[04:17] <Jak08> hello
[06:37] <Jak08> question that mabey someone can answer quick, but what is indesign do?
[06:40] <Madpilot> Jak08, Adobe InDesign?
[06:40] <Jak08> yes
[06:40] <Madpilot> it's a DTP app, I think
[06:41] <Jak08> which if you could, what is a DTP app?
[06:41] <Madpilot> DTP = Desktop Publishing
[06:41] <Madpilot> http://www.adobe.com/products/indesign/
[06:41] <Jak08> ahh
[06:41] <Madpilot> Scribus is an open-source app that's similar
[06:41] <Jak08> is it worth anything or are the alternatives better?
[06:42] <Madpilot> worth anything? None of the adobe apps are cheap, and they're generally well made.
[06:42] <Jak08> I mean is it decent
[06:42] <Madpilot> I've never actually used it
[06:43] <Jak08> because I have it, never have used it though, came with my creative suite cs2
[06:43] <Madpilot> Nice. Give it a shot, then.
[06:44] <Jak08> and in comparison how does pages compare with scribus?
[06:44] <Jak08> in iWork
[06:45] <Jak08> My experiance with scribus is limited
[06:46] <Jak08> and I know it is suggested for it's abiltity to save in open source formats
[06:46] <Jak08> and price of course
[06:46] <Madpilot> Pages is the Mac DTP app, right?
[06:46] <Jak08> yes
[06:49] <Madpilot> never used it, either. Sorry.
[06:49] <Jak08> i'm downloading scribus now, but may take a while as i'm on dialup and slow dial up at that, probly take about 7 more hourse and it is 42.9% done
[06:50] <Jak08> I'm just going to find an alternative way of downloading openoffice.org for my mac, as that is about 4 times bigger
[06:50] <Jak08> i do like openoffice though
[06:50] <Jak08> I only use that on my windows box, i actually got rid of word because I don't like it as well
[06:51] <Madpilot> OpenOffice is on the OpenCD - you can also buy copies of OOo cheaply, I think
[06:51] <Jak08> what is the OpenCD?
[06:54] <Madpilot> http://www.theopencd.org/
[06:54] <Madpilot> it's a collection of OpenSource/Free software for Windows users
[06:55] <Madpilot> you can buy one for about $7, it looks like
[06:55] <Jak08> hmm, i think i'll need scribus even if i do use indeisgn or Pages because they only save in their format
[06:56] <Jak08> ahh nice, I already have a lot of open source software for windows, i have scribus, inscape, the gimp, open office
[06:57] <Jak08> firefox, and thunderbird
[06:59] <Jak08> I like dreamwever so I dout i'll switch from it, oh i have blender and gaim that I use too, and 7-zip
[06:59] <Jak08> have you had a chance to use maya?
[07:00] <Madpilot> nope. That's another 3d modelling app, right?
[07:00] <Jak08> I got a cheap student version of that, it's a lot nicer than blender, no offence to blender
[07:01] <Jak08> yeah, pixar, disney, nintendo use it for example, it and 3d studio max are the industry standards for 3d design in games and movies
[07:03] <Jak08> hey would you know, is the new version of ubuntu going to be completly compatible with the hardware of the new  intel macs? because I can't get it to recognise the free space on my hardrive to install, in fact it reads the harddrive pretty funny in general, and I know it isn't the harddrive just acting funny, because vista beta 2 reads the drive fine
[07:04] <Jak08> I have ubuntu on my windows xp machine but, i don't use that hardly at all, now that I have my new mac, but as I said I can't get ubuntu installed
[07:04] <Jak08> altho I do have to admit it does a lot better of reading the new macs than any other distro i used for comparison
[07:06] <Madpilot> no idea - you might want to ask on #ubuntu+1, that's the testing channel for the next version
[07:06] <Jak08> ok, thank you
[07:21] <Jak08> yay 2 minutes left on my inkscape download
[08:53] <Madpilot> the NZ loco team has a nice logo - cool re-use of Ubuntu logo elements
[08:54] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: link?
[08:54] <Madpilot> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NZTeam
[08:54] <Burgundavia> interesting
[08:56] <Madpilot> although it looks more like three islands instead of two, but close enough
[04:21] <Doggie> hey... does anyone know how can i change right click menu..... I want to put something...... a launcher to terminal
[05:35] <nixternal> kwwii_: less busy in here
[05:36] <kwwii_> hehe
[05:36] <kwwii_> no doubt
[05:36] <nixternal> those images, on kde svn are .png files
[05:36] <nixternal> all layers merged
[05:36] <nixternal> do those help at all?
[05:37] <kwwii_> not too much
[05:37] <nixternal> kinda figured that
[05:37] <nixternal> hehe
[05:37] <kwwii_> if we have to make new ones, it will be good to know which pieces the current code is made out of
[05:37] <nixternal> i can list those for you if you would like
[05:37] <kwwii_> well, I think I know
[05:37] <nixternal> or, i can up the ones used so you can look at them
[05:37] <nixternal> ok
[05:38] <kwwii_> it has the left part with the kde, a middle part to tile, and a right part, or?
[05:38] <nixternal> top-left.png, top-middle.png, top-right.png, bottom-left.png, bottom-middle.png, and bottom-right.png are the files used
[05:38] <kwwii_> yeah, and for the about pages we need a middle tile in addition
[05:39] <kwwii_> (irrc)
[05:39] <kwwii_> the *-middle pics are tiled irrc
[05:39] <nixternal> actuqally....top-right-konqueror.png
[05:39] <nixternal> you are correct about the middle
[05:40] <kwwii_> no idea why I type irrc instead of iirc though :p
[05:40] <kwwii_> hrm
[05:40] <nixternal> hehe
[05:41] <kwwii_> I am in the middle of a bigger update to k-d-s...let me get that finished and make sure nobody flips out and then we could take care of it, ok?
[05:41] <nixternal> no problem
[05:41] <nixternal> i will be here most of the day ;)
[05:44] <kwwii_> :-)
[10:11] <Who_> Do people find the wiki to be really slow at the moment?
[10:21] <kwwii_> Who_: I find it to be slow quite a lot
[10:23] <Who_> kwwii_: must be all the artwork :P