wierd
[07:11] <intelikey> !info selinux
[07:11] <ubotu> Package selinux does not exist in any distro I know
[07:11] <Ekkostorm> a power cycle involves applying the boots of re to your computer by yanking the cord of power...
[07:12] <josef> I have a tv tuner installed its a pci but how do i tell kubuntu that it has a tv tuner
[07:12] <Ekkostorm> Ya, I'm a geek...
[07:12] <intelikey> selinux-doc - documentation for Security-Enhanced Linux
[07:12] <intelikey> selinux-utils - SELinux utility programs
[07:12] <Zaire> you have to be a geek to use linux lol
[07:12] <dennister> haha, i did reboot
[07:12] <josef> jucato I have a tv tuner installed its a pci but how do i tell kubuntu that it has a tv tuner
[07:12] <Zvezdichko> are there anny errors during load?
[07:12] <Jucato> josef: sorry, I don't know that... :(
[07:12] <dennister> nope, not if ur talkign to me
[07:12] <LKC> how can i get my adept to fetch upgrades, i tried manully and failed, tried using adept and when i go to manage repos it says it failed to varify all of them but im connected to the internet, whats happening? :(
[07:12] <Ekkostorm> Well, I'm hooked... Linux officially ROCKS!
[07:13] <dennister> i like it, but ...
[07:13] <josef> Ok never mind you help me already allot thanks my friend
[07:13] <josef> bye jucato
[07:13] <intelikey> LKC sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:13] <Zvezdichko> yes I was talking to you. So, to sum up. you load KDE as root and you can't use Kate and Kwrite, right?
[07:14] <Zaire> you shouldn't be able to load as root unless in cli :S
[07:14] <LKC> found the problem i forgot to enable
[07:14] <intelikey> safe mode Zaire
[07:15] <Zaire> ah ic there is that lol
[07:15] <intelikey> failsafe or what ever grub calls is
[07:15] <Zvezdichko> Zaire, it should... I'm a former slackware user, it loads with startx
[07:15] <Jucato> GRUB calls it "recovery mode"
[07:15] <intelikey> ah recovery mode
[07:15] <Ekkostorm> LKC: here's a thought.  Adept is a package right?  What would happen if you used apt-get to uninstall then reinstall adept?
[07:15] <Zaire> yea the only time ive needed root is when I was configuring my surgemail server
[07:15] <Ekkostorm> k... I'm slow...
[07:16] <intelikey> !sudo
[07:16] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[07:16] <Zvezdichko> anyway, I never run KDE as root. If I want to edit files - pico, emacs... there are so many console editors
[07:16] <Zaire> and apparently root couldn't access some of the files for surge either oddly enough lol
[07:16] <LKC> is there aany benifit to cloning my repositories and haveing 1 as main and 1 as multiverse?
[07:17] <Ekkostorm> Anyway, I'm out.  I'll be back later with more questions.
[07:17] <Ekkostorm> Thanks for the help all
[07:17] <dennister> bye ekko
[07:18] <Zvezdichko> lol, there's a Freecraft for Ubuntu :P apt-get install freecraft
[07:18] <intelikey> !repos > LKC
[07:19] <Homer> does freecraft come with art?
[07:19] <dennister> k, was finally able to delete one file, only by going to cd \, then cd etc, then cd \apache2...each with a separate command
[07:20] <intelikey> there is no cd \
[07:20] <intelikey> dennister \ == the escapt char
[07:20] <intelikey> this is not M$
[07:20] <Zvezdichko> Homer, with what?
[07:20] <dennister> what about the escape character?
[07:21] <intelikey> dennister the escapr char tells the shell to ignore the next char   i.e.   echo $HOME   will show your home dir  but   echo \$HOME  will show $HOME
[07:22] <Zvezdichko> and dennister, why are you running cd like that?
[07:22] <intelikey> you use the escape char to send special chars to other apps.
[07:22] <dennister> because cd doesn't always want to work properly
[07:22] <dennister> do u think i like all those cd commands? lol
[07:23] <intelikey> Zvezdichko cause he's learing    but having to un-learn M$ so he can learn linux.
[07:23] <dennister> now when i use cd, it dropts me to a > prompt
[07:23] <intelikey> where are you using cd ?
[07:23] <Jucato> a ">" prompt...
[07:24] <dennister> I'm trying to navigate to certain files i'm trying to remove manually, as root
[07:24] <Zvezdichko> svetlio@zvezdichko:~$ cd .cedega/
[07:24] <Zvezdichko> svetlio@zvezdichko:~/.cedega$
[07:24] <Jucato> C:\>
[07:24] <Zvezdichko> don't have problems like that
[07:24] <dennister> i'd love to get rid of mine...like I said at the beginning, bsh is NOT behaving itself
[07:24] <dennister> ls
[07:25] <dennister> oops
[07:25] <Zvezdichko> bash should recognise each command if it's in the paths /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games
[07:25] <intelikey> Zvezdichko assumes default path
[07:25] <BigEis> how come when i try and compile code on xemacs wih g++ as part of my make, kubunu doesn't recognize it?
[07:26] <intelikey> BigEis cause you haven't installed gcc ?
[07:26] <intelikey> !b-e
[07:26] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[07:27] <intelikey> read that ^ BigEis
[07:27] <Zvezdichko> intelikey, why is this, what are you installing in /use/local/special
[07:27] <BigEis> ok and does kopete have sound alerts for incoming/outgoing IMs?
[07:28] <intelikey> system wide scripts
[07:28] <Zvezdichko> dennister, don't give up lad, Linux is hard, but not impossible. yesterday I was trying to get my movies working
[07:30] <Jucato> BigEis: yes. Settings > Configure Notifications
[07:31] <dennister> zvez, i got my movies working awhile ago...i just tried to follow the paths u typed, and the \usr\local\sbin directory is empty...and what's this thing about a ':' after some directories' names?
[07:31] <Ryan_> i was messing around with my screen resolution and i ended up changing to to something my screen cant recognize and it didnt automaticly change back like usual so i wated a while anstill nothing, i restarted and nothing after the grub. is there anyway to change te setting from a live cd
[07:31] <BigEis> if your kubuntu freezes or stop responding, how do you remedy that?
[07:31] <intelikey> Zvezdichko order of search in the path verable is important if you use warpers with the same name as common apps
[07:32] <Zvezdichko> that's interesting
[07:32] <intelikey> dennister how many times i got to tell you?  it's not \   it's  /
[07:33] <Zvezdichko> I remember when I firs installed linux, I was completely unfamiliar with the directory structure
[07:33] <Jucato> dennister: "\" is for MS-DOS/Windows, "/" is for Linux/BSD/UNIX
[07:33] <intelikey> there is no \usr\local\sbin   that would be  "srocalbin"   to the shell.   so if that exists you made it.
[07:33] <dennister> lol...and i never make that mistake in the shell itself...just here
[07:34] <Zaire> damn can't get xgl to work
[07:34] <Zvezdichko> but anyway, there shouldn't be anything in /usr/local/bin
[07:34] <Zvezdichko> I always never install apps there except some games
[07:34] <Zvezdichko> *I never
[07:34] <Zaire> so once you apt-get xgl what then?
[07:34] <intelikey> and by all means /usr/local/sbin  does indeed exist on your system.
[07:35] <BigEis> Anyone know wha to do when your comp freezes or stops responding?
[07:35] <dennister> intellikey: it exists, but it's empty of files or any content
[07:35] <Zaire> reset it lol
[07:35] <Jucato> BigEis: if you can still use the keyboard "Ctrl+Alt+Backspace"
[07:35] <Zvezdichko> dennister, and that's normal ;)
[07:35] <intelikey> dennister not likely.
[07:35] <BigEis> and what will thatdo jucato?
[07:35] <Jucato> BigEis: or if you know which app is the culprit, you can Ctrl+Alt+F1 and killall the app
[07:35] <intelikey> oh local
[07:35] <Zaire> or ctrl+al+F1
[07:35] <intelikey> yeah
[07:35] <Jucato> BigEis: it resets/restarts X
[07:36] <intelikey> nm the not likely.
[07:36] <Zaire> still anyone know what to do with xgl once you apt it?
[07:36] <dennister> i'm confused, are \etc\local\bin and the sbin one supposed to be empty, or not?
[07:36] <BigEis> how much RAM does everyone have to run kubuntu?
[07:36] <intelikey> was thinking usr/sbin      i don't know why....
[07:36] <Zvezdichko> dennister, yes, they are
[07:36] <insanekane> BigEis: i have 256 DDR
[07:36] <dennister> 2 different pps, 2 contradictory answers
[07:36] <dennister> k
[07:36] <Zaire> I have 1gb DDR2 4200
[07:37] <BigEis> insanekane that run pretty quick?
[07:37] <intelikey> error \etc\local\bin  does not exist
[07:37] <insanekane> BigEis: very :)
[07:37] <dennister> haha, now intellikey has done the dos/windows forward slash here
[07:37] <Zaire> I also have a 3800+ dualcore lol
[07:37] <Jucato> dennister: don't you mean /usr/local ?
[07:37] <Zvezdichko> because Windows is just a Dos shell
[07:37] <Zvezdichko> :)
[07:37] <intelikey> dennister i quoted you
 i'm confused, are \etc\local\bin and the sbin ...   ^
[07:38] <dennister> well, ok,,wasn't sure
[07:38] <BigEis> insanekane i have 512mb but not sure if ddr or not, probably not, how could i tell?
[07:38] <BigEis> it runs quick,but freezes up sometimes
[07:38] <dennister> it seems i'm more ditzy tonight than usual
[07:38] <Zaire> Im stumped there lol
[07:38] <Jucato> dennister: /usr/local/bin or /usr/local/sbin wound only have contents depending on whether you have compiled stuff and directed it to install in /usr/local/
[07:38] <insanekane> BigEis: it shows on your POST screen
[07:38] <Zvezdichko> I have 192 MB SD Ram, and Kubuntu is on the fly
[07:38] <Zvezdichko> :)
[07:38] <BigEis> what is the kubuntu equivlent of task manager on windows?
[07:38] <insanekane> BigEis: Ctrl+Esc
[07:38] <Jucato> BigEis: Ctrl+Esc
[07:39] <BigEis> zvesdichiko you disable or remove any programs?
[07:39] <intelikey> dennister some times its better to just turn the box off and go out side...
[07:39] <Zvezdichko> BigEis, no
[07:39] <Zaire> kmenu system and ksysguard
[07:39] <Zvezdichko> BigEis, task manager? I don't need a task manager
[07:39] <Zvezdichko> I just type
[07:39] <Zvezdichko> ps aux
[07:39] <Zvezdichko> and I got all processes running
[07:40] <Zvezdichko> if there's irresponsible program, kill uid
[07:40] <Zaire> brb lol
[07:40] <dennister> anyway, what's with this: i type in 'cd \ <enter>" and i get a new line with just a '>'
[07:41] <insanekane> dennister: \ is not Linux/UNIX
[07:41] <intelikey>  \
[07:41] <Zaire> nope xgl still not working
[07:41] <insanekane> dennister: \ is the start of an escape sequence
[07:41] <Jucato> dennister: because you are typing "\"
[07:41] <Jucato> dennister: try typing cd ' and you'll get the same ">"
[07:41] <intelikey> dennister it's not \  it's  /  that you want.
[07:42] <intelikey> Jucato no i don't think so.
[07:42] <Zvezdichko> but I can make bash looking that way : C:\>
[07:42] <Jucato> intelikey: try it
[07:42] <Zvezdichko> :)
[07:42] <intelikey> i have.
[07:42] <Jucato> then why does it happen to me?
[07:42] <dennister> maybe I should quit for the night...but i'm not tired
[07:42] <Zvezdichko> dennister, night? lol... where are you from
[07:42] <Zvezdichko> :)
[07:43] <intelikey> Jucato if you type blah \    and hit the enter you get a new line with only  >_     waiting for you to finish the command
[07:43] <Zaire> if a problem with ram one thing I would ask is if you are running 2 256 chips that are diff speeds like a pc3100 and a 2700
[07:43] <Jucato> intelikey: and if you type in cd ' <--- single quote
[07:43] <intelikey> Jucato it escapes the carrage return
[07:43] <dennister> i'm from toronto, and it's 1:43 am
[07:43] <intelikey> Jucato yeah
[07:43] <dennister> u?
[07:43] <intelikey> oh did you add  a single quote mark
[07:43] <Zvezdichko> dennister, Bulgaria, Pleven - GMT+3 or 08:43 am ;)
[07:43] <intelikey> i missed it sorry
[07:44] <Jucato> hmph :P
[07:44] <dennister> yeah,,,with the zvev...in the nic, I'm not surprised
[07:44] <intelikey> Jucato i missread your post.   thought the single quote went with the ending statement       my bad.
[07:45] <Zvezdichko> it means a star
[07:45] <Zvezdichko> :)
[07:45] <Zvezdichko> anybody using shell different than bash?
[07:45] <dennister> heheheh...love it
[07:45] <Jucato> intelikey: heh no worries
[07:45] <intelikey> but even at that they are not the same.
[07:45] <dennister> used to know tons of eastern europeans when I was an it headhunter
[07:46] <dennister> all the zzzzzzzzzz's
[07:46] <intelikey> same result for the first line.  but  cd '     will wait for the closing '   while  cd \   will exec on the next return key.
[07:46] <Jucato> intelikey: well, they're both escape characters aren't they? :)
[07:46] <intelikey> no one is a quote the other escapes
[07:47] <intelikey> jucato    echo '$PATH   !=   echo \$PATH
[07:47] <Zaire> wow lol I love my net connection it downloaded gnome in about 8 min lol
[07:47] <Jucato> intelikey: ok ok :)
[07:48] <Zvezdichko> Zaire, heh I don't like gnome
[07:48] <Zvezdichko> :)
[07:49] <intelikey> i like it about that much too
[07:49] <Jucato> hm... I like GNOME...
[07:49] <Jucato> but not as much as KDE
[07:49] <dennister> well, it seems my probs with bsh have disappeared...fell really stupid...but i guess i had to make the wrong-direction-slash mmistake once...being an old dos user
[07:50] <dennister> i just reallly didn't think i had
[07:50] <Zaire> I don't like gnome either Im just using it to test out xgl lol
[07:50] <Zvezdichko> that's why we have Ubuntu and Kubuntu, and Xubuntu ...
[07:50] <Zvezdichko> years ago QTs were not GPL and that's why Debian didn't support KDE
[07:50] <Jucato> around 1998-2000 iirc
[07:50] <Zaire> speaking of which brb lol
[07:50] <dennister> i must say, i thought i liked gnome at first, but i like kde better now
[07:51] <dennister> even though i haven't taken a serious stab at upgrading from 3.5.2 to the 3.5.4 yet
[07:51] <Zvezdichko> iiirc... what was that?
[07:51] <Jucato> iirc = if I remember/recall correctly
[07:52] <octan> yes
[07:52] <dennister> liir is for remotes
[07:52] <dennister> sorry liirc
[07:52] <Zvezdichko> dennister, I haven't upgraded, too. waiting for the first KDE 4 beta
[07:52] <Jucato> ah
[07:53] <Zvezdichko> Jucato, yes... but in 2000 I think Gnome was better than KDE
[07:53] <intelikey> twm
[07:54] <Jucato> :)
[07:54] <intelikey> weighs next to nothing.  :)
[07:54] <intelikey> works
[07:54] <intelikey> is fast
[07:54] <Zvezdichko> intelikey, I can start the X server without a window manager. I have done this before and it's working
[07:55] <intelikey> me too  but you can't do anything unless you attach something to it
[07:55] <Zvezdichko> I just have to include a line in the .xinitrc to launch xterm after startup
[07:56] <intelikey> X & sleep 12 ;xterm --display :0
[07:56] <intelikey> no line needed
[07:56] <Zvezdichko> yes, that's right
[07:56] <Zaire> damn wth does it take to get xgl working
[07:56] <Zvezdichko> as for the old window managers good old fvwm95... what a nostalgy
[07:56] <intelikey> !glx
[07:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about glx - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:57] <intelikey> !nv
[07:57] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:57] <Zaire> !xgl
[07:57] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[07:57] <Zvezdichko> !aptitude
[07:57] <ubotu> aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT, like apt-get. However, aptitude can remember the dependencies installed with a package and remove them if you uninstall. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[07:58] <Zaire> ah screw it I don't feel like messing with the extra crap at the moment lol
[07:58] <dennister> well, since I can continue deleting now, and then reinstall my lamp...cya folks
[07:58] <dennister> thnks!
[07:59] <Zvezdichko> OK, good luclk
[07:59] <Zvezdichko> :)
[08:01] <clojster> hi, how can I simply hide some menu items in Kmenu?
[08:02] <intelikey> kmenueditor
[08:02] <intelikey> kmenuedit  that is
[08:03] <Jucato> (or right-click on the K Menu and select Menu Editor...)
[08:03] <clojster> well... i don't see the otion to hide menuitem in kmenuedit
[08:05] <clojster> *option
[08:06] <Ryan_> where should my desktop config file be
[08:06] <intelikey> ~/.kde/ someplace
[08:09] <Zvezdichko> hey, houston, we've had a problem here
[08:10] <intelikey> who called huston ?
[08:10] <Zvezdichko> Atlantis space shuttle ;)
[08:10] <Zvezdichko> we can't install flash player for Konqueror
[08:10] <Zvezdichko> :0
[08:10] <intelikey> not even
[08:11] <Jucato> !flashplugin-nonfree
[08:11] <intelikey> !flash
[08:11] <ubotu> flashplugin-nonfree: Macromedia Flash Player plugin installer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 7.0.63.3ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 16 kB, installed size 136 kB (Only available for i386)
[08:11] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:11] <LKC> if i wanted to make my comp in to a big juke box for my brother to play his music in his room what would be the best program to use?
[08:11] <Zvezdichko> lol, I hope this will work with conqueror
[08:12] <clojster> so is there any way to actually hide menuitem and not to delete it?
[08:12] <intelikey> LKC sox
[08:12] <kuto> how do you open a new tab for chat connection using konversation?
[08:12] <Jucato> Zvezdichko: it will
[08:12] <clojster> something like checkbox "hide/show"
[08:12] <Jucato> kuto: different server?
[08:12] <intelikey> LKC sox is the best.
[08:12] <LKC> how do i get my writing red?
[08:12] <kuto> Jucato: yes
[08:12] <intelikey> no question the very best, is sox
[08:12] <Jucato> kuto: just connect to that other server and it will have it's own tab
[08:12] <Homer> I kinda like kvirc
[08:13] <Jucato> kuto: for example, freenode will have its own tab, DALnet will have its own, etc.
[08:13] <Zvezdichko> Xchat has multitabbing
[08:13] <Zvezdichko> :0
[08:13] <intelikey> sox is IT!
[08:13] <Zvezdichko> apt-get install xchat
[08:13] <LKC> thx
[08:13] <Jucato> Zvezdichko: so does Konversation
[08:13] <Homer> or kvirc :p
[08:13] <intelikey> Zvezdichko irssi has multi-tabbing
[08:14] <Jucato> lol
[08:14] <Homer> bitchx has multiserver
[08:14] <Zvezdichko> and BitchX...
[08:14] <Zvezdichko> you take the words from my mouth
[08:14] <Zvezdichko> :)
[08:14] <intelikey> Homer :)
[08:14] <intelikey> epic
[08:14] <kuto> ok got it tnx
[08:14] <intelikey> LKC i didn't
[08:15] <intelikey> lkc your irc client highlights when your nick is in the text
[08:15] <LKC> ok thx
[08:15] <Zvezdichko> !xchat-console
[08:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xchat-console - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:16] <Zvezdichko> oh...
[08:17] <intelikey> LKC and also of note.  you ask about "best"  that's just begging for a flame war.    best is subjective   they are all good apps and each 'better' at the one thing they were designed for.    but there is no 'best' blah.    cause we all have openions and they dont agree.
[08:18] <LKC> well i did really ask for the best app for use as a stereo that does the job like itunes or WMP but better
[08:18] <Zaire> well Im off to watch a movie and go to bed...laters
[08:18] <LKC> also must be very user friendly
[08:19] <Ryan_> im booting from a live cd trying to change some display setting on an installed kubuntu how do i get permission  to assess the .kde file to get to my config file
[08:19] <intelikey> LKC  i wasn't just joking (although it was a joke) when i said sox is the way to play music.  but it's only a cli filter that lets you read music files to the digital sound device.  it comes with a cli frontend "play"  which togather they are very good in my openion.  but im not you.
[08:20] <Zvezdichko> lol, installed the flash plugin, some sites look OK, except the NASA website
[08:20] <intelikey> prolly using flash8
[08:21] <Homer> hasn't adobe been working on updating flash?
[08:21] <LKC> intelikey is ox much like WMP or iTunes or Amarok to look at because he is very visual based so it must look nice
[08:21] <LKC> *sox
[08:22] <intelikey> no nothing like them at all
[08:22] <intelikey> vlc is a lot more like them
[08:22] <LKC> is it pleasant to look at?
[08:22] <intelikey> nothing to see
[08:22] <intelikey> it's cli
[08:22] <Zvezdichko> as we started talking about NASA, I think about watching NASA TV through the browser. There is a realplayer plugin for firefox, but is there a plugin for konqueror...
[08:22] <intelikey> !cli
[08:22] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via applications -> accessories -> terminal (gnome) or kmenu -> system -> konsole (kde). Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[08:23] <Zvezdichko> also, having problems with taking screenshots when playing a clip. the player ( whatever it is ) shows a blue screen on the screenie
[08:23] <Homer> dude adobe is saying Q1 2007
[08:23] <Homer> by then I think gnash will be able to play flash 9 files anyway
[08:23] <LKC> yeah i was thinking vlc or amarok too start with but was wondering if there are alternatives that play all files and display them weel
[08:24] <intelikey> !mplayer
[08:24] <ubotu> mplayer is a media player. Enable multiverse repo and type sudo apt-get install mplayer for more info please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer  To compile it from source see:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer/Compile
[08:24] <ubotu> For Codecs try !codecs Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MplayerInstallHowto for installation tips.
[08:24] <intelikey> !audacity
[08:24] <ubotu> audacity: A fast, cross-platform audio editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2.4b-2ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 1842 kB, installed size 5460 kB
[08:24] <intelikey> !vlc
[08:24] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[08:25] <intelikey> bastards
[08:25] <Zvezdichko> cute tongue
[08:25] <intelikey> well i cant spell illegitimate brats
[08:25] <LKC> kool thx for the help will give them all a go seeing i have 80 gig to fill
[08:26] <intelikey> besides when did bastard become a bad word ?
[08:27] <intelikey> but if it offends you.  i'll try to refrain from using it in here.
[08:28] <Zvezdichko> who were you talking to ;)
[08:28] <intelikey> da fella dat commented on my comment.....   errr you.
[08:28] <Zvezdichko> anyway, bastard is not a bad word, use it as you wish :)
[08:29] <intelikey> then what was "<Zvezdichko> cute tongue"  all about ?
[08:29] <intelikey> never mind.
[08:30] <Zvezdichko> it's sounds good :)
[08:30] <Zvezdichko> it*
[08:32] <Ryan_> whats the root password for a live cd
[08:32] <Ryan_> ubuntu
[08:32] <intelikey> there isn't one
[08:32] <intelikey> !sudo
[08:32] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[08:32] <Ryan_> how do i setr
[08:32] <Ryan_> set*
[08:33] <comosomos> ju?
[08:33] <intelikey> if you want a root passwd on the live do   sudo passwd
[08:33] <Zvezdichko> I think you can set a password with sudo passwd
[08:33] <comosomos> yes you can
[08:33] <Ryan_> ah....i forgot the sudo part ...thanks
[08:34] <intelikey> Ryan_ why would you want a password on the live cd ?
[08:34] <intelikey> sudo -i   is instant root     ubuntu is root jr.  on the live
[08:34] <comosomos> i tried ones to install xgl on the live cd
[08:35] <intelikey> hehhe i'm from southern US  setr  seemed normal....
[08:36] <intelikey> maybe set'r
[08:38] <intelikey> brang'r in here, and set'r right thar.
[08:41] <LKC> how hard is Xgl/compiz to install out of 10 for a person who is comfortable with Kubuntu but not pro?
[08:42] <intelikey> LKC i have no idea.   i haven't started a gui in three days  iirc.
[08:43] <intelikey> and never tried to setup all that fancy stuff
[08:44] <LKC> ok, well i dont think i could survive 3 days with out a GUI if i was given a choice. i could manage but i think i would go crazy
[08:45] <intelikey> i thought about installing the nvidia drivers for my card one time, just so i could answer questions on that issue.  but saw so many others installing nvidia drivers i figured there would be plenty of help on that point.
[08:46] <LKC> so u dont have a gui bcoz u have bo nvisia drivers?
[08:46] <intelikey> LKC some like the gui some like the cli. some like them both  but they usually get over that, and become cli geeks.
[08:46] <intelikey> i have a gui.  just don't use it.
[08:46] <intelikey> kde runs well here.
[08:47] <intelikey> if you want the pointy clicky thingy
[08:47] <intelikey> i got it.
[08:47] <LKC> what does the i stand for in cli?
[08:47] <intelikey> interface
[08:47] <intelikey> same in gui
[08:47] <intelikey> !cli
[08:47] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via applications -> accessories -> terminal (gnome) or kmenu -> system -> konsole (kde). Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[08:48] <intelikey> !gui
[08:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gui - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:48] <intelikey> hehhe even the bot dont like gui.... lol
[08:49] <LKC> if MS had its way nobody would have cli and nobody would no cl
[08:49] <intelikey> if M$ had it's way there would be only one os.
[08:50] <intelikey> if i had my way M$ would never make another cent... so...
[08:50] <LKC> no i think linux deseves compition
[08:51] <Zvezdichko> Years ago my parents tried to use linux for bisness, but ...
[08:51] <Zvezdichko> do you know what happened?
[08:51] <intelikey> maybe you misread me.   i din't say M$ would cease to exist.  i said they would not "sell" any more software.
[08:52] <intelikey> years ago ?    linux is reletively young
[08:52] <intelikey> started 1095
[08:52] <Zvezdichko> I know. It was 3 years ago...
[08:52] <intelikey> 1995
[08:52] <intelikey> ooops
[08:53] <LKC> well whats wrong with selling an OS? Novell does it with SuSE
[08:53] <intelikey> i just made linux a thousand years old,  hope linus doesn't see that.
[08:53] <Zvezdichko> but anyway, Linux in 2003 is old... I don't think that the situation has changed much now... because it was not because of the OS. The OS was good, we had a great office suite and wonderful programmes
[08:53] <Zvezdichko> it was because of the goddamn M$ file formats
[08:54] <Zvezdichko> imagine that a client comes, gives you a USB flash, and he says: There is a .doc file, I want it printed
[08:54] <lupine_85> LKC: 5/10
[08:54] <Zvezdichko> you open the doc file in OpenOffice, and huh! the document doesn't look OK. You have to format the page again and again
[08:55] <lupine_85> that's what PDF is for :)
[08:55] <Zvezdichko> we lose time, the client get innerved... and next time he won't come to our office...
[08:55] <intelikey> LKC i didn't say there was anything wrong with commerce.   it's the dirty/crocked/evil business actions  that turn me against M$   besides read the  EULA  and tell me you can agree to that in all honesty.
[08:56] <Zvezdichko> lupine_85, yes, that's PDF, but how to tell these people- don't use MS word and Word's file formats
[08:56] <LKC> i have nvr read a EULA bcoz they are too long and i know they are full of crap but i still agree
[08:56] <Isoss> Guys is there some /ubuntu/kubuntu link for available network drivers?
[08:56] <Zvezdichko> as intelikey says, it's a matter of business.
[08:56] <Isoss> I searched and can't find one
[08:57] <mark_> hey guys
[08:57] <Zvezdichko> also, there was a printer that didn't want to work with Linux.
[08:57] <mark_> can you help me?
[08:57] <Zvezdichko> there weren't any drivers on linuxprinting, the printer was not supported. and my parents gave up linux unfortunately :(
[08:57] <mark_> my firefox keeps crashing linux
[08:57] <arunkale> Hey, people
[08:58] <lupine_85> Zvezdichko: tell them that, in order to ensure there aren't problems with fonts and macros, you only accept documents in PDF format. Simple :). Oh, and with turboprint, you can get ust about all printers working
[08:58] <LKC> i have a linux problem with my printer too but bcoz of my gaming habits i use M$ so much it dont matter
[08:58] <lupine_85> That or you call PDF the "preferred" format and set up CrossOver Office
[08:58] <arunkale> hello mr werewolf
[08:59] <lupine_85> helllooooooooooooooooo :)
[08:59] <Zvezdichko> mark_, when is it crashing linux? directly after startup
[08:59] <Zvezdichko> any significant error messages?
[08:59] <mark_> no
[08:59] <mark_> it does it randomly
[08:59] <intelikey> Zvezdichko yeppers.  and thats just the sort of thing i mean.     anyone that buys/uses propritary hardware is paying M$ in the initial purchase and supporting the 'monopoly' that they are trying to build in the same process.      short answer don't buy propritary hardware.
[08:59] <Zvezdichko> how did it install it
[08:59] <mark_> but my linux will only crash when it's running
[08:59] <mark_> using automatix ><
[09:00] <mark_> im also running a i686 kernel
[09:00] <LKC> if im upateing 2 machines with roughly the same updates is there a way to update both without having to download the updates twice?
[09:00] <Zvezdichko> mark_, I won't advise you to use automatix. I installed it yesterday and it messed my sources.list and didn't set the multiverse properly
[09:00] <arunkale> lupine_85: If I 'calculate' the amount of space used by my Linux partition, it says it's using 7.4GB which is impossible
[09:01] <lupine_85> LKC: rsync the /var/cache/apt/archives (IIRC) directory
[09:01] <intelikey> lupine_85 & Zvezdichko abiword   formating seems ok to me.  but i haven't used it much.
[09:01] <arunkale> lupine_85: I think it also calculates stuff in the 'media' folder
[09:01] <lupine_85> arunkale: not sure what you mean
[09:01] <osh_> Is there a known bug in the flash-nonfree-package that was just distributed? I get an error while installing.
[09:01] <lupine_85> if you're using du, use -x to keep it all on one FS
[09:01] <lupine_85> df -h shows you per-partition usage stats anyway, though
[09:02] <mark_> while i havent had the sources problem Zvezdichko, i have had it install a buggy firefox or plugins
[09:02] <Zvezdichko> intelikey, I'm a little surprised that there are people in america that hate M$ much. It shouldn't be so expensive to buy Windows. In Bulgaria the standart is different, people are poor and we can't afford it
[09:02] <LKC> lupine_85 plz explain in n00b talk
[09:02] <arunkale> lupine_85: My Linux drive icon shows up on the desktop.. if I right click > properties, there's an option to calculate how much disc space is being used
[09:02] <intelikey> LKC yes.   copy the content of /var/cache/apt/archives/   to the second box then update it
[09:02] <mark_> btw did you choose cancel when it asked to restore your repos?
[09:02] <Zvezdichko> or most people can't afford it ( as for me I have a licensed copy of XP home )
[09:03] <intelikey> Zvezdichko there are poor in america tooo
[09:03] <intelikey> the poor you have with you always.
[09:03] <lupine_85> LKC: set up openssh-server on one computer. On the other computer, run rsync with the correct options to copy all of the folder /var/cache/apt/archives to the remote computer. man rsync for those
[09:03] <LKC> so i copy the files then load up adept and then do what?
[09:03] <lupine_85> no need to do anything else - it'll use the files automagically
[09:04] <intelikey> same as you did on the other box LKC
[09:04] <intelikey> LKC apt won't dl files that are already there.
[09:04] <Zvezdichko> mark_, apt-get remove mozilla-firefox
[09:04] <Zvezdichko> apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[09:04] <Zvezdichko> try again
[09:04] <Zvezdichko> hope this will work
[09:04] <lupine_85> you could also set up a third computer as a just-in-time, caching repo mirror, but that's a PITA
[09:05] <mark_> tried that 5 times
[09:05] <mark_> im thinking about nuking its directories
[09:05] <mark_> or maybe creating a new one
[09:05] <lupine_85> mark_: have you tried restoring your old sources.list and then apt-get remove --purge mozilla-firefox ?
[09:05] <lupine_85> (then reinstall, obviously). --purge deletes all config files for you
[09:06] <mark_> ill try purge
[09:06] <mark_> my old sources list is still intact
[09:06] <intelikey> mark_ don't forget to always update the database after changes to sources.list
[09:06] <intelikey> sudo apt-get update
[09:06] <intelikey> or adept update
[09:06] <intelikey> apply
[09:06] <Homer> is there any packages to get java working in konq
[09:07] <lupine_85> use that one, then - otherwise you could just pull in the automatix version again (I've never used it, so couldn't say for sure)
[09:07] <intelikey> or what ever it is.
[09:07] <LKC> firstly i cant set up a network im running the computers indepently so the therory must be able to be done with a USB key
[09:07] <mark_> aww crap no it isnt
[09:07] <intelikey> !java
[09:07] <ubotu> To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[09:07] <mark_> i told automatic not to do tha ><
[09:07] <lupine_85> LKC: perfectly possible with a USB key
[09:07] <Zvezdichko> OK, guys. We started talking about marketing and Linux. Do you think that If we'd had Linux as good as it is now in 1998, Windows 98 wouldn't have had a chance at all...
[09:07] <lupine_85> just a bit more hassle
[09:07] <kuto> how do i login as root in kubuntu using gui, i can only su - using cli
[09:07] <mark_> anyone have a sources.list they wanna donate?
[09:07] <lupine_85> Windows 98++ !
[09:07] <intelikey> mark you only need three lines really.   i'll post them.
[09:08] <intelikey> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper main restricted universe multiverse
[09:08] <intelikey> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-updates main restricted universe multiverse
[09:08] <intelikey> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main restricted universe multiverse
[09:08] <lupine_85> no dapper-backports? ;)
[09:08] <mark_> i want my backports
[09:08] <intelikey> not needed.  but you can add backports
[09:09] <intelikey> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[09:09] <Zvezdichko> lupine_85, yes, windows 98... Definitely Linux nowadays is better than 98. But XP was a great step for Micro$ux, and Vista will be a leap...
[09:09] <obf213> i need help with a self extracting file
[09:09] <mark_> zvez, it will be a leap into a ditch
[09:09] <intelikey> what flavour ?
[09:10] <obf213> i cd to the directory and the typed in filename.run and it says permission denied.
[09:10] <mark_> not even my brand new comp will run it
[09:10] <kuto> how do i login as root in kubuntu using gui, i can only su - using cli..anyone?
[09:10] <obf213> if i do cd it says it command not found?
[09:10] <lupine_85> 98 is better than XP, IMO
[09:10] <arunkale> How do I check how much free space I have on my partition?
[09:10] <Zvezdichko> imagine using Vista in Bulgaria... most people have computers like mine - Pentium 3 800 Mhz, 40 GB hdd, 256 ram
[09:10] <intelikey> obf213 chmod
[09:10] <arunkale> ??
[09:11] <lupine_85> df -h :)
[09:11] <intelikey> or in knoqueror make it executable
[09:11] <intelikey> arunkale df
[09:11] <arunkale> okay
[09:11] <obf213> ahh ok
[09:11] <arunkale> thanks!!
[09:12] <obf213> intelikey hwo do i use chmod
[09:12] <obf213> chmod then the file name?
[09:12] <intelikey> Zvezdichko wish i had something that big and powerful.  you should be proud of it.
[09:12] <intelikey> obf213 chmod 755 file.name
[09:13] <intelikey> ./file.name
[09:13] <Zvezdichko> intelikey, what is your configuration
[09:13] <obf213> ok
[09:13] <Zvezdichko> HDD, CPU... etc
[09:13] <intelikey> p1 mmx 100mhz 600mb hd 64m ram
[09:14] <arunkale> I found a way to make my fonts on Kubuntu look like they do on a Mac
[09:14] <LKC> what packages do i need for my wireless card and how do i config it?
[09:14] <intelikey> over clocked it to 266mhz  now it seems really fast.....  to me.
[09:15] <intelikey> !wifi
[09:15] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[09:15] <obf213> intelikey, does that make so i can use sudo or something
[09:15] <Zvezdichko> 600 Mb hdd... what have you installed on this?
[09:15] <obf213> or was supposed to exectute the file
[09:15] <intelikey> obf213 no it makes it executable
[09:15] <obf213> ahh ok thanks
[09:15] <obf213> i c
[09:15] <intelikey> Zvezdichko ubuntu linux and kde
[09:16] <Zvezdichko> it should be over 700 IMO then
[09:16] <intelikey> i have to tinker to get kde to fit.  cut a few corners yes
[09:17] <arunkale> How do I change the way certain form fields show up in browsers? submit buttons, radio buttons, input fields, etc
[09:17] <intelikey> no room for a swap file.  last time i checked 23m free
[09:17] <Zvezdichko> I think that my Pentium 3 machine is less than 5$0
[09:17] <intelikey> aaaa 22m
[09:17] <marius_> nekdo, kdo rozumi cesky?
[09:18] <Zvezdichko> don't worry intelikey, it's worse here
[09:19] <Zvezdichko> computers in our schools are also pentium at 100 Mhz, there are een 486 DXs and Pravetzs
[09:19] <arunkale> How do I change the way certain form fields show up in browsers? submit buttons, radio buttons, input fields, etc
[09:21] <intelikey> Zvezdichko yes.  i'm sure the avarage is.  i was just pointing out that avarages are calculated but don't give a real sense of the normal.   i.e.    M$ gates has 9.84billion  that and one million have nothing   the avarage is over 9,000 per person....  not a good reflection of what is really happening.
[09:22] <Zvezdichko> we still have a chance gates to commite a suicide before vista is released :)
[09:22] <Zvezdichko> commit*
[09:23] <intelikey> no.  i wouldn't wish that on him.
[09:23] <obf213> im trying to opne adept aand it just seems lik eit one open, i c it in in my processess list when i open top in the terminal though
[09:23] <Zvezdichko> that was a joke :)
[09:24] <Zvezdichko> a bit nasty, but it's still a joke :) [I'm christian] 
[09:24] <intelikey> obf213 [alt] +[tab] 
[09:25] <obf213> intelikey its not open
[09:26] <intelikey> wait obf213 you see the process in top  and you way it's not running ?
[09:26] <intelikey> s/way/say/
[09:26] <obf213> yes i c adept listed in system guard and htop
[09:26] <obf213> but i dont see adept, its not opening
[09:26] <intelikey> kill it
[09:26] <Jucato> obf213: are you sure it's not adept_notifier that you're seeing?
[09:27] <obf213> errr it just says adept in system moniter
[09:27] <obf213> and adept in htop/top
[09:27] <Zvezdichko> Will they ban me if I paste an imageshack link?
[09:27] <Jucato> why would they? unless it's against CoC
[09:27] <Zvezdichko> because it's a link
[09:28] <intelikey> kill it run    sudo killall adept ; sudo dpkg --configure -a       and restart adept
[09:28] <Jucato> so?
[09:28] <intelikey> Zvezdichko post it.
[09:28] <Jucato> as long as it is not offensive there's no reason for you to be banned
[09:28] <intelikey> if they dont like it they may.... but not just for one spam
[09:29] <obf213> intelikey thanks it opened now
[09:30] <arunkale> How do I change the way certain form fields show up in browsers? submit buttons, radio buttons, input fields, etc
[09:30] <Jucato> intelikey: thanks!!
[09:32] <obf213> my computer is just hanging when it gets to preparing
[09:32] <obf213> a pacakage in adpet
[09:33] <Zvezdichko> http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/3442/snapshot7pd0.jpg
[09:33] <Zvezdichko> that's my desktop
[09:35] <Jucato> see that wasn't so bad? :P
[09:35] <intelikey> obf213 note the package name    close adept   and in the konsole enter   sudo apt-get inatall <that package name>       watch for error messages
[09:36] <Zvezdichko> Jucato, It's good... maybe I should try some karambas but they're too heavy  :)
[09:37] <Jucato> wb intelikey
[09:37] <intelikey> and the daily modem reset kicks in.
[09:37] <intelikey> ty
[09:38] <Zvezdichko> wubs
[09:38] <Zvezdichko> did you see my screenie
[09:38] <Zvezdichko> :P
[09:38] <LKC> i finally found a project to make a driver for my wirless http://linux-bcom4301.sourceforge.net/ can anybody help me find where to download it?
[09:38] <intelikey> saw the url
[09:38] <intelikey> Jucato did the fellow get my message about  adept/apt-get ?
[09:39] <Jucato> nope. he left before you even typed the message
[09:39] <arunkale> hey Jucato
[09:39] <intelikey> ah well.   autocompleeted the nick...  didn't notice an exit message.
[09:39] <Jucato> arunkale: hi
[09:40] <arunkale> Jucato: How do I change the way certain form fields show up in browsers? submit buttons, radio buttons, input fields, etc
[09:40] <Jucato> arunkale: er... sorry I don't know
[09:40] <intelikey> arunkale just so you know i wasn't ignoring you.   i don't know either.
[09:41] <arunkale> yeah, i got it :)
[09:41] <arunkale> thanks
[09:41] <arunkale> i think i should just get a better theme
[09:42] <Zvezdichko> intelikey, modem? what kind of ISP is that
[09:42] <intelikey> changing the theme might change the things you are wanting to change,   but i kinda doubt it.
[09:43] <BTJustice> I am running the latest version of Kubuntu on Live CD.  I take it I cannot access my Windows hard drives for that reason?
[09:43] <intelikey> Zvezdichko  dialup   the only other option is satalite.   no wireless or hs wires here.  too rural
[09:43] <intelikey> BTJustice mount it.
[09:43] <BTJustice> I can do that with Live CD?
[09:43] <Zvezdichko> that's kinda strange. we are talking about Houston, TX...
[09:44] <BTJustice> I click on System Menu > Storage and the hard drives are lsited.
[09:44] <BTJustice> But they still have ot be mounted?
[09:44] <intelikey> sudo mount /dev/hda1 /media/something -o umask=0
[09:44] <Zvezdichko> better place that line into /etc/fstab
[09:44] <BTJustice> mount: can't find /dev/hda1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[09:44] <intelikey> Zvezdichko i don't live within 1000k of houston tx
[09:45] <intelikey> hda1 was a guess.    sudo fdisk -l    should help you find it.
[09:45] <BTJustice> oh wait... its formatted NTFS.
[09:45] <BTJustice> No, I right-clicked on it and left-clicked on MOUNT
[09:45] <BTJustice> that is the message that pops up
[09:45] <Zvezdichko> in pleven ( the small  town I live, no skyscrapers, etc ) there are only two ISPs - OptiSprint ( Optical) and Eurocom ( Cable internet + cable modem )
[09:46] <obf213> i was trying to install a packaage and it kept hanging when it got to the installing part, so i ran it in console and i got this error message
[09:47] <Zvezdichko> BTJustice, see my /etc/fstab
[09:47] <Zvezdichko> /dev/hda5       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[09:47] <Zvezdichko> /dev/hda1       /media/hda1     ntfs    defaults,nls=utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0       1
[09:47] <Zvezdichko> /dev/hda2       /media/hda2     ntfs    defaults,nls=utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0       1
[09:47] <Zvezdichko> /dev/hda6       none            swap    sw              0       0
[09:47] <Zvezdichko> /dev/hdd        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0
[09:47] <Zvezdichko> /dev/fd0        /media/floppy0  auto    rw,user,noauto  0       0
[09:47] <obf213> Errors were encountered while processing:
[09:47] <obf213>  /var/cache/apt/archives/postfix_2.2.10-1ubuntu0.1_i386.deb
[09:47] <Jucato> Zvezdichko: don't flood please
[09:47] <Jucato> !pastebin
[09:47] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[09:47] <obf213> what does it mean if there is error with postifx?
[09:47] <Zvezdichko> Jucato, I'm sorry. In Xchat it looked like one line ..
[09:48] <BTJustice> I don;t see it
[09:48] <Jucato> Zvezdichko: he's on a live CD remember
[09:48] <obf213> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) what does this mean
[09:49] <intelikey> it's the little symbol that i cant print for obvious reasons   its an psy over a little T    that tells the irc server to \n (new line)   Zvezdichko    that's why it flooded
[09:50] <obf213> intelikey i get an error with postfix
[09:50] <Zvezdichko> I jumped on the page Jucato printed ( pastebin )
[09:50] <BTJustice> I guess I can;t mount any hard dirves since I am running Kubuntu off the Live CD.  It isn;t installed on my computer.
[09:50] <Jucato> obf213: you were trying to install postfix?
[09:50] <intelikey> obf213 i do too
[09:51] <obf213> i was trying to install lsb
[09:51] <intelikey> what error ?
[09:52] <intelikey> obf213 i need the error.  not the dpkg error the one from the setup scripts that cause the dpkg error  look above it
[09:52] <obf213> it says postfix is not going to be installed
[09:53] <obf213> it says Depends: postfix but is nto going to be installed or mail-transport-agent
[09:53] <intelikey> look a little higher
[09:54] <visik7> anyone got problems with flashplugin from backports ?
[09:54] <obf213> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[09:54] <visik7> obf213: ok I'm not alone
[09:55] <intelikey> or we can cludge around in the dark.    obf213 try this    sudo apt-get install -f 2| less
[09:56] <obf213> alrigtht
[09:56] <BTJustice> I guess I can't mount any hard drives since I am running Kubuntu off the Live CD.  It isn't installed on my computer.
[09:56] <intelikey> BTJustice i told you how to mount them.
[09:56] <intelikey> man mount
[09:56] <Jucato> BTJustice: yes you can, you just need to 1) create a mount point for it and 2) mount it manually
[09:57] <BTJustice> Uhg... command line...
[09:57] <Jucato> BTJustice: I never said anything about a command line :P
[09:57] <BTJustice> intelikey did
[09:57] <Jucato> BTJustice: System Settings > Disks & Filesystem if you want a GUI
[09:58] <intelikey> BTJustice if you just want to whine about a gui app not functioning to your specs.   i know how to /ignore blah all
[09:58] <BTJustice> man mount
[09:58] <BTJustice> in terminal
[09:58] <BTJustice> Why can;t I do it in KDE by going to System > Storage and right-clicking on the drive then left-clicking on mount?
[09:58] <obf213> intelikey thanks
[09:59] <intelikey> obf213 so now every thing working ?
[09:59] <obf213> yes
[09:59] <Jucato> BTJustice: because there's not mount point for your Windows partition so you can't just right-click
[09:59] <intelikey> obf213 i was kinda waiting for the error message....    :)
[09:59] <BTJustice> ok
[10:00] <obf213> i dunno eveyrthing just worked
[10:00] <obf213> the self install program just ran and it worked
[10:01] <intelikey> ok that's all you wanted.
[10:01] <intelikey> and i can make my own error messages to read   lol
[10:03] <BTJustice> sudo mount /dev/hda /mnt/BACKUP
[10:03] <BTJustice> ???
[10:03] <intelikey> BTJustice no hda is the whole hd.
[10:04] <intelikey> you want the ntfs partition
[10:04] <BTJustice> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/BACKUP
[10:04] <BTJustice> mount: mount point /mnt/BACKUP does not exist
[10:04] <intelikey> hda1 or hda2 probably
[10:04] <BTJustice> ntfs yes
[10:04] <intelikey> and make the dir.
[10:05] <intelikey> sudo mkdir /mnt ;sudo mkdir /mnt/BACKUP
[10:05] <intelikey> also add a umask to that mount command
[10:05] <intelikey> sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/BACKUP -o umask=0
[10:06] <arunkale> How do I get Frostwire for Kubuntu?
[10:06] <intelikey> or your user (ubuntu) wont be able to access it
[10:06] <intelikey> !frostwire
[10:06] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[10:06] <BTJustice> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo mkdir /mnt ;sudo mkdir /mnt/BACKUP
[10:06] <BTJustice> mkdir: cannot create directory `/mnt': File exists
[10:07] <BTJustice> I can;t right-click and make a folder?
[10:07] <intelikey> it made the folder
[10:07] <Jucato> BTJustice: no, enter the commands one at a time
[10:07] <intelikey> no error means no error
[10:07] <Jucato> err... intelikey /mnt already exists by default
[10:07] <intelikey>  /mnt was there but /mnt/backup wasnt
[10:07] <BTJustice> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo mkdir /mnt
[10:07] <BTJustice> mkdir: cannot create directory `/mnt': File exists
[10:07] <BTJustice> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo mkdir /mnt/BACKUP
[10:07] <BTJustice> mkdir: cannot create directory `/mnt/BACKUP': File exists
[10:07] <BTJustice> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$
[10:07] <intelikey> now he gets two errors
[10:07] <intelikey> :)
[10:07] <intelikey> see
[10:08] <Jucato> rawr
[10:08] <BTJustice> But it made them though it said they already existed???
[10:08] <intelikey> no it made them the first time
[10:08] <mel_> hi guys, can I get some with something really quick?
[10:09] <Jucato> if you asked your question really quick, maybe we can try :)
[10:09] <intelikey> you can repete the command from now on and it will error every time.  but if you remove the folders and run it it will make them again.  (the first time)
[10:10] <BTJustice> ah
[10:10] <BTJustice> ok got it mounted
[10:10] <BTJustice> but it won;t let me copy any files from it to a folder i made on Kubuntu
[10:10] <mel_> lol, im trying to get winetools to work, but it keeps asking me if im running under X11 with GTK+ installed
[10:11] <intelikey> how did you make the folder   and  note that ubuntu is running in ram.   unless you mount a disk you are copying to ram.
[10:11] <intelikey> and did you add the umask i told you to ?
[10:11] <BTJustice> sudo mkdir /TEMP
[10:12] <BTJustice> yes I did it like you said
[10:12] <intelikey> there's the answer.  root owns TEMP
[10:12] <intelikey> chown
[10:12] <intelikey> man chown
[10:12] <arunkale> that sounds like a chinese soup
[10:12] <arunkale> heh
[10:12] <BTJustice> Linux still has all these commands you have ot do in terminal I see, lol.
[10:12] <Jucato> mel_: I don't think winetools work very well
[10:13] <BTJustice> I am just trying ot get my wireless card to work with ndiswrapper
[10:13] <Jucato> BTJustice: it's because the person giving you the instructions want to give you direct and faster instructions
[10:13] <intelikey> or sudo chown `whoami`:`groups | cut -d' ' -f1` /TEMP
[10:14] <BTJustice> I have no idea who I am since I am running Live.
[10:14] <mel_> ohh
[10:15] <mel_> this is my first time trying it out as well as today being my first day using ubuntu
[10:15] <intelikey> BTJustice just cp /paste that whole line. linux knows who you are.    and "<BTJustice> Linux still has all these commands you have ot do in terminal..."  not so  you could have made the dir in your user's home with the gui and it would have been accessable.
[10:15] <mel_> do guys like wine at all?
[10:15] <intelikey> i haven't had any wine in a long time...
[10:16] <Jucato> mel_: just use wine. winetools don't work with wine afaik
[10:16] <mel_> do know of a good tutorial for it
[10:16] <Jucato> at least not anymore from what I've heard...
[10:17] <intelikey> Jucato how can we get the bot to script this for us  ___sudo chown `whoami`:`groups | cut -d' ' -f1` $DIR ___   ???
[10:17] <Jucato> intelikey: hm.. we don't
[10:17] <intelikey> oh well it was just a thought.
[10:18] <intelikey> :)
[10:18] <Jucato> :p
[10:22] <BTJustice> well shoot, this ndiswrapper page said my xp driver would work for my card but it doesn't.  damnit!
[10:22] <Jucato> mel_: well, you could simply just install Wine from our repositories or use winehq's own repository. but since this is your first day to use Linux, I would suggest you try to get familiar with Kubuntu first before diving into slightly more complicated stuff
[10:22] <intelikey> don't you have to kill x to change the driver
[10:22] <BTJustice> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper
[10:22] <BTJustice> I have followed those instructions
[10:22] <intelikey> oh that's on wifi.  i was thinking ati vidio...   duh...
[10:22] <BTJustice> It appears to be much easier to have hardware Kubuntu already automatically supports.
[10:22] <visik7> flash isn't installable anymore
[10:22] <Jucato> visik7: what?
[10:22] <intelikey> yes non-propritary hardware is the answer.
[10:22] <BTJustice> lol
[10:22] <visik7> Jucato:
[10:22] <Jucato> intelikey: like?
[10:22] <mel_> yeah, im used gentoo for a while so Im used to things being complicated, lol
[10:22] <BTJustice> I have a TrendNET TEW-423PI wireless card which has the Marvel chipset.
[10:22] <intelikey> my real modem ?
[10:22] <Jucato> mel_: ok, I thought you meant it was your first time on Linux :)
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[10:22] <BTJustice> 0000:00:0a.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88w8335 [Libertas]  802.11b/g Wireless (rev 03)
[10:22] <BTJustice> So it already sees it but won;t use it.
[10:22] <arunkale> umm.. in some web pages.. light grey looks like light pink.. how do i fix this?
[10:23] <intelikey> Jucato 3d you may never find.  but there are some good cards that open source drivers work well with.
[10:23] <Jucato> intelikey: but then, we do need the 3D :P
[10:23] <Jucato> or at least I do
[10:23] <intelikey> need !   bah.
[10:24] <intelikey> want != need
[10:24] <Jucato> games = need = 3d acceleration :P
[10:24] <intelikey> want > need   sometimes, but that's a different philo
[10:24] <Jucato> 3d graphics/blender = need = 3d acceleration
[10:26] <intelikey> philo' sophia'  knowledge, the love of.
[10:26] <intelikey> death of many.
[10:26] <Jucato> course of mine :P
[10:26] <arunkale> anyone?
[10:26] <intelikey> shared, i'm sure
 i may as well be, lol
[10:27] <intelikey> arunkale unless setting the hue in the gui will help.  i have no clue.
[10:27] <BTJustice> Thanks for the help guys.
[10:28] <intelikey> kde may be rendering to much enhancement to the opique
[10:28] <arunkale> intelikey: how do i do that?
[10:28] <intelikey> arunkale kcontorl
[10:29] <intelikey> kcontrol   even
[10:29] <arunkale> ??
[10:29] <arunkale> i'm in system settings
[10:30] <intelikey> ah it's some where in there.  don't make me start a gui just to hunt for it.
[10:30] <arunkale> haha
[10:33] <intelikey> eeek  i need a kernel face lift.  sound is hosed.
[10:34] <kaffeine> any one lirc spesialists  what mean ./config.cache dialog not found ! after  when i run ./configure in lirc source version 0.8.0
[10:38] <intelikey> dialog is an app for convercing with the terminal
[10:38] <KnoKno> please help! How can I set up internet?
[10:38] <intelikey> sudo apt-get install dialog
[10:38] <intelikey> KnoKno can you be more vague ?
[10:38] <KnoKno> my eng is very bad :D
[10:38] <KnoKno> sorry
[10:38] <Jucato> intelikey: I can :)
[10:38] <intelikey> Jucato you can help KnoKno ?
[10:38] <Jucato> intelikey: no, I can be more vague :P
[10:38] <intelikey> !network
[10:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about network - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:38] <intelikey> !wifi
[10:38] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[10:38] <Jucato> KnoKno: what language do you speak?
[10:38] <intelikey> yes you are.  i'm network illiterate.
[10:38] <KnoKno> latvian :)
[10:38] <Jucato> ooh...
[10:39] <Jucato> intelikey: you? illiterate? that's highly unintelikely
[10:39] <intelikey> well would you at least beleave a high school drop out ?
[10:39] <Jucato> no
[10:40] <intelikey> actually i am.
[10:40] <Jucato> not even for one second
[10:40] <Jucato> a millisecond perhaps...
[10:40] <intelikey> i dropped out in the middle of the twelvth grade.
[10:41] <Jucato> anyway, going back to the topic?
[10:41] <intelikey> january 5 or 6     1983
[10:41] <Jucato> hm.. that was months away from the day I was born :P
[10:41] <kaffeine> intelikey  u know what driver i need to select for technisat airstar 2 dig- tv card
[10:41] <KnoKno`> I need to know where I can specify DNS servers
[10:42] <intelikey> i thought of that when you revealed you starting time stamp.... :)
[10:42] <CroX> Is there any good FTP client with gui that's standard in KDE?
[10:42] <CroX> Can't find any
[10:42] <Jucato> CroX: Konqueror
[10:42] <Jucato> KnoKno: maybe in System Settings > Network Connections ?
[10:42] <CroX> Jucato: Thanks
[10:42] <devilx> hi, I've got a question about Kubuntu in use with kickstart. I have the problem, that Kubuntu (everytime I kickstart it) wants to use security.ubuntu.com as security-updates mirror. In fact, this won't work on the network I'm on, since there is no direct connection to outside hosts, only via squid. Is there a possibillity to change kubuntu's security updates source?
[10:42] <intelikey> kaffeine sorry no.  i have no idea.   if google can't help   there is always  #buntu  and  ##linux
[10:43] <intelikey> you can ask in them
[10:43] <kaffeine> ok thanks
[10:43] <intelikey> CroX konqueror is as good as it gets.
[10:44] <KnoKno`> there I only see IP, Subnet & gateway fields
[10:45] <CroX> intelikey: Hrm.. Maybe Filezilla is available
[10:45] <intelikey> devilx yes there is.  and you can proxie the connection also    but i don't know enough to even get you confused real well.
[10:45] <Jucato> CroX: you said standard in KDE..
[10:45] <CroX> Jucato: Yeah, I know. And since Konqueror doesn't cut it for me, I'm going outside that. :P
[10:45] <intelikey> CroX apt-cache search ftp | less
[10:46] <CroX> intelikey: Thanks, I'll look around
[10:46] <intelikey> gftp is standard in ubuntu  also.
[10:46] <intelikey> i like ncftp
[10:46] <KnoKno`> Ok, I try to find out my problem in kubuntu forums
[10:46] <intelikey> but it's not gui
[10:47] <arunkale> FTP in konqueror is brilliant
[10:47] <arunkale> it works superfast for me
[10:48] <CroX> kftpgrabber looks nice
[10:48] <Jucato> CroX: in what way does Konquero not cut it for you?
[10:49] <CroX> Jucato: For starters, I want two browserwindows
[10:49] <abattoir> hmmm...
[10:49] <CroX> Jucato: Chances are, ofcourse, that I'm neglecting features I don't know of
[10:49] <Jucato> CroX: you can open 2 instances of Konqueror
[10:49] <abattoir> How do i always manage to come when there are debates about browsers? :P
[10:49] <arunkale> haha
[10:49] <visik7> flash is broken
[10:49] <abattoir> CroX: click at the bottom(status bar)->Split view(horizontal/vertical)
[10:50] <intelikey> CroX sounds like you might like gentoo
[10:50] <Jucato> abattoir: it's not a browser debate
[10:50] <Jucato> it's an FTP client debate :P
[10:50] <intelikey> not the distro.   the app.
[10:50] <blackflag> hello all :)
[10:50] <abattoir> CroX: does konqueror now have 2 'browserindows' ?
[10:50] <CroX> Also, I like an easily manageble session handler. So I can setup multiple FTP accounts and quickly connect to them
[10:50] <arunkale> when i'm working with files.. these green 'temp' icons show up.. but they're still thre even after i save and close the file
[10:50] <CroX> abattoir: I'll check
[10:50] <abattoir> unless you meant something else
[10:51] <CroX> abattoir: That's nice
[10:51] <intelikey> arunkale backup files ?   like    blah~
[10:52] <blackflag> I want to install software from edgy. I did an entry in sources.list but now I dont know how to get a package from edgy. How can I install a package from edgy? can someone help?
[10:52] <abattoir> CroX: that works almost anywhere, so you can browse 2 different sites, or one site, and use ftp in the other, or ssh or bleh, i'm too tired to explain everything :P
[10:52] <arunkale> yeah
[10:52] <arunkale> with the tilde
[10:53] <Jucato> blackflag: are you running Dapper or Edgy?
[10:53] <blackflag> Im running dapper
[10:53] <CroX> abattoir: Heh, I get the idea
[10:54] <CroX> abattoir: And thanks, that's a nice feature
[10:54] <Jucato> blackflag: it's not good to mix repos from Edgy
[10:54] <abattoir> CroX: :), thank the Konq. hackers
[10:54] <blackflag> why? I thought the software is stable enough
[10:54] <intelikey> blackflag oh you want to break your system.... i'm an expert at this. i'll help.    you do "sudo apt-get update "  to activate the new repo and  then  "sudo apt-get install <name of the app> "   to install it.   and when it breaks we'll have fun fixing it.  :)
[10:54] <blackflag> ?
[10:54] <arunkale> Also, how do I change to 'list view' instead of 'thumbnail view'
[10:54] <zorglu_> q. i have 2 package .deb on my local disk, but they have dependency on the usual ubuntu repository, i tried apt-get install mypackage.deb to install automatically all the dependancies but it does not get them, is there a way to get all the dependancies automatically ?
[10:54] <blackflag> okay
[10:55] <Jucato> blackflag: Dapper's software, but Edgy is still under development
[10:55] <abattoir> arunkale: in konqueror?
[10:55] <blackflag> but I need a bacula 1.38 on my systems so I can backup to dvd
[10:55] <blackflag> and dapper comes with 1.36
[10:55] <blackflag> what is the best way to get bacula 1.38 on dapper?
[10:56] <arunkale> abattoir: yes
[10:56] <intelikey> blackflag but !   if you don't want to break things  stick with one release version.   you can upgrade to edgy if you like   change all 'dapper' to 'edgy' in your sources.list and do  "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade "
[10:56] <abattoir> arunkale: View->View Mode->...
[10:57] <intelikey> that's the better way ^
[10:57] <arunkale> thanks!!
[10:58] <arunkale> i got fonts to render exactly like they do on os x
[10:58] <blackflag> hmmm.. but a totaly upgrade when I only need actually software?
[10:58] <arunkale> everything looks so awesome now
[10:59] <zorglu_> !pcf
[10:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pcf - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:59] <blackflag> Should I compile bacula 1.38 by myself?
[10:59] <intelikey> blackflag if you only install one edgy package you will start a dependancy chain reaction that will confuse the 'fomas' out of your package manager.
[11:00] <intelikey> yes you can compile it.
[11:00] <blackflag> okay, so I better does it not this way
[11:00] <Jucato> blackflag: you could also try if they have a .deb package available? at least one that won't cause problems on Dapper
[11:00] <intelikey> install build-essential    grab the tarball and build.
[11:01] <blackflag> there are some deb`s on edgy homepage
[11:01] <Jucato> blackflag: oh don't use those...
[11:01] <intelikey> Jucato the version on dapper is 1.36   i just checked.
[11:02] <blackflag> okay, I see
[11:03] <TehKewl1> how do I map keyboard shortcuts?
[11:03] <blackflag> but when I compile 1.38 I dont have same problems with dependcies?
[11:03] <Jucato> TehKewl1: System Settings > Regional & Accessibility > Keyboard shortcuts
[11:03] <intelikey> TehKewl1 console ?  loadkeys           gui ?   kde has a key mapper
[11:04] <TehKewl1> thanx, it was easier in ubuntu breezy :D
[11:05] <TehKewl1> woah wait, how do I map volume up and down
[11:05] <intelikey> blackflag no, you avoid the dependancy problems,  as long as you don't remove the compiled software and something else later installed depending on it.
[11:06] <blackflag> ahh, okay
[11:07] <intelikey> but you "may" find compilation problems....   there is no perfect answer.  at least not within the paramaters you have set.
[11:07] <TehKewl1> is there an action for volume up and down?
[11:07] <blackflag> So I go trying my luck with compiling!
[11:07] <intelikey> so good luck with it and if things error out.  come ask.  and bring the error message.
[11:08] <intelikey> !b-e
[11:08] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[11:08] <arunkale> How do I get frostwire for kubuntu
[11:08] <blackflag> thanks , so far!
[11:08] <Jucato> !frostwire
[11:08] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[11:08] <intelikey> dont forget that ^ blackflag
[11:08] <arunkale> okay.. thanks
[11:08] <intelikey> blackflag https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware
[11:08] <Jucato> TehKewl1: it's in one of those tabs... not sure which one...
[11:08] <arunkale> Btw, Konqueror is super fast as far as FTP goes.. I can transfer files like I do on my local hard drive.. it's that fast!
[11:09] <TheFuzzball> who knows how to install XFCE on kubuntu as a secondary enviroment?
[11:09] <intelikey> TheFuzzball sudo apt-get install xfce4
[11:09] <Jucato> TheFuzzball: sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude install xubuntu-desktop
[11:10] <intelikey> does he want all the xubuntu stuff ???
[11:10] <Jucato> oh well :)
[11:10] <intelikey> :)
[11:10] <TheFuzzball> thanks
[11:10] <Jucato> if he doesn't: sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude install xfce
[11:10] <intelikey> 4
[11:11] <Jucato> err right
[11:11] <_thomas_> how do I get tv out in gnome?
[11:11] <blackflag> is there a good place where I can find prebuild packages?
[11:12] <_thomas_> I know it works, I just forgot where the button to enable it is... anyone?
[11:12] <intelikey> blackflag the repos.   but again if you install a .deb that wasnt made for the system you are running  'deps catastrophy'
[11:13] <silensius> how a user can mount a usb disk in kubuntu
[11:13] <blackflag> hmm.. is it easy to create own debs?
[11:13] <intelikey> sudo mount /dev/sda /media/something
[11:14] <intelikey> blackflag there are many howto's on that
[11:14] <blackflag> okay
[11:18] <buz> anyone seeing issues with flashplayer when updating dapper?
[11:19] <blackflag> Okay I ll try compile bacula 1.38-11
[11:19] <arunkale> opera renders pages badly on my pc... especially pages with flash
[11:21] <abattoir> buz: what does it say? any errors?
[11:22] <buz> http://pastebin.ca/177264
[11:25] <intelikey> hehhe i know a fix for that update-rc.d error.  although the *bunbu folks wont like me saying it.    echo /bin/true | sudo tee /usr/sbin/update-rc.d         you might want to backup the existing one first... assuming you will want to undo that.
[11:26] <buz> should i file a bug report?
[11:26] <intelikey> prolly
[11:30] <arunkale> how do i fix flash in opera
[11:32] <arunkale> By the way, where are the 'temporary files' stored?
[11:32] <intelikey> /tmp
[11:33] <intelikey> arunkale which 'temporary files' ?
[11:33] <intelikey> could actually be /var/cache/  you are asking about
[11:33] <arunkale> I mean what is the linux equivalent of the 'temp' folder in windows? where the temp files from applications and browsers saved
[11:34] <arunkale> is there such a thing?
[11:34] <buz>  /tmp
[11:34] <arunkale> okay, cool
[11:34] <arunkale> and it's emptied automatically?
[11:34] <buz> upon reboot, yes
[11:34] <arunkale> brilliant
[11:35] <arunkale> :)
[11:36] <intelikey> arunkale browsers generally use ~/.<browser.specific>/cache
[11:37] <intelikey> and it's not emptied on reboot  :)
[11:37] <blackflag> Can I install bacula 1.38 via backports?
[11:37] <intelikey> should i look and see what you are wanting to hide  >:] 
[11:38] <intelikey> possably ossably ossably...
[11:40] <intelikey> now, whether to build a 2.4 or a 2.6 kernel....   i think i can make the 2.4 smaller.  but i'm not sure about the scsi support; will my burner work........
[11:41] <intelikey> about 800k smaller even.
[11:42] <Zvezdichko> oh
[11:42] <Zvezdichko> ...
[11:42] <intelikey> maybe i could just make the modules for the kernel i'm running.....    i have to use modules tho.  it's a stand alone kernel.
[11:43] <intelikey> have/hate
[11:43] <Jazon> hi guys
[11:43] <Jazon> what is a zombie in top ?
[11:43] <intelikey> Jazon
[11:43] <Jazon> intelikey:
[11:43] <intelikey> means there is no process but a place holder is still there
[11:44] <intelikey> when the parent is killed it will vanish
[11:45] <intelikey> pstree
[11:49] <arunkale> opera is magically working better than firefox :=
[11:49] <arunkale> :\
[11:49] <flaccid_> it usually does
[11:49] <intelikey> so i hear.
[11:50] <flaccid_> tabs in firefox can be slow
[11:50] <flaccid_> in comparison
[11:50] <flaccid_> on linux
[11:50] <flaccid_> if ur on kde
[11:50] <flaccid_> coz opera is qt
[11:50] <Jucato> heh
[11:51] <Jucato> despite it being Qt, I still didn't fall for it..
[11:51] <flaccid_> i can't find anything better anyway...
[11:51] <Zvezdi`go`nqma> re
[11:52] <Jucato> now if only Opera open sourced it's rendering engine...
[11:52] <intelikey> don't forget to ldconfig    <-- note to self.
[11:52] <flaccid_> what would you do with it, Jucato?
[11:52] <Jucato> I'll use Opera :P
[11:52] <Jucato> nah.. still like Konqueror... EXCEPT in some things... :(
[11:53] <flaccid_> i use opera mail
[11:53] <flaccid_> v good
[11:53] <Jucato> I use kmail :)
[11:53] <flaccid_> i like it integrated with browser
[11:53] <flaccid_> more powerful
[11:53] <Zvezdichko> Jucato, what do you think that the best browser is
[11:53] <Jucato> I like my mail and feeds separate from the browser :P
[11:53] <intelikey> make[1] : Entering directory `/usr/local/src/kernel-source-2.4.27/scripts/lxdialog'
[11:53] <intelikey>  /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lncurses
[11:54] <flaccid_> its still abstracted in opera
[11:54] <intelikey> make[1] : *** [ncurses]  Error 1
[11:54] <flaccid_> rss to your inbox
[11:54] <Jucato> honestly, when it comes to rendering, I have to admit it's Firefox... but Konqueror is still the best for me...
[11:54] <intelikey> what am i mising in that error text ?   ncurses-bin and -base are newest
[11:54] <serishema> i'm trying to set up mod_mono with apache and i've followed the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ModMono but i just cannot get it to work. I always get "internal server error 500" from an application that works with IIS on windows
[11:54] <Jucato> flaccid_: web browser, e-mail client, and feed reader: 3 things I don't want to be mixed... (that's why I don't like Thunderbird)
[11:55] <Zvezdichko> Konqueror is good, but I use firefox
[11:55] <Jucato> intelikey: something that installs "ld"?
[11:55] <Zvezdichko> I've red somewhere that there's a browser for Emacs, any idea what was the name?
[11:55] <arunkale> what happens when i cancel the download when updates are in progress?
[11:55] <intelikey> Jucato ?
[11:55] <flaccid_> fair enough
[11:55] <Jucato> intelikey: err.. nvm...
[11:56] <intelikey>  ld --version
[11:56] <intelikey> GNU ld version 2.16.91 20060118 Debian GNU/Linux
[11:58] <Jucato> if only KDE  improved KHTML to match Gecko (or if Apple helped as they should), maybe Konqueror would be one of those up there...
[11:58] <flaccid_> i think khtml is pretty close
[11:58] <flaccid_> just a little behind opera
[11:58] <flaccid_> i find firefox worse in some cases css wise than konqueror
[11:59] <Jucato> flaccid_: in terms of rendering: Firefox > Opera > KHTML...
[11:59] <intelikey> some one know why this might happen ?   http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/d24078
[11:59] <flaccid_> opera, khtml, firefox imho
[11:59] <serishema> intelikey i'm guessing that ncurses is infact installed even though it says it's not?
[11:59] <flaccid_> wikipedia shows similar
[11:59] <Jucato> flaccid_: well, javascript and css
[11:59] <intelikey> ncurses-bin is already the newest version   &&   ncurses-base is already the newest version.
[12:00] <flaccid_> the head dude of opera is the dude who created css
[12:00] <intelikey> serishema is there another ncurses package i might need ?
[12:00] <serishema> ncurses-dev if there is such a thing
[12:00] <flaccid_> well 1 of the founders or whatever, not sure what he is atm
[12:01] <Jucato> flaccid_: well, I've only recently felt the pain of KHTML''s inadequacy when it comes to Rich Text Editors of blogs and most of Google's web services...
[12:01] <intelikey> doesn't seem to be any  ncurses-dev
[12:01] <serishema> no there doesn't.
[12:02] <flaccid_> Jucato: rich text editors? you mean wysiwyg ?
[12:02] <thoreauputic> !libncurses5-dev
[12:02] <ubotu> libncurses5-dev: Developer's libraries and docs for ncurses. In component main, is optional. Version 5.5-1ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 1276 kB, installed size 5904 kB
[12:02] <Jucato> flaccid_: yes
[12:02] <thoreauputic> :)
[12:02] <intelikey> thoreauputic do i need that ?
[12:02] <flaccid_> thats more likely proprietery javascript
[12:02] <intelikey> some one know why this might happen ?   http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/d24078
[12:02] <thoreauputic> intelikey: no idea - what are you doing? Compiling something?
[12:03] <intelikey> thoreauputic ^
[12:03] <flaccid_> google does not use ecmascript 262
[12:03] <Jucato> flaccid_: well, some CSS don't render properly on Konqueror, too
[12:03] <flaccid_> yeah some css is wrong in all browers
[12:03] <Jucato> flaccid_: js or css, the problem is that it's barely usable...
[12:03] <flaccid_> IE just being the icing
[12:03] <thoreauputic> intelikey: yes, you need it :)
[12:03] <intelikey> ok.
[12:04] <silensius> et comment
[12:04] <flaccid_> Jucato: need to check if javascript or jscript prop. methods are being used and if the js is valid according to ecmascript 262
[12:04] <serishema> it's looking like i'm going to have to install windows dual boot just for asp .net development
[12:04] <serishema> i'
[12:04] <flaccid_> using standards khtml comes ahead of firefox slightly
[12:04] <serishema> i suppose i could try compiling apache and mod_mono from source in the hope that will actually work
[12:05] <intelikey> thoreauputic that was indeed it.    why does the error point to ncurses not libncurses5-dev  ???
[12:05] <Jucato> flaccid_: yes... but what good are "standards" if no one uses (or enforces) them...
[12:05] <intelikey> but thanks anyway.
[12:05] <flaccid_> Jucato: besides IE, all three vendors are working on patches the holes of css and standard javascript support
[12:05] <thoreauputic> intelikey: in 99% of cases, in Debian distros these errors refer to lib* - dev
[12:06] <thoreauputic> intelikey: other distros use different naming schems
[12:06] <thoreauputic> *schemes
[12:06] <Jucato> flaccid_: well I hope so... I hate to have to switch back and forth from Konqueror to Firefox just so that I could use blogs etc
[12:06] <flaccid_> remember most sites are still invalid
[12:07] <thoreauputic> intelikey: but looks like you are compiling a kernel - the hard way? have you read the kernel howtos on the wiki ?
[12:07] <Jucato> yes, Google being one of them... yet Google's services are so...
[12:07] <flaccid_> wikipedia does comparison of all those major browsers
[12:07] <Jucato> of course, part of the problem lies with Google...
[12:07] <thoreauputic> intelikey: why do you need 2.4.27 by the way?
[12:07] <flaccid_> google does not code the client side to sites to web standards
[12:09] <Jucato> ...
[12:10] <intelikey> thoreauputic i haven't read on the wiki, no.   i have built this kernel before so it shouldn't be a problem.   i use 2.4 because i'm building a stand alone bootable from a dos disk with loadlin   and size is far more important than suppore for things this particular hardware doesn't have  :)
[12:11] <intelikey> again thanks for the heads up on that one thoreauputic
[12:11] <thoreauputic> intelikey: OK - you're welcome ( and that makes sense )
[12:11] <intelikey> actually the running kernel is the 2.4.27   i just needed to add a sound card
[12:12] <intelikey> seeing there are no modules.  and i changed cards.
[12:13] <intelikey> and 'yes i know i could make the modules.'   :)
[12:14] <cox377> Like the live kubuntu CD that you can download is it possible to create a boot cd of my current installation, so i can boot into another computer with all my current settings etc saved on the CD so it's not a default boot like with the cd thats downloadable off the internet?
[12:15] <ps> has anyone here got ssh-askpass working at login to add your ssh key into the ssh-agent
[12:15] <intelikey> cox377 it is possable. yes.  but your installed kubuntu won't fit on a cd.
[12:16] <hettar> Has anyone managed to get edgy knot 3 to install with an ATI card ? I just get a black screen once X starts
[12:18] <intelikey> hettar drop to a console and  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:18] <cox377> intelikey: Ummmmm... could it be done onto a dvd then? is it possible, when creating this CD/DVD to select the things u want?
[12:18] <hettar> this is before I even get to the stage of installing it though
[12:18] <hettar> this is when the live CD is booting
[12:18] <intelikey> cox377 yes it's possable.  have a look at some knoppix howtos
[12:19] <cox377> intelikey: is that the app that is used to do it?
[12:19] <intelikey> hettar oh yeah....  ah boot with vga=781 maybe ?
[12:19] <hettar> hmm ok I'll give that a try
[12:19] <intelikey> errr 771
[12:19] <hettar> k thanks
[12:19] <intelikey> idk.  hit the f1 key and read
[12:20] <intelikey> cox377 that's the techknowledgy used
[12:20] <hettar> hmm actually I have tried different vga modes. the screen only goes black once X starts.
[12:20] <cox377> intelikey: ok cheers, looking now.. thanks
[12:21] <intelikey> knoppix is not an app but a distro  and the first to build a good working live CD
[12:22] <cox377> intelikey: so do i need that installed to create a live CD?
[12:22] <kyano> hi all
[12:22] <arunkale> if i use opera, i cant use the google talk that comes inbuilt with gmail.. is there any way to fix this?
[12:22] <intelikey> hettar acpi=0   not sure it will work.    i know the issue you are trying to describe.  but if  vga=  and possably  noacpi or acpi=   don't fix it.   i have no help.
[12:23] <intelikey> cox377 no you need to read up on how knoppix works and how the live cd is made.
[12:23] <cox377> Ahh ok.. chees
[12:23] <hettar> Ok I'll give the acpi ones a try. although I haven't had acpi issues before.
[12:23] <intelikey> cheese to you too
[12:23] <Jucato> lol
[12:24] <intelikey> Jucato i'll be away for a bit building a kernel.  if these guys come back see what you can do,  k
[12:25] <Zvezdichko> back
[12:25] <Jucato> intelikey: I'll be going away in a bit, too
[12:25] <intelikey> figures.
[12:25] <cpk2> oh noes!
[12:25] <cpk2> =P
[12:25] <Jucato> I need/want to boot back into Linux :)
[12:25] <intelikey> go
[12:26] <cpk2> intelikey, Jucato: do you guys ever sleep?
[12:26] <Jucato> hold on. I'm enjoying messing with XP
[12:26] <Jucato> :P
[12:26] <cpk2> =)
[12:26] <Jucato> cpk2: of course I do. but it's barely 7pm here :P
[12:26] <intelikey> cpk2 while you are not here
[12:26] <cpk2> i have some awkward sleeping patterns though... hrmm
[12:27] <intelikey> normal is.......  me. it's the rest of the world that's crazy.
[12:28] <cpk2> ah, of course!
[12:28] <intelikey> all of ya.  you hear me ?    you are all insane.  i'm the only one sane in the whole world.....
 normal is.......  me. it's the rest of the world that's crazy <-- that's the best sign of psychosis :P
[12:28] <intelikey> well anyway...
[12:29] <Jucato> ok, signing off now :)
[12:29] <intelikey> signs and wonders is my specality
[12:29] <Jucato> bye!!!
[12:31] <MDCore> How do I modify the styles in kopete ?
[12:31] <intelikey> visiting the local mental institution.   i asked the dirrector, what the criteria was, for judging mentel health?    he replied "we give new guests a spoon and a bucket and ask them to empty a bath tub."
[12:31] <intelikey> i said "ah the sane people use the bucket."
[12:32] <intelikey> to which he replied " no they pull the plug.   please come with me."
[12:37] <SillyZ> mornin
[12:38] <Zvezdichko> o/
[12:43] <intelikey> what's optamum size for ramdisks on older systems ?  4m ?  2m ?   16m ?     anyone know ?
[12:44] <intelikey> optimum maybe
[12:46] <cpk2> hmm, how old intelikey?
[12:46] <intelikey> oh 10 years
[12:47] <cpk2> i would say 4-16?
[12:47] <cpk2> 32 at the biggest possibly
[12:47] <intelikey> no reason not to use 4m then
[12:48] <cpk2> is that for your swap partition?
[12:49] <cox377> intelikey: I've found this site, it's for ubuntu and now kubuntu, would there be a difference with something like this? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization/6%2e06
[12:50] <cox377> not*
[12:50] <intelikey> swap ?   who said anything about swap ?     no it's ramdisk size in the kernel
[12:51] <jackle> Hi everyone
[12:51] <intelikey> cox377 probably not.  the level at which the live CD is built is below the wm or even the xserver
[12:52] <cox377> intelikey: so in theory i could follow those instructions
[12:52] <intelikey> only thing there may be some gnome specific apps that they mention using in editing and copying files... you can inturpret
[12:52] <cox377> intelikey: yeh that's oit, i shall just follow and see what happens
[12:52] <cox377> intelikey: cheers for your help
[12:52] <cpk2> intelikey: why not use ramdisk as a module?
[12:53] <intelikey> i.e. gedit == kwrite    or nautilus == konqueror     synaptic == adept   kind of thing cox377
[12:54] <intelikey> cpk2 :)
[12:54] <cox377> intelikey: cheer
[12:54] <jackle> I've done something terrible wrong with my X renderring. Maybe I installed some weird font package but my renderring is SLOOOOOW. Slow as in: If I hover my mouse over the window titles in the taskbar.. the window titles get highllited long after I've had my mouse over it. If I compile a app, the compile text scroll slowly over the screen (you can see the screen getting refreshed). I've got the nvidia driver installed.
[12:54] <jackle> Anyone any ideas?
[12:54] <cpk2> intelikey: just saying, if you compile into the kernel you are stuck with 4m, with a module you can change it if you want to
[12:55] <intelikey> cpk2 you must not have been here for the discussion,   there wont be any modules.  it's a stand alone kernel.
[12:56] <cpk2> intelikey: sorry i missed the debate =P
[12:56] <intelikey> np
[12:57] <intelikey> jackle i'd say you hosed something.   run top and see if something has cpu at 100%
[12:58] <jackle> intelikey: I run folding . but even if I switch folding completely off, the screens are still slow (which was not the case some time ago)
[12:59] <intelikey> are you saying folding keeps the cpu at 100% ?
[12:59] <jackle> folding keeps it at 100% yes
[12:59] <intelikey> i see
[01:00] <jackle> nog X seems to be topping
[01:00] <jackle> *now
[01:00] <jackle> As soon as I scroll a bit.. X is at the top
[01:01] <intelikey> isn't that a heat risk ?   holding cpu at 100%       my p1 is seldom above 3% for more than a second or two
[01:02] <intelikey> but that's not helping you....    jackle  you need a gui wizard... i'm a cli geek myself.
[01:02] <cpk2> intelikey: if you run a game it takes 100% cpu
[01:03] <jackle> at 100% usage, my cpu avg at 28c
[01:03] <intelikey> that's obviously not a lappy
[01:04] <jackle> it fells like a font rederring package or something to do with mesa
[01:04] <cpk2> my laptop seems to run *a lot* cooler now that it doesnt have a hd in it
[01:04] <intelikey> mesa  yep  prolly
[01:05] <jackle> a friend told me on gentoo he has "eselect nvidia" .. what is the kubuntu equivalent?
[01:05] <cpk2> well on gentoo you can do anything by using flags
[01:07] <jackle> lets say I'm using mesa in stead of nvidia.. how do I switch back to nvidia?
[01:09] <cpk2> tell xorg.conf?
[01:10] <jackle> I have driver=nvidia .. I suppose that is it?
[01:10] <Jucato> jackle: try System Settings > Display > Hardware tab
[01:11] <jackle> It says that the display module could not be loaded.
[01:11] <Jucato> hm...
[01:12] <cox377> !pastebin
[01:12] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[01:12] <cpk2> wouldnt dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg put it to default values?
[01:12] <Jucato> driver "nv" is the free/open source driver for Nvidia. driver "nvidia" is the proprietary binary driver, which would only work if you have "nvidia-glx" installed
[01:13] <jackle> I actually did run -reconfigure which didnt help. nvidia-glx is installed
[01:13] <cox377> I've got a problem when tyring to update flashplugin
[01:13] <cox377> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24086
[01:13] <cox377> thats the error i get, would anyone beable to point out why?
[01:14] <Jucato> jackle: couple of things to check: is linux-restricted-modules installed? and does it match the kernel version you are using (uname -r)?
[01:15] <Jucato> cox377: silly question, why are you logged in as root?
[01:15] <gnomefreak> cox377: try sudo dpkg --configure -a
[01:15] <jackle> Jucato:  linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15-27-amd64-generic, linux-image-2.6.15-27-amd64-generic
[01:15] <cpk2> Jucato: silly questions get silly answers
[01:16] <cox377> jacato: i've tried what was put "sudo dpkg --configure -a" and it still gave the same error, when not logged into route
[01:16] <Jucato> jackle: ok. did you already run nvidia-xconfig (or the equivalent nvidia-glx-config enable)? and did you restart X after that?
[01:16] <cox377> root*
[01:17] <gnomefreak> cox377: is this ubuntu's package?
[01:18] <cox377> name kubuntu?
[01:18] <cox377> nah***
[01:18] <gnomefreak> cox377: did you get it from the flash website or in the repos?
[01:18] <GnarusLeo> Hi! I have just bought the sony ericcsson k610 cellphone. I have heard that it is possible to SYNC the Callendar/appointments with this phone on ubuntu ... does anyone have a good start for me?
[01:18] <cox377> gnomefreak: from repos
[01:19] <cox377> gnomefreak: i ran the apt-get install update and it broiught that up, then it gave an error and told me to run sudo dpkg --configure -a so i did and thats what i got
[01:19] <gnomefreak> cox377: ill be right back have to go outside for a min
[01:20] <emonkey-p> http://blog.outer-court.com/click2/
[01:20] <GnarusLeo> Anyone ever syncronized a cellphone with ubuntu before?
[01:21] <cox377> gnomefreak: kk
[01:22] <cox377> GnarusLeo: as in getting ubuntu to read the phones chip?
[01:22] <abattoir> GnarusLeo: i know the svn version of kmobiletools has a kontact(KDE's pim application) plugin which works well, dont know if the stable versions have it though
[01:22] <abattoir> !info kmobiletools
[01:22] <ubotu> kmobiletools: KDE application for controlling your mobile phone. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4.3.1-3ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 179 kB, installed size 820 kB
[01:22] <GnarusLeo> cox377, i was more thinking of syncronizing the callendar and stuf
[01:22] <cox377> GnarusLeo: ahh ok
[01:22] <GnarusLeo> I actually have kmobiletools, but I dont know which one my phone is /dev/something_wierd ... how would I know?
[01:23] <jackle> Jucato: yes. nvidia-xonfig to set up X and then -enable and I've restarted multiple times
[01:23] <abattoir> GnarusLeo: how are you connecting it? (bluetooth, IR, data cable) ?
[01:23] <GnarusLeo> USB data cable
[01:23] <GnarusLeo> abattoir,
[01:23] <GnarusLeo> or I could use bluetooth, either way is fine
[01:23] <abattoir> GnarusLeo: does your phone offer a syncmode/data mode on connection?
[01:24] <GnarusLeo> abattoir, actually I think it does, give me a sec!
[01:24] <abattoir> GnarusLeo: i mean, does it become a USB mass storage device on connection?
[01:24] <abattoir> GnarusLeo: i'd love to help you, but i have to go now :(
[01:24] <GnarusLeo> abattoir, I can choose something like "file transfeer" or some other otion, Ill check
[01:25] <abattoir> GnarusLeo: if the stable version does not have the plugin... and if you are familiar w/ doing an svn check out, and compiling, then i'd suggest trying the svn version
[01:25] <GnarusLeo> I am, and I will, thanks
[01:26] <abattoir> GnarusLeo: http://www.kmobiletools.org/svn
[01:26] <GnarusLeo> But cox377 and abattoir: how would I know wich tty my phone is?
[01:26] <abattoir> GnarusLeo: you might also want to check the list of supported phones
[01:26] <intelikey> i must have cron or at running....   i thought i fixed all that krap.
[01:26] <GnarusLeo> its connected and ready (not as usb mass storage)
[01:26] <GnarusLeo> abattoir, ok
[01:26] <abattoir> GnarusLeo: i'm sorry, i *really* have to go now
[01:26] <GnarusLeo> its ok :) Thanks dude
[01:27] <abattoir> if someone here cant help, try #kmobiletools
[01:27] <abattoir> bye
[01:27] <intelikey> GnarusLeo wvdialconf  let it find it for you
[01:27] <cox377> GnarusLeo: i was actully interested in your question as i'm looking to get my mobile hooked up
[01:29] <GnarusLeo> ok cox377, maybe Well sort it together
[01:29] <cox377> lol
[01:29] <cox377> I just want to be able to access the images that are sitting on my phone chip without having to take the thing out
[01:35] <gnomefreak> cox377: sudo dpkg -r flashplugin-nonfree
[01:36] <gnomefreak> cox377: once it removed please sudo apt-get install flasshplugin-nonfree
[01:43] <GnarusLeo> how do I configure from svn with kubuntu? I seem to get errors on all ... I download the svn. then I use "make -f admin/Makefile.common" then ./confgure .. then make, but it fails each time
[01:43] <cox377> gnomefreak: cheers mate
[01:43] <GnarusLeo> on all svn I try
[01:43] <gnomefreak> works?
[01:44] <cox377> gnomefreak: just doing it now, P.S is there a way to go from root to normal from command without having to close and reopen terminal
[01:44] <GnarusLeo> and .configure does not fail
[01:44] <gnomefreak> cox377: just type exit
[01:45] <cox377> gnomefreak: i'm still getting an error
[01:45] <cox377> just getting it into pastebin
[01:46] <lish> Huahua: ^.^
[01:46] <cox377> gnomefreak: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24093
[01:46] <cox377> sorry mate, this is irratating for both of us lol
[01:46] <syn__> i cant activate my soundcard...any help?
[01:47] <gnomefreak> cox377: give me a few im working on something atm
[01:47] <cox377> gnomefreak: ok mate, thanks for all your helo
[01:48] <GnarusLeo> 'make -f Makefile.cvs && ./configure && cd XXX && make' <--- isnt that standard procidure for compiling SVN?
[01:54] <syn__> i cant activate my soundcard...any help?
[01:55] <BadWolf> hi is that normal, that i can't run servers on an ubuntu system?
[01:55] <mth`MAW> ermh?
[01:55] <mth`MAW> No?!
[01:56] <mth`MAW> What do you mean?
[01:56] <intelikey> syn__ cat /proc/asound/cards
[01:56] <GnarusLeo> Can anyone please check why this fails? http://pastebin.com/790475
[01:57] <GnarusLeo> its a nightly
[01:57] <GnarusLeo> All compilations Ive tried fails
[01:57] <GnarusLeo> over nightly and svn
[01:58] <MasterEvilAce> 140 updates to kubuntu Edgy? OMG. how often do they update the software? damn
[01:58] <MasterEvilAce> i know it's the dev version right now, but that's a lot :P
[01:59] <intelikey> GnarusLeo i'd say the makefile is bad.
[01:59] <intelikey> MasterEvilAce some of it every day.
[01:59] <GnarusLeo> intelikey, I have tried several svn (different applications even), and it gives the same error
[01:59] <GnarusLeo> is there something Im missing here?
[02:00] <intelikey> GnarusLeo you got build-essential installed ?
[02:00] <GnarusLeo> make -f admin/Makefile.common
[02:00] <thorgal> hi. I am trying to chmod a bash script to run as root. Unfortunately, despite having corrent flags it still runs as my user.  I realize that "ubuntu is not debian", but this particular things has worked on all unix boxes I used to date. what am I doing wrong?
[02:00] <GnarusLeo> intelikey, whats that?
[02:00] <intelikey> !b-e
[02:00] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[02:00] <intelikey> go read ^
[02:00] <MasterEvilAce> oh SNAP.. is the newest usplash actually good now?
[02:01] <intelikey> well i'm went.   gooday  fellas'
[02:01] <BadWolf> GnarusLeo: want to run an ftp server... but i can't connect to it with telnet for example
[02:01] <BadWolf> nmap on localhost doesn't work too
[02:05] <|lostbyte|> !mcopy
[02:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mcopy - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:05] <jackle> Does anyone know how I can reinstall the kde-control-centre Display module?
[02:07] <|lostbyte|> jackle,  sudo apt-get install --reinstall kcontrol
[02:07] <jackle> |lostbyte|: and if the module then still doesnt want to load?
[02:11] <Morbo> ((((((((((((((   Good Morning Friends   ))))))))))))))))))))
[02:14] <kaffeine> ls
[02:17] <kaffeine> why i get "no make utility found on this system" when i try to run ./configure in source
[02:18] <Mortice> kaffeine: apt-get install build-essential
[02:27] <seanOne> parp?
[02:29] <kaffeine> mortice  now it say  kernel source files missing can i get it with apt-get
[02:29] <Mortice> yea
[02:29] <Mortice> sudo apt-get install kernel-headers-`uname -r`
[02:29] <Mortice> make sure to include those back-ticks
[02:34] <kaffeine> ooh thanks is that all i need
[02:34] <Mortice> kaffeine: great. good luck with the build! :)
[02:34] <tobstarr> hi
[02:35] <tobstarr> does anybody know why ubuntu is not updating firefox? are there any problems with the 1.5.0.6 or 1.5.0.7 versions?
[02:35] <tobstarr> !firefox
[02:35] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[02:39] <kaffeine> mortice  is 2.4.27 latest version of kernel headers
[02:39] <wedgeV> i get "mplayer: undefined symbol: a52_resample" when running mplayer
[02:39] <wedgeV> on edgy
[02:41] <CVirus> wedgeV: ask on #Ubuntu
[02:41] <CVirus> wedgeV: and why are you using edgy if you dont want to fix this error yourself !
[02:41] <Mortice> kaffeine: no, it's not. is that what apt-get install kernel-headers-`uname -r` installed?
[02:42] <CVirus> brb .. reboot
[02:42] <kaffeine> no its 2.6.15 but it only give these 2.4.27
[02:43] <Mortice> huh? apt-get tells you it's installing 2.6.25 kernel headers, and installs the headers for 2.4.27?
[02:43] <kaffeine> yea why
[02:44] <Mortice> could you pastebin the output of apt-get install kernel-headers-`uname -r` please?
[02:45] <NeoSaki> w00t
[02:46] <NeoSaki> I got my ATI 9700 pro to run glxgears at ~5000fps
[02:46] <NeoSaki> beastly
[02:46] <MenZa> lol
[02:49] <NeoSaki> Hey anyone know if Flash 8.5 will enable Flash on a 64-bit platform
[02:49] <kaffeine>  mortice   how i can change language in console so uoy understand the word im from finland so i have finish console
[02:49] <NeoSaki> kinda makes me wonder about Macromedia if they are not even up-to-date with what is now a standard
[02:49] <Hawkwind> NeoSaki: We won't see any new flash until flash 9 for Linux after the first of the year and doubtful they'll make a 64Bit version
[02:50] <Mortice> kaffeine: i'm not actually sure, sorry. but I'll be able to decipher it in finnish, i think :)
[02:50] <Hawkwind> 64Bit is far from a 'standard' thankfully.  It won't be for a couple more years atleast
[02:50] <kaffeine> ok :)
[02:50] <MasterEvilAce> having a problem with latest full upgrade in Edgy... two python upgrades are erroring = "AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'old_versions'" ... dist-upgrade -f isn't helping
[02:51] <NeoSaki> Hawkwind: Psh...Its a standard to me
[02:51] <NeoSaki> I haven't had a 32-bit processor since the AMD64 was released
[02:52] <MasterEvilAce> 64bit is what you should aspire to have.. however it's not standard in popularity
[02:52] <NeoSaki> Neither has most of your friends
[02:52] <Umntwana> hello there
[02:52] <NeoSaki> of my friends*
[02:52] <seanOne> Hawkwind, that's like really out of date from the 70s.
[02:53] <Hawkwind> seanOne: Huh ?
[02:55] <GnarusLeo> If I want to have controll over appointments, birthdays and such in kubuntu, and as well sync this to my k610i cellphone ... wich will be the best way?
[02:57] <kaffeine> mortice here is pastebin.com/790508
[02:58] <Umntwana> leave
[03:02] <kaffeine> mortice did u get the link
[03:02] <Mortice> kaffeine: yes, thanks. attempting to load it now. pastebin.com is slow today
[03:03] <Mortice> kaffeine: you didn't type the command i told you to type.
[03:03] <Mortice> kaffeine: but i did tell you to type the wrong command anyway. my bad.
[03:04] <Mortice> kaffeine: type "sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`"
[03:04] <kaffeine> ok
[03:07] <Xanith> hey how do i edit my grub configuration?
[03:07] <Xanith> i have installed windows on a second hard drive
[03:07] <Mortice> edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:07] <Xanith> the only way i can switch between windows and linux is to change the mbr in my bios
[03:07] <Xanith> i should be able to just add the location in grub correct?
[03:08] <Mortice> yea, provided that when your mbr is set to point to linux, grub loads up
[03:08] <Xanith> yea i want to leave the mbr set to linux, because 90% of the time i'll use linux
[03:08] <Xanith> but i want to be able to just choose windows or linux instead of switching it in the bios everytime
[03:08] <Mortice> yea
[03:08] <Mortice> that's what grub is for :)
[03:08] <kaffeine> mortice it cant find any packages i send pastebin soon
[03:09] <Mortice> kaffeine: pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list as well, please.
[03:09] <Xanith> any website that shows the grub configuration for a windows setup?
[03:09] <Mortice> !grub
[03:09] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[03:09] <Xanith> thanks
[03:10] <Isoss> any idea?
[03:10] <Isoss> Hi guys ... I can't get konversation to work and I think that's because I am behind a proxy server. with XChat I can specify the proxy and the port, but can't find that in konversation
[03:10] <Mortice> ;)
[03:10] <jfdbmi> how do I find my root passwd? On install from the live cd i did not type any
[03:11] <NeoSaki> jfdbmi: your root pass = your normal pass
[03:11] <Mortice> !sudo > jfdbmi
[03:11] <Mortice> Isoss: AFAICT, konversation doesn't have working proxy support
[03:12] <Isoss> how can I get it to work then?
[03:12] <flavioribeiro> hi everyone, when i try to install the flashplayer plugin, i receive this message: ERROR: Your architecture, \'x86_64\', is not supportedby the Macromedia Flash Player installer.
[03:12] <flavioribeiro> what can i do to fix it?
[03:12] <Mortice> Isoss: use a different client?
[03:12] <NeoSaki> flavioribeiro: you have to install 32-bit firefox
[03:12] <flavioribeiro> im using konqueror
[03:12] <NeoSaki> flavioribeiro: then install the flash plugin
[03:13] <Zvezdichko> Isoss, or install bnc on the server
[03:13] <Isoss> what server?
[03:13] <flavioribeiro> ok NeoSaki thanks man
[03:13] <NeoSaki> flavioribeiro: konqueror is a bitch to make it use flash
[03:13] <flavioribeiro> hehehehehe
[03:13] <Isoss> what is bnc anyway?
[03:13] <Zvezdichko> the computer where the proxy is installed
[03:13] <Zvezdichko> the proxy server
[03:13] <Isoss> it's my ISP
[03:13] <kaffeine> mortice links are 790522 and 790527
[03:14] <Zvezdichko> then try another client
[03:14] <Mortice> kaffeine: it's much easier for me to open them if you paste the entire URL, but thanks
[03:14] <Isoss> I think that's a weakness in konversation that it can't work behind proxy servers
[03:14] <Zvezdichko> install xchat
[03:14] <Zvezdichko> it has proxy support
[03:14] <Isoss> I have it
[03:15] <tom__> wuld anyone know why when i apt-get linux-headers-686 no new kernel appears in /boot?
[03:15] <Mortice> or irssi, or pretty much any other client but konversation
[03:15] <Isoss> thanks anyway
[03:15] <flavioribeiro> hey NeoSaki u have free time to teach me how to mount win here? if no, no problem
[03:15] <NeoSaki> mount win?
[03:15] <ninniuz> shouldnt u download linux-image?
[03:15] <Ash-Fox> Heh, new kernel update... again
[03:15] <flavioribeiro> i will google
[03:15] <NeoSaki> mount your windows drive?
[03:15] <flavioribeiro> NeoSaki:  yes
[03:15] <Zvezdichko> be blessed, Isoss
[03:16] <flavioribeiro> just to play my mp3s
[03:16] <scream> hola,hay algun espaol??
[03:16] <NeoSaki> flavioribeiro: hrm...odd...kubuntu normally sets it up auto for me
[03:16] <NeoSaki> !es
[03:16] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[03:16] <Mortice> kaffeine: I'm confused as to how you've ended up with 2.6.15-27. Where did you get your kernel from?
[03:16] <tom__> i did apt-get on every linux headers, nothing new in my /boot or grub.conf
[03:16] <arunkale> hello
[03:16] <Ash-Fox> I really miss how package managers under RPM distros would tell you the reason for the update.
[03:16] <flavioribeiro> !br
[03:16] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[03:17] <ninniuz> tom I think you need linux-image packages...dont know if I'm right
[03:17] <Mortice> tom__: the linux-headers packages don't install new kernels. They install files against which you can build modules for the relevant kernels.
[03:17] <Mortice> tom__: to install new kernels, get linux-image packages
[03:17] <tom__> Mortice, i installed linux-headers last time and i got a new kernel
[03:17] <tom__> ooooh riight
[03:17] <tom__> my bad, now i feel like an idiot
[03:17] <jprenaud> hi all
[03:17] <ninniuz> :p
[03:17] <tom__> lol thanks Morticec
[03:17] <tom__> -c
[03:17] <Mortice> heh. don't feel like an idiot, tom__. we all make similar mistakes
[03:17] <mneisen> hi all! I have problems to upgrade amarok from 1.4.1 to 1.4.3. The reason is that libvisual-plugins are only available in version 0.2 while amarok 1.4.3 requires libvisual0.4-plugins.
[03:18] <kaffeine> mortice  sory next time  i wil pastebin right i got it from one friend i need to ask where he did got it but i think from ubuntus home page
[03:18] <Xanith> Hey I followed that howto but it says Unknown Partition Type...
[03:18] <jprenaud> anybody updated flashplugin-nonfree recently? i have a problem.
[03:18] <ninniuz> mneisen: I compiled it myself and it is working
[03:18] <Mortice> kaffeine: well, 2.6.15-27 isn't in any of the repositories, so you'll have difficulties getting headers for it easily. Is there any reason why you can't get 2.6.15-26?
[03:18] <ninniuz> me too jprenaud
[03:18] <Zvezdichko> jprenaud, downloaded it today, it's ok
[03:18] <ninniuz> there must be something wrong in the package
[03:19] <ninniuz> dpkg exists with an error
[03:19] <mneisen> ninniuz: could you give a short howto?
[03:19] <jprenaud> it looks like like rc-update.d is not called properly
[03:19] <Mortice> Xanith: Unknown Partition Type what?
[03:19] <ninniuz> yes jprenaud the same here
[03:20] <ninniuz> mneisen: what kind of distro are u using?
[03:20] <Xanith> i did the chain loading or whatever in grub like the howto told me to
[03:21] <Xanith> i changed it to root (hd 1,0)...
[03:21] <Xanith> and it says Unknown Partition Type
[03:21] <Xanith> which the partition type is NTFS
[03:21] <jprenaud> ninniuz:  any idea how to sort this out?
[03:21] <Mortice> Xanith: probably best to pastebin your /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:21] <mneisen> ninniuz: I use kubuntu 6.06.
[03:22] <Xanith> k just a sec
[03:22] <ninniuz> jprenaud: not yet...we should probably check the package and the install scripts
[03:22] <ninniuz> mneisen: couldnt u just update your sources.list and apt-get amarok?
[03:23] <jprenaud> ninniuz: first time i've had a problem with apt-get, no idea where to start. what is update-rc.d called from?
[03:23] <Satafterh> whats the opengl desktop called? I hope someone knows what i meen
[03:24] <Xanith> http://pastebin.com/790529
[03:24] <ninniuz> jprenaud: it is called from a script in the package...let me try and figure it out
[03:24] <ninniuz> Satafterh: are you talking about the windows manager? compiz? cgwd? the x server xgl?
 yes thank you
[03:25] <Satafterh> xgl
[03:25] <Satafterh> is that or something like it going to be part of the next release?
[03:26] <Mortice> Xanith: that looks right to me. is your windows partition accessed via /dev/hdb1?
[03:26] <tom__> dual core owns :)
[03:26] <Mortice> tom__: got the right kernel going now? :)
[03:26] <Satafterh> i wish i could aford dual core
[03:26] <tom__> yes Mortice thank u
[03:26] <ninniuz> Satafterh: I just switched back from xgl to xorg
[03:26] <Mortice> good stuff :)
[03:27] <ninniuz> and I have core a dual core processor
[03:27] <Xanith> Mortice: no it's /dev/sdb1
[03:27] <ninniuz> it got to slow after a while
[03:27] <ninniuz> too
[03:27] <Xanith> Mortice: it's a SATA hd...
 why you switch
[03:27] <Mortice> Xanith: ah, that should be ok anyway.
[03:27] <ninniuz> cause after a day it was on it was utterly impossible to control my system anymore
[03:27] <Mortice> Xanith: I'm afraid I'm not a grub expert, by any means. You might try asking in #ubuntu...
[03:27] <tom__> lol
[03:28] <Satafterh> i wonder how long it will be befor dual core is a must have
[03:28] <jprenaud> ninniuz: just noticed the package is from dapper backports...
[03:28] <tom__> aaww webmin cant be gotten thru apt-get
[03:29] <ninniuz> jprenaud: isnt it from multiverse?
[03:29] <CroX> I'm having trouble getting my WLAN connection to work
[03:29] <ninniuz> what's the problem CroX?
[03:29] <manu__> alguien sabe algun repositorio para ubuntu de xpde
[03:30] <CroX> ninniuz: It just wont work :P
[03:30] <ninniuz> lol
[03:30] <CroX> ninniuz: I set it up as it should be, methinks, and used ath0 for routing. But alas, nothing
[03:30] <mneisen> ninniuz: I did apt-get update and then apt-get dist-upgrade. 2 packages - amarok and amarok-xine - are hold back due to libvisual-plugins.
[03:30] <GnarusLeo> If I want to have controll over appointments, birthdays and such in kubuntu, and as well sync this to my k610i cellphone ... wich will be the best way?
[03:31] <ninniuz> mneisen: cant you upgrade libvisual as well? I installe 0.40
[03:31] <emonkey-p> !kmobiletools afaik
[03:31] <ubotu> kmobiletools: KDE application for controlling your mobile phone. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4.3.1-3ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 179 kB, installed size 820 kB
[03:31] <CroX> ninniuz: Think you could help me out?
[03:32] <ninniuz> CroX: you have to tell a bit more
[03:32] <CroX> ninniuz: What do you need to know?
[03:32] <jprenaud> ninniuz:  multiverse "component" from the backport "pocket" https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree
[03:32] <dennister> hi all
[03:33] <dennister> anyone awake and present?
[03:33] <ninniuz> mmmmmm
[03:33] <Mortice> plenty of people
[03:33] <kaffeine>  mortice  yes its from ubuntus home page can i use kerne.org sources
[03:33] <dennister> great! was pretty quiet in terms of dialog
[03:33] <ninniuz> CroX: router? access point? static ip or dhcp? what kind of tools are you using?
[03:33] <Mortice> kaffeine: why not just apt-get install kernel-image-386?
[03:34] <_christian_> sb here?
[03:34] <CroX> ninniuz: One moment
[03:34] <dennister> anyone know how to fix a mysql installation? have no mysqld file(s), mysqld_safe doesn't work...think there's a pre-existing socket problem
[03:34] <kaffeine> mortice: yea i try
[03:34] <llxcamxll> can you get dvd's to work in kaffeine?
[03:34] <Mortice> sorry, i mean linux-image-386
[03:35] <Ash-Fox> dennister, install it?
[03:35] <Mortice> !dvd
[03:35] <ubotu> See http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html  Libdvdcss can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[03:35] <llxcamxll> k
[03:35] <dennister> ash-fox: i did install it, but it can't start, error message is about the mysqld.sock, and that's missing from the appropriate directory
[03:36] <dennister> and there was that socket pointing to a tmp directory prior
[03:37] <Ash-Fox> dennister, you installed mysql-server package, correct?
[03:37] <dennister> yes, from synaptic
[03:37] <kaffeine>  mortice yes to my home computer dvd work but  i haven try in my working place
[03:37] <Ash-Fox> dennister, mysql-client and mysql-admin too?
[03:37] <dennister> yes
[03:38] <kaffeine>   sory mortice wrong guy
[03:39] <Ash-Fox> dennister, I'm testing, give me a moment :)
[03:39] <dennister> hold on: no, mysqladmin is not showing...let me fix
[03:40] <Ash-Fox> dennister, do the following after it's installed: cd /usr, sudo ./bin/mysql_install_db --user=mysql,
[03:40] <Ash-Fox> sudo mysql -u root
[03:40] <Ash-Fox> (Last command sets the root password)
[03:41] <Mortice> erm. logging in to mysql as root when there's no password set won't set the root password
[03:41] <Mortice> you need to do that within the mysql console
[03:41] <shegman> erm. i installed kubuntu all on one partition. then i edited /etc/fstab so a partition with /home from an suse installation is mounted into the sytem. now my clock is gone :) how can i get it back?
[03:42] <mneisen> ninniuz: no, there is no libvisual newer than 0.2 in my sources.
[03:42] <Mortice> SET PASSWORD FOR 'root@localhost' = PASSWORD('MyNewPassword');
[03:42] <ninniuz> :O
[03:42] <Ash-Fox> shegman, unlock your panel, then add the clock applet
[03:42] <ninniuz> wait
[03:44] <llxcamxll_> !dvd
[03:44] <ubotu> See http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html  Libdvdcss can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[03:44] <kaffeine>  mortice is this finnish kubuntu a litle deficient it only found 2.4.... images and headers
[03:44] <shegman> Ash-Fox. sure. how stupid. thanks :)
[03:44] <ninniuz> mneisen: I dont remember if I downloaded and installed myself...
[03:44] <Mortice> kaffeine: that's a little odd. I don't know. let me see if there's a finnish channel.
[03:45] <mneisen> ninniuz: where would i do that
[03:45] <mneisen> ?
[03:45] <Mortice> !fi
[03:45] <ubotu> Suomenkielinen keskustelu (K)Ubuntusta kanavilla #ubuntu-fi ja #kubuntu-fi
[03:45] <Mortice> there you go :)
[03:45] <Ptit_Nico> Hello all :)
[03:45] <Ptit_Nico> All apologies for my english, i'm french
[03:46] <Mortice> hi Ptit_Nico :)
[03:46] <Ptit_Nico> i have a tiny question
[03:46] <orizont> gfhhj
[03:46] <Mortice> if we can't help you, try vvv
[03:46] <Mortice> !fr
[03:46] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[03:46] <Ptit_Nico> Hello Mortice
[03:46] <kaffeine> mortice thanks i allready found it
[03:46] <Mortice> but we'll try anyway
[03:46] <ninniuz> mneisen: but I really don't think I did...have u got the universe repos on?
[03:46] <dennister> mortice: can't get to the sql console
[03:46] <Mortice> dennister: "mysql -u root -p" should get you there
[03:46] <Ash-Fox> If anyone is expirencing loss of e-mail from yahoo, it could be that stupid ad they're appending to the end of e-mails: All New Yahoo! Mail  Tired of Vi@gr@! come-ons? Let our SpamGuard protect you.
[03:46] <sudhi> please any body help me to install firefox......... i tried...... but can't
[03:46] <Mortice> if mysql-server is installed and running, that is
[03:47] <Ptit_Nico> well, i come from Kubuntu Fr but nobody can help me
[03:47] <Ptit_Nico> so i try my question here
[03:47] <Mortice> Ptit_Nico: like i say, we'll try in here :)
[03:47] <Ptit_Nico> ...if it s possible
[03:47] <Ptit_Nico> ok great ^^
[03:47] <Ptit_Nico> so
[03:47] <Ptit_Nico> kubuntu 6.06.1 KDE 3.5.4
[03:48] <Ptit_Nico> my trash is the bar near to the clock
[03:48] <Mortice> yes, that's right
[03:48] <Ptit_Nico> i wanted an icon on desktop, so i made a link on my desktop
[03:48] <Ptit_Nico> it work good
[03:48] <Ptit_Nico> but
[03:49] <dennister> mortice: k, ur command resulted in new prompt for a password; when I did this before (different installation) i remember there was supposed to be 2 accounts, one superuser with a name, and then a less-priviledged one
[03:49] <Ptit_Nico> the icon is always the trash empty even tjhe trash is full
[03:49] <CroX_> ninniuz: It's working alright now, thanks anyway
[03:49] <Ptit_Nico> see ?
[03:49] <mneisen> ninniuz: http://pastebin.com/790541
[03:49] <ninniuz> mneisen : try and add this source to your repos - deb http://imbrandon.com/packages dapper amarok
[03:50] <Mortice> Ptit_Nico: ah, ok. let me just see if i can reproduce that on a different kde version.
[03:50] <Ptit_Nico> @ Mortice : ok thxs for helping
[03:50] <TheGateKeeper> sudhi: apt-get install firefox
[03:50] <dennister> which password and account am i setting up now?, since it's asking me for this password?
[03:50] <Mortice> dennister: that'll be the root password
[03:51] <Mortice> Ptit_Nico: yea, it will always do that. there must be a way around it, let me do a web search
[03:51] <dennister> my usual root password?
[03:51] <dennister> can't be, cause i'm already in root
[03:51] <Mortice> dennister: the mysql root user is different from the system root user
[03:51] <Ptit_Nico> @ Mortice : Google didn't help me... :-/
[03:52] <ninniuz> mneisen: nop I didnt get my libvisual from there
[03:52] <Mortice> Ptit_Nico: found it, i'll tell you what to do in PM
[03:52] <dennister> exactly...k, setting up the superuser password
[03:52] <Ptit_Nico> @ Mortice : wow    O_o  THXS
[03:54] <mneisen> ninniuz: hmmm, now what?
[03:55] <ninniuz> just a sec
[03:56] <mneisen> ok ... didnt want to hurry ... :-)
[03:56] <ninniuz> of course you tried something like apt-get install libvisual-0.40-plugins right?
[03:57] <ninniuz> I meant apt-get install libvisual-0.4-plugins
[03:57] <Tenkawa> Anyone running the new edgy knot 3 yet?
[03:57] <Tenkawa> opinions?
[03:58] <Tenkawa> going to test it on x86 and ppc tonight
[03:58] <dennister> mortice: still having trouble setting root password...use the command and substited a new one for MyNewPassword, and error message is a 'syntax error near unexpected token '('
[03:59] <ninniuz> mneisen: I installed libvisual-0.4-plugins from imbrandon repos...but they are not there anymore :(
[03:59] <mneisen> Reading package lists... Done
[03:59] <mneisen> Building dependency tree... Done
[03:59] <mneisen> Package libvisual-0.4-plugins is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[03:59] <mneisen> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[03:59] <mneisen> is only available from another source
[03:59] <mneisen> E: Package libvisual-0.4-plugins has no installation candidate
[03:59] <mneisen> ok, so i am not the only one missing them.
[04:00] <Jucato_> ninniuz, mneisen: try the dapper-backports?
[04:01] <ninniuz> yups you're right
[04:01] <ninniuz> but it seems libvisual-0.4-plugins is not there either
[04:02] <dennister> I also still don't know if mysql is up and running yet
[04:02] <Jucato_> hm... hold on...
[04:03] <seanOne> The libvisual 4 is there but the libvisual-plugins is only version 0.2
[04:03] <ninniuz> yes
[04:04] <ninniuz> I dont know what amarok needs...if it is just the header files or plugins as well (I suppose it does)
[04:04] <Jucato_> ninniuz: how about the kubuntu.org repo
[04:05] <mneisen> Jucato: I have it in my sources.list - nada.
[04:05] <ninniuz> Jucato_: lets check
[04:05] <seanOne> http://www.localhost.nl/~synap/libvisual-wiki/index.php/Libvisual_0.4.0
[04:05] <seanOne> didn't shine much light on the problem
[04:05] <ninniuz> not there either
[04:06] <Jucato_> btw, what version of amarok?
[04:06] <ninniuz> 1.4.3
[04:06] <ninniuz> I could install it cause I got libvisual-0.4 from imbrandon repos some time ago
[04:06] <dennister> mortice?
[04:07] <Jucato_> hm... it seems to be in the amarok 1.4.2 repository
[04:07] <Mortice> dennister: you need to read some howtos, i think
[04:07] <ninniuz> lol you're right
[04:07] <Mortice> dennister: i could help you every step of the way, but reading the documentation would be a lot quicker.
[04:08] <seanOne> What's the 1.4.2 repo addy pls?
[04:08] <dennister> i've been reading and searching for hours
[04:08] <Dannilion> Adept crashed and now I can't use anything apt. Does anyone know the command to unlock it?
[04:08] <ninniuz> mneisen: just add deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-142 dapper main to your repositories
[04:08] <ninniuz> then get libvisual
[04:08] <ninniuz> and change that line to amarok-latest and get Amarok 1.4.3
[04:08] <dennister> they commands don't usually work for me...they're usually for another dist, or version, or some different environment
[04:09] <Mortice> dennister: have you read what's in /usr/share/doc/mysql-server?
[04:09] <dennister> yes, that's familiar to me...looked for that doc specifically
[04:10] <Mortice> i don't understand how you can have read all these documents and not know how to check the status of the mysql service. :/
[04:10] <seanOne> I already had "http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-143 dapper main" to no avail
[04:11] <dennister> I would follow the commands, and get the error, especially about checking the mysqld directory for the mysqld.sock; it's still missing
[04:11] <ninniuz> seanOne: what?
[04:12] <Jucato_> so here's what you could do: add the amarok-142 repos so that you could install libvisual-0.4-plugins
[04:12] <dennister> but i realize this is a pain, holding my hand every step of the way, so let me try once again, now that *something* worked
[04:13] <seanOne> I said I already had the 1.4.3 repos set up, maybe the 1.4.2 ones will do the job although adept just crashed.
[04:14] <Dannilion> adept just crashed for me, too
[04:14] <Jucato> hm...
[04:14] <Jucato> I just noticed there were new updates...
[04:15] <Jucato> hm... the flashplugin update?
[04:15] <seanOne> reboot time, just like windows
[04:15] <Jucato> oh well, here goes everything :P
[04:15] <Jucato> seanOne: why?
[04:15] <mneisen> ninniuz: I found another way: simply fixing one shortcoming of my sources.list! I added dapper-backports, now everything is fine.
[04:16] <mneisen> ninniuz: thank you very much for3 your help.
[04:16] <Dannilion> The flashplugin update hasn't worked for about 24 hours here
[04:16] <Jucato> btw, they're fixing the libvisual-0.4-plugin/dapper-backports plugin as we speak
[04:16] <Dannilion> oh, good :)
[04:17] <Dannilion> What happened to make you go off flash?
[04:17] <ninniuz> good :)
[04:17] <Jucato> I dunno...
[04:17] <ninniuz> Jucato: having problems with flashplugin as well?
[04:17] <Jucato> I just stopped...
[04:18] <Jucato> well, Adept couldn't install it, trying the konsole
[04:18] <Dannilion> ninniuz: I think a few people are having problems with flashplugin
[04:18] <Jucato> ah yes, couldn't install
[04:18] <ninniuz> yes
[04:18] <Dannilion> I couldn't get it to work in adept, synaptic, or the konsole
[04:18] <ninniuz> I have found a patch
[04:18] <ninniuz> trying it
[04:18] <Jucato> heh..
[04:18] <Dannilion> where's the patch (if it works?)
[04:21] <ninniuz> http://librarian.launchpad.net/3434251/update-flashplugin.patch
[04:22] <Jucato> ninniuz: whom did it come from?
[04:24] <ninniuz> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/+bug/52237
[04:25] <Jucato> ok, why in the world did that not come up in my search?
[04:25] <ninniuz> dunno
[04:25] <ninniuz> the problem is I STILL dont know how to make a deb file :)
[04:26] <Jucato> :)
[04:26] <Hawkwind> ninniuz: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=51003
[04:26] <Hawkwind> ninniuz: Takes less than 10 minutes :)
[04:26] <Jucato> ninniuz: it's not the same bug
[04:27] <ninniuz> are you sure? I just checked that file and it still has got negative return values and those symlinks
[04:28] <Jucato> ninniuz: are your error messages similar to those on bug 52237?
[04:29] <ninniuz> err actually they are not :p
[04:30] <Jucato> bug 61404 and 61444 are the correct ones
[04:30] <Jucato> https://launchpad.net/products/dapper-backports/+bug/61404
[04:34] <ninniuz> the fact is I dont know what's calling update-rc
[04:36] <erik_> hi all :
[04:36] <erik_> :)
[04:36] <Mortice> hello :)
[04:37] <erik_> i just downloaded a apple theme for KDE, but now i want to apply it....
[04:37] <erik_> how do i do that/
[04:37] <zorglu_> q. i would like to change the mimetype handling in firefox, any suggestion ? when i download with .m3u, it launch me .vlc, i would like it to run amarok.
[04:38] <Hawkwind> erik_: Look in kcontrol under Look & Feel there should be a place there for themes and other stuff
[04:39] <tom__> can anyone tell me what i need to install to get stdio.h time.h ctype.h sys/types.h and string.h
[04:40] <ninniuz> this is the standard c lib dev files
[04:40] <Mortice> tom__: should be installed with gcc. sudo apt-get install build-essential
[04:40] <seanOne> Amarok 1.4.3 says it needs libvisual 0.4.0 and libvisual plugin 0.4.0 the libvisual 0.4.0 is available from the repos but the plugin is only version 0.2.0 and it don't go. Anyone propose a solution?
[04:40] <tom__> ok lemme trry
[04:41] <ninniuz> seanOne: get them from the amarok 1.4.2 repos
[04:41] <erik_> yeah the look and feel is there, only the apple them isnt there
[04:41] <seanOne> Nope, doesn't work
[04:41] <Hawkwind> seanOne: It's being fixed as we speak
[04:41] <Hawkwind> seanOne: For now, you can add the 1.4.2 repo to get the libvisual stuff until they get put into the 1.4.3 repo
[04:41] <Hawkwind> seanOne: It worked here perfectly without a problem
[04:42] <seanOne> Kewl, always like hawkwind mind you, Michael Moorcock is a personal hero <g>
[04:42] <Jucato> seanOne: their fixing it right now, don't know when it will be uploaded to dapper-backports, though
[04:44] <tom__> woot thanks Mort
[04:44] <tom__> lol
[04:45] <okto> hello all...how do you get rid of google search plugin feature in konq while in the kubuntu file manager profile? i can only get rid of it for konq with kubuntu web profile
[04:47] <seanOne> Well I dunno how you can have the handle Hawkwind and not know who Mr. Moorcock is, Dancers at the end of time etc.
[04:47] <zorglu_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Moorcock <- i didnt knew either :)
[04:47] <seanOne> OKay then the amarok 1.4.2 repo works but the 1.4.3 one doesn't, tcha.
[04:47] <seanOne> Cheers for the assist
[04:47] <Hawkwind> seanOne: The nick Hawkwind doesn't come from a book or the band actually.  It comes from the RPG game series called Ultima that started in 1980 and is still around today
[04:48] <Jucato> okto: it shouldn't be there at all. are you sure that it's the Google search you're seeing and not the filter search?
[04:48] <Hawkwind> One of these days the band will let Hawkwind.com drop and I'll claim it and make myself famous and explain the story :)
[04:50] <okto> Jucato: hmmmm, my mistake... it is indeed the filter search...lol...thank you for point that out
[04:50] <Mortice> Hawkwind: knowing the shenanigans that have gone on over the hawkwind name amongst former band members in the past, I doubt the domain name will ever be available.
[04:51] <Hawkwind> Mortice: True.  I can only hope, pray and wish that one day it'll happen
[04:51] <Mortice> heh
[04:52] <Mortice> i only hope that the rest of the band now playing as space ritual one day see some royalty payments for silver machine.
[04:52] <Hawkwind> Though I've only ever heard one Hawkwind song.  Not my type of music at all so I wish they'd let the domain go even moreso :)
[04:52] <seanOne> What about dniwkwaH.com?
[04:52] <nabil> what do you think of porting kubuntu to playstation 3
[04:52] <seanOne> Worked for me nilbuD.com was a lot easier to get than Dublin.com
[04:53] <Tallen> hiya. Hoping someone has found a fix for the 'apt-get update' Python-apt issue? I am using Edgy, Knot 3.
[04:53] <Mortice> tallen; u
[04:53] <Mortice> Tallen: #ubuntu+1 is the place for you :)
[04:54] <Tallen> ah sorry I shall scuttle on then
[04:54] <Hawkwind> seanOne: I've thought about that, just not the same unfortunately.  I've used this nick since 1984 so I'd really like to have the actual hawkwind.com domain name.  Though I'd be happy with .net or .org a bit as well
[04:54] <Jucato> Tallen: well, there are updates almost everyday. :)
[04:54] <gemidjy> digikam 0.8.2~rc1-0ubuntu3 scans very slowly the collection, and after 10% it crashes
[04:55] <gemidjy> any newer version than this ?
[04:56] <reagleBRKLN> i'm reading email msgs in a mbx file and want to grab the contents and print them as simple ascii, can anyone point me to an example (e.g., "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252")
[04:58] <seanOne> http://h.awkwind.com would be available, damn adept has blown itself to bits
[05:00] <DeadS0ul> kopete isn't connecting to msn again =(
[05:01] <tom__> does anyone know of a good way to set up automatic backups for the users on my linux box
[05:01] <Jucato> DeadS0ul: connected here... probably a problem from the MS side
[05:01] <DeadS0ul> meh
[05:01] <DeadS0ul> it's been doing that a lot lately
[05:02] <Jucato> I've heard that GAIM on Windows has been suffering similarly
[05:02] <tom__> gaim on windows sucks
[05:02] <DeadS0ul> meh it might be my god damn version 5 linksys router that I had to buy
[05:02] <seanOne> Tom_ use keep
[05:02] <Jucato> DeadS0ul: nah, I've also had problems the past days
[05:03] <DeadS0ul> =\
[05:03] <tom__> sean i ment for automatic cron on all my users
[05:03] <tom__> i host muds for people
[05:03] <tom__> keep wont work i just tried it
[05:04] <Skrot> !codecs
[05:04] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:33] <foodcoman> Greetings.
[05:35] <Dr_Willis> Moo!
[05:35] <karim_> hey
[05:35] <Dr_Willis> "I come from the planet Larson, on the Far Side of the Galaxy"
[05:35] <Dr_Willis> :)
[05:35] <karim_> i waNNA play my mp3s
[05:35] <karim_> what player should i use??
[05:35] <banym> i too
[05:35] <Dr_Willis> So play them! :P
[05:35] <jackle> amarok
[05:35] <Dr_Willis> i use xmms mainly
[05:35] <Dr_Willis> !mp3
[05:35] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:36] <karim_> it won't play'em
[05:36] <karim_> it keeps whisteling
[05:36] <jackle> amarok will eaven install mp3 support for u in kubuntu
[05:36] <banym> but amarok dont play mp3 for me anymore
[05:36] <Dr_Willis> install the mp3 thangs. :P
[05:36] <karim_> dr willis r u talkin 4 real or just kiddin??
[05:37] <Dr_Willis> Theres several support packages to get mp3 support in different players
[05:37] <Dr_Willis> blame it on the lawyers I guess.
[05:37] <Dr_Willis> I was thinking xmms had it allready built in.  or perhaps its just one of the first things i normally install.
[05:37] <jackle> The thing I like the most is song previews in konqueror when I hover my mouse over them
[05:38] <jackle> Dr_Willis: its one of those things we all install be default
[05:39] <Dr_Willis> just updated to     edgy... xmms aint even starting now. :P
[05:41] <Dr_Willis> I think his new ALbum is due out like.. in the next day or 2
[05:43] <karim_> isn't there any babes out there in dis chat room or its all linux nerds????
[05:44] <banym> why now amarok says void-engine isnt able to play mp3
[05:44] <Dr_Willis> karim_,  they all hang in #debian
[05:44] <DeadS0ul> yeah debian has the hottest chicks
[05:44] <Jucato> heh
[05:44] <karim_> how can i get there?
[05:44] <DeadS0ul> banym change amarok's backend to xine
[05:45] <karim_> should i switch from kubunto 2 debian????
[05:45] <karim_> lol
[05:45] <Pensacola> kpdf won't print my pdf files :s
[05:46] <banym> DeadS0ul: i did now hes jumping through the playlist but dont play
[05:46] <DeadS0ul> ...try arts?
[05:46] <Mortice> banym: what are you trying to play? amarok does that when it can't read the files properly.
[05:46] <banym> i dont like arts and it did work a few day ago
[05:47] <banym> only thing i did on my notebook was updating an it looks like something goes wrong
[05:47] <jackle>   use gstreamer/xine/real ?
[05:47] <DeadS0ul> yeah =\
[05:48] <Mortice> banym: what did you update, and what are you trying to play?
[05:48] <Jucato> grr.. why doesn't KNotes raise Kontact if Kontact is already running, like what KMail and Akregator and KOrganizer do! bleh
[05:48] <Dr_Willis> !info gdesklets
[05:48] <ubotu> gdesklets: Architecture for desktop applets. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.35.3-1ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 465 kB, installed size 2448 kB
[05:49] <Pensacola> superkaramba is better in my opinion :)
[05:49] <Pensacola> !info superkaramba
[05:49] <ubotu> superkaramba: a program based on karamba improving the eyecandy of KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu8 (dapper), package size 504 kB, installed size 1376 kB
[05:49] <Pensacola> how can I get KPDF to print my files?
[05:50] <Mortice> Pensacola: is printing working using other programs?
[05:50] <Pensacola> it works in office yes
[05:50] <Mortice> Pensacola: openoffice?
[05:50] <Pensacola> jep
[05:51] <Mortice> well, in kpdf's print window, you should be able to change the printer you're printing to
[05:51] <soulrider> hi everyone!
[05:51] <Pensacola> yeah, it's set to the same printer as openoffice
[05:52] <Mortice> and what happens when you try to print?
[05:52] <jackle> what is the defult runlevel for kubuntu?
[05:52] <Pensacola> it sends it to the printer, and than kjobviewer shows an error at the print job
[05:52] <Jucato> runlevel 2 afaik
[05:52] <Dr_Willis> jackle, 2 i think
[05:52] <banym> mhm my xine is no longer able do play mp3 what the hell goes on
[05:52] <jackle> tx
[05:53] <reagleBRKLN> content = part.get_payload().encode(charset) --> UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0x93 in position 346: ordinal not in range(128)
[05:53] <reagleBRKLN> isn't encode supposed to return a "plain" string according to the charset?
[05:53] <Jucato> ooh I guessed correctly
[05:53] <Mortice> Pensacola: what error? does the printer itself have a display for errors?
[05:54] <skreet> Anyone know what the expected release date of KDE 4.0 is?
[05:54] <reagleBRKLN> e.g., windows-1252
[05:54] <Pensacola> nope, it doesn't do anything
[05:54] <reagleBRKLN> crud, wrong window
[05:54] <Mortice> Pensacola: ok, so what does the error say in kjobviewer?
[05:55] <Pensacola> nothing, just error
[05:55] <Mortice> hmm
[05:55] <Mortice> and this is the same for all kde programs?
[05:56] <Pensacola> with kpdf and the other pdf viewer in kde yes
[05:56] <slow-motion> hallo
[05:56] <Pensacola> haven't tried others yet
[05:56] <Mortice> try others, see if it's a kde problem or a problem with kde pdf viewers
[05:56] <Mortice> i need to go, i'm afraid.
[05:56] <psb154> Pensacola, mortice, perhaps its a printer driver v pdf problem.
[05:57] <Pensacola> :s
[05:58] <psb154> Pens, what printer is it and is it networked or directly connected?
[05:58] <psb154> or is it mortice...
[05:58] <Pensacola> hp psc 1417 usb
[05:59] <Pensacola> directjy connected
[06:01] <psb154> Pens, when you open system settings > Printers do you see 1417 listed on the first page
[06:01] <Pensacola> yes
[06:02] <psb154> if you right click it click configure at the top, what does the first item say?
[06:03] <psb154> Pens?
[06:03] <Pensacola> working on it :)
[06:05] <soulrider> hey, does anyone know a CLI web browser?
[06:05] <Dannilion> w3m
[06:05] <|lostbyte|> soulrider, lynx
[06:05] <soulrider> thanks =)
[06:05] <UQlev> soulrider: links also
[06:06] <banym> lol amarok is able to play mpc but not mp3
[06:06] <Pensacola> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v634/Pensacola/printer.jpg
[06:06] <soulrider> banym: you gotta install support for mp3
[06:06] <banym> soulrider: how ?
[06:07] <banym> soulrider: i already heard mp3 but now since today mp3 doesnt work anymore, i think some update did kill me my mp3 support or do you have an other idea
[06:08] <psb154> Pens... take a look at http://linuxprinting.org
[06:08] <psb154> they have a driver for the PP PSC 1400
[06:09] <psb154> pp = hp
[06:09] <psb154> I use there drivers for my old printers and they always work well including printing PDF :-) just a suggestion though.
[06:09] <psb154> there = their
[06:11] <psb154> Pens: http://linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-PSC_1400
[06:12] <psb154> Pens if you were to use this driver you would download the PPD.
[06:12] <simp> hello i have a problem with the mp3 support.. just did all the stuff from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats for kubuntu but nothing worked
[06:12] <simp> amarok still keeps skipping files
[06:13] <psb154> Pens set up another printer as you did before but select the PPD file as the printer driver when prompted.
[06:13] <banym> simp: i have the same problem
[06:13] <abattoir> !repos
[06:13] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[06:13] <banym> simp: mpc files are still able to play but mp3 support doesnt work
[06:14] <warpzone> banym: sorry, I just poked my head in, but did you enable restricted formats?
[06:14] <simp> yes i did
[06:14] <Pensacola> ok working on it
[06:14] <simp> some guy from hungary helped me last time
[06:15] <banym> warpzone: where do i have to enable it ?
[06:15] <simp> he's english was poor but he knew how to get it working
[06:15] <warpzone> banym: here lemme show you the link, very handy, one sec
[06:16] <banym> warpzone: o.k no problem, but it did work a few day ago just one update, i think, killes my mp3 support
[06:16] <warpzone> banym: oh okie, hmmm
[06:16] <tolkan> hey all, looking how to update my python packages in ubuntu.  Trying to add the package python-gtk2, but my application i need to use is not seeing the GTK2 bidnings, any help?
[06:16] <warpzone> banym: may have to reinstall the xine codecs
[06:17] <Jucato> !sound > Jucato
[06:17] <banym> warpzone: i did this just a few minutes ago but the same sh...
[06:18] <abattoir> !autorun
[06:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about autorun - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:18] <warpzone> banym: hmm... have you tried a purge and reinstall of amarok? it might work if nothing else does
[06:18] <tolkan> !python
[06:18] <ubotu> python: An interactive high-level object-oriented language (default version). In component main, is important. Version 2.4.2-0ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 125 kB, installed size 532 kB
[06:18] <Pensacola> I have no idea how to add the printer with the ppd file :s
[06:18] <tolkan> grrr... thats not too helpful :(
[06:18] <banym> warpzone: i reinstalled amarok too no change
[06:19] <psb154> Pens, from system settings add a printer.
[06:19] <Pensacola> brb
[06:19] <Makro___> why amarok..use xmms
[06:19] <warpzone> Makro___: whaaaaaaat?
[06:19] <warpzone> Makro___: have you used amarok before?
[06:19] <Hawkwind> Some people like amarok and enjoy having a choice
[06:20] <banym> was there an update of xinelibs ?
[06:20] <Makro___> warpzone: of course..and i uninstall it, because it didn t work
[06:20] <RogueX> Hello everyone
[06:20] <Dannilion> Makro___: xmms is ugly- even when skinned :P
[06:20] <Admiral_Chicago> Hawkwind, amarok organizes your collection better imo
[06:20] <warpzone> banym: I'm going to poke around the forums for a sec, see if I find anything about an update messing with amarok
[06:20] <Makro___> now i use xmms and everything is fine
[06:20] <RogueX> Can someone help me with an Adept problem?
[06:21] <tolkan> does anyone know what would cause this problem with python-gtk2?? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24109
[06:21] <Hawkwind> Admiral_Chicago: I wasn't downing either.  Makro___ said to use xmms and I was making a point that users like to have a choice of what they want to use
[06:21] <Makro___> dannillon: is not ugly, and, i want something that works,
[06:21] <tolkan> RogueX: whats the problem?
[06:21] <Jucato> RogueX: what is it?
[06:21] <Hawkwind> Admiral_Chicago: I know what amarok does and is capable of :)
[06:22] <RogueX> Adept will only start in read mode.  It says something else is using it.  But I dont have anything else running.
[06:22] <warpzone> If i was going to use xmms I would at least use bmp
[06:22] <Makro___> what is problem with xmms is like winamp, and amarok remember me windows media player
[06:22] <Hawkwind> Why ? bmp isn't maintained anymore
[06:22] <Jucato> RogueX: try entering "sudo dpkg --configure -a" in Konsole
[06:22] <furlongm> hi
[06:23] <tolkan> Jucato: do you know anything about python implementation in ubuntu?
[06:23] <furlongm> anyone know if there is a command line tool for setting up X in kubuntu?
[06:23] <Admiral_Chicago> Makro___, xmms is supposed to be very much like winamp
[06:23] <Jucato> tolkan: no. sorry.
[06:23] <Admiral_Chicago> !info xmms
[06:23] <ubotu> xmms: Versatile X audio player. In component main, is optional. Version 1.2.10+cvs20050809-4ubuntu5 (dapper), package size 1029 kB, installed size 7256 kB
[06:23] <Hawkwind> Makro___: That's what is so good about linux, it's all about the user having many choices
[06:23] <warpzone> Hawkwind: o didn't know that :-P
[06:23] <Admiral_Chicago> oh it doesn't have a descripiten
[06:23] <Jucato> !xmms
[06:23] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[06:23] <Hawkwind> warpzone: Hence audacity now
[06:23] <Makro___> Hawkind: yep
[06:25] <RogueX> Jucato: Got and error "flashplugin-nonfree"
[06:25] <Jucato> RogueX: you recently performed an update?
[06:26] <Hawkwind> RogueX: They are working on the fix.  Should be updated soon
[06:26] <RogueX> Jucato: yes and that was one of them
[06:26] <RogueX> Hawkwind: Thanks...
[06:26] <Jucato> the flashplugin-nonfree update is broken, you can use this command to downgrade to the last working version: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree/dapper
[06:26] <warpzone> banym: good and bad news
[06:27] <warpzone> banym: good news, you aren't the only person with this problem
[06:27] <warpzone> banym: bad news, I can't find a solution yet :-P
[06:27] <RogueX> Jucato: Got the error  "Unable to lock the adiminstration directory"
[06:27] <banym> warpzone: o.k then i think its the problem of the xine engine
[06:28] <RogueX> Jucato: Never mind.. lol for got to go to root
[06:28] <banym> because xine-ui isnt able to play mp3 too
[06:28] <warpzone> banym: yeah it happened with the update to the restricted formats
[06:28] <warpzone> banym: have you tried removing and reinstalling the xine stuff?
[06:28] <banym> yes
[06:29] <RogueX> Jucato: Thanks that got it
[06:29] <Jucato> np
[06:29] <banym> same problem so i think i have to wait an hear slayer - god hates us all
[06:31] <warpzone> banym: okay found something that might help
[06:31] <furlongm> hi again, trying to set up machines for akademy here, setting up kubuntu
[06:31] <furlongm> X isn't working on any machine
[06:31] <warpzone> banym: you've got to downgrade back to the previous version
[06:31] <furlongm> even with vesa driver in xorg.conf
[06:32] <furlongm> not familiar with kubuntu, so would anyone know if there's a command line tool for debian/kubuntu for setting up a working xorg.conf?
[06:32] <warpzone> furlongm: there is, I need to look it up though, one sec
[06:32] <furlongm> like sax in suse
[06:32] <Admiral_Chicago> furlongm, did you try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[06:33] <warpzone> ooo hey thats it :-P
[06:33] <banym> warpzone: and how can i load the old version
[06:33] <furlongm> Admiral_Chicago: thank you! :)
[06:33] <furlongm> will try that
[06:33] <furlongm> back in a bit
[06:33] <warpzone> banym: now -thats- a good question. anybody here more knowledgable know how to install and earlier version of xine?
[06:33] <Admiral_Chicago> furlongm, just follow the regular options, X does a good job of auto recognizing
[06:34] <snpz> hi everybody
[06:34] <gemidjy> I need 0.8.2 or 0.9beta2 Digikam for Kubuntu, package ?
[06:34] <snpz> i have question about Kubuntu on laptops
[06:34] <snpz> i have HP NX6310
[06:35] <snpz> installed everything
[06:35] <snpz> but everything is so HUGE
[06:35] <snpz> resolution is 1024x768
[06:35] <snpz> it's the best this model can manage
[06:36] <snpz> but under xp everything was smaller
[06:36] <warpzone> banym: trying to look it up, one more sec
[06:36] <uwo> hi all - sth is blocking my audio (xine was unable to initialise audio drivers) - how do i find out what and kill it?
[06:36] <snpz> there could be any problems with graphics drivers?
[06:37] <banym> warpzone: o.k thx for help i will search a package now
[06:37] <warpzone> banym: ah! open adept
[06:37] <warpzone> banym: when you install xine, there should be an option to force a particular version
[06:38] <Admiral_Chicago> gemidjy, should be digikam
[06:38] <Admiral_Chicago> snpz, system settings
[06:42] <warpzone> banym: sorry man I can't find anything, I'm going to look at how to force old versions, I think on e of my GTK libs on screwed and its giving me problems
[06:42] <warpzone> banym: I'll let you know if I find anything
[06:42] <furlongm> Admiral_Chicago: tells me xorg-xserver is not installed
[06:43] <furlongm> the auto-detect detects the intel card, and out of 48 machines kdm shows up on about 10
[06:43] <furlongm> on the other ones, kdm and X are running but the screen is blank
[06:44] <warpzone> furlongm: the admiral left. I wish I could help but its out of my league, never worked with that before
[06:47] <banym> warpzone: o.k thx
[06:55] <D4rkly> hi i have a amd x2, which kernel should i be using with kubuntu(i386) 2.6.15-27-386, 686 or k7 ?
[06:59] <D4rkly> should i use the 686 or k7 kernel with my amd dual core ?
[07:01] <drayen__>  hey all, i've got a kubuntu install and im trying to forward connections on 8080 to localport 80 - i've tried "sudo iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -d 192.168.1.101 --dport 8080 -j REDIRECT --to-ports 80" but i the connection still gets rejected.. am i missing anything?
[07:11] <JFreakCapo> hello, how change my default mail program evolution for thunderbird in gnome?
[07:11] <joscha> ask in #ubuntu
[07:12] <JFreakCapo> joscha: thks
[07:12] <LeeJunFan> drayen__: have you also got port 80 traffic allowed?
[07:12] <JGTC> if yo do not have it ,you cannot connect to anywhere!
[07:13] <drayen__> LeeJunFan: yes - the localwebsever works as expected
[07:13] <echo1> Question: Is it possible  (and if so, how difficlut) to have two sets of vid drivers.  I have a laptop so the fglrx drivers break my standby/hibernate.  But at the same time I would like to play games (only when I'm plugged in etc).   Can  I enable/disable the two drivers at my will?
[07:14] <tolkan> is anyone knowledgeble on the topic of python-central package?
[07:14] <tolkan> !info python-central
[07:14] <echo1> and what would be the ebst way to pull this off
[07:14] <ubotu> Package python-central does not exist in any distro I know
[07:14] <LeeJunFan> drayen__: might check for other rules that might be interfering, I've done that kind of thing many times and your rule above looks fine.
[07:15] <TunaTom> echo1: I have two devie-sections in my xorg.conf and whenever an update breaks my binary nvidia, i can simply drop back to nv by changing one line
[07:15] <tolkan> echo1: Yes you can you'll have to configure your xorg.conf file and change around the driver each time
[07:15] <LeeJunFan> echo1: the newest drivers allow suspend to ram, haven't tried hibernate, but I suspect that works too.
[07:15] <tolkan> echo1:  i'm sure you can pull off a script to do it for you.  and attach that to the event that you plug in.  but either way you will have to restart X to change drivers
[07:15] <drayen__> LeeJunFan: yeah i've dont it too on routers... but i dont get why its not working when done locally on kubunbtu
[07:15] <echo1> LeeJunFan: i tried, didn't workout well
[07:16] <echo1> tolkan: ok, so the fglrx driver install does *not* uninstall the open radeon driver.  So just to confirm: I need to setup two drivers in xorg.conf and simply comment one out and comment the other in and ctrl + alt + backspace?
[07:17] <JGTC> People, how do i access to an FTP server in Firefox, if it does not recognize the directories? Example: the dir is JGTC Space and it access like JGTC%20Space, but i can not access it!
[07:17] <Ash-Fox> Does anyone know of any utilities that convert publisher files to some other format like pdf or something (Since I cannot view publisher files)?
[07:18] <tolkan> echo1: to do it manually yes.  There is a way to use a stream editor through a script to switch it out really quickly if you want to automate it
[07:18] <tolkan> echo1: but try it manually and see how it works for now
[07:19] <echo1> ok thanks.  When I get home I'll have to play around and give it a shot
[07:22] <jpiccolo> when installing something though adept, how do i click ok in the details window
[07:22] <LeeJunFan> drayen__: I just tried that rule on my local machine here and connected to it fine on 8080.
[07:24] <drayen__> LeeJunFan: humm strange....
[07:25] <eeos> does anyone know about a paratric 2D CAD under kubunut?
[07:27] <eeos> sorry, does anyone know about a parametric 2D CAD that works under kubuntu?
[07:29] <jpiccolo> when installing something though adept, how do i click ok in the details window
[07:33] <sorush20> can I connect my printer using ethernet connection?
[07:33] <sorush20> printer to computer?
[07:34] <mneisen> only if you have a printer that supports it, f.e. an hp xxxx DTN
[07:34] <D4rkly> i reinstalled wine and it wont work error while loading shared libraries: libntdll.so ?
[07:34] <jpiccolo> when installing something though adept, how do i click ok in the details window?
[07:34] <Homer> Install I think
[07:35] <sorush20> mneisen: I have a hp laserjet 5Si Nx. whta is the f.e. and hp xxxx DTN
[07:35] <sorush20> ?
[07:35] <Homer> Request Install
[07:36] <jpiccolo> Homer, what?
[07:36] <daniele_982> i'm italian but there'isnt a channel ita for kubuntu
[07:36] <[GuS] > mmm there is a problem in Edgy with tha package  /var/cache/apt/archives/python-apt_0.6.19ubuntu5_i386.deb (with today upgrade)
[07:37] <daniele_982> i search to install xgl for my ati X300 SE but i don't know a valid guide
[07:37] <[GuS] > daniele_982, you tried in compiz.net?
[07:37] <daniele_982> [GuS] : no
[07:37] <daniele_982> [GuS] : the link?
[07:37] <[GuS] > compiz.net ...
[07:38] <Skrot> !codecs
[07:38] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:38] <[GuS] > search there,..,,
[07:38] <h3sp4wn> !it
[07:38] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[07:39] <daniele_982> h3sp4wn: kubuntu-it is ubuntu-it
[07:39] <daniele_982> h3sp4wn: is 1 channel
[07:39] <h3sp4wn> And they all use gnome ?
[07:40] <[GuS] > lol
[07:40] <manuel_> sure ...
[07:40] <daniele_982> h3sp4wn: yes in fact i'm here because it don't know
[07:40] <[GuS] > daniele_982, you will not lost nothing if you ask...
[07:41] <Homer> how do I check my IP addy
[07:41] <[GuS] > just try to search in the compiz forum i gave you... there are many HOWTOs
[07:41] <jpiccolo> can anyone help me click ok (pic)-> http://jpiccolo.isa-geek.com:8080/~jpiccolo/snapshot1.png
[07:41] <jpiccolo> homer, ifconfig
[07:41] <Homer> k
[07:42] <[GuS] > jpiccolo, what kind of help do you need there?
[07:42] <D4rkly> how can i use dpkg to reconfigure wine
[07:42] <jpiccolo> gus, i need to beable to "ok" it
[07:42] <[GuS] > to hit the ok?
[07:43] <jpiccolo> dont work
[07:43] <[GuS] > use tab.. or try to install it under console...
[07:44] <jpiccolo> if i quit adept, will it break it
[07:44] <jpiccolo> stuck in the middle of installing java
[07:44] <[GuS] > you will be available to fix it under console
[07:44] <D4rkly> i used dpkg --configure wine but wine is already installed and conf'd how can i force this command ?
[07:45] <h3sp4wn>  -o DPkg::Options::=--force-confmiss -o DPkg::Options::=--force-confnew (those options to apt-get)
[07:46] <GnarusLeo> Anyone who got any ideas on how to syncronize my k610i with kde organizer or schedule or something?
[07:46] <Wargoo> I'm trying to install kbuntu on my laptop.  I had ubuntu on it and installed it fine, but when I try this I wipe it clean and it gets stuck at "Scanning the mirror" 1% and nothing.
[07:46] <jpiccolo> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[07:46] <jpiccolo> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[07:47] <[GuS] > jpiccolo, ?
[07:47] <Tal> !bootdisk
[07:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bootdisk - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:48] <Tal> anyone point me to a Kubuntu bootdisk.
[07:48] <Tal> if an Ubuntu one is the same, thats good to
[07:49] <jpiccolo> gus, thats what i got when i tired to run from terminal
[07:49] <pawel> hello
[07:49] <[GuS] > jpiccolo, did you use sudo? did you kill adept app?
[07:49] <Thorrn4> hello I was trying to install Cedega today and I got an error - http://paste.uni.cc/10242 (I pasted there) it says it needs xlibs but when I try to apt-get that, it didnt find it, stating that xlibs has been changed to "libxft1" and "xkeyboard-config", but when thats installed, Cedega still wont run
[07:50] <pawel> THorn find this .deb
[07:50] <Kiongku> !rm
[07:50] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via applications -> accessories -> terminal (gnome) or kmenu -> system -> konsole (kde). Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[07:50] <Kiongku> !rmvb
[07:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rmvb - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:50] <Kiongku> !media
[07:50] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[07:50] <Kiongku> !codecs
[07:50] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:50] <Tal> anyone know a of a kubuntu boot disk
[07:51] <Thorrn4> pawel, I have the .deb, its from dpkg
[07:51] <pawel> so nu can install xlibs?
[07:52] <michaelvs> Tal, for some reason I thought they were one in the same.  My disk labeled Ubuntu Boot Disk displays Kubuntu during bootup.  I got mine with an issue of LinuxFormat.
[07:53] <beregos> anyone here know hos to use xmodmap?
[07:53] <beregos> how*
[07:53] <heinkel_112> Tal: the kubujntu livecd?
[07:53] <heinkel_112> Tal: the kubuntu livecd?
[07:53] <heinkel_112> (sry for typo)
[07:54] <red_> where do i get ati drivers
[07:54] <heinkel_112> Tal: you can download it from a number of alternative locations --> http://www.kubuntu.org
[07:54] <beregos> !fglrx
[07:54] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:54] <Tal> no
[07:54] <Thorrn4> pawel, I can only download the -dev files but not the main file
[07:54] <beregos> anyone here know how to use xmodmap?
[07:55] <Tal> (fone 1 mo)
[07:55] <heinkel_112> Tal ??? I don't understand your question or you can't download?
[07:55] <pawel> thorn i got this file if u want i mail it to u
[07:56] <Thorrn4> can u please pawel ?
[07:57] <Tal> sorry was on the fone.
[07:57] <Tal> heinkel_11, the problem i have is as follows
[07:57] <Tal> old laptop.
[07:57] <Tal> usb cdrom.
[07:57] <Tal> wont boot from it.
[07:57] <Tal> now its an OLD usb cd rom.
[07:57] <Thorrn4> pawel, I send u a priv. message
[07:57] <Tal> and ive tried putting windows on it, via boot disks etc.
[07:57] <Tal> but it keeps failing.
[07:58] <Tal> i was wondering if there was a floppy boot disk for Kubunutu.
[07:58] <heinkel_112> Tal..ok...I see, but then I think it is quite difficlt for me to help you, no experience with usb disks
[07:58] <heinkel_112> you could try damn small linux
[07:59] <heinkel_112> and then use that to download and install kubuntu in the next step?
[07:59] <heinkel_112> although i can't tell you how...
[07:59] <Tal> damn small linux is still 50mb though
[07:59] <Tal> theres no floppy version.
[07:59] <Tal> unless i missed it.
[08:00] <heinkel_112> hmm..i thought that was the floppy distro...but then it was something else :(
[08:00] <h3sp4wn> Put the drive into another machine with a 3.5 to 2.5 convertor
[08:00] <[GuS] > someones uses Edgy here?
[08:00] <Tal> huh?
[08:00] <heinkel_112> there is something that fits on alfoppy somewhere....
[08:00] <Tal> that would be nice.
[08:00] <heinkel_112> a floppy
[08:01] <Tal> a small gui distro thats on a floppy
[08:01] <Tal> though.
[08:01] <Wargoo> i never used this, but try it maybe http://www.toms.net/rb/
[08:01] <Tal> i had windows on this once (a techy did it)
[08:01] <Tal> on the laptop.
[08:01] <Tal> and i could not boot from it then either
[08:01] <Tal> :(
[08:01] <Tal> so im not sure it will work
[08:01] <Tal> when i say wont boot i mean.
[08:02] <Tal> if i put a small linux distro, it might be impossible to upgrade to kubuntu.
[08:02] <Tal> but its worth a shot
[08:03] <pawel> thorn i sent u this file
[08:03] <pawel> check it out
[08:03] <fuci> Hi, I installed Kubuntu from the base gnome with "sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop". Everything is fine except I can't change my resolution from 1600x1200 to 1152x864, it does show up in the system settings -> monitor. What should I do?
[08:05] <pawel> fuci ___ edit xorg.file
[08:05] <seanOne> Make sure you have the right monitor driver
[08:05] <fuci> I do have the Nvidia driver installed,
[08:06] <fuci> pawel: What should I put there?
[08:06] <Makro___> mmmh
[08:06] <Goliath23> hi
[08:06] <pawel> dont put just edit this file - find section monitor and change resolution
[08:07] <seanOne> Go to system settings and whack the display icon
[08:07] <Makro___> still getting disconnected in some lapsus of time, dunno why, in windows is fine
[08:07] <seanOne> Go to the hardware tab
[08:07] <pawel>  / etc / X11 / xorg . conf
[08:08] <pawel> edit this file with root priviliges by gedit
[08:08] <ge2x> hey can any1 tell me how to burn audio cds from mp3 with k3b
[08:08] <MenZa> /etc/X11/xorg.conf *
[08:08] <Goliath23> I have a serious problem here: I have installed the latest k7 kernel image, using the linux-image-k7 meta package. but there doesn't seem to be a matching resticted-modules package for that kernel and I guess thats the root of real problem (nvidia kernel module isnt loaded) only If I manually specify the path to the .ko file and using insmod
[08:08] <MenZa> :)
[08:08] <Goliath23> any suggestions on that?
[08:08] <fuci> pawel: hmm, there are some 1152x864 configurations there, for 54hz and 75hz. Strange. I can see the 1152x864 85hz in system settings -> display, but it doesn't change to it even if I'm on adminstrative mode.
[08:09] <pawel> ge2 -- find plugin to k3b - it is in synaptic
[08:09] <seanOne> Fuci does it identify your monitor correctly?
[08:09] <ge2x> pawel, hows the plugin called?
[08:09] <fuci> seanOne: In xorg.conf, yes.
[08:10] <pawel> ge2 just type mp3, k3b in synaptic and HERE IS
[08:10] <pawel> fuci in witch section?>
[08:10] <fuci> Section "Monitor"
[08:11] <pawel> wait i check my
[08:11] <XVampireX> Windows is not ready for the desktop!
[08:11] <ge2x> pawelbut when i mark it says it needs to remove a whole lot of other libs
[08:12] <not_benh_> howdy all
[08:12] <ge2x> does it has to do that
[08:12] <pawel> but what libs?
[08:12] <TunaTom> ho not_benh_
[08:13] <TunaTom> s/ho/hi/
[08:13] <not_benh_> how would I track the 'unstable' packages? I am used to debians stable/unstable/testing track but I didnt see any thing on the site about tracking unstable/testing?
[08:13] <ge2x> startind adept, akregator and ending with wlassistant
[08:13] <pawel> fuci --- section "screen" there are some resolutions make sure u got what u want
[08:13] <TunaTom> not_benh: there's no need to do that, actually.
[08:13] <h3sp4wn> not_benh_: You cannot - either use edgy or dapper - you cannot use bits of both
[08:13] <TunaTom> not_benh: most packages are very quickly backported from the development versions.
[08:14] <h3sp4wn> not_benh_: Or use deb-src edgy lines and backport yourself
[08:14] <pawel> ge2 -- what is this plugin name
[08:15] <ge2x> plz w8 a minute
[08:15] <TunaTom> h3sp4wn: how would I go about that? Build/Install the edgy-sources and create debs from that?
[08:16] <TunaTom> While using dapper...
[08:16] <not_benh_> cool thanks guys
[08:16] <TunaTom> not_benh_: cheers
[08:16] <h3sp4wn> TunaTom: apt-get source (from both edgy and dapper) debuild -uc -us
[08:17] <TunaTom> h3sp4wn: It's worth a try.
[08:17] <TunaTom> But more interesting for others, when I go fix bugs and stuff, isn't it?
[08:17] <pawel> ge2+++++    libk3b2-mp3+++++++++
[08:17] <ge2x> yes thats waht its called
[08:18] <fuci> Aahfrhd, crappit. I just use Gnome, it works better for me :(
[08:18] <h3sp4wn> TunaTom: I just take what I want from wherever (sid / edgy)
[08:18] <TunaTom> h3sp4wn: I'm constantly thinking about how to contribute, perhaps that's something.
[08:18] <ge2x> so what should i do should i install it?
[08:18] <TunaTom> Just build stuff and create a backport package..
[08:18] <pawel> gnome or kde?
[08:19] <pawel> ge2 what u got
[08:19] <ge2x> kde
[08:19] <pawel> so use adept to install this
[08:19] <h3sp4wn> TunaTom: Problem with doing that is sometimes versions are specified explicitly in some of the meta packages
[08:19] <ge2x> ohh
[08:20] <pawel> try to upgrade k3b there is newer version
[08:20] <h3sp4wn> TunaTom: So someone may install one of your backports and then {k}ubuntu-desktop may be uninstallable
[08:20] <pawel> dont forget to apt-get update
[08:20] <TunaTom> h3sp4wn: Hmm, so one would have to create something _outside_ the meta or backport the meta-package as well?
[08:20] <MrBallZ> Question: any one has problems updating the flashplugin ... dpgk gives me an error ... but k3b update went by well....
[08:21] <h3sp4wn> TunaTom: You just need to make sure it doesn't break anything
[08:21] <abattoir> MrBallZ: yes, from what i've heard there is an issue, and its being worked upon
[08:21] <MrBallZ> abattoir: thanks ... then I'll just wait ...
[08:21] <abattoir> MrBallZ: you might see a fixed version in backports/updates soon, so just be a bit patient :)
[08:22] <TunaTom> h3sp4wn: pitty, so I'll just keep building for my own needs. Not enough time :(
[08:22] <h3sp4wn> TunaTom: I would rather not do anything unless I can be 100% certain that it will not break other things
[08:23] <TunaTom> h3sp4wn: I'm an experienced Linux user since about 8 years and just think about how I could contribute back a bit.
[08:24] <TunaTom> h3sp4wn: not having much time, though. So I thought I'd just publish the compiles I have anyway.
[08:24] <TunaTom> h3sp4wn: and call that backport :)
[08:25] <TunaTom> Perhaps some newbies to help?
[08:25] <h3sp4wn> TunaTom: What do you know about cross-compiling ?
[08:26] <TunaTom> h3sp4wn: Since I had LFS and Gentoo running: a bit.
[08:27] <h3sp4wn> TunaTom: I need to cross compile perl for mipsel
[08:27] <TunaTom> h3sp4wn: both give quite some information on that topic.
[08:27] <TunaTom> h3sp4wn: well, how can I help?
[08:28] <h3sp4wn> TunaTom: I don't understand the perl build system at all
[08:28] <TunaTom> h3sp4wn: no one understands that!
[08:29] <mula> hi.. .how can i install kubuntu?
[08:29] <mula> i am newbie :(
[08:29] <cpk2> you download the iso and burn it to a cd
[08:29] <TunaTom> mula: I'd like to help you.
[08:29] <mula> can't I use synaptic?
[08:30] <TunaTom> mula: do you have an ubuntu installation?
[08:30] <mula> TunaTom,  thanks :)
[08:30] <mula> yes... I've just installed Ubuntu 5.10
[08:30] <Thorrn4> pawel, ty so much, it installed!
[08:30] <mula> i'm in it right now
[08:31] <TunaTom> mula: Then it's easy. Just select kubuntu-desktop (or so) in synaptic.
[08:31] <cpk2> mula: you can use apt-get
[08:31] <TunaTom> mula: The other packages will be pulled in.
[08:31] <cpk2> mula: then at log in you just select kde instead of gnome
[08:31] <mula> TunaTom,  thanks, I was in doubt if should I select only kubuntu-desktop or other things togheter...
[08:31] <mula> TunaTom,  thanks!! :)
[08:31] <h3sp4wn> mula: 5.10 is an old version 6.06 is the latest
[08:31] <cpk2> well, you might want other kde apps later
[08:31] <MasterEvilAce> how do i check what programs are installed by apt, using konsole?
[08:32] <mula> cpk2,  thank you too! :)
[08:32] <TunaTom> mula: the dependencies will be resol ved automatically
[08:32] <mula> h3sp4wn,  didn't know.. :( does it update automaticly?
[08:32] <mula> TunaTom,  sounds nice, I will try it now! :) thank you! :)
[08:32] <cpk2> mula: no, you would need to change your sources list to update i think
[08:33] <mula> cpk2, that might take some time :( but i'll try it after installing kubuntu! :)
[08:33] <h3sp4wn> mula: sudo perl -pi.bak -e 's/breezy/dapper/i' /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade (presuming you are on broadband)
[08:33] <mula> thanks for the help people! I'lll be back later :)
[08:33] <TunaTom> mula: and you should do the upgrade _before_ you install kubuntu, I think.
[08:34] <mula> so I'll update it right now!
[08:34] <seanOne> apt --help
[08:34] <mula> h3sp4wn,  yes, I'm in broadband... :) small one.. 256kbps :(
[08:34] <TunaTom> mula: I'd think so.
[08:35] <TunaTom> mula: Just replace all the "breezy"-entries in your sources.list with "dapper". (like h3sp4wn said above)
[08:36] <pawel> thorn - u welcome
[08:36] <h3sp4wn> mula: May take a while but it should work fine
[08:36] <mula> TunaTom, dapper? where?
[08:36] <TunaTom> mula: do it like h3sp4wn said above.
[08:37] <mula> okkk :) thanks
[08:37] <TunaTom> mula: I repeat it: sudo perl -pi.bak -e 's/breezy/dapper/i' /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade (presuming you are on broadband)
[08:37] <darius> sveiki gyvi gal kas pagelbeti galetu?
[08:37] <TunaTom> h3sp4wn: That's a nifty way to adjust the sources and have a backup!
[08:37] <mula> TunaTom,  yep... i'm in the 2nd step (sudo aptitude update) now :) thanks :D
[08:38] <TunaTom> h3sp4wn: is -pi.bak a normal perl command-line switch?
[08:38] <lars__> cant get audio, find the sound card but cant get it to work, kmix says : mixer not found
[08:39] <darius> hy
[08:39] <mula> 562mb of download :S ouch
[08:39] <TunaTom> mula: the price for being up to date ;)
[08:39] <DethKlok> How are the man pages stored?
[08:40] <mula> i'll do it tonight... it's better, because I'll have to use windows in some few hours
[08:40] <TunaTom> DethKlok: groff?
[08:40] <TunaTom> mula: okay, good luck for that.
[08:40] <darius> hy
[08:40] <mula> TunaTom,  lol! but the price for a high speed connection here in Brazil is too high :(
[08:40] <TunaTom> mula: and perhaps check if you'd better first upgrade before you dist-upgrade. I'm not sure about that one.
[08:41] <XVampireX> Anyone wanna go to ##windows and yell "WINDOWS IS NOT READY FOR THE DESKTOP!"
[08:41] <mula> TunaTom,  hmm
[08:41] <TunaTom> mula: Well, then It would perhaps be easier to have a shipit CD?
[08:41] <mula> TunaTom,  I made just h3sp4wn  and it's working, already downloading
[08:41] <fdoving> XVampireX: no, that's childish. we don't do that, not here, not in ##windows.
[08:41] <mula> TunaTom,  no no... it would take too long :(
[08:42] <cpk2> mula: you can get a free kubuntu cd, although you might want to wait for edgy to come out for your free cd
[08:42] <TunaTom> mula: If it's too expensive, you can abort it at any time.
[08:42] <lars__> sound problem... finds the sound card but kmix complains about not finding any mixer
[08:42] <mula> TunaTom,  can I just stop the downloading in terminal?
[08:42] <cpk2> mula: ctrl c
[08:42] <TunaTom> mula: Yes: <Crtl>-C
[08:42] <mula> TunaTom,  it expensive to have a fast connection here, that's why i pay for only 256kbps :P
[08:43] <mula> cpk2,  what is edgy? :(
[08:43] <TunaTom> mula: Means: Keep the control key pressed and press the c.
[08:43] <mula> TunaTom, cpk2 oook thanks! :) stopped
[08:43] <TunaTom> mula: the next version of ubuntu. Due on 19.10.
[08:43] <cpk2> mula: edgy is the newest version that should be released in october
[08:43] <mula> hmm... nice :)
[08:43] <edu> Hi
[08:43] <TunaTom> cpk2: hey, that
[08:44] <TunaTom> is my newby.
[08:44] <TunaTom> back
[08:44] <TunaTom> off
[08:44] <mula> but until there i'll be, at least, trying to use this one (not 5.10, but 6.09, right?)
[08:44] <TunaTom> mula: depends.
[08:44] <edu> Will  the next kubuntu release have an xgl helper, like mandriva 2007?
[08:44] <lars__> think this one got it
[08:45] <lars__> xubutu
[08:45] <cpk2> breezy = 5.10 ;dapper = 6.06; edgy = i forget the number
[08:45] <TunaTom> mula: unless you keep the upgrade running, you're technically still using 5.10.
[08:45] <lars__> and packages and guides
[08:45] <fdoving> cpk2: 6.10
[08:45] <mula> TunaTom,  yep.. i'll upgrade it tonight.... it's 15:48 here... :)
[08:46] <fdoving> cpk2: it's year.month
[08:46] <lars__> edu xubuntu is a fork with xgl if i am not wrong ( newbie / interm. )
[08:46] <TunaTom> mula: Afterwards you'll be using 6.04. It's 20:42 here.
[08:46] <lars__> me that is
[08:46] <TunaTom> lars__: xubuntu is using the xfce desktop.
[08:47] <mula> TunaTom,  lol.. anyway.. no problem! :) I'll try to upgrade it this night! :D
[08:47] <mula> *tonight
[08:47] <lars__> ok sry
[08:47] <fdoving> lars__: xubuntu has nothing to do with xgl.. it's just using the xfce desktop. xubuntu.org
[08:47] <fdoving> .. as tunatom said. (i'm to slow).
[08:47] <TunaTom> lars__: edubuntu is for educational purposes, esp. school (desktop and server)
[08:47] <lars__> one of all those funny lib.
[08:47] <mula> cpk2,  h3sp4wn , TunaTom, thanks for the help! gtg now!! :)
[08:48] <TunaTom> mula: cu.
[08:48] <mula> later :)
[08:48] <lars__> why did you mention edubuntu?
[08:48] <lars__> got sound problem...
[08:48] <TunaTom> lars_: you said: "edu xubuntu is a fork with xgl if i am not wrong ( newbie / interm. )"
[08:49] <TunaTom> lars__: I'm not good with sound. Works here, but that's about it :)
[08:49] <lars__> hit name was edu
[08:50] <TunaTom> lars__: oops, sorry.
[08:51] <TunaTom> Be it as it might. At least I helped one newbie. gtg now.
[08:51] <TunaTom> cu
[08:51] <lars__> had it working on this comp. a year back now it is gone and crazy
[08:55] <omar> hello I would like to configure my evolution, I got gmail, and i follow the steps in the guide, what can I do
[08:56] <edu> yup, xubuntu uses xfce...
[08:56] <dcordero> hi
[08:56] <dcordero> i have a problem un kubuntu
[08:56] <edu> I meant an app that would help to set up the 3d card drivers and the xgl system... that would be very useful!
[08:57] <root_____> i need ati drivers
[08:57] <unksi> !ati
[08:57] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:58] <dcordero> i have 2 partitions on my hd... One primary partition mounted as / where ubuntu are installed, and another partition for save personal data that i want to mount on /media/baulext3... The filesystem of both partition are ext3... The problem is that i can't to write into de data partition from a normal user account
[09:04] <red_> i need ati drivers
[09:06] <red_> where do i get ati drivers
[09:06] <edu> www.ati.com
[09:06] <edu> go to downloads, drivers, and then go to linux...
[09:06] <mattindia> Hey dudes, just wanted to say that i'm happy because i installed all the softwares i used on windows on my kubuntu and it works!
[09:06] <edu> but you'd better do to open adept and search for "fglrx"
[09:06] <red_> ubotu: ati drivers
[09:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ati drivers - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:06] <Tm_T> !ati
[09:06] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:07] <MasterEvilAce> you're so silly ubotu
[09:12] <travis> just a quick question, everytime i try to open deb packages, this comes up "the utility is not in your path please install it or contact system admin"
[09:12] <travis> what do i do?
[09:13] <ScottK> travis:Don't open the packages directly, use Adept or your favorite package manager.
[09:14] <travis> oooh ok
[09:17] <socres> hey hello
[09:17] <socres> has anyone ever tried to get working xgl with kubuntu?
[09:19] <omar> Good quest, I wanted some time ago, but it looks so complicated
[09:21] <mattindia> i have a little problem through: my widescreen works fine with the ATI drivers
[09:21] <mattindia> but when i watch a video full screen it lags a lot; do you have ideas why the ATI driver is not ok?
[09:22] <omar> Do you know a good guide to configure evolution????
[09:22] <omar> one that works at least
[09:23] <fdoving> omar: might get more help in #ubuntu as evolution is the default PIM/mail client in ubuntu.
[09:23] <omar> thanx
[09:26] <Goliath23> hi
[09:27] <Goliath23> since a couple of updates my video-icon-preview doesnt work. neither on desktop nor in konqueror, any idea what that could be or how to enable them?
[09:28] <Goliath23> (the strange thing is, that the tooltip that comes up if I rest the mouse on a video file shows the preview!
[09:28] <Sanne> hi
[09:29] <cpk2> hi
[09:30] <red_> ubotu: ati drivers
[09:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ati drivers - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:30] <vvatsa> red_: what would you like too know.
[09:30] <red_> ubotu: ati/nvidia drivers
[09:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ati/nvidia drivers - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:30] <cpk2> red_: its !ati
[09:30] <red_> i need to know how to redo my xorg
[09:31] <red_> ubotu: !ati/nvidia drivers
[09:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ati/nvidia drivers - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:31] <cpk2> red_: the xorg.conf tells you at the top how to regenerate it if thats what you need
[09:31] <red_> i know there is a link on wiki, but i cant remember it
[09:31] <cpk2> !ati
[09:31] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:31] <vvatsa> http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Dapper_Installation_Guide#Method_2:_Generating.2FInstalling_Ubuntu_packages_for_the_8.28.8_drivers_in_Ubuntu_Dapper_Manually
[09:31] <red_> there it is
[09:31] <edu> bye
[09:34] <zorglu_> to all regular helpers, do you know if there is a stat on the ubotu commands, the most frequently used one etc... would be good to know what are the most common problems seens on irc
[09:36] <cpk2> i bet it has to do with sources
[09:37] <cpk2> people not knowing about the extra repos
[09:37] <MasterEvilAce> yeah
[09:37] <MasterEvilAce> repos is probably it
[09:37] <zorglu_> me too :) but such tools would be good
[09:37] <MasterEvilAce> ubotu isn't very intelligent
[09:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about isn't very intelligent - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:38] <MasterEvilAce> i did a search and it said you were not intelligent ubotu :P
[09:38] <zorglu_> i tried recently to motivate #kubuntu-devel to produce some solutions, i even suggested possible solutions, but did get much echo
[09:38] <NthDegree> @lart MasterEvilAce
[09:38] <zorglu_> maybe it would be more convincing with hard number
[09:38] <NthDegree> @pity MasterEvilAce
[09:38] <MasterEvilAce> lol
[09:39] <NthDegree> Ubugtu you fool
[09:39] <MasterEvilAce> ubuntu is a friggin' idiot, gosh!
[09:39] <cpk2> zorglu_: solutions for what?
[09:39] <zorglu_> cpk2: make it easier to install the usual extra repositories
[09:40] <zorglu_> cpk2: a simple .deb would do it, making adding universe something like 'sudo apt-get install config-rep-unniverse'
[09:40] <cpk2> hmm like a script to uncomment the common extra repos?
[09:40] <cpk2> that too
[09:40] <zorglu_> cpk2: yes but wrapped in a .deb to make it easier for users
[09:41] <cpk2> although i bet the help page that pops up when you open konq tells you how to add repos
[09:41] <zorglu_> cpk2: well i am trying to reduce the amount of question we got about repository by making it easier to fix it :)
[09:42] <MasterEvilAce> is there no grub splash in Edgy?
[09:42] <i_luv_beer> anyone know why you need to reload KDE for menu options to pop up?
[09:42] <cpk2> zorglu_: self help does go a long way though =); and there is a managing repos link in the supported html help doc with helpful links
[09:42] <travis> hmm, i still can't open deb files when trying to open with adept, i downloaded one called ksmoothdock.deb and tried ark but it woudln't let me
[09:43] <travis> any ideas?
[09:43] <zorglu_> cpk2: yep but link to link to link and then user doesnt read it and come here to ask :)
[09:43] <OOD> travis: you want to install the deb?
[09:43] <travis> yeah
[09:43] <zorglu_> travis: try "sudo dpkg -i yourpackanamegoeshere.deb"
[09:43] <travis> but it won't let me
[09:44] <travis> ok
[09:44] <Zvezdichko> is there an error
[09:44] <OOD> or right click on it and select the install menu
[09:44] <cpk2> zorglu_: I guess I am more of the linux mindset that you should try to do some reading before anything else
[09:45] <zorglu_> cpk2: i understand what you mean but i purposly spend time with beginer to see how they use their computer. and believe me, reading doc is not part of it :)
[09:46] <cpk2> zorglu_: hehe =D
[09:46] <travis> hey thanks for the tips, i'm a newb
[09:46] <zorglu_> cpk2: in my experience, they do "wow it is too complex, i have no time for this"
[09:46] <zorglu_> travis: it worked ?
[09:47] <cpk2> zorglu_: I suppose though since irc is so easy to use why not take advantage of the easy help?
[09:48] <zorglu_> cpk2: indeed, especially at the very begining when they switch from window to linux
[09:48] <travis> sort of
[09:48] <travis> now its saying dependcy problems
[09:48] <travis> lol
[09:49] <cpk2> zorglu_: i would imagine we might go from telling people to edit source.list to spamming the apt-get command though =P
[09:49] <travis> theres two packages it says i don't have
[09:49] <cpk2> sources*
[09:49] <travis> libqt3c102 and kdelibs4
[09:49] <morphius> ok, so when i try to login using kdm, I'm in a loop. If I put in my password, it takes me back to the login again (after trying to start kde). Upon further research, /dev/null has permission promlems. I have crw-------. So I "chmod a+rw" and now get crw-rw-rw-. Great. restart kdm and can login in fine. Reboot. /dev/null: now at crw------- again. I tried having my very last init script in rcS.d chmod the /dev/null automagically but still no go. Any ide
[09:49] <zorglu_> cpk2: at some point i even proposed to get a url to a irc channel directly on the screen after install :)
[09:49] <cpk2> travis: apt-get them
[09:49] <cpk2> zorglu_: would certainly help alot of people
[09:49] <travis> ok
[09:50] <zorglu_> cpk2: yep, user could cut/past the command and it is less error prone
[09:50] <cpk2> and help those people who dont do *any* research and would never know about irc
[09:51] <kyaneos> hi
[09:51] <zorglu_> cpk2: yep and imagine the thing, "i just installed the cd and ... wow if i click here i can talk to a lot of people having the same problem as me and we can exchange solution" :)
[09:52] <kyaneos> why kubuntu developers are using scriptings languages like Python-PyKDE to develop apps??
[09:52] <cpk2> because they like using python?
[09:52] <zorglu_> kyaneos: you already asked yesterday :) i guess they like this language. why are you looking for another reason ?
[09:53] <kyaneos> mm ok
[09:53] <kyaneos> sorry
[09:53] <kyaneos> thank you
[09:53] <otaku-san> haven't ben on here in a while...ok how would I execute a .bin file?  I'm trying to get a GUI installer to execute
[09:53] <i_luv_beer> what is written in python?
[09:54] <fdoving> morphius: check /etc/udev/rules.d/40-permissions.rules somewhere at the bottom you'll find "null"
[09:54] <cpk2> otaku-san: ./ maybe?
[09:54] <morphius> thanks fdoving. I'll give it a go.
[09:55] <fdoving> morphius: the line should say 'KERNEL=="null",                         MODE="0666"
[09:55] <travis> ugh, ok, i am stupid, what is the command for apt-get?  like the package is libqt3c102, what would the exact command be for it?
[09:55] <otaku-san> cpk2: like in the konsole do ./ then the file....I might just go with the source...I can compile...just wanted to try the GUI
[09:56] <otaku-san> travis: like sudo apt-get install (app) ?
[09:56] <fdoving> travis: sudo apt-get install libqt3c102
[09:56] <travis> ok, i will try it, but i doubt it will work
[09:56] <morphius> fdoving: It does. Does not appear to be the problem.
[09:56] <cpk2> otaku-san: yes ./ filehere
[09:57] <otaku-san> ok I'll try that....if it doesn't work I'll fall back on good ol' trusty compilin'
[09:57] <i_luv_beer> travis: if it doesn't work try apt-get update
[09:57] <fdoving> morphius: then either,  something is changing /dev/nulls permissions after udev has created it. or udev isn't run as it should.
[09:57] <otaku-san> hehe thanks cpk2
[09:57] <cpk2> otaku-san: it work?
[09:57] <morphius> I'm thinking somthing with the xserver or kdm.
[09:58] <i_luv_beer> there is also adept which makes installing packages even more brainless
[09:58] <Sanne> morphius: I once had to disable usplash to get past weird boot problems, you might give it a try.
[09:58] <otaku-san> cpk2: I'm about to try it
[09:58] <otaku-san> just was thanking you for your time
[09:58] <travis> this is what comes up "
[09:58] <travis> Package libqt3c102 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[09:58] <travis> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[09:58] <travis> is only available from another source
[09:58] <fdoving> morphius: xserver or kdm doesn't change device permissions.
[09:58] <JFreakCapo> hi, exist some msn client with voice support
[09:58] <fdoving> !info libqt3c102
[09:58] <ubotu> Package libqt3c102 does not exist in any distro I know
[09:58] <fdoving> travis: the package doesn't exist.
[09:58] <morphius> sanne: I once had to hold down the shift key on a computer to get it to become usable. Maybe I'll give that a try too huh? ;)
[09:58] <cpk2> i_luv_beer: i think the cli apt-get is alot more clear
[09:59] <travis> ugh, then why are they saying its dependent on it
[09:59] <fdoving> who says?
[09:59] <Sanne> morphius: I was not joking...
[09:59] <morphius> sanne: I know.
[09:59] <travis> ksmoothdock is saying it
[09:59] <travis> whenever i try to install the deb
[09:59] <fdoving> !ksmoothdock
[09:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ksmoothdock - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:59] <fdoving> !info ksmoothdock
[09:59] <ubotu> Package ksmoothdock does not exist in any distro I know
[09:59] <travis> its from kde-look.org
[09:59] <Thorrn4> hello, I accidently deleted my "/usr/java" directory while trying to move a file, is there a way to get it back?
[10:00] <Sanne> morphius: well, after disabling usplash I could log in, so... but do as you like :)
[10:00] <travis> i like the dock from mac osx
[10:00] <fdoving> travis: that explains it. it's unofficial.
[10:00] <morphius> Sanne: It's just a wild shot in the dark. But I'm willing to try it anyway. I also wasn't joking. I seriously did get a computer that did that.
[10:00] <Dendron> --------How do i install XUBUNTU without a LIVE CD? IS that what the alternate CD is for?
[10:00] <travis> heh
[10:00] <fdoving> Thorrn4: basically, no.
[10:00] <i_luv_beer> !info kvdocker
[10:00] <ubotu> Package kvdocker does not exist in any distro I know
[10:00] <i_luv_beer> !info kvdock
[10:00] <Thorrn4> fdoving, wat is inside it, anything important?
[10:00] <ubotu> Package kvdock does not exist in any distro I know
[10:00] <cpk2> Dendron: use apt-get
[10:00] <i_luv_beer> ...
[10:00] <Sanne> morphius: ah, haha! Well, I disabled it in /boot/grub/menu.list. If you need assistance, just shout :)
[10:00] <i_luv_beer> one sec
[10:01] <Thorrn4> fdoving, I was trying to install java, but its not working still
[10:01] <Dendron> ----cpk2i have a fresh HDD with nothing on it
[10:01] <Thorrn4> !java
[10:01] <ubotu> To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[10:01] <cpk2> Dendron: i believer you can get any of the *ubuntu from any *ubuntu install
[10:01] <fdoving> Thorrn4: probably nothing that can't be re-installed easily.
[10:01] <JFreakCapo> exist some msn client with voice support
[10:01] <JFreakCapo> ??
[10:01] <morphius> Sanne: I got it. I'll give it a try as soon as I'm finished with some other stuff. Thanks!
[10:01] <otaku-san> cpk2: hehehe it keeps on complaining that ./ is a directory....hmmmm I know there is a command to execute bins....
[10:01] <Sanne> morphius: ak, good luck
[10:01] <i_luv_beer> travis
[10:01] <otaku-san> dang this channel is hoppin
[10:01] <i_luv_beer> try apt-get install kxdocker
[10:01] <cpk2> Dendron: or you could just go to xubuntu.org
[10:01] <i_luv_beer> !kxdocker
[10:01] <ubotu> kxdocker: innovative docker for KDE that is like Mac OSX Docker. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.39-0ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 253 kB, installed size 832 kB
[10:01] <cpk2> otaku-san: try sh
[10:02] <otaku-san> yeah
[10:02] <Dendron> ------The LIVE CD hangs. Will the Alternate CD work better then a live CD?
[10:02] <fdoving> Thorrn4: you can use 'dpkg -S /usr/java' to see what packages had files there.
[10:02] <cpk2> Dendron: its possible, did you check the live cd for errors?
[10:02] <Dendron> yeah
[10:02] <fdoving> Thorrn4: then you can use 'sudo apt-get install --reinstall list of packages separated by spaces'
[10:02] <zorglu_> all the boot option to make it eaise r? :)
[10:02] <Sanne> Dendron: some people have more luck with the alternate, worth a try
[10:02] <travis> i_luv_beer i do have kxdocker, but everytime it starts up, tons of things go wrong, like they have all these files pop up and i would rather have something more stable
[10:02] <otaku-san> i_luv_beer: Oh man...kxdocker was a pain for me to install...forgot how!  I know it was a pain...doesn't work either
[10:02] <Dendron> ---thanks!
[10:02] <zorglu_> apci=off and stuff
[10:03] <Dendron> ---i will give it a try.
[10:03] <Thorrn4> fdoving, the whole folder is gone: "dpkg: /usr/java not found"
[10:03] <i_luv_beer> otaku-san: uh "apt-get install kxdocker"? :P
[10:03] <i_luv_beer> but yeah I never used it
[10:03] <i_luv_beer> I did install it but I perfer kicker
[10:03] <travis> heh, i don't like kxdocker
[10:03] <travis> whats kicker?
[10:04] <cpk2> i could have sworn ./ executed bins?
[10:04] <otaku-san> no I had to do it another way...I think I compiled it...it was my first compiling and everything went wrong
[10:04] <otaku-san> that to i_luv_beer
[10:04] <i_luv_beer> travis: the default panel of KDE
[10:04] <otaku-san> cpk2: um....it's saying it cannot execute the bin
[10:04] <travis> heh ok
[10:04] <Thorrn4> fdoving, I found the help site, ty for the help
[10:04] <otaku-san> shite...I'll just compile it...
[10:05] <i_luv_beer> !superkambaramba
[10:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about superkambaramba - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:05] <i_luv_beer> hmm
[10:05] <tsdgeos> !superkaramba
[10:05] <ubotu> superkaramba is an application that gives you interactive eye-candy on your desktop. To get themes for it, head over to http://kde-look.org
[10:05] <travis> yeah, but those are widgets
[10:05] <travis> not a dock
[10:05] <travis> i favor docks
[10:06] <travis> unfortunatly
[10:06] <travis> oh well, i guess i can wait until a stable version comes out or something
[10:06] <i_luv_beer> it sorta worked for me
[10:06] <i_luv_beer> I just hated the configuration screen
[10:06] <i_luv_beer> too confusing
[10:06] <travis> yeah
[10:07] <travis> and since i am a newb, i don't exactly know totally what i am looking at
[10:08] <tuxi> hi
[10:08] <tuxi> anyone running ubuntu / kubuntu on vpc?
[10:08] <otaku-san> cpk2: d00d your thinking ./install.sh
[10:08] <otaku-san> hehehe
[10:10] <i_luv_beer> hmm I got it working
[10:10] <i_luv_beer> you have it installed travis?
[10:10] <i_luv_beer> go into "Run" in the KDE menu, type "kxdocker"
[10:10] <i_luv_beer> btw anytime you want to load a package all you gotta do is type the name
[10:10] <i_luv_beer> either in console or at a run prompt
[10:10] <i_luv_beer> very nice feature of linux command line
[10:11] <Thorrn4> I have a problem with installing the Mozilla-flash pluggin - http://paste.uni.cc/10249 its not installing and its giving me an error
[10:12] <i_luv_beer> Thorrn4: you using amd64, or ppc?
[10:12] <Thorrn4> no, x86
[10:12] <i_luv_beer> !easyubuntu
[10:12] <ubotu> EasyUbuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ ; for help and or discussions about EasyUbuntu please join #easyubuntu.
[10:12] <travis> heh, yeah but i can't configure the kxdocker to be at the top of the screen or right or left, it owon't let me
[10:12] <i_luv_beer> try that
[10:13] <sybux> How can I watch divx movie on kubu ?
[10:14] <fdoving> !codecs
[10:14] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:14] <sybux> thx
[10:14] <i_luv_beer> yeah it's grayed out for me too
[10:14] <i_luv_beer> I really hate it's configuration dialog
[10:14] <i_luv_beer> very ugly
[10:14] <cpk2> otaku-san: oh, oops
[10:15] <zorglu_> fdoving: do you know if ubotu can provide stat about the usage frequency for each of its command ?
[10:15] <i_luv_beer> someone make a ksmoothdock package plz :p
[10:15] <fdoving> zorglu_: not that i'm aware of.
[10:15] <zorglu_> fdoving: ok
[10:15] <mushroomblue> msg nickserv identify halofive
[10:15] <fdoving> zorglu_: you can read about him at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[10:15] <mushroomblue> oh my god I know I didn't just do that.
[10:15] <mushroomblue> kbye
[10:15] <zorglu_> mushroomblue: time to change password :)
[10:15] <fdoving> mushroomblue: i suggest changing that password fast :)
[10:16] <mushroomblue> yup.
[10:16] <i_luv_beer> lol
[10:16] <i_luv_beer> SO TEMPTING
[10:16] <fdoving> zorglu_: https://bot.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?order=popularity%20DESC&page=0
[10:16] <fdoving> zorglu_: sorted by popularity, most pop. first.
[10:17] <otaku-san> cpk2: kinda depends on the filename...and it has to be .sh  So it would be ./(install file..probably called install).sh
[10:17] <zorglu_> fdoving: yep just looking at it, thanks :)
[10:17] <mushroomblue> wow. that was officially the lamest thing I've done on IRC.
[10:17] <mushroomblue> kbye. :)
[10:17] <i_luv_beer> I always type password in status screen
[10:17] <Thorrn4> i_luv_beer, I installed, but its not loading
[10:18] <i_luv_beer> did you copy paste the stuff said into terminal/
[10:18] <cpk2> I have my client send my login when i connect to irc
[10:18] <i_luv_beer> make sure to hit ENTER too
[10:19] <i_luv_beer> last commnad will not got executed without hitting enter
[10:20] <cpk2> otaku-san: i guess i normally just use .installs =P
[10:21] <otaku-san> hehe
[10:22] <otaku-san> there is a .deb install for the file on they're site...but I don't know how to get those to work
[10:22] <cpk2> otaku-san: use dpkg
[10:23] <cpk2> i think it would be dpkg -i installthis.deb
[10:23] <otaku-san> you mean point the file in konsole and put in dpkg (file) /
[10:23] <zorglu_> cpk2: about our previous discussion, it is there https://bot.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu&order=popularity%20DESC&page=0 quite educationnal, in fact repository is only third
[10:23] <otaku-san> oh question answered
[10:24] <Raul12> does alternate cd of kbuntu.iso is text or graphical installation
[10:24] <cpk2> if you are using the .deb otaku-san you would just do dpkg -i installthis.deb
[10:24] <tsdgeos>  alternate is text afaik
[10:24] <cpk2> might need sudo to do it
[10:24] <otaku-san> hmmm ok
[10:24] <Raul12> is alternate is tuff to install ?
[10:24] <cpk2> zorglu_: i think they need to fix their certificate
[10:24] <Raul12> any help how to install
[10:25] <zorglu_> cpk2: yep :) but it is another issue
[10:25] <cpk2> zorglu_: haha pastebin is second
[10:25] <Sanne> Raul12: alternate is not hard. Only if you plan to do custom partitions you need to concentrate a bit, but that's also not hard.
[10:26] <zorglu_> cpk2: :)
[10:26] <cpk2> zorglu_: is this just from the ubuntu channel or all the channels?
[10:26] <zorglu_> cpk2: all the channel the bot is on, from what i understand
[10:26] <cpk2> wow compiz is 4th
[10:27] <Raul12> Sanne any written document on alternate installation ?
[10:27] <zorglu_> cpk2: yep this eyes candy will do real good for linux
[10:27] <i_luv_beer> Raul12: both are easy, but the standard one allows you to use live-cd
[10:27] <i_luv_beer> Raul12: the alternate one allows you to script installations
[10:27] <i_luv_beer> so it is better if you want to install ubuntu on like 100 computers
[10:27] <pielgrzym> anybody knows how to move /boot to another partition? I got a very first partition with an exact copy of boot. grub boots with this partition - all I need to do is change fstab? :) help plz! :)
[10:28] <cpk2> zorglu_: yeah people coming from windows probably care most about "does it look pretty?" and "can i do everything from gui?"
[10:28] <Sanne> Raul12: I don't know of any links, sorry, but I'm sure they could be found if you try to search.
[10:28] <otaku-san> cpk2: *mouth drops open*  ....that was kinda sick how easy that was....*gently pokes box*
[10:28] <zorglu_> cpk2: i could not agree more :)
[10:28] <cpk2> otaku-san: dpkg is basically the same as using apt-get =D
[10:29] <cpk2> although i think all the user friendly stuff like apt-get is great, I enjoy being lazy
[10:29] <otaku-san> cpk2: it installed...lets see if it works...hehehe ;)  Yeah...just more manual labor!!! ;p
[10:29] <otaku-san> heheh I agree with you
[10:29] <otaku-san> Linux Users = Lazy ;)
[10:29] <cpk2> no one likes having to go through installing tons of libs just to compile something and install
[10:30] <otaku-san> no kidding
[10:30] <otaku-san> thats all I did to get Linux up to snuff....
[10:30] <tuxi> cpk2, there are still gentoo users
[10:31] <cpk2> tuxi: yes, i have been linked some slashdot quotes =P
[10:32] <arcasa> How can I get .wmv files to play properly? (Kubuntu Dapper amd64)
[10:32] <zorglu_> !codec
[10:32] <tuxi> arcasa, think you can use ms dlls
[10:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about codec - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:33] <zorglu_> !codecd
[10:33] <zorglu_> !codecs
[10:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about codecd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:33] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:33] <zorglu_> there :)
[10:33] <arcasa> ms dlls?
[10:34] <tuxi> microsoft dynamic link libarys
[10:34] <cpk2> tuxi: 'Gentoo doesn't ask what it can do to make things easier, it asks you exactly what it is that you want it to do, and then does precisely and only that.'
[10:34] <MasterEvilAce> what's a good image viewer? where i can load up a folder of images and just step through them
[10:34] <arcasa> Well according to Restricted Formats I can't play them.
[10:34] <cpk2> =P
[10:34] <otaku-san> cpk2: New something was up when it went easily....it won't come up...maybe I need to poke it a bit
[10:34] <arcasa> Maaan amd64 sucks. Why doesn't anyone bother helping us out?
[10:34] <pielgrzym> anybody knows how to move /boot to another partition? I got a very first partition with an exact copy of boot. grub boots with this partition - all I need to do is change fstab? :) help plz! :)
[10:34] <zorglu_> arcasa: you can with the w32codec if the wmv has no drm
[10:35] <arcasa> I don't have any win32codecs.
[10:35] <arcasa> Where do i get them?
[10:35] <zorglu_> via the url i gave you at first :)
[10:35] <zorglu_> several command to do
[10:35] <cpk2> otaku-san: whats the program?
[10:36] <otaku-san> its called CastPodder
[10:36] <arcasa> Restricted formats?
[10:36] <cpk2> doesnt start at all?
[10:36] <otaku-san> ack restricted format!
[10:36] <otaku-san> ....I type castpodder into konsole....nothing
[10:36] <cpk2> i am lauging reading this article on gentoo
[10:37] <arcasa> AMD64 architecture
[10:37] <arcasa> The Windows Codecs package cannot be used directly by the AMD64 distribution. Some people solve this problem by installing the i386 Ubuntu distribution inside a chroot (for example, Linux Vserver or [WWW]  dchroot), and this works very well.
[10:37] <arcasa> Fuck.
[10:37] <cpk2> !language
[10:37] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[10:37] <arcasa> !language
[10:37] <otaku-san> I do it then like this CastPodder...a whole jumble of stuff comes up...complaining...but Castpodder doesn't come up
[10:37] <arcasa> Aww... don't work for me.
[10:37] <otaku-san> ...hehehe thats cuz cpk2 did it first
[10:38] <otaku-san> I think the bot has a certain timelimit before it can be used again
[10:38] <otaku-san> to prevent bot abuse and flooding
[10:39] <arcasa> How come after 3 years, No one's provided any support for amd64?
[10:39] <arcasa> I can't play wmv now. That sucks.
[10:39] <arcasa> But you'd have thought, after 3 years, someone woulda fixed that.
[10:39] <otaku-san> cpk2: I tried going into usr/bin...found a script shell no exe
[10:39] <zorglu_> arcasa: an possibility would be to run on 32bit
[10:39] <one> hi evry1
[10:39] <arcasa> You mean reinstall kubuntu?
[10:40] <one> just getting back 2 kubuntu, need sum sggestions
[10:40] <arcasa> Why on earth would I do that! amd64 is the newest... Should be the best! But no one thinks to update.
[10:40] <cpk2> otaku-san: they have any notes about it from where you got the dpkg?
[10:40] <otaku-san> arcasa: d00d 64 is still in the infant stage...sad I know...so change to 32...that means compleatly getting a new CD image
[10:40] <arcasa> I don't want to change to 32 bit.
[10:41] <arcasa> It would be a waste of an AMD 64 4000+
[10:41] <zorglu_> arcasa: the 64bit is in progress, sorry for the incovenience
[10:41] <arcasa> Progress? 3 damn years!
[10:41] <otaku-san> arcasa: Winbloze has almost no support
[10:41] <arcasa> But Windows works.
[10:42] <arcasa> And the pride of the Ubuntu premise is that the community are always updating.. Making it better.
[10:42] <zorglu_> arcasa: so you have 2 alternatives, either ubuntu in 32bit or window, it is up to you to choose
[10:42] <otaku-san> arcasa: not all the way...64 is still new....nobody is totally willing to go over
[10:42] <arcasa> Well after 3 years, and still no wmv or wine support... i think that is a failure.
[10:42] <cpk2> you are blaming ubuntu that wine doesnt work?
[10:42] <zorglu_> arcasa: if you are not satified with ubuntu, you can use window. ubuntu want user to be satisfied
[10:42] <arcasa> So how the hell am I gonna watch porn now?
[10:43] <arcasa> I don't want to use windows dammnit. Windows suck.
[10:43] <otaku-san> cpk2: ok....they do have something on it....but the links borked
[10:43] <zorglu_> arcasa: well ok so you complain about everybody :)
[10:43] <arcasa> It's computing for morons. I'm not a moron.
[10:43] <cpk2> otaku-san: =\
[10:43] <arcasa> I complain that 3 years is a helluva long time to be in infant stages.
[10:43] <Sanne> arcasa: wmv is proprietary, you need the half-legal win32codecs for those. There's not much free developers can do with proprietary formats, because of legal issues. That said, there are ways for 64but users, hold on, I'll get you a link.
[10:43] <MasterEvilAce> yeah entertainment is :-/ on ubuntu. Lots of videos i can't play because codecs and stuff just don't work.
[10:44] <zorglu_> arcasa: we proposed you all the solutions available and none satisfy you
[10:44] <MasterEvilAce> or not easily, atleast
[10:44] <cpk2> you can always try using the plf repo for codecs
[10:44] <otaku-san> .........how about automatix or easyubuntu
[10:44] <arcasa> I do not want windows. Nor do I want to lose all my files by reinstalling.
[10:44] <arcasa> plf repo? Explain please.
[10:44] <cpk2> arcasa: why would you lose all your files?
[10:44] <cpk2> !plf
[10:44] <ubotu> plf is the Penguin Liberation Front, see http://wiki.ubuntu-fr.org/doc/plf - mainly for i386 users with some packages for ppc
[10:44] <Sanne> arcasa: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=191205
[10:44] <insparedes> !es
[10:44] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[10:44] <zorglu_> plf wont do any good tho :)
[10:45] <cpk2> !easysource
[10:45] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[10:45] <arcasa> Because if I install the new kernel, my old one, including my files, would be overwritten.
[10:45] <cpk2> that might have some non-free repos
[10:45] <otaku-san> I think Hawkwind has something on getting all the good repos
[10:45] <cpk2> arcasa: move your important data to a different partition?
[10:45] <Monchito> good afternoon
[10:45] <cpk2> and changing your kernel overwrites nothing
[10:46] <Josh_> how come my c++ compiler won't recognize the g++ command?
[10:46] <Josh_> i've already downloaded the build-essential package
[10:46] <arcasa> It formats my drive! How can that overwrite nothing?!
[10:46] <steveire> it's gcc
[10:47] <zorglu_> arcasa is definitly a though client :)
[10:47] <Sanne> arcasa: expecially for wmv: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=188974
[10:47] <Josh_> steveire i know its gcc
[10:47] <Josh_> Jucato: you around?
[10:48] <arcasa> How long do you think until they start giving amd64 PROPER support?
[10:48] <lynx> ontno
[10:48] <zorglu_> arcasa: unpredictable
[10:48] <cpk2> arcasa: when you compile a new kernel all you do is add a new kernel to your machine (can be big or small, depends on how much you compile in) and then you can choose to boot from that kernel or any other numerous kernels you may have installed
[10:48] <zorglu_> arcasa: but likely long
[10:48] <travis> anyone know a good dvd ripper?
[10:48] <lynx> no
[10:48] <zorglu_> arcasa: using your meaning of 'proper' :)
[10:48] <cpk2> arcasa: probably around the time they start phasing out 32bit
[10:48] <Monchito> no man sorry
[10:49] <Sanne> arcasa: the ubuntu devs already do that. The rest is up to the corporations.
[10:49] <Josh_> anyone know what i need to do to make my compiler recognize the g++ command?
[10:49] <zorglu_> Josh_: what do you mean ? g++ is the compiler
[10:49] <arcasa> I have a dream. A dream where 32 bit kernels... and 64 bit kernels... Can live together in peace... Sharing the same abilities and compatibilities.
[10:50] <zorglu_> arcasa: well unfortunatly it is a dream
[10:50] <Josh_> zorglu: here is my problem, i coded c++ program on xemacs, it asks for the make, and i type n g++ etc. then it says
[10:50] <Sanne> arcasa: why do you need a 32bit kernel on a 64bit ubuntu?
[10:50] <sinpath> need help >.< windows user now useing linux " i need some help with setting up my all-in-one printer
[10:50] <cpk2> i'm sure 64bit will be backwards compatible
[10:50] <Josh_> my compilation exited abnormally because /b/bin/bash: g++: command not
[10:51] <otaku-san> cpk2: it has to be...no one would change over...
[10:51] <Josh_> command not found
[10:51] <zorglu_> Josh_: ok type "which g++" in a terminal
[10:51] <cpk2> otaku-san: nonsense, the companies can do whatever they want, you cant put an agp card into a pci-e slot now can you? =P
[10:51] <arcasa> I wish all you 32 bit people would evolve to 64 :P
[10:51] <zorglu_> Josh_: what does it say ?
[10:52] <arcasa> It's such a shame that the human race are so pathetic when it comes to moving onto something new.
[10:52] <arcasa> The energy crisis is a perfect example.
[10:52] <zorglu_> arcasa: please behave and watch the language
[10:52] <otaku-san> well my mplayer is borked....always has been...anyone know of another player I could use for firefox
[10:52] <Josh_> zorglu: which g++ in the terminal brought up nothing for me
[10:52] <otaku-san> cpk2: true true
[10:52] <zorglu_> Josh_: so it is not installed
[10:52] <arcasa> We COULD just use windfarms and other safe things... But NO. Human race wants to drain all the natural resources... Then complain... Then suffer.
[10:52] <cpk2> arcasa: i purposefully dont have a 64bit because i know it is still new and has very little support
[10:52] <sinpath> i need some help with setting up my all-in-one printer hp printer wont run or isnt detected
[10:53] <cpk2> not to mention very little people are optimizing for 64bit
[10:53] <arcasa> I really find it hard to belive that something can still be classed as "new" after 3 years.
[10:53] <Sanne> Josh_, zorglu_: package build-essential?
[10:53] <Josh_> zorglu: what do i need to download? i thought i needed to download the build-essential package
[10:53] <zorglu_> Sanne: he said he installed it, trying to narrow down the issue
[10:53] <otaku-san> arcasa: I understand your point but whining about it won't help...get out there and do something!  We need more pushing and work and less whining and sitting
[10:54] <sinpath> can any one help me with my printer?
[10:54] <Sanne> zorglu_: sorry, didn't catch it, will be silent now ;)
[10:54] <cpk2> and you cant put a windfarm in any old place
[10:54] <Monchito> what is da problemman?
[10:54] <arcasa> Otaku... I started Kubuntu 6 days ago. I WISH I could "get out there and do something!"... But I really can't. No where near skilled enough.
[10:54] <zorglu_> Sanne: no need to be sorry, only updating you :)
[10:54] <Sanne> zorglu_: thanks :)
[10:55] <zorglu_> arcasa: well learn and then contribute
[10:55] <zorglu_> !build-essential
[10:55] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[10:55] <Monchito> sinpath: what is da problem?
[10:55] <Josh_> zorglu: i'll be right back i think i found the problem but i may needyour help again
[10:55] <zorglu_> ok
[10:55] <sinpath> it wont detect it
[10:55] <arcasa> I am learning... A couple of days ago I couldn't run a terminal... I couldn't make my way through my files in a terminal.... I'm actually amazed how quickly I'v picked it up.
[10:56] <cpk2> the best way to learn is by abandoning windows so you *have* to figure it out or you cant get done what you want
[10:57] <otaku-san> arcasa: me neither man!  I've been using Linux all of like 2 months!  I'm so n00b it's not even funny.  But here is an answer.  save your files to disk, key drive.  nuke the 64 bit ubuntu.  Change over to 32 bit...learn on that!  And then once your knowlegable go back to 64 bit
[10:57] <cpk2> btw otaku-sanyou try dpkg-reconfigure castpodder
[10:57] <otaku-san> and it might have better support by then
[10:57] <otaku-san> cpk2: cool...trying that now
[10:57] <cpk2> might give you some setup optioins
[10:57] <sinpath> linux is a first for me & i dont have the set up disk for  it which i was told wont work
[10:57] <arcasa> No man.... I find the principle of DOWNGRADING my kernel.... Idiotic.
[10:57] <arcasa> I'll bitch and moan until support for amd64 comes :P
[10:58] <Sanne> arcasa: that, or actually go to the links I gave you and read what's on there. There are solutions to most 64bit problems. If you get stuck with details, come back here for help.
[10:58] <otaku-san> arcasa: then your unwilling to LEARN!
[10:58] <cpk2> then learn how to build a 64bit program and help the community
[10:58] <zorglu_> arcasa: please avoid all the insult everywhere
[10:58] <cpk2> err system not program
[10:58] <arcasa> I have read.
[10:58] <arcasa> I read them while trying to install wine.
[10:58] <|lostbyte|> ANy one here installed ubuntu server edition ?
[10:58] <arcasa> it's impossible without a chroot... And that is something I won't do.
[10:58] <otaku-san> arcasa: to learn you have to crawl before walking....using 64 ubuntu is like using a beta...it's not for a n00b...go back...then work forward
[10:59] <Sanne> arcasa: I have wine on a 64bit system without chroot.
[11:00] <otaku-san> cpk2: ok I did that and it waited for a sec then went back to normal
[11:00] <cpk2> no configure options?
[11:00] <travis> man, i wish you could make the default clock just say the am pm time, instead of military time
[11:00] <Sanne> arcasa: for wine, I pretty much followed this: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=185557
[11:01] <cpk2> travis: you can
[11:01] <travis> you can?
[11:01] <cpk2> travis: right click the time then go to date time format
[11:01] <arcasa> Does the wine work?
[11:02] <otaku-san> cpk2: nope...no config options
[11:02] <cpk2> otaku-san: did anyone else make any debs of it? maybe its a broken deb?
[11:02] <otaku-san> Sanne: I think arcasa is asking you that...if you missed it
[11:02] <travis> i tried that, i don't see anythign to change into am and pm
[11:02] <Sanne> arcasa: talking to me? Of so, please mention my name so I get highlighted by my chat program. So far, what I wanted to run with wine works so much as to be expected, at least not worse than on 32bit.
[11:02] <|lostbyte|> !fork
[11:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fork - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:02] <arcasa> Sanne: Does it work properly :P
[11:02] <|lostbyte|> !find fork
[11:02] <cpk2> travis: go to the date and time tab
[11:02] <ubotu> Found: libprefork-perl, apache2-mpm-prefork, apache2-prefork-dev
[11:02] <|lostbyte|> :(
[11:03] <Sanne> otaku-san: yeah, just figured, thanks :)
[11:03] <arcasa> One single thing I miss about Windows.... Is Tibia :(
[11:03] <sinpath> that sucks
[11:03] <cpk2> travis: change hh:mm:ss to the other options
[11:03] <otaku-san> Sanne: np
[11:03] <Sanne> arcasa: as much as you can expect, yes.
[11:03] <arcasa> Sanne: Thanks dude.
[11:03] <otaku-san> cpk2:  sadly it's just one deb file....
[11:03] <Sanne> arcasa: /me no dude ;) but you're welcome
[11:04] <cpk2> otaku-san: too bad that link with the notes you mentioned is broken =\
[11:04] <arcasa> Just a random question... How old is everyone?
[11:04] <arcasa> I'm 14.
[11:04] <cpk2> otaku-san: guess you might want to try uninstalling with dpkg and then compiling
[11:04] <travis> ah yes, i did that, but its still on military time, do i ahve to restart the computer?
[11:04] <sinpath> 25 & no clue with linux
[11:04] <Sanne> lol
[11:05] <cpk2> travis: did you apply the changes?
[11:05] <travis> yup
[11:05] <travis> and something came up and i clicked yes
[11:05] <cpk2> i dont see why kdm would have to be restarted
[11:05] <otaku-san> cpk2: hehehe yeah...it sux0rz  Hmmm let me check the tarball...
[11:06] <travis> hmm, it says if i want to change language(which i don't) i have to logout
[11:06] <travis> heh
[11:06] <travis> thats silly
[11:07] <|lostbyte|> Listen up, i have a laptop cdrom is crashed and there ant a floopy drive on it. How do i install kubuntu on it ...........?
[11:07] <cpk2> sinpath: how is your printer plugged into your machine?
[11:07] <sinpath> usb
[11:07] <cpk2> |lostbyte|: network install?
[11:07] <arcasa> Thanks Sanne :D I now have wine installed on amd64 :D:D:D:D
[11:07] <otaku-san> travis: yes you have to logout...
[11:07] <arcasa> Now to try and install Tibia. . .
[11:07] <cpk2> sinpath: does it show up if you do lsusb?
[11:07] <|lostbyte|> cpk2, does'nt that need a floopy.
[11:07] <|lostbyte|> ?
[11:07] <cpk2> !printer
[11:07] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[11:07] <travis> heh alright
[11:07] <sinpath> its an all in one hp1350
[11:07] <otaku-san> arcasa: see...you just had to wait for someone who knew.  Have fun man
[11:07] <sinpath> whats a lsusb?
[11:08] <cpk2> sinpath: open a terminal and type "lsusb
[11:08] <cpk2> "
[11:08] <cpk2> without quotes
[11:08] <Sanne> arcasa: hey, congrats! :)
[11:08] <lupine_85>  sinpath: HP are generally well-supported. Have you tried adding it using the control panel?
[11:08] <lupine_85> (just got in from work!)
[11:08] <arcasa> Why do corporations hate our guts?
[11:08] <sinpath> ok i'll try that thanks cpk2
[11:08] <|lostbyte|> any one ?
[11:09] <sinpath> umm no im new to linux
[11:09] <arcasa> Does M$ pay them off behind our backs or something?
[11:09] <arcasa> Just to make our lives difficult?
[11:09] <cpk2> |lostbyte|: some motherboards can do networking with the bios
[11:09] <lupine_85> |lostbyte|: see the wiki for alternative install options
[11:09] <ahmeni> Is there a package that has the vim kpart in dapper or edgy?
[11:09] <lupine_85> !install
[11:09] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[11:09] <lupine_85> mwahahaha
[11:10] <|lostbyte|> cpk2, lupine_85, yes my laptop suport the ethernet boot
[11:10] <lupine_85> you don't need it.
[11:10] <lupine_85> see the link above
[11:10] <arcasa> wine: creating configuration directory '/home/arcasa/.wine'...
[11:10] <arcasa> X Error of failed request:  BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)
[11:10] <arcasa>   Major opcode of failed request:  142 (GLX)
[11:10] <arcasa>   Minor opcode of failed request:  3 (X_GLXCreateContext)
[11:10] <arcasa>   Serial number of failed request:  14
[11:11] <arcasa>   Current serial number in output stream:  15
[11:11] <arcasa> wine: wineprefixcreate failed while creating '/home/arcasa/.wine'.
[11:11] <arcasa> arcasa@Alchemy:~$ wwineserver: could not save registry branch to /home/arcasa/.wine-kA9BF2/system.reg : No such file or directory
[11:11] <arcasa> wineserver: could not save registry branch to /home/arcasa/.wine-kA9BF2/user.reg : No such file or directory
[11:11] <arcasa> wine tibia781.exe
[11:11] <arcasa> Sorry about the long post. . . .
[11:11] <otaku-san> arcasa: d00d stop posting that in the channel!  Use pastebin
[11:11] <otaku-san> !pastebin
[11:11] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[11:11] <|lostbyte|> lupine_85, been there dude, only possible tecq from there was ethernet install and usbstick.
[11:11] <arcasa> OK I'll do that next time... Can anyone help me?
[11:11] <|lostbyte|> lupine_85, left out usbstick cause i only have a 512 mb one
[11:11] <|lostbyte|> i was so close.
[11:12] <otaku-san> arcasa: you might want to google it
[11:12] <otaku-san> let it sit there a while and see if anyone knows
[11:12] <|lostbyte|> any one here done the network boot ?
[11:12] <cpk2> |lostbyte|: you can "make" your own install iso to make it smaller
[11:13] <Sanne> arcasa: can you run winecfg (from a terminal)?
[11:13] <|lostbyte|> cpk2, link me.
[11:13] <lupine_85> can you boot from a USB stick?
[11:13] <lupine_85> (forget about the size for now)
[11:14] <|lostbyte|> lupine_85, yes, i can. but i wasnt a kubuntu iso of, 490 MB
[11:14] <|lostbyte|> its only a 512 mb stick
[11:14] <|lostbyte|> wasnt/want*
[11:15] <arcasa> No I can't run winecfg.
[11:15] <arcasa> I get that stupid error.
[11:15] <|GaiJin|> what is the command for making firefox opening a url in a new tab rather than a new window??
[11:15] <klerfayt> konqueror goes crazy if I type   man:xorg.conf  into address bar
[11:15] <|lostbyte|> |GaiJin|, mozilla-firefox <url>
[11:15] <lupine_85> |lostbyte|: the ptoblem with booting from ethernet is that you need another system to boot *from* - and I doubt you have that. But, you can install "any other" - smaller - linux onto the USB stick, and bootstrap Ubuntu from there
[11:15] <|lostbyte|> argh
[11:16] <lupine_85>  sinpath: what's the exact name of your printer?
[11:17] <cpk2> |lostbyte|: well i lost the link
[11:17] <|lostbyte|> lupine_85, yes, i have another kubuntu system, i am on it right now.
[11:17] <|lostbyte|> :o
[11:17] <arcasa> Anyone got any ideas for this error?
[11:17] <klerfayt> could someone type  man:xorg.conf  into konqueror address bar and see if it works?
[11:17] <|lostbyte|> lupine_85, the guide on wiki.ubuntu.com, for netinstal. are you referening to that one.
[11:18] <|lostbyte|> refering*
[11:18] <lupine_85> I'm not referring anything :). going from memory
[11:18] <ahmeni> Aww, looks like kvim and the vimpart project shut down :(
[11:18] <lupine_85> if you can do the netboot, that might be easier but I've never done it
[11:18] <arcasa> X Error of failed request:  BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)
[11:18] <arcasa> When i run winecfg
[11:19] <arcasa> Someone save my soul. Please.
[11:19] <cpk2> lupine_85: you know anything about changing the iso install to include/exclude what you want
[11:19] <|lostbyte|> lupine_85, dude, like you said you need to boot from another pc. i was wondering which method your talking about ?
[11:19] <lupine_85> |lostbyte|: for net boot, you need another PC to serve the OS to the booting PC.
[11:19] <lupine_85> you have that - so give it a go
[11:20] <|lostbyte|> lupine_85, Alright..
[11:20] <lupine_85> xpk2: not really. Personally, I'd fude it by copying the contents of the .iso to a new directory, deleting anything I didn't want on the CD, then using mkisofs (or whatever) to recreate the ISP
[11:20] <lupine_85> ISO*. No doubt you'd need to do something to keep it bootable, but I don't know what
[11:23] <|lostbyte|> lupine_85, is this what i need to do -----> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/Netboot ? just making sure..
[11:24] <Sanne> arcasa: sorry, if you did all as written in the tread I posted, it should work. I used that and didn't get an error. Maybe ask on ubuntuforums in the 64bit section, or ask in #winehq?
[11:25] <ahmeni> |lostbyte|: yeah, that should do what you need
[11:25] <|lostbyte|> tx
[11:26] <arcasa> Sanne: I'm asking in wineHQ now :P
[11:27] <Sanne> arcasa: good luck :)
[11:31] <otaku-san> cpk2: Adept Manager says castpodder is installed
[11:35] <wheatear> hello everyone :)
[11:36] <steveire> flashplugin-nonfree is giving me hassle since an upgrade. Anything I can do about that?
[11:36] <arcasa> Molotov everything?
[11:38] <wheatear> anyone got a sec to answer a question or three?
[11:39] <MasterEvilAce> wheatear: just ask it :)
[11:41] <wheatear> ok... :)  well how do I go about compiling and installing the skge module?
[11:43] <wheatear> I've been instructed to do this: sudo apt-get install build-essential checkinstall linux-headers-`uname -r`
[11:43] <wheatear> which I see has installed g++, make etc
[11:44] <wheatear> and thats as far as i've got :P
[11:44] <Knifa> my spare computer doesn't like the kubuntu disc ._.
[11:45] <ahmeni> wheatear: build-essential and such will get you the environment to compile the module, you should just have to follow the module's instructions now
[11:45] <Knifa> or rather it loads and goes
[11:45] <Knifa> "the process for the file protocol died unexpedctadly"
[11:45] <Knifa> perhaps livecd on a p3 500mhz with 64mb of rams is a bad idea.
[11:45] <zorglu_> !bash
[11:45] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via applications -> accessories -> terminal (gnome) or kmenu -> system -> konsole (kde). Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[11:45] <satempler> for Kubuntu Edgy+1 do i need to go into #ubuntu+1
[11:46] <lupine_85> satempler: probably best
[11:46] <satempler> ok
[11:47] <satempler> is there a how to on bug reporting
[11:47] <satempler> i have a lot btw
[11:47] <lupine_85> !bugs
[11:48] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu, please report it at http://bugs.ubuntu.com
[11:48] <klerfayt> satempler: go here; register; and start reporting
[11:48] <lupine_85> it's pretty easy :)
[11:48] <satempler> ok
[11:48] <klerfayt> satempler: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu
[11:48] <MasterEvilAce> reporting is fun and awesome!
[11:48] <ccherrett> I am about to buy a nvidia 7900GT. Is there anything to look out for or does the card work well in linux. I think the nvidia driver supports it?
[11:49] <MasterEvilAce> remember: reporting duplicates is not so fun and awesome! :)
[11:49] <SonicChao> how do I stop windows from clumping together?
[11:50] <arcasa> Click and Drag.
[11:51] <SonicChao> No...I mean in the taskbar
[11:51] <SonicChao> When it goes "Firefox-bin [3] " etc
[11:51] <arcasa> Oh... That's kinda built in.
[11:51] <arcasa> Performance thing.
[11:51] <arcasa> Besides, Don't you use tabs?
[11:52] <SonicChao> It's not just that.
[11:52] <ahmeni> SonicChao: there's an option in the control panel to turn it off
[11:52] <arcasa> Well my advice... Use your extra desktops.
[11:52] <SonicChao> Where?
[11:53] <arcasa> Up near your clock.
[11:54] <ahmeni> SonicChao: kcontrol > Desktop > Taskbar > Group similar tasks
[11:54] <Knifa> will kubuntu run on a p3 500mhz with 64mb of ram? D:
[11:54] <arcasa> I do not no. But I wish you luck :)
[11:54] <Knifa> :|
[11:54] <Knifa> well
[11:54] <Knifa> the live cd is taking years to load in
[11:55] <Knifa> it's so slow the cursor lags when you move it
[11:55] <ahmeni> you'll probaby have to enable a swap space so it doesn't run out of memory
[11:55] <Knifa> yeah
[11:55] <ahmeni> otherwise I run it on a p3 600 with 128 semi-decently
[11:55] <arcasa> Heh... What kinda person owns a P3 with 64MB of ram these days anyway?
[11:55] <klerfayt> what is the cheat code for livecd to use 1280x800 resolution?
[11:55] <Knifa> it is a spare computer
[11:56] <ahmeni> arcasa: people who know that p3's are still worthy of being a decent linux desktop ;D
[11:56] <wheatear> well my kubuntu is running really nice on a p3 600 with 512 ram
[11:56] <Tokeiito> what kde FTP client is the best? i've tryed kbear and kftpgrabber but both are not stable
[11:57] <klerfayt> Tokeiito: kasablanca
[11:57] <arcasa> I like Pie.
[11:57] <MasterEvilAce> everybody likes pie
[11:58] <arcasa> :D
[11:58] <LeeJunFan> warm apple pie.
[11:58] <ahmeni> eep, not enough space on this laptop to upgrade to edgy
[11:58] <Knifa> i think the cd blew up.
[11:58] <Knifa> is there uh
[11:58] <KaiHanari> how do i add another port for sshd?
[11:58] <Knifa> anyway i can install it without going through the live cd thing
[11:58] <sorush20> why is my cpu load so high please? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24138
[11:58] <arcasa> OK So I have about a Gig of Goth Porn.
[11:59] <Knifa> :|
[11:59] <arcasa> I want to view it all as a slideshow.
[11:59] <rawr> whats your problem knifa?
[11:59] <LeeJunFan> arcasa: gwenview
[11:59] <arcasa> Is there anyway to get Konqueror to show me all my pr0n?
[11:59] <arcasa> Ah thanks LeeJunFan.
[11:59] <Knifa> well you see i'm insane and trying to install kubuntu on a p3 500mhz with 64mb of ram
[11:59] <Knifa> but the live cd kills it
[11:59] <rawr> Ahh
[11:59] <Knifa> and it takes ages to get to the installer
[11:59] <rawr> try the alternet cd
[11:59] <rawr> kubuntu live crashed mine real slow
[12:00] <rawr> and i have 256 ramm XD
[12:00] <Knifa> :O
[12:00] <LeeJunFan> sorush20: run 'top' from a konsole/shell and see what it tells you.
[12:00] <rawr> under downloads install alternet cd
[12:00] <rawr> its text based
[12:00] <satempler> how do i restart kde-guidance-powermanager
[12:00] <Knifa> kk
[12:00] <MasterEvilAce> i have 256 ram, too
[12:00] <rawr> Yay i helped my first person.
[12:00] <MasterEvilAce> wish i had more
[12:00] <rawr> yea i need to buy more
[12:00] <rawr> 256 more is about 40 bucks though
[12:01] <Knifa> mabye i should try ubuntu actually
[12:01] <sorush20> root is using 55% of cpu
[12:01] <rawr> that works  to
[12:01] <sorush20> root xorg
[12:01] <rawr> and if you don't like gnome
[12:01] <rawr> just install the kde enviro ment
[12:01] <Knifa> i like gnome but i want to try something else
[12:01] <Knifa> oh finally the install window appearewd!
[12:01] <sorush20> the command is xorg
[12:02] <rawr> and knifa
[12:02] <Knifa> ahoy
[12:02] <rawr> if your running on a real small ramm cpu
[12:02] <rawr> try xubuntu
[12:02] <Knifa> kay
[12:02] <sorush20> is there a really minimalistic gui just like the terminal but with not graphics just text and colour..
[12:02] <rawr> takes less resources
[12:02] <Josh_> is there a way to import songs from cds like on itunes?
[12:03] <sorush20> yes Josh_
[12:03] <rawr> many
[12:03] <harleypig> I'm having a problem with openoffice after doing a dist-upgrade ... several unmet dependencies.  I can't go back or forward.
[12:03] <Josh_> sorush20 how?
[12:03] <rawr> acidripper is one i think.
[12:03] <sorush20> Josh_: kAudioCreator..
[12:04] <rawr> XD even says cd ripperr next to it...
[12:04] <sorush20> Josh_: up to you whether you want mp3 or free ogg, if you have an ipod you can install linux on to it and run ogg on your ipod..
[12:04] <Josh_> sorush20 it says i don't have an encoder? how do i get an encoder
[12:04] <sorush20> why is root using so much cpu
[12:04] <rawr> what takes up less space mp3 or ogg?
[12:05] <LeeJunFan> sorush20: not root - xorg, good question though - you have something goin on on your desktop like visual plugins for amarok or something?
[12:05] <Josh_> what do you guys do when kubuntu freezes up?
[12:05] <OOD> CTRL+Alt+Backspace
[12:05] <rawr> I unplug my cpu XD
[12:06] <OOD> taht should restart X
[12:06] <klerfayt> Josh_: never freezed
[12:06] <sorush20> LeeJunFan: I'm doing home work browsing and typing in OOo..
[12:06] <rawr> I think ctrll alt back locks it up even more
[12:06] <sorush20> Josh_: I'm not sure..
[12:06] <OOD> since it's mostly the GUI that freezes
[12:06] <rawr> mine like gos all colorfull
[12:06] <rawr> with white lines and stuffs
[12:06] <Sanne> Josh_: also do a memtest onyour RAM to make sure it's ok.
[12:06] <sorush20> Josh_: check in the adept..
[12:06] <LeeJunFan> sorush20: it could be some aggressive animations on a webpage you are viewing, but likely the browser would show up as using a lot of cpu too.
[12:07] <sorush20> true..
[12:07] <sorush20> LeeJunFan:
[12:07] <Josh_> sorush20 check in the adept for what?
[12:07] <Josh_> sorush20 do i just type in encode?
[12:07] <rawr> any one  know any good apps for making kde look prdyer?
[12:07] <MasterEvilAce> ?
[12:07] <sorush20> Josh_: yes.
[12:07] <Knifa> xgl!
[12:07] <OOD> yeah
[12:08] <OOD> rawr, just go to kde-look.org and download some good looking stuff :)
[12:08] <OOD> you can get icon themes, window themes, backgrounds etc
[12:08] <LeeJunFan> yeah, xgl isn't really for new users. You may end up b0rking your system good.
[12:08] <arcasa> How do I get rid of the gui login? (it sucks... terminal login is awesomeness.)
[12:08] <OOD> lol
[12:08] <sorush20> LeeJunFan: do you think I should kill it
[12:08] <LeeJunFan> until edgy is out anyway and one can use standard ubuntu packages for xgl.
[12:09] <LeeJunFan> sorush20: if you kill xorg you will loose your GUI.
[12:09] <echo1> So I just installed the fglrx drivers (newest ones, from the ati site, using the ati installer.)  glxinfo|grep direct tells me there is no direct rendering.  What is the problem?
[12:09] <ahmeni> arcasa: update-rc.d kdm remove
[12:09] <LeeJunFan> sorush20: ie. you will be logged out and have to log back in.
[12:09] <zorglu_> q. kate eat my cpu like crazy, like 80% when i dont even use it, any known bug ?
[12:09] <Josh_> sorush20 im having errors encoding wav files
[12:09] <LeeJunFan> sorush20: but you may need to do that to get it under control. That's certainly not a normal thing to happen.
[12:10] <LeeJunFan> zorglu_: no such problem here.
[12:10] <Tokeiito> damn. how to make in kasablanca automaticaly rewrite files?
[12:11] <satempler> how do I restart kde-guidance-powermanager
[12:11] <Tokeiito> this problem is in most of all KDE ftp clients