[12:14] <lophyte> anyone experienced any problems with gnome-pilot?
[12:14] <ajmitch> ouch
[12:15] <Fujitsu> Yah.
[12:15] <Fujitsu> I don't see how they can be allowed to do that.
[12:21] <plugwash> 5 hours does seem excessive
[12:22] <Fujitsu> Yeah :(
[12:22] <ajmitch> they're probably replacing a transformer or something
[12:23] <Fujitsu> But still.
[12:23] <Fujitsu> Just minutes to go...
[12:23] <Fujitsu> I'
[12:24] <Fujitsu> I'd better poweroff the server...
[12:24] <Fujitsu> Goodbye 70-day uptime :'(
[12:27] <lfittl> ffmpeg has a bug that makes some programs FTBFS fixed in a Debian NMU. anyone against a merge? (only difference debian -> ubuntu is adding an epoch)
[12:28] <slomo> lfittl: i merged ffmpeg yesterday... what's the bugnumber?
[12:28] <lfittl> 386458;
[12:28] <lfittl> argh, 386458
[12:29] <slomo> lfittl: bad timing it seems...
[12:29] <slomo> :(
[12:29] <lfittl> yep :/
[12:29] <lfittl> do you mind if I merge it?
[12:29] <slomo> already started ;)
[12:30] <lfittl> err, you mean you already started, or I already started and should go ahead?
[12:31] <slomo> lfittl: i already started... test build is running :)
[12:31] <lfittl> ah, ok :)
[12:34] <lophyte> hey guys, do you have any suggestions for me to practice?
[12:34] <slomo> lfittl: thanks for noticing
[12:35] <crimsun> to practice what?
[12:35] <xerxas> I want to push a revision on launchpad, what is the url tu push to ? (the branch is at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~telepathy/pymsn/ubuntu)
[12:35] <lophyte> fixing packages and stuff
[12:35] <lfittl> slomo: no problem, noticed it because blender FTBFS without any obvious reason ;)
[12:35] <phanatic> xerxas: sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~telepathy/pymsn/ubuntu
[12:36] <xerxas> phanatic: thanks
[12:37] <terlmann> What would you guys think about a new package managment system(frontend+core) for debian ubuntu 6+1? and how about naming it "Stymie"?
[12:37] <xerxas> phanatic:  I get that :
[12:37] <xerxas> Permission denied (publickey).
[12:37] <xerxas> bzr: ERROR: Connection error: Unable to connect to SSH host bazaar.launchpad.net:None:
[12:37] <xerxas> but my key is regitred
[12:38] <xerxas> I think I pushed a release to that url on the same machine 2 or 3 hours ago
[12:38] <phanatic> xerxas: maybe you don't have write permissions? (are you a member of the telepathy team?)
[12:38] <phanatic> hm, that's interesting
[12:38] <xerxas> yes
[12:38] <crimsun> you're missing a username
[12:38] <crimsun> sftp://username@bazaar.launchpad.net/~telepathy/pymsn/ubuntu
[12:38] <xerxas> k
[12:38] <xerxas> :)
[12:39] <phanatic> xerxas: yeah, you need that, if it's not the same as your local username. sorry
[12:39] <crimsun> (make sure you have python-paramiko installed, too)
[12:39] <phanatic> xerxas: i just don't have such diffuculties :)
[12:39] <xerxas> sounds clear when someone says it
[12:39] <phanatic> crimsun: if he already succeeded to push from the same machine, it should be there :)
[12:40] <xerxas> phanatic: I removed the directory
[12:40] <crimsun> well, yes. If he already pushed it successfully, the command would be in his shell history.
[12:40] <xerxas> i'm new to bzr
[12:40] <xerxas> and as ususally when I use a vcs , I don't understand
[12:40] <xerxas> crimsun: I think it's also in the .bzr directory of the branch
[12:41] <xerxas> don't know why it's not here
[12:41] <xerxas> the launchpad.net web page isn't updated in real time ?
[12:42] <terlmann> What would you guys think about a new package managment system(frontend+core) for debian ubuntu 6+1? and how about naming it "Stymie"?
[12:43] <crimsun> xerxas: probably hasn't caught up yet
[12:43] <crimsun> terlmann: "debian ubuntu 6+1"?
[12:43] <xerxas> ok
[12:44] <phanatic> xerxas: it takes some time to sync
[12:44] <xerxas> but I removed the stuff and did a bzr get
[12:44] <xerxas> and it seems to be ther e
[12:44] <xerxas> it's confusing when learning to use bzr
[12:44] <xerxas> so , to sum up
[12:44] <xerxas> bzr get url
[12:45] <xerxas> the vi stuff
[12:45] <xerxas> then
[12:45] <xerxas> bzr commit, write a comment
[12:45] <xerxas> and bzr push
[12:45] <xerxas> right ?
[12:45] <crimsun> generally, although I pull again before I attempt to push
[12:45] <terlmann> crimsun? edgy eft?
[12:46] <crimsun> terlmann: meaning a new PM system for 6.10?
[12:46] <ajmitch> terlmann: you'd need to give very good reasons to change what we have
[12:47] <crimsun> and metrics, moreover
[12:50] <terlmann> I have reasons.
[12:50] <xerxas> good
[12:50] <xerxas> :)
[12:51] <terlmann> Apt & it's Gui frontend,Synaptic, were GREEEAATT for their time,but no more.with the size of files & the number of downloads worldwide,a new system needs to be used.something that can pause& resume updating.
[12:51] <terlmann> something that more efficiently handles the need for servers to benearby,decreasing download times.something that might be called Stymie .
[12:51] <xerxas> then it's just a feature of apt
[12:51] <xerxas> isn't it ?
[12:51] <terlmann> no
[12:51] <ajmitch> terlmann: you don't need to paste the same in both channels
[12:52] <plugwash> btw you can ctrl-c apt during download, and packages already downloaded will be kept
[12:52] <crimsun> naming is important, yes, but do you provide code that actually does something smartpm doesn't already do?
[12:52] <terlmann> a replacment,more secure,more reliable for people with slower connections.
[12:53] <crimsun> so what makes "Stymie" more effective than smartpm?
[12:53] <terlmann> ajmitch-you dont need to read it twice.but some who arent here will need to read it.
[12:53] <crimsun> actually, what's the LP url you mention?
[12:53] <Plug> I'm only here and only read it once
[12:53] <Plug> I feel so unloved
[12:54] <ajmitch> poor Plug needs a hug
[12:54] <Plug> (starting conversations in two channels is a bad idea; tell people in one to join the other for the discussion, else it forks)
[12:54] <xerxas> :)
[12:54] <Plug> I hear hobbsee hugs are being offered by CC members
[12:54] <ajmitch> that's worrying
[12:54] <terlmann> crimsun: no code.just a set of goals and a name. https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/stymie .and i am not a web master,so the wiki points to google.someone needs to make one.lets get on this thing together.
[12:55] <crimsun> dude, 6.10?! as a milestone?
[12:55] <terlmann> yep
[12:56] <crimsun> that's less than two months away
[12:56] <ajmitch> beta freeze starts this week
[12:56] <crimsun> (and what does firewall have to do with stymie?)
[12:56] <slomo> and beta freeze is tomorrow so impossible
[12:56] <terlmann> now.here. we know what is needed and,we all have felt apt-get's limits,even though it is the best of all.
[12:57] <terlmann> so lets take the code and reshape it.
[12:57] <crimsun> not going to happen for 6.10. Period.
[12:57] <slomo> terlmann: so what are the advantages over smart? and even the apt maintainers don't want to touch the existing apt code anymore so a rewrite might be better ;)
[01:06] <xerxas> terlmann: what is your problem with apt ?
[01:06] <xerxas> concretly , what is the weakness of apt to you ?
[01:07] <xerxas> about slowlinks ? what is the relationship with firewall ?
[01:08] <dem> hey peoples, could some one get my application into edgy's universe? http://drapes.mindtouchsoftware.com/ pretty please
[01:08] <terlmann> all-It just a name.
[01:09] <crimsun> dem: if you want it in Edgy, please do the legwork
[01:10] <terlmann> I cant.
[01:10] <crimsun> this is not a channel where people come to beg for things to be done for them
[01:10] <terlmann> yea.you want your name on it?
[01:10] <dem> crimsun: it's got the debian directory and everything in source tarball
[01:10] <crimsun> dem: then please see the section in this channel's topic regarding REVU
[01:11] <xerxas> dem:  you have the debian directory, for dapper ?
[01:11] <dem> xerxas: yeah, it's setup for dapper right now
[01:12] <xerxas> does your package runs on edgy, do you have a pbuilder ? (you maye want me to try build a package for you ?)
[01:12] <dem> since in edgy the mono stuff got split into like 20 or so packages..
[01:12] <xerxas> ahh
[01:12] <xerxas> ok
[01:12] <xerxas> won't help then :)
[01:12] <dem> xerxas: i built the dapper packages using pbuilder
[01:12] <slomo> dem: 65 or something to be exact ;)
[01:12] <terlmann> xerxas: terlmann: what is your problem with apt ?
[01:12] <terlmann> the problem is..
[01:12] <ajmitch> slomo: not that many, really
[01:12] <dem> slomo: yeah something crazy
[01:12] <terlmann> with the size of files & the number of downloads worldwide,a new system needs to be used.something that can pause& resume updating.
[01:12] <terlmann> something that more efficiently handles the need for servers to be nearby,decreasing download times
[01:13] <ajmitch> dem: you package will have to be built for edgy for us to consider it
[01:13] <ajmitch> hi Burgundavia
[01:13] <xerxas> terlmann: you already told that
[01:13] <slomo> ajmitch: apt-cache showsrc mono | grep ^Binary | cut -d: -f2 | sed 's;,;\n;g' | wc -l   => 66
[01:13] <ajmitch> slomo: get splitting!
[01:13] <dem> well i can track down the dependencies for edgy and all, assuming I do that what else do I need?
[01:14] <Burgundavia> hey ajmitch
[01:14] <ajmitch> dem: make a source package for edgy, put it on revu
[01:14] <ajmitch> make sure it follows the debian CLI policy
[01:15] <dem> debian has a cli policy?
[01:15] <xerxas> is there an update systems that allows binary diff only to be transfered ?
[01:15] <ajmitch> dem: yes
[01:15] <ajmitch> http://pkg-mono.alioth.debian.org/cli-policy/
[01:19] <xerxas> debian does this (sort of terlmann idea) but only for apt-get update : http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/439
[01:19] <xerxas> I think suse does that for the upgrade itself
[03:11] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:11] <ajmitch> hi
[03:11] <chillywilly> hi
[03:12] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch, chillywilly
[03:12] <LaserJock> hi!
[03:12] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[03:22] <LaserJock> zul: stupid question, what is the kernel written in?
[03:22] <bddebian> Mostly C and some assembler
[03:22] <ajmitch> LaserJock: C, some assembly
[03:22] <LaserJock> k, that's what I tough
[03:22] <LaserJock> thought
[03:22] <zul> LaserJock: cobol ;)
[03:22] <bddebian> haha
[03:22] <LaserJock> hah
[03:23] <LaserJock> well, it'd be Fortran for me ;-)
[03:23] <bddebian> I liked Fortran
[03:23] <bddebian> Better than freakin' COBOL
[03:23] <LaserJock> Fortran was my first real programming experience
[03:24] <LaserJock> unfortunately that means OO programing is a little tough to get my mind around sometimes
[03:24] <bddebian> Heh, I heard that :-)
[03:24] <LaserJock> now I just do stuff in Python
[03:25] <LaserJock> but still procedurally
[03:25] <LaserJock> my poor lab mate is learning how to program for the first time.. with Fortran
[03:25] <bddebian> Heh
[03:26] <LaserJock> my boss know Fortran the best
[03:26] <LaserJock> then perl and C
[03:26] <LaserJock> but he doesn't really teach it to us
[03:26] <LaserJock> he just gives us some program from his grad school days
[03:26] <LaserJock> and says "Have at it"
[03:27] <bddebian> Heh
[03:27] <LaserJock> and then he doesn't want us wasting time taking programing classes
[03:27] <LaserJock> heh
[03:28] <zul> i did fortran in college, pretty useless for me now a days
[03:28] <crimsun> well, your boss isn't entirely silly in that oapproach
[03:29] <Hobbsee> hey LaserJock
[03:29] <crimsun> more often than not, programming classes teach syntax, which is the "wrong" way to understand languages
[03:30] <bddebian> Yeah
[03:30] <bddebian> Which is why I can't do shit. :-(  I know the syntax but nothing else :'-(
[03:30] <crimsun> besides, you're a grad student; you're intelligent enough to work out the syntax yourself. Where he's going "wrong" is expecting you to accomplish all that in realtime. Most people have a difficult time doing that.
[03:32] <LaserJock> hi Hobbsee
[03:32] <LaserJock> zul: I'm the only one in my group that uses anything *but* Fortran
[03:33] <zul> LaserJock: heh..you are lucky then
[03:33] <bddebian> LaserJock: Write everything in assembly, that'll learn ya :-)
[03:34] <LaserJock> well, I keep talking about Python
[03:34] <LaserJock> but my boss is too set in his ways, he doesn't have any reason to learn another language
[03:35] <LaserJock> and I can't blame him
[03:35] <LaserJock> but it does irritate me a little when I seem him preventing new grad students from using Python :/
[03:35] <crimsun> that's not his fault, though
[03:36] <crimsun> given enough motivation, anyone can be made to do learn Python
[03:36] <crimsun> extra verb
[03:36] <LaserJock> yeah, I know
[03:36] <LaserJock> I just see people struggling
[03:37] <LaserJock> and I can't do a whole lot about it
[03:38] <crimsun> well, actually, you can if everyone's willing. Set up a different type of "lunch"
[03:40] <LaserJock> I'm working with our sysadmin, who was in here last night, on a "Computing for Chemists" informal course
[03:46] <ajmitch> so, what should our LoCoteam do? fix bugs by release? :)
[03:47] <bddebian> Yes, all of them :-)
[03:48] <ajmitch> ththose few that you may not get to
[03:48] <crimsun> you've appointed bddebian to head your locoteam? nice!
[03:48] <ajmitch> actually Plug is the willing victim
[03:48] <Plug> yarr
[03:48] <bddebian> I'm out lately :'-(
[03:48] <Plug> I be walked on the plank
[03:48] <bddebian> Not that I can do squat anyway
[03:49] <Plug> our loco team has 2.5 people who could fix package bugs
[03:49] <ajmitch> that's enough
[03:49] <ajmitch> if we can interest mattb
[03:49] <Plug> I had a beer with him on Monday
[03:49] <Plug> he's unhappy at Debian atm :)
[03:50] <ajmitch> what a surprise
[03:50] <ajmitch> he's always welcome to work on ubuntu
[04:37] <LaserJock> hi minghua
[04:37] <minghua> hi LaserJock
[04:38] <minghua> LaserJock: how is the work on Edgy going?
[04:38] <minghua> sorry I didn't have time to help
[04:38] <LaserJock> oh well, it's going
[04:38] <ajmitch> the time is going far too quickly :)
[04:39] <minghua> exactly, I haven't even found time to try dapper release yet, and now edgy is going to be ready soon
[04:43] <bddebian> heh
[04:50] <Toadstool> heya everybody
[04:50] <bddebian> Hi Toadstool
[04:51] <Toadstool> hi bddebian
[04:51] <zakame> hi all! =)
[04:51] <Toadstool> hey zakame
[04:52] <rmjb> hello
[04:52] <zakame> is flashplugin-nonfree borked today?
[04:52] <bddebian> Heya zakame
[04:52] <zakame> yo Toadstool rmjb bddebian
[04:52] <rmjb> I got an update from backports for flash... got problems downloading and installing the package
[04:55] <zakame> hmm
[04:56] <zakame> borkage happens at the invocation of update-rc.d
[04:57] <zakame> it uses `multiuser', which isn't defined even in the manpage :/
[04:57] <Toadstool> hmm? why does flashplugin-nonfree use update-rc.d?
[04:58] <zakame> uhh, at postinst, upgrade?
[05:01] <Fujitsu> Is anybody working on the mplayer breakage?
[05:07] <zakame> Fujitsu: what about it? :)
[05:07] <Fujitsu> It is broken at this time.
[05:07] <Fujitsu> And would ideally be fixed :P
[05:08] <Toadstool> Fujitsu: what do you mean by "broken"? :)
[05:08] <Fujitsu> It's well known, I believe:
[05:09] <Fujitsu> mplayer: symbol lookup error: mplayer: undefined symbol: a52_resample
[05:09] <zakame> bug 61222
[05:09] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61222 in mplayer "mplayer doesn't start (linking error) a52_resample" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61222
[05:09] <Fujitsu> Yeah, that one :)
[05:10] <zakame> slomo seems to be hot on the trails of that one
[05:10] <Toadstool> it's well known by those who actually have their edgy box less than 1000kms away :p
[05:10] <Fujitsu> Hahah. Silly old Dapper.
[05:12] <Toadstool> the only linux box available is my sarge server in Paris, with some chroots i set up 4 days ago :/
[05:13] <rmjb> hi again
[05:13] <Toadstool> hey :)
[05:13] <rmjb> so I'm running through the Ubuntu Packaging Guide
[05:13] <rmjb> and I just finished this page: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-scratch.html
[05:14] <Toadstool> yep?
[05:14] <rmjb> how important is it for me to understand thoroughly what's on that page?
[05:14] <rmjb> because the rules file is a little confusing
[05:15] <LaserJock> mhm
[05:15] <Toadstool> it's a basic one...
[05:15] <Toadstool> er..
[05:15] <Toadstool> forget what I said
[05:16] <LaserJock> rmjb: don't worry too much about it
[05:16] <rmjb> it's confusing to me cause I'm new to reading makefiles and the like
[05:16] <LaserJock> rmjb: just look for the general idea
[05:16] <rmjb> ok cool
[05:16] <LaserJock> any particular thing that's confusing you?
[05:18] <rmjb> umm, the debian/tmp/DEBIAN and other directories, is that the /tmp on the building system or does the building system create a tmp directory under the debian directory
[05:18] <minghua> rmjb: under the debian/ dir
[05:18] <rmjb> the syntax of this line: $(MAKE) INSTALL_PROGRAM="$(INSTALL_PROGRAM)" prefix=$$(pwd)/debian/tmp/usr install
[05:18] <rmjb> and things like that
[05:18] <bddebian> The build system creates debian/tmp
[05:19] <bddebian> Or in some cases debian/<package_name>/foo depending on the build system
[05:19] <rmjb> okay, cool... where did the usr/info, usr/man and usr/share directories come from?
[05:20] <bddebian> rmjb: It again can depend on the build system.  Look to see if there are .dir and/or .install files
[05:22] <rmjb> okay, that still confuses me a little. In this line: cd debian/tmp && mv usr/info usr/man usr/share
[05:22] <minghua> Hmm, now that rmjb mentions it, I don't think I like the example debian/rules that much
[05:22] <rmjb> it's going into the debian/tmp dir
[05:22] <rmjb> then where are those usr directories moving from/to?
[05:22] <minghua> rmjb: that means move debian/tmp/usr/man and debian/tmp/usr/info into debian/tmp/usr/share/
[05:23] <minghua> rmjb: so that they become debian/tmp/usr/share/man and debian/tmp/usr/share/info
[05:23] <LaserJock> minghua: well, it was there ;-)
[05:23] <minghua> LaserJock: good.  I was just going to ask you
[05:24] <rmjb> ohh... okay, I forgot about the fact that mv could have more that 2 args...
[05:24] <minghua> LaserJock: doesn't hello support ./configure --infodir= --mandir= ?
[05:25] <rmjb> okay then only one last thing confuses me, and I guess it's because I don't know much about the make command
[05:25] <rmjb> in $(MAKE) INSTALL_PROGRAM="$(INSTALL_PROGRAM)" prefix=$$(pwd)/debian/tmp/usr install
[05:25] <LaserJock> minghua: have no idea, that is the Debian package
[05:25] <rmjb> is it that make takes a command line arg in the format "INSTALL_PROGRAM=install" ?
[05:26] <minghua> LaserJock: so you copied and pasted directly from hello source package?  I see.
[05:26] <LaserJock> minghua: yeah, that is the source package
[05:26] <rmjb> the guide says it's right out of the source package
[05:27] <minghua> yeah, sorry I commented without reading the whole page (but it's a long page...)
[05:27] <LaserJock> hehe
[05:28] <rmjb> yeah, this is day 2 of reading that one page
[05:28] <LaserJock> well, hopefully I can figure out a way to do it better
[05:29] <rmjb> it's good, maybe a statement that warns new people that if they don't understand the rules file fully yet they should still continue, it'll become clearer
[05:31] <LaserJock> the problem is that it is structured from the most complex to the least complex scratch -> debhelper -> cdbs
[05:31] <LaserJock> so if you can get over the hump it's downhill ;-)
[05:31] <rmjb> right... good thing I asked then
[05:42] <zakame> read up on debian-dir too :)
[05:42] <rmjb> debian-dir?
[05:42] <ajmitch> zakame: if you want to get into esoteric build systems..
[05:43] <zakame> ajmitch: yeah :P
[05:43] <Toadstool> who said yada? :p
[05:43] <ajmitch> Toadstool: watch your language
[05:44] <Toadstool> hehe
[05:49] <rmjb> okay guys, thanks for the help, catch you all later
[05:54] <Hobbsee> Toadstool: not that piece of crap..please
[05:54] <Hobbsee> Toadstool: dont be filthy :P
[05:54] <ajmitch> Toadstool: you have summoned Hobbsee...
[05:54] <ajmitch> run now
[05:55] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: i've just had a thought - if we filed a removal request for it, do you think they'd do it?
[05:55] <ajmitch> no
[05:56] <Hobbsee> pity...
[05:56] <ajmitch> :0:> cat /var/lib/apt/lists/*Sources |grep-dctrl -FBuild-Depends yada |grep Package: |wc -l
[05:57] <ajmitch> 68
[05:57] <ajmitch> too much evil
[05:57] <Toadstool> haha
[05:58] <Toadstool> once I tried to fix a package using yada... I gave up :p
[05:58] <LaserJock> hmm, I've never run across it
[05:58] <ajmitch> some people actually like it
[06:06] <LaserJock> hmm, what did dholbach do to my mail box? :/
[06:11] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: awww...
[06:15] <Fujitsu> Thanks crimsun :)_
[06:16] <crimsun> np
[06:22] <LaserJock> and now crimsun is filling my mailbox
[06:22] <LaserJock> :-)
[06:22] <crimsun> trying to keep the Internet tubes clear
[06:23] <LaserJock> yeah, cause when the tubes get filled then you can't get your internets
[06:23] <Fujitsu> I don't like it with u-u-s catches up with my list of bugs :(
[06:24] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: s/u-u-s/crimsun/
[06:24] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, true :P
[06:24] <crimsun> hey now, Hobbsee does some, too.
[06:24] <Fujitsu> crimsun, not as much as you :)
[06:25] <crimsun> I'm just trying to keep my inbox flood manageable :p
[06:25] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:25] <Hobbsee> yeah, crimsun does most of htem
[06:35] <LaserJock> darn, how to I replace ^M's with newlines in vim?
[06:35] <fbond> I just use dos2unix
[06:35] <crimsun> :%s/[ctrl+v] [ctrl+m] //g
[06:35] <crimsun> where you physically type ctrl+v followed by ctrl+m
[06:37] <LaserJock> hmm, that replaces them with nothing
[06:37] <LaserJock> but they are supposed to be newlines
[06:39] <matid> LaserJock: Try :%s/[ctrl+v] [ctrl+m] /\n/g
[06:40] <LaserJock> hmm, what am I missing here
[06:41] <Fujitsu> Darnit... debmirror is borked on my Edgy machine... Can't find SHA1.pm. Can anybody confirm?
[06:42] <crimsun> LaserJock: http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:zg09exXagvcJ:www.vim.org/tips/tip.php%3Ftip_id%3D26+replace+%5EM+with+newline&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=6
[06:45] <LaserJock> hmm, weird
[06:45] <crimsun> uh
[06:45] <crimsun> who requested the backport of flashplugin-nonfree?
[06:46] <crimsun> it's obviously going to fail due to dh_installinit being called with -umultiuser, which doesn't exist in dapper
[06:46] <Fujitsu> Fantastic!
[06:46] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61354 in flashplugin-nonfree "Failing flashplugin update" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61354
[06:47] <Fujitsu> That was noted in here a while ago.
[06:47] <Fujitsu> Jon Dong approved... Wen-Yen Chuang requested...
[06:48] <Fujitsu> Bug #61216 is the guilty party.
[06:48] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61216 in dapper-backports "[backport]  flashplugin-nonfree 7.0.68" [High,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61216
[06:48] <minghua> LaserJock: is your problem solved?  it sounds you have a mac end-of-line file
[06:49] <Fujitsu> (pre-OS X)
[06:51] <LaserJock> well, but I was editing in OS X
[06:51] <minghua> LaserJock: that's not important, I am just saying that if you haven't solved it, I may have a better solution
[06:51] <LaserJock> anyway, dos2unix fixed it :/
[06:52] <minghua> never mind then
[06:52] <LaserJock> minghua: what were you going to suggest?
[06:53] <minghua> LaserJock: in vim, :set fileformats=mac ; :e file ; :set fileformat=unix ; :w
[06:53] <minghua> this assumes the end-of-line is consistent, though
[06:54] <minghua> but as dos2unix can deal with it, why not, it's even simpler
[06:54] <LaserJock> yeah
[06:54] <LaserJock> well, I'll have to look at my OS X editor to see why it did that
[06:55] <minghua> your probably has an pre-OSX editor :-)
[06:55] <LaserJock> it's a very new one
[06:55] <LaserJock> smultron I think is the name
[06:55] <LaserJock> or maybe it isn't so new
[06:56] <minghua> the one with a strawberry icon?
[06:57] <LaserJock> yeah
[06:57] <minghua> that's definitely an OSX-only app
[06:57] <minghua> no idea why it uses old mac end-of-line style then
[06:57] <LaserJock> maybe it was a setting, I'll have to look at it tomorrow
[06:58] <LaserJock> I guess I just just realize that vims/emacs really do rock ;-)
[06:58] <LaserJock> s/just just/should just/
[08:51] <dholbach> good morning
[08:51] <ajmitch> morning daniel
[08:52] <dholbach> hey Andrew
[08:52] <Burgundavia> oh joy: Mozilla license insanity: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622
[08:52] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 354622 in firefox "Using Firefox as the app name without official branding is still" [Serious,Open] 
[08:53] <Burgundavia> can you imagine if every project tried to police their trademark like that
[08:54] <ajmitch> what a mess
[08:55] <Burgundavia> Mozilla corp needs to create a Linux distro generic clearance
[08:55] <Burgundavia> plus, I hate programs that try and push their branding on me
[08:56] <ajmitch> I'm glad that very few ubuntu-specific programs even mention ubuntu
[08:56] <Burgundavia> we have been pretty agressive about rooting it out
[08:56] <ajmitch> it makes it much easier to create derivatives when you don't have to patch half the world
[08:57] <Burgundavia> basically Mozilla has been thinking and acting in a very agressive manner about it, a very corporate manner
[08:57] <Burgundavia> not exactly winning them any friends
[08:58] <zakame> indeed
[08:58] <ajmitch> imagine if ubuntu announced that they had to rename firefox due to trademark issues
[08:58] <ajmitch> ie, making it rather public
[08:59] <Burgundavia> ubuntu, debian, etc. should make a joint announcement
[08:59] <Burgundavia> lay it at Mozilla's door
[08:59] <ajmitch> yep
[08:59] <Burgundavia> threaten to not ship it
[09:00] <Burgundavia> but Linux has alwasy been small fry for Moz Corp and they act like it
[09:00] <Burgundavia> webkit+epiphany
[09:01] <ajmitch> with firefox's popularity, they've felt that they can throw their weight around far too much
[09:01] <zakame> opera?
[09:01] <Burgundavia> non-free
[09:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> i like ephiphany, apart from 1 major anoyance, otherwise, its ++ good
[09:03] <Burgundavia> we still have the issue that Moz essentially craps on the users of just gecko
[09:04] <Mithrandir> epiphany has lots of weird defaults and small UI bugs, like not focusing the address bar when you make a new tab.
[09:04] <Burgundavia> Mithrandir: most of those bugs are gecko integration issues
[09:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> Burgundavia, what other backends does epiphany use?
[09:05] <Burgundavia> none
[09:05] <Mithrandir> Burgundavia: firefox gets it right.
[09:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh, ok.
[09:08] <Burgundavia> Mithrandir: ephy is seriously starved for resources and fights with a lot of gecko bugs
[09:09] <Mithrandir> Burgundavia: to me as a user, that's irrelevant; I just want a web browser.
[09:09] <Burgundavia> yep
[09:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> Mithrandir, perhaps you might need to open your mind a bit :|
[09:10] <Mithrandir> Kamping_Kaiser: what do you mean?
[09:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> Mithrandir, when my cars low on petrol it stops working properly. when my softwares short on developers, it stops working properly
[09:11] <Mithrandir> Kamping_Kaiser: yes, and?  I don't care much about epiphany.
[09:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> then dont use it... or have we just come full circle....?
[09:12] <Mithrandir> I use opera or firefox, so I don't. :-)
[09:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[09:14] <Burgundavia> Kamping_Kaiser: already filed
[09:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> Burgundavia, ah, goodoh
[09:15] <Burgundavia> it is because xchat is a GTK app, not a GNOME one
[09:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> i asumed so
[09:24] <dholbach> do we have a document where the new sponsoring process is explained?
[09:32] <dholbach> Ok, added it to MOTU/FAW
[09:32] <dholbach> MOTU/FAQ
[10:04] <yusufm>  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY qwerty
[10:53] <AnAnt> is the splash screen working in Edgy ?
[11:04] <\sh> moins
[11:49] <Q-FUNK> re
[11:50] <Q-FUNK> one piece of info I haven't yet found:  how to close launchpad bugs in the changelog.
[11:50] <Q-FUNK> would anybody have a URL to suggest?
[11:50] <Q-FUNK> I already know how to close bugs at debian.
[11:50] <ajmitch> Q-FUNK: it's not automatic
[11:50] <ajmitch> but (Closes: Ubuntu #12345) would be appreciated
[11:50] <Q-FUNK> I'm just wondering if there's a distinct way to mark launchpad bugs in the changelog to have them closed upon upload.
[11:50] <ajmitch> not yet
[11:51] <Q-FUNK> ok
[11:51] <Q-FUNK> that answers my question :)
[11:51] <ajmitch> and you can't do closes: malone #12345 because there can be multiple bug tasks per bug :)
[11:51] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 12345 in isdnutils "isdn does not work, fritz avm (pnp?)" [Medium,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/12345
[11:52] <ajmitch> automatic closing is on the launchpad developers' todo lists
[11:52] <Q-FUNK> would be nice to have ubuntu bugs marked in a way that won't make the debian bts auto-close, but work on malone.
[11:52] <Q-FUNK> hm.
[11:53] <Q-FUNK> what if the debian bts was modified so that any string between Closes: and the # would be interpreted as a derivate distribution name and thus skipped by debian?
[11:54] <ajmitch> it'd be nice, currently it should already be skipped according to the regex used
[11:54] <Q-FUNK> thne we could have (Closes: Ubuntu #foobar) which the debian bts would skip, while malone would catch it upon package synchronisation.
[11:55] <ajmitch>   /closes:\s*(?:bug)?\#\s*\d+(?:,\s*(?:bug)?\#\s*\d+)*/ig
[11:55] <Q-FUNK> ah.  good to know.
[11:55] <ajmitch> that's what the developer's reference states is used
[11:55] <Q-FUNK> ok
[11:56] <Q-FUNK>   * Changed the backend permissions to 6700 for Ubuntu compatibility.
[11:56] <Q-FUNK>     (Launchpad #36093, #42147)
[11:56] <Q-FUNK> I used this
[11:57] <ajmitch> right
[11:57] <ajmitch> I'd prefer to use Ubuntu: #36093
[11:58] <ajmitch> since launchpad is intended for use for multiple distros
[11:58] <Q-FUNK> good point
[11:59] <ajmitch> Mithrandir: yes, it should
[12:00] <ajmitch> one day we'll probably have some policy on this
[12:06] <Q-FUNK> ajmitch: that's what I was suggesting.  it would probably be a good idea to create this policy in cooperation with debian, to ensure that there is a consistant way of marking bugs between debian and derivatives.
[12:35] <xerxas> People cannot change the status ?
[12:35] <xerxas> a bug status
[12:35] <xerxas> I mean
[12:35] <dholbach> xerxas: click on the yellow bar
[12:35] <dholbach> (in the middle of the page, where the source package name is)
[12:36] <xerxas> which yellow bar ?
[12:36] <dholbach> click on the source package name in the middle of the page
[12:36] <xerxas> ok
[12:36] <xerxas> the bar isn't yellow, it's orange
[12:36] <xerxas> :)
[12:37] <dholbach> ...
[12:37] <xerxas> thanks dholbach
[12:37] <xerxas> does salmon exist as a color in english ?
[12:37] <Q-FUNK> xerxas: click on the "foobar (Ubuntu)"  name
[12:37] <dholbach> sure
[12:37] <Hobbsee> xerxas: yes
[12:37] <Hobbsee> xerxas: kind of red
[12:37] <dholbach> next time I'll say "whatever is closest to yellow"
[12:37] <dholbach> hope that helps ;)
[12:37] <xerxas> :)
[12:37] <xerxas> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/mpd/+bug/2009
[12:37] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 2009 in mpd "Need some modification" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed] 
[12:37] <xerxas> can I reject this one ?
[12:40] <coyctecm> xerxas: I think yes you can, but it's just my opinion
[12:40] <xerxas> it's also my opinion
[12:54] <Adri2000> how long packages stay in the queue (https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+queue) before being built and uploaded in archive ?
[12:57] <Hobbsee> Adri2000: forever
[01:01] <imbrandon> Adri2000: depends, weeks , days , hours hehe
[01:01] <imbrandon> basicly untill an archive admin has time to look over the package and approve it
[01:05] <Adri2000> ok
[02:03] <iapx8088> hi all
[02:38] <Fujitsu> :O
[02:38] <Fujitsu> How?
[02:39] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: seen the /topic?  :P
[02:39] <Fujitsu> The second bit?
[02:40] <Hobbsee> the "have you reviewed a package on REVU yet today" bit
[02:40] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:40] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, that's what I meant :)
[02:40] <Fujitsu> Bye!
[02:40] <Hobbsee> bye!
[02:42] <zul> Hobbsee: any progress on the clamav stuff?
[02:42] <Hobbsee> zul: havent looked
[02:42] <zul> Hobbsee: ok..just at work will try to look at it when i get home
[02:42] <Hobbsee> okay
[02:44] <Q-FUNK> /querry pitti
[02:44] <Q-FUNK> argh
[02:46] <lophyte> dholbach: are you around?
[03:02] <dholbach> lophyte: yes
[03:05] <lophyte> dholbach: for simple rebuilds, like the one I emailed to you, should I even bother posting them to REVU, or should I just go through the sponsorship process you referred to?
[03:06] <dholbach> I think the sponsorship process is quicker
[03:06] <lophyte> alright
[03:07] <lophyte> thanks :)
[03:14] <geser> lophyte: shouldn't you upload be correctly versioned 0.5-3build1 instead of 0.5-4build1?
[03:14] <dholbach> geser: that was my mistake
[03:15] <lophyte> yeah, it should.. I put the wrong version in :\
[03:15] <dholbach> and I corrected it the wrong way ;)
[03:15] <dholbach> we'll survive :)
[03:49] <chillywilly> trying to make a mirror of the amd64 arch and it keeps complaining about a few Packages and Release files failing the md5sum check
[03:52] <iapx8088> mmh
[03:53] <iapx8088>  a little personal outcry, a little OT. The goddamn new kernel interface is kicking the sh?t out of me
[03:53] <iapx8088> it's pi??ing me off
[03:54] <Q-FUNK> :(
[04:14] <Adri2000> i'm a package waiting on revu.tauware.de, i need review, my id is 3183, thank you
[04:14] <Adri2000> :p
[04:21] <phanatic> good afternoon
[04:28] <iapx8088> Adri2000,  what's the package
[04:29] <Adri2000> iapx8088: id 3183 -> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3183
[04:29] <iapx8088> fine
[04:33] <iapx8088> Adri2000, I'm on dapper, but it complains about debhelper too old. I believe I cannot review it
[04:34] <Adri2000> iapx8088: yeah, dapper has only 5.0.7ubuntu13
[04:34] <Adri2000> edgy has 5.0.37.3ubuntu1
[04:35] <iapx8088> I wonder if that dependency it's strictly necessary, I mean the version.
[04:35] <Gloubiboulga> yes, it is
[04:35] <Gloubiboulga> for the new python policy
[04:35] <iapx8088> I se
[04:36] <Adri2000> hi Gloubiboulga :)
[04:36] <Gloubiboulga> salut Adri2000 ;)
[04:36] <iapx8088> I believe I cannot review it
[04:37] <iapx8088> I could upgrade to edgy but I'm in the middle of a etch upgrade and the new kernel is driving me mad
[04:38] <Adri2000> iapx8088: if you want to check if it compiles fine, you can use an edgy pbuilder
[04:38] <Gloubiboulga> Adri2000, I'm having a look
[04:39] <iapx8088> Adri2000, I suppose it's in revu-tools also in dapper yeah?
[04:41] <Adri2000> iapx8088: what? pbuilder?
[04:41] <Adri2000> Gloubiboulga: cool :)
[04:41] <iapx8088> Adri2000, http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com/msg00682.html i'm getting confused :D
[04:42] <Adri2000> pbuilder is another package
[04:42] <Adri2000> and revu-* use it
[04:43] <iapx8088> Adri2000,  understand, I'm creating a pbuilder create edgy
[04:43] <iapx8088> :D
[04:45] <iapx8088> it's taking a lot of space :o
[04:46] <Adri2000> it's an ubuntu base system (without X/Gnome/... i think) :)
[04:48] <iapx8088> omg
[06:40] <bddebian> Heya gang
[06:45] <LaserJock> hmm
[06:45] <LaserJock> how does UVF affect native packages?
[06:45] <LaserJock> no matter what you do you still have to upload the whole thing
[06:46] <LaserJock> is that considered a new upstream version?
[06:46] <bddebian> Only if the abi changes afaik
[06:46] <LaserJock> :-)
[06:46] <LaserJock> what if I have no abi ;-)
[06:47] <bddebian> So going from 1.0-1 to 1.1-1 would be a UVF but going from 1.0-1 to 1.0-2 would not be
[06:47] <bddebian> But what the hell do I know? :-)
[06:47] <azeem> those are not native package versions
[06:47] <bddebian> Oh, good point
[06:47] <LaserJock> well, they could be but they aren't nice ones
[06:47] <azeem> heh :)
[06:48] <LaserJock> I had this talk the other day
[06:48] <LaserJock> as Ubuntu uses that kind of versioning for a few packages
[06:48] <LaserJock> which is kinda confusing, IMO
[06:54] <LaserJock> I'm still a little uncertain about how I should go about versioning
[06:54] <LaserJock> but I guess I'll stick to using .X once UVF hits
[07:28] <LaserJock> darn, can we get a mailing list or something for ubuntu-universe-sponsors ?
[07:28] <zul> ask jono
[07:29] <LaserJock> I'm getting spammed by crimsun too much ;-)
[07:29] <zul> heh blacklist him ;)
[07:29] <LaserJock> never
[07:29] <LaserJock> :-)
[07:30] <LaserJock> I can't find an easy way to filter it in gmail
[07:30] <LaserJock> perhaps the [Bug in the subject
[07:31] <LaserJock> but then I'll get all LP bugs in there
[07:31] <zul> couldnt you use a regular email client?
[07:31] <LaserJock> yuck
[07:32] <LaserJock> if I ever found one I liked :-)
[07:32] <zul> i hear outlook is pretty good
[07:32] <LaserJock> and could use in a browser
[07:32] <LaserJock> :-)
[07:33] <fbond> I filter my mail with procmail and read it with mutt; hard to beat that for flexibility.
[07:33] <LaserJock> fbond: well, it was ok, but gmail was more portable
[07:33] <fbond> can't get more portable than connecting to your machine at home via SSH :)
[07:34] <LaserJock> except it isn't on
[07:34] <fbond> there's your problem
[07:34] <LaserJock> I could forward my gmail the my school mail
[07:34] <LaserJock> and then use IMAP
[07:35] <fbond> yech, then when you graduate you'll have to figure it all out all over again
[07:35] <LaserJock> fbond: sure, the reason I have gmail is it's the only consistent thing I have right now :-)
[07:36] <fbond> yeah, tumultuous years, those college years
[07:36] <LaserJock> heh, well this is my 9th year so ..
[07:37] <LaserJock> it's not like it's that fluctuating
[07:37] <fbond> :)
[07:37] <LaserJock> I have almost 1GB stored on my school account
[07:38] <fbond> geez.  they better buy you your own server soon.
[07:38] <LaserJock> well, the don't limit the size
[07:38] <LaserJock> so I use it for backup
[07:38] <LaserJock> and Ubuntu stuff
[07:38] <fbond> I really made an effort to consolidate much of my data-access to shell programs over the last few years
[07:38] <LaserJock> etc.
[07:39] <fbond> I use mutt for email
[07:39] <fbond> naim for IM
[07:39] <LaserJock> I'm *trying* to get into mutt
[07:39] <LaserJock> but most of the time I end up in thunderbird
[07:39] <fbond> It's pretty powerful once you have your config worked out and you know your way around it
[07:39] <fbond> mutt, that is
[07:40] <LaserJock> I don't know how to deal with attachments and getting around my email quickly
[07:40] <fbond> yeah ... I find things usually work out ok, unless people send you HTML emails with image attachments ... :)
[07:41] <fbond> you have to save the images, save the HTML, and view it in a browser if you want things to work out properly
[07:41] <LaserJock> mhm, and I get a fair amount of those
[07:41] <LaserJock> plus I use mutt from the server
[07:41] <LaserJock> so I have to transfer everything to my box
[07:42] <LaserJock> overall I think email sucks
[07:42] <LaserJock> I hate mailing lists
[07:42] <LaserJock> and dread having to send emails
[07:43] <iapx8088> ok
[07:44] <iapx8088> I'm fighting with pbuilder
[07:44] <iapx8088> I did create something, but it's wrong.
[07:44] <iapx8088> how to start from beginning
[07:44] <LaserJock> oh that's much more fun then listening to me rant about email ;-)
[07:45] <iapx8088> I mean, how to remove the actual pbuilder envirnment
[07:45] <bddebian>  sudo pbuilder create --distribution edgy --override-config ?
[07:45] <LaserJock> iapx8088: look in /cache/pbuilder/
[07:45] <iapx8088> E: No such script: /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/edgy
[07:45] <LaserJock> and see if there is a base.tgz
[07:45] <iapx8088> ok
[07:45] <LaserJock> oh
[07:45] <LaserJock> are you doing this on dapper?
[07:46] <iapx8088> yeah
[07:46] <LaserJock> you need to install edgy's deboostrap
[07:46] <iapx8088> I need that to review a package that uses debhelper from edgy
[07:46] <iapx8088> I see
[07:48] <iapx8088> O i remember I read that in packagin basic
[07:48] <LaserJock> http://librarian.launchpad.net/3046376/debootstrap_0.3.3.0ubuntu3_all.deb
[07:49] <iapx8088> I got it
[07:49] <iapx8088> it's rolling
[07:49] <iapx8088> thanks LaserJock
[07:51] <LaserJock> np
[08:03] <Buzz_Lightyear> Hi
[08:04] <Buzz_Lightyear> I have some Questions about ubuntu linux with some Hardware ... someones here who can help or think he knows a lot of ?
[08:04] <iapx8088> Buzz_Lightyear,  the channel is #ubuntu
[08:05] <Buzz_Lightyear> Thanks a lot
[08:05] <Buzz_Lightyear> :)
[08:10] <iapx8088> I suppose it's normal that pbuider <anything> needs root privileges?
[08:11] <iapx8088> yes it is
[08:20] <iapx8088> omg
[08:20] <iapx8088> pbuilder is failing inside the chroot, but it's not the package, it's the dependencies
[08:23] <iapx8088> maybe python cairo is broken, my pbuilder works with my package
[08:23] <iapx8088> (spice)
[08:57] <iapx8088> mmh
[08:57] <iapx8088> Adri2000,
[08:57] <iapx8088> I was reviewing your package
[08:58] <Adri2000> iapx8088: giplet ?
[08:58] <iapx8088> I have an edgy pbuilder now, and I suppose it works, because it builds succesfully my spice deb
[08:58] <iapx8088> yeah
[08:58] <Sp4rKy> hi
[08:59] <Adri2000> iapx8088: Gloubiboulga has already uploaded it ;)
[08:59] <Sp4rKy> i need someone who really know REVU building process
[08:59] <Sp4rKy> (how pbuilder is set for permits MOTU building their packages without sudo)
[08:59] <iapx8088> Adri2000,  fine, but I discovered something
[08:59] <iapx8088> Sp4rKy, it's in the guide
[09:00] <iapx8088> Sp4rKy,  you mean this? http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/software/pbuilder-doc/pbuilder-doc.html#nonrootchroot
[09:02] <iapx8088> Adri2000, I'm happy it's already up, but I had a problem with it.  And I suppose it's not my fault or pbuilder one, it works for another package
[09:02] <iapx8088> Adri2000,  look http://pastebin.com/790763 maybe you can tell me what's wrong with my pbuilder.
[09:03] <iapx8088> probably it's a problem o'mine
[09:04] <Gloubiboulga> looks like a problem with a package in the archive
[09:05] <Gloubiboulga> try to update your pbuilder
[09:05] <iapx8088> already did.
[09:06] <iapx8088> let's try again
[09:06] <seaLne> iapx8088: i have that aswell, the new python packages were supposed to fix it but haven't for me
[09:06] <Sp4rKy> iapx8088: mhhh, the pbuilderrc using by MOTU doesn't seems have a special user
[09:06] <Sp4rKy> oups
[09:06] <Sp4rKy> # the username and ID used by pbuilder, inside chroot. Needs fakeroot, really
[09:06] <Sp4rKy> BUILDUSERID=1234
[09:06] <Sp4rKy> :/
[09:07] <iapx8088> seaLne, I see, so it's not my fault or Adri2000 one, good
[09:07] <iapx8088> mhmm
[09:07] <iapx8088> to update it suffices sudo pbulilder update or I am missing something
[09:07] <seaLne> not really my laptop is useless and i'm off to a conference tommorow :(
[09:08] <iapx8088> seaLne, that'not good
[09:08] <LaserJock> Sp4rKy: pbuilder is run with sudo on revu
[09:08] <Sp4rKy> iapx8088: are you sure revu use way desribes in the link ?
[09:08] <Sp4rKy> rootstrap etc ...
[09:09] <seaLne> and i really didn't have time for a reinstall but i guess its to be expected everyso often with edgy
[09:09] <iapx8088> Sp4rKy, no I am not. Did you see in motu?
[09:09] <LaserJock> Sp4rKy: but the /etc/sudoers file limits people to *only* pbuilder unless they are a revu admin
[09:10] <Sp4rKy> LaserJock: hmmm k
[09:10] <seaLne> iapx8088: try deleting your pbuilder cache and recreating it, the python problem is with upgrades
[09:10] <iapx8088> ok
[09:10] <Sp4rKy> LaserJock: so must i install user-mode-linux
[09:10] <Sp4rKy> or just add users in /etc/sudoers
[09:10] <Sp4rKy> and limit access to pbuilder command ?
[09:11] <iapx8088> seaLne, I'm on the last update
[09:13] <LaserJock> Sp4rKy: /etc/sudoers
[09:13] <Sp4rKy> k
[09:14] <iapx8088> mmh
[09:15] <iapx8088> a question: when I build my package (spice) I use dpkg-buildpackage or debuild and it gets signed.
[09:15] <iapx8088> but I want to build it using edgy pbuilder (and it works) but of course it doesn't get signed.
[09:15] <tseng> pbuilder doesnt build source-only, either
[09:15] <tseng> so you would need to build it anyway
[09:16] <tseng> pbuilder to test
[09:16] <iapx8088> ok
[09:16] <tseng> dpkg-buildpackage -S (-sa) -rfakeroot to upload
[09:16] <tseng> if its the first upload of a new orig tarball you need -sa
[09:16] <seaLne> or debuild -S -sa is slightly easier
[09:17] <seaLne> less typing :)
[09:17] <tseng> meh
[09:17] <iapx8088> clear. But I have a Dapper, and it means that the source package will come out from a dapper, not an edgy (but I believe it doesn't matter)
[09:17] <tseng> command history for the win
[09:17] <tseng> the changelog is what matters
[09:17] <iapx8088> ok
[09:17] <tseng> if it targets dapper or edgy
[09:18] <iapx8088> and I am supposed to do things for edgy right?
[09:18] <iapx8088> It's pointless to build for dapper I wonder
[09:19] <iapx8088> I discovered an error in my package :D
[09:19] <iapx8088> I had dapper in my changelog :'(
[09:19] <LaserJock> Sp4rKy: I think you can do something like  <user>   ALL = /usr/sbin/pbuilder
[09:19] <Goshawk> hi all, iapx8088: are you able to build it
[09:19] <Goshawk> ?
[09:19] <iapx8088> yes, it's fine
[09:20] <iapx8088> and has a single warning in lintian
[09:20] <Goshawk> iapx8088: are you saying that you compiled a gcc 4.0 on dapper with gdc support?
[09:20] <iapx8088> gcc?
[09:20] <iapx8088> Goshawk,  it's not gcc
[09:20] <Goshawk> ah! ok understood
[09:21] <Goshawk> so you compiled dmd, isn't it?
[09:21] <iapx8088> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3154
[09:21] <iapx8088> this
[09:21] <Goshawk> ah ma sei italiano!
[09:21] <iapx8088> sisi piacere giuseppe
[09:24] <Goshawk> scusa, ma qual  la relazione tra D e spice?
[09:25] <iapx8088> D?
[09:25] <iapx8088> dapper?
[09:26] <Goshawk> scusa! ho sbagliato canale
[09:26] <iapx8088> :D
[09:26] <Goshawk> credevo di essere in un altro canale
[09:26] <iapx8088> trank
[09:27] <Goshawk> sorry for everybody i thought i was in another channel
[09:28] <iapx8088> Goshawk, are you a reviewer?
[09:28] <Goshawk> iapx8088: no i'm a simple uploader
[09:28] <iapx8088> what did you upload?
[09:29] <iapx8088> you could start to review my package and I could start to review yours.
[09:29] <iapx8088> (not today, I'm very tired)
[09:29] <Goshawk> iapx8088: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2914
[09:29] <iapx8088> Goshawk, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3154
[09:30] <Goshawk> ah! i didn't know that we could do this
[09:30] <iapx8088> when you have some spare time
[09:30] <iapx8088> Goshawk, I believe everyone should try to review a package (or not?)
[09:30] <tseng> you can help eachother spot bugs
[09:30] <tseng> but you cant advocate them for upload
[09:30] <Goshawk> no i know that an ubuntu developer should look for it
[09:31] <Goshawk> yep tseng rules
[09:31] <tseng> a developer must look at it
[09:31] <tseng> but there is no reason you cant check each other
[09:31] <pianoboy3333> Anyone know how to make a deb of mutagen? The python tagging module? Can anyone tell me how to do it myself?
[09:31] <iapx8088> haa I see
[09:31] <iapx8088> ok
[09:35] <iapx8088> Goshawk, it seems basically good to me, I've got a single warning,  later I'll see if everything is in the right place
[09:35] <Goshawk> thanks
[09:35] <Sp4rKy> LaserJock: i'm editing /etc/sudoers
[09:35] <seaLne> with sudo visudo?
[09:35] <LaserJock> pianoboy3333: I think it is already in the repos
[09:35] <Sp4rKy> what user should be used for sudo commands ?
[09:36] <Sp4rKy> PACKAGERS       localhost = (MYUSER) PACKAGING
[09:36] <Sp4rKy> what must i put in place of MYUSER ?
[09:36] <seaLne> the user that will be sudoing
[09:36] <tseng> Sp4rKy, presumably
[09:36] <iapx8088> mhm
[09:36] <tseng> maxence rather
[09:37] <iapx8088> hey guys, I'm uploading the source too this time (in spice). If it's not going to in the depos, at least it will shorten the mileage of someone saying me what's wrong :d
[09:37] <Sp4rKy> so i could not set this ?
[09:37] <Sp4rKy> just write PACKAGERS       localhost = PACKAGING
[09:38] <pianoboy3333> LaserJock: it's an old version, 1.6 in edgy
[09:38] <LaserJock> pianoboy3333: do you know what version Debian has?
[09:39] <LaserJock> Sp4rKy: I'm nut sure what exactly you are doing
[09:39] <LaserJock> you want everybody in PACKAGERS to be able to use pbuilder, is that right?
[09:40] <pianoboy3333> LaserJock: nope.... sorry, I can check though
[09:40] <Sp4rKy> LaserJock: exactly
[09:40] <pianoboy3333> LaserJock: 1.6
[09:41] <iapx8088> I surely hate dput
[09:41] <tseng> dput couldnt be any easier
[09:41] <pianoboy3333> LaserJock: and now I installed 1.7 with it's setup.py script... and then compiz tried to install mutagen 1.6, and now I can't remove python-mutagen.... how do I force remove a package?
[09:42] <iapx8088> tseng, no my fault, i alway forgot that it take minutes before showing up
[09:42] <tseng> right you have to wait for cron
[09:43] <LaserJock> Sp4rKy: PACKAGERS  ALL = /usr/sbin/pbuilder should work
[09:44] <Sp4rKy> ok
[09:44] <Sp4rKy> thx
[09:44] <iapx8088> ok now it's fine
[09:44] <Sp4rKy> (/usr/bin/pbuilder defined in PACKAGING meta)
[09:44] <iapx8088> ok guys, have a nice time, and see ya tomorronw
[09:44] <Sp4rKy> 'cause some other packaging software (like revu-tools) need sudo :)
[09:44] <Lutin> Sp4rKy, /usr/sbin/pbuilder
[09:46] <Sp4rKy> yep Lutin :D
[09:46] <Lutin> ;)
[09:47] <Sp4rKy> LaserJock: user always have to call sudo pbuilder ... and not only pbuilder ...
[09:47] <Sp4rKy> why ?
[09:47] <Sp4rKy> (i use the same .pbuilderrc than REVU)
[09:48] <LaserJock> you sure
[09:48] <LaserJock> ?
[09:49] <Sp4rKy> yes
[09:49] <LaserJock> it's run with sudo on revu
[09:50] <Sp4rKy> really
[09:50] <LaserJock> yep
[09:50] <Sp4rKy> gloubiboulga said me MOTU doesn't need to run sudo pbuilder *** but only pbuilder ***
[09:50] <Sp4rKy> this is wrong ?
[09:50] <LaserJock> no
[09:50] <LaserJock> :-)
[09:51] <Sp4rKy> :/
[09:51] <LaserJock> revu has pbuilder wrapper scripts
[09:51] <LaserJock> so pbuilder-edgy uses an edgy pbuilder, etc.
[09:51] <Sp4rKy> k
[09:51] <LaserJock> inside that wrapper is a sudo pbuilder
[09:51] <Sp4rKy> ok
[09:51] <LaserJock> so when you run it
[09:52] <LaserJock> you run pbuilder-edgy
[09:52] <LaserJock> but it's really running sudo pbuilder
[09:52] <Sp4rKy> ok LaserJock
[09:52] <Sp4rKy> do you think it's available to get this wrapper ?
[09:52] <LaserJock> hehe, yeah
[09:52] <LaserJock> you have it on your computer
[09:52] <Sp4rKy> what is it ?
[09:53] <LaserJock>  /usr/share/doc/pbuilder/examples/pbuilder-distribution.sh
[09:54] <Sp4rKy> thx LaserJock :)
[09:54] <Sp4rKy> you really help me :D
[09:54] <imbrandon> superm1: ping
[09:54] <imbrandon> heya LaserJock
[09:55] <LaserJock> Sp4rKy: np
[09:55] <LaserJock> hola imbrandon
[09:58] <imbrandon> LaserJock: do you ever see superm1 active?
[09:58] <beligum> when is the next revu day?
[09:59] <beligum> hmm, sorry, just read the topic
[09:59] <beligum> I guess today?
[10:00] <Sp4rKy> LaserJock: can i again disturb you ?
[10:01] <LaserJock> heh
[10:01] <LaserJock> sure
[10:01] <LaserJock> imbrandon: occasionally
[10:01] <LaserJock> beligum: it was Monday
[10:01] <beligum> oh, ic
[10:02] <LaserJock> but we review packages everyday
[10:02] <LaserJock> we just try to do more on REVU Days
[10:02] <beligum> Anyone care to review screenkast ?
[10:02] <imbrandon> LaserJock: if you see him before i do, can you tell him to read up in the maint guide about versioning heh all his packages he asked me to revu are mis-versioned
[10:03] <imbrandon> mostly the -XubuntuX part
[10:03] <Sp4rKy> LaserJock: i'm working on a parrallel pbuilder processing
[10:03] <LaserJock> imbrandon: k
[10:03] <imbrandon> liek a new package to ubuntu was versioned 0.20 upstream and he versioned it 0.20-3ubuntu3 for a reason i cannot tell
[10:03] <imbrandon> hehe
[10:03] <LaserJock> heh
[10:04] <imbrandon> other than that looks like he's getting it down pat
[10:04] <Sp4rKy> LaserJock: do you have already try to do this ?
[10:04] <imbrandon> some other mirnor stuff i'll catch up with him on later but i just never seem to be on at the same time as him ;)
[10:05] <LaserJock> Sp4rKy: I'm not quite sure what you mean?
[10:05] <Sp4rKy> LaserJock: i would that :
[10:05] <Sp4rKy> authorized packagers can connect with ssh to mi dedicated server
[10:06] <Sp4rKy> they can use pbuilder software for packaging
[10:06] <Sp4rKy> but, when they run pbuilder, it should use all connected client to share compilation between them
[10:07] <Sp4rKy> understand ?
[10:07] <crimsun> I don't think you want that if your connected clients are over 14.4 kbps dialup
[10:07] <Sp4rKy> of course :)
[10:08] <Sp4rKy> and all Ubuntu users should be able to help Ubuntu community in a new passive way
[10:08] <imbrandon> Sp4rKy: your talking about a distcc setup and thats is realy hackish for pbuilder to use AND only works on lan connected systesm ( becouse of the ammount of data and the systesm ahve to have a constant connection )
[10:09] <ajmitch> and it breaks with a lot of packages
[10:09] <imbrandon> exactly
[10:09] <LaserJock> what might be a cool idea is pbuilder-ssh
[10:09] <imbrandon> heya ajmitch crimsun
[10:09] <Sp4rKy> LaserJock (and others) , the exact way isn't already decided
[10:10] <Sp4rKy> i'm interesting on this project
[10:10] <Sp4rKy> and try find the better way
[10:10] <ajmitch> hello
[10:10] <LaserJock> better way to do what?
[10:10] <LaserJock> you want to make a pbuilder farm for people to build packages on?
[10:11] <imbrandon> Sp4rKy: imho there isnt that many packages that warent a parrell setup
[10:11] <imbrandon> LaserJock: he is wanting to make like a seta@home for pbuilder , people dedicate cpu cycles
[10:11] <Nafallo> one way to solve slow compiles :-)
[10:12] <imbrandon> hehe
[10:12] <LaserJock> imbrandon: yikes
[10:12] <imbrandon> heh
[10:12] <Sp4rKy> 22:10 < LaserJock> you want to make a pbuilder farm for people to build packages on?
[10:12] <Sp4rKy> 22:10 < LaserJock> you want to make a pbuilder farm for people to build packages on? <== exactly
[10:13] <Nafallo> hmm
[10:13] <ajmitch> compilation is not easily parallelised :)
[10:13] <Sp4rKy> software like distcc should works at the time of you past CC=distcc option to make
[10:13] <LaserJock> well, but that's different than @home style thing
[10:13] <Sp4rKy> ajmitch: i've not said it's easy
[10:13] <Nafallo> I think you would be better off with identical buildds and a round-robin dns then :-)
[10:13] <LaserJock> yeah
[10:13] <imbrandon> Sp4rKy: distcc also breaks alot of packages too
[10:13] <Sp4rKy> imbrandon: maybe
[10:14] <Sp4rKy> if you know some others solutions, why not
[10:14] <LaserJock> like we have been saying
[10:14] <LaserJock> it's probably better to have a computer, or series of computers
[10:14] <imbrandon> as ajmitch complilation isnt easily parllelized
[10:14] <Sp4rKy> Nafallo: :/ this way doesn't split compilation (and so packaging time will always be the same)
[10:14] <ajmitch> far too much information is needed to be transferred
[10:15] <Nafallo> Sp4rKy: so? the packages will atleast not break :-)
[10:15] <LaserJock> better slow than not at all
[10:15] <LaserJock> I think pbuilder-ssh would be much better
[10:15] <Nafallo> Sp4rKy: look at how Ubuntu compile there stuff etc... :-)
[10:15] <imbrandon> LaserJock: remid me that next time i compile kdebase on my 800mhz ppc ;)
[10:15] <imbrandon> remind*
[10:15] <imbrandon> hehe
[10:16] <ajmitch> LaserJock: even just uploading the source would take an age
[10:16] <LaserJock> for small packages it might be ok
[10:16] <imbrandon> really even with distcc there comes a point where its hurting to add more computers rather than helping becouse of the transfer / checksum times
[10:16] <LaserJock> somebody's got to do it sometime
[10:16] <Sp4rKy> LaserJock: do you have any doc on pbuilder-ssh
[10:17] <Sp4rKy> aybe exists some better software for this
[10:18] <LaserJock> http://mentors.debian.net/cgi-bin/sponsor-pkglist?action=details;package=pbuilder-ssh
[10:18] <ajmitch> imbrandon: usually I found that I didn't get much/any speedup by using my slow boxes
[10:18] <imbrandon> DAC and a build queue ;)
[10:18] <ajmitch> and they could slow things down
[10:18] <imbrandon> ajmitch: yea exactly
[10:18] <ajmitch> I haven't used distcc for awhile :)
[10:19] <imbrandon> ajmitch: i get a LITTLE speed when i use two amd64 about the same speed but i've been trying to find a good way to use all 8 xboxes ( running gentoo ) to no avail
[10:20] <imbrandon> but either way with pbuilder it sucks becouse you have to hack the packages and chroots
[10:20] <ajmitch> imbrandon: I'm not that rich ;)
[10:20] <imbrandon> hahah i got most of my xboxes free or cheap that were broke and "fixed" them with a linux install ;)
[10:21] <imbrandon> only one i use ( well my son uses ) to play games hehe
[10:21] <imbrandon> and even it runs linux / XBMC
[10:21] <Nafallo> hmm
[10:21] <Sp4rKy> LaserJock: pbuilder-ssh isn't what i want
[10:22] <Nafallo> I hope the amd64 x2 I just bought will do for a while :-)
[10:22] <Sp4rKy> i want SHARE/split building/compiling process
[10:22] <ajmitch> Nafallo: mine manages alright
[10:22] <imbrandon> Sp4rKy: what you want dosent exist ( yet ) you will have to create it is what we're saying
[10:22] <ajmitch> Sp4rKy: good luck, you'll need a lot of it
[10:22] <Nafallo> ajmitch: nice. both x86 and x86_64? :-)
[10:22] <ajmitch> Nafallo: hm?
[10:22] <Nafallo> ajmitch: you compile both on it? :-)
[10:23] <ajmitch> of course
[10:23] <ajmitch> separate pbuilder base tarballs
[10:23] <ajmitch> very easy
[10:23] <imbrandon> ;)
[10:23] <Nafallo> zul: amd64 xen-host can have both i386 and amd64 guests? :-)
[10:23] <Nafallo> ajmitch: nice :-)
[10:24] <imbrandon> Nafallo: you can have 32bit userland with a 64bit kernel afaik
[10:24] <imbrandon> ( xen wise )
[10:24] <ajmitch> yes that should be quite possible
[10:24] <ajmitch> I haven't setup xen on the amd64 yet since I'm waiting for the nvidia drivers :)
[10:24] <imbrandon> i've always just done it chroots but that should work ok
[10:24] <Nafallo> nice. I feel I'll have to read up on XEN :-)
[10:24] <ajmitch> and I don't like it rebooting
[10:25] <Sp4rKy> you really think there is no way at all for spit compilation process
[10:25] <ajmitch> Sp4rKy: nope, not really in the way you want
[10:25] <Sp4rKy> whereas a lot a this kind of software exists ...
[10:25] <imbrandon> Nafallo: zul has a pretty simple wiki page on getting it up and runng fairly simple
[10:25] <ajmitch> Nafallo: it's really easy to setup xen domains
[10:26] <imbrandon> i had it setup before i wiped this drive
[10:26] <ajmitch> imbrandon: using zul's packages?
[10:26] <Nafallo> oki, will play with it when the hardware has arrived and are installed then :-)
[10:26] <Sp4rKy> ajmitch: i want speed up building process, i think the best way to do that is speed up compilation part, but maybe other optimization which use parrallel computing should work
[10:26] <imbrandon> ajmitch: yea
[10:27] <imbrandon> Sp4rKy: ..... your barking up the wrong tree bud
[10:27] <ajmitch> Sp4rKy: maybe you could write a compiler to do so :)
[10:29] <imbrandon> ... but can you make a beowolf cluster out of them ?
[10:29] <ajmitch> heh
[10:29] <ajmitch> bad imbrandon ;)
[10:29] <imbrandon> heh
[10:29] <ajmitch> Nafallo: how much RAM are you getting?
[10:30] <Nafallo> Corsair TWIN2X1024-5400C4 XMS2-5400 2x512MB (tot. 1GB) DDR2 PC5300 4-4-4-12 667MHz with Heatsink 240pin
[10:30] <Nafallo> :-)
[10:30] <ajmitch> ah, only 1GB
[10:30] <ajmitch> you'll find yourself wanting more real fast
[10:30] <imbrandon> nice, makes my poor lil amd64 3400+ seem like a childs toy
[10:31] <Nafallo> I only have 5k SEK to spend :-)
[10:31] <ajmitch> makes my poor little 4200+ x2 seem like a toy ;)
[10:31] <Sp4rKy> imbrandon: i've just discovered beowolf some days ago
[10:31] <imbrandon> yea i only have 1 gig in my amd 64 and it eats it up fast
[10:31] <ajmitch> I had 1GB in my old box, which is why I went for 4GB this time
[10:31] <imbrandon> *64 eat ram like its candy
[10:31] <LaserJock> I think we have a couple beowolf clusters here
[10:32] <Nafallo> well, ogre.magicalforest.se is what I have now :-)
[10:32] <LaserJock> not positive about that
[10:32] <LaserJock> imbrandon: won't do you much good
[10:32] <imbrandon> hehe
[10:32] <imbrandon> no accounts on the cluster even as a grad ?
[10:32] <LaserJock> oh no, I have accounts :-)
[10:33] <imbrandon> ;)
[10:33] <LaserJock> you just won't find much interesting on them
[10:33] <imbrandon> ahh /me just wants to play on a "real" cluster sometime
[10:34] <imbrandon> i have set them up here before and got them "working" but i cant find a good use for them in the stuff i do
[10:34] <imbrandon> well not that /works/
[10:34] <imbrandon> dunno, when they change the topic in -devel probably
[10:34] <zul> Nafallo: i dont have an amd64 so im not sure
[10:34] <ajmitch> sigh
[10:34] <ajmitch> zul!
[10:35] <imbrandon> heya zul ;)
[10:35] <zul> ajmitch: you might have to wait a bit longer because ive been asked to port it to 2.6.17
[10:35] <ajmitch> zul: you rely on poor suckers like us to test :)
[10:35] <ajmitch> zul: so I saw
[10:35] <zul> ajmitch: meh..
[10:35] <Nafallo> zul: hi! :-) will tell you after I've started playing with my hardware then :-)
[10:35] <zul> ok
[10:35] <ajmitch> zul: anything we can help with?
[10:35] <LaserJock> imbrandon: well we have 2 or so clusters of 10-15 nodes
[10:35] <imbrandon> nice
[10:35] <zul> ajmitch: not really if you have ported xen before ;)
[10:36] <LaserJock> imbrandon: but we don't really use them for anything special
[10:36] <ajmitch> zul: I'm not that insane
[10:36] <zul> ajmitch: apparently i am
[10:36] <LaserJock> imbrandon: we just run more of the same stuff ;-)
[10:36] <ajmitch> zul: I thought you were just waiting on kernel-package to get .18?
[10:36] <ajmitch> elmo wants the kernels to be strictly in sync?
[10:36] <zul> 2.6.17 i am told
[10:36] <zul> yep
[10:36] <ajmitch> oh well :)
[10:36] <ajmitch> have fun
[10:36] <imbrandon> LaserJock: i have openmosix running on the xboxes but they just sit there idle looking good on my "geek resume" becouse i dunno what to use them for LOL
[10:36] <zul> thanks i will
[10:37] <imbrandon> LaserJock: @home projects is all that runs on them , litterly
[10:37] <imbrandon> heh
[10:37] <LaserJock> imbrandon: that's the thing, we have clusters but we can't run a program on more than one node at a time
[10:37] <imbrandon> wow
[10:37] <LaserJock> imbrandon: so we have 10 nodes so we can run 10 jobs
[10:37] <imbrandon> whats the point then ?
[10:38] <LaserJock> you can distribute computational jobs over the cluster
[10:38] <LaserJock> and you log into 1 computer
[10:38] <imbrandon> ohh yea , ok
[10:38] <imbrandon> yea thats how openmosix works
[10:38] <LaserJock> but it's not really distributed computing
[10:39] <imbrandon> well atleaste how i understand it
[10:39] <imbrandon> right unless its a program writen to ..... hell i dont know really, i just toy with them
[10:39] <imbrandon> wish i knew more
[10:39] <imbrandon> heh
[10:39] <LaserJock> right
[10:39] <LaserJock> we have *no* software that can do that
[10:40] <LaserJock> our original cluster was 15 AMD 1800+ boxes
[10:40] <imbrandon> heh yea from what i've seen there isnt much out there
[10:40] <imbrandon> that is
[10:40] <LaserJock> but what was nice is that the software we run has a hefty license fee
[10:41] <imbrandon> heh
[10:41] <LaserJock> otherwise I would have just run jobs on my computer since it was faster
[10:41] <imbrandon> ;)
[10:41] <LaserJock> but then that cluster overheated and dies
[10:41] <LaserJock> *died
[10:41] <imbrandon> lol
[10:41] <LaserJock> so we got another one
[10:41] <LaserJock> and then there is another one that is like 10 AMD64s
[10:42] <imbrandon> 3d rendering is the only thing i can see myself doing on a cluster
[10:42] <imbrandon> and compiling if there was a good solution to use all processors/ram
[10:42] <imbrandon> but alas we just had that discussion ;)
[10:43] <imbrandon> and i dont know enough about 3d rendering to make anything worth putting on a cluster to render ;)
[10:43] <imbrandon> make a 10000000000x100000000000 png of the stargate hehe
[10:44] <LaserJock> well, all we do is computational chemistry
[10:44] <imbrandon> hrm what codec/player plays H.264 encoded videos ?
[10:45] <imbrandon> ( on linux/ubuntu )
[10:46] <imbrandon> or if RMS had his way GNU/KDE/Gnome/vim/emacs/mplayer/Amarok/Linux
[10:46] <ajmitch> heathen!!
[10:46] <ajmitch> you missed one
[10:46] <imbrandon> hah what one ?
[10:46] <ajmitch> X
[10:46] <ajmitch> but that's not GPL
[10:46] <imbrandon> ahh yes
[10:46] <imbrandon> hehe
[10:47] <micahcowan> imbrandon, and don't forget to explicitly pronounce each slash.
[10:47] <imbrandon> ok well i'm off to the store to look at some new gadgets bbiab
[10:47] <imbrandon> micahcowan: haha yea
[10:48] <imbrandon> but GNU is always top billing even though its the TOOL that Linux uses ;) *rolls eyes*
[10:48] <imbrandon> bbiab
[10:48] <ajmitch> no no
[10:48] <ajmitch> GNU is the operating system
[10:49] <ajmitch> GNU/Linux is the variant :)
[10:49] <imbrandon> heh
[10:49] <ajmitch> an inferior second cousin, so to speak ;)
[10:49] <imbrandon> i wish someone would take the time to port all BSD tools to the linux kernel just to shut RMS up sometimes
[10:50] <imbrandon> i mean when i install cygwin on windows it doesnt make it GNU/Windows but somehow its GNU/Bsd or GNU/Linux
[10:50] <ajmitch> demanding users on the -devel list...
[10:50] <imbrandon> mah
[10:52] <ajmitch> :)
[10:57] <micahcowan> imbrandon, IIRC, someone already did that. It was called LSD :)
[10:58] <trappist> point me in the right direction if this isn't the place to ask, but I can't connect to bazaar.launchpad.net with bzr though my ssh key is on lp.  something broken?
[10:58] <trappist> says Permission denied (publickey)
[10:58] <Marcelo31> #ubuntu-br
[10:58] <trappist> Marcelo31: that wasn't for me, was it?
[10:59] <zul> heh demanding users here too :)
[10:59] <crimsun> trappist: what syntax are you using?
[10:59] <Marcelo31> [gnomefreak] : I'm sorry
[10:59] <Marcelo31> no I'm sorry
[10:59] <gnomefreak> you are?
[11:00] <Marcelo31> excuse me , i have got mistake
[11:01] <trappist> crimsun: bzr checkout sftp://jrhakr@bazaar.launchpad.net/... which I had just pasted from a wiki page, when it probably wants me to connect as trappist, not jrhakr
[11:01] <trappist> crimsun: yeah, just confirmed that.
[11:08] <carthik> Is it okay if I assign bugs in universe packages to the MOTU team? May I subscribe the team? What do you folks prefer generally?
[11:08] <dholbach> subscribing is cool
[11:09] <dholbach> that way we can still assign it to a person who's willing to fix it
[11:09] <carthik> alrighty
[11:10] <crimsun> assigning right off the bat is frowned upon.
[11:10] <crimsun> (hence my earlier comment regarding ubuntu-audio)
[11:13] <dholbach> in desktop land we assign to ubuntu-desktop - in general I don't think it's "really bad" to do assign vs subscribe
[11:15] <crimsun> I'm certainly just one person, but I find it extremely annoying to have stuff assigned to me if I didn't explicitly request it or do it myself.
[11:17] <micahcowan> I think it's usually enough to make sure it gets to the right package... if someone is interested in fixing issues with that package, they'll have themselves subscribed to relevant bugs.
[11:24] <carthik> crimsun, I did not want to annoy anyone else today, and so asked :)
[11:42] <LaserJock> who did the scipy merge in edgy?
[11:42] <Fujitsu> Hm.
[11:42] <Fujitsu> I was going to do that.
[11:43] <Fujitsu> Upstream just released a version which works with python 2.5.
[11:43] <Bassetts> I would like to help out with packaging, can i have some pointers where to start?
[11:44] <LaserJock> arggg, scipy and scipy-core are empty in edgy!!
[11:44] <Fujitsu> Are they?
[11:44] <Fujitsu> I was about to ask about scipy.
[11:44] <LaserJock> yeah, I have a meeting with my boss
[11:44] <LaserJock> and I can't analyze my data
[11:44] <LaserJock> :(
[11:44] <Fujitsu> Upstream released a new version 8 hours ago... Works with python 2.5.
[11:44] <Fujitsu> Is it acceptable to deviate from Debian like this, this was holding back my merge.
[11:46] <LaserJock> what deviation?
[11:46] <Fujitsu> A new upstream version.
[11:47] <Bassetts> anyone?
[11:47] <Fujitsu> 1.0rc1 vs. 1.0b5-1.
[11:47] <Fujitsu> (this is numpy, which the new scipy needs)
[11:47] <carthik> Bassetts, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU and the pacakging guide at doc.ubuntu.com are good starting points.
[11:48] <Bassetts> hey carthik
[11:49] <Plug> hmmm
[11:49] <Plug> so moving libdir breaks where the pppd plugin is put
[11:51] <Bassetts> carthik, i read your blog all the time, thank you very much, you are actually the reason i started using ubuntu =)
[11:51] <carthik> Bassetts, great! I find purpose in life at last ;)
[11:51] <carthik> thanks a lot for letting me know. :)
[11:51] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: I can't believ scipy is empty ?!?
[11:51] <Bassetts> =) thanks for getting me away from windows
[11:52] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, who knows... My new one isn't :)
[11:52] <Fujitsu> I don't think....
[11:52] <LaserJock> do a dpkg -c on the .deb
[11:53] <ajmitch> Plug: shawarma had some other changes related to that, the last debdiff on revu should help
[11:53] <Fujitsu> Mine's got a billion-jillion shared objects...
[11:53] <Fujitsu> (but this is a new one)
[11:53] <Fujitsu> Erm, and some C++ sources. That's rather odd.
[11:54] <ajmitch> http://revu.tauware.de/diff.py?upid1=3190&upid2=3192
[11:54] <Fujitsu> There should /not/ be C++ sources in site-packages, should there?
[11:54] <Plug> the problem I have here is I'm not up on scratch on things like shared libraries
[11:54] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: sounds like you broke it :)
[11:54] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, I didn't. It's straight from Debian.
[11:55] <ajmitch> Plug: shawarma used LIBEXECDIR to place it
[11:55] <LaserJock> I would assume the debian package isn't empty
[11:55] <LaserJock> I'll have to check it when I get back from my meeting
[11:55] <Fujitsu> I'll check it...
[11:55] <Laser_away> bbiab
[11:55] <Fujitsu> OK.
[11:58] <Plug> hmmm
[11:58] <Plug> I"d used libexecdir too
[11:58] <Plug> so I'm not sure what the problem was :(
[12:01] <Fujitsu> Laser_away, 0.3.2-10 is indeed empty when built on Ubuntu:
[12:01] <Fujitsu> usage: [-v]  [-h]  [-d|--default]  [-s|--supported]  [-i|--installed]  [-r|--requested <version string>|<control file>] 
[12:02] <Fujitsu> Something's calling pyversions improperly, but the build isn't failing, it's just got nothing produced.
[12:05] <Plug> ajmitch: on your review, do you remember what the problem was specifically?  things going in /usr/lib - is that not allowed?
[12:07] <ajmitch> plugins which are used by programs shouldn't go there
[12:07] <ajmitch> they should live in dirs under /usr/lib
[12:09] <Fujitsu> :O
[12:09] <Fujitsu> The new version of numpy actually COMPILES with python 2.5... Yay :)